The dark end of the street

The last time the Edmonton Oilers scored a goal, we had plenty of turkey in the house and the city was enjoying some time with family over the holidays. A pair of 5-0 losses and a post-Christmas record of 0-3-1 leave the rest of the schedule as part curio and part funeral march. This grind toward spring is going to get nasty.

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THE X FILES, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • January 2016: 1-0-0, goal differential 0
  • January 2017: 0-1-0, goal differential -2
  • January 2018: 0-1-0, goal differential -5

January needs to be a strong month for the Oilers, unless getting a slightly better lottery chance is the goal. I can’t imagine that idea sitting well with the organization but there may not be much choice. This is dire now. This is Brooks at the halfway house.

AFTER 40, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers 15-16: 16-21-3, goal differential -24 (35 points)
  • Oilers 16-17: 20-13-7, goal differential +9 (47 points)
  • Oilers 17-18: 17-20-3, goal differential -16 (37 points)

This year’s team is a mere two points better than the 15-16 edition and 10 points behind last season’s pace. The goal differential was -6 just two games ago. If we’re honest, this team is approaching coach killer indifference based on results. Who knows what lies within a man? The results are the thing and they are not good.

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM JANUARY

  • At home to: Los Angeles, Anaheim (Expected 0-1-1) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • On the road to: Dallas, Chicago, Nashville, Arizona, Vegas (Expected 2-2-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Vancouver, Buffalo, Calgary (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 4-4-2, 10 points in 10 games
  • Current results: 0-1-0, zero points in one game

I have this team grabbing 10 points, the Oilers need 14 to stay in the race. One night isn’t the matter, but that 0-3-1 record after Christmas is bullet hits the bone.

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

  • Sekera-Russell were 16-12 together in 13:00, 0-1 GF. Went 14-3 with McDavid, 8-3 against Clifford-Lewis-Shore. Pairing was 2-6 against Pearson-Kopitar-Brown, and that in 4:21. McLellan’s usage of his defense against the Kopitar line is the most interesting thing (for me) about last night’s game. Russell’s pinch of sin and a struggling fourth line were the culprits on the first goal, the only one worth discussing in my opinion (the third period power play made the rest of this game moot).
  • Nurse-Larsson were 12-14 in 13:30 together, they did not score and did not give up a goal (this is all 5×5). Pairing went 6-4 in 6:04 against Pearson-Kopitar-Brown.
  • Klefbom-Davidson were 12-12 in 10:07 (third pair in usage), 0-1 in GF. Were 7-3 in five minutes against Gaborik-Kempe-Toffoli, 3-5 in 3:10 against Kopitar. Definitely the third pairing.
  • Cam Talbot stopped 28 of 33, .848.
  • NaturalStatTrick and NHL.com.

FORWARDS, LAST NIGHT

  • Maroon-McDavid-Puljujarvi looked fabulous to my eye, McLellan tiring of Lucic’s inability to get those pucks on and in the net. Maroon is probably going to skip a few games here (has a hearing) but I’d keep this trio running through January. McDavid was 10-9 in seven minutes against Doughty, 1-6 in three minutes against Kopitar.
  • Lucic-Nuge-Cammalleri were 7-8 together, I’d like a RW who can scoot. Were 6-5 against the Gaborik-Kempe-Toffoli line.
  • Khaira-Draisaitl-Strome were 11-10 on the night, Caggiula chimed in for a time on that line as well. McLellan mentioned right at the end of the media avail that they had higher expectations of Leon and that was true for the entire team. Disappointing run for Draisaitl post-Christmas, for me the big man had delivered quality play until that point in the year.
  • Caggiula-Letestu-Kassian keep getting burned for 5×5 GA, this time it was a pinch by Russell and jailbreak the other way. Who knows what changes we’re likely to see by Anaheim game, I’d tweak this line.

The game had its share of belligerence from both sides and for me sending messages is part of the game. McDavid took some significant slashes and at least two tumbles, I have no objection to some whacks and a shot across the bow. The hit, no matter the intent, appeared to get the head (more shoulder than elbow) and that’s five and a game. The hearing suggests there could be another game or two coming.

ALL HOPE IS NOT LOST

There can be good things in a losing season. The Montreal Expos won 75 games in 1977, but figured out their batting order and finished off the youthful outfield, while the young pitchers pushed up from the farm (and would arrive in 1978 and 1979).

Jesse Puljujarvi looks like a young man who has figured things out, Jujhar Khaira is playing regularly and we’ll see about the others.

Peter Chiarelli’s big trades have been searing in assets out but the smaller deals often bring real help. That’s the play here. PC has basically been quiet during this season (he’s the first Oilers general manager who doesn’t like a microphone) and he’s going to need to make a move to save his coach. If that doesn’t fit with the Katz plan, then the owner will have to step in. You can’t fire 23 players and right now this group looks lost in the supermarket.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, TSN1260. A full boat of fabulous guests, including:

  • Darcy McLeod, Because Oilers. Todd McLellan says he can’t figure out the ills of the penalty kill. What is he missing?
  • Corey Graham, Oil Kings PBP. A nice run for the local junior team, we’ll find out what’s clicking. We’ll also chat about Tyler Benson’s appearance in town (finally!).
  • Aaron Kasinitz from Penn Live. Eagles, baby!
  • Josh Lewenberg, Raptors Beat Reporter for TSN. Raptors are in second place in the Eastern Conference and getting some giant performances.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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  1. Ben says:

    Get busy dying.

    ie: Move Letestu and Maroon for prospects.

  2. OriginalPouzar says:

    That was a decent game last night until the third period.

    Maroon cannot make that selfish play – it changed the game.

    It was another very disappointing game.

    I’ve moved on to a HUGE game against ANA.

  3. Durag says:

    In my rage and apathy (ragpathy?) I have found myself thinking that Chiarelli and McLellan need to go. That they are dinosaurs of a league that existed a few short years ago, but doesn’t anymore. The extent of their imagination was to slowly surround their one sublimely talented player with big battleships who hammer the puck square. How miserable must that be for the talented player?

    But then that got me thinking, if Chiarelli and by extension McLellan were the wrong hires – do we have to look at the man who did the hiring? And if Nicholson is a dinosaur, then who the hell are the good hockey minds in this organization?

    So basically my solution is to have Nuge Reg Dunlop this team and also be the GM.

  4. Wilde says:

    This might be due all sorts of psychological biases, but I’ll go to the grave saying this town’s hockey history plays out more poetically than most.

    It’s almost as if the cruel coalition of hockey deities actively listens to narratives and smites them like they’re earning comission. They could not WAIT to get their hands on “The Oilers are tough to play against because of guys like Maroon, Kassian, Larsson & Gryba!”

    We’ve been smote.

    “Kris Russel and Larsson drive save percentage”

    Struck by lightning.

    “This is a team built for big boy, western conference hockey”

    Meteor strike.

    On the bright side, we’ve had a few go the opposite way. Jesse was good last night. He’s sort of like a foil for puck protecting power forwards, because of his range, smarts and skating. There’s rarely an option for them that he can’t cover, you can’t burn him, his reach is better than yours on weakside passes, and he’s skilled at knocking down pucks on dump ins. He played Kopitar assignments well when he had them in the d zone. The tricky part is it looks like his agent may be too wise to get him signed early, based on how the whole ELC burn went down. This whole train of thought was not at all present in my mind when I watched him in Bakersfield. What a boon.

  5. OriginalPouzar says:

    I don’t use the term very often but Thursday’s game is essentially a “must-win” in regulation game.

    Such a victory would provide a slight glimmer of hope. A loss in regulation and management should be starting pure sell mode and finding out how to maximize value for our pending UFAs (Maroon, Cammy, Letestu, Auvitu).

    Go Oilers!

  6. Durag says:

    Oh and the goal of this lost season should be to move heaven and Earth to trade Lucic. Throw in whatever sweeteners you need to without crippling the team. Probably an impossible task, but watching him choke on brilliant setups from McDavid hurts the soul.

  7. Wilde says:

    It’s ironically comic, because Puljujarvi likely won’t be the type of forward he was projected to be, but in turn will carve out his place feasting on those that are. Might be partially due to playing men since an early age.

  8. Jethro Tull says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    That was a decent game last night until the third period.

    Maroon cannot make that selfish play – it changed the game.

    It was another very disappointing game.

    I’ve moved on to a HUGE game against ANA.

    I don’t know……when the guy who brutalized Hall for years with no repercussions publicly states before the game the “McDavid better keep his head up” ironically gets hit in the head…..

  9. OriginalPouzar says:

    Sounds like Kailer is getting stronger as the tournament goes on – good to see.

    I was disapointed that Czech beat Finland in the shootout last night:

    Firstly, FIN dominated that hockey game and the game was stolen by the Finish tender.

    Secondly, Safin only played 6 minutes and his role has been reduced game by game throughout the tournament – he didn’t play in the 3rd period. By contrast, Rasanen was a major player for the Finish team – playing in all situations including starting the 4 on 4 OT.

    Rasanen sure likes to go to the net and he has the potential to be that right shot 2-way 3rd line center we keep talking about – miles to go – a betting man would say he’ll never play an NHL game but, if he continues to develop, I like his skill set for that 3C.

  10. OriginalPouzar says:

    As far as “all is not lost”, I am seeing the definite silver lining in this shit season – we very well might get a very high end talent in this draft along with a number of additional good prospects from adding picks by selling our pending UFAs – from accounts, there is high end talent at the front and its a deep draft.

    This spring could go a long way to setting us up for the future.

    We have a hole in the top 6 wing next year (as Yamamoto and Benson will likely need AHL seasoning), however, top end forward picks can often make immediate impacts – there is a chance we could fill that top 6 winger spot for next year at the draft.

    I mean, what if we get Zadina or Svechnikov – are they not NHL ready?

  11. bcoil says:

    It is interesting the Peter C was tin front of the Cameras weekly last year and now no one can find him for comment .. Boy do they miss Hendricks in the dressing room and on the PK ask Winnipeg if they don’t thing he was a steal.

  12. stephen sheps says:

    Appropriate blog title for the day.

    There’s an Edmonton ex-pat singer-songwriter now living in Toronto named Eamon McGrath who put out a song of the same name a few years back. Talented guy. Great song, too.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzSeZwKlAog

    Not much to say about the game or that effort last night. It looks bad from here, not sure how it got to this point, not sure if the players, coaches or the decision makers really know how to make things better.

  13. NDOilersfan says:

    I didn’t get a chance to watch last night due to it being nationally televised in the US (seems like it was a blessing in disguise), but I kept tabs on the score throughout the evening. I checked at the end of the 2nd and was pleasantly surprised that we were still in it and had a chance to get back to the win column. Then I looked half hour later and, lo and behold, we’re down 4. My first thought was LA must have gotten 3 quick powerplays in the 3rd. Turns out I gave our PK too much credit…

  14. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    Gonna take a quick stab at the explainer this morning.

    PP Goal Against #1 – This one is all on McDavid and to an ever slightly lesser extent Draisaitl IMO. By the time the chip went up the boards I think it was too far for Drai to get to but McDavid blew the zone anyway. If he would have stayed pat, like I”m sure he was coached to, he would have tied up Gaboriks stick and a flutter shot would have been easily stopped.

    I know that much criticism will probably set some folks off and I’m sure CmD went home and cussed his teammates a new one for not burying at least one of his prime feeds (and rightly so) but that doesn’t absolve a really bad read on the PK.

    As for the PK itself I’m actually in agreement with Todd, no idea what to do with it. There is absolutely zero confidence by any of the players out there. Its tentative to the extreme and despite the obsession by fans (myself included at times) with systems and structure that doesn’t mean a whole lot when the players themselves are convinced they’re about to get scored on.

    And I suppose this is the season in a nutshell. Some are really itching for the coaches head right now and I can’t blame them but I also personally think its a fools gambit.

    NYC has said it best over the last few games, it’s still a very young fragile team. They had some gumption last year and it served them well but so far this season its fits and starts.

    Against St. Louis just before the break I never felt like they “weren’t” going to come back. Just had an inkling that they’d get he equalizer.

    Last night? The minute Maroon took that penalty you knew they were gonna get scored on and the game was over.

    Same team, two weeks and an ocean apart when it comes to confidence.

    I truly believe firing McLellan will be a mistake, I don’t expect a lot of folks will agree with it, but such a decision will be a new high water mark in dysfunction for this franchise, might even set me off down a path of letting go.

    As always we wait

  15. leadfarmer says:

    The contracts handed out last summer and Chias trades effectively moved our compete window back 4 years.
    Move Maroon, Lucic, Russell, Letestube, Strome, Caggula,
    Trade Larsson while his value is still high. I did like the trade but it just hasnt worked out as expected. Such a disappointing player. He can pass the puck. Just chooses not to.
    Move a lefty for a righty d.
    Take the keys away from Chia before he can do any more harm. I’m worried what a desperate Chia can do
    Special teams is all on the coaching staff. All assistants gone

  16. ArmchairGM says:

    Durag:
    Oh and the goal of this lost season should be to move heaven and Earth to trade Lucic. Throw in whatever sweeteners you need to without crippling the team. Probably an impossible task, but watching him choke on brilliant setups from McDavid hurts the soul.

    Nah. Just play him with Draisaitl and get McDavid a shooter.

  17. Scungilli Slushy says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Sounds like Kailer is getting stronger as the tournament goes on – good to see.

    I was disapointed that Czech beat Finland in the shootout last night:

    Firstly, FIN dominated that hockey game and the game was stolen by the Finish tender.

    Secondly, Safin only played 6 minutes and his role has been reduced game by game throughout the tournament – he didn’t play in the 3rd period. By contrast, Rasanen was a major player for the Finish team – playing in all situations including starting the 4 on 4 OT.

    Rasanen sure likes to go to the net and he has the potential to be that right shot 2-way 3rd line center we keep talking about – miles to go – a betting man would say he’ll never play an NHL game but, if he continues to develop, I like his skill set for that 3C.

    It all comes down to skating and assertiveness. Fins usually are fine on the second part.

  18. ArmchairGM says:

    I hate to be critical of McDavid, but dammit man, SHOOT THE F****** PUCK. For him to have such a dominant game and come away with zero points and 2 shots is unacceptable.

  19. Durag says:

    ArmchairGM,

    What did Draisaitl ever do to you?

  20. McSorley33 says:

    So the PK sucks bad. This has been known for some time now.

    So:

    This means a team with McDavid and Leon can’t score a goal?

    This is embarrassing again.

  21. jake70 says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!:
    Gonna take a quick stab at the explainer this morning.

    PP Goal Against #1 – This one is all on McDavid and to an ever slightly lesser extent Draisaitl IMO. By the time the chip went up the boards I think it was too far for Drai to get to but McDavid blew the zone anyway. If he would have stayed pat, like I”m sure he was coached to, he would have tied up Gaboriks stick and a flutter shot would have been easily stopped.

    I know that much criticism will probably set some folks off and I’m sure CmD went home and cussed his teammates a new one for not burying at least one of his prime feeds (and rightly so) but that doesn’t absolve a really bad read on the PK.

    Has McLellan been seduced by that sexy lady known as short-handed goal? 97 and 29 for sure, and sometimes 93, even Kassian by times….they just look like they are thinking heading up ice and scoring…just those split second brain to muscle signals that shift their weight and eyes up ice instead of committing entirely D zone and getting puck out. It’ s not all t he time and maybe I am just lookinfgfor something not there.

  22. Jethro Tull says:

    As I’ve said, goal scoring is a tangible skill. You can harp on about guys having good games. Let me tell you, I’ve played sport semi-pro. Different sport but same message – when you keep losing like this, nobody has good games.

    The aim of the game is to score goals – it’s a process that can be analyzed, and has been. So is hitting a nail into a 2×4. We can analyze a person’s technique with the hammer, their accuracy at hitting the nail, the number of times a nail has successfully been hit into said 2×4. Whether the person is good in the shed, etc. But if something is missing from the process, such as the nail, then the aim will never be met.

    And here’s my point; scoring the goal is the very last step of the process. Because of this, people seem to have a psychological blind spot to when it doesn’t happen, is in “he was unlucky”, “goalie pulled off a wonder save,” etc. We justify them not sxoring to something other than them not doing it. We already have verbal from Maroon that earlier in the season he was blase, not concentrating on really scoring that goal. I think this still plagues this team, only now it’s starting to burrow into the brain like Khan’s big earwigs.

    Anybody wondering why back up goalies look like Jonathon Quick against us? Having awesome 5×5 numbers mean nothing if you can’t bash a nail in a 2×4.

  23. Gret99zky says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Would you pay to watch the remainder of the home games at the arena?

    Can you imagine how the season ticket holders must feel?

    Paying thousands and thousands of dollars a year for seats and have to watch that?

    Now that the playoffs are almost certainly out of reach, STH will be prudently selling off seats for as much money as they can recoup.

    Two home games in a row without a goal.

    This organization owes it to the people who are paying the freight a better performance. From GM, to coach, to players.

    It’s easy to get excited about the next game against __________ when there’s no skin in the game.

    If I were a STH, I would be materially pissed. Violently absent from home games.

    And “must win”?

    How about “must score a goal.”

    If this team didn’t have McDavid it would rank as one of the worst teams in the last 10 years.

  24. McSorley33 says:

    Its now January – we sit 26th in the NHL – and some people are still holding out hope for the playoffs.

    6 points behind the Avalanche who now have a game in hand.

    Even Baghdad Bob – eventually – had to admit US troops entered the city.

    The only concern now is the value of Letestu is plummeting . We will be lucky to get a 3rd rounder now.

    I think – especially in the West – Maroon’s combo of size and hands will still have some cache.

  25. Jethro Tull says:

    leadfarmer:
    The contracts handed out last summer and Chias trades effectively moved our compete window back 4 years.
    Move Maroon, Lucic, Russell, Letestube, Strome, Caggula,
    Trade Larsson while his value is still high.I did like the trade but it just hasnt worked out as expected.Such a disappointing player.He can pass the puck.Just chooses not to.
    Move a lefty for a righty d.
    Take the keys away from Chia before he can do any more harm.I’m worried what a desperate Chia can do
    Special teams is all on the coaching staff.All assistants gone

    That’s a recipe for another 10 years out of the playoffs.

  26. JimmyV1965 says:

    Durag:
    Oh and the goal of this lost season should be to move heaven and Earth to trade Lucic. Throw in whatever sweeteners you need to without crippling the team. Probably an impossible task, but watching him choke on brilliant setups from McDavid hurts the soul.

    Lucic is far from alone when it comes to choking on McDavid set ups.

  27. OriginalPouzar says:

    Gret99zky:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Would you pay to watch the remainder of the home games at the arena?

    Can you imagine how the season ticket holders must feel?

    Paying thousands and thousands of dollars a year for seats and have to watch that?

    Now that the playoffs are almost certainly out of reach, STH will be prudently selling off seats for as much money as they can recoup.

    Two home games in a row without a goal.

    This organization owes it to the people who are paying the freight a better performance.From GM, to coach, to players.

    It’s easy to get excited about the next game against __________ when there’s no skin in the game.

    If I were a STH, I would be materially pissed.Violently absent from home games.

    And “must win”?

    How about “must score a goal.”

    If this team didn’t have McDavid it would rank as one of the worst teams in the last 10 years.

    Absolutely – if I lived in Edmonton I would have season tickets no doubt.

    There will be stinkers and there will also be games that create lasting positive memories.

    One should buy a ticket in order to watch the game not to watch their team win – that is out of their control.

  28. OilClog says:

    What does the coach mean he doesn’t know what to do with the PK? Stop running the damn I formation! Ramp up the pressure, stop playing this damn passive lane system, having guys ring it up the boards only to never have a winger in place to disrupt the defender so the puck gets out! It’s really simple coach, try something new! God damn stubborn shit, players never being in the right place is a system error not an effort error coach!

  29. JimmyV1965 says:

    bcoil:
    It is interesting the Peter C was tin front of the Cameras weekly last year and now no one can find him for comment .. Boy do theymiss Hendricks in the dressing room and on the PKask Winnipeg if they don’t thing he was a steal.

    I was just thinking that myself. Say what you want about Tmac, but he’s there every post game answering the same questions and living with the micro analysis of each answer. Chia has never been a big media guy, but he’s been nowhere to be seen.

  30. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Jethro Tull:
    As I’ve said, goal scoring is a tangible skill. You can harp on about guys having good games. Let me tell you, I’ve played sport semi-pro. Different sport but same message – when you keep losing like this, nobody has good games.

    The aim of the game is to score goals – it’s a process that can be analyzed, and has been.So is hitting a nail into a 2×4. We can analyze a person’s technique with the hammer, their accuracy at hitting the nail, the number of times a nail has successfully been hit into said 2×4. Whether the person is good in the shed, etc. But if something is missing from the process, such as the nail, then the aim will never be met.

    And here’s my point; scoring the goal is the very last step of the process. Because of this, people seem to have a psychological blind spot to when it doesn’t happen, is in “he was unlucky”, “goalie pulled off a wonder save,” etc. We justify them not sxoring to something other than them not doing it.We already have verbal from Maroon that earlier in the season he was blase, not concentrating on really scoring that goal. I think this still plagues this team, only now it’s starting to burrow into the brain like Khan’s big earwigs.

    Anybody wondering why back up goalies look like Jonathon Quick against us?Having awesome 5×5 numbers mean nothing if you can’t bash a nail in a 2×4.

    Finishing is a skill, the difference between the great and the mediocre. I thought it was pointed out moons Chiarelli liked players with good SH%, although WG pointed out that he traded SH% in Hall and Eberle.

    A lot finishing is confidence as well. Not much on this team ATM, even McDavid is rushing his shots IMO. On one rush around the D he would have scored with a half second more patience but shot it right into a pad. He has the ability to process that better (pull it back and raise it) even though it is split second.

  31. McSorley33 says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    As far as “all is not lost”, I am seeing the definite silver lining in this shit season – we very well might get a very high end talent in this draft along with a number of additional good prospects from adding picks by selling our pending UFAs – from accounts, there is high end talent at the front and its a deep draft.

    This spring could go a long way to setting us up for the future.
    ***********************************************************************************************************
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    2011
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    and now in 2018

  32. Dustylegnd says:

    Durag:

    But then that got me thinking, if Chiarelli and by extension McLellan were the wrong hires – do we have to look at the man who did the hiring? And if Nicholson is a dinosaur, then who the hell are the good hockey minds in this organization?

    So basically my solution is to have Nuge Reg Dunlop this team and also be the GM.

    The bad news is this; Howson, McTavish and Bob Green are the managerial depth within this organization, they make Chia look progressive….

    Duane Sutter is director of Pro Scouting, Rick Carrier is Sr Director of player development, after failing as a WHL coach and GM, all of the above are on the wrong side of 55

    The lone managerial staffer under 50 is Keith Gretzky at 49….not a lot of tangential thinking going on amongst this crew…Howson and McTavish helped run this organization into the dirt, and Howson also ran Columbus into the dirt before returning to share his wisdom with this crack crew

    How does this organization fail to hire a young progressive hockey mind?

    Nicholson better exercise his authority and save Chia from Chia or Katz may install Gretzky the elder as GM and then….god help Connor McDavid

  33. Durag says:

    JimmyV1965: Lucic is far from alone when it comes to choking on McDavid set ups.

    Oh of course, but he’s the one eating up $6M in cap space til doomsday. I know moving him is nigh impossible, but maybe if you start working on it now you can figure something out by September. Wouldn’t hurt if we had a more creative GM.

  34. leadfarmer says:

    Jethro Tull: That’s a recipe for another 10 years out of the playoffs.

    As opposed to our current recipe of being knocked out of the playoffs by xmas.

    You have 3 20 min centers in Nuge, Drai and Mcdavid. Build around that. 4th liners can just PK and occasional energy shifts
    We have one RW worth a damn and hes learning on the job. There is no reinforcements coming for at least 2 years. Maybe more.
    We have 4 LHD making 4 mil or more (Nurse will definitely be more than 4 mil) You just cant do that.
    Lucic will become a boat anchor. I dont think anyone disputes that
    Latesttube doesnt do much
    Strome is too expensive for what he brings which isnt much
    Maroon will probably want to get paid. Money that we dont have.

    If you play Larsson than you need a offensive minded RHD behind him. The opposite of Larsson.

  35. Pescador says:

    This feels like the moment in the season where it’s time for a new voice in the room.
    But alas, we have no Doug Weight or Todd Nelson to promote.
    TMcL is a good coach but is no longer able to motivate this team.

  36. Durag says:

    Dustylegnd,

    I will say that I have some time for Howson in terms of development. Columbus’ farm system is outstanding. I have no idea how much of that is attributable to him thought.

  37. leadfarmer says:

    McSorley33:
    OriginalPouzar,

    As far as “all is not lost”, I am seeing the definite silver lining in this shit season – we very well might get a very high end talent in this draft along with a number of additional good prospects from adding picks by selling our pending UFAs – from accounts, there is high end talent at the front and its a deep draft.

    This spring could go a long way to setting us up for the future.
    ***********************************************************************************************************
    This was said in:

    2010
    2011
    2012
    2013
    2014
    2015
    2016

    and now in 2018

    Look at our prospects. Look at our winger depth chart. Just because it was said doesn’t mean it was actually done.
    Look at the Jets for example, spits, Depth throughout the lineup. Young guys reinforced by good vets, but then they have other guys in the pipeline that can reinforce those guys next year or the following. Looks at ours. Big holes and prospects that are years away

  38. Scungilli Slushy says:

    The better players aren’t the problem. Trading them is what they used to do, I hope.

    The role players are too streaky. I believe it is a skating issue for some. Against certain teams and when things break right Letestu, Strome etc look fine. When things don’t line up for them they look slow and out of the play too often.

    For the role players that can skate, they don’t seem to be good enough finishers and/or aren’t consistently involved enough.

    I’ll except Khaira who appears to be establishing as a decent skating role player with decent hands. If they start making moves I’d like to see him at centre for the rest of the season to see if he can do that at the NHL level, he was C in the AHL. He could replace Letestu.

  39. New Improved Darkness says:

    I think I just saw P. K. Barnum stepping up onto the bow rail of a PK Cruiser, leaning forward, and yelling into the wind, I can fly!

  40. dustrock says:

    I was a soccer player not a hockey player, so I am fine if I am totally reaching here.

    But is developing a mediocre PK really that difficult?

    Can they not look at tape of the top 3 teams in PK over the last 5 years and get ideas from them?

    can MacTavish not look at the PK and give them some ideas? Lowe?

  41. flea says:

    The few stats that keep sticking out at me.

    1. Hits – I hate this stat, it’s difficult to track but the Oilers are 1st in the league. I know they have the “big boy” team to pull it off, but I often think – does McLellan have the team playing too aggressively? Maybe the coach favors players that are “engaged” and gives them positive feedback if they are hitting alot. Hitting takes you out of the play, and if the Oilers are running around taking themselves out of the play, then that would lead to more dangerous chances by the other team – eventually. Maybe the team needs to let the game come to them.

    2. Shorthanded Goals – Somewhat related to point 1, the Oilers need to not be so aggressive on the kill thinking about offense. The team can’t help but thinking about scoring, rather than just defending. I think the SHG stat points to an overly aggressive PK that is getting burned.

    Anyways, still hoping they solve the problems, and stop going to slam dunk goals. Just shoot the damn puck and crash the net. They had two slam dunk opps last night (Sekera, Pulju) and both players couldn’t bury it. McDavid’s high speed O zone laps are starting to remind me of Hemsky. Get the puck to the net (not just McD, the whole team)

  42. npanciroli says:

    This season makes me sad.

  43. Dustylegnd says:

    Pescador,

    If we Bring Nelson back don’t forget we get MacT on the bench with him…..what a joke

  44. JimmyV1965 says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!:
    Gonna take a quick stab at the explainer this morning.

    PP Goal Against #1 – This one is all on McDavid and to an ever slightly lesser extent Draisaitl IMO. By the time the chip went up the boards I think it was too far for Drai to get to but McDavid blew the zone anyway. If he would have stayed pat, like I”m sure he was coached to, he would have tied up Gaboriks stick and a flutter shot would have been easily stopped.

    I know that much criticism will probably set some folks off and I’m sure CmD went home and cussed his teammates a new one for not burying at least one of his prime feeds (and rightly so) but that doesn’t absolve a really bad read on the PK.

    As for the PK itself I’m actually in agreement with Todd, no idea what to do with it. There is absolutely zero confidence by any of the players out there. Its tentative to the extreme and despite the obsession by fans (myself included at times) with systems and structure that doesn’t mean a whole lot when the players themselves are convinced they’re about to get scored on.

    And I suppose this is the season in a nutshell. Some are really itching for the coaches head right now and I can’t blame them but I also personally think its a fools gambit.

    NYC has said it best over the last few games, it’s still a very young fragile team. They had some gumption last year and it served them well but so far this season its fits and starts.

    Against St. Louis just before the break I never felt like they “weren’t” going to come back. Just had an inkling that they’d get he equalizer.

    Last night? The minute Maroon took that penalty you knew they were gonna get scored on and the game was over.

    Same team, two weeks and an ocean apart when it comes to confidence.

    I truly believe firing McLellan will be a mistake, I don’t expect a lot of folks will agree with it, but such a decision will be a new high water mark in dysfunction for this franchise, might even set me off down a path of letting go.

    As always we wait

    I agree with all of this, but surely the coach plays a huge role in the team’s fragile psyche. I said it three games into the season. He set the tone all the way back at the Pentincton tournament when in an interview with Doug McLean he mentioned his concerns about the team getting off to a slow start. It’s fine to think that, but why show your lack of confidence in the team even before the season starts? He set the tone for the season.

  45. OriginalPouzar says:

    McSorley33:
    OriginalPouzar,

    As far as “all is not lost”, I am seeing the definite silver lining in this shit season – we very well might get a very high end talent in this draft along with a number of additional good prospects from adding picks by selling our pending UFAs – from accounts, there is high end talent at the front and its a deep draft.

    This spring could go a long way to setting us up for the future.
    ***********************************************************************************************************
    This was said in:

    2010
    2011
    2012
    2013
    2014
    2015
    2016

    and now in 2018

    That’s nice.

    I don’t really care how its worked out in the past – I’d prefer to have additional talented assets than not have them. Given its cap structure, this team needs a pipeline of prospects ready to take over from more veterans that price themselves out of Edmonton – this summer could go a long ways to building that pipeline.

  46. Scungilli Slushy says:

    leadfarmer: As opposed to our current recipe of being knocked out of the playoffs by xmas.

    You have 3 20 min centers in Nuge, Drai and Mcdavid.Build around that.4th liners can just PK and occasional energy shifts
    We have one RW worth a damn and hes learning on the job.There is no reinforcements coming for at least 2 years.Maybe more.
    We have 4 LHD making 4 mil or more (Nurse will definitely be more than 4 mil)You just cant do that.
    Lucic will become a boat anchor.I dont think anyone disputes that
    Latesttube doesnt do much
    Strome is too expensive for what he brings which isnt much
    Maroon will probably want to get paid.Money that we dont have.

    If you play Larsson than you need a offensive minded RHD behind him.The opposite of Larsson.

    Agree, though IMO Lucic is a good 2LW, which his point production has always been. Not good enough for CMD.

    I suppose it comes down to if they want a horse on CMD’s wing for protection still. The refs aren’t going to stop cheap shots and hacks on Connor it seems. If so we very well might have another bad contract in Maroon at the expense of a better player.

    Unless Chiarelli decides some of his NMC’s aren’t holding up their end and pressures them to waive. I doubt it, the OBC train of thought around ‘heart’ still seems to rule the roost. I’m thinking of the defense of Russell after his own goal, maybe that was just standing up for a teammate, I hope the GM sees that his heart and soul guy is being used as a third pair too often at a price the cap doesn’t allow for a well constructed deep team.

  47. Dustylegnd says:

    Durag,

    Kekalainen has been GM since February 2013 its now 2018…..pretty sure Howson had very little to do with the current prospects.

  48. SoCaloil says:

    Ryan Strome…..Quiet.

    How many times have those words been written this season.

  49. Scungilli Slushy says:

    OriginalPouzar: That’s nice.

    I don’t really care how its worked out in the past – I’d prefer to have additional talented assets than not have them.Given its cap structure, this team needs a pipeline of prospects ready to take over from more veterans that price themselves out of Edmonton – this summer could go a long ways to building that pipeline.

    Nothing worse than finishing mid pack out of the playoffs to me. Get in or get another high end player.

  50. linkfromhyrule says:

    If David Clarkson could be moved, Lucic can certainly be moved. He is still on pace to put up mid-50 points in a losing season. Production is in line with a first line LW, though a bottom 10 one.

    There was a few silver linings last night, despite the ugly score.
    -Remove Maroon’s silly penalty and that game is winnable.
    -LAK and LAS are already running away with the divison, those two points won’t be a killer. It’s SJS, ANA, and CGY that we need to worry about. Although, if this keeps up ARI and BUF are the only teams we’ll be worried about…
    -Lucic is finally off of Mcdavid’s line and I believe the top PP as well. Now if only Letestu could be swapped with JP on the powerplay.
    -I was heartened to see Nuge get a look with Mcdavid last night, I would like to see that for another game personally.

    That said, the fact that a team with Mcdavid, RNH, and Draisaitl in the middle is so offensively challenged is an indictment of both the GM and the coaching staff. GM didn’t add enough skilled wingers (the opposite, in fact), and the coaches cannot implement systems that work.

    I would dearly love one question answered: Why does a team with Connor Mcdavid rely so much on the point shot? We do not have a Doughty. Klef is the closet thing we have, and he has looked off all season due to injury. The offensive system sucks, as do their breakouts.

  51. Wilde says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!:

    As for the PK itself I’m actually in agreement with Todd, no idea what to do with it. There is absolutely zero confidence by any of the players out there. Its tentative to the extreme

    I’ve been reading this a lot, and i think it’s a holdover from earlier in the season when the unit was playiny passively.

    I don’t see it anymore. What I see is the same formation from earlier in the year, except even MORE aggressive at pressuring the point. Remenda remarked that he found it confusing that the Oilers share the lowest PK% and the highest SHG count. But one begets the other when the structure is the way that it is. We get seam passed over and over because we create 3-2s and 3-1s against ourselves attempting to break the play on the point and getting outplayed.

    And this is something that you can’t put on the players for two reasons:

    1) Every player and unit is doing it.

    2) Flying the zone prematurely on the PK and creating high% plays for the opponents while attempting a low% play yourself is the type of stuff that gets players benched. I don’t think after getting it drilled into their heads in every other facet of the game to be on the right side of the puck and making the simple play, that the players would willingly and repeatedly make that risky cheat for offense. So it must be something they’re told to do.

  52. anjinsan says:

    McLellan turned the Oiler culture around his first year. He’s not an elite coach, but he is 75th percentile at least — a professional, a student of the game, and very sound. I’d prefer a less systems coach (like Krueger), less blender and more allowing players to discover their own chemistry, but McLellan is not the problem.

    Turns out Hendricks and Pouliot were rather valuable as PK assets and for being fierce.

    Chiarelli, penny wise and pound foolish his whole GM career, built the team to the wrong vision, with very bad assessment of high end talents, and just lousy ability to negotiate contracts. Frankly, if you’re bad at creative vision, bad at talent evaluation, and bad at asset management — why are you a GM, much less a President? Phooey. It started with #16 and #33 and went from there. Right now, he must be a Mount Pinatubo of desperation — and a desperate GM is a dangerous GM.

    Thank God for the bright stars of the Nuge and the Nurse, fine citizens and very fine Oilers.

  53. dernf says:

    Durag:
    Oh and the goal of this lost season should be to move heaven and Earth to trade Lucic. Throw in whatever sweeteners you need to without crippling the team. Probably an impossible task, but watching him choke on brilliant setups from McDavid hurts the soul.

    I’d agree with this. Bad contract for a player who doesn’t fit. The contract will only get worse (and more difficult to move) as Lucic gets older.

  54. dernf says:

    leadfarmer:
    The contracts handed out last summer and Chias trades effectively moved our compete window back 4 years.
    Move Maroon, Lucic, Russell, Letestube, Strome, Caggula,
    Trade Larsson while his value is still high.I did like the trade but it just hasnt worked out as expected.Such a disappointing player.He can pass the puck.Just chooses not to.
    Move a lefty for a righty d.
    Take the keys away from Chia before he can do any more harm.I’m worried what a desperate Chia can do
    Special teams is all on the coaching staff.All assistants gone

    I thought Larsson looked fine last night. He has had a rough couple of games, but without him I think this team would be much worse. Outside of the last few, I think he has been one of the steady hands on this team all year. He is also the best right handed D on the team and it’s not even close.

    I would also shy away from moving Letestu. I think his play would be sorely missed by this team, and I’m hoping they sign him to a reasonable 2 year deal after this season.

  55. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    JimmyV1965,

    Well I can’t really disagree with you but I do question just how much rope/agency that leave’s the players.

    Its so difficult to assess since we aren’t in the room.

    Thinking back to my own playing days (reasonably competitive but not at the CHL level) it was ying and yang.

    Some days a screaming from the coach brought out the best, others it sank like a stone.

    Sometimes a quip like you mentioned from the coach was a motivator on high, others it was “dude what the hell we are on the same team?”

    One thing I do keep in mind though (and OP/NYC have been high on this as well) is the X factor of confidence. Its a weird thing to say when you’re talking about athletes making millions of dollars but for the most part these guys are A) Young, B) not used to sucking.

    Granted there are some vets (and Nuge) who’ve been through the ringer before and should know how to deal but its tough.

    Let’s take our blogs favorite foil in Milan Lucic. For a while now Lucic has been playing what I’d call well, getting his chances, crashing & banging etc but as we’ve all seen he hasn’t been able to cash and he’s part of the hugely ineffective 1PP unit.

    Now he’s seen as (and was brought in to) stabilize the room, provide cover and offer the “been there, done that” leadership for the young guys.

    But he doesn’t PK and he hasn’t been able to pot one.

    Its easy to sit back and criticize, trip over ourselves calling guys lazy and disinterested (I do it all the time), but you can see just how quickly this turns into a death spiral.

    Lucic says “guys come on we really need you to kill a penalty for crying out loud its not that hard!”

    Teamate says “ya well we need you to do SOMETHING on the power-play, or we need you to actually cash one of McDavid’s feeds.”

    Lucic “hey man I’m trying.”

    Teammate “and what do you think I’m doing?”

    Sure that’s a very simple way of putting it but I don’t think its any less simple as “change the system” (whatever that actually means) or “try new players.”

    And for fans during a weird season/skid like this all we want is blood and immediate fixes. Sometimes they don’t exist.

    This is why I’m not sold on firing the coach. I don’t think he’s lost the room, I don’t think the players hate him and are trying to get him canned. Of course I can’t actually back this up because I’m not in the room and lately it seems like a parting comment from Joe Thornton three years ago carries a lot more weight when it comes to how players feel about TMac than a sober analysis so perhaps I am just out to lunch.

    But I think the most frustrated people over this season are the players.

    When I sit back the morning after and I look at the numbers, think back to what smart posters here have explained about said numbers over the years, I don’t have a DoD feeling. Something isn’t quite right, that’s a fact, but I don’t see a team that has quit, one that is being kicked around and beaten to a pulp night in and night out.

    I see one that hasn’t quite figured out how to get going when the going gets tough both in-game and between games. Its all about confidence and I don’t think firing a coach will fix that.

    A common refrain is that TMac is too rigid of a coach. Well imagine what its like to preach a system day in and day out, to see your players come out and execute and hang toe to toe with a divisional rival, come oh so close to opening the scoring (or tying the game) only to have one of your veterans make a risky pinch and/or clip a guy in the head and then have your players one by one start abandoning that plan.

    Is it the coach or the players (chicken or egg?)

    For years this franchise asked players to do too much and then when it imploded the coach was the first one to fall on the sword. Sometimes rightly, other times wrongly.

    We finally have a situation where the numbers tell us that hey guy’s aren’t miles out of their depth and we aren’t getting sand kicked in our faces day in and day out and we’re back to firing the coach despite two years of solid progress.

    They need to learn how to win and as unsettling and unsatisfying as an answer that is to this year I think its probably the most prudent and most explanatory thing out there.

  56. LMHF#1 says:

    dustrock:
    I was a soccer player not a hockey player, so I am fine if I am totally reaching here.

    But is developing a mediocre PK really that difficult?

    Can they not look at tape of the top 3 teams in PK over the last 5 years and get ideas from them?

    can MacTavish not look at the PK and give them some ideas?Lowe?

    It isn’t. You have competent players play a basic structure grounded in sound fundamentals your players learned when they were 9.

    BUT – this coaching staff thinks it has a better mousetrap and can’t see the problem is what they’ve tried to do – even when it “works” they’re exposed.

  57. Scungilli Slushy says:

    linkfromhyrule:
    If David Clarkson could be moved, Lucic can certainly be moved. He is still on pace to put up mid-50 points in a losing season. Production is in line with a first line LW, though a bottom 10 one.

    There was a few silver linings last night, despite the ugly score.
    -Remove Maroon’s silly penalty and that game is winnable.
    -LAK and LAS are already running away with the divison, those two points won’t be a killer. It’s SJS, ANA, and CGY that we need to worry about. Although, if this keeps up ARI and BUF are the only teams we’ll be worried about…
    -Lucic is finally off of Mcdavid’s line and I believe the top PP as well. Now if only Letestu could be swapped with JP on the powerplay.
    -I was heartened to see Nuge get a look with Mcdavid last night, I would like to see that for another game personally.

    That said, the fact that a team with Mcdavid, RNH, and Draisaitl in the middle is so offensively challenged is an indictment of both the GM and the coaching staff. GM didn’t add enough skilled wingers (the opposite, in fact), and the coaches cannot implement systems that work.

    I would dearly love one question answered: Why does a team with Connor Mcdavid rely so much on the point shot? We do not have a Doughty. Klef is the closet thing we have, and he has looked off all season due to injury. The offensive system sucks, as do their breakouts.

    The system works 5v5 it seems. Without brain farts really quite strong. Still I wonder if it is a bit stifling.

    Then again McL isn’t dense, maybe he’s tuned it to what the GM has given him. I’m not sure they have the players to be more offensive or high tempo.

  58. CrazyCoach says:

    ***SPAM***

    Well today is a sad anniversary for me, but also some new/old beginnings.

    The sad is that I lost my dad one year ago today. In perspective, last nights debacle seem trivial to me this morning. I did write about it and if you want to read it, here it is http://crazycoach.blogspot.ca/2018/01/letter-to-my-dad.html

    The new/old beginning is that I start my part-time teaching gig here at the local college teaching a class in Kinesiology (we used to call it Phys ED back in the day, but times change). 36 young people get to listen to me ramble on about how athletes in the old DDR were seen as diplomats in track suits, and we’ll throw a little debate in there about the Flames rink situation…

    Either way, it’s a surreal day today.

    I hope all of you have a great day.

    Go Oilers Go!

  59. jtblack says:

    OP: Must win? you are Reaching my friend.

    There is 0 chance this teams makes the Playoffs.

    It was a near impossible task Dec.1st. They gave a Glimmer, but they simply are Not Playing Consistent / Good enough Hockey. Its that simple

    They have a backup with a 3 – 7 record. And Dadbot has been Average.

    NO CHANCE.

    What remains is the following:

    Does the coaching staff stay?
    Does the GM make any moves?
    Does the GM make any major moves?

    Keep 2018 1st rounder and Hit the ground running next year.

  60. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    Wilde,

    The I formation and what they are doing with it isn’t the be all end all here.

    From what I understand when its working properly the I allows the top forward to swing up to the points while the bottom forward can cover the bumper shot and the half wall guys. Dmen need to have their heads and sticks on swivels but in and of itself there isn’t anything fundamentally wrong with the setup.

    When things start going south (and my GF will attest to this) I start muttering “dammit they are chasing again,” and that’s when the seams start opening up.

    Sometimes its a player flying the zone, others its an over commitment to a player or a dman on the half wall (I rarely see a forward over commit when the dman is in the middle half of the ice) and to me that screams impatience.

    Some teams are very very aggressive on the PK and will hard charge whenever an opportunity presents itself. Usually those teams will get burned by a good PP because by simple math someone is going to be left open.

    With the Oilers you can see them start to lock up the minute the initial setup is breached. The dmen start drifting further and further from the net and the middle forward stops moving his feet and starts swinging his stick. The second the top forward makes a break you have the other guy flat footed.

    When the Oilers are on the PP the same damn problem comes up. Flat footed, drifting further and further away from the danger areas and then when someone does make a break nobody else is ready for it. The PK team stays patient and the Oilers kill the penalty off themselves.

    Maybe I’m looking at things a bit too rose coloured here (and will admit as such) but I don’t see coaching per say causing a whole lot of these issues. Despite its overall speed you need to be patient in hockey, the Oilers at home on the penalty kill (and frankly in most cases) have not been patient, they have not been willing to stick with something and at a very high clip the minute they slip up it ends up in their net.

  61. stephen sheps says:

    CrazyCoach,

    One year for you, fifteen for me.

    Stay strong today, Ben. My thoughts are with you.

    And of course congratulations on the teaching gig. Well deserved.

  62. OriginalPouzar says:

    jtblack:
    OP: Must win? you are Reaching my friend.

    There is 0 chance this teams makes the Playoffs.

    It was a near impossible task Dec.1st. They gave a Glimmer, but they simply are Not Playing Consistent / Good enough Hockey. Its that simple

    They have a backup with a 3 – 7 record.And Dadbot has been Average.

    NO CHANCE.

    What remains is the following:

    Does the coaching staff stay?
    Does the GM make any moves?
    Does the GM make any major moves?

    Keep 2018 1st rounder and Hit the ground running next year.

    I look forward to turning in to the game on Thursday evening with the hope (faint) of closing the gap on ANA by a couple of points.

  63. CrazyCoach says:

    stephen sheps:
    CrazyCoach,

    One year for you, fifteen for me.

    Stay strong today, Ben. My thoughts are with you.

    And of course congratulations on the teaching gig. Well deserved.

    Thanks very much! I’m excited and nervous to be teaching today.

  64. ArmchairGM says:

    Durag:
    ArmchairGM,

    What did Draisaitl ever do to you?

    *grins*

    Lucic and Draisaitl have worked together well in the past, and Draisaitl’s game isn’t based on pure speed like McDavid’s is. Lucic can sort of keep up with Leon.

  65. stephen sheps says:

    CrazyCoach,

    You’re going to be just fine. It’s not all that different from coaching as far as I can tell. And your students are lucky to have you!

  66. leadfarmer says:

    dernf,

    Not saying just get rid of him. We need to aim higher though. In todays game you need to be fast and move the puck fast. He defends well but he does a poor job moving the puck.

  67. Wilde says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!,

    The problem isn’t just the one forward overcommitting, its that the wedge/triangle of the other 3 players is broken when the 2nd forward also starts flying, when his only cue for movement should be if the break is clean, or if the play goes east/west and he has to become the 1st forward after the other guy goes back to the wedge.

    They’re not being aggressive with the goal of breaking up the play, they’re being aggressive with the goal of creating a scoring play.

    For the record I think the coach is the straw that breaks the camels back, and Peter is the main perp of animal abuse.They’d be able to modestly succeed in spite of poor deployment and special teams if they were the elite team they could have been.

  68. Jethro Tull says:

    CrazyCoach,

    There’s no coach like the first one you get in life…….

    Don’t forget to tell those kids stories about your dad…..

  69. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    Wilde,

    Ok I agree with your first two paragraphs.

    But I don’t follow the link between those two and coaching/GMing in the 3rd.

    From yesterday’s game: McDavid is one of the most skilled offensive players in the NHL and he is the fastest.

    When he blows the zone is he being coached to do it or is he doing it because he has always done it?

    My personal answer to that question is why I don’t think firing the coach is the proper answer to the Oilers struggles.

  70. Bag of Pucks says:

    Dustylegnd: The bad news is this; Howson, McTavish and Bob Green are the managerial depth within this organization, they make Chia look progressive….

    Duane Sutter is director of Pro Scouting, Rick Carrier is Sr Director of player development, after failing as a WHL coach and GM, all of the above are on the wrong side of 55

    The lone managerial staffer under 50 is Keith Gretzky at 49….not a lot of tangential thinking going on amongst this crew…Howson and McTavish helped run this organization into the dirt, and Howson also ran Columbus into the dirt before returning to share his wisdom with this crack crew

    How does this organization fail to hire a young progressive hockey mind?

    Nicholson better exercise his authority and save Chia from Chia or Katz may install Gretzky the elder as GM and then….god help Connor McDavid

    I’m not going to defend the record of these gents, but your comments are ageist in the extreme.

    There are plenty of people north of 50 that are capable of progressive and ‘tangential’ thinking. I would point to the host of this site as a most obvious and glaring example. As another example, did you know that Warren Buffet made the vast percentage of his fortune after the age of 50? Gerald Gallant is also doing a helluva job at the age of 54, and this after being fired by the allegedly ‘progressive’ smartest men in the room.

    By all means, let’s focus attention on the records and acumen of the people in charge, but please save your ageist stereotyping for another avenue of expression. Racism, sexism, ageism: all shades of the same kind of prejudice.

  71. StixMalone says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!:
    Wilde,

    The I formation and what they are doing with it isn’t the be all end all here.

    From what I understand when its working properly the I allows the top forward to swing up to the points while the bottom forward can cover the bumper shot and the half wall guys. Dmen need to have their heads and sticks on swivels but in and of itself there isn’t anything fundamentally wrong with the setup.

    When things start going south (and my GF will attest to this) I start muttering “dammit they are chasing again,” and that’s when the seams start opening up.

    Sometimes its a player flying the zone, others its an over commitment to a player or a dman on the half wall (I rarely see a forward over commit when the dman is in the middle half of the ice) and to me that screams impatience.

    Some teams are very very aggressive on the PK and will hard charge whenever an opportunity presents itself. Usually those teams will get burned by a good PP because by simple math someone is going to be left open.

    With the Oilers you can see them start to lock up the minute the initial setup is breached. The dmen start drifting further and further from the net and the middle forward stops moving his feet and starts swinging his stick. The second the top forward makes a break you have the other guy flat footed.

    When the Oilers are on the PP the same damn problem comes up. Flat footed, drifting further and further away from the danger areas and then when someone does make a break nobody else is ready for it. The PK team stays patient and the Oilers kill the penalty off themselves.

    Maybe I’m looking at things a bit too rose coloured here (and will admit as such) but I don’t see coaching per say causing a whole lot of these issues. Despite its overall speed you need to be patient in hockey, the Oilers at home on the penalty kill (and frankly in most cases) have not been patient, they have not been willing to stick with something and at a very high clip the minute they slip up it ends up in their net.

    Great visual of a penalty kill when executed properly. Just wondering if they are getting focused on short handed goal opportunities, especially with McD on the kill. Kassian is also up front as well always looking..,.

  72. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Bag of Pucks: I’m not going to defend the record of these gents, but your comments are ageist in the extreme.

    There are plenty of people north of 50 that are capable of progressive and ‘tangential’ thinking. I would point to the host of this site as a most obvious and glaring example. As another example, did you know that Warren Buffet made the vast percentage of his fortune after the age of 50? Gerald Gallant is also doing a helluva job at the age of 54, and this after being fired by the allegedly ‘progressive’ smartest men in the room.

    By all means, let’s focus attention on the records and acumen of the people in charge, but please saveyour ageist stereotyping for another avenue of expression. Racism, sexism, ageism: all shades of the same kind of prejudice.

    I’ll also add that open minded people with experience (read older) offer the added benefit of knowing what doesn’t work, so it can be avoided and efforts can put toward new things that might be an improvement.

  73. GMB3 says:

    CrazyCoach,

    Congratulations on the new gig CC. As a former Kin grad myself I would of loved to have a professor who could have shot the shit about hockey with me. Are you at UNBC or Caledonia?

  74. Thinker says:

    It’s generous to call Talbot average. Oilers need to sign someone this summer who can at least compete with him, and play 30 games. We are streaking because Talbot is hot and cold and Brossoit is just cold.

  75. Bag of Pucks says:

    Scungilli Slushy: I’ll also add that open minded people with experience (read older) offer the added benefit of knowing what doesn’t work, so it can be avoided and efforts can put toward new things that might be an improvement.

    True dat. Scotty Bowman won 2 Stanleys at the age of 66 and 67. Advancing age is never the obstacle to success. Willingness to commit to lifelong learning and a keen intellect are traits that people can exhibit at any time in their life, and most successful people maintain these traits for the duration. We often underrate the wisdom of experience at our own expense.

  76. Wilde says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!,

    One of the most valuable parts of CMD’s hockey IQ is his ability to foresee and anticipate when he can jump. That’s what he carries with him in his head, in regards to it being ‘what he always does’. So yes, I think it’s likely he jump the puck fairly often regardless of coaching. The contribution of scoring plays he creates when he jumps, versus the ones he gives up, is vast. Him being agressive on puck carriers is a net positive contributor. We’re going to have to be okay with him playing that way becauae it’s the reason he’s the most potent outscorer in the world.

    So the answer to your question is yes, he’s doing it because he’s always done it. But as was already said, he’s not the only one doing it, so he’s also being told to do it, and it’s only so dangerous because the formation also breaks up behind him or whoever else is first forward.

  77. Thinker says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    As far as “all is not lost”, I am seeing the definite silver lining in this shit season – we very well might get a very high end talent in this draft along with a number of additional good prospects from adding picks by selling our pending UFAs – from accounts, there is high end talent at the front and its a deep draft.

    This spring could go a long way to setting us up for the future.

    We have a hole in the top 6 wing next year (as Yamamoto and Benson will likely need AHL seasoning), however, top end forward picks can often make immediate impacts – there is a chance we could fill that top 6 winger spot for next year at the draft.

    I mean, what if we get Zadina or Svechnikov – are they not NHL ready?

    Would love to have another Paradubian Prince. I don’t think we should be banking on a draft pick to fill our holes anymore. Unless we are aiming to return to the playoffs in year 3 of McDavid’s 2nd contract.

  78. Bag of Pucks says:

    Historically, it’s not uncommon for struggling teams to fire an HC during the all star break when the downtime can be used to ease the transition.

    I suspect if Chiarelli is thinking along these lines, that might be the date/deadline he has in mind for MacLellan to right the ship.

    The playoffs are moot but the team has to show progress over the remainder of the season. A full on tank job/death spiral would undo a lot of the gains made last season imo.

    I hope he turns it around. Better the devil you know, but man, these special teams stink and that is an area of the game that is hugely influenced by coaching tactics. We can say the players look like they lack confidence, or they’re too impatient, or they’re making mental errors on the execution, but ultimately isn’t it the coaching staff’s job to create the right environment to properly mitigate all those mental factors? Is it possible that this team is a reflection of a coach that is too tightly wound?

    This situation reminds me a bit of the NFL Raiders. Headed into the season with high expectations and promptly shit the bed. Their season was a litany of mistakes (penalties, dropped passes, turnovers) that over time became very easy to attribute to a lack of proper preparation by the coaching staff. Hence Del Rio out and likely Gruden in. One of the core tenants of Bill Belichik’s philosophy is that it’s the job of the coaches to prepare the players to eliminate all mental and positional errors, so the team does not beat itself. If you’re fundamentally strong in your execution, everything flows from that.

    Does this team look strong on the fundamentals?

  79. Thinker says:

    Bag of Pucks: I’m not going to defend the record of these gents, but your comments are ageist in the extreme.

    There are plenty of people north of 50 that are capable of progressive and ‘tangential’ thinking. I would point to the host of this site as a most obvious and glaring example. As another example, did you know that Warren Buffet made the vast percentage of his fortune after the age of 50? Gerald Gallant is also doing a helluva job at the age of 54, and this after being fired by the allegedly ‘progressive’ smartest men in the room.

    By all means, let’s focus attention on the records and acumen of the people in charge, but please saveyour ageist stereotyping for another avenue of expression. Racism, sexism, ageism: all shades of the same kind of prejudice.

    Typical stupid young buck amiright?

  80. Scungilli Slushy says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!: I truly believe firing McLellan will be a mistake

    I agree. And who is there better to hire? Perhaps a new AC or a change there, but it’s too early to destabilize the team yet again. Young key players and not good enough vets is the issue more at this point.

  81. JimmyV1965 says:

    Wilde:
    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!,

    One of the most valuable parts of CMD’s hockey IQ is his ability to foresee and anticipate when he can jump. That’s what he carries with him in his head, in regards to it being ‘what he always does’. So yes, I think it’s likely he jump the puck fairly often regardless of coaching. The contribution of scoring plays he creates when he jumps, versus the ones he gives up, is vast. Him being agressive on puck carriers is a net positive contributor. We’re going to have to be okay with him playing that way becauae it’s the reason he’s the most potent outscorer in the world.

    So the answer to your question is yes, he’s doing it because he’s always done it. But as was already said, he’s not the only one doing it, so he’s also being told to do it, and it’s only so dangerous because the formation also breaks up behind him or whoever else is first forward.

    Maybe the answer is don’t put him on the PK until the final 30 seconds. Same with Drai.

  82. CrazyCoach says:

    GMB3:
    CrazyCoach,

    Congratulations on the new gig CC. As a former Kin grad myself I would of loved to have a professor who could have shot the shit about hockey with me. Are you at UNBC or Caledonia?

    College of New Caledonia, and yes, there will be much discussion about hockey.

  83. Jethro Tull says:

    Age does not automatically equal wisdom. It is also ageist to hire someone because they are older, with the misconception that they are somehow wiser. Experience is only relevant if used to enforce good practice. Somehow, everything comes back to meritocracy; if you are capable of doing the job, everything else is irrelevant.

  84. russ99 says:

    This isn’t brain surgery.

    Maroon – McDavid – Puljujarvi
    Lucic – Draisaitl – Slepyshev/Strome/Khaira
    Cammelleri – RNH – Kassian
    Caggiula – Letestu – Khaira/Strome/Slepyshev

    Larsson – Klefbom
    Sekera – Russell
    Nurse – Davidson

    Worked in the past, top two lines have offensive chemistry, return Nuge to the two-way vs. toughs role that won us a lot of games last year, run the D in familiar pairs.

    Best way to fix the PK – stop chasing, maintain shape, set up who covers where in advance, just dump it out, worry about shorties once we can consistently stop the opposition.

  85. LMHF#1 says:

    Scungilli Slushy: I agree. And who is there better to hire? Perhaps a new AC or a change there, but it’s too early to destabilize the team yet again. Young key players and not good enough vets is the issue more at this point.

    Todd Nelson.

    This roster could play the game his way and do it well.

  86. Dustylegnd says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    Relax, I am 51 years wise myself and a progressive thinker and early adopter, my point is this; the vast majority of our management team fits a very very similar profile, and the only member who has any success as a professional manager of hockey is Chia and his boss via hockey Canada.

    Does Buffet surround himself with a team of 80 something Columbia grads or does he have a diversified staff of all ages and back grounds? Do you know why Berkshire Hathaway is now the largest shareholder of apple stock? Buffet noticed that every time he took his grandchildren for ice cream at the local Dairy Queen they immediately pulled out their Iphones and demonstrated a fierce brand loyalty….his gears started turning…..he researched the company and realized he was a fool for not owning said company.

    The best trading I have ever done occurred while I worked for a hedge fund in Chicago surrounded by a diverse set of advanced degrees earned at MIT, Harvard, Yale, Berkley, IIT, IIM etc….amazing how my eyes got opened and I broke a tired paradigm of thinking while being surrounded with people of diverse geographic, ethnic and educational back grounds a lot smarter than I….

    I don’t see anyone smarter than Chia on his management team….nor do I see anyone with a progressive track record…..so save you false accusations of ageist, shelf your melodramatic rhetoric…take a chill pill and have a wonderful day

  87. Wilde says:

    JimmyV1965,

    Problem there is that he’s one of our competent forward PKers, and those are scarce on this roster. And again, he is not the only forward doing it therefore whoever replaces him will also do it, to presumeablely lesser effect.

  88. Derek says:

    **** Completely Off Topic Thread Jack ****

    With apologies to our gracious host I humbly submit a plea to the blog for a bit of guidance.

    I’m a 30 something blue collar worker who drinks too much beer. I’ve learned much from this place in the 10 or so years I’ve been here, often about patience and context and trying to take the emotion out of decisions, which has served me quite well. So I turn to the lot of you again with a new predicament.

    I was in and out of Oil and Gas for near a decade and a slight casualty of the recent downturn. I basically jumped head first into working on a drilling rig to pay off some fairly insignificant student debt and then just never left. Alas, the skills that I bought were replaced by the ones I used to pay the tab and now neither skill sets are of much use to me.

    Its not a big deal, I saved quite a bit and the skills I picked up along the way have allowed me to find employment in a number of different areas. Prior to realizing that and finding my way without oil and gas my savings suffered a death by a thousand cuts type attack where I went to the well far more often than I should have.

    Blah blah blah, woe is me, dumb righand is dumb.

    Things have stabilized now and I once again find myself heading upward. New resident in the city of Calgary, new gf, new and much different crowd. The savings are growing again, too big to be kept in a sock under the mattress without causing significant back pain and now I want to put it to work for me, but I don’t have the slightest idea of where to start.

    This place is full of people I’d never bump into in my day to day life, and I’d guess the majority are quite a bit swifter than I am. Any resources to point me in the right direction would be a godsend. I want to learn about this new world of investing and trading because I’m far too hardheaded and skeptical to just listen to every other mouth breather screaming “WEED STOCKS!” in my ear.

    I’ve been reading investopedia and various reddits on investing, but I’m not sure what information I should trust and what is misinformed (another gift from this blog).

    Sorry for the wall of text, the thread jack, the Oilers inability to score goals, and the miserable PK.

    Thank you for reading and thank you again Alan for this wonderful place even (especially?) when the home team sucks ass.

  89. Oilman99 says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    There is no guarantee they will have a top pick left the way PC operates. Their only hope is if upper management puts a stop to any desparate trades involving picks.

  90. Bag of Pucks says:

    Dustylegnd:
    Bag of Pucks,

    Relax, I am 51 years wise myself and a progressive thinker and early adopter, my point is this; the vast majority of our management team fits a very very similar profile, and the only member who has any success as a professional manager of hockey is Chia and his boss via hockey Canada.

    Does Buffet surround himself with a team of 80 something Columbia grads or does he have a diversified staff of all ages and back grounds? Do you know why Berkshire Hathaway is now the largest shareholder of apple stock? Buffet noticed that every time he took his grandchildren for ice cream at the local Dairy Queen they immediately pulled out their Iphones and demonstrated a fierce brand loyalty….his gears started turning…..he researched the company and realized he was a fool for not owning said company.

    The best trading I have ever done occurredwhile I worked for a hedge fund in Chicago surrounded by a diverse set of advanced degrees earned at MIT, Harvard, Yale, Berkley, IIT, IIM etc….amazing how my eyes got opened and I broke a tired paradigm of thinking while being surrounded with people of diverse geographic, ethnic and educational back grounds a lot smarter than I….

    I don’t see anyone smarter than Chia on his management team….nor do I see anyone with a progressive track record…..so save you false accusations of ageist, shelf your melodramatic rhetoric…take a chill pill and have a wonderful day

    Your initial post insinuated that only people south of 50 are capable of progressive or ‘tangential’ thought. A belief which you justify rather than retract with your followup post.

    Absolutely, young talent is the lifeblood of any organization and/or industry. But that doesn’t automatically discount the potential contributions of others just because they’ve hit a certain age. And that’s the core of the insinuation you were making initially.

    If you don’t like being called out for ageist rhetoric, don’t do it. People shouldn’t have to take a ‘chill pill’ so that passive aggressive prejudice goes overlooked and unchallenged.

  91. Jethro Tull says:

    PK would look nice on our PK…….😉

  92. leadfarmer says:

    Put Lucic Drai and Puljujarvi together. This team is done and development is now the goal. We should not put a rookie out there every night against the harderst matchups.
    Finding a RW for mcdavid in the offseason has to be a priority. A real one. Not a washed up vet who may have enough in the tank to stick around on a lower line

  93. jtblack says:

    Derek,

    “I want to learn about this new world of investing”.

    IMO. If I wanted to learn about Horse Breeding, I wouldnot consult a Nascar blog.

    If I wanted to learn about knitting, I would not ask a Badminton blog.

    Just my 2 cents.

  94. Woogie63 says:

    Each off season, there are at least 5 vets looking to work for about $1M. Within this group of players a couple strong PKers can be found. There is also at least 3 quality back up goalies who want to join a team for about $1M

    Each off season it is very hard to find a MacDavid, Draisaitl, Puljarjavi, Nuge, Larsson, Nurse, Klefbom.

    Fixing the PK and finding a back up the coach can go to when the starter goes cold, should be a quick fix for PC.

    Keep your powder dry folks, it was really bad for a long time, but this is different.

  95. Wilde says:

    russ99:

    Cammelleri – RNH – Kassian

    return Nuge to the two-way vs. toughs role that won us a lot of games last year

    I don’t think you can roll out Nuge against top lines while also saddling him with two struggling wingers. It’s gotta be one or the other. Either give him soft minutes with lesser wingers, or give him hard minutes with better wingers. He’s a 65 point, positive possession guy with a break from carrying his line against top units and a 45 point, negative guy without it. Thats the difference between rookie Nuge and 16-17 Nuge. Give him the break because CMD beats everyone regardless.

  96. unca miltie says:

    just got entered into the cfrn draw on Al’s show. was it Costa Rico, cant remember….hope my name comes up…

  97. Side says:

    jtblack:
    Derek,

    “I want to learn about this new world of investing”.

    IMO.If I wanted to learn about Horse Breeding, I wouldnot consult a Nascar blog.

    If I wanted to learn about knitting, I would not ask a Badminton blog.

    Just my 2 cents.

    I think he’s asking because there are posters here who are obviously financial advisors and investors.

  98. Gret99zky says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Nothing worse than finishing mid pack out of the playoffs to me. Get in or get another high end player.

    Nice.

    If you’re going to the gym to lose a few pounds and get healthy, don’t go in right away. And not at your current weight.

    Gain another 30 lbs of fat and then go in.

    This will justify the gym membership and make the workouts more meaningful.

    😉

  99. Dustylegnd says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    No, you inferred that I was linking a lack of tangential thinking with age….I said all of them are over 55 save Gretzky, I stated a fact

    I then said, I don’t see much tangential thinking going on, another fact,

    the life blood of well run organizations is rising stars of all ages…..as far as I can tell, Chia is surrounded by like minded hockey men, all from the same generation, and their lack of success, save Chia, speaks for itself….this world is a results oriented world

  100. jtblack says:

    Derek,

    Felt Bad for my first response. Here is the simpliest Investing advice I can give you.

    1) Get an account right away. doesnt matter where, just get one ( TD WEBROKER I use, Ameritrade. etc)
    2) Stsrt Investing REAL $$ Today. If you have $100k, start very small, maybe set aside $5k to begin with. Start buyjng blue chip, simple stocks with REAL MONEY.
    3) Read a simple “Investing for Idiots” book. This will help you get started
    4) Do Not try for homeruns. Invest a smalll amount to Learn
    5) Join am investing group. This will be a good start
    6) As you get more comfortable you can try penny stocks, FOREX, shorting, etc etc etc.

    The Investing Landscspe is ENORMOUS. I suggest starting very simple and then adding layers to your knowledge base and trades.

  101. npanciroli says:

    Couple things I am scared of since Playoffs are now basically out of reach.

    Deployment wise (this is more until coaching change happens):
    Slepyshev never gets a proper shot with a real center for more than a half a game.
    They never try Puljujarvi in Letestu’s spot (PP).
    They continue to trot out Letestu 5v5 endlessly.
    PK continues as is.

    Trade wise:
    Slepyshev gets traded, turns into 20 goal scorer. (related to one above)
    Nuge traded and we lose the trade.
    Klefbom gets traded and we lose the trade.

  102. Derek says:

    jtblack:
    Derek,

    Felt Bad for my first response. Here is the simpliest Investing advice I can give you.

    1) Get an account right away. doesnt matter where, just get one ( TD WEBROKER I use, Ameritrade.etc)
    2) Stsrt Investing REAL $$ Today. If you have $100k, start very small, maybe set aside $5k to begin with. Start buyjng blue chip, simple stocks with REAL MONEY.
    3) Read a simple “Investing for Idiots” book.This will help you get started
    4) Do Not try for homeruns.Invest a smalll amount to Learn
    5)Join am investing group. This will be a good start
    6) As you get more comfortable you can try penny stocks, FOREX, shorting, etc etc etc.

    The Investing Landscspe is ENORMOUS. I suggest starting very simple and then adding layers to your knowledge base and trades.

    Think nothing of it, I felt kind of gross about selfishly canvassing a community of smart people for their hard earned knowledge. Thank you for your insight.

  103. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    OilClog:
    What does the coach mean he doesn’t know what to do with the PK? Stop running the damn I formation! Ramp up the pressure, stop playing this damn passive lane system, having guys ring it up the boards only to never have a winger in place to disrupt the defender so the puck gets out! It’s really simple coach, try something new! God damn stubborn shit, players never being in the right place is a system error not an effort error coach!

    This pretty much sums things up for me. Excellent description of what we are seeing on ice. There is the off game where we impose our will on the opposition but it happens infrequently because the system always put us at a disadvantage. Am I missing something here? Isn’t this obvious to everyone watching these games?

  104. dernf says:

    Derek,

    Read these books and visit Personal Finance Canada sub-reddit.

    The Wealthy Barber Returns

    The Millionaire Teacher

    The Value of Simple

    Godspeed!

  105. dernf says:

    OilClog,

    Aren’t they running the wedge+1 system? Seems to work fine for other squads. WoodGuy55 had some good thoughts on the formation the oil use on his twitter feed recently.

    Looks more like problems with the execution of the system than the system itself. Keep in mind I have no idea what I’m talking about.

  106. Bag of Pucks says:

    Derek,

    Derek, the advice I would offer is to focus your investing in industries or niches where you have a lot of personal knowledge or interest, and curry insider contacts as appropriate and legal within those industries.

    Value is not only the intrinsic value of the underlying company, it is also the perceived value within the marketplace. The latter is particularly important to keep in mind because it speaks to how easy it is to manipulate public perceptions in the short term AND how public perceptions can drive demand/prices for an entire industry even when the underlying metrics do not justify said demand/prices. There’s an ongoing debate that rages within investment circles as to whether true ‘value investing’ is still relevant, and this idea of perception/manipulation goes to the root of that debate.

    Right now, it really doesn’t matter that neither the price of bitcoin or the top marijuana stocks cannot be justified by the underlying fundamentals. When the market decides to push a wave, you might as well ride it and enjoy the short term gains. Just be sure to get out before the disappointing earning statements start to come back and reality comes calling to correct the hype. Hardest thing in the world to sell when everyone else is still buying, but that’s the task!

    The key as always is set an exposure level you’re comfortable at, get in early (this is where the bulk of your gains are realized) and discipline yourself emotionally to stick to your plan. This latter point I think is where most personal investors fail. They get caught up in the hype and buy too high when everyone else is buying and similarly they’re dumping out when prices are correcting and they should be theoretically acquiring more shares at bargain prices.

    When Johnson and Johnson shares were tanking over the fallout from the poison tylenol murders, Warren Buffet saw opportunity where others saw risk. He know J&J was still a fundamentally solid company and that secure labels on pill bottles was an easy and viable fix. So he bought a ton of blue chip stock at bargain prices when people were dying and the stock price was tanking. That’s the kind of emotional dis-investment and business acumen it takes to be one of the great investors of all time.

  107. LMHF#1 says:

    Derek,

    Learn anything and everything you can about options trading. Making 100% on your investment in 8 minutes of trading time without risking anything more than the investment is not only rewarding – it’s fun.

    Once you understand it, do it in areas you’re familiar with as others have stated. Also investigate ETFs extensively.

    If you knew what you were doing and were investing in only the DIA ETF via options this year (nevermind cryptocurrency, marijuana or anything like that) – you could have an entire retirement fund set aside. Will you always win? No. But is there opportunity? You bet. And it isn’t near as complicated as people make it seem.

  108. JD_Wry says:

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    The Oilers are working on their penalty kill at this morning’s practice.

    And I’d bet that it looks good against this PP.

  109. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    JD_Wry:
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    The Oilers are working on their penalty kill at this morning’s practice.

    And I’d bet that it looks good against this PP.

    Maybe that’s what’s wrong with the PP, they are practicing too much on not making their PK units look bad.

  110. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Gret99zky: Nice.

    If your going to the gym to lose a few pounds and get healthy, don’t go in right away.And not at your current weight.

    Gain another 30 lbs of fat and then go in.

    This will justify the gym membership and make the workouts more meaningful.

    😉

    If you can’t beat them on the scoreboard beat them at the draft!

  111. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oilman99:
    OriginalPouzar,

    There is no guarantee they will have a top pick left the way PC operates. Their only hope is if upper management puts a stop to any desparate trades involving picks.

    I can’t see our GM selling off futures for immediate help at this point. That ship has sailed and I can’t believe that Chiarelli would make such a move.

    I could see him being stubborn and not selling but I can’t imagine him buying short term help at the cost of futures.

  112. Reggie Dunlop says:

    OilClog,

    Amen brother!

    For the love of Hockey Gods play the box & put some pressure on, worst case scenario if they get beat 1 on 1 Talbot has one less guy to look through.

    If you want to get your big guns more ice time don’t put them on the penalty kill, set up your lines so you can run some Glen Sather double shifts.

    The power play, oh boy. It’s a showcase of low percentage passes made to guys with cement feet, short perimeter passes that do not move bodies, catch me if you can rushes, bad angle shots and nobody home on the point.

    “Reg… Reg, that reminds me, I was coaching in Omaha in 1948 and Eddie Shore sends me this guy who’s a terrible masturbator. Couldn’t control himself. He would get deliberate penalties so he could get all by himself in the penalty box, and damned if he wouldn’t, you know… “

  113. 106 and 106 says:

    JD_Wry,

    LT,

    If you are running out of article ideas, can you please do an article (here or The Athletic, not picky!) on the “L” penalty kill.

    This is on the same level as the “swarm” level of dysfunction. It’s baffling why it is still the go-to – is the box really that bad?

  114. Scungilli Slushy says:

    OriginalPouzar: I can’t see our GM selling off futures for immediate help at this point.That ship has sailed and I can’t believe that Chiarelli would make such a move.

    I could see him being stubborn and not selling but I can’t imagine him buying short term help at the cost of futures.

    Also bigger trades aren’t as common at this point in the season, unless with another team out of the picture, still more a summer thing. Chiarelli is a good bargain hunter, not so good so far with big ticket items.

    So the bright side is an opportunity to get assets for players that they don’t want to return, which wouldn’t happen otherwise.

  115. Derek says:

    Thank you all for the suggestions, I’ve got plenty of reading to do. Hopefully its not as painful as watching an Edmonton PK.

    Cheers!

  116. OilClog says:

    dernf:
    OilClog,

    Aren’t they running the wedge+1 system? Seems to work fine for other squads. WoodGuy55 had some good thoughts on the formation the oil use on his twitter feed recently.

    Looks more like problems with the execution of the system than the system itself. Keep in mind I have no idea what I’m talking about.

    Wedge+1 is pretty much I formation, they plan their PK like they’re playing against their PP. book is out on this teams special systems. Large Box with high pressure would give Talbs a fighting chance, right now he’s being swarmed lol.

    There’s just too many odd ball safety first shit with the club to call it execution anymore, the constant flipping the puck into area where there’s no teammate only to defend another rush with a half line change, resulting into an odd man rush.. these systems are based around scared babies and a whole lotta vomit.

    The game has passed this coaching group by the way Crawford went from cup winner to a distant memory as a head coach.

  117. hunter1909 says:

    Hunter1909 Death March Update:

    To see where you’re predictions add up next to your fellow fans, go to:

    http://www.oilersdeathmarch.com

    Looks like 2017-18 is going to be another great Oilers Death March!

  118. BONE207 says:

    Jethro Tull:
    As I’ve said, goal scoring is a tangible skill. You can harp on about guys having good games. Let me tell you, I’ve played sport semi-pro. Different sport but same message – when you keep losing like this, nobody has good games.

    The aim of the game is to score goals – it’s a process that can be analyzed, and has been.So is hitting a nail into a 2×4. We can analyze a person’s technique with the hammer, their accuracy at hitting the nail, the number of times a nail has successfully been hit into said 2×4. Whether the person is good in the shed, etc. But if something is missing from the process, such as the nail, then the aim will never be met.

    And here’s my point; scoring the goal is the very last step of the process. Because of this, people seem to have a psychological blind spot to when it doesn’t happen, is in “he was unlucky”, “goalie pulled off a wonder save,” etc. We justify them not sxoring to something other than them not doing it.We already have verbal from Maroon that earlier in the season he was blase, not concentrating on really scoring that goal. I think this still plagues this team, only now it’s starting to burrow into the brain like Khan’s big earwigs.

    Anybody wondering why back up goalies look like Jonathon Quick against us?Having awesome 5×5 numbers mean nothing if you can’t bash a nail in a 2×4.

    Jethro…I’m with you.
    I’ve always thought that hard work can overcome talent alone. Hard working talent is nearly impossible but you can at least keep things close. This team doesn’t come out with focus, doesn’t work nearly hard enough/smart enough and caves too easily. If they at least worked hard, TMac could at least assess his system to adjust as long as he isn’t as stubborn as we think.

  119. Gerta Rauss says:

    hunter1909,

    thanks for the hard work Hunter-I was hoping for a copy/paste of the entrants, and full website with archives really goes above and beyond

    *the WW2 era photos are a nice touch..:)

    **I left you a modest donation, buy yourself a pint on me

  120. Richard S.S. says:

    Hendricks was very slow and not that offensive-minded, but acceptable on the PK. However he was not that good off the PK. Pouliot skated well enough, was offensively-minded, functioned well on the PK. His problem was bad plays at the wrong time.

    McDavid and Puljujarvi need someone younger, better, faster. stronger and more skilled than Maroon and Lucic. That person will be expensive to obtain and expensive to retain. If you can’t do the Job, stay off McDavid’s line. When you have that accomplished, work on Draisaitl’s line. He needs people who fit. People who can play with him. Doing this might make it too costly to keep Nuge., but he’s not the Face-Of-The-Franchise.

  121. Woogie63 says:

    What makes a great PKer?

    Long, active hockey stick
    Quick first 2 steps
    Willing to occupy the shooting lane
    Trust your players you can’t see to be in the right position
    Body position to box out

    I would select;

    Forwards – Drake, JJ, JP, Nuge and Zach
    Defense – Darnell, Adam, Rej, Kris

    ————–

    Connor and Leon are offense first guys and Mark has not been effective all year

  122. hunter1909 says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    hunter1909,

    thanks for the hard work Hunter-I was hoping for a copy/paste of the entrants, and full website with archives really goes above and beyond

    *the WW2 era photos are a nice touch..:)

    **I left you a modest donation, buy yourself a pint on me

    Thank you so much.

    We’re trying to develop the site further. Maybe put in a chat or message feature, or even some form of analytics but right now it’s just a matter of having it up and feeling out the next move.

  123. dustrock says:

    Woogie63:
    What makes a great PKer?

    Long, active hockey stick
    Quick first 2 steps
    Willing to occupy the shooting lane
    Trust your players you can’t see to be in the right position
    Body position to box out

    I would select;

    Forwards – Drake, JJ, JP, Nuge and Zach
    Defense – Darnell, Adam, Rej, Kris

    ————–

    Connor and Leon are offense first guys and Mark has not been effective all year

    I get the rationale. I seem to recall Bruce McCurdy looking at Drake’s PK numbers and they were atrocious. Like, atrocious even for the Oilers.

  124. Gerta Rauss says:

    hunter1909,

    With the current trajectory of this organization, the Death March has a bright future..!

  125. OriginalPouzar says:

    106 and 106:
    JD_Wry,

    LT,

    If you are running out of article ideas, can you please do an article (here or The Athletic, not picky!) on the “L” penalty kill.

    This is on the same level as the “swarm” level of dysfunction. It’s baffling why it is still the go-to – is the box really that bad?

    CAR PK in “L formation” – its a good PK:

    https://twitter.com/Woodguy55/status/948589639819960320

  126. OmJo says:

    BONE207: I’ve always thought that hard work can overcome talent alone.

    The Vegas Golden Knights are an excellent example of this.

  127. OriginalPouzar says:

    Woogie63:
    What makes a great PKer?

    Long, active hockey stick
    Quick first 2 steps
    Willing to occupy the shooting lane
    Trust your players you can’t see to be in the right position
    Body position to box out

    I would select;

    Forwards – Drake, JJ, JP, Nuge and Zach
    Defense – Darnell, Adam, Rej, Kris

    ————–

    Connor and Leon are offense first guys and Mark has not been effective all year

    I think Drake has been the worst of them all on the PK.

  128. JD_Wry says:

    Maroon gets two.

  129. OriginalPouzar says:

    The right call.

  130. JD_Wry says:

    I could have lived with a much slimmer number.

  131. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Keep thinking that would have been a different game if Jesse had not missed that wide open cage in the 2nd. 1-1 going into the 3rd, no Maroon stupidity.

    When your team confidence is fragile the tough breaks are so hard to overcome.

    I hope last night’s game does not result in major moves. That would be the wrong thing to do.

    Focus on the PK, yes. But also focus on building up the young bucks’ confidence.

  132. Woogie63 says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Dustrock said basically the same thing, I agree;

    One of my thoughts on Drake is the coaches need to simplify his games … he came to us a “hard nose, quick winger”

    Who we have played at center, 4 LW, 1 RW, 2RW, PP2 and PK1 …. Drake might be a swiss army knife by the time his career done, but not now. I would like the coach to find a more specific role for the young man

    Drake you are the 4LW, who takes the body, forechecks like a demon. You will play PK2 at the top of the triangle so we can use your speed to take away time and space after the first pass. Now go do your role.

  133. unca miltie says:

    hunter1909,

    Thanks again for doing this, the site is wonderful. fun to see where every one is at..
    Can you put me down for 0-0 for the 2018 playoff season.

  134. Justthestatsman says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    The right call.

    I agree, it is the right call and I’m a bit surprised since Doughty ended up finishing the game, and Maroon missed the third period with the game misconduct. Often NHL discipline gets tied to whether the receiver is injured or not, regardless of the infraction. The true test will be if this becomes a consistent standard, and if the standard is also applied in the playoffs. I’m not holding my breath.

  135. JD_Wry says:

    hunter1909: Death March!

    Thanks Hunter!

    Wow, that JDI guy was waaaaaay off base with that prediction!

  136. jtblack says:

    hunter1909,

    Thx for doing that!

    Followed by 118 …. ?? 🙂

    Clearly the Lowetide’s were far too Optimistic …..

    Seems like more than half the ppl had this team finishing with Less points than last year ….. But hardly any predicted this Train Wreck!

  137. The Hermit says:

    hunter1909,

    Thank you Hunter site looks great!

  138. leadfarmer says:

    jtblack:
    hunter1909,

    Thx for doing that!

    Followed by 118 …. ?? 🙂

    Clearly the Lowetide’s were far too Optimistic …..

    Seems like more thanhalf the ppl had this team finishing with Less points than last year ….. But hardly any predicted this Train Wreck!

    Most people here are optimistic and want the team to succeed. Most people saw serious roster issues but still guessed a high number. Nothing wrong with that

  139. jake70 says:

    hunter1909:
    Hunter1909 Death March Update:

    Looks like 2017-18 is going to be another great Oilers Death March!

    Good stuff!

    You picked 118……lol……were you smirking when you chose that number or did you think they would get 118??

  140. jake70 says:

    I just saw the Maroon hit…..had turned the game off earlier………..my first reaction was Doughty sold that. Hmmm.

  141. hunter1909 says:

    jake70: Good stuff!

    You picked 118……lol……were you smirking when you chose that number or did you think they would get 118??

    That’s what’s great about the new http://www.oilersdeathmarch.com site – it lets people poke fingers at each other, but with mathematical justification.

  142. Pouzar says:

    “I don’t think that Ottawa has what I would call a concrete offer on Hoffman, but I know that they have at least one offer for future considerations – for draft pick, draft picks, or a prospect and draft picks. I’m assuming it’s coming from a Western Conference team. We’ve speculated on the interest from the St. Louis Blues. I believe that the Edmonton Oilers would have some interest.”

    –Dreger on TSN 1050

  143. JD_Wry says:

    Pouzar: –Dreger on TSN 1050

    Today on Mike Hoffman Mike Hoffman:

    Dreger blows smoke while Dorian fiddles.

  144. Jethro Tull says:

    Pouzar:
    “I don’t think that Ottawa has what I would call a concrete offer on Hoffman, but I know that they have at least one offer for future considerations – for draft pick, draft picks, or a prospect and draft picks. I’m assuming it’s coming from a Western Conference team. We’ve speculated on the interest from the St. Louis Blues. I believe that the Edmonton Oilers would have some interest.”

    –Dreger on TSN 1050

    We haven’t scored in 120mins of hockey at home. The best player in the world and his wingers. But I’ve learnt through this thread that they had great games. So what do we need with a guy who has scored at least 26 goals for the last 3 seasons? And we’re forgetting the maxim, “never trade anyone for anybody, ever.” Because, you know, that 2nd rounder might be Pavel Datsyuk, or something. THEN we’d look stupid.

  145. Munny says:

    hunter1909:
    Hunter1909 Death March Update:

    To see where you’re predictions add up next to your fellow fans, go to:

    http://www.oilersdeathmarch.com

    Looks like 2017-18 is going to be another great Oilers Death March!

    You rock, Hunter. Thank you!

  146. JD_Wry says:

    Jethro Tull: “never trade anyone for anybody, ever.”

    I would trade Pouzar from someone who can play some rock flute.

  147. hunter1909 says:

    jake70: Good stuff!

    You picked 118……lol……were you smirking when you chose that number or did you think they would get 118??

    Eventually we hope to be able to do analytics whereby the top thirty death march players over the many seasons listed on http://www.oilersdeathmarch.com can be stuck in an All-Time Order of Death March proficiency table.

  148. JimmyV1965 says:

    Dustylegnd:
    Durag,

    Kekalainen has been GM since February 2013 its now 2018…..pretty sure Howson had very little to do with the current prospects.

    </blockquo
    Actuaaly, the prospects drafted by K wouldn't be quite ready yet for the NHL. Guys playing for the team now would be from the previous regime.

  149. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    JimmyV1965,

    Kekalainen was the highly touted head scout for that organization during that time. They promoted him because of his excellent draft record while Howson was fired for the pathetic pro level performance of the team. Now, a few moves Howson made did turn out okay in hindsight, but he accomplished too little during his tenure.

  150. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Last season and this is Hoffman better than Maroon? Will Maroon cost over 5M? I bet we see Maroon back.

  151. Thinker says:

    Pouzar: “I don’t think that Ottawa has what I would call a concrete offer on Hoffman, but I know that they have at least one offer for future considerations – for draft pick, draft picks, or a prospect and draft picks. I’m assuming it’s coming from a Western Conference team. We’ve speculated on the interest from the St. Louis Blues. I believe that the Edmonton Oilers would have some interest.”
    –Dreger on TSN 1050

    Yamamoto and a third?

  152. Jethro Tull says:

    JD_Wry: I would trade Pouzar from someone who can play some rock flute.

    You make that trade. You make it 9 times out of ten. All day.

  153. OriginalPouzar says:

    Dillon Simpson puts the Condors up 1-0 as they shoot for .500.

  154. Surrey Oiler says:

    Pouzar:
    “I don’t think that Ottawa has what I would call a concrete offer on Hoffman, but I know that they have at least one offer for future considerations – for draft pick, draft picks, or a prospect and draft picks. I’m assuming it’s coming from a Western Conference team. We’ve speculated on the interest from the St. Louis Blues. I believe that the Edmonton Oilers would have some interest.”

    –Dreger on TSN 1050

    For Connor’s sake, get Hoffman for frank sakes Chia!

  155. Gerta Rauss says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Will Maroon cost over 5M?

    Probably not, but the term Maroon is going to want is what we should be concerned about

    *edit to add-I like the fact that Hoffman only has 2 years left on his deal.

  156. HenryDrix says:

    Penalty Killing is not rocket science.
    1. Limit HDSC through the following methods:
    Sound positioning/formation (base),
    Good sticks (in passing and shooting lanes),
    quick reactions (for loose pucks – errant passes, blocked shots and rebounds)
    High level of compete and focus (for contested pucks)
    2. Good goaltending (the skaters cannot prevent all HDSC when short handed)

    Have not looked at this L formation, but surely one or more of the above need to be drastically improved. The coach should be able to identify the problem no?

  157. Lowetide says:

    For the Athletic: Making the call on Oilers UFA and RFA at the deadline

    https://theathletic.com/201295/2018/01/03/lowetide-making-the-call-on-the-oilers-free-agents-to-be/

  158. Munny says:

    Derek:
    Thank you all for the suggestions, I’ve got plenty of reading to do.Hopefully its not as painful as watching an Edmonton PK.

    Cheers!

    Be careful with the advice you have received today. The educational encouragement is good, most of the rest should be disregarded. Bubblicious markets have a tendency to make everyone think they’re a genius.

    So in your educational travels, spend some time on market history, what has happened in the past. Learn what investments work best for the time frames you foresee for yourself (I’m guessing somewhere in the 30 year range).

    Learn how to diversify intelligently and remember that the bulk of your portfolio should be in places that are boring and safe. Have some fun money too, if playing the markets is interesting to you, but it is not essential. A portion allocated o physical gold is not a bad idea–this more like insurance than it is investment.

    Equity markets are not the only investment. You sound like a handy guy, so maybe you might want to think of a commercial property. CDs typically outperform equity markets over the long term and come with little of the risk and rollercoaster emotions. Sometimes dropping debt is smarter than buying investments. There are a ton of avenues and strategies.

    Hope this helps.

  159. Lloyd B. says:

    OmJo: The Vegas Golden Knights are an excellent example of this.

    I was at the game last night in Las Vegas. I wouldn’t say excellent example but would say a good example. Having your goalie play all Vezina is a better example of this.

  160. CrazyCoach says:

    Been looking at the PK and found out it’s called a Czech Press. It is reminiscent of a D-zone called “Box plus 1”

    I’ll post about it later this week.

  161. JD_Wry says:

    CrazyCoach: “Box plus 1”

    Is it not triangle + 1?

  162. Pescador says:

    JD_Wry: Thanks Hunter!

    Wow, that JDI guy was waaaaaay off base with that prediction!

    What an asshole, I wish he was here right now I’d have a few choice words for him.
    And trust me they would sting,

  163. Jethro Tull says:

    CrazyCoach:
    Been looking at the PK and found out it’s called a Czech Press.It is reminiscent of a D-zone called “Boxplus 1”

    I’ll post about it later this week.

    A “Czech Press” isn’t one of those things you should definitely not google before dinner is it?

  164. JD_Wry says:

    Pescador: What an asshole,

    Really. How fucking intarded do you have to be to pick 97 points?

    Fuck that guy. Seriously.

  165. JimmyV1965 says:

    I’m convinced the troubles with this team have more to do with the gray matter between their ears than their collective talent level or skill. They might not be the world beaters we thought they were, but they’re certainly not bottom feeders either. Do we know if the team has had a players only meeting or some kind of team bonding excursion? They should do some kind of quirky curse busting exercise, just to help the guys relax and put things in perspective. Maybe try to bring some humour to the situation.

  166. Gerta Rauss says:

    hunter1909,

    I see Original Pouzar 3 times on the Deathmarch tote board

    91,95 and 104 points

    Please notify the authorities

  167. JimmyV1965 says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    JimmyV1965,

    Kekalainen was the highly touted head scout for that organization during that time. They promoted him because of his excellent draft record while Howson was fired for the pathetic pro level performance of the team. Now, a few moves Howson made did turn out okay in hindsight, but he accomplished too little during his tenure.

    I wasnt defending Howson, just stating that the guys on the roster now are mostly from his days as GM. Just like Chia’s draft picks won’t make an impression for two more years.

  168. CrazyCoach says:

    JD_Wry: Is it not triangle + 1?

    Czech Press which is modelled after the Box plus 1.

    When it works it is effective.

    When it doesn’t…

    Well….

  169. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Munny,

    “Be careful with the advice you have received today. Most of it should be disregarded, now listen to me.”
    See the irony there?

    Now, I’m not going to tell Derek to disregard your advice. It comes from good intentions, so does everyone else’s, but we know what path good intentions are paved with.

    I actually agree with the first premise that a hockey website might not be the best place to seek vital financial advice. And I agree with your suggestion to read to educate yourself. But since he has come here and asked, I think it’s fine to oblige as you have, and others have done. It’s on him to take it all with a grain of salt, mine included. And I do not profess to know the magic key to successful investing.

    One thing to note is that there are always risks with investments. Always. Physical gold included. It might seem like insurance to some, but there are always unforeseen risks.

    Over the long run, slow and steady is safer, but you have to be able to ignore all the “what ifs” you will inevitably miss out on. It takes an iron will to ignore those things. I’d say a good part of good investing is getting the psychology of it–both market psychology and your own: what can you tolerate and what will crush you in terms or risk, losses and what you did not invest in that you kick yourself afterwards for not doing. How do you stay mentally healthy through that over the long run (if you invest in a strategy where you can sleep at night and don’t need to check the stock prices every day then you are holding on to your mental capital).

    One key to the education aspect is to consider investing in things you know and understand, whatever the asset class may be. Someone gave the Apple-Buffet example, an interesting one because Warren was VERY late to the Apple game. He was a steady buyer when Apple was a bit out of favour a couple of years ago…around $110 average. He’s still comfortably up 50%+. He knows railroads, insurance, fast food and soda, among other things. He studies.

    So if you are an oil man, maybe you know oil better than most–who has an edge, who is likely to be an also-ran. If you are a wood guy (or Woodguy) you know wood. If you are a video game aficionado, maybe you know what’s going to be a hit and what’s not. One of the best years I had of trading was when I saw the potential of the Nintendo Wii and DS both at the same time. I used to play and knew how much demand was out there for those platforms. Nintendo more than doubled that year (2007 if you are curious). But I don’t invest in pharmaceutical stocks, for example, because I don’t know anything about them. Do I miss out on a ton of good stuff? Absolutely, but I have no edge; in pharma I am a sheep going with the flock–so I stick to what I know.

    If you want to invest in pharma, learn about it. If you want to invest in energy, learn about it. If you want to invest in commercial property or gold, learn about it. Don’t just invest in it because of wanting to diversify—diversification sounds very nice in principle, but if you don’t know what you are investing in, then you are diversifying yourself into danger. You want to buy Apple stock now, up here, at least read into the things they are working on, know how much cash they have relative to their company value (hint–this is what first drew WB’s attention to them when it came to choosing when to invest), and so on and so forth.

    Yesterday I visited the shrine and grave of Shoin Yoshida (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoshida_Sh%C5%8Din), it is worth knowing who he is, by the way. Written there were the following words by him: “If you write one word each day, in a year you will have gained 360 words; if you waste one hour each night, at the age of 100 you will have wasted 36,000 hours.”

    One hour of study a day–it’s something we all ought to do. I am going to start with that myself. Imagine the possibilities of what I could learn.

  170. JD_Wry says:

    CrazyCoach: When it doesn’t…

    Swarm?

    Chop water?

    Call your agent and bitch about escrow?

    Have your PR agent handle the fallout from the pics of your Halloween costume?

  171. Lloyd B. says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker),

    Munny!! This is the best advice you will get all day on investing. Pay heed!!

  172. Pescador says:

    JD_Wry: Really. How fucking intarded do you have to be to pick 97 points?

    Fuck that guy. Seriously.

    Really?
    I picked 97 points!
    wait a second..

  173. Professor Q says:

    Pescador: Really?
    I picked 97 points!
    wait asecond..

    As did I. Don’t worry about it.

  174. Pescador says:

    CrazyCoach: Czech Press which is modelled after the Box plus 1.

    When it works it is effective.

    When it doesn’t…

    Well….

    Switch to the French one

  175. Lloyd B. says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker),

    I have an Aunt who is extremely successful. And her family.

    Here is the advice she and her family lives by. She passed this Pearl of wisdom to me many years ago.

    What you do from 9-5 … is what you do.

    What you do from 5-9 … is who you are.

  176. Pescador says:

    JD_Wry: Is it not triangle + 1?

    That would be a diamond, everyone knows that

  177. JD_Wry says:

    Pescador: everyone

    Shine on.

  178. hunter1909 says:

    Gerta Rauss,

    Thank you for your interest.

    If you have a query, please contact the website HERE: http://www.oilersdeathmarch.com

    Thank you for your cooperation.

  179. Lowetide says:

    Tyler Benson making a material difference in Edmonton, scoring the first Giants goal.Currently 2-0 over the Oil Kings.

  180. OriginalPouzar says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    hunter1909,

    I see Original Pouzar 3 times on the Deathmarch tote board

    91,95 and 104 points

    Please notify the authorities

    All three are wrong – I only ever picked 93 points.

  181. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lowetide:
    Tyler Benson making a material difference in Edmonton, scoring the first Giants goal.Currently 2-0 over the Oil Kings.

    He is a substantial prospect.

  182. JD_Wry says:

    OriginalPouzar: All three are wrong – I only ever picked 93 points.

    Wait – I found this at the bottom of the last page:

    Oilers Death March

    Powered By Diebold

  183. Pescador says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    hunter1909,

    I see Original Pouzar 3 times on the Deathmarch tote board

    91,95 and 104 points

    Please notify the authorities

    There are at least 4 posters on this site named Original Pouzar

  184. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    So Chicago has excess righty D. Playing two righties on the same pairing, including Conor Murphy, whom they got from Arizona in the Hjalmarsson trade.

    I wonder if the Oilers can make a minor swap of lefty D for righty D with them?

    They like and use Oesterle already.
    I like Davey but would anyone consider swapping him for Murphy? Would Chicago decline? What else might work?

  185. OmJo says:

    Pescador: There are at least 4 posters on this site named Original Pouzar

    Will the real Original Pouzar please stand up?

  186. Scungilli Slushy says:

    OriginalPouzar: He is a substantial prospect.

    He is a substantially material violent prospect.

  187. hunter1909 says:

    OriginalPouzar: All three are wrong – I only ever picked 93 points.

    You’re down at both 93 points and also 95 points. Taken back in the day before automatic registration policing at the website became mandatory for the upcoming Emergency!! Death March 2.0 contest that’s just opened up taking entries at http://www.oilersdeathmarch.com

    The current 2017-18 Death March is still in force, but with the current state of the team looking at declaring Yeti the 2017-18 champion gets nearer with every Oilers loss. Prizes will be distributed among the winners, as soon as they’re verified.

    The New Emergency Death March Contest(2.0) offers everyone the chance to re-enter their latest and greatest predictions for the Oilers end of season point total. Prizes for the winners. The Book on this Contest will remain open for the foreseeable future; and is expected to close at a yet to be determined date in mid-February.

    Aside from Yeti, every single Death March 2017-18 player has clearly got their predictions wrong. Emergency Death March 2.0 gives everyone the chance to re-examine their motives, where they think the Oilers are headed before making their decision on exactly how many points the Oilers will end up with at the end of the season.

    Good luck to everyone from the Emergency Death March team.

  188. rope-a-dope says:

    https://www.tsn.ca/video/ferraro-what-if-there-s-a-deal-to-be-made-nugent-hopkins-for-pacioretty~1295960

    Ferraro suggesting Nuge for Pacioretty + pieces. Wild speculation purely. Patches would be a great buy-low option however not at the cost of Nuge. Would love to do that for picks/prospects or perhaps Patrick Maroon after last night’s shenanigans. More importantly don’t think you’d be sending the right message by shipping out a consistent forward like Nuge for a guy mired in funk.

  189. hunter1909 says:

    rope-a-dope:
    https://www.tsn.ca/video/ferraro-what-if-there-s-a-deal-to-be-made-nugent-hopkins-for-pacioretty~1295960

    Ferraro suggesting Nuge for Pacioretty + pieces. Wild speculation purely. Patches would be a great buy-low option however not at the cost of Nuge. Would love to do that for picks/prospects or perhaps Patrick Maroon after last night’s shenanigans. More importantly don’t think you’d be sending the right message by shipping out a consistent forward like Nuge for a guy mired in funk.

    It’s the Vincent Damphousse trade all over again. Edmonton loses another great piece for someone else’s washed up former star player with issues etc.

    Montreal management runs down AutoRoute 40 screaming naked for this deal.

  190. OriginalPouzar says:

    OmJo: Will the real Original Pouzar please stand up?

    93 points baby!

  191. OriginalPouzar says:

    rope-a-dope:
    https://www.tsn.ca/video/ferraro-what-if-there-s-a-deal-to-be-made-nugent-hopkins-for-pacioretty~1295960

    Ferraro suggesting Nuge for Pacioretty + pieces. Wild speculation purely. Patches would be a great buy-low option however not at the cost of Nuge. Would love to do that for picks/prospects or perhaps Patrick Maroon after last night’s shenanigans. More importantly don’t think you’d be sending the right message by shipping out a consistent forward like Nuge for a guy mired in funk.

    The term “buy low” does not jive with the name “Nugent Hopkins” unless we are buying low on Erik Karlsson or Drew Doughty (or the like).

  192. OriginalPouzar says:

    Condors blow up in the third:

    The Simpson (Gust, Currie) goal is followed up by goals by:

    Rattie (Currie, LaLeggia)
    Pakarinan (Bear, Rattie – PP)
    Mantha (EN, SH)

  193. Pescador says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Huzzahh!
    They are back to material.500

  194. leadfarmer says:

    rope-a-dope:
    https://www.tsn.ca/video/ferraro-what-if-there-s-a-deal-to-be-made-nugent-hopkins-for-pacioretty~1295960

    Ferraro suggesting Nuge for Pacioretty + pieces. Wild speculation purely. Patches would be a great buy-low option however not at the cost of Nuge. Would love to do that for picks/prospects or perhaps Patrick Maroon after last night’s shenanigans. More importantly don’t think you’d be sending the right message by shipping out a consistent forward like Nuge for a guy mired in funk.

    Pick Canadian team.
    Choose good player that’s struggling
    Find another Canadian team
    Choose a player.
    Put a few words in for good measure
    Profit.

    Leadfarmer should be an insider
    Oscar Klefbom with a pipe in the library.
    Wait wrong one.

  195. Pescador says:

    hunter1909: You’re down at both 93 points and also 95 points. Taken back in the day before automatic registration policing at the website became mandatory for the upcoming Emergency!! Death March 2.0 contestthat’s just opened up taking entries at http://www.oilersdeathmarch.com

    The current 2017-18 Death March is still in force, but with the current state of the team looking at declaring Yeti the 2017-18 champion gets nearer with every Oilers loss. Prizes will be distributed among the winners, as soon as they’re verified.

    The New Emergency Death March Contest(2.0) offers everyone the chance to re-enter their latest and greatest predictions for the Oilers end of season point total. Prizes for the winners. The Book on this Contest will remain open for the foreseeable future; and is expected to close at a yet to be determined date in mid-February.

    Aside from Yeti, every single Death March 2017-18 player has clearly got their predictions wrong. Emergency Death March 2.0 gives everyone the chance to re-examine their motives, where they think the Oilers are headed before making their decision on exactly how many points the Oilers will end up with at the end of the season.

    Good luck to everyone from the Emergency Death March team.

    Damn you Yeti!
    Lookit what you’ve done

  196. rope-a-dope says:

    hunter1909: It’s the Vincent Damphousse trade all over again. Edmonton loses another great piece for someone else’s washed up former star player with issues etc.

    Montreal management runs down AutoRoute 40 screaming naked for this deal.

    1 for 1, I agree completely with you. If it’s something like Nuge for Patches, a center prospect and picks, it might work. And that might be a fair trade considering age difference and the center/wing value thing.

  197. VOR says:

    Thinking About the Draft – Part Five – Indidual Team Success. Part 1.

    What every team wants is to be more successful than its competitors.

    The odd thing is that this would be remarkably easy to do. But just like shooting free throws underhand, just because it works better doesn’t mean anyone will do it.

    The key is to stop worrying about ranking talent and start worrying about turning what talent you do identify into actual NHL players.

    Step 1. Create a robust development system. It needs to be exceedingly patient. It needs to award ice time on the basis of results. It needs to avoid blocking prospects from ice time by having a bunch of veteran AHLers eating ice time. Every player in your system should still have a legitimate chance to play in the NHL. Veterans should be NHL ready and be good role models, mentors, teachers, and coaches.

    The same teams that have the best development programs have over the years the best draft success. It is as simple as that. Why this is hard for NHL GMs to figure out is beyond me but a remarkable number are utterly clueless judging by the current state of NHL development programs.

  198. Pescador says:

    Lloyd B.:
    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker),

    I have an Aunt who is extremely successful. And her family.

    Here is the advice she and her family lives by.She passed this Pearl of wisdom to me many years ago.

    What you do from 9-5 … is what you do.

    What you do from 5-9 … is who you are.

    What you do from 9-5…handsome, successful jock.
    What you do from 5-9…overweight, creepy internet guy.
    Really puts everything into perspective,
    Thank your aunt Pearl for me

  199. Melman says:

    What also seems forgotten in PC’s moves was not keeping Pitlick. He’s having a nice season in Dallas. A RW with size who can skate and has a heavy shot would be useful for this team. I realize he was free to walk, but I suspect he would have stayed for the same contract here

  200. Wilde says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    If we’re searching for silver linings, the dearth of NHL forward prospects currently in Bakersfield plays into the 20 year old seasons of the 2017 wingers and the 22 year old seasons of the 2015 D lining up. Would be really nice to put a winning club down there. As it stands, that forward corps is ghastly.

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