It makes no difference

You can see why Todd McLellan wants 97 and 29 to play together, but the rest of the batting order simply cannot handle big league pitching. A game that saw Edmonton get shredded on special teams and get their first good look at the new goalie, also saw another “L” against a team in search of one of eight spots in the Western Conference. It’s all over now, but it is incredible to see so many of the things that plagued this team early still hang ’em high in Game 50.

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I LIKE YOU LLOYD. I ALWAYS LIKED YOU, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • February 2016: 1-0-0, goal differential +4 (2 points)
  • February 2017: 0-1-0, goal differential -2
  • February 2018: 0-0-1, goal differential -1 (1 point)

Edmonton played a superior team at home, grabbed a point on late-game brilliance by their best player. I think we can chalk this up to roster deficiencies, your mileage may vary.

AFTER 50, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers 15-16: 19-26-5, goal differential -30 (43 points)
  • Oilers 16-17: 27-15-8, goal differential +18 (62 points)
  • Oilers 17-18: 22-24-4, goal differential -24 (48 points)

This version of the Oilers has settled in as clearly better than the first McLellan team and a poor knockoff compared to last year’s club. The special teams and goaltending has savaged the Oilers and there has been precious little done to improve it. A strange season.

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM FEBRUARY

  • At home to: Colorado, Tampa Bay (Expected 0-1-1) (Actual 0-0-1)
  • On the road to: Los Angeles, Anaheim, San Jose (Expected 1-1-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Florida (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Vegas, Arizona, Colorado (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Boston, Colorado (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Los Angeles, Anaheim, San Jose (Expected 0-2-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 5-6-3, 13 points in 14 games
  • Current results: 0-0-1, one point in one game

Edmonton will have played 63 games by the end of February, a reasonable goal for this team is 63 points. From this point that would mean the Oilers would have to go 7-5-1 (and would be 29-29-5 on the season). I have them a little shy, we’ll see.

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

  • Klefbom-Benning were 27-10 in 14:55, on-ice 2-0 GF. Man. Oscar is getting there, ladies and germs. 13-5 Scoring chances for, a 5-0 stone cold picnic with 97 on the ice. Lordy. Were 17-4 against Nieto-Soderberg-Comeau, 9-2 in 3:49 against Landeskog-Kerfoot-Rantanen.
  • Nurse-Davidson were 7-20 in 15:30, including 6-13 with McDavid. Right away you know they were playing against the Landeskog line a lot. Went 6-13 in 8:01 against the trio, and were crushed 1-5 by Bourque-Toninato-Yakupov. I’m going to give the pairing a passing grade even with the possession wobble.
  • Sekera-Russell went 4-15 in 12:43 and got themselves scored on at 5×5. I’ll suggest Zack Kassian was the culprit on the play, your mileage may vary. That kind of possession number is poor, but let’s see who they were facing. Went 2-12 against Jost-Compher-Wilson, I count that trio as the third line. You’re going to have to be patient with Sekera. Think October.
  • Al Montoya stopped 27 of 31, .871. I thought he could have frozen the puck in overtime and his pass to Klefbom was an errant item, but he’s getting used to his team and foul-ups occur. I think it’s important to give him plenty of work down the stretch.

FORWARDS, LAST NIGHT

  • Cammalleri-McDavid-Draisaitl went 17-13 and scored five points in total. It’s a good line, it could be better if they spent more time together. For the life of me I don’t know why they don’t try Puljujarvi with 97 more often. Hell, put him on LW with 97 and 29! Went 9-12 against the Landeskog line (that’s the tough one) and outscored them 1-0. As has been the case so many times, it was good day sunshine with McDavid and Leon keeping time together.
  • Maroon-Strome-Caggiula impressed me, the trio did some good things during the game. Went 14-10, 1-0 GF at 5×5, Maroon was the quietest of the group. The OT goal against is fresh and I get that, but for me this was a game Caggiula showed why the organization has been patient with him. He’s going to end up being a shy scorer but should still have a career as a two-way winger.
  • Lucic-Khaira-Puljujarvi went 15-13 together, Lucic had a great chance, but you would like this line to find the scoreboard if they’re going to stick. I would certainly give this line another go. Lucic was a hammer for much of the night, I think he’s maybe been trying too hard for the last 10 games.
  • Slepyshev-Letestu-Kassian went 2-5, 6:33 ice time and got scored on. Kassian was a little late on the play, he had a gorgeous chance to make up for it later on.
  • Natural Stat Trick and NHL.com.

It comes down to money and term. Maroon may want $4 million times four and could get something close in full free agency. Edmonton may want to sign him to $3.5 million times two, but why would a man sell himself short? It’s a helluva spot to be in, and once again reminds us of the Russell signing one year ago. Actions have consequences and here’s another example.

GOD’S FLASHLIGHT

The first thing I want to know about a forward is his 5×5/60 scoring number. It isn’t perfect, we don’t know linemates, qual comp or usage, but it’s a gigantic tell re: Who is getting things done. Any number over 2.00/60 represents real quality and Edmonton’s two members of the club (McDavid 2.75; Draisaitl 2.50) are in the Top 25 forwards across the league.

My personal opinion is that anything 1.75/60 or over suggests a player who has value and is delivering on some or all of his expectations (depending on usage).

  • No. 97 forward: Milan Lucic 1.88
  • No. 109 forward: Patrick Maroon 1.82
  • No. 109 forward: Jesse Puljujarvi 1.82
  • No. 117 forward: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 1.80

I used 400 5×5 minutes, meaning Jujhar Khaira (1.81) narrowly missed qualifying. The two newcomers (Puljujarvi, Khaira) are welcome arrivals but Edmonton needs to acquire more who are in this range. Of course, the special teams also need to be fixed.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, TSN1260. A mammoth day for the host, I get to interview a legend. Scheduled to appear:

  • Steve Lansky, BigMouthSports. Maroon sign or trade, plus, is the rest of Canada ready for a Toronto Stanley Cup?
  • Scott Mitchell, TSN. How are the Blue Jays looking for 2018?
  • Matt Iwanyk, TSN1260. Super Bowl, Lebron’s real estate future.
  • Vic Rauter, TSN. The man, the legend.

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  1. OriginalPouzar says:

    I believe that Todd plays Leon and McDavid together because there is more versatile center depth in the lineup that top 6 wingers.

    Stome and Khaira did just fine as 2C and 3C last night and McDavid and Drai worked.

    The lines at even strength were not the problem last night.

    The problem was, once again, special teams, and a couple major mistakes that ended up in the next.

    When the organization acquires another established top 6 wingers (and/or when a prospect is truly ready for a top 6 role), then Leon will not need to plug a winger hole and he will be deployed mainly as a center.

    Until then, we can expect to see him play a large amount of wing and, frankly, if a combo of Strome, Khaira (and Nuge) can handle the 3 center spots, it makes sense.

    Again, this team performed just fine at evens, it lost the game on special teams.

  2. OriginalPouzar says:

    It really was nice to see the Klefbom/Benning pairing play so well last night.

    They’ve both had tough seasons, however, when they are on their games, Klef is a wonderful player and Benning an important piece on the right side.

    More please.

  3. OriginalPouzar says:

    Its a tough one on Maroon.

    His departure would open up a large hole – can we fill that hole any cheaper? Our prospects are a year away.

    Can we sign him at market value (likely in the $4M X 4 range) or do we require the hometown discount that only occurs in fantasy?

    Can we afford not to trade him – our best piece to acquire some “futures” – potential NHL ready players on their ELCs – exactly what we need – potentially a good draft pick. Rumors are that prices are very high at this point (may come down closer to the deadline).

    I still think that the two camps are open and honest – if both sides want to get a deal done I would prefer a trade for the futures and a re-sign in the summer. Of course, there is risk that Maroon decides the open market must be explored and he won’t honor the “handshake deal” but that would be my preference.

  4. Bad Seed says:

    I think that maybe the reason Toddler is playing Draisatl with McDavid is not so much for a balanced lineup but to keep McDavid’s frustration level down. Draisatl’s the only guy who really produces consistently with McDavid and the season’s lost anyway.

  5. Lowetide says:

    Bad Seed:
    I think that maybe the reason Toddler is playing Draisatl with McDavid is not so much for a balanced lineup but to keep McDavid’s frustration level down.Draisatl’s the only guy who really produces consistently with McDavid and the season’s lost anyway.

    Jesse Puljujarvi has been effective with McDavid.

  6. Admiral Ackbar says:

    4th line got caved and special teams were completely anemic = loss

  7. Pink Socks says:

    Bad Seed:
    I think that maybe the reason Toddler is playing Draisatl with McDavid is not so much for a balanced lineup but to keep McDavid’s frustration level down.Draisatl’s the only guy who really produces consistently with McDavid and the season’s lost anyway.

    I agree this could be it. McDavid has looked pissed on the ice for the last couple of months except for the brief moment last night when he tied up the game late.

  8. Wilde says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    This can be said over and over, but the fact is this:

    The forwards can be configured in a way that scores more goals than goals against, per hour, with them apart.

    You can run pairs of 97+98, 16+18(without 29), and 29+27 and that’s three lines that outscore their competition.

    97+98: +1.46G/60

    29+27: +2.16G/60

    16+18: +1.67G/60

    I don’t know how many times I have to reformat this data for the point to be taken as valid.

    There’s no shortage of 3rd wingers for these pairings.

  9. flea says:

    I think Todd looked at the Colorado center depth last night and thought the Oilers could go toe to toe even with Mcd and Drai together.

    They lost the coin flip, they usually win. Nice comeback to get the point.

  10. Fgary says:

    Lowetide: Jesse Puljujarvi has been effective with McDavid.

    I would like to see 98 with 97 for an extended look to see if they can develop some chemistry, it takes time. The season is lost, he has the speed and the shot, not to mention pretty decent defensively… might as well run the experiment now.

  11. Pink Socks says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Its a tough one on Maroon.
    I still think that the two camps are open and honest – if both sides want to get a deal done I would prefer a trade for the futures and a re-sign in the summer.Of course, there is risk that Maroon decides the open market must be explored and he won’t honor the “handshake deal” but that would be my preference.

    OP,

    If I am giving Maroon advice, I am telling him to go to free agency and sign with whichever team is offering the most money. This is his one and only opportunity to cash in big time in the NHL, and I sincerely hope he does. From the Oil’s standpoint, if he isn’t signing a 3×3 type deal, he has to be moved for futures to improve the team in the long run. I like Maroon, but we already have Lucic. I don’t think both of them on the same roster is compatible, and I don’t think Lucic is going anywhere for a long long time.

  12. Pink Socks says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    It really was nice to see the Klefbom/Benning pairing play so well last night.

    They’ve both had tough seasons, however, when they are on their games, Klef is a wonderful player and Benning an important piece on the right side.

    More please.

    While I typically cringe with 77-83 on the ice, you are on the mark, top notch from both last night, especially Klefbom.

  13. northof51 says:

    IMO, the lack of right-handed defense was costly last night. I lost track of the number of times the puck was sent back to a lefty playing RD, with his only option to stop the pass on his backhand, and make a flailing attempt to get the puck back in the corner. (Accounting for the bad bounces off the half wall which were mentioned by Remenda and Quinn.)

    A righty would have much more easily been able to receive the pass and execute a dangerous pass or a shot attempt.

    The Leftorium – it’s real, and it’s spectacular (especially without Larsson).

    .

  14. Scungilli Slushy says:

    flea:
    I think Todd looked at the Colorado center depth last night and thought the Oilers could go toe to toe even with Mcd and Drai together.

    They lost the coin flip, they usually win. Nice comeback to get the point.

    That was my take as well. The Avs D played pretty well.

    * for how they look on paper

  15. Pink Socks says:

    OriginalPouzar:

    Stome and Khaira did just fine as 2C and 3C last night and McDavid and Drai worked.

    They did perform fine, but, it could have and should have been better. There were a number of times last night with the puck on Khaira’s stick that I wished it was on Drai’s stick. I like Khaira, great season, should be part of the team for several years, but this is not a 2C. He was fine, average, certainly nothing special, but did not look out of place. But when a team has 29 and 97, the top two centres should be, 29 and 97.

  16. OriginalPouzar says:

    Wilde:
    OriginalPouzar,

    This can be said over and over, but the fact is this:

    The forwards can be configured in a way that scores more goals than goals against, per hour, with them apart.

    You can run pairs of 97+98, 16+18(without 29), and 29+27 and that’s three lines that outscore their competition.

    97+98: +1.46G/60

    29+27: +2.16G/60

    16+18: +1.67G/60

    I don’t know how many times I have to reformat this data for the point to be taken as valid.

    There’s no shortage of 3rd wingers for these pairings.

    Can you post the GA/60?

    I’m not discounting your point – I’m simply providing a counterpoint and a rational for the current lines.

    Those numbers are great (but if you are going to say they outscore their opponents, I would like to see the date). They are also incomplete as I don’t agree that we have the wingers to compliment those pairings – that is part of the issue.

    Last night, the Oilers scored 3 5X5 goals and gave up 1.

    The lines worked last night. Special teams caused the loss.

    Also, in a “lost season” I would not discount the value of information received – including the performance of both Strome and Khaira as centers.

  17. OriginalPouzar says:

    flea:
    I think Todd looked at the Colorado center depth last night and thought the Oilers could go toe to toe even with Mcd and Drai together.

    They lost the coin flip, they usually win. Nice comeback to get the point.

    Didn’t the Oilers win the 5 on 5 battle, 3-1?

  18. OriginalPouzar says:

    Pink Socks: OP,

    If I am giving Maroon advice, I am telling him to go to free agency and sign with whichever team is offering the most money.This is his one and only opportunity to cash in big time in the NHL, and I sincerely hope he does.From the Oil’s standpoint, if he isn’t signing a 3×3 type deal, he has to be moved for futures to improve the team in the long run.I like Maroon, but we already have Lucic.I don’t think both of them on the same roster is compatible, and I don’t think Lucic is going anywhere for a long long time.

    I don’t disagree one iota – I’ve said many times throughout the year, this is Patty’s one chance at a big contract with term. Lets not forget, he was in the AHL only a few years ago and his current contract is at $2M/season (AAV). I”m sure he’s not struggling to feed his family but he hasn’t received a big pay day in the NHL so I don’t imagine he signs in Edmonton at a discount and I’m not sure we can afford to pay him market value.

  19. Pink Socks says:

    I watched the one and only PK several times last night. It appeared early on in the kill they were doing fine, adding more pressure than usual, staying in an actual box. Then puck moves a few times, ends up on Girards stick, and the Oil are in the famous L-formation PK again. Literally 3 fucking guys stacked up. It wasn’t a particularly heavy shot, Girard had all the time in the world, and Montoya has to search through 3 of his teammates to locate the puck. No wonder our goalering has been abysmal on the PK this year, 3 free screens for the opponent.

  20. OriginalPouzar says:

    Pink Socks: They did perform fine, but, it could have and should have been better.There were a number of times last night with the puck on Khaira’s stick that I wished it was on Drai’s stick.I like Khaira, great season, should be part of the team for several years, but this is not a 2C.He was fine, average, certainly nothing special, but did not look out of place.But when a team has 29 and 97, the top two centres should be, 29 and 97.

    Were there times that the puck was on Drai’s stick when you wished it was on the stick of another? In particular the two times that he had it on his stick and it led to 97 goals? Two primary assists for Leon last night – for all we know, a different deployment of ilnes and the 97 line is shut out.

  21. Pink Socks says:

    OriginalPouzar: I don’t disagree one iota – I’ve said many times throughout the year, this is Patty’s one chance at a big contract with term. Lets not forget, he was in the AHL only a few years ago and his current contract is at $2M/season (AAV). I”m sure he’s not struggling to feed his family but he hasn’t received a big pay day in the NHL so I don’t imagine he signs in Edmonton at a discount and I’m not sure we can afford to pay him market value.

    Yep, right on. Certainly is likely not struggling financially, but that $2m/season isn’t going to carry him a long way post-hockey.

    I am not sure of his market value, but back to back 20G seasons doesn’t hurt. I would assume he is worth $4-5m per season, in that range. I hope he gets someone to sign him long term.

  22. OriginalPouzar says:

    Graham McPhee, Rasanen, Stuart Skinner, Kailer Yamamoto, Tyler Benson, Kril Maksimov, Dimitri Samorukov, Ostaf Safin and the Condors all in action tonight – looking forward to it.

  23. Wilde says:

    OriginalPouzar: Can you post the GA/60?

    I’m not discounting your point – I’m simply providing a counterpoint and a rational for the current lines.

    Those numbers are great (but if you are going to say they outscore their opponents, I would like to see the date). They are also incomplete as I don’t agree that we have the wingers to compliment those pairings – that is part of the issue.

    Last night, the Oilers scored 3 5X5 goals and gave up 1.

    The lines worked last night.Special teams caused the loss.

    Also, in a “lost season” I would not discount the value of information received – including the performance of both Strome and Khaira as centers.

    That data is the goals for minus the goals against.

  24. Pink Socks says:

    OriginalPouzar: Were there times that the puck was on Drai’s stick when you wished it was on the stick of another? In particular the two times that he had it on his stick and it led to 97 goals?Two primary assists for Leon last night – for all we know, a different deployment of ilnes and the 97 line is shut out.

    Totally agree…. but McDiety’s first goal I think was more Cammy’s outlet creating the rush; but who knows. Second goal I feel 29 is out with 97 anyways in that same situation.

    I believe strongly that every period should see a double shift of both 97 and 29 on the same line at least once, twice if possible, but a majority of their time should be spent apart to spread the wealth.

  25. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Mike Babcock

    “We’re playing way quicker,” Babcock said. “Part of that’s confidence, part of that’s work ethic, part of that’s personnel. But the bottom line is the faster we play, the more pressure we put on the other team.”

    A few things that stood out for me.

    Slepy does not seem to have his pace. I think he needs it to be effective. It is likely the injury and missed time, he’s behind physically. He’s like Kassian, when he is pushing on the forecheck he’s quite good, although he can’t seem to make that shot work.

    He makes some heady plays, but he has to stop missing assignments if he has any chance of staying. Only Cags gets away with sloppy D play it seems. Every one else gets demoted asap.

    I thought Maroon did more good with the puck than Lucic, but as many say one team shouldn’t have both these days. It’s like being shorthanded unless they can pin the puck low for their linemates. I think they need cruiserweights still to keep things calm, Lucic isn’t going anywhere soon.

    Beefy and mean is why Kassian will stay, even though he is not reliable enough to be a 4th liner at that salary. For 1.95M he needs to bring it every game and be rock solid on PK and defensively. He loves to fly the D zone.

  26. Brantford Boy says:

    Post game interview was pretty funny watching Al Montoya give Ryan Rishaug the shaft on a question…

    Agree with LT, I saw it happen twice last night he could have froze it, however I have way more confidence (and I see the team does too) with him in net over Brossoit… just a few more game and its our 4th…

  27. Pink Socks says:

    And speaking of TMac’s deployment… Caggiula in OT is almost as indefensible as the PK. He almost cost us the Flames OT being out there too long and coughing up the puck, and his giveaway at the offensive blue created the rush back where he then proceeded to insert his head entirely in his own ass and just stand in the slot as the Av’s clinch it. Caggiula may have an upside at some point, I don’t see it at this moment.

    So then if RNH is out, and Strome is on the second OT unit, TMac has 8 other options to choose from:

    13 – maybe
    16 – defensively yes
    19 – maybe
    27 – no
    44 – maybe
    55 – no
    58 – yes
    98 – yes

    Slepy and JP have speed, size, and a shot. I would throw out 58,98,13,16, and maybe even Kassian before I send Caggiula out.

  28. fifthcartel says:

    Playing McDavid and Draisaitl together while RNH is hurt and Jujhar Khaira is 2C is just completely asinine. I’ve always thought McLellan was a fine, maybe even great, coach, but I’m wondering if he’s stuck in his ways of loading up one or two lines. He always did in San Jose rather than have Pavelski in the 3C spot.

    The Leafs recently scratched Matt Martin and exploded offensively (albeit against two struggling NY teams), but check out their lines.

    Hyman-Matthews-Nylander
    Marleau-Kadri-Marner
    JVR-Bozak-Brown
    Komarov-Moore-Kapanen

    That’s four lines that can generate chances and play in the offensive zone. Toronto’s third and fourth line RW would be Edmonton’s best, I’d argue the same could be said for their bottom two LW’s.

    Compare it to Edmonton’s (bare in mind RNH’s injury):

    Cammalleri-McDavid-Draisaitl
    Lucic-Khaira-Puljujarvi
    Maroon-Strome-Caggiula
    Pakarinen-Letestu-Slepyshev

    That’s a one-line team.

    I was reading Mirtle’s Athletic article about the Leafs finally dressing the best version of themselves and this line stuck out.

    “That’s what can sink organizations — like Edmonton — when they try to surround their thoroughbreds with Clydesdales to punch their way up the standings.”

    Sigh. What could have been.

    At least Oilers Head Coach Joel Quenneville seems like a reasonable possibility in the summer.

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  30. Scungilli Slushy says:

    OriginalPouzar: Didn’t the Oilers win the 5 on 5 battle, 3-1?

    A finisher to play with McDavid would be nice for sure. But your point is good. They are playing well enough 5v5.

    The young guys not surprisingly are making a lot of mistakes defensively and this is the disconnect with McLellan. If they were playing more evenly we might see some lines stick when health is good.

    These little miscues are probably not helping breakouts either. Drai and McDavid also are learning every game. Of course they have the talent to overcome their gaffs.

  31. Scungilli Slushy says:

    fifthcartel: At least Oilers Head Coach John Quenneville seems like a reasonable possibility in the summer.

    I’d rather have Joel 🙂

  32. Pink Socks says:

    fifthcartel,

    Excellent post. Maybe it would elsewhere, but this coaching staff does not gel with this team.

    Looking at that Leaf forward group makes me sad, thought it will be interesting to see how Lou affords it after next season.

  33. fifthcartel says:

    Scungilli Slushy: I’d rather have Joel

    Hahah, whoops. Good catch!

  34. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Pink Socks:
    fifthcartel,

    Excellent post. Maybe it would elsewhere, but this coaching staff does not gel with this team.

    Looking at that Leaf forward group makes me sad, thought it will be interesting to see how Lou affords it after next season.

    He can’t. They are on an ELC honeymoon.

  35. OriginalPouzar says:

    As per Chris Johnston:

    Sad, sad story. Reports out of Sweden say Robert Larsson has died while visiting his son, Adam, in Edmonton.

    Robert Larsson was only 50. Flags are flying at half-mast in Skelleftea. Condolences to Adam and his family

    https://t.co/dKv26MraW7?ssr=true

  36. JimmyV1965 says:

    To my eye, I saw the McDavid and Drai line get hemmed into their own zone a whole bunch last night. They were both cheating for offence in the dzone and not at all supporting their dmen. When they got into the ozone it was fine, but I thought they were both lazy in the dzone.

  37. frjohnk says:

    fifthcartel:
    Playing McDavid and Draisaitl together while RNH is hurt and Jujhar Khaira is 2C is just completely asinine. I’ve always thought McLellan was a fine, maybe even great, coach, but I’m wondering if he’s stuck in his ways of loading up one or two lines. He always did in San Jose rather than have Pavelski in the 3C spot.

    The Leafs recently scratched Matt Martin and exploded offensively (albeit against two struggling NY teams), but check out their lines.

    Hyman-Matthews-Nylander
    Marleau-Kadri-Marner
    JVR-Bozak-Brown
    Komarov-Moore-Kapanen

    That’s four lines that can generate chances and play in the offensive zone. Toronto’s third and fourth line RW would be Edmonton’s best, I’d argue the same could be said for their bottom two LW’s.

    Compare it to Edmonton’s (bare in mind RNH’s injury):

    Cammalleri-McDavid-Draisaitl
    Lucic-Khaira-Puljujarvi
    Maroon-Strome-Caggiula
    Pakarinen-Letestu-Slepyshev

    That’s a one-line team.

    I was reading Mirtle’s Athletic article about the Leafs finally dressing the best version of themselves and this line stuck out.

    “That’s what can sink organizations — like Edmonton — when they try to surround their thoroughbreds with Clydesdales to punch their way up the standings.”

    Sigh. What could have been.

    At least Oilers Head Coach John Quenneville seems like a reasonable possibility in the summer.

    Really not fair to compare Toronto’s line up to Edmontons.

    Other than McDavid, Toronto has us beat in everything from management, coaching, depth, more young impact players, better vets, prospects, draft picks,

    Toronto wins the Cup before the Oilers do.

    Im actually not sure the Oilers will win the Cup.

    Will be interesting to see what the Leafs pay their young impact players coming off their ELC

  38. Scungilli Slushy says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    As per Chris Johnston:

    Sad, sad story. Reports out of Sweden say Robert Larsson has died while visiting his son, Adam, in Edmonton.

    Robert Larsson was only 50. Flags are flying at half-mast in Skelleftea. Condolences to Adam and his family

    https://t.co/dKv26MraW7?ssr=true

    So sad for Adam and his family. Condolences for sure.

  39. rickithebear says:

    Wilde: That data is the goals for minus the goals against.

    I have posted that for 10 years.

    Most on here think Goal dif (+/-) is a poor Stat to determine a teams success.

    The discourse on here is enjoyable.
    But highly argumentative.

    Anyhow!

    Back to populating my server!

  40. prefonmich says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    This really puts all our complaining about this team.into perspective. Thanks for sharing OP. I figured it was something serious but hoped not. My thoughts are with Adam and his family.

  41. Wonder Llama says:

    Sure hope they can find a way to sign Maroon.
    Who else will stroke Brent Burns’ beard?

  42. Scungilli Slushy says:

    I’m glad Klefbom played well last night, hopefully Chia sees him as too good to move. If that pair can stay solid

    Nurse Larsson
    Klefbom Benning
    Sekera(healthy version) Russell
    Davie

    I could live with for a season to not lose Nuge.

  43. frjohnk says:

    rickithebear: Most on here think Goal dif (+/-) is a poor Stat to determine a teams success.

    You are getting goal differential mixed up with plus minus.

    Most here dont think plus minus is a good stat.
    Most here believe goal differential is a good stat.

  44. Pescador says:

    At least Oilers Head Coach John Quenneville seems like a reasonable possibility in the summer.
    fifthcartel,

    Gets closer and closer with every loss,
    especially when you can point directly to the 4v5, 5v4.
    Kinda need Chicago to implode, no Crawford is helping

  45. JimmyV1965 says:

    Pink Socks:
    And speaking of TMac’s deployment… Caggiula in OT is almost as indefensible as the PK.He almost cost us the Flames OT being out there too long and coughing up the puck, and his giveaway at the offensive blue created the rush back where he then proceeded to insert his head entirely in his own ass and just stand in the slot as the Av’s clinch it.Caggiula may have an upside at some point, I don’t see it at this moment.

    So then if RNH is out, and Strome is on the second OT unit, TMac has 8 other options to choose from:

    13 – maybe
    16 – defensively yes
    19 – maybe
    27 – no
    44 – maybe
    55 – no
    58 – yes
    98 – yes

    Slepy and JP have speed, size, and a shot.I would throw out 58,98,13,16, and maybe even Kassian before I send Caggiula out.

    I’m not thrilled throwing any of those guys out there, including the Drake. I would be wary putting JP out there or Kass or Schleppy. The coach can be blamed for a lot of things, but his options in OT are very limited without RNH. Kinda sad really.

  46. hunter1909 says:

    Thankfully the team scored an OTL point so the blog can step back a little from the ledge.

  47. Pescador says:

    frjohnk: You are getting goal differential mixed up with plus minus.

    Most here dont think plus minus is a good stat.
    Most here believe goal differential is a good stat.

    Most here are not capable of recognizing true intellectual brilliance,
    bunch of closed holes if you ask me

  48. J-Bo says:

    I’m actually starting to come around on Strome. Not that the trade was full value, but that we could be looking at a bonfire 3C – which was a big gamble in the trade. I’m hopeful they actually play him 3 C when Nuge returns for the remainder of the season. If he can be a good 3C long term, the trade will be worth it and it gives us great options in our top 6 with Drai and Nuge.

  49. JimmyV1965 says:

    fifthcartel:
    Playing McDavid and Draisaitl together while RNH is hurt and Jujhar Khaira is 2C is just completely asinine. I’ve always thought McLellan was a fine, maybe even great, coach, but I’m wondering if he’s stuck in his ways of loading up one or two lines. He always did in San Jose rather than have Pavelski in the 3C spot.

    The Leafs recently scratched Matt Martin and exploded offensively (albeit against two struggling NY teams), but check out their lines.

    Hyman-Matthews-Nylander
    Marleau-Kadri-Marner
    JVR-Bozak-Brown
    Komarov-Moore-Kapanen

    That’s four lines that can generate chances and play in the offensive zone. Toronto’s third and fourth line RW would be Edmonton’s best, I’d argue the same could be said for their bottom two LW’s.

    Compare it to Edmonton’s (bare in mind RNH’s injury):

    Cammalleri-McDavid-Draisaitl
    Lucic-Khaira-Puljujarvi
    Maroon-Strome-Caggiula
    Pakarinen-Letestu-Slepyshev

    That’s a one-line team.

    I was reading Mirtle’s Athletic article about the Leafs finally dressing the best version of themselves and this line stuck out.

    “That’s what can sink organizations — like Edmonton — when they try to surround their thoroughbreds with Clydesdales to punch their way up the standings.”

    Sigh. What could have been.

    At least Oilers Head Coach Joel Quenneville seems like a reasonable possibility in the summer.

    I count four wingers on the Leafs who are better than any winger on our team. It makes a difference.

  50. hunter1909 says:

    Scungilli Slushy: I’m glad Klefbom played well last night, hopefully Chia sees him as too good to move.

    This is why Chiarelli has to go NOW.

    He’s been proven incompetent. The Hall trade, the Reinhart fiasco, Eberle for a washed up prospect.

    Spin this any way you like, Chiarelli’s a proven idiot.

  51. meanashell11 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    As per Chris Johnston:

    Sad, sad story. Reports out of Sweden say Robert Larsson has died while visiting his son, Adam, in Edmonton.

    Robert Larsson was only 50. Flags are flying at half-mast in Skelleftea. Condolences to Adam and his family

    https://t.co/dKv26MraW7?ssr=true

    That is so sad. My heart goes out to the Larsson family.

  52. Pescador says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    I’m glad Klefbom played well last night, hopefully Chia sees him as too good to move. If that pair can stay solid

    Nurse Larsson
    Klefbom Benning
    Sekera(healthy version)Russell
    Davie

    I could live with for a season to not lose Nuge.

    I really want to agree with you, 17/18 Matty B
    has not been 16/17 MB
    Straight lines and such, probably that awful concussion is to blame.
    I’m not trading OK either, there has to be a way to improve 2RD without trading away the following:
    1st round picks, 93 or 77

  53. JimmyV1965 says:

    I was really disappointed in the play of our big boys last night. Lucic and Kass were freight trains in the third period last night and made a big difference in the flow of play. Too bad they didn’t bring any of that in the first two periods.

  54. bendelson says:

    frjohnk: Will be interesting to see what the Leafs pay their young impact players coming off their ELC

    Prediction: they will be paid ‘reasonably’ so as to not hamstring the organization.

    In regards to past conversation on what Nurse will get this summer – I believe the gauge is Hanifin.
    Nurse should absolutely be signed for less than him, though I doubt this happens… in fact, if I’m Noah’s agent, there is no way I sign before seeing Nurse’s deal.

  55. who says:

    frjohnk: Really not fair to compare Toronto’s line up to Edmontons.

    Other than McDavid, Toronto has us beat in everything from management, coaching, depth, more young impact players, better vets, prospects, draft picks,

    Toronto wins the Cup before the Oilers do.

    Im actually not sure the Oilers will win the Cup.

    Will be interesting to see what the Leafs pay their young impact players coming off their ELC

    I don’t think Toronto will be in bad shape at all regarding the cap next year.
    They will extend Matthew’s for 10 to 12 million but none of the other young guys is having a season like Drai did last year. They may bridge Nylander and Marner will still be on his ELC. I think Drai is a better player than both these guys.
    The reason they have not traded any of their young forward depth? They will let at least 2, if not all 3, of JVR, Bozak and Komarov walk after the season. Those young guys are the cheap replacements.
    That’s what cap management looks like.
    The Oilers will probably resign Maroon for 4×4. That is the opposite.

  56. slopitch says:

    Man condolences to the Larsson family. Age 50. Far too young.

  57. OriginalPouzar says:

    Wilde: That data is the goals for minus the goals against.

    Thank you.

  58. DBO says:

    Strome can be an effective 3rd line centre, especially if he picks up the PK duties and does well.
    Nuge is an effective 2nd line centre who can play in all situations, and if you give him someone who can help drive the line then he will earn his paycheck
    McDavid just needs guys who can keep up. And Jesse is a guy that can.

    ???. McDavid. Pulljujarvi
    Lucic. Nuge. Draisatl (Or you load up Drai on 1 LW and then find a solid 2 RW)
    Khaira. Strome.??? (maybe Yamamoto, esasier spot to start him then 1 or 2 RW)
    Cagguila.???. Kassian

    Speed, size and experience. Add a speedy two way guy at 1LW, a solid 4th line two way centre and we only have 1 young guy bet in Yamamoto or you add a vet who can be had, every year for not much in free agency.

  59. frjohnk says:

    bendelson: Prediction:they will be paid ‘reasonably’ so as to not hamstring the organization.

    In regards to past conversation on what Nurse will get this summer – I believe the gauge is Hanifin.
    Nurse should absolutely be signed for less than him, though I doubt this happens…in fact, if I’m Noah’s agent, there is no way I sign before seeing Nurse’s deal.

    I wonder if Nurses camp brings up not only the Matheson contract $4.8M AAV but Ristolianens contract as well $5.4M. Risto and Nurse drafted next to each other. Risto signed his contract after he got 41 points in 15-16. Two years later and Nurse will probably hit 30 points and is better defensively. Nurse probably does not get $5.4M but its probably not far away from Ristos contract if they go long.

  60. Oilman99 says:

    Pink Socks:
    And speaking of TMac’s deployment… Caggiula in OT is almost as indefensible as the PK.He almost cost us the Flames OT being out there too long and coughing up the puck, and his giveaway at the offensive blue created the rush back where he then proceeded to insert his head entirely in his own ass and just stand in the slot as the Av’s clinch it.Caggiula may have an upside at some point, I don’t see it at this moment.

    So then if RNH is out, and Strome is on the second OT unit, TMac has 8 other options to choose from:

    13 – maybe
    16 – defensively yes
    19 – maybe
    27 – no
    44 – maybe
    55 – no
    58 – yes
    98 – yes

    Slepy and JP have speed, size, and a shot.I would throw out 58,98,13,16, and maybe even Kassian before I send Caggiula out.

    The way Caggiula was playing last night,he earned the right to be out there in ot.

  61. DBO says:

    Maroon at $3.5 is solid.
    Nurse gets the Klefbom deal and I am a happy camper.
    Benning gets a 1 year show me deal, or a multi year $2.5 mill type deal.

    Still need a 2 RD. And a 1 LW or RW to fill out roster.

  62. Pescador says:

    frjohnk,

    5 is a nice round number, so is 40.
    Would I like it to be less? Of course.
    predicting PC

  63. Oilman99 says:

    JimmyV1965: I count four wingers on the Leafs who are better than any winger on our team. It makes a difference.

    This is living proof that you do not trade high draft picks if you want to develop a team from within.

  64. Pescador says:

    JimmyV1965:
    I was really disappointed in the play of our big boys last night. Lucic and Kass were freight trains in the third period last night and made a big difference in the flow of play. Too bad they didn’t bring any of that in the first two periods.

    Yep,
    PK,PP, slow starts.
    All the best in your future endeavours Mr McLellan

  65. bendelson says:

    frjohnk,

    DBO,

    Pescador,

    Aren’t you all optimistic!
    I’ll be surprised if Nurse doesn’t get 6M…

  66. Oilman99 says:

    fifthcartel:
    Playing McDavid and Draisaitl together while RNH is hurt and Jujhar Khaira is 2C is just completely asinine. I’ve always thought McLellan was a fine, maybe even great, coach, but I’m wondering if he’s stuck in his ways of loading up one or two lines. He always did in San Jose rather than have Pavelski in the 3C spot.

    The Leafs recently scratched Matt Martin and exploded offensively (albeit against two struggling NY teams), but check out their lines.

    Hyman-Matthews-Nylander
    Marleau-Kadri-Marner
    JVR-Bozak-Brown
    Komarov-Moore-Kapanen

    That’s four lines that can generate chances and play in the offensive zone. Toronto’s third and fourth line RW would be Edmonton’s best, I’d argue the same could be said for their bottom two LW’s.

    Compare it to Edmonton’s (bare in mind RNH’s injury):

    Cammalleri-McDavid-Draisaitl
    Lucic-Khaira-Puljujarvi
    Maroon-Strome-Caggiula
    Pakarinen-Letestu-Slepyshev

    That’s a one-line team.

    I was reading Mirtle’s Athletic article about the Leafs finally dressing the best version of themselves and this line stuck out.

    “That’s what can sink organizations — like Edmonton — when they try to surround their thoroughbreds with Clydesdales to punch their way up the standings.”

    Sigh. What could have been.

    At least Oilers Head Coach Joel Quenneville seems like a reasonable possibility in the summer.

    Cap hell is coming to Toronto soon, stay tuned to see the juggling begin.

  67. DBO says:

    bendelson:
    frjohnk,

    DBO,

    Pescador,

    Aren’t you all optimistic!
    I’ll be surprised if Nurse doesn’t get 6M…

    Really? no precedent for a defensive dman to get that money out of his entry level deal. Seems like most fall into the 4 to 4 mill category short of them getting 40 plus points. Now, it would be so Chia to overpay him.

    Man the Russell deal is a killer. I even like Russell. But Nurses people will be like, he gets $4 mill, I am worth 6. Hurts.

  68. Pescador says:

    hunter1909: This is why Chiarelli has to go NOW.

    He’s been proven incompetent. The Hall trade, the Reinhart fiasco, Eberle for a washed up prospect.

    Spin this any way you like, Chiarelli’s a proven idiot.

    Don’t forget the unnecessary NTC’s
    Russell contract
    Future cap issues
    Unbalanced roster
    Inactive summer
    Anything else?

  69. Oilman99 says:

    OriginalPouzar: I don’t disagree one iota – I’ve said many times throughout the year, this is Patty’s one chance at a big contract with term. Lets not forget, he was in the AHL only a few years ago and his current contract is at $2M/season (AAV). I”m sure he’s not struggling to feed his family but he hasn’t received a big pay day in the NHL so I don’t imagine he signs in Edmonton at a discount and I’m not sure we can afford to pay him market value.

    Maroon’s value has decreased after last years career year,the cost to replace is going to be more than keeping him. If he wants to stay,get it done!

  70. Oilman99 says:

    bendelson:
    frjohnk,

    DBO,

    Pescador,

    Aren’t you all optimistic!
    I’ll be surprised if Nurse doesn’t get 6M…

    The guy is going to have to improve his scoring stats immensely to merit 6M.,don’t think that happens.

  71. Scungilli Slushy says:

    hunter1909: This is why Chiarelli has to go NOW.

    He’s been proven incompetent. The Hall trade, the Reinhart fiasco, Eberle for a washed up prospect.

    Spin this any way you like, Chiarelli’s a proven idiot.

    He has a track record of at least a hand in some really bad deals for sure. Milbury team gutting bad. The Bruins have survived. The man loves his ruffians and energy guys. Screw the hockeying.

  72. bendelson says:

    Oilman99: The guy is going to have to improve his scoring stats immensely to merit 6M.,don’t think that happens.

    What does merit have to do with anything?

  73. OilClog says:

    If Mcdavid wasn’t the PP QB they would’ve won… lol

    Leon for sure would have the PP firing on all cylinders if Mcdavid wasn’t in his damn way.

    It’s sweet to lose to a team that Yakupov plays for, real fucking sweet.

  74. Oilman99 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I believe that Todd plays Leon and McDavid together because there is more versatile center depth in the lineup that top 6 wingers.

    Stome and Khaira did just fine as 2C and 3C last night and McDavid and Drai worked.

    The lines at even strength were not the problem last night.

    The problem was, once again, special teams, and a couple major mistakes that ended up in the next.

    When the organization acquires another established top 6 wingers (and/or when a prospect is truly ready for a top 6 role), then Leon will not need to plug a winger hole and he will be deployed mainly as a center.

    Until then, we can expect to see him play a large amount of wing and, frankly, if a combo of Strome, Khaira (and Nuge) can handle the 3 center spots, it makes sense.

    Again, this team performed just fine at evens, it lost the game on special teams.

    There are not enough top six players available without Nuge to allow Mc D and Drai to play on the same line.

  75. JimmyV1965 says:

    DBO:
    Maroon at $3.5 is solid.
    Nurse gets the Klefbom deal and I am a happy camper.
    Benning gets a 1 year show me deal, or a multi year $2.5 mill type deal.

    Still need a 2 RD. And a 1 LW or RW to fill out roster.

    There is no way I give Benning a multi-year deal. He’s a bubble player. They should be looking at alternatives. And I thought he had one of his better games last night.

  76. hunter1909 says:

    Pescador: Don’t forget the unnecessary NTC’s
    Russell contract
    Future cap issues
    Unbalanced roster
    Inactive summer
    Anything else?

    Thanks. I was wondering about this other stuff, but my fingers got tired typing. It’s so much easier to type “Lowe+MacT”

  77. Wilde says:

    JimmyV1965: There is no way I give Benning a multi-year deal.He’s a bubble player. They should be looking at alternatives. And I thought he had one of his better games last night.

    He’s a RHD and we have a total of one without him.

    He’s had one excellent year, and one poor one.

    This would actually be the best time to sign him at a low AAV with term

  78. Scungilli Slushy says:

    DBO: Really? no precedent for a defensive dman to get that money out of his entry level deal. Seems like most fall into the 4 to 4 mill category short of them getting 40 plus points. Now, it would be so Chia to overpay him.

    Man the Russell deal is a killer. I even like Russell. But Nurses people will be like, he gets $4 mill, I am worth 6. Hurts.

    Be afraid. Maybe a bridge is a good idea so he doesn’t get paid for offense that never comes.

    I have been messing around with Capfriendly and friends it isn’t pretty for next year.

    The D salaries are really going to jam up the cap. They may have to offload salary beyond not re signing Maroon and anyone else beyond low salaries. That is with the cap at 79M. There is a lot of bonus potential again.

  79. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    DBO: Really? no precedent for a defensive dman to get that money out of his entry level deal. Seems like most fall into the 4 to 4 mill category short of them getting 40 plus points. Now, it would be so Chia to overpay him.

    Man the Russell deal is a killer. I even like Russell. But Nurses people will be like, he gets $4 mill, I am worth 6. Hurts.

    There was no precedent for Drai getting 8.5MM either.

    Pasternak getting 6.7MM a few days after Leon’s contract was signed confirmed Peter was bidding himself up.

    I expect Nurse contract to be above what everyone thinks it should be.

    It’s the price Peter pays.

  80. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    rickithebear: I have posted that for 10 years.

    Most on here think Goal dif (+/-)is a poor Stat to determine a teams success.

    The discourse on here is enjoyable.
    But highly argumentative.

    Anyhow!

    Back to populating my server!

    Bear sighting!!

  81. frjohnk says:

    Woodguy v2.0: There was no president for Drai getting 8.5MM either.

    Pasternak getting 6.7MM a few days after Leon’s contract was signed confirmed Peter was bidding himself up.

    I expect Nurse contract to be above what everyone thinks it should be.

    It’s the price Peter pays.

    But, but…..center, big, playoffs,offer sheet

  82. hunter1909 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I expect Nurse contract to be above what everyone thinks it should be.
    It’s the price Peter pays.

    Also, no NHL GM wants to give him anything aside from terrible, ridiculous deals

  83. McSorley33 says:

    If Sleppy had any real friends they would Tonya Harding Letestu.
    ( Same with Kass )

    You can’t make chicken soup out of Chicken Po…..well, you get it.

  84. frjohnk says:

    This summer watch the cap not move as high as first thought.

    Nurse gets $6M over 8 years with a NMC as soon as he can get it.

    Because he is big
    A 5 tool Dman
    Might get offer sheeted
    Would have been good in playoffs if the team made it.

    Chia trades Nuge for Cody Eakins for cap space because he is worried that Nurse is going to get offer sheeted.

  85. Wilde says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Bear sighting!!

    I feel famous.

  86. hunter1909 says:

    frjohnk:
    This summer watch the cap not move as high as first thought.

    Nurse gets $6M over 8 years with a NMC as soon as he can get it.

    Because he is big
    A5 tool Dman
    Might get offer sheeted
    Would have been good in playoffs if the team made it.

    Chia trades Nuge for Cody Eakins for cap space because he is worried that Nurse is going to get offer sheeted.

    This team is getting close to losing a few long term fans, many of whom are only Tier 2 but still…

  87. anjinsan says:

    If Draisaitl is being played at McDavid’s RW to keep McDavid’s frustration level tolerable, then the franchise is in (financial, possibly Prongerian) damage control.

  88. Woogie63 says:

    I watched the positioning of the refs last night. When they were the back ref;

    St. Pierre was positioned on the offensive side of the center line (closer to the play).

    O’Halloran was closer to the defensive blue line- buddy has lost a step.

    Made me wonder as the league speeds up do the refs get in the right spot to call the game?

    If you have the worlds fastest player and an older crew what is being missed.

  89. OriginalPouzar says:

    Talbot back on the ice today and Brossoit assigned to Bakersfield.

  90. OriginalPouzar says:

    J-Bo:
    I’m actually starting to come around on Strome. Not that the trade was full value, but that we could be looking at a bonfire 3C – which was a big gamble in the trade. I’m hopeful they actually play him 3 C when Nuge returns for the remainder of the season. If he can be a good 3C long term, the trade will be worth it and it gives us great options in our top 6 with Drai and Nuge.

    I have been thinking this for a little while now.

    Of course, not enough evidence to say that Strome can fill a 3C hole, however, he has done a solid job over the last 3 weeks or so and I’m excited to see if he can keep up this level of play for the rest of the year.

    I think his offensive creativity and scoring chance production over the last 3 weeks is not well represented by his box cars.

    I’m still not sure about the $3M QO and if he’s worth that but that can be figured out.

  91. OriginalPouzar says:

    hunter1909: This is why Chiarelli has to go NOW.

    He’s been proven incompetent. The Hall trade, the Reinhart fiasco, Eberle for a washed up prospect.

    Spin this any way you like, Chiarelli’s a proven idiot.

    I would encourage you to watch the Edmonton Oiler hockey game as the “washed up prospect” has played solid hockey over the last 3-4 weeks, in my opinion, on of our more consistent forwards. Nope, he’s not as dynamic offensively than the player he was traded for but he’s starting to carve himself a role on this team. Perhaps he’s settling in and running with an opportunity at center.

  92. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    frjohnk: But, but…..center, big, playoffs,offer sheet

    I swear to Gord I wrote precedent and my phone changed it.

    I was texting my wife and I watched it change the word “available” to “abominable”

    Kinda changed the tone of the text

  93. digger50 says:

    JimmyV1965:
    To my eye, I saw the McDavid and Drai line get hemmed into their own zone a whole bunch last night. They were both cheating for offence in the dzone and not at all supporting their dmen. When they got into the ozone it was fine, but I thought they were both lazy in the dzone.

    I second this.

    And….. Caggiula was by far the hardest working Oiler on the ice. He has earned his icetine.

  94. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oilman99: There are not enough top six players available without Nuge to allow Mc D and Drai to play on the same line.

    There are not enough top 6 wingers to not have Leon play on the wing given the center depth.

  95. digger50 says:

    OriginalPouzar: I have been thinking this for a little while now.

    Of course, not enough evidence to say that Strome can fill a 3C hole, however, he has done a solid job over the last 3 weeks or so and I’m excited to see if he can keep up this level of play for the rest of the year.

    I think his offensive creativity and scoring chance production over the last 3 weeks is not well represented by his box cars.

    I’m still not sure about the $3M QO and if he’s worth that but that can be figured out.

    Just looking back at that Toronto roster for a minute. Where would Strome slot in on that roster

  96. godot10 says:

    Maroon does not have to be trade OR sign. It can be trade him now, collect a draft pick, AND sign him later

  97. jtblack says:

    If Peter wants to keep Maroon; we are Looking at too mich $$ and term.

    I would prefer we trade maroon for picks and then use the $3.5 ish he would have made on a speedier winger ..??

    who knows. this teade deadline scares me ….. Peter under pressure scares me

  98. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10:
    Maroon does not have to be trade OR sign.It can be trade him now, collect a draft pick,AND sign him later

    I have been beating this drum for a while now although I don’t think it comes to fruition. Just going off memory, I don’t think the trade and then re-sign happens very often but I sure hope they raise the idea with Maroon and even maybe settle on parameters of a new deal.

    I’d be OK if we re-signed him now if the deal came in at $3.5M or less but, ultimately, I want the futures that we will acquire and then attempt to re-sign him in the off-season (if we can’t spend the money/cap better another way).

  99. digger50 says:

    I did enjoy the game, Connors goals in particular.

    However I still came to the conclusion that Todd has to go.

    – still doesn’t have a single line or pairing set
    – still no effort to change special teams
    – has not shown ability to coach up a single youngster
    – keeps talking about sticking to the process, a failed process

    This team will not win with Todd as coach.

  100. OriginalPouzar says:

    Doesn’t sound like Larsson will be back in the lineup for Monday:

    “We’ll continue to support the Larsson family & give Adam all the the time & help he needs.” Coach McLellan on @AdamLarsson3 dealing with the passing of his father

  101. OmJo says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    As per Chris Johnston:

    Sad, sad story. Reports out of Sweden say Robert Larsson has died while visiting his son, Adam, in Edmonton.

    Robert Larsson was only 50. Flags are flying at half-mast in Skelleftea. Condolences to Adam and his family

    https://t.co/dKv26MraW7?ssr=true

    I hope this information was released with the consent of Larsson’s family.

  102. OmJo says:

    J-Bo:
    I’m actually starting to come around on Strome. Not that the trade was full value, but that we could be looking at a bonfire 3C – which was a big gamble in the trade. I’m hopeful they actually play him 3 C when Nuge returns for the remainder of the season. If he can be a good 3C long term, the trade will be worth it and it gives us great options in our top 6 with Drai and Nuge.

    Strome has major inconsistency problems. I have time for him, and a roster spot, if he’s signed before his QO.

    Some might say it was him getting used to a different team but didn’t he have the same consistency issue in NY? Also, contract year. I’m wary of him.

  103. jtblack says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Doesn’t sound like Larsson will be back in the lineup for Monday:

    “We’ll continue to support the Larsson family & give Adam all the the time & help he needs.” Coach McLellan on @AdamLarsson3 dealing with the passing of his father

    OH shit. condolences to Adam. Terrible news.

  104. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Pescador: I really want to agree with you, 17/18 Matty B
    has not been 16/17 MB
    Straight lines and such, probably that awful concussion is to blame.
    I’m not trading OK either, there has to be a way to improve 2RD without trading away the following:
    1st round picks, 93 or 77

    The big IF is Klef and Benning being an effective 2nd pair.

    If you can sign a UFA better than Benning for similar money maybe that would help short term, but your moving out youth for old, that may not work out well down the road when Russell and Sekera are gone.

    Bear and Mantha et al aren’t sure bets to even make the NHL, let alone play top 4 any better than Benning or as good, at this point.

    The NMCs are going to hurt next season without major upheavals. I don’t see a safe way out unless there is a multi player trade.

    Such as Nuge and Benning for Barrie and some very good centre or LW prospect or the like, and hope to heck Strome and/or Khaira step up well. Maybe Carolina would be a fit with Faulk if he’s any good these days.

  105. OriginalPouzar says:

    – still no effort to change special teams
    – has not shown ability to coach up a single youngster

    1) While not effective last night, the PP was definitely changed up – Leon was on the left half wall (with Strome on the right half wall) and Connor up near the point. Letestu was nowhere to be seen. While nothing has worked or is currently working, there is effort to change and, in fact, the PP units were out at the community rink prior to last practice.

    There is effort to change but, so far, no execution (either by the coaching staff and/or the players)

    2) Darnell Nurse, Jujhar Khaira, Jesse Puljijarvi

    If he takes the blame for the kids that haven’t progressed then he has to get recognition for those that have, does he not?

  106. OriginalPouzar says:

    OmJo: I hope this information was released with the consent of Larsson’s family.

    I think so – the Oilers twitter account have made official tweets about it today as well.

  107. hunter1909 says:

    OriginalPouzar: I would encourage you to watch the Edmonton Oiler hockey game as the “washed up prospect” has played solid hockey over the last 3-4 weeks, in my opinion, on of our more consistent forwards.Nope, he’s not as dynamic offensively than the player he was traded for but he’s starting to carve himself a role on this team.Perhaps he’s settling in and running with an opportunity at center.

    I hear you. Strome seems like a decent player. Eberle on the other hand, seemed like an outstanding player.

    Now. I understand Chiarelli+the MSM like to have as many fans as possible worrying about cap considerations etc; while running players out of town on a rail with the regularity of a Swiss clock.

  108. godot10 says:

    J-Bo:
    I’m actually starting to come around on Strome. Not that the trade was full value, but that we could be looking at a bonfire 3C – which was a big gamble in the trade. I’m hopeful they actually play him 3 C when Nuge returns for the remainder of the season. If he can be a good 3C long term, the trade will be worth it and it gives us great options in our top 6 with Drai and Nuge.

    “recency bias” is a thing.

  109. JD_Wry says:

    Pescador:
    Anything else?

    Another loose expansion draft coming up.

  110. godot10 says:

    frjohnk: I wonder if Nurses camp brings up not only the Matheson contract $4.8M AAV but Ristolianens contract as well $5.4M.Risto and Nurse drafted next to each other.Risto signed his contract after he got 41 points in 15-16.Two years later and Nurse will probably hit 30 points and is better defensively.Nurse probably does not get $5.4M but its probably not far away from Ristos contract if they go long.

    Prediction: If Nurse gets to July 1, I believe he will be offersheeted at four or five x $6 million.

  111. godot10 says:

    Oilman99: Maroon’s value has decreased after last years career year,the cost to replace is going to be more than keeping him. If he wants to stay,get it done!

    Rich Nash has made a lot of money in his career. He might be willing to play with McDavid or Draisaitl on a short term two year deal. He is bigger, faster, with a better shot, and is a solid defensive player, who can also PK. (Ken Hitchcock finishing school grad).

  112. Scungilli Slushy says:

    godot10: Prediction:If Nurse gets to July 1, I believe he will be offersheeted at four or five x $6 million.

    Or Chia trades away Nuge to fend off a potential offer sheet and sits on a pile of cap after signing Nurse 8 x 6.5M anyways.

  113. frjohnk says:

    I think Strome is sort of in that spot in which he is a bottom 6 player, he does not PK, not great on the dot, not great defensively, will split time between PP1/PP2 and factoring in that we need to have more value contracts in the bottom 6, its possible the Oilers cut bait on him at the deadline so they have at least for sure an asset to sure for going into summer

    EDIT: Im not sure but if the Oilers dont give him a qualifying offer of $3M he becomes UFA right?

  114. godot10 says:

    digger50: Just looking back at that Toronto roster for a minute. Where would Strome slot in on that roster

    The Marlies

  115. JimmyV1965 says:

    Wilde: He’s a RHD and we have a total of one without him.

    He’s had one excellent year, and one poor one.

    This would actually be the best time to sign him at a low AAV with term

    Benning has not had one excellent year. He had a good stretch of about 20 or 30 games before he got hurt. There’s a narrative out there that he and Nurse played well in the playoffs. They didn’t. They were bad. Nurse improved big time this year. I hope Benning is better and I bring him back on one-year deal at the lowest price possible, one that can be buried without impacting the cap. Anything else is foolhardy.

  116. godot10 says:

    When Pittsburgh didn’t qualify Justin Schultz, they offered him a one year deal with a 60% salary reduction.

    The equivalent offer for Strome would be one year for $1.2 million.

  117. OmJo says:

    OriginalPouzar: I think so – the Oilers twitter account have made official tweets about it today as well.

    Okay, good. It was kept out of the media for a while so I was worried somebody happened upon the news and leaked it. Maybe they wanted time to mourn in peace for a little bit.

  118. Bling says:

    godot10: The Marlies

    Haha

  119. Scungilli Slushy says:

    If the cap goes up to 80M Chiarelli has after a bonus cushion of 2.5M before any more ELCs come on to the roster just over 16.5M to sign 10 roster players.

    RFA’s
    More established and needing a raise
    Nurse
    Benning
    Strome

    Less established maybe not needing a big raise
    Broissoit
    Caggiula
    Davidson
    Pakarainen
    Slepy

    UFA’s
    Needing a raise
    Maroon

    Not necessarily needing a raise
    Auvitu
    Cammalleri
    Letestu

    I imagine they want to sign Nurse to 8 years, he’ll take around 5M of that 16.5. Not a lot of wiggle room. Even if they bridge him, it wouldn’t be for a lot less would it?

  120. Scungilli Slushy says:

    godot10:
    When Pittsburgh didn’t qualify Justin Schultz, they offered him a one year deal with a 60% salary reduction.

    The equivalent offer for Strome would be one year for $1.2 million.

    That would help.

  121. Wilde says:

    digger50: I second this.

    And….. Caggiula was by far the hardest working Oiler on the ice. He has earned his icetine.

    Yeah, fuck McDavid and Draisaitl, go Caggiula!!!

    JimmyV1965: Benning has not had one excellent year. He had a good stretch of about 20 or 30 games before he got hurt. There’s a narrative out there that he and Nurse played well in the playoffs. They didn’t. They were bad. Nurse improved big time this year. I hope Benning is better and I bring him back on one-year deal at the lowest price possible, one that can be buried without impacting the cap. Anything else is foolhardy.

    How is being the best possession defenseman relative to the team not excellent?

    And the best goal share one?

    And the best one away from 97?

    The best version of this team was the one with the Swedes together, and Sekera-Benning playing well. That was the cup contender heart of the order.

  122. digger50 says:

    Wilde,

    Your words, not mine

  123. digger50 says:

    godot10,

    Thanks Godot

    That’s my point

  124. Wilde says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    If the cap goes up to 80M Chiarelli has after a bonus cushion of 2.5M before any more ELCs come on to the roster just over 16.5M to sign 10 roster players.

    RFA’s
    More established and needing a raise
    Nurse
    Benning

    Less established maybe not needing a big raise
    Davidson

    UFA’s
    Needing a raise
    —–

    Not necessarily needing a raise
    Cammalleri

    I imagine they want to sign Nurse to 8 years, he’ll take around 5M of that 16.5. Not a lot of wiggle room. Even if they bridge him, it wouldn’t be for a lot less would it?

    This is who I’d keep. Everyone else for a mix of picks, and 19-22 year old forwards.

    Only reason I wouldn’t keep Auvitu and Slepyshev is because the coach has no balls, and hates Russians, respectively.

    Cammaleri, I want to re-sign in the summer. Still would deal him at the deadline though.

    And of course, Maroon for Ho-Sang.

  125. digger50 says:

    OriginalPouzar: 1) While not effective last night, the PP was definitely changed up – Leon was on the left half wall (with Strome on the right half wall) and Connor up near the point. Letestu was nowhere to be seen. While nothing has worked or is currently working, there is effort to change and, in fact, the PP units were out at the community rink prior to last practice.

    There is effort to change but, so far, no execution (either by the coaching staff and/or the players)

    2) Darnell Nurse, Jujhar Khaira, Jesse Puljijarvi

    If he takes the blame for the kids that haven’t progressed then he has to get recognition for those that have, does he not?

    I’m afraid I cannot agree with you OP

    These systems are the equivalent of beating a dead horse. You can do cpr all season, or you can change.

    I think JP has progressed despite the gelpnhe has received from Todd. Bumped by Yaner at the start of the year, sent down had to be great for his confidence. Played well with Connor but bumped again. Todd does not recognize him.

    JJ cane out of nowhere. Todd had him as a tweeter or fourth liner. JJ proved his worth, not sure how much help he had.

    I can agree on Nurse.

    It’s a good quality to look for good and see good. Unfortunately I’m just seeing confusion this year and it’s reflected in performance.

  126. who says:

    JimmyV1965: Benning has not had one excellent year. He had a good stretch of about 20 or 30 games before he got hurt. There’s a narrative out there that he and Nurse played well in the playoffs. They didn’t. They were bad. Nurse improved big time this year. I hope Benning is better and I bring him back on one-year deal at the lowest price possible, one that can be buried without impacting the cap. Anything else is foolhardy.

    This all day long.
    Benning had a good half year last year. By playoff time he was alternating with Gryba as the sixth dman.
    I would sign him for 1 year at 1 million until he shows me something. I would consider trading him but I doubt he has much value. Probably safer to see if he can improve.
    And I don’t care which way he shoots. I’m tired of hearing how good he is and how we have to keep him because he shoots right.

  127. frjohnk says:

    Wilde: Cammaleri, I want to re-sign in the summer.

    2 goals in 28 games as an Oiler.
    36 years old this summer.

    Younger, faster upgrade is needed in that spot

  128. Wilde says:

    digger50:
    Wilde,

    Your words, not mine

    Wanna know something mind-blowing about Cagguila?

    He’s been so bad, that he drags down McDavid when they’re on the ice.

    Caggiula without McD: 8 goals for, 15 goals against. -7.

    McD and Caggiula: 7 goals for, 10 goals against. -3.

    McD without Caggiula: 43 goals for, 29 against. +14.

    The net negative effect of Caggiula costs us 7+3=10 goals.

    The net positive effect of McDavid gives us 50-39=11 goals.

    He’s so bad it’s like we don’t have the best player in the world.

  129. Wilde says:

    who: This all day long.
    Benning had a good half year last year. By playoff time he was alternating with Gryba as the sixth dman.
    I would sign him for 1 year at 1 million until he shows me something. I would consider trading him but I doubt he has much value. Probably safer to see if he can improve.
    And I don’t care which way he shoots. I’m tired of hearing how good he is and how we have to keep him because he shoots right.

    You’re tired of us having no RHD? Me too.

    We had one pairing that was L-R last night.

    They outshot the opposition 31-11.

    We had two pairings that were L-L last night.

    They GOT outshot 18-36.

    As for Benning not having a good year last year, I don’t know what to tell you. Everything objective says otherwise. Also betting on the playoffs gives you a 2.0M overpay on our 1RW.

  130. Wilde says:

    frjohnk: 2 goals in 28 games as an Oiler.
    36 years old this summer.

    Younger, faster upgrade is needed in that spot

    Yes, I wouldn’t just give him a spot in the top 9.

    But I’d have him signed if the younger, faster, upgrade needs to be sent down, or gets injured.

  131. digger50 says:

    Wilde: Wanna know something mind-blowing about Cagguila?

    He’s been so bad, that he drags down McDavid when they’re on the ice.

    Caggiula without McD: 8 goals for, 15 goals against.

    McD and Caggiula: 7 goals for, 10 goals against.

    McD without Caggiula: 43 goals for, 29 against.

    The net negative effect of Caggiula costs us 7+3=10 goals.

    The net positive effect of McDavid gives us 50-39=11 goals.

    He’s so bad it’s like we don’t have the best player in the world.

    I have seen you post these numbers before. You refuse to give him any credit at all.

    Where he has value is his sheer effort and determination. On a team that has hardly shown up this season, that’s value.

    When he came in as a rookie they played him third line center. Why? He was a rookie left winger.

    This year they try him first line right wing. He may be way over his head there but again, he didn’t ask for the assignment. Saying he’s crap because coach has him too far up the lineup is unfair.

    Now if we had a fourth line of Caggiula – Khaira – Kassian that would be a hell of an energy line worthy of cup contention.

    Problem is we need to fill in all the spots above these guys.

  132. Wilde says:

    digger50: I have seen you post these numbers before. You refuse to give him any credit at all.

    Where he has value is his sheer effort and determination. On a team that has hardly shown up this season, that’s value.

    When he came in as a rookie they played him third line center. Why? He was a rookie left winger.

    This year they try him first line right wing. He may be way over his head there but again, he didn’t ask for the assignment. Saying he’s crap because coach has him too far up the lineup is unfair.

    Now if we had a fourth line of Caggiula – Khaira – Kassian that would be a hell of an energy line worthy of cup contention.

    Problem is we need to fill in all the spots above these guys.

    I AM giving him credit.

    I’m giving him credit for what he’s accomplished.

    I can find you a lot of guys with ‘sheer effort and determination’ who have no place on a winning hockey club.

    Have you considered that part of the reason he looks like he’s giving 100% all the time is because he HAS to, because he can’t make the proper plays with any fluidity? Talented players make plays look easy.

    You’re reading the numbers but you’re missing something: He isn’t just drowning when he’s first line winger. He’s drowning everywhere else. At. A. Worse. Pace. Than. Against. Top. Competition.

    I just can’t believe, that after shipping out all of the players that had alleged effort problems, watching our team sink while theirs thrive, that people can still trot out this ideology. After watching it explode a prospective dynasty right in front of their eyes.

    We moved all of the guys that had attitude problems. And now the guys replacing them are getting blamed.

    The common denominator here is not coincidentally every single skilled player to come through this town is a problem personality, or is poor defensively, it’s the eyes of the viewer relentlessly wanting to perceive it as so.

  133. Melvis says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    So which is it ?

    Is she available…or abominable.? Or both. The hounds in this crowd.would like to know.

    You and Bendelson. That’s a crew I want in on. Really.

    I can cook, and I clean up real good…so I’m told.

  134. digger50 says:

    Wilde: I AM giving him credit.

    I’m giving him credit for what he’s accomplished.

    I can find you a lot of guys with ‘sheer effort and determination’ who have no place on a winning hockey club.

    Have you considered that part of the reason he looks like he’s giving 100% all the time is because he HAS to, because he can’t keep up otherwise?

    You’re reading the numbers but you’re missing something: He isn’t just drowning when he’s first line winger. He’s drowning everywhere else. At. A. Worse. Pace. Than. Against. Top. Competition.

    I just can’t believe, that after shipping out all of the players that had alleged effort problems, watching our team sink while theirs thrive, that people can still trot out this ideology, after watching it explode a prospective dynasty right in front of their eyes.

    We moved all of the guys that had attitude problems. And now the guys replacing them are getting blamed.

    The common denominator here is not every single skilled player to come through this town has a problem personality, or being poor defensively,it’s the eyes of the viewer relentlessly wanting to perceive it as so.

    Maybe this is the old math vs eye discrepancy. I’ll still take Drake as a part of the team

    Now I see you are trying to trap me with Drake is good, Connor is bad language. On that note, Connor and Drai do like to cheat for offenders, it’s a fact. I don’t hold that against them, that’s thier primary job; to score goals for this club. Same as it was for Hall and Eberle. It’s not a criticism but an observation.

    You won’t find a single comment from me questioning attitude of those who left. I question why the organization built such a negative environment for those players to play in. Why couldn’t the organization build an environment where they could thrive? And salvage the skill that was present in so many.

    Snickers time.

  135. 106 and 106 says:

    frjohnk,

    The cap in the summer goes up to account for offer sheets. The whole “we saved space for Leon getting offered” wasn’t actually true.

    Just bad rationale.

    We have cap to save Nurse regardless.

    Plus it’s the NHL.

    Offer sheets don’t exist.

  136. who says:

    Wilde: You’re tired of us having no RHD? Me too.

    We had one pairing that was L-R last night.

    They outshot the opposition 31-11.

    We had two pairings that were L-L last night.

    They GOT outshot 18-36.

    As for Benning not having a good year last year, I don’t know what to tell you. Everything objective says otherwise. Also betting on the playoffs gives you a 2.0M overpay on our 1RW.

    And betting on the results of one game is what?
    Benning was in decline the second half of last season and he hasn’t been good, so far, this season. Do you dispute this?
    I hope he can turn it around which is why I would hang on to him. I just get tired of posters writing him into our top 4 just because he shoots right. Based on his performance this year he is our 6th or 7th best dman.
    Drai, on the other hand, has looked like an impact player for 2 and a half years now and is having another good year. I have no problem with his contract.
    I also have no problem paying Nurse 5 million or more for 8 years. Pay your stars. Keep your core. Chia’s problem is overpaying his role players, like Benning.

  137. jtblack says:

    PC missed the boat on addressing RHD.

    He missed on adding veteran RW.

    Here is another Bee in my Bonnett. Back up Goalie. Look at some of the playoff bound teams and how important a quality backup has been.

    ANA -RYAN MILLER
    COL- BERNIER
    ST.LOUIS- HUTTON
    SAN JOSE- DELL

    EDM is over .500 when Talbot plays (albeit barely).

    Not sure if Montoya is the Answer, but we need a Quality Back up for next season. FULL STOP

  138. OriginalPouzar says:

    hunter1909: I hear you. Strome seems like a decent player. Eberle on the other hand, seemed like an outstanding player.

    Now. I understand Chiarelli+the MSM like to have as many fans as possible worrying about cap considerations etc; while running players out of town on a rail with the regularity of a Swiss clock.

    You are changing the point or “moving the goalposts” – I have not once, ever, defended the trade as good value, necessary, a good trade or anything of the sort. In fact, I was one of the most pissed off Oiler fans at the time (in particular when Russell was signed within hours) and, prior to the trade, was one of the few that didn’t think he “needed to go”.

    Anyways, the only point I’m making with Strome is in response to those that talk about “no return” for Eberle or, in this case “washed up prospect” given his good arrows over the last month.

  139. bendelson says:

    Fun story: I just bumped into a pack of Oilers at a local coffee shop here on campus…
    Lots of attention on McDavid and Nurse who were happy to pose for pictures.
    Meanwhile, JJ Khaira sat alone at the table, without disruption…
    I felt bad for him, so I made eye contact and gave him my best ‘cool guy’ head nod on my way out.
    He responded in-kind.

  140. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10: “recency bias” is a thing.

    Players settling in to a new team after half a season and performing better in a consistent role is a thing.

  141. J-Bo says:

    godot10: “recency bias” is a thing.

    Right. That is why I am hoping they make him 3C for the remainder. We need to see whether he can find consistency as a two way centre for us. Work him on the PK too and see what you have. If he turns out be a solid 3C things look better.

    On another note, here is a possible roster for next year…

    Maroon (4m) – McDavid (12.5m) – Puljujarvi (.925m – 2.5 bonus) = 17.425m
    Lucic (6m) – Nuge (6m) – Draisaitl (8.5m) = 20.5m
    Khaira (.675m) – Strome/Ryan (3m) – Caggiula (1.5m) = 5.175m
    Cammalleri (1m) – Matthias (1m) – Kassian (1.95m) = 4.2m
    Extra forwards (.7m) & (.7m) = 1.4m
    Total = 48.45 m

    Nurse (4.5m) – Larsson (4.167m)
    Klefbom (4.167m) – Benning (2m)
    Sekera (5.5m) – Russell (4m)
    Davidson (1.75m)
    Total = 26.084m

    Talbot (4.167m)
    Montoya (1.06m)
    Total = 5.227m

    Pouliot – Buyout (1.33m)

    Cap Hit Total = 79.761 plus 2.5 possible bonuses

    It isn’t necessarily ideal. It doesn’t leave any room for Puljujarvi to hit bonuses. It gets a few UFA’s/RFA’s at decent prices.

    They need to rid themselves of a bigger contract on forward and have Yamamoto play. Maybe make that 3rd line: Caggiula – Khaira – Yamamoto?

    The whole thing looks like a bit of a hot mess to me… Any suggestions for possible lineups next year that might actually fit under the cap and leave room for Pool party to hit his bonuses?

  142. McSorley33 says:

    COH –

    Played just 7:35 in a diminishing role that included just 10 seconds on special teams. In 7½ minutes of even strength play the Oilers failed to generate a single shot on net (4 against). Was flat-out owned by Nikita Zadorov one-on-one in the play that led directly to the first Avs goal.). 2/5=40% on the dot.
    ***************************************************************************************************************I
    Hi Alex – Mark Letestu for $100.

    Groundhog day watching Testube trying to generate a shot on net.

  143. jtblack says:

    OPEN LETTER TO GM’s WHO DON’T ADDRESS THEIR MOST PRESSING NEEDS:

    CGY – Ask your average fan and the biggest issue for CGY was secondary scoring. So the GM …. brought in a DEFENSIVE defenseman. Current standing: OUP (Out Of Playoffs)

    MTL – needed a #1 or #2 Center. GM trades best prospect for … a WINGER. Current Standing. OUP.

    EDM – Need a capable RHD. GM re signs marginal LHD (Russell). Current standing: OUP

    Please GM’s. When you burn your teams assets; please make sure you actually address the most pressing area.

    EDM has needed 2 or 3 RHD since PC took over.

    1st attempt. LHD REINHART disaster
    2nd attempt. LARSSON. huge cost
    3rd attempt. Benning Decent for sure
    4th Attempt. RUSSELL signng

    why cant he just go get a RHD. Its not that hard.

  144. OriginalPouzar says:

    frjohnk:
    I think Strome is sort of in that spot in which he is a bottom 6 player, he does not PK, not great on the dot, not great defensively, will split time between PP1/PP2 and factoring in that we need to have more value contracts in the bottom 6, its possible the Oilers cut bait on him at the deadline so they have at least for sure an asset to sure for going into summer

    EDIT: Im not sure but if the Oilers dont give him a qualifying offer of $3M he becomes UFA right?

    Strome has not played on the PK in the past but neither did Pouliot nor Kassian before they became Oilers.

    Strome has been used on the PK the last two games. Against the flames he played over 3.5 minutes on the PK and, although I don’t know his shot suppresion metrics, didn’t get scored on.

    We only had one PK last night and he started the PK with Leon and they didn’t get scored on (nor did COL get a scoring chance while they were out there).

    Who knows, maybe he can be a valuable player on the PK – there is only one way to find out.

    He hasn’t been great on the faceoffs this year but hasn’t been given consistent draws – I think he hovers around 50% for his career.

    I think he is just fine defensively (better than the lines of Leon, Connor and, these days, Letestu), a decent battler on the boards and has definite offensive creativity.

    He is playing much better these days – I have no issues with the current version of Strome on my 3rd line – the question is if he can bring this level of play consistently.

  145. SwedishPoster says:

    frjohnk: 2 goals in 28 games as an Oiler.
    36 years old this summer.

    Younger, faster upgrade is needed in that spot

    Cammaleri looks a lot like an NHL player, he does a lot of the things an NHL player typically do on the ice but he doesn’t perform like an NHLer. On the surface he is, in reality he ain’t. He even has the coaches fooled. You see the shot and the occasional smarts and think yeah he still got it but over a stretch of games he’s just there without much going on.

  146. Wilde says:

    who: And betting on the results of one game is what?
    Benning was in decline the second half of last season and he hasn’t been good, so far, this season. Do you dispute this?
    I hope he can turn it around which is why I would hang on to him. I just get tired of posters writing him into our top 4 just because he shoots right. Based on his performance this year he is our 6th or 7th best dman.
    Drai, on the other hand, has looked like an impact player for 2 and a half years now and is having another good year. I have no problem with his contract.I also have no problem paying Nurse 5 million or more for 8 years. Pay your stars. Keep your core. Chia’s problem is overpaying his role players, like Benning.

    It was an example.

    I’m in favour of paying Benning low AAV and 3 years and only having to fill 2RD, not 2RD and 3RD.

    Benning will be an above average, third pairing puckmover on some team. I hope it is ours.

    He has, as it stands, played more good games than bad in Oilers silks, sometimes while playing up the lineup.

    digger50,

    I’m not accusing you of being who I was writing about.

    But after every game I see someone talking about our good players cheating, and our role players putting in more effort.

    This time it was you.

  147. OriginalPouzar says:

    EDIT: Im not sure but if the Oilers dont give him a qualifying offer of $3M he becomes UFA right?

    Correct – they can sign him for less at that time (but so can any other team). They can also negotiate a lower cap hit prior to the QO deadline. Strome may sign for a bit lower in order to get 2-3 years.

  148. McSorley33 says:

    bendelson,

    Fun story: I just bumped into a pack of Oilers at a local coffee shop here on campus…
    Lots of attention on McDavid and Nurse who were happy to pose for pictures.
    Meanwhile, JJ Khaira sat alone at the table, without disruption…
    I felt bad for him, so I made eye contact and gave him my best ‘cool guy’ head nod on my way out.
    He responded in-kind.
    *************************************************************
    Great story.

    Real solid gesture on your part as well…..

  149. frjohnk says:

    OriginalPouzar: I think he hovers around 50% for his career.

    44.8%

    OriginalPouzar: I think he is just fine defensively, a decent battler on the boards and has definite offensive creativity.

    Not lately, but at the beginning of the year he was in many ” also in the picture” goals and scoring chances against. Not terrible, but I dont see him good defensively.
    I agree he is decent on the boards and has some offensive creativity.

    OriginalPouzar: I have no issues with the current version of Strome on my 3rd line – the question is if he can bring this level of play consistently

    Consistency is definitely a factor with him. He would disappear for games at a time with the Islanders, has done the same here. Has been better in the last while.

    To be honest, I wouldnt mind seeing him with McDavid for a trial run, Strome has a good shot, McDavid needs a shooter. As for those that think Strome has not deserved it, take a look at our winger depth and there are many who have played with McDavid who have not deserved it.

  150. Scungilli Slushy says:

    I think it’s safe to say Benning who is only a year older than Nurse and not in his pedigree class can’t carry a possession drain or injured partner around. Sometimes Nurse can’t either. Or Larsson.

    Benning seems to be ok with a good player playing well like last night. Or last year.

  151. frjohnk says:

    SwedishPoster: Cammaleri looks a lot like an NHL player, he does a lot of the things an NHL player typically do on the ice but he doesn’t perform like an NHLer. On the surface he is, in reality he ain’t. He even has the coaches fooled. You see the shot and the occasional smarts and think yeah he still got it but over a stretch of games he’s just there without much going on.

    Yup. I think with the speed of the game increasing while his boots have slowed, has hurt him.

    Was a great player in his day.

  152. frjohnk says:

    OriginalPouzar: Correct – they can sign him for less at that time (but so can any other team).They can also negotiate a lower cap hit prior to the QO deadline.Strome may sign for a bit lower in order to get 2-3 years.

    thanks, I wonder if he has the opportunity to hit UFA, he just might go to UFA and sign elsewhere.
    He may feel he is not a fit on this team and look for another opportunity

  153. leadfarmer says:

    jtblack:
    OPEN LETTER TO GM’s WHO DON’T ADDRESS THEIR MOST PRESSING NEEDS:

    CGY – Ask your average fan and the biggest issue for CGY was secondary scoring.So the GM …. brought in a DEFENSIVE defenseman.Current standing: OUP (Out Of Playoffs)

    MTL – needed a #1 or #2 Center. GM trades best prospect for …a WINGER. Current Standing. OUP.

    EDM – Need a capable RHD.GM re signs marginal LHD (Russell). Current standing: OUP

    Please GM’s. When you burn your teams assets; please make sure you actually address the most pressing area.

    EDM has needed 2 or 3 RHD since PC took over.

    1st attempt.LHD REINHART disaster
    2nd attempt.LARSSON.huge cost
    3rd attempt. Benning Decent for sure
    4th Attempt. RUSSELL signng

    why cant he just go get a RHD. Its not that hard.

    It has most definitely been hard. Chia has made plenty of mistakes but he’s definitely tried very hard to fix the RHD spot. He was in on Hamilton, and PK that got traded elsewhere. He traded for Larsson. People have not been moving RHD. The only established RHD that was traded that I can think of that we weren’t in on is Vatanen and that may be due to divisional rivalry. It seems like the market on D may open up slightly in the next couple of years so we will see if that happens. Chia is guilty of a lot of things but not being involved in trades is not one of them

  154. Pescador says:

    SwedishPoster: Strome looks a lot like an NHL player, he does a lot of the things an NHL player typically do on the ice but he doesn’t perform like an NHLer. On the surface he is, in reality he ain’t. He even has the coaches fooled. You see the shot and the occasional smarts and think yeah he still got it but over a stretch of games he’s just there without much going on.

    Same Same but different

  155. OriginalPouzar says:

    Shane Starret starting for the Condors tonight – looking forward to seeing how he does.

  156. Scungilli Slushy says:

    On a brighter note, the Oilers current top four when healthy is 25,24,23,22 YO. Not one in a defenceman’s prime yet.

    With a healthy Sekera and Russell used less I think it’s not bad looking ahead.

  157. prefonmich says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    I agree with this view and observation. Despite my frustrations with coaches ever changing lines and reverting to the Mcdavid and Drai pairing as his go to I think the rest of this season is prime opportunity to see where the players fit.or if they fit.
    Strome has looked better as a centre and with JJ as well as good on pk in two games. Keep him there to end of season.

    Kass and Test and Cags have all been terrible on pk. Keep them off for now. Maybe try JJ there.
    Also need to stick with pairs for 10 games so guys can get used to each other. Can rotate a third player to mix it up but keep pairs together.
    My take on pairs:
    McD PJ
    Luc Drai
    Strome JJ
    Most likely these guys will all be here next year. See which pairs work and reevaluate after 10 maybe 15 games. Use this time.

  158. Wilde says:

    frjohnk: 44.8%

    Not lately, but at the beginning of the year he was in many ” also in the picture” goals and scoring chances against.Not terrible, but I dont see him good defensively.
    I agree he is decent on the boards and has some offensive creativity.

    Consistency is definitely a factor with him.He would disappear for games at a time with the Islanders, has done the same here.Has been better in the last while.

    To be honest, I wouldnt mind seeing him with McDavid for a trial run, Strome has a good shot, McDavid needs a shooter.As for those that think Strome has not deserved it, take a look at our winger depth and there are many who have played with McDavid who have not deserved it.

    Problem with projecting a shooter onto McDavid’s line, is that a lot of guys that play down the lineup may have a good shot, but not a good ‘playing with McDavid’ shot.

    Success shooting with McDavid is reliant on a few things:

    -having good netside hand eye to bat stuff into the net, or slightly change the angle of the shot from its reception (this is Maroon’s moneymaker)

    -having a good ‘outside of wheelhouse’ one timer, and being able to absolutely laser beam roof job stuff that IS actually in the wheelhouse (Draisaitl’s OT winners are a good look at this)

    -being able to receive hard passes and getting a snapshot off that can beat goalies clean

    Strome’s shot is more of a wrist slinger. He needs the time and space. He’s more of a high-slot shooter than anything

    Also, weighing in on Stromes value, he’s a legitimately good, low event player away from McDavid. Him and Khaira are money against 3line competition.

    That being said, he’s also a RHC on low money and we’re sellers at the deadline. That’s first round pick material.

  159. Scungilli Slushy says:

    SwedishPoster: Cammaleri looks a lot like an NHL player, he does a lot of the things an NHL player typically do on the ice but he doesn’t perform like an NHLer. On the surface he is, in reality he ain’t. He even has the coaches fooled. You see the shot and the occasional smarts and think yeah he still got it but over a stretch of games he’s just there without much going on.

    True.

    McLellan and maybe Chiarelli also don’t like stick wavers and swoopers. I think this is why Lander was never given a push.

    When players a a tad slow for the NHL or not aggressive enough they skate toward their check and the puck gets moved before they get there. They end up doing circles moving to the next point they are late to, swinging the stick at them, but not engaging or getting the puck enough, or stopping the breakout or play.

    Slepy has been guilty but I wonder about his injury and missing training affecting him. Strome is often like this.

    JP on the other hand has the ability to catch players and often steals the puck or breaks plays up. Cagguila I think is favoured because of his assertiveness and he’s quick enough. Too bad about the not getting much done many games.

  160. Wilde says:

    prefonmich:
    OriginalPouzar,

    I agree with this view and observation. Despite my frustrations with coaches ever changing lines and reverting to the Mcdavid and Drai pairing as his go to I think the rest of this season is prime opportunity to see where the players fit.or if they fit.
    Strome has looked better as a centre and with JJ as well as good on pk in two games. Keep him there to end of season.

    Kass and Test and Cags have all been terrible on pk. Keep them off for now. Maybe try JJ there.
    Also need to stick with pairs for 10 games so guys can get used to each other. Can rotate a third player to mix it up but keep pairs together.
    My take on pairs:
    McD PJ
    Luc Drai
    Strome JJ
    Most likely these guys will all be here next year. See which pairs work and reevaluate after 10 maybe 15 games. Use this time.

    Yes yes yes. These are the money pairings. I wrote about them earlier:

    97+98: +1.46G/60

    29+27: +2.16G/60

    16+18: +1.67G/60

    That’s their outscoring rate, not just the goals they score. The net goal differential.

    Fourth lines issue is easy to solve as well. Kassian should be a plus player there if someone talks to him about actually covering his man at the point in the DZ, and if we replace Letestu.

  161. prefonmich says:

    Wilde,

    Sorry Wilde I did read your post earlier. Should have referenced it in my post. Much better with the numbers to validate those pairings!! Not sure how many games we have before deadline but I think if they stick with these pairings and find complimentary player types it’s a good start for next season. Continuing to experiment to a significant degree well into the season like they have this year doesn’t give players a chance to learn tendencies and build chemistry.

  162. JimmyV1965 says:

    Wilde: Yeah, fuck McDavid and Draisaitl, go Caggiula!!!

    How is being the best possession defenseman relative to the team not excellent?

    And the best goal share one?

    And the best one away from 97?

    The best version of this team was the one with the Swedes together, and Sekera-Benning playing well. That was the cup contender heart of the order.

    What were his possession numbers last year? Do you have them pre-injury and post-injury? Not super interested in goal share numbers. And I don’t seem to recall him playing very much with Sekera. I would find it very interesting if the possession numbers and eye test are that far apart. That he had excellent possession numbers would be very surprising.

  163. Woogie63 says:

    Maroon and Letestu are our amongst slower Oiler forward…. team speed is about about to improve more than 15%.

    If the team gets some burners as replacement… the make up of this team will significantly change.

  164. JimmyV1965 says:

    Wilde: It was an example.

    I’m in favour of paying Benning low AAV and 3 years and only having to fill 2RD, not 2RD and 3RD.

    Benning will be an above average, third pairing puckmover on some team. I hope it is ours.

    He has, as it stands, played more good games than bad in Oilers silks, sometimes while playing up the lineup.

    digger50,

    I’m not accusing you of being who I was writing about.

    But after every game I see someone talking about our good players cheating, and our role players putting in more effort.

    This time it was you.

    I don’t even have an issue giving Benning a three-year deal, as long as it’s something like $1 mill AAV. At least then you can bury him in the minors and not impact your cap. Any deal for multi years that takes up cap room is a huge mistake.

  165. who says:

    Wilde: It was an example.

    I’m in favour of paying Benning low AAV and 3 years and having only having to fill 2RD, not 2RD and 3RD.

    Benning will be an above average, third pairing puckmover on some team. I hope it is ours.

    digger50,

    I’m not accusing you of being who I was writing about.

    But after every game I see someone talking about our good players cheating, and our role players putting in more effort.

    This time it was you.

    Well okay then. I may have misread your post Thought you were suggesting giving him 2.5 x2. If you are suggesting 1.25 x2 I can live with that.
    I see him as a third pairing guy. And I wonder if Bear, Mantha, etc. don’t have just as high a ceiling. I would like to be able to bury most of his contract in the minors if he gets passed by others. I would be careful about giving this player term.

  166. OriginalPouzar says:

    Excuse my ignorance but how is goal share/goal differential different from plus/minus which already excludes PPG for and PKG against?

  167. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Correct – they can sign him for less at that time (but so can any other team).They can also negotiate a lower cap hit prior to the QO deadline.Strome may sign for a bit lower in order to get 2-3 years.

    Pittsburgh didn’t reward Justin Schutlz with two or three years. He had to take a one year contract and a 60-65% pay cut. There is no reason to offer Strome more than one year and less than $1.5 million

  168. Moose says:

    Seravalli has his “Match Game” up at TSN for Maroon, listing St. Louis, Minnesota and Nashville as most likely destinations.

    Minnesota is kinda the most interesting to me, they’d probably need to move a contract to make the deal work, and preferably money for next year because the have to sign Zucker and Dumba. So, would you take on the last year of Tyler Ennis ($4.6) at say 50% retained if it meant getting a ready to play guy like Sam Anas (RHC)? He’s scoring in the AHL and looks blocked there by their forward depth. I’m not sure what happened to Ennis, seems like he hasn’t been the same guy since the knee injury in Buffalo, but haven’t watched Minny enough to know for sure. Still seems like a guy you could play in your bottom six for a year.

    St Louis has been discussed to death as a possible destination because of the Blues wealth of ready or close to ready prospects (Thompson, Schmaltz, Kyrou, Kostin, Thomas).

    Nashville seems like the least likely fit, unless you LOVE a prospect like Rem Pitlick or you think someone like Pontus Aberg could break out with a change of scenery or bigger opportunity. Would they even trade a bottom 6 roster player at this point?

    Food for thought.

  169. OriginalPouzar says:

    For those that have soured on Sekera due to his poor play since his returns from injury, lets not forget that this was to be expected and today he spoke directly to it. As expected coming off this surgery, he’s not 100% physically, he still has mobility issues and its further complicated by the brace that he needs to wear which further limits his mobility.

    Lets not forget that, when healthy, Reggie is arguably our best d-man, our most consistent d-man, steady both defensively, offensively and in transition.

    He should be 100% next season and we will essentially be adding a new elite 2nd pairing (low end 1st pairing) d-man.

    There has been talk about the desire to get out from under this contract, maybe ask him to waive his NMC, etc. Lets not forget how important he is to this team (and I think we have seen in over the past 4 months). Unless we are getting for value for him, we need him in our lineup in October – he is a good hockey player and should be 100% (it takes a year usually).

    https://oilersnation.com/2018/02/02/sekera-on-acl-montoya-on-preparation-and-more/

  170. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10: Pittsburgh didn’t reward Justin Schutlz with two or three years.He had to take a one year contract and a 60-65% pay cut.There is no reason to offer Strome more than one year and less than $1.5 million

    I’m not sure why you keep comparing Shultz to Strome – the only comparison is the fact that both players may not be qualified.

    Shultz was so materially overpaid for his recent performance that, to me, its not comparable to Strome who, while likely isn’t worth $3M, its not as perverse as Shultz and his $4M.

    In fact, well, in my opinion, if Strome plays the rest of the season like he has the last 3 weeks, he is pretty darn close to worth $3M.

  171. JimmyV1965 says:

    Moose:
    Seravalli has his “Match Game” up at TSN for Maroon, listing St. Louis, Minnesota and Nashville as most likely destinations.

    Minnesota is kinda the most interesting to me, they’d probably need to move a contract to make the deal work, and preferably money for next year because the have to sign Zucker and Dumba. So, would you take on the last year of Tyler Ennis ($4.6) at say 50% retained if it meant getting a ready to play guy like Sam Anas (RHC)? He’s scoring in the AHL and looks blocked there by their forward depth. I’m not sure what happened to Ennis, seems like he hasn’t been the same guy since the knee injury in Buffalo, but haven’t watched Minny enough to know for sure. Still seems like a guy you could play in your bottom six for a year.

    St Louis has been discussed to death as a possible destination because of the Blues wealth of ready or close to ready prospects (Thompson, Schmaltz, Kyrou, Kostin, Thomas).

    Nashville seems like the least likely fit, unless you LOVE a prospect like Rem Pitlick or you think someone like Pontus Aberg could break out with a change of scenery or bigger opportunity. Would they even trade a bottom 6 roster player at this point?

    Food for thought.

    We’ve got plenty of cap room this year. I would eat the entire contract if it’s only one year and we get legit prospect, rather than a pick. Hey, maybe this is what Chia was thinking all along. Lol.

  172. Moose says:

    JimmyV1965,

    Sorry, should have clarified, he has ANOTHER year left at $4.6m. As in NEXT YEAR. That’s why I said 50% retained. Think of him as a possible Strome replacement if they decided to move on from him.

  173. bendelson says:

    Melvis: You and Bendelson. That’s a crew I want in on. Really.

    Best be careful what you wish for Melvis, my friend…

  174. Wilde says:

    JimmyV1965,

    Okay so, Benning played mostly with two pairings, but I’ll throw a third in, so I can make a point later:
    With Sekera, 305 minutes:

    54.5% CF
    54.6% FF
    56.2% SCF
    62.9 HDCF

    With Nurse, 248 minutes:
    51.1% CF
    49.6% FF
    53.4% SCF
    49.8% HDCF

    With Klef, 77 minutes:
    55.0% CF
    55.6% FF
    53.6% SCF
    *45.1% HDCF

    * actual count is 19-23

    And, for the concussion theory, basically the entire team was playing poor possession hockey in the last 20 games of the year, but he still took a dive as we know.

    But for this year, I mean, the partners he had his tremendous success with last year were both injured. Sekera on IR, and Klef should have been, based on the difference between when he started the year and his shocking resurgence of late.

    The reason I included Klef by the way, is that I have a theory that while he’s a mobile puck mover, he actually plays better with another puck mover on his pairing.

    Which is why it’s tough to find him a pairing even right now, because Russell’s not gonna work, Nurse is used vs elites, Davidson’s not gonna work, basically now that Klef looks to be back in business the problem might be solved but otherwise, damn.

    Blessing in disguise, having him downtrend in a lost season.

    If he delivered another season like the last, as a RHD, he’d probably get offersheeted.

    I’m not trying to be funny, he really might have.

  175. Wilde says:

    Moose,

    In my mind, if we’re giving them Maroon AND taking a salary dump, we should get two assets back, not one.

    And they signed Anas for nothing, him and a 2nd should should be fair. Throw in one of our AHLers to contract equalise.

  176. Melvis says:

    bendelson,

    Intelligience, wry humour, nuance, stats, subtlety, good food, good booze, good stories….wives.

    What more could one wish for?

  177. Melvis says:

    Melvis,

    Oh yeah, I almost forgot. A good hockey team.

  178. Moose says:

    Wilde,

    I’ve now spent the last 30 minutes down the Tyler Ennis highlight rabbit hole. I think the guy can still play; can still skate. So maybe it wouldn’t be a PURE salary dump. He’s in the 12-14 minute a night range most games on a pretty deep team. Minny doesn’t have a 2nd this year but they have 3 thirds. I think it’s one of those things where the return would be based on how much salary we’d eat. Can’t see the Oilers taking $4.6m with the amount of guys who still need deals and the other holes to fit. At that point might as well say Maroon.

    Also, if you’re making that kinda deal, you’re moving on from Ryan Strome.

  179. Wilde says:

    Moose:
    Wilde,

    I’ve now spent the last 30 minutes down the Tyler Ennis highlight rabbit hole. I think the guy can still play; can still skate. So maybe it wouldn’t be a PURE salary dump. He’s in the 12-14 minute a night range most games on a pretty deep team. Minny doesn’t have a 2nd this year but they have 3 thirds. I think it’s one of those things where the return would be based on how much salary we’d eat. Can’t see the Oilers taking $4.6m with the amount of guys who still need deals and the other holes to fit. At that point might as well say Maroon.

    Also, if you’re making that kinda deal, you’re moving on from Ryan Strome.

    I’m already in favour of dealing Strome. His value at the deadline, if they play it properly, will be extremely high.

    Is there a better pure rental centre on the market?

    Edit: yeah I’m digging on Ennis right now, and holy shit Nino Niederreiter is a player.

  180. Extend Russell says:

    Guys almost pulled out a win last night with the backup in no RnH and missing their best tough minutes defenseman.
    Typical fun filled dramatic game.

    I’d suggest in light of Adams real and heartbreaking loss we all drop the negativity for a couple days eh? Ya buncha hosers..

  181. JD_Wry says:

    Melvis:
    Melvis,

    Oh yeah, I almost forgot. A good hockey team.

    Hey, whoa there Melvirino! Take the good booze part and be happy!

  182. jtblack says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Shane Starret starting for the Condors tonight – looking forward to seeing how he does.

    +1

    & Stuart Skinner returns to face his old club tonight.

  183. jtblack says:

    Woogie63:
    Maroon and Letestu are our amongst slower Oiler forward…. team speed is about about to improve more than 15%.

    If the team gets some burners as replacement… the make up of this team will significantly change.

    I agree with this. The Question is, will PC add burners? This yr he added Jokinen. released him and added Cammy Both slow boots. Throw in the Strone trade and he actually made us a bit slower.

    I do hope you are correct and he adds 1 or 2 burners.

  184. Wilde says:

    jtblack: I agree with this. The Question is, will PC add burners?This yr he added Jokinen. released him and added Cammy Both slow boots. Throw in the Strone trade and he actually made us a bit slower.

    I do hope you are correct and he adds 1 or 2 burners.

    Yamamoto can skate.

    Yamamoto for Calder.

  185. jtblack says:

    Wilde: Yamamoto can skate.

    Yamamoto for Calder.

    Hes got good speed I was thinking a Hagelin or Grabner / Byron. something like that on top of Yammy

  186. Wilde says:

    jtblack: Hes got good speed I was thinking a Hagelin or Grabner / Byron.something like that on top of Yammy

    If we can move Russell’s contract, Grabner would be amazing on this team. Best even strength G/60 in the league.

    Goals, away from 97, at evens?

    Yes fuckin please.

  187. Scungilli Slushy says:

    jtblack:
    If Peter wants to keep Maroon; we are Looking at too mich $$ and term.

    I would prefer we trade maroon for picks and then use the $3.5 ish he would have made on a speedier winger ..??

    who knows. this teade deadline scares me….. Peter under pressure scares me

    Grabner would be a good fit. I have no idea what he wants for $ but he has made a lot more than Maroon to this point. He has a similar career lately.

    If he would sign for double his current $ it would have more upside than Maroon because he is fast and PKs. Much less likely a big drop off. He is also 15th in goals. LW with JP RW.

    Two guys that can skate with Connor, one that can score now and JP learning and helping drive play.

    And maybe they don’t make Connor PK as much.

  188. Moose says:

    Wilde,

    Agree on Strome. I think the number one goal in any Maroon/Strome trades is to have a reasonable expectation that the return at least replaces Maroon. There are too many holes to fill to make deals for just picks or prospects that are 2-3 years away from contributing. It sounds like Chiarelli recognizes this from his comments the other night.

    If you can somehow pry Hoffman out of Ottawa without gutting the already thin prospect pool, and get something for Maroon you can plug into the lineup next year, then that goes a long way towards fixing the forward group.

    Minnesota is a great team to target, IMO. Detroit is another (have to sign Athanasiou, Larkin and Mantha). Can you get Nyquist or Tartar for 75 cents on the dollar? Will be interesting to see what other teams maybe start to shed salary because they think Tavares might hit the market.

  189. jtblack says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Grabner would be a good fit. I have no idea what he wants for $ but he has made a lot more than Maroon to this point. He has a similar career lately.

    If he would sign for double his current $ it would have more upside than Maroon because he is fast and PKs. Much less likely a big drop off. He is also 15th in goals. LW with JP RW.

    Two guys that can skate with Connor, one that can score now and JP learning and helping drive play.

    And maybe they don’t make Connor PK as much.

    +1. Peter needs to execite something like this. I love Maroon but not for 3 or 4 more years at ANY price. Hes in the wrong side of age for an average skater (see Lucic).

    Paul Byron can burn and PK. Boedkker? surely PC can find a burner who can help the PK and score a few goals If they are good enough to play with McD, that would be awesome.

  190. Munny says:

    godot10: “recency bias” is a thing.

    As is confirmation bias.

  191. OriginalPouzar says:

    Moose:
    Wilde,

    Agree on Strome. I think the number one goal in any Maroon/Strome trades is to have a reasonable expectation that the return at least replaces Maroon. There are too many holes to fill to make deals for just picks or prospects that are 2-3 years away from contributing. It sounds like Chiarelli recognizes this from his comments the other night.

    If you can somehow pry Hoffman out of Ottawa without gutting the already thin prospect pool, and get something for Maroon you can plug into the lineup next year, then that goes a long way towards fixing the forward group.

    Minnesota is a great team to target, IMO. Detroit is another (have to sign Athanasiou, Larkin and Mantha). Can you get Nyquist or Tartar for 75 cents on the dollar?Will be interesting to see what other teams maybe start to shed salary because they think Tavares might hit the market.

    The problem is, we have to shed salary in order to acquire any of these players.

  192. Moose says:

    OriginalPouzar: The problem is, we have to shed salary in order to acquire any of these players.

    Probably, the question is how much? If the cap is $80m, you have $19m.

    Let’s say you get Hoffman without a roster player. He takes Maroon’s spot. That leaves $14m to replace:

    3 D – Nurse, Davidson, Benning

    6 F – Strome, Letestu, Cammalleri, Slepyshev, Pakarinen

    – The real key to the off-season is Nurse. If they can somehow bridge him, it opens a LOT of things up. If not, the options are less. It’s Chia, so assume he gets the Klef/Larsson contract.

    – Davidson and Benning are $2.5m combined.

    That’s 7.5 for the remaining 6F forwards (assuming you’re carrying 14F)

    – Maroon trade hopefully brings a ready-to-play prospect. A guy like Anas is an RFA (less than $1m).

    – Yamamoto takes Slepyshev’s spot, cuz he’s undoubtedly off. Doubtful he hits major bonuses.

    – Letestu replacement for the 4C? $1.5 – 2m?

    – If Strome wants to come back, he has to take a haircut. You can’t qualify him at that number.

    – Your 13 and 14F shouldn’t cost you more than $1.5 combined.

    Tight but doable, and that of course is if you return the exact same D.

    At some point the Oilers are gonna look up and realize they are paying a one of Sekera or Russell to play on their third pair at the cost of $4-5.5m and realize they have to deal one to either address the right side properly or fix the F’s.

  193. JimmyV1965 says:

    Wilde:
    JimmyV1965,

    Okay so, Benning played mostly with two pairings, but I’ll throw a third in, so I can make a point later:
    With Sekera, 305 minutes:

    54.5% CF
    54.6% FF
    56.2% SCF
    62.9 HDCF

    With Nurse, 248 minutes:
    51.1% CF
    49.6% FF
    53.4% SCF
    49.8% HDCF

    With Klef, 77 minutes:
    55.0% CF
    55.6% FF
    53.6% SCF
    *45.1% HDCF

    * actual count is 19-23

    And, for the concussion theory, basically the entire team was playing poor possession hockey in the last 20 games of the year, but he still took a dive as we know.

    But for this year, I mean, the partners he had his tremendous success with last year were both injured. Sekera on IR, and Klef should have been, based on the difference between when he started the year and his shocking resurgence of late.

    The reason I included Klef by the way, is that I have a theory that while he’s a mobile puck mover, he actually plays better with another puck mover on his pairing.

    Which is why it’s tough to find him a pairing even right now, because Russell’s not gonna work, Nurse is used vs elites, Davidson’s not gonna work, basically now that Klef looks to be back in business the problem might be solved but otherwise, damn.

    Blessing in disguise, having him downtrend in a lost season.

    If he delivered another season like the last, as a RHD, he’d probably get offersheeted.

    I’m not trying to be funny, he really might have.

    Thanks.
    I appreciate you digging up those numbers. Those really are great numbers. Maybe my memory from last year is faulty. Geez. Benning.

  194. OriginalPouzar says:

    There are many many variables – the Nurse contract can have a wide $2M range in my opinion and that, right there, is the ability to fill a hole or not.

    When you mention Russell or Sekera to go – there really is no coversation there. Although the NMC is a huge problem, there is such a vast difference in ability between those two players, it has to be Russell to go.

    I know that people are soured on Sekera but they should read the Gregor piece on ON – we all expected him to struggle this year but a large part of the fan-base seems to have forgot that now that its happened.

    Reggie was express that his mobility is limited and its causing him problems and the brace he wears in making it worse. He’s far from 100% but should be for camp next season.

    Lets not forget, a 100% Sekera is arguably our best d-man. We are going to be adding an elite 2nd pairing (lower echelon 1st pairing) d-man next year that is good for 40 points.

  195. JimmyV1965 says:

    Moose: Probably, the question is how much? If the cap is $80m, you have $19m.

    Let’s say you get Hoffman without a roster player. He takes Maroon’s spot. That leaves $14m to replace:

    3 D – Nurse, Davidson, Benning

    6 F – Strome, Letestu, Cammalleri, Slepyshev, Pakarinen

    – The real key to the off-season is Nurse. If they can somehow bridge him, it opens a LOT of things up. If not, the options are less. It’s Chia, so assume he gets the Klef/Larsson contract.

    – Davidson and Benning are $2.5m combined.

    That’s 7.5 for the remaining 6F forwards (assuming you’re carrying 14F)

    – Maroon trade hopefully brings a ready-to-play prospect. A guy like Anas is an RFA (less than $1m).

    – Yamamoto takes Slepyshev’s spot, cuz he’s undoubtedly off. Doubtful he hits major bonuses.

    – Letestu replacement for the 4C? $1.5 – 2m?

    – If Strome wants to come back, he has to take a haircut. You can’t qualify him at that number.

    – Your 13 and 14F shouldn’t cost you more than $1.5 combined.

    Tight but doable, and that of course is if you return the exact same D.

    At some point the Oilers are gonna look up and realize they are paying a one of Sekera or Russell to play on their third pair at the cost of $4-5.5m and realize they have to deal one to either address the right side properly or fix the F’s.

    If you can get an impact player like Hoffman, and I really doubt you can, you do it and then pick and choose who you resign.

    Nurse is obvious. Then Strome at the right price. And the rest of them you keep who you can. I would rather have Hoffman and a bunch of guys at league minimum than the guys you listed, excluding Nurse.

    I just can’t see how we get Hoffman. This could be a three-year project folks.

  196. JimmyV1965 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    There are many many variables – the Nurse contract can have a wide $2M range in my opinion and that, right there, is the ability to fill a hole or not.

    When you mention Russell or Sekera to go – there really is no coversation there. Although the NMC is a huge problem, there is such a vast difference in ability between those two players, it has to be Russell to go.

    I know that people are soured on Sekera but they should read the Gregor piece on ON – we all expected him to struggle this year but a large part of the fan-base seems to have forgot that now that its happened.

    Reggie was express that his mobility is limited and its causing him problems and the brace he wears in making it worse.He’s far from 100% but should be for camp next season.

    Lets not forget, a 100% Sekera is arguably our best d-man.We are going to be adding an elite 2nd pairing (lower echelon 1st pairing) d-man next year that is good for 40 points.

    +1000. Sekera is the least of our problems.

  197. Moose says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    I’m not soured on Sekera AT ALL. Knee injuries always take a full year. It has more to do with having value in any deal. Sekera has real value and Russell has negative value as far as I’m concerned. Who knows, there’s always one GM who comes along and takes the contract nobody thinks can be moved. If you’re chasing scorer up front, Sekera will have value to someone. Anyone taking Russell from you is going to be doing you a favor.

    Agree 100% on Nurse numbers. All the off-season maneuvers are going to depend on where that number falls. In that sense, I hope it get’s done quickly and doesn’t tie things up like the Draisaitl negotiations did.

  198. Moose says:

    JimmyV1965: If you can get an impact player like Hoffman, and I really doubt you can, you do it and then pick and choose who you resign.

    Nurse is obvious. Then Strome at the right price. And the rest of them you keep who you can. I would rather have Hoffman and a bunch of guys at league minimum than the guys you listed, excluding Nurse.

    I just can’t see how we get Hoffman. This could be a three-year project folks.

    Agree, get McDavid his shooter and cobble together a bottom six with cheap vets, and hope Benson and Yamamoto can contribute soon.

    The depressing thing about this exercise is realizing how there has been absolutely nothing at the minor league and prospect level for years in this organization. No young, value contracts contributing and pushing up. It’s shocking. Khaira is basically the entirety of the development system from the last 5 years.

  199. Moose says:

    JimmyV1965: If you can get an impact player like Hoffman, and I really doubt you can, you do it and then pick and choose who you resign.

    Nurse is obvious. Then Strome at the right price. And the rest of them you keep who you can. I would rather have Hoffman and a bunch of guys at league minimum than the guys you listed, excluding Nurse.

    I just can’t see how we get Hoffman. This could be a three-year project folks.

    I tried to make this point on twitter a while back, but I think it’s really deserves more attention in the conversation. Finding a shooter/finisher for McDavid’s line would go SO far in patching over some of this teams perceived holes.

    Just thinking about the sheer number of chances McDavid creates on a nightly basis, if you could finish off one or two more of those chances that are currently being whiffed on by this collective band of misfiring wingers (Lucic and Caggiula come firmly to mind), it would be an enormous needle mover. In a 3-2 league, with the most dominant player in the game creating the way he does? No brainer for me that it’s priority number one.

    I’d almost be willing to run the same lineup back next year with the exception of adding a Hoffman (or similar) and count on there being no possible way the special teams could be this bad again, and a full year of a healthy Sekera (not to mention 77).

  200. OriginalPouzar says:

    To one point in the earlier post – Yamamoto’s bonuses are a non-issue – I believe he signed a contract commensurate for a 22nd overall pick and the performance bonuses are in the $200K/season range.

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