G42 2017-18: Oilers at Stars

Growing up in Saskatchewan, January Saturdays were the ones I remember best. On Friday night, after the chores were done, Dad would let us keep the outside light on and my brother and I would play hockey on the driveway. He was four years older and got to be Bobby Orr (I would choose the Leafs, Keon) and we’d play until maybe 10 o’clock. I’ve been colder in my life than on those nights, but only because I’d get up on Saturday mornings early and play on the same driveway alone (it was even colder, I was a damned fool). Saturdays I was Orr, making both me and Davey Keon happy (I was a poor Keon). My obsession with the game blossomed on a small stretch of land 17 miles north of Maidstone, Saskatchewan in what my Mom referred to as “the middle of the damned night.” I can still feel the itch from my Stanfield’s long underwear, specially made for crazy kids too dumb to come in from the cold. I miss those days, especially on Saturday.

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TABERNAC SATURDAY, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • January 2016: 2-0-0, goal differential +1
  • January 2017: 1-1-0, goal differential -1
  • January 2018: 1-1-0, goal differential -5

G3 2016 was a 3-2 loss to the Lightning, Oilers scoring two early and giving up three goals in the final frame. G3 2017 was a 2-1 overtime win over the Devils. Edmonton beat Dallas in two of three a year ago, scoring 14 and allowing six. The Stars have better goaltending this year.

AFTER 42, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers 15-16: 17-21-3, goal differential -23 (37 points)
  • Oilers 16-17: 21-13-7, goal differential +10 (49 points)
  • Oilers 17-18: 18-20-3, goal differential -16 (39 points)

G43 2016 was a loss to Tampa Bay (3-2) as above and last year Edmonton lost 5-3 to Ottawa, mostly because Jonas Gustavsson stopped only 13 of 17 shots.

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM JANUARY

  • At home to: Los Angeles, Anaheim (Expected 0-1-1) (Actual 1-1-0)
  • On the road to: Dallas, Chicago, Nashville, Arizona, Vegas (Expected 2-2-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Vancouver, Buffalo, Calgary (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 4-4-2, 10 points in 10 games
  • Current results: 1-1-0, two points in two games

I’ve chosen 85 points as the Oilers “reasonable goal” for this season. It’s not a playoff number but if Edmonton finishes (as an example) 20-15-6, 46 points their final record would be 38-35-9, 85 points. That’s a reasonable expectation from here.

RE: HALFWAY HOME

As you know, I do an RE series in summer, projecting the roster for the following season and estimating point totals. This past summer was a real challenge, mostly because there was so much roster uncertainty. Looking at my projections and then checking the half-time numbers, it’s fascinating to see how the auditions worked out.

  • I had the Oilers at +49 goals and the team is -16 goal differential at this time. I’m hopeful the team can get out of the blue and into the black.
  • Connor McDavid’s season is a masterpiece, considering the uncertainty on his line through the first half. I expect he’ll deliver close to 100 points this season, possibly more.
  • Jesse Puljujarvi has scored more than the other auditioning wingers who gave me such a difficult time last summer. He is on pace to play the exact number of games I estimated and in the range in terms of point total. I’m proud of that projection.
  • Milan Lucic should exceed my projection by as much as 10 points, while Patrick Maroon will come in around the expected range.
  • Ryan Nugent-Hopkins posted the most impressive first half among the forwards, with 30 goals a possibility.
  • Leon Draisaitl is shy of my projections, important to remember I had him at right-wing on McDavid’s line 70 percent of the season. I believe he has delivered a solid first half  under trying circumstances.
  • Drake Caggiula is the second of those baffling young wingers, I was able to surround his expectations pretty well.
  • Ryan Strome hasn’t delivered the offense predicted but he also hasn’t played 30 percent of his year with 97. I’d say his numbers are in the range with RE if we factor in usage.
  • Jujhar Khaira has delivered beyond expectations, I faded him among the young forwards and he overdelivered and robbed Anton Slepyshev and others of playing time.
  • Mark Letestu surpassed expectations and is close to my yearly expectations. I thought coach McLellan would have found a replacement for ML on the power play, which still could come this season.
  • Kris Russell put the boots to my RE and kept going. Offensively this may end up being his finest season in the NHL.
  • Matt Benning is in the range of expectations, the young defender has had some issues with consistency and coverage but the offense is there.
  • Darnell Nurse is blossoming as a player, he’ll cover his RE and then some (healthy season is a nice development). He has stepped into a more prominent role and handled it well, a very good development for this organization.
  • Oscar Klefbom has struggled with injuries and consistency this season but his shot volume this season has been incredible. His numbers should regress (the good kind) over the second half of the season.
  • Adam Larsson hasn’t done as well moving the puck this season, some of that probably due to his back issues. I’m less certain of his recovery than I am about Klefbom.
  • Cam Talbot’s numbers are the most disappointing on the team. If he had posted the .920sp projected, 14 fewer goals would have found their way to the net. If Talbot doesn’t recover in the second half of the season, suspect we see a Mathieu Garon edition to the team over the summer.

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  1. Clay says:

    It’s incredible how often, once the opposing team gets possession in the Oilers’ zone, all five Oilers stand still and puck-watch. I remember my Peewee coach getting mad when we didn’t have our “heads on a swivel”, and here’s an entire team of professional hockey players who just stand and stare at the puck carrier. It’s even worse on the PK, but that goes without saying.

    It’s like they know the train wreck is coming and can’t look away.

    I don’t know how TMac survives this stretch.

    Also, Hitchcock teams have been bitch-slapping the Oilers for two decades. I’ve always secretly hoped he’d end up coaching the Oilers – I know he’s a limited-shelf-life type, but he turns teams around in a hurry. And let’s be honest; coaches don’t last more than a few years in Edm anyway.

  2. Melvis says:

    JD_Wry,

    That’s high praise indeed – the golf ad hash part.

  3. Zelepukin says:

    Clay: I don’t know how TMac survives this stretch.

    Maybe Chia wants a few more losses so statistically all hope is lost, improving our odds for a high pick. Then brings in a new staff to start February and get them up to speed for the start of next season.

    You would think the result of this road trip would dictate what his expectations are for the rest of the season.

  4. JD_Wry says:

    Melvis,

    Now would be a great time for one of your famous tales.

  5. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Waking up in Tokyo 8am. Glad I slept through this one with the flu. .

  6. SwedishPoster says:

    So if they go full OBC and decides to put Gretzky in the GM seat. What type of GM would he be? What kind of team would he build? Is he cunning enough?
    I don’t remember what his coaching style was with the Yotes, but that might give some clues.

    I assume he’d lean on his little brothers office experience quite a bit. And probably MacT and Lowe…

    It would be sad if he tainted his Oiler legacy by being a terrible GM.

  7. Cassandra says:

    OriginalPouzar:

    Next year, Hebig, Yamamoto, Benson will all turn pro and will likely marinate in Bakersfield for the year (at least the start of the year) and the year after Maksimov, Safin and Samorukov.Throw I some Rasanen, Kemp, Lagesson, Berglund as some more distant prospects (but with potential) and add an influx this season.

    Huge silver lining.

    Go Oilers

    You know that none of those guys are top prospects. Benson and Yamamota are top 100 type guys, but not top 50. Every team has players as good or better in their system. The cavalry isn’t coming for this team.

  8. Dr. Taboggan says:

    I remember the day Chia was hired and looking up his trade history on nhltradetracker. Kessel, Wheeler, Seguin and now add Hall and Eberle. A team of Chia castoffs could probably out-score this Oilers team.

  9. OriginalPouzar says:

    Cassandra: You know thatnone of those guys are top prospects.Benson and Yamamota are top 100 type guys, but not top 50.Every team has players as good or better in their system.The cavalry isn’t coming for this team.

    I believe that is a very nice influx of talent to our pro ranks but thank you for your input.

  10. Dicky94 says:

    Hate to be a “Debbie Downer” but this team could be a couple years away from playoffs. Mini rebuild in progress. Team looks lost. In a bad way.

  11. leadfarmer says:

    Professor Q: Pittsburgh is doing pretty terribly this year as well.

    They have Crosby, Malkin, AND Kessel.

    Yeah it’s not unusual for teams to start slow after a long playoff run and they’ve done back to backs. They’ll take things seriously again soon enough

  12. leadfarmer says:

    Dicky94,

    Contracts this summer meant we push the compete window back 4 years. Keep drafting well. We have good pieces but 0 depth other than Leftorium

  13. JD_Wry says:

    Dicky94,

    Dicky Downer then?

  14. Dicky94 says:

    JD_Wry,

    That works.

  15. flyfish1168 says:

    npanciroli:
    Fire McLellan and all the coaching staff. May as well turf Chiarelli too. I think mainly a coaching issue but probably safe to cover all bases.

    I’m afraid who they would hire to replace them. Boys on the bus would be bad

  16. Dicky94 says:

    leadfarmer,

    Need to make some smart trades in the off season. Which is why I’m nervous.

  17. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    SwedishPoster:
    Sometimes in our lives
    We all have pain
    We all have sorrow
    But if we are wise
    We know that there’s always tomorrow

    Dahlin on me, when you’re not strongI’ll be your friend
    I’ll help you carry on
    For it won’t be long
    ‘Til I’m gonna need
    Somebody Dahlin on

    Priceless!

  18. flyfish1168 says:

    Positive note. We won the specialties game

  19. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Dicky94:
    Hate to be a “Debbie Downer” but this team could be a couple years away from playoffs. Mini rebuild in progress. Team looks lost. In a bad way.

    It turns around fast. We should all remember the vaunted centre depth is lead in experience by a crusty old 24 YO.

    The other 2 are brilliant but this is a tough league and both are learning and often making mistakes. Even Gretzky had to grow a lot outside of scoring. Remember the whining at the injustices he had to take?

    Wingers are a problem because the tweeners don’t have good hands. JP is fine but may not be a great finisher. Khaira too but he is likely a good bottom 6. I hope he replaces Letestu if he can.

    They need to upgrade Slepy Cags Strome and Kassian because he makes 2M. Maroon is streaky and useful at his pay now but in games like this his boots don’t help and he can’t just run around beating the daylights out of people with how the refs are calling games. I think the calls will get better, it seems like the league makes the Oilers pay dues.

    There are no obvious ways to upgrade. Any deal off the roster other than pending UFAs will create a hole like Nuge or Klefbom unless they have incredible luck in the draft.

    I think the team will be better next season even with the same roster minus Cammalleri. Because Sekera should be back to normal and Russell can be hidden better. Larsson and Klefbom should be healthy, the talent a year older and harder after the experience of this season.

  20. Melvis says:

    JD_Wry,

    I had one all lined up, but now I’m loaded. Besides, it’s the opposite of OP’s impression of Tom Cruise jumping up and down on Oprah’s sofa at a Scientology convention.

  21. JD_Wry says:

    Melvis: I had one all lined up, but now I’m loaded

    The first time that’s stopped anyone here from posting?

  22. hags9k says:

    Last season. This season.

    The question is, which is the one-off?

    Lordy.

  23. OriginalPouzar says:

    Can Maksimov continue his goal streak tonight?

    We’re about to find out.

  24. Dicky94 says:

    Scungilli Slushy,

    I hope so. Just not going to believe the cup hype anymore. Didn’t really believe it this year but I didn’t think they would be this bad.

  25. Scungilli Slushy says:

    SwedishPoster:
    Sometimes in our lives
    We all have pain
    We all have sorrow
    But if we are wise
    We know that there’s always tomorrow

    Dahlin on me, when you’re not strongI’ll be your friend
    I’ll help you carry on
    For it won’t be long
    ‘Til I’m gonna need
    Somebody Dahlin on

    Thread

  26. McSorley33 says:

    That should just about do it for the “we still have a chance crowd”.
    (Although, I have been saying that for a few weeks now )

    The only question now is, do both the coach & GM get fired, or does PC get one more season?

  27. Scungilli Slushy says:

    So what would it take to trade with the Pens for Jarry? Oil Kings so he’ll be loved from above. Thoughts on him from those who follow goalies, I haven’t seen him play.

  28. Scungilli Slushy says:

    McSorley33:
    That should just about do it for the “we still have a chance crowd”.
    (Although, I have been saying that for a few weeks now )

    The only question now is, do both the coach & GM get fired, or does PC get one more season?

    The team is a few tweaks from great. Hold the rudder and be smart about upgrades where needed. Firings will absolve the players from what their contribution is to this. And again, who out there is better than McLellan? Its not Todd Nelson.

  29. Ben says:

    Well if there’s one coach out there with an uncanny knack for understanding how to beat the Oilers–even with a bottom-feeding team–it happens to be the currently-out-of-work Dave Tippett.

  30. StixMalone says:

    Scungilli Slushy: The team is a few tweaks from great. Hold the rudder and be smart about upgrades where needed. Firings will absolve the players from what their contribution is to this. And again, who out there is better than McLellan? Its not Todd Nelson.

    I like Todd Mclellan. But a dreamy coaching tandem would be Nelson and Krueger together lol

  31. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Ben:
    Well if there’s one coach out there with an uncanny knack for understanding how to beat the Oilers–even with a bottom-feeding team–it happens to be the currently-out-of-work Dave Tippett.

    If he coached the Oil as he did the Coyotes I think I would have to go into mourning. For a long time.

  32. Scungilli Slushy says:

    StixMalone: I like Todd Mclellan. But a dreamy coaching tandem would be Nelson and Krueger together lol

    Nice

  33. JimmyV1965 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Silver lining of yet another bad loss – I’ve got to assume that it helps keep Chia away from the “save the season/save his job” type trade. I would have thought that option was long gone but I read/hear rumors that its not. It simply cannot happen.Our draft picks must not be traded unless it’s a hockey trade that helps in the future.

    The silver lining of the disappointing season is the high end talent and depth of this upcoming draft.We will retain our 1st round pick – it could be a huge top end pick but, even if its in the 8-14 range, I hear the depth in the first round is fantastic. Accumulate some picks for Maroon, Letestu, etc. and we should add some nice talent influx to this team.

    Next year, Hebig, Yamamoto, Benson will all turn pro and will likely marinate in Bakersfield for the year (at least the start of the year) and the year after Maksimov, Safin and Samorukov.Throw I some Rasanen, Kemp, Lagesson, Berglund as some more distant prospects (but with potential) and add an influx this season.

    Huge silver lining.

    Go Oilers

    Thanks for this. This is what keeps us going. The second round pick might be valuable as well. And to Chia’s credit, he’s done a good job drafting.

  34. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    The goal differential is the most concerning thing. Wheels have fallen off.

    Ultimately it seems the team, as constructed was not good enough. Yeah, coaching, injuries, bad goaltending. They all matter but underneath all that is the lack of talent.

    We were all concerned at the hemorraghing of good NHL talent, I think, to various degrees, and yes, that includes the fans who were in favour of Chia’s moves.

    I think if you list the players coming in and going out, you see the gap. Now, this is not to say Chia is horrible. Have said for a long time I see him as average or mediocre and while some agree and some do not, and I get that, and two of the lost picks were bullshit NHL compensation for guys who were basically let go already here is an incomplete list:

    Out:
    Hall
    Eberle
    Schultz
    Yakupov
    Scrivens
    Pouliot
    Pitlick
    1st 2015
    2nd 2015
    3rd for McLellan
    2nd for Chia

    In:
    Larsson
    Lucic
    Maroon
    Kassian
    Russell
    Cammy
    Montoya
    Puljujarvi

    Lucic and Maroon are good players but can’t replace Hall and Eberle’s goal scoring.

    Now I don’t give two shits about re-litigating what to me looks like a mix of good and bad, but rather ask: how do we replace the depleted talent that now consists of McDavid, Leon, Nuge and a couple of pieces on D without building through the draft again, which after a decade plus of picking top 10, is utterly ridiculous to even contemplate.

    Again, I am not in the blow it up camp. Setback year. But this team needs more talent. I have said that over and over that the team was becoming too top heavy. McDavid, Leon, Talbot were all stars last year and they caught lightning in a bottle. But this year no such luck.

    Unfortunate because I don’t see anyone out there better than Chia or TMac available and so don’t want the OBC back in.

  35. Ben says:

    Scungilli Slushy: If he coached the Oil as he did the Coyotes I think I would have to go into mourning. For a long time.

    Meh. I think he was just doing what he could with what he had. Didn’t have that reputation with Dallas:

    http://arizonasports.com/story/438255/busting-some-myths-about-coyotes-coach-dave-tippett/

  36. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    Tampa Bay is getting lit up by the Senators

    #wearentalone!

  37. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Ben:
    Well if there’s one coach out there with an uncanny knack for understanding how to beat the Oilers–even with a bottom-feeding team–it happens to be the currently-out-of-work Dave Tippett.

    Please no. He sewered Arizona.

  38. danny says:

    Shock and Awe…

    This season is a complete shock to most including myself.

    Awe… the penalty kill, the powerplay, the indifferent play, the baffling sense of timing (lack) exhibited by management.

    Is it normal for management to have their fanbase bewildered in their decisions or non-decisions so frequently? It’s been happening in Edmonton for a LONG time now.

  39. Dicky94 says:

    Scungilli Slushy,

    McDavid would lead the team with 50pts at years end but they would have winning record. Don’t think I could watch them though. Lindy Ruff is a coach that could be good for the oilers.

  40. JD_Wry says:

    Ben:
    Well if there’s one coach out there with an uncanny knack for understanding how to beat the Oilers–even with a bottom-feeding team–it happens to be the currently-out-of-work Dave Tippett.

    The coach we have already knows how to beat the Oilers.

    We need a coach who knows how to beat the other teams.

  41. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Dicky94:
    Scungilli Slushy,

    McDavid would lead the team with 50pts at years end but they would have winning record. Don’t think I could watch them though.Lindy Ruff is a coach that could be good for the oilers.

    Good thing Hall was traded if we hire him!

  42. stush18 says:

    Man twitter is nuts right now. Everyone has their claws out. Seen a lot of,

    “We’re too slow”

    Strome-eberle
    Hendricks-cammalleri/juhjar
    Pouliot-Puljujarvi

    I see an upgrade in speed on everyone of those, or at least similar speed.

    I understand chiarelli has made some mistakes.

    But do we actually see those three players as the reason this team dropped to a bottom feeder? To me, this is all on coaching, specifically special teams.

  43. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    stush18,

    Strome is playing his way into free agency. But yeah, I don’t think skating speed is the issue. A good pass is far faster than any skater. The transition game except McDavid or Nuge lugging the puck up ice is very poor.

  44. stush18 says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    The goal differential is the most concerning thing. Wheels have fallen off.

    Ultimately it seems the team, as constructed was not good enough. Yeah, coaching, injuries, bad goaltending. They all matter but underneath all that is the lack of talent.

    We were all concerned at the hemorraghing of good NHL talent, I think, to various degrees, and yes, that includes the fans who were in favour of Chia’s moves.

    I think if you list the players coming in and going out, you see the gap.Now, this is not to say Chia is horrible. Have said for a long time I see him as average or mediocre and while some agree and some do not, and I get that, and two of the lost picks were bullshit NHL compensation for guys who were basically let go already here is an incomplete list:

    Out:
    Hall
    Eberle
    Schultz
    Yakupov
    Scrivens
    Pouliot
    Pitlick
    1st 2015
    2nd 2015
    3rd for McLellan
    2nd for Chia

    In:
    Larsson
    Lucic
    Maroon
    Kassian
    Russell
    Cammy
    Montoya
    Puljujarvi

    Lucic and Maroon are good players but can’t replace Hall and Eberle’s goal scoring.

    Now I don’t give two shits about re-litigating what to me looks like a mix of good and bad, but rather ask: how do we replace the depleted talent that now consists of McDavid, Leon, Nuge and a couple of pieces on D without building through the draft again, which after a decade plus of picking top 10, is utterly ridiculous to even contemplate.

    Again, I am not in the blow it up camp. Setback year. But this team needs more talent. I have said that over and over that the team was becoming too top heavy. McDavid, Leon, Talbot were all stars last year and they caught lightning in a bottle. But this year no such luck.

    Unfortunate because I don’t see anyone out there better than Chia or TMac available and so don’t want the OBC back in.

    Crazy question.

    At years end, assuming we have a high end draft pick, would you package it up for a winger, or a more established puckmoving dman?

    I’d say our greatest organizational strength is at defense.

    Like what sort of package could we get for a top five pick?

  45. stush18 says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker),

    I agree. I said earlier this year it would be down to strome or maroon for who would be here next year rather than nuge.

    Ignoring how anyone feels about chiarelli, I find it hard to believe that this team is really THAT much more unskilled than the other teams.

  46. stush18 says:

    Also, if someone wants to replace TMac, I would hope they would bring in a newer style coach.

    I mean everyone’s complaints about TMac is how his “system” is too rigid.

    You think that’s going to get better picking up Sutter, Tippet, or Ruff?

    Might as well call Iton Mike Keenan back from the motherland to coach if that’s what we’re doing.

  47. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    stush18: Crazy question.

    At years end, assuming we have a high end draft pick, would you package it up for a winger, or a more established puckmoving dman?

    I’d say our greatest organizational strength is at defense.

    Like what sort of package could we get for a top five pick?

    I think biggest need remains a Barrie type. Dreaming about a Karlsson or Pietrangelo type is just that, dreaming. But I think one of the quality leftorium pieces needs to go along with whatever else to get a puck-moving RHD who can also QB a power play.

    Think a D on that right side who can really pass will do wonders.

    So, if Klef or Nurse + our 1st for an equivalent RHD and a lesser 1st or something like that would work I would do that.

    Nurse or Klef-Barrie type
    Sekera-Larsson
    Russell-Benning/Davey/Auvitu is serviceable.

  48. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    stush18:
    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker),

    I agree. I said earlier this year it would be down to strome or maroon for who would be here next year rather than nuge.

    Ignoring how anyone feels about chiarelli, I find it hard to believe that this team is really THAT much more unskilled than the other teams.

    Right now would wager both Maroon and Strome are gone. Strome looks like he has the physical tools to be better but he just doesn’t have ‘it.’ Poor hockey sense, inability to hit the net with a shot when it makes sense. Average skater. Not physical.

    Also, this fanbase is leery of new style coaches thanks to Eakins.

    I really don’t know what the answer is here.

  49. JimmyV1965 says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    The goal differential is the most concerning thing. Wheels have fallen off.

    Ultimately it seems the team, as constructed was not good enough. Yeah, coaching, injuries, bad goaltending. They all matter but underneath all that is the lack of talent.

    We were all concerned at the hemorraghing of good NHL talent, I think, to various degrees, and yes, that includes the fans who were in favour of Chia’s moves.

    I think if you list the players coming in and going out, you see the gap.Now, this is not to say Chia is horrible. Have said for a long time I see him as average or mediocre and while some agree and some do not, and I get that, and two of the lost picks were bullshit NHL compensation for guys who were basically let go already here is an incomplete list:

    Out:
    Hall
    Eberle
    Schultz
    Yakupov
    Scrivens
    Pouliot
    Pitlick
    1st 2015
    2nd 2015
    3rd for McLellan
    2nd for Chia

    In:
    Larsson
    Lucic
    Maroon
    Kassian
    Russell
    Cammy
    Montoya
    Puljujarvi

    Lucic and Maroon are good players but can’t replace Hall and Eberle’s goal scoring.

    Now I don’t give two shits about re-litigating what to me looks like a mix of good and bad, but rather ask: how do we replace the depleted talent that now consists of McDavid, Leon, Nuge and a couple of pieces on D without building through the draft again, which after a decade plus of picking top 10, is utterly ridiculous to even contemplate.

    Again, I am not in the blow it up camp. Setback year. But this team needs more talent. I have said that over and over that the team was becoming too top heavy. McDavid, Leon, Talbot were all stars last year and they caught lightning in a bottle. But this year no such luck.

    Unfortunate because I don’t see anyone out there better than Chia or TMac available and so don’t want the OBC back in.

    I guess the first question is what do we need to become competitive? Is one RHD and a winger enough? Do we need another starting goalie? Talbot is fairly inconsistent. Or do we need two wingers? If we get rid of guys like Cammi and Strome, will that be addition by subtraction? Do we give up on the Drake and Schleppy?

    It’s certainly going to be an interesting nine months off the ice.

  50. Dicky94 says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker),

    Package Strome with something else for Duclair.

  51. stush18 says:

    Dicky94,

    I honestly think you could get duclair for strome straight up.

    I’m sure they would love to have the strome brothers together.

  52. AsiaOil says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    Lucic and Maroon are good players but can’t replace Hall and Eberle’s goal scoring

    Not trying to be a dick but that’s not true. Goalscoring for 2016-2018 seasons

    Hall – 34
    Ebs – 34 (2015-16 in EDM)
    TOTAL = 68

    Lucic – 31
    Maroon – 36
    TOTAL = 67

    It’s mostly goaltending, predictability of special teams, stubbornness on playing certain players in spite of results, poor development of young guys, and lack of maturity by young leadership. Hall and Ebs trades have almost no impact. Coaching has an impact on most of these issues and those guys bear quite a bit of responsibility for this situation. TMac seems like a totally different guy this season who is unacceptably slow to react or adapt both in-game or in-season to issues facing the team. My complaint with Chia is that he needed to add more speed the team and only brought in Jokinen and Strome as an everyday players. Sure you don’t tear down a team after a 103 point season and G7 of the 2nd round, but the speed issue was apparent in pre-season against teams like CAR and should have been addressed.

  53. JimmyV1965 says:

    stush18:
    Man twitter is nuts right now. Everyone has their claws out. Seen a lot of,

    “We’re too slow”

    Strome-eberle
    Hendricks-cammalleri/juhjar
    Pouliot-Puljujarvi

    I see an upgrade in speed on everyone of those, or at least similar speed.

    I understand chiarelli has made some mistakes.

    But do we actually see those three players as the reason this team dropped to a bottom feeder? To me, this is all on coaching, specifically special teams.

    The too slow narrative drives me bonkers. We have a few slow players, but we have plenty of speed. And I think that was demonstrated for much of December. We’re playing in a fog because virtually everyone on the team has zero confidence.

  54. npanciroli says:

    McLellan for Quennville.

  55. Dicky94 says:

    stush18,

    Ya it sounds like he wants out.

  56. leadfarmer says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): Right now would wager both Maroon and Strome are gone. Strome looks like he has the physical tools to be better but he just doesn’t have ‘it.’ Poor hockey sense, inability to hit the net with a shot when it makes sense. Average skater. Not physical.

    Also, this fanbase is leery of new style coaches thanks to Eakins.

    I really don’t know what the answer is here.

    If there was only someone here this offseason that could have told us all this about him. Somehow everyone here got mesmerized by the pump and dump

  57. stush18 says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker),

    Yup I agree. If this team isn’t in the race at the deadline, they’ll move maroon, strome, cammalleri and one of cagguilla/slepy by the deadline.

    And yes, I agree they need a good puckmoving dman. And I agree it’ll be one of klefbom/nurse.

    Question is, which nets the biggest return? If you get nurse signed to a good contract, does he have more or less value?

  58. OriginalPouzar says:

    stush18:

    Might as well call Iton Mike Keenan back from the motherland to coach if that’s what we’re doing.

    If I remember correctly, I think he got fired a month ago or so – he is available.

  59. leadfarmer says:

    JimmyV1965: The too slow narrative drives me bonkers. We have a few slow players, but we have plenty of speed. And I think that was demonstrated for much of December. We’re playing in a fog because virtually everyone on the team has zero confidence.

    We move the puck too slowly. The d can’t hit a pass out of the zone. It’s sad that it makes me miss Ryan Whitney’s outlet passes the short time he was here.
    D to D passes are getting coached out of this league same as resets behind the net. Yet they are a major part of what our D does

  60. Dicky94 says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Him and Ruff would be a good tandem. They would have to build on to Rogers for the size of the dog house they would need for this team.

  61. stush18 says:

    AsiaOil,

    I looked into it right at Christmas, but

    Juhjar, cammelleri/jokinen, JP, and strome were basically on pace to replace the goals from

    Hendricks, pouliot, pitlick, and eberle from last year.

    This defence hasn’t put up any offence and kassian, maroon, cags, slepy haven’t performed like they did last year.

  62. stush18 says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    I actually saw that special on him.

    He doesn’t coach shutdown hockey anymore (so he says).

    Point is, if you want a coach that coaches good defence, I think we have it. This team isn’t good at 5v5. So I really have trouble believing this is Tmacs fault.

    Sometimes the numbers don’t add up in your favour. I think it’s important we don’t all overreact.

  63. JimmyV1965 says:

    leadfarmer: We move the puck too slowly.The d can’t hit a pass out of the zone.It’s sad that it makes me miss Ryan Whitney’s outlet passes the short time he was here.
    D to D passes are getting coached out of this league same as resets behind the net.Yet they are a major part of what our D does

    Our transition game is AWFUL! Is some of that on the coaching? The

  64. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    AsiaOil,

    I don’t think you are being a dick. And if you just tally up goals you are right. I don’t know what to tell you except that I still feel like Hall and Eberle are much bigger offensive threats than Maroon and Lucic.

    Eberle had an outlier career worst year. The problem with Hall is he only plays 65 games a year.

    If you do total goals arithmetic like that you get your answer. If you factor in games played and career ppg you get mine.

    Not saying I am right and you are wrong. But when in the lineup I think the Departed Duo drive more offense.

    Not to say Lucic and Maroon are bad players.

  65. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    leadfarmer: We move the puck too slowly.The d can’t hit a pass out of the zone.It’s sad that it makes me miss Ryan Whitney’s outlet passes the short time he was here.
    D to D passes are getting coached out of this league same as resets behind the net.Yet they are a major part of what our D does

    This: for everyone saying we have speed and criticizing people saying we need more, you are missing the main point.

    We have plenty of fast skaters. We play slow. The Oilers have 2 main breakout styles:

    1) D to red line stretch pass: super low percentage
    2) Hand it to McDavid or Nuge and let them lug it up 170 feet.

    Watch fast teams like Tampa play.

    A good pass is faster than any skater, including McDavid

  66. Dr. Taboggan says:

    Do people really want Chia to trade for another D? Maybe Drai for Ceci? Yikes. If Chia remains GM I hope we deicide to build through the draft. Zero confidence in Chia to make a major trade.

  67. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    leadfarmer: If there was only someone here this offseason that could have told us all this about him.Somehow everyone here got mesmerized by the pump and dump

    Sorry. I had to check out after being told too often I know nothing about hockey or about trading, for that matter. It was a long summer so I had to stay away.

    I know precious little, to be fair. Haha

  68. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Dr. Taboggan:
    Do people really want Chia to trade for another D? Maybe Drai for Ceci? Yikes. If Chia remains GM I hope we deicide to build through the draft. Zero confidence in Chia to make a major trade.

    Trade a left D for a right D.
    With Nurse’s emergence we can move one of Nurse/Klef for a good RHD.

    The Ceci thing is a red herring. Not fair to blame Chia for a trade he did not make and we know nothing about.

  69. housty17 says:

    Parting shots! on few players and team systems

    Regardless of how many shots this team gets your re not going to score from the outside.
    Watching this team is like reading the book An autobiography of a Yoga.
    It’s a roller coaster of feelings.
    The difference is in the end in the book the yogi became a yogi.
    The Oilers, another story.
    I listened to the chatter about how good the Oilers played last game and how they picked it up in this game in the second.

    The Oilers have played all but 9 good games all season and the were all in December.
    Whatever they are doing now is just like before their win streak.This team is not playing like a team! They did in December and dominated.
    I watched the last st louis game again as I wanted to clarify the big difference.
    It is night and day. Players came back, came back hard. sort passes out of the zone, close in play 2on1 everything, forecheck aggressive and supportive. The big thing is the will to dominate and the will to play for each other. they got that then… they are not getting that now
    No fire in these guys hearts, where is Kassian, Lucic, Nurse, Khaira. These guys need to bring the
    ‘I am mad a hell, and i am not going to take it anymore” attitude. Bring it every game, it is a feeling dam it. its like these guys sip turkey n the bench.
    Leading the league in hits is nothing, leading the league in hits because you are an intimidating team is something else. Did biggy small show up, at least biggy small was big time
    Grit, speed, support, never give up!!!

    Too much watching, being bystanders rather than be catalysts to invoke the change needed to be winners.

    My observations:

    Uninspiring hockey.
    Watching Leon play is so frustrating. He gets a good check and is not earning it. Has no intensity to his game at all. Knowing that he is a Scorpio and if you have any understanding of these types of archetypes, they are known to be the first line of battle in the arcana. You want your guy to lead, lead by example. His style he chooses to play does not inspire his teammates at all. I mean when you have a powerplay and the other team has the puck in your end and you are 2 feet away from him, why would you turn away. It is your puck go get it. He plays lazy. Maybe his ego as a lil boy is bruised not playing with budz. He seems to lack stamina as well. Learning to be a professional can take time. But one can show up, Leon is not showing up. Is his concussion actually affecting him… maybe but this is not what i think brass wanted out of him.SHOW UP BRO just play hard.

    .

    The stretch game MCl plays they should really consider revamping. Why do you need that when you have MCDavid. To avoid the forecheck of the other team you simply pull all your guys down below the circle in your own end. provide more pass options and a bursting rush up ice. their breaks outs suck.

    Teams just walk in on them, so whatever zone D they play, end the show. blow this up it sucks. I mean what is the point of having a man standing in front of their goalie and waiting for the other team to set up their break. they just walk out everytime.
    The aggressive forecheck they should play.

    take klefbom off the power play.. his he mises the net more than anything and his shots are always too high. Take a Q from Webber hard low shots.

    As much as they praise Nurse he is handicapped offensively hopefully he can add this acumen to his arsenal down the road. other wise they have a good player here. If the defense is forechecking he needs to stay forechecking and not skate away back to his spot, let your guy back you up. We have had so many sorties where we either had positional man advantage or even advantage to win the puck battle, but when the Dman skates away with now a support player to far away to support, they lose the battle for the puck.

    The Pooh boy – You know I like his game for boy wonder, His game would change signifacntly if he shortened his stick, if even if a little, he would lower his center of gravity, have better puck control, be harder to take off the puck and score more goals!!! I really like his push back today on other players, wait till this kid gets stronger, i think he plays better without mcdavid, i see him pushing a river, he likes to drive with the puck.

    We have seen this teams potential, they have the ability to win this whole thing, this was and could have been the year. but what we have seen is players not playing to their potential and maintaining the capacitance to make it the norm.
    Guys have to look in the mirror and decide who they want to be tomorrow. Winners never give up they keep going doing their absolute best. hen they reach their best then comes the next step, serving your brother, serving your team mate serving the hockey system designed to make you and your brethen the winner.

    I dont care what system a coach plays, it is about the execution of the above things that make the difference. Every system played has won it all. It is the collective energy that makes it realized.

    Saying that, the leash i think is bout to change their is oing to be a few tweeks to be made, they need a few more chopping at the bit types.

    Spending money on Left Wing is not the answers They need to spend their money on right wingers. So fuck hoffman.

    Our assets are LD I would trade Kelfbom for a shooting winger who likes to play quick with give and go style pay with MCdavid. I say this because Sekera, Nurse, are not going anywhere. I think Kelf ha a good value contract and would be a good ick up for anyone. I like him even though this is not a good year. Larson stays as a righty, as does russell because of NMC. But our right side needs massive upgrade in D and Wing. Our assets to trade re Klefbom and a Center (Nuge or Drai). We also have Maroon, Letestu, Kassian, Slepy, Cag i feel are all tradeable. Maybe a package deal in the works.

    Unfortunately Looch we are stuck with and his salary is too high where it should have been vested into right winger. Looch is what he is though and we need guys like him. People say he is too slow, i dont agree, he looks too slow for mcdavid but everyone does. if hall was a right winger i have no doubt he would be lights out with mcd.

    Our leftsider will need to be the attacking wingers going forward and the garabge collectors whoever plays with mcdavid. I dont think we need a sta right winger but soeone with puck sense and a volume shooter, a veteran with lo salary expectations wanting to win with MCD.

    I think MCL is a good coach but something is amiss here and it falls on the players then the coach. It old be an expensive mistake to fire him and his staff time will tell whether the players stick to the program, as of right now the door is half out as the special ed teams are horrible, break outs horrible, and defensive system lacks grit effort and pick up.

    okay i have spent enough time wasting here spelling errors and all.

  70. Professor Q says:

    Dr. Taboggan:
    Do people really want Chia to trade for another D? Maybe Drai for Ceci? Yikes. If Chia remains GM I hope we deicide to build through the draft. Zero confidence in Chia to make a major trade.

    If he passed on Draisaitl, Klefbom/Nurse, and Puljujärvi for Subban, I highly doubt he would trade Draisaitl for Ceci. Relax.

  71. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Dicky94:
    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker),

    Package Strome with something else for Duclair.

    If Duclair costs Strome going to free agency I do it. Would not add.

    I saw Duclair in person a lot last season in Tucson. Not a fan. Is a great skater but is a selfish player. Tries to do it all by himself. Pouty attitude, puck hog. He and DeAngelo both. Not surprised they both wore out their welcome.

    If we can buy very low, fine. But this team has too many projects and development issues as is. Can’t dedicate more roster spots to projects. Need surer things.

  72. Dr. Taboggan says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker),

    I was mostly joking about Ceci. My point is Chia has an absolutely brutal track record when it comes to moving major assets. If the Oilers are trading one of their emerging LHD for a RHD better fire Chia first.

  73. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Dr. Taboggan,

    I see. Well a year ago people did not want to consider Klef for Barrie. Would they now? What about Trouba? Although maybe he won’t want to re-sign here.

  74. Zelepukin says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): This: for everyone saying we have speed and people saying we nee more, you are missing the main point.

    We have plenty of fast skaters. We play slow. The Oilers have 2 main breakout styles:

    1) D to red line stretch pass: super low percentage
    2) Hand it to McDavid or Nuge and let them lug it up 170 feet.

    Watch fast teams like Tampa play.

    A good pass is faster than any skater, including McDavid

    Exactly. Our break-out systems have not changed all season and are easily out-coached. Same with the PP, same with the PK.

    We have the worst PK in NHL history and it’s not like Scrivens is in net.
    We have 3 of the best passers in the league on our PP and we’re 25th in the league. We only use 1 guy for one-timers, our slowest player and the play dies on his stick half the time.

  75. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Things I learned: Scorpios and hockeying hard don’t mix. Hemmer and Pulju need to, er, swap sticks.

  76. Thinker says:

    I tend to agree with McLellan in that coaching doesn’t make the difference this year. Talent and effort are what is dragging this team down. Not that I think that excuses some of his poor decisions. I sort of find it funny seeing some of the people who cried “we can’t fire another coach”, when Eakins was chopping wood are calling for TMac’s head.

  77. Pouzar says:

    Elliotte Friedman

    Verified account

    @FriedgeHNIC
    28s29 seconds ago
    More
    From Headlines: CAL/Jagr working on an exit. Jagr deserves to be treated w/respect and agent has permission to talk to other clubs. Nothing materialized yet, but time in CAL is drawing to an end. There is believed to be European interest.

  78. PhrankLee says:

    We are firmly in coach killer territory.

  79. Professor Q says:

    Pouzar:
    Elliotte Friedman

    Verified account

    @FriedgeHNIC28s29 seconds ago
    More
    From Headlines: CAL/Jagr working on an exit. Jagr deserves to be treated w/respect and agent has permission to talk to other clubs. Nothing materialized yet, but time in CAL is drawing to an end. There is believed to be European interest.

    So maybe Jagr has interest in himself (his own club)?

  80. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Ben: Scung

    Thanks nice piece. I feel McLellan is doing exactly that.

  81. Pouzar says:

    Professor Q: So maybe Jagr has interest in himself (his own club)?

    Oilers woulda broke this guy in his mid-twenties.

  82. Munny says:

    housty17,

    I agree with a lot of this. Boys on the Bus Pas Deux… featuring 20 passengers on a Greyhound strapped to McDavid’s back.

    Maybe it is just youth, but somehow we got to a spot where there is a lot wrong with execution.

  83. OriginalPouzar says:

    Maksimov’s goal (and point) streak snapped.

    Rattie scores for LaLeggia and Downing.

    Benson and the Giants about to take to the ice.

  84. Mr. D. says:

    Go puck movers go!

  85. Mr. D. says:

    Ceci is BenNing II. Don’t do it!

  86. russ99 says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    The goal differential is the most concerning thing. Wheels have fallen off.

    Ultimately it seems the team, as constructed was not good enough. Yeah, coaching, injuries, bad goaltending. They all matter but underneath all that is the lack of talent.

    We were all concerned at the hemorraghing of good NHL talent, I think, to various degrees, and yes, that includes the fans who were in favour of Chia’s moves.

    I think if you list the players coming in and going out, you see the gap.Now, this is not to say Chia is horrible. Have said for a long time I see him as average or mediocre and while some agree and some do not, and I get that, and two of the lost picks were bullshit NHL compensation for guys who were basically let go already here is an incomplete list:

    Out:
    Hall
    Eberle
    Schultz
    Yakupov
    Scrivens
    Pouliot
    Pitlick
    1st 2015
    2nd 2015
    3rd for McLellan
    2nd for Chia

    In:
    Larsson
    Lucic
    Maroon
    Kassian
    Russell
    Cammy
    Montoya
    Puljujarvi

    Lucic and Maroon are good players but can’t replace Hall and Eberle’s goal scoring.

    Now I don’t give two shits about re-litigating what to me looks like a mix of good and bad, but rather ask: how do we replace the depleted talent that now consists of McDavid, Leon, Nuge and a couple of pieces on D without building through the draft again, which after a decade plus of picking top 10, is utterly ridiculous to even contemplate.

    Again, I am not in the blow it up camp. Setback year. But this team needs more talent. I have said that over and over that the team was becoming too top heavy. McDavid, Leon, Talbot were all stars last year and they caught lightning in a bottle. But this year no such luck.

    Unfortunate because I don’t see anyone out there better than Chia or TMac available and so don’t want the OBC back in.

    Every player moved out was flawed. Hall much less so than the others, the others obviously so.

    Again it’s not moving the players out, that needed to be done, it’s not replacing them with NHL players that was the problem.

    The Young RFA experiment is a failure, move them all out except Nurse and maybe Davidson.

    We need cost-controlled young players and picks to keep replenishing the system, we can’t afford to take a chance on these players with a pricier one way deal for next season, crippling the cap that prevents us making those moves for NHL players we didn’t last summer.

    Even with the RFAs traded, a big contract needs to go also, set up a bidding war at the deadline for Nuge, and let’s see if we can get one of the RHD or the LW/RW shooter, then find another good player in FA.

  87. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    russ99,

    I agree. Have also said on many other occasions the problem was not the moving players out, it was not replacing them well.

    Also the reality is most players will be flawed players. You can’t have 23 McDavids.

  88. JD_Wry says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    Things I learned: Scorpios and hockeying hard don’t mix. Hemmer and Pulju need to, er, swap sticks.

    That fever’s really peaking, eh?

  89. OriginalPouzar says:

    russ99:
    The Young RFA experiment is a failure, move them all out except Nurse and maybe Davidson.

    We need cost-controlled young players and picks to keep replenishing the system, we can’t afford to take a chance on these players with a pricier one way deal for next season, crippling the cap that prevents us making those moves for NHL players we didn’t last summer.

    We can’t rid ourselves of all the RFAs (Strome, Slep, Drake) as we need some bodies for the roster next year.

    Each of Hebig, Yamamoto and Benson will turn pro but its likely that each SHOULD be assigned to Bakersfield out of camp. We are already at risk of at least one of them being gifted a roster spot due to lack of competition – it would be worse if we move on from all the RFAs. Maybe one doesn’t get brought back (Strome due to cost) but we can’t move on from all of them with no internal option ready for October.

  90. OmJo says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    Dr. Taboggan,

    I see. Well a year ago people did not want to consider Klef for Barrie. Would they now? What about Trouba? Although maybe he won’t want to re-sign here.

    Barrie is Jultz 2.0. Sheltered minutes and offensive zone starts can explain the season he’s having. He’s also injured and comes with a $5.5M cap hit.

    He wouldn’t last very long here. I don’t think the fanbase, and I include myself here, is patient enough for a defenceman like Barrie. A player who doesn’t necessarily outscore his defensive shortcomings.

  91. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Woodguy’s take on Dallas was that Hitchcock reigned the team in and then once they stabilized defensively let them more tether. Offense up no regression in D.

    This is exactly what McLellan has been doing

    The difference is that Dallas’ core forward group is veteran. The Oilers not.

    Dallas D is young but so is the Oilers outside of Russell and Sekera but AS hasn’t been around and has chunky rust.

  92. Scungilli Slushy says:

    OmJo: Barrie is Jultz 2.0. Sheltered minutes and offensive zone starts can explain the season he’s having. He’s also injured and comes with a $5.5M cap hit.

    He wouldn’t last very long here. I don’t think the fanbase, and I include myself here, is patient enough for a defenceman like Barrie. A player who doesn’t necessarily outscore his defensive shortcomings.

    The last thing they need is to shelter another D. Any add has to be a strong two way player. As I’ve said ad nauseum, there are only a handful of D that are worth weak defensive play and the Oilers can’t have those guys because cap.

  93. JD_Wry says:

    Gagner remembered his shoot out move!

  94. smellyglove says:

    On a Jagr exit from Calgary: he only needs 34 NHL games to be the all time leader!

    Please find him a home.

  95. OriginalPouzar says:

    Condors score two quick goals in the third to tie it up and then take the lead:

    Malone from Hamilton and Jones (SH)

    Joe G. from Callahan.

    ——————————————

    Haven’t seen Bear on the score sheet since he returned from missing 12-13 with the concussion.

    Nice to see Joe G. on the board – he has not lived up to expectations (at least mine) in his first year pro.

  96. JD_Wry says:

    Uhhh… Ducks at Flames. Go snowontheroof!

  97. Pescador says:

    Scungilli Slushy: The team is a few tweaks from great. Hold the rudder and be smart about upgrades where needed. Firings will absolve the players from what their contribution is to this. And again, who out there is better than McLellan? Its not Todd Nelson.

    It doesn’t work that way, the players are to blame no question. But you can’t trade the mall, the ones you can jettison will bring back draft picks, when the players aren’t performing coaches and/or mngmt get fired, that’s just the way it is.
    McLellan has more experience than Nelson but what does that matter if he can’t motivate this team?

  98. Gret99zky says:

    Jagr is available.

    Send Calgary our 2nd round pick to get that veteran scoring RW the fan base had been clamoring for.

    Hehe.

    😉

  99. Pouzar says:

    EDM Prospect Watch

    @EDProspectWatch
    7m7 minutes ago
    More EDM Prospect Watch Retweeted Saskatoon Blades
    1G 2A +3 for Cameron Hebig.

  100. JD_Wry says:

    Gret99zky: Hehe

    Better make it a 1st to be sure nobody outbids.

  101. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ellis stops 38/40 in a 4-2 win.

    Big game for him as the crease is about to get crowded down in the Bake.

  102. Pescador says:

    Dicky94:
    Hate to be a “Debbie Downer” but this team could be a couple years away from playoffs. Mini rebuild in progress. Team looks lost. In a bad way.

    Considering how hard Dallas did Edmonton today,
    Debbie makes a good point

  103. Scungilli Slushy says:

    smellyglove:
    On a Have exit from Calgary: he only needs 34 NHL games to be the all time leader!

    Please find him a home.

    Why? If he can’t play well enough he doesn’t deserve to pass Messier who had 43 points his last season 76 games and definitely not Gordie Howe who had 41 in 80 games at 52.

  104. Pescador says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):

    Also, this fanbase is leery of new style coaches thanks to Eakins.

    In fairness to the fan base, dogshit is not a new age style, haha

  105. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Pescador: It doesn’t work that way, the players are to blame no question. But you can’t trade the mall, the ones you can jettison will bring back draft picks, when the players aren’t performing coaches and/or mngmt get fired, that’s just the way it is.
    McLellan has more experience than Nelson but what does that matter if he can’t motivate this team?

    Maybe he could. I don’t think he’s coming back. He’ll wait out Blashill.

  106. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Pescador: In fairness to the fan base, dogshit is not a new age style, haha

    Ha!

    Is there really a new style? I think more old coaches that aren’t good and/or won’t adapt. Eakins himself said there are a few systems, they all work. Hockey isn’t that dynamic.

  107. JD_Wry says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Eakins himself said there are a few systems, they all work.

    He also said that he didn’t want to watch video of his new team from the past season.

  108. Thinker says:

    I think we should be preparing for the possibility that yamamoto doesn’t turn pro next year.

  109. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    OmJo: Barrie is Jultz 2.0. Sheltered minutes and offensive zone starts can explain the season he’s having. He’s also injured and comes with a $5.5M cap hit.

    He wouldn’t last very long here. I don’t think the fanbase, and I include myself here, is patient enough for a defenceman like Barrie. A player who doesn’t necessarily outscore his defensive shortcomings.

    He has flaws. However, he is not Jultz 2.0. That is hyperbole.

    You aren’t going to get a player without some flaws.

    This team already has defensive D types. If you can’t add an offensive puck mover with a few defensive flaws to this mix then you will never be able to do so. Yeah Doughty would be a godsend. But he isn’t coming here.

    We need to be realistic and accept that whatever solutions are out there will not be perfect.

    If we as a fanbase are too impatient for that then we deserve every bit of misery we are getting.

  110. Scungilli Slushy says:

    JD_Wry: He also said that he didn’t want to watch video of his new team from the past season.

    He was a flawed choice. I was very concerned when he went to that NFL camp to ‘learn’. Hires at the highest level of the industry shouldn’t need to look for ideas, they should already know what they are doing IMO.

    Should have been researching his new employer for sure. A weird combo of cocky and under confident.

  111. OriginalPouzar says:

    Thinker:
    I think we should be preparing for the possibility that yamamoto doesn’t turn pro next year.

    I think there is a 0.000001% chance of that happening.

  112. Scungilli Slushy says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): He has flaws. However, he is not Jultz 2.0. That is hyperbole.

    You aren’t going to get a player without some flaws.

    This team already has defensive D types. If you can’t add an offensive puck mover with a few defensive flaws to this mix then you will never be able to do so. Yeah Doughty would be a godsend. But he isn’t coming here.

    We need to be realistic and accept that whatever solutions are out there will not be perfect.

    If we as a fanbase are too impatient for that then we deserve every bit of misery we are getting.

    I concur, and will add that cost has to factor in. I’d rather have an affordable rounded high level player than an a specialist with a higher high and lower lows. A capped league is an efficiency contest.

    When you have McDavid you don’t ‘need’ and probably can’t afford Karlsson. You just need Trouba.

  113. Thinker says:

    Scungilli Slushy: He was a flawed choice. I was very concerned when he went to that NFL camp to ‘learn’. Hires at the highest level of the industry shouldn’t need to look for ideas, they should already know what they are doing IMO.

    Should have been researching his new employer for sure. A weird combo of cocky and under confident.

    That’s a pretty off base shot imo. Fuck that guy, trying to better himself!

  114. Pescador says:

    Thinker:
    I think we should be preparing for the possibility that yamamoto doesn’t turn pro next year.

    Ok, why?

  115. Lowetide says:

    Pescador: Ok, why?

    This is a current meme on the blog. People are disappointed in Yamamoto, so think a FIFTH season at the WHL level will help. I expect he’ll push for an NHL job, as he did this past fall.

  116. OmJo says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): He has flaws. However, he is not Jultz 2.0. That is hyperbole.

    You aren’t going to get a player without some flaws.

    This team already has defensive D types. If you can’t add an offensive puck mover with a few defensive flaws to this mix then you will never be able to do so. Yeah Doughty would be a godsend. But he isn’t coming here.

    We need to be realistic and accept that whatever solutions are out there will not be perfect.

    If we as a fanbase are too impatient for that then we deserve every bit of misery we are getting.

    I mean 2.0 as in a better version. I said here during the summer he is basically the player Schultz was supposed to be when there were rumours of us trading Nuge for him.

    A offensive defenceman making 5.5M who can’t defend and needs to be sheltered with OZone starts for a player like Klefbom or Nuge isn’t the answer to our woes. If he puts up 60pts and ends up – 30 (yes I know, +/- means nothing, I agree) he’s not as good as a player that puts up 20pts and finishes positive. IMO, for whatever its worth.

  117. leadfarmer says:

    Thinker:
    I think we should be preparing for the possibility that yamamoto doesn’t turn pro next year.

    You obviously were in a coma last year when Yamamoto posted top 5 – top 10 offensive stats depending on the category in his league beating the guy taken #2 OV. Sure he may not win an NHL job but he’s already ready for the AHL

  118. Cameron says:

    Dicky94:
    Hate to be a “Debbie Downer” but this team could be a couple years away from playoffs. Mini rebuild in progress. Team looks lost. In a bad way.

    How many rebuilds is this since Pronger? I want to say …five?

  119. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Thinker: That’s a pretty off base shot imo. Fuck that guy, trying to better himself!

    That was not a shot. Better himself sure. People hired to do jobs at the highest level in the world should probably have those skills in their toolkit already. You may feel differently.

    From my take the results speak for themselves. As said above he chose to do that rather than watch tape and learn about the team’s issues which he was hired to fix, which would have been a better idea IMO.

  120. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Lowetide: This is a current meme on the blog. People are disappointed in Yamamoto, so think a FIFTH season at the WHL level will help. I expect he’ll push for an NHL job, as he did this past fall.

    His to lose IMO given the look this year.

  121. Pescador says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Maybe he could. I don’t think he’s coming back. He’ll wait out Blashill.

    I suspect he would take an NHL head coaching job, with assurances. I’m grasping at straws here, I just think that the right coach could light a fire under their asses. McLellan has lost the room, in the sense that their confidence is gone

  122. AsiaOil says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    AsiaOil,

    I don’t think you are being a dick. And if you just tally up goals you are right. I don’t know what to tell you except that I still feel like Hall and Eberle are much bigger offensive threats than Maroon and Lucic.

    Eberle had an outlier career worst year. The problem with Hall is he only plays 65 games a year.

    If you do total goals arithmetic like that you get your answer. If you factor in games played and career ppg you get mine.

    Not saying I am right and you are wrong. But when in the lineup I think the Departed Duo drive more offense.

    Not to say Lucic and Maroon are bad players.

    Agree that they drive more offense, but Ebs in particular is worse defensively and brings nothing else. Goals prevented are worth just as much as goals scored. Hall is a guy who drives offense but Ebs is in one of his more frequent slumps (1 goal in last 9 games) so he would not be helping. Lucic is pretty much matching Hall in goals. I hear your ppg argument and accept it – but Hall is always hurt – fragility is an issue.

    To me this team is a puzzle set with mismatched pieces. Nothing rhymes and nothing fits this year. Spending the first month dinking around with an 18 year old midget on our top line didn’t help. That was a terrible idea and I’d love to know who thought it wasn’t. Goaltending would have covered a lot of sins but we have not gotten it for the most part. If nothing else we have a much better picture of the holes and what individual players bring without being distracted by the success of the latter part of 2016-17. We need more speed/skill in the bottom 6, filling a couple of holes at RHD and RW, and better coaching than has been delivered this season. I’m confident Talbot will be better. Individual development is not a straight line and teams are no different. Hard lessons are being learned all around.

  123. VOR says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): Right now would wager both Maroon and Strome are gone. Strome looks like he has the physical tools to be better but he just doesn’t have ‘it.’ Poor hockey sense, inability to hit the net with a shot when it makes sense. Average skater. Not physical.

    Also, this fanbase is leery of new style coaches thanks to Eakins.

    I really don’t know what the answer is here.

    Let’s start with your premise that Maroon and Strome are gone.

    If so you have to pull the trigger now. Maroon is the trickier player to move. But I’d try moving him and a high pick in 2019, probably a second rounder, for Warren Foegele and Roland McKeown from Carolina.

    McKeown is an unbelievably fast right handed D who is emerging as a star in the AHL. The word coachable comes up a lot. Foegele is a blindingly fast forechecking machine with a deadly accurate and very hard shot. The word coachable follows him around as well. McKeown thinks the game extraordinarily quickly at the AHL level as he did in junior. Foegele is more of a project. Though he is a finisher.

    These are two guys who have overcome multiple challenges to become way above average AHL.
    players.

    Then truthfully I’d go all in on a long shot. I would trade Ryan Strome and the Oilers first rounder in 2019 for Lawson Crouse. The plan is to keep RNH and give him long stay wingers, Crouse on one side and Yamamoto on the other. For now I think the Nuge is stuck with Drake Cagguila.

    I want to make sure I am clear. I would put all three into the Oilers NHL lineup. Foegele gets gifted Maroon’s spot with Puljujarvi and McDavid. I probably forgot to mention he has a great 200 foot game. Which he developed by working his ass off.

    Lucic, Draisaitl and Slepyshev are the second line.

    I will be honest, I am looking for the soul of a new machine. Crouse and Foegele have non-stop motors. Who knows if they can play in the NHL right now but at this stage that isn’t the point.

    Hopefully the players would get the message. We are not firing the coach. We are giving him players who do what the coach says and do it with intent and intensity.

    McKeown is meant some day to be the calm puck mover Oilers fans are praying for. Based on his history he probably will be in over his head this year. But he is a fast learner who keeps elevating his game and has a demonic work ethic. He is another guy with very little quit in his personality.

    Then because I stripped the 2019 draft I’d start trading for draft picks in 2018 because I plan to channel stuff the prospect system with warm bodies. I’d probably try to get late round 2018 picks thrown in to the earlier two deals. I want 10 or 12 picks in this year’s draft. Letestu, Cammy, and who knows who else would be on the chopping block.

    Notice I am not touching the core and I am not firing the coach or GM. I am just giving the coach young men who are coach friendly and the GM tons of cap room. Think of it as a do over.

    Will the Oilers be worse this year? On paper, hell yes. Worst case their draft position will improve considerably.

    Will their compete level be higher? Unquestionably. It is possible that they will actually be better on the scoreboard.

    Which is my real point. The Oilers are beating themselves and part of the problem is those accursed intangibles. This is a team with some on ice issues with effort, consistency, and heart. The only solution is more effort, greater consistency, and yes, a heart transplant.

  124. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    OmJo,

    I did not say for Nuge. I said Klef. That trade would not be available anyway. I said a Barrie type to illustrate a point.

    They should swap a top 4 LHD, of which they have 3 or 4, for a puckmoving RHD.

    Understood re your clarification of the Jultz comparison. 2.0 makes it sound like Jultz version 2. Sequels are usually worse.

  125. Pescador says:

    Lowetide: This is a current meme on the blog. People are disappointed in Yamamoto, so think a FIFTH season at the WHL level will help. I expect he’ll push for an NHL job, as he did this past fall.

    Well, that’s a stupid meme.
    I hope they slow play Yamamoto, little time in the AHL is a good thing

  126. jtblack says:

    Pescador,

    Since draft, I beleive Yammy will follow Tyler Johnson path; draft + 4 was NHL full time.

    We wait

  127. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Pescador: I suspect he would take an NHL head coaching job, with assurances. I’m grasping at straws here, I just think that the right coach could light a fire under their asses. McLellan has lost the room, in the sense that their confidence is gone

    It’s possible. For me that would be Gallant but clearly he’s safe. I think more of the set back has to do with a young core than the coach doing things wrong. And the goalies.

    Chiarelli also didn’t throw him any lifelines in shoring up the roster with more experience. I agree with what Chiarelli did however. This wasn’t realistically a Cup season despite what the bookies said. Nobody expected this much regression.

    Getting the future roster and this summer’s contracts sorted was more important to the future. They should know what they have now.

    Wins – Nurse Khaira JP and of course Nuge
    Losses – Caggiula Slepy Benning Strome

    The way forward is much more clear.

    Benning is fine at 3rds and can still emerge. Caggiula Slepy Strome are 4th liners at this point. None deserve much in contracts. Khaira low but more. Nurse should be locked down at an elite defensive D price. Nuge a keeper.

  128. Lloyd B. says:

    VOR,

    VOR Would you please send your resume to the Oilers!

    So much common sense.

  129. JimmyV1965 says:

    VOR: Let’s start with your premise that Maroon and Strome are gone.

    If so you have to pull the trigger now. Maroon is the trickier player to move. But I’d try moving him and a high pick in 2019, probably a second rounder, for Warren Foegele and Roland McKeown from Carolina.

    McKeown is an unbelievably fast right handed D who is emerging as a star in the AHL. The word coachable comes up a lot. Foegele is a blindingly fast forechecking machine with a deadly accurate and very hard shot. The word coachable follows him around as well. McKeown thinks the game extraordinarily quickly at the AHL level as he did in junior. Foegele is more of a project. Though he is a finisher.

    These are two guys who have overcome multiple challenges to become way above average AHL.
    players.

    Then truthfully I’d go all in on a long shot. I would trade Ryan Strome and the Oilers first rounder in 2019 for Lawson Crouse. The plan is to keep RNH and give him long stay wingers, Crouse on one side and Yamamoto on the other. For now I think the Nuge is stuck with Drake Cagguila.

    I want to make sure I am clear. I would put all three into the Oilers NHL lineup. Foegele gets gifted Maroon’s spot with Puljujarvi and McDavid. I probably forgot to mention he has a great 200 foot game. Which he developed by working his ass off.

    Lucic, Draisaitl and Slepyshev are the second line.

    I will be honest, I am looking for the soul of a new machine. Crouse and Foegele have non-stop motors. Who knows if they can play in the NHL right now but at this stage that isn’t the point.

    Hopefully the players would get the message. We are not firing the coach. We are giving him players who do what the coach says and do it with intent and intensity.

    McKeown is meant some day to be the calm puck mover Oilers fans are praying for. Based on his history he probably will be in over his head this year. But he is a fast learner who keeps elevating his game and has a demonic work ethic. He is another guy with very little quit in his personality.

    Then because I stripped the 2019 draft I’d start trading for draft picks in 2018 because I plan to channel stuff the prospect system with warm bodies. I’d probably try to get late round 2018 picks thrown in to the earlier two deals. I want 10 or 12 picks in this year’s draft. Letestu, Cammy, and who knows who else would be on the chopping block.

    Notice I am not touching the core and I am not firing the coach or GM. I am just giving the coach young men who are coach friendly and the GM tons of cap room. Think of it as a do over.

    Will the Oilers be worse this year? On paper, hell yes. Worst case their draft position will improve considerably.

    Will their compete level be higher? Unquestionably. It is possible that they will actually be better on the scoreboard.

    Which is my real point. The Oilers are beating themselves and part of the problem is those accursed intangibles. This is a team with some on ice issues with effort, consistency, and heart. The only solution is more effort, greater consistency, and yes, a heart transplant.

    Done. You’re hired!!! I kid, but IMO this is exactly the kind of thing we need to do. Trade UFAs for good prospects, whose skill sets are maybe duplicated with the big club. We don’t need picks coming back because the timeline is five years. I like Crouse, but a first is a hefty price. I think Maroon will become a highly sought after piece at the deadline. If I’m serious about a cup run this is exactly the kind of guy I want.

  130. Thinker says:

    Pescador: Ok, why?

    Too short to ride the roller coaster.

  131. VOR says:

    JimmyV1965: Done. You’re hired!!! I kid, but IMO this is exactly the kind of thing we need to do. Trade UFAs for good prospects, whose skill sets are maybe duplicated with the big club. We don’t need picks coming back because the timeline is five years. I like Crouse, but a first is a hefty price. I think Maroon will become a highly sought after piece at the deadline. If I’m serious about a cup run this is exactly the kind of guy I want.

    I think Carolina is very serious about the playoffs and making some noise when they get there. Maroon would have great value to them. If he wasn’t a free agent, at his current salary Carolina would say send him on over (even though they have enormous depth at LW they have nobody like Maroon). Giving up Foegele still leaves them with lots of great young wingers. McKeown is buried in their system. But Maroon is a free agent and thus worth less to a team with both short and long term cup aspirations than if he were signed long term.

    What I am trying to do in this model is build a great possession team. I don’t mean a great corsi team but rather a team that has the puck in their possession most of the time. Crouse and Foegele are great at protecting the puck, joining McDavid, Draisaitl, Puljujarvi and Nuge as dominant possession players. Yamamoto, whatever else, showed us he was a possession monster during his time in the NHL.

    I am also trying to increase team speed.

  132. Extend Russell says:

    Man
    You guys see our team today ??
    They were the suckiest bunch’s sucks that ever sucked !

    Also
    Maybe Talbot isn’t better than a really good backup. Js

    And before you say the team left him to hang remember this. You need to make a save sometimes. Ya just do .

  133. Diablo says:

    VOR: I think Carolina is very serious about the playoffs and making some noise when they get there. Maroon would have great value to them. If he wasn’t a free agent, at his current salary Carolina would say send him on over (even though they have enormous depth at LW they have nobody like Maroon).Giving up Foegele still leaves them with lots of great young wingers. McKeown is buried in their system. But Maroon is a free agent and thus worth less to a team with both short and long term cup aspirations than if he were signed long term.

    What I am trying to do in this model is build a great possession team. I don’t mean a great corsi team but rather a team that has the puck in their possession most of the time. Crouse and Foegele are great at protecting the puck, joining McDavid, Draisaitl, Puljujarvi and Nuge as dominant possession players. Yamamoto, whatever else, showed us he was a possession monster during his time in the NHL.

    I am also trying to increase team speed.

    I like where you’re going with this … though I’d be disappointed if they had to add a 2nd rounder in 2019 to get a couple of AHL players.

    Maroon is going to be a major chip for Chia – a real test.

    I think St. Louis is another hard target, given they have been looking to add another piece to their top 6. Some talk about them sniffing around Hoffman, but I don’t see how they can take on the contract. Maroon on the other hand would fit like a glove, adding some snarl back to their lineup after losing Backes, and is a St. Louis native – lots to like there in their prospect system …Thomas, Kyrou, Kostin, Sanford, Schmaltz. Perhaps they’d even part with Fabbri.

    A top 6 winger with size on a very cap friendly contract that even the most cap-strapped teams should be able to shoehorn in, and is “good in the locker-room” … a good GM turns this player into a a huge bounty.

    We wait.

  134. Diablo says:

    Extend Russell:

    You need to make a save sometimes. Ya just do .

    This – Talbot has been poor all year, and is a major reason why this team is in the cellar.

  135. Gerta Rauss says:

    Diablo: A top 6 winger with size on a very cap friendly contract that even the most cap-strapped teams should be able to shoehorn in, and is “good in the locker-room” … a good GM turns this player into a a huge bounty

    Agreed

    And the option of retaining salary and/or taking back an expiring contract-Maroon should be able to return a nice piece

  136. JimmyV1965 says:

    VOR: Foegele

    VOR: I think Carolina is very serious about the playoffs and making some noise when they get there. Maroon would have great value to them. If he wasn’t a free agent, at his current salary Carolina would say send him on over (even though they have enormous depth at LW they have nobody like Maroon).Giving up Foegele still leaves them with lots of great young wingers. McKeown is buried in their system. But Maroon is a free agent and thus worth less to a team with both short and long term cup aspirations than if he were signed long term.

    What I am trying to do in this model is build a great possession team. I don’t mean a great corsi team but rather a team that has the puck in their possession most of the time. Crouse and Foegele are great at protecting the puck, joining McDavid, Draisaitl, Puljujarvi and Nuge as dominant possession players. Yamamoto, whatever else, showed us he was a possession monster during his time in the NHL.

    I am also trying to increase team speed.

    This is probably my biggest frustration with the Oil. Why can’t we get a guy like Foegele in the third round? And I know you’ve discussed this extensively and I know some of its luck and a lot development, but looking at our farm team is so frickin frustrating. Having said that, I like the way Chia has drafted. But his first picks are still two years away. I only hope Chia had the sense to target guys like Foegele.

  137. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    Lloyd B.:
    VOR,

    VOR Would you please send your resume to the Oilers!

    So much common sense.

    I second that motion.

  138. Munny says:

    VOR: Let’s start with your premise that Maroon and Strome are gone.

    If so you have to pull the trigger now. Maroon is the trickier player to move. But I’d try moving him and a high pick in 2019, probably a second rounder, for Warren Foegele and Roland McKeown from Carolina.

    McKeown is an unbelievably fast right handed D who is emerging as a star in the AHL. The word coachable comes up a lot. Foegele is a blindingly fast forechecking machine with a deadly accurate and very hard shot. The word coachable follows him around as well. McKeown thinks the game extraordinarily quickly at the AHL level as he did in junior. Foegele is more of a project. Though he is a finisher.

    These are two guys who have overcome multiple challenges to become way above average AHL.
    players.

    Then truthfully I’d go all in on a long shot. I would trade Ryan Strome and the Oilers first rounder in 2019 for Lawson Crouse. The plan is to keep RNH and give him long stay wingers, Crouse on one side and Yamamoto on the other. For now I think the Nuge is stuck with Drake Cagguila.

    I want to make sure I am clear. I would put all three into the Oilers NHL lineup. Foegele gets gifted Maroon’s spot with Puljujarvi and McDavid. I probably forgot to mention he has a great 200 foot game. Which he developed by working his ass off.

    Lucic, Draisaitl and Slepyshev are the second line.

    I will be honest, I am looking for the soul of a new machine. Crouse and Foegele have non-stop motors. Who knows if they can play in the NHL right now but at this stage that isn’t the point.

    Hopefully the players would get the message. We are not firing the coach. We are giving him players who do what the coach says and do it with intent and intensity.

    McKeown is meant some day to be the calm puck mover Oilers fans are praying for. Based on his history he probably will be in over his head this year. But he is a fast learner who keeps elevating his game and has a demonic work ethic. He is another guy with very little quit in his personality.

    Then because I stripped the 2019 draft I’d start trading for draft picks in 2018 because I plan to channel stuff the prospect system with warm bodies. I’d probably try to get late round 2018 picks thrown in to the earlier two deals. I want 10 or 12 picks in this year’s draft. Letestu, Cammy, and who knows who else would be on the chopping block.

    Notice I am not touching the core and I am not firing the coach or GM. I am just giving the coach young men who are coach friendly and the GM tons of cap room. Think of it as a do over.

    Will the Oilers be worse this year? On paper, hell yes. Worst case their draft position will improve considerably.

    Will their compete level be higher? Unquestionably. It is possible that they will actually be better on the scoreboard.

    Which is my real point. The Oilers are beating themselves and part of the problem is those accursed intangibles. This is a team with some on ice issues with effort, consistency, and heart. The only solution is more effort, greater consistency, and yes, a heart transplant.

    Make it so, Number One.

  139. Thinker says:

    While I can get behind the carolina kids, I must be misinformed on Lawson Crouse. Are we talking about the one from McDavid’s draft, or is there another one who is actually good?

  140. Admiral Ackbar says:

    How many more blowouts must we endure? When is this no longer OK (according to management)?

  141. Thinker says:

    JimmyV1965:
    This is probably my biggest frustration with the Oil. Why can’t we get a guy like Foegele in the third round? And I know you’ve discussed this extensively and I know some of its luck and a lot development, but looking at our farm team is so frickin frustrating. Having said that, I like the way Chia hasdrafted. But his first picks are still two years away. I only hope Chia had the sense to target guys like Foegele.

    We have. Slepyshev, Khaira, davidson, rieder, les LD, pitlick, etc. It’s closer to 1 per year than people give credit. Problem is the Oilers do stupid things at the pro level in terms of player retention (Yakimov, Paigin, Hartikainen etc), stupid trades (rieder for kesey), shitty integration into the big team (Lander, Paajarvi, Yak)-this is actually widely neglected but the Oilers often put prospects in the absolute worst position to succeed at the nhl level- and some questionable development choices at the AHL level (In seven years they couldn’t convert the team into one that is mostly prospects and competitive). One theme that I keep noticing is in regards to European players. Why bother drafting them is you treat them like shit when they come over? These are all things I hoped the forensic audit would address, but none of them have. It really goes far beyond the OBC.

  142. Thinker says:

    Admiral Ackbar:
    How many more blowouts must we endure? When is this no longer OK (according to management)?

    It’s a trap!

  143. SwedishPoster says:

    Thinker:
    While I can get behind the carolina kids, I must be misinformed on Lawson Crouse. Are we talking about the one from McDavid’s draft, or is there another one who is actually good?

    Yeah not a fan of Crouse either. Will be a good 4th liner I guess but unless he has found some magic mojo in the AHL I don’t see enough skill to ever produce in the top 9.

    Granted my view on Crouse has always differed from the scouting community and hockey people in general. So what do I know.

  144. JimmyV1965 says:

    Thinker: We have. Slepyshev, Khaira, davidson, rieder, les LD, pitlick, etc. It’s closer to 1 per year than people give credit. Problem is the Oilers do stupid things at the pro level in terms of player retention (Yakimov, Paigin, Hartikainen etc), stupid trades (rieder for kesey), shitty integration into the big team (Lander, Paajarvi, Yak)-this is actually widely neglected but the Oilers often put prospects in the absolute worst position to succeed at the nhl level- and some questionable development choices at the AHL level (In seven years they couldn’t convert the team into one that is mostly prospects and competitive). One theme that I keep noticing is in regards to European players. Why bother drafting them is you treat them like shit when they come over? These are all things I hoped the forensic audit would address, but none of them have. It really goes far beyond the OBC.

    Here’s an interesting exercise. Look at any roster in the NHL and see how many good players they drafted late. I mean top 6 forwards and top 4 dmen. And then compare those to the Oil. It’s frickin bizarre. Certainly almost all the playoff teams have impact players drafted after the first round. Surprising exceptions are the Jets and Caps. Those teams, however, have drafted exceptionally well in the first round.

    Sure we’ve developed a few third and fourth liners, but that’s it. How can a team be so utterly bad at drafting and developing? You think they would get lucky occasionally. I guess lots of it is development. Again, I reserve judgement on Chia because it’s too early to tell and the arrows are hopeful.

  145. McSorley33 says:

    A few short weeks ago, some were calling this team ‘elite’.

    And some were giving the old platitude….’calm our tits’.

    Now, they are prescribing remedies.

    How very odd.

  146. McSorley33 says:

    Trade Letestu and Maroon for picks/prospects?

    Great idea.

    Old, but still great…

  147. OriginalPouzar says:

    Game Day – Here is hoping for a better performance (and better execution) than yesterday.

  148. OriginalPouzar says:

    Benson does hit the scoresheet with an assist last night.

  149. JimmyV1965 says:

    McSorley33:
    Trade Letestu and Maroon for picks/prospects?

    Great idea.

    Old, but still great…

    They are UFAs next year. If you aren’t going to make the playoffs, you kinda gotta trade them.

  150. OriginalPouzar says:

    Safin had a goal last night – I didn’t realize he was back with SJ until this morning.

  151. OriginalPouzar says:

    JimmyV1965: They are UFAs next year. If you aren’t going to make the playoffs, you kinda gotta trade them.

    Oh yes, trading them for futures is an absolute must – even if the draft wasn’t as strong and deep as it purports to be.

    This spring will be huge for helping stock our prospect pool.

  152. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    VOR, you are very much respected and given people’s reactions they love the smell of what you are cooking.

    But Lawson Crouse I have not seen play since his draft year. I plead ignorance but my understanding was he has not done anything to warrant that kind of price on the trade market?

    Carolina has some good, young pieces on D but they are building slowly and the right way. They need a C more than a guy like Maroon. I don’t believe for a second they give up a D prospect for a rental wing.
    They are more likely to move a Fleury or Pesce for a good young C and use McKeown to replace that hole.

  153. GMB3 says:

    TheWholeLoafIsToast:
    So what’s the +/- for Nicholson & Gretzky “ol’ Yellering” TMac? Right now? Tomorrow after the bloodletting in Chicago?
    As much as the base here blames Chia and Todd, no gord darned way can I lay this calamity at their feet. Way too many young fellas making way to much money. McDavid is uber talented and all but they kid isn’t cut from the cloth to be a captain yet, Leon isn’t worth the $8.5 mil either.
    What a damn shame, a somewhat decent coach will lose his job due to youthful inexperienced players. Unfreakingreal.

    That’s kind of how professional sports work. You could argue Mclellan is compensated extremely well for what he does yet, if the players are so inexperienced, maybe he isn’t doing enough of the right things to teach these players how to become better hockey players?

  154. GMB3 says:

    Thinker: We have. Slepyshev, Khaira, davidson, rieder, les LD, pitlick, etc. It’s closer to 1 per year than people give credit. Problem is the Oilers do stupid things at the pro level in terms of player retention (Yakimov, Paigin, Hartikainen etc), stupid trades (rieder for kesey), shitty integration into the big team (Lander, Paajarvi, Yak)-this is actually widely neglected but the Oilers often put prospects in the absolute worst position to succeed at the nhl level- and some questionable development choices at the AHL level (In seven years they couldn’t convert the team into one that is mostly prospects and competitive). One theme that I keep noticing is in regards to European players. Why bother drafting them is you treat them like shit when they come over? These are all things I hoped the forensic audit would address, but none of them have. It really goes far beyond the OBC.

    I agree with this 100%. It’s galling.

  155. GMB3 says:

    I’m all for the doom and gloom, lets wallow in it together.

    I don’t always have much of value to add here, I honestly do enjoy antagonizing several posters here (mainly because I think they are filled to the ears with shit), but one thing one of my best coaches during my college career told me was “you’re not as good as you are when you are at your best, and you’re not as bad as you are when you’re at your worst”.

    This team is in a hell of a downward spiral right now and changes do need to be made, but the recent play isn’t indicative of the talent level of the core players on this team. This is a young team and I imagine they’ve let every negative so far snowball and really effect the room. (This is why I find the narrative of russell and Lucic being such great leaders to be utter bullshit, what is Lucic saying at “the head of the table” right now)

  156. JimmyV1965 says:

    GMB3:
    I’m all for the doom and gloom, lets wallow in it together.

    I don’t always have much of value to add here, I honestly do enjoy antagonizing several posters here (mainly because I think they are filled to the ears with shit), but one thing one of my best coaches during my college career told me was “you’re not as good as you are when you are at your best, and you’re not as bad as you are when you’re at your worst”.

    This team is in a hell of a downward spiral right now and changes do need to be made, but the recent play isn’t indicative of the talent level of the core players on this team. This is a young team and I imagine they’ve let every negative so far snowball and really effect the room. (This is why I find the narrative of russell and Lucic being such great leaders to be utter bullshit, what is Lucic saying at “the head of the table” right now)

    I think you’re 100% correct about this. The biggest issue with the team is between their ears. What’s the best solution moving forward? The Tampa approach? Do nothing and see if it sorts itself out. Or the Dallas approach. Fire the coach and bring in a new voice. I’m not sure. I could be wrong about this, but I do think Cooper is a better coach than Tmac or Ruff. And Chia has clearly made some blunders along the way. But he has also improved the team as well.

  157. OriginalPouzar says:

    I was one of the few/many that didn’t buy the hype this off-season and predicted a step back. I didn’t predict what has happened and how bad the season has been but I didn’t think the playoffs were a lock and I felt they could be anywhere from 1st in the conference to fighting for a wild card birth. I didn’t see them fighting to stay out of a bottom 5 position in the NHL though.

    I guess what I’m getting at is that I agree they aren’t as bad as they have shown this year (and, of course, aren’t as good as they showed last year).

    I don’t believe they need to blow up the core of this team, I believe they need to build around the core, being – McDavid, Drai, Nuge, Puljijarvi, Klef, Larsson, Nurse.

    The only way any of those players get traded is for a trade that has to be made due to extreme value (or a guy like Klef or Nurse traded for a RHD – but the trade must be value, no more draining value).

    We build around that core.

    I know the fan-base doesn’t want to hear the word but we have to be patient – yes, again. Unfourtunatly, there isn’t much money to make any material improvements over the next year and we will likely need to stay the course and wait for a combo of: money coming off the books or being moved (i.e. Russell, Sekera, Lucic), the cap rising materially and our current and future prospects developing.

    We have some nice D-man perculating in the AHL (Bear, Jones) and SEL (Berglund, Lagesson) and OHL (Samorukov).

    We have some nice forward prospects in junior who will turn pro next year (Benson, Yamamoto) and then the year after (Maksimov, Safin) and we will get a huge talent (perhaps even elite or maybe generational) with our 1st pick this year and should accumulate picks for more influx of talent.

    We will have a gap for the next year or two were there is minimal money to improve and our prospects are developing but with our core, this team will be a contender in a few years as long as our current GM doesn’t make a “save the day” or “save his job” type move in the next bit.

    Go Oilers!

  158. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    I agree OP. We are on the same page on this. I thought the Oil would be battling for the wild card. I did not buy the hype either. I thought the team was slightly worse on paper this year and that last year the injury free team and Talbot on fire was lightning in a bottle. They overachieved too soon.

    Unfortunately I think that gave management a false sense of security and they did not do enough to improve the team.

    I thought they’d be a bubble playoff team. Did not think it would be bottom 5 tire fire.

    But like Winnipeg or Tampa before that I see this as a setback year before another step forward. Retool. Keep the core. Move a LHD for a similarRHD if a fit can be found.

  159. OriginalPouzar says:

    The coaching staff may need to go and maybe the GM – I don’t know – but I don’t believe the core of the team needs to be blown up.

    Goaltending has been a big factor in each of last year and this year – the question is, which Talbot is the real Talbot. We may need to wait until next year, his contract year, to find out.

  160. hunter1909 says:

    Current Hunter1909’s Death March Top Ten!

    1 Yeti 69 .4207
    2 Mr Debakey 85 .5183
    Cash-McMoney! 85 .5183
    Romulus Apotheosis 85 .5183
    5 TCHO 87 .5305
    Younger Oil 87 .5305
    7 HT Joe 88 .5366
    8 Flea 89 .5427
    9 Jaxon 90 .5488
    Jake 70 90 .5488

    To see more, go to http://www.oilersdeathmarch.com

  161. frjohnk says:

    hunter1909:
    Current Hunter1909’s Death March Top Ten!

    1Yeti69.4207
    2Mr Debakey85.5183
    Cash-McMoney!85.5183
    Romulus Apotheosis85.5183
    5TCHO87.5305
    Younger Oil87.5305
    7HT Joe88.5366
    8Flea89.5427
    9Jaxon90.5488
    Jake 7090.5488

    To see more, go to http://www.oilersdeathmarch.com

    I picked 97 points.

    Felt there would be a step back, but still a playoff bubble team.

    Unless we were to hit injuries like in 15-16 I was not expecting this.

    We shouldn’t blow the core up but must also realize that we could still not have a top pairing Dman or possibly a number 1 goalie heading into next year.

    If coach and /or GM are not fired, what will change so that this does not happen next year?

    If they are fired, what will the new coach/GM do differently so this does not happen next year.

    Some big questions and they need to be answered above China’s head.

  162. Yeti says:

    hunter1909:
    Current Hunter1909’s Death March Top Ten!

    1Yeti69.4207
    2Mr Debakey85.5183
    Cash-McMoney!85.5183
    Romulus Apotheosis85.5183
    5TCHO87.5305
    Younger Oil87.5305
    7HT Joe88.5366
    8Flea89.5427
    9Jaxon90.5488
    Jake 7090.5488

    To see more, go to http://www.oilersdeathmarch.com

    Somehow I don’t feel much like celebrating.

  163. hunter1909 says:

    frjohnk: I picked 97 points.

    Felt there would be a step back, but still a playoff bubble team.

    Unless we were to hit injuries like in 15-16 I was not expecting this.

    We shouldn’t blow the core up but must also realize that we could still not have a top pairing Dman or possibly a number 1 goalie heading into next year.

    If coach and /or GM are not fired, what will change so that this does not happen next year?

    If they are fired, what will the new coach/GM do differently so this does not happen next year.

    Some big questions and they need to be answered above China’s head.

    97 points places you at 60th place which means you’re in the top 21% out of 288 Death Marchers.

    There are 220+ Death Marchers with worse math than you have.

  164. hunter1909 says:

    Yeti: Somehow I don’t feel much like celebrating.

    It’s incredible that you are the only one out of 300 who predicts them at an even worse record that they currently have.

    This has been the case for most of the season.

  165. Dustylegnd says:

    GMB3:
    I’m all for the doom and gloom, lets wallow in it together.

    This team is in a hell of a downward spiral right now and changes do need to be made, but the recent play isn’t indicative of the talent level of the core players on this team. This is a young team and I imagine they’ve let every negative so far snowball and really effect the room. (This is why I find the narrative of russell and Lucic being such great leaders to be utter bullshit, what is Lucic saying at “the head of the table” right now)

    Yes indeed, the old school guys like Stauffer will tell you what a great signing Lucic was, “holds people accountable in the room”, “protects Conner” etc etc, Stauffer took great glee in pointing out the success of the Oil and failures of the Devils after the Hall trade, particularly goal differential, and the lack of improvement in the standings for the Devils last year…..what a difference a year makes

    As most of us suspected, intangibles are nonsense if you have a mentally mature, confident group already in place…..if you have to sign a Lucic to hold players accountable you have an existing problem that is akin to cancer and your organization is fucked to start with

    This team needs people who can score goals, our 12.5 million dollar man is not a natural goal scorer and it would appear that neither is our 8.5 million dollar man…this is a problem….tangibles…the ability to score goals would seem to be under rated by our management…exhibit A Brayden Point…3rd round pick 21 years old…more goals than any Oiler…..Alberta boy, played under our Westen centric brain trust, and is the exact kind of player we need to find…depressing

  166. Whatif says:

    In watching the scrum between McDavid and Hamhuis it was nice to see that Lucic (Lucy) had a front row seat.

    Given that the game was out of reach, perhaps it would have been a good time to send a message to Dallas and the rest of the league that mugging McDavid is not acceptable. So much for the league and the Oilers protecting their franchise player.

    To lose is one thing but to lose like wimps is a whole other deal.

    Tell me again why we are paying Lucy big bucks.

  167. Mr. D. says:

    Remember we are going softer and faster. Apparently it’s not working.

    Whatif:
    In watching the scrum between McDavid and Hamhuis it was nice to see that Lucic (Lucy) had a front row seat.

    Given that the game was out of reach, perhaps it would have been a good time to send a message to Dallas and the rest of the league that mugging McDavid is not acceptable. So much for the league and the Oilers protecting their franchise player.

    To lose is one thing but to lose like wimps is a whole other deal.

    Tell me again why we are paying Lucy big bucks.

    Whatif:
    In watching the scrum between McDavid and Hamhuis it was nice to see that Lucic (Lucy) had a front row seat.

    Given that the game was out of reach, perhaps it would have been a good time to send a message to Dallas and the rest of the league that mugging McDavid is not acceptable. So much for the league and the Oilers protecting their franchise player.

    To lose is one thing but to lose like wimps is a whole other deal.

    Tell me again why we are paying Lucy big bucks.

  168. Pouzar says:

    Thinker: We have. Slepyshev, Khaira, davidson, rieder, les LD, pitlick, etc. It’s closer to 1 per year than people give credit. Problem is the Oilers do stupid things at the pro level in terms of player retention (Yakimov, Paigin, Hartikainen etc), stupid trades (rieder for kesey), shitty integration into the big team (Lander, Paajarvi, Yak)-this is actually widely neglected but the Oilers often put prospects in the absolute worst position to succeed at the nhl level- and some questionable development choices at the AHL level (In seven years they couldn’t convert the team into one that is mostly prospects and competitive). One theme that I keep noticing is in regards to European players. Why bother drafting them is you treat them like shit when they come over? These are all things I hoped the forensic audit would address, but none of them have. It really goes far beyond the OBC.

    I think this is bang-frickin-on.

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