You can’t always get what you want

You can’t always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you’ll get what you need. This Edmonton Oilers team is life and death to make the playoffs and that’s going to be the state of affairs for some time. It’s probably fair to begin taking stock in terms of pieces for next season and beyond. Increasingly, Jesse Puljujarvi and Jujhar Khaira are important storylines for a season that has a good chance to end without playoff success. It is possible to gain much from such a season, JP and JJ are examples of what can be added to a young and talented cluster. More please.

  • Todd McLellan: “Our hockey smarts didn’t exist. They had their share of two-on-ones and three-on-twos that were preventable.”

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LONG DECEMBER, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • December 2015: 7-3-1, goal differential -2 (15 points)
  • December 2016: 6-2-3, goal differential +2 (15 points)
  • December 2017: 7-4-0, goal differential +10 (14 points)

The Oilers are slightly behind the last two December runs, but the goal differential suggests the current team is enjoying the better month. Wins and points matter tremendously, but at some point (maybe soon) we’ll be looking for good arrows that don’t include the postseason. That +10 goal differential in December is a very nice sign.

AFTER 37, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers 15-16: 15-19-3, goal differential -20 (33 points)
  • Oilers 16-17: 19-12-6, goal differential +10 (44 points)
  • Oilers 17-18: 17-18-2, goal differential -5 (36 points)

Edmonton needs points in every game but the NHL is a very difficult league. Ideally, the team arrives at 20 wins before G41, but that would require three wins in the next four games. A big ask for a team that still has some issues.

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM DECEMBER

  • On the road to: Calgary (Expected: 0-0-1) (Actual: 1-0-0)
  • At home to: Philadelphia (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual: 0-1-0)
  • On the road to: Montreal, Toronto, Columbus (Expected 1-2-0) (Actual 2-1-0)
  • At home to: Nashville (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • On the road to: Minnesota (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 1-0-0)
  • At home to: San Jose, St. Louis, Montreal (Expected 1-1-1) (Actual 3-0-0)
  • On the road to: Winnipeg (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • At home to: Chicago, Winnipeg (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 5-6-2, 12 points in 13 games 
  • Current results: 7-4-0, 14 points in 11 games

Impossible to call this month anything but a rebound no matter the results of the final two games of December. Making the playoffs is more difficult with every loss or three-point game on the out of town scoreboard, but winning seven of 11 games is a playoff team. Making up for October-November may not be possible, but 14 points in 11 games is a good NHL team.

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

  • Sekera-Benning were 9-14 in 13:51, 0-1 in GF and 4-1 in HDSCs. Sekera looked good early in the game and then faded a little, suspect we’ll see that for a time as he pays for that long layoff. Went 5-6 with the Nuge line and 8-6 against Ehlers-Little-Laine. I thought this pairing was the best of the lot on the evening.
  • Nurse-Russell went 9-17 in 13:22, 1-1 in GF and 2-3 in HDSCs. Nurse took two penalties, neither a good decision. Russell picked up a nice assist on the JP goal, but he was chasing much of the night. Pinpoint passing is an issue for this team. Were 5-4 against Connor-Scheifele-Wheeler and it’s possible we see a shuffle on this pairing as Oscar returns.
  • Davidson-Larsson were not good, suspect we see Klefbom-Larsson on Friday night. Pair were 10-23 in 13:19, 0-2 GF and 1-6 HDSCs. Ordinarily I’d pick out on or another blue as chief culprit but they were both a day late and a dollar short. Were 8-4 against Tanev-Copp-Lowry, but 1-10 against Hendricks-Perreault-Armia. That’s awful. Both men were ghastly on the Kyle Connor goal.
  • Cam Talbot stopped 35 of 39, .897. He made some phenomenal stops.
  • NaturalStatTrick and NHL.com.

FORWARDS

  • Lucic-McDavid-Puljujarvi posted three points on the evening and 12 of the team’s 24 shots. Three of eight HDSCs. The trio dominated early and late, I think the Jets should be give some credit for figuring out a way to defend 97. Trouba faced McDavid for 12:15 and lost the HDSC battle only 3-2. Lucic was so close to scoring late. Puljujarvi now has seven goals and 55 shots in 20 games, meaning he could score 20 goals this season. That, like the Khaira progress, should be considered a main arrow in the “if you try sometimes, you get what you need” file we’re compiling together.
  • Khaira-Draisasitl-Strome scored a nice goal, this trio does something good most nights now. Khaira has seven goals in 24 games and is on pace for 20. Now his shooting percentage is 20 percent and that’s going to regress, but good days as he wraps up his first half of the season.
  • Maroon-Nuge-Caggiula were ineffective, going 6-10 against the Little line.
  • Cammalleri-Letestu-Kassian waved lanterns at runaway trains, sunup to sundown.
  • Edmonton was 14-3 giveaway-takeaway, lost the HDSCs 0-9 in the second and third period combined (after going 7-0 in the first and generally looked like a team that boarded a plane 12 hours before game time. The last time Winnipeg had that many two-on-one’s Dale Hawerchuk was on the team.

OSCAR KLEFBOM

He’s back tomorrow night according to reports, I suspect he’ll draw in with Adam Larsson (who had a dreadful time of it in Winnipeg).

TRADES

  • Darren Dreger on TSN1290 Winnipeg: “I wouldn’t be surprised to see Chiarelli kind of amp it up a little bit in terms of trying to upgrade in some fashion here in the foreseeable future. I think that he’s interested in adding a defenseman. Somebody who, again, can build on their transition game and have some pace to his game and can make that man advantage count more often than it has to date.” Source

Edmonton has to make a roster move in order to get Klefbom back on the roster, that may mean Eric Gryba on waivers at 10 this morning or Anton Slepyshev to Bakersfield or gone via trade. I think Gryba probably survives, but that’s a guess.

OILERS AT THE DRAFT, 2018

  • First Round (No. 8 overall)—R Filip Zadina, Halifax Mooseheads (QMJHL)
  • Second Round (No. 39 overall)
  • Third Round (No. 70 overall)
  • Fourth Round (No. 101 overall)
  • Fifth Round (No. 132 overall)
  • Sixth Round (No. 163 overall)
  • Seventh Round (No. 194 overall)

I’ve seen a few mentions of trading the first-round pick this summer, doesn’t make a whole lot of sense based on the prospect pool currently under the Oilers umbrella. I think there’s a better chance the Oilers keep all seven picks and select forwards with each of them.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

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  • Bruce McCurdy, Cult of Hockey. Last night’s game and remembering Johnny Bower.
  • Rob Vollman, NHL.com and ESPN. 2017 in review.
  • Frank Seravalli, TSN. World Junior tournament off and running, big early stories.

10-1260, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

 

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189 Responses to "You can’t always get what you want"

  1. Soup Fascist says:

    And sometimes you get what you deserve. D-Men were generally horrid, a lot of forwards were lollygagging on the back check.

    Exciting but frustrating game that Talbot kept close.

    Oilers deserved their fate – but for the love of Gord how do the Oil get a penalty of the Kulikov knee and a veritable love tap from JJ? It’s not like the Oilers would score on a PP or anything. But, still …………

  2. Jethro Tull says:

    Soup Fascist:
    And sometimes you get what you deserve. D-Men were generally horrid, a lot of forwards were lollygagging on the back check.

    Exciting but frustrating game that Talbot kept close.

    Oilers deserved their fate – but for the love of Gord how do the Oil get a penalty of the Kulikov knee and a veritable love tap from JJ?It’s not like the Oilers would score on a PP or anything. But, still …………

    I don’t think this gives the Jets enough credit. Good team. If the Oilers play lime they have been, they’re better. That’s what’s infuriating a lot of people. This team’s enemy at the start of the season was sickness. Now it will be consistency.

    It’s unrealistic to expect to win every game. Talbot was good. That’s encouraging. But we will lose some games, so to a good out of division team is no great shakes.

  3. Concur says:

    I cannot see a trade for a defenseman unless it is to replace Russell. That is not going to.happen we are stuck with his contract. I can only see an addition to defense if the rumored trade for Hoffman (or equivalent) sends a defenseman out. I do not see two trades happening because Chia is kinda like Tambi in that when he makes an in season trade he waits to see how it affecta the team before meddeling again.

  4. Clarkenstein says:

    Winnipeg is a helluva hockey team first of all. Their speed is blinding and they had the Oil on their heels all night. Breaking out of their own end was embarrassingly easy. TMac is right when he says the Oil didn’t play a smart game. Having said all that they were a Lucic shot away from tying it up with a couple seconds left. A game like that, however, exposes virtually all of the current issues on the Oil. Couldn’t get the puck out of their own end for love nor money mostly due to the 5 skaters not doing enough skating but more of their usual “gliding” behind their blue. Worst game of Larsson’s Oil tenure… by a lot. Davidson has regressed. Think he needs to play with Sekera but will likely be #7 now. No PP, no PK. Good news is that all these issues are solvable. But when?
    JK and Julu were refreshing.

  5. doritogrande says:

    Violently disagree that Sekera was our best defenseman last night. My wife now knows his name from his number because I kept screaming at him in the first period alone. He did not improve from there from the live view. Were he not our veteran defenseman, I’d hope the coach contemplates sitting him after his poor decision making last night.

    Last night’s eye test had Nurse as the best of the blueline, penalties included. Watching live, I now get the Russel love. You don’t sacrifice your body in front of a Patrik Laine shot (that by the way actually sound different from regular slap shots) and not be beloved by your teammates.

  6. Jethro Tull says:

    doritogrande,

    Violently? Calm down, old chap.

  7. doritogrande says:

    Winnipeg is a helluva hockey team first of all.

    Agreed. And they’re missing two top-4 defensemen right now. Though the likely time missed by Scheifele is going to hurt a lot. Reports range from a broken collar bone to separated shoulder. Massive loss for a good team.

    Jethro: watching him try to play hockey last night made me violent. Thus, I will violently disagree.

    Edit: Not old, but old enough to remember the old BoA blog’s definition of being “stempniaked”, and that’s what 40 in blue did to us last night. Joel Armia should probably retire right now because he’ll never play a better game.

  8. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Concur:
    I cannot see a trade for a defenseman unless it is to replace Russell.That is not going to.happen we are stuck with his contract.I can only see an addition to defense if the rumored trade for Hoffman (or equivalent) sends a defenseman out.I do not see two trades happening because Chia is kinda like Tambi in that when he makes an in season trade he waits to see how it affecta the team before meddeling again.

    Yeah, that time Tambellini made the big trade to bring in Mike Brown in season, he definitely needed time to evaluate its effect on the entire roster.

  9. McSorley33 says:

    Mark Letestu and Mike Cammalleri ( 35) ..wow.

    Who says the NHL is about speed?

    Bruce at CoH highlighted one epic matchup between Hendricks and Letestu…..ouch.

    Letestu turns 33 in a few days….let’s shoot for a 3rd rounder at the deadline.

  10. who says:

    doritogrande:
    Violently disagree that Sekera was our best defenseman last night. My wife now knows his name from his number because I kept screaming at him in the first period alone. He did not improve from there from the live view. Were he not our veteran defenseman, I’d hope the coach contemplates sitting him after his poor decision making last night.

    Last night’s eye test had Nurse as the best of the blueline, penalties included. Watching live, I now get the Russel love. You don’t sacrifice your body in front of a Patrik Laine shot (that by the way actually sound different from regular slap shots) and not be beloved by your teammates.

    Have to agree with this.
    Nurse and Russell were easily our best pairing last night. The other 4 were awful.
    I can cut Sekera some slack. It will take a few weeks for him to get up to speed. But the other 3 guys better be better on Friday.

  11. Jethro Tull says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Yeah, that time Tambellini made the big trade to bring in Mike Brown in season, he definitely needed time to evaluate its effect on the entire roster.

    Fuq dat, where were you when the Smithson deal went down?

  12. knighttown says:

    The Jets scare me more than almost any team in the NHL in that they probably are one of only a handful that are significantly more talented. Since they have the top dog in McDavid, the Oilers almost never have to game plan to shut down other teams but rather, have to plan ways to free up Connor.

    Either of the top two Jets lines (with Trouba and Morrissey) could/might handle McDavid in PvsP and the other Jets line could handle Draisaitl. Where the Jets seem weak is on their 3rd and 4th lines but they absolutely demolished Nuge-Maroon-Caggs and even moreso, Letestu-Kass-Cammi.

    The Oilers might win some against the Jets due to goalering or bounces but it seems that the Jets, as much as any current NHL team, outplay the Oilers consistently.

    The Oilers can hang with the Blues. They’ve had a recent gooder against the Preds. LA/Anaheim/Vegas don’t scare me.

    If I could pay to avoid a first round matchup it would be against this team because I think they’re just better…even than the good Oilers of the last few weeks.

  13. frjohnk says:

    knighttown:
    The Jets scare me more than almost any team in the NHL in that they probably are one of only a handful that are significantly more talented.Since they have the top dog in McDavid, the Oilers almost never have to game plan to shut down other teams but rather, have to plan ways to free up Connor.

    Either of the top two Jets lines (with Trouba and Morrissey) could/might handle McDavid in PvsP and the other Jets line could handle Draisaitl.Where the Jets seem weak is on their 3rd and 4th lines but they absolutely demolished Nuge-Maroon-Caggs and even moreso, Letestu-Kass-Cammi.

    The Oilers might win some against the Jets due to goalering or bounces but it seems that the Jets, as much as any current NHL team, outplay the Oilers consistently.

    The Oilers can hang with the Blues.They’ve had a recent gooder against the Preds.LA/Anaheim/Vegas don’t scare me.

    If I could pay to avoid a first round matchup it would be against this team because I think they’re just better…even than the good Oilers of the last few weeks.

    Jets are the goods. Pouzar 🙂 and my second favorite team. Not sold on their goaltending, but its better than last year. When healthy the team up front and on the back end would be deserving of LT’s balanced photo.

    And they have a pretty good group of prospects.
    http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0073892018.html
    1st round pick in 15 Roslovic is second in AHL scoring. Suspect he gets called up soon.

    Their 1st rounder this past summer is a 6 foot 3 center who has 19 points in 26 games in Finlands top league. He got player of the game for the Fins in the WJC game against Canada. http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=192054

    Lots of currency in their prospect pool to make a run this year.

  14. knighttown says:

    I’ll be watching the transactional wire quite closely over the next few days when Oscar returns. The options are to waive Gryba, waive Auvitu or waive Slepy. Failing to waive Gryba will highlight a team willing to trade wins for taking care of good company men.

    You can’t keep 12 forwards and 9 defense at any time but especially when your wingers are this weak. Sleppy staying on the roster is very important. Caggs and Cammi are prone to games like this and the punishment for playing this way needs to be having a real NHLer ready to slide in. They have zero forward depth and nothing on the farm. They can’t afford to lose Slepyshev in either sense of the word “lose”.

    As for the defenseman competition. The #8 defenseman is a damn important position and will play some big minutes for this team and Auvitu clearly won the job. Rotate Davidson and Benning in and out of the #6/7 spot, Auvitu at #8 and Gryba on the farm or gone.

    I feel violently strongly about both of these decisions. Forward competition or the battle of the #8 defensemen…either competition gives the same result…Gryba should be waived.

  15. thehop says:

    Watching Lucic miss opportunity after opportunity last night was painful. I love his game but surely there is someone better to be the trigger man in the high slot.

    Pretty much the only reason I would trade for Hoffman. Those opportunities, cashed of course, are the difference between the playoffs and a lottery pick.

    Love the Jets and their style of play.

    If the Oilers want to make a run, the need a guy who can snipe.

  16. leeinvan says:

    The Oilers have zero centers in their prospect pool, and this up coming draft its full of d men. Seeing the Oilers will probably pick # 10 -14 I would keep the pick and draft a center as they seem to be in the 10-20 picks.
    Using the pick on a right winger when you have Yomo and JP under 20 years old is foolish, Benson on the left side is also a potential top 2 winger.
    And no the team does not need anymore middling left D draft picks, even the farm team has too many of them.
    Somehow this team has to draft a top 2 right d man instead of trading away players like Hall to get a decent d man .
    You want to know how important drafting is Hoffman and Stone were picked in the 5th and 6th round and people are saying trade RNH for one of these players.
    This team has one valuable trading asset left which is RNH, if they trade him it better be for a top Right d man who is reasonably cheap, this would also mean the team is in real trouble if either McDavid or Dria gets hurt, so the team would also need a top center prospect either as part of the trade or through some other avenue.
    Personally I would like the team to trade Marroon for a 2nd round pick., you can always move a center to the wing but cant do the reverse.
    Considering the Oilers lose 90% of the trades they are in, trading is something they should avoid.

  17. knighttown says:

    frjohnk: Jets are the goods.Pouzar and my second favorite team.Not sold on their goaltending, but its better than last year.When healthy the team up front and on the back end would be deserving of LT’s balanced photo.

    And they have a pretty good group of prospects.
    http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0073892018.html
    1st round pick in 15 Roslovic is second in AHL scoring.Suspect he gets called up soon.

    Their 1st rounder this past summer is a 6 foot 3 center who has 19 points in 26 games in Finlands top league.He got player of the game for the Fins in the WJC game against Canada.http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=192054

    Lots of currency in their prospect pool to make a run this year.

    I know Hendricks but are the other bottom sixers usually that good? Tanev, Copp, Armia etc? They gave guys like Lars and Davy fits all night and made Kassian and company look like the old Stortini 4th lines the Oilers used to roll out there.

  18. PhrankLee says:

    Jethro Tull: Fuq dat, where were you when the Smithson deal went down?

    Signed in and everything to say this very thing. Curses!!

    On a side note my sons got me tickets to your avatar namesake in July. So psyched. Last time I saw them was in the 80s.

    Good day, nobly named sir.

  19. Jethro Tull says:

    PhrankLee: Signed in and everything to say this very thing. Curses!!

    On a side note my sons got me tickets to your avatar namesake in July. So psyched. Last time I saw them was in the 80s.

    Good day, nobly named sir.

    Was one of my dad’s favorite bands. Enjoy the show and have a great day yourself!

  20. jtblack says:

    waved lanterns at runaway trains, sunup to sundown*****

    Dont know what this means, but do know its not good and it made me laugh!

    Exciting game none the less.

    Benning cannot pass off his back hand. muffin after muffin.

    Larsson on the 2 on 1: If a guy cant deliver Offense, then we sure as shit need him to be excellent on D Larsson played that like a 2nd pair Bantam D man. Rsther than taking somebody (anybody) or taking away the pass, Larsson simply skated in corkscrew circles.

    I can watch McDavid anytime, anywhere #AMAZING

    2 tough teams rolling in (Hawks ; WPG). Reevaluate after that.

  21. Jethro Tull says:

    Kreider with a blood clot?

  22. Pouzar says:

    doritogrande:
    Violently disagree that Sekera was our best defenseman last night. My wife now knows his name from his number because I kept screaming at him in the first period alone. He did not improve from there from the live view. Were he not our veteran defenseman, I’d hope the coach contemplates sitting him after his poor decision making last night.

    Last night’s eye test had Nurse as the best of the blueline, penalties included. Watching live, I now get the Russel love. You don’t sacrifice your body in front of a Patrik Laine shot (that by the way actually sound different from regular slap shots) and not be beloved by your teammates.

    Good call…I thought Sekera was brutal. He gets a lot of rope around these parts and for good reason but he was horrid last night.

  23. who says:

    knighttown:
    The Jets scare me more than almost any team in the NHL in that they probably are one of only a handful that are significantly more talented.Since they have the top dog in McDavid, the Oilers almost never have to game plan to shut down other teams but rather, have to plan ways to free up Connor.

    Either of the top two Jets lines (with Trouba and Morrissey) could/might handle McDavid in PvsP and the other Jets line could handle Draisaitl.Where the Jets seem weak is on their 3rd and 4th lines but they absolutely demolished Nuge-Maroon-Caggs and even moreso, Letestu-Kass-Cammi.

    The Oilers might win some against the Jets due to goalering or bounces but it seems that the Jets, as much as any current NHL team, outplay the Oilers consistently.

    The Oilers can hang with the Blues.They’ve had a recent gooder against the Preds.LA/Anaheim/Vegas don’t scare me.

    If I could pay to avoid a first round matchup it would be against this team because I think they’re just better…even than the good Oilers of the last few weeks.

    Yep.
    Very good team. I kinda chuckled when someone suggested the Oilers could exploit their defense because they weren’t that strong after Trouba/Morrissey.
    Truth is that Myers/Kulikov is a very good pairing. Both of them would look very good on this Oilers team. I suggested a Hall, Davidson for Myers, Ehlers trade a couple of years ago. I also said that I didn’t think the Jets would do it and was ridiculed by several people on this blog. Gotta say that trade would look pretty good today.
    And yes the Jets third pairing was their 7 and 8 dmen. But I would take Poolman over Benning all day long. And Charot is a solid depth guy.
    So if we should view the Jets defense as exploitable how do other teams view ours?

  24. Pouzar says:

    McSorley33:
    Mark Letestu and Mike Cammalleri ( 35) ..wow.

    Who says the NHL is about speed?

    Bruce at CoH highlighted one epic matchup between Hendricks and Letestu…..ouch.

    Letestu turns 33 in a few days….let’s shoot for a 3rd rounder at the deadline.

    #Trust

  25. knighttown says:

    leeinvan:
    The Oilers have zero centers in their prospect pool, and this up coming draft its full of d men. Seeing the Oilers will probably pick # 10 -14 I would keep the pick and draft a center as they seem to be in the 10-20 picks.
    Using the pick on a right winger when you have Yomo and JP under 20 years old is foolish, Benson on the left side is also a potential top 2 winger.

    Although I do agree with the point…take defense especially right defense if that’s who the BPA is, I’d be a little careful in anointing Yammi or Benson as anything, especially not a top 2 winger. These aren’t the bluest of the blue chippers we’re used to dealing with from Hall all the way to JP. Those guys you’re smart to count on even if guys like Drai and JP take their time getting there.

    Benson is a second rounder with major injury trouble who couldn’t crack a mediocre (talent wise) Team Canada and is turning 20 in a dozen weeks. Every team has 5 guys like this. You draft them and then for fans it’s all about arrows and his are just OK. He’ll play pro next year and we’ll see but no one should be counting on this player for anything.

    I’d also plead for caution with KY too. Yes he earned a 9 game look and that was exciting but he clearly showed he wasn’t ready to help his team win. This is a team with awful right wing depth and so, by comparison, he looks decent but again, this is no surefire top 6 forward. As a 19 year old playing junior who brings nothing but scoring, his scoring rates should be breathtaking and they simply aren’t. Again, I’m very excited and optimistic too but the arrows here, since November, are just OK.

    I think if you aren’t living in an NHL city you do tend to fall less in love with the local prospects. If a Corey Pronman or someone unbiased was to do a “top forwards not in the NHL” you’d see KY fall in the 15-30 range (so every team has one) and I doubt Benson even makes the top 50. Guys like Elias Petterson and Eeli Tolvanen are the ones whose arrows are pointing way up.

  26. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    knighttown,

    The options are to waive Gryba, waive Auvitu or waive Slepy.

    Sleppy needs one more game played for waiver eligibility.

    As of today they can just assign him to the Condors.

  27. Pouzar says:

    frjohnk,

    Jets are the goods. Agreed on goaltending…better than last year but it could sink them in the playoffs. Thought they should have went after Elliot instead of Mason to secure that spot.

  28. Jethro Tull says:

    Pouzar: Good call…I thought Sekera was brutal. He gets a lot of rope around these parts and for good reason but he was horrid last night.

    This isn’t about giving rope to a vet. He’s just come off a brutal injury and rehab. We talked about it. It was agreed we likely wouldn’t see real Seksy until the new year. Why spin this into something it is not?

    Russell was worse, and then he blocks a shot and all is good with the world. The guy cannot pivot and skate backwards at the NHL level. And other teams know this.

  29. Pouzar says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Where do you get your GSAA numbers?

  30. Pouzar says:

    EDM Prospect Watch

    @EDProspectWatch
    4m4 minutes ago
    More
    AAPELI RASANEN GOAL!!!!!!

    Eeli Tolvanen with a blast off the end boards, Rasanen jumps on the loose puck and it’s 2-0 Finland.

  31. T0ML says:

    I think that JJ penalty was a makeup call for the missed high stick a minute before (I dont agree with Make-up calls, but they exist, and it was a pretty vicious high stick, unintentional though it was).

    Now the missed calls on the Jets was bull shit.

    Soup Fascist:
    And sometimes you get what you deserve. D-Men were generally horrid, a lot of forwards were lollygagging on the back check.

    Exciting but frustrating game that Talbot kept close.

    Oilers deserved their fate – but for the love of Gord how do the Oil get a penalty of the Kulikov knee and a veritable love tap from JJ?It’s not like the Oilers would score on a PP or anything. But, still …………

  32. Pouzar says:

    Jethro Tull: This isn’t about giving rope to a vet. He’s just come off a brutal injury and rehab. We talked about it. It was agreed we likely wouldn’t see real Seksy until the new year. Why spin this into something it is not?

    Russell was worse, and then he blocks a shot and all is good with the world. The guy cannot pivot and skate backwards at the NHL level. And other teams know this.

    Why does everyone feel the need to tell me what something is or isn’t about? LOL
    He was terrible last night, he gets a lot of rope here. Both the truth.

  33. Jethro Tull says:

    Pouzar: Why does everyone feel the need to tell me what something is or isn’t about? LOL
    He was terrible last night, he gets a lot of rope here. Both the truth.

    It’s called ‘debate’. But saying he gets a lot of rope here without any context is like saying water’s wet. It’s true, but there’s more to the story.

  34. Pouzar says:

    Edmonton Oilers

    @EdmontonOilers
    53s53 seconds ago
    More
    The #Oilers have signed forward Cameron Hebig to a three-year, entry-level contract. The 20-year-old Saskatoon native currently leads @BladesHockey with 28 goals & 51 points in 34 games.

  35. who says:

    knighttown: I know Hendricks but are the other bottom sixers usually that good?Tanev, Copp, Armia etc?They gave guys like Lars and Davy fits all night and made Kassian and company look like the old Stortini 4th lines the Oilers used to roll out there.

    Yes their bottom 6 guys are that good. Tanev is a great skater and forechecker. That was a typical game from him. Lowry is that big third line center that wins faceoffs and dominates physically. Copp and Armia are both former first rounders. Armias skills were pretty obvious last night. Matthew Perrault is playing on their fourth line.
    And if any of these guys struggle they have 6 guys just as good in the minors. They are DEEP. Especially up front.
    The only thing I don’t understand is how Hendricks made this team. Maybe he was the missing ingredient.

  36. Jethro Tull says:

    T0ML:
    I think that JJ penalty was a makeup call for the missed high stick a minute before (I dont agree with Make-up calls, but they exist, and it was a pretty vicious high stick, unintentional though it was).

    Now the missed calls on the Jets was bull shit.

    Can’t believe how hard they had to scream at the refs for the ‘too many men’. If there wasn’t a guy 50′ from the bench, I think they let it go.

  37. frjohnk says:

    who: Yes their bottom 6 guys are that good. Tanev is a great skater and forechecker. That was a typical game from him. Lowry is that big third line center that wins faceoffs and dominates physically. Copp and Armia are both former first rounders. Armias skills were pretty obvious last night. Matthew Perrault is playing on their fourth line.
    And if any of these guys struggle they have 6 guys just as good in the minors. They are DEEP. Especially up front.
    The only thing I don’t understand is how Hendricks made this team. Maybe he was the missing ingredient.

    yup

  38. Jethro Tull says:

    Pouzar:
    Edmonton Oilers

    @EdmontonOilers53s53 seconds ago
    More
    The #Oilers have signed forward Cameron Hebig to a three-year, entry-level contract. The 20-year-old Saskatoon native currently leads @BladesHockey with 28 goals & 51 points in 34 games.

    I though the Oilers were after Tyler Yousmall?😉

  39. Pouzar says:

    Jethro Tull: It’s called ‘debate’. But saying he gets a lot of rope here without any context is like saying water’s wet. It’s true, but there’s more to the story.

    He has always gotten a lot of rope here irrespective of his injury recovery. That’s all I was saying.
    I violently disagree that he was the best of the lot last night.

  40. frjohnk says:

    Pouzar: Hebig

    Not that big.

    Only 5 foot 10.

  41. Soup Fascist says:

    Pouzar:
    Edmonton Oilers

    @EdmontonOilers53s53 seconds ago
    More
    The #Oilers have signed forward Cameron Hebig to a three-year, entry-level contract. The 20-year-old Saskatoon native currently leads @BladesHockey with 28 goals & 51 points in 34 games.

    Is he big?

  42. Soup Fascist says:

    frjohnk: Not that big.

    Only 5 foot 10.

    As usual, I was a day late and a dollar short.

  43. Jethro Tull says:

    frjohnk: Not that big.

    Only 5 foot 10.

    If this was this Christmas present Bob was alluding to, then it’s a pair of socks and not a box at Rogers.

  44. Bag of Pucks says:

    doritogrande:
    Violently disagree that Sekera was our best defenseman last night. My wife now knows his name from his number because I kept screaming at him in the first period alone. He did not improve from there from the live view. Were he not our veteran defenseman, I’d hope the coach contemplates sitting him after his poor decision making last night.

    Last night’s eye test had Nurse as the best of the blueline, penalties included. Watching live, I now get the Russel love. You don’t sacrifice your body in front of a Patrik Laine shot (that by the way actually sound different from regular slap shots) and not be beloved by your teammates.

    +1

  45. frjohnk says:

    Pouzar: I violently disagree that he was the best of the lot last night

    “Violently” is trending to be new “material” catch phrase for 2018. But we need some time for this. So
    We wait.( catch phrase word of the year in 2012)

  46. Jethro Tull says:

    NHL listing him as 6’0″ and a buck 82.

  47. doritogrande says:

    Copp and Armia are both former first rounders

    You’re confusing Copp with another former first rounder Roslovic, who is also the goods. Showerhead wrote a great article on him and Kyle Connor for The Athletic not too long ago.

    Copp however, is not a first rounder (he’s a 4th). Still a great young depth forward that can play both LW and C with crust and jam.

  48. Pouzar says:

    An excerpt from a June 23, 2016 article.

    http://nhlnumbers.com/2016/6/23/draft-day-bargains-turning-late-round-draft-picks-into-gold

    “Cameron Hebig is a second-time eligible centre who surged in scoring, from 18 goals and 40 points in his draft year to 26 goals and 69 points in his draft+1 year. The scoresheet wasn’t the only place his numbers grew, as he reportedly added about 20 pounds to his 5’10” frame, giving him more strength and size, plus an increased ability to both dish out and absorb hits. Saskatoon’s top centre, Hebig possesses above average vision, and an accurate (but not overly-powerful) shot. He slots in at 19th in age-adjusted even strength points per game among the 349 CHL draft eligibles, right between two potential top-40 picks in Vancouver’s TYLER BENSON and Sault Ste Marie’s Boris Katchouk. Scoring like that, along with the improvement he’s shown in virtually every facet of the game from his draft year, should have him ranked higher than a 6th/7th round pick.”

  49. knighttown says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    knighttown,

    The options are to waive Gryba, waive Auvitu or waive Slepy.

    Sleppy needs one more game played for waiver eligibility.

    As of today they can just assign him to the Condors.

    Thanks…I knew it was either one game shy or just now there but it doesn’t change my decision. Keeping Gryba as a 9th D on the roster screams “get the good ol boy an NHL paycheck” but has a real world impact.

    I think it was smart to keep Sleppy a game short so you have cards to play but you’d better be careful if you’re actually going to play that card and send him down. I could defend it if it was a choice between Caggiula and Slepyshev. Sorry Anton, we see it as a tie and we can afford to wait to make a decision on you. You might “lose” him (either to Russia or mentally) but you could defend that.

    But when Oscar comes back the decision needs to be between OV2 and Gryba. I much prefer OV2 but think it’s a coin toss (for management) and wouldn’t sulk too much if they dump Johan. I would sulk if they alienate their one decent depth winger in an effort to get a wily vet one last NHL paycheck. Partly cause that’s a bad reason to make a decision but mostly because I don’t think Cammi and Caggs (and even Letustu, Jujair and Kass) are every day players and some healthy competition will keep them focused.

    Of course, if they trade for Hoffman or a legit winger then it’s nice to be able to send Slepy down so I could be making a mountain out of a molehill.

  50. Pescador says:

    Pouzar: He has always gotten a lot of rope here irrespective of his injury recovery. That’s all I was saying.
    I violently disagree that he was the best of the lot last night.

    I Violently agree with this

  51. Pouzar says:

    Bob Stauffer

    @Bob_Stauffer
    9m9 minutes ago

    Hebig has explosive speed.
    Attended Pittsburgh’s Rookie Camp in 2016, but missed all of the 2016-17 WHL season due to an upper body issue.
    Dynamic offensive player at the WHL level this season.
    Oilers short on forward prospects, look to improve depth.

  52. Professor Q says:

    The confusing part about the NHL.com article was that it started with:

    “RELEASE: Oilers sign…”

    Was he released or signed?!

  53. PhrankLee says:

    I was a crapshoot like coach said.

    LT thanks for being blunt and honest about the D last night. From top to bottom it stunk and it was #6 worst game as an Oiler by far.

    The guys with real ears to the tracks say Chia is peddling in picks and bodies for a RHD…Again!

    What do you make of it? Who is available out there that is Larsson with real wheels?

    Jon Carlson?
    M.E. Vlascic?
    Eric Karlsson? (god I’d hate, hate to see what we would have to give up there)
    Kris Letang?

    Waiver: cannot remember off the top of my head if all these guys are RHD.

    Does the existing cap space make room to parachute an elite 1D into the line up?

  54. Confused says:

    Like this move. No offense in the Bake, need to be making a large number of moves outside the draft.

    Cupboard’s bare, let’s take chances.

    Would like to see us more active in Europe.

    Sign Swedishposter as a scout!

  55. PhrankLee says:

    frjohnk: We wait.( catch phrase word of the year in 2012)

    09,10,11,13, 14, 15 and, frankly, 16 too!

  56. Pescador says:

    frjohnk: “Violently” is trending to be new “material” catch phrase for 2018.But we need some time for this.So
    We wait.( catch phrase word of the year in 2012)

    We don’t know what we don’t know

  57. Jethro Tull says:

    Pescador: We don’t know what we don’t know

    There are known knowns…..

  58. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Pouzar: Hebig has explosive speed.

    Skilled and fast, good to hear. And a right shot centre.

  59. Pouzar says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Skilled and fast, good to hear. And a right shot centre.

    And 55.9% on the dot.

  60. jtblack says:

    Hebig is still a long shot to play for the big club.

    Not sure what PC is up to.

  61. Jethro Tull says:

    Strange. Hockey db, which is the very first site that comes up when you google ‘Cameron Hebig stats’ has him at 5’10”. Every single other one has him as 6′ and 180 – 183lbs.

    Wonder what WG’s phone has him listed as?

  62. Pouzar says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Skilled and fast, good to hear. And a right shot centre.

    Steve Kournianos

    @TheDraftAnalyst
    4m4 minutes ago

    Awesome news for both parties. Highly-intelligent player and a lot of skiil. Always played top minutes on a thin team; faced the toughest matchups but still produced.

  63. Jethro Tull says:

    jtblack:
    Hebig is still a long shot to play for the big club.

    Not sure what PC is up to.

    Prospect depth for the farm. We’re still hurting from the Chia/TMac picks and the Reinhardt BS.

  64. Pouzar says:

    Jethro Tull: Wonder what WG’s phone has him listed as?

    LHD

  65. Pescador says:

    Can’t wait for the day that Puljujarvi is substantial enough to leave Lucic on the bench in the ‘need a goal’ moments. Anyone else notice Milan holding back on checks last night, He injured or being lazy?

  66. Professor Q says:

    Pescador:
    Can’t wait for the day that Puljujarvi is substantial enough to leave Lucic on the bench in the ‘need a goal’ moments. Anyone else notice Milan holding back on checks last night, He injured or being lazy?

    With the way penalties were being called, perhaps cautious and careful?

  67. Pouzar says:

    Pescador:
    Can’t wait for the day that Puljujarvi is substantial enough to leave Lucic on the bench in the ‘need a goal’ moments. Anyone else notice Milan holding back on checks last night, He injured or being lazy?

    He only had 7 SOG last night.

  68. littleenglish says:

    Pouzar,

    Pouzar: Steve Kournianos

    @TheDraftAnalyst4m4 minutes ago

    Awesome news for both parties. Highly-intelligent player and a lot of skiil. Always played top minutes on a thin team; faced the toughest matchups but still produced.

    Sounds like a Vor player

  69. Pouzar says:

    littleenglish:
    Pouzar,

    Sounds like a Vor player

    Paging VOR!

  70. Professor Q says:

    littleenglish:
    Pouzar,

    Sounds like a Vor player

    Have you ever read The Vor Games?

  71. littleenglish says:

    Professor Q: Have you ever read The Vor Games?

    No but I will now that you’ve mentioned it

  72. Primetime says:

    Hebig explains the Greg Chase trade…contract in and contract out. Chia moving Chase for an area of need (skilled centre).

    Smart move, but now realize he wasn’t clearing space for the vaunted 3 for 1 trade…LT can keep up the dream that we are on the good side of a 3 for 1 for once!

  73. Professor Q says:

    Lowetide crushing my Cleveland Browns-loving heart…

  74. Scungilli Slushy says:

    If they aren’t going to make the playoffs, I hope it’s clear before the deadline. I would love to see all heavy legs but Lucic and Drai moved and faster players promoted or acquired.

    To me this team needs to have a fast aggressive forecheck as they transition (which will be years) to a more mature game. The core is young, it won’t happen overnight, rarely does. Sure playing smart can make up for average skating, the problem is when a team has good D and is playing well speed is necessary to take time away. These are the teams the Oilers struggle with.

    Lucic and Drai are enough in the PF department of guys that aren’t fluid skaters IMO. The bottom 6 especially needs good skaters so they can press teams consistently. I wish I knew what Slepy is doing wrong, I can’t see how he isn’t better than Camalleri or Strome and Cags many games.

  75. Pouzar says:

    OV2 skating with forwards today.

    Klef-Lars ( as predicted)
    Nurse-Russell
    Davy-Benning

    No Sekera

    Gryba rotating in.

  76. Pouzar says:

    Scungilli Slushy: I wish I knew what Slepy is doing wrong, I can’t see how he isn’t better than Camalleri or Strome and Cags many games.

    Sideburns.

    I think OV2/Slepy could be a nice injection of speed/skill in the bottom 6

  77. Pouzar says:

    EDM Prospect Watch

    @EDProspectWatch
    3m3 minutes ago
    More
    There was concern that Dmitri Samorukov may not play today after getting hurt in practice yesterday. He is listed on Russia’s lineup card, so he looks good to go.

  78. Pescador says:

    Pouzar,

    Slepyshev in the pressbox for practice now too?

  79. Pescador says:

    Confused:
    Like this move. No offense in the Bake, need to be making a large number of moves outside the draft.

    Cupboard’s bare, let’s take chances.

    Would like to see us more active in Europe.

    Sign Swedishposter as a scout!

    Quoted for truthiness.
    I would hire him, he is wasting his life as a doctor haha.

  80. Pouzar says:

    Pescador:
    Pouzar,

    Slepyshev in the pressbox for practice now too?

    Doesn’t deserve to be down there.

  81. Ryan says:

    Primetime:
    Hebig explains the Greg Chase trade…contract in and contract out.Chia moving Chase for an area of need (skilled centre).

    Smart move, but now realize he wasn’tclearing space for the vaunted 3 for 1 trade…LT can keep up the dreamthat we are on the good side of a 3 for 1 for once!

    Well, the good side of the 3 for one is the trade in which you send three lesser players for one superior player. You don’t need to move bodies out to make room for that type of trade though you might need to take a few contracts back for the numbers to work.

  82. Pouzar says:

    EDM Prospect Watch

    @EDProspectWatch
    12s12 seconds ago

    2016 3rd round pick Filip Berglund has signed a contract extension with Skellefteå AIK that keeps him with the club for the 2018/19 season.

  83. Pescador says:

    Pouzar,

    Good, from what I have read posted here.
    It is better for Euro prospects to develop close to home instead of in the AHL.
    Am I getting that right?

  84. Pouzar says:

    Pescador:
    Pouzar,

    Good, from what I have read posted here.It is better for Euro prospects to develop close to home instead of in the AHL.
    Am I getting that right?

    Yes but don’t tell Chachi.

  85. ashley says:

    LT, you and I see this game much differently. Sekera was absolutely dreadful. That we can be so far apart while watching the same game is remarkable. I think the Oilers win last night without him in the lineup. Absolute liability.

    Larsson-Davidson had tough match ups and played them reasonably well, though got caught a couple of times. They weren’t communicating well.

    Nurse-Russell were ok. Nurse was good. Russell is always a little late in anticipating. Watches the puck, then scrambles to get into better position. He is good at scrambling.

  86. ashley says:

    With Sekera not in practice, I wonder if he is having some pain. Still recovering from a significant injury.

  87. Thinker says:

    Do we sign puljujarvi long term this summer?

  88. Primetime says:

    Ryan: Well, the good side of the 3 for one is the trade in which you send three lesser players for one superior player. You don’t need to move bodies out to make room for that type of trade though you might need to take a few contracts back for the numbers to work.

    Yep, I understand that….which was my point. When he was clearing out contracts everyone was mentioning 3 for 1…which had me panicked. RNH for x, y z would have been horrible. Now hopefully it just meant he intended to sign Hebig, and cleared out another minor league contract to do it.

    Tired of being on the wrong side of the 3 for 1:
    Messier for x,y,z
    Weight for x,y,z
    Pronger for x,y,z

    x,y,z FOR Pronger was much more exciting!!

  89. voxwah says:

    Isn’t Hebig in junior right now? If he is, his entry level deal would be an instant slider contract and wouldn’t be part of the Oilers 50 contract list this year.

    They would still be at 47 contracts. I think. Thoughts?

  90. Pouzar says:

    voxwah: Isn’t Hebig in junior right now?

    Yes.

  91. jtblack says:

    ashley,

    “Larsson-Davidson had tough match ups and played them reasonably well, though got caught a couple of times. They weren’t communicating well.”…….******

    So did they play them well or were they miscommunicating?

    The Davy pass for a breakaway …. Davy pinch; Larsson Lost. Thats 2 Goals on unforced errors by the pair. I thought both guys were junk.

  92. geowal says:

    ashley,

    I thought Larsson was pretty dreadful, absolutely a combination of lazy and bad communication. Sekera I didn’t notice d 5 on 5 as much, so not sure.
    It wouldn’t surprise me in the least if they plan on easing Sekera in, either by skipping the odd practice, game, or both.

  93. Surrey Oiler says:

    Any word on a deal for Hoffman? We need him instead of Lucic at the end of games, kid can snipe

  94. Munny says:

    I violently concur on the Seksy play.

  95. Munny says:

    Munny:
    I violently concur on the Seksy play.

    Think I just pulled a muscle in fact.

  96. thehop says:

    Surrey Oiler,

    I mentioned this earlier in the comments.

    That was readily apparent to me last night as well. Hoffman blasting shots instead of Lucic possibly wins the game for the Oil.

    Friedman mentioned somewhere that the possibility is not what it was.

    I’d still trade for him if there was an opportunity.

  97. who says:

    Thinker:
    Do we sign puljujarvi long term this summer?

    I think you offer him a 8 year extension but if his agent is smart he tells him to wait

  98. ashley says:

    jtblack:
    ashley,

    “Larsson-Davidson had tough match ups and played them reasonably well, though got caught a couple of times. They weren’t communicating well.”…….******

    So did they play them well or were they miscommunicating?

    The Davy pass for a breakaway …. Davy pinch; Larsson Lost.Thats 2 Goals on unforced errors by the pair.I thought both guys were junk.

    Both. Or are you requesting a single concluding statement for their entire body of work during the game like yours: “junk”.

    If that’s your style, then I will say they had a below average game. Their play against tough match ups was ok on the whole, but you can’t ignore a few galling errors that looked like they weren’t communicating well. It was more than the goals against. There were about four plays in total where they ended up, or were heading to do the same thing when one of them needed to be somewhere else.

    Single moments as LT would say, but those are the kind of moments that can make or break a game. And yes they are important. They need to be sharper.

  99. Professor Q says:

    who: I think you offer him a 8 year extension but if his agent is smart he tells him to wait

    Wait for what? His two years are up. His agent already got what they wanted last year. Earlier contract negotiations.

  100. Pescador says:

    Surrey Oiler:
    Any word on a deal for Hoffman? We need him instead of Lucic at the end of games, kid can snipe

    Or Puljujarvi or Maroon.
    Lucic was not the problem last night –
    butt there are better options in tight, insert someone else
    Furthermore I was well annoyed last night with his lack of physical follow through

  101. Pouzar says:

    EDM Prospect Watch

    @EDProspectWatch
    27m27 minutes ago

    On the same day that he signs his new contract, Filip Berglund scores his 2nd goal of the year. Skellefteå trailing Rögle 3-2 late in the 3rd.

  102. ArmchairGM says:

    Pouzar: Steve Kournianos

    @TheDraftAnalyst4m4 minutes ago

    Awesome news for both parties. Highly-intelligent player and a lot of skiil. Always played top minutes on a thin team; faced the toughest matchups but still produced.

    Uh oh. Now Chia thinks he can trade Nuge for pennies on the dollar.

  103. knighttown says:

    ashley: Both.Or are you requesting a single concluding statement for their entire body of work during the game like yours: “junk”.

    If that’s your style, then I will say they had a below average game.Their play against tough match ups was ok on the whole, but you can’t ignore a few galling errors that looked like they weren’t communicating well.It was more than the goals against.There were about four plays in total where they ended up, or were heading to do the same thing when one of them needed to be somewhere else.

    Single moments as LT would say, but those are the kind of moments that can make or break a game.And yes they are important.They need to be sharper.

    For what it’s worth, in order of “disappointing” I had them ranked:

    1. Davidson
    2. Larsson
    3. Nurse
    4. Sekera/Benning
    6. Russell

    A few highlights…
    -The Davidson pinch was moronic. I didn’t hate the Larson 2-on-1 as much as others…it really came at him fast and most 2-on-1’s you can see coming.
    -Also on the second play, Larsson didn’t do anything wrong. Davidson made a weak pass but I’d probably suggest Cammaleri was at fault as Armia shouldn’t have been able to get out there that quickly. That was a set play. Davidson shouldn’t have passed it but full marks to Armia. I can’t see blaming Larss for that one.
    – I HATED the Lars play when he was gassed in the 3rd. He had the puck 3/4 of the way out on the RW wall and simply couldn’t advance it 10 feet then got beat cleanly to re-engage the cycle and eventually take a penalty.
    – My takes on Nurse often involve his puck movement and decision making. When #97 is on the ice it’s so important to make that one clean pass so he gets possession. Wasting a McDavid shift is a cardinal sin. One shift early in the game Nurse looked off McDavid on a rush, gained the blue line and kicked it wide. But as often is the case with Nurse, he completely missed the fact that his winger was stopped so a pass to the hashmarks was 10 feet ahead of Lucic…he ended up chasing it, it turned over and the McDavid line chased the whole shift. He needs to give that puck up and then join the rush.
    – Dennis King described Nurse’s game last night pretty well. This was one of those games where he was a bit out of control and that’s when he struggles

    Sekera and Benning were mostly bleh…I don’t remember anything as toxic as you describe. Seksy had a few of his subtle little plays in the o-zone to retain possession. Benning got in good spots for shots but nothing rhymed.

    And Russell also was more bad than good but nothing noticeably awful and that shot block (which I don’t give a rats ass about) really was impressive.

    One of the problems with having a no-name defense with no discernible difference between 1 and 7 is you’ll have games like this where it feels there’s no one to turn to to calm the waters. But this is the top (and deepest) offense in the league so the smart money says chasing perfection is a fools game and bet on this group to be good enough.

  104. ArmchairGM says:

    Pouzar:
    EDM Prospect Watch

    @EDProspectWatch12s12 seconds ago

    2016 3rd round pick Filip Berglund has signed a contract extension with Skellefteå AIK that keeps him with the club for the 2018/19 season.

    Good news. He’s developing well there.

  105. ArmchairGM says:

    Thinker:
    Do we sign puljujarvi long term this summer?

    8 x $4M?

  106. T0ML says:

    For those wondering why not #FreeSleppy …. Could it not be for the purposes of playing with contract #’s at this time? Trade incoming with a roster player, you need someone who is not (At this time) a vital roster player that can be paper transacted to BAK …. which is Sleppy or Pool Party , and I know which one i’d rather in the lineup at this point in time.

  107. ArmchairGM says:

    Surrey Oiler:
    Any word on a deal for Hoffman? We need him instead of Lucic at the end of games, kid can snipe

    Lucic-for-Hoffman? Genius!

  108. dustrock says:

    Still thinking about that McDavid-Drai goal last night. Man oh man.

  109. Primetime says:

    voxwah:
    Isn’t Hebig in junior right now? If he is, his entry level deal would be an instant slider contract and wouldn’t be part of the Oilers 50 contract list this year.

    They would still be at 47 contracts. I think. Thoughts?

    Yikes, you’re right!! Quick, someone hide the Nuge! 3 for 1 is back on!!!

  110. Pescador says:

    ArmchairGM: Lucic-for-Hoffman? Genius!

    Ottawa on Lucic 30 no movement list

  111. Pouzar says:

    T0ML:
    For those wondering why not #FreeSleppy …. Could it not be for the purposes of playing with contract #’s at this time?Trade incoming with a roster player, you need someone who is not (At this time) a vital roster player that can be paper transacted to BAK …. which is Sleppy or Pool Party , and I know which one i’d rather in the lineup at this point in time.

    I know which 4 I’d rather not have in the lineup.

  112. Thinker says:

    ashley: Both.Or are you requesting a single concluding statement for their entire body of work during the game like yours: “junk”.

    If that’s your style, then I will say they had a below average game.Their play against tough match ups was ok on the whole, but you can’t ignore a few galling errors that looked like they weren’t communicating well.It was more than the goals against.There were about four plays in total where they ended up, or were heading to do the same thing when one of them needed to be somewhere else.

    Single moments as LT would say, but those are the kind of moments that can make or break a game.And yes they are important.They need to be sharper.

    Good or Bad? No nuance. That’s how we like it.

  113. Mr. D. says:

    Actually Gryba could have done better than 4 of the d last night. He can actually play defense and heavy defense is important against big fast teams.

    knighttown:
    I’ll be watching the transactional wire quite closely over the next few days when Oscar returns.The options are to waive Gryba, waive Auvitu or waive Slepy.Failing to waive Gryba will highlight a team willing to trade wins for taking care of good company men.

    You can’t keep 12 forwards and 9 defense at any time but especially when your wingers are this weak. Sleppy staying on the roster is very important.Caggs and Cammi are prone to games like this and the punishment for playing this way needs to be having a real NHLer ready to slide in.They have zero forward depth and nothing on the farm.They can’t afford to lose Slepyshev in either sense of the word “lose”.

    As for the defenseman competition.The #8 defenseman is a damn important position and will play some big minutes for this team and Auvitu clearly won the job.Rotate Davidson and Benning in and out of the #6/7 spot, Auvitu at #8 and Gryba on the farm or gone.

    I feel violently strongly about both of these decisions.Forward competition or the battle of the #8 defensemen…either competition gives the same result…Gryba should be waived.

  114. GMB3 says:

    Mr. D.:
    Actually Gryba could have done better than 4 of the d last night. He can actually play defense and heavy defense is important against big fast teams.

    You are one of the only people who think Gryba should still be in the NHL

  115. GMB3 says:

    Ostap Safin is not a great skater. Or especially physical for his size. I expected more of a player from the reports on his play in the Q

  116. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Pouzar:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    Where do you get your GSAA numbers?

    corsica.hockey

  117. Thinker says:

    dustrock:
    Still thinking about that McDavid-Drai goal last night. Man oh man.

    It’s why we need someone with some speed and finishing ability to play with connor. I don’t think you necessarily need to break the bank; a player like Cogliano might be able to fill that role.

  118. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    knighttown,

    Sekera and Benning were mostly bleh…I don’t remember anything as toxic as you describe. Seksy had a few of his subtle little plays in the o-zone to retain possession. Benning got in good spots for shots but nothing rhymed.

    There were also a few times that EDM was running around like chickens with their heads cut off in the dzone and Seksey got the puck, shook his checker and opened up some ice to advance the puck out.

    Was the only one doing that on a regular basis.

    Like you I though he and Russell were the least putrid last night.

    Russell had a few headman passes that were not near tape and he wasn’t under pressure that resulted in WPG regaining the puck but that’s expected from him a few times a game.

  119. Scungilli Slushy says:

    I’d really like to see this team with a RHD better than Benning, push him down to 3rd pair where he would be better given his struggles since his injury.

    Maybe Sekera when he’s knocked the rust off. To me it’s the biggest issue right now. I value D that can efficiently limit D zone time and great if they can do more. The overall team play would be better with a better balanced top 4.

    It’s like the good old days. If only a couple of D are playing at a good level each game it drags those guys down, and messes up the game flow and attack for the forwards. Also hard on the goalie.

  120. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Reid Wilkins

    @ReidWilkins
    Maintenance day for Sekera.

    McLellan says Auvitu could potentially play forward.

    I like that kind of flexibility in the 23rd man.

  121. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Reid Wilkins


    @ReidWilkins
    Maintenance day for Sekera.

    McLellan says Auvitu could potentially play forward.

    I like that kind of flexibility in the 23rd man.

    Slepy should learn to play D.

  122. JimmyV1965 says:

    Pescador:
    Can’t wait for the day that Puljujarvi is substantial enough to leave Lucic on the bench in the ‘need a goal’ moments. Anyone else notice Milan holding back on checks last night, He injured or being lazy?

    I though he was very physical

  123. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    I’d really like to see this team with a RHD better than Benning, push him down to 3rd pair where he would be better given his struggles since his injury.

    Maybe Sekera when he’s knocked the rust off. To me it’s the biggest issue right now. I value D that can efficiently limit D zone time and great if they can do more. The overall team play would be better with a better balanced top 4.

    It’s like the good old days. If only a couple of D are playing at a good level each game it drags those guys down, and messes up the game flow and attack for the forwards. Also hard on the goalie.

    2RD was a huge issue last year too.

    EDM got away with it since 2-4 had a 1035 PDO (driven by a .954 SV%) that vaulted their 48.5% FF to a 62.5%GF.

    This year 25-4 are much better in terms of FF% with a 57.4%. 992 PDO dragging it down a bit to a 54.2% GF, but its still healthy.

    Maybe 4 is the solution if he and 25 keep playing this well, but you *know* a good actual RHD would produce better results there. 25 is driving that bus.

    Also,

    (this rant not directed at you SS)

    While the subject is at hand, where are all the posters who said Russell drove a higher SV% than most Dmen (even though he didn’t do that in CGY)?

    He and Nurse have a ONSV% of .897

    Kinda like Dmen don’t drive SV% much eh?

    I believe that leaky Dman can help drive a SV% down a little bit, especially if they see the best all the time, but the evidence that any Dman can drive SV% up is pretty scant to non-existent.

    Russell’s Relative SV% last 4 years:
    17/18: -1.48
    16/17: +1.25
    15/16: -1.01
    15/16: +0.70

    Either he only feels like driving SV% higher every other year or maybe Dmen don’t drive SV% much.

    Also,

    Same people went on and on about Russell driving SV% also went on about how not having Larsson caused Schneider’s SV% to dive and caused Talbot’s to go up.

    This year:
    Talbot .907
    Schneider .923

    Hmmmmmm.

    Better go back to the drawing board on that one too eh?

    /rant

  124. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Slepy should learn to play D.

    Freaking great idea.

    They need a RHS who is also a good skater in that spot.

  125. JimmyV1965 says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    If they aren’t going to make the playoffs, I hope it’s clear before the deadline. I would love to see all heavy legs but Lucic and Drai moved and faster players promoted or acquired.

    To me this team needs to have a fast aggressive forecheck as they transition (which will be years) to a more mature game. The core is young, it won’t happen overnight, rarely does. Sure playing smart can make up for average skating, the problem is when a team has good D and is playing well speed is necessary to take time away. These are the teams the Oilers struggle with.

    Lucic and Drai are enough in the PF department of guys that aren’t fluid skaters IMO. The bottom 6 especially needs good skaters so they can press teams consistently. I wish I knew what Slepy is doing wrong, I can’t see how he isn’t better than Camalleri or Strome and Cags many games.

    Not trying to be a jerk, but why on earth would you think the Oil don’t have good forechecking team? When they’re on their game, the Oil are a great forechecking team. One of the best in the league. They just happened to suck last night. Everyone basically had an off night, but it was the defence that looked particularly awful. Our big guys didn’t play well, but no one did. I thought we put to bed this notion that we are a slow team. And by the way, did you notice Drai blow past two Jet defenders on the PK goal? To say he has heavy feet is simply not true.

  126. who says:

    Professor Q: Wait for what? His two years are up. His agent already got what they wanted last year. Earlier contract negotiations.

    If I’m his agent I tell him to wait til the end of his ELC. His numbers are only going to gp up. I would bet on myself if I were him.

  127. jtblack says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    “/rant”

    PC signing of Russell almost helped gurantee mediocrity on the blueline for 3 – 4 yrs. PC has been tasked with building a Cup winner. The Defesnse as it stands is Average? slightly above average? But I think we can all agree it is Not GREAT or ELITE.

    Forwards would be Above Average, possibly GREAT but not ELITE (yet).

    I am not sure how PC plans to “Balance / Fix” the D. But until then we will have up and down nights AND up and down stretches.

    I know Letang is prob not an option, but IMO he could take this team to the next level. Plenty of risk if we did get him, but he is an AAA Offensive RHD.

  128. who says:

    ArmchairGM: 8 x $4M?

    I think it would take at least that to lock him up at the end of the season. Might not be enough.
    Assuming he stays with Connor and finishes with 15 -20 goals.

  129. leadfarmer says:

    Woodguy v2.0: 2RD was a huge issue last year too.

    EDM got away with it since 2-4 had a 1035 PDO (driven by a .954 SV%) that vaulted their 48.5% FF to a 62.5%GF.

    This year 25-4 are much better in terms of FF% with a 57.4%.992 PDO dragging it down a bit to a 54.2% GF, but its still healthy.

    Maybe 4 is the solution if he and 25 keep playing this well, but you *know* a good actual RHD would produce better results there.25 is driving that bus.

    Also,

    (this rant not directed at you SS)

    While the subject is at hand, where are all the posters who said Russell drove a higher SV% than most Dmen (even though he didn’t do that in CGY)?

    He and Nurse have a ONSV% of .897

    Kinda like Dmen don’t drive SV% much eh?

    I believe that leaky Dman can help drive a SV% down a little bit, especially if they see the best all the time, but the evidence that any Dman can drive SV% up is pretty scant to non-existent.

    Russell’s Relative SV% last 4 years:
    17/18: -1.48
    16/17: +1.25
    15/16: -1.01
    15/16: +0.70

    Either he only feels like driving SV% higher every other year or maybe Dmen don’t drive SV% much.

    Also,

    Same people went on and on about Russell driving SV% also went on about how not having Larsson caused Schneider’s SV% to dive and caused Talbot’s to go up.

    This year:
    Talbot .907
    Schneider.923

    Hmmmmmm.

    Better go back to the drawing board on that one too eh?

    /rant

    Probably same people that expected Devils to be a basement dweller this year because of, well Corsi

  130. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Woodguy v2.0: 2RD was a huge issue last year too.

    EDM got away with it since 2-4 had a 1035 PDO (driven by a .954 SV%) that vaulted their 48.5% FF to a 62.5%GF.

    This year 25-4 are much better in terms of FF% with a 57.4%.992 PDO dragging it down a bit to a 54.2% GF, but its still healthy.

    Maybe 4 is the solution if he and 25 keep playing this well, but you *know* a good actual RHD would produce better results there.25 is driving that bus.

    Also,

    (this rant not directed at you SS)

    While the subject is at hand, where are all the posters who said Russell drove a higher SV% than most Dmen (even though he didn’t do that in CGY)?

    He and Nurse have a ONSV% of .897

    Kinda like Dmen don’t drive SV% much eh?

    I believe that leaky Dman can help drive a SV% down a little bit, especially if they see the best all the time, but the evidence that any Dman can drive SV% up is pretty scant to non-existent.

    Russell’s Relative SV% last 4 years:
    17/18: -1.48
    16/17: +1.25
    15/16: -1.01
    15/16: +0.70

    Either he only feels like driving SV% higher every other year or maybe Dmen don’t drive SV% much.

    Also,

    Same people went on and on about Russell driving SV% also went on about how not having Larsson caused Schneider’s SV% to dive and caused Talbot’s to go up.

    This year:
    Talbot .907
    Schneider.923

    Hmmmmmm.

    Better go back to the drawing board on that one too eh?

    /rant

    Russell had an unusual GF% over a few years IIRC, Bruce did a write up. His style still isn’t my cup of tea. To me he’s like Fayne except he blocks shots and is perhaps a better skater, but it doesn’t really matter because he gives up the zone and defends positionally like Fayne and can’t seem to use skating to get in a good place to pass out of the D zone reliably.

    I suppose it usually works for him in terms of not getting scored on, but I think it drags everything down, especially when he holds the puck forever waiting for line changes, so often. I like how Larsson breaks up entries efficiently and breaks cycles when he plays well, which is usually.

    To me efficient D zone play is the minimum level of ability needed and if they have offense great. I would only give a handful of D in the league a pass on that, most just can’t drive play enough to be one dimensional. Or have to be so sheltered that creates it’s own issues.

  131. who says:

    GMB3:
    Ostap Safin is not a great skater. Or especially physical for his size. I expected more of a player from the reports on his play in the Q

    Don’t mind his skating but he just seems sleepy out there. Lethargic would be a good word.
    I question his overall hockey sense and drive but maybe that will develop. Then again maybe thats why he was still available in the 5th round.

  132. Scungilli Slushy says:

    who: I think it would take at least that to lock him up at the end of the season. Might not be enough.
    Assuming he stays with Connor and finishes with 15 -20goals.

    You also don’t want to lowball a player with his talent and have him well underpaid for that long a term, and sign lesser players to higher paid market deals. That is a recipe for unhappy campers.

    I think it’s part of why Leon was overpaid, they are betting in a few years it will be value and he’ll still feel well paid enough. Doughty and Karlsson don’t seem to happy PK makes a whack more than they do even if on a different team.

  133. GMB3 says:

    who: Don’t mind his skating but he just seems sleepy out there. Lethargic would be a good word.
    I question his overall hockey sense and drive but maybe that will develop. Then again maybe thats why he was still available in the 5th round.

    I agree man. He seems disinterested. Just a passenger

  134. Johnny Gonzo says:

    I dunno guys, maybe just maybe these guys are hungover, jetlagged, dazed n confused or all of the above. I know they get paid big bucks but it really felt like a bunch of brain farts last night. And they still almost tied it up at the end. Willing to give ’em a pass. It’s one game after the xmas break. If it keeps up for a couple more games then we can start calling Larsson, Davidson, and Russel deadbeat bums. Also there was a couple times Sekera looks like he was having issues skating. Oh and fucking Winterpeg ain’t a bad team. G’oilers!!

  135. Scungilli Slushy says:

    JimmyV1965: Not trying to be a jerk, but why on earth would you think the Oil don’t have good forechecking team? When they’re on their game, the Oil are a great forechecking team. One of the best in the league. They just happened to suck last night. Everyone basically had an off night, but it was the defence that looked particularly awful. Our big guys didn’t play well, but no one did. I thought we put to bed this notion that we are a slow team. And by the way, did you notice Drai blow past two Jet defenders on the PK goal? To say he has heavy feet is simply not true.

    They forecheck teams well when they can get the puck deep and the D isn’t turning the puck around really quickly. I think they struggle with teams that hold them up or get back and pass it out before they get in. I mean for the average skaters. Slepy and Kassian for example when they use their speed disrupt a lot of breakouts because they get in so fast on the D and take their time away.

    Leon has top end speed but isn’t ‘quick’. He is ‘heavy’ skater, McLellan was on him about not moving his legs. Lucic, Maroon and Strome are the same. They work hard to get around. They tend to not take a lot of strides and when they don’t they are coasting too much. Of course Lucic and Drai can protect the puck when they have it, but getting in fast can be inconsistent unless they have a head of steam and the puck is placed well.

    Some players, like McDavid of course, are effortless skaters. JP can move really well for a big guy, and he doesn’t look to be working half as hard as the more lumbering skaters. Klefbom and Larsson – Klefbom is heavier but looks lighter on the ice because his skating is so much more fluid. I think the Oilers need a few more quick forwards.

  136. leadfarmer says:

    Isles looking for a top 4 defenseman. Will someone please unplug Chias phone

  137. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Gryba for Barzal!

  138. geowal says:

    leadfarmer:
    Isles looking for a top 4 defenseman.Will someone please unplug Chias phone

    Why? What if they think Russell is top four? Not an untouchable imo…

  139. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Nuge for Pesce!

  140. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Seriously what about Mike Green? The Wings have Franks on them just waiting for celery and blue cheese. IF he agrees to a reasonable contract pre, I’d trade Benning for him. 3 x 4M? No NMC.

  141. Munny says:

    From the Friedman 31:

    I worry about writing this kind of sentence because things change and it blows up in my face, but it doesn’t seem like there’s an Edmonton-Ottawa match for Mike Hoffman – curious to see if a Carolina or a St. Louis looks at him.

  142. Munny says:

    Also, Friedman didn’t even glance Edmonton’s way when discussing possible trade matches for Letang.

  143. Thinker says:

    leadfarmer:
    Isles looking for a top 4 defenseman.Will someone please unplug Chias phone

    Klef for Eberle? Klef for Dal Colle is probably more realistic, but we may need to add the first.

  144. Thinker says:

    Scungilli Slushy: You also don’t want to lowball a player with his talent and have him well underpaid for that long a term, and sign lesser players to higher paid market deals. That is a recipe for unhappy campers.

    I think it’s part of why Leon was overpaid, they are betting in a few years it will be value and he’ll still feel well paid enough. Doughty and Karlsson don’t seem to happy PK makes a whack more than they do even if on a different team.

    He can deal with 4million. It’s better than what Draisaitl decided to do after his payday.

  145. Professor Q says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    Nuge for Pesce!

    How about for Pesci?

  146. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Professor Q: How about for Pesci?

    You think I’m funny, like a clown??!!!!!!!!!!’nnn

  147. Melvis says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Freaking great idea.

    They need a RHS who is also a good skater in that spot.

    I’ve said this before….seriously, Kassian should learn to play defence.

    In my defence, I saw Josh Morrissey good when Rom was raving about Drai. Now he’s what the front office might have hoped for in Shultz.

  148. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Melvis: I’ve said this before….seriously, Kassian should learn to play defence.

    In my defence, I saw Josh Morrissey good when Rom was raving about Drai. Now he’s what the front office might have hoped for in Shultz.

    If someone could deal with the bees chasing him he’d be a formidable guy to go into the tough areas against. Like Stevens bad. Probably would get 20 PM a game.

  149. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Slepy should learn to play D.

    Woodguy v2.0: Freaking great idea.

    They need a RHS who is also a good skater in that spot.

    Wonder if he can skate backwards well enough… would be an interesting idea if he can…

  150. Melvis says:

    Scungilli Slushy,

    He’s also a fast skating, puck moving right hander who has learned a few lessons the hard way. I suspect he’s open to and can be taught a more disciplined approach and still be fucking scary in the role.

    And as LT pointed out, his value would certainly increase. I think I’m going to tweet him with a question/ suggestion.

  151. OriginalPouzar says:

    Benson was only -2 in an 11-0 loss – I guess that is a plus.

  152. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Melvis:
    Scungilli Slushy,

    He’s also a fast skating, puck moving right hander who haslearned a few lessons the hard way. I suspect he’s open to andcan be taught a more disciplined approach and still be fucking scary in the role.

    And as LT pointed out, his value would certainly increase. I think I’m going to tweet him with a question/ suggestion.

    Look what a few guys spitballing can come up with.

  153. Professor Q says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Benson was only -2 in an 11-0 loss – I guess that is a plus.

    Technically a -2 is still a minus, though, not a plus.

    Though being a plus in a shutout loss would be impressive.

  154. OriginalPouzar says:

    So, without anyone going on waivers today (Gryba), does that mean that Slep is being re-assigned to Bakersfield to make room from Klefbom tomorrow?

    That keeps 9 d-men on the roster (although I guess Auvitu is technically being used as a hybrid).

    I see no reason why Auvitu should get a single shift at forward over Slepyshev considering, you know, Auvitu is a d-man and Slepyshev is a forward – waiver eligibility notwithtanding.

    If they want to transition Auvitu to a forward, they should try and do so in the AHL – waiver exposure notwithstanding.

    Half way through the season when every point is hugely important is not the time to experiment with changing positions.

  155. deardylan says:

    Sloppy and entertaining. I am amazed that 3 day break in hockey is regarded as a long break for the players. 3 days would go in a blink of the eye. Maybe a short break is smarter than longer one looking at how sluggish and sloppy both teams were when they returned. Might be the ice caretaker and zamboni taking holidays too.

    Three questions:

    1. Some of the big guys on Oil seem to struggle to catch up to speed after holidays. Was this the case after breaks in past years also? Which big guys didn’t struggle (Khaira) and what did they NOT eat/drink during their holidays?

    2. Wonder what the diet of NHL players is during their breaks and if big alcohol consumption plays a role in slowing any of the pro athletes down?

    3. Does alcohol affect analytics? Any correlation?

  156. Pescador says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    So, without anyone going on waivers today (Gryba), does that mean that Slep is being re-assigned to Bakersfield to make room from Klefbom tomorrow?

    That keeps 9 d-men on the roster (although I guess Auvitu is technically being used as a hybrid).

    I see no reason why Auvitu should get a single shift at forward over Slepyshev considering, you know, Auvitu is a d-man and Slepyshev is a forward – waiver eligibility notwithtanding.

    If they want to transition Auvitu to a forward, they should try and do so in the AHL – waiver exposure notwithstanding.

    Half way through the season when every point is hugely important is not the time to experiment with changing positions.

    I’m gonna say no, it just means that Gryba goes on waivers tomorrow

  157. OriginalPouzar says:

    I really like the Cameron Hebig signing.

    Not a big guy but a right shot center who is 11th in the Dub in scoring and 56% on the dot (granted, as an overager at 20).

    Should be slated for Bakersfield in the fall (maybe after the Blades season is done) and should help the offence next year along with Benson and Yamamoto.

    Condors should get a night influx of skill up front next year.

  158. Melvis says:

    Scungilli Slushy,

    Not that I haven’t noticed a few dedicated hobbiests and enthusiasts prone to cooking up observations and scenarios that seem to have eluded the OBC’s in a few front offices. Hockey just seems well short of creative thinkers a lot of the time…imho.

  159. OriginalPouzar says:

    Pescador: I’m gonna say no, it just means that Gryba goes on waivers tomorrow

    They wouldn’t be able to activate Klef though – can’t re-assign a guy until after the waiver exposure period is over – so, in order to get Gryba off the roster to activate Klef for tomorrow night, Gryba would have had to go on waivers today.

  160. Ryan says:

    leadfarmer:
    Isles looking for a top 4 defenseman.Will someone please unplug Chias phone

    I’d hope by now that someone has added Snow’s number to the blocked caller list on Chiarelli’s cell Phone.

  161. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    thehop,

    Although you have evidently decided to go back to skipping my posts, I just wanted to say that I replied to you in terms I hope you would find civil in the game thread from yesterday. Consider it an olive branch. Have a good evening.

  162. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Ryan: I’d hope by now that someone has added Snow’s number to the blocked caller list on Chiarelli’s cell Phone.

    Trading with both Alberta teams has saved Snow’s job.

  163. Melvis says:

    OriginalPouzar: I see no reason why Auvitu should get a single shift at forward over Slepyshev considering, you know, Auvitu is a d-man and Slepyshev is a forward –

    The oracle of original has spoken. Let it be so. Although that inflexible coach of ours might deign to try something a little bit different….playing Auvitu at forward, a position he’s played in the past.

  164. Pescador says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): Trading with both Alberta teams has saved Snow’s job.

    Fact

  165. Pescador says:

    OriginalPouzar: They wouldn’t be able to activate Klef though – can’t re-assign a guy until after the waiver exposure period is over – so, in order to get Gryba off the roster to activate Klef for tomorrow night, Gryba would have had to go on waivers today.

    Sooo assign Slep, waive Grub, recall Slep?

  166. Munny says:

    OriginalPouzar: So, without anyone going on waivers today (Gryba), does that mean that Slep is being re-assigned to Bakersfield to make room from Klefbom tomorrow?

    That’s the most likely option. Another is that Klef isn’t quite ready. A third is that someone else is going on the IR. And the fourth, and least likely option, is a trade.

  167. OriginalPouzar says:

    Pescador: Sooo assign Slep, waive Grub, recall Slep?

    Sure but, if they were going to do that, they would have just waived Gryba in the first instance, wouldn’t they have?

  168. OriginalPouzar says:

    Munny: That’s the most likely option. Another is that Klef isn’t quite ready. A third is that someone else is going on the IR. And the fourth, and least likely option, is a trade.

    Yes, I agree but I would say option #1 is about 90%.

  169. Bruce McCurdy says:

    PhrankLee: Signed in and everything to say this very thing. Curses!!

    On a side note my sons got me tickets to your avatar namesake in July. So psyched. Last time I saw them was in the 80s.

    Good day, nobly named sir.

    Have seen Jethro Tull six times, mostly in the ’70s but twice at the Jube in more recent years, in one of which Ian Anderson referred to the “Jolly Jethros” & the “incredibly fucking old Jethros” in his opening remarks.

    Band is (or should I say, was) still solid, mostly formed of the core group or at least guys that played with the band at some point during their peak years. They were still playing the old 12/8 time signature stuff wth energy & experience, but Anderson himself has developed what I called a “voice impediment” where it seemed a mammoth struggle for him to force the vocals out.

    Fun group; in their heyday had a fanfuckingtastic stage show that never disappointed. Their Thick as a Brick tour in ’72 (opening act: The Eagles) at the Edmonton Gardens remains on my short list of favourite concerts ever.

    Enjoy!

  170. Jethro Tull says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    That’s awesome, Bruce. All my monikers come from my dad’s favorite bands. Uriah Heap would be my next choice. Deep Purple another. Sad that I will never get to see them and womder who we will be talking about in the same way 20 yrs from now!

    The (Cast off) Kinks often play in my parents’ local pub.

  171. Munny says:

    OriginalPouzar: Yes, I agree but I would say option #1 is about 90%.

    They may also be holding off making a decision until tomorrow, when they can be more certain about Klef, paper send Sleppy down, then waive someone.

  172. Pescador says:

    OriginalPouzar: Sure but, if they were going to do that, they would have just waived Gryba in the first instance, wouldn’t they have?

    You don’t think I wasn’t already thinking that?
    What are you thinking,
    In all seriousness,
    I don’t know what the hell they are doing anymore

  173. Yeti says:

    Pescador: I don’t know what the hell they are doing anymore

    We violently wait to find out.

  174. texmex says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    There is non roster waivers as well. Stauffer was talking about it today. Section 16.12 of the CBA.

    It’s not ideal and very seldom used is my understanding.

  175. Pouzar says:

    Melvis: The oracle of original has spoken. Let it be so. Although that inflexible coach of ours might deign to try something a little bit different….playing Auvitu at forward, a position he’s played in the past.

    How about benching the entire sad sack BS 4th line?

    #FreeSlepy
    #FreeSlepyCrowd

  176. Pouzar says:

    Jordan Oesterle…

    10 gms now…54.7 CF% (1.2 rel).

  177. OriginalPouzar says:

    texmex:
    OriginalPouzar,

    There is non roster waivers as well. Stauffer was talking about it today. Section 16.12 of the CBA.

    It’s not ideal and very seldom used is my understanding.

    I looked at that a few weeks ago – doesn’t seem to fit our scenario.

    Fairly confident Slepy will be re-assigned if no one else is hurt enough to go on the IR.

  178. OriginalPouzar says:

    Pouzar:
    Jordan Oesterle…

    10 gms now…54.7 CF% (1.2 rel).

    Key there is “10 game”.

    He’s been a healthy scratch more often than in the lineup.

    He’d be a healthy scratch in Edmonton as well – fighting for a lineup spot.

  179. OriginalPouzar says:

    Maksimov assists on the tying goal late and scores the OT winner.

    Team Russia could use him.

  180. Pouzar says:

    OriginalPouzar: Key there is “10 game”.

    He’s been a healthy scratch more often than in the lineup.

    He’d be a healthy scratch in Edmonton as well – fighting for a lineup spot.

    You can only do what you can when you get a chance.

    On the power house 2015-16 Oilers he was 50.6 CF% ( 4.8 rel) in 17 games.

    For the Hawks, he is playing roughly 20 min a night now. He got his shot when Franson went down with injury. While healthy enough to play, Franson hasn’t been able to draw back in because of Oesterle’s play.

    EDIT: He’s also 1st pairing with Keith right now.

  181. Pescador says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Maksimov assists on the tying goal late and scores the OT winner.

    Team Russia could use him.

    Next year he will help them & we will watch. Hopefully along with whichever high end RHD they select in the coming draft

  182. VOR says:

    deardylan:
    Sloppy and entertaining.I am amazed that 3 day break in hockey is regarded as a long break for the players.3 days would go in a blink of the eye. Maybe a short break is smarter than longer one looking at how sluggish and sloppy both teams were when they returned.Might be the ice caretaker and zamboni taking holidays too.

    Three questions:

    1. Some of the big guys on Oil seem to struggle to catch up to speed after holidays. Was this the case after breaks in past years also?Which big guys didn’t struggle (Khaira) and what did they NOT eat/drink during their holidays?

    2.Wonder what the diet of NHL players is during their breaks and if big alcohol consumption plays a role in slowing any of the pro athletes down?

    3. Does alcohol affect analytics?Any correlation?

    I am about to do that thing I do that really annoys some of you. I am going to tell you all sorts of useless information about the effects of alcohol on the human body. And along the way I will probably sound more than a little pedantic. I will be drawing on personal experience with athletes and alcohol and some of those years I spent wandering in Academia.

    It takes way longer than you think for alcohol to clear the human body. Subtle effects can show up for 24 hours after your last drink. Micro effects can occur for up to 48 hours. These time lines are dose dependent by the way so if you drink to excess you can easily double those timelines.

    The problem is that micro bubbles caused by the consumption of alcohol get stuck on tiny hairs in your inner ears and screw up your balance. Now for most of us these small disruptions to our balance are just one, not very important, part of the symptoms we refer to as a hangover. But imagine if you are a surgeon or a pilot. Now you will notice these balance problems far more than the rest of the population.

    Some airlines won’t let a pilot fly until at least 24 hours of their last drink. Truthfully they would make it longer than that if they had access to a test for these micro-trace levels of alcohol in the blood stream. In simulations, with experienced pilots in simulators the effects of even moderate alcohol consumption can be seen in diminished performance on even routine tasks up to 48 hours after the last drink.

    Now needless to say many high performance athletes drink alcohol in significant quantities. It is part of the culture of many sports. Mick Jones told me he was so concerned about his heavy alcohol use and its effect that he’d go two weeks without a drink before he climbed. Mick is a former SAS non-commissioned officer who was in his prime the best rock climber in the world. On flat land I honestly never saw him with out a libation in his hand. He was convinced alcohol, altitude, and highly technical climbing was a ticket to the morgue.

    That was in the 70s. Modern research has shown he was right in ways that we would never have guessed back then. A history of recent extensive drinking makes the risk of altitude sickness much greater and symptoms occur at far lower altitudes.

    I used to think a lot about Mick, an arrogant little Welshman who occasionally, usually when inebriated, liked to remind anyone who would listen that he could kill you in 30 different ways with his bare hands, while I was coaching pole vault.This is because Mick had a strange hobby. In probably began with him wanting to prove what a great climber he was. He would drag a young, terrified woman, up some major rock wall, like El Capitan in Yosemite. While doing this he’d take these great pictures, professional quality, of these women’s struggles. Mick travelled the world training SAS commandos and everywhere he went he’d stage slide shows of these climbs. You’d never see pictures of him, just these women, always stunning eye candy.

    Most of you are thinking Mick was an asshole. But were you to go back and look at those pictures today you’d see something else. You would see the world changing and women’s climbing becoming a main stream sport. In those pictures you would find women who would go onto to break the glass ceiling on Everest, Anapurna, K2, the Troll Wall, El Captain, etc. And they dragged men up those climbs. I don’t think they took cheesecake photos of their male climbing partners along the way but you never know.

    Now what the hell does that have to do with pole vaulting? Well right off the bat you should know pole vaulting attracts serious adrenalin junkies. The sort of person that chases an adrenalin fix will chase other fixes. I learned recovery position as a way of looking after pole vaulters who had passed out from binge drinking so they wouldn’t choke on their own vomit. I have had to deal with vaulters having bad acid trips, bad mushroom trips, riding uppers and downers, and so on.

    And you often can’t tell how inebriated they are when they are competing. Other than they typically don’t do very well and break a lot of poles. It is really on the ground their drug use catches up with them. Unless of course they are women.

    Years ago there were just two coaches in North America who would coach women in the pole vault. We worked together. We didn’t start off planning to coach women’s pole vault. I did what was called pit duty. Some coach has to make sure the equipment is set up and taken down every day and make sure nobody gets seriously hurt. Thus since the pit is what we call the landing area pit duty.

    One day as I am getting ready to put the pit away this girl, and she was still a girl then, walks up to me and asks if she can try pole vault. She was in one of the track classes I taught (remember my saying I spent some years being a sessional and more stuck in Post Doc hell – you wouldn’t believe the stuff I taught) so I said sure.

    Next thing I knew I had more than a dozen women I was coaching in the pole vault. Within a year they were coming from around the world. I set up meets for those women and miraculously other women showed up. They came from the US, Australia, and yes, Russia. I met rogue coaches from Russia, Britian, Australia, Germany and South Africa. All of us coaching women in a sport they could never compete in at any sanctioned event anywhere in the world.

    In what seemed like the blink of an eye I was coaching women in any number of un-sanctioned sports. Triple jump was actually the second but soon I had quite a roster.

    But it was back in the early days that I used to think about Mick. I would be standing beside the pit filming young women who often were just taking a dare from friends and yet I knew I was co-enabling a revolution. By then of course I was starting to charm young women into trying pole vault. For those of you who have never tried the sport it is an incredible blood rush. So yes I wanted to share my love of the sport but possibly a little Svengali had slipped in there.

    As it happens body mass and gender are important compounding factors in determining the effects of alcohol on the human body. These women I was coaching were addicted to the thrill. That behaviour was accompanied by among other things heavy drinking. Smaller bodies, different biology, and larger consumption than my male vaulters created a perfect environment for studying the impact of alcohol on athletic performance. Especially since I taped all of their practices.

    It was in the rock back you noticed it. At that moment where the vaulter is at the end of a highly bent pole with their head pointed straight at the ground that the effects of alcohol were unmistakable. They’d wait too long to extend. Poles snapped. They released to the side, couldn’t complete the extension and often totally mistimed the extension. In other words, alcohol, women, and vaulting were a really dangerous combination. Missing the pit altogether was not uncommon.

    When I pointed this out my athletes accused me of being a sexist with a double standard. Eventually the evidence convinced me they were right. Alcohol reduces human performance. The evidence is overwhelming and nobody gives a shit. But your question is quite fair and the answer is well known. Drinking and elite athletics don’t mix. But suggesting so gets you fire bombed. Trust me, been there, done that, have the t-shirt.

    Can I tell you for certain alcohol consumption ever caused a team to lose an NHL game? No. I can however tell you this. Pilots are especially at risk from alcohol consumption. This is because rapid accent causes more bubbles to come out of your blood and adhere to your inner ear hairs. A tip, don’t fly drunk or hungover. So the road team will always be more vulnerable to alcohol than the home team. The closer to the consumption you fly the more problematic the bubble problem will be. An early morning flight after a night of drinking might not be a good idea.

    I am not certain what impact impairment in fine balance would have on professional hockey players. Given it has been shown to have an effect in soccer, basketball, baseball, and football I am guessing NHL players don’t get a free pass. I am, however, unclear on how it would effect them and their performance.

  183. Spooky Lynx says:

    VOR,

    Fascinating stuff. Thanks for posting VOR.

  184. deardylan says:

    VOR: DEARDYLAN

    Wow VR that was a whole story within a story. Thanks for sharing. As usual I learned some things I never knew and saw from new perspectives. Never tried hardcore rock climbing, flying a plane or polevaulting although in the next life I will definitely ask for one of those sports.

    Guess a pro athlete these days has to really be a pro in what they eat and drink especially during breaks. Do GMs and coaches have a role in this? Or is it up to the agents and players? I’m guessing a small 1% change in habits (drugs, pain killers, relationships, alcohol, food) can make or break $$$ in such a competitive and short term career. #Tiger

    In a future question I also wonder what positive effect on the analytics is due to the tenderlovecare from girlfriends & wives of the GM, coach, team & players?!

  185. OriginalPouzar says:

    Time to beat the Hawks – 2 points, coming up!

  186. €v¥£€u§ says:

    VOR,

    Interesting stuff as always good sir,

    Thank you!

  187. €v¥£€u§ says:

    I have changed my moniker from Evilas, as the former spelling likely appeared semi-satanic I am guessing. If anyone cares, the pronounciation is EE-VEE-LEE-US.

    Flying back to Calgary in about 17 hrs, landing Saturday evening. The temperature here has been around 20 C and I was wearing short sleeves for a few days when it was between 22-24. Some of the locals, who are mostly wearing winter jackets, were heard commenting that because I eat so much beef I can handle the cold, lol. It is very interesting how people think in different parts of the world.

    Had a great day, as most days have been. Drove with friends to a mountain top, where we ended up at a 1,000 year old Buddhist temple. Lots of houses up there, but surprisingly very little traffic on the brand-new road we travelled on; it was a refreshing change from the city.

    Even with the constant noise, it eventually becomes bearable and I can see a future for myself living in China in the next 3-5 years. In the last 2 weeks I have only seen about 2 dozen foreigners and only 3 others in this city, 2 of whom were on stage as performers at the Christmas party I attended a few days ago.

    Despite the seeming chaos with how drivers drive, randomly using signal lights and always honking, the roads are safer than in Canada (speed limit is 60 km/hr in all cities, but there are no stop signs or yield signs, but plenty of traffic lights). The lack of rules actually start to make sense when you have gone for a few rides, of course the worst examples of drivers are cabbies and this does skewer your perception.

    Not looking forward to the cold and snow, but at least I am finally returning from a vacation where I have avoided a cold spell. I usually come home to blizzards or am greeted by -30 temperatures when I return to Canada in the winter. Hopefully it was an uneventful cold snap for everyone.

    Enjoy the game, I look forward to reading the comments.

    #freeslepy
    #freekarlsson

    Goilers!!

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