G41 2017-18 Ducks at Oilers

Do you know the Wally Pipp story? The legend is that he had a headache (he had many, reportedly due to a childhood hockey injury), asked out of the Yankees lineup and lost his job forever to Lou Gehrig. The real story? Well, it might have been a headache but Pipp was also batting .244 when Miller Huggins replaced him. There’s a beauty to baseball statistics, you can see the build of a young career, the blossoming of a hall-of-famer, the incredible sustain the drives results past age 30 for only the men touched by God, and, finally, the sadness of age and arrival of lead feet, a slow bat and the tears of goodbye. Lou Gehrig’s career page is both a soaring opera and a devastating tragedy. His final MLB game was April 30, 1939. He died June 2, 1941, just shy of his 38th birthday. Wally Pipp stepped aside, but only because he was about to get run over.

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 FALSE SPRING, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • January 2016: 1-0-0, goal differential 0
  • January 2017: 0-1-0, goal differential -2
  • January 2018: 0-1-0, goal differential -5

January 2016 G2 saw Edmonton win 1-0 in OT over Carolina, Andrej Sekera is made for that game state. A year later 4-3 Edmonton over Boston, Patrick Maroon with the hat trick. Oilers badly need a win tonight to right the ship.

 MIDWAY, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers 15-16: 16-21-3, goal differential -24 (35 points)
  • Oilers 16-17: 20-13-7, goal differential +9 (47 points)
  • Oilers 17-18: 17-20-3, goal differential -16 (37 points)

January 2016 saw Edmonton beat Carolina 1-0 (as above) and last year G41 was a 2-1 overtime win over New Jersey. Last year’s team was rolling now, they would  go 27-13-2 and end the season 47-26-9, 103 points. However, the 2015-16 team went 15-22-5 to wind up 31-43-8, 70 points. If this Oilers team duplicated last year’s team from this moment, the team would finish 44-33-5, 93 points. Too many holes, ladies and men.

 WHAT TO EXPECT FROM JANUARY

  • At home to: Los Angeles, Anaheim (Expected 0-1-1) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • On the road to: Dallas, Chicago, Nashville, Arizona, Vegas (Expected 2-2-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Vancouver, Buffalo, Calgary (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 4-4-2, 10 points in 10 games
  • Current results: 0-1-0, zero points in one game

I have Edmonton taking this game to overtime tonight, and then playing pretty well on the road. Edmonton did play two good periods against Los Angeles on Tuesday, need to bring it home with two points this evening.

JUJHAR, ANTON AND THE DRAKE

Patrick Maroon is out tonight (and one more game) serving a suspension and, just like Wally Pipp, there’s an opportunity available. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins or Leon Draisaitl are the best available options on left-wing with McDavid-Puljujarvi but I don’t think Todd McLellan will load up one line. Mike Cammalleri has the skill but not the speed.

Jujhar Khaira brings some of the elements of Maroon but he’s shy offensively compared to Edmonton’s suspended player. Anton Slepyshev is an excellent fit but the coach has him in the Rita slot. Drake Caggiula is fast and he could get the job, although his sniping ability isn’t elite. Milan Lucic is also available but McLellan has been watching the big man miss the net quite a bit lately, so that may not be the option chosen. Thoughts? I vote Slepyshev, suspect it will be Lucic.

Benson’s final season in junior is healthy and that’s the most important thing. His boxcars (27, 15-23-38) and his NHLE (33.5) are very good arrows. I’ll talk to Bruce about Benson’s performance last night, Benson will be a big story at training camp in the fall. I expect he’ll play at least half a season in the minors but you never know.

  • Corey Pronman on draft day: Benson has great instincts, constantly finding seams to get the puck to his teammates or on net. “He never wows you,” said one scout, “but he’s always around the puck, making a good play.” Benson is a quality defensive forward with great work ethic in battles and solid overall positional play. He doesn’t shy away from throwing a hit, and is strong on the puck.

HALFWAY HOME

After tonight’s game, we’ll be exactly halfway through the season. Who had Edmonton giving up 260 goals? Four men are on track for 50+ points, three of them centers. The pivots will also score 20+ goals but no winger (unless Lucic scores tonight) is on track for that number. Kris Russell leads the defensemen in scoring, Cam Talbot’s save percentage is .903. Regression on the way?

PATCHES FOR NUGE

Ray Ferraro, who is one of the top hockey people in media, threw out a Nuge for Max Pacioretty discussion point yesterday. I’m a fan of patches but the value here favors Montreal in this trade. Why? Pacioretty is a grand player, even suffering through a difficult season. His cap hit ($4.5 million) has one more year after this one. He’s on pace for fewer than 20 goals this year after being a 30-goal man for five seasons (all but the lockout) in a row. Nuge is having a strong year and has three years after this one ($6 million). Peter Chiarelli has bled talent to address need, to the point where making this trade would represent a talent fracture from which the team might not be able to recover.

HALL FOR  CECI?

Ceci had higher value at one time than he does now but that would have been a disaster. I’m not going to re-shovel the Hall trade, you all know my opinion on that deal. That said, Adam Larsson was a more established and (in my opinion) useful player. That would have been a ghastly trade.

CONDORS

Some of these prospects are starting to post good crooked numbers, thought I’d run the NHLE for Edmonton’s prospects in Bakersfield:

  1. Ty Rattie 27.4
  2. Joey Laleggia 23.6
  3. Ethan Bear 20.6
  4. Grayson Downing 17.8
  5. Patrick Russell 16.2
  6. Kyle Platzer 14.7
  7. Joe Gambardella 12.8
  8. Braden Christoffer 11.4
  9. Caleb Jones 11.2
  10. Ryan Mantha 10.6
  11. Keegan Lowe 10.5
  12. Dillon Simpson 9.9

Rattie is in that grey area between AHL and NHL, I wonder if we see him in Edmonton after the deadline. Joey Laleggia keeps pushing, his season hasn’t been as impressive and that’s probably due to Anton Lander’s absence.

Ethan Bear is the most impressive prospect on the list based on offense, we’ll see how he shines for the rest of the season. Caleb Jones and Ryan Mantha are also prospects of note, difficult to project any of these blue onto an NHL roster in the next 12 months. Patience.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, TSN1260. We rock n’ rolla with some spectacular guests. Scheduled to appear:

  • Bruce McCurdy, Cult of Hockey. Tyler Benson, Oilers play tonight, draft talk too soon?
  • Josh Lewenberg, TSN. Raptors DeRozan finding another level.
  • Rob Vollman, ESPN and NHL.com. All-breakout team, plus Player of 2017.
  • Frank Seravalli, TSN. World Juniors! BIG day!

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  1. npanciroli says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    I don’t get it either his numbers don’t seem bad last couple of years.

  2. Ben says:

    Ducks are an absolute masterclass in ticky-tacky-shit.

  3. OmJo says:

    What a sequence

  4. OriginalPouzar says:

    sliderule: I can give you one
    Press box and fourth line ice time
    No development from that.
    Pitlick got that when he played AHL rather than take extra junior year

    I don’t see any situation where the Oilers do that to Yamamoto in the AHL next year.

    Why would they do that?

    More like 1RW and 1PP (playing with Hebig and Benson).

  5. LMHF#1 says:

    All Russell had to do was stop the puck and take an easy shot. Why can’t these guys actually think with the puck?

  6. OmJo says:

    I thought Ducks quack, not whine.

  7. OriginalPouzar says:

    russ99: I’d be inclined to keep Jesse there.

    Drai can play on the left side (or Connor can play on the left side).

  8. Munny says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Officially 3 for 4. I see no reason why it Shouldn’t be 3 for 1. They got 1 powerpkay & scored 3 times on it.

    This is a good reason why we should only look at per 60 w.r.t. special teams.

  9. russ99 says:

    Now that’s how to sneakily deliver a cheap shot. Pay attention, Maroon.

  10. OriginalPouzar says:

    How is the puck not going in the net? GIbson!

  11. StixMalone says:

    Love it but get McDavid a finisher….

  12. russ99 says:

    God, I hate these dirty Ducks.

  13. Confused says:

    Seriously why cannot we get this every night, hugely entertaining

  14. npanciroli says:

    Ducks are just pure trash.

  15. Gerta Rauss says:

    Last 5 min have been pretty exciting

    It would be nice to pop one here

  16. OmJo says:

    Ducks are frustrated they keep crashing Gibson and are taking it out on the Oilers.

    Lol.

  17. Pouzar says:

    OriginalPouzar: This is likely a move to solidify the back-up position for next year.

    It is, but why waste a draft pick on a backup for next year? This season is lost. Backups can be had in free agency. Keep as many picks as humanly possible.

  18. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    I think if I can sum up people’s frustrations with acquiring Montoya now…

    it’s too little too late. Backup goalie has not been properly addressed for 2 summers and 1.5 seasons. And then the solution is Al Montoya?

    That’s it in summary.

    I wanted to see LB get more of a chance, too, but clearly TMac has not trusted him in two years. There was a disconnect somewhere there between Chia and TMac.

  19. StixMalone says:

    Pouzar: It is, but why waste a draft pick on a backup for next year? This season is lost. Backups can be had in free agency. Keep as many picks as humanly possible.

    Some team wants Brossoit maybe? Package deal coming…

  20. sliderule says:

    OriginalPouzar: I don’t see any situation where the Oilers do that to Yamamoto in the AHL next year.

    Why would they do that?

    More like 1RW and 1PP (playing with Hebig and Benson).

    Why
    152 lbs

  21. npanciroli says:

    sliderule,

    Probably not getting any bigger tho.

  22. russ99 says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    I think if I can sum up people’s frustrations with acquiring Montoya now…

    it’s too little too late. Backup goalie has not been properly addressed for 2 summers and 1.5 seasons. And then the solution is Al Montoya?

    That’s it in summary.

    I wanted to see LB get more of a chance, too, but clearly TMac has not trusted him in two years. There was a disconnect somewhere there between Chia and TMac.

    Seems twofold, Chia and his proclivity for kids to grow into a role, and obviously the Oilers don’t want to spend on a backup, which is what it takes in FA.

  23. Munny says:

    Massive penalty call

  24. BONE207 says:

    Pouzar: It is, but why waste a draft pick on a backup for next year? This season is lost. Backups can be had in free agency. Keep as many picks as humanly possible.

    Woodguy requested another flailing arm blow up goalie

  25. OilClog says:

    StixMalone: Some team wants Brossoit maybe? Package deal coming…

    Duclair

  26. OriginalPouzar says:

    Going to be 4 on 3 in OT for the Oilers.

  27. Pouzar says:

    Great back check by Lucic makes it.

  28. russ99 says:

    Whooo hoo. OT PP. if we don’t score, we don’t deserve to win.

  29. OmJo says:

    We win this in OT.

  30. russ99 says:

    The way we’re playing, the point is welcome.

    Let’s get the second one.

  31. npanciroli says:

    If this PP doesn’t score in OT I want changes to the special teams staff.

  32. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Man, it would have been sweet if Klef scored in reg. Damn it.

  33. BONE207 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Going to be 4 on 3 in OT for the Oilers.

    That’s not posdible in a 1-1 game

  34. OriginalPouzar says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    I think if I can sum up people’s frustrations with acquiring Montoya now…

    it’s too little too late. Backup goalie has not been properly addressed for 2 summers and 1.5 seasons. And then the solution is Al Montoya?

    That’s it in summary.

    I wanted to see LB get more of a chance, too, but clearly TMac has not trusted him in two years. There was a disconnect somewhere there between Chia and TMac.

    Yes, Al Montoya – he was one of my top choices in the off-season if we were going to acquire a veteran back-up.

    He is an established veteran backup that can play 25-30 games.

    He’s exactly what Oiler fans have asked for and he is an Oiler next year.

    Check it off the “to do list” for the off-season. Back-up position taken care of.

  35. BeerMe says:

    Killer to give a loser point to the ducks regardless. not good enough

  36. StixMalone says:

    Hate giving them a point

  37. Ben says:

    Corey Power Potterplay!

  38. StixMalone says:

    Fuck Kesler

  39. pts2pndr says:

    OriginalPouzar: He’s got goals in 6 straight games now and is in the top 5 for goals scored.

    He’ll be back in junior next year while both Yamamoto and Benson will likely start next year in the AHL

    With the impending departure of Maroon, we have a hole to fill at wing in the top 6 but no cap space to play with. Chia will need to try and find a cheap “good bet” established player coming off a down season – a spot cannot be gifted to one fo the two rookies.

    If we do happen to draft in the top 5, maybe, just maybe, a guy like Zadina is ready?

    Please explain why you think Yamamoto who is struggling in junior will definetly be inthe AHL next year? Do they need a mascot? This young man needs to get his man strength! You can not hurry him! He has talent but at his size he will get killed playing against men! How well did he perform in the world juniors? You can not just wish it so! He is at least two years away from starting next year. This unless there is a growth spurt or act of God!

  40. LMHF#1 says:

    I sure hope the trade after the game includes Letestu so the Coach can’t send him out on powerplays anymore.

  41. OriginalPouzar says:

    sliderule: Why
    152 lbs

    He will be done with junior after this year.

    He is ready for the pro grame.

    He isn’t going to get materially bigger so why wait.

    Its time to play against men.

    If you talk to 100 managers, scouts, experts, I would posit that 100 of them would say the AHL is always preferable to the CHL for development of higher end players.

  42. BeerMe says:

    Testube out on the OT PP. just why.

  43. npanciroli says:

    Ducks get away with way too much extra stuff.

  44. OmJo says:

    Trying to be too fancy.

  45. Munny says:

    Pa-bloody-thetic

  46. BeerMe says:

    putrid

  47. Munny says:

    npanciroli:
    Ducks get away with way too much extra stuff.

    It’s a different rulebook for them it seems

  48. russ99 says:

    Ugh. Still way to static. Gotta move to create space.

  49. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Draisaitl is too lackadaisical with the puck sometimes.

    Ducks’ announcers rightfully talking about how static the Oilers’ PP is.

  50. OilClog says:

    Letestu is the hill TMac lives on

  51. npanciroli says:

    russ99,

    yep, its just bad.

  52. npanciroli says:

    OilClog,

    imagine JP firing from that spot.

  53. OriginalPouzar says:

    pts2pndr:

    This is Yamamoto’s 4th full year of junior.

    There is nothing left in junior for him even though he is struggling this year.

    He will be a pro player next year.

  54. OmJo says:

    McDavid was like a shark that smelled blood.

  55. flyfish1168 says:

    Did the ducks promise the refs a trip to Disneyland?

  56. Munny says:

    Darnell gonna be dreamin about that one

  57. OmJo says:

    End. This.

  58. StixMalone says:

    Let McDavid draw up the play….

  59. Pouzar says:

    BeerMe:
    Testube out on the OT PP. just why.

    Look away. It’s coming.

  60. npanciroli says:

    i hate shootouts never watch them. just check the score after.

  61. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    I don’t think we can blame the refs for this one. Oilers just can’t cash on the PP.

  62. OilClog says:

    npanciroli,

    As Oilers fans our imagination is all we have that they can’t trade

  63. Clay says:

    Well the good news we only have to watch them stand still for 25 seconds.

  64. Gerta Rauss says:

    man

  65. LMHF#1 says:

    These stupid shots from way outside just piss me off.

  66. StixMalone says:

    They don’t deserve to lose in a shootout so let’s finsh it boys!

  67. Pouzar says:

    npanciroli:
    i hate shootouts never watch them. just check the score after.

    Same here. Haven’t watched one in 2 yrs.

  68. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    What’s with all the Drai one-times from way wide lately? It’s such a sharp angle/low percentage shot.

    Frustrating game. Oilers should have won in reg or OT.

  69. BONE207 says:

    We were better 3 on 3 than 4 on 3. Maybe it’s a feng shway thing

  70. npanciroli says:

    OilClog,

    haha

  71. russ99 says:

    Lemme guess, Letestu a shooter.

  72. npanciroli says:

    Good game everyone!

  73. OilClog says:

    Somewhere Hemsky is watching Mcdavid while nodding being flooded with horrendous flashbacks

  74. BeerMe says:

    tmac is gonna send out letestu for a muffin

  75. Munny says:

    The amount of offence killed tonight by pucks bouncing over sticks has been maddening

  76. Munny says:

    Camo makes it look easy

  77. BONE207 says:

    Cammy

  78. Gerta Rauss says:

    oh filthy move by Cammy

  79. russ99 says:

    Nice job Cammy.

  80. BONE207 says:

    C’mon Nuge

  81. Gerta Rauss says:

    atta boy Nugey!!

  82. russ99 says:

    Nice shot Nuge.

  83. Munny says:

    2 points. One baby (Nuge) step forward

  84. OmJo says:

    And ofc my stream stops…

  85. Nailer Yakumoto says:

    Everybody back on the wagon!

  86. Gerta Rauss says:

    Anaheim can kiss my ass!!

  87. Confused says:

    Yes¡!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  88. russ99 says:

    Thank god.

  89. Wilde says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker),

    Lately? That’s one of his favourite plays. Drai loves to hang out in the corners and either wire shots or make touch area passes to guys cutting in the slot a la Deshairnas. It’s actually really athletically impressive how well Leon can hit those one timers.

  90. BeerMe says:

    I’m not even excited. Gift the ducks a loser point. Too little, too late. We needed to come out and DOMINATE this game.

  91. StixMalone says:

    We needed it and rightfully deserved it tonight. Great effort!

  92. Gerta Rauss says:

    Now we wait for the trade call with LB and Ottawa…:)

  93. OmJo says:

    Can’t get excited for one win. Win the next 5 and maybe I’ll celebrate.

    That said… Thank God…

  94. russ99 says:

    So, what’s the corresponding roster move…

    Brossoit to the KHL? Lol

  95. BONE207 says:

    Ducks are filthy bastards

  96. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Here’s the best spin I can come up with.

    Let’s say I told you in 3 home games the Oilers would score 1 goal and allow 11, but their record would be 1-2, would you take it? I think you would.

    Would have been nice to win in Regulation, but winning while scoring only one goal? You have to take it.

  97. Nailer Yakumoto says:

    The fact that McDavid only gets 1 point in the last 4 games – despite all the effort and brilliance he produced during that time – makes me a little sad. Like Mozart writing a symphony and some idiot using the paper to start a fire.

  98. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker),

    This is the story of Leon’s season really but especially on the PP

    He hasn’t been bad, but he’s just a foot or two off.

    If he’s standing on the faceoff dot he’s in the “Ovi” spot for that one-timer but he drifts just a bit too far down or wide and it’s a brutal angle

    And he does that consistently on the PP, whether it’s as a shooter, on the half wall or in the slot.

    Big win though!

    They needed it

  99. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Wilde:
    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker),

    Lately? That’s one of his favourite plays. Drai loves to hang out in the corners and either wire shots or make touch area passes to guys cutting in the slot a la Deshairnas. It’s actually really athletically impressive how well Leon can hit those one timers.

    The touch passes are great, I give you that, but he has been opting for the low percentage shot a lot more lately. It’s what our PP setup has come down to, and it’s not working. Would just like to see him do some other things. He has so much more in his arsenal.

  100. Rebilled says:

    CHRISTMAS MIRACLES!

  101. StixMalone says:

    Next 2 games are back to back afternoon games. Lord help us please…..

  102. BONE207 says:

    Now 2 afternoon games…this team is fucked

  103. OriginalPouzar says:

    russ99:
    Lemme guess, Letestu a shooter.

    Probably should have been.

    He’s the best on the team.

  104. russ99 says:

    I’ll be at United Center Sunday, gotta keep the string going.

  105. Surrey Oiler says:

    BONE207:
    Now 2 afternoon games…this team is fucked

    We can doooooooooo ittttt!!!

  106. Wilde says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker),

    I don’t think either is effective without the other being a threat. The goalie can’t cheat the touch pass OR the shot if both are options that are regularly excercised. By my eyes it’s usually if he immediately unchecks himself and skates back he’s looking to shoot, and if he’s been there longer than a second he’s thinking pass. You usually see it more often in evens than PP, where it’s comparable to a point shot – last ditch possession effort.

    The only complaint I have about the power play right now is it has 2 guys who might lose the puck any time they handle it longer than two mississipi.

  107. Pouzar says:

    OriginalPouzar: Probably should have been.

    He’s the best on the team.

    Ohhhhh that’s why he’s on the team. Sweet.

  108. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Wilde,

    Yeah I understand how you need both threats to make it effective, but because no one is moving for the pass it isn’t a real threat. It is obviously a shot coming.

    Right now the PP is 29 or 97 with the puck and a lot of guys waiting for something to happen. I know it sounds counterintuitive but 29 and 97 seem most dangerous to me when they don’t have the puck for long stretches.

    When they move the puck quickly the PK can’t keep up. Right now it is far too static.

  109. Pouzar says:

    Peter Chiarelli @FakeOilersGM
    20m20 minutes ago

    Oilers remain PERFECT in the Al Montoya era!

  110. LMHF#1 says:

    Todd claiming it took this long to trade a pick for a backup…based on needing one much earlier.

    These guys are either completely incompetent or selling utter BS.

  111. StixMalone says:

    Pouzar,

    Still can’t figure this one out. Hope tomorrow we get a result of this acquisition…..

  112. Pouzar says:

    What happens with Ellis?

    Ryan Rishaug

    Verified account

    @TSNRyanRishaug
    25s25 seconds ago
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    McLellan says Montoya has a good track record of joining a new team and giving them some good starts. Says LB needs net time and wasn’t going to get it with main club, Talbot is going to play a lot. Brossoit does require waivers.

  113. Wilde says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker),

    I’d agree with that. For some reason it’s in my head that Mcdavid could hit the bumper guy and netside guy more reliably last year, and that might be a mobility thing. 16-17 PP1 would do 97 to 29 to 55 or 97 to 29 to 27 over and over and run like 35% for a month. Not sure what happened, besides someone evidently telling Klef to shoot more.

  114. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    LMHF#1:
    Todd claiming it took this long to trade a pick for a backup…based on needing one much earlier.

    These guys are either completely incompetent or selling utter BS.

    Both?

  115. Surrey Oiler says:

    Pouzar,

    I’m sure that NO ONE is going to claim LB…so for all the LB lovers, you can follow him with Condors.

  116. OriginalPouzar says:

    StixMalone:
    Pouzar,

    Still can’t figure this one out. Hope tomorrow we get a result of this acquisition…..

    I’m not sure what there is to figure out?

    They just upgraded at the backup position and filled a hole for next year.

    Montoya is signed for next year at a back up rate and is exactly the player the fans have been clamouring for for two years at the right piece point.

  117. Pouzar says:

    Surrey Oiler:
    Pouzar,

    I’m sure thatNO ONE is going to claim LB…so for all the LB lovers, you can follow him with Condors.

    So what are you gonna post about going forward?

  118. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    Pouzar:
    What happens with Ellis?

    Ryan Rishaug

    Verified account

    @TSNRyanRishaug25s25 seconds ago
    More
    McLellan says Montoya has a good track record of joining a new team and giving them some good starts. Says LB needs net time and wasn’t going to get it with main club, Talbot is going to play a lot.Brossoit does require waivers.

    As part of the trade, Montreal agrees to claim Brossoit if everyone above them passes on him?

  119. flyfish1168 says:

    Montoya an upgrade? Lmao. PC trying to

    trade away all our draft pick in a strong draft year again

  120. Pouzar says:

    OriginalPouzar: I’m not sure what there is to figure out?

    There is. You just don’t want to acknowledge it.

  121. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    Pouzar: So what are you gonna post about going forward?

    Maybe Surrey can give us all a goalie eval/critique after Al’s first start. Using a relBrossoit analytics approach with 1.0 being equal to Brossoit. Glove side, stick side, 5 gap, rebound control grades. That might be fun.

  122. Wilde says:

    Peter trading with the same four orgs over and over again tells me either other GMs don’t want to trade with us, or Chiarelli doesn’t feel like talking to 80% of the league on a serious basis.

    Or both, to varying degrees.

    Montoya 16-17:
    -.76 GSAA in 19GP
    Eh. Biggest thing is Todd sounds like he’ll actually give him games.

  123. JD_Wry says:

    Pouzar: So what are you gonna post about going forward?

    Talbot and his digestive processes.

  124. StixMalone says:

    OriginalPouzar: I’m not sure what there is to figure out?

    They just upgraded at the backup position and filled a hole for next year.

    Montoya is signed for next year at a back up rate and is exactly the player the fans have been clamouring for for two years at the right piece point.

    Ok I get that I’m waiting to see what becomes of Brossoit. I.e. trade, waivers ?

  125. Pouzar says:

    StixMalone: Ok I get that I’m waiting to see what becomes of Brossoit. I.e. trade, waivers ?

    And Ellis/Eddie P in BAK if LB clears.

  126. Lloyd B. says:

    Pouzar: There is. You just don’t want to acknowledge it.

    Pouzar: There is. You just don’t want to acknowledge it.

    +1

  127. OriginalPouzar says:

    Pouzar: There is. You just don’t want to acknowledge it.

    Please enlighten me as, taking away his four games this year and looking at his career, he’s exactly what the fan base has wanted the GM to acquire for two years.

    We aren’t acquiring the next Matt Murray for a back up cap hit.

    Established veteran back up at the right price point.

    Yes, too late for this year but it fills a hole for next year.

  128. Pouzar says:

    Drafted in the 5th round.

    Eric Friesen@EricJFriesen
    12m12 minutes ago
    #Oilers prospect Kirill Maksimov now has 24 goals in 34 games in the OHL this season (.71 G/GP). The 18-year-old Russian winger currently ranks fifth in the league in goals.

  129. bendelson says:

    Pouzar:
    Drafted in the 5th round.

    Eric Friesen@EricJFriesen12m12 minutes ago
    #Oilers prospect Kirill Maksimov now has 24 goals in 34 games in the OHL this season (.71 G/GP). The 18-year-old Russian winger currently ranks fifth in the league in goals.

    Let’s hope he doesn’t ask for 3rd round money next summer…

  130. danny says:

    Sportsnet Stats
    @SNstats

    Al Montoya’s .906 save % since 2011-12 is the 4th worst among all goalies with a minimum of 100 starts

  131. Zelepukin says:

    Good to see the boys pull out 2 points at home for once. I’m still perplexed as to what exactly the coaching staff is teaching these guys, on 3 things:

    Break-outs
    – We must be the only team who continually do 2 plays: the Russell reset to rim-around the boards, hoping the winger can do a quick chip against a pinching D (every team pinches on us because they know our D rim it when pressed), with the hopes the support forward can break for a 2-on-1.
    The second break-out play is the hail mary rim. Russell or Nurse will fire the puck from inside the dot to a stationary winger facing the boards, in hopes that McDavid is at full-tilt and either picks up a quick chip or I guess nothing, cause this really just ends up being a stationary dump-in re-direction. In which case, the opponent’s other D gains possession majority of the time and then breaks out like a normal team.

    We’ve been doing these same two plays the entire year. Nothing has changed. The first is happening because guys like Klef and Benning have not been as good in making the smart first decision with the puck, moving their feet quickly separating themselves from the forechecker and making the easier short pass. It felt like they were much better at this last season. The second break-out mostly happens because guys like Russell and Larsson are not hitting the curling forwards earlier that are coming down low.

    The PK

    This is beyond baffling. Again, nothing has changed since the start of the season. We continue to give their D or the off-winger way too much time and space. If a team has more than one person who can shoot the puck, we’re screwed. Hoping Russell blocks every shot is not a PK strategy. It’s not that we have bad PK players, it’s the system (or lack there of). The forwards need to close the gap and not in a 1-1-2 formation.

    The PP

    We are the only team in the entire league that only has 1 guy who can one-time the puck and even then, we don’t set it up efficiently. Usually it’s blatant and the guy passing it is never a threat so their forward doesn’t need to press him. They can stand safely in the middle and either take away the pass to Letestu or any inside slot pass option. If we do shoot the puck from other players, it’s never with authority. It’s always looking for a deflection from a softer shot that ends up being easy to block or easy for the goalie to track.

    The additional issue with only having Letestu taking one-timers is that it puts him on the ice more. This his only skill other than being a decent face-off guy. He does not have hands and I cringe when we rely on him to either carry in the puck on the PP or handle it on the half-boards.

  132. Surrey Oiler says:

    danny:
    Sportsnet Stats
    @SNstats

    Al Montoya’s .906 save % since 2011-12 is the 4th worst among all goalies with a minimum of 100 starts

    *Hard gulp*

  133. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    danny:
    Sportsnet Stats
    @SNstats

    Al Montoya’s .906 save % since 2011-12 is the 4th worst among all goalies with a minimum of 100 starts

    4 games, Danny boy. Small sample size. Wait, what?

  134. GMB3 says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): 4 games, Danny boy. Small sample size. Wait, what?

    Hah! The thing that rubs me wrong is how long this took to get done. The time to trade for a back up was months ago. I suppose trading Letestu for a third at the deadline is a given at this point. If they trade Maroon and Letestu for picks this draft would have the opportunity to be huge for the future of this club.

    I know Safin has had a poor world juniors, but taking guys like him and Maksimov later on in the draft could eventually find us a nice late round steal.

    Maksimov can really rip the pill, and handles the puck well. I think at this point it’s fair to say his curling might be in line with a top 6 NHLer, and from the 5th round that’s huge.

  135. GMB3 says:

    Big right winger who’s establishing a pedigree as a goal scorer. Only a fool would complain

  136. OriginalPouzar says:

    Yes, Safin has had a poor WJHC – I’m not even sure he got a shift yesterday.

    Its disapointing as I was looking forward to him in this tournmanet but it doesn’t take away from the wonderful season he’s having in the Q (with no offensive support since Valeno got traded) as a rookie.

    I think work ethic and consistency are issues for Ostap – not the end of the world given he’s 18 and those things should get better with age, development experience.

  137. OriginalPouzar says:

    Its going to be a great weekend of Oiler hockey.

    Back to back wins in afternoon games on the road against WC teams we are chasing for the wild card.

    Lets do this!

    Go Oilers!

  138. OriginalPouzar says:

    GMB3: Hah! The thing that rubs me wrong is how long this took to get done. The time to trade for a back up was months ago.

    The Montoya acquisition is as much a move for next year as it is this year.

    Our back-up tending position is now solidified with an established and proven vetern back-up tender at the proper price point.

    This is exactly what the fanbase have been screaming for for two years now.

    No, he’s not a world-beater tender but he is a solid back-up that can play up to 30 games and generally give the team to win and keep them in it if required to start for 2-4 weeks or so in case of injury.

  139. Wilde says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    The thing about it being for next year, is that there’s much more available in the summer

  140. flyfish1168 says:

    OriginalPouzar: This is Yamamoto’s 4th full year of junior.

    There is nothing left in junior for him even though he is struggling this year.

    He will be a pro player next year.

    Nothing to prove. So he only out because why? If he is just there because he has to be and waiting to turn pro next year that is the wrong attitude. Still needs to earn it. He should be out there to prove he can dominate, set an example, be a leader. Sad part, even at the WJC he has looked pretty pedestrian. I am a concern Oiler fan. I just don’t feel he can kick it up another notch.

  141. Lowetide says:

    flyfish1168: Nothing to prove. So he only out because why? If he is just there because he has to be and waiting to turn pro next year that is the wrong attitude. Still needs to earn it. He should be out there to prove he can dominate, set an example, be a leader. Sad part, even at the WJC he has looked pretty pedestrian. I am a concern Oiler fan. I just don’t feel he can kick it up another notch.

    The great thing about this blog’s Yamamoto debate is we’ll find out in fairly short order. Yamamoto impressed in training camp, pre-season and his underlying NHL numbers were excellent (three assists in nine games was shy for his spot in the batting order).

    I would put his chances of playing another year of junior at zero, and opine he has a 90 percent chance of breaking camp with the NHL team next fall. Oilers be Oilers, folks.

  142. Wilde says:

    flyfish1168: Nothing to prove. So he only out because why? If he is just there because he has to be and waiting to turn pro next year that is the wrong attitude. Still needs to earn it. He should be out there to prove he can dominate, set an example, be a leader. Sad part, even at the WJC he has looked pretty pedestrian. I am a concern Oiler fan. I just don’t feel he can kick it up another notch.

    If you read interviews with him, he talks about being asked to lead, set an example etc etc.

    I haven’t watched him play in Spokane so I don’t know if he’s snakebit, or if hes still on that line with Anderson-Dolan, or if the team is weaker, perhaps he’s being asked to play low forward in the own zone, a lot of things could be at play here.

    What I did notice at the WJC is that he had a tentative start at the world juniors, but ramped up over the tournament and was one of the USA’s best players for their final game. For example they started running Tkachuk in his place on the Middlestadt line early in the tournamenr, and they weren’t the same afterwards. That line was a menace in the U18s last year, but was basically just the Middlestadt show without Yamamoto. Whereas he was looking like the hellhound F1 on the forecheck that he normally is, against Sweden

    I’m not worried about Yamamoto. You can list plenty of recent camp surprises. You can list much fewer first year guys who put up good scoring chance and possession numbers but were utterly snakebit. Leon and Puljujarvi. There was worry about them too.

  143. €v¥£€us says:

    Surrey Oiler,

    #Becarefulwhatyouwishfor

  144. €v¥£€us says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    My question is, why did he waste a pick in an allegedly deep draft on a player who would be hitting the waiver wire anyway? Who else might pick him up, no one, right? Is something else brewing, if not, not a good move IMO…

  145. Wilde says:

    Wilde,

    Yeah 1:5 G to A ratio is what he’s got right now in his 17-18 Spokane campaign, where 16-17 is more like 3:4. So if we’re gonna judge him by boxcars, the conclusion that he’s either shooting 2% or not playing the shooter role on his line anymore is just as easy to come to as something like…. he’s got the wrong attitude and doesn’t care.

  146. €v¥£€us says:

    €v¥£€us,

    Also, Oilers now with 49 on their 50 man list – somethings’s got to give; what is speedy turtle saying?

  147. OriginalPouzar says:

    I’ll be scouring the interweb for an update on Yamamoto today.

    I’m thinking he’ll be fine to join Spokane ASAP – just a slash to the leg – don’t imagine any significant injury.

  148. OriginalPouzar says:

    Wilde:
    OriginalPouzar,

    The thing about it being for next year, is that there’s much more available in the summer

    Montoya would have been one of my top 2 or 3 choices from last summer so I’m just fine getting him now, even if it costs a 5th rounder.

    The fan base has been screaming for a veteran established back-up tender and now that we got one they are bitching about the timing?

    We are set for the rest of this year and next.

  149. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lowetide: The great thing about this blog’s Yamamoto debate is we’ll find out in fairly short order. Yamamoto impressed in training camp, pre-season and his underlying NHL numbers were excellent (three assists in nine games was shy for his spot in the batting order).

    I would put his chances of playing another year of junior at zero, and opine he has a 90 percent chance of breaking camp with the NHL team next fall. Oilers be Oilers, folks.

    I would agree with his chances at junior next year being around zero next year.

    Its time for him to turn pro. I can’t imagine a 5th junior season being good for his development. As far as the argument about him getting stronger before turning pro, well, we could be waiting for a decade for that. Its time for him to play against men and his current (well, current in 8 months) weight/strength.

    I hope you aren’t right about the 90% chance of breaking camp with the NHL team. If that’s true then I posit its because Chiarelli isn’t able to acquire any legit competition for a top 6 RW spot. Given our cap situation, that might be the case but I truly hope he can find a player (a veteran in need of a bounce back season) to sign a short term contract and provide real competition for the top 6 wing so Kailer isn’t gifted a spot due to lack of organizational depth.

    The talent is coming on the wings, its just got a one year gap (subject to our first round pick this coming June).

  150. Wilde says:

    OriginalPouzar: Montoya would have been one of my top 2 or 3 choices from last summer so I’m just fine getting him now, even if it costs a 5th rounder.

    The fan base has been screaming for a veteran established back-up tender and now that we got one they are bitching about the timing?

    We are set for the rest of this year and next.

    That’s all correct, but I don’t it’s a crime of the mind to believe those two things at the same time. You can think that the Oilers needed a backup and still think it’s too little too late. It’s not an ideal move for this season, because the season’s over, and it’s not ideal for next season because you can get comparable goalies in free agency for free, asset wise.

    Imagine if we traded Berglund or Maksimov or whatever for Montoya, instead of positing it as a nameless 2018 4/5th.

  151. frjohnk says:

    Maybe I should come to the realization that the season is toast but……

    Of the teams ahead of us in the 6 to 12 spot, there were 4 teams that played last night

    Minnesota and Colorado each got 2 points while Anaheim and San Jose each got 1 point.

    – we are 8 points behind San Jose for 3rd in the Pacific, they have 3 games in hand
    – we are 10 points behind the Stars for 1st wildcard, we have 1 game in hand
    – we are 8 points behind the Wild for 2nd wildcard, we have 1 game in hand
    – 8th spot is on pace for 94 points

    From game 42 to 82 last year we went 27-12-2, that included a 7-0-1 run in the middle of Jan and a 14-2-0 run to finish the season. A second half of the season like that would give us 95 points and a good chance of making the playoffs.

  152. Wilde says:

    frjohnk:
    Maybe I should come to the realization that the season is toast but……

    Of the teams ahead of us in the 6 to 12 spot, there were 4 teams that played last night

    Minnesota and Colorado each got 2 points while Anaheim and San Jose each got 1 point.

    – we are 8 points behind San Jose for 3rd in the Pacific, they have 3 games in hand
    – we are 10 points behind the Stars for 1st wildcard, we have 1 game in hand
    – we are 8 points behind the Wild for 2nd wildcard, we have 1 game in hand
    – 8th spot is on pace for 94 points

    From game 42 to 82 last year we went 27-12-2, that included a 7-0-1 run in the middle of Jan and a 14-2-0 run to finish the season.A second half of the season like that would give us 95 points and a good chance of making the playoffs.

    I’ve lost faith in this season myself, but another piece to bolster your argument is that the PK was quite poor during that time last year. The PP however, has to go supernova.

  153. danny says:

    OriginalPouzar: Montoya would have been one of my top 2 or 3 choices from last summer so I’m just fine getting him now, even if it costs a 5th rounder.

    The fan base has been screaming for a veteran established back-up tender and now that we got one they are bitching about the timing?

    We are set for the rest of this year and next.

    Set for what exactly?

    Sportsnet Stats
    @SNstats

    Al Montoya’s .906 save % since 2011-12 is the 4th worst among all goalies with a minimum of 100 starts

  154. ArmchairGM says:

    Lowetide: The great thing about this blog’s Yamamoto debate is we’ll find out in fairly short order.

    HAH!

  155. Pouzar says:

    danny: Set for what exactly?

    Sportsnet Stats
    @SNstats

    Al Montoya’s .906 save % since 2011-12 is the 4th worst among all goalies with a minimum of 100 starts

    I keep the pick all day everyday. Throw as many darts at the board as possible.

    *looks at Condors roster*

  156. ArmchairGM says:

    danny: Set for what exactly?

    Sportsnet Stats
    @SNstats

    Al Montoya’s .906 save % since 2011-12 is the 4th worst among all goalies with a minimum of 100 starts

    Backup goalie. Did someone here claim he was a starter? That “minimum of 100 starts” stat line is misleading – it means he’s mostly being compared to starters.

  157. Wilde says:

    ArmchairGM: Backup goalie. Did someone here claim he was a starter? That “minimum of 100 starts” stat line is misleading – it means he’s mostly being compared to starters.

    That’s like 20 starts a year.

  158. Pouzar says:

    ArmchairGM: Backup goalie. Did someone here claim he was a starter? That “minimum of 100 starts” stat line is misleading – it means he’s mostly being compared to starters.

    s

    I ran the numbers for the last 4 years at 2500 min to get a bigger set of comparables from the backup goaltending realm.

    At these minutes played criteria (about 10 games a year) Al Montoya ranks:

    48th out of 65 in Sv%
    44th out of 65 in GSAA

    EDIT: Everyone on this list played a minimum of 60 games in those 4 seasons.

    imo, the very definition of “meh”.
    Not the goalie to give up a draft pick for.
    With a year left on his contract you pick that guy up on waivers.

  159. flyfish1168 says:

    Lowetide: The great thing about this blog’s Yamamoto debate is we’ll find out in fairly short order. Yamamoto impressed in training camp, pre-season and his underlying NHL numbers were excellent (three assists in nine games was shy for his spot in the batting order).

    I would put his chances of playing another year of junior at zero, and opine he has a 90 percent chance of breaking camp with the NHL team next fall. Oilers be Oilers, folks.

    I agree. There is know chance of him going back to junior as an overage. Snake bitten maybe, Every chance i get i watch him. Leon i saw lots in junior. He dominated and drove the play. World junior with JP he was noticeable. Kailor maybe needs to be challenged differently

  160. ArmchairGM says:

    Pouzar: I ran the numbers for the last 4 years at 2500 min to get a bigger set of comparables from the backup goaltending realm.

    At these minutes played criteria (about 10 games a year) Al Montoya ranks:

    48th out of 65 in Sv%
    44th out of 65 in GSAA

    EDIT: Everyone on this list played a minimum of 60 games in those 4 seasons.

    imo, the very definition of “meh”.
    Not the goalie to give up a draft pick for.
    With a year left on his contract you pick that guy up on waivers.

    I agree, he shouldn’t have given up a draft pick. But the very fact Montoya has the reps says he’s a decent backup tender to me. Any LB-type player wouldn’t have lasted so long. IMO Montoya will perform as expected (steady but slightly below NHL average, which is probably typical of a backup) and give the Oilers some cushion for developing their young goalies.

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