G46 2017-18: Oilers at Golden Knights

The Edmonton Oilers won a game—that’s a welcome respite from recent events—and it’s possible for creative writers to thread the needle when presenting playoff scenarios. I’m not going to do that because it would insult your intelligence. Let’s move on. It’s Tabernac Saturday and we’re on to Vegas.

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 RED RUM, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • January 2016: 2-2-2, goal differential -3 (6 points)
  • January 2017: 3-3-0, goal differential -3 (6 points)
  • January 2018: 2-4-0, goal differential -11 (4 points)

G7 in 2016 January was a 2-1 shootout win over the Calgary Flames and it was the same one year later I kid you not. Last night’s win in Arizona was a welcome breath of fresh air for fans but you can see how much has been lost. If the Oilers run the January table, they’re still so far from home.

 AFTER 45, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers 15-16: 17-23-5, goal differential -26 (39 points)
  • Oilers 16-17: 23-15-7, goal differential +7 (53 points)
  • Oilers 17-18: 19-23-3, goal differential -22 (41 points)
G46 in 15-16 was a 2-1 shootout win over the Flames as above, and a year later it was a 3-1 win over the Coyotes. Edmonton could win its 20th game of the season tonight, and if the club continues on its current trek the final record would be something like 35-42-5, 75 points.

 WHAT TO EXPECT FROM JANUARY

  • At home to: Los Angeles, Anaheim (Expected 0-1-1) (Actual 1-1-0)
  • On the road to: Dallas, Chicago, Nashville, Arizona, Vegas (Expected 2-2-1) (Actual 1-3-0)
  • At home to: Vancouver, Buffalo, Calgary (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 4-4-2, 10 points in 10 games
  • Current results: 2-4-0, four points in six games

After tonight the club gets a week off and we have the All-Star break and things will get a little loose. Vegas are fire at home, I don’t know that it’s reasonable to expect a point from this game (although I projected a point from this contest).

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

  • Klefbom-Benning went 19-12 in 17:28, 1-0 GF and 6-0 in HDSC’s (mostly with the McDavid line). I’m a big time fan of Oscar, he’s coming along now, 20 5×5 minutes and six shot attempts. This team will win if Klef rattles and hums, he solves a lot of problems. Pairing went 11-4 against Perlini-Stepan-Panik, which I take to be the Coyotes second line. Benning moved the puck well and hung in defensively.
  • Nurse-Larsson went 15-15 in 17:07, 2-1 in GF and 4-5 in HDSC’s. To my eye there was a little roaming both men, although they delivered a good possession number in the toughest minutes. Went 7-3 against Dvorak-Keller-Archibald, which I count as Arizona’s top line. Nurse ripped two pucks past their goaler, he has a bomb. I’m really enjoying the progression we’re seeing from this young man. Larsson is a player this old timey hockey fan appreciates a lot, he’s a rock and the back difficulties appear to be the lesser as days go down.
  • Sekera-Russell went 7-15 in 17:27 and a lot of that had to do with unnecessary turnovers, wonky passes and indecision. Pair was 0-0 in GF and 1-3 in HDSC’s, Russell made one play where he slowly moved up the ice, reached the neutral zone, waited until it was too late, made a poor pass and was enveloped by Coyotes. Sekera made some good plays, Russell looks betwixt and between at this time. Went 2-5 against Rieder-Fischer-Domi, and 1-6 against Perlini-Stepan-Panik. They’ll get killed tonight with the same decisions.
  • Cam Talbot stopped one of three and was pulled, something going on there. I wonder. Al Montoya stopped all 19.
  • NaturalStatTrick and NHL.com.

FORWARDS, LAST NIGHT

  • Maroon-McDavid-Draisaitl accounted for four points on the night. Went 19-13, 2-0 GF and 8-1 HDSC’s. The coach likes this line. McDavid, as predicted, set his jaw and slipped into ‘to hell with this noise’ mode at the end of the first and basically willed the Maroon goal. Leon was the most wobbly of Edmonton’s good players, making dangerous passes and not quite getting control of the puck in situations he would normally thrive in. No matter, this trio is vish.
  • Lucic-Nuge-Puljujarvi had an unusual evening. Lucic had four HDSC’s but pucks were sailing past him in a fashion similar to the childhood game ‘keepaway’ for much of the night. He took a damned silly penalty late, too. Nuge scored and skated miles, easily the most effective member of the unit. JP’s offense has left him since he’s been banished from McDavid island, this is a very poor outcome of the line shuffle. Line went 11-10, 0-0 GF and 2-0 HDSC’s together.
  • Khaira-Strome-Cammalleri went 4-10, 1-0 GF and 1-2  in the HDSC’s. Khaira was the best player on the line, but I liked Strome’s work, too. I think the former Islander may be turning a corner, welcome news if true. Cammalleri can still show flashes of that spectacular offensive ability, just not as much.
  • Caggiula-Letestu-Kassian were the one line I didn’t see good at all. Were 6-10, 0-1 GF and 1-4 HDSC’s. I liked Kassian on the PK and not much else. Caggiula doesn’t get to the part of the game where bat meets ball anymore.

GOALIE CONTROVERSY

I don’t think so, but Cam Talbot isn’t where he needs to be and Montoya is playing very well right now. I would run Talbot tonight, your mileage may vary.

Ten days ago Fussy Britches tweeted this out and it hit the hockey world this week as a rumor. One thing we always need to remember about these tidbits is that they may be incomplete. Darren Dreger suggested a few days ago that a “Taylor Hall for Cody Ceci” trade was discussed (one for one) but  logic and reason should lead us to challenge that notion. Peter Chiarelli has himself in a spot of bother all by his lonesome, no need for me to add to it with further eye roll emoticons.

Is Caggiula as a centrepiece for Hoffman reasonable? Per 82 games, Caggiula is scoring 10.6 goals and 23.9 points in the NHL. He is not a prospect (23 now) and his numbers suggest mid-level usage.

DRAKE CAGGIULA 2016-17

 

  • 5×5 points per 60: 1.04 (11th among regular forwards)
  • 5×4 points per 60: 4.25 (5th among regular forwards)
  • Corsi for 5×5 %: 47.8
  • Corsi Rel 5×5 %: -2.0
  • DFF Elite 5×5 %: 38.7
  • DFF Elite Rel 5×5 %: -10.6 (23 percent of TOI v. elites)
  • Shots on goal/percentage: 93 shots/7.5%
  • Boxcars: 60gp, 7-11-18
  • (All numbers via Puck IQStats.HockeyAnalysis.com and hockey-reference)

DRAKE CAGGIULA 2017-18

 

  • 5×5 points per 60: 1.11 (12th among regular forwards)
  • 5×4 points per 60: 3.10 in 19 minutes
  • Corsi for 5×5 %: 49.35
  • Corsi Rel 5×5 %: -3.44
  • DFF Elite 5×5 %: unavailable
  • DFF Elite Rel 5×5 %: unavailable
  • Shots on goal/percentage: 51 shots/9,8%
  • Boxcars: 33gp, 5-4-9
  • (All numbers via hockey-reference)

We know usage is a big deal for complementary players, Caggiula has been fortunate enough to play with Connor McDavid quite a bit during his 1.5 seasons with the Oilers.

  • Caggiula scoring with McDavid 5×5: 137:40, 3-4-7 (3.06)
  • Caggiula scoring w/o McDavid 5×5:  867:09, 5-7-12 (0.83)

I’m not certain Drake Caggiula is going to have a long NHL career, will give credit for his establishing himself within the Oilers roster quickly. His speed makes him attractive to the coach, but for me Edmonton might be better off finding a burner with a little more offense and two-way acumen. Sometimes players look impressive without delivering the goods. Mr. Caggiula is neither prospect nor established, in my opinion.

 

 

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  1. OriginalPouzar says:

    The much anticipated game in Vegas tonight.

    The Oilers got two points last night but it sure as heck wasn’t pretty and it sure as heck wasn’t close to a “perfect game” from the team.

    I would think that they don’t look past this game to the festivities and the bye week but who knows?

    I do know that the history of these two teams predicts a blow out in favor of the Oilers (notwithstanding good goalies back for Vegas).

    I think it should be a very fun game – I anticipate the crown will be loud and somewhat in support of the Oilers. Thousands made the trip. I’m sure they will be sober too….

  2. OriginalPouzar says:

    Its nice to see Benning finally getting his feet under him a bit – he’s been playing better the last few weeks to my eye (while the team as a whole has been struggling).

    Klef as well – I think the 10 days off (and the shot) helped him quite a bit – we are seeing how much of an effect the shoulder injury has had on him this season. Hopefully his fall in to the boards does not re-aggravate it. Only 4 games left this month though – lots of rest coming up.

  3. OriginalPouzar says:

    One of the reasons to tune in each and every night and for each an every period is to watch the progression of a few of the younger player, in particular Darnell Nurse. Even take away his two goals last night – he had a splendid night. A few issues defending but a great night breaking up plays and transitioning the puck.

  4. OriginalPouzar says:

    I wonder if last night will force Coach Todd to maybe give Darnell some PP time.

    I’m not sure he’s ready for being the blueline QB per se but he sometimes has a bomb.

    His shot is kind of hit and miss – it can be muffin like when he’s rushed or its not a perfect set-up, however, when he has time to walk in to it, he can shoot the pill.

  5. HiddenDarts says:

    Great points on the Drake. It’s been a long time since I’ve seen a player that often “looks so good doing absolutely completely nothing”.

    The love for him from the coach is simply unexplainable. Meanwhile, Slepy (who hasn’t exactly rocked it either) sits.

    Problem is, the Drake does look good enough that you wonder if one day everything actually does click and he turns from mid-range player to impact player. I guess the question is, really, do we really have the patience to wait for this potential.

    Go Oilers!

  6. HiddenDarts says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Every time I see a game like that from Nurse, I become paralyzed with fear that his contract is growing by the minute.

    Earlier in the season, I, too, would have said, “throw him on the powerplay!” But now, until we get that 7 years @ $4ish, NO POWERPLAY FOR YOU!

    Love me some Darnell, but damn. Sign the man already!

  7. OriginalPouzar says:

    My goodness the fancies on Drake are still awful.

    He does like to be tenacious and throw the body around – unfortunately, he has a smallish frame and the one plus that he has (tenacity and providing energy with hits) leads to injury.

  8. jake70 says:

    If there was an organisation called “The Anti-NHL- expansion League”, I would be a card carrying member, no…I would be president. And for that I hope the Oilers really show up tonight and poor some cold water on this Vegas thing…..score 9…let in none.

  9. OriginalPouzar says:

    HiddenDarts:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Every time I see a game like that from Nurse, I become paralyzed with fear that his contract is growing by the minute.

    Earlier in the season, I, too, would have said, “throw him on the powerplay!” But now, until we get that 7 years @ $4ish, NO POWERPLAY FOR YOU!

    Love me some Darnell, but damn. Sign the man already!

    I wonder if RFA status and potential contract is part of the useage? I generally don’t think that it is (or should be) but perhaps? With that said, Darnell is not your prototypical PP guy and, up and till the last few months, has never provided much offence. I can see why his PP time has been essentially nil.

    The saving grace I have with Nurse’s giant step this year is I’ve never though he’d provide enough offence to warrant a big time contract. He is starting to produce more consistently which is awesome, and frightening.

    The one thing that

  10. fishman says:

    Went to the game last night as wife and I are now officially snowbirds. The weather has been wonderful. The game itself was awful and if it wasn’t for Oiler fans rink would have had about 5000 fans. Don’t see how this franchise survives. McDavid was reason enough to attend this game as he was truly spectacular ! We may also be seeing the emergence of Darnell who was outstanding! Perhaps a few others were OK but this was a bad hockey game against a very poor club. Not a Milan hater but a woeful performance. Handled the puck like a grenade and was skating in sand. Another 5 Years, holy crap. Hopefully they can bounce back tonight but surely season is already lost. This is really a tough team to be a fan of!

    Go Oilers!

  11. frjohnk says:

    A couple of weeks ago I had the opportunity to look at what the stuff the analytical coaches are looking for and what is measured for forwards.

    Last night I was able to see what is being measured for Dmen. These are all defensive metrics. Many of them are being tracked and can be found in public data bases, some of them are not.

    Here is the list ( Im probably forgetting a couple)

    some on ice metrics
    -shot attempts allowed per 60
    -shot attempts allowed compared to other D on the team per 60
    -team record when Dman plays over 20 minutes a game
    -team record when Dman plays between 15-20 min a game
    -team record when Dman plays less than 20 min a game

    some individual metrics
    -hits
    -I believe there was a stat that measured hits that separated opposing player from puck
    -blocks
    -zone entries allowed
    -zone exits ( getting the puck out,ie pass, skate or chip off boards)
    -lose puck recoveries
    -rebound recoveries
    -passes allowed into homeplate area
    -shots allowed from homeplate area
    -there was also something about how they played oddman rushes, breaking up passes, blocked shots, shots allowed

    some metrics above are usually per 60, some were per minute like hits and blocks, some were compared to other Dmen on team.

    Very interesting stuff. There was more, it was the best defensive metric stats I have ever seen. Pretty sure all the bases were covered. All teams have these stats, to what degree they use them IDK

  12. leadfarmer says:

    Caligula for Hoffman? That can’t be a serious proposal. Chia has to realize he’s not dealing with himself.

  13. leadfarmer says:

    I go with Talbot tonight. Montoya played pretty much a full game and Talbot was pulled to wake the team up. Neither goal was his fault

  14. fishman says:

    leadfarmer,

    Agreed. He looked pretty pissed when he got the hook. Give him the opportunity to bounce back. I guess on the down side if he lets in a couple quick ones again it won’t be pretty!

  15. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Easy to speculate what Cam was ticked about.

    But it could have been anything

    -not getting a mercy hook during the 5-0 games but getting the hook early last night

    -team not ready to play again

    -mad for getting the hook when neither goal was realistically stoppable.

    -lost a bet

    -realized he left his garage door open.

    -spilled gatorade on his white away jersey.

    I would start him this game, too.

  16. dustrock says:

    What’s interesting is that Friedman confirmed that Caggiula was offered for Hoffman. So TreenasOil must have some kind of connection to the team.

    She called Jokinen to LA first as well.

  17. frjohnk says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): Easy to speculate what Cam was ticked about.

    he is probably pissed mostly at himself. As a competitor he wants to stop every shot.
    But the team was not ready again to start the game and the D made some bad mistakes on blown coverage and a pass into the slot on those goals against.

  18. Scungilli Slushy says:

    dustrock:
    What’s interesting is that Friedman confirmed that Caggiula was offered for Hoffman. So TreenasOil must have some kind of connection to the team.

    She called Jokinen to LA first as well.

    Stauffer maybe? Certainly his sense of humour.

  19. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Other than that I don’t think they can afford any more higher salaries until Sekera/Russell can be moved, that type of deal would help them recover from previous trades. It would be nice for the crazy to go the Oilers way for once.

  20. Scungilli Slushy says:

    If Strome plays well at C for stretch I don’t think that is very good news for Nuge, especially if they are getting all bothered about Hoffman.

  21. ashley says:

    I too am enjoying Nurse’s progress. It’s interesting to look at that draft as it gives an idea of how hard it is to draft Dmen in the first 10 picks. I recall an article from Calgary interviewing Feaster about the 6OV Monahan pick and he hinted that they were looking at a big Dman but Monahan’s offensive abilities were too strong to ignore. This was presumably Nurse.

    For 5 years, Monahan has been head and shoulders above Nurse in value and looked to be definitely the right call for the Flames. But Nurse has continued to work and develop at his position and now I’m not sure there is much difference in value between the two players considering the high value of big, quick responsible Dmen in the league. In fact, I would guess that the Flames would entertain a one for one trade of Monahan for Nurse. I doubt the Oilers would though.

    A top 10 pick is a big ticket item. For a GM wanting to make an impact on the team, picking a Dman means he may not be around to see that decision fully mature.

  22. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Scungilli Slushy,

    Russell has not good of late and Sekera not back to his old self yet. They are in no position to move him, though.

    An ideal left side would be
    Klef
    Nurse
    Sekera
    Davey

    Russell swapped for a righty

    Larsson
    RH Russell
    Benning
    Boqvist?!?!

  23. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    If Strome plays well at C for stretch I don’t think that is very good news for Nuge, especially if they are getting all bothered about Hoffman.

    Doubt that. I think TMac adores Nuge. If he has as much say as some people seem to think he does then I doubt that. He is tougher on Drai post game than he is on Nuge.

  24. Scungilli Slushy says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    Scungilli Slushy,

    Russell has not good of late and Sekera not back to his old self yet. They are in no position to move him, though.

    An ideal left side would be
    Klef
    Nurse
    Sekera
    Davey

    Russell swapped for a righty

    Larsson
    RH Russell
    Benning
    Boqvist?!?!

    That would be ideal. Remember when Chia talked about Ference and how he would handle him? He implied he could have tough conversations with him about playing.

    I think he needs to do that with 2 of his NMCs who aren’t performing to their contracts and what they were signed to be for the team.

  25. russ99 says:

    I’d go with Montoya, give Talbot a week off to sort himself.

    Montoya has come in and looked good to go.

    The stat is what – 63% of the time the team scoring first wins, well a Talbot hasn’t helped us a whole lot with that.

    Truth be told, I still think a large part is how we burned him out last year and the first half of this year, that’s a lot of minutes under his belt. Especially this year, a lot of minutes where he’s expected to keep us in games we’ve fallen behind.

    Now that we have a stabile backup, let’s use him.

  26. frjohnk says:

    ashley,

    Nurse is coming on strong but is not near Monahan.

    Monahans comparables are Draisaitl, MacKinnon, Scheifle as centers.

    These are elite or close to elite number 1 centers, and have similar value of a number 1 Dman or a very good number 2.

    Nurse has played as our best Dman this year, but he is not in that conversation. Though he could be.

  27. frjohnk says:

    russ99: Now that we have a stabile backup, let’s use him.

    Yup,

    Oilers need to know if a Talbot/Montoya tandemn will work for next year and they might as well find out in the last half of this season.

    If not, then the have the summer to go and get a goalie.

    So sense waiting until game 40 like this year, and saying we need a back up goalie

  28. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    ashley,

    I respectfully disagree with your view that Calgary would entertain trading Monahan for Nurse.

    Not only does Calgary have Brodie, Giordano, Hamilton, Hamonic and Stone on D and only Monahan, Backlund to speak of on C, but one good season from Nurse does not get him to 35 goal 65-70 point Monahan value.

    Also, the big D you speak of could have just as easily been Ristolainen, who was even bigger than Nurse.

    Just my opinion.

  29. Jethro Tull says:

    leadfarmer:
    Caligula for Hoffman?That can’t be a serious proposal.Chia has to realize he’s not dealing with himself.

    Would be a salary dump by OTT. Melnyk McDuck is a guy that counts the pennies when the team doesn’t do well and points to past over achievement to justify it.

  30. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    I agree with your worry over Darnell’s next contract. The best route may be to bridge the man for a couple of years until the cap worries die down. I don’t “foresee” an offensive supernova in his future ala Subban so I don’t think the same level of risk is there. It may piss him off though considering how close knit he is with the other young bucks on the team…

    I’m not sure what people think a bridge would look like for Darnell, I’d posit in the $2.5 – $3.25 range but I may be high on the other end.

    Benning has taken some time to come around but I’m with LT he’s finding the range. He hasn’t posted a lot of crooked numbers and took a serious step back at the start of the season so I can’t see his contracting breaking the mould, should be able to get him in the $2.0 – $3.0 range as well. I’m actually quite curious to hear what people think he is worth at this point, I suspect I may be coming in high with him as well.

    Not worried about Sekera, there are flashes of great mixed in with “still finding the range,” so that is alright as long as we continue to see more of the former and less of the latter as time goes on. Russell on the other hand looks caught between a rock and a hard place. I’m with LT it seems like he can’t make a quick decision lately (that sequence last night was painful to watch).

    The same goes for Drai, he’s starting to find the range but seems a half second off on a bunch of plays. After he missed a chance last night the hockey world could hear his frustration, probably didn’t help when OEL robbed him with that stick flail on the empty netter. He’s getting points consistently though, it would be great to have him go full Panzer tonight heading into the break.

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker),

    Your last point brought about a full belly laugh. A guy I played with all through minor hockey was a gatorade fiend and after a bum play (or when he scored) would spray it all over face, mouth and jersey. They had to buy a new one after we finished up midget, the stain was too noticeable and no kid would take it haha.

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker),

    Agreed. If I could hazard a guess I think the plan management wise is to keep both Nuge and Maroon if the latter can be had for the right price. Ideally you trade Maroon at the deadline for a pick and then re-sign him on July 1 for 3 years at say $3.5 (might be too high I’m not sure what people have been tossing around for his salary). He’s a bit streaky for sure but if he can get on a roll and stick with either Nuge or CmD for a bit you it takes away some of the guess work for a few years.

    Nuge gives you all kinds of coverage, allows Drai to rover and is just a hair off the pace for 30 goals this year. Wonderful player, just starting to enter prime time territory, would be super sad to see him go.

  31. Jethro Tull says:

    ashley:
    I too am enjoying Nurse’s progress.It’s interesting to look at that draft as it gives an idea of how hard it is to draft Dmen in the first 10 picks.I recall an article from Calgary interviewing Feaster about the 6OV Monahan pick and he hinted that they were looking at a big Dman but Monahan’s offensive abilities were too strong to ignore.This was presumably Nurse.

    For 5 years, Monahan has been head and shoulders above Nurse in value and looked to be definitely the right call for the Flames.But Nurse has continued to work and develop at his position and now I’m not sure there is much difference in value between the two players considering the high value of big, quick responsible Dmen in the league.In fact, I would guess that the Flames would entertain a one for one trade of Monahan for Nurse.I doubt the Oilers would though.

    A top 10 pick is a big ticket item.For a GM wanting to make an impact on the team, picking a Dman means he may not be around to see that decision fully mature.

    Interesting proposition that begins and ends with Edmonton doesn’t need centers and Calgary doesn’t need defense.

  32. HenryDrix says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I wonder if last night will force Coach Todd to maybe give Darnell some PP time.

    I’m not sure he’s ready for being the blueline QB per se but he sometimes has a bomb.

    His shot is kind of hit and miss – it can be muffin like when he’s rushed or its not a perfect set-up, however, when he has time to walk in to it, he can shoot the pill.

    Would really like to see JP bomb it from the line on the PP too. either or. Why not try something a bit different right?

  33. godot10 says:

    leadfarmer:
    Caligula for Hoffman?That can’t be a serious proposal.Chia has to realize he’s not dealing with himself.

    Melnyk has money issues. Hoffman carries a big ticket and is one guy Doiron can move to satisfy the owner.

  34. godot10 says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    If Strome plays well at C for stretch I don’t think that is very good news for Nuge, especially if they are getting all bothered about Hoffman.

    Strome has a five year track record of being a nothing burger. He is playing for a $3 million dollar QO vs. the $600K contract Gagner got from Columbus.

    Only a fool would take seriously anything Strome does in the next 3 months.

  35. godot10 says:

    Think of where the Oilers season would be if Nurse hadn’t gone out an hired Oates as a personal coach.

  36. godot10 says:

    McLellan has made the decision to keep McDavid and Draisaitl happy, rather than to properly situate Jesse Puljujarvi in the lineup. He is making a short term decision to try to save his own job over the long term best interests of the OIlers.

  37. Brantford Boy says:

    LT… ‘vish’, really…

    I thought that was Lucic’s worse game in Oilers silks… and Draisaitl at 8.5M can’t make that play with the goalie pulled… no surprise with Caggiula’s performance… Slepyshev is on the block and he’s next on the list and knows it, time to put it all on the line…

    Things could get ugly with the team ending the trip at the break in Vegas with McDavid turning 21… ‘The Hangover’… “Not”, that would be vish if he shows up to the All Star game with a Mike Tyson tattoo on his face…

    Go Oilers!

  38. OriginalPouzar says:

    I keep being told that nothing Strome does in the next 40 games means anything but that doesn’t make it true.

  39. Brantford Boy says:

    godot10,

    I’ve often thought the Oilers should at least inquire about having Oates as an assistant coach… he probably wants the keys too…

  40. russ99 says:

    Brantford Boy:
    godot10,

    I’ve often thought the Oilers should at least inquire about having Oates as an assistant coach… he probably wants the keys too…

    Probably the only former Oiler I have any time for in a coaching/management role.

    I’d be all for it, even as a consultant to come in and help a few times a year.

  41. godot10 says:

    Brantford Boy:
    godot10,

    I’ve often thought the Oilers should at least inquire about having Oates as an assistant coach… he probably wants the keys too…

    Oates has a better gig now than coaching an NHL team. He has a voluntary willing motivated clientele.

  42. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    russ99: Probably the only former Oiler I have any time for in a coaching/management role.

    I’d be all for it, even as a consultant to come in and help a few times a year.

    You wouldn’t want Doug Weight?

  43. HenryDrix says:

    fishman</

    This is really a tough team to be a fan of?

    I live near Vancouver, moved here from Edmonton in 2003. At that time it was tough to be an Oilers fan. Vancouverites are a pretty diverse bunch, but. It’s seem to prefer soccer to hockey. The fandom of the Canucks grew substantially with the rise of the West Coast Express line days with the likes of Naslund, Bertuzzi, Jovanovski et al. This continued on with the rise of the Sedins, and reached crescendo in 2010-2011. During those years, people around town, the office, church, minor hockey, always talked about the Canucks. Sweaters, flags, banners were proudly adorned everywhere by almost everyone. It was hip to be fan. 2 years later, you wouldn’t even know the city had an NHL team unless you drove by GM place. Classic fair weather fans. Yes, there are some die hard loyal fans, but boy is this town fickle. Seats are readily available to any game and it’s as if the city doesn’t care unless they have a winning team. Personally, I find pleasure in watching a team rise from the ashes and build a competitive team, watching players develop from rookie to star, it’s all part of the fun.

    In stark contrast, Oiler fans, myself included, have loyally followed and supported this team and filled the seats regardless of the standings. During the decade of darkness, I would see Oiler jerseys, hats, shirts throughout my lower Mainland excursions, and we would exchange a quiet nod In Support of our love affliction of our team (I have always worn Oiler gear out and about to show Vancouverites what being a true fan is – through thick and thin). Hell ya, this is a difficult team to be a fan of post 1991-92 season. But we are true fans, have proven it over the years. I am confident we will see Stanley return to Jasper Ave , despite this year’s blip. Keep the faith fellow fans, be proud of your commitment to your team, and enjoy the ride!

  44. frjohnk says:

    godot10: Oates has a better gig now than coaching an NHL team.He has a voluntary willing motivated clientele.

    He charges up to $50 grand per NHLer.

    Not saying he has burnt bridges but some coaches and management in the NHL not totally sold on what he is selling as some of his stuff does not align with their systems and what they view as important.

    I would guess that the majority of players now have a private skills coach and or analytical review of their game from outside the team.

    Maybe he wants to get back into coaching but he has a very good thing going on.

  45. Scungilli Slushy says:

    godot10: Strome has a five year track record of being a nothing burger.He is playing for a $3 million dollar QO vs. the $600K contract Gagner got from Columbus.

    Only a fool would take seriously anything Strome does in the next 3 months.

    Exactly my worry, we are talking about the Oilers.

    Salary has to go out to get a fancy winger and they can’t trade Russell without a hard and convincing word from the GM.

  46. teddyturnbuckle says:

    Couple things about Talbot. He looks like he isn’t tracking the puck at all and when rebounds drop in front of him he is lost. First goal was preventable if he was in position , second goal wasn’t his fault. One other thing about Talbot is ability to handle the puck. He is awful and I hold on to my beer extra tight when I see him come out of the net. Legacy once said that Nick Lidstrom told him to “stop handling the puck so much. Stop it behind the net for me and get out of the way.”

  47. Scungilli Slushy says:

    godot10:
    McLellan has made the decision to keep McDavid and Draisaitl happy, rather than to properly situate Jesse Puljujarvi in the lineup.He is making a short term decision to try to save his own job over the long term best interests of the OIlers.

    I think what he does will be more telling once they are ‘officially’ out.

  48. OilSafety says:

    Any opinions on jack Johnson?

    Any way to swap him for Russell? Contract lengths are different but it would be nice to get out if Kris contract

  49. hunter1909 says:

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    It belongs to Cody Franson. No wonder the Blackhawks “keep finding guys”, they’re persistent in trying to make them.

  51. hunter1909 says:

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  52. OmJo says:

    Eugene Melnyk is an asshole.

    He’s basically the Pocklington of Ottawa.

    I really hope somebody offers to buy the Senators off of him. Cagguila for Hoffman is over the top ridiculous. Might as well see if they’ll do Klefbom for Karlsson.

  53. OriginalPouzar says:

    Brantford Boy:
    godot10,

    I’ve often thought the Oilers should at least inquire about having Oates as an assistant coach… he probably wants the keys too…

    I would think pretty much all teams would be interesting in hiring Oats for their staff but I think Adam is pretty happy with the business he’s running.

  54. OmJo says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I keep being told that nothing Strome does in the next 40 games means anything but that doesn’t make it true.

    I hope it makes it true. We have enough bad contracts as is, we don’t need to add another $3M waste of space.

    If they sign him as a UFA for $1.5M for a year, fine. Give him a show me contract. But if he gets ≥3M due to his last 40 games in an 82 game season… Fire General Disappointment.

  55. hunter1909 says:

    OriginalPouzar: I would think pretty much all teams would be interesting in hiring Oats for their staff but I think Adam is pretty happy with the business he’s running.

    Fortunately we still have Katz’s pre-arena promises to spend spend to make everything “world class’ etc.

  56. OriginalPouzar says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Exactly my worry, we are talking about the Oilers.

    Salary has to go out to get a fancy winger and they can’t trade Russell without a hard and convincing word from the GM.

    I don’t think any Oiler fan would be in favor of qualifying Strome at $3M even if he has a solid back half of the season.

    At the same time, I would think that most reasonable fans would not just discount completely any uptick in performance by Stome in the 2nd half of the year, as suggested.

    Yes, there is a track record there but lots of players take years before they “get it”. The first half of the season is not to be discounted but if often takes players time, often a season plus, to settle in to new teams.

    I am hoping for a strong second half from Strome – hopefully playing alot of center on that third line and showing some consistency. I think he had another strong game last night (although terrible in the faceoff circle). When he is playing well, he adds some offensive talent to the bottom 6 and can help the puck go the right direction. He needs to do so an a consistent basis.

  57. hunter1909 says:

    hunter1909: Fortunately we still have Katz’s pre-arena promises to spend spend to make everything “world class’ etc.

    Too bad the only thing “world class” is the talent of the players Chiarelli’s trading away.

  58. hunter1909 says:

    OriginalPouzar: I don’t think any Oiler fan would be in favor of qualifying Strome at $3M even if he has a solid back half of the season.

    At the same time, I would think that most reasonable fans would not just discount completely any uptick in performance by Stome in the 2nd half of the year, as suggested.

    Yes, there is a track record there but lots of players take years before they “get it”.The first half of the season is not to be discounted but if often takes players time, often a season plus, to settle in to new teams.

    I am hoping for a strong second half from Strome – hopefully playing alot of center on that third line and showing some consistency.I think he had another strong game last night (although terrible in the faceoff circle).When he is playing well, he adds some offensive talent to the bottom 6 and can help the puck go the right direction. He needs to do so an a consistent basis.

    Strome = bum.

    Move on.

  59. OriginalPouzar says:

    OilSafety:
    Any opinions on jack Johnson?

    Any way to swap him for Russell?Contract lengths are different but it would be nice to get out if Kris contract

    Isn’t Johnson a pending UFA? I don’t think we should be giving up any assets for a pending UFA unless we are allowed to negotiate an extension before the trade is consummated.

    If Russell was willing to waive his NMC would we be fine moving him for a pending UFA (potentially zero return)?

    I guess the question is, would Oiler fans rather lose the player for nothing and have the $4M in cap space? Presumably we could get more value for that $4M but, at the same time, even with his issues, for now, we are a worse team without Kris Russell.

    Damn I wish his cap hit was more reasonable for his overall performance. I’d be just fine with Kris Russell at $2.5M with no trade protection.

  60. jtblack says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    You think the Oilers would take notice? PC loaded our AHL lineup …… with AHL players … no hope of being NHL players ….

  61. OriginalPouzar says:

    OmJo: I hope it makes it true. We have enough bad contracts as is, we don’t need to add another $3M waste of space.

    If they sign him as a UFA for $1.5M for a year, fine. Give him a show me contract. But if he gets ≥3M due to his last 40 games in an 82 game season… Fire General Disappointment.

    As I’ve stated a few times, even a more solid and consistent performance in the 2nd half wouldn’t warrant a QO at $3M. I would want the team to negotiate a new contract with the player before the deadline to submit the QO. That happens all the time.

  62. Scungilli Slushy says:

    OriginalPouzar: I don’t think any Oiler fan would be in favor of qualifying Strome at $3M even if he has a solid back half of the season.

    I looked into it and that is around the going rate for his production on a RFA contract. Some are higher on UFA, some are lower on ELCs or first RFA contracts, so they will go up.

    My issue with him is less about scoring at this point, more about playing defensively. The bottom 6 have to be rock solid defensively and be good on PK to take pressure off the top 6 having to outscore their mistakes, and to not lose the team games getting worked by the opposing bottom 6.

    This is also the issue with Caggiula – can’t score, can’t PK, can’t defend reliably. He’s smart so he skates hard and hits to stay in the lineup, and then gets hurt because he’s not big enough to be a banger.

  63. godot10 says:

    OmJo:
    Eugene Melnyk is an asshole.

    He’s basically the Pocklington of Ottawa.

    I really hope somebody offers to buy the Senators off of him. Cagguila for Hoffman is over the top ridiculous. Might as well see if they’ll do Klefbom for Karlsson.

    When he had money, he was less of one. Remember he did save the franchise (now only to likely obliterate it).

  64. Pescador says:

    hunter1909: Strome = bum.

    Move on.

    Top 6 potential skill
    4th line hockey sense
    3rd line energy
    AHL consistency

  65. Pescador says:

    godot10: When he had money, he was less of one.Remember he did save the franchise (now only to likely move it to Kbeq )

    Fixed

  66. Scungilli Slushy says:

    I’m not fine with Russell or anyone playing like he mostly has at any price. Skating passing shooting shouldn’t and can’t be optional anymore. NHL players actually have to have good hockey skills at an NHL level nowadays. There is nowhere to hide.

    Russell has heart, but he plays like Fayne with slightly better skating. Give up the zone and stay in the way, hope for the best. If you get the puck pass to your partner, off the glass, or pass to someone, off the mark or in a bad position, and hope they can keep possession.

    They need better. Poor puck transition is killing game flow and offense.

  67. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar: I don’t think any Oiler fan would be in favor of qualifying Strome at $3M even if he has a solid back half of the season.

    At the same time, I would think that most reasonable fans would not just discount completely any uptick in performance by Stome in the 2nd half of the year, as suggested.

    If most OIlers fans are already opposed to qualifying Strome at $3 million, then they and you agree with me. The decision on what to do with Strome is already clear. The next 40 games don’t matter.

    Under no circumstances should he be qualified. And if he wants to sign a one year one million dollar contract next summer as a UFA to return, some of us might be receptive to that. Nothing in the next 40 games can change that or should change that.

  68. bassguy says:

    HenryDrix,

    Hi Henrydrix!, great summation of the loyal vancouver fan!…i lived there from 1980 till 88 and found the same thing..its not really their fault in someways at it is such a beautiful place where you can go skiing or sailing on the same day//etc,etc…its not just in sports where they seem fickle…the arts scene is also quite spread out and hard to pin down?..I am a musician and there seemed to be so many camps of styles if that makes any sense..hard when you come from such a strong community sense of workers fans, artists in edmonton….still would call vancouver a great city thats trying to find its place in some ways and it is so transient with the port to the ocean and mountains..but I still remember the beautiful hot summer day in vancouver where there was a substantial art showing at a gallery on granville island and no one showed up!

  69. hunter1909 says:

    Pescador: Top 6 potential skill
    4th line hockey sense
    3rd line energy
    AHL consistency

    Outstanding analysis. One of the reasons Lowetide is the premiere blog of hockey anywhere.

    Btw, Lowe+MacT would be all over this type. They freaking lived for this type, lol

  70. jtblack says:

    Scungilli Slushy,

    We can point at PC for that one. Everybody on here cringed at the time of the signing …. Talent Evualation Fail ….

    Any GM can fill a roster with NHL players … To win a Cup: the trick is to fill it with Exceptional players and Value contracts. Russell is neither.

  71. hunter1909 says:

    bassguy: .I am a musician and there seemed to be so many camps of styles if that makes any sense..

    Wtf kind of musician that’s any good whines about competition?

  72. hunter1909 says:

    bassguy: I still remember the beautiful hot summer day in vancouver where there was a substantial art showing at a gallery on granville island and no one showed up!

    From what I’ve seen from some of what passes itself off as “modern art” – that Vancouverites might have had a better day than the promoters, ha ha.

  73. hunter1909 says:

    jtblack: Any GM can fill a roster with NHL players … To win a Cup

    Too bad Chiarelli already blew it here. That argument is at least 12 months old.

  74. Thinker says:

    Does Vegas have a middle of the pack CHL goalie in tonight?

  75. jtblack says:

    hunter1909: Too bad Chiarelli already blew it here. That argument is at least 12 months old.

    Not quite sure which argument you mean?

  76. jtblack says:

    VGS gonna get their 3rd home Loss of the season Tonight!!

    Apparently a lot of the Knights spent the bye week in Mexico … Let’s hope they are a little sluggish to start the game (Like the Oilers always are)

  77. OriginalPouzar says:

    hunter1909: Too bad Chiarelli already blew it here. That argument is at least 12 months old.

    Marc Andre-Fleury tonight (9-2-1, 1.73 GAA, .945 SVP)

    I think the Oilers put at least 3 past him tonight.

  78. hunter1909 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Marc Andre-Fleury tonight (9-2-1, 1.73 GAA, .945 SVP)

    I think the Oilers put at least 3 past him tonight.

    Nurse is taking the bull by the proverbial horns, and is about to give everyone a Chris Pronger level of leadership unseen on this mangy bunch of dogs since 2006.

  79. Thinker says:

    If Chia got hoffman for caggiula, the eberle trade is mostly forgiven. If he can undo the Reinhart and Hall trades, he deserves the HHOF.

  80. OmJo says:

    godot10: When he had money, he was less of one.Remember he did save the franchise (now only to likely obliterate it).

    Then sell the team, rather than just destroy it.

    The fanbase very likely saved his life. They deserve better.

  81. JimmyV1965 says:

    teddyturnbuckle:
    Couple things about Talbot. He looks like he isn’t tracking the puck at all and when rebounds drop in front of him he is lost. First goal was preventable if he was in position , second goal wasn’t his fault.One other thing about Talbot is ability to handle the puck. He is awful and I hold on to my beer extra tight when I see him come out of the net. Legacy once said that Nick Lidstrom told him to “stop handling the puck so much.Stop it behind the net for me and get out of the way.”

    I agree with Talbot’s puck tracking. The first goal of the last two games he had no idea where the puck was. Not saying he should have stopped those pucks, but it looks to me like he’s having trouble finding the puck.

  82. AsiaOil says:

    teddyturnbuckle:
    Couple things about Talbot. He looks like he isn’t tracking the puck at all and when rebounds drop in front of him he is lost. First goal was preventable if he was in position , second goal wasn’t his fault.One other thing about Talbot is ability to handle the puck. He is awful and I hold on to my beer extra tight when I see him come out of the net. Legacy once said that Nick Lidstrom told him to “stop handling the puck so much.Stop it behind the net for me and get out of the way.”

    Montoya’s puck handling is good (but not elite) but even that highlighted a part of the game we miss out on with Talbot who handles it like a grenade. I like Talbot but teams don’t worry about our goalie handling the puck at all. Montoya played well and did what a vet backup does – stabilize and give the team a chance to win.

  83. OmJo says:

    OriginalPouzar: Marc Andre-Fleury tonight (9-2-1, 1.73 GAA, .945 SVP)

    I think the Oilers put at least 3 past him tonight.

    Love the optimism but those are very good numbers. He’s given up 3 goals once this season, against TBL. Anything can happen but I wouldn’t put money on it.

  84. leadfarmer says:

    godot10: Melnyk has money issues.Hoffman carries a big ticket and is one guy Doiron can move to satisfy the owner.

    My point is its not that Melnyk is trading Hoffman. Calligula is an absolutely horrible return for a consistent 25-30 goal scorer even if hes off his pace this year. Thats the kind of offer you would expect Chia and only Chia to accept in reverse

  85. Oilman99 says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    At least his shot hits the net. Klef’s shots aren’t even close, put him in.

  86. hunter1909 says:

    After last night you expect Nurse on the powerplay. Unless McLellan wants to be sacked.

  87. Thinker says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    ashley,

    I respectfully disagree with your view that Calgary would entertain trading Monahan for Nurse.

    Not only does Calgary have Brodie, Giordano, Hamilton, Hamonic and Stone on D and only Monahan, Backlund to speak of on C, but one good season from Nurse does not get him to 35goal 65-70 point Monahan value.

    Also, the big D you speak of could have just as easily been Ristolainen, who was even bigger than Nurse.

    Just my opinion.

    1.75 good years gets you Taylor Hall.

  88. hunter1909 says:

    OriginalPouzar: I’m not sure he’s ready for being the blueline QB per se but he sometimes has a bomb.

    How can Nurse be anything but an exponential improvement!?

  89. Oilman99 says:

    dustrock:
    What’s interesting is that Friedman confirmed that Caggiula was offered for Hoffman. So TreenasOil must have some kind of connection to the team.

    She called Jokinen to LA first as well.

    Caggiula for Hoffman makes no sense unless Ottawa is on bad drugs.

  90. OmJo says:

    leadfarmer: Thats the kind of offer you would expect Chia and only Chia to accept in reverse

    What if that was the real offer by the Sens and Chiarelli thought Pierre Dorion was mocking him and hung up?

  91. Oilman99 says:

    leadfarmer:
    I go with Talbot tonight.Montoya played pretty much a full game and Talbot was pulled to wake the team up.Neither goal was his fault

    Montoya has proved he is not a.starter, Tabot has to start.

  92. JimmyV1965 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Isn’t Johnson a pending UFA? I don’t think we should be giving up any assets for a pending UFA unless we are allowed to negotiate an extension before the trade is consummated.

    If Russell was willing to waive his NMC would we be fine moving him for a pending UFA (potentially zero return)?

    I guess the question is, would Oiler fans rather lose the player for nothing and have the $4M in cap space? Presumably we could get more value for that $4M but, at the same time, even with his issues, for now, we are a worse team without Kris Russell.

    Damn I wish his cap hit was more reasonable for his overall performance. I’d be just fine with Kris Russell at $2.5M with no trade protection.

    The way he’s playing right now, I would be happy to give the contract away. He’s not the same player he was at the start of the season.

  93. OriginalPouzar says:

    JimmyV1965: I agree with Talbot’s puck tracking. The first goal of the last two games he had no idea where the puck was. Not saying he should have stopped those pucks, but it looks to me like he’s having trouble finding the puck.

    I can’t even remember the last time the Oilers had a starting tender that was even average at handling the puck.

    No, Dwayne Roloson was not a good puck-handler – he did that flip thing that worked a couple of times but he was an adventure outside the net the same way Talbot and his predecessors are.

  94. Thinker says:

    JimmyV1965: The way he’s playing right now, I would be happy to give the contract away.He’s not the same player he was at the start of the season.

    Not only that. Russel is the roadblock in improving our D. Anything we add pushes him to 7D, possibly 8.

  95. Wilde says:

    OriginalPouzar: Isn’t Johnson a pending UFA? I don’t think we should be giving up any assets for a pending UFA unless we are allowed to negotiate an extension before the trade is consummated.

    I guess the question is, would Oiler fans rather lose the player for nothing and have the $4M in cap space?

    On Johnson, he’s never been an actual above-water contributor.

    On Russell, yes I would do that in a heartbeat.

    It would free up the D to not cost upper-end cash for mediocre results, Davidson is better at what he does on the left side, and on the right side it would force us to use an actual right handed guy.

    This team has 10m in poor contracts, I’d rather that number be 6.

    On Joshua Ho-Sang, yes please.

  96. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oilman99:
    OriginalPouzar,

    At least his shot hits the net. Klef’s shots aren’t even close, put him in.

    Klef’s been dealing with a shoulder injury since before the start of the season – its clearly been effecting his play in a material manner including his shot.

    His play has been much improved since his rest and cortisone shot – although I can’t really say if his shot has been more accurate in the last week.

    With that said, sure, might as well give Nurse a shot on the powerplay – couldn’t hurt. I do understand McLellan’s current thinking though. The units are relatively new (2-3 games now) and have had very few powerplay opportunities – I understand wanting to stick with them for at least a bit to see if they work – with like 1 PP a game, they have had a Slepyshev level of opportunity.

  97. Chris says:

    I have to think just for me to believe that there is something to to the Cagguila for Hoffman rumors that it’s really Cagguila plus a 2nd for Hoffman. Hoffman has two years left on his deal I feel like they certainly have to be able to get more than just Cagguila for him from some team.

  98. Thinker says:

    OriginalPouzar: I can’t even remember the last time the Oilers had a starting tender that was even average at handling the puck.

    No, Dwayne Roloson was not a good puck-handler – he did that flip thing that worked a couple of times but he was an adventure outside the net the same way Talbot and his predecessors are.

    Ty Conklin? Too soon?

  99. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oilman99: Caggiula for Hoffman makes no sense unless Ottawa is on bad drugs.

    Its Hoffman for Caggulia plus $4M (apx) of real dollars saved (and cap hit).

    Those real dollars matter to Melnyk.

    Of course, Dorion is working hard to get a pick thrown in I”m sure, however, the entire point of the trade from the OTT point of view is to save money, actual dollars, so the return they are looking for, it taking a contract, would be a very small amount of money – such as what Drake Caggulia makes.

    I don’t see Dorion pulling the trigger unless another cheap piece is coming back though.

  100. Thinker says:

    Chris:
    I have to think just for me to believe that there is something to to the Cagguila for Hoffman rumors that it’s really Cagguila plus a 2nd for Hoffman. Hoffman has two years left on his deal I feel like they certainly have to be able to get more than just Cagguila for him from some team.

    I need to believe the Eberle deal happens with other GMs.

  101. OriginalPouzar says:

    JimmyV1965: The way he’s playing right now, I would be happy to give the contract away.He’s not the same player he was at the start of the season.

    Presumably we can get more value with the $4M in cap space in the off-season (or in an acquired contract – such as Hoffman)?

    This would put both Davidson and Benning in the lineup each night which I guess is fine for the rest of this season but, next season, hopefully an actual 2RD is acquired.

    I still have hope that Benning can develop in to a 2RD in time but that will be a few years away, if ever.

    He’s still a sophomore (albeit an older one).

  102. Chris says:

    Thinker,

    I tend to think what may be happening is that Ottawa is being offered low first round, high second round picks but Dorion wants wants a roster player from whomever.he trades Hoffman to. Most playoff teams are not going to offer a roster player back only future. Hence in that universe where Dorion’s owner wants him to move Hoffman, Chia Pete offering him Cagguila and a high second round pick doesn’t appear horrible.

  103. Wilde says:

    Oilers by ES points per 60 min 200 with a special guest appearance from a player scratched in the AHL:

    McDavid: 2.64
    Ho-Sang: 2.45
    Draisaitl: 2.39
    Khaira: 1.93
    Lucic: 1.88
    Nuge: 1.83
    Maroon: 1.76

    And on and on…

  104. leadfarmer says:

    hunter1909: How can Nurse be anything but an exponential improvement!?

    This is why any d prospect of note in the Ahl needs to get pp time. These are important skills to develop. I absolutely hated it when they would bring in guys like Hunt and give them heavy pp time. You can tell Nurse has been working on improving his shot

  105. Johnny Eyetest says:

    Looking forward to see how hard the team tries to get CMD the win tonight. I know my mind can wander my last day of work before a vacay, but if they really want to make this a great day for their captain, and he means as much to them as the rhetoric, they will play like it’s game 7.

    We wait.

  106. Johnny Eyetest says:

    And why the hell do they play man-to-man in the Dzone?

    Zone is such an advantage in the NBA it’s illegal.

    The coaching carousal is saving jobs and burning us again.

  107. JD_Wry says:

    teddyturnbuckle: First goal was preventable if he was in position

    Hmm… A wrist shot from the point goes through a crowd of people, rings off the crossbar, bounces behind Talbot and out to his left.

    Yeah, he really shit the bed on that one!

  108. jake70 says:

    jtblack:
    VGS gonna get their 3rd home Loss of the season Tonight!!

    Apparently a lot of the Knights spent the bye week in Mexico … Let’s hope they are a little sluggish to start the game (Like the Oilers always are)

    Gary Lawless, now doing media with the Knights was on PTS this week talking about the Knights and how the city has taken to them. Talked about the off week and suggested players wanted to get out of the “watchful eye” of said city. Then went on to explain how the players (and even himself) are recognised everywhere in the city. Said he was at a movie or some outing like that with Gerard Gallant and Gallant had to stop every 5 min for pictures . Hmmm…..the fishbowl that is Vegas. Of course everything is great when you are winning.

  109. jtblack says:

    jake70,

    As I meentioned yesterday there was about 2,000 people to watch their open practice The city is totally in love with the golden knights

  110. jtblack says:

    Thinker: I need to believe the Eberle deal happens with other GMs.

    Eberle 4 A today
    Barzal 2 G 2 A

    😉

  111. HenryDrix says:

    bassguy,

    Yes, Vancover is a beautiful city no doubt, with lots of entertainment and recreation choices competing with their hockey franchise. But the fickleness or bandwagoners are apparent. I just wanted to make the point that us Oiler fans are proud and strong and for the most part, unwavering loyal. Let’s not adandon ship now, when we are so close to land!

  112. HenryDrix says:

    jtblack: Eberle 4 A today
    Barzal 2 G 2 A

    Then buy an Islanders season ticket. Tired of hearing about this or that player and how they are doing with another franchise. Move on already. 90%+ of Oiler fans wanted Ebs gone, and Jultz, and the same thing has happened in the past with guys like Arnott and Dubnyk. Lots of guys move on to another team and are reborn. It doesn’t mean moving on from them was not the right move.

  113. OilClog says:

    Any Senators fan that may come across this conversation, Drake Cagguila is fucking amazing. He’s everything you’re wanting out of Bobby Ryan, and boy does he lay the hits out.

    Eberle’s comments about the Edmonton Media should be enough for everyone to know Eberle’s time in Edmonton was over if he was to ever rediscover his puck skills, he had no confidence left, less then none.

    Shit happens, he’s riding shotgun to another terrific C.. who the Oilers by all credible accounts were never drafting!

    Crying about it now is very Trump like, don’t be a shithole.

  114. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    frjohnk:
    A couple of weeks ago I had the opportunity to look at what the stuff the analytical coaches are looking for and what is measured for forwards.

    Last night I was able to see what is being measured for Dmen.These are all defensive metrics.Many of them are being tracked and can be found in public data bases, some of them are not.

    Here is the list ( Im probably forgetting a couple)

    some on ice metrics
    -shot attempts allowed per 60
    -shot attempts allowed compared to other D on the team per 60
    -team record when Dman plays over 20 minutes a game
    -team record when Dman plays between 15-20 min a game
    -team record when Dman plays less than 20 min a game

    some individual metrics
    -hits
    -I believe there was a stat that measured hits that separated opposing player from puck
    -blocks
    -zone entries allowed
    -zone exits( getting the puck out,ie pass, skate or chip off boards)
    -lose puck recoveries
    -rebound recoveries
    -passes allowed into homeplate area
    -shots allowed from homeplate area
    -there was also something about how they played oddman rushes, breaking up passes, blocked shots, shots allowed

    some metrics above are usually per 60, some were per minute like hits and blocks, some were compared to other Dmen on team.

    Very interesting stuff.There was more, it was the best defensive metric stats I have ever seen. Pretty sure all the bases were covered.All teams have these stats, to what degree they use them IDK

    Thanks Padre.

    Was that all from Sportslogiq?

  115. OilClog says:

    with the PP as putrid as it is, I dunno if I would want any of that stink clinging to Nurse, other then to drive his per year $ back down to reasonable levels.

    Get Nurse out there and hopefully they still suck, you want 5 million a year?! You were PP1 D for 8 weeks and got 1 point! Here’s 8.5

    Shit

  116. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    HenryDrix: Then buy an Islanders season ticket.Tired of hearing about this or that player and how they are doing with another franchise.Move on already.90%+ of Oiler fans wanted Ebs gone, and Jultz, and the same thing has happened in the past with guys like Arnott and Dubnyk.Lotsof guys move on to another team and are reborn.It doesn’t mean moving on from them was not the right move.

    Thanks for chiming in Pete!

  117. OmJo says:

    HenryDrix: 90%+ of Oiler fans wanted Ebs gone

    Proof?

  118. JD_Wry says:

    OilClog: Drake Cagguila is fucking amazing.

    Typical Oilers. Selling low on a player like Drake and taking on an overpaid vet who doesn’t fit with the club’s core.

  119. OriginalPouzar says:

    I’m still not sure why I keep reading Barzal stats on this Oilers blog as I fail to see what he has to do with the Oilers.

    I mean, why don’t we post Tyson Barrie stats – we could have drafted Barrie with the pick we traded for Alex Kotalik.

    Man would Barrie look good on our PP.

  120. OilClog says:

    JD_Wry: Typical Oilers. Selling low on a player like Drake and taking on an overpaid vet who doesn’t fit with the club’s core.

    Yea you hear that Ottawa! Selling low! Lucky we aren’t demanding Erik and Mike! Probably Ceci too!

    3 for 1!

  121. Thinker says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I’m still not sure why I keep reading Barzal stats on this Oilers blog as I fail to see what he has to do with the Oilers.

    I mean, why don’t we post Tyson Barrie stats – we could have drafted Barrie with the pick we traded for Alex Kotalik.

    Man would Barrie look good on our PP.

    I think it’s the same reason I’m still sour about Shane Doan. He was the overwhelming consensus choice that the franchise ignored, and looks stupid as a result. It’s different than bitching about them not taking Carter Hart. It’s about what we knew at the time. How do you not understand the difference?

  122. hunter1909 says:

    OilClog:
    with the PP as putrid as it is, I dunno if I would want any of that stink clinging to Nurse, other then to drive his per year $ back down to reasonable levels.

    Get Nurse out there and hopefully they still suck, you want 5 million a year?! You were PP1 D for 8 weeks and got 1 point! Here’s 8.5

    Shit

    Keep the team lousy, to keep costs down. Great strategy!

  123. jtblack says:

    Thinker: I think it’s the same reason I’m still sour about Shane Doan. He was the overwhelming consensus choice that the franchise ignored, and looks stupid as a result. It’s different than bitching about them not taking Carter Hart. It’s about what we knew at the time. How do you not understand the difference?

    OP: You read about because different posters have made good points about that 2015 Draft. Like WoodGuy made an in depth post on how Snow came into the draft without a pick in the Top 60. He then fleeced PC, took the BPA and flipped #33 into #28 and picked Beauvilier (who had 3 points today).

    You don’t have to read the post.

    You can materially bypass its unsubstantial info.

  124. JD_Wry says:

    hunter1909: Great strategy!

    Eakins coached for Corsi – this would be Coaching for Cap Space!

  125. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I’m still not sure why I keep reading Barzal stats on this Oilers blog as I fail to see what he has to do with the Oilers.

    I mean, why don’t we post Tyson Barrie stats – we could have drafted Barrie with the pick we traded for Alex Kotalik.

    Man would Barrie look good on our PP.

    This blog discussed the Zac Parise/Marc Antoine Pouliot trade for a decade, and we would still be talking about it if not for the Reinhart/Barzal trade.

  126. frjohnk says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Thanks Padre.

    Was that all from Sportslogiq?

    Probably was as it league wide.
    I know that Sportsloqiq records zone exits like the way I mentioned from before.

    I have not yet seen what kind of defensive stats a group like Belfry hockey tracks for its clients but I would guess its better than Sportloqiq or at least more in depth.

  127. hunter1909 says:

    JD_Wry: Eakins coached for Corsi – this would be Coaching for Cap Space!

    That’s how the Eberle “trade” was spun.

    Come to think of it, the Hall trade was spun over that also.

    Then Chiarelli blows the savings like a fool lol

  128. OriginalPouzar says:

    jtblack: OP: You read about because different posters have made good points about that 2015Draft. Like WoodGuy made an in depth post on how Snow came into the draft without a pick in the Top 60.He then fleeced PC, took the BPA and flipped #33 into #28 and picked Beauvilier (who had 3 points today).

    You don’t have to read the post.

    You can materially bypass its unsubstantial info.

    I’m not saying that trade of 2 picks for Reinhart was a good trade nor am I defending it in any way. I’m just not sure what Barzal has to do with the Edmotnon Oilers except for the fact that he dropped and was available to be picked.

    godot10: This blog discussed the Zac Parise/Marc Antoine Pouliot trade for a decade, and we would still be talking about it if not for the Reinhart/Barzal trade.

    Sure, we can talk more about “Reinhart/Barzal” trade but then I’d like to talk about the “Kotalik/T. Barrie” trade. Same concept.

  129. russ99 says:

    HenryDrix: Then buy an Islanders season ticket.Tired of hearing about this or that player and how they are doing with another franchise.Move on already.90%+ of Oiler fans wanted Ebs gone, and Jultz, and the same thing has happened in the past with guys like Arnott and Dubnyk.Lotsof guys move on to another team and are reborn.It doesn’t mean moving on from them was not the right move.

    Well put.

    I was about to count how many times Hall, Eberle, Barzal and Reinhart were used in this thread today.

    Enough is enough.

    We get the unhappiness with this season, but this is pissy, whiny, sour grapes.

    It doesn’t look good on us as a fanbase, grow up.

    There’s ways to discuss the fitness of the management of his team without this repetitive whiny annoying BS.

    Even in the darkest days of the rebuild decade we weren’t like this.

  130. Thinker says:

    russ99: Well put.

    I was about to count how many times Hall, Eberle, Barzal and Reinhart were used in this thread today.

    Enough is enough.

    We get the unhappiness with this season, but this is pissy, whiny, sour grapes.

    It doesn’t look good on us as a fanbase, grow up.

    There’s ways to discuss the fitness of the management of his team without this repetitive whiny annoying BS.

    Even in the darkest days of the rebuild decade we weren’t like this.

    Alright. Let’s talk about how we have no prospects coming to fill our massive top six holes and how we have no way of addressing them except the draft due to little cap space. I’d rather bitch about why we are wheree we are than focus on the fact we are fucked for the forseeable future.

  131. Thinker says:

    OriginalPouzar: I’m not saying that trade of 2 picks for Reinhart was a good trade nor am I defending it in any way.I’m just not sure what Barzal has to do with the Edmotnon Oilers except for the fact that he dropped and was available to be picked.

    Sure, we can talk more about “Reinhart/Barzal” trade but then I’d like to talk about the “Kotalik/T. Barrie” trade.Same concept.

    At this point you are either stupid, or trying to control a narrative.

  132. JD_Wry says:

    russ99: I was about to count how many times Hall, Eberle, Barzal and Reinhart were used in this thread today.

    You don’t have to count – ctrl + F is your friend here.

    Hall 7.

    Eberle 10.

    Barzal 13.

    Reinhart 9.

  133. jtblack says:

    well then let’s talk about real issues:

    I am lucky enough to be going to the game tonight and if Talbot let’s in the first shot: My Jersey’s going over the glass.

    I’m not sure if the Oilers get to party extra hard for Connors birthday if they win tonight but I’m guessing the team would like a big win for Connor so let’s hope they pound the golden knights

  134. frjohnk says:

    jtblack:
    well then let’s talk about real issues:

    I am lucky enough to be going to the game tonight and if Talbot let’s in the first shot:My Jersey’s going over the glass.

    I’m not sure if the Oilersget to party extra hard for Connors birthday if they win tonight but I’m guessing the team would like a big win for Connor so let’s hope they pound the golden knights

    Save the jersey.

    You will need it when the team gets better

  135. OriginalPouzar says:

    Sounds like Subban starts for the Knights tonight.

    Still no word (that I could find) on the Oilers’ starter.

  136. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    russ99: Well put.

    I was about to count how many times Hall, Eberle, Barzal and Reinhart were used in this thread today.

    Enough is enough.

    We get the unhappiness with this season, but this is pissy, whiny, sour grapes.

    It doesn’t look good on us as a fanbase, grow up.

    There’s ways to discuss the fitness of the management of his team without this repetitive whiny annoying BS.

    Even in the darkest days of the rebuild decade we weren’t like this.

    Bullshit.

    Trying to sweep away the exceptional incompetence of trading those picks AND not having Barzal on their list as the BPA (like 99% of the world did) should never be forgotten.

  137. OriginalPouzar says:

    Thinker: Alright. Let’s talk about how we have no prospects coming to fill our massive top six holes and how we have no way of addressing them except the draft due to little cap space. I’d rather bitch about why we are wheree we are than focus on the fact we are fucked for the forseeable future.

    We have a prospect hole for next season with no likely graduates (subject to getting lucky with a Guy like Zadina) but I’d be happy to chat about the prospect system being built and the drafting under current management.

    No, we don’t have any “can’t miss prospects” but we have a lot of talent and “high ceiling” prospects with great post-draft arrows.

    I am bullish on our prospect system and look forward to a few graduates to the AHL next year in Hebig, Benson, Yamamoto, Lagesson, Wells, and the following year (Safin,Maksimov, Samorukov, Rasanen, Berglund, Kemp,Skinner)

  138. OriginalPouzar says:

    Thinker: At this point you are either stupid, or trying to control a narrative.

    Stupid I guess.

    We traded away a pick that could have been Barzal for a player that wasn’t with the organization for long.

    We traded away a pick that could have been Barrie for a player that wasn’t with the organization for long.

    Should we also talk about the Lucic for Samaonov trade? Imaging having Lucic from 2018-2014.

  139. frjohnk says:

    Hey did you guys see that some guy named Egerle along with BarcaLounger and Brazil for the Islanders absolutely lit it up today.

    I have faith in our GM and he is the best evaluator of talent. No question that if he had the chance to trade for or draft even one of these guys he would.

    He just has to keep his eyes open. Never know when those kinds of opportunities will reveal themselves.

  140. HenryDrix says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Not Bullshit. Hindsight is 20/20 and the consensus at the time of the trade is that the old regime of MacT and KLowe and the scouting team were the ones horny for Reinhart.

  141. Ryan says:

    OriginalPouzar: I’m not saying that trade of 2 picks for Reinhart was a good trade nor am I defending it in any way.I’m just not sure what Barzal has to do with the Edmotnon Oilers except for the fact that he dropped and was available to be picked.

    Sure, we can talk more about “Reinhart/Barzal” trade but then I’d like to talk about the “Kotalik/T. Barrie” trade.Same concept.

    Posters have used this blog to vent their frustrations about a poorly run hockey organization long before you or I started commenting here. Provided that we’re all being respectful and not throwing around ad hominems, I don’t think it’s anyone’s place (except Lowetide’s) to proscribe what not to talk about.

  142. Jonathan Willis says:

    HenryDrix:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    Not Bullshit.Hindsight is 20/20 and the consensus at the time of the trade is that the old regime of MacT and KLowe and the scouting team were the ones horny for Reinhart.

    Peter Chiarelli, June 26, 2015:

    “We’ve been hunting for defencemen, and there’s a lot of intelligence on Griffin internally. I’ve always liked him as a player. He’s been behind a lot of good defencemen in Long Island. I had discussions with Garth on and off over the last month or so and we just kind of ramped up those discussions. I saw him in pro a couple of times last year; I saw him in London for the Memorial Cup and he was just a horse. Happy to get him. We had some guys at 16 that we liked, but this was something we decided to act on and he’s ready to play and he’s going to be a very good part of our D.”

    – Did the people internally push for Reinhart? Undoubtedly. It’s not a new thing, either – we know there was discussion about him at the 2012 Draft, and I’ve always been curious if those ‘what if we trade the 3rd OV to NYI for Reinhart’ pieces that had currency around the time of the Draisaitl selection didn’t come out of conversations with people employed by the club.

    – Does Peter Chiarelli wear this decision? Yes. Not only did he pull the trigger, ignoring the obvious statistical problems with Reinhart’s development arc, but by his own statement this was a player he liked as a junior prospect and a player he personally evaluated as a pro before the time of the trade.

    There’s no hindsight here. Lots and lots and lots of people saw Reinhart as an obvious target because of the Oilers’ infatuation with former Oil Kings, and lots and lots and lots of people wrote about how that would be a bad player to pay real value for. It’s an organizational failing, but if you’re going to blame just one person, blame the guy who pulled the trigger after missing both the statistical red flags and red flags in the player’s game after seeing him firsthand as a pro. That’s Peter Chiarelli.

  143. Thinker says:

    OriginalPouzar: Stupid I guess.

    We traded away a pick that could have been Barzal for a player that wasn’t with the organization for long.

    We traded away a pick that could have been Barrie for a player that wasn’t with the organization for long.

    Should we also talk about the Lucic for Samaonov trade?Imaging having Lucic from 2018-2014.

    I mean apparently you can’t understand how the perspective AT THE TIME of the move influences the future perspective on the result. I like your positivity, but it’s starting to border on absurd. Sure if every one of our prospects (including an undrafted CHL signing-lol) we might replace the guys we traded since last summer, and those that we trade at the deadline. Benson for Maroon, Moto for Ebs, Hebig for Slepyshev, Bear for Sekera, etc. Not what I would stamp as a good plan, but to each their own. When I was 12 and first learning about prospects, I might make that bet.

  144. Ari says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    100% agree.

    RE: Barzal

    They had a chance to draft a consensus top 10 pick and passed. Then they turn around and hire a guy (Keith) who passed on him THREE times to be their Asst GM, soon to be GM.

  145. JD_Wry says:

    Thinker: When I was 12 and first learning about prospects, I might make that bet.

    Eat at Arby’s.

  146. Thinker says:

    Jonathan Willis: Peter Chiarelli, June 26, 2015:

    “We’ve been hunting for defencemen, and there’s a lot of intelligence on Griffin internally. I’ve always liked him as a player. He’s been behind a lot of good defencemen in Long Island. I had discussions with Garth on and off over the last month or so and we just kind of ramped up those discussions. I saw him in pro a couple of times last year; I saw him in London for the Memorial Cup and he was just a horse. Happy to get him. We had some guys at 16 that we liked, but this was something we decided to act on and he’s ready to play and he’s going to be a very good part of our D.”

    – Did the people internally push for Reinhart? Undoubtedly. It’s not a new thing, either – we know there was discussion about him at the 2012 Draft, and I’ve always been curious if those ‘what if we trade the 3rd OV to NYI for Reinhart’ pieces that had currency around the time of the Draisaitl selection didn’t come out of conversations with people employed by the club.

    – Does Peter Chiarelli wear this decision? Yes. Not only did he pull the trigger, ignoring the obvious statistical problems with Reinhart’s development arc, but by his own statement this was a player he likedas a junior prospect and a player he personally evaluated as a pro before the time of the trade.

    There’s no hindsight here. Lots and lots and lots of people saw Reinhart as an obvious target because of the Oilers’ infatuation with former Oil Kings, and lots and lots and lots of people wrote about how that would be a bad player to pay real value for. It’s an organizational failing, but if you’re going to blame just one person, blame the guy who pulled the trigger after missing both the statistical red flags and red flags in the player’s game after seeing him firsthand as a pro. That’s Peter Chiarelli.

    It’s particularily interesting that we talked about how poor of an aquisition Reinhart would be years prior and some people still want to act surprised that things turned out how they did.

  147. Oil2Oilers says:

    My dream deadline;

    Lucic for Pacioretty
    Russell for Ho Sang
    Sign Maroon for a non-McDavid inflated price

    Oilers would still have 99 problems, but skill on the wing and cap space would not be ones.

    My expected deadline;

    Maroon for a 3d
    Letestu for a 4th
    And not even Ho Sang for Slepyshev

  148. Jonathan Willis says:

    OriginalPouzar: Stupid I guess.

    We traded away a pick that could have been Barzal for a player that wasn’t with the organization for long.

    We traded away a pick that could have been Barrie for a player that wasn’t with the organization for long.

    Should we also talk about the Lucic for Samaonov trade?Imaging having Lucic from 2018-2014.

    There’s a good argument to be had about expected vs. realized value of a traded draft pick. Right now Barzal looks like exceptional value in that No. 16 slot, and that makes the trade look worse. Still, it’s hard to see how it wouldn’t have ended that way. Kyle Connor (No. 17) has 15 goals. D Thomas Chabot (No. 18) has nine points in 23 games and a 53% Corsi for *Ottawa*.

    It was a high pick in a deep draft, and even if the expected value wasn’t “Barzal” (though I know there was a loud contingent in these parts that wanted exactly that player at that spot) it was really high. Far, far higher than Reinhart has turned out to be.

    That’s the critical difference. The difference between “expected value of No. 16” and “Barzal” exists, but it’s nowhere near as wide as the gap between “expected value of a late 2nd rounder” and “Barrie”.

  149. Professor Q says:

    Any possibility that Edmonton has an interest in Jack Johnson again?

  150. Gret99zky says:

    OriginalPouzar: Klef’s been dealing with a shoulder injury since before the start of the season – its clearly been effecting his play in a material manner including his shot.

    His play has been much improved since his rest and cortisone shot – although I can’t really say if his shot has been more accurate in the last week.

    If Klef, or any other player, is risking his long term health or needs surgery to get healthy, he’d better F’n get it RFN!

    If we hear Klef, or any other player, will miss training camp or the first 15 games of next season because of late surgery or some nagging injury he tried to play through, well, that’s just inexcusable given this year’s season.

  151. Ryan says:

    Jonathan Willis,

    “Expected value?” You sir sound like a Texas holdem player.

    Love your writing at The Athletic. You’ve been killing it over there. Great stuff!

  152. Ari says:

    Jonathan Willis,

    Amen. Right handed skill forward who plays Centre/ wing is a dream right now.

  153. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Anyone calling Barzal revisionist history wasn’t paying attention at the time.

    People freaked out that BOS could get both Barzal AND Connor when they had their three picks.

    Then they collectively lost their shit when BOS didn’t take either.

    Barzal was ranked high all year and dropped for no reason.

    Many had him a top pick in other draft classes, but 2015 was deep.

    Most had him top 5.

  154. Melvis says:

    While we’re at it, I’m going to insist on a cease and desist on the “Melvis is a hash or pothead meme.” and the suggestiona a twice a year social toke, at most, implies stupidity.

    Nor am I much of a boozer, if you really want or need to know.

    Enough is enough. Munny…that means you.

  155. Thinker says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Anyone calling Barzal revisionist history wasn’t paying attention at the time.

    People freaked out that BOS could get both Barzal AND Connor when they had their three picks.

    Then they collectively lost their shit when BOS didn’t take either.

    Barzal was ranked high all year and dropped for no reason.

    Many had him a top pick in other draft classes, but 2015 was deep.

    Most had him top 5.

    Exactly. It would be like taking Crouse 1st overall then asking why people are still complaining about not taking McDavid because hindsight is 20/20

  156. Thinker says:

    Melvis:
    While we’re at it, I’m going to insist on a cease and desist on the “Melvis is a hash or pothead meme.” and the suggestiona a twice a year social toke, at most, implies stupidity.

    Nor am I much of a boozer, if you really want or need to know.

    Enough is enough. Munny…that means you.

    Is this like how the drunker you get, the more times you say you’re sober?

  157. Melvis says:

    Thinker,

    No, it’s like, fuck off already.

  158. thehop says:

    OriginalPouzar: Stupid I guess.

    We traded away a pick that could have been Barzal for a player that wasn’t with the organization for long.

    We traded away a pick that could have been Barrie for a player that wasn’t with the organization for long.

    Should we also talk about the Lucic for Samaonov trade?Imaging having Lucic from 2018-2014.

    Barzal is not the same thing as Barrie or any of the other players you mentioned.

    You know that though and that’s why you a hard read sir.

    Barzal may be the steal of that draft. Most smart people knew it at the time and we sure as fuck know it now. This shitty team had an opportunity to make the team better at that time and they chose to make the team worse. That’s why most people are pissed off about it. And that’s why it will probably come up every week for the next five years.

    Unless the Oilers make the playoffs or win the cup in the next five years. All bets are off then.

  159. Jonathan Willis says:

    Ryan:
    Jonathan Willis,

    “Expected value?” You sir sound like a Texas holdem player.

    Love your writing at The Athletic. You’ve been killing it over there. Great stuff!

    Thanks, I’m glad you’re enjoying it! I can confirm I’m a very mediocre poker player.

  160. TheWholeLoafIsToast says:

    This place is beginning to lose its luster fast, what the hell is happening?
    A lousy season so far and it’s turned bizzaro world, person can’t even voice an opinion lately without the pitchforks, torches and rotten attitudes deluge on them. Sweet Frank.
    Or is this the true nature of the beast? The internet has eroded all decency when it’s commonplace to crap on someone because their opinions don’t measure up to yours. Those who were once fans are all of a sudden smarter than the men paid to do their jobs, because they hold a device in their hands that makes them anonymous and so much more intelligent than their fellow peers.
    The non stop, inane back and forth about how this player vs that player, management is brain dead because they didn’t draft this guy(ie. Barzal) is beyond being dinkish… it’s pathetic and petty.
    Break out the laughs, subtle, tongue in cheek humour and cut out the bullshit ladies and gents, makes the visiting experience a bit more palatable.

    And for the record…

    GO OILERS!

  161. hunter1909 says:

    Gret99zky: If we hear Klef, or any other player, will miss training camp or the first 15 games of next season because of late surgery or some nagging injury he tried to play through, well, that’s just inexcusable given this year’s season.

    Yes but they use this as an excuse mostly every season.

  162. Wilde says:

    TheWholeLoafIsToast:
    This place is beginning to lose its luster fast, what the hell is happening?
    A lousy season so far and it’s turned bizzaro world, person can’t even voice an opinion lately without the pitchforks, torches and rotten attitudes deluge on them. Sweet Frank.
    Or is this the true nature of the beast? The internet has eroded all decency when it’s commonplace to crap on someone because their opinions don’t measure up to yours. Those who were once fans are all of a sudden smarter than the men paid to do their jobs, because they hold a device in their hands that makes them anonymous and so much more intelligent than their fellow peers.
    The non stop, inane back and forth about how this player vs that player, management is brain dead because they didn’t draft this guy(ie. Barzal) is beyond being dinkish… it’s pathetic and petty.
    Break out the laughs, subtle, tongue in cheek humour and cut out the bullshit ladies and gents, makes the visiting experience a bit more palatable.

    And for the record…

    GO OILERS!

    One dude called another dude stupid.

    Another dude called bullshit on another dude.

    That’s it.

    I hear worse any given night in any given sports bar.

    This is just standards small group bickering, fairly mild at that. Continue to be baffled at some of the reactions to discussion here.

  163. leadfarmer says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    This. It’s amazing how badly Peter Milbury messed that up. He almost ruined the McDavid draft for me. This was word for word my analysis after the trade. Boston came to the draft drunk and instead of running up and taking advantage of his previous teams stupidity he said oh yeah Hold my beer. Also there was no reason to throw in the second rounder. None
    I’m still waiting to hear that they weren’t all that high on Barzal cause they thought he was too much like Nuge. I’m sure that’s coming one day
    It just amazes me that casual fans can make better decisions than GMs

  164. Material pocession says:

    Wilde: One dude called another dude stupid.

    Another dude called bullshit on another dude.

    That’s it.

    I hear worse any given night in any given sports bar.

    This is just standards small group bickering, fairly mild at that. Continue to be baffled at some of the reactions to discussion here.

    It’s coming from the guy who wants to trade McDavid.

    I’m scared for the future of our children.

  165. jtblack says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Bullshit.

    Trying to sweep away the exceptional incompetence of trading those picks AND not having Barzal on their list as the BPA (like 99% of the world did)should never be forgotten.

    +1

  166. frjohnk says:

    TheWholeLoafIsToast:
    This place is beginning to lose its luster fast, what the hell is happening?
    A lousy season so far and it’s turned bizzaro world, person can’t even voice an opinion lately without the pitchforks, torches and rotten attitudes deluge on them. Sweet Frank.
    Or is this the true nature of the beast? The internet has eroded all decency when it’s commonplace to crap on someone because their opinions don’t measure up to yours. Those who were once fans are all of a sudden smarter than the men paid to do their jobs, because they hold a device in their hands that makes them anonymous and so much more intelligent than their fellow peers.
    The non stop, inane back and forth about how this player vs that player, management is brain dead because they didn’t draft this guy(ie. Barzal) is beyond being dinkish… it’s pathetic and petty.
    Break out the laughs, subtle, tongue in cheek humour and cut out the bullshit ladies and gents, makes the visiting experience a bit more palatable.

    And for the record…

    GO OILERS!

    You shoulda been here when DSF posted here.

    Those times were like road rage escalating to a 100 car pile with3 murders 12 beatings LT’s 8 Track being broken.

    Compared to today road rage in which a few people got the finger, a couple got run off the road and ended up with a flat, and that’s about it.

  167. Lowetide says:

    This blog has always had strong opinions in the comments section, and will continue to do so as long as people happen by. I am always disappointed in posters when they shit on people as opposed to arguing the merits of their opinions but I can’t see anything above that I would delete. As for the reaction when the Reinhart trade went down, it was fast and it was negative.

    http://lowetide.ca/2015/06/26/oilers-trade-no-16-for-griffin-reinhart/comment-page-1/#comments

  168. jtblack says:

    2015. Barzal, former 1st overall Bantam pick, injured in his draft year. Huge skill but some question marks due to shortened season. Oilers pretend they weren’t looking at him @ #16.

    2016. Benson, former 1st overall Bantam pick, injured in his draft. Huge Skill but some questions marks due to injiuries. Oilers are ECSTATIC to pick him @ #32.

    Just seems wierd that the Oilers could act so different in B2B Drafts.

  169. Jethro Tull says:

    Wilde: One dude called another dude stupid.

    Another dude called bullshit on another dude.

    That’s it.

    I hear worse any given night in any given sports bar.

    This is just standards small group bickering, fairly mild at that. Continue to be baffled at some of the reactions to discussion here.

    If that’s what you think, then you haven’t been here long.

    It’s main attraction is that it ISN’T any given sports bar.

    This has never been the place for ad hominems. This has never been the place for posting facts without proof.

    Today has a decidedly…….different tone. Some posters are allowing personal dislike to cloud opinion and fact. There’s a little nastiness in place of the usual passion.

    It’s weird, because conversely, after a shitty losing game, this place is a little more up beat.

    But continue to be baffled by someone else being baffled.

  170. Jethro Tull says:

    frjohnk: You shoulda been here when DSF posted here.

    Those times were like road rage escalating to a 100 car pile with3 murders 12 beatings LT’s 8 Track being broken.

    Compared to today road rage in which a few people got the finger, a couple got run off the road and ended up with a flat, and that’s about it.

    He who must not be mentioned was a troll’s troll. An artiste of contrarian opinion. But oh so smart with it. He really asked the difficult questions. Some people didn’t like the answers they found……

    But yeah, he knew which buttons to press……..book it!

  171. Wilde says:

    Jethro Tull: If that’s what you think, then you haven’t been here long.

    It’s main attraction is that it ISN’T any given sports bar.

    This has never been the place for ad hominems. This has never been the place for posting facts without proof.

    Today has a decidedly…….different tone. Some posters are allowing personal dislike to cloud opinion and fact. There’s a little nastiness in place of the usual passion.

    It’s weird, because conversely, after a shitty losing game, this place is a little more up beat.

    But continue to be baffled by someone else being baffled.

    I guess I should clarify: I hear worse in any given sports bar within 5 minutes than I did here since the post arrived in the morning.

    The reason I brought up the bar thing wasn’t to draw comparisons from this particular place, but rather to address the part of his post relating to the internet and relative anonymity sharpening the discussion.

    I didn’t write it well enough for it come off the correct way, however.

  172. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar: Its Hoffman for Caggulia plus $4M (apx) of real dollars saved (and cap hit).

    Those real dollars matter to Melnyk.

    Of course, Dorion is working hard to get a pick thrown in I”m sure, however, the entire point of the trade from the OTT point of view is to save money, actual dollars, so the return they are looking for, it taking a contract, would be a very small amount of money – such as what Drake Caggulia makes.

    I don’t see Dorion pulling the trigger unless another cheap piece is coming back though.

    Knowing Chairelli it’ll be Caggiula, Yamamoto, Jones and the 2018 2nd. :p

  173. jtblack says:

    BAG OF PUCKSsays:

    June 26, 2015 at 6:57 pm

    Turned a #16 and a #33 into a #4OV and got the NYI to pay the dues on the development.

    Chiarelli gets the best player in the deal, fills his biggest need with a player who fits the core age wise, and fast tracks the return on the draft picks.

    If you don’t like this deal, you’re too enamoured with lottery tickets.

  174. frjohnk says:

    Jethro Tull: He who must not be mentioned was a troll’s troll. An artiste of contrarian opinion. But oh so smart with it. He really asked the difficult questions. Some people didn’t like the answers they found……

    But yeah, he knew which buttons to press……..book it!

    Yup.

    I remember him saying that the Oilers would find some way to fumble the gift of McDavid so that the Oilers would still not be good a ways out and we all laughed.

    This blog couldn’t handle him today but I wouldn’t mind if he came back here. But like I have said in the past in regarding DSF, I don’t a kitchen fire every once in awhile.

  175. jtblack says:

    Whos gonna win tonight?

    Letss have some predictions??

    only 10 of 30 teams won coming off bye week Last year.

    I say Oilers win 6 – 4

  176. Thinker says:

    Lowetide:
    This blog has always had strong opinions in the comments section, and will continue to do so as long as people happen by. I am always disappointed in posters when they shit on people as opposed to arguing the merits of their opinions but I can’t see anything above that I would delete. As for the reaction when the Reinhart trade went down, it was fast and it was negative.

    http://lowetide.ca/2015/06/26/oilers-trade-no-16-for-griffin-reinhart/comment-page-1/#comments

    Interesting to see the gap between longtime posters and people I haven’t seen since. I don’t remember that many people loving Reinhart, but I was seeing red. Can you get GMoney on the show to talk about his reaction to the trade?

    Rom stopped by to offer the perfect summary. ‘This is an unmitigated disaster.”

  177. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Ouch. Waking up to see the Isles-Rangers boxscore and then I see the back-and-forth here.

    To both sides: I don’t think it helps to tell the other side to let it go. Just let it out. Where else can you but here?

    Goilers. Party tonight after a win. Party either way. Life is too short and no one turns 21 in Vegas except McGenerational. Rent a suite and technically you won’t be breaking curfew! Haha

  178. JD_Wry says:

    Melvis:
    Thinker,

    fuck off already.

    Or, Eat at Arby’s!

  179. leadfarmer says:

    Lowetide:
    This blog has always had strong opinions in the comments section, and will continue to do so as long as people happen by. I am always disappointed in posters when they shit on people as opposed to arguing the merits of their opinions but I can’t see anything above that I would delete. As for the reaction when the Reinhart trade went down, it was fast and it was negative.

    http://lowetide.ca/2015/06/26/oilers-trade-no-16-for-griffin-reinhart/comment-page-1/#comments

    I got progressively more drunk and angry during that thread. It’s funny to look back. Thanks for putting up with me over the years.
    Man as much as I hated that trade then I thought at least we’d get a 3rd pairing d out of that trade.

  180. Professor Q says:

    JD_Wry: Or, Eat at Arby’s!

    Harvey’s is also good. Plus you get Scene points…

  181. frjohnk says:

    jtblack:
    BAG OF PUCKSsays:

    June 26, 2015 at 6:57 pm

    Turned a #16 and a #33 into a #4OV and got the NYI to pay the dues on the development.

    Chiarelli gets the best player in the deal, fills his biggest need with a player who fits the core age wise, and fast tracks the return on the draft picks.

    If you don’t like this deal, you’re too enamoured with lottery tickets.

    I embarrassingly admit I defended Chia on this trade at the time as well.

    My dislike for OBC played a factor. Didn’t want to believe the warnings of his ending in Boston or the fact that Reinhart had been passed by many other D prospects. Put my blind faith into the GM as I wanted him and the team to succeed. I felt Reinhart would become a top 4 Dman and undestated strength of draft. Like Chia I was wrong , very wrong. But he runs a hockey team, I live in a basement

    Stepping back and looking at his track record has made me believe he has the same shortcomings as the guys who previously held the position: A failing to properly evaluate talent.

  182. Lowetide says:

    leadfarmer: I got progressively more drunk and angry during that thread.It’s funny to look back. Thanks for putting up with me over the years.Man as much as I hated that trade then I thought at least we’d get a 3rd pairing d out of that trade.

    No worries. We’ve all been there. 🙂

  183. Jethro Tull says:

    I have had some thoughts rattling around my noggin for a while. Plenty of room. Mainly concerning who really wins in a draft. When I’ve finished my train of thought (it may be a week or two), I’ll write a post with some questions. (Short one, I promise LT!)

    Just a taster: The Oilers long laudedthe ‘Detroit model’ of draft and development. That Ken Holland is a genius that ‘found’ Datsyuk and Zetterberg in the lower reaches of the draft. But is he? Did Holland in fact win his own draft lottery, not once, but twice? As time goes on and we no longer have your uncle’s Detroit, it’s edging toward the latter…..

  184. Melvis says:

    JD_Wry,

    I ate at Arbys once. Ok…two bites of the pork belly sandwich. It conjured up something a bit more pithy.

  185. Scungilli Slushy says:

    leadfarmer:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    Also there was no reason to throw in the second rounder. None

    There was no reason to give a first rounder for a player in that position. Players drafted that high should emerge quickly if they are the goods.

    As Willis said it’s on Chiarelli but for me the quotes he posted suggest PC didn’t know Reinhart in a current way at the time of the trade and was going on ‘advice’.

    Given what he was trading, essentially 2 first rounders, he should have been on the computer watching a ton of play. Before the draft if he was talking to his nemesis about a deal.

    Also, he was coming to a team that couldn’t find its ass with both hands and a surgeon to help. Showing trust was a poorly taken decision, which is what I believe he did.

  186. Rondo says:

    #16 + #33 =0 One of the worst trades in the NHL.

    Chiarelli has been a horrible GM should’ve been fired. His record is abysmal.

    Res ipsa loquitur

  187. Ryan says:

    jtblack,

    SERUM114says:
    June 26, 2015 at 6:55 pm
    Barzal is the new Parise for Oilers fans

    THEGREATMCMUTATOsays:
    June 26, 2015 at 6:55 pm
    I admit to knowing nothing about Reinhart. I guess from the Oilers’ perspective they wanted a defenseman and didn’t need another good center (with Barzal available)? Jeeeesh

    GR8ONEsays:
    June 26, 2015 at 7:00 pm
    Unfuckingbelivable.
    http://bmumford.com/photo/highspeed/Ted1.jpg
    Snowed by Garth Snow.
    In a completely different way this is a new Nadir.
    From such high hopes, picking McDavid was a no brainer, this is the real first insight as to what Chia’s master plan might look like and it sucks.
    We are going to be talking about this like Parise.
    This fucking REEKS of the Tambo/Klowe/MacT shitstorm…trading for an over rated ex-Oilking when we potentially could have had Barzal and Kylington with those picks.
    I’m vibrating I’m so disappointed

    GCW_69says:
    June 26, 2015 at 7:01 pm
    serum114:
    Barzal is the new Parise for Oilers fans
    Yep. We will remember this trade.

    LEADFARMERsays:
    June 26, 2015 at 7:09 pm
    Samson Loveblast,
    Not a bust, but you gave up a guy who could be a number 1 center for a guy who may become a 2nd pairing d man that has significant limitations in the ozone

    LADIESLOVESMIDsays:
    June 26, 2015 at 7:22 pm
    Not crazy about Reinhart, but he’s a fine player. You hope he anchors your 2nd pairing.
    My problem is he’s a 21YO LHD prospect, and he’s not as good as Nurse or Klefbom. Maybe play him on the right side in Bakersfield and hope he’s the stay at home partner for Nurse.
    Funky trade. If Barzal/Svechnikov were off the board, wouldn’t have such a sour fast in my mouth. Passed on serious talent

    OILERMAN1000says:
    June 26, 2015 at 7:27 pm
    This was a trade of historic proportions. It was actually worse than the parise trade. To leave the talent that was available at 16 (Connor, Barzal, Erikksan, Roy, Svechkinov) is criminal. To think of the talent they left at 33 (Samsamov, Juulsen, Bear, Dunn) makes this even worse. Look at Chicago- the reason they’re successful is they always have new players coming in to take key role positions. The oilers had a chance to fill to key holes in 2-4 years and just blew it. Not to mention the 33rd could of gotten us a key goalie we desperately need.
    I am so upset with this pick I’m sending my jersey back. As a tier one fan this is absolutely inexcusable. Two bruin alumni today made stupid decisions.

    THERES OIL IN VIRGINIAsays:
    June 26, 2015 at 7:33 pm
    G Money: So what am I missing here?
    I think you’re missing that fans were all jazzed up to make a selection of one of these really talented guys who were slipping. Barzal was ranked #9 by McKenzie and #8 by LT. To see him slip to #16 was beautiful, especially after what the Bruins did. What some folks are missing is that these guys slipping made a trade possible, and several folks, including LT, were talking about this happening earlier today and earlier this week. I think it’s a buzz-kill to see the pick traded, and especially for a guy who has 8 games of NHL experience and still some question marks. Maybe Rheinhart isn’t Doogie Howserton, but the knee-jerk reactions above are a bit much.

    CHAMUCKSsays:
    June 26, 2015 at 7:42 pm
    Ryan,
    If it wasn’t Barzal on the board I wouldn’t be near as pissed

  188. OriginalPouzar says:

    I wonder who starts in goal for the Oilers tonight?

    Does Slepy draw in (for Cammy maybe)?

    Will we see Nurse on the PP? Probably note, no practice time, I don’t imagine they just throw him in there.

    How many goals will the Oilers score on Subban? Over/Under at 3.5 for me – tough one, I’m going over.

    Lets hit the bye week with some positive play on the ice.

    Go Oilers!

  189. Scungilli Slushy says:

    frjohnk: You shoulda been here when DSF posted here.

    Those times were like road rage escalating to a 100 car pile with3 murders 12 beatings LT’s 8 Track being broken.

    Compared to today road rage in which a few people got the finger, a couple got run off the road and ended up with a flat, and that’s about it.

    I was thinking this is relatively mellow compared to when stats took off, the comment section then was much hotter and mean spirited.

    Luxury!

  190. Jethro Tull says:

    Ryan,

    That was a fun thread……DSF vs. Caramel vs. GMoney in a 3 way that would have wasted downtown Tokyo quicker than you can say ‘Godzilla’.

  191. OmJo says:

    frjohnk: You shoulda been here when DSF posted here.

    Those times were like road rage escalating to a 100 car pile with3 murders 12 beatings LT’s 8 Track being broken.

    Compared to today road rage in which a few people got the finger, a couple got run off the road and ended up with a flat, and that’s about it.

    Like old-timer hockey?

  192. Oil2Oilers says:

    Fly like an Eagle LT Fly like an Eagle

  193. Nailer Yakumoto says:

    Saw a bald eagle in the yard yesterday, knew it was a sign.

  194. JD_Wry says:

    OmJo: Like old-timer hockey?

    Think Fontinato – Howe, without the respect.

  195. Pescador says:

    Lowetide: No worries. We’ve all been there. 🙂

    I was there last night

  196. OriginalPouzar says:

    Talbot starts tonight.

    I’m thinking part of the reason might be that Montoya is less than Two weeks from being on IR for a concussion. Might be a bit early for him to play back to backs on the road.

  197. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Worst part is in watching the highlights Eberle took a big hit in order to make a gorgeous pass on his 4th assist. Why couldn’t he have done that here against Anaheim. What a bum!

  198. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Well, reading that thread was fun and depressing. What’s this year’s bone head gambit? Nuge and a first for Weber and Plekanec? That would scratch another OBC itch. Deeply. Provocatively deep.

  199. Gret99zky says:

    frjohnk: Yup.

    This blog couldn’t handle him today but I wouldn’t mind if he came back here. But like I have said in the past in regarding DSF, I don’t a kitchen fire every once in awhile.

    Hehe

    There have been a few posters over the years that have suggested DeeEssEff return.

    Followed promptly by a plea to LT to remove him. Again.

    “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”

  200. JD_Wry says:

    Scungilli Slushy: What’s this year’s bone head gambit?


    Cammalleri… Palmieri… oh SHIT!

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