The dark end of the street

The last time the Edmonton Oilers scored a goal, we had plenty of turkey in the house and the city was enjoying some time with family over the holidays. A pair of 5-0 losses and a post-Christmas record of 0-3-1 leave the rest of the schedule as part curio and part funeral march. This grind toward spring is going to get nasty.

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THE X FILES, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • January 2016: 1-0-0, goal differential 0
  • January 2017: 0-1-0, goal differential -2
  • January 2018: 0-1-0, goal differential -5

January needs to be a strong month for the Oilers, unless getting a slightly better lottery chance is the goal. I can’t imagine that idea sitting well with the organization but there may not be much choice. This is dire now. This is Brooks at the halfway house.

AFTER 40, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers 15-16: 16-21-3, goal differential -24 (35 points)
  • Oilers 16-17: 20-13-7, goal differential +9 (47 points)
  • Oilers 17-18: 17-20-3, goal differential -16 (37 points)

This year’s team is a mere two points better than the 15-16 edition and 10 points behind last season’s pace. The goal differential was -6 just two games ago. If we’re honest, this team is approaching coach killer indifference based on results. Who knows what lies within a man? The results are the thing and they are not good.

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM JANUARY

  • At home to: Los Angeles, Anaheim (Expected 0-1-1) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • On the road to: Dallas, Chicago, Nashville, Arizona, Vegas (Expected 2-2-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Vancouver, Buffalo, Calgary (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 4-4-2, 10 points in 10 games
  • Current results: 0-1-0, zero points in one game

I have this team grabbing 10 points, the Oilers need 14 to stay in the race. One night isn’t the matter, but that 0-3-1 record after Christmas is bullet hits the bone.

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

  • Sekera-Russell were 16-12 together in 13:00, 0-1 GF. Went 14-3 with McDavid, 8-3 against Clifford-Lewis-Shore. Pairing was 2-6 against Pearson-Kopitar-Brown, and that in 4:21. McLellan’s usage of his defense against the Kopitar line is the most interesting thing (for me) about last night’s game. Russell’s pinch of sin and a struggling fourth line were the culprits on the first goal, the only one worth discussing in my opinion (the third period power play made the rest of this game moot).
  • Nurse-Larsson were 12-14 in 13:30 together, they did not score and did not give up a goal (this is all 5×5). Pairing went 6-4 in 6:04 against Pearson-Kopitar-Brown.
  • Klefbom-Davidson were 12-12 in 10:07 (third pair in usage), 0-1 in GF. Were 7-3 in five minutes against Gaborik-Kempe-Toffoli, 3-5 in 3:10 against Kopitar. Definitely the third pairing.
  • Cam Talbot stopped 28 of 33, .848.
  • NaturalStatTrick and NHL.com.

FORWARDS, LAST NIGHT

  • Maroon-McDavid-Puljujarvi looked fabulous to my eye, McLellan tiring of Lucic’s inability to get those pucks on and in the net. Maroon is probably going to skip a few games here (has a hearing) but I’d keep this trio running through January. McDavid was 10-9 in seven minutes against Doughty, 1-6 in three minutes against Kopitar.
  • Lucic-Nuge-Cammalleri were 7-8 together, I’d like a RW who can scoot. Were 6-5 against the Gaborik-Kempe-Toffoli line.
  • Khaira-Draisaitl-Strome were 11-10 on the night, Caggiula chimed in for a time on that line as well. McLellan mentioned right at the end of the media avail that they had higher expectations of Leon and that was true for the entire team. Disappointing run for Draisaitl post-Christmas, for me the big man had delivered quality play until that point in the year.
  • Caggiula-Letestu-Kassian keep getting burned for 5×5 GA, this time it was a pinch by Russell and jailbreak the other way. Who knows what changes we’re likely to see by Anaheim game, I’d tweak this line.

The game had its share of belligerence from both sides and for me sending messages is part of the game. McDavid took some significant slashes and at least two tumbles, I have no objection to some whacks and a shot across the bow. The hit, no matter the intent, appeared to get the head (more shoulder than elbow) and that’s five and a game. The hearing suggests there could be another game or two coming.

ALL HOPE IS NOT LOST

There can be good things in a losing season. The Montreal Expos won 75 games in 1977, but figured out their batting order and finished off the youthful outfield, while the young pitchers pushed up from the farm (and would arrive in 1978 and 1979).

Jesse Puljujarvi looks like a young man who has figured things out, Jujhar Khaira is playing regularly and we’ll see about the others.

Peter Chiarelli’s big trades have been searing in assets out but the smaller deals often bring real help. That’s the play here. PC has basically been quiet during this season (he’s the first Oilers general manager who doesn’t like a microphone) and he’s going to need to make a move to save his coach. If that doesn’t fit with the Katz plan, then the owner will have to step in. You can’t fire 23 players and right now this group looks lost in the supermarket.

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  1. OriginalPouzar says:

    Melman:
    What also seems forgotten in PC’s moves was not keeping Pitlick. He’s having a nice season in Dallas.A RW with size who can skate and has a heavy shot would be useful for this team.

    Although it might work out – the 3 year term contact that DAL offered Pitlick was off the charts.

    When Dallas was in town, Pitlick was interviewed and stated that he was just hoping to get a one-way contact, he couldn’t believe he was offered a 3-year term and had to jump at it ASAP.

  2. Centre of attention says:

    It appears some “fans” thought it was cool to threaten Maroons fiance’ with violence as well as throw insults after that dumb penalty he took.

    There must be something seriously wrong with you for you to seek out peoples families and threaten them with violence simply because of a game. A game. A fucking game. Grow up. I’m absolutely disgusted right now.

    The “fans” of this city deserve this garbage fire.

    Good night.

  3. hunter1909 says:

    VOR:
    Thinking About the Draft – Part Five – Indidual Team Success. Part 1.

    What every team wants is to be more successful than its competitors.

    The odd thing is that this would be remarkably easy to do. But just like shooting free throws underhand, just because it works better doesn’t mean anyone will do it.

    The key is to stop worrying about ranking talent and start worrying about turning what talent you do identify into actual NHL players.

    Step 1. Create a robust development system. It needs to be exceedingly patient. It needs to award ice time on the basis of results. It needs to avoid blocking prospects from ice time by having a bunch of veteran AHLers eating ice time. Every player in your system should still have a legitimate chance to play in the NHL. Veterans should be NHL ready and be good role models, mentors, teachers, and coaches.

    The same teams that have the best development programs have over the years the best draft success. It is as simple as that. Why this is hard for NHL GMs to figure out is beyond me but a remarkable number are utterly clueless judging by the current state of NHL development programs.

    In case your new position allows you some access please feel free to email us at the Hunter 1909 Death March; everything you say is guaranteed to be treated, unless otherwise clearly authorized, without any further comment from: http://www.oilersdeathmarch.com

  4. flyfish1168 says:

    Mcdavid, Draisatil, Nuge and Nurse in my books should be the cornerstones of this team. Ferraro hates the Oilers. Nuge for Pacioretty and pieces is ridiculous. We are leaking skill for some else has been. No thanks

  5. flyfish1168 says:

    Centre of attention:
    It appears some “fans” thought it was cool to threaten Maroons fiance’ with violence as well as throw insults after that dumb penalty he took.

    There must be something seriously wrong with you for you to seek out peoples families and threaten them with violence simply because of a game. A game. A fucking game. Grow up. I’m absolutely disgusted right now.

    The “fans” of this city deserve this garbage fire.

    Good night.

    +1

  6. Centre of attention says:

    To be clear, my post was not directed at anyone at this forum. How ever, if you do know anyone who may have been involved in this nonsense, please give them a stiff slap upside the head.

  7. HT Joe says:

    Centre of attention:
    It appears some “fans” thought it was cool to threaten Maroons fiance’ with violence as well as throw insults after that dumb penalty he took.

    Source? Please and thanks!

  8. JimmyV1965 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Although it might work out – the 3 year term contact that DAL offered Pitlick was off the charts.

    When Dallas was in town, Pitlick was interviewed and stated that he was just hoping to get a one-way contact, he couldn’t believe he was offered a 3-year term and had to jump at it ASAP.

    The beauty of the deal for Dallas is they can send Pitlick to the minors and virtually his entire contract is wiped off their cap. Same thing with injury. It might cost them money, but it’s 100% cap protected.

  9. JimmyV1965 says:

    flyfish1168:
    Mcdavid, Draisatil, Nuge and Nurse in my books should be the cornerstones of this team. Ferraro hates the Oilers. Nuge for Pacioretty and pieces is ridiculous. We are leaking skill for some else has been. No thanks

    I’m just waiting for the day we trade someone like Maroon or Lucic or Kassian or Letestu and pieces for the materially better player.

  10. VOR says:

    Thinking About the Draft 5 Individual Team Success – Part 2

    Step Two – Don’t draft players who you can’t offer a genuine opportunity to over a 5 year window.
    Step Three – Ignore draft order in providing opportunity to your prospects.
    Step Four – Develop systems for providing equal opportunity to each prospect.

    This is a bit counterintuitive. But the evidence is very strong that opportunity matters. Teams that provide repeated NHL at bats to a large number of prospects end up getting better draft outcomes.

    What do most NHL teams do? They provide many, many NHL at bats to first rounders and nearly none to late round draft choices. Then they wonder why they don’t ever find later round draft gems. They compound this by channel stuffing. They will draft three left D when they have ten left D in their system.

    The idea is you can trade the excess for pieces they need. But the trade value of their assets is weakened because they don’t have enough ice time to maximize all the left D as prospects.

    Bluntly, the Oilers don’t need more left D, even if they are superstars. Because they won’t get the opportunity to play on the Oilers.

  11. OriginalPouzar says:

    Benson adds a goal in the shootout to his first period goal.

  12. VOR says:

    Thinking About the Draft 5 Individual Team Success Part 3.

    Step 5 – only draft players that fit your team culture.

    Step 6. Only draft players who broaden your teams psychological profile and communication skills.

    Fit is hard to quantify but it matters, a lot.

    Pick your poison, let’s say you use the Meyers Briggs Personality Profile. You want the players you draft to be compatible with your current players but have psychological strengths your current players typically lack. Imagine the Oilers for years had been drafting compatible players who also had a strength in dealing with adversity.

  13. oilersfan says:

    What would you smart people here think about firing Mclellland and hiring Darryl Sutter?

    He sounds un intelligent when he talks but has an elite coaching record. Career coaching record around .580 if I did the math right. Winning 40% more games than losing is pretty elite imo.

    He seems to be able to get the most out of his teams, assesses nhl taken well, and has good systems that win in the nhl

    I would do it.

    In fact if he took over the oilers right now it would closely mirror when he took over for the kings his first year there.

    Again, I would do it.

    I bet he had a top five PK every year, too! 🤓

  14. VOR says:

    Thinking About the Draft 5 Individual Team Success Part 4.

    Step 7. Only draft players from cradles of eminence.

    I have already pointed out that some leagues and some coaches produce NHL players far more often than the “average” rate.

    Why not use that?

    Step 8. Use pre-screening.

    For example, there is the so called locker problem. There are no where near enough US college scholarships for all the talented players in the US Development program and the USHL. So players already recruited by top end college programs are likely to be the best of a rich, deep pool. Thus, good draft prospects.

  15. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    Given how this season is going and in particular, the two recent 5-0 drubbings, I wonder if some of the NMC players might be willing to accept a trade out of this shit show if things remain pretty much the same. It is probably only fair to expect pennies of talent on the dollar in trade for a Lucic or Russell for example, but many on this board have expressed a desire to unload both these seemingly immovable contracts. We may be approaching the time when that is possible. Just be prepared for the potential futures cost (picks) and/or the likely underwhelming present return (player). The obvious added upside is we should not have to worry about losing Nuge to the cap if a trade like this happens. Just a thought.

  16. OmJo says:

    HT Joe: Source?Please and thanks!

    His wife’s Twitter account

    https://twitter.com/FrancescaAnna/status/948768354667393025?s=09

  17. digger50 says:

    Derek,

    Derek, I’m late to the party but……

    There are some experts here who do well in the market. But most folks do average at best.

    My advice? But a house instead, preferably one with a rental basement. If you have $ left, open a self trading account and engage in couch potatoe investing. Just my opinion of course, good luck.

  18. digger50 says:

    OmJo: His wife’s Twitter account

    https://twitter.com/FrancescaAnna/status/948768354667393025?s=09

    Wow, that is terrible.

  19. VOR says:

    Thinking About the Draft 5 Individual Team Success Part 5

    Step 9. Draft players you are uniquely qualified to nurture. The Oilers are a nearly perfect organization to nurture a project center. They have no centre depth at the AHL level meaning the prospect can play many minutes in the minors. At the NHL level they can give the prospect sheltered minutes and they have great centers to mentor him.

    Step 10. Use the wisdom of crowds.

    Not all draft rankings are equal. But you can easily identify consensus players/rankings. As long as there is consensus go with it. When the consensus breaks down take the highest scoring player from the best cradle. Right now, take the highest scoring player left from the OHL. If and only if you can provide him with opportunity and he is a good and enriching fit.

  20. digger50 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Although it might work out – the 3 year term contact that DAL offered Pitlick was off the charts.

    When Dallas was in town, Pitlick was interviewed and stated that he was just hoping to get a one-way contact, he couldn’t believe he was offered a 3-year term and had to jump at it ASAP.

    I understand you are saying he got a better deal. The problem is still the same, what do other teams see in these players that the Oilers do not? They constantly underestimate what they have. In Pitlicks case they should have had a decent offer in front of him.

    Osterle case?
    Shultz
    Hendricks

    We need to move on from players here and there of course. But when trends of underperformance emerge, you have to recognize it and stop it.

    You cannot just “wait for the draft”. Everybody gets to draft. Perhaps they draft better than the Oil a and If so how do the Oilers gain ground?

  21. VOR says:

    Thinking About the Draft 5 Individual Team Success Part 6

    Step 11. Draft the player with the greatest fitness relative to opportunity, or as I like to call it the Martin Gelinas Rule.

    If some kid comes to the Combine and rips it up the question you need to ask is how did he get that fit. Imagine for the sake of argument the kid has been working with a professional trainer for years. He has been working out in the summer with veteran NHLers and other high end prospects. Now imagine the kid who kills the Combine is self taught, worked out by himself, and did it all without nutritional counselling or worse on a normal teenage diet. The first guy isn’t necessarily going to have much room to get fitter as a pro. The other kid is probably the next Martin Gelinas who for years was the fittest guy in the NHL.

    Step 12. Intangibles.

    Don’t go looking for intangibles. But if they jump out and hit you over the head with a 2 X 4 then pay attention. Say the kid overcame cancer or child abuse or founded a charity before he turned 18 or captained multiple Memorial Cup Champions or was a world class rodeo cowboy, and so on. You want to be able to read the signs.

  22. Thinker says:

    VOR:
    Thinking About the Draft 5 Individual Team Success Part 6

    Step 11. Draft the player with the greatest fitness relative to opportunity, or as I like to call it the Martin GelinasRule.

    If some kid comes to the Combine and rips it up the question you need to ask is how did he get that fit.Imagine for the sake of argument the kid has been working with a professional trainer for years. He has been working out in the summer with veteran NHLers and other high end prospects. Now imagine the kid who kills the Combine is self taught, worked out by himself, and did it all without nutritional counselling or worse on a normal teenage diet. The first guy isn’t necessarily going to have much room to get fitter as a pro. The other kid is probably the next Martin Gelinas who for years was the fittest guy in the NHL.

    Step 12. Intangibles.

    Don’t go looking for intangibles. But if they jump out and hit you over the head with a 2 X 4 then pay attention. Say the kid overcame cancer or child abuse or founded a charity before he turned 18 or captained multiple Memorial Cup Champions or was a world class rodeo cowboy, and so on. You want to be able to read the signs.

    Maybe I’m wrong, but all my buddies playing CHL had personal trainers starting during their time at SSAC, which was junior high-ish. Is that not typical? Secondly, it was my understanding that many combine testing excercises such as broad jump are largely inate, especially at that age. I’ve also yet to see a guy blow the doors off other combine excercises such as bench or pull-ups. In fact it is largely the opposite. Having seen the lackluster training of CIS hockey players (mostly just riding bikes, then doing ten minutes of a generic balance excercise), I kind of suspect similar bs is occuring in the CHL where guys are playing 70+ games a year. I just think there is so much higher that hockey players (especially young ones) can reach. I’m mostly comparing to football, because that’s what I know, but it is not uncommon for a high school kid to be benching 225 for double digits (eight on my team, and 15 did at least 1 rep), 375+ squats and deadlifts. I think there is way too much hockeying going on through the development years. I know it’s different sports, but those are the 3 major compund lifts, and are necessary to achieve power and explosiveness. More focus balance exercises should supplement these.

  23. Lloyd B. says:

    Pescador: What you do from 9-5…handsome, successful jock.
    What you do from 5-9…overweight, creepy internet guy.
    Really puts everything into perspective,
    Thank your aunt Pearl for me

    I never talked about an Aunt . Nor a Pearl.

    Perhaps a Drayton and Holden?

  24. GMB3 says:

    Thinker,

    Well I’ve trained with and at the same gym as CIS hockey guys and plenty of them train like elite athletes. The U of A’s strength coaches get paid a pretty nice dime I imagine.

    I do agree that there is probably too much hockeying going on, but people say the same thing about the southern United States and baseball, and those states + Cali and the DR are where the best players come from.

    And I’ve done some training of guys who play in the BCHL and Dub / trained with players at that level when I still played baseball in college. Most of them go to pretty good gyms with good staffs. The brute strength and power from football doesn’t transfer as well to hockey. I know it doesn’t really make sense as football players tend to test the best out of all athletes, but from all reports McDavid is a pretty pedestrian athlete off skates, yet he’s a freak of nature on the ice.

  25. GMB3 says:

    JimmyV1965:
    I’m convinced the troubles with this team have more to do with the gray matter between their ears than their collective talent level or skill.They might not be the world beaters we thought they were, but they’re certainly not bottom feeders either. Do we know if the team has had a players only meeting or some kind of team bonding excursion? They should do some kind of quirky curse busting exercise, just to help the guys relax and put things in perspective. Maybe try to bring some humour to the situation.

    Jakub Voracek would reccomend a team party heavy on the heart to hearts

  26. OriginalPouzar says:

    I might be on of the few but I’m looking forward to the game tonight – if the Oilers bring the game I know they can it can be a tough and physical affair with lots of talent.

    A regulation win can provide the faintest glimmer of hope leading in to the back to back afternoon games on the road this weekend.

    Now, time to prepare with heavy deadlifts – my hips hurt already.

  27. OriginalPouzar says:

    Who was it that said Treena would be going off now?

    Well, she is “reporting” that the Oil have offered Caggulia for Hoffman – the team’s are still talking.

    On a related note, OriginalPouzar is “reporting” that the Oil have offered Strome and Mantha for Drew Doughty and the teams are still talking.

  28. OriginalPouzar says:

    Adrian Dater is reporting that the players escrow return was low because the league didn’t hit projected revenue targets and the players aren’t happy.

    I think management needs to prepare for a middling cap increase and the players not invoking the escalator this year.

  29. OriginalPouzar says:

    Also looking forward to the two WJHC semi-final games today.

    US/SWE at 2 pm – Yamamoto had his best game of the tournament last game and I’ll be watching him today.

    CAN/CHZ at 6pm – considering Safin played 6min last game and didn’t get a shift in the 3rd period, I don’t assume he’ll see much ice today unless he makes a material contribution early.

  30. meanashell11 says:

    GMB3:
    Thinker,

    Well I’ve trained with and at the same gym as CIS hockey guys and plenty of them train like elite athletes. The U of A’s strength coaches get paid a pretty nice dime I imagine.

    I do agree that there is probably too much hockeying going on, but people say the same thing about the southern United States and baseball, and those states + Cali and the DR are where the best players come from.

    And I’ve done some training of guys who play in the BCHL and Dub / trained with players at that level when I still played baseball in college. Most of them go to pretty good gyms with good staffs. The brute strength and power from football doesn’t transfer as well to hockey. I know it doesn’t really make sense as football players tend to test the best out of all athletes, but from all reports McDavid is a pretty pedestrian athlete off skates, yet he’s a freak of nature on the ice.

    Not to mention that T Brady kid killed it in the NFL combine his draft year!

  31. flyfish1168 says:

    i always thought Ferraro was a smart hockey man. But when he talks about Pacioretty being a couple strides behind standing around waiting for something to happen, how can he then say he can be the shooter for Mcdavid. We have that in Milan already. PC has traded the best player twice and we have not been able to replace either. We can’t hemorrhage the best player in a trade anymore.

  32. Dustylegnd says:

    GMB3,

    I believe I read McDavid is also 1 of only 3 Roberts clients that can dead lift 500 lbs plus using a trap bar, Kessel and Stammer being the other 2

    At the NHL scouting combine a week before the draft, McDavid finished in the top 10 in only two of the 15 tests that measure agility, fitness and strength. Jack Eichel, the muscular, broad-shouldered forward picked next by the Buffalo Sabres, ranked among the leaders in seven categories. The only player to win as many as three wasn’t selected until the fourth round.

    It makes one wonder what those results mean, and what they have to do with identifying a future superstar. “A lot of guys who test well never make it in the NHL, and guys who do extremely well in the NHL are often not the top guys in the tests,” Roberts said.

  33. flyfish1168 says:

    JimmyV1965: I’m just waiting for the day we trade someone like Maroon or Lucic or Kassian or Letestu and pieces for the materially better player.

    I understand you often trade for a position of need and CAP space is a commodity now. But the team that gets the “BEST PLAYER” RE: Hall & Eberle often wins the trade, That why PC should not have done a one for one with either one of these trades, we needed a high or medium prospect back due to the best player. We need to remind PC of this. JMHO

  34. OriginalPouzar says:

    Dustylegnd:
    GMB3,

    I believe I read McDavis is also 1 of only 3 Roberts clients that can dead lift 500 lbs plus using a trap bar, Kessel and Stammer being the other 2

    At the NHL scouting combine a week before the draft, McDavid finished in the top 10 in only two of the 15 tests that measure agility, fitness and strength. Jack Eichel, the muscular, broad-shouldered forward picked next by the Buffalo Sabres, ranked among the leaders in seven categories. The only player to win as many as three wasn’t selected until the fourth round.

    It makes one wonder what those results mean, and what they have to do with identifying a future superstar. “A lot of guys who test well never make it in the NHL, and guys who do extremely well in the NHL are often not the top guys in the tests,” Roberts said.

    Depending on if Max P’s regression this year is a one-off or the start of falling off the cliff, his four straight 30 plus goal / 60 plus goal seasons prior to this year would put the statement regarding Nuge being the better play in question.

    I actually don’t know the answer to that question and I don’t get to see Max P. play much.

    Nuge’s progression (and age) vs. Max P.s regression (and age) would provide me with great hesitation in this type of trade.

    The lack of a 3C in the organization would also provide me with additional hesitation (although I think a 3C should be easier (and cheaper) to acquire than a 35 plus goal scorer.

  35. OriginalPouzar says:

    Further, I am only really interested in acquiring Max P. in a “buy low” type scenario and, in such a scenario, Nugent-Hopkins is not in the conversation.

    Think Jordan Eberle for Ryan Strome.

  36. Munny says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker),

    This really isn’t anything different than what I said. Not sure why you felt the need to express it as it was?

  37. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Munny:
    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker),

    This really isn’t anything different than what I said. Not sure why you felt the need to express it as it was?

    I supported some of what you said and further elaborated on different areas, but you did tell him to disregard everyone’s advice except yours. Not sure if you noticed you did that and so it did warrant being pointed out. I don’t think I did so in a harmful way.

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