Traction

The Edmonton Oilers took the train out east, tightened the rhythm section and maybe—maybe—we see a push for the playoffs. There’s a lot of blood on the tracks, it’s possible this runaway train is finally settling in for the push toward April.

THE ATHLETIC

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  • New Lowetide: The Leftorium versus unicorns
  • Aaron Portzline: Post-game wrap with some killer notes.
  • Lowetide: Mike Hoffman a perfect fit!
  • Jonathan Willis: Darnell Nurse will (eventually) push someone out the door!
  • Corey Pronman: World Juniors snubs (Oilers angle)

LONG DECEMBER, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • December 2015: 5-0-0, goal differential +6
  • December 2016: 2-1-2, goal differential +1
  • December 2017: 3-2-0, goal differential +8

This year’s Oilers team is running about even with a year ago, the 2015-16 December was a rocket but that team would come down to earth in a quick hurry (as we’ll see in the coming days). I have to say, this road trip was a very good one for Edmonton. What they make of it is out among the stars.

AFTER 31, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers 15-16: 14-15-2, goal differential -9
  • Oilers 16-17: 15-11-5, goal differential +9
  • Oilers 17-18: 13-16-2, goal differential -7

The Oilers of 2017-18 are tightening up now, forcing their way towards .500 for the season. That’s nothing to laugh at when you’ve been down in the boondocks, we’ll call it plenty of room to grow. The 15-16 team would finish December 1-6-1 from this point, a punishing set of results from which the team would not recover. The 16-17 team went the other way. What will be the direction of the current team?

  • Todd McLellan: “You hope that it confirms that we’re turning the corner & putting some things together.”

 WHAT TO EXPECT FROM DECEMBER

  • On the road to: Calgary (Expected: 0-0-1) (Actual: 1-0-0)
  • At home to: Philadelphia (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual: 0-1-0)
  • On the road to: Montreal, Toronto, Columbus (Expected 1-2-0) (Actual 2-1-0)
  • At home to: Nashville (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Minnesota (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: San Jose, St. Louis, Montreal (Expected 1-1-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Winnipeg (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Chicago, Winnipeg (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 5-6-2, 12 points in 13 games 
  • Current results: 3-2-0, six points in five games
For the second time this month (Calgary game), the Oilers are slightly ahead of my projections. They receive no mercy from the schedule makers, with Nashville next on the calendar. We may not see the kind of progression hoped for in December (due to schedule strength) but if Edmonton can stay within reach (say five points) of the playoffs maybe we see better days when the weather warms. If we make it through December, this team might have a second leg worth watching.

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

  • Davidson-Auvitu went 14-12 in 12:57 together, 2-0 GF, 5-2 HDSC’s. Went 6-5 against Foligno-Dubois-Panarin in 4:33, that’s the big line. Brandon Davidson is a quiet player so is unlikely to get credit but I do believe he should be recognized giving more balance to this blue line. Auvitu is electric.
  • Nurse-Russell ran 12-15 in 15:55 together, 1-2 GF, 1-2 HD. Went 7-4 in 6:18 against Foligno-Wennberg-Bjorkstrand. I mostly like this pairing, thought Russell gave up the blue line a little early on the first goal against. Nothing major and the duo was generally effective to my mind.
  • Klefbom-Benning were  10-17 in 16:01, 1-0 GF, no high dangers against with this pair. Were 6-4 in 5:45 against Dubinsky-Jenner-Atkinson, it looks to me as though Oscar is playing the Serge Savard role and Benning has more freedom to wheel.
  • Laurent Brossoit stopped 28 of 30, .933.
  • NaturalStatTrick and NHL.com.

FORWARDS, LAST NIGHT

  • Maroon-Nuge-Cammalleri went 13-14 in 12:34, 0-2 in GF (although Nuge cashed from Cammalleri on the 5×4) and 1-2 in the high dangers. Went 6-7 against Dubinsky-Jenner-Atkinson.
  • Khaira-Draisaitl-Strome went 10-11 in 11:34, 0-2 in HDSC’s but nothing on the score sheet either way. I loved Leon’s assist and his coverage down low and he had faster boots last night. Khaira stepped in for  97 when Foligno snapped, hope he didn’t hurt anything. That big man is coming on.
  • Lucic-McDavid-Puljujarvi-Slepyshev had fine results together. McDavid-JP went 14-16, 97-Lucic went 8-13 and McDavid-Slepy went 5-0 in 46 seconds. McDavid is ridiculous, this is his third year and I’ve already run out of adjectives.
  • Slepyshev-Letestu-Kassian posted four points on the night, Letestu is a fine player. Went 3-6 in 9:31, Kassian’s goal the only crooked number. Went 1-3 against Calvert-Motte-Sedlak.

It’s been a struggle for Kailer Yamamoto since he returned from the NHL, he scored last night and picked up an assist to run his season total for Spokane to 13gp, 2-10-12. The best offensive season from junior players so far comes from Tyler Benson (19gp, 12-17-29) with Kirill Maksimov (28gp, 18-13-31) and Ostap Safin (33gp, 13-19-32) also posting strong numbers.

Might have been a good idea to have a boo, you know, just to have some idea about how the Oilers were deploying their lines. McDavid faced the Dubois line and Seth Jones most of the time at 5×5, four points, three individual HD scoring chances, he was magical.

SLEPYSHEV-MCDAVID-PULJUJARVI

It was 46 seconds, ended in a goal and 5-0 Corsi for—and we may never see it again. I watched that sequence a few times and wonder what the 97 line might look like with a burner on left wing? Puljujarvi can eventually serve the big man role and win the corner battles, what about a bullet train on the port side? I wrote about Mike Hoffman on Monday over at The Athletic, something to think about moving forward.

LEON DRAISAITL

The big man had his feet moving last night and made two excellent defensive plays on goalmouth scrambles. He hasn’t been himself in recent games, fabulous to see him make an impact on sorties at both ends of the ice.

BRANDON DAVIDSON

When the Oilers grabbed Brandon Davidson from Montreal, I wrote an item at The Athletic:

  • Brandon Davidson was excellent in possession his first full NHL season. Edmonton was brimming with quality youth at the time, mostly first-round picks. Davidson, from the bowels of a distant draft, hung with them. He’d also straightened out the skating, showed impressive passing ability and could transport the puck. The Oilers found one, a good one. Only problem? He arrived same time as Klefbom and Nurse, two first-round picks. (The Athletic)

He’s back and has settled down that third pairing (to the point where Todd McLellan doesn’t have to treat it like a third pairing, witness above). A year gone from talk of losing him in the expansion draft, Davidson is back and will be a value contract next season should the team sign him. He could also contribute to the exit of one of those higher draft picks come summer, an ironic conclusion to that fabulous rookie year when he showed us what he could do in the NHL.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A busy schedule with a lot of good things to discuss. Scheduled to appear, TSN1260 beginning at 10 this morning:

  • Darcy McLeod, Because Oilers. About last night, plus questions arising about McLellan’s deployment of young players.
  • Scott Mitchell, TSN. A wild MLB winter meetings, what are the Jays up to?
  • Rex Libris. Our brilliant referee resource will update us on trends, plus we’ll discuss the Oilers and their need to turn north.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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  1. kgo says:

    I’m so bloodthirsty ,I ‘ve been checking Twitter every hour to hear how broken Dubinsky’s face is…lots of hate in the EC hockey world for him

  2. zatch says:

    Crikey, these are encouraging results the last 3 games, to the point we gotta figure out what happens when Sekera gets back. This team has been more tsundere than an anime schoolgirl though, so I’m trying to temper my enthusiasm. Still, I’m as optimistic as I’ve been since opening night and I think if JP is legit, there’s some daylight ahead.

  3. Jethro Tull says:

    So, didn’t catch the game last night, visited the very good Troubled Monk brewery in Red Deer. However, one of my friends had the goal horn on his phone. We had a few fans from different teams and when Edmonton scored there was the inevitable ribbing, “Edmonton scored, but Columbus are winning 1-0. Kris Russell slapper from the point.” Haha, it is to laugh – Daffy Duck.

    It was enlightening listening to other teams’ fans. Nobody hates the Oilers anymore and more than one admitted to watching the Oilers. Because of one player.

    We eventually moved on, and watched the highlights at a chain bar. That was a beat down, and to see 97 smile like that, the guys all seeming to enjoy themselves warmed the cockles of the heart.

    And as for Torts? Yeah, you might want to watch some tape of McDavid. And enjoy…..

  4. JustWatt says:

    During the preseason I was, like a fool, hitting the Kool-aid hard, thinking that this team was a sure-fire-no-coubt contender. It has been an incredibly difficult half-season since opening night to watch these guys flail around. I was seriously verging on apathy worse than at any time in the Decade of Darkness.

    These last three games have given me a spark again. I still don’t think that they have given themselves enough track to catch up but at least they are finally watchable again.

    And maybe, just maybe, this team rides a rocket into the playoffs on the back of a supernova McDavid. It would be epic.

  5. Offside says:

    “maybe we see better days when the weather warms”

    the weather is warm now. Its only gonna get colder from here 🙂 Therefore, I expect better days immediately – which seems to be what we are getting. Who’d have thunk Davidson’s return would be the catalyst?? You’re right, LT – it’s Chia’s smaller moves that have a bigger impact on our success

  6. jm363561 says:

    Something like 65 points from 51 games is likely needed to make the play offs – doable but not a lot of room for error. I am not sure why it has taken TMac one-third of the season to get his lines sorted but at least they seem to be coming together – JJ, Pak, Yamo and, in particular, Caggs all stayed around too long producing nothing, while Sleps and JP sat out. Hmm. We continue to pray for the PK.

    The flu has gone, Klef and Drai seem to be picking up, the D have done surprisingly well, Brossoit has hung in there, Talbot, Larsson and Sek, are all coming back. The effort and resilience seem to be returning also. There is hope for another post season, but it is quite an ask.

  7. anjinsan says:

    7-2 win on the road against a winning team with excellent D and a top G = strong!

  8. frjohnk says:

    5 teams have 35 points (6th to 10th spots)
    1 at 33
    1 at 32
    1 at 30
    Oilers in 14th have 28.

    7 points out.

    Need a 105 point pace to hit 93 points.

    If we were to win 5 in a row in the next 5, that would move us up to around 11th or 12 spot and about 3 to 4 points out of that 6th to 10th spot cluster.

    Extremely hard to gain points even when we win as there are games like last night between the Wild and Flames in which it was a 3 point night.

    Playoffs? Yeah, possible.

  9. dustrock says:

    That must have been one hell of a flu. I mean, my daughter projectile vomits all over the top bunk, but 24 hours later, she’s running around like crazy.

    LT – I see Auvitu-Davidson as a poor man’s Klef-Lars. In a good way.

  10. texmex says:

    I’m curious what the D pairings will be when Larsson and Sek return. Thoughts? Tough to take Davy out of the lineup I would think. If you take Benning out we have 1 RHD.

  11. stush18 says:

    The more I watch this season, the more it’s becoming obvious it’s down to maroon vs strome for who gets retained at the end of the year, vs nuge.

    I think TMac runs three lines for rest of the year, and he should.

    Teams gonna look a lot better when sekera and Larsson return and we can start moving the puck up more consistently.

  12. JimmyV1965 says:

    If Larsson returns Thursday, I would like to see:

    Nurse-Russell
    Larsson-Davidson
    Klef-Benning

    Bizarre that the Habs put Davidson on waivers and even more mystifying that the Sabres didn’t claim him. Found money. Love it!!!

  13. frjohnk says:

    How good is McDavid?
    3 points back of scoring lead.

    This is after losing some traction due to illness.
    And I bet that if we were to look at his wingers compared to the top 10 scorers in the league, McDavids wingers would be at the bottom end.

  14. Pouzar says:

    JimmyV1965:
    If Larsson returns Thursday, Iwould like to see:

    Nurse-Russell
    Larsson-Davidson
    Klef-Benning

    Bizarre that the Habs put Davidson on waivers and even more mystifying that the Sabres didn’t claim him. Found money. Love it!!!

    Me like.

  15. Dino says:

    Puljujarvi makes me so happy. The whole fan base rallies for the kid. We all just want to see him blossom haha

  16. Dustylegnd says:

    RHYMES WITH ORANGE

    Just incredible how all the pieces are now fitting together

    Special Teams

    on fire lately PP, PK both up to snuff, hard to say this, but after watching Nuge on the PP last night I think he may be better at running the PP from the ½ boards than 97, Nuge has incredible patients and basically deserved a secondary assist on his own PP goal

    Secondary Scoring

    3rd and 4th lines contributing and dominating zone time on occasion really takes the heat off the “Shut down 97″ all in efforts that worked so well in the 1st ⅓ of the season, secondary scorings impact is not linear, it is exponential with this team

    DEFENCE

    Just incredible the impact a subtle pick up like Davey can have on a 3rd pairing, for him to Rhyme with Auvitu is an impressive feat and when Larsson and Sekera get back, I think Bennings is or should be odd man out…..the options available when all the D are healthy will allow TMc to roll his D and limit massive ice time to any one player or pairing

    POOLPARTY

    I kept saying be patient, think Scheifle, what is probably a better comparison is Blake Wheeler, 6’5” drafted in 2004 didn’t see the NHL till 2009, is currently 31 and has 38 points…you have to be patient with big men

  17. Pouzar says:

    frjohnk: How good is McDavid?
    3 points back of scoring lead.

    That is Bonkers. No doubt in my mind the kid has been sick for a while.
    He just didn’t look like his normal explosive self but he’s back baaaayyy-beeeee!!!!!!!!

  18. Dino says:

    JimmyV1965:
    If Larsson returns Thursday, Iwould like to see:

    Nurse-Russell
    Larsson-Davidson
    Klef-Benning

    Bizarre that the Habs put Davidson on waivers and even more mystifying that the Sabres didn’t claim him. Found money. Love it!!!

    I would reunite Klef and Lars

    Klef Lars
    Nurse Russ
    Davidson Benning

  19. Pouzar says:

    Dino:
    Puljujarvi makes me so happy. The whole fan base rallies for the kid. We all just want to see him blossom haha

    29 goal pace. No PP time. SSS but maaan.

  20. stush18 says:

    texmex:
    I’m curious what the D pairings will be when Larsson and Sek return. Thoughts? Tough to take Davy out of the lineup I would think. If you take Benning out we have 1 RHD.

    I think they’ll play

    Klefbom-Larsson
    Nurse-Russell
    Sekera-benning
    Davidson

    And give Davidson sekeras reps until he’s feeling a bit stronger.

    Nurse and Russell have been putting up decent results right now.

  21. texmex says:

    JimmyV1965,

    Did you mean Davy – Larsson or would you move Lars to LHD?

  22. texmex says:

    stush18,

    I think that’s how they roll out as well.

    Interesting to see what happens to Gryba and/or OV2. Both require waivers.

  23. JimmyV1965 says:

    Torts is an interesting coach. He’s obviously smart. His track record of success on multiple teams proves that. Yet he doesn’t watch tape of other teams. WTF. Dubynsky was running around all game going after Oiler players and Foligno was doing the same thing in the third period. (At least Foligno was playing hockey the first two periods. Not so much in the third) So with the score 6-2 and out of reach, what does he do? He puts Dubynsky and Foligno on the same line. I’m not sure if he double shifted them for the final few minutes of the game, but they definitely had extra shifts and were out there for a long time. Maybe if he watched some tape he would have understood there would be a response from the Oilers. In my books, he encouraged his players to run around and goon it up and one of them got hurt because of it.

  24. Dustylegnd says:

    stush18,

    seems pretty obvious to me, somebody somewhere will pay Maroon 5 plus, Strome can only dream about even 3.5…..although a hard decision, they will let Maroon go, they need money to sign PJ and Nurse soon enough, Il love Patty but Lucic has his lunch money

  25. JimmyV1965 says:

    texmex:
    JimmyV1965,

    Did you mean Davy – Larsson or would you move Lars to LHD?

    I believe Davidson is LHD.

  26. JimmyV1965 says:

    stush18: I think they’ll play

    Klefbom-Larsson
    Nurse-Russell
    Sekera-benning
    Davidson

    And give Davidson sekeras reps until he’s feeling a bit stronger.

    Nurse and Russell have been putting up decent results right now.

    It’s still early and the results may change, but there’s no way the coach can make Davidson the number seven when both Larsson and Sek are back. It has to be Klef or Benning and I don’t see it being Klef.

  27. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – I think Chia needs to be given props: Great D pick-ups. Moving quickly to replace Joki with Cami

    – Cheap Auvitu, Davidson, Gryba, rather than give up assets waiting for Sek to come back

    – Not giving up assets and forcing McL to play LB.

    – Jagr, with his 1 goal, and his 106 PDO you take Sleppy all day, same CF%, and not as zone start protected. One vet Jokin then Cami: that was a smart GM move

    – Jagr would have been so so bad, based on results year to date: Pool, Sleppy, Jar, even Kailer: they needed reps.

    – Yes it has taken the team longer to gel than we thought, but this team last while, that’s the vision that Chia had. He didn’t panic, he let them figure out – that’s why he built the roster this way

    – I think McL need to be given props: over time, he lett the incumbents lose out, and he’s coached up Benning, Nurse, Jar Jar, and Pool. He went to 3 lines, and team has bought in

    – That’s what a good coach does: give the incumbents some time to sort it out, then move on: no panic moves: that’s how you get the team to buy in

    – Believing in LB: that’s what a winner coach and organization does: you believe in the process, and don’t give the message that 5 years of development is out the window in 5 games. All the players see this, and understand that they are given a fair shake and respect

    – Coach has this team imposing their will more often.

    – This was the vision for the team at the beginning of the year. Sure it took awhile, and injuries, and all-time worst puck luck, but the PP looked awesome yesterday, the PK awesome.

    – McL and Chia: ,they have a vision, and will be appraised on their execution: they didn’t panic, they have coached up the team, our drafting has been strong, we have a lot of internal solutions that developed, and we are seeing the fruits of this labour and vision for how to build a team.

    – Anyway, this playing as a team: if you want to blame the poor start on the coach and management, you have to give them credit for how they are now imposing their will more often.

    – They aren’t out of it

  28. Dustylegnd says:

    JimmyV1965,

    I think they got lucky that TMc didn’t respond with Maroon, Lucic, Kass, Nurse and Russle, because if it was me, I would have sent that crew out to wipe the smirk off that pricks face post JJK vs Foligno

  29. thehop says:

    JimmyV1965,

    I’m glad someone else saw what I did last night.

    Good for Kassian and good on the team for sticking up for each other. Very happy to see they aren’t taking shit from punks like Dubinsky.

  30. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Since the Oilers claimed Davidson, does this mean they go to the bottom of the waiver priority line next time someone comes up on waivers?

  31. Lowetide says:

    JimmyV1965: I believe Davidson is LHD.

    Check with Woodguy. It’s the only way!

  32. BONE207 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – I think Chia needs to be given props:Great D pick-ups.Moving quickly to replace Joki with Cami

    – Cheap Auvitu, Davidson, Gryba, rather than give up assets waiting for Sek to come back

    – Not giving up assets and forcing McL to play LB.

    – Jagr, with his 1 goal, and his 106 PDO you take Sleppy all day, same CF%, and not as zone start protected.One vet Jokin then Cami: that was a smart GM move

    – Jagr would have been so so bad, based on results year to date:Pool, Sleppy, Jar, even Kailer: they needed reps.

    – Yes it has taken the team longer to gel than we thought, but this team last while, that’s the vision that Chia had.He didn’t panic, he let them figure out – that’s why he built the roster this way

    – I think McL need to be given props: over time, he lett the incumbents lose out, and he’s coached up Benning, Nurse, Jar Jar, and Pool. He went to 3 lines, and team has bought in

    – That’s what a good coach does: give the incumbents some time to sort it out, then move on: no panic moves: that’s how you get the team to buy in

    – Believing in LB: that’s what a winner coach and organization does: you believe in the process, and don’t give the message that 5 years of development is out the window in 5 games.All the players see this, and understand that they are given a fair shake and respect

    – Coach has this team imposing their will more often.

    – This was the vision for the team at the beginning of the year.Sure it took awhile, and injuries, and all-time worst puck luck, but the PP looked awesome yesterday, the PK awesome.

    – McL and Chia: ,they have a vision, and will be appraised on their execution: they didn’t panic, they have coached up the team, our drafting has been strong, we have a lot of internal solutions that developed, and we are seeing the fruits of this labour and vision for how to build a team.

    – Anyway, this playing as a team: if you want to blame the poor start on the coach and management, you have to give them credit for how they are now imposing their will more often.

    – They aren’t out of it

    Original Pouzar…is that you?

  33. Cassandra says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    The one point I really agree with you is Brossoit. I’m not actually a believer in him, however to throw away five years in five games is crazy.

    Where you are wrong is giving Chiarelli credit. The team looks good, and I agree that this team, as formulated, can make a run at the playoffs. This team as formulated also doesn’t have Adam Larsson. Which puts to be the absurd reasoning that Chiarelli “needed” to make that trade.

    Now can you imagine how good this team would be if you added a second superstar to it?

  34. flea says:

    Klima’s_Bucket,

    I think it’s based on the standings after November 1st, there is no waiver re ordering. So the Oilers would still have a pretty good waiver priority.

  35. who says:

    JimmyV1965: It’s still early and the results may change, but there’s no way the coach can make Davidson the number seven when both Larsson and Sek are back. It has to be Klef or Benning and I don’t see it being Klef.

    Yeah based on the way they are playing right now I would have to agree but a lot can happen between now and when everyone gets healthy.
    One thing to keep an eye on is the progress of Auvitu in defending in his own zone. If he can figure out his dzone coverages they probably have another legit third pairing guy with some offensive oomph.
    If he figures it out and everyone gets healthy you actually could afford to deal a Benning or Davidson if you needed to fill a hole somewhere else.
    Doubt it comes to that and I would prefer to keep all 8 of them for the rest of the year. Might be something to consider in the summer though. Those first year pros will be 1 year closer by then.

  36. texmex says:

    Cassandra,

    Get down, this place is gonna blow up!!!!!

  37. gogliano says:

    frjohnk:
    5 teams have 35 points (6th to 10th spots)
    1 at 33
    1 at 32
    1 at 30
    Oilers in 14th have 28.

    7 points out.

    Need a 105 point pace to hit 93 points.

    If we were to win 5 in a row in the next 5, that would move us up to around 11th or 12 spot and about 3 to 4 points out of that 6th to 10th spot cluster.

    Extremely hard to gain points even when we win as there are games like last night between the Wild and Flames in which it was a 3 point night.

    Playoffs?Yeah, possible.

    To some extent Edmonton can influence the point marker they need to hit by winning games against their competitors. 21 games to go against the 8 teams they are most immediately challenging (I still think Vegas can falter & EDM have 3 games against them):

    35 grouping, head to head games remaining
    SJS: 3
    Minn: 2
    Cal: 3
    Chi: 2
    Dal: 1

    33, 32, 30 (in order):
    Ana: 4
    Van: 3
    Col: 3

    One way to look at it is that there are probably 3 spots open in the Pacific, with LAK in. Vegas is a clear leader and Edmonton is clear trailer. But we still have 3 games against every team, save Anaheim where we have 4. Our record in these remaining 16 games can still shape the Pacific race.

    Running out of track but we do control our destiny.

  38. Dustylegnd says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    Agree completely,

    I have said in the past that this 2017 team reminds me of the Jets last year, injuries bad luck and poor goal keeping, but the Jets didn’t panic, kept the GM, kept the coach, and believed in the system

    Our season to date is a microcosm of the Jets year last year, it will take a crazy effort over the last 50 games but I think the Oil can keep our interest for sure

    TSN tuning point for me was when TMc came to the defense of Russel post own goal, called out the Nerds and basically made me believe he had every faith this team has what it takes, he then proceeded to light up the boys with his F Bomb laden rant “here here”

    Special teams clicking, secondary scoring, Flu seems to have run its course, but we are still injured

    This season although frustrating, has provided us with “This version of Darnell”

    allowed us to see what Auvitu can provide,

    provides a gauge to determine if Broissoit is a legit back up,

    gave Jesse what he needed to grow and blossom,

    will hopefully save Chia from himself when it comes to hammering out a new contract with Talbot after witnessing another season of gross inconsistency ………

    all positive factors playoffs or not

  39. Dustylegnd says:

    thehop,

    Dubinsky has had that coming for a long long long time….next on Kass’s hit list should be Douche Bag Inc. Kadri……he is over due as well

  40. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – Remember the whole: Chia was a moron because he got rid of all our scoring, and we needed vets

    – Our 5×5 scoring is tied with Washington for 6th, and we are a few goals from being top-3

    – The whole premise on Jagr was that we needed secondary scoring. Jagr has scored 1 goal

    – Jagr, he is riding a crazy PDO (106), and he’s out of games as often as Sleppy (who has a better CF%, and isn’t as zone protected), who also has 1 goal

    – The narrative about Chia not doing enough for secondary scoring was just wrong in hindsight. he’s not a moron for trusting his internal options first.

    – The organization has flushed out or benched for not scoring: Caggs, Pak, Joki, Kailer

    – Others have stepped up: Pool and Jar-Jar (with Sleppy trying to stay healthy)

    – If you brought in more vets as some advocated, or traded early in season, you wouldn’t be putting Pool in the the place he is. Jar wouldn’t be getting as many reps.

    – This was Chia’s plan IMO. He gave his internal guys the right opportunities. Good thing he did

  41. who says:

    Cassandra:
    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    The one point I really agree with you is Brossoit.I’m not actually a believer in him, however to throw away five years in five games is crazy.

    Where you are wrong is givingChiarelli credit.The team looks good, and I agree that this team, as formulated, can make a run at the playoffs.This team as formulated also doesn’t have Adam Larsson.Which puts to be the absurd reasoning that Chiarelli “needed” to make that trade.

    Now can you imagine how good this team would be if you added a second superstar to it?

    This team, as formulated, looks pretty good right now without your favorite superstar, who also might be out of the lineup for a while.

  42. Dustylegnd says:

    Cassandra,

    Ya, but we wouldn’t have Lucic holding his team mates accountable in the room, hence no possible way we could win without that presence and the poison that is Hall….look how shitty NJD are with him in their room….ohhh wait a minute

  43. texmex says:

    Dustylegnd,

    Aaron Portzline‏Verified account
    @Aportzline
    10m10 minutes ago
    More
    #CBJ Brandon Dubinsky has a fractured cheek/orbital bone around left eye, which is badly swollen. Stitches above and below the eye. Not sure if surgery is required. Club has made no comment.

  44. frjohnk says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: The narrative about Chia not doing enough for secondary scoring was just wrong in hindsight

    I agree.

    It only took about 20 games for the bottom 6 to score their 3rd 5 on 5 goal.

    That was fantastic secondary scoring for 25% of the season.

  45. Dustylegnd says:

    texmex,

    I feel so bad for him…Karma is a Bully

  46. StixMalone says:

    Lots of feel good going on today. The killer comes tomorrow. They gotta keep up the work ethic or we will be calling for coaches heads again….

  47. jtblack says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    “He went to 3 lines, and team has bought in

    – That’s what a good coach does: give the incumbents some time to sort it out, then move on: no panic moves: that’s how you get the team to buy in”

    Agree. with a BUT … I think T Mac was too stubborn with Leon and Connor together, and that stuborness could cost him the season. Most of us assumed TMac would run the big 3 C’s from opening day. Thats on him.

    They are a much harder team to play against with the 3C set up.

    They look great the last 3 games!

  48. JimmyV1965 says:

    Lowetide: Check with Woodguy. It’s the only way!

    LOL. And the verdict Woodguy?

  49. JimmyV1965 says:

    who: Yeah based on the way they are playing right now I would have to agree but a lot can happen between now and when everyone gets healthy.
    One thing to keep an eye on is the progress of Auvitu in defending in his own zone. If he can figure out his dzone coverages they probably have another legit third pairing guy with some offensive oomph.
    If he figures it out and everyone gets healthy you actually could afford to deal a Benning or Davidson if you needed to fill a hole somewhere else.
    Doubt it comes to that and I would prefer to keep all 8 of them for the rest of the year. Might be something to consider in the summer though. Those first year pros will be 1 year closer by then.

    I think I might come off as a Benning hater here, but I’m really not. I’m cheering for him to become a good player. However, I’ve seen zero growth in this player since he was hurt last year. I know the narrative is that Benning played well in the playoffs, but I thought him and Nurse were bad in the playoffs. Nurse has become arguably our best dman now and Benning, not so much. If you can trade him later for a pick, that’s a huge victory.

  50. fuzzy muppet says:

    Might be a bit chippy next time these teams meet

    texmex:
    Dustylegnd,

    Aaron Portzline‏Verified account
    @Aportzline10m10 minutes ago
    More
    #CBJ Brandon Dubinsky has a fractured cheek/orbital bone around left eye, which is badly swollen. Stitches above and below the eye. Not sure if surgery is required. Club has made no comment.

  51. JimmyV1965 says:

    What happened to Original Pouzar? I miss his optimism and updates.

  52. jtblack says:

    Funny: In 1 week we went from a slow, terrible, sh*tty team. Now this same team is Great and looks poised for a playoff run ..:)

  53. Pouzar says:

    Dubinsky with broken orbital bone.

  54. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Cassandra,

    – Thanks Cassandra: that was a measured response

    – Hall though, he’s gone: this is the team we have now., and I’m excited with these glimpses

    – More games where we impose our will: we are going to be good for a long time.

    – This was Chia’s vision, IMO: and our possession and heat maps are turning into imposing victories

    – LB playing well better than Talbot has in this stretch has helped a lot

    – The bad start has a lot of silver linings: and Chia no panic, with moves that worked (Davidson/Cammi – Walker = Pak) has inspired a lot of confidence

  55. frjohnk says:

    jtblack:
    Funny: In 1 week we went from a slow, terrible, sh*tty team.Now this same team is Great and looks poised for a playoff run ..:)

    We are in 28th place and cheerful today.

    Amazing what a win does for the Oilers fan soul.

    Lose tomorrow and its back to pain, anguish, suffering and death.

  56. JimmyV1965 says:

    Big game against the Preds coming up. Frick. I hate how good they are. Spit. At least they play tonight and have to travel here tomorrow or late tonight.

  57. Side says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – Remember the whole: Chia was a moron because he got rid of all our scoring, and we needed vets

    – Our 5×5 scoring is tied with Washington for 6th, and we are a few goals from being top-3

    – The whole premise on Jagr was that we needed secondary scoring.Jagr has scored 1 goal

    – Jagr, he is riding a crazy PDO (106), and he’s out of games as often as Sleppy (who has a better CF%, and isn’t as zone protected), who also has 1 goal

    – The narrative about Chia not doing enough for secondary scoring was just wrong in hindsight.he’s not a moron for trusting his internal options first.

    – The organization has flushed out or benched for not scoring: Caggs, Pak, Joki, Kailer

    – Others have stepped up: Pool and Jar-Jar (with Sleppy trying to stay healthy)

    – If you brought in more vets as some advocated, or traded early in season, you wouldn’t be putting Pool in the the place he is.Jar wouldn’t be getting as many reps.

    – This was Chia’s plan IMO.He gave his internal guys the right opportunities. Good thing he did

    I don’t mind Chia trusting his internal options, what I do mind is how many internal options he hoped would work out in the season instead of signing more dependable options. This doesn’t always work though, as we saw in Jokinen, but not a huge fan how it’s taking 30+ games to figure out which internal options are panning out and which need to be flushed or bench. Why should the Oilers have to do so much guesswork in figuring out who will play where?

    And if the Oilers go on another poor stretch and scoring dry’s up again, then should we still be trusting internal options if the Oilers can’t make the playoffs with their current roster?

    Regardless, I think the Oilers will still turn it around and make the playoffs.

    WOOOOOO!

  58. giddy says:

    Only problem with moving Benning, as stated above, is our line-up then consists of 1 RHD, and it’s back to the leftorium problem all over again. I’d still give him time. Frankly, I don’t think he’s played awful. Has shown a little offence too, with 8 pts in 28 games being not bad for a dman 90 games into his NHL career.

    Anyway, here’s hoping the hockey gods will allow the Oil to put together some games here. At this point, as long as they finish outside of the bottom 11 teams in the league, count me as happy. Playoffs would be amazing, but just not finishing in the bottom of the league would be just great.

  59. JD_Sigh says:

    frjohnk: Lose tomorrow and its back to pain, anguish, suffering and death.

    Well I’m no sigh-cologist, but I’d say we’re a bipolar bunch.

    Except for Woodguy. He’s buy poplar.

  60. thehop says:

    JimmyV1965,

    Taking a break methinks.

    Or maybe he has started his own blog.

    With the amount he contributed here I suspect that he could.

    I hope he calls it Oilers&OptimismAbound

  61. Odd McSmellin says:

    Here’s a line I’d like to see;

    Jooj-Nuge-Pooj

    …for obvious reasons.

  62. thepeetso says:

    texmex:
    stush18,

    I think that’s how they roll out as well.

    Interesting to see what happens to Gryba and/or OV2. Both require waivers.

    You’d have to think they will send Gryba down and keep two dmen up, they can run OV2 at wing if they get caught in a pinch with injuries up front.

  63. Pouzar says:

    JD_Sigh: we’re a bipolar bunch.

    x100000000000

  64. Professor Q says:

    frjohnk: We are in 28th place and cheerful today.

    Amazing what a win does for the Oilers fan soul.

    Lose tomorrow and its back to pain, anguish, suffering and death.

    I’m hoping for 6 wins in a row.

    No particular reason why, however.

  65. Professor Q says:

    Odd McSmellin:
    Here’s a line I’d like to see;

    Jooj-Nuge-Pooj

    …for obvious reasons.

    Could we trade for Hjalmarsson and have his pairing on at the same time?

    Juj-Nuge-Pulj

    HUJ

  66. Pouzar says:

    thepeetso: You’d have to think they will send Gryba down

    Isn’t there a rule about the amount of vets you can stuff in the “A”?
    I think we are there.

  67. Jethro Tull says:

    So, hot in my car at 10:05. Just in time to hear LT shout, “Jethro Tull! Friend of the show!” Then realised he was talking about the band and not myself, who only invented the reciprocating seed drill, freeing up laborers to be broken on some other menial task.

    FML.

  68. JD_Sigh says:

    Jethro Tull: who only invented the reciprocating seed drill

    Not to toot your own flute…

  69. Jethro Tull says:

    Been talking a lot about Karlson (Eric). Ottawa may not be able to afford him, I’m thinking $10m. A season until he’s dead. Sooooo, any trade would have to include cap relief. They can’t afford a Norris winner at $10m bit might be able to squeeze in a big center at $8.5m. And a young cost controlled dedender.

    I do Drai, Klef/Nurse and this years 1st. Hell even next years too.

    Trading for a player like Karlson would be one level down from trading McDavid. If you have an opportunity for another game changer, you pull that trigger all day long.

  70. Bag of Pucks says:

    RE: Chiarelli not addressing the secondary scoring.

    One of the core blind spots of any analytical model is an overt reliance on historic data at the expense of emerging trends.

    The argument goes that Chiarelli should’ve signed Jagr because he was proven to drive results at a 2L level whereas players like Caggiula, Slep, JP, JJ had yet to produce a dataset that proves same. The ‘NHL is not a development league’ mantra thus dictates that you must go out and sign the sure thing vet who’s actually about to fall off the cliff as opposed to trialing the emerging youth, one of whom should be likely to trend upward at this stage of their development.

    If you buy into this mindset, you don’t buy bitcoin at $5 because there’s absolutely no historical data to support it becoming the market ‘outscorer’ it’s become.

    But in reality, this is a core part of Chiarelli’s job description. He cannot build a competitive team in a cap world by simply signing other team’s detritus each offseason because they’re ‘proven.’

    Like Sather before him, Chiarelli is going to have to make some educated bets on his younger players. And what I like best about his approach as opposed to the OBC, is he’s smart enough to have about 3 contending options at every position. Competition within this roster and to stay in the lineup has become a thing under Chiarelli and MacLellan, and that is a very good thing indeed.

  71. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    frjohnk: I agree.

    It only took about 20 games for the bottom 6 to score their 3rd 5 on 5 goal.

    That was fantastic secondary scoring for 25% of the season.

    – Sure look at the first 20 games, with terrible sh%, or look at y-t-d? I prefer the larger data set.

    – But if you want to hang your hat on that: was McL a bad coach then, and still a bad coach now, except that now we have more scoring, and he gets no credit?

    – Our secondary scoring is today what you’d hope for: it just hasn’t been smooth…

    – suspect we won’t score at the rate we have last few games, nor will be fall back to the the first 20

    – It’s just nice to have things to cheer about, and give some defense to Chia and McL: they aren’t idiots, and hopefully the glimpses we have recently are closer to what this team will be than those first 20 games, with a terrible goalie, terrible PDO, terribel special teams, flu-bug, a useless winger in Kailer for McD, and hind-sight arm-chair coaching that could have been better

    – This team last 10 games is what I bargained for. If they don’t make the playoffs but play more like this, I can live with that

    – Hey I’m happy to get blasted for my optimism and giving credit where I think it’s due to the organziation: I was wrong about how good they’d be all year, but more of this please

  72. Jethro Tull says:

    JD_Sigh: Not to toot your own flute…

    Jiggle-o my own piccolo?

  73. Material pocession says:

    Only one player can truly impact the overall performance of a team: the goalie. If he sucks, the team looks bad. If he’s amazing, the team looks better than what they really are. The Oilers record might be the same, better, or worse with Hall. Talbot has a .903 so I can’t see how they would be much better off. The team’s record might be the same, better, or worse without Larsson. Brossoit put up a .935 on the road trip and suddenly ‘the Oilers don’t miss Larsson or Sekera’. The Leafs have a fantastic winning percentage without Auston Matthews but that means nothing — Andersen has been putting up a .922. Schneider has a .920 in NJ. Let’s imagine him with a .903 — are the NJD challenging for top spot in their division? Nope. Same goes for all the top teams: TB, NSH, CBJ, LA, etc.

  74. Professor Q says:

    Jethro Tull: Jiggle-o my own piccolo?

    Settle down, Gohan…

  75. Professor Q says:

    Material pocession,

    What if he’s Middle-of-the-Road?

  76. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Side: I don’t mind Chia trusting his internal options, what I do mind is how many internal options he hoped would work out in the season instead of signing more dependable options. trusting internal options if the Oilers can’t make the playoffs with their current roster?

    Regardless, I think the Oilers will still turn it around and make the playoffs.

    WOOOOOO!

    – yeah but thats the whole point: if you do your hybrid route, then we may or may not be where we are today: and for sure we aren’t top-6 5×5 scoring with internal options mostly

    – This is what Chia chose to do: he paid the price in some fans eyes for “not doing enough eary”, but after 30 something games, this is exactly what he had hoped for: it just wasn’t smooth

    – I’d rather he figures out he needs Pool and Jar, and punts Caggs and Pak, and waits on Sleppy, because they all get reps, then be top-6 5×5 and still not know the answer with all these guys. And Joki was the vet that didn’t work, so he gets more scoring with Cami.

    – This isn’t a fantasy hockey team: moves can’t happen overnight…

    – Should we finish top-6ish 5×5 scoring, and this is us, many will have to concede that Chia did the right thing by preferring heavily internal scoring options than vets like Jagr.

    – Knives were out on Chia after the first part: I’m pointing to the a positive, now that things are better

    – I think that’s balanced and fair to both coach and GM

  77. Ribs says:

    Traction

    Wasn’t sure if the blog title was about the team or McDavid’s beard! Filling in a bit this year!

  78. Brantford Boy says:

    Great stuff Kinger… +1

    I have been hard on both Leon and Jesse for some time… although the entire team played a fantastic game last night, I think it was easily JP’s best and Drai’s best since the injury… I saw Davidson excellent last night among many others…

    I really feel the ‘pairs’ component is working now and although I may get the rotten fruit treatment I believe Lucic is actually helping JP’s game tremendously. He’s slowing things down and making veteran plays for the sophomore to get acclimatized. I have noticed this for several games in a row and last night it was probably on display the best especially during cycle plays, and dump and chases between the two big men. Hope they can can keep this work ethic up.

    Go Oilers, bring on Rinne!

  79. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    BONE207: Original Pouzar…is that you?

    – He’s on a conference call: I stole his baton…

  80. Surrey Oiler says:

    Report: Blue Jackets’ Dubinsky has broken orbital bone

    Thank you Zack! I know it’s been mentioned on here b4, but I’m glad he gotten take care of, he and Foligno were running around last night with dirty tactics. Dubinsky has a checkered past from dirty hits vs Crosby. I don’t condone injury on someone, but Dubinsky deserves what he got!

  81. Side says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – yeah but thats the whole point: if you do your hybrid route, then we may or may not be where we are today: and for sure we aren’t top-6 5×5 scoring with internal options mostly

    – This is what Chia chose to do: he paid the price in some fans eyes for “not doing enough eary”, but after 30 something games, this is exactly what he had hoped for: it just wasn’t smooth

    – I’d rather he figures out he needs Pool and Jar, and punts Caggs and Pak, and waits on Sleppy, because they all get reps, then be top-6 5×5 and still not know the answer with all these guys.And Joki was the vet that didn’t work, so he gets more scoring with Cami.

    – This isn’t a fantasy hockey team: moves can’t happen overnight…

    – Should we finish top-6ish 5×5 scoring, and this is us, many will have to concede that Chia did the right thing by preferring heavily internal scoring options than vets like Jagr.

    – Knives were out on Chia after the first part: I’m pointing to the a positive, now that things are better

    – I think that’s balanced and fair to both coach and GM

    I agree, the result may still be the same no matter how many vets were signed in the offseason. I think this season’s bad start is not due to the secondary scoring but, it doesn’t exactly take a savant to see that KY would not be a permanent addition to the roster this season, that Pakarinen is not very good, and Caggiula wouldn’t evolve into more than an energy player over the course of an off season. JJ, Slepyshev and JP were good bets I think, but then what happens if they get injured (like some of them did)? Now you have the Walker’s and Malones coming in when your team is already struggling.

    You’re right, this isn’t fantasy hockey where trades happen overnight, but Peter dumped Eberle and Pouliot who are reliable in favour of Strome and a bunch of question marks.

  82. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Surrey Oiler,

    Damn, I’d never want to see that happen to an oiler. Dubinsky’s an asshole, but no one deserves that. Danger of scrapping I guess

  83. Side says:

    Surrey Oiler:
    Report: Blue Jackets’ Dubinsky has broken orbital bone

    Thank you Zack! I know it’s been mentioned on here b4, but I’m glad he gotten take care of, he and Foligno were running around last night with dirty tactics. Dubinsky has a checkered past from dirty hits vs Crosby. I don’t condone injury on someone, but Dubinsky deserves what he got!

    I’m surprised you didn’t say that LB deserved that broken orbital bone.

  84. Bag of Pucks says:

    Early days, but one thing that’s stood out for me with JP on Connor’s wing is Jesse’s ability to make play in small spaces, especially his ability to play the puck to McDavid in stride.

    We’ve been saying all along that Connor needed a true shooter on his wing. What if it turns out that Connor was the shooter all along and he simply needed someone that can stay with him on the rush and make passes to him when he’s breaking free?

    That greasy goal by JP in the paint was encouraging as well because McDavid is going to generate a ton of first shot chances so having wingers that can cash rebounds in the paint can really drive the overall production for that line.

  85. Surrey Oiler says:

    Side: I’m surprised you didn’t say that LB deserved that broken orbital bone.

    LOL, still not a fan of LB 1 bit, but I love my Oilers and never want them injured…looks like Talbot should be back soon, but I’m still hoping that Chia addresses the back up role asap, and LB is not an option

  86. Pescador says:

    frjohnk: We are in 28th place and cheerful today.

    Amazing what a win does for the Oilers fan soul.

    Lose tomorrow and its back to pain, anguish, suffering and death.

    Hand wringing in the morning, second guessing in the afternoon, depression or elation in the evening.
    It’s exhausting being an Oilers fan on game day,

  87. godot10 says:

    McLellan nearly lost the season by taking over a quarter of it to deploy his forwards sensibly. It took him a while to deploy his defensemen sensibly also. The special teams have been awful. He only got around to Puljujarvi as a last resort when nearly all was lost.l

    The coach is a major culprit in the miserable start to the season.

  88. JimmyV1965 says:

    Material pocession:
    Only one player can truly impact the overall performance of a team:the goalie.If he sucks, the team looks bad.If he’s amazing, the team looks better than what they really are.The Oilers record might be the same, better, or worse with Hall.Talbot has a .903 so I can’t see how they would be much better off.The team’s record might be the same, better, or worse without Larsson.Brossoit put up a .935 on the road trip and suddenly ‘the Oilers don’t miss Larsson or Sekera’. The Leafs have a fantastic winning percentage without Auston Matthews but that means nothing — Andersen has been putting up a .922. Schneider has a .920 in NJ.Let’s imagine him with a .903 — are the NJD challenging for top spot in their division?Nope.Same goes for all the top teams:TB, NSH, CBJ, LA, etc.

    +1000. Bad goaltending percolates throughout the roster. It affects confidence of every player on the team. Just ask the Jets. Hope the Preds play Rinne tonight. Or maybe not. We get killed by back ups.

  89. Dicky94 says:

    Surrey Oiler,

    Never lead with your face.

  90. N64 says:

    ~ Brilliant pumping up Nuge so that he can finally reach 50 pts and have some trade value ~

  91. stush18 says:

    Surrey Oiler,

    I’ve been on the LB train since his first great yr yr in the AHL.

    I don’t know how you could conclude he isn’t an nhl backup. He’s the right age, he’s down the time at lower levels, put up solid numbers, and played very well the last few games.

    What we really need to know is how good can he be, and do we need to sign a an eventual Talbot replacement?

  92. Pouzar says:

    Surrey Oiler: LOL, still not a fan of LB 1 bit, but I love my Oilers and never want them injured…looks like Talbot should be back soon, but I’m still hoping that Chia addresses the back up role asap, and LB is not an option

    Both from Surrey…did he steal yer girlfriend?

  93. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Been talking a lot about Karlson (Eric). Ottawa may not be able to afford him, I’m thinking $10m. A season until he’s dead. Sooooo, any trade would have to include cap relief. They can’t afford a Norris winner at $10m bit might be able to squeeze in a big center at $8.5m. And a young cost controlled dedender.

    I do Drai, Klef/Nurse and this years 1st. Hell even next years too.

    Trading for a player like Karlson would be one level down from trading McDavid. If you have an opportunity for another game changer, you pull that trigger all day long.

    I honestly think we should all stop talking about the oilers getting him.
    Cause with our luck, Calgary will get him… seeing as they seem to acquire anyone this blog seems to covet…

  94. doritogrande says:

    Isn’t there a rule about the amount of vets you can stuff in the “A”?
    I think we are there.

    Stuff as many as you like down there, but you can only play 5 per game.

    Unrelated, can someone please provide fancy stats on Ceci? I’m uneducated, but think he’s look amazing next to Nurse on a shut-down pair. With the vultures swirling around Ottawa’s corpse everyone’s looking for Hoffman or Karlsson but I think I’d rather have the young RHD, and I’d be willing to part with a package centered around Jones.

  95. jtblack says:

    Jethro Tull,

    “I do Drai, Klef/Nurse and this years 1st. Hell even next years too”

    I do NOT.

  96. Pouzar says:

    jtblack:
    Jethro Tull,

    “I do Drai, Klef/Nurse and this years 1st. Hell even next years too”

    I do NOT.

    +1

  97. OmJo says:

    Dino:
    Puljujarvi makes me so happy. The whole fan base rallies for the kid. We all just want to see him blossom haha

    Not many unifying factors in the team this season, nice to see

  98. zatch says:

    doritogrande,

    They aren’t good. I think he’s being played over his head and would be acceptable as a #5, maybe a #4 if his #3 is quite strong, but the cost to get him out of Ottawa will be stupid because they overvalue the hell out of him (won’t scratch him, second in icetime). Melynk is obsessed with Local Boys Making Good. Crap owner.

  99. Jethro Tull says:

    jtblack:
    Jethro Tull,

    “I do Drai, Klef/Nurse and this years 1st. Hell even next years too”

    I do NOT.

    Don’t then. See if I care.

    If there’s even a sniff of a player like Karlson, you go all out.

    But then I forget…..we fall in love with our players.

    “Wh….wh…..what if Klef or Nurse turn out to be really good in 3yrs time?”

  100. dustrock says:

    doritogrande,

    Haven’t looked at the fancies but I’ve heard nothing but complaints about Ceci and the rest of the D corps (non-Karlsson category) for the entire year.

  101. jtblack says:

    Jethro Tull,

    Karlsson is a Great player. IMO you dont build a team with 2 – $12 Mil players. Karlsson will be 28. How many Elite years does he have left? He would get an 8 yr contract. Look at Seabrooks contract (anchor) .

    With Drai, Nurse/Klef and both 1st rounders; all the best years are ahead. I believes Karlsson will slowly start trending down.

  102. Bag of Pucks says:

    godot10:
    McLellan nearly lost the season by taking over a quarter of it to deploy his forwards sensibly.It took him a while to deploy his defensemen sensibly also.The special teams have been awful.He only got around to Puljujarvi as a last resort when nearly all was lost.l

    The coach is a major culprit in the miserable start to the season.

    True dat. That and Talbot’s disappointing play.

  103. npanciroli says:

    For me the trade would need to be something like:

    Drai + Klefbom/Nurse + 1st for Karlsson + Hoffman

    Not even close for Ottawa but the salary on Karlsson’s next contract plus you can’t gut the team too much I would need that to bite.

    Hoffman McDavid Puljujarvi
    Lucic RNH Cammaleri
    Maroon Strome Slepyshev
    Khaira Letestu Kassian

    Nurse Karlsson
    Sekera Larsson
    Russell Benning/Davidson

    something like that. It even still doesn’t quite fit due to age issue of Hoffman and Karlsson and Nuge contract eventually ending.

  104. Material pocession says:

    Jethro Tull: Don’t then. See if I care.

    If there’s even a sniff of a player like Karlson, you go all out.

    But then I forget…..we fall in love with our players.

    “Wh….wh…..what if Klef or Nurse turn out to be really good in 3yrs time?”

    Not concerned about that nasty ankle injury affecting him long term? I would think that it would impair his mobility going forward. Don’t get me wrong, he’s amazing and I would love him on the Oilers but you need to be careful giving up those kinds of assets for him. And his next contract has massive risk attached to it now (i.e. that injury might see him decline more rapidly than if he was healthy).

  105. russ99 says:

    Really liking the Lucic – McDavid – Puljujarvi line lately.

    Anyone can get chances off the rush with McDavid, but this group is putting in the hard work and getting chances off the cycle too. Often after getting chances off the rush first.

    Lets not break up what’s finally working to force things on the rush.

  106. OmJo says:

    Jethro Tull,

    Karlsson feeding McDavid stretch passes would be a dream come true.

    That takes us over the edge, even if it means losing Draisaitl. This team becomes a lot more fun to watch.

    Nothing against Draisaitl but he’s just not the same calibre of player as Karlsson.

    The Senators would be stupid to trade him. Why do Canadian hockey teams struggle to retain their stars for the duration of their careers?

  107. Thinker says:

    That’s one interesting thing I’ve noticed is that nee school coaches work super hard watching film, explaining concepts in the easiest way to understand, looking through numbers to find tendencies, etc. Whereas old school coaches often ignore technology completely and somehow still find success. There was a football study in the cfl that I heard about through the grape vine awhile ago about when a team on a short week plays a team with more time off, they were significantly more likely to win. I think there is often too much overthinking, and you just have to let players play for the most part. Hockey moreso than football because it lacks the structure of plays, thus lending itself to more improvisation like basketball.

  108. OmJo says:

    Material pocession,

    The injury is a fair concern. And him wanting out (and big bucks) should, in theory, lower his value a bit. Not many teams will be able to fit his alleged next contract.

  109. russ99 says:

    doritogrande:
    Isn’t there a rule about the amount of vets you can stuff in the “A”?
    I think we are there.

    Stuff as many as you like down there, but you can only play 5 per game.

    Unrelated, can someone please provide fancy stats on Ceci? I’m uneducated, but think he’s look amazing next to Nurse on a shut-down pair. With the vultures swirling around Ottawa’s corpse everyone’s looking for Hoffman or Karlsson but I think I’d rather have the young RHD, and I’d be willing to part with a package centered around Jones.

    Plus the 50 contracts rule, which we’re at 50.

    I never understood why Tambellini and MacT was so gunshy about the waiver wire. If a guy can’t cut it, send him down and if someone claims him on waivers, we get his 50 man spot back.

  110. Pouzar says:

    dustrock:
    doritogrande,

    Haven’t looked at the fancies but I’ve heard nothing but complaints about Ceci and the rest of the D corps (non-Karlsson category) for the entire year.

    He’s runnin at 44.8 CF% (-5.6% rel) 5 on 5 Close.

    Last year he was -7.1 and -5.9 the year before that.

  111. Surrey Oiler says:

    Pouzar: Both from Surrey…did he steal yer girlfriend?

    Lollll nope, I just cringe in fear every shot that heads his way…the Calgary game scarred me 🙁

  112. thehop says:

    OmJo,

    Colour me confused.

    I read the brilliant wood guy article. Twice.

    I can’t figure out why you tagged me.

    Pray tell good man. Or woman.

    I don’t know you

  113. Oilin4 says:

    JimmyV1965:
    Torts is an interesting coach.He’s obviously smart. His track record of success on multiple teams proves that. Yet he doesn’t watch tape of other teams. WTF. Dubynsky was running around all game going after Oiler players and Foligno was doing the same thing in the third period. (At least Foligno was playing hockey the first two periods. Not so much in the third) So with the score 6-2 and out of reach, what does he do? He puts Dubynsky and Foligno on the same line. I’m not sure if he double shifted them for the final few minutes of the game, but they definitely had extra shifts and were out there for a long time. Maybe if he watched some tape he would have understood there would be a response from the Oilers. In my books, he encouraged his players to run around and goon it up and one of them got hurt because of it.

    This…

  114. Pouzar says:

    Surrey Oiler: Lollll nope, I just cringe in fear every shot thatheads his way…the Calgary game scarred me

    ha ha! Well there would be no shame in him stealing your girlfriend.
    LB is dreamy!

  115. thehop says:

    Dicky94,

    My junior coach told me the same thing the first time I earned a broken nose.

    It really is good advice when it comes to fighting.

  116. Oilin4 says:

    gogliano: To some extent Edmonton can influence the point marker they need to hit by winning games against their competitors. 21 games to go against the 8 teams they are most immediately challenging (I still think Vegas can falter & EDM have 3 games against them):

    35 grouping, head to head games remaining
    SJS: 3
    Minn: 2
    Cal: 3
    Chi: 2
    Dal: 1

    33, 32, 30 (in order):
    Ana: 4
    Van: 3
    Col: 3

    One way to look at it is that there are probably 3 spots open in the Pacific, with LAK in.Vegas is a clear leader and Edmonton is clear trailer.But we still have 3 games against every team, save Anaheim where we have 4.Our record in these remaining 16 games can still shape the Pacific race.

    Running out of track but we do control our destiny.

    This is our hope. McDavid running well and reinforcements coming back just in time to play these guys.

    Also, these guys will be playing each other. Best thing to happen is one of them to run away with 2nd place torpedoing everyone but EDM.

    Also, LAK are going to falter, but should get in regardless. 4th place team in West may have a soft(er) 1st round opponent.

    I’ll say this, if the Oil get in to the 4th or 3rd spot in Pacific and draw a Pacific team, I’d favor them to come out of the bracket (if healthy).

  117. thehop says:

    Oilin4,

    I honestly don’t think many teams react that way out east.

    A guy like Foligno or Dubinsky would be perennial IR candidates with broken eye sockets or concussions if they played out West.

    I laugh at the thought of those two being tough guys in the Metro division.

  118. Oilin4 says:

    fuzzy muppet:
    Might be a bit chippy next time these teams meet

    In anticipation, Oilers dress Gryba and our third pairing gets fed again.

  119. blainer says:

    This team WILL contend for the playoff’s if we can stay healthy. Tabs will regress back to his old numbers as I believe he is an NHL goaltender.

    A strong dose of health is what this team needs coupled with lots of man games lost from our playoff competition. Anaheim has been hit pretty hard this year and there are more injuries already happening to other teams. Lets hope when we play our opponents they are are missing key players during our race back to the top.

    If this team DOES make it to the playoffs which I predict they will if healthy, we will be the one team other teams will not want to face in the opening round as we will be most likely the hottest team in the league heading into the playoffs.

    I feel the two most important upgrades that could bring us the cup this year.

    – A stronger backup. LB just looks off to me despite the great road trip he had.

    – A forward PK specialist.

  120. GMB3 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – Remember the whole: Chia was a moron because he got rid of all our scoring, and we needed vets

    – Our 5×5 scoring is tied with Washington for 6th, and we are a few goals from being top-3

    – The whole premise on Jagr was that we needed secondary scoring.Jagr has scored 1 goal

    – Jagr, he is riding a crazy PDO (106), and he’s out of games as often as Sleppy (who has a better CF%, and isn’t as zone protected), who also has 1 goal

    – The narrative about Chia not doing enough for secondary scoring was just wrong in hindsight.he’s not a moron for trusting his internal options first.

    – The organization has flushed out or benched for not scoring: Caggs, Pak, Joki, Kailer

    – Others have stepped up: Pool and Jar-Jar (with Sleppy trying to stay healthy)

    – If you brought in more vets as some advocated, or traded early in season, you wouldn’t be putting Pool in the the place he is.Jar wouldn’t be getting as many reps.

    – This was Chia’s plan IMO.He gave his internal guys the right opportunities. Good thing he did

    You bang the drum on your own narrative just as much as Cassandra.

    Remember when Jordan’s Eberle was rendered expendable because of his inability to score in games “that mattered”?

    How many of our goals have come in blow out games? What place are we in in the standings? I know this point will be annoyed so you can troll out you’re inability to criticize the errors of this organization.

    Does TMac get credit for moving to three lines months after he should have? A coach who isn’t mediocre figures that out sooner.

    I know this doesn’t fit your narrative, but a lot of this even strength scoring has come in blow out wins. The kind of “meaningless” goals that Eberle got ripped for. The same argument you are desperate in promoting about Mclellan and Chia should go both ways.

    Logical narrative spinning isn’t on the agenda though.

  121. v4ance says:

    The exuberance here after last night’s win is palpable and over the top.

    After 3 good games, people are proclaiming Chia’s plan is working and everything is fixed.

    I feel the need to provide a more sober assessment.

    Some people are concluding that the powerplay is fixed but it’s not despite the results last night. Nuge’s goal was a result of more motion in the PP formation which is an improvement. Lucic’s goal was off the rush following a 5 bell shorthanded chance in the Oilers’ zone and not a result of improved positional play. Our PP shouldn’t have to trade high danger chances to score. We have good possession on our PPs based on the shot data but we are not generating the high danger opportunities (one-timers/tips/rebounds) that a consistently successful PP needs.

    Broissoit lets in one iffy goal per game. That was the margin of error in the Toronto game but it didn’t matter last night. Based on his NHL career save percentage, he’s around 0.900 and tracking to be an AHL-NHL tweener after 600 shots. GMoney and Woodguy showed that goalies can be roughly categorized after 1000 shots. I think we need to get Ellis some starts soon to start building up his resume because I don’t believe Broissoit can be a long term solution.

    Woodguy posted Davidson’s stats on twitter when we re-acquired him. Davidson shouldn’t have been available because he was generating good possession numbers even compared to other Habs D-men but was getting run over by the PDO pony (think of him like the anti-Russell 2016). Buffalo should never have passed on their waiver claim but it’s obvious the Sabers are not making good decisions or looking at the right data. Other people’s incompetence is our gain, thankfully.

    Secondary scoring is now occurring but it took 2 months of struggle before McLellan split up McDavid and Draisaitl to spread the skill onto 2 different lines. Many of us were begging for the change from the start of the season and stubbornness of the coaching staff held out for too long. The subtraction of Jokinen and Pak along with the addition of Cammalleri and the return to health of Slepyshev also helped the bottom 6 gain traction.

    The errors made in the first two months by the coaches and GM may have already doomed the team to missing the playoffs. I’m enjoying the thrill of watching this team play at a high level for the last 3 games but I’m realistic in feeling like they can’t sustain this for the rest of the season. Just to sneak into the playoffs, the Oilers literally need to be one of the top 5 teams in the NHL from now til season’s end. McDavid WILL fulfill his part of the bargain but there’s no guarantee of a return to form of the goaltending or of the special teams.

  122. Pouzar says:

    Jack Michaels (@EdmontonJack) · Twitter

    https://twitter.com/EdmontonJack

    17 days ago, EDM sat 27th in goals per game…has scored 27 goals in its last five wins (20 in previous three) to climb into a tie for 12th.

  123. digger50 says:

    The kool aid is overflowing today. Enjoy while we can of course, it may not last, but then again it just may be the turning point.

    Those trying to say “I love Peter and I told you so…” okay already.

    Brossoit played much better, but I don’t think he is here next season. They had to back him of course, but doubt that will last through the summer.

    I’m really happy they picked up Davidson.

  124. blainer says:

    Was curious to check Calgary’s turn around last year.

    Calgary’s record Oct 2016 … 5-8 November 7-9 .. Record for Oct and Nov 2016 12 -17

    Oilers record after Oct Nov 2017 .. 10- 16

    Very similar records and we all know how Calgary recovered last year.

    Now Calgary went on to have a six game win streak in December and ended up going 10-4 for DEC.

    A five to eight game winning streak is needed Now ..

    Calgary also went on to have another 10-4 month in Feb.

    Folks we are not out of it by any means but we need wins and we need them in a row starting from last night.

    I really believe this has a great possibility of happening because ———– Connor McDavid !!

  125. nelson88 says:

    Recent history Oilers have tended to play down to their competition.

    Last year they appeared to turn a corner but have reverted back to bad habits this season.

    December schedule is no walk in the park but one of the quirks in their favour is they play a significant number of games where the opponent is playing back to back after Calgary or Vancouver. Should mean a tired opponent and back up goalie but Oilers have to resist making them look like Curtis McElhinney.

  126. who says:

    JimmyV1965: I think I might come off as a Benning hater here, but I’m really not. I’m cheering for him to become a good player. However, I’ve seen zero growth in this player since he was hurt last year. I know the narrative is that Benning played well in the playoffs, but I thought him and Nurse were bad in the playoffs. Nurse has become arguably our best dman now and Benning, not so much. If you can trade him later for a pick, that’s a huge victory.

    I think we are on the same page with this player.
    It’s only his second pro season so we can expect some ups and downs. He has had some good games this year but he has had some real stinkers as well. Overall he just seems panicky to me right now. He looked more poised before the injury last year.
    I think a lot of people fell in love with his fancystats from last year, and the fact that he shot right which apparently trumps everything else, and immediately projected him as a top four guy.
    The thing is, his physical tools are very average, which doesn’t leave him much margin for error. He’s got to bring his A game every night or he just gets run over. And we’ve seen a lot of that this year.

  127. Oilman99 says:

    I they can maintain the pace of play exhibited in the last three games, it should be an interesting ride for the rest of the year.

  128. Thinker says:

    Shout out to Khaira who couldn’t even put up a ppg in his draft+2 in junior. He has turned himself into a possible top 9 piece from a borderline 4th line prospect. Good on him.

  129. LMHF#1 says:

    Glad to see the team (hopefully) getting on track.

    The thing is – they could play the rest of the season and lose only 5 games the whole time – doesn’t mean this start ever had any business happening.

  130. McSorley33 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    I think Chia needs to be given props: Great D pick-ups. Moving quickly to replace Joki with Cami

    – Cheap Auvitu, Davidson, Gryba, rather than give up assets waiting for Sek to come back

    – Not giving up assets and forcing McL to play LB.

    – Jagr, with his 1 goal, and his 106 PDO you take Sleppy all day, same CF%, and not as zone start protected. One vet Jokin then Cami: that was a smart GM move

    – Jagr would have been so so bad, based on results year to date: Pool, Sleppy, Jar, even Kailer: they needed reps.

    – Yes it has taken the team longer to gel than we thought, but this team last while, that’s the vision that Chia had. He didn’t panic, he let them figure out – that’s why he built the roster this way

    – I think McL need to be given props: over time, he lett the incumbents lose out, and he’s coached up Benning, Nurse, Jar Jar, and Pool. He went to 3 lines, and team has bought in

    – That’s what a good coach does: give the incumbents some time to sort it out, then move on: no panic moves: that’s how you get the team to buy in

    – Believing in LB: that’s what a winner coach and organization does: you believe in the process, and don’t give the message that 5 years of development is out the window in 5 games. All the players see this, and understand that they are given a fair shake and respect

    – Coach has this team imposing their will more often.

    – This was the vision for the team at the beginning of the year. Sure it took awhile, and injuries, and all-time worst puck luck, but the PP looked awesome yesterday, the PK awesome.

    – McL and Chia: ,they have a vision, and will be appraised on their execution: they didn’t panic, they have coached up the team, our drafting has been strong, we have a lot of internal solutions that developed, and we are seeing the fruits of this labour and vision for how to build a team.

    – Anyway, this playing as a team: if you want to blame the poor start on the coach and management, you have to give them credit for how they are now imposing their will more often.

    – They aren’t out of it

    *****************************************************************************************************
    I am as glad as you are we have been playing well Kinger.

    But we are 28th in a 31 team league with a generational player.

    PC has been *burning* up the phone lines looking for a goalie and other help…

    Amazing what Khaira can do when he is allowed to play.

    PC does get full props for bringing back the drafted and developed Davidson.

  131. McSorley33 says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    Early days, but one thing that’s stood out for me with JP on Connor’s wing is Jesse’s ability to make play in small spaces, especially his ability to play the puck to McDavid in stride.
    *******************************************************************************************************
    This.

    And I keep noticing JP on the foreccheck with his 10 foot stick….this kid produces lots of pressure

  132. BONE207 says:

    JD_Sigh: Well I’m no sigh-cologist, but I’d say we’re a bipolar bunch.

    Except for Woodguy. He’s buy poplar.

    This has to be the thread winner…NO???

  133. Thinker says:

    I’m not bipolar. I still think we are effed, chia screwed us, etc., but it’s a moot point now.

  134. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    BONE207: This has to be the thread winner…NO???

    Let me get back to you on that … have to clean up after trying to drink and laugh at the same time.

    Okay, back now.

    ++1.

  135. docweb says:

    Daily reader. Rare poster.

    I would like to express my dismay at the apparent departure of Original Pouzar. I loved to start my mornings with a little bit of optimism with his posts and a cup of coffee. I am more than just a little annoyed that he seems to have gone away from these parts thanks to a few Negative Nancies (who drove him to distraction).

    Bad, bad trade.

    If he indeed is gone, like many other previous excellent posters here, it is a damn shame.

  136. OilClog says:

    Neither the coaches or GM deserve any props because of 3 games, if they can do this for the next two months and the GM brings in a few pieces, while the coach deploys his roster properly.. then it’s give them props time for the early 2 month shitting of the Icebeds.

    Davidson is pushing Benning out the door, fucking Russell contract kills everything.

    Lucic is producing while Maroon has fallen a few steps behind, have Maroon and Drai tied together while giving Nuge, The Maharajah.

  137. Bling says:

    v4ance,

    I’d like to respond to your bit on Brossoit, because I think G. Money’s article is being misrepresented a bit.

    https://oilersnerdalert.wordpress.com/2015/06/20/goalies-are-not-voodoo-if-they-make-it-to-60-or-so-nhl-games/

    That article by G. Money says that only 43 goalies have made it to 1300 EV shots (that is when save percentage starts to stabilize) since 2005. He says that if a goalie makes it to that level, he will almost certainly have a career (only exception out of the 43 was Jeff Deslauriers).

    If you look at that actual histogram plot of the difference between save percentage at 1300 EV shots against to the rest of their career, though, there is a decent amount of variance even at that point.

    Four improved their save percentage by >10 points.
    Another 10 improved by 5-10 points.

    So 35% of the sample actually improved after 1300 EV saves.

    Brossoit right now is at .901 career at 657 SA (all situations). Before this season, Brossoit was a career .910. I really don’t think you can write the book on him yet. We’re only about halfway (I’m approximating EV shots, here; I don’t actually know where to find that data), and there’s still a decent amount of volatility in save percentage.

    I think that Brossoit is a pretty capable goalie. Athletic, good reflexes, with good numbers in the AHL.

    I suspect a lot of his perceived shakiness is due to a lack of playing time. He has only appeared in 41 games (AHL and NHL combined) since the beginning of 2016.

  138. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Let’s all praise Peter for doing in-season what we begged him to do offseason!!

    They pissed away two months and probably the playoffs because he didn’t do these things in the summer.

    Yay Peter!!!

  139. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Let’s see what Wayne Gretzky has to say about team building:

    “You have to have a team. You have to have a second goaltender, you have to have six defencemen. Your fourth line has to be a factor in the game,” Gretzky said. “You can’t win with two good hockey players. If that was the case, Bobby Orr would have won 12 Stanley Cups, Gordie Howe would have won 15. You can’t win like that in hockey. Source: http://edmontonsun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/edmonton-oilers/wayne-gretzky-understands-pressure-on-current-crop-of-edmonton-oilers

    Huh.

    I detect a couple of not so subtle jabs at the current GM.

    I’m on Wayne’s side here.

  140. Bag of Pucks says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Let’s all praise Peter for doing in-season what we begged him to do offseason!!

    They pissed away two months and probably the playoffs because he didn’t do these things in the summer.

    Yay Peter!!!

    What is it that’s he done in season that was so impactful it would’ve saved the season if done earlier?

    He traded Jokinen for Cammalleri, a lateral move. And Jokinen was celebrated as a good signing by those advocating for ‘proven’ roster upgrades.

    He claimed Davidson on waivers.

    Are you suggesting that had Chia claimed Davidson on waivers two months earlier this team would be in a playoff spot?

    I would suggest the bigger contributors have been 1) Talbot’s underwhelming sv. pct. 2) TMac’s roster deployment and atrocious PK, & 3) the collectively poor shooting percentages.

    Suggesting signings like Jagr, Franson etc. were the missing links that would put this team solidly in contention were weak arguments then and they’re getting weaker by the day as these fringe vets fade and the Oilers youth starts to emerge.

  141. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    docweb:
    Daily reader. Rare poster.

    I would like to express my dismay at the apparent departure of Original Pouzar.I loved to start my mornings with a little bit of optimism with his posts and a cup of coffee. I am more than just a little annoyed that he seems to have gone away from these parts thanks to a few Negative Nancies (who drove him to distraction).

    Bad, bad trade.

    If he indeed is gone, like many other previous excellent posters here, it is a damn shame.

    – Yeah I agree: OP he will be back I bet: sometimes we all need breaks. He’s one of the great ones

    – I would like to think he’s digging my optimism, while he fields big deals, works out and hate-lurks…

    – Yes we are 28th team, and this last 10 games doesn’t make a season: but I take the positives out of it, and believe we have turned a corner. this is the vision Chia had for the team IMO

    – It’s funny, I was for years a OBC basher: disgusted with MacT for years, called out Eakins on day 1

    – Sure Chia and McL could be better, but for the most part I’ve followed the rationale for what they did, and share the same vision. I think he did what he had to do, and in some cases bit the bullet

    – Sure I’d love if we could have traded Ebs for Larsson. Or Hall for Subban. But I get why he’s done what he’s done, I think he did it with eye’s open, rather than being an idiot

    – We’d love if he got McD to sign for $11MM, and Drai for $7. Russell was at least one year too long. His Griff trade was brutal. These are all less than optimal moves, where he burned some currency

    – Coach, he wasn’t a believer in the three C’s on 3 lines. His PP and PK sucked for a long time

    – He was stubborn with Kailer

    – His goalie was brutal and rather than give LB the chance, he stuck with him

    – But if he coaches more games where we impose our will like this last stretch and our heat maps stay strong, and our possession dominates: I’m on board. I wondered loudly how we could be so good at the things that we hold dear, yet not get results.

    – It was all blamed on the coach and GM: the first 2/3rds of season have been awful. This third better: keep up the good work, and I will cheer-lead accordingly

    – We will see: I bet this streak is more indicative of where the team is than the first 20 games

    – Results matter: we are a 28th team, with an awesome collection of talent: time to impose our will

  142. Side says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Let’s all praise Peter for doing in-season what we begged him to do offseason!!

    They pissed away two months and probably the playoffs because he didn’t do these things in the summer.

    Yay Peter!!!

    He’s so dreamy. And have you seen his tracksuit? *swoon*

  143. v4ance says:

    Bling,

    I agree with you that the story’s not written in stone on Broissoit but I’m not enamoured with his performance to date. He could rise to the level of a regular NHL goalie at around 0.910 career save percentage but he needs to be ~0.930 for the next 300 shots to get there.

    I guess my point is that I’m not giving up on him but I believe a wise manager should hedge his bets.

    Especially in the absence of Talbot, we should try out other options to see if we can find a better solution. Based on his usage, it just seems that management has annointed LB as the backup and the coach isn’t flexible enough to put in Ellis for even a small test drive. They’re treating Ellis like he’s the “Emergency guy from the AHL” and not a viable option to start an NHL game over Broissoit.

    I didn’t view Broissoit in junior and I haven’t read any scouting reports on him. My “inexperienced ” eye test says he leaks goals from low percentage areas. He may be athletic but I haven’t seen him scramble much to feel like that’s a strength. The puck generally seems to hit him or it goes by him. To me, it just feels like he’s trying to rely on his size and positioning all the time.

  144. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Let’s see what Wayne Gretzky has to say about team building:

    “You have to have a team. You have to have a second goaltender, you have to have six defencemen. Your fourth line has to be a factor in the game,” Gretzky said. “You can’t win with two good hockey players. If that was the case, Bobby Orr would have won 12 Stanley Cups, Gordie Howe would have won 15. You can’t win like that in hockey.
    Huh.

    I detect a couple of not so subtle jabs at the current GM.

    I’m on Wayne’s side here.

    – I’m on Wayne’s side too, I think you read it wrong: he’s calling out the old regime, big time: he’s giving props to the GM: 6 D +, a team, 4rth line production, believed in LB. Subtle jabs to OBC

    1) ” You have to have a second goaltender” : meaning good on GM/coach to see if LB fits that role.

    2) “Your fourth line has to be a factor in the game”: which is why Chia punted Pak, bench Gaggs after giving him rope, Jar Jar played well, then they promoted him, now Sleppy is there, and Letetsu and Kassian are doing better

    3) “you have to have six defencemen”: which is why Chia had Larsson, Sek, Klef, Nurse, Benning, Russell, Gryba, added Aivitu, added Davidson (9,), which is why Hall was traded for a D

    4) “You have to have a team”: so as part of the 6 D, trading Hall was part of building a team, and having 6 D. A shot on departed players who weren’t “a team”

    5) “You can’t win with two good hockey players” – if that wasn’t a shot at MacT, and the OBC I don’t know what is: He had one stud in Hall, and complimentary players in Ebs and RNH. We didn’t have enough good players: Chia changed that. McD and Drai have a whole roster of bona-fide players

    – My take-away was this team will grow stronger as they encounter the bumps in the road, and Gretz was drawing a parallel to his team and this team.

  145. treevojo says:

    docweb:
    Daily reader. Rare poster.

    I would like to express my dismay at the apparent departure of Original Pouzar.I loved to start my mornings with a little bit of optimism with his posts and a cup of coffee. I am more than just a little annoyed that he seems to have gone away from these parts thanks to a few Negative Nancies (who drove him to distraction).

    Bad, bad trade.

    If he indeed is gone, like many other previous excellent posters here, it is a damn shame.

    We already have one POUZAR fer fuck sakes.

    If we are going to put a call out for a missIing poster give me some god damn CHACHI!

  146. frjohnk says:

    Gretzky will be the GM when Chia gets fired into the sun

    EDIT: Pretty sure Cap Space will be strapped to the rocket as well

  147. Jethro Tull says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Let’s all praise Peter for doing in-season what we begged him to do offseason!!

    They pissed away two months and probably the playoffs because he didn’t do these things in the summer.

    Yay Peter!!!

    I feel this unfair in two ways:

    1.) Chia bet on Talbot being able to be at least league average. He was not. He bet on players to produce at last year’s rates. They did not. If he did anything wrong is that he bet on too many of them, and too many of them turned out to be outliers. Also, he should have got coverage for Seksy.

    2.) When you write like this, it makes me feel belittled. As people are allowed to talk Chia down and point out his flaws, so people can point out what he’s done well. I like him even though I could happily strangle him sometimes.

    You are a very intelligent and articulate poster. C’mon Woodsy, you’re better than this.

  148. VOR says:

    Thinking About the Draft – Part Two

    So in part 1 I made the point that the differences between elite players available in a single draft year is usually very small. But the number of elite players in any year is at best small. The odds of getting one fall precipitously as the draft progresses. See this brilliant piece by Scott Cullen as proof.

    https://www.tsn.ca/statistically-speaking-nhl-draft-pick-value-1.786131

    In 1981 four of the five elite players were gone by pick 15 OV. The other lasted to pick 40.

    Does that mean teams should just stop drafting after round 2?

    The answer is no, for reasons I am about to demonstrate.

    But first, I see the draft in very different terms from Mr. Cullen. I think of it as an opera. There are Main Role Singers, their are Chorus Singers, and there are Spear Carriers (seen but usually not heard).

    The Main Roles go to the elite hockey players and they are such unique talents they are hard to miss in a draft. The odd one gets missed and we will talk later about why that happens in future posts. Similarly sometimes people think a player is elite when they are aren’t and we will discuss that later as well. But for now lets focus on the concept that the elites tend to be in very limited supply and go early. So as a casting director for the Opera you make sure you get to pick early from all the auditioning singers, before the good ones are gone.

    The Chorus (between 30 and 50 players depending on the draft year) are far harder to spot. It is easy to tell they aren’t Main Role Voices but very hard to rank them against each other. And a great Opera is built around having the best possible chorus. What LT calls balance works in operas as well. They are hard to spot because the differences between chorus members and spear carriers is smaller than the difference between Main Role Singers and Chorus members. And their are a lot of spear carriers.

    In 1981 5 guys were drafted who went on to the Hall of Fame. 34 more players were drafted who had careers that lasted longer than the NHL average for the time. 75 others, the spear carriers, were drafted, made the NHL, but had shorter than average careers for the time.

    Why do the chorus members matter – because with a great deal of regularity they are found after the 2nd round. Again, I will come back later to why this is so. For now I am just going to demonstrate that it is.

    In 1981 lets say you had ten draft picks like every other team (there were 10 rounds) but your first pick was at the top of the third round and you have also had the first three picks in the sixth round. What sort of team could you assemble.

    Mike Vernon (3rd) and John Vanbeisbrouck (4th) in goal, Bruce Driver (5th), Steve Smith (6th), and Tom Kurvers (7th) on D, Gaetan Duchene (6th), Gerard Gallant (6th), Petri Skriko (8th), Scott Bjugstad (9th) Dave Hannan (10th). That is over 7000 games worth of above replacement level NHL talent.

    How about if we did it again except this time we use the 2003 draft? We have 9 picks including three in the 5th. We are going to make some highly idiosyncratic choices starting with Joe Pavelski in the 3rd, Kyle Quincey in the 4th, Dustin Byfuglien, Tobias Enstrom, and Lee Stempniak in the 5th, Marc Methot in the 6th, Kyle Brodziak in the 7th, Jaroslav Halak in the 8th and Brian Elliott in the 9th. That is the backbone of a pretty good NHL team.

    Obviously being able to pick out the chorus members from the spear carriers and the never will be is a critical scouting task. The question is how do you improve your odds? That is the subject of post 3.

  149. Thinker says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – I’m on Wayne’s side too, I think you read it wrong: he’s calling out the old regime, big time: he’s giving props to the GM: 6 D +, a team, 4rth line production, believed in LB. Subtle jabs to OBC

    1) ” You have to have a second goaltender” : meaning good on GM/coach to see if LB fits that role.

    2) “Your fourth line has to be a factor in the game”: which is why Chia punted Pak, bench Gaggs after giving him rope, Jar Jar played well, then they promoted him, now Sleppy is there, and Letetsu and Kassian are doing better

    3) “you have to have six defencemen”: which is why Chia had Larsson, Sek, Klef, Nurse, Benning, Russell, Gryba, added Aivitu, added Davidson (9,), which is why Hall was traded for a D

    4) “You have to have a team”: so as part of the 6 D, trading Hall was part of building a team, and having 6 D.A shot on departed players who weren’t “a team”

    5) “You can’t win with two good hockey players” – if that wasn’t a shot at MacT, and the OBC I don’t know what is: He had one stud in Hall, and complimentary players in Ebs and RNH.We didn’t have enough good players: Chia changed that.McD and Drai have a whole roster of bona-fide players

    – My take-away was this team will grow stronger as they encounter the bumps in the road, and Gretz was drawing a parallel to his team and this team.

    Should have mentioned that you need two top 6 RW, and some responsible third liners to go along with that 4th line. We are closer than we were, but we are still missing a lot of pieces. That’s why we are here.

  150. jtblack says:

    docweb,

    It is a shame if a Poster chooses to leave BUT as LT always says; he loves to hear all opinions; even disenting ones. Having a different point of view is not a bad thing. It makes for interesting debate and can open the mind.

    Maybe I missed some commentary? and I dont condone any form of bullying, but I like mixed opinion and ideology from a broad range of Fans.

    OP always labelled Benson as a “SUBSTANTIAL” prospect. Every time I read it, I laughed. Not in a good way or a bad way; in a respectful way.

    Maybe he is on Holidays.

    Hope to see you soon OP.

  151. Scungilli Slushy says:

    texmex:
    Dustylegnd,

    Aaron Portzline‏Verified account
    @Aportzline10m10 minutes ago
    More
    #CBJ Brandon Dubinsky has a fractured cheek/orbital bone around left eye, which is badly swollen. Stitches above and below the eye. Not sure if surgery is required. Club has made no comment.

    That was one wicked straight left. Dubinsky went protective asap. Kassian needs to mentor JJ on the finer points. He took some big ones, hope he’s ok

  152. Scungilli Slushy says:

    VOR:
    Thinking About the Draft – Part Two

    So in part 1 I made the point that the differences between elite players available in a single draft year is usually very small. But the number of elite players in any year is at best small. The odds of getting one fall precipitously as the draft progresses. See this brilliant piece by Scott Cullen as proof.

    https://www.tsn.ca/statistically-speaking-nhl-draft-pick-value-1.786131

    In 1981 four of the five elite players were gone by pick 15 OV. The other lasted to pick 40.

    Does that mean teams should just stop drafting after round 2?

    The answer is no, for reasons I am about to demonstrate.

    But first, I see the draft in very different terms from Mr. Cullen. I think of it as an opera. There are Main Role Singers, their are Chorus Singers, and there are Spear Carriers (seen but usually not heard).

    The Main Roles go to the elite hockey players and they are such unique talents they are hard to miss in a draft. The odd one gets missed and we will talk later about why that happens in future posts. Similarly sometimes people think a player is elite when they are aren’t and we will discuss that later as well. But for now lets focus on the concept that the elites tend to be in very limited supply and go early. So as a casting director for the Opera you make sure you get to pick early from all the auditioning singers, before the good ones are gone.

    The Chorus (between 30 and 50 players depending on the draft year) are far harder to spot. It is easy to tell they aren’t Main Role Voices but very hard to rank them against each other. And a great Opera is built around having the best possible chorus. What LT calls balance works in operas as well. They are hard to spot because the differences between chorus members and spear carriers is smaller than the difference between Main Role Singers and Chorus members. And their are a lot of spear carriers.

    In 1981 5 guys were drafted who went on to the Hall of Fame. 34 more players were drafted who had careers that lasted longer than the NHL average for the time. 75 others, the spear carriers, were drafted, made the NHL, but had shorter than average careers for the time.

    Why do the chorus members matter – because with a great deal of regularity they are found after the 2nd round. Again, I will come back later to why this is so. For now I am just going to demonstrate that it is.

    In 1981 lets say you had ten draft picks like every other team (there were 10 rounds) but your first pick was at the top of the third round and you have also had the first three picks in the sixth round. What sort of team could you assemble.

    Mike Vernon (3rd) and John Vanbeisbrouck (4th) in goal, Bruce Driver (5th), Steve Smith (6th),and Tom Kurvers (7th) on D, Gaetan Duchene (6th), Gerard Gallant (6th), Petri Skriko (8th), Scott Bjugstad (9th) Dave Hannan (10th). That is over 7000 games worth of above replacement level NHL talent.

    How about if we did it again except this time we use the 2003 draft? We have 9 picks including three in the 5th. We are going to make some highly idiosyncratic choices starting with Joe Pavelski in the 3rd, Kyle Quincey in the 4th, Dustin Byfuglien, Tobias Enstrom, and Lee Stempniak in the 5th, Marc Methot in the 6th, Kyle Brodziak in the 7th, Jaroslav Halak in the 8th and Brian Elliott in the 9th. That is the backbone of a pretty good NHL team.

    Obviously being able to pick out the chorus members from the spear carriers and the never will be is a critical scouting task. The question is how do you improve your odds? That is the subject of post 3.

    I’m going to guess no fatal flaws, and mitigating factors such as usage.

  153. deardylan says:

    As usual I typed my search “original” to see what OP posted and today no postings by him–only his friends and fans saying they miss his contributions and miss him.

    Love the love!

    I expect Original Pouzar will be back like McDavid was after his flu bug– stronger and more prolific than ever!

    Words become worlds.

    I apologise for anyone I was negative to on this board or hurt anyone indirectly by trying to be sarcastic or funny. Let me know if I ever do it again.

    I promise to do better in the future (and edit) before I press SEND.

    Dylan Ardan

  154. Scungilli Slushy says:

    I wouldn’t call Chiarelli’s bets on forwards ‘bets’. Let’s put current contracts aside, to do due diligence on emerging players it was critical to put them to the fire. How else would good decisions be made?

    These are early days of the McD cluster. We’d be howling if in a few years the team lacked support players that helped.

    This season could have started reasonably but didn’t and why would they think so many players would crap the bed? Actually he did talk about it and tried to prepare them for a mental letdown. But still Talbot being awful, sickness and a platoon of slumps happened.

    The one criticism I have is D , but who wants to sign on a team with more than 4 top 4’s when everyone is back? We don’t know the backstory. Who wants to sign at a critical career juncture and sit possibly?

    They have found 3 good wingers ( I include Slepy). Worth keeping. Strome has shown he can earn 3M, no more though, which is his resign minimum.

    So now I am conflicted because I want a low finish because I see this as a lost season and I want a lottery pick to really push things over moving forward.

  155. russ99 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Let’s all praise Peter for doing in-season what we begged him to do offseason!!

    They pissed away two months and probably the playoffs because he didn’t do these things in the summer.

    Yay Peter!!!

    Lol.

    I still think that a Davidson-like D wasn’t available for a one year contract in summer, this was a devoid FA batch of defensemen after Shattenkirk. And our semi-barren farm precluded trading picks, hence all the AHL signings.

    It’s fair to say Chia was more worried about next year’s cap and draft than the first half of this season, and he should have been worried about all of it.

    Also yay Coach McLellan for waiting 30 games to figure out that if we run our three centers on three lines, that’s better support for the wingers and some of them will improve.

  156. Lowetide says:

    I didn’t see any bullying and remind everyone that if you do see something out of line, or are being impacted by it, please use the contact button. I want this to be a fun, safe place where people can express opinions without worry of being intimidated.

  157. Mr. D. says:

    Guys getting a bit excited about Ov2. He gets burned a lot
    Remember the team is playing much better. Davidson is more steady. Gryba will go down but with his contract someone will likely pick him up. My guess is he wants out anyway so I sure it will work out for everyone. It’s not like he it’s bad. A team that can score needs a player who can play the PK and checking minutes.

  158. Surrey Oiler says:

    Mr. D.:
    Guys getting a bit excited about Ov2. He gets burned a lot
    Remember the team is playing much better. Davidson is more steady. Gryba will go down but with his contract someone will likely pick him up. My guess is he wants out anyway so I sure it will work out for everyone. It’s not like he it’s bad. A team that can score needs a player who can play the PK and checking minutes.

    If any GM has seen Gryba’s game this year, he won’t be touched on the waiver wire.

  159. Lloyd B. says:

    VOR,

    VOR What day was post one of this series. I missed it. Thanks

  160. AsiaOil says:

    Bling,

    I drop by to read ocassionally and almost never post – but this is an exception – because GMoney and W&O (dont think it was Woodguy but I could be wrong) had a lengthy debate a couple of years ago on using only small sample size SP numbers and nothing else to predict early career goalie future performance. It ended with a bet on a number of goalies using their model – and long story short – a coin flip was an equally good if not better predictor. Plus their model produced a number of real clunker predictions (e.g., they predicted that by end of 2016-2017 season, Ben Scrivens would be back to being an above average to elite NHL goalie with a .917 or above all sits, or .922 EV, adj sv%). So there is no evidence that early career SP can predict anything, and like a lot of hockey analysis, this approach sufffers from the quantitative fallacy (making predictions based solely on quantitative metrics and ignoring all other souces of information on the basis that these observations cannot be proven).

    As for LB……his numbers are poor and his technique is unfortunatley worse. He showed very poor tracking, rebound control and situational awareness again in the 3rd period against Columbus. He’s good in close but very poor at medium to low danger shots. Maybe they can fix this over time but he does not look like a naturally gifted goaltender at all to me. I’d move on but somebody likes him and perhaps they have a reason for this which I fail to see.

  161. digger50 says:

    <blockquote cite="comment

    Surrey Oiler: If any GM has seen Gryba’s game this year, he won’t be touched on the waiver wire.

    Hmmm, I know this is a popular narrative but Gryba has played well this year and his numbers back that up. Particularly when Klef and Benning we’re struggling.

    I’m happy Davy is here and that justifiably bumps Gryba down.

    I’d still keep Gryba forplayoffs when Benning and Russel get run over.

    Interesting previous poster – why do you feel Gryba wants out? I thought he felt Edmonton was Home?

  162. VOR says:

    Lloyd B.:
    VOR,

    VOR What day was post one of this series.I missed it.Thanks

    Monday in Heaven and Hell in the NHL.

  163. Side says:

    Lowetide:
    I didn’t see any bullying and remind everyone that if you do see something out of line, or are being impacted by it, please use the contact button. I want this to be a fun, safe place where people can express opinions without worry of being intimidated.

    Whatever, NERD!

    *steps on your glasses*

  164. nelson88 says:

    AsiaOil,

    Thanks for posting. Just yesterday I was wondering where the group’s resident goalie expert had gone.

    i don’t know shit but will light a candle and hope for the best with LB just like I did for JDD and Doobie. Go Oilers!

  165. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    digger50,

    – Yeah: 55% CF, CFrel 1.9%, played a few games last playoffs, clears the crease, cheap, right-handed, heart and soul all around good guy. He’s worth at least a 7th (or Lucic, pick your poison)

    – I’ve enjoyed the thread today: I’ve been a little OTT, but feel that is vogue to crap on Chia and McL:, and be all smarter than them.

    – Pointing out when things go right, it’s almost as if that means your a dumb homer, with no ability to reason. Sorry, Chia isn’t an idiot, and McL is a better coach than most.

    – If they get blamed for the slow start, why can’t they get credit for when things seems to be working?

  166. Munny says:

    treevojo: If we are going to put a call out for a missIing poster give me some god damn CHACHI!

    This plus a million.

  167. Lowetide says:

    Side: Whatever, NERD!

    *steps on your glasses*

    (Goes looking for contact Lowetide button, can’t see a damned thing)

  168. treevojo says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    digger50</

    – If they get blamed for the slow start, why can’t they get credit for when things seems to be working?

    Because none of the cool kids are doing it.

    Now get back in your locker till you are told you can come out.

  169. hunter1909 says:

    Surrey Oiler:
    Report: Blue Jackets’ Dubinsky has broken orbital bone

    Thank you Zack! I know it’s been mentioned on here b4, but I’m glad he gotten take care of, he and Foligno were running around last night with dirty tactics. Dubinsky has a checkered past from dirty hits vs Crosby. I don’t condone injury on someone, but Dubinsky deserves what he got!

    Also it sends a message to the other teams.

    When was the last time we saw Oilers pushed around? Chiarelli might screw up the odd trade, but he’s got Oilers looking like Murderer’s Row out there.

  170. hunter1909 says:

    AsiaOil: As for LB……his numbers are poor and his technique is unfortunatley worse. He showed very poor tracking, rebound control and situational awareness again in the 3rd period against Columbus. He’s good in close but very poor at medium to low danger shots. Maybe they can fix this over time but he does not look like a naturally gifted goaltender at all to me. I’d move on but somebody likes him and perhaps they have a reason for this which I fail to see.

    Unbelievable that he’s the 2nd choice if anything happens to the injured Talbot in the playoffs.

  171. Bling says:

    AsiaOil,

    The reason I brought up the article is that I had seen it cited a few times around here as a reason to move on from Brossoit.

    I agree that Brossoit is having some trouble with some of the medium range and long range shots. I also believe that no goalie is going to look all that impressive while sporting an .890 save percentage.

    Good goalies can struggle. Price has an .899 save percentage this year and Talbot is at .903. Bobrovsky put up an .898 in his second season with the Flyers (29 starts). Brossoit only has 26 games to his name as an NHLer and has put up a .901.

    As we saw over the previous three games, the guy can play. A .930+ save percentage on the road against three pretty potent offences is something to build on.

  172. deardylan says:

    Lowetide: (Goes looking for contact Lowetide button, can’t see a damned thing)

    🙂

    I looked up the song “Traction” and found many versions with that title. Which band/album?

  173. Lloyd B. says:

    VOR,

    CHEERS!

  174. stephen sheps says:

    AsiaOil,

    always nice to see you posting.

    Bling: I agree that Brossoit is having some trouble with some of the medium range and long range shots. I also believe that no goalie is going to look all that impressive while sporting an .890 save percentage.

    Good goalies can struggle. Price has an .899 save percentage this year and Talbot is at .903. Bobrovsky put up an .898 in his second season with the Flyers (29 starts). Brossoit only has 26 games to his name as an NHLer and has put up a .901.

    As we saw over the previous three games, the guy can play. A .930+ save percentage on the road against three pretty potent offences is something to build on.

    I get what you’re going for here, but the key is consistency. You’re talking about a small sample size within a larger small sample size.

    About 15 years ago, the Oilers had a goalie named Mike Morrison. He was not a particularly great goalie but he had strong numbers in small sample sizes in the Oilers’ farm system. In the short term he had one particular skill – the ability to come off the bench and win in shootouts. If data was available for his HD, MD and LD percentages, I’d trot it out, but I doubt anyone did that sort of deep dive or could extrapolate the numbers.

    I bring up MM as both a small sample size alert and to demonstrate that short term great play is not a guarantee of anything at all. See Hammond, Andrew as another, albeit different sort of test case since his numbers in the A weren’t inspiring either. MM only played a handful of games in the NHL after his 10 win season coming out of MacT’s goalie bullpen, winning once. Small sample sizes vs. consistency. Every goalie goes through slumps and cold streaks, but consistency is the key.

    I’d love to share your optimism about LB – heck, I shared it before his first call-up and loved the trade to get him for Ladi’s corpse (I still miss Smid – sorry LT), but while he’s looked good in spurts, the consistency is lacking as is the focus, especially with a lead.

  175. Johnny skid says:

    damn nice to see AsiaOil back!

  176. Lowetide says:

    deardylan: 🙂

    I looked up the song “Traction” and found many versions with that title.Which band/album?

    For once, it wasn’t named after a song. It was just the word that fit.

  177. Surrey Oiler says:

    hunter1909: Unbelievable that he’s the 2nd choice if anything happens to the injured Talbot in the playoffs.

    Absolutely blows my mind that LB is still our starting goalie, Chia could have and should have done better last summer in acquiring a better back up. Just look at the Canucks, only reason they are having the season they are is because of their tandem goaltending…our season is on the line and we got a AHL at back up at best, starting WTF

  178. Pouzar says:

    I miss Hall trade talk.

  179. stephen sheps says:

    Pouzar,

    You were so right about Nurse, Khaira, & Sleppy. Credit where it’s due my friend!

    Not directly crapping on you or anyone about LB – Not that my opinion matters at all (it doesn’t), but I won’t anoint him a quality backup until we see him play some more games, and play consistently from period to period in the games that he plays…

    and I don’t miss Hall trade talk at all, but admittedly I don’t come around as much anymore so I really don’t know how often that comes up these days. Lousy busy teaching schedule 🙁

  180. Ryan says:

    AsiaOil,

    A few things.

    One, Lowetide and I share a theory (I think, but apologize I’d I am misrepresenting anything) that the OBC have an agenda with Brossoit wanting him to succeed. I suspect to put a feather in Mact’s cap.

    Two. Great memory. I myself have argument amnesia, perhaps a coping strategy I’ve adopted for a successful marriage with my wife. I too now recall some fun arguments that I had with Gmoney about Scrivens. I vaguely recall my point something about an event horizon for save percentage…

    I think (have heard something to that effect) the org is smitten with Brossoit’s athleticism causing them to be blind to the other flaws you’ve mentioned.

    Lastly, can someone start a kickstarter campaign to raise money for a wordpress plugin that would allow searching comment poster’s archives?

  181. Pouzar says:

    stephen sheps:
    Pouzar,

    You were so right about Nurse, Khaira, & Sleppy. Credit where it’s due my friend!

    Not directly crapping on you or anyone about LB – I just won’t anoint him a quality back up until we see him play some more games, and play consistently from period to period in the games that he plays…

    and I don’t miss Hall trade talk at all, but admittedly I don’t come around as much anymore so I really don’t know how often that comes up these days. Lousy busy teaching schedule

    Thanks Stephen.

    The jury is out on LB for sure. Goalies are a polarizing bunch but I wouldn’t be drawing any conclusions just yet like some are here.

  182. deardylan says:

    Lowetide: For once, it wasn’t named after a song. It was just the word that fit.

    Funny cause I ended up finding this song by Crosby

    “It’s hard to enough to gain
    Any traction in the rain”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CF7hW1UnOA

  183. stephen sheps says:

    Pouzar,

    Polarizing, voodoo, you name it. We just don’t know yet.
    Hopefully he puts together another 3-4 games like the last couple (soft Toronto goal notwithstanding) and helps to carry the team back to something close to competitive.

  184. Ryan says:

    Pouzar: Thanks Stephen.

    The jury is out on LB for sure. Goalies are a polarizing bunch but I wouldn’t be drawing any conclusions just yet like some are here.

    Warning.

    Do not bet against this man (Pouzar).

    Lordy what a wager I lost to you. 🙂

  185. hunter1909 says:

    LB appears to be the goalie that forces the Oilers to play heads up hockey at all times, lol

    Anything less than acquiring a 2nd goalie for 2-3 million and have a capable backup, is in-freaking-sane.

    LB is the equivalent of losing a season …because.

  186. hunter1909 says:

    Anyone who ever wants to say MacT was a good head coach look no farther than his reasons for playing Conklin in backup for game 1 of the 2006 SC finals.

  187. deardylan says:

    hunter1909:

    H!

    Who is in the lead for Hunter’s “Season is Right” contest based on the current Oilers standings projected to end of the season?

    I had 97pts so I think I am off just a bit unless 97 can float the whole boat like he did last game.

  188. Dicky94 says:

    Pouzar,

    BARZAL!

  189. Surrey Oiler says:

    Watching the Preds/Canucks game…LB will have the have the game of his life for the Oilers to pull off a W…Preds are a fast bunch…I could see LB’s jock strap hanging on the rafters at Rogers by the 1st intermission.

  190. Mr. D. says:

    digger50,

    I agree Gryba has been OK if not good defensively. He wins battles and makes a good first pass. That’s his game. If offense is a posters criteria then he hasn’t had a good year. These guys want to play so I’m assuming he’s be alright with a chance elsewhere.

  191. Hockey Project says:

    hunter1909:
    Anyone who ever wants to say MacT was a good head coach look no farther than his reasons for playing Conklin in backup for game 1 of the 2006 SC finals.

    Ohhhh. Wasn’t that the “I just let Ty and Jussi take turns as backup” comment? I mostly didn’t mind MacT as coach, but remember slapping my forehead when I saw that one.

  192. flyfish1168 says:

    I hope the Preds use up all their lucky bounce goals before tomorrow nights game. 3 in one game so far.

  193. AsiaOil says:

    Thanks for the kind words guys.

    Agree that “someone” in the org has a crush on LB. Same guy(s) who liked GR? Don’t know but I’m very sceptical of all these old Oil Kings as none of them have turned out too well. I’ve tried real hard to like LB – really have – but I just can’t overlook all the bad stuff that goes on almost every game. He doesn’t have many starts but it’s his 3rd season in the NHL and those goals simply can’t go in from those places on the ice. Maybe he’s a star in practice with no presssure but has major confidence issues in games. I don’t know but he “gave me the willies” worse than Gus used to last night in the 3rd. We were lucky that they didn’t get a 3rd goal before JP put it away.

  194. Surrey Oiler says:

    AsiaOil:
    Thanks for the kind words guys.

    Agree that “someone” in the org has a crush on LB. Same guy(s) who liked GR? Don’t know but I’m very sceptical of all these old Oil Kings as none of them have turned out too well. I’ve tried real hard to like LB – really have – but I just can’t overlook all the bad stuff that goes on almost every game. He doesn’t have many starts but it’s his 3rd season in the NHL and those goals simply can’t go in from those places on the ice. Maybe he’s a star in practice with no presssure but has major confidence issues in games. I don’t know but he “gave me the willies” worse than Gus used to last night in the 3rd. We were lucky that they didn’t get a 3rd goal before JP put it away.

    I agree with you 110%, I had Calgary game feelings all over again. End of day, like I harp daily, LB is not, nor will ever be, an NHL goalie, but of course for Oilers he is. He can’t read plays, rebound control is awful, looks lost at times and actually looks small in net.

    After watching 2 periods in the Nashville vs Canucks game so far, it could be a complete nightmare tomorrow. Why hasn’t Chia addresses this key issue, I have no freaking clue.

  195. JD_Sigh says:

    Pouzar:
    I miss Hall trade talk.

    Wagers on how many games he’ll miss this time?

  196. Pouzar says:

    JD_Sigh: Wagers on how many games he’ll miss this time?

    Hearing it’s minor.

  197. JD_Sigh says:

    Pouzar,

    So 4 then?

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