G45 2017-18: Oilers at Coyotes

If you look at this morning’s standings, and try to create a scenario where the Edmonton Oilers make the playoffs, you are sitting in the ‘fiction’ section of your sofa or kitchen table. That’s a fact. I keep reading stories about the Oilers needing to win tonight, and tomorrow, and wonder if some of us have gone bananas. If the Oilers make the playoffs, I’ll eat my 8-Track (it’s a car 8-Track, lots of dust and some oil on it) with soy milk. That means I’m pretty damned sure about this thing.

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RED RUM, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • January 2016: 2-2-1, goal differential -2 (5 points)
  • January 2017: 2-3-0, goal differential -4 (4 points)
  • January 2018: 1-4-0, goal differential -13 (2 points)

G6 in January 2016 was a 2-1 shootout loss to the San Jose Sharks. Last season saw the Oilers win 3-2 in overtime against New Jersey (Leon and McDavid teaming up). Tonight you’d like to see a win and that goal differential get under control. If the draft lottery was today, Edmonton would be in position No. 4. They’re going to get a very good player. More in a minute.

AFTER 45, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers 15-16: 17-23-4, goal differential -26 (38 points)
  • Oilers 16-17: 22-15-7, goal differential +7 (51 points)
  • Oilers 17-18: 18-23-3, goal differential -24 (39 points)

G45 in 15-16 was a 2-1 shootout loss against San Jose as per above, and last year it was a 2-1 shootout win over the Calgary Flames. If Edmonton loses tonight, the club will be in a flat-footed tie with the 15-16 team, unthinkable that could happen for this Edmonton team. A good game against Nashville earlier in the week offers hope and yet this Oilers team has been consistently inconsistent all year long.

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM JANUARY

  • At home to: Los Angeles, Anaheim (Expected 0-1-1) (Actual 1-1-0)
  • On the road to: Dallas, Chicago, Nashville, Arizona, Vegas (Expected 2-2-1) (Actual 0-3-0)
  • At home to: Vancouver, Buffalo, Calgary (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 4-4-2, 10 points in 10 games
  • Current results: 1-4-0, two points in five games

Entering play tonight, Edmonton is 11 points behind Calgary, who have a game in hand and hold the No. 8 spot in the Western Conference. The Oilers are also 11 points behind Minnesota, 9 points behind Chicago, 8 points behind Colorado and Anaheim. All but Minnesota have games in hand on Edmonton.

Back in the spring, when he reached his peak as an Oilers player, Anton Slepyshev was playing well in playoff games. After he scored in the clincher against San Jose, I wrote the following:

  • Anton Slepyshev is emerging this spring as a real option for the Oilers on RW. What does that do to the depth chart? Leon, JP, Kassian, Slepyshev next year? Could be. We may also see Eberle, JP, Kassian, Slepyshev, this allowing Leon back to center. Source

I liked the Slepyshev scouting report back when Corey Pronman wrote about him the year before the Russian winger was drafted. That said, during his NHL career he’s been scoring at a 1.14/60 5×5 rate. Even his playoff run that featured 3 goals saw him post at 1.37/60 5×5. Is he a failed prospect? I don’t think so.

I’m always about giving 500 at-bats to youngsters, that’s basically an entire season (82 games, say 1200 minutes). Slepyshev is at around 760 minutes, for me it’s too soon to know.

  • Slepyshev with McDavid 5×5: 42:52 minutes, 1-1-2 (2.81)
  • Slepsyhev with Draisaitl 5×5: 134:02 minutes, 3-2-5 (2.24)
  • Slepsyhev with Nuge 5×5: 119:41 minutes, 1-3-4 (2.01)
  • (NaturalStatTrick)

He has played 40 percent of his 5×5 time with these men, and is over 2.00/60 with each of them (some overlap).

IT’S A MISTAKE!

The Oilers committed in summer to a series of auditions, we’ve seen Kailer Yamamoto, Jesse Puljujarvi, Jujhar Khaira, Anton Slepsyhev and Nathan Walker get at least some playing time. I’ve disagreed with a few things (Oilers should have sent Yamamoto to junior after one or two preseason games) and was flat out wrong on Jujhar Khaira (to my delight).

Through it all, Peter Chiarelli has remained true to the auditions, even (in my opinion) when his coach was less than thrilled with the options available. This move, announcing that Anton Slepyshev is available for trade, runs counter to all the things the general manager held as being vital to this season (finding inexpensive value contracts on the wings).

I have no idea if Anton Slepyshev is going to have an NHL career, but a team with an analytics department and a need has an enormous advantage over the rest of the pack. That ‘pack’ includes your Edmonton Oilers, with the Slepyshev decision offering confirmation.

 LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, we’re back! First Lowdown since last Friday, we’re drunk with guests! Scheduled to appear:
  • Steve Lansky, BigMouthSports. Oilers in a world of hurt.
  • Rob Vollman, ESPN & NHL.com. Did he really suggest trading Auston Matthews?
  • Paul Bissonnette, Coyotes broadcasts. The one, the only.
  • Matt Iwanyk, TSN1260. Point Counter Point discusses the members of Edmonton’s inner circle cluster. Who belongs? Who no longer belongs?

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  1. OmJo says:

    G’Oilers!

  2. OmJo says:

    If the Oilers make the playoffs, I’ll eat my 8-Track (it’s a car 8-Track, lots of dust and some oil on it) with soy milk. That means I’m pretty damned sure about this thing.

    After what baggedmilk got himself into I’d be careful about making promises like this lol

  3. OmJo says:

    So if we lose in regulation today we are back at 15-16 pace.

    Do we need another culture change?

  4. OriginalPouzar says:

    I think the Oil might actually sweep this weekend’s games.

    They played very well in NSH last game and were the better team for 40 minutes. Often a team starts to play better and loses some games they might have deserved to win before they end a losing streak.

    On the other hand, maybe they only score 2 goals this week – I guess we’ll have to tune in to see.

    Based on practice yesterday, the lines will be the same as the Pred game.

    Go Oilers.

  5. OriginalPouzar says:

    So much angst in Oiler Country regarding the potential trade of a former third round pick that has not been able to establish himself in the NHL after 4-5 years post draft.

    Lots of good skills – so far not able to put it together and grab any opportunity he’s been given.

    I like the player but he is highly overrated in this community based on results.

    He’s got time to establish himself but it is running out – he’s not young.

  6. Lowetide says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I think the Oil might actually sweep this weekend’s games.

    They played very well in NSH last game and were the better team for 40 minutes.Often a team starts to play better and loses some games they might have deserved to win before they end a losing streak.

    On the other hand, maybe they only score 2 goals this week – I guess we’ll have to tune in to see.

    Based on practice yesterday, the lines will be the same as the Pred game.

    Go Oilers.

    One thing I’ve learned about this year’s team: They are consistently inconsistent. Played well enough to win in Nashville, they could easily throw tonight’s game away.

  7. OmJo says:

    Anton Slepyshev, when playing on a line with one of the three prime centers, has scored over 2.00/60 in his NHL time. He has played 40 percent of his 5×5 time with these men, scoring 5-6-11 in a little under 200 minutes. That’s good production, ladies and men.

    This is why I’m so frustrated with the development of this organization. They expect Russian players to defy the laws of physics and produce the same playing with Letestu as they do playing with McDavid. And God forbid they make a single mistake on the ice.

    This is Yakupov all over again.

    I hope Slepyshev gets traded to a team that will use him and help him develop into a useful NHL player.

    The idea that we’re trading away another winger, unless another is coming back, is utterly ridiculous. Smfh.

  8. frjohnk says:

    8th spot on pace to hit 95 points.

    We would need to get 56 points in the last 38 games to hit 95 points.

    Thats a 1.47 points per game average.

    Thats what Tampa Bay has done for the first half of the season.

    That 8Track will be safe.

  9. OmJo says:

    frjohnk,

    So you’re saying there’s a chance?

  10. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    WC standings using points %, shown at “games over .500”

    VGK 19
    WPG 15
    NSH 14
    LAK 11
    SJS 8 – 3rd in Pacific
    STL 9
    DAL 8
    CGY 7 – 2nd wildcard spot
    ——————-
    COL 6
    MIN 6
    CHI 5
    ANA 4
    EDM -5
    VAN -5
    ARI -17

    A quirk in the schedule where SJS has played 6 games less than STL so are ahead of them in pts%, but have one fewer game over .500

    EDM is 13 games behind 3rd in the Pacific and 12 behind the 2nd wildcard spot.

    If anyone wants bet on EDM making it, take the bet. You need odds worse than 98-1 to make that bet not profitable.

    So happily take 10-1 (“my $1000 to your $100”) and laugh all the way to the bank.

    Also,

    The Edmonton Oilers are a team in the National Hockey Leauge.

    GOILERS!!!

    *clap,clap*

  11. Scungilli Slushy says:

    I wonder if the trade email is driven by Slepy. He may have said play me or trade me or I’m going home. This is where the disconnect is I think with ‘Russians’. I think that they have to feel respected or they want out.

    I remember reading a piece where Babcock talked about how he dealt with Datsyuk. Babcock had to put effort into that relationship to keep him happy. Not that Slepy is like Datsyuk, but you get the idea.

    I get that Slepy didn’t do what he should have to impress when they did use him lately, mainly skate his ass off and get in the middle of things.

    But if that is the criteria for success they will miss on a lot of players. Some guys need to play to get established, like Khaira. I think Slepy needed a run of games with players that can play and lots of coaching. I would not be surprised that he feels he is better than or as good as some guys getting at bats, which would aggravate him.

    Maybe they did the coaching part, but it seems a lot of guys are struggling with their games. At the end of the day it’s up to the players to accommodate, but good coaching staffs get the best out of what they have and develop latent talents.

    Good players aren’t falling out of the skies these days. Especially big fast guys with skill, like Slepy and Pitlick. And for goodness sake, Swedish told us Slepy mostly played LW, why not play him there?

    I feel like I’m at a tipping point. If they manage to trade him and the return is a plugger, I might have to unplug for a while until the carnage is done.

  12. geowal says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    So much angst in Oiler Country regarding the potential trade of a former third round pick that has not been able to establish himself in the NHL after 4-5 years post draft.

    Lots of good skills –so far not able to put it together and grab any opportunity he’s been given.

    I like the player but he is highly overrated in this community based on results.

    He’s got time to establish himself but it is running out – he’s not young.

    Anton Slepyshev, when playing on a line with one of the three prime centers, has scored over 2.00/60 in his NHL time. He has played 40 percent of his 5×5 time with these men, scoring 5-6-11 in a little under 200 minutes. That’s good production, ladies and men.

  13. McSorley33 says:

    Win?

    Make the Playoffs?

    Let’s see if we can score – 2 goals – in regulation first.

  14. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Another problem for the team is that the way the coaches are depressing play from some guys (we see them do better elsewhere), they are devaluing them to the point that it makes it tough for Chiarelli to trade for different guys if that’s what they want.

    Talk about the same old pattern. Pump and dump them McLellan. It would be a far better plan especially in a lost season than trading a guy you openly don’t want who doesn’t have numbers in the boxcars. Subtlety. Get something decent for them.

    Maybe we do need a different coaching staff.

  15. McSorley33 says:

    As someone posted yesterday, if we are trading Maroon, Cammy and Letestu at the deadline – don’t we need Slepy?

    Trading a 23 year old winger who was injured in training camp.

    Talk about selling low.

  16. MADOIL says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    So much angst in Oiler Country regarding the potential trade of a former third round pick that has not been able to establish himself in the NHL after 4-5 years post draft.

    Lots of good skills –so far not able to put it together and grab any opportunity he’s been given.

    I like the player but he is highly overrated in this community based on results.

    He’s got time to establish himself but it is running out – he’s not young.

    OP, I am a big fan of your positivity and reasoning but I have to disagree with you on this. I think Slepy has been very unlucky this year. With him missing training camp due to injury and being behind the eight ball, I think the coach gave him a very short leash to prove his worth. I fail to understand how the Drake can get so many opportunities when their production is essentially the same. Is it a sideburns issue?
    Also, like Rishaug commented this morning, what is the point of trading Slepy at this point – does the Chiarelli think that he’ll get a legit winger that’ll improve the club? Why not let Slepy play this season out and trade him during the summer?

  17. OilClog says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    So much angst in Oiler Country regarding the potential trade of a former third round pick that has not been able to establish himself in the NHL after 4-5 years post draft.

    Lots of good skills –so far not able to put it together and grab any opportunity he’s been given.

    I like the player but he is highly overrated in this community based on results.

    He’s got time to establish himself but it is running out – he’s not young.

    You did read the part where he’s over 2pts per 60 when situated with a talented C?

    Only reason he hasn’t grabbed a permanent spot with one is the coach.. he’s the judge, jury, and executioner.

    If his name was Drake Johnson he’d be top 6

  18. OilClog says:

    MADOIL,

    When Rishuag makes more sense then the GM or coach, truly bizarro world.

  19. Professor Q says:

    Scungilli Slushy,

    If I remember correctly, Slepy had been outspoken enough to say he wasn’t running to the KHL like some others had (on Oilers alone, even). He was here to play in the NHL and if the AHL was his way to do it, then so be it.

    But of course that could have changed with how he’s been treated, or how he’s felt he’s been treated, which is a damned shame.

    Bigger, better shot, a bit more rough, and a RHS vs. Caggiula.

  20. Snowman says:

    “I’m sure they (Oilers) will look at just about anything. I think with the Hoffman deal they might have talked Caggiula maybe, or something like that, but that doesn’t necessarily mean he’s available. I think he’s just a guy who might have been available for that player.”

    This quote from Friedman has me a little flummoxed.

    If the Oilers offered Cagguila and the Sens said no, I can understand that. If the Sens asked for Cagguila and the Oilers balked… Well that just doesn’t make sense. But the way I’m reading it that’s exactly what it sounds like to me.

    How do you guys read this?

  21. frjohnk says:

    McSorley33: As someone posted yesterday, if we are trading Maroon, Cammy and Letestu at the deadline – don’t we need Slepy?

    Unless we get players back it does not make sense to trade Sleppy. Sleppy is better than what we have in the minors.

    Check out the scenario of trading Maroon, Cammy and Letestu and Sleppy for picks. Then add in a couple of injuries to lets say Strome and RNH.

    Then look at the forward group.

    Maybe Sleppy wants out and the Oilers would like to bring up Pak, who McClellan has always liked and can PK.

    This organization makes strange decisions

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  23. frjohnk says:

    Snowman:
    “I’m sure they (Oilers) will look at just about anything. I think with the Hoffman deal they might have talked Caggiula maybe, or something like that, but that doesn’t necessarily mean he’s available. I think he’s just a guy who might have been available for that player.”

    This quote from Friedman has me a little flummoxed.

    If the Oilers offered Cagguila and the Sens said no, I can understand that. If the Sens asked for Cagguila and the Oilers balked… Well that just doesn’t make sense. But the way I’m reading it that’s exactly what it sounds like to me.

    How do you guys read this?

    where was this quote from?

  24. OilClog says:

    The way they’re selling Anton off they’re going to need to package Leon with Oscar, tag some picks on and hope you can land yourself a Gallagher.

  25. OriginalPouzar says:

    geowal: Anton Slepyshev, when playing on a line with one of the three prime centers, has scored over 2.00/60 in his NHL time. He has played 40 percent of his 5×5 time with these men, scoring 5-6-11 in a little under 200 minutes. That’s good production, ladies and men.


    70 games – 5 goals, 9 assists, 14 points

  26. Scungilli Slushy says:

    frjohnk: Unless we get players back it does not make sense to trade Sleppy.Sleppy is better than what we have in the minors.

    Check out the scenario of trading Maroon, Cammy and Letestu and Sleppy for picks.Then add in a couple of injuries to lets say Strome and RNH.

    Then look at the forward group.

    Maybe Sleppy wants out and the Oilers would like to bring up Pak, who McClellan has always liked and can PK.

    This organization makes strange decisions

    The worst decisions. For more than a decade. Man I wish we had Poile and Gallant right now. And that Katz took restraining orders on any former Oilers coming near the team.

  27. OilClog says:

    Snowman:
    “I’m sure they (Oilers) will look at just about anything. I think with the Hoffman deal they might have talked Caggiula maybe, or something like that, but that doesn’t necessarily mean he’s available. I think he’s just a guy who might have been available for that player.”

    This quote from Friedman has me a little flummoxed.

    If the Oilers offered Cagguila and the Sens said no, I can understand that. If the Sens asked for Cagguila and the Oilers balked… Well that just doesn’t make sense. But the way I’m reading it that’s exactly what it sounds like to me.

    How do you guys read this?

    They told Ottawa only way you can have Drake is by giving up Erik the Blonde, Drake is a multi-purpose tool that the coach can’t do without, Players like this only come around every so often.

  28. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    Flames win 5 in a row after the coach absolutely tears into the team.

    How would the oilers react to a similar dressing down I wonder?

  29. OmJo says:

    OriginalPouzar: 70 games – 5 goals, 9 assists, 14 points

    70 games over 3 seasons.

  30. OriginalPouzar says:

    MADOIL: OP, I am a big fan of your positivity and reasoning but I have to disagree with you on this. I think Slepy has been very unlucky this year. With him missing training camp due to injury and being behind the eight ball, I think the coach gave him a very short leash to prove his worth. I fail to understand how the Drake can get so many opportunities when their production is essentially the same. Is it a sideburns issue?
    Also, like Rishaug commented this morning, what is the point of trading Slepy at this point – does the Chiarelli think that he’ll get a legit winger that’ll improve the club? Why not let Slepy play this season out and trade him during the summer?

    I agree, Slepy has been unlucky this year.

    He did have a nice playoffs last year and was looking to parlay that in to early season success – he then got injured and missed camp and that put him behind the 8-ball.

    With that said, he still hasn’t taken any opportunity and run with it. I don’t care that Drake has received a “greater opportunity”. I agree that he has and I don’t know why (it seems undeserved) but that doesn’t change the fact that Slepy himself has received enough opportunities and has simply not been able to establish himself with consistent play.

    I also agree that there is no need to trade him. Sure, include him in a trade or trade him if there is a deal that makes sense for the team but I don’t see the need to trade him just because and get a middling asset back.

    Anyways, I still like the player and wish we would/could keep him.

    I’m just not on board the #freeslep train.

    Nice P/60 with the three main center but, at the end of the day, the production is 70 games, 5 goals, 9 assists and almost half the time he’s been on the ice its been with a talented center.

  31. OriginalPouzar says:

    OilClog: You did read the part where he’s over 2pts per 60 when situated with a talented C?

    Only reason he hasn’t grabbed a permanent spot with one is the coach.. he’s the judge, jury, and executioner.

    If his name was Drake Johnson he’d be top 6

    I sure did.

    I also know that he’s played almost half his NHL time with a “talented center” (40%) and his box cars are 70 games, 5 goals, 9 assists.

  32. OriginalPouzar says:

    Réal Goudenyéu:
    Flames win 5 in a row after the coach absolutely tears into the team.

    How would the oilers react to a similar dressing down I wonder?

    McLellan did tear in to the team recently and there was video of it. It was very similar to Gulutzan with one less stick thrown.

  33. OriginalPouzar says:

    OmJo: 70 games over 3 seasons.

    Based on merit.

  34. OmJo says:

    Réal Goudenyéu,

    How much is Jagr making a difference in the locker room.

    His head of the table/60 must be out of this world.

    Posted a quote either yesterday or the day before about Burke praising Jagr for the leadership he’s brought off the ice.

  35. OilClog says:

    OriginalPouzar: 70 games – 5 goals, 9 assists, 14 points

    With more then 2/3’s of the games on the 4th line with Letestu. If he was to play 70 actually games in one season where the coach uses him and allows his rhythm and timing to click.. he’s going to look like he did in the playoffs.

    Just allow the quicksand to swallow you up

    You’re Woodcroft aren’t you? Lol

  36. OmJo says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    But 70 games over 3 seasons ≠ 70 games over 1 season.

    15-16 was based on his preseason and injuries.
    16-17 was based on his start to the AHL.
    17-18 was based on merit, sure. Only because he missed TC and preseason.

  37. OilClog says:

    OriginalPouzar: I agree, Slepy has been unlucky this year.

    He did have a nice playoffs last year and was looking to parlay that in to early season success – he then got injured and missed camp and that put him behind the 8-ball.

    With that said, he still hasn’t taken any opportunity and run with it. I don’t care that Drake has received a “greater opportunity”.I agree that he has and I don’t know why (it seems undeserved) but that doesn’t change the fact that Slepy himself has received enough opportunities and has simply not been able to establish himself with consistent play.

    I also agree that there is no need to trade him.Sure, include him in a trade or trade him if there is a deal that makes sense for the team but I don’t see the need to trade him just because and get a middling asset back.

    Anyways, I still like the player and wish we would/could keep him.

    I’m just not on board the #freeslep train.

    Nice P/60 with the three main center but, at the end of the day, the production is 70 games, 5 goals, 9 assists and almost half the time he’s been on the ice its been with a talented center.

    You say Almost half the time he’s been on the ice he’s been with a talented centre, and he’s over 2pts per 60.. and that’s not taking the ball and running with it to you? Lol

    He need to be 3pt per 60? 4?

    What is taking the ball and running with it?

    Who on this team is fucking playing consistent? Not a single damn player, what are you asking for?

  38. StixMalone says:

    If Sleppy gets waived we would lose him 100%. They are done with him it appears. Have to get something for him. Just a weird scenario going on….

  39. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Khaira is the same age as Slepy. Similar paths. It takes time. Maybe Slepy needs a little more time. I don’t have stats but I’ll bet Khaira has played less 4th line minutes as he emerges.

    Slepy has done himself no favours this year, but he was hurt which put him behind, developing him also like Khaira makes the team stronger. It would give them three big fast young wingers with some sort of skill. Two that can play two positions. What is wrong with that?

    Continuing to trade guys after years of developing them when they are right on the cusp makes the team weaker.

  40. OriginalPouzar says:

    OilClog: With more then 2/3’s of the games on the 4th line with Letestu. If he was to play 70 actually games in one season where the coach uses him and allows his rhythm and timing to click.. he’s going to look like he did in the playoffs.

    Just allow the quicksand to swallow you up

    You’re Woodcroft aren’t you? Lol

    Not 2/3 of the game with Letestu – as per above, 40% of the time was with one of Nuge, McDavid or Leon – almost half his ice was with an established and talented center. That’s actually pretty good for a former 3rd round pick trying to establish himself in the NHL.

    I don’t disagree with the premise that 70 games split over 3 years up and down the lineup is not the same as 70 games in one season with a standard line.

    At the same time, he has to earn that ice with his play. He hasn’t done that. Khaira did it early this year, Slep did not.

    I’m going to posit that 3 months ago the team was much higher on Slep than Khaira – Khaira has changed that with his play on the ice.

  41. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Kinger et al, reposting this one in case you missed it.

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    Kinger, my comment was not directed at you specifically. I am sorry if it came across that way.

    I know you are disappointed by what has happened this year. We all are.

    I do think this team has suffered from bad luck, bad special teams, bad goaltending and bad coaching. It also was, in my opinion, a worse lineup than last year–a team that ran McDavid and All Star Talbot to the playoffs last year that became even more top heavy this year.

    The whole organization is to blame. When that happens, the GM and President of Hockey Ops has to take the lion’s share of responsibility. That is the nature of being a manager in any organization.

    Most people are starting to accept that.

    I don’t want yet another GM or coach either. I want these guys to succeed. But I don’t know what the plan is anymore. They have lost my confidence.

    If you are saying that not adding pieces to compete this year after being a game away from the 3rd round last season, in the last year of McDavid’s ELC when things get that much tighter next year is the plan and the idea is to play the slow game what the hell was the Reinhart trade for? To speed up the timline of competing with McDavid, right? So after they failed there are you saying they decided to be gunshy now and slow play things?

    When I see them gift Caggiula minutes he has not earned over Sleppy, when I see them burn a year of Jesse’s rookie deal with no explanation why, when I see that Drai’s second contract, with 5RFA years and only 3 UFA years break the bank (so much for the theory that burning a year on his rookie deal would be seen as a favour and lower the cost on the next deal), when I see TMac refusing to play LB until he has to, then LB craps the bed and Chia spends assets in a lost season to get Montoya, when I see the coach refusing to reunite his successful 2nd line from the playoffs last year in Lucic Drai and Slepy, and does not give Slepy the benefit of the doubt after missing camp with injury, then the GM sends an email to all teams shopping him 1 game after he crosses past the waiver threshold, when I see Chia saying no teams want to help him.

    What I see is no fucking plan at all. And even in my past criticisms of Chia I only ever called him average or medicore and only cited his bad record in major trades. We have had MacT and Tambo and Lowe for so long that for us a mediocre GM seems like a godsend. But not anymore.

    Many of us are frustrated, I am sure you are, too. I can understand if you cite bad luck and special teams. But 5 on 5 this team is no longer close to top 5 anymore either.

    I am just amazed that there are people who would suggest this is the plan (of course process matters over results) but in this case I have lost sight of what the attemped process is.

    They’ve lost me. The next few moves or lack thereof may help to clarify that.

    All we can do is wait.

  42. Scungilli Slushy says:

    OriginalPouzar: Not 2/3 of the game with Letestu – as per above, 40% of the time was with one of Nuge, McDavid or Leon – almost half his ice was with an established and talented center.That’s actually pretty good for a former 3rd round pick trying to establish himself in the NHL.

    Slepy was a first round talent in his draft year IIRC. KHL fears affected his draft position.

  43. Jaxon says:

    OriginalPouzar: 70 games – 5 goals, 9 assists, 14 points

    His 5g-6a-11 pts in 296:35 5-on-5 minutes with McDavid, Draisaitl, Nugent-Hopkins is an impressive pace. Assuming an average first liner gets 14.666 5-on-5 minutes/gp: If they gave him first line minutes all year long, he’d get 20g, 24a, 44 pts at 5-on-5!!! That would put him at #36 in the NHL last season ahead of Seguin, Ovechkin, Toews, Kessel, Monohan and 1 point behind Gaudreau and Arvidsson. It would put him at #22 for all wingers last season. McDavid led the league with 71, Draisaitl with 50 for 13th.

  44. OriginalPouzar says:

    OilClog: You say Almost half the time he’s been on the ice he’s been with a talented centre, and he’s over 2pts per 60.. and that’s not taking the ball and running with it to you? Lol

    He need to be 3pt per 60? 4?

    What is taking the ball and running with it?

    Who on this team is fucking playing consistent? Not a single damn player, what are you asking for?

    I don’t really care about his P/60 to tell you the truth. I care about his actual production and its middling.

    He’s spent 40% of his time (almost half) with a talented center and he’s got 5 goals in 70 games (14 points).

  45. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Khaira has been in the organization longer. Until this season he had shown little. But they were super patient with him.

    Is it too much to ask to similarly be patient with Slepy? Apparently it is.

  46. Scungilli Slushy says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    OriginalPouzar,

    Khaira has been in the organization longer. Until this season he had shown little. But they were super patient with him.

    Is it too much to ask to similarly be patient with Slepy? Apparently it is.

    Grrrrrrr.

  47. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Conclusion: TMac has a double standard. Khaira, Letestu, Caggiula can do no wrong. Sleppy however gets scratched just because.

    Is he a world beater? No. But why do they feel they need to dump him? He should be around next year and part of one more season after that before they dump him.

    Why can’t they be patient with him?

  48. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    OriginalPouzar: McLellan did tear in to the team recently and there was video of it.It was very similar to Gulutzan with one less stick thrown.

    Coaches sticksthrown/60 is not good enough this year!

  49. Woogie63 says:

    I see this PC’s email on Slepy as very cleaver.

    Saying he will accept an offer and AGREEING on an offer is two very different things.

    option 1 – Another team offers you something acceptable – make the trade

    option 2 – No acceptable offer … Mr. Slepyshev we tried but your current value is too low, you should remember that when we discuss your next contract.

    option 3 – No acceptable offer …. Mr. Slepyshev at your next opportunity to get in the line-up you might want the league to clearly see your value.

    option 4 – Slepyshev might not be a NHL right winger so don’t carry the wounded for too long in a contract year.

  50. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Woogie63:
    I see this PC email on Slepy as very cleaver.

    Saying he will accept and offer and ACCEPTING an offer is two very different things.

    option 1 –

    Maybe but I’ve had enough of this type of thing going public. It shows a lack of respect for the players, they had been tight lipped until recently. Like Broissoit finding out he was replaced in game on the bench. I hope they aren’t returning to the amateurish conduct of the DoD in the face of a little adversity.

  51. Thinker says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    Conclusion: TMac has a double standard. Khaira, Letestu, Caggiula can do no wrong. Sleppy however gets scratched just because.

    Is he a world beater? No. But why do they feel they need to dump him? He should be around next year and part of one more season after that before they dump him.

    Why can’t they be patient with him?

    When you have unrealistic expectations going in, and trade a top 30 RW based on those expectations, you start to get upset when the player doesn’t meet them. Whether this is more on Chiarelli or Mclellan is up for debate, but clearly something is being screwed up in the process.

  52. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Woogie63,

    So he is going to publicly offer up a player then keep him? Why would Anton want to play here after that. Does not make sense. Slepy is as good as gone.

  53. Jethro Tull says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    Conclusion: TMac has a double standard. Khaira, Letestu, Caggiula can do no wrong. Sleppy however gets scratched just because.

    Is he a world beater? No. But why do they feel they need to dump him? He should be around next year and part of one more season after that before they dump him.

    Why can’t they be patient with him?

    This isn’t true – Khaira nearly went the way of Sleppy.

  54. fifthcartel says:

    Snowman:
    “I’m sure they (Oilers) will look at just about anything. I think with the Hoffman deal they might have talked Caggiula maybe, or something like that, but that doesn’t necessarily mean he’s available. I think he’s just a guy who might have been available for that player.”

    This quote from Friedman has me a little flummoxed.

    If the Oilers offered Cagguila and the Sens said no, I can understand that. If the Sens asked for Cagguila and the Oilers balked… Well that just doesn’t make sense. But the way I’m reading it that’s exactly what it sounds like to me.

    How do you guys read this?

    The Oilers think Drake Caggiula is a much better player than he actually is.

  55. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Jethro Tull: This isn’t true – Khaira nearly went the way of Sleppy.

    expansion draft you mean? they had no choice, really.

  56. Jethro Tull says:

    So how did it get out about the email? I wouldn’t be surprised if they weren’t uncommon; here’s who’s available right now, maybe it starts conversations about other players, etc.

    Once again, I think the calls are coming from inside the house. This absolutely smacks of DoD regime and how Lowe went about submaring players like Souray.

  57. JimmyV1965 says:

    I don’t get this whole Russian thing. If they didn’t like Russians they wouldn’t draft them. They are horribly inconsistent at developing ALL players. They bring up players way too early, they let young guys sit in the press box way too often and for too long, they don’t give players enuf time in the AHL and they make decisions on players way too early.

    Just look at JP. He spent half the year in the press box last year, they finally send him down, he starts this year in the AHL and then they bring him up, not because he’s ready to play in the NHL, but because they had a hole to fill. He just happened to overcome this bizarre development program and looks like he might establish himself.

    Same thing with the Drake. He has spent his entire career in the NHL. He hasn’t deserved to be here and his development would have been better served with time in the minors. Too many people complain like he’s been given special treatment. Well, maybe the best thing for him as a player would have been time in the minors. Maybe all this time gifted minutes is actually bad for his development. Notice how Spencer Foo has yet to play a game in the NHL.

    I find it shocking that this ridiculous approach to development has not stopped with Chia as GM. For the love of all that’s good, someone needs to stop this unprofessional and inconsistent approach to development.

  58. exoilinxs says:

    I still like Slepy better than Caggiula. This is just another in a long line of players Edmonton develops for other clubs. I am sure Slepy will score in his first game against us.

  59. Jethro Tull says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): expansion draft you mean? they had no choice, really.

    No, he was scratched for quite a few games until he had a gooder and TMac acknowledged that Khaira has said he wanted to stay in the NHL. TMac said JJ’s game wasn’t good, but then JJ took his chance and it wasn’t just the goals.

  60. McSorley33 says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker),

    Khaira was given no favours by the coaching staff, imo.

    He overcame TMac.

    One of the best players coming out of camp. Full stop.

    I truly wonder how much impact Mark Letestu is having on Kass, Sleppy, etc, etc,

    Would not surprise me to see Kass and co. rebound with a new 4C that can skate next year.

  61. JimmyV1965 says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    I wonder if the trade email is driven by Slepy. He may have said play me or trade me or I’m going home. This is where the disconnect is I think with ‘Russians’. I think that they have to feel respected or they want out.

    I remember reading a piece where Babcock talked about how he dealt with Datsyuk. Babcock had to put effort into that relationship to keep him happy. Not that Slepy is like Datsyuk, but you get the idea.

    I get that Slepy didn’t do what he should have to impress when they did use him lately, mainly skate his ass off and get in the middle of things.

    But if that is the criteria for success they will miss on a lot of players. Some guys need to play to get established, like Khaira. I think Slepy needed a run of games with players that can play and lots of coaching. I would not be surprised that he feels he is better than or as good as some guys getting at bats, which would aggravate him.

    Maybe they did the coaching part, but it seems a lot of guys are struggling with their games. At the end of the day it’s up to the players to accommodate, but good coaching staffs get the best out of what they have and develop latent talents.

    Good players aren’t falling out of the skies these days. Especially big fast guys with skill, like Slepy and Pitlick. And for goodness sake, Swedish told us Slepy mostly played LW, why not play him there?

    I feel like I’m at a tipping point. If they manage to trade him and the return is a plugger, I might have to unplug for a while until the carnage is done.

    I would argue that Khaira has managed to succeed in spite of the way he has been developed. Same with JP.

  62. Woogie63 says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Maybe but I’ve had enough of this type of thing going public. It shows a lack of respect for the players, they had been tight lipped until recently. Like Broissoit finding out he was replaced in game on the bench. I hope they aren’t returning to the amateurish conduct of the DoD in the face of a little adversity.

    My note you responded got cut off …. Woodguys phone?

    I don’t think this type of thing as amateurish …. NHL players are contracted workers ….that are paid very well.

    1. See my four options that might come back from the Slepy email – PC is in the drivers seat IMO which is probably in his job description.

    2. LB had a great chance to secure a back up goalie position …. he paid every minute Talbot was out – He did not inspire confidence, he lost his job. This is on LB not the person who made the decision – harsh but reality … again IMO

  63. Scungilli Slushy says:

    JimmyV1965: I would argue that Khaira has managed to succeed in spite of the way he has been developed. Same with JP.

    Truth. I think many are saying Slepy can too if not as quickly as Khaira.

  64. Bag of Pucks says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    I wonder if the trade email is driven by Slepy. He may have said play me or trade me or I’m going home. This is where the disconnect is I think with ‘Russians’. I think that they have to feel respected or they want out.

    I don’t think this behaviour is exclusive to Russians. I wouldn’t stay in a work environment if I felt dis-respected or taken for granted.

  65. LMHF#1 says:

    It would be so very ‘Oilers’ that Chiarelli finally trades the Coach’s security blanket so the shooter spot opens on PP1, but the guy who should have had multiple chances there by now has recently been dealt for F-all.

  66. JimmyV1965 says:

    Anyone who argues that Schleppy has proven himself to be an NHL player using stats should watch the games. He’s been invisible out there. If his stats are better than the Drakes, that only bolsters the argument that the Drake isn’t an NHL player either. Both these players have been developed poorly, like virtually every player the team drafts. In the long run, the Drake has been developed just as poorly as Schleppy, just in a different way.

    This madness needs to stop or this team will never improve. Virtually every team in this league has players on their roster drafted after the first round making meaningful contributions to their team. And I don’t mean dmen on the third pair or forwards in bottom six roles. The Oilers have zero.

    There’s a reason for that. It’s getting really frustrating as an Oiler fan to watch them mishandle virtually every prospect that shows any sign of life. This, more than anything else, will sewer our team for years to come.

  67. Bag of Pucks says:

    Over the last month or so, I’ve been gradually compartmentalizing with this team. Not watching the games, trying to cut back on posts to this site, certainly not buying any game tickets or memorabilia.

    This stuff is supposed to be fun and entertaining, and this team/organization is just so dysfunctional and demoralizing. And 2.5 hours of watching a game just to see a couple rushes from Connor seems absolutely pointless when you can just see the same thing on the next day highlights package.

    Find myself looking forward with way more enthusiasm to this weekend’s NFL Divisional Playoffs than anything associated with these meaningless hockey games against nondescript teams.

    This team is supposed to be a saving grace in -30 weather and they’re a complete clusterfuck from the top of the owner’s suite to the bottom of the depth chart.

    I’ve been taking the blue pill too long with this team. Time to switch to the red pill and more productive pursuits.

  68. Woogie63 says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    Woogie63,

    So he is going to publicly offer up a player then keep him? Why would Anton want to play here after that. Does not make sense. Slepy is as good as gone.

    Slepy is a RFA, so the Oilers control all the Aces

  69. Neumann says:

    Opportunities aren’t just earned during games they are also earned during practice. And for guys not getting game time you better earn it at practice. I don’t know what goes on at an Oilers practice, the only video I’ve seen this year is TM losing it. Maybe practices is where Drake beats out Slep…

  70. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Woogie63: My note you responded got cut off …. Woodguys phone?

    I don’t think this type of thing as amateurish …. NHL players are contracted workers ….that are paid very well.

    1. See my four options that might come back from the Slepy email – PC is in the drivers seat IMO which is probably in his job description.

    2. LB had a great chance to secure a back up goalie position …. he paid every minute Talbot was out – He did not inspire confidence, he lost his job.This is on LB not the person who made the decision – harsh but reality … again IMO

    Yes I agree they are pro athletes and they take their lumps. Modern day gladiators.

    My issue isn’t the email, it’s that it’s public. i also think they are making a mistake, again, on the player.

    However, it is still in the best interest of the team to maximize the value of even players they don’t want, especially in a lost season. So that they can get value back.

    Trading players at their lowest point is part of the talent drain that has plagued the team for years. The players are let go for little and go on to be useful players elsewhere. Ideally they should want to get a middle 6 talent back or a 2nd for their time developing him.

    Slepyshev has skill and is every GM’s prototype – big, fast and doesn’t chop the puck square. He’s a more rare right shot. See Pitlick, who they should have signed and traded instead of getting nothing, yet another talent drain because there was no return on their #31 draft pick used, essentially a first round pick wasted yet again.

    At this point they’ll get an AHL maybe or a lower pick than they spent on Slepy. I would run him top 6 LW after Maroon is gone, let him get some points and if they still don’t like his hairdo move him in the summer for something useful or in a package with Nuge for Larsson 2.0 that they’ll end up doing.

    ** My issue with Broissoit isn’t that they replaced him, it’s that the poor kid had to hear it on the PA on the bench mid game. What other team does something that Mickey Mouse?

  71. OriginalPouzar says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    OriginalPouzar,

    Khaira has been in the organization longer. Until this season he had shown little. But they were super patient with him.

    Is it too much to ask to similarly be patient with Slepy? Apparently it is.

    I feel the opportunities given to Khaira essentially mirror what have been given to Slepy.

    The difference is, somewhat out of nowhere, Khaira seized that opportunity a bit earlier this year – something than Anton hasn’t done.

    Now, don’t get me wrong, I am not “done with the player” and I don’t want to trade him for a nothing return (i.e. trade for the sake of disposing of the player”.

    I would be absolutely fine keeping him, playing him every game the rest of the year on the 2nd/3rd line, re-signing him, etc.

    My point is simply that I’m not going to overly-catastrophize the loss/potential loss of this player as I simply don’t think he’s performed well enough to warrant it. Yes, opportunity has been an issue but others have seized their similar opportunity.

  72. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Woogie63: Slepy is a RFA, so the Oilers control all the Aces

    Except the KHL/European leagues ace he holds.

  73. frjohnk says:

    Scungilli Slushy: ** My issue with Broissoit isn’t that they replaced him, it’s that the poor kid had to hear it on the PA on the bench mid game. What other team does something that Mickey Mouse?

    Broissoit learned about the Montoya trade over the public address system?
    Nobody told him?

  74. Scungilli Slushy says:

    JimmyV1965: Drake has been developed just as poorly as Schleppy

    Cags has been in the NHL his whole pro career and not sitting very often. He’s been given pushes that he doesn’t deserve any more than the others, or sometimes as much as the others.

    It is true that there is something wrong. The Oilers seem to turn on players still and are not getting the draft value out of them that many other teams do. It is at the core of what is hampering the team IMO.

    I think it is because many other teams play guys and let them screw up more without villainizing or marginalizing them, and they eventually get there. Anaheim didn’t roast their young D that I saw and they made plenty of mistakes in the playoffs. Lots against the Oilers that they couldn’t bury.

  75. Scungilli Slushy says:

    frjohnk: Broissoit learned about the Montoya trade over the public address system?
    Nobody told him?

    I saw a clip of him hanging his head on the bench, and read that is what happened.

  76. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    JimmyV1965,

    Anyone who argues that Schleppy has proven himself to be an NHL player using stats should watch the games.

    You’re in the wrong place.

    No one here has ever watched a game of what you call the hockey.

  77. Ryan says:

    exoilinxs:
    I still like Slepy better than Caggiula. This is just another in a long line of players Edmonton develops for other clubs. I am sure Slepy will score in his first game against us.

    When was the last time the Oilers successfully shopped in the Oesterle, Pitlick, Reider, or Gustaffson bin from another team?

  78. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    I remember when I thought being a fan of the Oilers meant that I had to defend the GM and the Coach.

    It was posters at lowetide.blogspot.com who broke me of that.

  79. Whatif says:

    Through the late seventies and early eighties I was living in Toronto and was inundated with everything Leafs.

    What I remember vividly is the media and fans greeting every new addition as the Messiah that was going to lead the franchise out of the darkness. These were largely forgettable players who soon left the Leafs or the NHL.

    I see many of the same things present with the current edition of the Oilers. We are fixating on third and fourth line tweeners instead of focusing on the meat of the order. The bottom six forwards in the line up must be able to really skate to provide speed and tenacity on the fore check, have some truculence and aggression to set the tone of the game and be able to score some while playing decent defense. They also must make up the core of your PK units.

    The defensemen must be able to skate and be highly mobile for puck retrieval purposes, be able to pass the puck accurately and consistently and have game smarts enough to play their position effectively in a defensive role (see Nashville and Tampa and Calgary).

    All of these factors then set up the team’s top six forwards for success. In particular the D men can then provide the puck to them so they can generate speed through the neutral zone before the opponents can establish their defensive framework. This simply not happening and the top six are repeatedly facing teams that are simply waiting for the Oilers to crack their defensive formation.

    I look forward to seeing exactly what the Oilers management can accomplish in terms of re-constructing the bottom six forwards and hopefully putting together a functional and effective NHL caliber D corps. Maybe some of the first steps toward that end happen at the trade deadline this year. Fingers crossed.

  80. Thinker says:

    Ryan: When was the last time the Oilers successfully shopped in the Oesterle, Pitlick, Reider, or Gustaffson bin from another team?

    Davidson? Most teams aren’t as bad at developing as us.

  81. Wilde says:

    Well, since my Duclair pet idea has been ruthlessly taken from me by the powers that be, I’ll start beating the drum on another buy low target:

    Joshua Ho-Sang.

    Why it’s not impossible:

    -Garth’s an established trade partner.

    -The Islanders are flush with picks from the Hamonic deal, so they may be open to trading their 2014 selection.

    -He was scratched by Bridgeport’s staff recently in the AHL.

    -The Islanders experiencing injuries right now may cause their management to not feel secure on their depth, they’ve recently called up two defensemen and a forward.

    Why it might be impossible:

    -Nicholson might have blocked Snow’s number on Chia’s phone.

    -If they passed on Duclair for attitude issues, they may not value Ho-Sang.

  82. Jethro Tull says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    I remember when I thought being a fan of the Oilers meant that I had to defend the GM and the Coach.

    It was posters at lowetide.blogspot.com who broke me of that.

    So what does being an Oilers fan mean to you? Serious question.

  83. frjohnk says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    I remember when I thought being a fan of the Oilers meant that I had to defend the GM and the Coach.

    It was posters at lowetide.blogspot.com who broke me of that.

    Just a bunch of dinks.

  84. Ryan says:

    Thinker: Davidson? Most teams aren’t as bad at developing as us.

    Davidson wouldn’t count. We drafted him.

    Talbot kinda sorta although not completely analogous since he was a somewhat known commodity when we acquired him.

    Gazdic would fit though he wasn’t much of a hockey player.

  85. Ryan says:

    Ryan,

    On that note, we can look around the league at other organizations that are similarly poorly-run to pick their pockets.

    Buffalo? Phoenix?

  86. Wilde says:

    Wilde,

    Ho-Sang’s got numbers baby. He was drafted after putting up 85 in 67 in the OHL, and has great rates in the NHL while producing 36 in 50 as a first year pro(AHL), and 12 in 15 this year.

    His coaches don’t like him because of defensive deficiencies ( I think), but he had positive rel shares last year, negative ones this year, matching a downturn in offensive zone starts.

    16-17: 4.6 CF rel, 59.6 oZs%
    17-18: -2.7 CF rel, 52.4 oZs%

    I’ll check linemates in a second, but here’s his production:

    16-17: 1.5PTS/60 EV in 284 TOI
    17-18: 2.3PTS/60 EV in 256 TOI

    Sorry for the gap in posts, on mobile.

  87. frjohnk says:

    Ryan: When was the last time the Oilers successfully shopped in the Oesterle, Pitlick, Reider, or Gustaffson bin from another team?

    Wouldnt Maroon and Kassian fit in this area.
    Maybe Cammy.

  88. Oilman99 says:

    Ryan: When was the last time the Oilers successfully shopped in the Oesterle, Pitlick, Reider, or Gustaffson bin from another team?

    The best move to make is package Shleppy and Auvitu together for a two for one deal, and open up another spot on team roster.

  89. jtblack says:

    “, I’ll eat my 8-Track (it’s a car 8-Track, lots of dust and some oil on it) with soy milk.”

    LET’S GO OILERS
    LET’S GO OILERS
    LET’S GO OILERS

  90. who says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    Another problem for the team is that the way the coaches are depressing play from some guys (we see them do better elsewhere), they are devaluing them to the point that it makes it tough for Chiarelli to trade for different guys if that’s what they want.

    Talk about the same old pattern. Pump and dump them McLellan. It would be a far better plan especially in a lost season than trading a guy you openly don’t want who doesn’t have numbers in the boxcars. Subtlety. Get something decent for them.

    Maybe we do need a different coaching staff.

    This is a great post and sums up my feelings exactly. Starting to see a real pattern here. When there are that many players that the coaches just can’t use maybe the problem is the coaches.
    At the very least they are really depressing the trade value of these players. The season is lost. Why not give Slepeshev a run of 40 games with a decent center and see what he does?
    I think there is a growing disconnect between GM and coach. The Kassian contract and subsequent usage this year is exhibit A. Clearly Chia saw him as more than a fourth line winger/penalty killer this summer.
    I get that the coaches job is to play the guys he thinks will win today but he has to share the vision of the GM as well. Sometimes that means a little short term pain for long term gain. I don’t think these two guys are even close to being on the same page re roster deployment.

  91. Oilman99 says:

    Jethro Tull: So what does being an Oilers fan mean to you? Serious question.

    Twenty five plus years of head banging watching incompetent management send this team down the wrong path year after year.

  92. thehop says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    You do realize that production can be directly related to linemates, usage, and TOI.

    P/60 has always been a good way to measure the value of a player as well. The fact that is doesn’t matter to you says something.

    The point most people are trying to make when they argue with you about Slepyshev isn’t that he did or didn’t produce writhin the time he was given. There is evidence to support both sides.

    It’s that he is, talent wise, as good or better than Caggulia who has received cherry minutes with some of the best players in the world and produce results that are just as middling as Slepyshev

    Get good players, keep good players.

    It’s a real thing.

  93. Wilde says:

    Wilde,

    He’s also a right shot, which would be perfect, but he’s a playmaker.

    OHL splits are
    32G 53A
    14G 43A
    19G 63A

    And in the NHL

    16-17– 0.5G/60 // 0.8A1/60 // 0.8A/60
    17-18– 0.5G/60 // 1.2A1/60 // 1.9A/60
    —————————–> (^this is good^)

    Maroon? Davidson? Jones?

  94. Durag says:

    Jethro Tull: So what does being an Oilers fan mean to you?

    Our laundry, yeah!!

    Boooo other laundry!!

  95. Ryan says:

    frjohnk: Wouldnt Maroon and Kassian fit in this area.
    Maybe Cammy.

    Not entirely analogous. Both Kassian and Maroon were indeed buy-low reclamation products, but both had already moved on from the teams that drafted them. In Kassian’s case, he was already on his third NHL team when we traded for him. Maroon was drafted by the Flyers.

    Iirc, Pitlick, Oesterle, and Gustafsson were signed, so they were acquired for money only also.

  96. BONE207 says:

    They bring up players way too early, they let young guys sit in the press box way too often and for too long, they don’t give players enough time in the AHL and they make decisions on players way too early.

    I see Chia Pete sitting in the office/home playing Clash of the Clans, I’ll get to that trade/roster move/lack of depth etc. right after I kick this Orc’s ass.

    I would love to know how fast the wheels of Oiler Corp actually move. What kind of communication they get involved with and what they discuss. Perhaps once the bathroom issues get resolved, we can focus on the player development…

  97. OriginalPouzar says:

    JimmyV1965:
    Anyone who argues that Schleppy has proven himself to be an NHL player using stats should watch the games. He’s been invisible out there. If his stats are better than the Drakes, that only bolsters the argument that the Drake isn’t an NHL player either. Both these players have been developed poorly, like virtually every player the team drafts. In the long run, the Drake has been developed just as poorly as Schleppy, just in a different way.

    This madness needs to stop or this team will never improve. Virtually every team in this league has players on their roster drafted after the first round making meaningful contributions to their team. And I don’t mean dmen on the third pair or forwards in bottom six roles. The Oilers have zero.

    There’s a reason for that. It’s getting really frustrating as an Oiler fan to watch them mishandle virtually every prospect that shows any sign of life. This, more than anything else, will sewer our team for years to come.

    I’m am still baffled by the decision to play Drake at center at the beginning of last year.

    This was a rookie pro winger who made the team really because of lack of other options. He gets hurt in camp and comes back after being off for 6-weeks and they ask this rookie pro winger to center the third line?

    Talk about being set up to fail.

  98. OriginalPouzar says:

    JimmyV1965:
    Anyone who argues that Schleppy has proven himself to be an NHL player using stats should watch the games. He’s been invisible out there. If his stats are better than the Drakes, that only bolsters the argument that the Drake isn’t an NHL player either. Both these players have been developed poorly, like virtually every player the team drafts. In the long run, the Drake has been developed just as poorly as Schleppy, just in a different way.

    This madness needs to stop or this team will never improve. Virtually every team in this league has players on their roster drafted after the first round making meaningful contributions to their team. And I don’t mean dmen on the third pair or forwards in bottom six roles. The Oilers have zero.

    There’s a reason for that. It’s getting really frustrating as an Oiler fan to watch them mishandle virtually every prospect that shows any sign of life. This, more than anything else, will sewer our team for years to come.

    I’m am still baffled by the decision to play Drake at center at the beginning of last year.

    This was a rookie pro winger who made the team really because of lack of other options. He gets hurt in camp and comes back after being off for 6-weeks and they ask this rookie pro winger to center the third line?

    Talk about being set up to fail.

    frjohnk: Broissoit learned about the Montoya trade over the public address system?
    Nobody told him?

    It happened in the middle of the game.

    Brossoit didn’t get traded. He learned about the acquisition of a new player – happens to play the same position as him.

  99. hunter1909 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    I remember when I thought being a fan of the Oilers meant that I had to defend the GM and the Coach.

    It was posters at lowetide.blogspot.com who broke me of that.

    Slats Sather built and managed a team that had 2 pairs of immortal hockey players in his top 6; leaving him little trouble filling in the holes on his top 6.

    1st round draft picks were treated like trash. Probably because there were no openings on the team for raw rookies. Sather procured whatever he felt necessary to go on another deep playoff run, and the team usually did just that.

  100. BONE207 says:

    hunter1909: Slats Sather built and managed a team that had 2 pairs of immortal hockey players in his top 6; leaving him little trouble filling in the holes on his top 6.

    1st round draft picks were treated like trash. Probably because there were no openings on the team for raw rookies. Sather procured whatever he felt necessary to go on another deep playoff run, and the team usually did just that.

    Ahh yes….back when the air was clean, girls said yes & gas was full service. Honestly, we can’t compare the two eras.

    Political correctness, salary cap, language barriers & handedness have complicated many things hockey. We can beat each other or ourselves but until we know how the interaction between Oiler departments work, we are just bystanders. Noisy ones at that.

    Let’s talk recipes again. I got a lot of good learning done when we discussed Prime Rib Roasts.

  101. OmJo says:

    hunter1909,

    Was there a salary cap back then? Genuine question.

  102. meanashell11 says:

    OK, recipes it is.

    Tonight I am making lapin au moutarde.

    Lapin, dijon, diced onion, dry white wine and some creme fraiche.

    What is everyone’s wine suggestion? I was thinking a cote de ventoux??

  103. OmJo says:

    BONE207: Let’s talk recipes again. I got a lot of good learning done when we discussed Prime Rib Roasts.

    I love this place.

  104. OmJo says:

    Jethro Tull: So what does being an Oilers fan mean to you? Serious question.

    Happy pills. Lots of happy pills.

    The pink ones taste like bubble gum.

  105. Wilde says:

    Wilde,

    Talking to myself here, but I’m mentally unstable enough to continue.

    The Islanders LW has two positive guys in GF%, and then three negative guys. So it’s likely they know there’s a problem here. They may think Patrick Maroon could be a solution. He’s a positive GF% guy even on our very negative ES GF% team. They’re near the cap too, which makes him an even more attractive option.

    Just hope they don’t look at his penalty differential.

  106. npanciroli says:

    I wanted Ho-Sang included in the Eberle/Strome deal. I think there is a player there especially one that would fit with McDavid.

  107. Gret99zky says:

    Scungilli Slushy:

    Pump and dump them McLellan. It would be a far better plan especially in a lost season than trading a guy you openly don’t want who doesn’t have numbers in the boxcars. Subtlety. Get something decent for them.

    Pump and Dump is a myth with this organization.

    Doesn’t happen. Ever.

  108. Wilde says:

    npanciroli:
    I wanted Ho-Sang included in the Eberle/Strome deal. I think there is a player there especially one that would fit with McDavid.

    What I like about him is he’s ready, right now. He produces in the NHL. He’s not a draft pick years away, we could get him at the deadline and put him with a skill centre right away, especially if Slepyshev’s audition is over.

  109. hunter1909 says:

    npanciroli:
    I wanted Ho-Sang included in the Eberle/Strome deal. I think there is a player there especially one that would fit with McDavid.

    Funny. I was reading about Ho-Sang only today; seems the AHL coach for the Islanders has publicly described Ho-Sang as a “baby”.

    He’s perfect!

  110. Professor Q says:

    meanashell11:
    OK, recipes it is.

    Tonight I am making lapin au moutarde.

    Lapin, dijon, diced onion, dry white wine and some creme fraiche.

    What is everyone’s wine suggestion? I was thinking a cote de ventoux??

    Oyster Bay is always good.

  111. OmJo says:

    Gret99zky: Pump and Dump is a myth with this organization.

    Doesn’t happen.Ever.

    More like Slump and Dump. Oilers should trademark this strategy.

  112. npanciroli says:

    Maybe there are issues with Ho-Sang, but this team need to win some trades.

    I’d rather take a shot at guys like this with legit skill then trotting out Letestu constantly to be scored on and whiff on one-timers because the coach loves his veteran attitude.

  113. russ99 says:

    Meh, ice time with McDavid shoukd be earned, not gifted, and nothing Slepyshev has done the last three years makes me think he’s worth it, other than in a pump and dump situation.

    Face it, Chia made a bunch of bets on young players taking a step forward, and none of them did, except Nurse. So we need to move them out before they have problem contracts for the next batch of youth and either players or cap space for players who can contribute at the NHL level.

    Keeping these players around could very likely lead to another situation next year like this year’s.

    We don’t have a talent gap, we have a capable at the NHL level gap.

  114. AntsOfTheSky says:

    Add me to the growing list of posters that prefer Sleppy over Drake. Not to say that Sleppy is obviously more skilled, but I just want to see them both get the same opportunities. IMO, Sleppy would be showing more than Drake if they had the same opportunity with the 3 skilled C’s this year.

    Makes very little sense to give up on him when they haven’t even tried the Lucic-Drai-Sleppy line from the playoffs once this year!

  115. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    McSorley33:
    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker),

    Khaira was given no favours by the coaching staff, imo.

    He overcame TMac.

    One of the best players coming out of camp. Full stop.

    I truly wonder how much impact Mark Letestu is having on Kass, Sleppy, etc, etc,

    Would not surprise me to see Kass and co. rebound with a new 4C that can skate next year.

    He overcame TMac.

    That’s a damning statement for sure. And unfortunately I see it that way as well. Is that the bar we want to set for unestablished players in this organization? I am so done with this coach.

  116. jtblack says:

    Wilde,

    Beause PC has a great track record when trading with Snow …

    PC wll trade Schleppy and Klef for Ho-Sang …. say he needs cap space avail in case someone writes an offer sheet on Nurse …

  117. Wilde says:

    hunter1909: Funny. I was reading about Ho-Sang only today; seems the AHL coach for the Islanders has publicly described Ho-Sang as a “baby”.

    He’s perfect!

    Full quote:

    “He’s a baby,” Thompson said. “He’s a baby, he’s immature and he’s got a lot of growing to do. I’m excited. The upside of him is outstanding. He worked hard today, he’s been working really hard. We all make mistakes, we all have bad games. It’s how do we respond from those and what do we learn from them? Every piece of this season for Josh, with us, is a development piece.”

    “It’s just going to be a longer process with some people.”

  118. Wilde says:

    jtblack:
    Wilde,

    Beause PC has a great track record when trading with Snow …

    PC wll trade Schleppy and Klef for Ho-Sang ….say he needs cap space avail in case someone writes an offer sheet on Nurse …

    I don’t have too much issue with Chia’s deals at the deadline.

    The players we should have kept had decisions made on them already, (Yakupov, Petry, Schultz) and the players we don’t miss he got average returns for.

  119. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    OriginalPouzar: I feel the opportunities given to Khaira essentially mirror what have been given to Slepy.

    The difference is, somewhat out of nowhere, Khaira seized that opportunity a bit earlier this year – something than Anton hasn’t done.

    Now, don’t get me wrong, I am not “done with the player” and I don’t want to trade him for a nothing return (i.e. trade for the sake of disposing of the player”.

    I would be absolutely fine keeping him, playing him every game the rest of the year on the 2nd/3rd line, re-signing him, etc.

    My point is simply that I’m not going to overly-catastrophize the loss/potential loss of this player as I simply don’t think he’s performed well enough to warrant it.Yes, opportunity has been an issue but others have seized their similar opportunity.

    My point is simply that I’m not going to overly-catastrophize the loss/potential loss of this player as I simply don’t think he’s performed well enough to warrant it. Yes, opportunity has been an issue but others have seized their similar SHITTY opportunity.

    Please don’t feel I’m being presumptuous … but it reads so much better this way.

  120. OriginalPouzar says:

    thehop:
    OriginalPouzar,

    You do realize that production can be directly related to linemates, usage, and TOI.

    P/60 has always been a good way to measure the value of a player as well. The fact that is doesn’t matter to you says something.

    The point most people are trying to make when they argue with you about Slepyshev isn’t that he did or didn’t produce writhin the time he was given. There is evidence to support both sides.

    It’s that he is, talent wise, as good or better than Caggulia who has received cherry minutes with some of the best players in the world and produce results that are just as middling as Slepyshev

    Get good players, keep good players.

    It’s a real thing.

    I understand all that and I don’t discount P/60 outright generally although its effected by sample size especially for a guy that’s only played 70 games.

    At the end of the day, actual points matter to me and those metrics showed that he got to play almost half of his time (40%) with one of those three centers and still didn’t produce.

    Again, I’m not saying I’m done with the player or would trade him for the sake of trading him. In fact, I would play him every game for the rest of the year, including on the 2nd/3rd lines and I would look to re-sign him. All I’m saying is that the “freeslepy is too much as this player has not produced acutal boxcars at the NHL level.

  121. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    Decidedly Skeptical Fan,

    The amount of raw anger over Sleppy reminds me of the Martin Marincin situation.

    I mean I kinda get it but not really.

    His career high in goals in any league was 15 in the KHL and then in NA it was 13 in Bak a few years ago.

    In fact all of Sleppy’s numbers in Bakerfield are rather pedestrian. Maybe he wasn’t getting a good opportunity down their either though?

    Sure I would have loved the guy to keep his hot run from the playoffs last year going into this year but it didn’t workout.

    Both he and Cags were “gifted” winger slots with Drai for two games and both guys laid completely useless performances out there for the coaching staff.

    LT himself even said something along the lines of “you need to give Draisaitl better linemates, schnell!”

    He had his chances, sometimes he played well, other times there was a whole lot of nothing. I hope he does well wherever he lands.

    Unlike some I also don’t think that Cags has a very long leash. He’s in the same boat as Slep IMO and I wouldn’t be surprised to see him in the pressbox more and more if he doesn’t play better.

  122. BeerMe says:

    What we need right now is a Jerred Smithson type. Time to trade some picks!

  123. Wilde says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!,

    The anger isn’t proportional to marginal roster issues because it’s not a marginal roster issue. A real, valuable, goal scoring RW was dumped in order to audition young players.

    Except one of them isn’t getting the audition. Eberle will have been dumped for nothing if Slepyshev or a replacement doesn’t get time on the skill lines.

    The only time Slepyshev struggled with Drai was when Caggiula was also on the line.

    The line that Slepyshev does get time on, is with the tandem that absolutely sewered the team’s early ES goal differential, going 0 GF 11 GA at one point, 55 and 44.

    Slepyshev was a boy in a men’s league in the KHL, and in the AHL our forwarda were and are absolutely atrocious.

    The minutes are available. He isn’t getting them. The McLellan-Chiarelli disconnect continues.

  124. Thinker says:

    I’m not angry about Slepyshev per se; I was never very high on the player. I’m upset with the decisions made by the organization surrounding the player. It’s less inexplicable than the treatment of MPS or Yak, but it follows in the same vein of stupid development. I can respect Chiarelli for walking away from a failed bet, but I don’t see why you would walk away now.

  125. JD_Wry says:

    BeerMe: Jerred Smithson

    Relevant.

  126. frjohnk says:

    Thinker:
    I’m not angry about Slepyshev per se; I was never very high on the player. I’m upset with the decisions made by the organization surrounding the player. It’s less inexplicable than the treatment of MPS or Yak, but it follows in the same vein of stupid development. I can respect Chiarelli for walking away from a failed bet, but I don’t see why you would walk away now.

    Only logical reason would be that he has asked out.

  127. OmJo says:

    russ99: Meh, ice time with McDavid shoukd be earned, not gifted, and nothing Slepyshev has done the last three years makes me think he’s worth it, other than in a pump and dump situation.

    Has any winger on this roster earned it? Poor kid has to play by himself from now on.

  128. GMB3 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    So much angst in Oiler Country regarding the potential trade of a former third round pick that has not been able to establish himself in the NHL after 4-5 years post draft.

    Lots of good skills –so far not able to put it together and grab any opportunity he’s been given.

    I like the player but he is highly overrated in this community based on results.

    He’s got time to establish himself but it is running out – he’s not young.

    Do you think if you post this multiple times a day every single day people will stop the #freesleppy movement? Speaking of grabbing an opportunity and running with it, it looks like he scored pretty well with RNH/Drai/McDavid

  129. Scungilli Slushy says:

    I usually read here first and look at Journal sports, Athletic or ON later in the day, but there is a piece up at The Journal which mentions Slepy doesn’t want to go down.

    Will he head home if not moved? Or hopefully Chia is accommodating him with a trade attempt, and if there is no deal he might get some TOI when other moves are made.

  130. GMB3 says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!,

    You mean his numbers in his first season playing NA pro hockey are pedestrian? Almost like he’s not a top 5 pick? Woah, what a surprise. He was a point per game in the AHL last season.

  131. GMB3 says:

    OriginalPouzar: I understand all that and I don’t discount P/60 outright generally although its effected by sample size especially for a guy that’s only played 70 games.

    At the end of the day, actual points matter to me and those metrics showed that he got to play almost half of his time (40%) with one of those three centers and still didn’t produce.

    Again, I’m not saying I’m done with the player or would trade him for the sake of trading him.In fact, I would play him every game for the rest of the year, including on the 2nd/3rd lines and I would look to re-sign him. All I’m saying is that the “freeslepy is too much as this player has not produced acutal boxcars at the NHL level.

    So you defend draisaitl’s contract citing his 5v5 p/60 number. Yet during 40% of Slepyshevs 5v5 time he didn’t produce? Aren’t those “actual points”?

    What’s “too much”, the #freesleppy hashtag? I’d rather read about that than the quality of your suite in Hong Long or your morning gym routine but we are here…

  132. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    Wilde:
    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!,

    The anger isn’t proportional to marginal roster issues because it’s not a marginal roster issue. A real, valuable, goal scoring RW was dumped in order to audition young players.

    Except one of them isn’t getting the audition. Eberle will have been dumped for nothing if Slepyshev or a replacement doesn’t get time on the skill lines.

    The only time Slepyshev struggled with Drai was when Caggiula was also on the line.

    The line that Slepyshev does get time on, is with the tandem that absolutely sewered the team’s early ES goal differential, going 0 GF 11 GA at one point, 55 and 44.

    Slepyshev was a boy in a men’s league in the KHL, and in the AHL our forwarda were and are absolutely atrocious.

    The minutes are available. He isn’t getting them. The McLellan-Chiarelli disconnect continues.

    Pretty much says it all. Nicely done.

  133. GMB3 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    JimmyV1965,

    Anyone who argues that Schleppy has proven himself to be an NHL player using stats should watch the games.

    You’re in the wrong place.

    No one here has ever watched a game of what you call the hockey.

    “Invisible” sounds like recency bias to me. The guy hasn’t had a run of games all season. Slepy gets two games during our worst stretch of the season where 85% of the team looked like shit.

  134. russ99 says:

    The mind numbing immaturity of our fanbase knows no bounds.

    1A. Stop playing favorites/hated players. It’s bush league, no player is absolute great vs. crap. Look how that player helps or hurts your team. Some players do both. Stop chasing players who can play a part out of town because you need a goat to rail against.

    1B. Just because a coach/GM doesn’t play or trades you favorites or keeps/plays players you don’t like doesn’t mean they’re clueless or incompetent.

    1C. There are many ways to build a winning hockey team and win hockey games. Just because your favorite way isn’t followed doesn’t mean that it’s a crime against nature.

    1D. Sometimes you just lose games or have a losing season. The overreaction seems to be becoming more important that the actual hockey.

    Come on, we’re adults here. This juvenile wailing out at any thing that would be best answered with reasonable thought and discussion is extremely tiresome.

  135. leadfarmer says:

    This team is going nowhere this year. Sleppy has had issues with injuries which derailed his season. I don’t get why this is happening. Not like we have anyone ready in the minors that’s ready for the big leagues

  136. Wilde says:

    russ99,

    This post seems completely out of the blue to me. I can think of maybe one or two sentences that couldn’t classified as reasonable discussion, out of everything that has been posted.

    By my eye, this has been a fairly tame morning/afternoon.

  137. leadfarmer says:

    Congrats to Cogs for contract extension. Settled in nicely in Anaheim

  138. GMB3 says:

    russ99

    Can’t you make the exact argument that you’re downplaying Chiarelli’s misadventures at the helm of this team because he’s building the team in your vision of how we should be successful?

    The evidence of Chiarelli’s incompetence throughout his career as an NHL gm is growing.

    Step off your high horse, you’ve said ridiculous things on this blog, and overreacted in the defence of Kris Russell amongst others

    You’re the guy who claimed the biggest thing that changed this season was sacrificing the good of the team for RNH’s offence (this makes no sense at all, one of the worst takes I’ve actually ever read on this blog), that Drake Caggiula needs to change his stick flex, and that Taylor Hall and Jordan Eberle were somehow responsible for the debacle that’s has been the Edmonton Oilers (that take isn’t aging well either).

    Thanks for points 1A through 1D though. Telling people how to enjoy their hockey team is a bit of an asshole move but to each their own

  139. OriginalPouzar says:

    GMB3: Do you think if you post this multiple times a day every single day people will stop the #freesleppy movement? Speaking of grabbing an opportunity and running with it, it looks like he scored pretty well with RNH/Drai/McDavid

    Yes, I’m the one poster who reiterates his opinion on subjects – got it.

    40% of his NHL career has been spent playing with McDavid, Drai or Nuge and he’s scored 5 goals.

  140. OmJo says:

    russ99:
    The mind numbing immaturity of our fanbase knows no bounds.

    1A. Stop playing favorites/hated players. It’s bush league, no player is absolute great vs. crap. Look how that player helps or hurts your team. Some players do both. Stop chasing players who can play a part out of town because you need a goat to rail against.

    1B. Just because a coach/GM doesn’t play or trades you favorites or keeps/plays players you don’t like doesn’t mean they’re clueless or incompetent.

    1C. There are many ways to build a winning hockey team and win hockey games. Just because your favorite way isn’t followed doesn’t mean that it’s a crime against nature.

    1D. Sometimes you just lose games or have a losing season. The overreaction seems to be becoming more important that the actual hockey.

    Come on, we’re adults here. This juvenile wailing out at any thing that would be best answered with reasonable thought and discussion is extremely tiresome.

    1A. The coach playing favourites is a bigger issue than fans playing favourites. Nobody is saying Slepyshev is absolute greatness, we’re just tired of seeing this team give away prospects without giving them real opportunities to succeed here first.

    1B. When those players go on to have NHL careers on the new team, I think it might hint at a tiny amount of incompetence.

    1C. There are many ways, agreed. What Chiarelli and TMac have done is clearly NOT the way to do it.

    1D. Sometimes you just build a really bad team.

  141. OriginalPouzar says:

    GMB3: So you defend draisaitl’s contract citing his 5v5 p/60 number. Yet during 40% of Slepyshevs 5v5 time he didn’t produce? Aren’t those “actual points”?

    What’s “too much”, the #freesleppy hashtag? I’d rather read about that than the quality of your suite in Hong Long or your morning gym routine but we are here…

    So, we’re going to get personal.

    Understood.

    Enjoy your day, you won’t be getting any responses from me.

    P.S. I had a fantastic leg workout this morning at 3:15 – added a rep to the front squat on each of the four sets – will be moving up in weight next week (hopefully).

  142. Whatif says:

    russ99,

    I fully agree.

  143. GMB3 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Yes, I’m the one poster who reiterates his opinion on subjects – got it.

    40% of his NHL career has been spent playing with McDavid, Drai or Nuge and he’s scored 5 goals.

    Many of other people do as well, but your post quantity is off the charts compared to most here.

    Didn’t you just defend Draisaitl’s contract on the bases of his 5v5 scoring/60? 5v5 p/60 is his rate of production.. and his is at the decided upon “first line level” when playing with a skill centre.

    40% of a career that is 70 games long played out over 3 seasons and no steady spot in the lineup.

  144. OmJo says:

    No need to get personal. We’re all ultimately on the same team here.

  145. McSorley33 says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    Good post yesterday., BOP.

    As you mentioned, thanks to Munny for copying as well.

  146. CrazyCoach says:

    Scungilli Slushy: I wonder if the trade email is driven by Slepy. He may have said play me or trade me or I’m going home. This is where the disconnect is I think with ‘Russians’. I think that they have to feel respected or they want out.

    They have the KHL and now that there are less teams in Siberia, then there are options for them to play there. In the days after the wall came down, a chance to play in North America was a ticket out of a country with food lines and much political instability. Nowadays, not so much, plus the soviet-era thinking of Russian hockey being the best, no salary cap or rookie salary cap, and life seems better.

    And in Slepys case, the coach obviously didn’t like his skillset and didn’t play him, In a time when solutions are sought, maybe try the kid a little. What could it hurt?

    Now, he will go to another team, for peanuts (as per the pattern), then come back here and score the only hat trick of his career, at Rogers.

  147. McSorley33 says:

    Ryan,

    On that note, we can look around the league at other organizations that are similarly poorly-run to pick their pockets.

    Buffalo? Phoenix?

    ***********************************************************************************************
    Same as it ever was…

  148. CrazyCoach says:

    Wilde: Well, since my Duclair pet idea has been ruthlessly taken from me by the powers that be, I’ll start beating the drum on another buy low target:

    Joshua Ho-Sang.

    Well, he was scratched from his latest AHL game, and the reason for this, by the head coach? “He’s a baby. He’s immature!”

    I know the Oilers often like to see themselves as the 70’s Oakland Raiders of the NHL, but attitude means a lot. Ho-Sang has had attitude problems since junior. What makes anyone think he’s going to change now?

  149. JD_Wry says:

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    Probably worth pointing out this is the first time all season the #Yotes will have OEL, Hjalmarsson and Chychrun active in the same game. And it’s mid-January.

    I put the over/under on GF at 0.5.

  150. Gerta Rauss says:

    Sounds like the same lineup as the NSH game per the Oilers website

    Talbot starts

  151. Wilde says:

    CrazyCoach: Well, he was scratched from his latest AHL game, and the reason for this, by the head coach?“He’s a baby.He’s immature!”

    I know the Oilers often like to see themselves as the 70’s Oakland Raiders of the NHL, but attitude means a lot.Ho-Sang has had attitude problems since junior.What makes anyone think he’s going to change now?

    I posted the full quote above, and that headline was basically the NYP doing what it does.

    I think if you’re Edmonton right now you have to do stuff like this. Money’s tight. No one’s gonna trade you proven, good players for nothing.

    Patrick Maroon was notorious for poor dicipline and being out of shape in Anaheim. got 24 EV goals for Martin Gernat.

  152. GMB3 says:

    OriginalPouzar: So, we’re going to get personal.

    Understood.

    Enjoy your day, you won’t be getting any responses from me.

    P.S. I had a fantastic leg workout this morning at 3:15 – added a rep to the front squat on each of the four sets – will be moving up in weight next week (hopefully).

    thanks for sharing

  153. CrazyCoach says:

    Jethro Tull: So what does being an Oilers fan mean to you? Serious question.

    Well, it has changed since seeing the Alberta Oilers in 72, but pretty much the team fanatic ever since then. I remember when the great Jaques Plante was an Oiler, when Dave Dryden played the Oilers, and guys like Paul Shmyr and Stan Weir. In all those years I’ve been a decent fan as I could be all the way from BC. I don’t ever remember being too jaded except for maybe 91-95 when the fire sale was on and it was the outer rim of the NHL.

    That’s about it in a nutshell.

  154. OmJo says:

    Wilde,

    You know, if we had Nelson or Kreuger, who many consider player coaches, I might agree he’s worth the risk.

    But with McLellan? That’s just a disaster waiting to happen. We have enough drama as is this season.

  155. Wilde says:

    OmJo:
    Wilde,

    You know, if we had Nelson or Kreuger, who many consider player coaches, I might agree he’s worth the risk.

    But with McLellan? That’s just a disaster waiting to happen. We have enough drama as is this season.

    I’d agree with that, McLellan might not like him. But he has enough skill to stand out amongst the other options, a la Yamamoto.

    He also produces at the AHL level though, which is good because as I’ve said and will say until it changes, our AHL forwards are extremely poor.

  156. McSorley33 says:

    I have no idea if Anton Slepyshev is going to have an NHL career, but a team with an analytics department and a need has an enormous advantage over the rest of the pack. That ‘pack’ includes your Edmonton Oilers, with the Slepyshev decision offering confirmation.
    ****************************************************************************************************************
    LT – As always, this is gold.

    Your new name is Rumpelstiltskin

  157. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Decidedly Skeptical Fan,

    Jethro Tull,

    McSorley33,

    Thanks for clarifying. Actually I just worded things poorly it seems. What I was saying was the Oilers stayed patient, i.e. did not trade Khaira while he was benched, AHL’d, showed little. He then finally broke through.

    Slepy though, has had less time to work through than Khaira has, including missing camp due to injury, showed well in the playoffs when given a chance and rather than give him more time to break through like Khaira they want to trade him and keep Caggiula who is no better and is smaller.

    So that was my point. Not to say Khaira was gifted something. The only thing he was gifted was more time than Slepy. I don’t understand the urge to trade him.

  158. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    Wilde: I’d agree with that, McLellan might not like him. But he has enough skill to stand out amongst the other options, a la Yamamoto.

    He also produces at the AHL level though, which is good because as I’ve said and will say until it changes, our AHL forwards are extremely poor.

    TMac really complicates Peter’s job. Not sure what I would like to see him do. We pretty much know TMac doesn’t like Sleppy. Highly unlikely he would like Ho Sang. Almost leaning toward asking Connor if he was willing to tolerate an asshat on his wing with tons of talent. If he says yes, I guess I would say go for it Peter. I know this would be bypassing TMac, but at this point, Peters job is on the line and TMac is part of the reason for it.

  159. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    russ99,

    I don’t see anyone saying Slep should be gifted minutes with McDavid. We just want to see him get in the lineup everyday on the 4th line and work his way up if he has it in him. If not, sail on.

    But it’s hard to show us anything when you are in the pressbox regularly

    When Maroon, Cammy and Letestu go for picks shouldn’t then Slepy get a bigger role so we can see what he has? Same for Caggiula.
    .

  160. hags9k says:

    Anyway, like I was sayin’, 8-Track is the fruit of the sea. You can barbecue it, boil it, broil it, bake it, saute it. Dey’s uh, 8-Track-kabobs, 8-Track creole, 8-Track gumbo. Pan fried, deep fried, stir-fried. There’s pineapple 8-Track, lemon 8-Track, coconut 8-Track, pepper 8-Track, 8-Track soup, 8-Track stew, 8-Track salad, 8-Track and potatoes, 8-Track burger, 8-Track sandwich…………..That- that’s about it.

    LET’S GO OILERS
    LET’S GO OILERS

  161. Wilde says:

    Decidedly Skeptical Fan: TMac really complicates Peter’s job.Not sure what I would like to see him do.We pretty much know TMac doesn’t like Sleppy.Highly unlikely he would like Ho Sang.Almost leaning toward asking Connor if he was willing to tolerate an asshat on his wing with tons of talent.If he says yes, I guess I would say go for it Peter.I know this would be bypassing TMac, but at this point, Peters job is on the line and TMac is part of the reason for it.

    Chiarelli’s had a come-to-jesus discussion with Todd before, I’m reasonably certain. About Leon down the middle.

    It worked then, evidently it didn’t work with Slepy. Todd also won out in the backup goalie standoff. I don’t think Todd is anti-skill, especially when it’s the kind that puts the eyeballs in awe. Yamamoto is such a player, as is Ho-Sang. Problem is, Kailer is a WHL kid who says and does all the right things, in a coach’s eyes.

    Todd’s coaching to save his job.

    He might be sacrificing 20 year old’s jobs at that alter if we let him too long at it.

  162. JD_Wry says:

    hags9k,

    8-Track Tikka!

  163. Cassandra says:

    Great interview at the Athletic with John Hynes with many interesting on thoughts on Taylor Hall, the most underappreciated star of my lifetime.

    A snippet:

    CC: You can talk to players around the league and you’ll say, ‘Hey, what did you think of that game last night?’ And they’re not interested in other games. They have no idea what other players are doing. Whereas, Taylor Hall, when you talk to him, he can tell you who is leading the league in goals. He’s a diehard. Do you sense that about him?

    Hynes: Yeah. He is. He is. He’s very passionate about the game. He’s committed with the way he lives his life, his training and his desire to compete. He’s been really fun to coach for that reason. He’s an excellent player. He loves hockey, he loves the game. He’s great to talk to as a coach. He has good insights, whenever I’ve had discussions with him or get his opinion on certain things, they’re well thought out. Lots of times, they’re insightful. That helps you get better as a coach. That’s one of the best things about coaching in this league is being able to coach guys like him.

    CC: Do you have an example of that or a conversation that shows how he thinks?

    Hynes: He’s very perceptive about — he’s into his body and rest and recovery. We talked a little bit last year about some of our scheduling. Our pregame skates versus not pregame skates. Sometimes having a couple days off at certain times. It’s not like he comes in and said, ‘This is what I want.’ It’s, ‘This is what I saw. I talked to some other players, this is what other teams have done. This might work for us.’ He’s got strong reasons why. … They’re insightful. It’s not a guy coming in looking for an easier schedule, it’s a guy with a little bit of a plan and some reasons why.

  164. Thinker says:

    I think people are missing the fact that Slepyshev’s PWM (Points without McDavid) is higher than Connor’s.

  165. Wilde says:

    Cassandra,

    Love interviews with active coaches, always a lot to unpack, if you want to read in between the lines.

    Nothing surprising in there about Hall.

    The answer about Shero’s year end meeting with him last year has an interesting insight about the dynamic of New Jersey being scared of losing him in FA.

  166. Professor Q says:

    Thinker:
    I think people are missing the fact that Slepyshev’s PWM (Points without McDavid) is higher than Connor’s.

    It would really be something if McDavid had the highest Points Without McDavid.

  167. flea says:

    Very disappointed how this season has gone. I’m nervous to watch tonight, as the Oilers have absolutely sewered this guaranteed win nights alot this year. Couple that with one of my good friends who is a Flames fan is coming over to hang out. Just can’t defend this team anymore – it’s unfortunate.

    With that being said, I love stories in sports. I love when teams beat the odds, go on runs, do something completely unexpected.

    There is still time for this Oilers team to turn it around, but they would basically need a miracle. I’m definitely not putting money on them, but the fan in me wants to see the epic comebacks. It’s what makes sports great.

    Start of a 10 game winning streak tonight! Lets go Oilers! (please score more than 1)

  168. Wilde says:

    I’m actually excited for tonights game, because I think there will be goals, just wish the lines were different. But if there isn’t goals, then hellish chaos during the bye week!

    Win win.

  169. Jethro Tull says:

    Professor Q: It would really be something if McDavid had the highest Points Without McDavid.

    Wouldn’t shock me. The guy’s a phenom.

  170. Jethro Tull says:

    Cassandra,

    Good post, but it often takes young people one of two jobs before they figure out their grand plan and how to achieve it. The verbal whilst in Edmonton was one of entitlement. Not saying this is true. But maybe the bitterness of the trade (and he was bitter) has awoken something within him that we may wish we left dormant..

  171. Rondo says:

    Would you trade Jesse Puljujarvi for Pierre Luc Dubois or Matthew Tkachuk or Mikhail Sergachev?

  172. hags9k says:

    flea,

    I think there’s a chance. Might be a Harry with Mary chance, but there’s still a pulse. At some point McDavid’s team is going to go on a heater, it’s not if it’s when.

    Also this team seems to have been procrastinating all year. Wildly inconsistent but when they are playing hard, they have looked good.

    The roster holes and the special teams may not come around enough and they may also just run out of track this year. But you never know.

  173. Wilde says:

    Rondo:
    Would you trade Jesse Puljujarvi for Pierre Luc Dubois or Matthew Tkachuk?

    Tough to say, since all three players are being zoomed.
    (Panarin, Backlund+Frolik, Mcdavid)

    By my eye Jesse has the best tools.

    But Matt Tkachuk might have got us past Anaheim.

  174. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    I don’t really care about his P/60 to tell you the truth. I care about his actual production and its middling

    P/60 is production.

    It’s not a made up number.

    It’s his points results and then given in the form of “per 60” so you can compare with other players because raw totals don’t take into account opportunity, which is TOI.

    Basically you said “I don’t care about his production I care about his production”

  175. Pescador says:

    hags9k:
    Anyway, like I was sayin’, 8-Track is the fruit of the sea. You can barbecue it, boil it, broil it, bake it, saute it. Dey’s uh, 8-Track-kabobs, 8-Track creole, 8-Track gumbo. Pan fried, deep fried, stir-fried. There’s pineapple 8-Track, lemon 8-Track, coconut 8-Track, pepper 8-Track, 8-Track soup, 8-Track stew, 8-Track salad, 8-Track and potatoes, 8-Track burger, 8-Track sandwich…………..That- that’s about it.

    LET’S GO OILERS
    LET’S GO OILERS

    Ever had a Bacon n’ 8tracker?

  176. Cassandra says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    OriginalPouzar,

    I don’t really care about his P/60 to tell you the truth. I care about his actual production and its middling

    P/60 is production.

    It’s not a made up number.

    It’s his points results and then given in the form of “per 60” so you can compare with other players because raw totals don’t take into account opportunity, which is TOI.

    Basically you said “I don’t care about his production I care about his production”

    This can’t be repeated enough. The refusal to consider the /60 is either a rhetorical device or a massive blindspot. It’s like when people try and compare Hall and Lucic’s season totals in goals, while ignoring games played and assists, in order to demonstrate they aren’t “that” different.

    It is either a lie or it is ignorance. Can you imagine evaluating a baseball player without considering the denominator (i.e. plate appearances)?

  177. Pescador says:

    JD_Wry:
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    Probably worth pointing out this is the first time all season the #Yotes will have OEL, Hjalmarsson and Chychrun active in the same game. And it’s mid-January.

    I put the over/under on GF at 0.5.

    0.5 ?
    Oilers PK goals allowed tonight,
    I’ll take the over

  178. HT Joe says:

    Rondo:
    Would you trade Jesse Puljujarvi for Pierre Luc Dubois or Matthew Tkachuk or Mikhail Sergachev?

    It’s tough because Dubois, Tkachuk and Sergachev ALL seem to be on paces for a high points per game pace than Jesse, BUT I’m confident that if we made the trade now, Jesse’s production would explode and the player we bring in would implode.

    I don’t know enough about Sergachev’s quality of competition and linemates to make the call, but his production looks dynamite!

  179. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Pescador: Ever had a Bacon n’ 8tracker?

    Yes! And here’s a recipe from the Krapp Food Kitchen:
    8 Track (preferably Radio Shack)
    Fatty hamburger
    6 cans of mushroom soup
    1 pound Velveeta
    39 Krapp process singles

    You can combine them any way you want, but make sure to get lots of singles INTO the 8 track.

    BBQ at the highest heat possible, use gas if you need to.

    Take off the Q and sear all 6 sides to keep moisture in per Sheps.

    Enjoy!

    Go Oilers!!! (or not)

    Swede🤔

  180. Thinker says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    OriginalPouzar,

    I don’t really care about his P/60 to tell you the truth. I care about his actual production and its middling

    P/60 is production.

    It’s not a made up number.

    It’s his points results and then given in the form of “per 60” so you can compare with other players because raw totals don’t take into account opportunity, which is TOI.

    Basically you said “I don’t care about his production I care about his production”

    This is why I think you should have to pass a test to vote.

  181. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Rondo:
    Would you trade Jesse Puljujarvi for Pierre Luc Dubois or Matthew Tkachuk or Mikhail Sergachev?

    I might for Sergachev. It would open up options for improving the D. And I think JP is a beast in the making.

  182. Professor Q says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Yes! And here’s a recipe from the Krapp Food Kitchen:
    8 Track (preferably Radio Shack)
    Fatty hamburger
    6 cans of mushroom soup
    1 pound Velveeta
    39 Krapp process singles

    You can combine them any way you want, but make sure to get lots of singles INTO the 8 track.

    BBQ at the highest heat possible, use gas if you need to.

    Take off the Q and sear all 6 sides to keep moisture in per Sheps.

    Enjoy!

    Go Oilers!!! (or not)

    Swede🤔

    Wait…where am I being taken off to?

    This is highly suspect…

  183. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Jethro Tull: So what does being an Oilers fan mean to you? Serious question.

    Hoping and praying my favorite team wins every game and The Cup.

    I grew up in the glory years and was spoiled.

    Got to re-live it once in 06.

    This city vibrates when the Oilers are good and it’s a great feeling.

    I’ve cheered for them through thick and thin and can’t stop now or else I betray the joy they brought me in the past.

    When you think about all the players you’ve cheered for over the years you realize that you’re really cheering for the logo, for the laundry.

    I identify with the Oilers because they’ve been a part of life since I remember, even when I didn’t live in Edmonton for almost 10 years.

    So when the Executive of the team makes poor decision I get mad because they’re taking possible joy from me.

    I don’t say “we” anymore, because this place and the decade of darkness broke me of that, but they are my team and they can bring me and my city joy when they are good and I always cheer, even when they’re bad.

    I’ll bitch whine and moan when players don’t seem to try, the coach makes mistake and when the GM makes mistake because they take the joy from me.

    When they won McDavid all the dominoes were lined up to be a dominate team and then Peter and Todd proceed to fuck a lot of things up and have taken future joy from me and this city.

    Tonight I’ll sit down and watch the game and try to will everyone to do their best and cheer the good plays and hopefully get some joy from the game.

  184. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Professor Q: Wait…where am I being taken off to?

    This is highly suspect…

    Sorry I forgot to mention there are a lot of PCBs in this recipe, has affected my mental agility.

    Peter Chiarelli Bads. 😩

  185. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Over the last month or so, I’ve been gradually compartmentalizing with this team. Not watching the games, trying to cut back on posts to this site, certainly not buying any game tickets or memorabilia.

    This stuff is supposed to be fun and entertaining, and this team/organization is just so dysfunctional and demoralizing. And 2.5 hours of watching a game just to see a couple rushes from Connor seems absolutely pointless when you can just see the same thing on the next day highlights package.

    Find myself looking forward with way more enthusiasm to this weekend’s NFL Divisional Playoffs than anything associated with these meaningless hockey games against nondescript teams.

    This team is supposed to be a saving grace in -30 weather and they’re a complete clusterfuck from the top of the owner’s suite to the bottom of the depth chart.

    I’ve been taking the blue pill too long with this team. Time to switch to the red pill and more productive pursuits.

    I’ve lived that.

    It sucks.

  186. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    frjohnk: Just a bunch of dinks.

    Every one of em

  187. Admiral Ackbar says:

    Good day gentlemen! Headed to the game tonight. Anyone else coming?

  188. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Professor Q: Wait…where am I being taken off to?

    This is highly suspect…

    Hey hey get back to bed!!!!

  189. Pescador says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    .

    This is supposed to be fun

    I’ve been taking the blue pill too long with this team. Time to switch to the red pill and more productive pursuits.

    Q: does the red pill help the effects of the blue pill go down,
    Or should I go to the hospital?

  190. Pescador says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Yes! And here’s a recipe from the Krapp Food Kitchen:
    8 Track (preferably Radio Shack)
    Fatty hamburger
    6 cans of mushroom soup
    1 pound Velveeta
    39 Krapp process singles

    You can combine them any way you want, but make sure to get lots of singles INTO the 8 track.

    BBQ at the highest heat possible, use gas if you need to.

    Take off the Q and sear all 6 sides to keep moisture in per Sheps.

    Enjoy!

    Go Oilers!!! (or not)

    Swede🤔

    Ya that sounds like krapp

  191. jtblack says:

    At VGS KNIGHTS open practice. Packed. I guess all their practices are open and all packed! Prob 2,000 ppl

    Amazing support from the Community.

  192. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Durag: Our laundry, yeah!!

    Boooo other laundry!!

    That’s exactly it.

    Fuck them and people who look like them.

    GOILERS!!!

  193. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    OmJo: Happy pills. Lots of happy pills.

    The pink ones taste like bubble gum.

    Not that far off really.

    A source of joy independent of “regular life”

  194. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    russ99:
    Meh, ice time with McDavid shoukd be earned, not gifted, andnothing Slepyshev has done the last three years makes me think he’s worth it, other than in a pump and dump situation.

    Face it, Chia made a bunch of bets on young players taking a step forward, and none of them did, except Nurse. So we need to move them out before they have problem contracts for the next batch of youth and either players or cap space for players who can contribute at the NHL level.

    Keeping these players around could very likely lead to another situation next year like this year’s.

    We don’t have a talent gap, we have a capable at the NHL level gap.

    You meant to write:

    “Chia made a bunch of bets on young players but Tmac plays Cammy while Sleppy is scratched when they have no hope of making the playoffs”

  195. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    BeerMe:
    What we need right now is a Jerred Smithson type. Time to trade some picks!

    *shit eating grin*

    “I got you your Center”

  196. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Woodguy v2.0: You meant to write:

    “Chia made a bunch of bets on young players but Tmac plays Cammy while Sleppy is scratched when they have no hope of making the playoffs”

    Grrrrr

  197. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Trade them all and play the kids 20 min each a night. Make it count!

  198. Scungilli Slushy says:

    #freeMcLellan

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