McDavid Freeway

Connor McDavid in full flight is poetry—pure speed, creativity, astonishing hand-eye, intoxicating. I’m sure there are other things on planet earth that delight the brain and shock the eye as much or more, but in the northern city of Edmonton No. 97 is the only game in town. Last night, the young man gifted fans with something very special. You hold on to these moments, they are worthy of being remembered for a lifetime. Jesus, Mary and Joseph what a hockey player.

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I LIKE YOU, LLOYD. I ALWAYS LIKED YOU, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • February 2016: 2-0-0, goal differential +9 (4 points)
  • February 2017: 0-2-0, goal differential -3
  • February 2018: 1-0-1, goal differential +3 (3 points)

Interesting start to the month in all three seasons. The 15-16 bunch were celebrating Connor McDavid’s return (he was back for both February games) and the 2016-17 group were in a lull before breaking off an insane run to the final bell. This year’s model? They’re on a good run now, fun game last night.

AFTER 51, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers 15-16: 20-26-5, goal differential -26 (45 points)
  • Oilers 16-17: 28-15-8, goal differential +21 (64 points)
  • Oilers 17-18: 23-24-4, goal differential -20 (50 points)

It’s taken all season but the Oilers are close to a point-per-game pace and could make it so with a victory tomorrow night. Huzzah! There were some really good things going on last night, wonder if this crew can push back into the outer edges of the playoff race before spring. They are 5-1-1 in the last seven, that’s some stout brew.

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM FEBRUARY

  • At home to: Colorado, Tampa Bay (Expected 0-1-1) (Actual 1-0-1)
  • On the road to: Los Angeles, Anaheim, San Jose (Expected 1-1-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Florida (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Vegas, Arizona, Colorado (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Boston, Colorado (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Los Angeles, Anaheim, San Jose (Expected 0-2-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 5-6-3, 13 points in 14 games
  • Current results: 1-0-1, three points in two games

The Oilers got three out of four points at home and are ahead of my projection. I have them grabbing three points from the three road games this week, it will be interesting to see how much success they have in California. The Kings are 4-6-0 in their last 10, put the boots to Arizona on the weekend.

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

  • Sekera-Davidson went 17-8 together in 14:01, 7-2 in scoring chances and no goals were scored during 5×5. Went 11-5 against Kunitz-Callahan-Peca. Sekera had at least one stressful moment but the pairing kept the puck going in a good direction.
  • Nurse-Russell went 12-20, and 2-1 GF in 15:40. SC’s were 10-8 on the night, they were 10-10 against Kucherov-Namestnikov-Stamkos and that’s the top line in TBAY. The GA was on Nurse’s stick for an instant but he couldn’t do much with it.
  • Klefbom-Benning were 12-22 in 15:25 (equal playing time during the evening for the three pairings). Went 7-9 in scoring chances, faced Killorn-Gourde-Peca and went 5-14. That line is diabolical. Klefbom didn’t clear on a PK GA, he had more heartbeats that Nurse to move it but couldn’t fire the neurons.
  • Cam Talbot stopped 31 of 33, .939. His return to form would be an exceptional turn for the entire organization. I thought he played quite well last night.
  • NaturalStatTrick and NHL.com.

FORWARDS, LAST NIGHT

  • Slepyshev-Letestu-Pakarinen went 11-6 in 7:19 and the Pakarinen goal came at 5×5. I like the trio, good to see Slepy grab a point. The point of a four line is to get the puck deep, forecheck, keep the play 200 feet from the net. Line did a good job it and scored to boot.
  • Maroon-Strome-Caggiula had some real chem, going 12-12 in 11:31 together. Were 5-5 in scoring chances and there were no goals. Strome had a terrific game and has five points in his past three games. I like him at center, and have really liked his last few games. He had a run starting with the Boston game awhile back too, hopefully this current hot streak runs a little longer for him. Nice chem with Caggiula.
  • Cammalleri-McDavid-Draisaitl were 13-20 together in 15:10, 3-0 in GF and 6-0 in HD scoring chances. Were 7-12 against the Stamkos line but were 1-0 in GF against them. Hedman was effective against McDavid, they’ll no doubt see a lot of each other in the final. 97 said he had a good nap when asked about the brilliant performance, what a talented player.
  • Lucic-Khaira-Puljujarvi went 9-13 together, 0-1 in GF, 7-6 in SCF and 4-3 in HDSC’s. There were several good moments for the line, I thought Lucic had his best game in some time, had some nice looks. Puljujarvi is using his speed well, Khaira is crashing, too. I like him at center.

Worth every penny and more, next year’s contract will remain a bargain. McDavid began last night’s game No. 13 in scoring, today he is tied for No. 3. He now leads the NHL  in even-strength points.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, TSN1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Jonathan Willis, The Athletic. Oilers big win last night, cap dictates deadline.
  • Andy McNamara, TSN. Eagles win! Browns own the draft!
  • Scott Cullen, TSN. Handicapping the NHL playoffs.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter.

 

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  1. bendelson says:

    Now, THAT’s entertainment!

  2. Surly says:

    Great win over the league’s top team with no RNH and no Larsson. What the heck would our management team do without 97!

    Bring on the California road trip.

  3. barry.moore23 says:

    McMagic !!!!!!!

  4. Oilman99 says:

    McDavid makes it worth every penny to watch his magic,brings flashbacks from the eighties watching the Grea One. Missing the playoffs doesn’t hurt quite as much watching a show like last night.

  5. OriginalPouzar says:

    Heck of a game last night.

    The first ten minutes were a track meet and, after that, the Oilers were the better team (score effects in the third).

    McDavid – can you imagine if he becomes so consistent that he brings that game night in and night out – is that even a realistic scenario? Is it possible to go supernova night in and night out.

  6. Offside says:

    McDavid is the reason you never turn off your tv or refuse to watch the games – no matter how poorly the Oilers are playing. Those of you who lived through the Gretzky trade should especially know better. Don’t rob yourself of seeing the greatest moments in hockey history as they happen.
    McDavid could be earning more than Katz and still be a bargain

  7. Lowetide says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Heck of a game last night.

    The first ten minutes were a track meet and, after that, the Oilers were the better team (score effects in the third).

    McDavid – can you imagine if he becomes so consistent that he brings that game night in and night out – is that even a realistic scenario?Is it possible to go supernova night in and night out.

    History tells us the key for Edmonton is to close the gap between what happens when McDavid is on the ice versus when McDavid is off the ice. All 97 has to do is be himself, mature as a player and stay healthy.

  8. OriginalPouzar says:

    I’m enthused about the continued plus play of Ryan Strome – his last two games have been his best of the season but its been a month now since he was moved to center and he’s been one of the top forwards on the team during that stretch.

    He seems to have developed some chemistry with Caggulia – is that the makings of a decent/good third line? Keeps Caggulia away from the top 6.

    Strome is also continuing to see PK time and, from my eye, has been a top unit/2nd unit PK for four games now and not been on the ice for a goal against.

    30 games to go to see if this is real but, if it is, it might just be worth $3M for the full time 3C and PK spot – we can load up the top 6 with Nuge and Drai for a year until we have a winger prospect or two ready to take a top 6 winger spot and we can have unicorns!

  9. OriginalPouzar says:

    Sekera with 0 time on special teams last night. The coaching staff has adjusted to his current mobility issues and he is playing a bit better with reduced minutes and sole even strength time.

    I am excited for a 100% healthy Sekera on October – that is a material and substantial addition to the lineup.

  10. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    Drew Remenda needs a lot of help up there.

  11. dustrock says:

    Took my 6 year old daughter to the game last night, a friend was kind enough to give us tickets. Section 104, Row 12, what a view.

    Her first hockey game live was maybe McDavid’s finest game. Sorry honey, they’re not all that exciting.

    A few things I’ve noticed live (first game I’ve seen live this year):

    (1) Drai was clearly the 2nd best player on the night but only failed in comparison to McDavid. His little touch passes are insane. The goal he scored on the PP was great, he stayed out near the blueline and I was yelling “go go go go” and timed it perfectly for the cross-crease pass. Great instincts, he has way more of a nose for the net than I expected looking at his junior games.

    (2) Strome is a different player now. I get why some people are sour on him, but I find he plays a pretty safe game over the year to date. Last night, he was into it and he was flying.

    (3) Puljujarvi started off with a real strong game, you can see his frame and speed live. Very smart player. If Lucic didn’t have stone hands, should have had an assist. He faded a bit as time went on but you can see his potential.

    (5) We need a more talented D corpse. Hard to complain about anything last night but a lot of the magic was created by McDavid and Draisaitl. The breakouts and transitions are still often very poor, and it’s perhaps more noticeable live.

    (6) Kucherov was by far the most dangerous Bolt, but overall they looked tired and not enthusiastic to me.

    (7) We left after 2 periods because Monday night school night for the little one, but I’ll remember McDavid’s 2nd goal for the rest of my life.

  12. thehop says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Heck of a game last night.

    The first ten minutes were a track meet and, after that, the Oilers were the better team (score effects in the third).

    McDavid – can you imagine if he becomes so consistent that he brings that game night in and night out – is that even a realistic scenario?Is it possible to go supernova night in and night out.

    Get real.

    If it happens a couple times a year consider us lucky.

    You know he’s going to be the best player on the ice most nights and that’s enough for me.

  13. OmJo says:

    I think somebody in this organization tuned into the Lowdown a few weeks back

    This team has been a different team since the Sabres fiasco.

    Good stuff. Almost at fake .500!

  14. Pescador says:

    Lots of turning points in the game last night, no answer for the greatest player on earth being number.
    PP success number 2.
    The Oilers as group bullied & pounded on Tampa, they came out in the second and continued to throw their weight around. Nice to see them dominate another team physically, more please.

  15. OmJo says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Strome is streaky as all hell.

    If he won’t take a 1-year show-me deal, sail on “Dylan”… We have Nuge and maybe even Khaira for 3C.

  16. thehop says:

    **(2) Strome is a different player now. I get why some people are sour on him, but I find he plays a pretty safe game over the year to date. Last night, he was into it and he was flying.**

    My question is, has he done enough over the course of 51 games this season?

    The answer is a resounding no. Maybe he has played better in the last 15 games but his inconsistent play throughout the season is part of the reason why some folks here are already talking about the draft.

    Should they sign him?

    Sure. But he gets a one or two year deal at the current salary or less.

  17. thehop says:

    Pescador:
    Lots of turning points in the game last night, no answer for the greatest player on earth being number.
    PP success number 2.
    The Oilers as group bullied & pounded on Tampa, they came out in the second and continued to throw their weight around. Nice to see them dominate another team physically, more please.

    I thought speed was the new size?

  18. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    “Hedman was effective against McDavid, they’ll no doubt see a lot of each other in the final. ”

    I see what you did there. VOR is that you?

  19. frjohnk says:

    dustrock,

    awesome. Glad you both had a fantastic time.

  20. OriginalPouzar says:

    thehop: Get real.

    If it happens a couple times a year consider us lucky.

    You know he’s going to be the best player on the ice most nights and that’s enough for me.

    I asked a simple question – asking if it was realistic that he will develop the consistency to bring that game night in and night out and you reply with a condescending “get real”?

    How about you post your response/opinion without the pretentious attitude?

    I’m just trying to enjoy the community and talk about the Oilers.

  21. Brantford Boy says:

    Wow, that was entertaining to watch, that McDavid guy is ‘pretty good’…

    Go Oilers!

  22. OriginalPouzar says:

    OmJo:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Strome is streaky as all hell.

    If he won’t take a 1-year show-me deal, sail on “Dylan”… We have Nuge and maybe even Khaira for 3C.

    Sure, he has been streaky, as are many younger and developing players. Perhaps he learns to bring his game consistency with experience, development and settling in to his new team?

    If he is able to bring it for the last 30 games (for a total of 40), that is substantial and I would not be happy walking away from that player for nothing.

    Time will tell.

  23. frjohnk says:

    Lowetide: History tells us the key for Edmonton is to close the gap between what happens when McDavid is on the ice versus when McDavid is off the ice. All 97 has to do is be himself, mature as a player and stay healthy.

    If the Oilers want seconday scoring when McDavid is on the bench, its easy.
    They just have to draft another generational player and have him play when McDavid is on the ice.

  24. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    OriginalPouzar: Sure, he has been streaky, as are many younger and developing players.Perhaps he learns to bring his game consistency with experience, development and settling in to his new team?

    If he is able to bring it for the last 30 games (for a total of 40), that is substantial and I would not be happy walking away from that player for nothing.

    Time will tell.

    I like his game recently, too. That said we likely can’t afford him at $3M because Maroon/his replacement won’t be as cheap as $1.5M next year.

    Unless they are planning on trading Nuge.

  25. OriginalPouzar says:

    thehop:
    **(2) Strome is a different player now. I get why some people are sour on him, but I find he plays a pretty safe game over the year to date. Last night, he was into it and he was flying.**

    My question is, has he done enough over the course of 51 games this season?

    The answer is a resounding no. Maybe he has played better in the last 15 games but his inconsistent play throughout the season is part of the reason why some folks here are already talking about the draft.

    Should they sign him?

    Sure. But he gets a one or two year deal at the current salary or less.

    I agree that he has not done enough through the first 51 games overall, however, there is often a transition period for a player on a new team and, frankly, he was given no favors with his deployment at a different position with different linemates every 3 games.

    There is still 30 games to go and an important story line is which Ryan Strome is the one we can expect next year.

    If he is a plus player in the last 40, then that equals over half a season (sure, the “out of it” half of the season but still).

  26. thehop says:

    OriginalPouzar: I asked a simple question – asking if it was realistic that he will develop the consistency to bring that game night in and night out and you reply with a condescending “get real”?

    How about you post your response/opinion without the pretentious attitude?

    I’m just trying to enjoy the community and talk about the Oilers.

    I don’t agree with your take. Get over it. Nothing malicious intended. But feel free to tell me how express thoughts ….Dad.

    It’s unrealistic to expect that kind of performance with regularity. I’m saying because MCDavid is that good.. I’ll expect it a couple times a year.

  27. flea says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker),

    They’re gonna trade the Nuge, IMO. Strome is his replacement. Strome reminded me a little of the Nuge last night.

    Nuge for the other RHD they need.

    Nuge for (gulp) Weber (salary retained)

    Bigger deal and get them to throw in Gallagher/Galchenyuk to play with Connor.

  28. N64 says:

    flea:
    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker),

    They’re gonna trade the Nuge, IMO. Strome is his replacement. Strome reminded me a little of the Nuge last night.

    Nuge for the other RHD they need.

    Nuge for (gulp) Weber (salary retained)

    Bigger deal and get them to throw in Gallagher/Galchenyuk to play with Connor.

    ~ Strome can replace RNH for the Habs. Strome for Weber ~

  29. texmex says:

    flea,

    Nuge for Weber would be worse than the Larsson trade. Weber is 32 and signed until 2026 (or until he is 40 years old) at an AVV of 7.85 million. This place would explode in two years when our third pair is Russel and Weber.

    PS: this is not directed at you. I just see this trade proposal all the time on capfriendly arm chair GM.

    PPS: I think Chia moves one of the NMC in the off season somehow someway to save his job.

  30. dustrock says:

    Hedman reminds me a bit of Pronger in a way. He was just everywhere. He takes up a lot of the rink.

  31. JimmyV1965 says:

    flea:
    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker),

    They’re gonna trade the Nuge, IMO. Strome is his replacement. Strome reminded me a little of the Nuge last night.

    Nuge for the other RHD they need.

    Nuge for (gulp) Weber (salary retained)

    Bigger deal and get them to throw in Gallagher/Galchenyuk to play with Connor.

    When the season starts next year, Weber will be 33. No thanks. Even with salary retained.

  32. Lowetide says:

    frjohnk: If the Oilers want seconday scoring when McDavid is on the bench, its easy.
    They just have to draft another generational player and have him play when McDavid is on the ice.

    Honest to Christ, if the draft a LW who is generational and put HIM with 97 and 29, I will lose it.

  33. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    On the road to: Los Angeles, Anaheim, San Jose (Expected 1-1-1) (Actual 0-0-0)

    Anything less than 2-1 and stick a fork in us (again)

  34. thehop says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker),

    If Draisaitl is playing on the wing, I don’t think that would be wise no?

    If they draft Svechnikov maybe? That free’s up Drai but man I hate that idea.

  35. OmJo says:

    OriginalPouzar: Sure, he has been streaky, as are many younger and developing players.Perhaps he learns to bring his game consistency with experience, development and settling in to his new team?

    If he is able to bring it for the last 30 games (for a total of 40), that is substantial and I would not be happy walking away from that player for nothing.

    Time will tell.

    The thing is he was streaky in NY as well. If his agent is demanding at least $3M I would prefer they walk. Good teams don’t pay $3M/year for players who only show up for half a season. Considering it’s a contract year, I’m even more weary of General Disappointment falling into another trap.

    We have no shortage of Cs, we have the best C depth in the league so that $3M would be better spent on a winger to play with those Cs.

    Just my opinion.

  36. thehop says:

    dustrock,

    He’s pretty fucking mean too. I was thinking the same thing last night.

    He and Draisaitl going back and forth with two hands in the crease was awesome.

    I enjoyed watching Drai give it back.

    Good for him

  37. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    thehop,

    Yeah, I was not advocating for trading Nuge.

    Rather not break up the one clear strength on this team.

    If Strome gets his 3m qualifying offer though, unless Sekera, Russell or Lucic waive their NMCs I don’t think they can afford it all, especially as Maroon’s replacement will be unlikely to be as cheap as 1.5m.

  38. JimmyV1965 says:

    This team is sooooooo close to greatness. Just need a couple wingers and a RHD. They have the Cs and then some, and some real nice pieces on defence. Those are the toughest pieces to acquire. They’re just missing a couple elements.

    Something has to give with the transition game though. Even in such a good game last night, it was craptacular. I was hating on Benning earlier, but they were all bad. Maybe it’s coaching. I have no idea.

  39. OmJo says:

    Lowetide: Honest to Christ, if the draft a LW who is generational and put HIM with 97 and 29, I will lose it.

    If they trade Nuge to sign Strome for $3M I will lose it.

  40. thehop says:

    OmJo: The thing is he was streaky in NY as well. If his agent is demanding at least $3M I would prefer they walk. Good teams don’t pay $3M/year for players who only show up for half a season. Considering it’s a contract year, I’m even more weary of General Disappointment falling into another trap.

    We have no shortage of Cs, we have the best C depth in the league so that $3M would be better spent on a winger to play with those Cs.

    Just my opinion.

    My bet is on him going at the deadline.

    He stats bump couldn’t have happened at a better time.

    What does he fetch? Part of a bigger package maybe?

  41. thehop says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker),

    Do you think he moves at the deadline?

    I agree with you and I worry that if he continues to play at the level he is now I worry ChiaPete will have painted himself into another shitty contract.

  42. €√¥£€^$ says:

    Most dominate game by any player I’ve ever seen and I have been watching the NHL closely since 1976.

    Strome impressed me, he been playing very good the last few games.

    Cammy was the least effectivd IMO of all the forwards, in the O zone and at leat once in the D zone he tried to shield the puck by keeping it against the boards and moving his body away from it. It was strange and I thought it slowed the line down too much. I did not like his game at all.

    This kind of game is why it is such a roller coater ride to be an Oilfan. We are at times incredibly spoiled and priviledged, BUT it is all too often the case that we have front row seats to a 12 train pile-up. We’ve literally been imprisoned or in some cases held hostage by hope for more than a decade, but hey its our team and its our normal, so what can we do?

    Amazing player, great game. Goilers!!!

  43. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    thehop,

    I would think Chia would be sending out feelers to see if Strome would accept a 2-yr deal at less money. If the answer is no, then he needs to deal him for some value, not qualify him for 3m or let him walk for free

  44. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    The Strome situation is a good example of the boxing himself in that PC does that LT mentioned.

    Strome has a lot of leverage here.

  45. Rondo says:

    McDavid is in a class of his own.

    Tampa did not play that well, gave the Oilers too much ice. If Lightning play like this in the playoffs they lose in the first round.

  46. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bob Stauffer

    Verified account

    @Bob_Stauffer
    9m9 minutes ago
    More
    Patrick Maroon, Oscar Klefbom and Zack Kassian are not on the ice for practice today as well as
    RNH (ribs) and Adam Larsson (personal)

  47. jtblack says:

    Maroon is playing like HE KNOWS HE WILL BE MOVED Tough spot to be in …

    Bet Edm would like a couple games back …. The Russell slapper. 1 or 2 of the 5-0 home ice losses.

    Just 2 or 3 LESS Losses and they would be close ….

    Go Oilers Go

  48. flyfish1168 says:

    Oilers doing very well without RNH. If they do well on this road trip it may spell the end for RNH. If so we need to get something significant back.

  49. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Rondo:
    McDavid is in a class of his own.

    Tampa did not play that well, gave the Oilers too much ice. If Lightning play like this in the playoffs they lose in the first round.

    To be fair I think they know that. Also did you see the schedule on their 8 game roadtrip? It was an epic. We caught them at the best time.

  50. jtblack says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Bob Stauffer

    Verified account

    @Bob_Stauffer9m9 minutes ago
    More
    Patrick Maroon, Oscar Klefbom and Zack Kassian are not on the ice for practice today as well as
    RNH (ribs) and Adam Larsson (personal)

    Does this mean trade???

  51. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    jtblack,

    OriginalPouzar,

    Maroon?! He didn’t play well last night. Might be sick as well?

  52. DBO says:

    Khaira has shown enough to be a solid to good 4th line centre that play up if needed. A better centre then winger.
    Strome is a solid 3rd line centre, who has played better defensively lately and the offense is improving. Do not discount the adjustment period needed coming to a Canadian team. He is settling in, and is much better at centre then wing.

    McDavid
    Nuge
    Strome
    Khaira

    That is still a solid centre depth with the ability to move Draisatl down if needed.

    As for Puljujarvi. He can not play with Lucic. Too different of a player. He needs to skate. Heck even if you switched Cagguila (who should be a 4th liner) and him, that would play better to each line with Caggs bringing grit and grind along with speed to play with Lucic, and Puljujarvi adding more skill and a better shot to play with Strome, who is a playmaker.

  53. Dicky94 says:

    jtblack,

    I’m thinking “the shits’.

  54. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – Ryan Strome: had a cap hit of $2.5MM this year.

    – 2 more years at a slight bump-up: and he’s your 3 C, I think that was the Oil hope/plan

    – Also, Fayne and Korp come off the books: that’s $3.6MM to spend on actual players next year

    – I can see EDM wanting a RNH for Faulk deal, with whatever else to match it up,

    – So Strome/Jar/New Letetsu vet as your bottom 2 C’s next year

  55. Scungilli Slushy says:

    The game was a thing of beauty.

    The Bolts had no gas in the tank and looked pretty ordinary. They weren’t able to skate enough to get the Oilers running around which is usually where the Oilers get into trouble.

    That game was a good example of why a variety of players makes a strong team. Of course the best players are always the main factor in what a GM should look for.

    If the Bolts get into a playoff series and the refs aren’t calling much they could be in trouble because they are so small up front. Last night they didn’t have an answer for a bigger team skating with them, schedule lately of course tiring them.

    If they can’t skate and play in more open ice I’m not sure how well they would do. Makes me wonder if Maroon might be appealing to them.

  56. DBO says:

    Real issue is a left winger to play with McDavid. I would love to see Hoffman and have Draisatl with Nuge, allowing Puljujarvi to play 1 RW. That would balance out our top 2 lines and have driver’s on each.

    ???-Hoffman-McDavid-Puljujarvi
    ???-Nuge-Draisatl
    Lucic-Strome-???Yamamoto
    Cagguila-Khaira-Kassian

  57. frjohnk says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: Also, Fayne and Korp come off the books: that’s $3.6MM to spend on actual players next year

    Stromes base salary is $3M this year, so his qualifyinig offer will need to be $3M for next year
    https://www.capfriendly.com/qualifying-offer-calculator/ryan-strome

    That $3.6M to spend will go to McDavid and Nurse as the Oilers will go from paying them about $5M this year, to anywhere from $15.5M ( with $3M bridge to Nurse) to around $17.5M ( Nurse long term).

    Rest of RFA we keep, should have salaries stay in place.

  58. Gret99zky says:

    Lowetide: They are 5-1-1 in the last seven, that’s some stout brew.

    Hopefully this serves as a reminder that a bad start to the season can sink a team for the rest of it.

    Get the damn team ready for October and don’t treat the first 10 games as an audition.

  59. OriginalPouzar says:

    OmJo: The thing is he was streaky in NY as well. If his agent is demanding at least $3M I would prefer they walk. Good teams don’t pay $3M/year for players who only show up for half a season. Considering it’s a contract year, I’m even more weary of General Disappointment falling into another trap.

    We have no shortage of Cs, we have the best C depth in the league so that $3M would be better spent on a winger to play with those Cs.

    Just my opinion.

    You opinion is valid.

    Personally, I want to wait and see how he performs in the last 30 games before determining if he’s worth a QO or the negotiations of a less AAV with perhaps a 2 year term.

    Yes, he was streaky for the Islanders but, as I said, that is pretty common for young and developing non-elite players and will often become less so with age, experience and development.

    He was also adjusting to a new team and, as I said, no help from the coach who had him rotating positions and line-mates every few games.

    I can’t say if I’m willing to pay him $3M for one year at this point as I will need to see how he performs for the rest of the season.

    If he performs like he has been and is able to provide value on the PK (he has so far in the last 4 games), he can play a valuable role on this team next year and it fills a top 6 winger spot internally while Yamamoto and Benson develop in the minors.

    One year contract for a one year stop gap. Further analysis next year to see if he continues the play.

    First things first, this is all contingent on him continuing through the end of the season which is by no means a certainty.

  60. OriginalPouzar says:

    jtblack: Does this mean trade???

    Probably not – he’s probably either sick and/or banged up. Potential maintenance day.

  61. Yeti says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – Also, Fayne and Korp come off the books: that’s $3.6MM to spend on actual players next year

    Ah Fayne. The RD that should have been bringing balance to our defence pairings right now.

    There was a defenceman called Fayne,
    Who knew how to play the game.
    A right-hand D,
    Who lacked mobility,
    MacTavish must take all the blame.

  62. OriginalPouzar says:

    DBO:
    Khaira has shown enough to be a solid to good 4th line centre that play up if needed. A better centre then winger.
    Strome is a solid 3rd line centre, who has played better defensively lately and the offense is improving. Do not discount the adjustment period needed coming to a Canadian team. He is settling in, and is much better at centre then wing.

    McDavid
    Nuge
    Strome
    Khaira

    That is still a solid centre depth with the ability to move Draisatl down if needed.

    As for Puljujarvi. He can not play with Lucic. Too different of a player. He needs to skate. Heck even if you switched Cagguila (who should be a 4th liner) and him, that would play better to each line with Caggs bringing grit and grind along with speed to play with Lucic, and Puljujarvi adding more skill and a better shot to play with Strome, who is a playmaker.

    ___/McDavid/Puljijarvi
    Lucic/Nuge/Drai
    Caggulia/Strome/Slep
    Pak/Khaira/Kass

  63. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    frjohnk: Stromes base salary is $3M this year, so his qualifyinig offer will need to be $3M for next year
    https://www.capfriendly.com/qualifying-offer-calculator/ryan-strome

    That $3.6M to spend will go to McDavid and Nurse as the Oilers will go from paying them about $5M this year, to anywhere from $15.5M ( with $3M bridge to Nurse) to around $17.5M ( Nurse long term).

    Rest of RFA we keep, should have salaries stay in place.

    – I’m assuming Strome, for Cap purposes, could be in the range of the $2.5MM (bonus money), as his current structure is $3MM salary, $2.5MM cap

    – You have $3.6MM of “new money”,if the cap rises to $82MM, another $7MM. Letetsu, Cami, Maroon, that’s another $4.5MM. That’s over $15MM to be allocated differently.

    – CMD eats a lot of this: I don’t think they can keep all of CMD, Drai, RNH and Strome though: that’s $25MM approx on your 4 C’s….

    – Plus if Nurse signs for $5MM long-term, Davidson at around 2 x 2, your have another $25MM approx on your D, and $5MM on G: That’s $60MM

    – Lucic is $6MM, Jessie $1, Jar $700K.

    – You’ve got $14MM to spend on Cami/Maroon/Sleppy replacements, plus re-up Caggs

    – It’s doable: would be so nice to be able to have all of Caggs/Sleppy/Jar perform well and be cheap next year

  64. OriginalPouzar says:

    Gret99zky: Hopefully this serves as a reminder that a bad start to the season can sink a team for the rest of it.

    Get the damn team ready for October and don’t treat the first 10 games as an audition.

    Half of training camp and the beginning of the season in Europe is not helping…..

  65. thehop says:

    Yeti: Ah Fayne. The RD that should have been bringing balance to our defence pairings right now.

    There was a defenceman called Fayne,
    Who knew how to play the game.
    A right-hand D,
    Who lacked mobility,
    MacTavish must take all the blame.

    Lovely!

  66. OriginalPouzar says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – I’m assuming Strome, for Cap purposes, could be in the range of the $2.5MM (bonus money), as his current structure is $3MM salary, $2.5MM cap

    – You have $3.6MM of “new money”,if the cap rises to $82MM,another $7MM.Letetsu, Cami, Maroon,that’s another $4.5MM.That’s over $15MM to be allocated differently.

    – CMD eats a lot of this: I don’t think they can keep all of CMD, Drai, RNH and Strome though: that’s $25MM approx on your 4 C’s….

    Unless Strome agrees otherwise, he has to be tendered a qualifying offer at $3M (for one year) or else he becomes a UFA.

    He may agree to sign for a less AAV/Cap Hit with 2 year term but, if not, he will be at $3M (min) or becomes a UFA.

  67. DBO says:

    OriginalPouzar: ___/McDavid/Puljijarvi
    Lucic/Nuge/Drai
    Caggulia/Strome/Slep
    Pak/Khaira/Kass

    I still wonder why Slepeshev hasn’t excelled. And i would prefer a better 3LW then Cagguila. I wonder what Maroon would take with this being a down year. He can play with McDavid in a pinch and he is decent two way winger with size and decent hands that can play anywhere in our top 9 at LW. We know that. But his production has fallen off and what could he get as a UFA? $3.0 or $3.5 mill? Will someone pay him $4 mill plus?

    And we will need cheap players. So Yamamoto, while young, is a cost effective 3RW for 3 years that
    may be better then Sleppy. So needed, and he won’t be exposed in the Seattle expansion draft.

  68. OilClog says:

    Mcdavid and Leon with 120 dfs points last night… ooooooooo weeeeeeee what a beautiful night of fan duel.

    Turning $20 into $1100 praise baby jebus

  69. Richard S.S. says:

    NHL non-affiliated top 50 Prospect list is out with no Oilers on it. Should there be?

  70. OriginalPouzar says:

    DBO: I still wonder why Slepeshev hasn’t excelled. And i would prefer a better 3LW then Cagguila. I wonder what Maroon would take with this being a down year. He can play with McDavid in a pinch and he is decent two way winger with size and decent hands that can play anywhere in our top 9 at LW. We know that. But his production has fallen off and what could he get as a UFA? $3.0 or $3.5 mill? Will someone pay him $4 mill plus?

    And we will need cheap players. So Yamamoto, while young, is a cost effective 3RW for 3 years that
    may be better then Sleppy. So needed, and he won’t be exposed in the Seattle expansion draft.

    I would like a better 3rd line winger than Caggulia as well but I’ve penciled him in that slot because of recent success/chemistry with Strome – way too small of a sample size, of course.

    This lineup is really just with incumbents – of course, there is going to be some external acquisition at forward I would think – hopefully Chia can find a value contract/good bet – similar to Jokinen but a bet that actually works.

  71. frjohnk says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – I’m assuming Strome, for Cap purposes, could be in the range of the $2.5MM (bonus money), as his current structure is $3MM salary, $2.5MM cap

    – You have $3.6MM of “new money”,if the cap rises to $82MM,another $7MM.Letetsu, Cami, Maroon,that’s another $4.5MM.That’s over $15MM to be allocated differently.

    – CMD eats a lot of this: I don’t think they can keep all of CMD, Drai, RNH and Strome though: that’s $25MM approx on your 4 C’s….

    – Plus if Nurse signs for $5MM long-term, Davidson at around 2 x 2, your have another $25MM approx on your D, and $5MM on G: That’s $60MM

    – Lucic is $6MM, Jessie $1, Jar $700K.

    – You’ve got $14MM to spend on Cami/Maroon/Sleppy replacements, plus re-up Caggs

    – It’s doable: would be so nice to be able to have all of Caggs/Sleppy/Jar perform well and be cheap next year

    Just with the way Chia has painted himself into the corner with some of his signings , I do see RNH getting traded, most likely for a player on a ELC and maybe a pick/prospect to alleviate the team from cap issues.

    Now if the cap does go from $75M to $82M that does give Chia some breathing room and maybe he can keep his 3rd best forward

  72. rickithebear says:

    There are 2 ways Dmen Influence Goalie Performance.
    1. HD area Protection
    You Want Dmen with the lowest Cummulative Shot Density (Shot success rate by x,y) per CA at a high repeatable rate per 25 shifts.

    CA is a reflection of ZS usage and Failings of forwards and offensive Dmen who abandon defence of their own HD area.

    2. you want Dmen who generate the highest 0% chance Corsi per CA.
    Closed Corsi : are Corsi that have 0% chance
    Closed Corsi = (blocks + misses + closed shots)

    Closed shots: are any corsi that reaches the Net area and hits the goalie in the Pads, 5 hole flapper, Pants, Chest Protecter, Shoulder pads, Arm pads, blocker, Glove, Helmet, during normal table hockey goalie movement with the play.

    Open shot: is any shot that requires the goalie to make an exclerated movement to stop a shot in open space of net Elevation.

    The true shot chart is one soley based on Succes rate of Corsi x,y that are open shots.

    3. Dpairs establish the Save% mean a goalie performs around.
    Avg HDSH save% .825; 17.5% success
    AVG LDSH save% .965; 3.5% success
    using an average Golaie facing the avg 30 SH/gm

    worst Dpair
    14.5 HDSH x .825 = 11.9625 save; 2.5375ga
    15.5 LDSH x .965 = 14.9575 saves; .5425 ga
    (11. 9625 + 14.9575)/30SH = .897 Save%

    Avg Dpair
    10.5 HDSH =8.6625 saves
    19.5 LDSH = 18.8175 saves
    (8.6625 + 18.8175)/30 SH = .916 save%

    Best Dpair
    7.00 HDSH = 5.775 saves
    23 LDSH = 22.195 saves
    (5.775 + 22.195)/30Sh = .932 save %

    Kris Russell was the best in the game at not requiring a goalie to make a save.
    Adam Larsson was a top 5 1st comp HD dman.

    The best Dcore at not needing a goalie to make open shot saves. ( to the point of having 0 open shots in some games)
    93-94 & 94-95
    Stevens, Niedermeyer, Daneyko, Albelin, Driver, Peluso, Fetisov
    99-00 to 02-03
    Stevens, Niedermeyer, Rafalski, Daneyko,, White, Albelin,

    Nurse and Klefbom are defensive nightmares not holding defensive position in their own HD area.
    0 repeatability
    hard to know were they are and impossible to trust.

    Interesting to know Klefbom’s best repeatability of above average HD games was with
    #1 fayne top HD pair in the game when signed out of NJD dman factory.
    #2 Belov
    #3 Larsson

    When I watch this years games the staff has the D pressuring to the perimeter and Beyond. Generates large lanes for HD area penetration resulting in high HDSH volume.
    Establishing a brutal Save % mean our golaies perform around.

  73. powerploy says:

    I think strome deserves a chance to see how he produces over the rest of the year, as others have said he’s not the first player that needed time to adjust to a new team. I think that adjustment has likely been hindered by the poor play of the team and the resulting constant line rearrangements. As lowtide has said, people tend to base their opinion on a comparison with who they were traded for, he wasn’t ment to be a replacement for erbles points. Give him a full year, to give him a chance. I’m sure glad the oilers roster isn’t decided by the fans who have a shorter time frame than most politicians. We would be trading players based on 10 games performance.

  74. hunter1909 says:

    powerploy: We would be trading players based on 10 games performance.

    Or less.

  75. hunter1909 says:

    Last night I tuned in before the 3rd only to see the Bolts score and I got pissed until McDavid was crazy lol

    Can McDavid will them into the playoffs, based on last night’s whipping that left Tampa fans crying like babies with another early playoff exit likely.

  76. Pescador says:

    thehop: I thought speed was the new size?

    It is, I was talking about what I saw last night. I also saw a rested Oilers team & a tired Tampa squad

  77. hunter1909 says:

    PS: Bolt fans aren’t too keen to go into the playoffs with a pair of 5’7″ wingers lol

  78. thehop says:

    powerploy:
    I think strome deserves a chance to see how he produces over the rest of the year, as others have said he’s not the first player that needed time to adjust to a new team. I think that adjustment has likely been hindered by the poor play of the team and the resulting constant line rearrangements. As lowtide has said, people tend to base their opinion on a comparison with who they were traded for, he wasn’t ment to be a replacement for erbles points. Give him a full year, to give him a chance. I’m sure glad the oilers roster isn’t decided by the fans who have a shorter time framethan most politicians. We would be trading players based on 10 games performance.

    I base my opinion on the player based on the breadth of his current season. Some people look at the last 10 games of the season to justify keeping him. I’m not sure that’s an accurate way to form an accurate opinion about Strome. I don’t think people are comparing him to Eberle much anymore either.

    And it is impossible to accurately predict how a player like Strome is going to perform for the last 1/3rd of the season.

    Has he been better? Indeed he has but that doesn’t negate the 35 games that preceded his improved play.

    The question is: Is Strome worth another 3mill for two years? I don’t think so and that is why I think the Oilers have to entertain the idea of a trade with this player at the deadline. Potentially address the hole on the back end with him and other parts.

    I love the idea of 97-27-93 down the middle for a couple more years.

  79. thehop says:

    Pescador,

    Agreed.

    Do they play again this year??

    I’d love to watch a rested TB team play McDavid again.

  80. frjohnk says:

    rickithebear,

    Where do you get your data that shows shots from the high danger areas with certain Dmen on the ice?
    Natural stat trick has shot attempts from the high danger area with certain Dmen on the ice but they dont have shots on net from the high danger area.

    I know a person can get the data from corisca to see what teams are allowing for shots from the different locations but that data does not say who is on the ice.

    Ive seen some of Sportloqiqs data for some players that has this data but I have not seen it league wide in a database, Ive just seen it for specific players.

  81. flea says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Vancouver started the season 6-3-2 in October after going to China

    LA started 9-3.

    I remember reading somewhere that the team really enjoyed the trip, it was a good chance to connect as a group.

    Not saying it’ll guaranteed be good for the Oilers, but getting out of the Edmonton fishbowl during TC fmight be nice for the team.

  82. Pescador says:

    thehop:
    Pescador,

    Agreed.

    Do they play again this year??

    I’d love to watch a rested TB team play McDavid again.

    March 18?

  83. Pescador says:

    hunter1909:
    PS: Bolt fans aren’t too keen to go into the playoffs with a pair of 5’7″ wingers lol

    Tampa fans are going to cry all the way to the conference finals, probably beyond

  84. OriginalPouzar says:

    thehop: I base my opinion on the player based on the breadth of his current season. Some people look at the last 10 games of the season to justify keeping him. I’m not sure that’s an accurate way to form an accurate opinion about Strome. I don’t think people are comparing him to Eberle much anymore either.

    And it is impossible to accurately predict how a player like Strome is going to perform for the last 1/3rd of the season.

    Has he been better? Indeed he has but that doesn’t negate the 35 games that preceded his improved play.

    The question is: Is Strome worth another 3mill for two years? I don’t think so and that is why I think the Oilers have to entertain the idea of a trade with this player at the deadline. Potentially address the hole on the back end with him and other parts.

    I love the idea of 97-27-93 down the middle for a couple more years.

    1) I don’t think I’ve read a single poster that wants to end the analysis of Strome now and use solely the last 10 games. Every person that hasn’t already given up on the player is looking to see if he can continue for the next 30 games (for a half season sample size).

    2) No, the prior 35 games aren’t negated but, as a few have posited, he was joining a new team, the team as a group was shit, he was given a revolving door of linemates (and position) with no consistency, etc. Mitigating factors, not excuses

    3) Why is the $3M contract for two years? The QO can be for one year. Sure, Strome can refuse to sign a $3M and one year contact and hold out – we keep his rights though. More than likely, if he continues his play and is qualified, he takes the offer (or maybe still signs for less AAV with a couple years of term.

  85. Receptor Antagonist says:

    Hall McDavid Draisatl
    Maroon Barzal Eberle
    Caggiula Nuge Puljujarvi
    Slepy Khaira Kassian

    Klefbom Petry
    Sekera Demers
    Nurse Benning

    *runs and hides*

  86. OriginalPouzar says:

    flea:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Vancouver started the season 6-3-2 in October after going to China

    LA started 9-3.

    I remember reading somewhere that the team really enjoyed the trip, it was a good chance to connect as a group.

    Not saying it’ll guaranteed be good for the Oilers, but getting out of the Edmonton fishbowl during TC fmight be nice for the team.

    That is good information that I did not know. Thank you.

    Maybe my thoughts that this can’t be good for camp and/or the start of the year is without foundation.

    I’m surprised (and encouraged by those numbers).

  87. hunter1909 says:

    Pescador: Tampa fans are going to cry all the way to the conference finals, probably beyond

    No cup. No cup they’re not built for shite come spring.

  88. godot10 says:

    Lowetide: Honest to Christ, if the draft a LW who is generational and put HIM with 97 and 29, I will lose it.

    The Oilers have the potential next Hossa in Puljujarvi and the coach is screwing up his development.

  89. hunter1909 says:

    flea: getting out of the Edmonton fishbowl during TC fmight be nice for the team.

    After that hack Rishaug’s disgusting attempt at a cheap shot against the goalie, you might have a point.

  90. godot10 says:

    JimmyV1965:
    This team is sooooooo close to greatness. Just need a couple wingers and a RHD. They have the Cs and then some, and some real nice pieces on defence. Those are the toughest pieces to acquire. They’re just missing a couple elements.

    Something has to give with the transition game though. Even in such a good game last night, it was craptacular. I was hating on Benning earlier, but they were all bad. Maybe it’s coaching. I have no idea.

    The San Jose Sharks were so close to greatness.

  91. GMB3 says:

    thehop: I thought speed was the new size?

    It was one game, easy cowboy. And I’m pretty sure the biggest reason we won was because the fastest player in the NHL scored 4 goals.

  92. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10: The Oilers have the potential next Hossa in Puljujarvi and the coach is screwing up his development.

    Playing 1RW and 2RW in the vast majority of his games and now PP2 is ruining his development?

  93. flea says:

    godot10,

    In what way? By not gifting him minutes with the best player in the world?

    I actually think Lucic has been a good fit with Puljujarvi, they play a similiar style.

    Pulju’s development has been alright so far, IMO. Gave him AHL time, brought him up later in the season. He’s played well this year and is getting better.

    Hossa’s first season with Ottawa was 60 GP, 15 G, 15 A, 30 points.

    Puljujarvi so far? 9 G, 6 A in 34 Games

  94. hunter1909 says:

    godot10: The San Jose Sharks were so close to greatness.

    Thecaptainconnormcdavid

  95. godot10 says:

    powerploy:
    I think strome deserves a chance to see how he produces over the rest of the year, as others have said he’s not the first player that needed time to adjust to a new team. I think that adjustment has likely been hindered by the poor play of the team and the resulting constant line rearrangements. As lowtide has said, people tend to base their opinion on a comparison with who they were traded for, he wasn’t ment to be a replacement for erbles points. Give him a full year, to give him a chance. I’m sure glad the oilers roster isn’t decided by the fans who have a shorter time framethan most politicians. We would be trading players based on 10 games performance.

    Strome has a five year track record.

  96. hunter1909 says:

    flea:
    godot10,

    In what way? By not gifting him minutes with the best player in the world?

    I actually think Lucic has been a good fit with Puljujarvi, they play a similiar style.

    Pulju’s development has been alright so far, IMO. Gave him AHL time, brought him up later in the season. He’s played well this year and is getting better.

    Hossa’s first season with Ottawa was 60 GP, 15 G, 15 A, 30 points.

    Puljujarvi so far? 9 G, 6 A in 34 Games

    JP’s going to blow the doors of training camp and go on from there next season. The kid’s a freaking tank out there. Excellent natural defence.

  97. thehop says:

    GMB3,

    I guess it’s hard to pick up on the sarcasm…..

    I’m not a cowboy either but thanks for that.

    Kris Russell on the other hand…

  98. thehop says:

    godot10: Strome has a five year track record.

    But he’s been so much better the last 10 games….

  99. hunter1909 says:

    thehop: But he’s been so much better the last 10 games….

    – if they make the playoffs Strome’s a part of that.

    – If they fail to make the playoffs Strome’s a part of that.

    This isn’t rocket science.

    Basically, there is time for these Klowns to still make the playoffs. We who are no longer able to be fooled of course scoff knowingly, lol

  100. Thorin says:

    I’ve read the whole thread and haven’t seen it mentioned other than in Lowetide’s post – Talbot made three absolutely outstanding saves in close, that I remember. The kind of saves that routinely go in because the goalie is still sliding over and not set up yet. He happened to slide across with his pads sealed to the ice. Sideways movement while keeping both pads sealed to the ice is pretty damn hard, and it’s why you see the puck go in under pads when you think there wasn’t any room. Kudos to Talbot for keeping the goal differential up, as I’m sure it buoyed his teammates’ spirits and had them trying just a little harder.

    I found this game to be similar to the game against Colorado, except that Colorado was so damn good at breaking up the playmaking passes. In the Colorado game, you’d see an obvious overload play getting set up and all it needed was a nice hard, crisp tape-to-tape pass, and someone like Draisaitl would attempt the pass, and it was nice and hard, but Colorado would somehow get a piece of the puck and deflect and so the pass would miss, and no more good play coming. The Oilers were attempting the same plays, it seemed to me, but were connecting with their passes, and thus led to a lot more dangerous offensive plays.

    Ricki, good to see you post again. I do not have numbers to back it up, but by eye I see what you see – lots of open ice in the defensive low slot as the defensemen are more likely to abandon the goalie. I always told the kids that one defense goes after the puck and the other stays by the net to help the goalie out, and to stand in whatever spot you need to so that you can see the goalie’s numbers out of the corner of your eye. The Oilers defensemen do indeed appear to be getting coached to be more aggressive on retrieving the puck than that.

  101. hunter1909 says:

    If they go 3-0 in California this would be a start.

    MEMO TO MCDAVID: No time to lose! Get goal scoring!! make the playoffs!!

  102. bendelson says:

    godot10: The Oilers have the potential next Hossa in Puljujarvi and the coach is screwing up his development.

    I know this is your narrative and it’s not going to change but when I watch JP hockey, I see a kid slowly adding to his game week by week… As an example, I enjoyed his decision to finish a few checks ‘hard’ last night. I hadn’t seen much of that to date but last night, there it was… and it was good. A real PP push should be coming soon to give that one-timer a good look. The D awareness appears solid and certainly should continue to improve.

    The skies the limit for JP, but he doesn’t have to (and shouldn’t be expected to get anywhere close to there this season). He just needs to continue to develop – which is what I’m seeing in his game.

  103. Thorin says:

    Playoffs is still mathematically possible. If we assume they need 96 points to get into playoffs, then they need to win 23 of the next 31 games. So we can do a reverse count, they can only lose 8 of the next 31 (OT/shootout losses counting as half a loss).

    edit: I’m not implying they’ll make it, I’m very pessimistic about their chances.

  104. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    hunter1909: – if they make the playoffs Strome’s a part of that.

    – If they fail to make the playoffs Strome’s a part of that.

    This isn’t rocket science.

    Basically, there is time for these Klowns to still make the playoffs. We who are no longer able to be fooled of course scoff knowingly, lol

    20 – 8 – 3: 93 points: scaring the sh#t out of whoever they play 1st round: Book it!

  105. hunter1909 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: 20 – 8 – 3: 93 points: scaring the sh#t out of whoever they play 1st round: Book it!

    Awesome!

  106. hunter1909 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: 20 – 8 – 3: 93 points: scaring the sh#t out of whoever they play 1st round: Book it!

    Or, REALLY scaring the shit out of everyone when they win the lottery and get that defence genius from Sweden.

  107. hunter1909 says:

    hunter1909: Or, REALLY scaring the shit out of everyone when they win the lottery and get that defence genius from Sweden.

    Speaking of which lol, Paul Coffey on board and I’ll guarantee they draft a defenceman in round 1.

    A “rushing” defenceman.

  108. hunter1909 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: 20 – 8 – 3: 93 points: scaring the sh#t out of whoever they play 1st round: Book it!

    Actually based on an 80 game schedule that’s about a 110 point pace; and if connormcdavidthecaptainoftheoilers is anywhere half as good as they’re screaming about since last night then he’s got to be good for that 110 point pace, full stop.

  109. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10: Strome has a five year track record.

    So did Jonathan Marchessault and it included 8 NHL goals.

    The 5-year track record matters, however, different players develop at different paces.

    There is a reason that cautious optimism is the most aggressive approach you see – noone is anointing him as the 3C of the future based off of 10 games but some are happy with his materially increased play, creativity, production, battle, PK ability, etc. and are wondering if he can keep it up through the rest of the season.

    What he did as a 20 year old does not mean as much as what he’s doing now.

    I mean, look how well he’s playing despite playing for the worst coach of the modern era – imagine what he could do with a real coach.

  110. Jethro Tull says:

    godot10: The Oilers have the potential next Hossa in Puljujarvi and the coach is screwing up his development.

    Yeah……….no.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mari%C3%A1n_Hossa

    Please, you make valuable input, but not when you let personal dislike of the coach cloud it.

  111. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    hunter1909: Actually based on an 80 game schedule that’s about a 110 point pace; and if connormcdavidthecaptainoftheoilers is anywhere half as good as they’re screaming about since last night then he’s got to be good for that 110 point pace, full stop.

    – Yeah with a RNH healthy, I would slap on a Kinger guarentee on this.

    – But it’s not impossible. Not likely, but 30 games at a 110 point pace for this team: why not?

    *how bout those markets today: wow….

  112. jtblack says:

    OriginalPouzar: That is good information that I did not know.Thank you.

    Maybe my thoughts that this can’t be good for camp and/or the start of the year is without foundation.

    I’m surprised (and encouraged by those numbers).

    And we discussed this too OP; it’s a non issue. COL has been fore since their Europe trip. OTT has sucked. But it’s not an excuse either way.

    I agree with the other guy; probably great Bonding opportunity

  113. jtblack says:

    godot10: Strome has a five year track record.

    Strome is 24. His best years should be right in Front of him. He’s a Rigt Shot.
    He openly expressed he prefers to play C. So if they just leave him there for a while, he will find chemistry with a couple wingers .

    He’s in pace for 35 Points; after adjusting to a new team and being flipped flopped betwedn RW & C.

    Give him a full season at C next year and I think you have a Value Player who can put up 40 – 48 pts and be slightly more consistent and effective.

    EDIT : Strome averaging between 11 mins and 15 mins all year.
    Last 3 games he’s played 22, 19 & 19 mins.

    Opportunity also matters. PP1 matters.

  114. OriginalPouzar says:

    He is also starting to get material PK minutes. Don’t know how that will go but he hasn’t been on the ice for a goal against and he’s been on the 1st or 2nd unit for 4 games now.

  115. frjohnk says:

    Seed Team ProPoints
    1 Vegas 117
    2 Nashville 114
    3 Winnipeg 110
    4 St. Louis 102
    5 San Jose 101
    6 Dallas 100
    7 Colorado 96
    8 Los Angeles 96
    9 Minnesota 96
    10 Calgary 95
    11 Anaheim 91
    12 Chicago 88
    13 Edmonton 80

    Now if the Oilers were to go on a run to make the playoffs ( yup, craziness, but just for shits and giggles) that would most likely mean that they would take points away from the teams in the 7 to 12 spot ( First 6 are locks not to get passed by the Oilers) So that would mean that the 7th or 8th spot would not be 96 points to make playoffs but more like 93, 94.

    Now of course the Bettman point could throw a monkey wrench into these calculations if a bunch of these teams play more in extra time in the last part of the season compared to what they did in the beginning.

    97 points, they need to play at a 124.3 point pace
    96 points, they need to play at a 121.6 point pace
    95 points, they need to play at a 119 point pace
    94 points, they need to play at a 116.3 point pace
    93 points, they need to play at a 113.7 point pace

    Only Tamp, Vegas and Nashville have played at a 113.7 point pace or more up to this point this season

  116. pts2pndr says:

    hunter1909: Speaking of which lol, Paul Coffey on board and I’ll guarantee they draft a defenceman in round 1.

    A “rushing” defenceman.

    Just so long as its not a Russian defenseman Oilers don’t do so well with Russians! ( meant to be a pun) some people seem to have lost their sense of humour. Love the swedish rh d ranked in top 10 I believe.

  117. GMB3 says:

    thehop:
    GMB3,

    I guess it’s hard to pick up on the sarcasm…..

    I’m not a cowboy either but thanks for that.

    Kris Russell on the other hand…

    You responded to a post about them physically dominating them. Sure doesn’t read like sarcasm.

    #glassbangers

  118. pts2pndr says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Stay positive OP! Love your posts! By eye it seems that Strome is playing with more confidence and it is making a noticeable difference.

  119. Wolfpack says:

    I’ve liked Strome’s game at centre quite a bit more than at wing. In the end you have to think that the two GMs involved in that trade should be getting pretty well exactly what they expected. Eberle is shooting about 1% over his career shooting percentage and is on pace for 60 points, which is pretty well consistent with his track record. Strome shooting 1% below his career shooting percentage and is tracking for 35 points. His track record is about a 40 point player on average, which he might hit if he keeps playing like he has been lately. For me the frustration remains that nothing was done this year with the cap savings the Oilers gained from the trade.

    There has been a lot of talk lately about the local media being hard on the players, not just Rishaugh’s comments on Montoya but going back to the Eberle interview a few weeks ago. If anything I would say that IMO the media went easy on Eberle. Throughout last season there seemed to be an unwillingness to come down on him until he had a chance to prove himself in the playoffs. Even after not pissing a drop in the playoffs I heard people saying that the sample size was too small. I honestly don’t think Eberle or any other player has a lot to complain about, and I am still surprised at comments I saw that described the media as “bullies”. That is hyperbole as far as I am concerned. If these players expected sunshine and butterflies 100% of the time then someone should have done a better job of managing their expectations.

  120. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I mean, look how well he’s playing despite playing for the worst coach of the modern era – imagine what he could do with a real coach.

    Last time I checked, Dallas Eakins wasn’t coaching the Oilers.

  121. pts2pndr says:

    OriginalPouzar: Playing 1RW and 2RW in the vast majority of his games and now PP2 is ruining his development?

    Ok but in fairness who got the best chance at training camp JP or Smurfamoto? Speed is important! Size with speed trumps speed with small every time!

  122. godot10 says:

    Jethro Tull:

    Please, you make valuable input, but not when you let personal dislike of the coach cloud it.

    Would you trade the Oilers’ roster for Vegas’s roster? (One could substitute many rosters here for Vegas’s and ask the question).

    Would you be willing to swap coaches?

    Q.E.D.

  123. Side says:

    godot10: Would you trade the Oilers’ roster for Vegas’s roster?(One could substitute many rosters here for Vegas’s and ask the question).

    Would you be willing to swap coaches?

    Q.E.D.

    If Todd was coaching Vegas and had their point total, you would just say

    “the players did that in spite of their coach…”

    or

    “it’s cause the players trusted their skill coaches more”

    your schtick is tired and played out.

    It’s 100% trolling. Always has been, always will be.

  124. Professor Q says:

    pts2pndr: Ok but in fairness who got the best chance at training camp JP or Smurfamoto? Speed is important! Size with speed trumps speed with small every time!

    Sort of a Gronkowski trumps Branch, Cooks, Edelman, Amendola, Hogan, and Welker situation?

  125. JimmyV1965 says:

    Wolfpack:
    I’ve liked Strome’s game at centre quite a bit more than at wing. In the end you have to think that the two GMs involved in that trade should be getting pretty well exactly what they expected. Eberle is shooting about 1% over his career shooting percentage and is on pace for 60 points, which is pretty well consistent with his track record. Strome shooting 1% below his career shooting percentage and is tracking for 35 points. His track record is about a 40 point player on average, which he might hit if he keeps playing like he has been lately. For me the frustration remains that nothing was done this year with the cap savings the Oilers gained from the trade.

    There has been a lot of talk lately about the local media being hard on the players, not just Rishaugh’s comments on Montoya but going back to the Eberle interview a few weeks ago. If anything I would say that IMO the media went easy on Eberle. Throughout last season there seemed to be an unwillingness to come down on him until he had a chance to prove himself in the playoffs. Even after not pissing a drop in the playoffs I heard people saying that the sample size was too small.I honestly don’t think Eberle or any other player has a lot to complain about, and I am still surprised at comments I saw that described the media as “bullies”. That is hyperbole as far as I am concerned. If these players expected sunshine and butterflies 100% of the time then someone should have done a better job of managing their expectations.

    I’m getting a little tired of the media glare argument. No doubt there is very intense fan interest in the team here. There is some pressure to perform, but that’s the life of a pro athlete. No one is complaining about the endorsement deals they get here. And that won’t happen in other markets.

  126. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    godot10: Would you trade the Oilers’ roster for Vegas’s roster?(One could substitute many rosters here for Vegas’s and ask the question).

    Would you be willing to swap coaches?

    Q.E.D.

    Priceless!

    And welcome back … I always enjoy your input.

  127. Mr. D. says:

    I’d love to have the confidence for the rest of the season but 1 I repeat 1 line cannot be counted on for 80% of the points and expect consistent success. That was the problem for the first half the season. Realistically other 3 lines need to contribute 60% of the teams points on a regular basis.

  128. Pink Socks says:

    godot10: Would you trade the Oilers’ roster for Vegas’s roster?(One could substitute many rosters here for Vegas’s and ask the question).

    Would you be willing to swap coaches?

    Q.E.D.

    I disagree TMac is ruining JP’s development. He could be the next Hossa, certainly, but on a line with 97 for some of the season, and now playing with Lucic, I think it is a reasonable spot for him to be in.

    That being said, your point here is on the money.

    Oil Roster > Vegas Roster
    Oil Coaching <<<<<< Vegas Coaching

  129. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    Side: If Todd was coaching Vegas and had their point total, you would just say

    “the players did that in spite of their coach…”

    or

    “it’s cause the players trusted their skill coaches more”

    your schtick is tired and played out.

    It’s 100% trolling. Always has been, always will be.

    If Todd and his staff were coaching Vegas, there is no way in hell they have that point total. So I guess one could say that your entire premise is … wait for it … pointless.

  130. Jethro Tull says:

    godot10: Would you trade the Oilers’ roster for Vegas’s roster?(One could substitute many rosters here for Vegas’s and ask the question).

    Would you be willing to swap coaches?

    Q.E.D.

    That is not an honest question, particularly the day after McDavid goes supernova. And have you heard of outlier seasons?

    https://www.hockey-reference.com/coaches/mclelto01c.html

    https://www.hockey-reference.com/coaches/gallage01c.html

    Gallant may well be coaching his little heart out while Todd has an off year.

  131. Jethro Tull says:

    If JP is half the player Hossa was/is, we should be ecstatic. But that is putting unrealistic and unfair expectations on him. And what evidence do you have? He’s trending nicely. Be glad of that. But “he could be the next Hossa” is one small step away from “he should be the next Hossa.”

  132. pts2pndr says:

    Professor Q: Sort of a Gronkowski trumps Branch, Cooks, Edelman, Amendola, Hogan, and Welker situation?

    Professor Q: Sort of a Gronkowski trumps Branch, Cooks, Edelman, Amendola, Hogan, and Welker situation?

    Professor Q,

    Professor Q,

    Professor Q: Sort of a Gronkowski trumps Branch, Cooks, Edelman, Amendola, Hogan, and Welker situation?

    Professor Q,

    Professor Q: Sort of a Gronkowski trumps Branch, Cooks, Edelman, Amendola, Hogan, and Welker situation?

    Ok but a little different. I will counter with the fact the patriots also use gronk in blocking assignments. Please tell me if Yamamoto is going to be able to screen the 6.4 goalie or get the puck out up the boards effectvely in critical defensive situations. Please don!t get me wrong ! As an Oiler fan I want him to succeed but I see it being more difficult for him in the short term.

  133. pts2pndr says:

    JimmyV1965: I’m getting a little tired of the media glare argument. No doubt there is very intense fan interest in the team here. There is some pressure to perform, but that’s the life of a pro athlete.No one is complaining about the endorsement deals they get here. And that won’t happen in other markets.

    I agree, it didn,t seem to hurt the Great One or a number of other all stars that had great success in Edmonton!

  134. Side says:

    Decidedly Skeptical Fan: If Todd and his staff were coaching Vegas, there is no way in hell they have that point total.So I guess one could say that your entire premise is…wait for it…pointless.

    So Gallant has single handedly gotten Vegas to where they are?

    Interesting.

    I was unaware the head coach had those kinds of powers.

    If only he used that uber head coaching when he was with Florida.

  135. leadfarmer says:

    pts2pndr: Ok but in fairness who got the best chance at training camp JP or Smurfamoto? Speed is important! Size with speed trumps speed with small every time!

    Speed and skill trumps all. Size is nice and all

  136. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10: Last time I checked, Dallas Eakins wasn’t coaching the Oilers.

    Wait – Todd McClellan is single-handedly ruining the team and the development of every young player and stifling the career of all veterans – how is he not the worst coach in the modern era?

  137. OriginalPouzar says:

    pts2pndr: Ok but in fairness who got the best chance at training camp JP or Smurfamoto? Speed is important! Size with speed trumps speed with small every time!

    I don’t think that either should have made the team out of camp but, due to lack of winger depth, they really needed to keep one.

    Puljijarvi needed to go down to Bakersfield and work on certain parts of his game – he was tasked with specific finer points of the game such as stops and starts, angles, gaps and he worked on those areas (from accounts) and is a better player now full it.

  138. GMB3 says:

    Side: So Gallant has single handedly gotten Vegas to where they are?

    Interesting.

    I was unaware the head coach had those kinds of powers.

    If only he used that uber head coaching when he was with Florida.

    Well the team improved by nine points in his first year then had like 106 and he got fired in his third season after an 11-10 start. I think he did a pretty good job with those guys. And all his ex players love him. Can’t say the same about tmac

  139. Scungilli Slushy says:

    If Leon is staying with Connor a lot I like JP with Nuge. Nuge isn’t a play driver, I think JP is and will be. He likes to carry the puck and is a shooter and Nuge can use his speed and size. Yama should start with 3rd line at first.

    So LW is the issue. Which top 2 line for Luc? If he could find some Chem with Nuge and JP that would be great and put whomever is playing best and can skate and forecheck with CMD and Drai. They can drag anybody around.

    Yama adds some quickness to line 3 and skill, and gets some air to settle in. At least to start.

    Can they afford it? Next.

  140. Scungilli Slushy says:

    I don’t think Joe Thornton likes anybody but Burns. Beard fetish.

    I wouldn’t take his impressions as gospel, if we’re deciding if TMac is a player’s coach.

    Didn’t Scotty Bowman’s players not like him?

  141. Scungilli Slushy says:

    I am trading away the roster UFAs for speed and because cap

  142. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    I did not agree with the way JP was a healthy scratch so often last year but I guess they had some sort of agreement to burn year of his ELC like they did with Drai, in exchange for his leaving Europe.

    But they are far from ruining him. Godot may be right about one thing, though, and that is that JP may become our Hossa one day. The wheels, hands and defensive acumen, etc are there.

    I highly doubt JP ever sniffs 100 pts like Hossa did but he could be Marian Hossa with less offense but more of a heavy game. And he is already better than Marcel was.

  143. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    I am trading away the roster UFAs for speed and because cap

    Oops phone.

    This current group is strong when healthy 5v5 and that’s missing it’s best D in Sekera. Special Teams are correcting as they should and players mature. We can’t have ideal but the bones are there for a solid group until cap opens up, and avoids a crippling trade because PC is a slow learner about trade clauses and the effects of overpaying second and third tier players. Leon and Connor aren’t the real problems here.

    Sign Nurse at 4.75 x 8
    Benning on a 1.75 bridge
    Davidson at 1.6

    Caggiula at 1.5
    Slepy at 1.1
    Pak at .8
    Strome at 3
    Yama is up soon
    bring up or get two cheap decent forwards

    Cap 80 Hit 77.75 Bonus 2.73 Space 2.25

    Connor is off bonus so I doubt it all gets earned.

    Caggiula CMD Drai
    Luc Nuge JP
    Slepy Strome Yama
    Pak Khaira Kassian
    Xx xx

    Nurse Larsson
    Klef Benning
    Sekera Russell
    Davidson

    Talbot Montoya

    I think that’s a good team when healthy. For a season, and the following summer is a better UFA group and there should be ample cap with an increase and a less expensive 3rd pair.

  144. N64 says:

    Would be very happy to see this team get to true .500 i.e. 18 wins in the last 31 games.

    If they double their current 4 bettman points, a 18-9-4 finish would only get them to 41-33-8 and 90 points.

  145. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    I think this team can survive the loss of Maroon. He has value but if he wants 4m or more we can do better.

    Someone with some speed and a bit of an edge to his game.

    Right now running Maroon, Lucic, Cammalleri left side there just isn’t enough speed. Lucic can’t be moved. Cammy or his replacement will come cheap. Leaves Maroon out.

    Even if the Oilers go 8-2 until the deadline they are still going to be 6-8 pts out of a playoff spot. They are out of tarmac with too many teams to leapfrog. But they can salvage a bad season by at least making a big run and setting up for next year.

    I mean, I love the optimism but the team has gone 5-1-1 in the past 7 and made up no ground. None. Still 12 points out.

  146. GMB3 says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    I don’t think Joe Thornton likes anybody but Burns. Beard fetish.

    I wouldn’t take his impressions as gospel, if we’re deciding if TMac is a player’s coach.

    Didn’t Scotty Bowman’s players not like him?

    Well I think they respected him and Scotty bowmans actually won something. George’s has made some informative posts about mclellans record compared to other coaches and it really doesn’t look like he is capable out of getting more out of a group.

    And yeah he’s highly respected within hockey Canada but so is kevin lowe

  147. N64 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Wait – Todd McClellan is single-handedly ruining the team and the development of every young player and stifling the career of all veterans – how is he not the worst coach in the modern era?

    ~ Eakins ~

  148. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Oops phone.

    This current group is strong when healthy 5v5 and that’s missing it’s best D in Sekera. Special Teams are correcting as they should and players mature. We can’t have ideal but the bones are there for a solid group until cap opens up, and avoids a crippling trade because PC is a slow learner about trade clauses and the effects of overpaying second and third tier players. Leon and Connor aren’t the real problems here.

    Sign Nurse at 4.75 x 8
    Benning on a 1.75 bridge
    Davidson at 1.6

    Caggiula at 1.5
    Slepy at 1.1
    Pak at .8
    Strome at 3
    Yama is up soon
    bring up or get two cheap decent forwards

    Cap 80 Hit 77.75 Bonus 2.73 Space 2.25

    Connor is off bonus so I doubt it all gets earned.

    Caggiula CMD Drai
    Luc Nuge JP
    Slepy Strome Yama
    Pak Khaira Kassian
    Xx xx

    Nurse Larsson
    Klef Benning
    Sekera Russell
    Davidson

    Talbot Montoya

    I think that’s a good team when healthy. For a season, and the following summer is a better UFA group and there should be ample cap with an increase and a less expensive 3rd pair.

    I am concerned about Talbot but next season should be a hot one again if the pattern repeats. I would trade him if I found a better G available but that isn’t likely.

    I might also have different role players depending on my UFA deals.

  149. pts2pndr says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    I don’t think Joe Thornton likes anybody but Burns. Beard fetish.

    I wouldn’t take his impressions as gospel, if we’re deciding if TMac is a player’s coach.

    Didn’t Scotty Bowman’s players not like him?

    Scungilli Slushy:
    I don’t think Joe Thornton likes anybody but Burns. Beard fetish.

    I wouldn’t take his impressions as gospel, if we’re deciding if TMac is a player’s coach.

    Didn’t Scotty Bowman’s players not like him?

    ,Scotty,s teams won Stanley Cups sort of makes the comparisons moot I do believe!

  150. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    So Bob McKenzie says everyone on the Rangers is available.

    What if the Oilers sold Maroon and acquired JT Miller instead? He doesn’t have the rep Hoffman does and should cost less. Only 25 yrs old and can skate. Good hands and has played some centre but is better suited for left wing. I see him go to the net a lot.

    RFA who made 2.75m this year. 2 x 3.5m next deal?

  151. Scungilli Slushy says:

    GMB3: Well I think they respected him and Scotty bowmans actually won something. George’s has made some informative posts about mclellans record compared to other coaches and it really doesn’t look like he is capable out of getting more out of a group.

    And yeah he’s highly respected within hockey Canada but so is kevin lowe

    I don’t think he’s the best coach but not the worst, and at the moment their isn’t a clear upgrade. Chiarelli mentioned it with LeBrun and I think he’s right, it’s hard to find good NHL coaches which is why guys with track record and no crazy get snapped up and recycled.

    ** Is Marc Crawford crazy?

  152. Scungilli Slushy says:

    pts2pndr:
    ,Scotty,s teams won Stanley Cups sort of makes the comparisons mootI do believe!

    He didn’t start out with a trunk full of Stanleys.

  153. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Scungilli Slushy,

    Fuck no to Marc Crawford. I could not cheer for a Crawford-coached team.

  154. Scungilli Slushy says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    So Bob McKenzie says everyone on the Rangers is available.

    What if the Oilers sold Maroon and acquired JT Miller instead? He doesn’t have the rep Hoffman does and should cost less. Only 25 yrs old and can skate. Good hands and has played some centre but is better suited for left wing. I see him go to the net a lot.

    RFA who made 2.75m this year. 2 x 3.5m next deal?

    That would likely mean trading out a big salary. I don’t think they can bridge Nurse low enough to add a larger salary which means Nuge Klefbom or Larsson.

    I think it’s too risky to do because a winger might get 10 more goals or less than Cags or Slapy given the same 82 and usage.

    And what if they don’t produce? Most available wingers aren’t sure things to score the best and most consistent being Patches, but there is still risk there and cost.

  155. Scungilli Slushy says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    Scungilli Slushy,

    Fuck no to Marc Crawford. I could not cheer for a Crawford-coached team.

    I was not suggesting him as coach but making a point about recycled coaches and how he can’t get a HC job, so is he crazy?

    The Canucks were the most disliked team by opponents for more than winning.

    I’d burn jerseys if that happened.

  156. pts2pndr says:

    Scungilli Slushy,

    Fair point! I agree with you re the roster as is when healthy should be a playoff team! I believe that this year was a perfect storm so to speak where anthing that could go wrong did! I think the final games of the season will give us a much better idea of where changes need to be made. I am convinced though there is no easy answer!

  157. OriginalPouzar says:

    Maksimov with a first period assist.

  158. Scungilli Slushy says:

    pts2pndr:
    Scungilli Slushy,

    Fair point! I agree with you re the roster as is when healthy should be a playoff team! I believe that this year was a perfect storm so to speak where anthing that could go wrong did! I think the final games of the season will give us a much better idea of where changes need to be made. I am convinced though there is no easy answer!

    I agree

  159. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Scungilli Slushy: That would likely mean trading out a big salary. I don’t think they can bridge Nurse low enough to add a larger salary which means Nuge Klefbom or Larsson.

    I think it’s too risky to do because a winger might get 10 more goals or less than Cags or Slapy given the same 82 and usage.

    And what if they don’t produce? Most available wingers aren’t sure things to score the best and most consistent being Patches, but there is still risk there and cost.

    I was suggesting him as the Maroon replacement. I would rather Miller than Maroon at 3.5m or Hoffman at 5.1m

    What else would we do? Cut ties with Maroon and not replace him at all?

  160. OriginalPouzar says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    I did not agree with the way JP was a healthy scratch so often last year but I guess they had some sort of agreement to burnyear of his ELC like they did with Drai, in exchange for his leavingEurope.

    Burning a year of his ELC was a smart move – it will, in all likelihood, make his second contract cheaper – the cap hit will rise a year earlier but it will likely be lower than if he played an extra season and was further developed (and a better player) when it was due.

  161. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    OriginalPouzar: Burning a year of his ELC was a smart move – it will, in all likelihood, make his second contract cheaper – the cap hit will rise a year earlier but it will likely be lower than if he played an extra season and was further developed (and a better player) when it was due.

    Like it worked for Draisaitl? It was not a smart move. It was a move made to curry favour with a player. It did not work out last time. It in fact backfired.

    How will it work out this time? It remains to be seen.

    But you can’t yet call it a smart move.

    If it was so smart why isn’t every other team doing this?

  162. Side says:

    GMB3: Well the team improved by nine points in his first year then had like 106 and he got fired in his third season after an 11-10 start. I think he did a pretty good job with those guys. And all his ex players love him. Can’t say the same about tmac

    Todd’s first year with the Oilers he improved the team by 8 points.

    Todd’s second year with the Oilers he got to 103 points.

    Todd’s third year with the Oilers he was 7-12-2.

    I know Todd has McDavid, but 2/3 years he had some pretty flawed teams to coach.

    Now I’m not saying Todd is better than Gallant, or Gallant is not good. All I’m saying is, godot is giving the impression like Gallant is some uber coach and Todd is a complete bum, when I don’t think they are too far off from eachother.

    Golden Knights are a total anomaly in every aspect of their success. I do not think their success is the result of Gallant carrying everyone on his back. I would be amazed if they performed this well, next year, with the same roster. To be honest, I think everyone in the Golden Knights org would be amazed if they pulled this off again next year.

  163. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Wait – Todd McClellan is single-handedly ruining the team and the development of every young player and stifling the career of all veterans – how is he not the worst coach in the modern era?

    Mediocre means mediocre. It doesn’t mean worst.

  164. Side says:

    godot10: Mediocre means mediocre.It doesn’t mean worst.

    You say mediocre, but all of your posts are dripping with hyperbole about how bad Todd is which implies he is worse than mediocre.

    It’s not fooling anyone.

  165. godot10 says:

    Side: You say mediocre, but all of your posts are dripping with hyperbole about how bad Todd is which implies he is worse than mediocre.

    It’s not fooling anyone.

    You clearly don’t remember my posts about the dementor.

  166. Side says:

    godot10: You clearly don’t remember my posts about the dementor.

    Probably because they blend together with your posts about Todd so well.

  167. Scungilli Slushy says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): I was suggesting him as the Maroon replacement. I would ratherMiller than Maroon at 3.5m or Hoffman at 5.1m

    What else would we do? Cut ties with Maroon and not replace him at all?

    It seems that they have to move salary to sign a new player or Maroon above replacement level. See my well considered and highly informative comment above 🖖🏻

  168. russ99 says:

    So with 51 games played, we’re just .189 goals per game scored below last year’s totals

    Yet we’ve allowed .61 more goals per game more than last year.

    Sure, the offense, less skill on the roster and scoring forwards are the problem.

  169. OriginalPouzar says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): Like it worked for Draisaitl? It was not a smart move. It was a move made to curry favour with a player. It did not work out last time. It in fact backfired.

    How will it work out this time? It remains to be seen.

    But you can’t yet call it a smart move.

    If it was so smart why isn’t every other team doing this?

    Yes, like it worked for Drai who is pretty much at a PPG now – imagine his contract if he put together a season with even better point per game production then last year, almost all at evens and with significantly less time with McDavid.

  170. frjohnk says:

    russ99:
    So with 51 games played, we’re just .189 goals per game scored below last year’s totals

    Yet we’ve allowed .61 more goals per game more than last year.

    Sure, the offense, less skill on the roster and scoring forwards are the problem.

    Goals in the league are up .16 per game.
    Small difference but enough that the goals for numbers don’t look as good while the against look better for the Oilers year over year when looking at the numbers you provided.

  171. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    OriginalPouzar: Yes, like it worked for Drai who is pretty much at a PPG now – imagine his contract if he put together a season with even better point per game production then last year, almost all at evens and with significantly less time with McDavid.

    Well when MacT did that I am sure he did not factor in that Chia would be making the deal.

    Agree to disagree on this having worked to the Oilers’ benefit.

    We aren’t going to convince one another on it.

  172. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Scungilli Slushy: It seems that they have to move salary to sign a new player or Maroon above replacement level. See my well considered and highly informative comment above

    They do. It means they move Maroon, Strome, Letestu.
    JJ as 4C and they run 97 29 93 again. If they plan to move 93 then all this is moot.

  173. Bobcaygeon says:

    Lowetide: History tells us the key for Edmonton is to close the gap between what happens when McDavid is on the ice versus when McDavid is off the ice. All 97 has to do is be himself, mature as a player and stay healthy.

    How big is that gap? What does that look like?

  174. frjohnk says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): They do. It means they move Maroon, Strome, Letestu.
    JJ as 4C and they run 97 29 93 again. If they plan to move 93 then all this is moot.

    If Chia can get Maroon and Strome signed for just over $6M together, Chia might see that as better money spent than just Nuge at $6M. Nuge for pick/prospect.

  175. jtblack says:

    Bobcaygeon: How big is that gap? What does that look like?

    Well, WG & others have posted the numbers. I dont wan’t to be inaccurate; but essentially woth McDavid 55% … without 42%

    Bueller? Bueller?

  176. frjohnk says:

    Bobcaygeon: How big is that gap? What does that look like?

    Not good.
    On twitter today Woodguy showed that with McDavid on the ice Oilers had a GF% of 59.2%
    McDavid on the bench and Oilers GF% of 43.3%

  177. HT Joe says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    Scungilli Slushy,

    Fuck no to Marc Crawford. I could not cheer for a Crawford-coached team.

    Just imagine… 3-on-3 OT ends without a goal, shootout about to start. Crawford submits his list of shooters. After the dust settles, the Oilers lose, without McDavid getting a chance as one of the shooters.

    Camera pans to Gretzky, turning red with a vein throbbing by his temple and a twitch in his left eye…

  178. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    HT Joe: Just imagine… 3-on-3 OT ends without a goal, shootout about to start.Crawford submits his list of shooters.After the dust settles, the Oilers lose, without McDavid getting a chance as one of the shooters.

    Camera pans to Gretzky, turning red with a vein throbbing by his temple and a twitch in his left eye…

    He will never be forgiven for that nor for numerous other Canuck things i will hate him for. Rather lose with TMac than win with Crow.

  179. Gret99zky says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    I think this team can survive the loss of Maroon. He has value but if he wants 4m or more we can do better.

    Someone with some speed and a bit of an edge to his game.

    Right now running Maroon, Lucic, Cammalleri left side there just isn’t enough speed. Lucic can’t be moved. Cammy or his replacement will come cheap.Leaves Maroon out.

    Report: Oilers, Maroon trying to work out extension before trade deadline.

    https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/1481257-report-oilers-maroon-trying-to-work-out-extension-before-trade-deadline

    Oh-oh.

    The thing that makes Maroon so attractive is his salary. $1.5M. The Ducks still chipping in $.

    The moment Chia signs him to a $3-4M per year extension that’s all out the window.

    I’d rather Chia find the next Maroon (value player who can play with McD) than sign this one.

  180. JimmyV1965 says:

    frjohnk: If Chia can get Maroon and Strome signed for just over $6M together, Chia might see that as better money spent than just Nuge at $6M. Nuge for pick/prospect.

    Would much much much rather have one RNH than Maroon and Strome. Always take the best player.

  181. Bobcaygeon says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Oops phone.

    This current group is strong when healthy 5v5 and that’s missing it’s best D in Sekera. Special Teams are correcting as they should and players mature. We can’t have ideal but the bones are there for a solid group until cap opens up, and avoids a crippling trade because PC is a slow learner about trade clauses and the effects of overpaying second and third tier players. Leon and Connor aren’t the real problems here.

    Sign Nurse at 4.75 x 8
    Benning on a 1.75 bridge
    Davidson at 1.6

    Caggiula at 1.5
    Slepy at 1.1
    Pak at .8
    Strome at 3
    Yama is up soon
    bring up or get two cheap decent forwards

    Cap 80 Hit 77.75 Bonus 2.73 Space 2.25

    Connor is off bonus so I doubt it all gets earned.

    Caggiula CMD Drai
    Luc Nuge JP
    Slepy Strome Yama
    Pak Khaira Kassian
    Xx xx

    Nurse Larsson
    Klef Benning
    Sekera Russell
    Davidson

    Talbot Montoya

    I think that’s a good team when healthy. For a season, and the following summer is a better UFA group and there should be ample cap with an increase and a less expensive 3rd pair.

    IMHO this is not a playoff team, in fact. This might be a lottery team, no offense but Slepyshev , Caggiula , Pakarinen , Khaira and Strome with the lose of Maroon where is the scoring coming from??
    This lineup is solely dependent on McDavid & Draisaitl scoring the issues away….

    Thats a bad team you got there…

  182. Bobcaygeon says:

    frjohnk: Not good.
    On twitter today Woodguy showed that with McDavid on the ice Oilers had a GF% of 59.2%
    McDavid on the bench and Oilers GF% of 43.3%

    Thanks for that…..I usually read WG twitter but missed that, I knew the gap was big but thats a massive gap…

  183. frjohnk says:

    JimmyV1965: Would much much much rather have one RNH than Maroon and Strome. Always take the best player.

    Nuge is our 3rd best forward, but I’m OK with trading Nuge but only if we get value back. Trading him because we need cap space is a clear sign of Chia painting himself into a corner.

  184. Bobcaygeon says:

    Gret99zky: Report: Oilers, Maroon trying to work out extension before trade deadline.

    https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/1481257-report-oilers-maroon-trying-to-work-out-extension-before-trade-deadline

    Oh-oh.

    The thing that makes Maroon so attractive is his salary.$1.5M.The Ducks still chipping in $.

    The moment Chia signs him to a $3-4M per year extension that’s all out the window.

    I’d rather Chia find the next Maroon (value player who can play with McD) than sign this one.

    This to me is why Lucic has to go….

    I’d rather have Maroon at 3.5 than Lucic at 6.0….I honestly think if Chiarelli is going to turn this roster around the trading of Lucic has to happen.

  185. Bobcaygeon says:

    frjohnk: Nuge is our 3rd best forward, but I’m OK with trading Nuge but only if we get value back. Trading him because we need cap space is a clear sign of Chia painting himself into a corner.

    That’s already happened…

  186. Gret99zky says:

    Bobcaygeon: This to me is why Lucic has to go….

    I’d rather have Maroon at 3.5 than Lucic at 6.0….I honestly think if Chiarelli is going to turn this roster around the trading of Lucic has to happen.

    Shedding Lucic (without retaining $) would be ideal.

    Nearly impossible, though.

  187. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Lucic got his NMC and 7 year deal so that he would not be dealt nor bought out. So why would he give that up?

    It’s Chia’s fault for agreeing to it.

    The own goal was made worse by the Russell deal.

    Both players are decent players but each with major flaws. But 10m paid to those 2 while we have to choose between Nuge and Maroon is all Chia boxing himself in.

    Imagine next when Seattle comes in and you have NMCs to Lucic, Russell you have to put on your list.

    McDavid, Drai, Lucic, Pulju
    Nurse, Klef, Larsson, Russell

    Goodbye Yamamoto or Benson or Jones or Bear

  188. Yeti says:

    Gret99zky: Shedding Lucic (without retaining $) would be ideal.

    Nearly impossible, though.

    Sorry, but I’m just addicted to writing these…

    There was a left winger called Lucic,
    Whose reputation was awfully brutish.
    He could hit but not score,
    Pay him six million more.
    And pray his contract might end rather soonish.

  189. OriginalPouzar says:

    Hebig with a couple of goals in the last 5 minutes (the 2nd an empty netter) in a 5-2 win.

  190. Munny says:

    I would much rather re-sign Maroon than give up assets to replace him with Miller, Hoffman, whoever.

    Not that I don’t think Hoffman is a better player. But I’m not willing to give up much to acquire him when I have a serviceable player like Maroon already in the fold. And much is what it is going to take. Miller ain’t coming here for a 3rd either, or even a 3rd and a 2nd tier prospect.

  191. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Munny,

    I may have underestimated Miller’s value around the league. I thought our high 2nd and a D prospect might do it. Then trade Maroon for a 2nd which will be later of course.

    If that is not enough then yeah, pass. Hoffman asking price seems way too high. Plus we can’t afford 5.1m

  192. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bobcaygeon: IMHO this is not a playoff team, in fact. This might be a lottery team, no offense but Slepyshev , Caggiula , Pakarinen , Khaira and Strome with the lose of Maroon where is the scoring coming from??
    This lineup is solely dependent on McDavid & Draisaitl scoring the issues away….

    Thats a bad team you got there…

    I’m going to have to agree.

    Firstly, I think there is zero chance that Nurse signs for $4.75M with term – he may sign at that AAV but on a bridge.

    Going in to any season with Caggulia slotted in to the top 6, let alone the top line is a season set up for failure.

    I am currently liking what Drake is bringing on the 3rd line playing with Strome – I’m just hopeful they can continue building chemsitry and maybe, just maybe, forming a solid third line.

    Going in to the season with Benning as the 2RD failed this year – sure it may work next year but my focus is an upgrade at the 2RD position.

  193. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bobcaygeon: This to me is why Lucic has to go….

    I’d rather have Maroon at 3.5 than Lucic at 6.0….I honestly think if Chiarelli is going to turn this roster around the trading of Lucic has to happen.

    I’d rather have Maroon than Lucic as well (at those price points), however, if Lucic goes then we do need to find a new top 6LW and 50 points – granted, $6M does go far.

  194. Gret99zky says:

    Munny:
    I would much rather re-sign Maroon than give up assets to replace him with Miller, Hoffman, whoever.

    Maroon at $4M per who can’t piss a drop away from McDavid? Yikes.

  195. JimmyV1965 says:

    I think we need to trade Maroon, unless it will do something completely awful inside the dressing room. I think we can acquire a significant asset in a deadline deal. Even if we’re close to the playoffs at the deadline he should go. We can always resign him in the summer.

    I think part of the problem with Chia is he gets ideas in his head that we must have certain players. And signs them at any cost. Although I like him better than Lucic, the loss of his on ice performance will have only a tiny ripple on this team.

  196. godot10 says:

    Even of one wants to re-sign Maroon (which
    would be a mistake), one should trade him
    and then sign him back on July 1.

    Negotiating now means the contract will be one
    year too long with some no trade provisions.

    Russell all over again.

    Chiarelli is locking in a low ceiling.

  197. OriginalPouzar says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    Lucic got his NMC and 7 year deal so that he would not be dealt nor bought out. So why would he give that up?

    It’s Chia’s fault for agreeing to it.

    The own goal was made worse by the Russell deal.

    Both players are decent players but each with major flaws. But 10m paid to those 2 while we have to choose between Nuge and Maroon is all Chia boxing himself in.

    Imagine next when Seattle comes in and you have NMCs to Lucic, Russell you have to put on your list.

    McDavid, Drai, Lucic, Pulju
    Nurse, Klef, Larsson, Russell

    Goodbye Yamamoto or Benson or Jones or Bear

    1) Lucic’s NMC does not mean that he is not willing to be traded but simply that he has a say in it, a veto. I don’t doubt that his wife and kids do like Edmonton but I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he agrees to waive to go to a number of destinations. Would anyone be shocked if he refused a trade to NY, LA, CHI, PHI, ANA, etc.? In fact, I would be surprised if he blocked any such trade.

    2) From accounts, the expansion draft rules will be very similar to the Vegas draft and, given the rumored timing of the SEA franchise, Benson and Yamamoto will be exempt.

  198. who says:

    OriginalPouzar: I’d rather have Maroon than Lucic as well (at those price points), however, if Lucic goes then we do need to find a new top 6LW and 50 points – granted, $6M does go far.

    Munny:
    I would much rather re-sign Maroon than give up assets to replace him with Miller, Hoffman, whoever.

    Not that I don’t think Hoffman is a better player.But I’m not willing to give up much to acquire him when I have a serviceable player like Maroon already in the fold.And much is what it is going to take.Miller ain’t coming here for a 3rd either, or even a 3rd and a 2nd tier prospect.

    Resigning Maroon is a terrible idea unless Lucic is gone. And that just ain’t going to happen.
    Having two lead foot wingers locked into your top six would be brutal. Paying them a combined 10 million would be nauseating. Can’t believe anyone thinks this is a good idea.

  199. Gret99zky says:

    Shedding one or both of Russell and Lucic would go a long way to Chia’s recovery as GM.

    Overpaying Maroon and Strome will be his death knell.

  200. OriginalPouzar says:

    Gret99zky: Maroon at $4M per who can’t piss a drop away from McDavid?Yikes.

    I don’t have this year’s numbers but last year Maroon was one of the very few Oilers that had positive possession metrics away from McDavid.

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