G49 2017-18: Flames at Oilers

The Edmonton Oilers graduated some fine talent to the NHL from Oklahoma City over a five-year period beginning in 2010. Jeff Petry and Chris VandeVelde (2010), Tyler Pitlick (2011), Justin Schultz, Martin Marincin and Brandon Davidson (2012), Oscar Klefbom (2013), Jordan Oesterle and Jujhar Khaira (2014) all had their first substantial pro experiences in OKC. That’s a pretty good list, heavy on defensemen (damn good ones, too, in Petry, Schultz and Klefbom) and light on scoring forwards. That’s going to be a focus of great interest for the organization in the next 12 months. The Bakersfield Condors, the AHL affiliate since 2015-16, has graduated two forwards (Jesse Puljujarvi and Anton Slepyshev) but the cupboard is bare this year. Can the organization populate the Condors roster with substantial forward prospects by fall?

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RED RUM, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • January 2016: 4-3-2, goal differential -3 (10 points)
  • January 2017: 6-3-0, goal differential 0 (12 points)
  • January 2018: 4-5-0, goal differential -12 (8 points)
  • 2016 3-2 loss to Dallas (Source)
  • 2017 3-2 loss to Nashville in a shootout (Source)

This is the final game of the month of January for the Oilers, the team could catch the January 2016 edition of Todd McLellan’s Edmonton team. If they win tonight, just three points represent the gap between last year’s playoff edition and this one. Death by paper cut.

AFTER 49, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers 15-16: 19-24-5, goal differential -26 (43 points)
  • Oilers 16-17: 25-15-8, goal differential +10 (58 points)
  • Oilers 17-18: 21-24-3, goal differential -23 (45 points)
  • 2016 3-2 loss to Dallas (Source)
  • 2017 7-3 win over Calgary (Source)

One assumes a better game tonight, the Oilers have been solid to excellent against the Flames for some time now. That said, predicting this team is like touching your nose with your tongue: Impossible unless you’re from Finland.

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM JANUARY

  • At home to: Los Angeles, Anaheim (Expected 0-1-1) (Actual 1-1-0)
  • On the road to: Dallas, Chicago, Nashville, Arizona, Vegas (Expected 2-2-1) (Actual 2-3-0)
  • At home to: Vancouver, Buffalo, Calgary (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 1-1-0)
  • Overall expected result: 4-4-2, 10 points in 10 games
  • Current results: 4-5-0, eight points in nine games

Edmonton has a chance to match my prediction for the team, never in one hundred years could we have known the insane path this club took during January. One game under .500 for the month, -12 goal differential. Of course.

YAMAMOTO UPDATE

  • 2016-17: 65gp, 42.57-99 (1.52)
  • 2017-18: 19gp, 8-17-25 (1.32)

Two more goals last night, now 7-8-15 in his last seven games. His NHLE is now 31 points and that’s closer to what we might expect for a prospect who is going to play on a skill line in pro hockey.

THE 2017-18 BAKERSFIELD CONDORS

This is the extent of next year’s prospect group in Bakersfield, before the trade deadline, college signing season and summer activity. Edmonton might sign some of their own RFA’s (Ty Rattie, Dillon Simpson) who could be considered prospects, but this group would represent the population still signed to entry-level contracts next season.

How does that compare to other teams? Well, this year, the Stockton Heat have Rasmus Andersson and Oliver Kylington (both 20), Andrew Mangiapane and Brett Pollock (21), plus Emile Poirier, Ryan Lomberg, Mark Jankowski, Hunter Shinkaruk, Morgan Klimchuk (22). Edmonton is not close to having that kind of quality in the minors this or next season. Calgary will/could graduate defenseman Juuso Valimaki plus forwards Dillon Dube, Matthew Phillips and Glenn Gawdin.

Many miles to go.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A busy, fun show with fabulous guests today! TSN1260, beginning at 10. Scheduled to appear:

  • Bruce McCurdy, Cult of Hockey. Oilers prepare for a big game tonight, coming off one of their poorest efforts in years days. What can we expect?
  • Rob Vollman, NHL.com and ESPN. We’ll talk about the most active general managers at the deadline and what we can expect this time.
  • Frank Seravalli, TSN. Oilers in trouble, what changes could we see this deadline and into summer?
  • Justin Roethlingshoefer is the Strength and Performance Coach for the San Diego Gulls of the American Hockey League. He has a new book out called  Intent: A Practical Approach to Applied Sport Science for Athletic Development. We’ll talk about a fascinating wrinkle in athletic development that can be applied across all levels.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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  1. Wilde says:

    Game of the year?

  2. russ99 says:

    Jesus.

    Nice win boys, way to fight back.

  3. StixMalone says:

    OilClog:
    Mcdavid talking shit, angry 97 might go off on the league here.

    Somebody should….

  4. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    Nix:
    Guaranteed this has a lot to do with the Matthews goalie interference a few nights back. Identical weak call. No way Torontowas going to let this slide.

    If this is true the NHL is fucked as a professional league.

  5. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Pretendergast:
    did connor just tell the refs to go upstairs with that one?

    It wasn’t the refs’ call. I am sure they felt awful about it. The NHL needs to fix their definition of goaltender interference.

  6. StixMalone says:

    Bettman was in the control room and called it no goal because….oilers

  7. russ99 says:

    Pretendergast:
    did connor just tell the refs to go upstairs with that one?

    Lol! I sure did.

  8. flyfish1168 says:

    Sighduck:
    Can we challenge it on the basis that Tkachuk is a POS?

    If he was our POS we would say he smells like roses.

  9. D says:

    4 wins out of 5.

  10. OmJo says:

    That’s a team building win right there.

  11. Munny says:

    OmJo:
    That’s a team building win right there.

    AAAAAndddd…. we go to break.

  12. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    OmJo:
    That’s a team building win right there.

    Feels like it. Yet every time we say that they let us down this year. Here’s hoping the 4th time’s the charm.

  13. Diablo says:

    Almost got jobbed by the refs/NHL …. again.
    Knew that as soon as it went to review, the Oilers would get hosed … they ALWAYS do.

    Turning the other cheek just allows the refs to continue to get away with this night after night.

    Take a page from Anaheim’s book – complain about the reffing publicly every night.

    Have your video review guy flood the internet with videos of these refs incompetence and bias.

    In this day and age, public shaming works.

  14. Professor Q says:

    Ha! Apparently Connor asked the ref if they wanted to review his shootout goal.

    He does have moxie, after all…

  15. Zelepukin says:

    I’m gonna jump back onto the fire Todd train if he draws Letestu back in. Seriously. PK went 4/4 at home. 56% FO.

  16. SK Oiler Fan says:

    One of these games I’d really like to see an Oiler coach really lose their shit as a big FU to the league. The Asistant coaches would be my preference. Maybe the PK and PP would improve during their suspension.

  17. MrMojoRisin’ says:

    That was special
    What a game, don’t know how to classify that call, I’m happy they came out with a win though.

    Time to get one tone over the line haha

    They did it! Hot damn! They fought this one through for the fans.

  18. prefonmich says:

    Zelepukin,

    Couldn’t agree more. Maybe he is getting sat because a trade is all but confirmed. Can’t see what another team would give up but who knows?!

  19. Zelepukin says:

    Munny: AAAAAndddd…. we go to break.

    lol so true. We are the worst with this shit. Granted, Dadbot did let in the first shot yet again and we actually won the game. Maybe the curse has been lifted?

  20. Professor Q says:

    flyfish1168: If he wasour POS we would say he smells like roses.

    Some, maybe, but others would be iffy and some might call him out out of distaste.

    I was like that with Torres, and certainly would be like that with Tkatchuk (and was, when he and Max Jones were the dirty stars here in ol’ London Town).

  21. StixMalone says:

    Professor Q:
    Ha! Apparently Connor asked the ref if they wanted to review his shootout goal.

    He does have moxie, afterall…

    Yep. Too bad ref called it a goal and had his decision overturned by a bunch of clowns in Toronto. Can’t come up and make a good decision is a persistent problem in this league.

  22. JimmyV1965 says:

    I’m so tired of seeing McDavid and Drai on the PK. I mean occasionally is okay, but they’re out there all the time. The PK should be something a player takes pride in. It should be something they think about when they go to bed at night. That will simply never happen those two. And I don’t mean this as a criticism of the players. That’s not their role.

  23. Zelepukin says:

    Professor Q: Some, maybe, but others would be iffy and some might call him out out of distaste.

    I was like that with Torres, and certainly would be like that with Tkatchuk.

    Have you forgot about Kassian? We wanted him dead when the Gagner hit happened.

  24. striatic says:

    Zelepukin:
    I’m gonna jump back onto the fire Todd train if he draws Letestu back in. Seriously. PK went 4/4 at home. 56% FO.

    Draisaitl with team leading 4:11 Short Handed TOI. More of that please.

    Also Davidson helping out on second PK with 3:09 looked good too.

  25. Professor Q says:

    Zelepukin: Have you forgot about Kassian? We wanted him dead when the Gagner hit happened.

    Yes, and then when his alcoholism took a downturn and he got into that car crash and then refitted his lifestyle and game playing style to help heal with a new opportunity, it became a very beautiful story.

  26. Zelepukin says:

    JimmyV1965:
    I’m so tired of seeing McDavid and Drai on the PK. I mean occasionally is okay, but they’re out there all the time. The PK should be something a player takes pride in. It should be something they think about when they go to bed at night. That will simply never happen those two. And I don’t mean this as a criticism of the players. That’s not their role.

    I’m fine with McD on the PK. He just needs to press more, which seems like a team strategy to not do, more than him not having the desire to do it. There is probably no one in the game who is better at unexpectedly creating takeaways because of how fast he can close gaps and intercept passes.

    Drai on the other hand… not really built for the PK.

  27. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Diablo:
    Almost got jobbed by the refs/NHL …. again.
    Knew that as soon as it went to review, the Oilers would get hosed … they ALWAYS do.

    Turning the other cheek just allows the refs to continue to get away with this night after night.

    Take a page from Anaheim’s book – complain about the reffing publicly every night.

    Have your video review guy flood the internet with videos of these refs incompetence and bias.

    In this day and age, public shaming works.

    Again, it’s NOT the refs’ call! It’s Toronto– the League “Situation Room”

  28. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    Dear Connor,

    I’m sorry

    It won’t happen again

  29. OriginalPouzar says:

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    CAL/EDM was phenomenal tonight, maybe best game I’ve seen this year…but the NHL needs to take a long look at goaltender interference during the break.

  30. OriginalPouzar says:

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    Just saw the goalie interference call in the Oilers game. This is absurd. I am totally disillusioned with what they think they’re trying to accomplish. It’s clear the rule is “we don’t know what the rule is, so we will throw darts on each review” Signed, NHL

  31. Sighduck says:

    I simply do not understand why Tmac does not view Davidson as a regular. Obviously tonight is an ! point on this point but the poise and calm decision making Davidson has shown since even last season is hugely valuable.

    Really confusing how he has been out of the lineup in favour of guys like Russell and Benning…

  32. geowal says:

    Well that was fun…and ridiculous.

  33. Pretendergast says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker),

    how bout we just send a montage of almost every second mcdavids on the ice? 😉

  34. Sighduck says:

    Tmac takes the easy way out in his post game interview

  35. OriginalPouzar says:

    JimmyV1965:
    I’m so tired of seeing McDavid and Drai on the PK. I mean occasionally is okay, but they’re out there all the time. The PK should be something a player takes pride in. It should be something they think about when they go to bed at night. That will simply never happen those two. And I don’t mean this as a criticism of the players. That’s not their role.

    When Nuge is out and you sit Letestu and Pak, that’s going to happen. Not to mention 3 misconducts for Kas tonight, so he wasn’t available.

    Either way, I’m just fine with McDavid on the PK – he’s a reasonably effective PKer and is dangerous out there. Drai is starting to learn on the PK.

    We had Strome and Caggulia out there as a PK pair at one point – options are limited (Caggulia is the worst PKer on the team).

  36. OriginalPouzar says:

    Sighduck:
    I simply do not understand why Tmac does not view Davidson as a regular. Obviously tonight is an ! point on this point but the poise and calm decision making Davidson has shown since even last season is hugely valuable.

    Really confusing how he has been out of the lineup in favour of guys like Russell and Benning…

    Davidson had a tough stretch of 3 game or so and was taken out on merit – the team then started playing well generally and went on a small run. Davidson got his opportunity tonight and obviously earned himself more games.

  37. Professor Q says:

    Technically the referee has the final say.

    Acting like he didn’t want to overturn it and stating in the call that it was the Situation Room’s demand to overturn it is passing the puck, because he very well could have listened to Toronto’s advice, but disagreed and made the right choice instead.

    But he didn’t and therefore is culpable. Even stating that it was Toronto’s decision makes him almost more culpable.

  38. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    Hockey Project,

    So bloody obvious.

  39. geowal says:

    OriginalPouzar:
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    Just saw the goalie interference call in the Oilers game. This is absurd. I am totally disillusioned with what they think they’re trying to accomplish. It’s clear the rule is “we don’t know what the rule is, so we will throw darts on each review” Signed, NHL

    I’d wish sportsnet would hire Ferraro if I wasn’t worried they’d just ruin him somehow.

  40. OriginalPouzar says:

    McDavid given an abuse of officials misconduct at the end of the game.

  41. hunter1909 says:

    Glad they won. Keeps the misery level down in here for the next week.

  42. Sighduck says:

    OriginalPouzar: Davidson had a tough stretch of 3 game or so and was taken out on merit – the team then started playing well generally and went on a small run. Davidson got his opportunity tonight and obviously earned himself more games.

    I suppose the point I am trying to make is this coach plays favourites far too much for my liking, IMO Benning has been taking on water for too long when there is a motivated defender like Davidson on stand by.

  43. Pretendergast says:

    hunter1909,

    there are dozens of us!

  44. Professor Q says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    McDavid given an abuse of officials misconduct at the end of the game.

    I just saw that. Boo-hoo, ref. You messed up and called out for it. Deal with it like a professional.

    So, how exactly does that work? Oilers start the next game shorthanded?

  45. Sighduck says:

    In light of that goaltender interference call does anyone wanna talk about Kesler in the playoffs last year again haha

  46. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Professor Q:
    Technically the referee has the final say.

    Acting like he didn’t want to overturn it and stating in the call that it was the Situation Room’s demand to overturn it is passing the puck, because he very well could have listened to Toronto’s advice, but disagreed and made the right choice instead.

    But he didn’t and therefore is culpable. Even stating that it was Toronto’s decision makes him almost more culpable.

    What? Has that ever happened?

  47. Diablo says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    McDavid given an abuse of officials misconduct at the end of the game.

    Good – they deserve his scorn.
    This season is lost – Rogers Place should become an extremely unfriendly place to refs.
    When you suck at your job, and it continuously costs the home team, then they deserve nothing but contempt.

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): Again, it’s NOT the refs’ call! It’s Toronto– the League “Situation Room”

    Ultimately its the ref’s call (see previous comments in this thread)

    I hope Connor continues to hurl shade on the refs – what have the refs done for him?
    Night after night, he is slashed, held, hooked, and tackled … the refs just look the other way.
    They have no respect for him, and they do nothing to protect him on the ice.

    The NHL is just unwatchable cause of this.

    Public shaming works.

  48. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Diablo,

    I did not know the refs can overrule a call from Toronto. Has that ever happened?

  49. geowal says:

    Professor Q: I just saw that. Boo-hoo, ref. You messed up and called out for it. Deal with it like a professional.

    So, how exactly does that work? Oilers start the next game shorthanded?

    There goes his Lady Byng!

  50. prefonmich says:

    Professor Q,

    Ya and can the Oilers apply for an abuse BY officials call for all the times they’ve been screwed.over by officials. Only one side is held.accountable it seems.

  51. OriginalPouzar says:

    From Gregor:

    Me: Do you know what goalie interference is?
    Talbot: No &(*&(*^ idea. When I watched the replay it looked like the goalie got up, if he has time to get up how is it interference? If we’d got a call like that last year (playoffs) who knows what happens.”

  52. Professor Q says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): What? Has that ever happened?

    Yes, if you listen to him call the goal off he states that it was Toronto’s conclusion, possibly indicating that it was not his. I’ve never heard them actually state specifically “the conclusion of the Situation Room in Toronto is…” before. They just say after review the call on the ice stands or doesn’t etc.

    As for it ever happening before, likely. I just have no sources at the moment.

    The Corey Perry and Ryan Kesler interference goal incident is one, however. Video Review declared no goal but the ref couldn’t bring himself to tell Corey. So the goal stood.

    The other instances likely occur when the large ref scrubs are on the phone for extended periods of time and use their iPads etc. There’s a reason it takes so long and that they have their own video reviews as opposed to a separate entity only.

  53. Rebilled says:

    5 wins, 1 loss in the last 5 games.

    FIFA is rigged, why not the NHL?

    #outdoorhockeyinqatar

  54. OmJo says:

    Zelepukin:
    I’m gonna jump back onto the fire Todd train if he draws Letestu back in. Seriously. PK went 4/4 at home. 56% FO.

    Twas coincidence.

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): Feels like it. Yet every time we say that they let us down this year. Here’s hoping the 4th time’s the charm.

    Very true, unfortunately.

  55. OmJo says:

    Professor Q: Yes, if you listen to him call the goal off he states that it was Toronto’s conclusion, possibly indicating that it was not his. I’ve never heard them actually state specifically “the conclusion of the Situation Room in Toronto is…” before. They just say after review the call on the ice stands or doesn’t etc.

    Honestly my mind blocked out what he said after I heard him say it was no goal, I don’t recall it but now that you mention it, that guy looked… uncomfortable making the call. Seemed hesitant.

  56. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Professor Q,

    Well their IPad own reviews I thought were not the “situation room” ones. Yeah, if a coach challenges or they decide on the ice to review they have a say and they can see the video.

    But if Toronto calls in they aren’t on their iPads. Therefore I find it hard to believe that anyone would go against a call from said “situation room” at these end of game moments.

    If you can provide an example where this has happened I would appreciate it, but otherwise it just sounds like wishful thinking on our part?

  57. admiralmark says:

    Funny you cant find a replay of the disallowed goal on Sportsnet, TSN, or NHL.com Cowards.

  58. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Professor Q: Yes, if you listen to him call the goal off he states that it was Toronto’s conclusion, possibly indicating that it was not his. I’ve never heard them actually state specifically “the conclusion of the Situation Room in Toronto is…” before. They just say after review the call on the ice stands or doesn’t etc.

    Hmmm… more proof that the Toronto MSM has an agenda against the Oilers?

  59. Rebilled says:

    iHappy Robbie Burns Night! Scotch! Pure Barry!

  60. OmJo says:

    geowal: I’d wish sportsnet would hire Ferraro if I wasn’t worried they’d just ruin him somehow.

    Rogers ruins everything they touch.

  61. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Professor Q,

    I think our signals are crossed. I am saying that a ref would never overrule a call from Toronto Situation Room, as is being suggested by some. If there is an example anyone has of that ever happening I would like to know of it.

    Of course I could see that the ref was uncomfortable with having to change his call on the ice on this one cause he thought it was bogus. But if Toronto said so…

  62. rope-a-dope says:

    No wonder Vince McMahon has decided to bring back the XFL. He sees an opportunity to supplant the NHL as the 4th biggest sports league in NA.

  63. Diablo says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    Diablo,

    I did not know the refs can overrule a call from Toronto. Has that ever happened?

    From an article by Frank Severalli that appeared on TSN after the BS call against Anaheim in the playoffs.

    “When a referee puts the headset on to review the play on an iPad, the conversation with senior vice presidents of hockey ops Kris King, Mike Murphy or Colin Campbell is to guide the referee to the “right call,” even if it means overturning the original one. The SVPs in the Situation Room in Toronto walk the referee through the different angles and point out anything they can see on the larger screen that the referee may be missing.

    Ultimately, the Situation Room does not steer a referee one way or the other. The final call remains that of the referee on the ice – whether it’s a coach’s challenge or an automatic review in the final minute of regulation or overtime.”

    Ultimately the last word comes down to the ref on the ice, who ultimately decides to screw the Oilers over in these video reviews.

  64. OmJo says:

    Jason Gregor
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    The @nhl should be embarrassed by that goal reversal. Situation room is basically Shituation room. Truth hurts.

  65. OmJo says:

    Ref blaming the situation room, the situation room blaming the ref.

    What a gong show

    https://www.nhl.com/news/calgary-flames-edmonton-oilers-situation-room-initiated-challenge/c-295316598?tid=277729160

  66. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Diablo,

    But that’s a different scenario.

    That’s when the refs call for a review or a coach challenges.

    This call CAME from Toronto’s Situation Room itself.

  67. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    I’m rewinding now—the refs aren’t looking at any iPAd here. This is a direct call coming in from Toronto TELLING them it is no goal.

    This is not the scenario laid out by Severalli above.

  68. OmJo says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker),

    From the link I posted: At 1:16 of overtime in the Flames/Oilers game, the Situation Room initiated a review under the terms of a Coach’s Challenge to examine whether Edmonton’s Connor McDavid interfered with Flames goaltender David Rittich prior to their goal.

    After reviewing all available replays and consulting with NHL Hockey Operations staff, the Referees determined that McDavid prevented Rittich from doing his job in his crease, in accordance with Rule 78.7 which states in part: “The standard for overturning the call in the event of a ‘GOAL’ call on the ice is that the Referee … determines that the goal should have been disallowed due to ‘Interference on the Goalkeeper,’ as described in Rules 69.1, 69.3 and 69.4.”

  69. OmJo says:

    Great thing about Davidson lighting up the Flames twice is these were the assholes who took him out early last season.

  70. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    OmJo,

    Yet the refs never looked at any replays. I just looked at replay of the whole thing. No IPads.

  71. OmJo says:

    Diablo: The SVPs in the Situation Room in Toronto walk the referee through the different angles and point out anything they can see on the larger screen that the referee may be missing.

    Ultimately, the Situation Room does not steer a referee one way or the other.

    Is it just me or do those two sentences seem contradictory?

  72. OmJo says:

    admiralmark:
    Funny you cant find a replay of the disallowed goal on Sportsnet, TSN, or NHL.com Cowards.

    A number of TSN employees are publically blasting the NHL for the call, notably (so far) Neilson and Ferraro. Edmonton sports media getting on the league for it hard, too.

  73. Munny says:

    Remenda says during the broadcast’s replay,

    “Now the interesting thing is… this goes to the situation room in Toronto, but the referee is the guy who makes the call after consultation.”

  74. OmJo says:

    All tweets via Jermain Franklin:

    Jermain Franklin
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    36m36 minutes ago

    McDavid explains his gesture after scoring in the shootout. “I thought it wasn’t the right call but they’re just doing their job. They’re trying to do what’s best for the game and you don’t always have to agree with that… I should not have done that but that’s frustration” 1/2

    McDavid “I think everyone just wants black and white you know? I think everyone just wants it to be goaltender interference or not… I see myself just trying to make a play at the net and I’m turning, I’m trying to get out of the way, I do avoid the goalie but I catch his stick.”

    McDavid “Like I always say, I’m always trying to defend the refs. I feel like I’m always good to the refs. I try not to do stuff like I did tonight but, you know ultimately, i did what I did. I hope they’re not too upset at me, I’m sure they are but that’s the way it goes.”

  75. OmJo says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    OmJo,

    Yet the refs never looked at any replays. I just looked at replay of the whole thing. No IPads.

    I dunno man.

    All I can say is they better straighten this shit out before game 7 of the SCF and I think I might be boycotting the NHL during the winter olympics (probably not but but hey, why not).

    Neither side wants to take responsibility, making me think both sides know they F’d up.

  76. Confused says:

    Just listen to Davy, bravo.

    Just excited to be playing, Todd for once pay attention.

  77. OmJo says:

    TMac on the call: I have thoughts but I’m probably best to keep them to myself.

    Sigh.

  78. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    OmJo:
    TMac on the call: I have thoughts but I’m probably best to keep them to myself.

    Sigh.

    Guy makes 3 million dollars. Would not hurt to spend a little to do a Gretzky Team Canada rant.

    Use this as an ‘it’s us against everyone else’ moment.

  79. matt says:

    WTF. The following link states that the “Situation Room initiated a review under the terms of a Coach’s Challenge”. While the commentary in the video notes that OT has no Coach’s Challenges, this is not the first time the Situation Room has initiated a review in OT.

    The referee speaks pretty fast, but he says “after video review with the situation room in Toronto it was determined there was goaltender interference…”

    So the ref on the ice made the call. You can see the tablet at the 3:29 mark.

    https://www.nhl.com/news/calgary-flames-edmonton-oilers-situation-room-initiated-challenge/c-295316598?tid=277729160

  80. OmJo says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker),

    Yup.

    Also, so far, the Oilers website doesn’t have Talbot’s thoughts on the call in his interview clip. Take from that what you will.

    This:

    Jason Gregor‏Verified account @JasonGregor

    Me: Do you know what goalie interference is?
    Talbot: No &(*&(*^ idea. When I watched the replay it looked like the goalie got up, if he has time to get up how is it interference? If we’d got a call like that last year (playoffs) who knows what happens.”

  81. Diablo says:

    OmJo:
    All tweets via Jermain Franklin:

    Jermain Franklin
    ‏Verified account @TSNJFranklin
    36m36 minutes ago

    McDavid explains his gesture after scoring in the shootout.“I thought it wasn’t the right call but they’re just doing their job. They’re trying to do what’s best for the game and you don’t always have to agree with that… I should not have done that but that’s frustration” 1/2


    McDavid “I think everyone just wants black and white you know? I think everyone just wants it to be goaltender interference or not… I see myself just trying to make a play at the net and I’m turning, I’m trying to get out of the way, I do avoid the goalie but I catch his stick.”

    McDavid “Like I always say, I’m always trying to defend the refs. I feel like I’m always good to the refs. I try not to do stuff like I did tonight but, you know ultimately, i did what I did. I hope they’re not too upset at me, I’m sure they are but that’s the way it goes.”

    He’s a good kid.

    If it’s true that the refs didn’t take a look for themselves then they are still culpable for not doing there jobs. Ignorance isn’t innocence. If you read the last part of that Severlli quote – the ref should have the final say even if it is an automatic review in OT (which this was). The situation room is not supposed to bias or influence the refs decision (obviously that’s not the case here).

    #gongshow

  82. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    matt,

    You are right about tablet at 3:29. did not see it. But this isn’t a coach’s challenge. There is no coach’s challenge on these. NHL Situation Room only. So they called in to influence the decision.

  83. €√¥£€^$ says:

    The NHL has A LOT of warts and with too many coaches’ primary game plan consisting of snuffing out offense, the League trumps them. That my friends is an idiotic way to conduct a business that is supposedly based on entertainment.

    I’ve got a bit of a grand idea that I have been considering for the past couple of weeks. I have to refine it and then I will present to ask for any/everyone’s feedback in a month or two.

    More to follow

  84. OmJo says:

    Munny:
    Remenda says during the broadcast’s replay,

    “Now the interesting thing is… this goes to the situation room in Toronto, but the referee is the guy who makes the call after consultation.”

    He also says the referee’s original call was a good goal at 2:30 on the link matt posted. League says it was a coaches challenge. Can you do a coaches challenge in OT? Who made the call to review the play?

    I found this… https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-coaches-are-up-to-the-challenge-with-new-rule-allowing-them-to-review-goals/c-785362

    NHL coaches can challenge goals based on whether the play was offside or there was goalie interference. The coach can challenge only if he hasn’t used his timeout. And the challenge is not necessary in the final minute of the third period or overtime, when the league takes over all reviews.

    This is turning into a game of Clue now.

  85. OmJo says:

    The refs face when making the call is priceless.

  86. Ribs says:

    JimmyV1965:
    I’m so tired of seeing McDavid and Drai on the PK. I mean occasionally is okay, but they’re out there all the time. The PK should be something a player takes pride in. It should be something they think about when they go to bed at night. That will simply never happen those two. And I don’t mean this as a criticism of the players. That’s not their role.

    No problem, just put your request in to the GM to get some guys who can kill penalties. Until then…

  87. Ribs says:

    OmJo:
    The refs face when making the call is priceless.

    Oh man. He knew. Poor bastard.

    I hope the refs know that McDavid was just venting. He knows they had nothing to do with it.

  88. Ribs says:

    I don’t think it would be fair to ask the refs to go with what they saw over what the video review guy tells them. As soon as it goes to review, it’s pretty much out of their hands.

  89. OriginalPouzar says:

    Great comeback win last night.

    I don’t really consider shootout wins true wins (more of a tie with a bonus point awarded) but they did win this game in OT so I’ll consider this one a true win.

    Although I was express that Talbot needed to make a save early, he sure made those saves in the mid and late parts of the game – we needed him last night and he came though.

    Lucic went from the worst player in the NHL to a dominant force for 4-5 shifts in the third – that Lucic can play on my team any day.

    Another solid game from Ryan Strome – that required $3M QO is going to be an issue – there is a player there with a role on this team next year but $3M is high and we need value contracts in the bottom 6.

  90. Sighduck says:

    Kassian does smell like roses

  91. GMB3 says:

    JimmyV1965:
    I’m so tired of seeing McDavid and Drai on the PK. I mean occasionally is okay, but they’re out there all the time. The PK should be something a player takes pride in. It should be something they think about when they go to bed at night. That will simply never happen those two. And I don’t mean this as a criticism of the players. That’s not their role.

    What year is it

  92. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Man the popup ad here is really annoying these days. I know LT’s gotta eat so I get it but wish it was a bit smaller with a slightly larger x

  93. OriginalPouzar says:

    I’m going to give a little shout out to Ryan Strome here.

    Player for player, we will never be able to say we got value in the trade but Strome is an Oiler and I’m going to analyze him without regard to the trade.

    Strome had a pretty middling first couple of month as an Oiler but, to my eye, he’s really played quite a bit better over the last 3-4 weeks and I dare say one of the more consistent Oilers over that stretch. I believe that coincidences with him switching to center.

    While he’s not a dynamic offensive player, he does make good plays in the offensive zone and is a good passer with a very good shot when he gets it off. He plays a reasonable 200 foot game and is not bad on the boards.

    Last night was his best game as an Oilers – played over 22 minutes including about 3 and a half on the PK (which pretty much matched his season output prior to last night). He had two assists and scored the OT winner which was disallowed while going around 60% in the faceoff circle.

    The game he brought last night is worth $3M/season if he can bring it every night and he’s been pretty darn consistent over the last 3 weeks.

    I’m looking forward to seeing if he can be consistent for the rest of the year – one of the “storylines” I’m tuning in to.

    There is a player there – the main issue is the required $3M QO – we need value contracts in the bottom 6 but if he can play like that at evens and become a good penalty killer, $3M isn’t a bad deal.

    Come on Ryan, show some consistency, I’m rooting for you.

  94. russ99 says:

    If Connor wants to say something about the constantly misinterpreted rulebook and how there are infractions against him every time up the ice, he should save it for this weekend on the biggest stage, saying as factual as how the game has changed rather than out of anger or spite.

    That might get noticed.

  95. JimmyV1965 says:

    GMB3: What year is it

    Gotta love the condescension of this answer. McDavid is fourth on this team in PK for forwards at 1:22 a game. That is very unusual. Drai is sixth at :44.

    You make it sound like every team in the league has their leading scorers playing a bunch of PK. Did you check it out?

    I can tell you, there are a few teams that do this, but not many. It ain’t the Penguins, or the Caps, or the Bolts, or the Flames, or the Sharks or the Leafs. Yes, there are some teams that do this, such as the Bruins and Panthers.

    But it is the exception, not the rule. And it’s for high scoring players who are considered very good two-way forwards.

  96. JimmyV1965 says:

    My apologies for being a little snarky LT. Was a little offended by the smart aleck comment. Some teams do have their best players on PK and some don’t.

  97. 99thoilerfan says:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xzXJBVIWis

    Good on you McD…. always double check if you goal counts or not….

  98. jtblack says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I’m going to give a little shout out to Ryan Strome here.

    Player for player, we will never be able to say we got value in the trade but Strome is an Oiler and I’m going to analyze him without regard to the trade.

    Strome had a pretty middling first couple of month as an Oiler but, to my eye, he’s really played quite a bit better over the last 3-4 weeks and I dare say one of the more consistent Oilers over that stretch. I believe that coincidences with him switching to center.

    While he’s not a dynamic offensive player, he does make good plays in the offensive zone and is a good passer with a very good shot when he gets it off. He plays a reasonable 200 foot game and is not bad on the boards.

    Last night was his best game as an Oilers – played over 22 minutes including about 3 and a half on the PK (which pretty much matched his season output prior to last night). He had two assists and scored the OT winner which was disallowed while going around 60% in the faceoff circle.

    The game he brought last night is worth $3M/season if he can bring it every night and he’s been pretty darn consistent over the last 3 weeks.

    I’m looking forward to seeing if he can be consistent for the rest of the year – one of the “storylines” I’m tuning in to.

    There is a player there – the main issue is the required $3M QO – we need value contracts in the bottom 6 but if he can play like that at evens and become a good penalty killer, $3M isn’t a bad deal.

    Come on Ryan, show some consistency, I’m rooting for you.

    I think the main thiing is IF the coach will LEAVE him at 3C. Strome has stated he prefers C. Leave him there. Come baack next year with McD, Drai, Strome , X as our 4 C’s.

    JP looks more comfortable. IF Yammy is ready, we have are closer to 3 Quality Lines.

  99. thehop says:

    JimmyV1965,

    It seems pretty simple to me and most people here Jimmy.

    The Oilers needed that game. So you put your best players out, as often as you can, in every situation and tell them to get after it.

    Last night it worked…. Thank fuck

  100. thehop says:

    jtblack,

    Agreed!

    I was shocked at how well he played the position. Could be a gem when used in the right way. He played a great game last night.

  101. Jaxon says:

    I hope they claim Paajarvi.

  102. thehop says:

    Jaxon,

    God yes.

    If only so I can wear my jersey again without shame.

    He could help the PK and be a good winger up and down the lineup

  103. Jaxon says:

    thehop,

    Yup. He’s fast, he shoots a lot, he’s good on the PK, and he has a similar background to Puljujarvi (both born in Sweden with Finish backgrounds) so he could further help with his transition since I was shocked to hear recently that the Oilers just this year finally got him an English teacher (WTF?!?!).

  104. OriginalPouzar says:

    jtblack: I think the main thiing is IF the coach will LEAVE him at 3C.Strome has stated he prefers C.Leave him there. Come baack next year with McD, Drai, Strome , X as our 4 C’s.

    JP looks more comfortable. IF Yammy is ready, we have are closer to 3 Quality Lines.

    I would think that, if Stome plays well consistently at the position and the third line can be a positive contributor most nights, he’ll get to keep playing center.

    The Nuge injury somewhat forces it for the next 4 weeks or so (in particular of Letestu is going to be in and out of the lineup and, eventually, traded at the deadline).

  105. OriginalPouzar says:

    thehop:
    JimmyV1965,

    It seems pretty simple to me and most people here Jimmy.

    The Oilers needed that game. So you put your best players out, as often as you can, in every situation and tell them to get after it.

    Last night it worked…. Thank fuck

    I’m just fine with using the best players on the PK – no, I don’t want 97 and 29 killing 3 minutes/game but I’m fine with them getting a minute or so of PK time a game (depending on how many PIMs we take).

    Drai isn’t a very good PKer, yet, but McDavid is a fairly decent killer and he’s dangerous out there.

    I don’t think the coach can be afraid of putting the player on the ice for fear of him getting hurt. Yes, you need to get in to shooting lanes, etc. on the PK but players need to get in to shooting lanes in all defensive situations. I don’t think forwards generally get hurt on the PK any more than at evens – from the eye test.

    Also, with Nuge out, Letestu and Pak being healthy scratches and Kassian not available for most of the game, coach didn’t have much of a choice.

    For god sakes we had Strome and Caggulia as a PK pairing at one point – Strome had killed 3.5 minutes all year and Drake is our worst forward PKer by the numbers.

    With that said, Strome played over 3 minutes on the PK last night – it will be nice to see if that’s an option down the road.

  106. Frank the dog says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    If you can find a piece of screen to touch that is not covered by the ad it also goes away.

  107. flea says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    I might be wrong OP, but I think Strome can agree to a lesser contract with the Oilers prior to his QO, It might be in his interest as a player if he is enjoying playing in Edmonton and wants to stay.

    If the Oilers walk on him as a RFA, he goes UFA and likely taking less than $3M anywhere he goes.

  108. Nix says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    OriginalPouzar:
    I’m going to give a little shout out to Ryan Strome here.

    Player for player, we will never be able to say we got value in the trade but Strome is an Oiler and I’m going to analyze him without regard to the trade.

    Strome had a pretty middling first couple of month as an Oiler but, to my eye, he’s really played quite a bit better over the last 3-4 weeks and I dare say one of the more consistent Oilers over that stretch. I believe that coincidences with him switching to center.

    While he’s not a dynamic offensive player, he does make good plays in the offensive zone and is a good passer with a very good shot when he gets it off. He plays a reasonable 200 foot game and is not bad on the boards.

    Last night was his best game as an Oilers – played over 22 minutes including about 3 and a half on the PK (which pretty much matched his season output prior to last night). He had two assists and scored the OT winner which was disallowed while going around 60% in the faceoff circle.

    The game he brought last night is worth $3M/season if he can bring it every night and he’s been pretty darn consistent over the last 3 weeks.

    I’m looking forward to seeing if he can be consistent for the rest of the year – one of the “storylines” I’m tuning in to.

    There is a player there – the main issue is the required $3M QO – we need value contracts in the bottom 6 but if he can play like that at evens and become a good penalty killer, $3M isn’t a bad deal.

    Come on Ryan, show some consistency, I’m rooting for you.

    I remember well when Drake and the Montreal midget were our 3C’s last year and how everyone would pine for a halfway decent right hander in that spot. Over the early summer names like Strome and Lazar were bandied around. Cost aside, I think we actually have something there with a role for him to grow into as Ryan is still young. I’ll take him over Descharnais 99 times out of 10.

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