A real straight shooter

One of the great things about tracking prospects this season is the increased statistical coverage. We’re still hundreds of thousands of years from tracking CHL time on ice (how would you do that, anyway?) but the shots totals are now available across most of the prospect landscape. It’s more than we had a year ago (at least in the WHL) and gives us an extra view of these young players.

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OILERS FORWARDS, 5X5 PER 60 2017-18

  1. Jesse Puljujarvi 11.5
  2. Kailer Yamamoto 11.02
  3. Connor McDavid 8.9
  4. Patrick Maroon 8.61
  5. Mike Cammalleri 8.22
  6. Anton Slepyshev 8.00
  7. Zack Kassian 7.17
  8. Leon Draisaitl 7.01
  9. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 6.82
  10. Drake Caggiula. 6.65
  11. Ryan Strome 6.61
  12. Milan Lucic 6.31
  13. Jujhar Khaira 6.10
  14. Mark Letestu 4.74
  15. Iiro Pakarinen 4.74
  16. Source

CHL SHOTS, 2017-18

  1. Cameron Hebig 238 in 48 (4.96)
  2. Tyler Benson 141 in 36 (3.92)
  3. Kirill Maksimov 158 in 41 (3.85)
  4. Ostap Safin 157 in 42 (3.74)
  5. Kailer Yamamoto 55 in 21 (2.62)

Yamamoto had a strong shot total per 60 in his nine NHL games but his WHL number this year is low. As we have nothing to compare (WHL didn’t have shot totals a year ago), this is us. What’s more, despite a strong surge offensively in January, his shot rate per game remains well below the others:

  • Yamamoto through end of December: 32 in 13 (2.46)
  • Yamamoto in January: 23 in 8 (2.88)

We’re still finding out about Kailer Yamamoto and what he can do, it’ll be interesting to see what kind of player he becomes at the NHL level. He’s far from a volume shooter based on what we know at this time.

Other Forward Prospects in the System

  1. Aidan Muir 58 in 19 (3.05) (NCAA)
  2. Ty Rattie 118 in 42 (2.81) (AHL)
  3. Tyler Vesel 67 in 26 (2.58) (NCAA)
  4. Joey Laleggia 86 in 42 (2.05) (AHL)
  5. Graham McPhee 48 in 26 (1.85) (NCAA)
  6. Patrick Russell 75 in 42 (1.79) (AHL)
  7. Aapeli Rasanen 32 in 21 (1.52) (NCAA)
  8. Joe Gambardella 25 in 25 (1.00) (AHL)

We’re looking across leagues here and ages, but it’s an interesting group all the same. I don’t think it’s too severe to suggest Ty Rattie is the most offensively capable forward on this list. It’s also true that a man like Graham McPhee is not yet 20 and he has 11 goals in the NCAA so far this year.

Who are the candidates for Connor McDavid’s shooter? There is only one. Jesse Puljujarvi. That’s a fact.

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  • Alex Thomas, The Oilers Rig. The Super Bowl plus Edmonton in the second half. I talked to Alex on the weekend and he’s hearing Maroon rumors in Boston.
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  1. Wilde says:

    I have a completely-unsubstantiated theory, which is the best kind, that you might find consistent trends of prolific junior scorers cranking up their shooting rates as they hit the NHL, where shooting is more encouraged by coaches and by the lack of time and space to pass it into the net.

  2. OriginalPouzar says:

    I expected to see Maksimov’s shot totals a bit higher than that – it seems like he has lots of game with 5 plus shots – maybe I’m making that up though.

  3. Jethro Tull says:

    A couple of thoughts on BellLetsTalk:

    Please, talk to someone, even if you think there’s nothing wrong. It can be about anything, any topic. Anywhere, in the pub over a pint, on a walk, in the car, but sit and talk to someone who will give you their undivided attention.

    I have dealt with mental health issues directly for most of my life. Not myself, but it has undoubtedly had an impact on me. But as an old soldier, I soldier on.

    The last 18 months have been a doozy. Almost lost a direct family member that lives in the same house i do. Twice. Ever seen the lock down ward at the Royal Alex? Amazing view of Roger’s Place. Please talk. You are not alone. Ever.

    Last week, a young man who was a hunting buddy lost his brave battle with depression. Please talk. You are not alone. Ever.

    PS: I wish Bell would take the corporate thing out of this. Just call it Let’s Talk. Just pony up the dough, Bell and maybe put a little sticker on it, but stop making me think it’s anything other than a marketing scheme. The best philanthropists are virtually anonymous.

    So moral of the story? Please talk. You are not alone. Ever.

  4. OriginalPouzar says:

    At the NHL level, I would like to see Strome shoot a bit more.

    I remember the preseason verbal on Strome, that his shot totals had decreased since his first couple of seasons and the coaching staff was going to look for him to get back to his earlier totals.

    This hasn’t happened. Hopefully he can start shooting a bit more with a long look at the center ice position (and potentially some of it at 2C as McLellan will go back to Drai at 1RW periodically).

  5. OriginalPouzar says:

    Both Tyler Vessel and Graham McPhee are super hot right now.

    Miles to go with McPhee but will be see Vessel signed and on the Condors next season?

  6. OriginalPouzar says:

    Joe G. has had a disappointing year to me – I expected him, as a more mature player, to have a strong start in the AHL, a strong 2-way game, and maybe even push for an NHL cup of coffee.

    The offence hasn’t come and it boggles me that some have him penciled in at 4C next year. I think its pretty clear he needs at least another season in the AHL and he needs to twist his arrows up next season if he is going to have a shot at an NHL career.

  7. Wilde says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    It’s strange that Strome ever shot more than he does now, because he seems to be one of the more hard-wired passers I’ve seen play.

    Those two open looks where his hips were *more* than squared away from the net, feels like it tells you where that guy is, mentally, during offensive zone plays.

    Which is why I’d like to see him at 4C for 2M if possible. We’re pretty well set on playmakers in our top 9. Only a 1/2m upgrade on Letestu, but I feel like he could be an outscorer there with Kassian and a league min. guy.

    *Of course this isn’t ideal if Todd only plays the unit 8 mins a night*

  8. OriginalPouzar says:

    Wilde:
    OriginalPouzar,

    It’s strange that Strome ever shot more than he does now, because he seems to be one of the more hard-wired passers I’ve seen play.

    Those two open looks where his hips were *more* than squared away from the net, feels like it tells you where that guy is, mentally, during offensive zone plays.

    Which is why I’d like to see him at 4C for 2M if possible. We’re pretty well set on playmakers in our top 9. Only a 1/2m upgrade on Letestu, but I feel like he could be an outscorer there with Kassian and a league min. guy.

    *Of course this isn’t ideal if Todd only plays the unit 8 mins a night*

    I think I remember reading that he was in the 9.0 range for shots/60 in his best offensive season but had declined, year over year, since then.

    I personally like Strome at 3C and Jujhar and his $675K cap hit at 4C with Nuge and Drai both in the top 6.

    Strome and JJ can flip back and forth depending on who is playing better and chemistry with linemates.

    Of course, this is subject to Strome continuing to play well at center through the end of the season and, of course, his new contract and figuring out that damn QO issue.

  9. OriginalPouzar says:

    I know that many people are so frustrated/disappointed/etc. that they’ve stopped watching or are barely watching but, for me, even in a lost season, battles like the one above (battle for the potential 3C and 4C spot next season) will always keep me watching each and every game. Even if they are losing, I want to see for myself how guys like Strome and Khaira look at various spots in the lineup.

  10. frjohnk says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I know that many people are so frustrated/disappointed/etc. that they’ve stopped watching or are barely watching but, for me, even in a lost season, battles like the one above (battle for the potential 3C and 4C spot next season) will always keep me watching each and every game.Even if they are losing, I want to see for myself how guys like Strome and Khaira look at various spots in the lineup.

    I watch because McDavid.

    One day he wont be an Oiler.

    And many will wish they would have watched him more.

  11. VOR says:

    Jethro Tull:
    A couple of thoughts on BellLetsTalk:

    Please, talk to someone, even if you think there’s nothing wrong.It can be about anything, any topic.Anywhere, in the pub over a pint, on a walk, in the car, but sit and talk to someone who will give you their undivided attention.

    I have dealt with mental health issues directly for most of my life.Not myself, but it has undoubtedly had an impact on me.But as an old soldier, I soldier on.

    The last 18 months have been a doozy.Almost lost a direct family member that lives in the same house i do.Twice.Ever seen the lock down ward at the Royal Alex?Amazing view of Roger’s Place.Please talk.You are not alone.Ever.

    Last week, a young man who was a hunting buddy lost his brave battle with depression.Please talk.You are not alone.Ever.

    PS:I wish Bell would take the corporate thing out of this.Just call it Let’s Talk.Just pony up the dough, Bell and maybe put a little sticker on it, but stop making me think it’s anything other than a marketing scheme.The best philanthropists are virtually anonymous.

    So moral of the story?Please talk.You are not alone.Ever.

    Thank you for sharing your story.

    I come from a family with a stunningly high incidence of serious manic depression. I am the one my family calls. I get it can be hell. Stick in there and make sure you look after yourself.

    Re: the importance of talking about mental health. I come from a large family and I am the “baby” though now in my sixties. Two years ago at Christmas I and my siblings were all in one room for the first time in several years. For some reason we got started talking about list making. Turns out at one time or another we have all been clinically diagnosed with OCD. I had no idea. I thought it was just me.

    But it turns out, like manic-depression OCD runs through the generations. Among us we have 20 children, 41 grand children and 11 great grand children. 12 of our children have OCD and 23 of the grandchildren. And as I said all of our generation. And never once had we talked about it.

    Now, just as we do for manic depression we are monitoring the great grand kids for signs of OCD. We are trying not to be OCD about it.

  12. Pescador says:

    Wilde:
    I have a completely-unsubstantiated theory, which is the best kind, that you might find consistent trends of prolific junior scorers cranking up their shooting rates as they hit the NHL, where shooting is more encouraged by coaches and by the lack of time and space to pass it into the net.

    NHL players are too big & check too hard. Your theory might hold water except for the lack of time or space to make plays. Back pressure & defensive systems are ruining the NHL imo, yes I’m sure we were all so tired of those beautiful tic tac toe goals & Dennis Savard type rushes.

  13. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Jethro Tull,

    – I agree with what you are saying

    – I do not agree though with Bell clearly taking a serious subject and profiting from it.

    – Ma Bell, is not a health care copmany. On some level it may have good intentions, but its a for profit monopoly. To link themselves with a serious mental health issue in a way that appears innocuous, but is clearly self-serving, is uncomfortable capitalism from my perspective.

    – Give money to a charity, create a foundation. But don’t spend advertising dollars to improve your image, and pretend it’s soley a noble cause: make it clear that this is paid advertisement

    – It’s like the Crown Corporation, CBC telling me in sappy commercials that Hockey Night in Canada is the most Canadian thing: and its patriotic, and watching CBC Hockey on Saturday is all you need to know about being a Canadian. It’s Hockey, and your making money, your not doing god’s work, or anything noble.

  14. Wilde says:

    OriginalPouzar: I think I remember reading that he was in the 9.0 range for shots/60 in his best offensive season but had declined, year over year, since then.

    I personally like Strome at 3C and Jujhar and his $675K cap hit at 4C with Nuge and Drai both in the top 6.

    Strome and JJ can flip back and forth depending on who is playing better and chemistry with linemates.

    Of course, this is subject to Strome continuing to play well at center through the end of the season and, of course, his new contract and figuring out that damn QO issue.

    Why do you like Drai in the top 6 next year?

    The only plausible reason to have him there, even now, is ostensibly because there’s not enough wingers for a full top 9, but that *hopefully* won’t be the case next year as they should learn from their mistakes and sign some cover.

    In my mind if you’re running the 3 centres in the top 6, you could just as easily trade Nuge for a high value ELC player and then sign James Neal and just go like this:

    xxxx-McDavid-Puljujarvi
    Lucic-Drai-Neal

    As opposed to this:

    xxxx-Mcdavid-Puljujarvi
    Lucic-Nuge-Drai

    Where in the first scenario you have a no weaker top 6, but you also have the asset value from trading Nuge.

  15. Oilman99 says:

    Wilde: Why do you like Drai in the top 6 next year?

    The only plausible reason to have him there, even now, is ostensibly because there’s not enough wingers for a full top 9, but that *hopefully* won’t be the case next year as they should learn from their mistakes and sign some cover.

    In my mind if you’re running the 3 centres in the top 6, you could just as easily trade Nuge for a high value ELC player and then sign James Neal and just go like this:

    xxxx-McDavid-Puljujarvi
    Lucic-Drai-Neal

    As opposed to this:

    xxxx-Mcdavid-Puljujarvi
    Lucic-Nuge-Drai

    Where in the first scenario you have a no weaker top 6, but you also have the asset value from trading Nuge.

    James Neal will be 32 next year,not sure he is a smart sign,as he will be on the decline just like Lucic.

  16. OriginalPouzar says:

    Wilde: Why do you like Drai in the top 6 next year?

    The only plausible reason to have him there, even now, is ostensibly because there’s not enough wingers for a full top 9, but that *hopefully* won’t be the case next year as they should learn from their mistakes and sign some cover.

    In my mind if you’re running the 3 centres in the top 6, you could just as easily trade Nuge for a high value ELC player and then sign James Neal and just go like this:

    xxxx-McDavid-Puljujarvi
    Lucic-Drai-Neal

    As opposed to this:

    xxxx-Mcdavid-Puljujarvi
    Lucic-Nuge-Drai

    Where in the first scenario you have a no weaker top 6, but you also have the asset value from trading Nuge.

    You somewhat nailed the reason – we likely have a hole in the top 6 winger position next year and, if Strome can fill the 3C role (or Strome and JJ), then we have the ability to fill that top 6 winger hole internally by playing each of Nuge and Drai in the top 6.

    Don’t get me wrong, I very much think that Drai is capable of centering his own line and driving that line – in fact, his even strength numbers this year (in a season where he looks to be not playing his best and he’s played with a revolving door of tweener/middling winger) somewhat proves it. He is going to be an absolute beast over the term of his contract.

    With that said, he have that hole in the top 6 until one or two of our forward prospects prove ready and my scenario fills that hole internally. I’m not saying its a long term solution but a stop-gap until we are able to fill the top 6 winger spot with a natural top 6 wingers (be it Yamamoto, Benson, Maksimov, etc.).

    Of course, we could fill that spot externally via trade and/or signing, however, I’d rather focus on plugging the hole on the right side of our defence and save any material cap for that spot. I see various prospects potentially being able to fill the top 6 winger spot in the next few years and no current prospects able to fill the right side defence spot in the short term (Bear and Mantha potentially but I would think they would see 3rd pairing/PP time prior to graduating up the lineup and their appearance in the NHL is a year plus away, at best).

    You scenario (trading Nuge for an ELC player and signing Neal) does have merit and can be considered – I see greater risk though as it depletes our center depth and we need to keep the center depth if at all possible – we are seeing right now what happens with one injury to a center – and we will be without Letestu next year). Not to mention, James Neal is on the wrong side of 30 (but your scenario could work with a younger UFA – albeit likely more expensive).

  17. Oilman99 says:

    Wilde: Why do you like Drai in the top 6 next year?

    The only plausible reason to have him there, even now, is ostensibly because there’s not enough wingers for a full top 9, but that *hopefully* won’t be the case next year as they should learn from their mistakes and sign some cover.

    In my mind if you’re running the 3 centres in the top 6, you could just as easily trade Nuge for a high value ELC player and then sign James Neal and just go like this:

    xxxx-McDavid-Puljujarvi
    Lucic-Drai-Neal

    As opposed to this:

    xxxx-Mcdavid-Puljujarvi
    Lucic-Nuge-Drai

    Where in the first scenario you have a no weaker top 6, but you also have the asset value from trading Nuge.

    James Neal will be 32 next year,not sure he is a smart sign,as he will be on the decline just like Lucic. Having Drai as a plug and play with Connor, and keeping Nuge makes more sense.

  18. OriginalPouzar says:

    If management is going to make a medium-long term commitment to a material player (either by sign or trade), my preference is a right shot D for the top 2 pairs.

    We need a winger, yes, however I think that is way more easily filled internally over the next few years and I don’t think spending material cap space on an acquisition makes sense given our hole on defence and our cap structure.

  19. jtblack says:

    If you subscribe to Rob Vollman’s scouting theory, AGE matters. Yamamoto is a late birthday; hence in his draft year he had played 3 WHL seasons.

    In his 2nd WHL season he had 19 Goals. 71 pts in 57 games.

    I don’t see a bigtime scorer in Yammy. A solid point producer with speed, but I dont see a 30 Goal winger. Just MO.

  20. jtblack says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    If management is going to make a medium-long term commitment to a material player (either by sign or trade), my preference is a right shot D for the top 2 pairs.

    We need a winger, yes, however I think that is way more easily filled internally over the next few years and I don’t think spending material cap space on an acquisition makes sense given our hole on defence and our cap structure.

    what is Non Material Cap space?

    I do agree with your statement …

  21. Oilman99 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    If management is going to make a medium-long term commitment to a material player (either by sign or trade), my preference is a right shot D for the top 2 pairs.

    We need a winger, yes, however I think that is way more easily filled internally over the next few years and I don’t think spending material cap space on an acquisition makes sense given our hole on defence and our cap structure.

    A right shot winger who can score is of the utmost importance, the r d man is developing in the system.

  22. Oilman99 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Joe G. has had a disappointing year to me – I expected him, as a more mature player, to have a strong start in the AHL, a strong 2-way game, and maybe even push for an NHL cup of coffee.

    The offence hasn’t come and it boggles me that some have him penciled in at 4C next year. I think its pretty clear he needs at least another season in the AHL and he needs to twist his arrows up next season if he is going to have a shot at an NHL career.

    Gambrella’s age says he may not be more than an AHLef.

  23. anjinsan says:

    Regarding Chiarelli being more determined than ever to get things right:
    1) What he considers right is wrong.
    2) He wasn’t hired to be learning basic GM competence on the job.
    3) He came on the job not having learned from his past mistakes and has repeated them.

    Regarding Slepyshev:
    His 5×5 number looks good and he hasn’t had that number inflated riding shotgun on McDavid’s line.

  24. John Chambers says:

    The best, or most plausible move for the Oilers cap structure is to trade Sekera.

    From there we can afford to keep or add a winger without trading Nuge or Klef.

  25. frjohnk says:

    jtblack: what is Non Material Cap space?

    That was part of the Strome trade.

  26. Gayfish says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    If management is going to make a medium-long term commitment to a material player (either by sign or trade), my preference is a right shot D for the top 2 pairs.

    We need a winger, yes, however I think that is way more easily filled internally over the next few years and I don’t think spending material cap space on an acquisition makes sense given our hole on defence and our cap structure.

    You say this a lot, but if your cap structure forces you to be unbalanced to the point that you have the worst winger group in the league, you have to change your cap structure.

  27. russ99 says:

    anjinsan:
    Regarding Chiarelli being more determined than ever to get things right:
    1)What he considers right is wrong.
    2)He wasn’t hired to be learning basic GM competence on the job.
    3)He came on the job not having learned from his past mistakes and has repeated them.

    Regarding Slepyshev:
    His 5×5 number looks good and he hasn’t had that number inflated riding shotgun on McDavid’s line.

    Kind of funny, since he’s had success. Maybe not with the trades you like, but a cup ring is a cup ring.

  28. russ99 says:

    John Chambers:
    The best, or most plausible move for the Oilers cap structure is to trade Sekera.

    From there we can afford to keep or add a winger without trading Nuge or Klef.

    Yeah but that’s sketchy at this point. Reportedly he’s tired of moving around from team to team and that’s his reasoning for an NMC, so getting him to waive it is questionable.

    Plus it would be a bit sordid asking a guy to waive when not recovered from injury, sends a bad signal to potential UFAs we want to sign.

    Would be best to wait a summer and then Sekera and Russell are tradable without potential baggage.

    I’m against trading Klef, as it would suck to see him blossom when we gave up on him too early.

    Nuge is a different story, he pretty much is what he is at this point, and while we’d all prefer to keep him, not sure 3 centers at that much cap value is a luxury we can afford with many holes to fix at wing and RD. Plus we can replace his defensive game with someone more physical and with good PK/faceoff acumen at roughly under half the price.

  29. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – The McD, Drai, RNH, Strome, JJ really is an interesting excercise in roster-optimization going forward

    – Is McD-Drai-RNH the best, with less being spent on wingers, or do you get a lesser 3C and spend the savings on “better” wingers

    – When they traded for Strome, it was for an eventual $3MM C and $3MM for other wingers

    – But Strome as your 4C @ $3MM, and RNH as 3C @ $6MM: I really don’t know what is optimal

  30. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Oilman99: James Neal will be 32 next year,not sure he is a smart sign,as he will be on the decline just like Lucic. Having Drai as a plug and play with Connor, and keeping Nuge makes more sense.

    This. And probably costs less as well.

  31. Wilde says:

    OriginalPouzar:

    You scenario (trading Nuge for an ELC player and signing Neal) does have merit and can be considered – I see greater risk though as it depletes our center depth and we need to keep the center depth if at all possible – we are seeing right now what happens with one injury to a center – and we will be without Letestu next year).Not to mention, James Neal is on the wrong side of 30 (but your scenario could work with a younger UFA – albeit likely more expensive).

    Well, everyone reading my posts knows how I feel about our top 6 RW position next year.

    Here’s the thing: the centre depth is not a strength unless they’re playing centre.

    If you want to keep the centres to preserve centre depth, that goes out the window if you’re not playing them at centre. It is an ‘internal solution’ that is far from the best possibility, because of Nuge’s current value you can get back a premium ELC asset and sign a comparable scorer for the 6m. You essentially turn one impact asset into two.

    In my head, I wrote ‘James Neal or comparable’… I would be more shooting for a 27-28 year old UFA or an offer sheet on Ryan Spooner, something like that.

    As an aside, we have 300 minutes of 5v5 evidence of Ryan Strome without 97, 29, 93:

    (5v5 score, venue adj)

    CF: 52.01%
    FF: 52.31%
    SC: 51.88%
    hdcf: 44.70%
    GF:53.15%

    The high danger chances are bad, but the actual number are 32 to 40, so you can see that that’s a low event sample to draw conclusions from, compared to the 268 to 247 CF.

    The problem with projecting these numbers and having the C depth as 97-93-18-16, is that the best share of these minutes, the share that drives them above 50%, is minutes with Strome and Khaira together. 16+18 is the combination that wins minutes away from the big centres. Strome is below 50% in everything without those minutes.

  32. Offside says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    I was always uncomfortable with that CBC commercial. Personally, I think its insulting to Canadians. If a famous American ever said that the most important thing to us is hockey, I suspect it would not go over well

  33. Wilde says:

    All talk about RHD hunting starts with trading a LHD. You want to talk about spending too much money somewhere? Say we sign Nurse at 5m, and Benning at 1.5.

    That makes our D corps cost 26M before your new RH guy, say he costs 4M.

    That’s a 30 million dollar D corps. The only other team that’s even close is WPG at 29, and they have numerous forwards on ELC’s or steals: Laine, Ehlers, Connor, Lowry, Roslovic, Dano.

  34. OriginalPouzar says:

    jtblack: what is Non Material Cap space?

    I do agree with your statement …

    Well, what is “material” depends on a number of factors but I’m talking about making medium-long term commitment (3 plus years) to a player with a “material” cap hit, likely $4M plus.

    For example, the signing of a Grabner, Neal, etc. would very likely qualify and, while I would love one of those players here, I don’t think a commitment to them makes sense (given the potential to fill the spots internally on ELC contracts over the next year or so) and I would rather make that commitment to an established 1/2 RD.

    I don’t see the cap space to fill both the the top 6 winger hole and the 1/2RD hole this year and I choose the 1/2RD hole.

  35. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oilman99: A right shot winger who can score is of the utmost importance, the r d man is developing in the system.

    My opinion (and its just my opinion) is the exact opposite.

    May I ask who this right d-man is and when you think he’ll arrive in a top 4 role?

    A 1/2RD is of utmost importance as I don’t see one being developed internally and ready over the next year or two. Yes, we have Ethan Bear but he is no sure thing to make the NHL (although arrows up). While I think he will make it, I think its at least another year plus away and, even then, he will not be ready for the 1/2RD role. He may top out as a 3RD and PP guy. There is Mantha as well but he is more of a distant bell. Lagesson, Berglund and Samorukov are even further away and they all shoot left.

    I see many potential prospects to fill a top 6 winger role in the next few years – No, not all these guys will make it, but they all have decent shots – Yamamoto, Benson, Maksimov, Safin.

    Its easier for a young winger to break in to the NHL and have an impact in the top 6 than a d-man to break in and have an impact in the top 2 pairings.

    This coming draft is a wild card – three top end wingers to get drafted in the top 5 and then a number of right shot d-men.

    I would, again, posit the wingers are, for the most part, more NHL ready (impact ready) than the d-men but that is not necessarily the case.

  36. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oilman99: Gambrella’s age says he may not be more than an AHLef.

    Agreed! As I said, I expected more of him in the AHL this year given his age and “maturity”.

  37. Jethro Tull says:

    Nix,

    thehop,

    I think the issue brought up by Nix with Dusty’s post stretches the narrative a little and more than a little unfair.

    Anyways, #BellLetsTalk day was in the post and thus relevant to this thread, so in the interest of world LT peace, can we stick to that today?

    So, Fisher “Un-Retiring”? Thoughts?

    And thank goodness we don’t have Melnyk as an owner…….Didn’t realise how much Brian Murray kept him insulated from the rest of the league, Brian’s a hero.

    Has a self-imposed cap, hand-cuffs any GM and says the team would look good elsewhere and the market needs to prove itself.

    Then this morning says it was unfortunate his remarks were taken the wrong way. Classic narcissistic fat cat comment – akin to you know who south of the border. No apology, or indeed any realisation of wrong doing on his part, you were all wrong instead. Lordy.

  38. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lines at practice today:

    Cammalleri-McDavid-Draisaitl
    Lucic-Khaira-Puljujarvi
    Maroon-Strome-Caggiula
    Slepyshev-Letestu-Pakarinen

    Talbot and Kass are not practicing. Personal reasons for Zack and Talbot is sick

  39. Scungilli Slushy says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Joe G. has had a disappointing year to me – I expected him, as a more mature player, to have a strong start in the AHL, a strong 2-way game, and maybe even push for an NHL cup of coffee.

    The offence hasn’t come and it boggles me that some have him penciled in at 4C next year. I think its pretty clear he needs at least another season in the AHL and he needs to twist his arrows up next season if he is going to have a shot at an NHL career.

    It depends on what the team needs. Joe was hurt and that could be affecting things as it does. His rep was as a hard working hard forechecking player.

    The Oilers need bottom 6 players more than anything. Yes we wish for a scoring winger, but that may not happen.

    IF Gambardella can bring 25 pts, PK and survive 5v5 that’s all he has to do IMO. Letestu is a fine gentlemen but the Oilers need fresher legs and more consistent play.

    Last season was Letestu’s revival from declining play, I wouldn’t bet on it again, at least for the Oilers. And they’ll overpay him for sure.

    Cheap players that can do enough to help and provide some offense is the greatest need at forward. We envy teams that grow these players. A shooter would be nice but there are already 4 x 6M + forwards on the team. Would you trade Nuge and retain some $ for Hoffman? I wouldn’t.

    JG should be in the convo for 4C based on his second half and next camp, that’s why they signed him after a strong college career. Unless he is too slow for the NHL, that I don’t know.

  40. OriginalPouzar says:

    John Chambers:
    The best, or most plausible move for the Oilers cap structure is to trade Sekera.

    From there we can afford to keep or add a winger without trading Nuge or Klef.

    Switch Sekera for Russell and you are on to something.

    With that said, I think Sekera is more likely to waive his NMC than Russell is and Sekera would fetch a real return whereas Russell would be a cap dump.

  41. ArmchairGM says:

    Apropos of nothing (ok, the thought was sparked by the Willis article linked above) I have linked a thread from CapFriendly I thought would be interesting: would you trade Klefbom for Ristolainen straight up? Who wins that deal?

    https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/108565

  42. Wilde says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Lines at practice today:

    Cammalleri-McDavid-Draisaitl
    Lucic-Khaira-Puljujarvi
    Maroon-Strome-Caggiula
    Slepyshev-Letestu-Pakarinen

    Talbot and Kass are not practicing.Personal reasons for Zack and Talbot is sick

    Jesus Christ LOL

    If this is the lines for the game as well, that’s absolutely indefensible.

  43. Scungilli Slushy says:

    OriginalPouzar: Switch Sekera for Russell and you are on to something.

    With that said, I think Sekera is more likely to waive his NMC than Russell is and Sekera would fetch a real return whereas Russell would be a cap dump.

    His short season and current struggles might take the shine off until he can show he can play like he used to.

  44. JD_Wry says:

    Jethro Tull: So, Fisher “Un-Retiring”? Thoughts?

    I would say that he’s cra… erm… uh… foolish?

  45. OriginalPouzar says:

    Gayfish: You say this a lot, but if your cap structure forces you to be unbalanced to the point that you have the worst winger group in the league, you have to change your cap structure.

    The cap structure is what is is until certain contracts come off the books (Lucic, Russell, etc.).

    As I’ve said a couple dozen times, I’m not looking to have shit wingers long term but I see many more internal options for the top 6 wingers over the next couple of years than I see for the 1/2RD. I’m patient and I’m willing to wait for them to arrive.

    I believe, going forward, we can have wingers on their ELCs that are outperforming their contracts in the top 6. I don’t see this as a possibility on defensc.

    I’d like to get an established top 6 winger and an established 1/2RD but I can’t imagine that happening without trading Nuge or Klefbom in a trade that, once again, bleeds value in order to open up cap space.

    I would not trade Nuge to open up cap space for a top 6 winger – I’d rather keep the center and even play him on the wing.

    I see Klef and Nurse as our 1/2LD for the next decade and I’m remiss to move Klefbom because of Russell (and Sekera). I’m a patient man and I’m willing to wait to plug the top 6 hole for another year or so and I’m willing to ride out that Russell contract and not move Klef (at less than 100 cents on the dollar) because of it.

  46. OriginalPouzar says:

    Wilde,

    I don’t agree that having center depth is meaningless if they aren’t playing center.

    It creates versatility as well as injury cover.

    If we let Strome go and then one of the top 3 centers gets hurt (which they will), we have, what, Khaira as 3C and an AHL call-up at 4C.

  47. OriginalPouzar says:

    Scungilli Slushy: His short season and current struggles might take the shine off until he can show he can play like he used to.

    I think its a good bet to think that he’ll regain his form next season.

    It was widely accepted that he would be a shadow of his normal self upon his return this year and that we’d have to wait until next season for the true Sekera to show up.

    This is coming to fruition but a large section of the fan-base have soured on Sekera because of it.

    We know how valuable he is and I look forward to that player in our lineup in October.

  48. Wilde says:

    ArmchairGM:
    Apropos of nothing (ok, the thought was sparked by the Willis article linked above) I have linked a thread from CapFriendly I thought would be interesting: would you trade Klefbom for Ristolainen straight up? Who wins that deal?

    https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/108565

    Buffalo wins that deal easily. The Sabres have been worse with Risto on the ice than they are without him, for Risto’s entire career.

    Risto’s CFRel in each season

    -1.16
    -0.90
    -3.70
    -5.51
    -1.25

    Risto’s GFrel in each season

    1.74
    -7.21
    -4.08
    1.51
    -0.56

    Also he doesn’t have a single better season than Klef as an ES producer, except this half of one.

  49. Wilde says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Wilde,

    I don’t agree that having center depth is meaningless if they aren’t playing center.

    It creates versatility as well as injury cover.

    If we let Strome go and then one of the top 3 centers gets hurt (which they will), we have, what, Khaira as 3C and an AHL call-up at 4C.

    I’m saying it’s meaningless in the normal situation. Yes it provides injury cover, but at what cost? You hurt your teams value when healthy in order to strengthen it when injured? Most of the time the centres will be healthy. That is the time the lineup should be optimised for.

    If you trade a centre you have a better lineup when healthy, than a healthy lineup with the centres stacked, but you have a worse lineup when not healthy. I’d rather have a stronger roster when everyones healthy. If an impact player gets injured for an amount of time that you have more games in the season where they’re injured then they’re not, then you’re likely dealing with a massive problem that can’t be dealt with by mere preparation

  50. OriginalPouzar says:

    Mike Fisher is coming out of retirement. He was on the ice for practice with the Preds today but doesn’t have a contract yet but that will be worked out in the next few weeks.

    I thought there were some logistics to coming out of retirement – I thought all the other teams had to consent to it or else the player would have to go through waivers.

    Am I making that up?

  51. Lowetide says:

    There’s a reason we don’t talk race on this board, please and thanks

  52. Brantford Boy says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Lines at practice today:

    Cammalleri-McDavid-Draisaitl
    Lucic-Khaira-Puljujarvi
    Maroon-Strome-Caggiula
    Slepyshev-Letestu-Pakarinen

    Talbot and Kass are not practicing.Personal reasons for Zack and Talbot is sick

    I just regurgitated some stomach acid…

  53. OriginalPouzar says:

    Wilde: I’m saying it’s meaningless in the normal situation. Yes it provides injury cover, but at what cost? You hurt your teams value when healthy in order to strengthen it when injured? Most of the time the centres will be healthy. That is the time the lineup should be optimised for.

    If you trade a centre you have a better lineup when healthy, than a healthy lineup with the centres stacked, but you have a worse lineup when not healthy. I’d rather have a stronger roster when everyones healthy. If an impact player gets injured for an amount of time that you have more games in the season where they’re injured then they’re not, then you’re likely dealing with a massive problem that can’t be dealt with by mere preparation

    I don’t agree in the first instance. There are many centers that are just as good on the wing but its much tougher the other way around.

    I don’t necessarily agree that playing a natural center on the wing weakens the lineup – not when the team has the center depth to allow for it.

  54. JD_Wry says:

    OriginalPouzar: I thought all the other teams had to consent to it or else the player would have to go through waivers.

    I think you’re referring to the verbal around the league when Kovalchuck was going to come back to the NHL. He retired with a lot of years left on an albatross contract, if I recall. Not sure about Fisher’s contract status when he retired.

    I’ve read that the Preds reached out to him to come back. Maybe they’re thinking he can get a Cup ring if he returns?

  55. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    I think that just applies to the Kovalchuk situation.

  56. Spooky Lynx says:

    Imagine using mental health awareness as a soapbox for your political/economic views. My word.

  57. Scungilli Slushy says:

    OriginalPouzar: I think its a good bet to think that he’ll regain his form next season.

    It was widely accepted that he would be a shadow of his normal self upon his return this year and that we’d have to wait until next season for the true Sekera to show up.

    This is coming to fruition but a large section of the fan-base have soured on Sekera because of it.

    We know how valuable he is and I look forward to that player in our lineup in October.

    I think he’s great but the trade idea would happen this coming summer, no?

  58. Scungilli Slushy says:

    OriginalPouzar: I don’t agree in the first instance. There are many centers that are just as good on the wing but its much tougher the other way around.

    I don’t necessarily agree that playing a natural center on the wing weakens the lineup – not when the team has the center depth to allow for it.

    Lots of drafted centres end up as wingers. NHL centre be hard.

  59. Wilde says:

    OriginalPouzar: I don’t agree in the first instance. There are many centers that are just as good on the wing but its much tougher the other way around.

    I don’t necessarily agree that playing a natural center on the wing weakens the lineup – not when the team has the center depth to allow for it.

    I’m not saying playing the centre on the wing weakens the lineup, I’m saying the lineup is stronger in the hypothetical where you trade a centre and sign a winger to play that spot, because then you have the top 6 winger still, plus the assets obtained from trading the centre.

  60. Wilde says:

    Here’s an example: Carolina has Julien Gauthier and Martin Necas as RH forward prospects that will impact their roster beginning next year, so TT may be available. Or, you could trade Nuge for one of them and a pick instead of TT.

    If you like both Nuge and Drai in the top 6, how is this not better than that idea:

    Teravainen-McDavid-Yamamoto
    Lucic-Draisaitl-Puljujarvi
    Cammaleri-Khaira-Strome
    Slepyshev-xxxxxxx-Kassian

    You have a cap savings of 3M from Nuge to TT, as well.

  61. ChiliChunk says:

    @JasonGregor
    1m1 minute ago
    More
    Talbot doubtful for tomorrow according to McClellan. Expects Kassian to be ready.

  62. jtblack says:

    Wilde:
    Here’s an example: Carolina has Julien Gauthier and Martin Necas as RH forward prospects that will impact their roster beginning next year, so TT may be available. Or, you could trade Nuge for one of them and a pick instead of TT.

    If you like both Nuge and Drai in the top 6, how is this not better than that idea:

    Teravainen-McDavid-Yamamoto
    Lucic-Draisaitl-Puljujarvi
    Cammaleri-Khaira-Strome
    Slepyshev-xxxxxxx-Kassian

    You have a cap savings of 3M from Nuge to TT, as well.

    Who we giving up to get TT? He’s leading their team in scoring

  63. Jethro Tull says:

    ChiliChunk:
    @JasonGregor1m1 minute ago
    More
    Talbot doubtful for tomorrow according to McClellan. Expects Kassian to be ready.

    To play net? lol.

  64. OriginalPouzar says:

    Kassian will play tomorrow but Talbot is doubtful.

    Montoya the likely starter.

  65. OriginalPouzar says:

    JD_Wry: I think you’re referring to the verbal around the league when Kovalchuck was going to come back to the NHL. He retired with a lot of years left on an albatross contract, if I recall. Not sure about Fisher’s contract status when he retired.

    I’ve read that the Preds reached out to him to come back. Maybe they’re thinking he can get a Cup ring if he returns?

    I guess the difference is that Kovalchuk retired with a contract whereas Fisher was a free agent.

    That makes sense now.

    Thank you for reminding me.

  66. jtblack says:

    Dadbot guaranteed the Playoffs and then can’t go.

    Well played Cam.

  67. texmex says:

    jtblack,

    He must have had a fever of 104 when he said that.

  68. jtblack says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Lots of drafted centres end up as wingers. NHL centre be hard.

    I look at the Cup winner the last 2 years and ask. Does Malkin ever play on Crosby’s wing at 5×5.

    Answer: NO

    EDIT: Meant for OP

  69. jtblack says:

    texmex:
    jtblack,

    He must have had a fever of 104 when he said that.

    Bahahaahaah

  70. Bag of Pucks says:

    Lowetide:
    There’s a reason we don’t talk race on this board, please and thanks

    Couldn’t agree more. I brought up the 4 minute mile on here once and I’ll NEVER do that again.

  71. JD_Wry says:

    Bag of Pucks: 4 minute mile

    Not to mention the playoff race…

  72. frjohnk says:

    So in practice Our bottom 3 centres are
    Khaira
    Strome
    Letestu

    Trial run for next year when trade Nuge?
    McClellan waving the flag of “I don’t gots the fucking horses!”?
    Reverse Unicorns aka Donkey with penis forehead?

  73. OriginalPouzar says:

    jtblack:
    Dadbot guaranteed the Playoffs and then can’t go.

    Well played Cam.

    Really? He turned ill – I’m pretty sure he’s not missing the game intentionally.

  74. OriginalPouzar says:

    jtblack: I look at the Cup winner the last 2 years and ask. Does Malkin ever play on Crosby’s wing at 5×5.

    Answer: NO

    EDIT: Meant for OP

    Fair enought but I’m not concerned about what the Penguins did last year, I’m concerned with what makes sense for the Oilers going forward and that does not have to line up with how the Penguins operate.

    Not to mention, Nuge could also play the wing and have Drai at 2C as well.

    Many teams have had success having natural centers play on the wing for varying terms.

  75. OriginalPouzar says:

    MacKinnon ruled out for tomorrow – that’s helpful.

  76. JimmyV1965 says:

    Although I don’t have an issue trading RNH, I don’t think we can do it right now. His value goes beyond his performance on the ice. He gives us tremendous flexibity in line construction. Depending on the circumstance, we can slot him at 2C and put Drai on the first line or we can slot him at 3C.

    I definitely don’t feel comfortable with Strome in that role. So until we find a 3C who can move up the depth chart, or we have better wingers, I don’t think it’s prudent to move RNH.

    There’s been a lot of talk about trading RNH for Pacioretty. Although I think this is basically a fair trade, I don’t think we can lose the flexibility that RNH brings to the table right now.

  77. Wilde says:

    texmex,

    jtblack,

    You guys should look real hard and see if you can find out who’s missing.

    Get back to me when you solve the puzzle.

  78. Wilde says:

    JimmyV1965:
    Although I don’t have an issue trading RNH, I don’t think we can do it right now.His value goes beyond his performance on the ice. He gives us tremendous flexibity in line construction. Depending on the circumstance, we can slot him at 2C and put Drai on the first line or we can slot him at 3C.

    I definitely don’t feel comfortable with Strome in that role. So until we find a 3C who can move up the depth chart, or we have better wingers, I don’t think it’s prudent to move RNH.

    There’s been a lot of talk about trading RNH for Pacioretty. Although I think this is basically a fair trade, I don’t think we can lose the flexibility that RNH brings to the table right now.

    Our coach doesn’t think Draisaitl is a centre.

    Also Strome+Khaira actually pushes the river versus 3rd comp pretty well

  79. OilClog says:

    Nuge is out and Leon is on the wing?!?

    If Pete somehow stays, there’s no way he doesn’t bring in a new coach that will keep 29 up the middle.

    This team is going to get their heads kicked in whenever line 1 is catching their breathe, this is some serious dipshit coaching.

    Coach can wave all the I don’t have the horses flags he wants, falls on deaf ears when the GM is waving I’m paying Leon 8.5 to play up the middle dipshit! Flag

  80. JD_Wry says:

    OilClog: Nuge is out and Leon is on the wing?!?

    It’s a practice, one of many during this long gameless stretch. Let’s give it 28 hours or so before manning the ledge.

  81. OilClog says:

    Wilde: Our coach doesn’t think Draisaitl is a centre.

    Also Strome+Khaira actually pushes the river versus 3rd comp pretty well

    Whoa whoa whoa that goes against the narrative of some that Strome can barely tie his own skates

  82. OilClog says:

    JD_Wry: It’s a practice, one of many during this long gameless stretch. Let’s give it 28 hours or so before manning the ledge.

    Well this org traded the ledge for truculence awhile ago

    more the enough evidence that 29 is probably running wing again

    When the GM is constantly saying 29 is a C and the coach is hell bent on him being a wing, it’s allowed to be question, opinioned on, and ridiculed.

    The disconnect between management and coaching has sunk this ship

  83. OriginalPouzar says:

    Brantford Boy: I just regurgitated some stomach acid…

    Coach said the lines aren’t written in Stone – lineup decisions are still to be made.

    Kassian will play and wasn’t at practice today and they still may dress 7 d-man.

    He did say that the trio spent time together in the calgary game and they played well.

  84. Wilde says:

    OriginalPouzar: Coach said the lines aren’t written in Stone – lineup decisions are still to be made.

    Kassian will play and wasn’t at practice today and they still may dress 7 d-man.

    He’ll start the game with them apart and then instantly go back to Drai at RW if we go down.

    I guarantee it.

  85. Confused says:

    Anyone thinking they are looking at Jordan Schultz for Maroon?

  86. OriginalPouzar says:

    Coach was asked about Khaira at center and said he’s going to get a chance to play there.

    This is great that he’ll get “a shot” as I am very hopeful he can be Letestu’s replacement at 4C next year (and quite a few on here think he may be able to play center up the lineup).

  87. JD_Wry says:

    Confused: Jordan Schultz for Maroon

    Who?

  88. OriginalPouzar says:

    OilClog:
    Nuge is out and Leon is on the wing?!?

    If Pete somehow stays, there’s no way he doesn’t bring in a new coach that will keep 29 up the middle.

    This team is going to get their heads kicked in whenever line 1 is catching their breathe, this is some serious dipshit coaching.

    Coach can wave all the I don’t have the horses flags he wants, falls on deaf ears when the GM is waving I’m paying Leon 8.5 to play up the middle dipshit! Flag

    That set-up won the last game against calgary.

    I like it as it is a lineup that can still win games (as we saw last Thursday) and it lets us evaluate both Stome and Khaira at center, positions they may very well play on this team next year.

    Not all Oilers fans are smarter than the “dip shit coach”.

  89. Confused says:

    JD_Wry,

    Ops auto-correct schmaltz

  90. OriginalPouzar says:

    OilClog: Well this org traded the ledge for truculence awhile ago

    more the enough evidence that 29 is probably running wing again

    When the GM is constantly saying 29 is a C and the coach is hell bent on him being a wing, it’s allowed to be question, opinioned on, and ridiculed.

    The disconnect between management and coaching has sunk this ship

    For all you know they are 100% on the same page and management has asked the coach to play Strome and Khaira at center as part of an evaluation for the future.

  91. GMB3 says:

    OriginalPouzar: For all you know they are 100% on the same page and management has asked the coach to play Strome and Khaira at center as part of an evaluation for the future.

    Although the more likely scenario is the other one, when they aren’t on the same page. TMac needs to get this team as close to 90 points as possible to salvage his reputation and for his pride. He’s going to deploy this team in the manner he thinks gives him the best chance to win. This has not aligned with Chiarelli’s vision of the team, as per comments about the Draisaitl contract

  92. GMB3 says:

    JD_Wry: Who?

    I honestly think this guy is a troll. Every once in a while he comes out of he blue saying something hilarious.

  93. JD_Wry says:

    Confused: schmaltz

    Schmaltz, Schwartz, Schultz – pretty sure none of them is coming back for a Maroon rental.

  94. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Does anyone really believe Chia and McL dont work closely together or at odds sending veiled messages to each other?

  95. JimmyV1965 says:

    OilClog:
    Nuge is out and Leon is on the wing?!?

    If Pete somehow stays, there’s no way he doesn’t bring in a new coach that will keep 29 up the middle.

    This team is going to get their heads kicked in whenever line 1 is catching their breathe, this is some serious dipshit coaching.

    Coach can wave all the I don’t have the horses flags he wants, falls on deaf ears when the GM is waving I’m paying Leon 8.5 to play up the middle dipshit! Flag

    This is the value in having Drai at RW or C. Maybe the coach sees that MacKinnon is out and he wants to stack the top line. You take out that top line for the Avs and they have nothing. Maybe he does what he did last game and basically double shifts McDavid and Drai. I’m not sure criticizing the coach for practice lines is fair.

  96. Jethro Tull says:

    JD_Wry: Who?

    You know…Jason Schlutz

  97. Jethro Tull says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    Does anyone really believe Chia and McL dont work closely together or at odds sending veiled messages to each other?

    There are times I’m convinced this organisation has a ‘Wheel of Mythicality’ that it spins to make the hard decisions.

  98. jtblack says:

    OriginalPouzar: Fair enought but I’m not concerned about what the Penguins did last year, I’m concerned with what makes sense for the Oilers going forward and that does not have to line up with how the Penguins operate.

    Not to mention, Nuge could also play the wing and have Drai at 2C as well.

    Many teams have had success having natural centers play on the wing for varying terms.

    You can play lesser Centres on the wing. Not Franchise types. You may disagree, but look at ALL of the Cup Winners recently ..

    If this team intends on being a serious contender, the lineup down the middle goes

    1-McDavid
    2 -Draisatl
    Xxxxxx
    xxxxx

    IMHO

  99. Confused says:

    JD_Wry,

    Jordan Schmultz path rather blocked at STL, at 24 near NHL ready.

    The sort of option PC was referring to last night.

    Not ideal but provides another RHD OPTION

    So next year lars, Russ, been, schm

  100. jtblack says:

    OilClog:
    Nuge is out and Leon is on the wing?!?

    If Pete somehow stays, there’s no way he doesn’t bring in a new coach that will keep 29 up the middle.

    This team is going to get their heads kicked in whenever line 1 is catching their breathe, this is some serious dipshit coaching.

    Coach can wave all the I don’t have the horses flags he wants, falls on deaf ears when the GM is waving I’m paying Leon 8.5 to play up the middle dipshit! Flag

    I agree 100%.

    TMac cant get away from his crutch.

    Maybe WOODGUY or someone can run the Oiler WOWY’s Without McD and Drai. specifically without McD …. it screams WE NEED PRODUCTION when 97 is on the bench.

    TMac can run his top 3 players on one line if he chooses, but until he is able to run 3 or 4 complete lines; the record won’t be any better.

  101. JD_Wry says:

    Confused: RHD OPTION

    Not questioning the player, but I have my doubts that Maroon alone will bring back a decent prospect. Although these middling deals are right in Chia’s wheelhouse, so you never know. To turn Gernat into a good RHD would be quite the win.

  102. Confused says:

    JD_Wry,

    STL has quite the logjam of defenders seven already ahead of him.

    And he, MacEachern,vannelli, etc all just finishing their ELCs.

    Got to think they need to move someone

  103. JD_Wry says:

    Jethro Tull: There are times I’m convinced this organisation has a ‘Wheel of Mythicality’ that it spins to make the hard decisions.

    I think that anyone who disagrees with MacT, Howson or Lowe, has to play a game of Twister against them to settle the dispute, and Katz lets his buddies cheat.

    Edit: Possibly Naked Twister.

  104. OriginalPouzar says:

    GMB3: Although the more likely scenario is the other one, when they aren’t on the same page. TMac needs to get this team as close to 90 points as possible to salvage his reputation and for his pride. He’s going to deploy this team in the manner he thinks gives him the best chance to win. This has not aligned with Chiarelli’s vision of the team, as per comments about the Draisaitl contract

    He absolutely should deploy the lineup in a manner that he sees best to win games each and every night and, some nights, that might just be with Drai as 1RW.

    Also, Chia has continually stated that, long term, he sees Drai as a center. I am highly confident that, for the majority of the term of his contract, he will play center – that doesn’t mean he has to play center tonight or for the rest of the year. The keep is “long term”.

    We currently have the center depth to ice 4 NHL centers even with Nuge out and Drai on the wing.

    Until such time as we are able to add some more offence on the wings, Drai may be playing a decent amount of wing – this may be for another year and that’s fine.

    When we have the winger depth to provide 4 legit top 6 wingers, Drai will play mostly center.

  105. OriginalPouzar says:

    jtblack: You can play lesser Centres on the wing.Not Franchise types.You may disagree, but look at ALL of the Cup Winners recently ..

    If this team intends on being a serious contender, the lineup down the middle goes

    1-McDavid
    2 -Draisatl
    Xxxxxx
    xxxxx

    IMHO

    This team currently has the ability to ice four NHL centers, with Nuge out and Drai on the wing.

    This team currently does not have the ability to ice for NHL top 6 wingers without the use of Drai.

    The current set up of the team isn’t an championship team but its what the coach has to work with tonight and it very well gives the team the best chance to win tonight (it won against Calgary) and it also allows for a looksie at two potential centers for next year in Strome and Khaira.

    Over time, this team will be able to ice four legit top 6 wingers (hopefully with two on ELCs or cheapish 2nd contracts) and Drail will be mainly a center.

    The team isn’t there yet and isn’t winning the Stanley Cup this year.

  106. Wilde says:

    OriginalPouzar: This team currently has the ability to ice four NHL centers, with Nuge out and Drai on the wing.

    This team currently does not have the ability to ice for NHL top 6 wingers without the use of Drai.

    The current set up of the team isn’t an championship team but its what the coach has to work with tonight and it very well gives the team the best chance to win tonight (it won against Calgary) and it also allows for a looksie at two potential centers for next year in Strome and Khaira.

    Over time, this team will be able to ice four legit top 6 wingers (hopefully with two on ELCs or cheapish 2nd contracts) and Drail will be mainly a center.

    The team isn’t there yet and isn’t winning the Stanley Cup this year.

    Per performance this year Letestu is only an NHL level centre in the loosest of associations.

    If Todd was looking to win, he’d ice the two most proven, effective lines splitting the C’s:

    Lucic-McDavid-Puljujarvi

    177 minutes

    72 – 59 CF per 60
    39 – 28 SCF per 60

    2.7-1.35 GF per 60

    Khaira-Draisaitl-Strome

    105 minutes

    57-52 CF per 69
    32-26 SCF per 60

    2.83-2.27 GF per 60

  107. JD_Wry says:

    PC: Look, Craig, I really appreciate you bringing this Reinhart deal to me, but I don’t think it’s the right time to move on something like this, in a draft so deep.

    CM: Kevy?

    KL: NAKED TWISTER! NAKED TWISTER!

    DK: Craig gets the first two moves.

    PC: Alright, fine.

  108. Scungilli Slushy says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Lines at practice today:

    Cammalleri-McDavid-Draisaitl
    Lucic-Khaira-Puljujarvi
    Maroon-Strome-Caggiula
    Slepyshev-Letestu-Pakarinen

    Talbot and Kass are not practicing.Personal reasons for Zack and Talbot is sick

    Looks balanced to me given available players. Khaira and JP have really outplayed all those below them, deserve that practice push. Camm is on McD’s line because he knows what to do (experience) and McD and Drai don’t need help driving play usually. Maybe a message to Maroon.

    There are many great ideas for ideal players that would make the Oilers strong, like we want. The easiest and least asset costly way is the Lucic way. It so rarely works out for team.

    I’ve mentioned before that many of us envy young players on other teams, but we only see their highlight reels and not their mess ups.

    Some of the best news this year is the emergence of three young guys – Nurse JP and Khaira. All big good skating skilled players, fantastic news.

    Most teams, and the Oilers should, factor them into the solution. There will be ups and downs, but the numbers show 3 good NHL players and so does the eye. Lots to grow but here now.

    Where the problem comes in is planning on players that are not showing strong numbers, likely haven’t consistently in the past, and may also fail the eye test of good play as the viewer sees it.

    They may have fatal flaws like hockey sense, a poor shot, poor passing, inconsistent effort, weak skating. This is different from players that may have not had opportunity or had an injury behind their play.

    For me the bets that hurt most were Russell, Strome, Benning. Also the bet on Talbot maintaining form given he had started so poorly once already and not having a proven backup just in case.

    We don’t know the Oilers’ metrics but Russell had weird blogger numbers and some obvious limitations to his game such as suppressing zone entries and passing. Kind of important these days those two things. Also weak on the cycle. Good on him for popping a few a while ago. Fail on PC.

    Strome had one good season and while not a bad hockey player is not top 6 and questionably worth his pay. Salary dump shmalary dump. Should have gone for a prospect, pick or held Eberle until something better came along. Fail on PC.

    Benning isn’t that bad, on third pair with the right partner, but hadn’t had an established run of good play and has clear limitations again. He hasn’t clearly risen above prospect level and doesn’t have Nurse’s skill set, skating, pedigree or size which makes Nurse’s emergence much less surprising than if Bennett had.

    At times I don’t mind Benning and do pull for him, but pretty risky Pete. I also am not a natural fan of undersized D, so few become really solid all round like Sekera and even he has his size related issues. Fail on PC.

    My point is when you have top 10 draft talents, betting on them for next season is not the end of the world if they are showing signs and aren’t tossed in too deep at first.

    Betting on lower end players in key roles is a problem, or old players that aren’t clearly still capable. JP Khaira and Nurse should be expected to plug holes on next season’s roster, Khaira lower on the hole size given he has less skill than the other 2.

    Strome has maxed out at the NHL level, Russell seems on the downward slope and Benning might have hit his ceiling. Do not bet on them higher than what they currently are capable of doing now consistently, every player has a good game now and again.

  109. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    russ99: Yeah but that’s sketchy at this point. Reportedly he’s tired of moving around from team to team and that’s his reasoning for an NMC, so getting him to waive it is questionable.

    Plus it would be a bit sordid asking a guy to waive when not recovered from injury, sends a bad signal to potential UFAs we want to sign.

    Would be best to wait a summer and then Sekera and Russell are tradable without potential baggage.

    I’m against trading Klef, as it would suck to see him blossom when we gave up on him too early.

    Nuge is a different story, he pretty much is what he is at this point, and while we’d all prefer to keep him, not sure 3 centers at that much cap value is a luxury we can afford with many holes to fix at wing and RD. Plus we can replace his defensive game with someone more physical and with good PK/faceoff acumen at roughly under half the price.

    I just want to chime in. I think defensively responsible 2-way centres that have slight frames take a little longer to peak a la Backlund down the QE2.

    I think Nuge is capable of becoming as effective as he is without the puck. And bring a little bit more offense.

    It is my opinion that Nuge will have a couple of 60 + point seasons after age 25 and be a valuable player.

    He hasn’t been quite worth his contract but that’s done and a sunk cost. We aren’t getting Teravainen for him so I’d rather not deal him in another value losing trade for more cap space.

  110. OriginalPouzar says:

    Safin playing center tonight for the Sea Dogs – gosh they need to improve their offensive talent for next season.

    Do NHL teams have leverage to “suggest” CHL teams trade certain players?

  111. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Wilde: Buffalo wins that deal easily. The Sabres have been worse with Risto on the ice than they are without him, for Risto’s entire career.

    Risto’s CFRel in each season

    -1.16
    -0.90
    -3.70
    -5.51
    -1.25

    Risto’s GFrel in each season

    1.74
    -7.21
    -4.08
    1.51
    -0.56

    Also he doesn’t have a single better season than Klef as an ES producer, except this half of one.

    Buffalo is so thin on D and so bad they play Risto almost half the game. Top 5 in TOI in the League. Yes his numbers look bad relative to his teammates but I think that is to be expected given his usage.

    It seems in vogue at the moment to say look Nurse is way better because up until recently it was easy to say Risto outperformed him and should have been the pick.

    In reality I think a Nurse-Risto pair with their skating, size, wingspans and mean streaks could be fearsome.

    I would have to think long and hard about a Klef one for one swap. The handedness, the ability to play big minutes is certainly tempting to me. Good contract, too.

  112. sliderule says:

    Things I heard this week.

    Tod dodged a bullet when oilers rallied against Flames

    PC owns the Reinhart trade.This surprised me.as I always thought old boys pushed it.

    Lucic throwing puck blindly away resulting in breakouts against isn’t being coached.

    There was a fight between two oilers resulting in a concussion.

  113. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    I watch a lot of Penguins games.

    It’s interesting to me but they often run their 3 best players on different even strength lines.

    Crosby
    Malkin
    Kessel

    Malkin gets Hornqvist and Hagelin and only occasionally does Kessel get an even strength shift instead of Hagelin.

    It would be like the Oilers running
    McDavid with 2 middling wingers
    Drai with an Eberle level winger (Hornqvist)
    Hall having his own line.

    While not as good I do think the closest the Oilers can get is
    McDavid own line
    Drai own line
    Nuge own line

    On the PP they go
    PP1: Crosby, Malkin, Kessel, Hornqvist, Letang

    Oilers could go: McDavid, Drai, Nuge, Puljujarvi (net front), what they really lack is a RH PP QB D-man. Glaring need. A trade for Risto would fill that.

    Also I have to say Malkin when healthy is dominant. Need Drai to watch more tape of Malkin because as much as Drai has been producing I think he has another gear in him he isn’t channeling.

  114. ArmchairGM says:

    Confused:
    JD_Wry,

    STL has quite the logjam of defenders seven already ahead of him.

    And he, MacEachern,vannelli, etc all just finishing their ELCs.

    Got to think they need to move someone

    He’s not a bad player, but anytime I see a 24-year-old who hasn’t secured an NHL roster spot the warning bells go off. I’m pretty sure that the 8D spot can be filled quite easily through free-agency, no need to trade an asset to do it. And hey, what about Zach Whitecloud?

  115. ArmchairGM says:

    Scungilli Slushy,

    Did you just call Benning “undersized”? You do realize that he’s an accomplished open-ice hitter and is the same size as guys like Doughty and Keith, right?

  116. ArmchairGM says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): Buffalo is so thin on D and so bad they play Risto almost half the game. Top 5 in TOI in the League. Yes his numbers look bad relative to his teammates but I think that is to be expected given his usage.

    It seems in vogue at the moment to say look Nurse is way better because up until recently it was easy to say Risto outperformed him and should have been the pick.

    In reality I think a Nurse-Risto pair with their skating, size, wingspans and mean streaks could be fearsome.

    I would have to think long and hard about a Klef one for one swap. The handedness, the ability to play big minutes is certainly tempting to me. Good contract, too.

    Exactly what I was thinking – especially that Nurse – Ristolainen pairing. I’d hate to lose Klefbom, but if we somehow won the lottery this year I’d make that deal in a heartbeat. And I think Klefbom is the better player and I know he’s got a better contract.

  117. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Wilde:
    All talk about RHD hunting starts with trading a LHD. You want to talk about spending too much money somewhere? Say we sign Nurse at 5m, and Benning at 1.5.

    That makes our D corps cost 26M before your new RH guy, say he costs 4M.

    That’s a 30 million dollar D corps. The only other team that’s even close is WPG at 29, and they have numerous forwards on ELC’s or steals: Laine, Ehlers, Connor, Lowry, Roslovic, Dano.

    This is the problem with D for one more year. The deals are inked, the only way out is a buyout (rarely makes things better unless the player is not NHL caliber), a waive (more our wish than realistic), or a damaging trade moving out more young skill on good contracts and creating even more issues.

    Nuge for a young skill LW is the least damaging skill wise if a proven quality affordable 3C is acquired, however it is more than likely that winger will be needing a juicy contract soon enough if they are producing at the NHL level now. Unless they are on a sweetheart deal already, but how many players like that on a team desperate for a centre like Nuge?

    I’m starting more and more to think PC will ride it out and hope like heck everyone picks it up and / or a fluky deal lands in his lap. Maybe some low level tweaks again. And hope like heck for some lockout or expansion bailouts.

  118. Wilde says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): Buffalo is so thin on D and so bad they play Risto almost half the game. Top 5 in TOI in the League. Yes his numbers look bad relative to his teammates but I think that is to be expected given his usage.

    It seems in vogue at the moment to say look Nurse is way better because up until recently it was easy to say Risto outperformed him and should have been the pick.

    In reality I think a Nurse-Risto pair with their skating, size, wingspans and mean streaks could be fearsome.

    I would have to think long and hard about a Klef one for one swap. The handedness, the ability to play big minutes is certainly tempting to me. Good contract, too.

    So then, all we have is Ristolainen has proven he drowns against top comp without a top partner.

    He hasn’t proven he can succeed elsewhere because he hasn’t been given the opportunity elsewhere, yes, but track record is track record and lack thereof is lack thereof.

    Also his burial has been overstated, he’s only had on year, 2014-15, where he really had crazy bad zonestarting: 38.45%.

    For reference, Adam Larsson, who is a defensemen of calibre below Klefboms and therefore the target should be better than. got absolutely buried in zone starts the year before we traded for him at 31.82%.

  119. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Wilde:
    Here’s an example: Carolina has Julien Gauthier and Martin Necas as RH forward prospects that will impact their roster beginning next year, so TT may be available. Or, you could trade Nuge for one of them and a pick instead of TT.

    If you like both Nuge and Drai in the top 6, how is this not better than that idea:

    Teravainen-McDavid-Yamamoto
    Lucic-Draisaitl-Puljujarvi
    Cammaleri-Khaira-Strome
    Slepyshev-xxxxxxx-Kassian

    You have a cap savings of 3M from Nuge to TT, as well.

    I wouldn’t put McDavid with a tiny rookie and an undersized pass first LW. Not until the league decides McD isn’t a piñata for their amusement. I thought McD needed a shooter?

  120. Wilde says:

    Scungilli Slushy: I wouldn’t put McDavid with a tiny rookie and an undersized pass first LW. Not until the league decides McD isn’t a piñata for their amusement. I thought McD needed a shooter?

    The tiny rookie shoots more often than every other non Puljujarvi Oiler.

    Edit: and the undersized passer would be our 2nd leading scorer

  121. Scungilli Slushy says:

    ArmchairGM:
    Scungilli Slushy,

    Did you just call Benning “undersized”? You do realize that he’s an accomplished open-ice hitter and is the same size as guys like Doughty andKeith, right?

    Let’s put aside comparisons to two of the best D of their generation.

    I just checked and Benning has somehow grown to 6’1 and 204.

    He’s the shortest player that height I’ve ever seen on the ice. I think they fluffed those stats but maybe not.

    He does throw the odd big hit but so does Caggiula, I doubt opponents care much, it’s not like they hurt anybody. It isn’t a giant like Chara or a player like Kassian coming at them, Kassian apparently only being 5 lbs heavier than Benning, not much.

    I do see Benning is not that good at making his physical play count in the battle areas. He angles guys off decently but often doesn’t get the puck or make a play enough which is the point.

    I like Benning overall when he’s being effective but it was only the stretch before he had his bell rung. He seems to need shelter now.

    I’ll retract the undersized statement until I can get a tape measure on him and push him on a scale. Dry 😀

  122. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Wilde: The tiny rookie shoots more often than every other non Puljujarvi Oiler.

    Edit: and the undersized passer would be our 2nd leading scorer

    I agree about the talent but that much lack of physicality given how teams get after Connor wouldn’t be my first choice. I remember a quote from Sather talking about skill players in his office whining about protection.

    I believe that is why Maroon plays with him even though his production is too low. He can play with skill and is more than willing to protect and has enough gravitas that opponents respect the physical threat he provides.

    Certainly that doesn’t mean Connor doesn’t get hurt but it cuts down a lot of cheap shots IMO. I think if there is any way possible Maroon will be back or Lucic gets a lot of time with him.

  123. Scungilli Slushy says:

    sliderule:
    Things I heard this week.

    Tod dodged a bullet when oilers rallied against Flames

    PC owns the Reinhart trade.This surprised me.as I always thought old boys pushed it.

    Lucic throwing puck blindly away resulting in breakouts against isn’t being coached.

    There was a fight between two oilers resulting in a concussion.

    HF again 😀

  124. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Wilde: So then, all we have is Ristolainen has proven he drowns against top comp without a top partner.

    He hasn’t proven he can succeed elsewhere because he hasn’t been given the opportunity elsewhere, yes, but track record is track record and lack thereof is lack thereof.

    Also his burial has been overstated, he’s only had on year, 2014-15, where he really had crazy bad zonestarting: 38.45%.

    For reference, Adam Larsson, who is a defensemen of calibre below Klefboms and therefore the target should be better than. got absolutely buried in zone starts the year before we traded for him at 31.82%.

    It’s all hypothetical anyway. I didn’t say I would make the trade, I said it would make me think.

    You’re arguing like I said it is a no-brainer or something.

    Handedness would bring balance to the lineup.

    Klefbom is a talented young D but has quite a few question marks as well. Yet we can see the skillset is there. If you watch Risto you can see the skillset as well

    I never mentioned DZone starts. That’s all you. I said the guy plays 26 mins a game for an awful team. Not exactly sheltered but I wasn’t talking zone starts.

    He and Larsson are not similar types of players.

    Barrie costs more for both salary and acquisition cost, likely.

    I would prefer to get Tyler Myers assuming he costs far less than Klefbom to grab.

    But if those options aren’t available and Klef for Risto is I would think about it.

    That said I would think Buffalo sticks with the right handed D they know and signed long term and play big minutes so it is probably moot.

  125. Lowetide says:

    Oilers trade Edward Pasquale to Tampa Bay for futures.

  126. Scungilli Slushy says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): Buffalo is so thin on D and so bad they play Risto almost half the game. Top 5 in TOI in the League. Yes his numbers look bad relative to his teammates but I think that is to be expected given his usage.

    It seems in vogue at the moment to say look Nurse is way better because up until recently it was easy to say Risto outperformed him and should have been the pick.

    In reality I think a Nurse-Risto pair with their skating, size, wingspans and mean streaks could be fearsome.

    I would have to think long and hard about a Klef one for one swap. The handedness, the ability to play big minutes is certainly tempting to me. Good contract, too.

    The Oilers win that trade. One of the few I would consider trading Klefbom for. Klef is great when healthy, ‘nuff said.

  127. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Lowetide:
    Oilers trade Edward Pasquale to Tampa Bay for futures.

    Who are the other 2?

  128. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Caley Chelios

    @CaleyChelios
    Lightning have acquired goaltender Edward Pasquale from the Oilers in exchange for future considerations. The 6-foot-2, 215-pound goaltender has played in 211 career AHL games over seven seasons with the Condors, Grand Rapids Griffins, St. John’s IceCaps and Chicago Wolves.

  129. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    So that frees up a contract on the 50-man? To 48?

  130. Scungilli Slushy says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Safin playing center tonight for the Sea Dogs – gosh they need to improve their offensive talent for next season.

    Do NHL teams have leverage to “suggest” CHL teams trade certain players?

    If they had a backdoor way to get cash to them the could get a lot of accommodation from them. Many teams could use more money.

  131. Lowetide says:

    Bakersfield Condors

    Verified account

    @Condors
    13m13 minutes ago
    More
    The Condors have acquired G Nic Riopel and RW Ty Loney from Syracuse for future considerations. In addition, G Eddie Pasquale has been traded to the Tampa Bay Lightning for future considerations.

  132. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Lowetide:
    Bakersfield Condors

    Verified account

    @Condors13m13 minutes ago
    More
    The Condors have acquired G Nic Riopel and RW Ty Loney from Syracuse for future considerations. In addition, G Eddie Pasquale has been traded to the Tampa Bay Lightning for future considerations.

    Ha. Do those 2 count against the 50-man or no?

  133. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lowetide:
    Oilers trade Edward Pasquale to Tampa Bay for futures.

    Makes sense – with Brossoit down there and getting pretty much all the starts, Ellis was eventually sent to Wichita but, with Starett having a nice first pro season, I think Ellis only got in one game.

  134. OriginalPouzar says:

    I remember about a month ago, one poster was trying to convince me that they organization would bring Pasquale back over Ellis and I was shocked that this person was convinced it was the right move.

  135. OriginalPouzar says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): Ty Loney

    I don’t think they have NHL contracts so, no (assuming they don’t).

  136. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    OriginalPouzar: I don’t think they have NHL contracts so, no (assuming they don’t).

    Yeah seems AHL only deal.

    So 48 contracts.
    Brossoit needs playing time as does Ellis. Tampa does them a favour taking Pasquale.

    Clearing room to acquire prospects at the deadline.

  137. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Jethro Tull: There are times I’m convinced this organisation has a ‘Wheel of Mythicality’ that it spins to make the hard decisions.

    I believe it’s called the ‘Wheel of Peter Puck’.

    OBC Twister is only for parties from my experience, uh what I’ve heard. On HF.

  138. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Lowetide:
    Bakersfield Condors

    Verified account

    @Condors13m13 minutes ago
    More
    The Condors have acquired G Nic Riopel and RW Ty Loney from Syracuse for future considerations. In addition, G Eddie Pasquale has been traded to the Tampa Bay Lightning for future considerations.

    Ha! I was making a 3 for 1 joke.

  139. OriginalPouzar says:

    Safin with a 2nd period assist. 2-2- half way through.

  140. Scungilli Slushy says:

    To my wall of text comment I forgot to add Caggiula as a failed bet. I admire his gumption but he gets little done away from McAwesome as shown by those here.

  141. JD_Wry says:

    Barzal with another nice goal, this time crashing the crease:

    https://streamable.com/jpt63

  142. CalVag says:

    Just caught myself daydreaming at work…

    Wouldn’t it be hilarious if we traded for the 1st rnd pick NYI received from Calgary, and then knocked Calgary out of the playoffs in our last game against them, and then won the lottery with that pick.

    I’d do bad things, unforgivable things, to make that happen.

    Edit – knock Calgary out from making the playoffs

  143. OriginalPouzar says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): Safi

    I don’t think its clearing room for prospects but clearing a gut to get the prospect goalies some playing time.

    When/If we acquire prospects at the deadline, it will be in conjunction with contracts going out – I can’t imagine any of our UFAs getting multiple prospects back (at least not multiple prospects that are close to NHL ready or even likely to ever be NHL ready).

  144. Lowetide says:

    Both new hires are ECHL guys who might be able to help in a specifi role in Bakersfield. Loney might catch on with a skill line, and maybe the goalie could Riopel down the rock face and get in a few games.

  145. OriginalPouzar says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Safin playing center tonight for the Sea Dogs – gosh they need to improve their offensive talent for next season.

    Do NHL teams have leverage to “suggest” CHL teams trade certain players?

    Safin finishes with the lone assist. SJ loses 3-2 in OT but were outshot 51-17 and Safin, forced to play center, was 0/6 in the faceoff circle.

    I truly hope they can get some help for him next year or Safin gets moved in the off-season.

  146. Wilde says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): It’s all hypothetical anyway. I didn’t say I would make the trade, I said it would make me think.

    You’re arguing like I said it is a no-brainer or something.

    Handedness would bring balance to the lineup.

    Klefbom is a talented young D but has quite a few question marks as well. Yet we can see the skillset is there. If you watch Risto you can see the skillset as well

    I never mentioned DZone starts. That’s all you. I said the guy plays 26 mins a game for an awful team. Not exactly sheltered but I wasn’t talking zone starts.

    He and Larsson are not similar types of players.

    Barrie costs more for both salary and acquisition cost, likely.

    I would prefer to get Tyler Myers assuming he costs far less than Klefbom to grab.

    But if those options aren’t available and Klef for Risto is I would think about it.

    That said I would think Buffalo sticks with the right handed D they know and signed long term and play big minutes so it is probably moot.

    No, I’m not saying you think or believe anything. I’m just giving my point of view of the two players value.

    I like the LHD for RHD concept, and I don’t mind Klef being the guy going out, but Risto just looks like the wrong target, too risky, even powerplay included.

    Justin Faulk isn’t top pairing on Carolina anymore, and they need to pay the guys who are: Pesce and Slavin. I’d sooner make a swap like that, I’d give up assets to sweeten too.

  147. Pescador says:

    CalVag:
    Just caught myself daydreaming at work…

    Wouldn’t it be hilarious if we traded for the 1st rnd pick NYI received from Calgary, and then knocked Calgary out of the playoffs in our last game against them, and then won the lottery with that pick.

    I’d do bad things, unforgivable things, to make that happen.

    Hypothetically,
    what if you’ already done some bad, unforgivable things sort of like a twisted precursor of good karma in order to help make this happen?
    Asking for Pouzar

  148. OriginalPouzar says:

    CalVag:
    Just caught myself daydreaming at work…

    Wouldn’t it be hilarious if we traded for the 1st rnd pick NYI received from Calgary, and then knocked Calgary out of the playoffs in our last game against them, and then won the lottery with that pick.

    I’d do bad things, unforgivable things, to make that happen.

    Edit – knock Calgary out from making the playoffs

    I’ve been dreaming of the flames missing the playoffs and winning one of the three lotteries for a while now. I never imagine the Oilers having acquired that pick mind you – that would bring me joy that I’m not sure I can describe.

  149. JD_Wry says:

    Sail on, Belleville Bull.

  150. russ99 says:

    Did you guys see Dellow’s PK article on the Athletic?

    More ammo for my stipulation that McLellan’s focus on RNHs offense has affected the team dynamic and played a part in our disappointing season.

  151. Scungilli Slushy says:

    For me shaky goaltending and wobbly D are the reason for the poor start.

    There are 12 forwards 6 D and 1 goalie. One forward outside of McDavid shouldn’t be a team sewering thing should it?

  152. digger50 says:

    Lowetide: now

    Oh my

    Even Gene is wincing!

  153. digger50 says:

    russ99:
    Did you guys see Dellow’s PK article on the Athletic?

    More ammo for my stipulation that McLellan’s focus on RNHs offense has affected the team dynamic and played a part in our disappointing season.

    Not sure I catch your meaning Russ.

    Last year Nuge played a higher percentage against the toughs. His numbers suffered but it was a successful formula.

    Coach has not gone back to it this year. This year Nuge numbers are up but so are the losses.

  154. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Wilde,

    You’d take Faulk over Risto at this point and add? Interesting. Faulk hasn’t looked good for 2 years now.

    I think I would prefer Risto’s potential and that’s without factoring that Faulk would cost more.

  155. Lowetide says:

    digger50: Oh my

    Even Gene is wincing!

    Hehe. Pretty proud of that one

  156. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    I do hope the Isles miss the playoffs at least, so that it feels less bad for us. That and the Flames missing would be nice.

    They have spent a lot of high picks on Hamilton, Hamonic and Lazar and their D hardly looks All World.

    Heard some fans starting to be upset with Monahan because he doesn’t generate his own offense and rides Gaudreau’s coattails. Sound familiar?

    Oilers need to get as many picks as possible and find some way to land a puck-moving RHD not named Schultz.

    Next year will be a bounce back year if so. One more top 10 pick won’t hurt so long as they get a solid player out of it.

  157. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    JD_Wry:
    Barzal with another nice goal, this time crashing the crease:

    https://streamable.com/jpt63

    Beauty turnover on the 4th goal against, too. #reinhart’sbetter

  158. who says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    Wilde,

    You’d take Faulk over Risto at this point and add? Interesting. Faulk hasn’t looked good for 2 years now.

    I think I would prefer Risto’s potential and that’s without factoring that Faulk would cost more.

    Yeah I agree.
    Think Risto would be a much better bet than Faulk at this point.
    Someone posted earlier that a Klef for Risto trade would be a huge win for the Sabres because Risto is not playing well this year and is suspect defensively. I will just assume that poster has not watched Klefbom this year.
    Don’t get me wrong. I like Klefbom and love his contract. But if we don’t see last years Klefbom pretty soon that contract is not going to look like such a bargain.
    I doubt very much that Buffalo makes this trade.

  159. leadfarmer says:

    No matter what happens to Tavares contract negotiations, we did our best to keep him there

  160. Wilde says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    Wilde,

    You’d take Faulk over Risto at this point and add? Interesting. Faulk hasn’t looked good for 2 years now.

    I think I would prefer Risto’s potential and that’s without factoring that Faulk would cost more.

    Yeah, again sooner than I’d make a move for the Buffalo guy.

    Faulk’s got his last 5 seasons straight of being a positive rel player in possession 5v5 on top of powerplay production.

    Powerplay they’re both good, but however much Risto is better there is dwarfed by Faulks ability to get the puck moving the right direction 5v5 compared to him.

  161. Wilde says:

    who: Yeah I agree.
    Think Risto would be a much better bet than Faulk at this point.
    Someone posted earlier that a Klef for Risto trade would be a huge win for the Sabres because Risto is not playing well this year and is suspect defensively. I will just assume that poster has not watched Klefbom this year.
    Don’t get me wrong. I like Klefbom and love his contract. But if we don’t see last years Klefbom prettysoon that contract is not going to look like such a bargain.
    I doubt very much that Buffalo makes this trade.

    If Klefbom’s year this year can be classified as suspect defensively, then every NHL season ever played by Risto has been suspect defensively.

  162. who says:

    Wilde: If Klefbom’s year this year can be classified as suspect defensively, then every NHL season ever played by Risto has been suspect defensively.

    Can’t argue with you.
    Haven’t watched Risto enough to have an opinion other than to notice he looks like he can create some offense.
    On the other hand I’ve only seen Klefbom play well defensively for about half a year so I’m wondering how much worse Risto could be.

  163. flyfish1168 says:

    Last evening I decided to watch a phlegm game just because I miss watching a hockey game. After 58 minutes and the phlegms seemingly in full control I turned it off to miss the best 2 minutes of hockey. But finding out the results this morning brought a smile that couldn’t be wiped off my face today.

  164. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    flyfish1168:
    Last evening I decided to watch a phlegm game just because I miss watching a hockey game. After 58 minutes and the phlegms seemingly in full control I turned it off to miss the best 2 minutes of hockey.

    No! You didn’t!

  165. OriginalPouzar says:

    Hebig with a goal.

  166. Doug McLachlan says:

    flyfish1168:
    Last evening I decided to watch a phlegm game just because I miss watching a hockey game. After 58 minutes and the phlegms seemingly in full control I turned it off to miss the best 2 minutes of hockey. But finding out the results this morning brought a smile that couldn’t be wiped off my face today.

    I did the same thing, left the game to go walk the dog with two minutes left.

    Come back to see the game over.

    Took a couple of minutes to register that the Flames lost and scrambled to rewind the PVR to figure out how it happened.

    5 teams passed them. Wow.

  167. OriginalPouzar says:

    Flames also have a low ROW compared to the teams they are fighting with, except ANA – chances are they would lose any tiebreaker.

  168. Georges says:

    Playoff success is a way to measure the performance of franchises. Because there’s only one winner each season, I’ll use series victories to separate the data out a bit more.

    Franchise, Series Wins (Cup Wins) – since 2000-01

    PIT 21 (3)
    DET 17 (2)
    CHI 16 (3)
    ANA 15 (1)
    SJS 14
    NJD 12 (1)
    TBL 12 (1)
    NYR 11
    LAK 11 (2)
    OTT 10
    BOS 10 (1)
    PHI 10
    CAR 9 (1)
    COL 9 (1)
    MTL 8
    VAN 7
    STL 7
    WSH 6
    NSH 6
    DAL 5
    BUF 5
    TOR 4
    EDM 4
    CGY 4
    MIN 4
    ARI 2
    NYI 1
    WPG 0
    CBJ 0
    FLA 0

  169. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Flames also have a low ROW compared to the teams they are fighting with, except ANA – chances are they would lose any tiebreaker.

    You know the Oilers’ season is truly over when their fans start obsessing about the Flames.

    Fact is, the Flames are two points out of second place in the Pacific.

    They have the same games played and the same ROW as the Sharks.

    They are one point back of LA who have 6 points in their last 10 games…the Flames have 14 points in their last 10 games.

    While the Flames are far from a lock to make the playoffs, you would be thrilled if the Oilers were in the same position.

    Now that the Canucks are finally healthy after prolonged absences from Horvat, Tanev, Sutter, and Gudbranson , I would be more worried about finishing ahead of them than pissing on the Flames who will be playing meaningful games for the rest of the season.

  170. jdrevenge1 says:

    Anyone else notice Reinhart sitting tied for first in +/- on his Wolves team?

    Team is +9 he is +11. +/- is definitely a meh stat but that looks like a heartbeat to me.

  171. OriginalPouzar says:

    will always look for the flames to finish 2 points out of the playoffs, every year, no matter how the Oilers are doing and I will continue to post about it as I see fit – in particular in a year where they have zero picks in the first three rounds

    I apologize if this interferes with the Brazal highlights.

  172. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    OriginalPouzar,
    This really long post makes me think you didn’t actually see today’s Barzal ‘highlights’

    Here’s a clue. He was -4 with an own goal and a heinous turnover in a 5-0 loss.

  173. Georges says:

    Here’s a look at the number of playoff series wins for teams in the 3 years prior to their Cup win:

    COL, 0, 2, 2
    DET, 1, 1, 0
    NJD, 4, 3, 0
    TBL, 0, 0, 1
    CAR, 3, 0, 0
    ANA, 3, 0, 2
    DET, 1, 0, 2
    PIT, 0, 0, 3
    CHI, 0, 0, 2
    BOS, 0, 1, 1
    LAK, 0, 0, 0
    CHI, 4, 0, 0
    LAK, 0, 4, 2
    CHI, 0, 4, 2
    PIT, 2, 1, 0
    PIT, 1, 0, 4

    The Kings came out of nowhere. The Hawks and the Penguins arrived quickly as well.

    Here’s a look at the coaches of those teams, how many seasons they had been coaching the team when they won the Cup, and the number of years since their first year coaching.

    Hartley, 3, 3
    Bowman, 9, 35
    Burns, 1, 15
    Tortorella, 4, 5
    Laviolette, 2, 5
    Carlyle, 2, 2
    Babcock, 3, 6
    Bylsma, 1, 1
    Quenneville, 2, 14
    Julien, 4, 9
    Sutter, 1, 20
    Quenneville, 5, 17
    Sutter, 3, 22
    Quenneville, 7, 19
    Sullivan, 1, 13
    Sullivan, 2, 14

    Two things to note: coaches win early in their tenure with a team.

    And Q, Sutter, and Sullivan took a long time to win their first Cups.

    They had also all been fired at some point before winning their first.

    So, McLellan has two ways to fit in to this group of Cup-winning coaches.

    Win the Cup this year, his 3rd with the Oilers.

    Or get fired for the first time after his 10th year coaching and win the Cup with another team somewhere down the road.

  174. JD_Wry says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): He was -4

    That other fucking guy was -3.

  175. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    JD_Wry: That other fucking guy was -3.

    He was busy dusting off the puck so didn’t get the 4th.

  176. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    So how do we buy low on Nic Petan? He needs to play on a skill line, not going to get a chance in the Peg.

    Wouldn’t think they’d want Maroon.

  177. Sighduck says:

    Completely off topic but wow has Nolan Patrick been a let down in his first season. 11 points in 41 for what was at one point a consensus #1 really highlights some interesting early returns from that draft

  178. Sighduck says:

    Georges,

    What a poor showing by Canadian teams…

  179. JD_Wry says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): dusting

    The next time we’re slashing about, looking a ‘fuck that guy’ guy, he should be that guy. Give Bendleson a break.

  180. Jaxon says:

    Lowetide:
    Oilers trade Edward Pasquale to Tampa Bay for futures.

    I predict more Tampa Bay to come. This means they’re on the phone and talking and making room/adjustments. Next ball to drop will be Letestu and/or Slepyshev to Tampa for some dead weight contract and a prospect of note.

  181. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    will always look for the flames to finish 2 points out of the playoffs, every year, no matter how the Oilers are doing and I will continue to post about it as I see fit – in particular in a year where they have zero picks in the first three rounds

    I apologize if this interferes with the Brazal highlights.

    I don’t think the Flames are too concerned about draft picks.

    Their pipeline is pretty much full.

    Jusso Valimaki, Rasmus Andersson, Oliver Kylington and Adam Fox on D.

    Dillon Dube, Andrew Mangiapane, Adam Rucizka, Spencer Foo and D’Artagnan Joly at forward.

    I’m sure they would like a high draft pick but they certainly don’t need to stock their system with a bunch of wannabes.

    They’re already loaded.

  182. Material pocession says:

    Harpers Hair: I don’t think the Flames are too concerned about draft picks.

    Their pipeline is pretty much full.

    Jusso Valimaki, Rasmus Andersson, Oliver Kylington and Adam Fox on D.

    Dillon Dube, Andrew Mangiapane, Adam Rucizka, Spencer Foo and D’Artagnan Joly at forward.

    I’m sure they would like a high draft pick but they certainly don’t need to stock their system with a bunch of wannabes.

    They’re already loaded.

    You can never have enough young top end talent coming through the pipeline. Especially with expansion on the horizon. The guys you listed are decent but not necessarily ‘can’t miss’. This draft will sting them a bit going forward.

  183. Harpers Hair says:

    Material pocession: You can never have enough young top end talent coming through the pipeline.Especially with expansion on the horizon.The guys you listed are decent but not necessarily ‘can’t miss’.This draft will sting them a bit going forward.

    Could be.

    But you also have to have room for those players to develop.

    I also didn’t mention some of their late round picks like Matthew Phillips who has 80 points! in 50 games for the Victoria Royals of the WHL.

    The Flames have knocked it out of the park in drafting recently and can certainly add to their prospect pool with free agent signings like Foo.

    There is more than one way to skin a cat.

  184. JD_Wry says:

    Harpers Hair: There is more than one way to skin a cat.

    But some are more enjoyable than others.

  185. OriginalPouzar says:

    A couple assists for Benson last night.

  186. OriginalPouzar says:

    Finally its game day!

    After 3 games in 18 days, the Oilers play something like 33 in 68 – lots of hockey to watch over the last few months.

    The breaks didn’t come at a great time for the Oil as they’ve been playing pretty well (Buffalo game notwithstanding) and have won 4 of their last 5.

    Talbot is sick and highly doubtful so Montoya likely to get the start.

    Nuge is sill out and Larsson is dealing with a personal issue.

    I’m looking forward to seeing another game with Strome and Khaira as centers – I really am looking to see if these two can be consistent as centers for the rest of the season.

    I wonder if Strome will get material time on the PK again?

    Go Oilers!

  187. OriginalPouzar says:

    Maroon for Leivo and a 2nd.

  188. GMB3 says:

    I think there is the possibility JP explodes offensively like Barkov did. Maybe one more year around .5 ppg then a break out season. That would be huge

  189. GMB3 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Maroon for Leivo and a 2nd.

    Is this just a hypothetical or did this trade actually happen??

  190. OriginalPouzar says:

    Maroon for Leivo and a 2nd.

    Harpers Hair: I don’t think the Flames are too concerned about draft picks.

    Their pipeline is pretty much full.

    Jusso Valimaki, Rasmus Andersson, Oliver Kylington and Adam Fox on D.

    Dillon Dube, Andrew Mangiapane, Adam Rucizka, Spencer Foo and D’Artagnan Joly at forward.

    I’m sure they would like a high draft pick but they certainly don’t need to stock their system with a bunch of wannabes.

    They’re already loaded.

    The flames do have some very nice prospects – in particular in guys like Rasmus Andersson and Adam Fox.

    WIth that said, many of the prospects you listed there are middling prospects that all teams, including the Oilers, have.

    Spender Foo is a middling prospect.

    D’Artagnan Joly is a middling prospect (a 6th round pick who is about a PPG in the Q in his draft plus 1 year – nothing overly special).

    They have some nice prospects but I think your post over-values the group by including various pedestrian prospects.

  191. GMB3 says:

    russ99:
    Did you guys see Dellow’s PK article on the Athletic?

    More ammo for my stipulation that McLellan’s focus on RNHs offense has affected the team dynamic and played a part in our disappointing season.

    Didn’t you just post about scapegoating?

  192. OriginalPouzar says:

    GMB3: Is this just a hypothetical or did this trade actually happen??

    Sorry, I thought about that after I posted.

    Just a pure hypothetical.

    Should Leivo not be a target of the Oilers? He’s got to be available and Leaf fans generally think he should be an every day player.

    I know they need defence over forwards but I would think this player could be had.

  193. OriginalPouzar says:

    GMB3: Is this just a hypothetical or did this trade actually happen??

    Our host has always questioned how much offence Puljijarvi will bring, and I think that remains a valid question, however, I don’t disagree with you, he very well could break out offensively at some point in the near future. I can see him as a 30/30 guy. More prolific?

    He’s still growing in to his body and lets not forget he doesn’t turn 20 until after the season is over.

    I know Matthew Tkachuk is a hell of a player (gross) and has been miles ahead of Jesse to this point – I don’t think that conversation is over though.

    If Jesse puts it all together, he’s got the size, speed, skill, hockey IQ, etc. to be an upper echelon player – who knows if he’ll quite get there but I”m excited to tune in every night to watch his progression.

  194. GMB3 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Our host has always questioned how much offence Puljijarvi will bring, and I think that remains a valid question, however, I don’t disagree with you, he very well could break out offensively at some point in the near future. I can see him as a 30/30 guy.More prolific?

    He’s still growing in to his body and lets not forget he doesn’t turn 20 until after the season is over.

    I know Matthew Tkachuk is a hell of a player (gross) and has been miles ahead of Jesse to this point – I don’t think that conversation is over though.

    If Jesse puts it all together, he’s got the size, speed, skill, hockey IQ, etc. to be an upper echelon player – who knows if he’ll quite get there but I”m excited to tune in every night to watch his progression.

    I honestly question his puckhandling at times. Sometimes he’s sublime with the puck and other times he’s not so smooth. Shoots from questionable areas and struggles to get his shot off. I honestly don’t know if that’s learning the game at this level still or what, but part of me feels like he is the type of player who dominated the lower levels because of his size advantage paired with great skating ability

    As you said, he’s still young, but I understand the hesitation around his offense.

    Barkov is an interesting comparable because I remember a lot of the verbal surrounding him after his second season in the NHL was critical of his offensive ceiling, while praising his defensive play for a player of his age. Some similarities with our own Finnish manchild

  195. GMB3 says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    I know Barkov had a significantly better draft season, but in their draft-1 years they both were .5 ppg players as 16 year olds, and we don’t really know how their usage compared with their respective Liiga teams, so the offense could be closer than we may think

  196. OriginalPouzar says:

    GMB3: I honestly question his puckhandling at times. Sometimes he’s sublime with the puck and other times he’s not so smooth. Shoots from questionable areas and struggles to get his shot off. I honestly don’t know if that’s learning the game at this level still or what, but part of me feels like he is the type of player who dominated the lower levels because of his size advantage paired with great skating ability

    As you said, he’s still young, but I understand the hesitation around his offense.

    Barkov is an interesting comparable because I remember a lot of the verbal surrounding him after his second season in the NHL was critical of his offensive ceiling while praising his defensive play for a player of his age. Some similarities with our own Finnish manchild

    I don’t see Jesse as ever being a great puck distributor/transitioner – that’s OK though, as a “power forward” that doesn’t need to be his game. I don’t believe John Leclair and Keith Tkachuk were adept at rushing the puck up the ice. What Jesse needs to be able to do is make the right play at the blue line and in the neutral zone to get the puck to the right people to move it up the ice – I believe he has the hockey smarts to do so.

    He absolutely shoots from questionable angles but (1) I’d rather him overshoot than constantly give up shooting opportunities – we could use a few more “shoot first” mentalities on this team and (2) I would think this would improve with development, age and maturity.

    The game will eventually slow down for Jesse and I think he’s going to be a material offensive player.

  197. Wilde says:

    OriginalPouzar: I don’t see Jesse as ever being a great puck distributor/transitioner – that’s OK though, as a “power forward” that doesn’t need to be his game.I don’t believe John Leclair and Keith Tkachuk were adept at rushing the puck up the ice.What Jesse needs to be able to do is make the right play at the blue line and in the neutral zone to get the puck to the right people to move it up the ice – I believe he has the hockey smarts to do so.

    He absolutely shoots from questionable angles but (1) I’d rather him overshoot than constantly give up shooting opportunities – we could use a few more “shoot first” mentalities on this team and (2) I would think this would improve with development, age and maturity.

    The game will eventually slow down for Jesse and I think he’s going to be a material offensive player.

    I think Jesse still has some of the Bambi effect, but he’s fooling a lot of people on his puckhandling ability.

    It’s just, given his reach and penchant for takeaways, the conditions under which he’s receiving the puck are situations where I don’t think many players are even able to get their stick on the puck in the first place. The reason he appears to be having a tough time handling it is because he’s just made a takeaway or pass reception with the outer, outer edges of his (monster) reach.

    And that’s the same way with his shooting. Most of our team can’t one time unless it’s absolutely in their wheelhouse, whereas Drai and Jesse can get a better shot off with less to work with. You see it and might say ‘that’s not a great shot’, but the reality is most guys can’t get that quality of a shot off when the pass is all the way to their front or back skate.

  198. flyfish1168 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    will always look for the flames to finish 2 points out of the playoffs, every year, no matter how the Oilers are doing and I will continue to post about it as I see fit – in particular in a year where they have zero picks in the first three rounds

    I apologize if this interferes with the Brazal highlights.

    You and I are on the same page. If we can’t make it why not cheer for something that gives us happiness. There is nothing wrong with cheering for your hated team to fail, it’s part of sports. Best for them to win the lottery. Love to see them stuck in Hell. They have the uni to go with it already.

  199. OriginalPouzar says:

    Wilde: I think Jesse still has some of the Bambi effect, but he’s fooling a lot of people on his puckhandling ability.

    It’s just, given his reach and penchant for takeaways, the conditions under which he’s receiving the puck are situations where I don’t think many players are even able to get their stick on the puck in the first place. The reason he appears to be having a tough time handling it is because he’s just made a takeaway or pass reception with the outer, outer edges of his (monster) reach.

    And that’s the same way with his shooting. Most of our team can’t one time unless it’s absolutely in their wheelhouse, whereas Drai and Jesse can get a better shot off with less to work with. You see it and might say ‘that’s not a great shot’, but the reality is most guys can’t get that quality of a shot off when the pass is all the way to their front or back skate.

    I keep reading alot about Jesse’s one-time but I swear I’ve seen him get a one-time off like 3 times this year. I think many fans are replaying the bomb of a one-time goal from the top of the circles in their heads (fair enough, I don’t think an Oiler has scored a goal like that since Jason Arnott). Other than that, I can think of a couple quick one-timers from the high slot that he bombed high/wide.

    Don’t get me wrong, I think he’s likely go the best one-timer of all our forwards (Cammalleri excepted), I just don’t think he’s been able to use it as often as the verbal – again, something that will come with development.

  200. Wilde says:

    OriginalPouzar: I keep reading alot about Jesse’s one-time but I swear I’ve seen him get a one-time off like 3 times this year.I think many fans are replaying the bomb of a one-time goal from the top of the circles in their heads (fair enough, I don’t think an Oiler has scored a goal like that since Jason Arnott). Other than that, I can think of a couple quick one-timers from the high slot that he bombed high/wide.

    Don’t get me wrong, I think he’s likely go the best one-timer of all our forwards (Cammalleri excepted), I just don’t think he’s been able to use it as often as the verbal – again, something that will come with development.

    Yeah when he first came up and was 14% shooting on a 28 goal pace, I had my doubts about it. 14% is good, and can be sustainable by some players but he plays like a volume guy. When you have someone taking the shot on the play 11 times per 60 you’re gonna see some shots that are iffy.

    He acually scores majority of his goals going to the net, off memory.

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