G30 2017-18: Oilers at Maple Leafs

The third round has been Death Valley for the Edmonton Oilers in recent summers. The club called out the names of Troy Hesketh, Cameron Abney, Ryan Martindale, Samu Perhonen, Travis Ewanyk, Jujhar Khaira, Daniil Zharkov, Bogdan Yakimov, Anton Slepyshev from 2009 to 2013. Nine men, Khaira and Slepyshev still pushing. It’s too soon to know, but Jujhar Khaira may be arriving as bona fide.

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LONG DECEMBER, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • December 2015: 3-0-0, goal differential +3
  • December 2016: 2-0-1, goal differential +3
  • December 2017: 2-1-0, goal differential +4

That was a smart victory last night in Montreal, gives December some early appeal. The goal differential is basically last night but the road has been more of a friend to this team than home ice this year. G4 2015 was a 4-3 overtime win over San Jose and a year later it was a 4-3 OT loss to Buffalo.

AFTER 29 GAMES, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers 15-16: 12-15-2, goal differential -12
  • Oilers 16-17: 14-11-4, goal differential +8
  • Oilers 17-18: 12-15-2, goal differential -11

This year’s Oilers are an exact match for the 2015-16 club (they won 31 games) and are six points behind last year’s team (they won 47). I think this team will land somewhere in between. 35 wins? G30 in 2015 saw Edmonton win 7-5 over the NY Rangers with many famous onlookers (including Glen Sather) and last year it was a loss, 3-2 in a Minnesota shootout.

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM DECEMBER

  • On the road to: Calgary (Expected: 0-0-1) (Actual: 1-0-0)
  • At home to: Philadelphia (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual: 0-1-0)
  • On the road to: Montreal, Toronto, Columbus (Expected 1-2-0) (Actual 1-0-0)
  • At home to: Nashville (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Minnesota (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: San Jose, St. Louis, Montreal (Expected 1-1-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Winnipeg (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Chicago, Winnipeg (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 5-6-2, 12 points in 13 games 
  • Current results: 2-1-0, four points in three games

I didn’t expect the Oilers to win last night, predicted just one win on the road trip. Another victory tonight would be manna from heaven for an organization that has managed very little traction through the first 29 games of the season.

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

  • Klefbom-Benning had the puck going the right way all night long. Went 18-11 in 15:10, and 4-3 in HD scoring chances. The pairing had 11 offensive zone faceoffs, 8 neutral and three in the defensive zone. Went 6-5 against Hudon-Plekanec-Gallagher.
  • Auvitu-Davidson went 16-15 together in 10:06 and 2-0 in GF. I thought both men played well, very mobile and moved the puck well most of the time. Went 6-8 against Hudon-Plekanec-Gallagher. .
  • Nurse-Russell went 13-20 in 16:01 together, 1-0 GF. Pairing spent 5:30 against Pacioretty-Danault-Byron, going 5-12, and 6-2 against Galchenyuk-Drouin-Shaw. Had a disastrous sequence where they were chasing 2009 style after a ghastly Zack Kassian turnover at the blue line (he’s been doing it too much). Russell had too many giveaways himself, needs to clean that up.
  • Laurent Brossoit stopped 22 of 24, .917.
  • Natural Stat Trick and NHL.com.

FORWARDS, LAST NIGHT

  • Maroon-Nuge-Cammalleri were 14-4 and 3-0 in HD scoring chances. Lots of good things from this line, I thought Maroon’s penalty was pretty much the only negative. Went 8-4 against Galchenyuk-Drouin-Shaw.
  • Lucic-McDavid-Puljujarvi were 17-13 and 7-1 in HD scoring chances. The trio had several sorties that involved creativity and deft passes. I thought JP scored in the first, that was a rocket. Plenty of promise on a night when the line accounted for five points and could have had several more. Went 6-10 against Hudon-Plekanec-Gallagher and 6-3 against Pacioretty-Danault-Byron. McDavid had some clean air last night and does seem to have more jump in his step, perhaps the effects of the flu are dissipating.
  • Khaira-Draisaitl-Strome went 7-9 and 2-0 GF. Khaira is ridiculous right now, he’s moving up the depth chart and posting offense pretty much every night. Line scored five points on the night. Went 3-3 against Deslauriers-Froese-Carr.
  • Walker-Letestu-Kassian got caved in possession but went 3-4 in HD scoring chances. It was one of those nights. Went 4-15 against Pacioretty-Danault-Byron, I wouldn’t run this line as is tonight. That’s the only change I see, although Nick Ellis could make his NHL debut in goal tonight.

KAILER YAMAMOTO

Kailer Yamamoto is off his pace of one year ago, I wanted to look into things and see if there were any trends. He isn’t scoring at the same levels during even strength or power play time and we’re going to arrive at 20 games (a reasonable sample size) soon. I think usage may be part of it (power-play numbers are way off, he has two PK points already, three points all of last year in the discipline) and it’s clear isn’t having the same success this year.

Often these things straighten themselves out, but it’s a concern and something to observe. Yamamoto is a big part of this team’s future, still expect he will finish his junior career with a flourish.

HUTCHINSON AND MRAZEK

Nick Kypreos and Elliotte Friedman had some Oilers items on the round table last night, Edmonton among several teams interested in Hutchinson and (according to Friedman) also looked at Mrazek. It tells us the Oilers are interested in upgrading at the position in-season, and some of the cap room that is available (I remain convinced it is far less than the dollar amount many are reporting) may be headed to a strong backup for Talbot. The auditions we saw on the opening night roster (Brossoit, Auvitu, Yamamoto, Caggiula, Khaira, et cetera) are separating and Peter Chiarelli may be poised to make a substantial move.

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  1. StixMalone says:

    Come on not another Vezina candidate…..argh

  2. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    If the oilers had a three on none I dunno if they’d score on macihenny tonight

  3. russ99 says:

    Great shift.

  4. Caller Zen says:

    McElhinney hiding horseshoes in his jockstrap

  5. Munny says:

    4th line in trouble

  6. hunter1909 says:

    Oilers goalie body language = crying and screaming in terror

  7. Munny says:

    Should be two penalties

  8. delooper says:

    I hate to say this. I don’t think I’ve said it before in my life, but the Leafs look like the better team.

  9. hunter1909 says:

    Wrong number 4

  10. Munny says:

    Yes!!

  11. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    A playoff team scores here?

  12. Gerta Rauss says:

    2 penalty calls at the same time

    Huge chance here

  13. Munny says:

    Do you throw 97 and 29 out together here?

  14. russ99 says:

    5×3 gotta score!

  15. GMB3 says:

    Munny:
    Do you throw 97 and 29 out together here?

    They’ve play on the same power play unit so I think you would

  16. Munny says:

    Munny:
    Do you throw 97 and 29 out together here?

    Yup.

  17. Munny says:

    Maybe shoot some?

  18. hunter1909 says:

    SCORE OR ELSE I’LL TURN THE GAME OFF

  19. hunter1909 says:

    They won’t score.

  20. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    Not scoring on this guy tonight

  21. flyfish1168 says:

    Pathetic PP. No one in position and ready to shoot.

  22. StixMalone says:

    Crowd the net ffs

  23. Pretendergast says:

    Fuck this

  24. Ice Sage says:

    I remember someone saying the Oilers should have signed / claimed McElhenny just to keep him from killing them 2 times a year…

  25. russ99 says:

    Have to make 10 passes before every shot. Maddening

  26. hunter1909 says:

    Oilers with TMac seem like a warm up team for Toronto.

    Was it like this when Detroit played San Jose in the playoffs?

  27. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    russ99:
    5×3 gotta score!

    Except… it’s the oilers…

  28. npanciroli says:

    McElhinney going super saiyan

  29. Ice Sage says:

    Not so special teams

  30. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    My god was that frustrating to watch

    Brutal

  31. Gerta Rauss says:

    ffs

    Is that 3 posts tonight..?

  32. hunter1909 says:

    flyfish1168:
    Pathetic PP. No one in position and ready to shoot.

    Oilers load the slot with 2 players who then try to make sure to keep out of the other guys way lol

  33. Munny says:

    Well they penetrated Ricki’s box over and over that period, but came away with no babies to show for their efforts.

  34. Confused says:

    5on 3 and we are still not shooting the puck.

  35. Jethro Tull says:

    Disgraceful. Static, no sense of urgency, no movement or even attempt to make plays.

    Is this the team that played last night?

    Toronto seemed happy to let us have the puck on that 5 on 3 and that’s worrying.

  36. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    Confused,

    That was as much a momentum killer as Brissoit letting in the first shot of the game.

  37. hunter1909 says:

    Guess who’s going to be Toronto’s bitch if they ever make the Finals in 4-5 seasons.

  38. GMB3 says:

    playoff game feel to this one don’t ya think

  39. Lowetide says:

    After Two

    1-0 Toronto (no scoring in the second period)
    Shots 25-18 Edmonton (18-7 EDM in the second)
    Corsi for 5×5 36-28 Edmonton (18-10 EDM in the second)

  40. GMB3 says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Disgraceful. Static, no sense of urgency, no movement or even attempt to make plays.

    Is this the team that played last night?

    Toronto seemed happy to let us have the puck on that 5 on 3 and that’s worrying.

    The no movement is mind boggling. We went after the wrong coach in 201(

  41. Ice Sage says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Disgraceful. Static, no sense of urgency, no movement or even attempt to make plays.

    Is this the team that played last night?

    Toronto seemed happy to let us have the puck on that 5 on 3 and that’s worrying.

    Nah, that’s just good coaching – Oilers well-known to love the periphery. With Lucic, Jesse, Maroon and now Jujhar, there’s no excuse on a 5 on 3 not to have a big-reaching force in the blue paint… le sigh

  42. Younger Oil says:

    Woodcroft needs to be let go yesterday.

  43. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lloyd B.: It was explained pretty clearly the first number of times you asked.

    You have exhausted us.Well me anyway, so I’ll try a new answer….

    McLellan is an idiot?

    I’m exhausting because I keep questioning a coaching decision that happens repeatedly>

    Give me a break – this entire community rehashes the same 4 things on a daily basis.

    Yes, that comment pissed me off.

  44. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Somehow, this team, with the best player in the NHL, can’t piss a drop on a pp, even on a 5v3… it’s embarrassing… someone NEEDS to be fired after this game… and his name starts with “Wood”…

  45. Confused says:

    No urgency!

    Todd has lost the room.

    Everyone not listening, no way he is preaching that crap.

  46. russ99 says:

    Connor not taking a shot when isolated is the most telling. Even if you don’t score, someone in the crease can clean up.

  47. Ice Sage says:

    Crazy Pedestrian:
    Somehow, this team, with the best player in the NHL, can’t piss a drop on a pp, even on a 5v3… it’s embarrassing… someone NEEDS to be fired after this game… and his name starts with “Wood”…

    No we love woodguy

  48. flyfish1168 says:

    hunter1909: Oilers load the slot with 2 players who then try to make sure to keep out of the other guys way lol

    those 2 players in the slot are useless if we can’t get a shot off for them to fish for rebounds

  49. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!:
    Confused,

    That was as much a momentum killer as Brissoit letting in the first shot of the game.

    And wouldn’t it be fitting, if that becomes the 1 and only goal scored in this game…

  50. OriginalPouzar says:

    That was a dominant period by the Oilers.

    There is only 1 reason why this game isn’t tied, actually, why the Oilers don’t have the lead – Curtis Mcelhinney.

    Should be a fun third period – hope they play like they did in the 2nd – all in the Leaf zone.

  51. Munny says:

    Well, we can’t say the reffing hasn’t been even-handed thus far.

  52. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Honestly, on the Oilers next PP ( if they get another one ), methinks McDavid should just ignore anything woodcraft says and write up his own power play… can’t be any worse… and it would show Tmac that they’ve tuned woodcroft out…

  53. oscarmike says:

    The oilers scored 6 goals yesterday. Give them a break, they don’t need to score for at least another game or so

  54. GMB3 says:

    Confused:
    No urgency!

    Todd has lost the room.

    Everyone not listening, no way he is preaching that crap.

    Looked urgent to me, just looks like a poorly drawn out PP.
    Kinger what are your thoughts on the PP?

  55. Jethro Tull says:

    Lowetide:
    After Two

    1-0 Toronto (no scoring in the second period)
    Shots 25-18 Edmonton (18-7 EDM in the second)
    Corsi for 5×5 36-28 Edmonton (18-10 EDM in the second)

    I hope the Oilers can hang on for the moral victory.

  56. Confused says:

    GMB3,

    No movement!

    No shooting.

    500 passes

  57. GMB3 says:

    russ99:
    Have to make 10 passes before every shot. Maddening

    Generally you try and draw the opposition out of position to create higher % chances. Are you one of those mongaloids who spends the entire game yelling “SHOOT! SHOOT!” ?

  58. JD_Sigh says:

    Jethro Tull: the moral victory

    They’ve already got one MV: At least our Zack isn’t Hyman!

  59. GMB3 says:

    Confused:
    GMB3,

    No movement!

    No shooting.

    500 passes

    No movement was bad, but you shouldn’t be blindly firing the puck on net. Too easy to give up possession wasting low % shots on a 5-3.

    You wanna keep the PKers out there as long as possible without a break or a change, just shooting everything on net makes it too easy. Similar logic to 3 on 3 in overtime

  60. GMB3 says:

    We needed to take 2 penalties there because if it’s 3-3 they probably score

  61. Munny says:

    Good call on Marner… Yes, I was yelling at the TV.

  62. Jethro Tull says:

    Refs trolling the Oilers PP hard.

  63. Munny says:

    Dear Gord how did McElhinny stop Lucic’s first one?

  64. Munny says:

    Fukkin iron. Again.

  65. LMHF#1 says:

    Lucic and Letestu spent so much of that PP neutralizing themselves. Such a waste of puck control.

  66. Surrey Oiler says:

    Time for a Leafs goal to put this one away

  67. OriginalPouzar says:

    Wow – what an entertaining first 8 minutes of the period.

  68. Munny says:

    Oilers have done everything this game but score.

  69. Ice Sage says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Wow – what an entertaining first 8 minutes of the period.

    Yep, Oilers pushing back hard. Good to see.

  70. Gerta Rauss says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Refs trolling the Oilers PP hard.

    The arena music guy scoring as well…”Cold as ice” buy Foreigner lol

  71. Gerta Rauss says:

    Munny:
    Fukkin iron. Again.

    4 but who’s counting

  72. flyfish1168 says:

    How many shots miss the net

  73. Munny says:

    Draisaitl line goes away from getting it deep.

  74. Munny says:

    Fuck me McIlhenny

  75. hunter1909 says:

    espn says its 1-0 Leafs with 8:00 left.

    Until its 1-1 I’ll hide behind the couch.

  76. Lloyd B. says:

    GMB3,

    Nope. Not even close.

  77. hunter1909 says:

    7:00 left

  78. Ice Sage says:

    hunter1909:
    espn says its 1-0 Leafs with 8:00 left.

    Until its 1-1 I’ll hide behind the couch.

    You’re missing an entertaining game – lots of effort by the Oil

  79. hunter1909 says:

    6:00 left

  80. flyfish1168 says:

    What is happening with JP?

  81. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    They seriously are going to lose from a goal scored against them on the first fucking shot… within the first 30 seconds… unbelievable…

  82. hunter1909 says:

    5:00 left

  83. nelson88 says:

    Put Drai back with McDavid.

    lots of zone time but his line isn’t getting many good looks.

  84. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    As I said Curtis will not be letting in a goal tonight.

  85. hunter1909 says:

    flyfish1168:
    What is happening with JP?

    Even though I can’t see the game, I’ll wager TMac’s benched him to preserve the loss

  86. Confused says:

    GMB3,

    If you do not shoot you do not get anyone out of position 5 on 3

  87. Lowetide says:

    Nice little move by Nurse there.

  88. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Sad… sad… sad…

  89. Lucinius says:

    At this rate the only way the Oilers score is a bad bounce for the Leafs.

  90. hunter1909 says:

    Amazing.

    Amazing how easy it is to call for TMac’s head tonight.

    Last night I guess he was secure in his job lol

  91. Jethro Tull says:

    nelson88:
    Put Drai back with McDavid.

    lots of zone time but his line isn’t getting many good looks.

    If I’m TMac, I’m asking Drai if he wants to be the league’s first $8.5m 4th line center.

  92. hunter1909 says:

    Lucinius:
    At this rate the only way the Oilers score is a bad bounce for the Leafs.

    Or an asteroid hits Maple Leaf Gardens.

  93. wood99 says:

    What does JP have to do to get a chance on the pp.I understand that our pp is so good with Letestu on it,maybe if we go 0 for 10 our genius coaching staff might actually try something different.

  94. GMB3 says:

    I’m very impressed with the way this team has played today. So much compete.

  95. hunter1909 says:

    4 days dry out of 5 and Oilers playing Leafs…

    Time for a large single malt scotch.

  96. flyfish1168 says:

    wood99:
    What does JP have to do to get a chance on the pp.I understand that our pp is so good with Letestu on it,maybe if we go 0 for 10 our genius coaching staff might actually try something different.

    I’m thinking it is the bonus money he could reach

  97. hodgkins says:

    GMB3,

    Agreed

  98. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    So… we’re back to moral victories guys?

  99. Caller Zen says:

    Oilers need a dirty, dirty goal

  100. Lloyd B. says:

    OriginalPouzar: I’m exhausting because I keep questioning a coaching decision that happens repeatedly>

    Give me a break – this entire community rehashes the same 4 things on a daily basis.

    Yes, that comment pissed me off.

    I have given you a hockey reason as have others. You obviously disagree with the crowd sourcing answer.

    I have now given you an alternative that it is not a hockey reason, but a coaching one. Again you disagree.

    I give up. What is the answer?

    You obviously know but are testing me to see if I know. I don’t. Please edify me.

  101. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    hunter1909:
    Amazing.

    Amazing how easy it is to call for TMac’s head tonight.

    Last night I guess he was secure in his job lol

    The pp cost the team dearly tonight. So no one on that bench should feel secure about anything.

  102. Munny says:

    McDavid won a faceoff!

  103. hunter1909 says:

    At least there’s a face off in the right zone.

    #tiny little bites

  104. Ice Sage says:

    Empty Net time – this would be a good time to break that curse

  105. GMB3 says:

    Jethro Tull: If I’m TMac, I’m asking Drai if he wants to be the league’s first $8.5m 4th line center.

    Oilers fans want Nuge traded because you can’t have a 6 million dollar third line center. Well our third line centre makes 8.5

  106. hodgkins says:

    This reminds me of Ben Scrivens vs. the Sharks

  107. LMHF#1 says:

    What is with these weak passes?

    Really don’t get it.

  108. hunter1909 says:

    Oilers aren’t exactly Manchester United, so I guess this one is going to be another big fat L

  109. Munny says:

    Damn. Deserved better. Play like that every night the wins will come.

  110. wood99 says:

    Also on Brossoit,I know A lot of people are going to defend him and say well the oilers didn’t score a goal, but it doesn’t matter how many great saves you make if you continue to let in a bad goal every night. Your team loses confidence and plays a different style with you in the net

  111. Ice Sage says:

    Ah well. Good effort. Tough to win if u don’t score

  112. Gerta Rauss says:

    That result pretty much sums up the Oilers season to date

    What a mess

  113. Caller Zen says:

    I really thought the Leafs were going to score a Russell to tie …. that’s a shame.

  114. Lucinius says:

    Needed someone to score. Anyone. Oilers only seem to have two modes this year; score in bunches in a single game.. or not at all. A lot of good effort, but not good enough apparently.

  115. Confused says:

    Heartbroken

  116. Munny says:

    Munny:
    Damn. Deserved better. Play like that every night the wins will come.

    (from the opening whistle)

  117. OriginalPouzar says:

    Wow – I can’t believe they didn’t score – they absolutely dominated 40 straight minutes of that game – tons of shots, scrambles, point blank chances.

    4 posts.

    They deserved better – moral victories don’t count but that was a great effort.

    Very entertaining hockey game tonight.

  118. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    Welp surprise surprise special teams cost them yet another game

    (Edit: but like everyone else I applaud the effort. JP is turning into a monster before our very eyes.)

  119. flyfish1168 says:

    Can’t fault the effort.

  120. russ99 says:

    Sucks to not get one past the goalie, but played a good game.

    Vastly better than I expected out of a Montreal-Toronto back to back with Talbot out.

  121. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    This team keeps teetering on the edge of being right back in it but for fuck sakes they cannot string together a goddam thing this year.

  122. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!:
    Welp surprise surprise special teams cost them yet another game

    Yes the problems are still the problems. Weak ass goal and pp an absolute failure.

  123. wood99 says:

    If only the game had started 5 minutes later….LB would have been ready and stopped that “howitzer ” that befuddled him😏

  124. Pescador says:

    Moral..ah fuck it, so draft lottery eh? Good thing too this franchise desperately needs another high draft pick to help turn things around. FML

  125. Pretendergast says:

    that game had as much a build up of anticipation as a teenager on prom night, with about the same amount of satisfaction

  126. hodgkins says:

    Can’t fault Brossoit for the loss. Some games just break that way.

  127. StixMalone says:

    flyfish1168:
    Can’t fault the effort.

    Yep at least they’re playing better. Vezina candidate shut the doors…

  128. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Missing the playoffs really won’t reflect the quality of the roster or it’s play.

    Happened to better teams, I guess

  129. StixMalone says:

    Pretendergast:
    that game had as much a build up of anticipation as a teenager on prom night, with about the same amount of satisfaction

    This…

  130. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Missing the playoffs really won’t reflect the quality of the roster or it’s play.

    Happened to better teams, I guess

    Which teams were those?

  131. russ99 says:

    Pescador:
    Moral..ah fuck it, so draft lottery eh? Good thing too this franchise desperately needs another high draft pick to help turn things around. FML

    Meh, we’ll win a lot of games against the Pacific playing that kind of game. Not going to discount our season just yet.

  132. russ99 says:

    Réal Goudenyéu: Which teams were those?

    Blues last year. Had similar goalie issues.

  133. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lloyd B.: I have given you a hockey reason as have others. You obviously disagree with the crowd sourcing answer.

    I have now given you an alternative that it is not a hockey reason, but a coaching one.Again you disagree.

    I give up.What is the answer?

    You obviously know but are testing me to see if I know.I don’t.Please edify me.

    I have never read a hockey reason.

    Please enlighten me.

    The only reason I read was “coach is an idiot”.

    I tend to not call other people idiots in my daily life but I would agree that the decision seems idiotic in this case.

    Maybe i’ll be less exhausting if I switch to “Fire Woodcroft” or post some Matt Barzal stats?

  134. hunter1909 says:

    Pretendergast:
    that game had as much a build up of anticipation as a teenager on prom night, with about the same amount of satisfaction

    I had to drop out of high school. Family issues. What does Prom night have to do with this?

  135. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    wood99:
    Also on Brossoit,I knowA lot of people are going to defend him and say well the oilers didn’t score a goal, but it doesn’t matter how many great saves you make if you continue to let in a bad goal every night. Yourteam loses confidence and plays a different style with you in the net

    That’s just bullshit. Two outstanding games in a row by our backup goalie. Brossoit is NOT the problem. Keep looking elsewhere.

  136. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    russ99: Blues last year. Had similar goalie issues.

    Wait the blues missed the playoffs last year?

  137. digger50 says:

    Yes, we want to congratulate on a good effort and running into some bad luck.

    But the same dang issues persist.

    Goalie is weak, plain and simple. Yet glad he played as Peter needs to make a decision here and not get sidetracked with Ellis.

    Power Play. There it is again, cost another game. How long will the madness continue?

  138. hunter1909 says:

    TMac’s the kind of coach you hope is going to do great.

    But then he doesn’t, and you’re still left hoping, increasingly feeling like you’re getting taken.

    Crazy enough, MacT was pretty good at coaching playoff hockey. Until a certain midget defenceman stepped up…

  139. OriginalPouzar says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Missing the playoffs really won’t reflect the quality of the roster or it’s play.

    Happened to better teams, I guess

    I agree on that and, at the end of the day, it may be a boon for the future.

    Instead of being buyers and trading picks/prospects for rentals we can keep all our picks/prospects and acquire more by selling Maroon, Letestu, Cammy and Auvitu.

    Its a high-end and deep draft from accounts.

    This could go along way towards building our depth going forward.

    I’m excited about our prospect pool but its still at the amateur level.

    Next year may be a struggle as well as I don’t see either of Benson/Yamamoto or Jones/Bear being ready quite yet.

    After that though, we should have huge competition at the NHL level for jobs and great injury replacement depth and we’ll have other nice prospects turning pro as well (Safin, Maksimov, Samorukov, McPhee, Rasanen, Berglund, Lagesson, etc.).

  140. hunter1909 says:

    digger50: Power Play. There it is again, cost another game. How long will the madness continue?

    Why no one is held accountable, with the season on the line…well…I guess it’s another tank.

    “Just one more tank”

  141. OriginalPouzar says:

    Réal Goudenyéu: Which teams were those?

    TBL

  142. JimmyV1965 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Wow – I can’t believe they didn’t score – they absolutely dominated 40 straight minutes of that game – tons of shots, scrambles, point blank chances.

    4 posts.

    They deserved better – moral victories don’t count but that was a great effort.

    Very entertaining hockey game tonight.

    +1

  143. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Réal Goudenyéu: Which teams were those?

    2015 sharks come to mind, 2015 kings maybe

  144. JimmyV1965 says:

    This game isn’t on the goalie, but he certainly didn’t bail us out. The leafs missed the net on their best chances. Before heading out on this road trip I thought we needed to win two. I’m not crying mercy until we lose in Columbus.

  145. wood99 says:

    Decidedly Skeptical Fan,

    So letting a weak goal in every game doesn’t affect the teams confidence.I guess our players are different than every other player on planet earth.

  146. JimmyV1965 says:

    hunter1909: Why no one is held accountable, with the season on the line…well…I guess it’s another tank.

    “Just one more tank”

    Unfortunately if we don’t make the playoffs we will be in the mushy middle. No way that team tonight with Sek and Larsson finishes bottom three. It will be 10th last or something like that.

  147. OmJo says:

    StixMalone: Yep at least they’re playing better. Vezina candidate shut the doors…

    Back to where we started at the beginning of the season?

    What a strange season this has been… nothing will go this teams way it seems like.

    On the plus side, two solid games by LB, in a row to boot.

  148. wood99 says:

    And no I’m not putting the loss on LB,I understand we didn’t score tonight as a team. All I am saying is it does change how the team plays. Also if he is such a good back up,how come he never plays.

  149. JimmyV1965 says:

    wood99:
    And no I’m not putting the loss on LB,I understand we didn’t score tonight as a team. All I am saying is it does change how the team plays. Also if he is such a good back up,how come he never plays.

    Absolutely positively true. But I don’t think that happened tonight. It did happen multiple times earlier in the year though.

  150. wood99 says:

    Decidedly Skeptical Fan,

    So you think he was outstanding tonight if I understood correctly. You seem to be in the minority with the majority of posters on here.

  151. hunter1909 says:

    JimmyV1965: Unfortunately if we don’t make the playoffs we will be in the mushy middle. No way that team tonight with Sek and Larsson finishes bottom three. It will be 10th last or something like that.

    Yes but then Oilers can anoint said player Hemsky 2.0 and everyone will have a hard on for another player who cannot cut it when the game is on the line.

  152. hunter1909 says:

    OmJo: On the plus side, two solid games by LB, in a row to boot.

    Letting in a goal on the 1st shot is not how a solid NHL goalie goes.

  153. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    wood99,

    Keep looking for the real problem … you’ll trip over it eventually.

  154. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    They lost again, what else is new…
    Against those Gord damn maple leafs too…
    If only their special teams didn’t stink like poo…
    Maybe they’ll finally give Woodcroft the shoe…

  155. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    hunter1909: Letting in a goal on the 1st shot is not how a solid NHL goalie goes.

    – Georges numbers from a few weeks go show that that goals are scored on 1st shot 20% of time

  156. Bill says:

    Strange game
    Suppose it would be easy to pin this on the coaching staff, Gord knows they haven’t left much reason not to pile it on them. What is wrong with Draisaitl though? The lad seems like a shell of the player he was last year. The pressure of the contract? For all the dumping on that Lucic gets, at least there’s a bit of a pulse there compared to Drai.

    Be it the optimist/fool that I am, had higher hopes for this season as many of y’all do/have/had but I’m content having seen the two rounds last season. It is a frustrating game. Can’t seem to get wound up with excitement or angry this time around.
    Something is rotten in Denmark though and I can’t for the life of me lay this at any of management nor players feet. It is what it is.
    Always next season.

  157. wood99 says:

    Decidedly Skeptical Fan,

    I question if you actually have ever played competitive hockey. If you truly think letting in soft goals doesn’t affect your teams confidence in you. And yes I played at a high level of hockey and was a goalie.

  158. wood99 says:

    Decidedly Skeptical Fan,

    Decidedly Skeptical Fan,

    If the problem is so obvious,please enlighten me as well as our coaching staff. I would love to see the Oilers winning more than one game in a row.

  159. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    I feel like dry is giving it his all but man when he skates to the bench for a line change it looks like he’s dragging a boat anchor. No zip.

  160. wood99 says:

    I actually put this on the coaching staff for not changing any players on our poweplay. They seem to be way to stubborn to change when things don’t seem to be clicking.

  161. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    wood99:
    Decidedly Skeptical Fan,

    Decidedly Skeptical Fan,

    If the problem is so obvious,please enlighten me as well as our coaching staff. I would love to see the Oilers winning more than one game in a row.

    What if said obvious problem IS the coaching staff?

  162. hunter1909 says:

    wood99:
    I actually put this on the coaching staff for not changing any players on our poweplay. They seem to be way to stubborn to change when things don’t seem to be clicking.

    Seems I can recall the reaction in SJ when TMac left.
    The word was, he was useless in the playoffs, was stubborn and refused to learn how to get better at the game etc.

  163. wood99 says:

    hunter1909,

    This seems to be true in regards to our special teams for sure,can’t disagree.

  164. Bill says:

    If this season’s faults are strictly coaching related and the only light at the end of the tunnel is firing the coaching staff and the general manager, whom do you bring in to fix it?
    Is there a qualified GM and Coach out there currently that could soothe the masses? How long of a leash would they have?

  165. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    Crazy Pedestrian,

    … and I think we have a winner. BINGO.

  166. wood99 says:

    I actually thought the Oilers played very well tonight but we didn’t get any puck luck.

  167. Bill says:

    And say a new coaching staff/GM comes in, would the collective fan base give them benefit of the doubt when the inevitable shuffling of players begins? Or would it be Apocalypse ( Hall & Eberle) Now, if they shipped the likes of Draisaitl and Klefbom out?

  168. Lloyd B. says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    That was a dominant period by the Oilers.

    There is only 1 reason why this game isn’t tied, actually, why the Oilers don’t have the lead – Curtis Mcelhinney.

    Should be a fun third period – hope they play like they did in the 2nd – all in the Leaf zone.

    Well thank goodness. I was sure the only reason this game wasn’t tied is that McDavid was taking faceoffs in the defensive zone. Whew

  169. hunter1909 says:

    Bill:
    And say a new coaching staff/GM comes in, would the collective fan base give them benefit of the doubt when the inevitable shuffling of players begins? Or would it be Apocalypse ( Hall & Eberle) Now, if they shipped the likes of Draisaitl and Klefbom out?

    Maybe a new coaching staff like…knows wtf it’s doing with the players available.

    I know…dream on….

  170. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lloyd B.: Well thank goodness.I was sure the only reason this game wasn’t tied is that McDavid was taking faceoffs in the defensive zone.Whew

    Why are you being an ass?

  171. Weighting for more says:

    People suggesting Woodcroft should be axed need to remember Woodcroft is McLellan…McLellan is Woodcroft.

  172. Munny says:

    OriginalPouzar: Why are you being an ass?

    Probably because your repetition of the same issue is approaching Godot levels. I know I have provided you with reasons, but still the same drum gets beat. Every. Single. Period.

    Just a guess, though.

  173. Bill says:

    hunter1909,

    No need to “dream on”, makes sense. But when new management/coaching comes in, there is inevitable change coming. Certain players don’t fit the mould, attitudes don’t mesh. It’s a game of change as much as it has to do with luck, skill and health.

  174. OriginalPouzar says:

    I guess I just need to stick to:

    1) Fire McLellan

    2) Barzal stats

    3) Taylor Hall

    4) Fire Chiarelli

    Its been fun participating but its not any more.

    Oh well!

  175. Lloyd B. says:

    OriginalPouzar: I agree on that and, at the end of the day, it may be a boon for the future.

    Instead of being buyers and trading picks/prospects for rentals we can keep all our picks/prospects and acquire more by selling Maroon, Letestu, Cammy and Auvitu.

    Its a high-end and deep draft from accounts.

    This could go along way towards building our depth going forward.

    I’m excited about our prospect pool but its still at the amateur level.

    Next year may be a struggle as well as I don’t see either of Benson/Yamamoto or Jones/Bear being ready quite yet.

    After that though, we should have huge competition at the NHL level for jobs and great injury replacement depth and we’ll have other nice prospects turning pro as well (Safin, Maksimov, Samorukov, McPhee, Rasanen, Berglund, Lagesson, etc.).

    So back to the DOD . Okay then.

  176. Bill says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Hang in man, don’t walk. This season’s follies have claimed enough.

  177. Lloyd B. says:

    OriginalPouzar: Why are you being an ass?

    Unless I am mistaken and you are in disguise, you are one of the hoi poloi.

    Your opinions and commentary weigh the same as the rest of ours. Quantity notwithstanding.

    If my challenging you makes me an ass … then I am an ass. A material ass nonetheless!

  178. Bling says:

    Great effort. Not sure I understand the overall reaction, here…

    Outplaying the Leafs like that as the away team is a positive, not a negative. This is definitely not the team of two years ago, that’s for sure.

    Brossoit let in a rough one, but .957 from any goalie, never mind your back up, is enough to win a game. Let’s not forget that he followed that up with a pretty good save on that Kadri one-timer.

  179. OmJo says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Losing brings out the worst in some people.

    Myself included. Although I’m becoming numb to the losing again.

    I understand those topic have been beaten to death but what else do we have to talk about right now? Things will change when the draft post gets closer. Or we start winning. Those topics are related to why we’re losing IMO, so I think they’re relevant given the circumstances and will be until we can start to consistently put some wins together.

    Hang in there OP.

  180. JimmyV1965 says:

    Darnell has had a couple quiet yet strong games here, but tonight he was an absolute beast in the third period. He was all over the place and yet managed to maintain his defence.

  181. deardylan says:

    Ninja Mind Tricks for Oilers

    Imagine if this painful loss to Toronto was just the future Oilers were trying to send a “lesson” back in time to the current oilers …what would be the lesson be and what can current Oilers do to turn this pain into gain?

  182. deardylan says:

    OriginalPouzar: ORIGINAL

    Optimistic Pouzar

    Keep the faith brother.

    Just like this game it is an entertaining rollercoaster year in Oilers land and fun to see the reactions. I especially like that you keep looking forward, keep active on your postings and share your enthusiasm of the game with us.

    After painful loses I notice the wolves inside of us and others come out. When people slam us headfirst into the boards. I just think of this story. No one can feed my own wolf except me.

    ===

    An old Cherokee is teaching his grandson about life. “A fight is going on inside me,” he said to the boy.

    “It is a terrible fight and it is between two wolves.

    One is evil – he is defensiveness, anger, envy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, hiding, superiority, and ego.”

    He continued,

    “The other is good – he is joy, peace, love, hope, activeness, optimism, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion, and faith. The same fight is going on inside you – and inside every other person, too.”

    The grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather, “Which wolf will win?”

    The old Cherokee simply replied, “The one you feed.”

  183. IDK says:

    So say someone works for a high level sports team and wanted to know about VOR’s math company…

  184. VOR says:

    IDK,

    What would this hypothetical person like to know?

  185. IDK says:

    VOR:
    IDK,

    What would this hypothetical person like to know?

    I’m just curious what you do. We break down every game with comprehensive reports looking for tendencies and whatnot. If there’s software out there that can help us do that more efficiently, I’m all ears. Or maybe there’s ways of thinking about the relationships between variables that we haven’t fully explored. Unless it’s super pricey, then maybe not…

    Sorry if that’s vague, I’m just super interested by the stuff, and always looking for ways to improve game prep.

    You just said high school, and that made me think high school football in the states. Maybe I’m wrong.

  186. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    hunter1909:
    TMac’s the kind of coach you hope is going to do great.

    But then he doesn’t, and you’re still left hoping, increasingly feeling like you’re getting taken.

    Crazy enough, MacT was pretty good at coaching playoff hockey. Until a certain midget defenceman stepped up…

    When Hunter prefers MacT to the current EDM coach it’s only a matter of time.

  187. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    hunter1909: Yes but then Oilers can anoint said player Hemsky 2.0 and everyone will have a hard on for another player who cannot cut it when the game is on the line.

    That fucking Hemsky was first off the ice after scoring the goal that ended Yzerman’s career.

    Soft.

  188. hags9k says:

    The special teams are still underachieving but TMac has not lost the room. Aside from about 3-4 lousy no -shows, the effort level has been there and was again last night.

    Call me crazy but I think they are still in it and I think they have a big streak in them this year.

    So far we have seen McDavid do McDavid things but soon we will see McDavid’s team do McDavid things.

    Need our stud tender back and we will get rolling.

    Hang in there a little longer everyone.

  189. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    AS OMJO said “losing brings out the worst in people.”

    Its funny, when the Oilers and Leafs first took to the ice in Edmonton a couple weeks ago the blog/blogosphere and the talking punditry couldn’t go far enough in praising the Leafs speed, their ability to roll for lines, tenacity, (insert fawning here) etc.

    Well the Leafs have gone 2-0 against our Oilers again this season and that stings but alas I find it very hard things morning not to call some of that list you wrote into question.

    According to Bruce over at the Journal the stats went something like

    Shots: 41-23 Oilers
    Shot attempts: 89-47 Oilers
    HDSC (Staples): 24-10
    Shots in 2nd and 3rd: 35-12 Oilers
    Score: 1-0 Toronto

    Now a cynical fan will look at those numbers and say “yup losers, coach cost them the game with special teams,” and I don’t really fault that analysis I just find it lazy. Just like I’ve found all the other narratives this year blaming the coach, “speed” and any number of buzz-word answers to be lazy.

    For those of us that watched these two games I think its fair to say that we’ve seen the good guys absolutely dominate the Leafs for 4 of the 6 periods. Alas 4 of 6 doesn’t necessarily win you games so to some I’m sure that means diddly squat but I’m convinced it upsets the narrative that the Oilers with the current group of players and/or coaching staff have something so terribly rotten at the core that there needs to be wholesale changes left right and centre in order to fix things.

    I disagree 100% with that analysis and I know there are a couple folks in this space who feel the same way.

    I think the troubles to this season come down way more on the players and not some sabotaged internal clusterf?@# led by the coach and the GM.

    I think the troubles stem back to a very young team, saddled with super high expectations missing the mark in a couple early games then succumbing to sickness, and then a series of unfortunate injuries which had a drastic impact on that immeasurable but incredibly important team trait of confidence.

    Now this isn’t to absolve the coaching staff for hanging onto Yamamoto for too long, or the GM for not finding perhaps a better stopgap for Sekera but its getting old to read bizarre posts about “failed systems and the coach losing the room.”

    Sometimes there really doesn’t need to be an elaborate explanation for things. Sometimes it really is as simple as:

    Our top flight starting goalie came out rusty this year
    Our 2nd best defenseman last year came out a little slow this year (injuries)
    Once we started getting down on ourselves we started squeezing the sticks too tight and started trying to fix everything ourselves instead of playing as a unit.

    These things aren’t very satisfying and they don’t get us the metaphorical head we’re so desiring after the rush of last season.

    But I really do think that since the Buffalo game there has been a turnaround in team play (the Philly game was a mess so feel free to start there if you so choose) and we are a helluva lot closer to seeing what this team is actually capable of without a massive trade and/or a firing of coaching/management.

    Consistency has been an issue all year, but listening to the post-game comments from players and coach last night keep my optimism alive. Another solid effort is needed but the Jackets of 2017/2018 are not the same Jackets as 2016/2017, they don’t score a lot and their PP is terrible. The Oil need to take the skill they displayed against TO and the rawness from coming up empty into the game on Tuesday. If they play like they did last night they can come away with a big two points before moving on to Western Conference teams.

    One coaching related issue that I will harp on though? Time to give JP a shot on the first PP unit, I’m convinced he’s a game or two away from going full-beast. There have been flashes of incredible skill the last few games and very soon he’s gonna pop-off and never look back.

  190. VanIsleOil says:

    Bill:
    If this season’s faults are strictly coaching related and the only light at the end of the tunnel is firing the coaching staff and the general manager, whom do you bring in to fix it?
    Is there a qualified GM and Coach out there currently that could soothe the masses? How long of a leash would they have?

    we can always dream… the man would be a very good fit.

    https://theathletic.com/174924/2017/12/05/blues-begin-contract-talks-with-gm-doug-armstrong-who-deserves-to-have-future-sealed-sooner-than-later/

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