G52 2017-18: Oilers at Kings

The Edmonton Oilers are 5-1-1 in their last seven games and will need to repeat that several times over just to be (very likely) disappointed on the season’s final day. This California trip is a good test for how this month could turn out. I’m thinking 1-1-1 but this Oilers team defies prediction. We’re just going to have to wait and see. It is important to win as many games as possible, to have regression in save percentage and on special teams, to see Klefbom and Sekera come all the way back, to have the young Finnish winger scoring with regularity.

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CALIFORNIA SUN, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • February 2016: 2-0-0, goal differential +9 (4 points)
  • February 2017: 0-2-0, goal differential -3
  • February 2018: 1-0-1, goal differential +3 (3 points)
  • February 6, 2016: Montreal 5, Edmonton 1 (Source)
  • February 5, 2017: Edmonton 1, Montreal 0 (SO) (Source)

This year’s Oilers looked pretty damned good last game but so much of the good has been followed by the bad or indifferent. Edmonton in 2017-18 has been a mirage in the days after a win.

AFTER 51, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers 15-16: 20-26-5, goal differential -26 (45 points)
  • Oilers 16-17: 28-15-8, goal differential +21 (64 points)
  • Oilers 17-18: 23-24-4, goal differential -20 (50 points)
  • February 4, 2016: Edmonton 7, Ottawa 2 (Source)
  • January 31, 2017: Minnesota 5, Edmonton 2 (Source)

The Oilers could reach the point-per-game plateau with a victory tonight. Such a weird season, you would have thought that would have been done by Halloween.

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM FEBRUARY, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • At home to: Colorado, Tampa Bay (Expected 0-1-1) (Actual 1-0-1)
  • On the road to: Los Angeles, Anaheim, San Jose (Expected 1-1-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Florida (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Vegas, Arizona, Colorado (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Boston, Colorado (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Los Angeles, Anaheim, San Jose (Expected 0-2-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 5-6-3, 13 points in 14 games
  • Current results: 1-0-1, three points in two games

I have tonight as a win, with the rest of the road trip being more difficult. Edmonton won the special teams battle against Tampa Bay, can they do it again versus the Kings? Watch out for the goalie tonight in Los Angeles, their starter has fallen on bad times at the exact moment the backup turned into Bernie Parent.

In the tweet thread from WheatNOil, he qualified his work above, saying “I’m not sure if my method was the best way to do it. Certainly cutting off a lot of players and maybe that skewed the numbers but it does point to a strange year in depth scoring.” Still, it’s an interesting thought and gives us a different view of this team’s forward group.

GOD’S FLASHLIGHT

  1. Connor McDavid 2.93
  2. Leon Draisaitl 2.62
  3. Milan Lucic 1.84
  4. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 1.80
  5. Patrick Maroon 1.79
  6. Jesse Puljujarvi 1.76
  7. Jujhar Khaira 1.76
  8. Mike Cammalleri 1.57
  9. Ryan Strome 1.56
  10. Zack Kassian 1.26
  11. Drake Caggiula 1.20
  12. Mark Letestu 1.80
  13. Anton Slepyshev 1.00
  14. Iiro Pakarinen 0.70
  15. Natural Stat Trick

The Oilers 5×5 scoring is promising in several areas. McDavid and Leon are rockets all down the line, and the team has several men scoring around a second-line level. In fact, Ryan Strome, who is technically third line based on these numbers, is the No.9 man currently. There’s some depth here, helped by the development of youngsters Puljujarvi and Khaira. Good teams get plenty from losing seasons, Edmonton has a few stories to tell.

Maroon is in a good spot, I think that contract of his will mean Edmonton receives a reasonable return. Jakob Forsbacka-Karlsson? Jordan Schmaltz? Don’t know. Zack Smith has a better balloon and is in a stronger spot than I’d imagined.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, TSN1260. Another Oilers game day which seems strange but get used to it there are a ton on the way. Scheduled to appear:

  • Darcy McLeod, Because Oilers. Chiarelli’s team is facing some tough decisions. Is there a way to thread the needle here?
  • Max Domi, Arizona Coyotes. Young NHL forward is putting his name behind the JDRF Walk to Cure Diabetes and we’ll discuss it.

More to come on a fluid show, 10-1260 text @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

 

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  1. flyfish1168 says:

    830 game time. Going to need a nap after work to stay up to watch this one

  2. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    flyfish1168:
    830 game time. Going to need a nap after work to stay up to watch this one

    Heh. Try my timezone. 😉

  3. OmJo says:

    Re compliance buyout from last thread: how sure are we that Chiarelli will even use it? The two bad contracts are his signings, one only a year old, the other a longtime friend.

  4. OriginalPouzar says:

    Question Number 1: Can McDavid go absolutely supernova 2 games in a row?

    I would say last game was the 2nd time he’s done so this year (first game of the year against the flames) – I have a feeling he might throw out a very similar performance tonight.

  5. OriginalPouzar says:

    I wonder who the Kings will play in net tonight – Quick, is, well, Quick, but Kuemper is hot and hasn’t allowed a goal in three games.

  6. zatch says:

    Since I live in Ottawa, I go to the games here and in Montreal, and let me tell you, that 1-0 SO win was the worst damn hockeygame I’ve ever seen. The Jags-Bills WC game of Oilers games. Rarely have I seen two teams so uninterested in playing a game.

  7. OriginalPouzar says:

    Some have been saying for most of the season that, while inconsistent, the even strength offence has been just fine this year – the season went down the tubes in net and on special teams.

    I feel both goaltending and special teams will be greatly improved next season (special cannon not be, its almost impossible) and I think its a good bet to think Talbot will improve next season (somewhere in between last year and this year) and a proven and established veteran back-up should help.

  8. bendelson says:

    That big blue bubble on the Vollman usage chart is in a surprising location for my Letestu replacement, Derek Ryan. I did not expect to see such a dramatic OZ push…

  9. OriginalPouzar says:

    flyfish1168:
    830 game time. Going to need a nap after work to stay up to watch this one

    At least they picked the best weekday of the month to have a perverse start time for me. Normal wake up time is 2:37 6 days/week for the 3:10 gym, however, normal Thursday’s is “rest day” so wake up time is 4am for some like cardio on the home treadmill.

    I actually have a medical appointment at 7:30 tomorrow morning and have to fast so, while I will still get up to do the light cardio, I can’t eat after – I might be able to sleep in until 5am – I don’t think I’ve done that in over a year.

  10. OriginalPouzar says:

    OmJo:
    Re compliance buyout from last thread: how sure are we that Chiarelli will even use it? The two bad contracts are his signings, one only a year old, the other a longtime friend.

    Chiarelli has showed a willingness to walk away from mistakes (Reinhart, Jokinen) so I am confident that Lucic being his signing won’t be a factor.

    With that said, as I posted in the last thread, there is no certainty that Compliance Buyouts will be a thing and, if they are at thing, there is no certainty that they will be structured the same as last time.

    All this will be part of the overall negotiations.

  11. frjohnk says:

    OriginalPouzar: Some have been saying for most of the season that, while inconsistent, the even strength offence has been just fine this year

    Even strength scoring is 12th
    5 on 5 scoring is 13th
    All strength scoring is 21st.

    I wonder how the Oilers with McDavid off the ice compare to other teams with their best player off the ice. Would not be surprised to see Oilers with McDavid off the ice rank in the 20’s when compared to other teams with their best player off the ice.
    Hint hint Woodguy new blog post

  12. frjohnk says:

    OriginalPouzar: Chiarelli has showed a willingness to walk away from mistakes (Reinhart, Jokinen) so I am confident that Lucic being his signing won’t be a factor.

    With that said, as I posted in the last thread, there is no certainty that Compliance Buyouts will be a thing and, if they are at thing, there is no certainty that they will be structured the same as last time.

    All this will be part of the overall negotiations.

    The current CBA runs its course after the 2021-22 season.
    Lucic has 1 season in his contract after that.

  13. OmJo says:

    OriginalPouzar: Chiarelli has showed a willingness to walk away from mistakes (Reinhart, Jokinen) so I am confident that Lucic being his signing won’t be a factor.

    With that said, as I posted in the last thread, there is no certainty that Compliance Buyouts will be a thing and, if they are at thing, there is no certainty that they will be structured the same as last time.

    All this will be part of the overall negotiations.

    That’s fair.

    But he had no relationship with either player, unlike Lucic. Lucic took a significant paycut (allegedly, fom the Habs) to sign here.

  14. OmJo says:

    frjohnk: The current CBA runs its course after the 2021-22 season.
    Lucic has 1 season in his contract after that.

    So the damage from the bad contracts will already be done by the time the CBA expires? Russell’s expires that season.

    Well then…

  15. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – Spector has a nice piece up about why can’t the NHL increase offence like they have in the NFL and NBA. This has been a hobby-horse of mine for years. Flow of Hockey is not engaging IMO

    – They even have Lucic saying the point for the loser goes against grain of sport, and they should have 10 minute 3-3 if need be.

    – Slow-mo replays for contact against the Goalie, slo-mo for off-side: these are reduction in offense initiatives. At least goals are up a little this year…

    – RNH is booking a ticket out if they continue winning without him: which would be a shame IMO

    – Georges: I’ve enjoyed your comments: I don’t believe you are giving luck its due though.

    *LT – Is Letetsu 1.80 5×5?

  16. who says:

    OmJo: That’s fair.

    But he had no relationship with either player, unlike Lucic. Lucic took a significant paycut (allegedly, fom the Habs) to sign here.

    The Habs offered Lucic more than Charelli eh?
    That makes sense. The Habs may have the worst GM in the league. But hey, at least he’s French.

  17. Primetime says:

    who: The Habs offered Lucic more than Charelli eh?
    That makes sense. The Habs may have the worst GM in the league. But hey, at least he’s French.

    If they trade Patches, would Bergeron reconsider Lucic as 1LW? Would Lucic consider going? Reunite with his Cup winning coach….

    One can dream…

  18. godot10 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:

    – RNH is booking a ticket out if they continue winning without him: which would be a shame IMO

    I think Schultz, Hall, and Eberle have told Nugent-Hopkins that the grass IS greener elsewhere, so don’t sweat it.

  19. OriginalPouzar says:

    OmJo: That’s fair.

    But he had no relationship with either player, unlike Lucic. Lucic took a significant paycut (allegedly, fom the Habs) to sign here.

    Fair point – he has a history with Lucic going back to Boston.

    With that said, as was just pointed out, Lucic’s contract only runs for a single year after the potential lockout/new CBA.

    As an aside, I don’t think MTL offered more money for Lucic than Edmonton. If I remember correctly, the reports were actually that the Oilers offered a year of extra term to get him here.

    I might be mis-remembering though.

  20. frjohnk says:

    OriginalPouzar: Fair point – he has a history with Lucic going back to Boston.

    With that said, as was just pointed out, Lucic’s contract only runs for a single year after the potential lockout/new CBA.

    As an aside, I don’t think MTL offered more money for Lucic than Edmonton.If I remember correctly, the reports were actually that the Oilers offered a year of extra term to get him here.

    I might be mis-remembering though.

    And was the Montreal contract buyout proof like the Oilers offer?

  21. godot10 says:

    There is an opt-out for either side in this CBA in September, 2019…i.e. the lockout or strike will be in October 2019, which is why most recently signed contracts (GM’s are idiots) have higher signing bonuses and less actual salary in the 2019-2020 season.

    The NHL will have the Seattle expansion money at stake, so the NHLPA will have some leverage.

  22. who says:

    Primetime: If they trade Patches, would Bergeron reconsider Lucic as 1LW?Would Lucic consider going?Reunite with his Cup winning coach….

    One can dream…

    I don’t think any GM, including Bergeron, considers Lucic a first line winger anymore. The game has changed so much in the last few years. Speed, agility and puck skills are dominating the game right now. Lucic brings none of these things.
    IF, Lucic agreed to a trade, Edmonton would have to retain 2 or 3 million or take back a bad contract. That’s why a Lucic for Weber trade does make some sense. I doubt both players agree to it though.

  23. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Having a healthy puck moving Sekera will make a big difference I think in team play.

    A big factor is everybosdy showing up next year healthy and ready to go. When everybody shows up they are a good team as is.

    Even better if they are smart and move on from the older guys. For example Khaira centering the 4th line would probably mean they could play a bigger role and actually drive a bit of consistent offense.

    Cammalleri you can see has his hockey brains but the legs and hands aren’t there. That kind of veteran presence is less helpful than using a younger winger that is growing. A fail is a fail when it happens, better it be for learning than a sign a player is losing his NHL game IMO.

    Every team has an imperfect roster and guys playing better and worse, not just the Oilers.

    Maybe the Oilers get lucky and find a deal where they are looking to reduce salary and improve the D trading Benning and a pick or lesser prospect for Faulk or Barrie, but it isn’t likely.

    To get a forward for next season means trading a good player, we know the names. But if you trade Nuge for Pacciorety does the team get better overall for a few more goals? Maybe if Strome and Khaira step and stay stepped up, but that is pretty risky.

    My feeling is that the wingers better than we have – Hoffman and Pacc say – are probably not the panacea we might think. Eriksson hasn’t been what the Dys thought they were buying. It happens so often.

    Connor doesn’t need a play driver like Pacc. Nuge does well with one, but he would probably be the price, and Drai doesn’t need one.

    ** I think JP can be the driver Nuge does better with.

  24. OriginalPouzar says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:

    – RNH is booking a ticket out if they continue winning without him: which would be a shame IMO

    I knew there would be comments like this if the team played well without Nuge – not surprising that Spector feels this way.

    The Jets are 11-2-3 without Schieffle – perhaps they should deal him?

  25. leadfarmer says:

    frjohnk: The current CBA runs its course after the 2021-22 season.
    Lucic has 1 season in his contract after that.

    While technically correct, either side can and most likely will opt out during the 2020-21 Season

  26. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    OriginalPouzar: I knew there would be comments like this if the team played well without Nuge – not surprising that Spector feels this way.

    The Jets are 11-2-3 without Schieffle – perhaps they should deal him?

    – Spector did not say this, his article was about offence. The RNH thing was my observation

    – I merely observed that it would be easier to move RNH if they continue to play well without him.

  27. N64 says:

    OriginalPouzar: I knew there would be comments like this if the team played well without Nuge – not surprising that Spector feels this way.

    The Jets are 11-2-3 without Schieffle – perhaps they should deal him?

    The RNH comment isn’t in the new spector article. think that’s kinger’s comment.

    In January Spector landed (for a while) at crazy too trade Nuge. Krazy, eh?

    “Which brings us to this salient point: Why WOULD you trade that player? As Edmonton’s third-best centre — who is proficient enough to play as their second-line centre — retaining Nugent-Hopkins as a part of the Oilers’ core gives McLellan the option of playing Leon Draisaitl on a line with Connor McDavid. Being deep down the middle is crucial, so even though the Oilers could use some help on the wings, common wisdom dictates you don’t trade a centre for a winger”.

  28. OmJo says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    IIRC it was 7.5M x 6 years, so a bit more money than we did.

  29. Bruce McCurdy says:

    godot10:
    There is an opt-out for either side in this CBA in September, 2019…i.e. the lockout or strike will be in October 2019, which is why most recently signed contracts (GM’s are idiots) have higher signing bonuses and less actual salary in the 2019-2020 season.

    The NHL will have the Seattle expansion money at stake, so the NHLPA will have some leverage.

    Both sides can opt out in 2019 September, which if either side exercise it would terminate the CBA a year later, as of 2020 September — 8 years instead of 10.

  30. Oilman99 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – Spector did not say this, his article was about offence.The RNH thing was my observation

    – I merely observed that it would be easier to move RNH if they continue to play well without him.

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – Spector did not say this, his article was about offence.The RNH thing was my observation

    – I merely observed that it would be easier to move RNH if they continue to play well without him.

    Moving RNH makes no sense,it just creats another hole to fill, with the current trend in salaries,he will be a bargain . Maroon should also be signed, replacing will only cost as much or more.

  31. frjohnk says:

    Oilman99: Moving RNH makes no sense

    Most agree that moving our 3rd best forward is foolish, but if Chia has painted himself into a corner (cap hell) and they only way out is by smashing a wall ( trading for RNH for picks/prospect) well, its the price one has to pay.

  32. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Russell and Sekera are both tradeable after next season. Russell has a 10 team list (no wording as to to or not to) and Sekera 15 (traded to).

    They were both UFA signings so there is no player asset cost to them.

    If they are traded as they should be or at least one of them, for cap management as opposed to their play, they won’t be trade deadline deals because they would have term left.

    That means the team can play the season out without the worry, and they won’t be lost in summer going UFA because the team will make the playoffs and teams aren’t going to move UFAs when doing well.

    It also means their value is as high as it can be because they have term and would be post season deals.

  33. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Oilman99:
    Moving RNH makes no sense,it just creats another hole to fill, with the current trend in salaries,he will be a bargain . Maroon should also be signed, replacing will only cost as much or more.

    – To be clear, I hope they don’t trade him (unless they get Faulk, or another trade where they improve). Success in his absence makes it more likely that he is moved though IMO.

  34. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    OriginalPouzar: I knew there would be comments like this if the team played well without Nuge – not surprising that Spector feels this way.

    The Jets are 11-2-3 without Schieffle – perhaps they should deal him?

    Makes perfect sense.

    OK then … Nuge for Schieffle.

    Sold. Now everyone can be happy. Well at least everyone in Edmonton.

  35. Scungilli Slushy says:

    OmJo:
    OriginalPouzar,

    IIRC it was 7.5M x 6 years, so a bit more money than we did.

    Chia gave him a contract that heavily favours the player, probably to get a lower rate. Luc is going to get paid for the whole contract which means a lot. A buyout can be a big hit to the player.

  36. meanashell11 says:

    frjohnk: The current CBA runs its course after the 2021-22 season.
    Lucic has 1 season in his contract after that.

    My understanding is the next lockout would be the 2020-21 season, so Lucic with two years left.

  37. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Oilman99:
    Moving RNH makes no sense,it just creats another hole to fill, with the current trend in salaries,he will be a bargain . Maroon should also be signed, replacing will only cost as much or more.

    You can’t replace Maroon unless it’s internally without moving out salary if you try Capfriendly.

    Keeping Maroon costs his salary and term as a 30 YO who isn’t a good skater, and one of Larsson, Klefbom, Nuge or maybe Strome.

    I like Maroon, but he only scored 42 pts with the best offensive centre in the league. He isn’t going to get 27 goals this year.

    This is my point about wanting a top line winger. There are few that are guaranteed to be high producers. Hoffman has been good but is getting older and is on pace for ~50 pts and his goal scoring is down. Is that a buy low opportunity or a buy decline opportunity?

    Pacc has a great track record and play stats so he’s the safest bet, what would he cost? The Oilers traded away the winger they now could use.

    The asset cost and/or cap hit makes it really hard to get a real cracker if you can get one to sign or find a deal.

  38. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oilman99:
    Moving RNH makes no sense,it just creats another hole to fill, with the current trend in salaries,he will be a bargain . Maroon should also be signed, replacing will only cost as much or more.

    Maroon’s production can likely be filled at a cap hit of $1M in the 2019/20 season with the likes of Yamamoto or perhaps Benson.

    This is why I’m hesitant to lock Maroon with term – we can fill the position with extreme value if we are patient and use the extra $3M elsewhere.

    Many aren’t willing to leave a hole there next year for the betterment of the long term cap structure – I am. A one-year stop gap (like Vanek in Vancouver last year) would be perfect.

  39. Scungilli Slushy says:

    OriginalPouzar: Many aren’t willing to leave a hole there next year for the betterment of the long term cap structure – I am. A one-year stop gap (like Vanek in Vancouver last year) would be perfect.

    Yup.

    I they move Seks and Russ when they can they are only carrying Lucic and in good cap shape relatively speaking.

    If Luc can keep playing as he has. ~50 pts and will still beat the day lights out of meatheads, it’s not that bad. They can add skill if he’s willing to be the police. With Khaira and Nurse that’s enough knuckles these days. Add speed and skill.

  40. leadfarmer says:

    meanashell11: My understanding is the next lockout would be the 2020-21 season, so Lucic with two years left.

    The NHL has to decide by Sept 1 2019, and NHLPA by Sept 19, 2019 if they want to lock out the 2020-21 season which they most likely will

  41. OriginalPouzar says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Yup.

    I they move Seks and Russ when they can they are only carrying Lucic and in good cap shape relatively speaking.

    If Luc can keep playing as he has. ~50 pts and will still beat the day lights out of meatheads, it’s not that bad. They can add skill if he’s willing to be the police. With Khaira and Nurse that’s enough knuckles these days. Add speed and skill.

    As we know, I’m hugely in favor of the one material acquisition this coming off season being a 1/2 RHD but its not realistic as its really contingent on getting out from under the Russell contract – I don’t see him waiving for a trade (nor management asking him too) and I don’t see him being bought out even with a great buyout structure.

    It would be more realistic to me to move Sekera as I think he’d be less hesitant to waive his NMC and he’s actually a really really good defenceman and I’m remiss to move him. I’m excited to have him at 100% in the fall – we need to remember, he is arguably our best d-man, a turd polisher and very solid at both ends of the ice.

    Sadly, I don’t see the ability to acquire the 1/2RD externally.

  42. Scungilli Slushy says:

    OriginalPouzar: As we know, I’m hugely in favor of the one material acquisition this coming off season being a 1/2 RHD but its not realistic as its really contingent on getting out from under the Russell contract – I don’t see him waiving for a trade (nor management asking him too) and I don’t see him being bought out even with a great buyout structure.

    It would be more realistic to me to move Sekera as I think he’d be less hesitant to waive his NMC and he’s actually a really really good defenceman and I’m remiss to move him.I’m excited to have him at 100% in the fall – we need to remember, he is arguably our best d-man, a turd polisher and very solid at both ends of the ice.

    Sadly, I don’t see the ability to acquire the 1/2RD externally.

    If Benning and Klef click Benning has some pretty decent numbers. As WG pointed out the mythical ‘PP shot from the point’ is a myth. I am sure between Sekera Klef and Nurse somebody can distribute the puck on the PP.

    And Nurse Klef and Benning can hammer it. Davie can too but I don’t think he’s a PP type. The others are young enough to learn to be better.

  43. JimmyV1965 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – Spector has a nice piece up about why can’t the NHL increase offence like they have in the NFL and NBA.This has been a hobby-horse of mine for years.Flow of Hockey is not engaging IMO

    – They even have Lucic saying the point for the loser goes against grain of sport, and they should have 10 minute 3-3 if need be.

    – Slow-mo replays for contact against the Goalie, slo-mo for off-side: these are reduction in offense initiatives.At least goals are up a little this year…

    – RNH is booking a ticket out if they continue winning without him: which would be a shame IMO

    – Georges: I’ve enjoyed your comments: I don’t believe you are giving luck its due though.

    *LT – Is Letetsu 1.80 5×5?

    The NHL clearly doesn’t care about offence. I still remember Ray Ferraro talking about redesigning the goalposts so that 50% more of the shots that hit the iron actually go in the net. I may be wrong about the exact number, but it would be a dramatic increase.

    He brought it up to the NHL and nothing ever happened. He didn’t want to change the net size, or mess with the depth of net. Simply change the way the posts are beveled. A simple microscopic change nobody would notice and still the NHL does nothing.

  44. OmJo says:

    Made the playoffs once and already in cap Hell.

    Damn it.

  45. OmJo says:

    OriginalPouzar: Sadly, I don’t see the ability to acquire the 1/2RD externally.

    Ridiculous that we traded a top three LW in the NHL and are still looking for a 1RD.

  46. thehop says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Sekera was at one time, the best defenceman on the roster. Not the case anymore.

    31 years old, coming off an ACL tear.

    History shows us that very few athletes ever return to form and almost never return to be better than they were before.. There are exceptions of course but I don’t think he is one of them.

    You assume Sekera at 100% next year will resemble Sekera pre ACL tear and that is very very unlikely.

    He was always a 2nd pairing/PP guy and if he regresses from there, what does that make him?

  47. bendelson says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    JimmyV1965,

    Either linesmen have gotten significantly worse at calling offsides this season or an unintended consequence of the ridiculous offside rules have them blowing down anything remotely close…
    thereby leading to even less goals scored.

  48. OriginalPouzar says:

    thehop:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Sekera was at one time, the best defenceman on the roster. Not the case anymore.

    31 years old, coming off an ACL tear.

    History shows us that very few athletes ever return to form and almost never return to be better than they were before.. There are exceptions of course but I don’t think he is one of them.

    You assume Sekera at 100% next year will resemble Sekera pre ACL tear and that is very very unlikely.

    He was always a 2nd pairing/PP guy and if he regresses from there, what does that make him?

    He was the best d-man on the roster last year and its pure speculation to say he won’t get back to form for next year.

    It is widely acknowledged that a player coming of a knee ligament surgery will not be 100% when able to play (as is the case now) but will generally be back to near 100% around a year (as will be the case for the start of camp next year).

    This is also 2018 with all sorts of technologies available both for the surgery and the recovery and, not to mention, the athletes themselves are in elite condition. Ryan Smyth came back 100% (after about a year) and I see no reason why Reggie can’t

    Sure, he may not get back to 100% ever but he very well, and even probably, will.

    All we can do is wait and find out.

  49. zatch says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Your bets seem like poor ones. All this still ignores the fact he’s 32 next year.

  50. OriginalPouzar says:

    Kuemper looks to be starting for the Kings – he hasn’t given up a goal in 3 games.

    Time to light up the back-up!

  51. OriginalPouzar says:

    32 isn’t that old, in particular considering the shape these athletes are in and dedication to training and rehab.

    Its not 1997 any more.

  52. BONE207 says:

    thehop:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Sekera was at one time, the best defenceman on the roster. Not the case anymore.

    31 years old, coming off an ACL tear.

    History shows us that very few athletes ever return to form and almost never return to be better than they were before.. There are exceptions of course but I don’t think he is one of them.

    You assume Sekera at 100% next year will resemble Sekera pre ACL tear and that is very very unlikely.

    He was always a 2nd pairing/PP guy and if he regresses from there, what does that make him?

    Hi…I can only relate from my personal experience in Knee reconstruction. I was 37 when I blew mine. I worked like a demon to return to normal. OP would have shuddered. 4 months till I could run without pain. 6 months rehab with a physio & then I continued on my own. I would call it my good knee after that. I continue to play soccer many years later without a brace. Of course, every situation is different & cartilage damage makes a big difference with how much play there is in there. I think he will improve upon his current play once he has more confidence in the repair.

  53. zatch says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    I’m never sure when you’re taking the piss or not, but your weird, halfbaked handwaving of any potential issues for a player who will be decling due to age and coming off of a serious injury because “technology and things” will stop those issues from mattering is either lazy trolling or insanely wishful thinking.

  54. thehop says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    At 5.5 million, heading into the back end of a bloated contract with a NMC. It’s another shitty contract that will hinder the development of the back end.

    I’m rebutting your comment is because I would assume he should be the guy to go if they are looking to deplete the Leftorium.

    You’re speculating he will return to form. I’m speculating he won’t. Time will tell but I’m saying it won’t be long.

  55. leadfarmer says:

    thehop:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Sekera was at one time, the best defenceman on the roster. Not the case anymore.

    31 years old, coming off an ACL tear.

    History shows us that very few athletes ever return to form and almost never return to be better than they were before.. There are exceptions of course but I don’t think he is one of them.

    You assume Sekera at 100% next year will resemble Sekera pre ACL tear and that is very very unlikely.

    He was always a 2nd pairing/PP guy and if he regresses from there, what does that make him?

    You must go to some very crappy orthopedic surgeons. Professional athletes for the most part go to a few of the same orthopods around the US that have very good results in ACL repairs and not even first time repairs, some of these guys still recover pretty well from second repairs

  56. leadfarmer says:

    thehop:
    OriginalPouzar,

    At 5.5 million, heading into the back end of a bloated contract with a NMC. It’s another shitty contract that will hinder the development of the back end.

    I’m rebutting your comment is because I would assume he should be the guy to go if they are looking to deplete the Leftorium.

    You’re speculating he will return to form. I’m speculating he won’t. Time will tell but I’m saying it won’t be long.

    His issue is we dont need him anymore, not that he isnt going to continue to be a good player. Some smart team will get him on the cheap

  57. thehop says:

    leadfarmer: You must go to some very crappy orthopedic surgeons.Professional athletes for the most part go to a few of the same orthopods around the US that have very good results in ACL repairs and not even first time repairs, some of these guys still recover pretty well from second repairs

    My knees are 100% never had issues.

    I’m talking specifically about NHL defenceman, 30+ years in age. More specifically, Sekera who makes 5.5 million to play on a team with an abundance of LD. All of whom are better players and make less.

    Even if he does return to form, there are better options currently on the roster.

  58. OmJo says:

    who: I don’t think any GM, including Bergeron, considers Lucic a first line winger anymore.

    True, Bergeron would probably consider him a 1st line centre.

  59. dustrock says:

    Bergevin?

  60. GMB3 says:

    How much even strength production this year has been during garbage time? Feels to me like we score mostly in bunches and then struggle in other games. This is the same logic the glass bangers used to defend the Eberle trade.

    Let’s not forget the multiple times we’ve been shut out or laid an egg on home ice and pretend our offense is fine. Something something it’s tougher to score in the playoffs something something

  61. GMB3 says:

    thehop: My knees are 100% never had issues.

    I’m talking specifically about NHL defenceman, 30+ years in age. More specifically, Sekera who makes 5.5 million to play on a team with an abundance of LD. All of whom are better players and make less.

    Even if he does return to form, there are better options currently on the roster.

    Kris Russell! Better than Sekera 🤡

  62. thehop says:

    GMB3,

    At this point I would say yes.

    If he returns to form, his skills are replicated by younger cheaper players.

    Russell, warts and all, brings different things to the team than Sekera. Personally I would love to see them both playing elsewhere but if I had to argue for one to stay over the other, all things considered, I take Russell.

    Feel free to argue otherwise.

  63. jtblack says:

    OmJo: True, Bergeron would probably consider him a 1st line centre.

    +1 🙂

    Bergivin has the Price and Weber Anchor contracts ….. He has hurt that team so bad … Yes, even worse than PC here …

  64. Ribs says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – RNH is booking a ticket out if they continue winning without him: which would be a shame IMO

    Maybe they would finally feel safe trying him with McDavid, first?

  65. flea says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Um, OP, have you been watching the 2017-18 Oilers?

    Backups are their ultimate Achilles heel.

  66. thehop says:

    jtblack,

    If Bergevin calls and offer you Weber for Lucic straight up, do you do it?

  67. OriginalPouzar says:

    flea:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Um, OP, have you been watching the 2017-18 Oilers?

    Backups are their ultimate Achilles heel.

    Yes, tonight that changes – Oilers score another 4 plus.

  68. OriginalPouzar says:

    thehop:
    jtblack,

    If Bergevin calls and offer you Weber for Lucic straight up, do you do it?

    Nope – just way too long of a contract.

  69. dustrock says:

    thehop:
    jtblack,

    If Bergevin calls and offer you Weber for Lucic straight up, do you do it?

    8 MORE YEARS at $7.857 million!!!!!!!!!!

  70. dustrock says:

    https://www.stanleycupofchowder.com/2016/6/29/12061696/Salary-Cap-Recapture-Montreal-Canadiens-PK-Subban-Shea-Weber-Nashville-Predators–Flyers-Offer-Sheet

    So as long as Weber plays past 34, the Habs don’t have a cap recapture penalty.

    The Preds could be majorly burned if he retires early, though one doubts that would happen.

    Would you trade Looch if Montreal retains $2,857m against the cap/year?

    8 years of Weber at $5million?

  71. Woogie63 says:

    If you want to keep RNH next year your RSD are Larsson, Sekera, Benning and your bridge Nurse.

    Dump the Russell and or Sekera salary in the fall of 2019, to pay Nurse.

    If you want a RSD better than the one above you trade RNH.

    Maroon, Letestu, Cammi are slow boots that have to move on, and frankly they are replaceable by cheap UFA after July 15.

  72. Jethro Tull says:

    dustrock: 8 MORE YEARS at $7.857 million!!!!!!!!!!

    Let the record show that even smart GMs can do dumb things. I have no doubt Poile signed that in good faith, but then had a ‘Heads’ moment and shouted, “MY GOD, WHAT HAVE I DONE?”

    *Letting the days go by……..”

  73. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Defencemen that are slow are rapidly disappearing from the league. Forwards as well, but D get exposed more because they are fewer and play more. It’s hard to hide defencemen.

    Weber would be a very risky bet moving forward.

    Russell has a different skill set than the others. But does it help win? Sekera normally is far better at moving the puck. Puck retrieval and movement to forwards are the primary job. Defending skills are also important but are secondary in that it means your team doesn’t have the puck.

    Tippett had that quote a few years back about his stellar defensive defender was doing it so much because they were always defending when he was on.

    He went with the guy a little lesser in defending but better at moving the puck, and in the end it’s a net benefit because your playing at the right end of the ice.

    I’m no fan of D that are poor at defending, but there is a balance there. A defensive D should mean that the player has all skills, but isn’t as good at offense. As opposed to a limited player being ‘defensive’ because really they lack puck skill and/or can’t skate.

  74. jtblack says:

    PROSPECT UPDATE:

    STUART SKINNER since his trade to a contender.

    SKINNNER with Leth
    .897 SV% 3.38 GAA
    with SC
    .926 SV% 2.31 GAA

    Good Arrows !

  75. OriginalPouzar says:

    Yup – Skinner has been great since the trade and taking over the starter’s role for the Broncos.

    He’s eligible to turn pro next year, however, with Wells turning pro, I think Skinner will be back in the WHL.

  76. jtblack says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Yup – Skinner has been great since the trade and taking over the starter’s role for the Broncos.

    He’s eligible to turn pro next year, however, with Wells turning pro, I think Skinner will be back in the WHL.

    Yah its interesting. He’s a late Birthday, so like Yammy, he is completing his 4th Full WHL season. Not sure how valuable a 5th season would be….

  77. jtblack says:

    How is Wells doing?

  78. Jethro Tull says:

    jtblack:
    How is Wells doing?

    He’s doing Wells.

  79. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    In regards to Pts/60 as a tool to measure forwards, its good, but its not as good as primary points per 60.

    Primary points/60 are goals and first assists only so they show who is most involved in each goal.

    They have also been shown to predict future points much better than just points/60.

    That said:

    There are 375 NHL forwards who have played 300min so far this year 5v5. That works out to 12.1 forwards per team, so we can comfortably split these into 4 lines of 94 players per line:

    1st line range: 2.66- 1.46
    2nd line range: 1.45-1.13
    3rd line range: 1.12-0.82
    4th line range: 0.81-0.13

    Oilers this year (and the odd ex-Oiler and shouldhavebeenoiler for fun)

    Player P1/60
    1st line
    JORDAN.EBERLE 2.27
    MATHEW.BARZAL 2.15
    CONNOR.MCDAVID 2.01
    TAYLOR.HALL 1.99
    LEON.DRAISAITL 1.97
    JESSE.PULJUJARVI 1.61

    2nd line
    JUJHAR.KHAIRA 1.44
    RYAN.STROME 1.26
    RYAN.NUGENT-HOPKINS 1.19
    BENOIT POULIOT 1.17

    3rd line
    PATRICK.MAROON 1.09
    MIKE.CAMMALLERI 1.08
    DRAKE.CAGGIULA 1.05
    MILAN.LUCIC 1.05

    4th line
    ZACK.KASSIAN 0.75
    MARK.LETESTU 0.73
    JUSSI.JOKINEN 0.32

    This team needs an enema starting in the GM chair.

  80. OmJo says:

    dustrock:
    Bergevin?

    He who shall not be named correctly.

  81. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Oilers could have been stronger offensively than this team but Because Peter:

    Player P1/60
    NIKITA.KUCHEROV 2.19
    BRAYDEN.POINT 2.10
    YANNI.GOURDE 1.96
    STEVEN.STAMKOS 1.68
    TYLER.JOHNSON 1.52

    ALEX.KILLORN 1.36
    CHRIS.KUNITZ 1.23
    VLADISLAV.NAMESTNIKOV 1.13

    ONDREJ.PALAT 1.09
    SCOTT.WILSON 0.84

    J.T..BROWN 0.74
    CEDRIC.PAQUETTE 0.18
    RYAN.CALLAHAN 0.13

  82. who says:

    OmJo: True, Bergeron would probably consider him a 1st line centre.

    Now that there’s funny. Unless your a Habs fan. Then it’s just sad.

  83. OriginalPouzar says:

    jtblack: Yah its interesting. He’s a late Birthday, so like Yammy, he is completing his 4th Full WHL season. Not sure how valuable a 5th season would be….

    Normally I want to get a player out of junior and in to pro ASAP but who knows with goaltenders.

    Thing is we will have a glut at the professional level:

    Talbot
    Montoya
    Brossoit (assuming he’s brought back – he’s starting in the AHL over Ellis so I assume he will be)
    Ellis
    Starett
    Wells

    Where would Skinner play?

  84. Primetime says:

    Jethro Tull: Let the record show that even smart GMs can do dumb things.I have no doubt Poile signed that in good faith, but then had a ‘Heads’ moment and shouted, “MY GOD, WHAT HAVE I DONE?”

    *Letting the days go by……..”

    No, Poile is way too smart to have created that contract. This beauty was orchestrated by Flyers ex-GM Paul Holmgren. Webber signed a 14 year (!) $110 million contract on an offer sheet. Poile was forced to match for a number of reasons, including the marketplace he was in. Then, being the smart GM that he is, was able to switch him out later for the younger and more dynamic PK Subban. He may still get stuck with the recapture penalty later, but may already have a Stanley in hand by then….

    I bet this is the sort of thing that kept Chia up at night with Leon (rightly or wrongly)

  85. TheBusDriver86 says:

    Wonder what it would take to get Hoffman and Smith?

  86. OmJo says:

    Primetime: No, Poile is way to smart to have created that contract.This beauty was orchestrated by Flyers ex-GM Paul Holmgren.Webber signed a 14 year (!) $110 million contract on an offer sheet.Poile was forced to match for a number of reasons, including the marketplace he was in.Then, being the smart GM that he is, was able to switch him out later for the younger and more dynamic PK Subban.He may still get stuck with the recapture penalty later, but may already have a Stanley in hand by then….

    I bet this is the sort of thing that kept Chia up at night with Leon (rightly or wrongly)

    Ahh, the good ole days.

  87. who says:

    dustrock:
    https://www.stanleycupofchowder.com/2016/6/29/12061696/Salary-Cap-Recapture-Montreal-Canadiens-PK-Subban-Shea-Weber-Nashville-Predators–Flyers-Offer-Sheet

    So as long as Weber plays past 34, the Habs don’t have a cap recapture penalty.

    The Preds could be majorly burned if he retires early, though one doubts that would happen.

    Would you trade Looch if Montreal retains $2,857m against the cap/year?

    8 years of Weber at $5million?

    I think I would but then I would move Sekera and/or Russell asap. Otherwise you have way too much money tied up in your defense.
    .I might be willing to live with them all for 1 year but I also might consider buying out Russell this summer. In this scenario you sign Nurse long term and probably trade Benning for a young forward.
    It would give you a top 4 of Klefbom, Nurse, Larsson, Weber locked in for the next 3 years. That’s a pretty solid top 4.

  88. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Jethro Tull: Let the record show that even smart GMs can do dumb things.I have no doubt Poile signed that in good faith, but then had a ‘Heads’ moment and shouted, “MY GOD, WHAT HAVE I DONE?”

    *Letting the days go by……..”

    I believe that was an offer sheet issue.

  89. GMB3 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    In regards to Pts/60 as a tool to measure forwards, its good, but its not as good as primary points per 60.

    Primary points/60 are goals and first assists only so they show who is most involved in each goal.

    They have also been shown to predict future points much better than just points/60.

    That said:

    There are 375 NHL forwards who have played 300min so far this year 5v5.That works out to 12.1 forwards per team, so we can comfortably split these into 4 lines of 94 players per line:

    1st line range: 2.66- 1.46
    2nd line range: 1.45-1.13
    3rd line range: 1.12-0.82
    4th line range: 0.81-0.13

    Oilers this year (and the odd ex-Oiler and shouldhavebeenoiler for fun)

    PlayerP1/60
    1st line
    JORDAN.EBERLE2.27
    MATHEW.BARZAL2.15
    CONNOR.MCDAVID2.01
    TAYLOR.HALL1.99
    LEON.DRAISAITL1.97
    JESSE.PULJUJARVI1.61

    2nd line
    JUJHAR.KHAIRA1.44
    RYAN.STROME1.26
    RYAN.NUGENT-HOPKINS1.19
    BENOIT POULIOT1.17

    3rd line
    PATRICK.MAROON1.09
    MIKE.CAMMALLERI1.08
    DRAKE.CAGGIULA1.05
    MILAN.LUCIC1.05

    4th line
    ZACK.KASSIAN0.75
    MARK.LETESTU0.73
    JUSSI.JOKINEN0.32

    This team needs an enema starting in the GM chair.

    Imagine a first line with Drai/McDavid/anyone
    Then Hall/Barzal/Eberle. Yikes. Fuck if we kept Barzal we could theoretically traded him for a RD probably better than Larsson.

    I guess the time to keep the powder dry was in 2015 and 2016. Could have made some moves with all the available assets to really put the team over the top. Instead of being painfully mediocre with no assets to burn

  90. Jethro Tull says:

    OK, so great replies, thanks. I’ll just come back with:

    a) Poile let Weber get to the stage an offer sheet was made knowing it would be Yuge!

    b) Poile could have walked away with a king’s ransom in picks.

    c) Some guy called Gostibehere was drafted 3rd round that year.

    d) In fact the list of names drafted after the Flyers made their choices for the next couple of years is impressive. Includes Parayko and Theodore. A team with a decent scouting dept. like NSH would have done well…..

    e) Don’t mistake Bergevin’s incompetence for Poile’s brilliance – that was a lottery win for him.

  91. frjohnk says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    In regards to Pts/60 as a tool to measure forwards, its good, but its not as good as primary points per 60.

    Primary points/60 are goals and first assists only so they show who is most involved in each goal.

    They have also been shown to predict future points much better than just points/60.

    That said:

    There are 375 NHL forwards who have played 300min so far this year 5v5.That works out to 12.1 forwards per team, so we can comfortably split these into 4 lines of 94 players per line:

    1st line range: 2.66- 1.46
    2nd line range: 1.45-1.13
    3rd line range: 1.12-0.82
    4th line range: 0.81-0.13

    Oilers this year (and the odd ex-Oiler and shouldhavebeenoiler for fun)

    PlayerP1/60
    1st line
    JORDAN.EBERLE2.27
    MATHEW.BARZAL2.15
    CONNOR.MCDAVID2.01
    TAYLOR.HALL1.99
    LEON.DRAISAITL1.97
    JESSE.PULJUJARVI1.61

    2nd line
    JUJHAR.KHAIRA1.44
    RYAN.STROME1.26
    RYAN.NUGENT-HOPKINS1.19
    BENOIT POULIOT1.17

    3rd line
    PATRICK.MAROON1.09
    MIKE.CAMMALLERI1.08
    DRAKE.CAGGIULA1.05
    MILAN.LUCIC1.05

    4th line
    ZACK.KASSIAN0.75
    MARK.LETESTU0.73
    JUSSI.JOKINEN0.32

    This team needs an enema starting in the GM chair.

    You know we dont need flawed players, right?

  92. Scungilli Slushy says:

    The next CBA coming up only means a lock out if there is no agreement. It’ll probably happen but it isn’t mandatory.

  93. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    GMB3,

    How could we have kept both Barzal and Eriksson-Ek?

    LOL

  94. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Scungilli Slushy: I believe that was an offer sheet issue.

    Everyone saying Poile was dumb, don’t forget that at the time the Preds had lost Suter and were in a franchise crisis.

    Balsillie had his filthy hands in there trying to buy and move the team.

    As the face of the franchise and captain Poile HAD to match that offer sheet.

  95. godot10 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:

    3rd line
    PATRICK.MAROON1.09
    MIKE.CAMMALLERI1.08
    DRAKE.CAGGIULA1.05
    MILAN.LUCIC1.05

    This team needs an enema starting in the GM chair.

    I’d start with the coach because the GM will keep on making mistakes on players because of poor coaching.

    $6 million for Lucic plus $4 million for Maroon + $2 million for Caggiula for the next few years on LW should really do the trick! -( -( -(

    Maroon is a nothing burger. Just like Strome. For $1.5 million dollars one year at a time, or two years at most, they might be useful filler, but paying steak prices for pink slime will doom this team.

  96. Primetime says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): Everyone saying Poile was dumb, don’t forget that at the time the Preds had lost Suter and were in a franchise crisis.

    Balsillie had his filthy hands in there trying to buy and move the team.

    As the face of the franchise and captain Poile HAD to match that offer sheet.

    Absolutely…due to the hockey market he was working in, his hands were tied.

    They sent out a press release outlining his thought process on matching the offer sheet. It read:

    – Was Shea Weber the individual that this franchise wanted to lead our team, a team that would compete for the Stanley Cup every year, for the next 14 years?

    — Would matching the offer sheet be in the best long-term interest of the team and organization?

    — Would a decision not to match the offer sheet send a negative message to current Predators players and other NHL organizations, a message that the Predators would only go so far to protect its best players and be pushed around by teams with “deep pockets?”

    When the organization realized the answer to each of these questions was an “emphatic yes,” the decision to match was made.

  97. Doug McLachlan says:

    Haven’t seen it referenced here yet but Friedman’s 31 Thoughts (http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/31-thoughts-trying-remedy-nhls-goalie-interference-controversy/) has a bit on Oiler Training Camp tryout standout and voided signee, Vladimir Tkachev. It’s thought #26 and interesting update on the 22 year-old who we were all smitten with at one time.

    I also note that at thought #11, Friedman wonders about the availability of Boone Jenner with Columbus and Tobias Rieder of Arizona – the later often pined for around these parts.

  98. rickithebear says:

    Player usage charts are not very accurate in defining the mean for any players situation without defining if they are upper,lower 1st, 2nd 3rd, 4th teammates.

    When you fix one of the 3 axis for team, comp, ZS to a single situational plane.
    You can build 8 area curves (based on mean and range) for a 2 nd situational axis built the length of 8 situations groups for the 3rd axis.

    This shows a clear graphic representation of the utter silly folly of a 2 axis player usage chart.
    It is my first theory and the first on my server for public presentation.

    Their are huge mistakes in results from others interpretation of my original theories.
    As well as huge mistakes from others original theories.
    The worst by variance of actual facts are
    1. PDO 100% inaccurate. It is a completely failed theory. Based on the vast number of empirical permutations for any combination of game mechanisms. By end of season
    2. 67% error Using closed shots to establish a true performance based shot density chart.
    3. 47-55% inaccurate. Using Fenwick for any shot based identifier for the worst and best at a given skill. What gm,s want to do. Like LVK building the best possible representation of my conf, cup team core.
    4. 25-43% error in player usage charts.

    This sight has some of the most skilled brains
    Those that are logic mind based
    And
    Those that generate prose.

  99. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    In regards to Pts/60 as a tool to measure forwards, its good, but its not as good as primary points per 60.

    Primary points/60 are goals and first assists only so they show who is most involved in each goal.

    They have also been shown to predict future points much better than just points/60.

    That said:

    There are 375 NHL forwards who have played 300min so far this year 5v5.That works out to 12.1 forwards per team, so we can comfortably split these into 4 lines of 94 players per line:

    1st line range: 2.66- 1.46
    2nd line range: 1.45-1.13
    3rd line range: 1.12-0.82
    4th line range: 0.81-0.13

    Oilers this year (and the odd ex-Oiler and shouldhavebeenoiler for fun)

    PlayerP1/60
    1st line
    JORDAN.EBERLE2.27
    MATHEW.BARZAL2.15
    CONNOR.MCDAVID2.01
    TAYLOR.HALL1.99
    LEON.DRAISAITL1.97
    JESSE.PULJUJARVI1.61

    2nd line
    JUJHAR.KHAIRA1.44
    RYAN.STROME1.26
    RYAN.NUGENT-HOPKINS1.19
    BENOIT POULIOT1.17

    3rd line
    PATRICK.MAROON1.09
    MIKE.CAMMALLERI1.08
    DRAKE.CAGGIULA1.05
    MILAN.LUCIC1.05

    4th line
    ZACK.KASSIAN0.75
    MARK.LETESTU0.73
    JUSSI.JOKINEN0.32

    This team needs an enema starting in the GM chair.

    I guess having the right answers doesn’t matter if you’re asking the wrong questions.

    Are our Oilers’s learning?

    If it’s not blatantly obvious to them now I fear it never will be.

  100. jtblack says:

    OriginalPouzar: Normally I want to get a player out of junior and in to pro ASAP but who knows with goaltenders.

    Thing is we will have a glut at the professional level:

    Talbot
    Montoya
    Brossoit (assuming he’s brought back – he’s starting in the AHL over Ellis so I assume he will be)
    Ellis
    Starett
    Wells

    Where would Skinner play?

    Noted. There isnt really a spot for him yet. So he might have to play 1 more year in the WHL.

  101. Scungilli Slushy says:

    jtblack: Noted. There isnt really a spot for him yet. So he might have to play 1 more year in the WHL.

    They might move their least fav to make room. Knowing the Oilers they’ll pick the wrong guy.

    Seeing the carnage in WGs numbers sours the blood.

  102. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Doug McLachlan,

    Friedman has gone from legit insider to throwing out all his personal speculation out there in his 31 thoughts with ‘I wonder if’

    When Friedman says ‘My sources tell me so and so is on the block’ people should pay heed. When he says ‘I wonder if’ people should remember it’s not a rumour, it’s speculation.

    The problem is that some folks, and I am not saying you, treat his speculation as rumour.

  103. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Doug McLachlan:
    Haven’t seen it referenced here yet but Friedman’s 31 Thoughts (http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/31-thoughts-trying-remedy-nhls-goalie-interference-controversy/) has a bit on Oiler Training Camp tryout standout and voided signee, Vladimir Tkachev.It’s thought #26 and interesting update on the 22 year-old who we were all smitten with at one time.

    I also note that at thought #11, Friedman wonders about the availability of Boone Jenner with Columbus and Tobias Rieder of Arizona – the later often pined for around these parts.

    Friedman mentions Athanasiou for Faulk. If that’s all it takes giddy up Chia. Strome has as many points and is a centre.

  104. russ99 says:

    It’s a bit hard taking some posts seriously when players and wishful potential rosters are only being judged solely by points for.

    Or is this another let Fuhr bail out the other side of the ice assumption.

    This is the crux of the Larsson vs. Demers or Russell vs. Franson issues. Fine and dandy if you’re ok with your goalie having a Dubnyk like crisis.

  105. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Friedman mentionsAthanasiou for Faulk. If that’s all it takes giddy up Chia. Strome has as many points and is a centre.

    Completely baseless speculation on his part

  106. Doug McLachlan says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker),

    Quite true, however his speculation is still of interest to me even if it is speculation.

  107. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Doug McLachlan:
    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker),

    Quite true, however his speculation is still of interest to me even if it is speculation.

    Sure, nothing wrong with that if taken as such. But it is often conflated with when he has an actual rumour. As long as we can identify the difference it is fun.

  108. rickithebear says:

    Wood guy:
    I told you I used to work out with k. Sutherland.
    He was in fatal car crash with Vince Pilon.
    When I asked about his feelings from the accident he told me
    He would do anything to be in the NHL.
    Remember Marchand/sedin while Kelly was standing next to them.
    Remember Kelly,s good goal call in the Anaheim series.

    What would those players regression be with Oiler reffing.
    Have you determined the regression factor with a move from their teams.

    Without knowing the +ve or negative reffing affect for each team.
    We cannot truly create lists like this unless you exclude players who clearly would not achieve the oilers numbers they are measured against.

    My lists in the past excluded players who would not make the cut as an oiler.

    Plus not all even contribution is equal.
    I like to show EVG/60 with EVA/60 cause of the reduced affect from passing a puck in HD area versus a direct shot on net.

    Remember hemsky, shooooot!
    The number of failed cross ice passes in HD area by the oilers this year.

    Might want to filter your lists.
    I always consider style of player and how there performance would be reduced.
    Empirical observation based on kinetic player ability.

    We correct for less influential variables like arena bias.

  109. Rebilled says:

    Kuemper. Don’t think I like that.

  110. Scungilli Slushy says:

    I don’t want to jinx the boys but that LA roster is not the one of olden days. They can do this if they come out full of P & V.

    Don’t worry about what they are doing worry about what you are doing.

  111. leadfarmer says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Friedman mentionsAthanasiou for Faulk. If that’s all it takes giddy up Chia. Strome has as many points and is a centre.

    Friedman is really just clickbait these days.

  112. rickithebear says:

    russ99:
    It’s a bit hard taking some posts seriously when players and wishful potential rosters are only being judged solely by points for.

    Or is this another let Fuhr bail out the other side of the ice assumption.

    This is the crux of the Larsson vs. Demers or Russell vs. Franson issues. Fine and dandy if you’re ok with your goalie having a Dubnyk like crisis.

    Russ what was the first couple of player sent away by the guy who built Chicago,s cup winning core (Talon) when he returned to Florida?

    A large # of offensive dmen abandon defence of free path to their own HD area.
    Resulting in poor HD numbers and a terrible mean save% for a goalie to perform around.

    More than 95% of dmen generate even offence at 4th line to #17 fwd pace
    Most are 4 times less effective at generating even offence.

    A Dpairs range of affect on starting goalies is 95% of starting goalie save % range.
    Defence influence 95%
    Off dmen s offence influence less than 15%

    Primary man responsibility and affect is?
    Anyone?
    Anyone?
    DEFENDING

    Russ you are sage.

  113. pts2pndr says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Hi OP; late to the party but thinking Yamamoto or Benson to replace Maroon next year would seem to be at best a big reach! There is no way that an unproven rookie can replace an established pro!

  114. JimmyV1965 says:

    For the love of everything decent, please please Chia don’t sign Maroon to a contract right now. Trade him at the deadline and if you think you need him, sign him in the summer.

    And Chia doesn’t do it without the blessing of the talking heads hanging around the organization right now. That would be truly frightening. It would foretell a major disaster in the making. An organization still crippled by ineptitude at the core.

  115. Pescador says:

    leadfarmer: Friedman is really just clickbait these days.

    Somewhere Lt Eric just got wood

  116. Gayfish says:

    pts2pndr:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Hi OP; late to the party but thinking Yamamoto or Bensonto replaceMaroon next year would seem to be at best a big reach!There is no way that an unproven rookie can replace an established pro!

    You sure? Conventional hockey knowledge suggests otherwise. Just look at this years Oilers if you need proof.

  117. Pescador says:

    JimmyV1965,

    I highly doubt Maroon will sign, probably wants 4 x 4.
    Then again his agent is negotiating with Overpay Pete & OP is negotiating against himself so..
    “How many clauses should I put you down for?”

  118. Gayfish says:

    Scungilli Slushy: I guess having the right answers doesn’t matter if you’re asking the wrong questions.

    Are our Oilers’s learning?

    If it’s not blatantly obvious to them now I fear it never will be.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ej7ZEnjSeA

  119. Munny says:

    Pescador: Somewhere Lt Eric just got wood

    How do you know Lt. Eric isn’t actually Sgt. Osiris?

    A dude playing the dude disguised as another dude…

  120. Gayfish says:

    godot10: I’d start with the coach because the GM will keep on making mistakes on players because of poor coaching.

    $6 million for Lucic plus $4 million for Maroon + $2 million for Caggiula for the next few years on LW should really do the trick! -( -( -(

    Maroon is a nothing burger.Just like Strome. For $1.5 million dollars one year at a time, or two years at most, they might be useful filler, but paying steak prices for pink slime will doom this team.

    Why can’t we just fire both? I think you have a very convoluted way making everything the fault of the coach. Chia was signing Korpikoskis and trading for Reinharts before TMac got his office.

  121. Pescador says:

    JimmyV1965: The NHL clearly doesn’t care about offence. I still remember Ray Ferraro talking about redesigning the goalposts so that 50% more of the shots that hit the iron actually go in the net. I may be wrong about the exact number, but it would be a dramatic increase.

    He brought it up to the NHL and nothing ever happened. He didn’t want to change the net size, or mess with the depth of net. Simply change the way the posts are beveled. A simple microscopic change nobody would notice and still the NHL does nothing.

    I am all about increasing the size of the nets, reshaping the goalposts at a minimum.
    It’s starting to look like lacrosse out there,
    which btw is a fkn sweet sport

  122. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Chiarelli lacks nuance.

    His trades are blatant. His player evaluation is black and white.

    IF we can hang in it all on him, but without further evidence we should.

    I want to see him look at young players that are showing good things and may be undervalued by their teams.

    Such as Primary Points as WG suggested. Easy peasy. Move UFAs and get those guys.

  123. Pescador says:

    Munny: How do you know Lt. Eric isn’t actually Sgt. Osiris?

    A dude playing the dude disguised as another dude…

    I don’t, he’s in disguise

  124. Scungilli Slushy says:

    I’d rather they call the rules and limit equipment, and maybe look at standardized rink sizes first.

  125. Gayfish says:

    Pescador: I am all about increasing the size of the nets, reshaping the goalposts at a minimum.
    It’s starting to look like lacrosse out there,which btw is a fkn sweet sport

    The scoring is really just a trailing indicator though. More scoring may help open the game up, but it’s not more boring because there are less goals. The major problem is the style of play. I think it’s similar to how NCAA football and basketball are more entertaining than their pro counterparts where the players are so good at what they do that they rarely make mistakes, and it makes the game more lazy as a result. I think the NFL would benefit from a larger field, and so would the NHL. You can see what the game should be based on 3on3 overtime. Larger rinks aren’t gonna happen though.

  126. leadfarmer says:

    rickithebear: Russ what was the first couple of player sent away by the guy who built Chicago,s cup winning core (Talon) when he returned to Florida?

    A large # of offensive dmen abandon defence of free path to their own HD area.
    Resulting in poor HD numbers and a terrible mean save% for a goalie to perform around.

    More than 95% of dmen generate even offence at 4th line to #17 fwd pace
    Most are 4 times less effective at generating even offence.

    A Dpairs range of affect on starting goalies is 95% of starting goalie save % range.
    Defence influence 95%
    Off dmen s offence influence less than 15%

    Primary man responsibility and affect is?
    Anyone?
    Anyone?
    DEFENDING

    Russ you are sage.

    Defensemen generate offense by predominantly taking the puck and moving it quickly to forwards with speed and majority of the time THEY DO NOT GET POINTS for generating offense. Comparing dmen point production to forward point production is comparing apples and oranges. Defensemen need to play defense but they have to skate well enough to keep up with the play and pass well enough to get the puck moving in the right direction. There is a reason that despite all your efforts the Gryba’s and Fistrics and Nikitins of the world can’t find work. It’s not because you are smarter than their employers and they will come around to your way of thinking. It’s because they are so bad at the other two aspects I mentioned that their defensive play alone isn’t enough to keep them afloat. You need your team to play as a 5 man unit all over the ice. You can’t have your team being outnumbered 3 to 5 in the neutral zone and the offensive zone and expect success

  127. OriginalPouzar says:

    pts2pndr:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Hi OP; late to the party but thinking Yamamoto or Bensonto replaceMaroon next year would seem to be at best a big reach!There is no way that an unproven rookie can replace an established pro!

    I’ve never once supported either of them replacing a guy like Maroon in the top 6 nor even being on the team next year.

    In fact, I have been express that I’m willing to go in to next season with a big hole in our top 6 wing (similar to this year) in order to let our prospects develop. I believe one will be ready to produce in the top 6 in 2019/20 and will do so at a cap hit of $1M.

    We may have a hole there next year (although a one-year stop gap like Vanek in Van this year would be perfect) but it would be best for our long term cap structure and success.

  128. OriginalPouzar says:

    JimmyV1965:
    For the love of everything decent, please please Chia don’t sign Maroon to a contract right now. Trade him at the deadline and if you think you need him, sign him in the summer.

    And Chia doesn’t do it without the blessing of the talking heads hanging around the organization right now. That would be truly frightening. It would foretell a major disaster in the making. An organization still crippled by ineptitude at the core.

    I really really want the futures in a Maroon trade.

    I have to think that he is VERY enticing to STL who is in need of a scoring winger and has about $220K of cap space – Maroon’s $1.5M cap hit can almost be fit in for them (and can be if the Oilers retain).

    STL doesn’t have the cap space to acquire anyone more expensive – not without corresponding cap going out.

  129. Harpers Hair says:

    leadfarmer: Defensemen generate offense by predominantly taking the puck and moving it quickly to forwards with speed and majority of the time THEY DO NOT GET POINTS for generating offense.Comparing dmen point production to forward point production is comparing apples and oranges.Defensemen need to play defense but they have to skate well enough to keep up with the play and pass well enough to get the puck moving in the right direction.There is a reason that despite all your efforts the Gryba’s and Fistrics and Nikitins of the world can’t find work.It’s not because you are smarter than their employers and they will come around to your way of thinking.It’s because they are so bad at the other two aspects I mentioned that their defensive play alone isn’t enough to keep them afloat.You need your team to play as a 5 man unit all over the ice.You can’t have your team being outnumbered 3 to 5 in the neutral zone and the offensive zone and expect success

    This

  130. OriginalPouzar says:

    Pescador: I am all about increasing the size of the nets, reshaping the goalposts at a minimum.
    It’s starting to look like lacrosse out there,which btw is a fkn sweet sport

    There are very few things I’m against more than increasing the size of the nets.

  131. Gayfish says:

    OriginalPouzar: I’ve never once supported either of them replacing a guy like Maroon in the top 6 nor even being on the team next year.

    In fact, I have been express that I’m willing to go in to next season with a big hole in our top 6 wing (similar to this year) in order to let our prospects develop.I believe one will be ready to produce in the top 6 in 2019/20 and will do so at a cap hit of $1M.

    We may have a hole there next year (although a one-year stop gap like Vanek in Van this year would be perfect) but it would be best for our long term cap structure and success.

    Typically, those guys force their way into prime time roles. The advantage of bargain players is that they push a good team over the top. Needing bargain players to push into the also ran area defeats the purpose.

  132. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Lost once again in the debate over the D ricki would construct is that he does raise a good point about Woodguy’s forwards list.

    What you score vs what you give up.

    Do you prefer a team of Bergerons (not Bergevins nor Benjamins) or a team of Halls.

  133. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    OriginalPouzar: I’ve never once supported either of them replacing a guy like Maroon in the top 6 nor even being on the team next year.

    In fact, I have been express that I’m willing to go in to next season with a big hole in our top 6 wing (similar to this year) in order to let our prospects develop.I believe one will be ready to produce in the top 6 in 2019/20 and will do so at a cap hit of $1M.

    We may have a hole there next year (although a one-year stop gap like Vanek in Van this year would be perfect) but it would be best for our long term cap structure and success.

    Hi OP. I am confused here. You are saying you’d rather leave a hole in Maroon’s spot and let the prospects develop but you are not saying these prospects would play in that slot. So what then does one have to do with the other?

    You mean so they can be handed a spot in 2019-2020? And fill 2018-19 with whatever is already on the roster?

    Genuinely asking because it is unclear.

  134. OriginalPouzar says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): Hi OP. I am confused here. You are saying you’d rather leave a hole in Maroon’s spot and let the prospects develop but you are not saying these prospects would play in that slot.So what then does one have to do with the other?

    You mean so they can be handed a spot in 2019-2020? And fill 2018-19 with whatever is already on the roster?

    Genuinely asking because it is unclear.

    I was responding to a poster that expressed his disagreement with my desire to use Yamamoto or Benson to replace Maroon next year as I have never every suggested such a thing.

    I am not totally against bringing Maroon back but I don’t think its the best option over the medium/long term.

    I feel that we can fill Maroon’s production on the first line (not all his intangibles but his production) as soon as 2019/20 internally for a cap hit of $1M (neither Yamamoto nor Benson have material performance bonuses) – that would save about $3M on the cap for a 3 years (or so).

    I am OK with leaving a hole there next year (similar to how we have a hole there right now) and trying to fill in with some incumbents (which hasn’t worked this year) – it would create issues for next year, sure, but it could be better for our long term cap structure.

    In a perfect world, we’d be able to sign an established winger to a one-year contract to bridge the gap until a prospect is ready in the top 6 – similar to Vanek this year.

  135. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Gotcha. I wonder how much Grabner would want. Probably out of our budget with the year he is having.

  136. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Going back to my suggestion of JT Miller it frustrates me that a 50 point guy on the Rangers is supposedly worth so much more than Eberle was because of his Oilers’ stink.

    Miller can play LW or C. Is still RFA who makes 2.75m now. Turns 25 this year. He could add some speed to 97’s port sid and if one day they had to trade Nuge he could be a 3C as well.

    Oh well. Apparently everyone thinks he is worth a 1st and a prospect and that is too rich.

  137. OriginalPouzar says:

    I imagine Grabner will be getting a deal similar to Maroons.

    I’d love to sign him for one year but I can’t see that happening.

    He’d likely be a good fit with his speed and the fact he PKs – I’m not sure if he’d be a better fit than Maroon who brings more in other areas of the game.

    My premise is still the same though – not looking to commit term to a winger in the top 6 as I think we will be able to fill those spots with very cheap ELCs in the coming years. Short term pain for longer term cap structure.

    I don’t imagine that management (or most posters) agree with me on this one.

  138. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    It’s those damn NMCs. Grabner at 3 x 3.5m should be tradeable if and when it is time.

  139. Sighduck says:

    rickithebear,

    Wow, cool to see you posting again, always a really engaging thought provoking opinion!

  140. JimmyV1965 says:

    OriginalPouzar: I really really want the futures in a Maroon trade.

    I have to think that he is VERY enticing to STL who is in need of a scoring winger and has about $220K of cap space – Maroon’s $1.5M cap hit can almost be fit in for them (and can be if the Oilers retain).

    STL doesn’t have the cap space to acquire anyone more expensive – not without corresponding cap going out.

    100% Tampa wants dman but they can use size too. So many teams will be interested

  141. Sighduck says:

    JimmyV1965: 100% Tampa wants dman but they can use size too. So many teams will be interested

    Maroon to STL and Russell to TBL? Oilers fans deserve it

  142. Lowetide says:

    Sighduck:
    rickithebear,

    Wow, cool to see you posting again, always a really engagingthought provoking opinion!

    Agreed. Good to see the bear back.

  143. JimmyV1965 says:

    OriginalPouzar: I was responding to a poster that expressed his disagreement with my desire to use Yamamoto or Benson to replace Maroon next year as I have never every suggested such a thing.

    I am not totally against bringing Maroon back but I don’t think its the best option over the medium/long term.

    I feel that we can fill Maroon’s production on the first line (not all his intangibles but his production) as soon as 2019/20 internally for a cap hit of $1M (neither Yamamoto nor Benson have material performance bonuses) – that would save about $3M on the cap for a 3 years (or so).

    I am OK with leaving a hole there next year (similar to how we have a hole there right now) and trying to fill in with some incumbents (which hasn’t worked this year) – it would create issues for next year, sure, but it could be better for our long term cap structure.

    In a perfect world, we’d be able to sign an established winger to a one-year contract to bridge the gap until a prospect is ready in the top 6 – similar to Vanek this year.

    Agreed. Let the young guys marinate in the AHL for at least half a year and sign this year’s version of Versteeg or Vanek to a short term deal.

  144. JimmyV1965 says:

    Sighduck: Maroon to STL and Russell to TBL? Oilers fans deserve it

    Russel to Tampa? Geez that would really solve some problems. Crossing fingers someone takes him.

  145. Gayfish says:

    Lowetide: Agreed. Good to see the bear back.

    That’s what she said.

  146. Sighduck says:

    JimmyV1965,

    Although the signing from Stevie Y baffled me, anyone who signs Dan Girardi must at least believe in the Russel type in some way shape or form.

  147. Pescador says:

    Gayfish,

    Or he
    I believe this blog is gender neutral

  148. Pescador says:

    OriginalPouzar: There are very few things I’m against more than increasing the size of the nets.

    I don’t care,
    I was giving my opinion not asking for yours,

  149. Lowetide says:

    Be kind to one another, please and thanks.

  150. OriginalPouzar says:

    Kassian is in.

    Not sure who is out – Pak or Slep I imagine. Both were solid last game – Pak was quite effective.

  151. hunter1909 says:

    Prediction:

    Oilers Win.

  152. OriginalPouzar says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    OriginalPouzar,

    It’s those damn NMCs. Grabnerat 3 x 3.5m should be tradeable if and when it is time.

    I don’t like signing players to contract with the intent on the desire to get out from under them prior to their expiry. Too much risk and we simply cannot take on additional risk.

  153. OriginalPouzar says:

    Pescador: I don’t care,I was giving my opinion not asking for yours,

    I was simply providing my opinion in response to yours.

    Isn’t that what a community like this is all about?

    Why the attitude? Completely unnecessary and disappointing.

  154. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ugly goal on the first shot against.

  155. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oh, Cam.

  156. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Here’s hoping to a well played game!

  157. Bling says:

    Talbot has not been good enough early in games.

  158. LadiesloveSmid says:

    At least Cam’s extension will be cheap

  159. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Don’t underestimate how misused a deadly shooter like Clifford is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  160. OriginalPouzar says:

    So. Many. Whistles (for an 8:30 start).

  161. Scungilli Slushy says:

    I think it is absolutely clear what the next hole to fill is. You can only blame the skaters so much.

    Sather!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  162. OriginalPouzar says:

    Good shift by the Khaira line – hopefully gets some team energy.

  163. OriginalPouzar says:

    Does it frustrate/annoy anyone else when McDavid seemingly doesn’t even try a little bit to win a neutral zone faceoff?

  164. Ben says:

    Man, another first shot goal.

    Talbot really needs to stop talking to Rishaug on game days.

  165. russ99 says:

    I still blame the ridiculous workload onTalbot’s weak first shot goals this year.

    Why did it take us 2 years to get a decent backup goalie?

  166. OriginalPouzar says:

    NIce early kill – who knew that Ryan Strome would be the key and the fix to our PK woes?

  167. Odd McSmellin says:

    McDavid does not look like he had a good nap today.

  168. Melvis says:

    Was I dreaming, or was that a mostly mobile box on that PK?

  169. russ99 says:

    Why does Benning keep getting.starts? He’s close to one defensive zone mistake per d-zone sortie.

  170. OriginalPouzar says:

    They are NOT crisp – neither team is but especially the Oil.

  171. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    1 shot 12 minutes in?

    Ugh.

  172. leadfarmer says:

    Is it Saturday afternoon already?

  173. Zelepukin says:

    russ99:
    I still blame the ridiculous workload onTalbot’s weak first shot goals this year.

    Why did it take us 2 years to get a decent backup goalie?

    I don’t at all. If anything, he usually does it when he has had multiple days of rest. The first shot should never go in. This is what the warm-up is for.

    We’ve given up the first goal over 30 times this season. How many were the first shot? 7, 8? That’s ridiculous.

  174. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    Zelepukin: I don’t at all. If anything, he usually does it when he has had multiple days of rest. The first shot should never go in. This is what the warm-up is for.

    We’ve given up the first goal over 30 times this season. How many were the first shot? 7, 8? That’s ridiculous.

    Seems statistically improbable.

  175. OriginalPouzar says:

    Whoa – Jujhar with some protection and a beat down.

  176. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Zelepukin: I don’t at all. If anything, he usually does it when he has had multiple days of rest. The first shot should never go in. This is what the warm-up is for.

    We’ve given up the first goal over 30 times this season. How many were the first shot? 7, 8? That’s ridiculous.

    One more reason I think someone has hexed the oilers this year

  177. russ99 says:

    Damn, we’re getting soundly outworked.

    JUJHAR!!!!!! Oh Doctor!

    That might wake us up.

  178. leadfarmer says:

    I’d be willing to bet if someone had pass completion data we would be dead last in the league. Whackapuck is in full effect

  179. OriginalPouzar says:

    There is absolutely no reason to give Khaira an extra 2 for roughing – looking at the replay he did nothing extra.

    Not to mention, that play was not offisde and they whistled it down as the Oil were on the rush.

  180. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Wow… I just looked at the shot clock for fun, and noticed that there have only been 6 total shots in 18 minutes… what happened to the hockey???

  181. LMHF#1 says:

    Can someone teach these geniuses to not block shots sideways?

  182. Bling says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    You’re right, that play was not offside.

    If you’re going to give Khaira a penalty for instigating/roughing, I think Folin should get a penalty for cross-checking Puljujarvi.

    Glad to see Khaira destroy Folin.

    Jesse had a big smile on his face when Khaira came to his defence, nice to see haha.

  183. OriginalPouzar says:

    Nice job by Talbot to not give a rebound there and get the whistle – Pak was gassed.

  184. russ99 says:

    Ok, who else is having NHL 94 flashbacks.

  185. OriginalPouzar says:

    Whoa – best block of the year by Russell – that was a goal.

  186. jp says:

    Damn that was a useful Russell block.

  187. Spooky Lynx says:

    Russell with a huge save! Give that man another million a year!!!

  188. Bling says:

    God the Kings are a boring ass team.

    What a save Russell!

  189. OilClog says:

    They should of hired Finnish nannies to help Jesse with his English and Cam with the twins, but no, no Finnish Nannies. No Swedish chef as GM, just Russell pretending he’s a wall.

  190. OriginalPouzar says:

    Not a great period – not alot of flow to the game and it looks like the ice is made out of quicksand.

    Time to regroup and get their legs for the next few periods.

  191. Lowetide says:

    After One

    1-0 LAK
    Shots 6-3 LAK
    Corsi for 5×5 LAK 21-7

    Oilers are napping.

  192. Zelepukin says:

    Spooky Lynx:
    Russell with a huge save! Give that man another million a year!!!

    If it was off his face we’d give him an ‘A’.

  193. OriginalPouzar says:

    Benson with a 2nd period assist.

  194. Admiral Ackbar says:

    Is Gretz drunk?

  195. OilClog says:

    Gretz having some drinks?

    Trying to call the coach to get Mcdavid back in the ice lol., TMac is probably Crawford’s equally evil twin in Wayne’s eyes.

  196. danny says:

    Zelepukin: If it was off his face we’d give him an ‘A’.

    I can honestly say I did not expect to see a Horcoff complaint tonight.

  197. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jesse out there with McDavid and Drai to start the 2nd.

  198. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    Lol this team doesn’t give a shit

  199. OriginalPouzar says:

    Terrible turnover and its in the back of our net – Oscar.

  200. LMHF#1 says:

    The Edmonton Oilers – incredibly susceptible to weak forechecking.

    This is what happens when your coach believes in area passes over tape-to-tape.

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