Standing on the shoreline, first day of 2018

I was absolutely determined to fade draft coverage until January, even after the crabby start by the town team. Oilers fans have become draft experts over the years, to the point where thousands of northern Alberta residents intuitively know the difference in value between the No. 5 overall and No. 12 overall selection. Folks, we made it through December but my guess is January is going to see talk of missing the playoffs rise from a whisper to a scream.

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2017-18

  • Oilers in October 2017: 3-6-1, goal differential -11 (7 points)
  • Oilers in November 2017: 7-8-1, goal differential -5 (15 points)
  • Oilers in December 2017: 7-5-1, goal differential +4 (15 points)
  • Oilers 2017-18: 17-19-3, goal differential -12 (37 points)

December was the first month of the season where Edmonton resembled a playoff team (15 points in 13 games projects out to 94.6 points over 82 games) but the wins dried up before the team could begin to pay back the sins of October and November.

I have no idea what these young men do in modern times, but suspect Mr. Jones (who is from my generation) may be projecting a distant past here. Either way, this is a few times this year coach McLellan has exercised his authority, not sure how many times a coach can do that and have an impact. I’m not going to do the numbers from last night’s game, watching it was punishment enough. If you want to suss through the numbers, NaturalStatTrick is your friend. From Daryl Katz to the lowest man on the employee roster, last night’s game is probably still on everyone’s mind this morning.

Look, you can argue Hall and Eberle and all else until the cows come home, but effort and push back comes from all teams who are engaged. I’ve watched some sad sack Oilers teams with little talent show more gumption than last night’s Oilers and that’s a damned large concern today.

YEAR OVER YEAR, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • December 2015: 7-5-1, goal differential -7 (15 points)
  • December 2016: 7-2-4, goal differential +3 (18 points)
  • December 2017: 7-5-1, goal differential +4 (15 points)

No matter what this team does, the resemblance between 2015-16 and this year keeps coming back like Sonny & Cher in Groundhog Day. Hard nose the highway in January, I don’t think these Edmonton Oilers can grab 15 points in the next 31 days (there are just 10 games).

AFTER 39, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers 15-16: 15-21-3, goal differential -24 (33 points)
  • Oilers 16-17: 19-13-7, goal differential +8 (45 points)
  • Oilers 17-18: 17-19-3, goal differential -11 (37 points)

All that hard work that brought the team a 6-2-0 record leading up to Christmas has been given back since the break. Not much you can say, beyond they’ll remember this feeling next fall and perhaps that will steel them against the wind. The Oilers are seven points back of the final wild card spot this morning, if they’d won the three games after Christmas that number would be two points behind. If wishes were horses, beggars would ride.

WHAT TO EXPECT IN DECEMBER

  • On the road to: Calgary (Expected: 0-0-1) (Actual: 1-0-0)
  • At home to: Philadelphia (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual: 0-1-0)
  • On the road to: Montreal, Toronto, Columbus (Expected 1-2-0) (Actual 2-1-0)
  • At home to: Nashville (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • On the road to: Minnesota (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 1-0-0)
  • At home to: San Jose, St. Louis, Montreal (Expected 1-1-1) (Actual 3-0-0)
  • On the road to: Winnipeg (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • At home to: Chicago, Winnipeg (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-1-1)
  • Overall expected result: 5-6-2, 12 points in 13 games 
  • Current results: 7-5-1, 15 points in 13 games

The Oilers outperformed my estimate by three points, and it’s difficult to be disappointed in the record in isolation. It ended poorly but if the Oilers go 43, 22-15-6 for the rest of the season (that’s what 15 points in 13 games looks like over 43 games) it would represent an improvement over the first half. If the Oilers do finish in that fashion, the final tally will be 82gp, 39-34-9, 87 points. Not enough to make the playoffs (or be in the race) but better than the current record projects (82, 36-40-6, 78 points).

OILERS AT THE DRAFT

  • First Round (No. 6 overall)—R Filip Zadina, Halifax Mooseheads (QMJHL). Another fantastic skill winger, he brings size and shooting ability to the game. He’s in the upper tier of offensive prospects in this draft, great motor. Shoots left.
  • Second Round (No. 37 overall)—LC Jacob Olofsson, Timra (Allsvenskan). They’re not fooling me again, there’s a sweet spot in the Swedish system pertaining to draft eligibles who flourish in the Allsvenskan. Great passer, speed, aggressive, skilled.
  • Third Round (No. 68 overall)—L Nathan Dunkley, Kingston Frontenacs (OHL). He’s 5.11, 185 and scoring over a point-per-game this year. He has good speed and a fine two-way reputation, Dunkley may end up being ranked higher on the final lists. For now, he’d represent great early in the third round.
  • Fourth Round (No. 99 overall)—LC Cole Fonstad, Prince Albert Raiders (WHL). Undersized center with a lot of skill and zero buzz. His offensive numbers (42 points in 37 games) and relative youth (he’s an April 2000) should mean he’ll get some love from scouts by June.
  • Fifth Round (No. 130 overall)—RD Ty Emberson, U.S. National Development Team (USHL). Impressive speed and skills, he projects as a puck mover with a good shot and the ability to retrieve pucks like a madman. Zero buzz, but he has a nice resume.
  • Sixth Round (No. 161 overall)—W Samuel Fagemo, Frolunda (SuperElite). Impressive climb through the Swedish system, he has good boots and an excellent shot. Dynamic with the puck on his stick, raw in other parts of the game.
  • Seventh Round (No. 192 overall)—L Riley Stotts, Calgary Hitmen (WHL). Inconsistent but very skilled winger struggled in Swift Current but seems to have turned the corner after arriving in Calgary.

ERIC RODGERS’ NUMBERS

Eric Rodgers blesses us with his numbers a few times each season, I posted on his November update here. These numbers are fresh, but I wanted to update you right away on the defensemen. For reminder purposes, here’s what the EV GF-GA totals looked like in November:

Here are the numbers for defenders since:

  1. Keegan Lowe 18-10 (+8)
  2. Ryan Mantha 15-10 (+5)
  3. Jamie Doornbosch 2-0  (+2)
  4. Ryan Stanton 11-10 (+1)
  5. Ben Betker 6-7 (-1)
  6. Mark Fayne 2-4 (-2)
  7. Ethan Bear 2-5 (-3)
  8. Caleb Jones 12-18 (-6)
  9. Dillon Simpson 7-16 (-9)

Miles to go on all of these prospects but the progress we’re seeing from Mantha is interesting (scored last night) and injury issues from Ethan Bear concerning (he missed last night’s game). Caleb Jones had a tough start, improved in December in this metric and has miles to go. We spoke at the beginning of the year about this trio needing at least one AHL season and that has certainly been driven home by the results. On the other hand, the NHLE’s (Bear 19.27; Jones 11.56; Mantha 9.64) and the estimated time on ice (Bear 21:54; Jones 20:26; Mantha 18:32) suggests the other two men are ahead of him (and that is my estimation). Thanks to Eric for the new math and I’ll have another post on the subject soon.

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  1. OriginalPouzar says:

    I thought I read that Bear was sick last night – not injured again.

  2. OriginalPouzar says:

    Wow – some nice numbers from Mantha – he continues to have a nice rookie season – he is a year older than Bear and Jones – I know that is material at the junior level (which is why I didn’t put too much stock in to his great numbers as an over-ager) but is it material at the pro level?

  3. OriginalPouzar says:

    10am tomorrow – Czech (Safin) vs. Finland (Rasanen).

    We all know I love me some Safin and Rasanen has impressed throughout the tournament (from accounts, haven’t been able to watch).

    Will be streaming this one while trying to stay awake in my office tomorrow morning.

    10am mountain is 1am Hong Kong time – I’m a mess.

  4. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    I’ll take 87 points and a missed playoffs over a lotto position. This team needs to turn it around, and returning that PK to normal can cover a lot of ground. That said, were it easy or obvious I’m sure they would have done so by now.

    Fans and commentators are free to speculate on the draft, but they best play like the spectre of lotto shame is burning their asses here on out.

  5. OriginalPouzar says:

    I’m fine to talk about the draft but I’m not ready to talk about players at particular draft spots as there really is no visibility in to where the Oilers may draft – it could be 14th, 6th, 1st or anywhere in between.

    I still haven’t given up hope that it’s in the back half of the first round.

    I do see a GREAT benefit in selling off our pending free agents and stocking the prospect pool this spring.

  6. bcoil says:

    I think a lot can be said about the flaws of Peter C’s trades this summer but the one move he made that i think hurt this team more than anything is not bringing back Hendricks .They really miss his character and now Winnipeg is getting the benefit. He would not let this team fold like it has on so many occasions this year.Winnipeg is a different team with him on it .You could seem him on the bean h last night constantly talking to the other players and giving them instructions and encouragement . This to me was Peter’s biggest of season mistake.

  7. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    Still can’t believe how few divisional games have been played. How far from normal is this schedule? Not making excuses – an AJHL team could have beat the Oilers last night – but if there is hope it rests on divisional games.

  8. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    Did you see Hendricks at the end of the game? He was pumped for that victory.

  9. meanashell11 says:

    So disappointed this morning. Pathetic performance from the entire team.

    You have to think some player/coaches decisions will be made before the next game??

  10. godot10 says:

    #ItsAllTaylorHallsFault

  11. dustrock says:

    Not trying to start anything here but honest inquiry: if having a captain means anything at all, is it possible that McDavid is too young to get the team to perform?

    We’ve talked before about how the coaches can only do so much to motivate and then it’s up to the team.

    LT the number of lethargic performances this year compared to last is alarming.

    I thought the taste of playoff nectar was supposed to be a panacea.

  12. VOR says:

    Let me try to be the voice of reason.

    What is it our kind host says?

    Calm your tits folks.

    Good teams have bad games. It doesn’t represent a fatal character flaw, horrible coaching or the end of the world.

    Actually it isn’t even the end of this season.

    What is frustrating us all is that you can see the Oilers are a good team. They just aren’t getting good outcomes. Focus on how well the Oilers played in December, not how badly they played last night.

    If they improve as much again next month as they did this month they will be within striking range of the playoffs as they begin an insane run of divisional games.

  13. JimmyV1965 says:

    I’m at a loss for words. What happened to the team that was playing before the break? It has to be mental. The boys simply gave up after the first goal. How do you fix that?

    On the first goal, I was absolutely dumbfounded that a team could have a three on one with five Oilers in the dzone. How does that even happen?

  14. dustrock says:

    At any rate, Happy New Year.

    My friend believes this year’s Oilers team is last year’s Tampa Bay Lightning : a team expected to challenge for the Cup that underperforms.

    Let’s hope that is the case.

  15. Scungilli Slushy says:

    To me this is down on weak goaltending and two bets on D that are hurting big time now. Talbot’s early GA’s are killing them and his inability to make unexpected saves compounds it. This is where the team lack of confidence is coming from, it so reminds me of DoD, brutal G and D torpedoing the team.

    Talbot’s SV% isn’ that bad, but it’s and average and it is individual plays that are sinking them, saves he just doesn’t make that the team needs. That better goalies make unless they are in a slump. It is like having good team shot metrics and losing because of singular mistakes that NHL players should not make very often, that Oiler players do make quite regularly.

    Add to it that Russell and Benning are vortexes sucking shots against and zone time in. The instability is affecting the rhythm of play and offense. And that Klef and Larsson are from game to game unpredictable, and Sekera needs weeks at least to get his game back.

    As for the coaches. Most of this is on player performance, but they don’t seem to have an answer. Line changes are brutal, they should be able to at least coach that up as it doesn’t take skill, just a brain. They know how to do it, how couldn’t they.

    I want to see the coaches bring these guys back. Whatever they are doing isn’t working, Maybe they need motivational coaching, maybe butt kicking. I think it’s probably the former. Most people don’t recover confidence when threatened.

    I can’t help thinking of the league’s reaction if the Oilers won the big prize again, the look on Bettman’s face.

  16. Clay says:

    To be an Oiler fan is to be somewhat of an expert in shitastic hockey, and I don’t ever remember seeing a team that so much less than the sum of its parts than the team that played last night.

    This is going to cost the coach his job. I think it’s a damn shame, because I honestly think he’s a good coach.

    Countdown to the Dave Tippett era is on, I guess.

  17. Scungilli Slushy says:

    VOR:
    Let me try to be the voice of reason.

    What is it our kind host says?

    Calm your tits folks.

    Good teams have bad games. It doesn’t represent a fatal character flaw, horrible coaching or the end of the world.

    Actually it isn’t even the end of this season.

    What is frustrating us all is that you can see the Oilers are a good team. They just aren’t getting good outcomes. Focus on how well the Oilers played in December, not how badly they played last night.

    If they improve as much again next month as they did this month they will be within striking range of the playoffs as they begin an insane run of divisional games.

    They only improve if Talbot ups his game at least a level and they can run Klef Larsson Nurse Sekera and they play well. They have enough up front to not play Letestu when he’s flat. They can’t hide the goalie and second pair sadly,

  18. anjinsan says:

    Dear Mr. Chiarelli,

    Trade yourself to the Jets for Cheveldayoff, then hemorrhage their high-end talent to us at pennies on the dollar, starting with Kyle Connor.

  19. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    JimmyV1965:
    I’m at a loss for words. What happened to the team that was playing before the break? It has to be mental. The boys simply gave up after the first goal. How do you fix that?

    On the first goal, I was absolutely dumbfounded that a team could have a three on one with five Oilers in the dzone. How does that even happen?

    #becauseoilers

  20. VOR says:

    Thinking About the Draft Part Four – The Greatest Draft of all Time concluded

    To understand what is most unusual about the 2011 draft you need to know that scoring either by a single player over their career or by an entire draft class over their time in the NHL is a long tail phenomena. The most common pattern is that the player scores over 50% of their career goals after their best year. This is also true of draft classes.

    Once you have accepted that you are seeing a long tail phenomena it is obvious the more long stay NHL players a draft produces the longer and thicker that long tail will be. 2011 projects to have the second or third most 1,000 game players of any draft class and the most 500 game players of any draft class. They are already ahead of where 2003 was in terms of goals scored at the same point. If they also go longer and deeper (2003 is shaping up to be one of the longest lived and is already one of the deepest drafts in history) 2011 will be a true competitor for the title The Greatest Draft of all Time.

  21. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Clay:
    To be an Oiler fan is to be somewhat of an expert in shitastic hockey, and I don’t ever remember seeing a team that so much less than the sum of its parts than the team that played last night.

    This is going to cost the coach his job.I think it’s a damn shame, because I honestly think he’s a good coach.

    Countdown to the Dave Tippett era is on, I guess.

    I’m unimpressed with the coaches at this point, but it’s not like there is a better coach sitting at home ATM. Better the devil you know sometimes. Tippett would make me stop watching.

    They have their generational player and second, they might be missing the modern version of a young Sather. Gallant has a job.

  22. Professor Q says:

    dustrock:
    Not trying to start anything here but honest inquiry: if having a captain means anything at all, is it possible that McDavid is too young to get the team to perform?

    We’ve talked before about how the coaches can only do so much to motivate and then it’s up to the team.

    LT the number of lethargic performances this year compared to last is alarming.

    I thought the taste of playoff nectar was supposed to be a panacea.

    Not too young. But maybe not vocal enough.

    He looks like he doesn’t trust himself nor put consistent effort out there.

    In a leader, that can be deadly.

  23. jtblack says:

    VOR,

    “Let me try to be the voice of reason.”

    Are you suggesting that this team missing the playoffs is acceptable?

    Are you sure this “is a Good Team”? A team that has surpassed fake .500 in one month is a Good team to you? Look at the Standings, take an Objective look. Forget that we have McD and forget last year .. Would you point to this team and say they are good?

    Is Ottawa a good team?
    Is Montreal a good team?

    This is not the decade of darkness, but surely we have to be careful when trying to proclaim this is “a Good Team” when half the season has gone by and we have only one month above fake .500.

  24. Professor Q says:

    Chelios is a Dinosaur:
    I’ll take 87 points and a missed playoffs over a lotto position. This team needs to turn it around, and returning that PKto normal can cover a lot of ground. That said, were it easy or obvious I’m sure they would have done so by now.

    Fans and commentators are free to speculate on the draft, but they best play like the spectre of lotto shame is burning their asses here on out.

    Any non-playoff spot is a lotto position.

  25. Ryan says:

    On another note, the Russell debate rages n at the nation level in a somewhat insipid article.

    http://nationalpost.com/sports/long-after-moneyball-skeptics-and-nerds-are-still-fighting-about-analytics

  26. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    Professor Q,

    Fair, let me rephrase. I’ll take 87 points and a missed playoffs over a high lotto position.

  27. jtblack says:

    First Round (No. 6 overall)—R Filip Zadina, Halifax Mooseheads (QMJHL). Another fantastic skill winger, he brings size and shooting ability to the game. He’s in the upper tier of offensive prospects in this draft, great motor. Shoots left. *********************

    LT: What about drafting a D man with our First Round Pick? We have went for Wingers in B2B years; IMHO we should grab a D man like Ty Smith or someone simliar (there are a lot of smaller, high skill D men avail this year) … There are also a couple RHD avail (Jett Woo & Calen Addison). Super high skill RHD ..

    You look at D men taken early in the draft (#5 – #15) and there have been some incredible picks in that range that can change a franchise … Sergachev, Werenski, Provorov, McAvoy,) …

    Just my 2 cents !

  28. Professor Q says:

    jtblack,

    This year, most Top D seem incredibly small. Hopefully they grow quickly!

  29. jtblack says:

    Riddle me this:

    Anaheim lost their Top 2 C’s for a significant amount of time. Their D has been decimated with injury; yet they have hung around and been competitive … we lose Sekera and that’s our crutch to be crappy?

    Benning has been pretty bad to my eye for the last 3 or 4 games … press box time ….

  30. JimmyV1965 says:

    I was actually surprised Benning was in the lineup to start the game. After the team’s putrid effort against the Hawks, I just assumed Schleppy would replace Cammi and Davidson would replace Benning. I can’t imagine the confidence killer that game was for Benning. He might need a trip to the minors to rediscover his game.

  31. Professor Q says:

    jtblack:
    Riddle me this:

    Anaheim lost their Top 2 C’s for a significant amount of time. Their D has been decimated with injury; yet they have hung around and been competitive … we lose Sekera and that’s our crutch to be crappy?

    Benning has been pretty bad to my eye for the last 3 or 4 games … press box time ….

    I wouldn’t say bad.

    I’d say left in terrible situations by himself, which he can’t handle.

    The Ehlers rush? Where was everyone else? Benning fought him hard to prevent a breakaway, got kicked in the stomach by a skate for his efforts.

    The goal wasn’t on him.

    Other plays? He was likely the only Oilers player aside from Talbot in Edmonton’s zone quickly enough.

  32. Confused says:

    Happy New Year everyone!

    Lost for words, plays off gone.

  33. tomo says:

    VOR,

    I disagree. the Oilers are not a good team–not right now anyway. A bunch of good players yes–but a good team no. They are incredibly predictable, cannot cleanly break out, cannot handle opposition breakouts, the defense is slow to the puck and is often confused as to what should be done if they recover it. The number of giveaways last night was horrendous. Chemistry is lacking on every line–there is no structure to their game–special teams are horrible. There was more hitting in the senior games over 80 competition than I saw in last night’s game. So much potential; so little outcome.Finally, I believe this is all on Peter. He is the master of stupid trades.

  34. VOR says:

    jtblack:
    VOR,

    “Let me try to be the voice of reason.”

    Are you suggesting that this team missing the playoffs is acceptable?

    Are you sure this “is a Good Team”?A team that has surpassed fake .500 in one month is a Good team to you?Look at the Standings, take an Objective look. Forget that we have McD and forget last year .. Would you point to this team and say they are good?

    Is Ottawa a good team?
    Is Montreal a good team?

    This is not the decade of darkness, but surely we have to be careful when trying to proclaim this is “a Good Team” when half the season has gone by and we have only one month above fake .500.

    The Oilers even strength play is playoff worthy. That includes the stinker last night. They are an elite team when you look at EV strength scoring. They have good to outstanding even strength possession metrics.

    They are being killed on special teams. Let me be clear they are being killed by their penalty kill at home. They are the fifth best penalty killing team in the NHL on the road. Partly they don’t penalty kill as well at home. Partly it is bad luck.

    Meanwhile their power play is less than brilliant but the much bigger issue is how few penalties they are drawing. It looks more and more like the fix is in and the refs are conspiring to destroy the Oilers. Since I am reasonably confidant that isn’t the case I am betting the refs will now over correct.

    If there penalty kill at home was 18 or 19th like the last two years and the refs had given us the league average number of powerplay opportunities (and objectively don’t you think the refs are looking the other way as Connor McDavid gets mugged) we would be firmly in the bottom tier of playoff teams.

    My point is the Oilers are a good team having a very weird season.

  35. jtblack says:

    VOR,

    Fair enough. I would simplify it even further “My point is the Oilers are having a very weird season.”

    I don’t think they are a good team right now. I think they have a lot of good parts in place, but they also do not have an upper echelon D core and don’ have anybody coming soon to change that. They have a middling collection of wingers .. And they have Dadbot and a bunch of unprovens in net …

    They are close to a good team ;but as many pointed out in July, they are a few important pieces away from being a Good team …

    And yes, I did read WG’s post on the PK and how bizarre the discrepancy is home vs. away …

  36. HiddenDarts says:

    Glad I missed the game, but the idea that “not bringing Hendricks back” was the Oilers big mistake this year will have me giggling for quite a long time.

    I personally think it was also because we didn’t resign Jonas Gustavsson. 🙂

  37. Pescador says:

    jtblack,

    I am on this page. This team desperately needs a high skill RHD with offensive upside, someone to compliment Nurse.
    There is no other good way to acquire this player,
    I doubt the Oilers will be drafting in the top 10 again anytime soon. That where I’ve placed my bet.
    A young Dman will take time to develop, McDavid is 20, we can wait

  38. JimmyV1965 says:

    jtblack:
    VOR,

    “Let me try to be the voice of reason.”

    Are you suggesting that this team missing the playoffs is acceptable?

    Are you sure this “is a Good Team”?A team that has surpassed fake .500 in one month is a Good team to you?Look at the Standings, take an Objective look. Forget that we have McD and forget last year .. Would you point to this team and say they are good?

    Is Ottawa a good team?
    Is Montreal a good team?

    This is not the decade of darkness, but surely we have to be careful when trying to proclaim this is “a Good Team” when half the season has gone by and we have only one month above fake .500.

    Objectively, I have watched this team absolutely run over other teams this year. It’s not a bad team. I’m convinced that confidence is the biggest issue plaguing this team. When they believe, they are resilient and make you pay with aggressive forechecking. When they’re down, they stop moving and get run over. Confidence is the only logical reason I can think of to explain the disparity in the PK at home and on the road.

    Having said that, we are lacking an elite winger who can bury the puck and play with skill even remotely matching McDavid. I do have hope that JP can provide that in the future. (Thought last night was the best game he played as an Oiler, although I turned it off after the second). This is on Chia. He’s traded away 50 goals on the wing in two years.

    The biggest flaw is our defence and their inability to transition the puck out of the dzone. Teams are simply waiting for us to ring the puck up the boards. And when they don’t play with confidence, these guys simply can’t do anything else.

    For the record, I don’t think the Sens roster is as bad as their record either. The Habs simply have a bad team. The Canucks probably have the worst roster in the NHL, yet they manage to eek out wins.

  39. €v¥£€u§ says:

    Effort is a thing. It is real and can be spectacular, but when it is absent, the fans become materially vicious dinks.

    VOR,

    From your perspective, can you offer any insight regarding consistent effort, player motivation and how the effort of one player or a fourth line buoys/inspires a team or how this intangible aspect of a player is taken into account when prospects are being evaluated?

    This team comes out flat so often it is maddening and then Bam they are down by 2 goals before the 2nd period. This was a familiar trait of the DoD teams.

    I remember the great Oiler teams of the 80’s and it was clear that they became great when they matched their tremendous skill with tremendous effort. Was this effort applied because of 99’s example or by Messier’s leadership or both. We always hear about character and high character players, but even the rosters of the DoD teams were littered with players who carried this label, players that had been leaders throughout their hockey careers, but it doesn’t seem to matter this season for whatever reason.

    For this team, when they score first their record is 10-4-2, when they lead after 1 period they are 9-1 and after 2, they are 10-0-0.

    When their opponent scores first, they are 7-15-1, when they trail after 1 period they are 2-10-0 and after 2, they are 2-16-1.

    Maybe Hendo was a straw that stirred the drink last year, last year he played in 41 games and their record was 22-19 with him in the line-up and he didn’t dress for a single.play-off game. What I know for certain was that he did not look like an NHL player in too many games last year.

    If this team is going to win games they have to being the effort as soon as the puck drops and maintain it throughout the game, otherwise they are dead in the water. So how are they going to get to that place; new coach or new players or will the leaders stand-up and hold each other accountable? I expect they will bring a player or 2 in before they resort to firing TMac.

    We wait…..

  40. jtblack says:

    “The biggest flaw is our defence and their inability to transition the puck out of the dzone.” ….

    Agreed. And that is on Chia. I am sure Chia tried to get another RHD but the cost is dear (a la Hall) … So if we don’t draft one, we will have Kris Russell or some other Lefty playing on their off-side … Don’t remember too many cup winners employing that strategy …

    I ALSO don’t remember any recent cup winners without a true #1 RHD or someone who played like one

    2017 PITT – SCHULTZ
    2016 PITT – LETANG
    2010 ’13 ’15 HAWKS – SEABROOK
    2012 ’14 KINGS – DOUGHTY

    That covers 7 of the last 8 Cup Winners … see a pattern? As long as we trot out RHD of Larsson and Benning w/ Russell or Davidson or Gryba … No Stanley coming here ….

  41. Pouzar says:

    McLellan needs to go. His presser was depressing.

    On with sober January.

  42. Dominoiler says:

    jtblack:
    VOR,

    “Let me try to be the voice of reason.”

    Are you sure this “is a Good Team”?A team that has surpassed fake .500 in one month is a Good team to you?

    The oilers never surpassed fake 500.. they barely scraped together enough wins to get there, then fell back down the well shaft two days later..

  43. Mr. D. says:

    Chelios is a Dinosaur:
    Did you see Hendricks at the end of the game? He was pumped for that victory.

    Hendricks was a fixture on the PK LAST SEVERAL YEARS.

  44. Munny says:

    LT,

    Are those AHL numbers since the November totals, or are they year-to-date, ie including the November totals?

  45. Lowetide says:

    Munny:
    LT,

    Are those AHL numbers since the November totals, or are they year-to-date, ie including the November totals?

    Since, so you would have to add them together. Ethan Bear is 9-9 overall, as a for instance.

  46. HenryDrix says:

    How does a team with the best player on the planet, playing on home ice (with last change) not get a goal or two off of our 1L going out against the oppositions 4L? What is our coach doing?

  47. Munny says:

    Lowetide,

    Beauty, thanks.

  48. OriginalPouzar says:

    jtblack:
    “The biggest flaw is our defence and their inability to transition the puck out of the dzone.” ….

    Agreed. And that is on Chia. I am sure Chia tried to get another RHD but the cost is dear (a la Hall) …So if we don’t draft one, we will have Kris Russell or some other Lefty playing on their off-side … Don’t remember too many cup winners employing that strategy …

    I don’t believe he did try to acquire that RHD – he signed Kris Russell to a 4 year contract on June 23 and that signing unofficially ended our ability to upgrade at D for the next few years.

  49. HenryDrix says:

    Would have like to see some frustrations boil over in that kind of a blowout loss, and have guys like Looch, Kassian and Maroon take pound or two of flesh. They seemed disinterested. Where is their pride?

  50. Munny says:

    Don’t know if this has already been said but that was the worst effort I’ve ever seen Connor McDavid put into a hockey game. He skated past more players when he had strep throat. Did they have their New Years Eve the night before?

  51. €v¥£€u§ says:

    I would also like to see Benning and Sekera sit out the next game.

    It is time for TMac to put in Auvitu with Davidson on the 3rd pair. The team has a 6-3 record with Davy in the line-up and are 9-10-2 with Auvitu, not that this means much, but these 2 won’t hurt the team as much as Sekera, who is still trying to knock the rust off, and will be struggling to do so for several more weeks or months. And Benning has only had a handful of good games this season by my eye.

    IMO there has been much more good than bad when 88 & 81 have dressed this season and I think OV2 has only gotten better, or as I would call it: Opposite Benning.

  52. Lowetide says:

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  53. HenryDrix says:

    RFA’s I would bring back: Davidson, Nurse. Team UFA’s: Maroon (and play him with McDavid). Trade the rest.

  54. McSorley33 says:

    VOR,

    Very interesting take.

    The injury / flu crowd has left.

    I will put you down for the ‘bad luck’ club.

  55. Pouzar says:

    Lowetide:
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    KhairaKassian

    #grasping

  56. Johnny skid says:

    HenryDrix:
    Would have like to see some frustrations boil over in that kind of a blowout loss, and have guys like Looch, Kassian and Maroon take pound or two of flesh.They seemed disinterested.Where is their pride?

    they all seemed to enjoy getting their butts kicked.

  57. VOR says:

    €v¥£€u§:
    Effort is a thing.It is real and can be spectacular, but when it is absent, the fans become materially vicious dinks.

    VOR,

    From your perspective, can you offer any insight regarding consistent effort, player motivation and how the effort of one player or a fourth line buoys/inspires a team or how this intangible aspect of a player is taken into account when prospects are being evaluated?

    This team comes out flat so often it is maddening and then Bam they are down by 2 goals before the 2nd period. This was a familiar trait of the DoD teams.

    I remember the great Oiler teams of the 80’s and it was clear that they became great when they matched their tremendous skill with tremendous effort.Was this effort applied because of 99’s example or by Messier’s leadership or both.We always hear about character and high character players, but even the rosters of the DoD teams were littered with players who carried this label, players that had been leaders throughout their hockey careers, but it doesn’t seem to matter this season for whatever reason.

    For this team, when they score first their record is 10-4-2, when they lead after 1 period they are 9-1 and after 2, they are 10-0-0.

    When their opponent scores first, they are 7-15-1, when they trail after 1 period they are 2-10-0 and after 2, they are 2-16-1.

    Maybe Hendo was a straw that stirred the drink last year, last year he played in 41 games and their record was 22-19 with him in the line-up and he didn’t dress for a single.play-off game.What I know for certain was that he did not look like an NHL player in too many games last year.

    If this team is going to win games they have to being the effort as soon as the puck drops and maintain it throughout the game, otherwise they are dead in the water.So how are they going to get to that place; new coach or new players or will the leaders stand-up and hold each other accountable?I expect they will bring a player or 2 in before they resort to firing TMac.

    We wait…..

    Intangibles (well in the sense you mean) are at the leading edge of draft research. We refer to player fit and player personality. Most teams have a culture and you want to make sure every player you draft fits into that culture. You also want the player to persevere, over come obstacles, have a tremendous work ethic, etc. Team fit is an important and hot research topic area right now.

    But all that can be much harder to determine than you would think. That is because these are very young men and most have not been fired in the furnace of adversity. It can be hard to tell who they will be at 28. But there are some rules of thumb emerging.

    Years ago a Detroit Red Wings scout fought incredibly hard for a young man to be drafted far above his talent level. Unbelievably his argument came down to “he was raised right.”

    The prospect’s parents were foster parents. During the years their son was growing up his parents fostered 40 kids. He and his sister grew up helping their foster siblings. By the time of this draft it was well understood that this young man’s parents were extraordinarily good foster parents.

    The scout reasoned the kid worked his ass off and was a team leader at the junior because his parents had done as good a job of preparing him to be a team leader as the scout good imagine. That is because they didn’t take the easy foster kids. They took the kids nobody else wanted. The kid had grown up helping his foster siblings overcome impossible odds.

    So with their second round choice the Red Wings wasted a draft choice on a young man who was at best a distant bell. His name is Adam Graves.

    Now we call this coming from a Cradle of Eminence. The OHL is a Cradle of Eminence. You are actually more likely to get an actual NHL player by drafting from the OHL than any other league. That is just one example of many.

    Several researchers have been doing ground breaking work in finding positive metronomes.

    This is a player who sets the pace for all of his teammates. They are almost never given a C. That is because they are usually relentlessly independent, don’t bond well with others, and march to their own drummer. What you want is a metronome that has a non stop motor and never, ever stops trying. An ability to overcome adversity is their best attribute.

    To understand the concept just imagine the Boys on the Bus without Anderson.

    So now researchers are trying to figure out how to spot the next Glenn Anderson.

    I could go on and on.

    By the way I think the Oilers have a metronome, a big German kid.

  58. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    dustrock:
    At any rate, Happy New Year.

    My friend believes this year’s Oilers team is last year’s Tampa Bay Lightning : a team expected to challenge for the Cup that underperforms.

    Let’s hope that is the case.

    TBY was missing Stamkos for most of the year.

    He only played 17 games.

    EDM isn’t missing Drai or McDavid so the comparison isn’t apt.

    Also,

    TBY was interesting last year.

    At the end of Decmeber they were 19-15-3 and in the hunt for a wildcard spot.

    Then they had a shitty January going 3-8-2 that put them near the bottom of the EC.

    From February on they went: 20-7-4 to just miss the playoffs with 94 points.

    EDM isn’t a great comparison because:

    1) They are not missing their best or 2nd best player for 65 games
    2) They didn’t finish December near a wildcard spot
    3) They haven’t gone on a 20-7-4 run
    4) TBY’s special teams weren’t the major culprit in their demise

    I think the comparison is spurious.

  59. Pescador says:

    Lowetide:
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    KhairaKassian

    Ouch,
    I agree with Maroon on the top line but not much else.
    Thanks for the draft coverage Lt, I thought it would make me feel better.
    It doesn’t

  60. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lowetide: Maroon McDavid Puljujarvi
    Cammalleri draisaitl Caggiula
    Lucic RNH Strome
    Auvitu Letestu Slepyshev
    Khaira Kassian

    Looks like the coach is getting desperate bringing out the blender and putting a d-man at forward.

    I know many have wanted to see Auvitu at forward but, really, is a tweener NHL d-man who has a bit of forward experience in Europe the answer to our fourth line – over actual NHL forwards?

  61. McSorley33 says:

    The Edmonton Oilers are fully healthy.

    Cam Talbot has been really good lately.

    We have been facing teams lately with key injuries.

  62. Professor Q says:

    jtblack:
    “The biggest flaw is our defence and their inability to transition the puck out of the dzone.” ….

    Agreed. And that is on Chia. I am sure Chia tried to get another RHD but the cost is dear (a la Hall) …So if we don’t draft one, we will have Kris Russell or some other Lefty playing on their off-side … Don’t remember too many cup winners employing that strategy …

    I ALSO don’t remember any recent cup winners without a true #1 RHD or someone who played like one

    2017PITT – SCHULTZ
    2016PITT – LETANG
    2010 ’13 ’15 HAWKS – SEABROOK
    2012 ’14 KINGS – DOUGHTY

    That covers 7 of the last 8 Cup Winners … see a pattern?As long as we trot out RHD of Larsson and Benning w/ Russell or Davidson or Gryba … No Stanley coming here ….

    Although New Jersey came close with Larsson.

    And Tampa Bay with…Hedman, on the Left.

  63. €v¥£€u§ says:

    Lowetide,

    Ugh. Looch with RNH.

    Auvitu over Khaira ouch.

  64. McSorley33 says:

    I would be very surprised if the Oilers take -another- winger in the first round.

    My bet it is a C or D.

  65. McSorley33 says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Sanity restored.

    The list of PR excuses is shrinking rapidly by the day….

    Only a few hardcore people think this team is elite.

    But, I see, they are still here.

  66. Jethro Tull says:

    HenryDrix:
    Would have like to see some frustrations boil over in that kind of a blowout loss, and have guys like Looch, Kassian and Maroon take pound or two of flesh.They seemed disinterested.Where is their pride?

    That’s easy. It’s still there. However, the PK sucks. Worse than sucks. Instead of fixing the PK, these players get told ‘do not take penalties’. These are players that play better with an edge; they will take a few more penalties, but the reward is a hard , aggressive forecheck that is a little intimidating. D and F along the boards know they have very little time to make the correct decision with the puck.

    This is a team that is scared to play and the coaches are coaching damage limitation. This is bad psychologically as it already suggests you are losing before you even start.

    The best thing they can do is own that bad PK, not be afraid to take penalties and play their game. Outscore those mistakes. They’ll never do it by stifling what makes them good.

  67. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    jtblack:
    “The biggest flaw is our defence and their inability to transition the puck out of the dzone.” ….

    Agreed. And that is on Chia. I am sure Chia tried to get another RHD but the cost is dear (a la Hall) …So if we don’t draft one, we will have Kris Russell or some other Lefty playing on their off-side … Don’t remember too many cup winners employing that strategy …

    Disagree. This is not on Chia. Vegas is winning with Deryk FREEKING Engelland playing second pairing at 20 minutes a night. Yes … that Deryk Engelland. The one that this board had a good time tearing down on many occasions in the past. And I would be remiss if I didn’t point out that the uber-talented Jon Merrill is featured on the third pairing.

    Good coaches find ways to get the most out of the talent they have been given.

    Bad coaches are stubborn, dogmatic, resist any change to the system they favor and are slow to make in-game adjustments. Remind you of anyone?

  68. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    Pouzar:
    McLellan needs to go. His presser was depressing.

    On with sober January.

    +++

  69. €v¥£€u§ says:

    VOR,

    Thank you for this, appreciated as always!

    Cheers!

  70. Gret99zky says:

    “From Daryl Katz to the lowest man on the employee roster, last night’s game is probably still on everyone’s mind this morning…I’ve watched some sad sack Oilers teams with little talent show more gumption than last night’s Oilers and that’s a damned large concern today.”

    I seriously doubt this.

    The owner seems to be more invested in real estate than winning a Stanley.

    The GM is trading real talent for peanuts and cap space.

    The coach has obviously lost the script and is now resorting to AHL coaching tactics.

    The players have perfected their post-game excuses, saying the same things over and over but doing nothing to change the outcome. (The cheques get deposited no matter the score.)

    The fans keep selling out the building and buying the merchandise. (This team/organization does not deserve the support it gets.)

    “Time to forget about this game and move on to the next one.” Rinse, repeat.

    Last season appears more and more to be a material fluke/miracle and we have violently regressed to the 10 year meat.

  71. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Ryan:
    On another note, the Russell debate rages n at the nation level in a somewhat insipid article.

    http://nationalpost.com/sports/long-after-moneyball-skeptics-and-nerds-are-still-fighting-about-analytics

    Thanks for the link.

    I didn’t think it was insipid though.

    I thought this set of paragraphs were particularly good:

    But if the argument over analytics is just one of degrees, why does it still engender such ill will?

    I think it goes back to that thing about religion. Put another way, as much as there is acceptance now of the value of data, often what that data says is something that pushes back against deeply held beliefs. In baseball, it can tell you that a pitcher with a 15-6 record was still objectively worse than someone who went 8-10. It basketball, it can tell you that someone who averages a team-leading 23.2 points per game is much less valuable than the teammate who scores 15.3 points and tries on defence. And in hockey it can tell you that the defenceman who dives in front of a lot of shots and works really hard nevertheless has a negative impact on his team’s performance.

    Sometimes these are things that coaches and managers — and fans, definitely a lot of fans — just do not want to be told. I once had a long discussion with a former major leaguer-turned-analyst about how pitching wins were affected by so much not in a pitcher’s control, especially in today’s game where bullpens have such a heavy workload. “Give me the guy who wins,” he said at the end. It was like an atheist talking to a priest.

    I think he colored a key issue quite well.

  72. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    jtblack:
    Riddle me this:

    Anaheim lost their Top 2 C’s for a significant amount of time. Their D has been decimated with injury; yet they have hung around and been competitive … we lose Sekera and that’s our crutch to be crappy?

    Benning has been pretty bad to my eye for the last 3 or 4 games … press box time ….

    Lindholm-Marson are a top 5 Dpair in the NHL.

    Gibson is a top 5 goalie in the NHL.

    Those two can hide a lot of sins.

    Just like McDavid going off while Talbot was top 5 can hide a lot of sins.

    The Dcorps has been variable, goalering below average, PK the shits, and PP under performing.

  73. Oilman99 says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Tell somebody who cares.

  74. €v¥£€u§ says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Agreed, as much as I am pulling for OV2, he is not being put in the best position to succeed as a forward. He transitions the puck as well as anyone and this is a major problem for this D-Corps.

    The way he moves up the ice he is already playing as a forward, but because it creates more pressure on the opposing D, it is a better position for him to play.

    Anyway, the coach has to send a message.

  75. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    Lowetide:
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    And McClellan fiddles with the 4th line while Edmonton burns. Great … just great.

  76. Oilman99 says:

    €v¥£€u§,

    No Kassian and Khaira against LA is a licence for failure.

  77. €v¥£€u§ says:

    Oilman99:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Tell somebody who cares.

    Definitely a vicious dink comment, hungover much?

  78. Oilman99 says:

    VOR,

    You have question the coaching when the power play can’t score, the penalty kill can’t kill, and team keeps making the same defensive coverage errors in their own zone after almost 40 games time after time. These are not the signs of a good team.

  79. lynn says:

    Oilman99:
    €v¥£€u§,

    No Kassian and Khaira against LA is a licence for failure.

    Was at the game last night. Khaira appeared to be tentative at times. I wouldn’t take him out of the lineup, though. He has had a good stretch. Other players are allowed to work through their bad patches, why not Khaira?

  80. BONE207 says:

    Pouzar: #grasping

    Well what else is left? Most guys have gotten opportunities but couldnt perform. Coaching stubbornness aside, might as well play hunches for a few games. Sink or swim.

  81. Munny says:

    €v¥£€u§,

    Everything is coming up Bendelson this morning, it seems.

  82. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Lowetide:
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    KhairaKassian

    I actually like what he’s doing here in terms of “earning ice time with better players”

    Lucic gets punted off 97’s wing due to poor results, JP stays. Both good.

    Khaira and Strome get punted off Drai’s wings, I like Cammy and Caggiula more than most here.

    RNH gets the left overs from the top 6.

    Kassian gets scratched after multiple games with indifferent play.

    Sleppy gets another chance.

    More Auvitu is > less Auvitu

    I think Khaira is getting shaft tho…

  83. Thinker says:

    OriginalPouzar: Looks like the coach is getting desperate bringing out the blender and putting a d-man at forward.

    I know many have wanted to see Auvitu at forward but, really, is a tweener NHL d-man who has a bit of forward experience in Europe the answer to our fourth line – over actual NHL forwards?

    Wjo are the actual NHL forwards? Slepyshev? Caggiula? Letestu?

  84. LMHF#1 says:

    Those lines indicate the Coach is just done. He can’t even talk himself away from Drake frigging Caggiula…

    When your Coach is out of ideas and inspiration, you can him.

    He’s looked listless for months now.

    Not that it’s just on him – this team has made about 1 good move since the deadline last year.

    And if anyone wondered why I was so passionate about loading up and going for it last year – here we are. The arrogant notion that they were going to have non-stop chances for 10 years was always a horrid assumption. It is for any team. This is a league where you need to peak…not coast.

  85. Pouzar says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I actually like what he’s doing here in terms of “earning ice time with better players”

    Day late and a dollar short and all that.
    But yes, it is a good thing.

  86. Pouzar says:

    LMHF#1: Those lines indicate the Coach is just done. He can’t even talk himself away from Drake frigging Caggiula…

    Amazing isn’t it?

  87. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    Oilman99,

    I disagree, they were disengaged all night yesterday and that horribly, terribly bad 4th goal against at the end of the 2nd last night was pure laziness. Combine that with Kassian’s 4 minute penalty in the 3rd and both deserve to ride the pine for a game.

    So does Benning for that matter but not as a punishment per say, he needs to step away and recalculate way too much chaos lately and he needs to find his confidence.

    Serious blender for the 2nd line but actually I like all the moves I see in that tweet.

    Effort, consistency and pride

    Those should be the 3 words for this Oilers team in 2018

    VOR,

    I agree with all of this. Weirdness, youngness and a lack of experience with serious adversity.

    I still believe they can find their stride but the clock is ticking

  88. gogliano says:

    I’m not sure what Caggiula has done to get the bump up to the second line. Or why he was slotted on the 1st line for a spell the other night. We’re well past the strained justification that Chiarelli promised him minutes as a bonus for signing. Meanwhile, JJ Khaira, who appears to be a burgeoning Fernando Pisani, sits.

    This team has some roster flaws and had some spotty goaltending to start the year. But I’ve lost confidence in the coach bringing this team any kind of success. The historically and phenomenally bad home PK this year, with no end in sight, is first and foremost a coaching problem. But sinking his top lines with offensive black holes (at this point in their career) like Yamamoto & Caggiula is pretty high on my list of grievances.

  89. Munny says:

    I hope LT doesn’t have to spend his New Years Day cleaning up our comments.

    Can we give the poor fellow a holiday for Gord’s sakes and behave like men?

  90. LMHF#1 says:

    Pouzar: Amazing isn’t it?

    It would be if I wasn’t assuming he’s checked out.

    That’s been evident to me in his post-gamers for some time now.

    He doesn’t even seem to be identifying with HIS team anymore.

  91. Pouzar says:

    LMHF#1: It would be if I wasn’t assuming he’s checked out.

    That’s been evident to me in his post-gamers for some time now.

    He doesn’t even seem to be identifying with HIS team anymore.

    I agree.

  92. OriginalPouzar says:

    Gret99zky:
    “From Daryl Katz to the lowest man on the employee roster, last night’s game is probably still on everyone’s mind this morning…I’ve watched some sad sack Oilers teams with little talent show more gumption than last night’s Oilers and that’s a damned large concern today.”

    I seriously doubt this.

    The owner seems to be more invested in real estate than winning a Stanley.

    The GM is trading real talent for peanuts and cap space.

    The coach has obviously lost the script and is now resorting to AHL coaching tactics.

    The players have perfected their post-game excuses, saying the same things over and over but doing nothing to change the outcome.(The cheques get deposited no matter the score.)

    The fans keep selling out the building and buying the merchandise. (This team/organization does not deserve the support it gets.)

    “Time to forget about this game and move on to the next one.”Rinse, repeat.

    Last season appears more and more to be a material fluke/miracle and we have violently regressed to the 10 year meat.

    I really don’t understand any of the vitrol towards the owner.

    What does one want the owner to do?

    The owner has hired some of the most respected people in hockey (i.e. Bob Nicholson).

    The owner has spent large amounts on every conceivable area (management, scouting staff, payroll, minor league franchises, burying millions of dollars in the minors, etc.).

    Don’t tell me the fact that Kevin Lowe still works for Katz in a roll that has nothing to do with hockey, is a reason to bash the owner or is any way related to the current on-ice product.

  93. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oilman99:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Tell somebody who cares.

    ???

  94. lynn says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I think Khaira is getting shaft tho…

    Last night, Khaira played like he was afraid to make a mistake.

  95. OriginalPouzar says:

    Thinker: Wjo are the actual NHL forwards? Slepyshev? Caggiula? Letestu?

    Kassian, Cammy, Khaira.

    Yup, maybe each of them is struggling but they are actual NHL forwards. Auvitu is still unproven as an actual NHL d-man, let alone a forward.

    Maybe it works but it reaks of desperation to me.

  96. Scungilli Slushy says:

    McLellan is stable. I believe he purposefully tries not to overreact, he is teaching a young team how to be level. Last playoffs he mentioned that they were losing even keel at times. Which is to be expected because age.

    Regarding the lineup changes, some call McL our for rigidity, and when he shakes it up a bit quite reasonably (except Khaira, agree with WG) he now is out of ideas. Can’t be both. I like to see new ideas, everyone has been given a chance to get it done, except Slepy and Khaira at the start.

    It’s Slepy’s big chance. He is going to have to amp up his assertiveness to stick, it’s what keeps Cags playing despite a lot of in effective TOI. He makes a few good plays but does a lot of coasting around swinging stick at pucks, like Strome. Except Slepy has the wheels to do more than that. Cags gets that you can’t have goose eggs as a stat line. At least hit.

  97. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Munny:
    I hope LT doesn’t have to spend his New Years Day cleaning up our comments.

    Can we give the poor fellow a holiday for Gord’s sakes and behave like men?

    We are – cavemen!

  98. jtblack says:

    Pouzar,

    #grasping ……………

    +1

  99. Surrey Oiler says:

    Pouzar: Amazing isn’t it?

    His days are numbered and he knows it. The line blending, on this team, in the middle of a game isn’t going to work. Chia has not addressed the issues this team has, and they are bloody glaring. GM and coaching staff need to go, the players have given up on them and the season. Way to waste McDavid’s last year on his entry contract…IDIOTS!

  100. JimmyV1965 says:

    I really think Benning needs to spend some time in the AHL. It will give him a chance to regain his confidence and allow the team to evaluate just what he is. If he goes down there and doesn’t move the needle then we know he can move on from the player. If he shines, that’s wonderful and we bring back a player who has figured out his game. And maybe we should promote someone like Lowe or Simpson, a vet who is playing well down on the farm.

  101. jtblack says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    “The Dcorps has been variable, goalering below average, PK the shits, and PP under performing”

    Agreed ….. If the PK was reasonable and the PP better (should be Top 10 given the talent) … This team would be in the playoff picture ..

    So who do we fault on the special teams? Coaching, coaching, coaching …. TMac and his crew seem unable to adapt … He just keeps trotting out the same strategy, and if he does switch it, it’s only for a fleeting moment …

    I am not saying I have the answers, but I am sure some people on here have solutions that are viable ..

  102. jtblack says:

    LHD …

    We have Nurse, Sekera and Oscar … All should be playing Top 4 minutes .. there is no need to keep 3 of them …

    Who can we trade ? AND I ask you all, should we trade one of them in an attempt to get a similiar RHD .. not saying it’s possible (I understand how difficult it is) …

    Would you trade Oscar for Barrie?
    Nurse for Faulk?

    Just spitt balling …

  103. jtblack says:

    LHD cont …

    IE: in my dream world .. as an EXAMPLE; The D would shape up more like this ..

    Sekera – XXXXXX
    Nurse – Larsson
    Russell – Benning

    Davidson , extra, extra

  104. JimmyV1965 says:

    lynn: Last night, Khaira played like he was afraid to make a mistake.

    And therein lies the real problem with the entire team. Fixing it is the big challenge. And I guess that’s the job of the coach and the leadership group

  105. HenryDrix says:

    Last night’s team reminded me more of the soft Oilers of not so long ago, and nothing like the hard nosed, hard hitting tea with swagger that we saw last year. I have been asking myself one question since end of October – why such a change in persona from last year? The “core” is intact, with a good playoff run behind them, same coaches. Anyone have any thoughts?

  106. jtblack says:

    or this ….

    Sekera – XXXXXX
    Klefbom – Larsson
    Russell – Benning

    Davidson , extra, extra

    not saying Russell and Benning are good together … just going Lefty / Righty … with some decent 7 / 8 D men who aren’t anchors ..

  107. €v¥£€u§ says:

    I am not a math person, but I am onboard that numbers have a story to tell and I understand the eyes can deceive us, but my impression of this team made me do some digging and I came up with these facts that I shared in an earlier post that should be noted:

    “For this team, when they score first their record is 10-4-2, when they lead after 1 period they are 9-1 and after 2, they are 10-0-0.

    When their opponent scores first, they are 7-15-1, when they trail after 1 period they are 2-10-0 and after 2, they are 2-16-1.”

    When I dug into this more, I found this article from last year:

    https://hockey-graphs.com/2016/11/29/behind-the-numbers-scoring-first-and-conditional-probability/

    So it appears that this team is not only historically bad at home on the PK, but they are also bucking the trend when it comes to losing games when they don’t score the first goal. Conversely, they are exceptionally good when scoring the first goal and having the lead going into the 2nd and 3rd periods.

    This team, man…..because Oilers?

  108. OmJo says:

    Jethro Tull,

    Taking penalties gets you in the TMac doghouse. Forever.

  109. BONE207 says:

    Scungilli Slushy: We are – cavemen!

    I’m confused…first we’re dinks & now we’re cavemen. So I’ll proclaim myself to be a Caveman Dink. Let me be an example. Straighten up fellows, don’t be like me. Happy 2018

  110. Bag of Pucks says:

    Ryan:
    On another note, the Russell debate rages n at the nation level in a somewhat insipid article.

    http://nationalpost.com/sports/long-after-moneyball-skeptics-and-nerds-are-still-fighting-about-analytics

    Thanks for the link share. Always interesting to see the latest perspectives in this ongoing dialogue. I think it’s divisive to refer to it as a ‘debate’ at this stage.

    One thing that I think gets lost in the dialogue is that all humans fall prey to confirmation bias, regardless of whether we rely on numbers or the eye test as our evaluation tool. It’s human nature to form conclusions then defend them vigorously despite the fact that most of athletic performance is a highly dynamic and fluid data environment with massive variance over short sample sizes.

    Once upon a time, the value of so called ‘intangibles’ was defended vigorously by the eye test group and I think the validity of those assumptions was very successfully challenged by an inability to correlate them to meaningful game results. This was progress with an analytics perspective driving the evolution.

    But conversely, analytics folks can easily fall prey to their own confirmation biases. Players like Fayne get anointed as analytics darlings and real time recognition of poor performance lags while bias drives the narrative rather than results. Conversely, once labeled as poor possession contributors, players like Kris Russell can seemingly do no right going forward as any positive contributions from the player run contrary to the established narrative. This is dogmatic and doesn’t elevate the evaluation imo.

    Perhaps one thing that would help continue the progression from debate to dialogue is reconsider the labels applied to the participants? From my perspective, referring to participants as quantitative or qualitative led, is more fair and constructive than many of the current labels.

  111. OmJo says:

    Gret99zky: This team/organization does not deserve the support it gets.

    Careful what you wish for… Look at the situation Ottawa will be in. Maybe this generations Winnipeg Jets.

  112. Scungilli Slushy says:

    LMHF#1: It would be if I wasn’t assuming he’s checked out.

    That’s been evident to me in his post-gamers for some time now.

    He doesn’t even seem to be identifying with HIS team anymore.

    Maybe he wants the players to start more strongly identifying with their team and take more ownership.

    I for one don’t buy they lack of interest or effort narrative. Not from a team with a lot of talent and pedigree and quality people at the top. It’s not a group of people that check out. It’s not like the DoD with a pack of non NHLrs who might have been slack or resigned to failure which is why most aren’t in the league now.

    I agree with WGs take on the issues, starting with goal. They didn’t have a long enough run of good games to get past being fragile. They are being shaken as a group when they get score on early, again.

    They aren’t getting any cover, such as the string of backups being nearly unbeatable they have faced which covered the issues opponents have. With a struggling D group and Talbot being average at best, no good backup, there is no quarter.

    Nobody is stepping up in key roles and sustaining to offset. Except Nurse I suppose. Sekera is the 2 RD they need but his game getting back to normal is a way off still, we knew it likely would be the case.

    The team play is being sewered by the D play. It is destroying stability of play, and everyone is running around defensively because they aren’t trusting the goalies, and are afraid to take penalties at home which leads to tentative play and probably taking penalties because of overthinking.

    They need to take a deep breath and just play. The mistakes are happening either way, focus on playing and enjoying the game, let the chips fall where they may. Playing this uptight won’t work.

  113. Scungilli Slushy says:

    BONE207: I’m confused…first we’re dinks & now we’re cavemen. So I’ll proclaim myself to be a Caveman Dink. Let me be an example. Straighten up fellows, don’t be like me. Happy 2018

    Perfect

  114. JimmyV1965 says:

    HenryDrix:
    Last night’s team reminded me more of the soft Oilers of not so long ago, and nothing like the hard nosed, hard hitting tea with swagger that we saw last year.I have been asking myself one question since end of October – why such a change in persona from last year?The “core” is intact, with a good playoff run behind them, same coaches. Anyone have any thoughts?

    Like Lynn said, I think the players are afraid of making mistakes. Their confidence is shot. I bet we see a huge reversal once the players think they’re out of the playoff hunt and that fear goes away. Maybe that’s what happened earlier in the month. They come back after the break right back in the hunt and then they start gripping their sticks tighter again.

  115. BlueNoteNorth says:

    Oilers playoff point effort

    Goal: 95 points -> 0.579

    Have: 37 points in 39 games -> 0.474 -> 78 point pace

    Need: 58 in 43 games -> 0.674 to reach 95 points

    Current Pace of Top Teams
    TBL 0.763
    NAS 0.671
    NJD 0.658
    WPG 0.650
    WAS 0.638

    Are Oilers going to miraculously go from a 0.474 team to a 0.674 team?
    Possible but unlikely.

    If they are going to make playoffs this season, they will need a number of teams to stumble.
    Also possible but also unlikely.

  116. thedon says:

    Does it look like players are playing to get a coaching change?

  117. Scungilli Slushy says:

    jtblack:
    LHD …

    We have Nurse, Sekera and Oscar … All should be playing Top 4 minutes .. there is no need to keep 3 of them …

    Who can we trade ?AND I ask you all, should we trade one of them in an attempt to get a similiar RHD .. not saying it’s possible (I understand how difficult it is) …

    Would you trade Oscar for Barrie?
    Nurse for Faulk?

    Just spitt balling …

    Trading Oscar for a one way D might not improve things. They need a player that can defend and move the puck. The offense suffers because the D can’t move the puck to the forwards with regularity like good teams can and struggle retrieving it outside of a couple of guys each game.

  118. JimmyV1965 says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Maybe he wants the players to start more strongly identifying with their team and take more ownership.

    I for one don’t buy they lack of interest or effort narrative. Not from a team with a lot of talent and pedigree and quality people at the top. It’s not a group of people that check out. It’s not like the DoD with a pack of non NHLrs who might have been slack or resigned to failure which is why most aren’t in the league now.

    I agree with WGs take on the issues, starting with goal. They didn’t have a long enough run of good games to get past being fragile. They are being shaken as a group when they get score on early, again.

    They aren’t getting any cover, such as the string of backups being nearly unbeatable they have faced which covered the issues opponents have. With a struggling D group and Talbot being average at best, no good backup, there is no quarter.

    Nobody is stepping up in key roles and sustaining to offset. Except Nurse I suppose. Sekera is the 2 RD they need but his game getting back to normal is a way off still, we knew it likely would be the case.

    The team play is being sewered by the D play. It is destroying stability of play, and everyone is running around defensively because they aren’t trusting the goalies, and are afraid to take penalties at home which leads to tentative play and probably taking penalties because of overthinking.

    They need to take a deep breath and just play. The mistakes are happening either way, focus on playing and enjoying the game, let the chips fall where they may. Playing this uptight won’t work.

    Well said.

  119. OmJo says:

    JimmyV1965:
    I really think Benning needs to spend some time in the AHL. It will give him a chance to regain his confidence and allow the team to evaluate just what he is. If he goes down there and doesn’t move the needle then we know he can move on from the player. If he shines, that’s wonderful and we bring back a player who has figured out his game. And maybe we should promote someone like Lowe or Simpson, a vet who is playing well down on the farm.

    I agree with this.

    Could have given Fayne a short stint to replace him at 3RD. Beating a dead horse, I know.

    Would Benning need to clear waivers?

  120. pts2pndr says:

    I still believe in this team! There have been by my observation some very strange line combinations but given the early season injuries etc there could be rational to these combinations. It would seem that once the team had got themselves back in the hunt for a playoff chance they started to play not to lose rather than play to win! The first two goals last night reminded me of a song Benny and the Jets! Two system breakdowns early in the game with a totally bewildered Letestu on the first goal. As LT says you don’t know what you don’t know but I don’t like what I witnessed last night!

  121. BONE207 says:

    pts2pndr:
    I still believe in this team! There have been by my observation some very strange line combinations but given the early season injuries etc there could be rational to these combinations. It would seem that once the team had got themselves back in the hunt for a playoff chance they started to play not to lose rather than play to win! The first two goals last night reminded me of a song Benny and the Jets! Two system breakdowns early in the game with a totally bewildered Letestu on the first goal. As LT says you don’t know what you don’t know but I don’t like what I witnessed last night!

    Who wore the Mohair suits?

  122. digger50 says:

    Practice at 11am today?????

    Absolutely the worst thing you could to Tmac. Absolutely.

    There is enough evidence to question the Coach/team relationship right now.

    The coaching staff smacks of arrogance, over and over. 50% of the mistakes on ice are coming from poor systems play. The coaches believe if the players would just “follow thier systems properly” they would eliminate these errors. They will not for a second step back and question what they are doing and if thier systems are correct. Arrogance

    By the way I think the other 50% or errors are coming from facing good opponents, basically regular hockey.

    It smells like players are starting to blame the coaches, coaches are getting mad and blaming the players. I can hardly remember a presser where Mclellan was posative and defended his players.

    Peters summer was a failure, but right now I agree it’s a different issue.

    It’s a new year. He should of got off thier back, everybody take a breath, enjoy a family day. Christ sakes coach.

  123. OmJo says:

    jtblack,

    Sekera is 31, signed for 3 more years. But also has an NMC (modfieid in the last two years).

    Klefbom is 24, signed for 5 more years at 4.167M.

    I think I keep Klefbom over Sekera, and I’m a huge Sekera fan (I think he’s a better defenceman than Klefbom at this point in his career).

    Though if Chiarelli decides to trade one this season or next it must be Klefbom.

  124. LMHF#1 says:

    Scungilli Slushy,

    They’re being set up to fail. That’s why every now and again they blow somebody out of the water and yet it doesn’t mean anything. They break through the system, the bad lineup choices, the lack of adjustments, etc.

    They’re talented as hell and being kneecapped at every turn.

  125. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    digger50:
    Practice at 11am today?????

    Absolutely the worst thing you could to Tmac. Absolutely.

    There is enough evidence to question the Coach/team relationship right now.

    The coaching staff smacks of arrogance, over and over. 50% of the mistakes on ice are coming from poor systems play. The coaches believe if the players would just “follow thier systems properly” they would eliminate these errors. They will not for a second step back and question what they are doing and if thier systems are correct.Arrogance

    By the way I think the other 50% or errors are coming from facing good opponents, basically regular hockey.

    It smells like players are starting to blame the coaches, coaches are getting mad and blaming the players. I can hardly remember a presser where Mclellan was posative and defended his players.

    Peters summer was a failure, but right now I agree it’s a different issue.

    It’s a new year. He should of got off thier back, everybody take a breath, enjoy a family day. Christ sakes coach.

    This. Every word perfect.

  126. €v¥£€u§ says:

    Scungilli Slushy,

    There aren’t too many RHD candidates out there that might be conceiveably available.

    I am spit-balling as well, but the list in order of probabily IMO might include:

    1. Letang – cost: Klefbom + Letestu and a 2nd
    2. Barrie (currently injured) – cost: Klefbom
    3. Faulk – cost: RNH
    4. Karlsson – cost: Klefbom, Yamamoto, Khaira + Bear or Samorukov + 2018 1st or 2019 1st
    5. Jones – cost: Draisaitl + salary retained

    Perhaps Trouba or Green, but Green is a stopgap and would be too expensive for a short term acquisition and Trouba would probabily cost Nurse and to me Nurse is more valuable to this franchise than Klefbom right now.

    Thoughts?

  127. Bag of Pucks says:

    I know it’s borderline heresy to suggest McDavid could be better, but I do feel there’s an element of his game that does need to evolve so there’s less straight line sorties resulting in negligible shots and more curls in the offensive zone to setup passes to trailing linemates.

    Connor is quite possibly the most dominant one on one mismatch in NHL history. He’s very much Michael Jordan in this way. But just as MJ evolved his game from a driving the lane slamdunk artist, to a complete player with a lethal pull-up jumper and superlative defensive game, I do believe there is room within Connor’s game to grow and improve.

    His line will always dominate from a shot differential pov, but he’s not at a point yet where you can put Dave Lumley on his wing and get an extended goal scoring streak.

    The Captain can and will get better imo.

  128. Oilman99 says:

    Decidedly Skeptical Fan,

    Are you guys serious? These guys are professionals,they played like crap last night, and need a steel toed boot up the ass. There are too many things going wrong to not have a practice before playing the first placed team in their division.

  129. Thinker says:

    I think the practice today points out season over. We can blame the system, but the system didn’t tell Letestu to go full retard on the first goal. Coaches are frustrated by a lack of effort, boneheaded plays and thr like. Meanwhile they probably feel there is a culture of losing developing. I’m a little old school on this with my guys too, but it drives me crazy to no end to have guys going out and partying after getting the shit kicked out of them. That and being chummy with opposition players before the game (even if they are your friends). TMac was afraid of losing Eberle’s leadership, and I think he may feel that he has to lay down the law at this point.

  130. digger50 says:

    Oilman99:
    Decidedly Skeptical Fan,

    Are you guys serious? These guys are professionals,they played like crap last night, and need a steel toed boot up the ass. There are too many things going wrong to not have a practice before playing the first placed team in their division.

    Yup, dead serious.

    Human nature trumps.

    They just finished long practices focused on specialty teams. Results were??

    You can only give so many kicks to the ass before it comes back at you. This one will be a boomerang.

  131. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    But conversely, analytics folks can easily fall prey to their own confirmation biases. Players like Fayne get anointed as analytics darlings and real time recognition of poor performance lags while bias drives the narrative rather than results.

    Its interesting that you wrote:

    “bias drives the narrative rather than results”

    Here’s a little test to see if that’s true.

    Here are all the EDM Dmen’s results from Fayne’s last full NHL season 15/16.

    Dmen must have played 300+ minutes to qualify. There were a lot of them that year.

    These are just results. Fayne mostly played 1st pair with Sekera once Klefbom went down so we should expect slighly worse results than average, but I’m not breaking this down into any sub-categories.

    Just shots and goals. Basic hockey stuff.

    Here is the test:

    I open this to everyone. Can you park your bias and pick Fayne out just via his results?

    5v5 Goals For/60 – Oilers overall = 2.04

    Player GF/60
    J 2.76
    A 2.41
    H 2.19
    E 2.09
    F 2.08
    C 2.00
    G 1.98
    B 1.92
    I 1.89
    D 1.37

    5v5 Goal Against/60 – Oilers’ overall 2.56

    Player GA/60
    J 1.69
    C 1.85
    B 2.15
    H 2.55
    I 2.55
    F 2.62
    A 2.67
    G 2.77
    E 2.86
    D 3.14

    Shots For/60 – Oilers overall 28.44

    Player SF/60
    J 29.88
    D 29.63
    A 29.34
    I 29.14
    C 28.75
    H 28.57
    F 28.55
    B 28.28
    G 27.67
    E 26.32

    Shots Against/60 – Oilers overall 30.22

    Player SA/60
    C 27.05
    H 28.08
    B 29.17
    A 29.73
    D 30.02
    I 30.5
    F 30.69
    G 31.76
    J 32.02
    E 32.08

    Fun fact. During the “awful year” of 15/16 EDM’s 5v5 SA/60 was 30.22. Now that Peter has spent tonnes of assets and given out NMCes fixing the defence their shots against/60 is…….. 30.09. *whew*

    Which one is Fayne?

  132. Gret99zky says:

    OmJo: Careful what you wish for… Look at the situation Ottawa will be in. Maybe this generations Winnipeg Jets.

    I didn’t wish for anything. It’s great the fans support the team.

    With the effort seen last night and this season, though, the team/coach/GM do not deserve it. They take it for granted and owe it to the season ticket holders to set up.

  133. €v¥£€u§ says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Was he C?

  134. digger50 says:

    Woodguy, I cannot guess Fayne, but can you tell me which one is Gryba?

    I think I’m on the “I like Gryba” island all my myself. Anyone else out here??

    He always delivers in his role, gives full effort and his opposition bruises/60 is the highest. I though he and Nurse were excellent third pairing and good on the penalty kill.

    I’m not upset he’s pushed down the line up, if in fact he deserves to be.

    So just wondering how bad is my bias for the Grubbs?

  135. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:
  136. OmJo says:

    Gret99zky,

    There was something thrown on the ice and booes from the crowd at the end of the game.

    Don’t get me wrong, I agree with you – this team doesn’t deserve this fanbase. But no fanbase support, no team.

  137. Thinker says:

    digger50: Yup, dead serious.

    Human nature trumps.

    They just finished long practices focused on specialty teams. Results were??

    You can only give so many kicks to the ass before it comes back at you. This one will be a boomerang.

    Sounds like the number is 1 in your opinion.

  138. OmJo says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Ooh ooh I remember the last time you did something like this, I think it was with goaltenders – did anybody get it right btw?

    I’m gonna guess B.

  139. digger50 says:

    Thinker: Sounds like the number is 1 in your opinion.

    Thinker, I need help deciphering your comment. Help me understand please.

  140. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    OmJo,

    Saw that too. Zoomed in for a closer look … it appeared to be a fans beating heart. After that game I guess he figured the team needed it more than he did.

  141. Thinker says:

    digger50: Thinker, I need help deciphering your comment. Help me understand please.

    There have been no repercussions so far this year. This is the first real kick in the ass.

  142. JD_High says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Which one is Fayne?

    H?

  143. flyfish1168 says:

    Lowetide:
    Ryan Rishaug

    Verified account

    @TSNRyanRishaugnow13 seconds ago
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    Maroon McDavid Puljujarvi
    Cammalleri draisaitl Caggiula
    Lucic RNH Strome
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    Why just post the forwards? Was the Dmen not on the ice practising too? Benning needs a couple games upstairs in my opinion. He has been bad lately.

  144. digger50 says:

    Ah, I see.

    My perspective was there have been many ass kicks handed out, starting right after training camp.

    Debatable but not for today, I’m just getting ready for an early dinner. Have a good New Year’s Day.

  145. OmJo says:

    Decidedly Skeptical Fan,

    Figure it’s going to get worse if the season doesn’t start to improve soon. How much will ownership care if a sold out arena boos the team?

  146. JimmyV1965 says:

    OmJo:
    Gret99zky,

    There was something thrown on the ice and booes from the crowd at the end of the game.

    Don’t get me wrong, I agree with you – this team doesn’t deserve this fanbase. But no fanbase support, no team.

    This team ain’t moving anywhere in the short term. They just spent millions on a new arena and it’s the centrepiece of Katz’ real estate empire. No way he sewers that. Maybe if we had a decade of Ottawa attendance he might consider moving. For now, empty seats and slow ticket sales might actually light a fire under someone’s butt.

  147. Gret99zky says:

    OmJo:
    Gret99zky,

    There was something thrown on the ice and booes from the crowd at the end of the game.

    Don’t get me wrong, I agree with you – this team doesn’t deserve this fanbase. But no fanbase support, no team.

    Hey, the only thing I wish for this team is wins and a “balls out” effort every single home game.

    The fans are paying these players salaries. The season ticket holders.

    I’d expect to see some kind of push-back in a 5-0 ass kicking on home ice. Something.

    How can the players justify an effort like that? How can they pump out the same post-game loss cliches again and again?

    The first thing out of these players mouths after a home loss should be, “We owe it to the people who came out tonight and supported us a better effort. These people deserve our very best.”

  148. JD_High says:

    I thought that Trouba spits guy had a pretty good game last night. Congrats to Chevy for playing that situation correctly.

  149. OmJo says:

    JimmyV1965,

    Very true. But if fan support during the DoD wasn’t there, we’d be discussing the Las Vegas Oil Knights or somethng right now.

  150. SwedishPoster says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    I know it’s borderline heresy to suggest McDavid could be better, but I do feel there’s an element of his game that does need to evolve so there’s less straight line sorties resulting in negligible shots and more curls in the offensive zone to setup passes to trailing linemates.

    Connor is quite possibly the most dominant one on one mismatch in NHL history. He’s very much Michael Jordan in this way. But just as MJ evolved his game from a driving the lane slamdunk artist, to a complete player with a lethal pull-up jumper and superlative defensive game, I do believe there is room within Connor’s game to grow and improve.

    His line will always dominate from a shot differential pov, but he’s not at a point yet where you can put Dave Lumley on his wing and get an extended goal scoring streak.

    The Captain can and will get better imo.

    McDavid does a lot of things at an absolute elite level. One of the very few things on the offensive side he doesn’t do at an elite level is decision making, it’s in NO sense bad, I’d even say it’s pretty good but it’s not as elite as the rest of his offensive game. He still hasn’t fully mastered when to make the simple play and when to try the difficult one, when to shoot and when to pass etc. Again I don’t claim it to be a weakness, it’s just a part where we could see improvement and it would make him even more efficient which would be damn scary to witness for the rest of the league. Considering the player I’m pretty sure he will near elite levels down the road, it’s one of those things that comes with experience in large part.

    I’d argue we ain’t seen nothing yet in regards to Connor.

  151. JD_High says:

    Gret99zky: Hey, the only thing I wish for this team is wins and a “balls out” effort every single home game.

    While I can’t speak for everyone, I know that I wouldn’t play a very aggressive game without my boys firmly secured behind a cup.

  152. OmJo says:

    Gret99zky,

    In a perfect world that would be how it is.

    I don’t want to get too pessimistic and dreary here so I’ll leave it at that and bite my tongue lol

  153. OmJo says:

    JD_High: While I can’t speak for everyone, I know that I wouldn’t play a very aggressive game without my boys firmly secured behind a cup.

    Then you’re probably not willing to wear your heart on your sleeve either, are you? You need your precious rib cage.

    Smh. Kids these days.

  154. VOR says:

    €v¥£€u§:
    I am not a math person, but I am onboard that numbers have a story to tell and I understand the eyes can deceive us, but my impression of this team made me do some digging and I came up with these facts that I shared in an earlier post that should be noted:

    “For this team, when they score first their record is 10-4-2, when they lead after 1 period they are 9-1 and after 2, they are 10-0-0.

    When their opponent scores first, they are 7-15-1, when they trail after 1 period they are 2-10-0 and after 2, they are 2-16-1.”

    When I dug into this more, I found this article from last year:

    https://hockey-graphs.com/2016/11/29/behind-the-numbers-scoring-first-and-conditional-probability/

    So it appears that this team is not only historically bad at home on the PK, but they are also bucking the trend when it comes to losing games when they don’t score the first goal.Conversely, they are exceptionally good when scoring the first goal and having the lead going into the 2nd and 3rd periods.

    This team, man…..because Oilers?

    Wouldn’t the model predict the Oiler’s result? They have scored first 16 times and won 10 for 62.5%. 10.75 would be 67%. They have given up the first goal 23 times. The model says they should have won 33% or 7.59 of those games. They have won 7. So they are underperforming expectations in both cases but not significantly.

  155. fifthcartel says:

    I’m not sure what to make of this Oilers team.

    They’re a top CF% team, although some smart people have shown a lot of those shots coming from the points/defencemen, even then, more shots are generally good.

    I was extremely critical of Chiarelli’s summer, and it doesn’t look much better today. I thought they needed an upgrade on 2RHD and they elected to extend Russel instead. That need is still there today. The Eberle trade was poor. I was stunned Chia didn’t add another scorer on the wings. Too many bets on players like Caggiula, Slepyshev, Benning, Khaira, Gryba, Brossoit.

    I disagree with the Tampa comparison for basically the same reasons as Woodguy. But what happens this summer for next season?

    I feel like a Maroon signing would be insane at this point. Good complimentary guy but you can’t have 9M+ locked into two aging slow left wings long term.

    I’m just curious what happens with wingers/RHD. Their assets are weird. They’re heavy on LHD and what, center? And you’re not moving 97/29, maybe there’s an argument to sell high on 93.

    If they move Klefbom for W or RHD (25 is golden child, 2 and 4 NMCs, 6 is Chia’s guy) then I’d be scared at Chia making that trade. I don’t think anyone moves the puck as well as Klefbom other than Sekera. They need to add to him, not subtract. Maybe LHD prospects in Bear or Jones, but how much value do they have?

    Maybe Yamamoto makes the team, but he wasn’t exactly lighting the world on fire in Spokane post-Oilers.

    A top-5/10 pick might be what they need considering the assets burned by the general manager. They shouldn’t be in this position given what they started with.

    Sorry, this was a bit longer than I intended.

  156. meanashell11 says:

    So does Klef, Yamamoto and our first get us the RHD we need? I watched Karlsson rip a breakout pass down the right wing and all I could think of was McD receiving that pass. Teams who are struggling and possibly looking at rebuild, Arizona and Ottawa. Could we get Karlsson or OEL for that package? They both have a bit of time left before UFA.

  157. flyfish1168 says:

    jtblack:
    LHD …

    We have Nurse, Sekera and Oscar … All should be playing Top 4 minutes .. there is no need to keep 3 of them …

    Who can we trade ?AND I ask you all, should we trade one of them in an attempt to get a similiar RHD .. not saying it’s possible (I understand how difficult it is) …

    Would you trade Oscar for Barrie?
    Nurse for Faulk?

    Just spitt balling …

    I feel Nurse’s price is set very high next to untouchable. He is our only tough enough Dman that will only get stronger and better. The next couple of years when he adds additional muscle he will be a byfuglien with better speed and very scary to play against. We need his mean demeanour back there

  158. JD_High says:

    OmJo: we’d be discussing the Las Vegas Oil Knights or somethng right now.

    If the history of the Yotes shows us anything, it’s that Bettman doesn’t want any team to move.

    http://www.hockeydb.com/nhl-attendance/att_graph.php?tmi=7450

  159. Thinker says:

    I don’t think you can afford Karlsson unless you ship out Draisaitl. I think he wants 11 or 12 million. Dahlin would be a godsend.

  160. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – Happy new Years everyone!

    For what it’s worth:

    1) Or goalie isn’t helping: I mean he’s not bad, but he hasn’t had a “don’t worry boys, no one is scoring on me tonight”. He has maybe “stolen” a point in the tie game that went to OT

    2) Boys are tight: they know they should be better, they are figuring it out

    3) Build on December,Jan will be better, then a heater, and they sneak in, or don’t and tune it up in the off-season.

    Give’er

  161. OmJo says:

    JD_High: If the history of the Yotes shows us anything, it’s that Bettman doesn’t want any team to move.

    http://www.hockeydb.com/nhl-attendance/att_graph.php?tmi=7450

    I remember years ago somebody telling me one of the reasons Bettman is so stubborn wrt the Coyotes remaining in Arizona is that it was important for TV deals in the United States.

    Not sure how accurate that is or not but could be a thing. Or he’s just an arrogant prick that refuses to admit he was wrong about Arizona being a viable hockey market.

    He let the Thrashers move. And I don’t see him fighting tooth and nail to keep the Senators in Ottawa if it really comes down to it.

  162. VOR says:

    woodguy,

    I think it is C but can’t remember enough about that season to tell you why I think so.

  163. OmJo says:

    I just remember he played mostly with Andrej Sekera and was basically 1RD.

  164. jtblack says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    No Idea!

  165. jtblack says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    I like J … whiever he is 🙂

  166. jtblack says:

    €v¥£€u§,

    “1. Letang – cost: Klefbom + Letestu and a 2nd
    2. Barrie (currently injured) – cost: Klefbom
    3. Faulk – cost: RNH”
    *********

    I do any of the 3 if that was the true acquisition cost.

    Bring me Faulk and Derek Ryan (new 3 C).

    I know Sekera and Rusell cant be moved. So its Nurse or Oscar.

    Are we in Agreement that we do not need 3 Top Level LHD?

    I would not go near Karlsson due to enormous contract he will get.

    I sstill think with ine of These RHD, next yr it would help this team enormously …

    – Slot all d into right places
    – Give us a RHD on PP
    -Headman the puck 5×5

    Those 3 could completely turn this team around. IMHO

  167. frjohnk says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Bag of Pucks,

    But conversely, analytics folks can easily fall prey to their own confirmation biases. Players like Fayne get anointed as analytics darlings and real time recognition of poor performance lags while bias drives the narrative rather than results.

    Its interesting that you wrote:

    “bias drives the narrative rather than results”

    Here’s a little test to see if that’s true.

    Here are all the EDM Dmen’s results from Fayne’s last full NHL season 15/16.

    Dmen must have played 300+ minutes to qualify.There were a lot of them that year.

    These are just results.Fayne mostly played 1st pair with Sekera once Klefbom went down so we should expect slighly worse results than average, but I’m not breaking this down into any sub-categories.

    Just shots and goals.Basic hockey stuff.

    Here is the test:

    I open this to everyone. Can you park your bias and pick Fayne out just via his results?

    5v5 Goals For/60 – Oilers overall = 2.04

    PlayerGF/60
    J2.76
    A2.41
    H2.19
    E2.09
    F2.08
    C2.00
    G1.98
    B1.92
    I1.89
    D1.37

    5v5 Goal Against/60– Oilers’ overall2.56

    PlayerGA/60
    J1.69
    C1.85
    B2.15
    H2.55
    I2.55
    F2.62
    A2.67
    G2.77
    E2.86
    D3.14

    Shots For/60 – Oilers overall 28.44

    PlayerSF/60
    J29.88
    D29.63
    A29.34
    I29.14
    C28.75
    H28.57
    F28.55
    B28.28
    G27.67
    E26.32

    Shots Against/60 – Oilers overall 30.22

    PlayerSA/60
    C27.05
    H28.08
    B29.17
    A29.73
    D30.02
    I30.5
    F30.69
    G31.76
    J32.02
    E32.08

    Fun fact.During the “awful year” of 15/16 EDM’s 5v5 SA/60 was 30.22.Now that Peter has spent tonnes of assets and given out NMCes fixing the defence their shots against/60 is…….. 30.09.*whew*

    Which one is Fayne?

    Player F

  168. €v¥£€u§ says:

    VOR,

    VOR,

    You are the math guy, no need to ask me if you are correct, I suck at math. I just looked at the numbers and didn’t do any calculations, thank you for pointing this out, hopefully I will learn from this and put some effort into it if I attempt to use numbers to illustrate anything again, lol.

    My point, which I obviously fumbled here, is that this team has very good results when they score early, and when they have a lead going into the second period they are excellent. When they have a lead going into the 3rd they are undefeated. If they are behind after one period they are not good, but they are horrible when trailing going into the 3rd.

    I haven’t looked at any other team, so I am simply guessing that these numbers (trailing or leading after the first and second) aren’t typical. What my eyes told me was that when they are outworked by the opponent right off the bat, their results are awful. I recall too many games, much of them at home, where they are getting their lunch eaten and they are down by 2 goals relatively early, and before the first period is 10 minutes old, they are already finished.

    Showing up to games being ready to play is not optional in this NHL.

  169. OriginalPouzar says:

    A lone assist for Hebig today in a 4-2 Blades win.

  170. jtblack says:

    €v¥£€u§,

    ” haven’t looked at any other team, so I am simply guessing that these numbers (trailing or leading after the first and second) aren’t typical.”

    I think you will find these numbers ARE TYPICAL for every team.

    Get scored on 1st – problem
    Trail after 1 – not good
    Trail after 2 – curtains

    I bet League wide teams that trail after 2, dont win more than 20% of the time

  171. jtblack says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    OP. Your boy Benson had 4 A the other night 🙂

  172. Thinker says:

    jtblack:
    €v¥£€u§,

    ” haven’t looked at any other team, so I am simply guessing that these numbers (trailing or leading after the first and second) aren’t typical.”

    I think you will find these numbers ARE TYPICAL for every team.

    Get scored on 1st – problem
    Trail after 1 – not good
    Trail after 2 – curtains

    I bet League wide teams that trail after 2, dont win more than 20% of the time

    I bet it isn’t typical to be scored on the first shot 6 times in less than half the season.

  173. GMB3 says:

    From watching the world juniors I have an incredibly difficult time believing we passed over Klim Kostin and Eli Tolvanen. I like KY but he’s pretty much a fart in a windstorm at times.

    Although I suppose Todd “always a bridesmaid and never a bride” Mclellan would probably give Kostin the shaft

  174. russ99 says:

    I keep looking at the Jets roster after we lose to them and see where we want to be, at least as a group of forwards.

    They also have the higher end skill forwards, but ours are seemingly better.

    The big difference is everyone, including the skill forwards, can skate and put in a tough physical shift. Something we’re missing.

    They use a shutdown line to match against the opposition’s best, and it works, something we’ve also moved away from.

  175. GMB3 says:

    russ99:
    I keep looking at the Jets roster after we lose to them and see where we want to be, at least as a group of forwards.

    They also have the higher end skill forwards, but ours are seemingly better.

    The big difference is everyone, including the skill forwards, can skate and put in a tough physical shift. Something we’re missing.

    They use a shutdown line to match against the opposition’s best, and it works, something we’ve also moved away from.

    Don’t we lead the NHL in hits? What year is it? Russ you love the fact Chia has sold off our high end skill forwards. May 2018 be the year of hypocritical narratives

  176. hunter1909 says:

    I’m beside myself. Ten years to ruin the legacy of the dynasty – followed by 1 freaking decent season …then followed by this!?

    Chiarelli is prepared to trade Connor McDavid to shore up the team. Todd McLellan clings on to useless assistants to the point they all might as well get sacked because the team looks dead on the ice. The owner meanwhile, lives out some wack middle aged dream existence in Hollywood – acting like he’s Sam Goldwyn instead of the nerd working at Mom+Pop’s drug store that deep down he will always be.

    The trouble is, there’s no where for the fans to go anymore. Psychically. We’ve been bitch slapped like 20 dollar hookers through the MacT era, and now after seeing Taylor Hall be traded(I still think he’d love to return to Edmonton, he’s the type of character that likes to prove a point) and the team still sucking and blowing seemingly as hard as ever well…what’s left? Seriously, what is left for the fans?

  177. Lowetide says:

    hunter1909:

    Chiarelli is prepared to trade Connor McDavid to shore up the team.

    source?

  178. Jethro Tull says:

    hunter1909,

    Human sacrifice, cats and dogs living together, mass hysteria.

  179. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    For those who are interested:

    JUSTIN.SCHULTZ A
    ERIC.GRYBA B
    BRANDON.DAVIDSON C
    ADAM.PARDY D
    DARNELL.NURSE E
    MARK.FAYNE F
    GRIFFIN.REINHART G
    OSCAR.KLEFBOM H
    ANDREJ.SEKERA I
    ADAM.CLENDENING J

    Clendening only played ~300 minutes and 1/3 of it was with McDavid so it pumped his tires quite a bit.

  180. JimmyV1965 says:

    russ99:
    I keep looking at the Jets roster after we lose to them and see where we want to be, at least as a group of forwards.

    They also have the higher end skill forwards, but ours are seemingly better.

    The big difference is everyone, including the skill forwards, can skate and put in a tough physical shift. Something we’re missing.

    They use a shutdown line to match against the opposition’s best, and it works, something we’ve also moved away from.

    What’s really interesting is this is basically the same Jets team that didn’t make the playoffs last year. So what gives? Why are they so much better this year? I really thought the Jets underperformed last year, just like the Oil this year.

  181. OriginalPouzar says:

    jtblack:
    OriginalPouzar,

    OP. Your boy Benson had 4 A the other night

    Ya, I saw that – held off the scoreboard today though.

  182. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Not to be a dink and nitpick(hehe), but Michael Jordan’s game went to another level when he developed a lethal turnaround fadeaway jumper. Yes, the pull up jumper against Russell was an all-time classic, complete with the uncalled offensive foul for pushing off. But the fadeaway made Jordan unstoppable. It was a shot that could not be defended by shorter guards. And when bigger forwards switched to guard him, the Jordan of old would take them to school.

    Only bringing this up because the mood is so dire otherwise. Nits, consider yourselves picked.

  183. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    JimmyV1965: What’s really interesting is this is basically the same Jets team that didn’t make the playoffs last year. So what gives? Why are they so much better this year? I really thought the Jets underperformed last year, just like the Oil this year.

    Goaltending.

  184. GMB3 says:

    LMHF#1: It would be if I wasn’t assuming he’s checked out.

    That’s been evident to me in his post-gamers for some time now.

    He doesn’t even seem to be identifying with HIS team anymore.

    Reminds me of Joe Thortons comments around TMacs exit in San Jose

  185. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    hunter1909:
    I’m beside myself. Ten years to ruin the legacy of the dynasty – followed by 1 freaking decent season …then followed by this!?

    Chiarelli is prepared to trade Connor McDavid to shore up the team. Todd McLellan clings on to useless assistants to the point they all might as well get sacked because the team looks dead on the ice. The owner meanwhile, lives out some wack middle aged dream existence in Hollywood – acting like he’s Sam Goldwyn instead of the nerd working at Mom+Pop’s drug store that deep down he will always be.

    The trouble is, there’s no where for the fans to go anymore. Psychically. We’ve been bitch slapped like 20 dollar hookers through the MacT era, and now after seeing Taylor Hall be traded(I still think he’d love to return to Edmonton, he’s the type of character that likes to prove a point) and the team still sucking and blowing seemingly as hard as ever well…what’s left? Seriously, what is left for the fans?

    Interesting … tell me more about these $20 hookers.

  186. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    Jethro Tull:
    hunter1909,

    Human sacrifice, cats and dogs living together, mass hysteria.

    Maybe my previous take on the beating heart on the ice last night was all wrong. I like your take better.

  187. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    Not to be a dink and nitpick(hehe), but Michael Jordan’s game went to another level when he developed a lethal turnaround fadeaway jumper. Yes, the pull up jumper against Russell was an all-time classic, complete with the uncalled offensive foul for pushing off. But the fadeaway made Jordan unstoppable. It was a shot that could not be defended by shorter guards. And when bigger forwards switched to guard him, the Jordan of old would take them to school.

    Only bringing this up because the mood is so dire otherwise. Nits, consider yourselves picked.

    Chicago Bulls v.s. Portland Trailblazers NBA Finals. Some sports analyst was doing a player comparison of the starting five for each team and when he got to the shooting guards, noted that while Jordan was superior to Clyde Drexler in almost all areas, Drexler had him beat in three point shooting. Michael got wind of this and, Jordan being Jordan, proceeded to rain down 3s on the Trailblazers throughout the series and Chicago easily defeated Portland. Such an incredibly driven person who was never satisfied with his level of performance … even when he was so much better than everyone else.

    So the point of all of this … Connor is still very young and as good as he is now, I think he has a lot of growth left in his game. Indications are he has a similar compete level to Michael. All the organization needs to do is provide him a success driven environment that will allow him to grow as time goes on. Hope the Oilers are capable of providing that.

  188. frjohnk says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    For those who are interested:

    JUSTIN.SCHULTZA
    ERIC.GRYBAB
    BRANDON.DAVIDSONC
    ADAM.PARDYD
    DARNELL.NURSEE
    MARK.FAYNEF
    GRIFFIN.REINHARTG
    OSCAR.KLEFBOMH
    ANDREJ.SEKERAI
    ADAM.CLENDENINGJ

    Clendening only played ~300 minutes and 1/3 of it was with McDavid so it pumped his tires quite a bit.

    nailed it!

  189. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Decidedly Skeptical Fan,

    Six threes in a half. And the famous shrug to Magic on the sidelines as he went back up the court following the sixth.

    I remember that series vividly. As a long time Phoenix Suns fan due to Kevin Johnson and I having similar stature and playing styles, although of course I was far worse, but I could relate to and mimic his unselfish style (I could, when not in a game situation and had enough of a running start, dunk in high school, too and I am 5’10) that was the series I realized 1992 it was, that no one could stop Jordan. Ever. Except himself when he went to play baseball.

    Now we don’t know if Connor is quite that competitive. I mean MJ was the fiercest competitor I have seen in any sport, but there’s no shame in being a notch or two below MJ.

    That said, that’s a lot of pressure (see Lecavalier, V.) and I don’t want to put that on young CMD.

    Hey kid, Kucherov is going to put your 100pt season to shame. 120 point pace. Guess you aren’t so generational after all! 😉

  190. Nailer Yakumoto says:

    Rose Bowl going to OT, great game

  191. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Nailer Yakumoto:
    Rose Bowl going to OT, great game

    I know. Can’t find a feed here in Tokyo. Sucks!

  192. JD_High says:

    Decidedly Skeptical Fan: these $20 hookers.

    Herpes – if you’re lucky!

  193. JD_High says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): Sucks

    I thought there was a reddit sub for NFL streams?

  194. Thinker says:

    I think Connor’s biggest problem is he reads plays based off where he would be, not where the idiots around him will be. Once he figures that out, look out.

  195. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    JD_High: I thought there was a reddit sub for NFL streams?

    This is NCAA and it all leads back to ESPN controlled rights. Problem is you have to sign up for a 35 game bowl pack to watch this one game.

    Thanks for the suggestion, though. I appreciate it. Usually reddit is my go-to as well.

  196. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker),

    Being a long time Trailblazer fan having grown up in Portland, that series is vivid for me as well. Hated to see the Blazers lose but Jordan set the tone early and often and the end result really was never in doubt. A once in a lifetime basketball talent who, by the way, was passed over in the draft by my very own Blazers since they already had Clyde and were in need of a center (Sam Bowie). Ouch!

  197. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Decidedly Skeptical Fan:
    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker),

    Being a long time Trailblazer fan having grown up in Portland, that series is vivid for me as well.Hated to see the Blazers lose but Jordan set the tone early and often and the end result really was never in doubt.A once in a lifetime basketball talent who, by the way, was passed over in the draft by my very own Blazers since they already had Clyde and were in need of a center (Sam Bowie). Ouch!

    The Glide was a smooth one. Always a pleasure to watch, but he did not have the fire that MJ had. Sam Bowie was a decent player, but he never had a chance vs. Jordan. Olajuwon was a worthy choice but MJ was just too driven to be great. The Sixers drafted Barkley 5th and when he joined the Suns I thought maybe, just maybe, but 1994 proved…everyone was playing for who could finish 2nd to the Bulls at that point. The only thing that likely prevented 8 in a row was Jordan’s first retirement, IMO.

    Loved basketball back then. I never watch now. It’s just a ridiculous track meet. And I think LeBron is an amazing talent. But it’s just not the same game anymore.

  198. Thinker says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): The Glide was a smooth one. Always a pleasure to watch, but he did not have the fire that MJ had. Sam Bowie was a decent player, but he never had a chance vs. Jordan. Olajuwon was a worthy choice but MJ was just too driven to be great. The Sixers drafted Barkley 5th and when he joined the Suns I thought maybe, just maybe, but 1994 proved…everyone was playing for who could finish 2nd to the Bulls at that point. The only thing that likely prevented 8 in a row was Jordan’s first retirement, IMO.

    Loved basketball back then. I never watch now. It’s just a ridiculous track meet. And I think LeBron is an amazing talent. But it’s just not the same game anymore.

    Yup. I’ll watch college ball from time to time, especially march, but the NBA has become unbelievably boring. So much standing around. It’s about as entertaining as soccer at this point. Last time I was legit interested was Suns vs. Lakers in the conference finals. I think it was 2008ish.

  199. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    I was looking more into the atrocious PK. Did y’all know the Islanders’ PK is almost as bad as the Oilers”? 73%. That’s awful for a team everyone is gushing over. Looks like you have JT, Bailey and Lee then Barzal and Eberle, Leddy on D and then a bunch of meh after that.

  200. OriginalPouzar says:

    Rasanen was at 64.38% on the faceoff in the round robin portion of the tournament.

    I have no idea amateur faceoff stats translate to the pro level.

    I wonder if Rasanen will sign and play in Cali next year or if he’s headed back to Boston College?

    I would think at least one more year of college.

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