Hello darkness, my old friend

High among the things Oilers fans should be worrying about (along with the owner suggesting another rebuild and the club trading their 2018 first-round selection without lottery protection) is the hesitation to use Anton Slepyshev in a feature role this season. In the march toward April, giving the young Russian plenty of playing time should be a priority. He sure does score nice goals from left-wing, perhaps that’s a good place to start.

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THE CIRCLE GAME, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • February 2016: 3-3-0, goal differential 0 (6 points)
  • February 2017: 3-3-0, goal differential -1 (6 points)
  • February 2018: 1-4-1, goal differential -5 (3 points)

As has happened so many times this season, the Oilers are caught in a trap (oooo-oooo-oooo) and can’t walk out. No telling how far they fall at this point, pretty clear the disappointment of losing an entire season is settling in on the roster.

AFTER 55, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers 15-16: 21-29-5, goal differential -33 (47 points)
  • Oilers 16-17: 29-18-8, goal differential +16 (66 points)
  • Oilers 17-18: 23-28-4, goal differential -28 (50 points)

If the season ended today, Edmonton would draft No. 5 overall before the lottery. I will tell you it’s my opinion Peter Chiarelli won’t survive that outcome as general manager. Ending the season 15-10-2 gets the organization some air in terms of selling next season. Going 7-18-2? I honestly think ownership would have to make a change simply to restore fan faith in the product. Hell, maybe I’m alone on an island here and a bunch of biased fans are giving me their opinion, but from what Oilers Nation is sending me, this club is in a very difficult spot with the client base. Standing pat won’t be an option with a poor finish, in my opinion.

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM FEBRUARY

  • At home to: Colorado, Tampa Bay (Expected 0-1-1) (Actual 1-0-1)
  • On the road to: Los AngelesAnaheimSan Jose (Expected 1-1-1) (Actual 0-3-0)
  • At home to: Florida (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • On the road to: Vegas, Arizona, Colorado (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Boston, Colorado (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Los Angeles, Anaheim, San Jose (Expected 0-2-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 5-6-3, 13 points in 14 games
  • Current results: 1-4-1, three points in six games

Edmonton has seen this kind of start early in previous months, only to recover to my predicted number. Tough schedule ahead, but assuming this team loses five of the final eight games this month would be unwise based on its established past. Weird team this year.

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

  • Nurse-Davidson went 23-16 in 18:04 together, 1-1 in GF. Went 8-10 against Huberdreau-Trochek-Malgin, this pairing led the other two with eight own-zone faceoffs. All three pairings had trouble transitioning the puck, but Nurse transports well and he used the wheels often in this game.
  • Klefbom-Russell went 19-15 in 17:01, 2-1 in GF, six defensive zone faceoffs. Klefbom got walked by Trochek on the PP (while playing with Davidson) and Russell backed in like a Trans-X truck at the loading dock five minutes from closing time, and it cost him. Russell also has a hitch in his giddyup passing the puck up to the forwards, Leon wanted to brain him, pretty sure. |Went 10-7 against the Trochek unit.
  • Auvitu-Benning were 14-15 in 11:25, just two own-zone faceoffs and 1-0 GF. Went 7-5 against McGinn-McCann-Mamin. Auvitu makes things happen, so for God sakes don’t use him on the power play! He hasn’t earned it!
  • Cam Talbot stopped 30 of 32 at even strength, .938. I’m not blaming him for the penalty kill any more this season. It is an abomination. Someone call the Catholic church!

FORWARDS, LAST NIGHT

  • Slepyshev-Letestu-Kassian went 12-5, 1-0 GF together. I loved Slepy’s game, he needs to share the puck a little, though. Letestu made some nice passes and generally helped in less than eight minutes. Kassian is engaged and played well to my eye.
  • Caggiula-Khaira-Puljujarvi were 6-6 together, 1-1 GF. A nice goal by the trio, Khaira getting the puck back to the point while both wingers drove to the net looking for a tip. I’d like to see that group again, perhaps more playing time next game.
  • Maroon-McDavid-Strome were 25-19 (Maroon) and 18-17 (Strome) together, 2-0 GF. McDavid and Strome had some chem, enough for this line to return later in the week in my opinion. McDavid was 11-15 with 900 slashes against Trochek, 1-0 GF.
  • Lucic-Draisaitl-Cammalleri were 11-17, 0-1 GF together (Leon scored when with Maroon and McDavid) on the night. I’d like to see Puljujarvi replace Cammalleri on the line.
  • The penalty kill was awful.
  • NaturalStatTrick and NHL.com.

KLEFBOM

  • Todd McLellan: “Some big errors from individuals. I look at the fourth goal, we pre-scouted that, we knew it was coming, we talked about it, and we’re 18 seconds in when we’re fresh, and we get a chance to execute, one individual gets delinquent and misses his assignment, and that’s basically game over.” 

Oscar did look poor on the play, one of several moments where Edmonton didn’t have things hammered down on the penalty kill. The team is playing kid forwards a lot on the PK now, maybe they’ll develop and maybe the won’t develop. It’s a mess. At 5×5, I like this team and I sure as hell believe in Klefbom’s future. If the Oilers trade the Swede for 10 cents on the dollar, you’re looking at further erosion of the top-end young talent. Enormous mistake.

LUCIC

People want him traded or bought out but the options are poor. A buy out is so severe it isn’t worth it, and trade options would involve bringing in other problem deals. Would you deal Lucic for Bobby Ryan?

TALBOT

Lots of rage in the cage for Talbot after last night, I’m no longer buying. The penalty killers resemble Monty Python’s race for people with no sense of direction now, complete imbecilic behaviour. Easy to blame the goalie, and he fell on his sword last night. I’d like this team to try something else, anything else.

  • I’m no longer blaming Talbot for the addled penalty kill
  • The penalty kill can go to hell.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, TSN1260. CFL free agency will take up much of the morning but we’ll have time to discuss last night’s Oilers loss. Scheduled to appear:

  • Jonathan Willis, The Athletic! Oilers at the deadline and that power play.
  • Scott Cullen, TSN. CFL free agency, half of Canada’s NHL cities are on fire.
  • Davis Sanchez, CFL this week. Former CFL player turned media mogul guides us through free agency.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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  1. Jethro Tull says:

    There is no dark side of the moon……..it’s all dark.

  2. smellyglove says:

    The story of how 6 Canadians are playing on Korea’s men Olympic hockey squad:

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/korea-olympic-hockey-canadians-1.4530709

  3. Jethro Tull says:

    Slepyshev is developing nicely at a pace that he should. Holes in the roster are making people project him higher than he should be *AT THE MOMENT*. Sorry, had to highlight that last bit before people jump down my throat.

  4. leadfarmer says:

    Another day I’m sure it will turn into a Talbot bashing thread. For his sake I hope we Dubnyk him out of here and he will succeed elsewhere. We will bring another goalie in and complain about how hard it is to find competent goalering !!!! This defense is absolutely horrible. I think people are realizing now how important Larsson is for this team.

    And how do you give up a breakaway on the PK when you are playing all out defense. Just mind boggling

  5. russ99 says:

    What a tire fire last night.

    Not many cases of players supporting each other on all areas of the ice.

    I don’t think this player group is so bad, seems they quit on the coach. Which should lead to a new coach and new players as well.

    I feel bad for the few guys that give their all every night, including our captain.

  6. OriginalPouzar says:

    The coach spoke about Slep after the game last night and gave him the kudos he deserved.

    That’s 2 plus games out of 3 for Anton – a glimmer of grabbing the opportunity and running with it.

    I did like some shifts from Khaira and Puljijarvi – I would like to see Anton playing with them on Thursday.

  7. thehop says:

    **People want him traded or bought out but the options are poor. A buy out is so severe it isn’t worth it, and trade options would involve bringing in other problem deals. Would you deal Lucic for Bobby Ryan?**

    Here’s a list to ponder:

    Okposo and Moulson take them both.
    Eriksson
    Callahan
    Weber
    Ryan or Phaneuf
    Suter

  8. OriginalPouzar says:

    I am becoming more and more convinced that the biggest hole to fix on this team is a legit right-handed d-man that can play in the 1st or 2nd pairing that can move the puck.

    The defence, as currently structured, is absolutely awful at transitioning the puck and, aside from tending and the PK, its the biggest determent to the team.

    Presumably Klefbom regains a semblance of being able to pass when he is healthy and gets his confidence back but, my goodness, he cannot pass the puck right now.

    Russell on his off-side in the top 4 cannot happen next year – we need to plug that hole – Russell is a middling puck mover on the left side and a black hole on the right.

    Nurse is still a middling puck mover as he defaults to skating the puck out – I think his first pass will improve but it will never be great.

  9. Pouzar says:

    OriginalPouzar: a glimmer of grabbing the opportunity and running with it.

    9 min is an opportunity?
    I’d say more like swimming with a brick tied to your ankle #Letestu

    But that Cammalleri sure is dreamy!

    Fire TMc and his dog whistle to the fucking sun.

  10. Dicky94 says:

    I’m at the point with Lucic where I’d actually like to see him traded for Dustin Brown. I can’t stand Dustin Brown! But seriously, all this hatred for Lucic should really be forwarded to another guy. We all know who that is. He has to fix this!

  11. OriginalPouzar says:

    Looking at the standings, there is a chance we can get in to the top 3-4 picks without winning a lottery.

    Yes, terribly disapointing but exciting at the same time.

    I will absolutley still be hoping for good Oilers hockey and watching every game hoping they win but the silver lining is a huge one.

    My question, do we actually want a 2-4 pick (2 would be lottery but 3-4 could be standings position) to grab Zadina or Tkachuk or do we want to draft 5-8 and grab a puck moving d-man?

    Our biggest hole is a picking moving d-man for the top two pairs on the rights side, however, this drafted player is likely at least a season if not two (or more) away from being in the lineup let alone making an impact.

    Are any of the d-man NHL ready (excluding Dahlin)?

  12. OilClog says:

    What was Russell doing last night not giving Leon the puck, for a moment looked like Leon might spear him in the gut.

    What does skill coach Coffee have to say?

    Sure glad Camm got over 19 minutes last night

    Who in their right mind would ice 13 and 55 on the same PK unit? And fuck that PK it’s like they hired Eakins to draw it up for them.

  13. Aitch says:

    At this point, I’d trade Lucic and retain maximum salary just to get him off the ice. He passes like I do in my beer league and I’m a bad beer league player.

  14. OriginalPouzar says:

    Right side D last night:

    Davidson
    Russell
    Benning

    Even with Larsson back it is not good enough and a huge problem.

    Management’s main focus must be a 1st or 2nd pairing RHD. Kris Russell may need to be bought out to open up $3M of cap room unless management is able to accomplish one of the following:

    1) Klefbom plus for a material RHD

    2) Klefbom for multiple pieces (example: Ho Sang, Anthony Beauvillier and Calgary’s first rounder) and a signing of a material RHD (i.e. John Carlsson).

    I can’t imagine option 2 coming to fruition (neither the impact 3 pieces nor the signing of an elite RHD).

  15. pboy says:

    I’ve been in the “This is on Chiarelli and the roster he’s assembled” camp for most of the season but I’ve adjusted my thinking to see that Todd is a big part of the problem now too.

    Limited ice for #98 and #42 while #27 and #13 are spinning their wheels game after game after game…. that’s on the Head Coach.

    The historically bad PK and anemic PP are on the coaching staff.

    Pointing out #77’s mistake but not talking about #4 backing away leading to a goal or #27 having a month of Monday’s might be the last straw for me.

    Unbelievably, it looks like it’s time for another rebuild here. Nicholson, Chiarelli and McLellan have turned this team into the league joke again. Thank Hercules McDavid and Draisatl were signed to long term deals before this embarrassment of a season started.

  16. frjohnk says:

    Why is Cammy playing around 20 minutes?
    We all know our winger depth is not good so is this showcasing him?
    If so, showcasing him for what?

    Lucic was not good again, plays almost 18 minutes and is on the ice for the last minute?

    This while Sleppy and JP both play less than 10 minutes.

    Verdaddy for GM
    DSF as coach

    Cant do any worse

  17. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lucic for Bobby Ryan

    My goodness Bobby Ryan’s offence has disappeared – $7.25M forever……

    Would Lucic waive for Ottawa? Would Ryan include EDM in his trade list?

  18. Aitch says:

    frjohnk:
    Why is Cammy playing around 20 minutes?
    We all know our winger depth is not good so is this showcasing him?
    If so, showcasing him for what?

    I’d guess Chia wants to recoup that draft pick he sent out for Montoya.

  19. Psyche says:

    LT wrote, “The penalty killers resemble Monty Python’s race for people with no sense of direction…”

    After another disappointing Oilers performance this made me smile. (Also it’s warm in Regina today!)

    At least there were plenty of goals last night. Just too many for the visiting team.

    CFL free agency today! Another reason to celebrate. Go Bombers!

  20. OilClog says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Right side D last night:

    Davidson
    Russell
    Benning

    Even with Larsson back it is not good enough and a huge problem.

    Management’s main focus must be a 1st or 2nd pairing RHD. Kris Russell may need to be bought out to open up $3M of cap room unless management is able to accomplish one of the following:

    1) Klefbom plus for a material RHD

    2) Klefbom for multiple pieces (example: Ho Sang, Anthony Beauvillier and Calgary’s first rounder) and a signing of a material RHD (i.e. John Carlsson).

    I can’t imagine option 2 coming to fruition (neither the impact 3 pieces nor the signing of an elite RHD).

    All of this is batshit crazy

    Trading Klef bleeds talent

    Garth Snow would end up getting klef, slep and a 2nd for Ho sang alone from Chia.

  21. frjohnk says:

    Aitch: At this point, I’d trade Lucic and retain maximum salary just to get him off the ice.

    There was a Boston reporter yesterday who posted on twitter if Bruins fans would take Lucic at 50% retained, so $15M over the next 5 years. Majority said no.

  22. OriginalPouzar says:

    leadfarmer:
    Another day I’m sure it will turn into a Talbot bashing thread.For his sake I hope we Dubnyk him out of here and he will succeed elsewhere.We will bring another goalie in and complain about how hard it is to find competent goalering !!!!This defense is absolutely horrible.I think people are realizing now how important Larsson is for this team.

    And how do you give up a breakaway on the PK when you are playing all out defense.Just mind boggling

    Talbot deserves quite a bit of the ire he will be receiving and I think he will acknowledge that.

    At the same time, I think this fan-base will provide him with a “fresh start” in October and give him every opportunity to prove that this season is the outlier and last season was not.

    Talbot will be our #1 goalie next year – I can’t imagine management looking at the goaltending position this summer – there are other areas to focus on.

    I have confidence that Cam will bounce back to at least the level he was at as a 1st year Oiler if not close to the level he was at last year. If not, well, at least the contract is up at the end of last year and we aren’t locked in to another player under-performing his contract.

  23. frjohnk says:

    Aitch: I’d guess Chia wants to recoup that draft pick he sent out for Montoya.

    Oilers should try and recoup the draft picks it cost to get McClellan and Chia.

  24. Dicky94 says:

    Psyche,

    It must be a little scary being a Bomber fan in your neck of the woods?

  25. OriginalPouzar says:

    Pouzar: 9 min is an opportunity?
    I’d say more like swimming with a brick tied to your ankle #Letestu

    But that Cammalleri sure is dreamy!

    Fire TMc and his dog whistle to the fucking sun.

    Yes, its Slepyshev that has to force more ice time – i.e. run with the opportunity.

    Presumably he will see more ice time if he continues to perform as he has in 2 of the last 3 games.

    Lets not forget, he did have an ineffective game with puck turnovers in between his two good games.

  26. Psyche says:

    Dicky94,

    It definitely is. But I persevere.

    Honestly though it’s not safe to attend Bomber games in Regina as a male Bomber fan.

  27. dustrock says:

    I think you’ll have to excuse Todd MacLellan for getting defensive since he’s also trying to save his career at this point. The knives come out when it’s a disappointing season.

    I know Woodguy and others want to fire him into the sun for the Klefbom comment and he probably went too far with it, but it gave some interesting insight into what the coaches do in practices.

    “Hey, we knew they liked to do X on the PP – when this pass happens, here’s what you have to be ready for.”

    And someone wasn’t paying attention.

    This is why, just like in soccer, i’m honestly not sure how much coaching makes a difference. So much of it is about execution.

  28. Aitch says:

    Lets not forget, he did have an ineffective game with puck turnovers in between his two good games.

    Good lord, if that’s the standard the coaches are using then Lucic wouldn’t be able to get his ass of the bench in the dressing room.

  29. frjohnk says:

    Aitch: He passes like I do in my beer league and I’m a bad beer league player.

    I love the play in the first period, in which Lucic is in the neutral zone on the left wing standing still with the puck, Draisaitl is skating hard on the right wing waiting for the pass, Lucic fires a pass to Draisaitl 4 feet off the ice and it hits the dasher. At least it wasnt in his skates.

  30. Andy Dufresne says:

    LT mentions his hunch that unless the Oilers go somehting like 15-10-2 to finish the season then Chia will probably be gone.

    In many NHL cities this would be true. But in a situation where organizational stability is a priority, where fans sell out the barn irregardless of results, and where the management team perceives this to be a bad PDO year ( death by a thousand cuts) I think Chia and Todd get one more summer/half year.

    In most situations were my instincts clash with LT’s he turns out to be right the majority of times. He sees and remembers the history of these types of things better than I do. So I will be very curious to see how it plays out.

    My personal preference is to give Chia and Todd one more summer/half season. I like them both for different reasons.

    Jay Woodcroft on the other hand may/should be gone.

  31. Pouzar says:

    OriginalPouzar: Yes, its Slepyshev that has to force more ice time – i.e. run with the opportunity.

    Presumably he will see more ice time if he continues to perform as he has in 2 of the last 3 games.

    Lets not forget, he did have an ineffective game with puck turnovers in between his two good games.

    Double standards all over the place then. See Cammalleri.
    Goes from HS to 20 min in top 6.

  32. New Improved Darkness says:

    Hello, everyone. This deserves a song.

    Roll, roll, roll more heads
    Giblets down the stream
    Merrily, airily, summarily
    Now our slate is clean

    And the best news of all: you can sing this as a round—so there’s no inbuilt reason to stop.

    Ever.

    I lost all my money
    In a crooked poker game
    Now I’m going home
    On this old freight train

    I got the boxcar blues
    Shuffle on down the tracks
    (Shuffle, shuffle on down the track)
    I got the boxcar blues
    And Lord, I may never get back

    Well, I am so lonely
    I think I could die
    These ain’t cinders
    Tears in my eyes

    [Chorus]

    I dream of my big
    Baked biscuits in the pan
    I dream of my woman
    With another man

    [Chorus]

    No listen to me, brother
    And take my advice
    Stay away from trains
    And them loaded dice

    You’ll get the boxcar blues
    You’ll shuffle on down the tracks
    (Shuffle, shuffle on down the track)
    You’ll get the boxcar blues
    And Lord, you may never get back

    You’ll get the boxcar blues
    And Lord, you may never get back
    (Shuffle, shuffle on down the track)

    Loooo looooo looooo ch ch ch ch.

    Honey, I’m home!

  33. who says:

    Is a winning record in the last 25 games enough to save Tmac and Chia’s jobs? Why should it be? I could care less how many meaningless games this team wins.
    My biggest fear is that Chia is going to do something incredibly shortsighted just to try and save his job. The Reinhart trade and the Lucic signing should have already sealed his fate.
    Also afraid that Tmac is going to continue to play the vets just to squeeze a couple more wins out of this putrid season. Maybe he is showcasing them for a trade? Maroon, Strome and Cammaleri were all in the top 6 last night. We’ll have a clearer picture after the trade deadline. I have very little faith in his ability to recognize talented and useful players.

  34. dustrock says:

    It’s also funny to me that people will get angry about Cammalleri playing with Lucic and Draisaitl.

    (a) Chia absolutely has to find value contracts for next year (see LT at The Athletic);

    (b) the season is lost, so we’ll see the MacBlender in full effect. Let your backbone slide.

    T-Mac has to iron out some good line contributions for next year. We know Looch will be here next year, sitting at the head of the table. Maybe Cammalleri is a cheap option to re-sign for a year if he can play with Drai and Looch.

  35. fifthcartel says:

    I don’t think the Oilers can bring back Chiarelli and McLellan. Ideally they’d both go and Fenton and Quenneville come in, but I’m betting McLellan goes and a new HC comes in.

    It sounds like they don’t want to fire Chiarelli (I would yesterday). I’m not sure how you let the man that bled talent try to acquire talent now.

  36. Dicky94 says:

    Psyche,

    It’s not safe to attend a Bomber game in the Peg. Lol
    Seriously though, I hope the Bombers add some good players. They should have a good team next year.

  37. Pouzar says:

    I know few here these days give a shit about such things but:

    Slepy thru 25 games is at CF% rel 3.9 (5 on 5).

  38. frjohnk says:

    dustrock: Maybe Cammalleri is a cheap option to re-sign for a year if he can play with Drai and Looch.

    If Draisaitls wingers are Lucic and Cammy, he is in big trouble.

    EDIT: Lucic has 9 goals in 55 games
    Cammy has 2 goals in 32 games with the Oilers

    Over a 82 game pace, Lucic is on pace for 13 goals. Cammy 5 goals.

    These two are not getting any younger or better.

    Woof Woof

  39. OilClog says:

    This whole showcasing for trade statement… wasn’t Slep made available weeks ago.. where has his showcase been? I don’t think anyone is being show cased, that would leave me to believe the GM n Coach are working together…aaahahahahahah

    Got to love how the refs didn’t give the Oilers a PP, Mcdavid had his stick chopped out of his hands in the o-zone while carrying the puck. Someone in the Oilers set the refs off last summer.

  40. Woogie63 says:

    This week Kevin Lowe’s son Keegan was selected to be the 7th defenseman for the Edmonton Oilers. Keegan was narrowly selected over Craig Simpson’s son, Dillon. When asked why he chose Keegan over Dillon, Wayne Gretzky’s brother Keith said, you have to take emotion and bias out of these type of decisions and make the decision in the best interest of the team.

  41. JimmyV1965 says:

    thehop:
    **People want him traded or bought out but the options are poor. A buy out is so severe it isn’t worth it, and trade options would involve bringing in other problem deals. Would you deal Lucic for Bobby Ryan?**

    Here’s a list to ponder:

    Okposo and Moulson take them both.
    Eriksson
    Callahan
    Weber
    Ryan or Phaneuf
    Suter

    It’s unlikely he waives his NMC to go to any of those teams, other than Tampa, and Callahan only had two years left on his deal.

  42. dustrock says:

    frjohnk: If Draisaitls wingers are Lucic and Cammy, he is in big trouble.

    You’ll have to take that to Chiarelli.

    Also, regarding Klefbom – last year they were talking about him being one of the great value contracts in the entire NHL and an extremely valuable player for the Oilers for the next decade.

    Now he looks pretty terrible. What’s the issue? Decision-making can’t just go away. Is it confidence? A nagging injury?

    If he’s hurt and the Oilers are playing him, damn them all.

    If he’s healthy and playing like this, please figure it out.

  43. Andy Dufresne says:

    leadfarmer,

    Like Brian Burke says, “This game should be called Goalie”. In an ideal world, Chia could leverage Talbots bad season to convince him to be part of a $6 million tandum. Talbot at $3 million and tandum partner at $3 million. Convince him that its temporary, for the sake of the team (and perhaps Talbots career) to sign at $3 million for one year.

  44. who says:

    dustrock:
    I think you’llhave to excuse Todd MacLellan for getting defensive since he’s also trying to save his career at this point.The knives come out when it’s a disappointing season.

    I know Woodguy and others want to fire him into the sun for the Klefbom comment and he probably went too far with it, but it gave some interesting insight into what the coaches do in practices.

    “Hey, we knew they liked to do X on the PP – when this pass happens, here’s what you have to be ready for.”

    And someone wasn’t paying attention.

    This is why, just like in soccer, i’m honestly not sure how much coaching makes a difference.So much of it is about execution.

    Forget pre scouting.
    The thing I don’t understand is what Klefbom was doing on that play. There was no Panther making a center drive and yet he drifted over so far he could have reached out and touched Davidson. He left his side of the ice wide open. You shouldn’t even need a special teams meeting to know not to do that.
    Again I have to wonder about his hockey sense. Unless the shoulder injury is somehow affecting his brain.

  45. OriginalPouzar says:

    Aitch: Good lord, if that’s the standard the coaches are using then Lucic wouldn’t be able to get his ass of the bench in the dressing room.

    My point is he’s not tearing it up shift after shift and game after game. He’s had some nice shifts and nice games and some poor shifts and poor games.

    He had a poor game in the middle of his two good games. Don’t get me wrong, I would like to see him moved up the lineup a bit but every time the guy makes a good play the #freeslep crowd is out in full force like he is consistently making great plays and having great games. He is still highly inconsistent which is what has hurt his icetime.

    I’m hoping he can find some consistency with, presumably, some increased ice over the next while.

  46. Gret99zky says:

    OriginalPouzar: Talbot deserves quite a bit of the ire he will be receiving and I think he will acknowledge that.

    At the same time, I think this fan-base will provide him with a “fresh start” in October and give him every opportunity to prove that this season is the outlier and last season was not.

    2016-17 is the outlier.

    And there is no doubt about it.

  47. OmJo says:

    dustrock: (b) the season is lost, so we’ll see the MacBlender in full effect. Let your backbone slide.

    In that case the season must have been lost right after game 1 because he’s been MacBlending ever since…

  48. Dustylegnd says:

    JUST REMEMBER, IT IS ALWAYS DARKEST RIGHT BEFORE IT GOES PITCH BLACK

    “People want him traded or bought out but the options are poor. A buy out is so severe it isn’t worth it, and trade options would involve bringing in other problem deals. Would you deal Lucic for Bobby Ryan?”

    LT, NO……Ryan is slow of foot as well, no longer scores, doesn’t fight, doesn’t hit, and is injury prone….. frying pan to the fire

    We are left with the hope that Talbot returns to form, but what is his true form? 1 mediocre season, one great season, one horse shit season….3 years and we don’t know what we have

    We are left to hope Klefbomb “returns to form” but what is his form?…he has had one exceptional NHL season, he is 240 games into his career, they say at 300 games you are what you are….

    I do believe if Klef was traded to a good organization and allowed to play 2nd pairing minutes, with a good partner, he would be a hell of a D man…..He will never be afforded that luxury with the Oilers

    We have 0 D men who are exceptional at moving the puck, where will we find one

    We have 0 natural goal scorers, where will we find one?

    This is a mess of epic proportions, largely manufactured by Chia…..how in the name of Howie Morenz can we trust him to undo the damage

    Over/under on the number of years until McDavid requests a trade?

  49. Bank Shot says:

    dustrock: You’ll have to take that to Chiarelli.

    Also, regarding Klefbom – last year they were talking about him being one of the great value contracts in the entire NHL and an extremely valuable player for the Oilers for the next decade.

    Now he looks pretty terrible.What’s the issue?Decision-making can’t just go away.Is it confidence?A nagging injury?

    If he’s hurt and the Oilers are playing him, damn them all.

    If he’s healthy and playing like this, please figure it out.

    Perhaps Larsson was covering up most of Klefbom’s brain dead moments.

    Nurse also looked really good when paired with Larsson.

  50. Andy Dufresne says:

    Anyone have any idea how we can fit a Hofmann type player/salary into our cap structure while paying Nurse and without moving Nuge?

    I get it that we love Nuge and we love our “advantage” of strength down the middle. But in a cap era parity driven league, such “advantages” are more often than not unrealistic luxuries.

    Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

  51. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    dustrock,

    I’m with you here but sadly have parked my comments for the most part.

    Most folks won’t acknowledge that it’s totally 100% possible that players are making boneheaded decisions and it’s not actually being coached.

    Perhaps that means he’s lost the room, on the flip side maybe that means the Oilers are uncoachable because how many times have we heard a similar refrain over the last decade?

    Just some food for thought.

    OilClog,

    Fun fact: The Islanders are dead last in the league in goals allowed and it’s not really close. All that high flying forward talent doesn’t help a whole lot when you’re giving up as much as they are. Though in total kudos I watched them pelt the Wings last week in LAesque fashion on a 5min PP.

    All I’m getting at is that the love for the Isles seems somewhat premature considering their place in the standings and their porous defense.

    Unless they go on a run that means Tavares will have only played in the playoffs in 33% of his career only once past the first round … just sayin

  52. OmJo says:

    OriginalPouzar: My point is he’s not tearing it up shift after shift and game after game.He’s had some nice shifts and nice games and some poor shifts and poor games.

    He had a poor game in the middle of his two good games.Don’t get me wrong, I would like to see him moved up the lineup a bit but every time the guy makes a good play the #freeslep crowd is out in full force like he is consistently making great plays and having great games.He is still highly inconsistent which is what has hurt his icetime.

    I’m hoping he can find some consistency with, presumably, some increased ice over the next while.

    I think a lot of people’s issue with handling Slepyshev is not that he’s not being gifted icetime, it’s the blatant double standard and percieved favouritism by TMac with regards to veterans who aren’t playing very good themselves, maybe worse than the 23 year old, yet still being gifted icetime.

  53. Bank Shot says:

    No one would be complaining about our wingers if we had a solid defense core. Teams like Nashville and LA, and Calgary when Sutter took over were always good teams despite not having a bounty of scoring forwards.

  54. Pescador says:

    Aitch: I’d guess Chia wants to recoup that draft pick he sent out for Montoya.

    Trying to turn that 6th into a 5th,
    Yay

  55. Bank Shot says:

    OmJo: I think a lot of people’s issue with handling Slepyshev is not that he’s not being gifted icetime, it’s the blatant double standard and percieved favouritism by TMac with regards to veterans who aren’t playing very good themselves, maybe worse than the 23 year old, yet still being gifted icetime.

    I like it. Make the young players earn their ice time. It helps them develop responsible games.

    I don’t care if Cammalleri gets caved for 15 minutes a game and neither does the coach. He is what he is.

  56. OriginalPouzar says:

    I see zero reason to trade Slepyshev.

    His value in a trade would be highly middling and I think he has more value as a potential 2nd/3rd line winger on the 2018/19 Edmonton Oilers.

    Sure, if Arizona will accept Slep and a 3rd for Domi then, go for it.

  57. JimmyV1965 says:

    That may have been Talbot’s worst game as an Oiler. I think there’s no question he begins the year as a starter, but I think he’s cost himself an extension over the summer.

    The big challenge facing mngt is what to do at backup. Do you go with Montoya as backup, knowing your starter might fall flat on his face? We certainly don’t have the cap space for a more expensive backup. And what happens if the Oil hit Game 20 next year and it’s clear Talbot is no longer a starter?

  58. Woogie63 says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Anyone have any idea how we can fit a Hofmann type player/salary into our cap structure while paying Nurse and without moving Nuge?

    I get it that we love Nuge and we love our “advantage” of strength down the middle. But in a cap era parity driven league, such “advantages” are more often than not unrealistic luxuries.

    Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

    Cap moves to $80M this year

    Trade Strome instead of Nuge;
    Buy Nurse for 5/6 years at $4.5M
    Caggiula, Slepy for $1.5-$2M each
    LB vs. Montoya

    and you have $5Mish to pay for a “fit for Connor”

    NBC contract is up in 2019, Seattle expansion will move the cap in the very near future. We have Connor and Leon for 8 years.

  59. OriginalPouzar says:

    Gret99zky: 2016-17 is the outlier.

    And there is no doubt about it.

    There is every bit of doubt about it.

  60. Dustylegnd says:

    fifthcartel:
    I don’t think the Oilers can bring back Chiarelli and McLellan. Ideally they’d both go and Fenton and Quenneville come in, but I’m betting McLellan goes and a new HC comes in.

    It sounds like they don’t want to fire Chiarelli (I would yesterday). I’m not sure how you let the man that bled talent try to acquire talent now.

    I can honestly say any individual that contemplates accepting the GM job will need to receive assurances that they are fully authorized to fire McTavish, Green, Howson, Gretzky Jr and Sutter…..otherwise the potential GM candidate is by definition doomed to failure

  61. who says:

    OriginalPouzar: My point is he’s not tearing it up shift after shift and game after game.He’s had some nice shifts and nice games and some poor shifts and poor games.

    He had a poor game in the middle of his two good games.Don’t get me wrong, I would like to see him moved up the lineup a bit but every time the guy makes a good play the #freeslep crowd is out in full force like he is consistently making great plays and having great games.He is still highly inconsistent which is what has hurt his icetime.

    I’m hoping he can find some consistency with, presumably, some increased ice over the next while.

    Oh please.
    Show me 9 other forwards on this team that have played consistently all year. Show me 9 other forwards on this team with Slepeshevs skill set.
    Maybe he really does suck? Who knows? It’s tough to tell when he’s in and out of the lineup playing 10 minutes a night. And the sad thing is, that even in this lost season, we are still not going to know because Tmac isn’t going to play him.
    This coach eats young players for lunch.

  62. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – Here are some of the positives from this year:

    1) They won’t re-up Talbot for huge money for many years

    2) Nurse took advantage of the opportunity, and he is bona-fide

    3) Benning is fine and cheapish. Davidson is also fine and cheap, for bottom-pair D’s

    4) Pulji has shown he can work with skill (just needs reps IMO)

    5) Jar is a useful player, and cheaper than Letetsu

    6) Sleppy he might just be bona-fide and cheap, with school of hard-knocks this year

    7) They are going to have to give the other Goalies more reps as they marinate

    8) Kailer and Benson are having decent years as future wingers that are +/- 1 year away

    9) Maroon has regressed, so it’s unlikely they re-up him for big $: he zoomed last year, isn’t good enough to be CMD’s winger going forward IMO. Lat year’s Maroon this year would be too dear

    10) Strome: kind of what expected

    11) RNH: Showed his worth, and now he’s injured, not likely to get traded at deadline

    I’ll post the negatives seperately

  63. dustrock says:

    McLellan, give the boys a week off from coaching. It’s probably mostly confidence at this point.

  64. Brantford Boy says:

    leadfarmer,

    Not a Talbot bashing thread, but I have wondered recently what is the common thread here… the goalie coach… I’m not saying it is him, as I agree it ‘is’ the PK but… maybe its worth getting a second opinion on Dustin Schwartz methodology…

  65. JimmyV1965 says:

    dustrock:
    It’s also funny to me that people will get angry about Cammalleri playing with Lucic and Draisaitl.

    (a) Chia absolutely has to find value contracts for next year (see LT at The Athletic);

    (b) the season is lost, so we’ll see the MacBlender in full effect. Let your backbone slide.

    T-Mac has to iron out some good line contributions for next year.We know Looch will be here next year, sitting at the head of the table.Maybe Cammalleri is a cheap option to re-sign for a year if he can play with Drai and Looch.

    If we start Cammy on the roster next year, let alone the top 6, we are doomed.

  66. OriginalPouzar says:

    Woogie63: Trade Strome instead of Nuge;
    Buy Nurse for 5/6 years at $4.5M
    Caggiula, Slepy for $1.5-$2M each
    LB vs. Montoya

    and you have $5Mish to pay for a “fit for Connor”

    1) the much bigger hole to fill is a right shot D for the 1st/2nd pair that can move the puck – this will require Russell’s contract to be gone (via miracle trade or, unforuntately, a buyout)

    2) the middling savings on Brossoit over Montoya is not worth the drop off in play. Yes, Montoya had a bad game in his last start but he is a back-up goalie and that will happen. He generally provides the team with “solid backup goaltending” giving the team a chance to win most nights. Montoya is a legit backup in the NHL – Brossoit has yet to establish himself as such.

  67. Oilman99 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I am becoming more and more convinced that the biggest hole to fix on this team is a legit right-handed d-man that can play in the 1st or 2nd pairing that can move the puck.

    The defence, as currently structured, is absolutely awful at transitioning the puck and, aside from tending and the PK, its the biggest determent to the team.

    Presumably Klefbom regains a semblance of being able to pass when he is healthy and gets his confidence back but, my goodness, he cannot pass the puck right now.

    Russell on his off-side in the top 4 cannot happen next year – we need to plug that hole – Russell is a middling puck mover on the left side and a black hole on the right.

    Nurse is still a middling puck mover as he defaults to skating the puck out – I think his first pass will improve but it will never be great.

    A r-d man will cure nothing,there are too many holes to fill. Russell can’t make a breakout pass no matter where he plays,Klef makes constant brain farts, Nuse tries to do too much,Sikera is a shadow of his old self. None of the dmen can think fast enough to make a quick breakout pass,it’s a mess. The forward position is rife with borderline NHLers after McD,Drai,and Nuge.you put the bottom six on wavers,and I would question if any other team would take any of them. Seems like the other teams have a book on Talbot,that blocker side looked bad last night. If there is a deal for Ryan they should jump on it,he may be slow,but his hands are soft,and he can take and make a pass.

  68. Bank Shot says:

    Woogie63:
    Buy Nurse for 5/6 years at $4.5M

    Do you think Nurse has done enough to earn $4.5 million?

    Hell no. Bridge him if he wants that kind of money IMO.

  69. Andy Dufresne says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Given our cap situation, the prospect of trading Klef for a Righty D carries the problem that most of the scenarios involve trading Klefs value contract with term for the Righty specialization that carries a higher cap hit.

    We are the team with the holes. We are going to pay a premium if want to fix it. The idea is to keep the premium to a minimum.

    Looking at contract, age, handedness, skill set would you consider Nuge and Klef out for Justin Faulk and Sergachev in. ??? Sergachev 2 more years ELC, Faulk 25 year old RHD value contract for 2 more years.

    You loose each individual trade (thats the premium) but you free up $6 million to sign a Hoffman, you add a RHD powerplay man and you balance out your D.

    Fixing these problems is going to cost something and take some creativity.

  70. Brantford Boy says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    +1…

    “I’ll post the negatives seperately”
    -1

  71. Dustylegnd says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    It is pathetic when our starting goalie having a shit season is considered a positive to the extent it ensures the GM won’t negotiate against himself on another contract over pay.

  72. OilClog says:

    OilClog,

    Fun fact: The Islanders are dead last in the league in goals allowed and it’s not really close. All that high flying forward talent doesn’t help a whole lot when you’re giving up as much as they are. Though in total kudos I watched them pelt the Wings last week in LAesque fashion on a 5min PP.

    All I’m getting at is that the love for the Isles seems somewhat premature considering their place in the standings and their porous defense.

    Unless they go on a run that means Tavares will have only played in the playoffs in 33% of his career only once past the first round … just sayin

    Ummm what love?

    Saying the Snow will fleece the pants off of chia and end up getting Klef, Slep, and more for Ho sang is just facing reality.

    I’ll make it clear, every team that isn’t named the Oilers can go fuck themselves with sliver filled condoms.

    I’ll cheer for players.. Hall.

    But any team that isn’t the Oilers can burn, while they’re burning Oilers management and coaching can get tossed in the fire.

    Coach is going to call out Klef when he ices the 4th line time and time again after being score on.. TMac needs a few years on the sidelines, the game has passed him by.

  73. JimmyV1965 says:

    dustrock: You’ll have to take that to Chiarelli.

    Also, regarding Klefbom – last year they were talking about him being one of the great value contracts in the entire NHL and an extremely valuable player for the Oilers for the next decade.

    Now he looks pretty terrible.What’s the issue?Decision-making can’t just go away.Is it confidence?A nagging injury?

    If he’s hurt and the Oilers are playing him, damn them all.

    If he’s healthy and playing like this, please figure it out.

    Dmen don’t develop in straight lines, either do forwards. Ghostisbehere was hot garbage last year. This year he’s a rock star.

  74. Oilman99 says:

    OriginalPouzar: There is every bit of doubt about it.

    They will never get back to that level with this lineup,it was definitely a one of.

  75. OilClog says:

    I don’t think anyone wants to see Chia get creative

    There’s one GM in the league that has traded 6 of the top 50 scoring forwards in the league…

    kessel, wheeler, Hall, Eberle, Barzal, Seguin. Ahahaha

  76. Andy Dufresne says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!,

    I assume your phrase “pourous defense” includes mainly a host of fowards who cheat for offense. Pretty much 1/2 the teams in this league could be the highest scoring team in the league if they were ok with being the most scored upon team in the legue as well.

  77. Oilman99 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I see zero reason to trade Slepyshev.

    His value in a trade would be highly middling and I think he has more value as a potential 2nd/3rd line winger on the 2018/19 Edmonton Oilers.

    Sure, if Arizona will accept Slep and a 3rd for Domi then, go for it.

    They would get nothing for Slep,he hasn’t proved that he is a legit NHLers yet,no way Yotes would trade Domi for that deal.

  78. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Dustylegnd:
    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    It is pathetic when our starting goalie having a shit season is considered a positive to the extent it ensures the GM won’t negotiate against himself on another contract over pay.

    – Goalies are voodoo: there are a litany of teams that over pay G’s after a good year

    – Anderson is having a Vezina-few-vote-season this year. He is all of what Talbot was last year

    – Switch goalie performance seasons and the results are the same as Leafs IMO.

    – I’m not in the “blame the goalie for all our woes”, but our goalie has contributed as much for how bad we are this year, as much as he contributed to our success last year: that’s fair

  79. Pescador says:

    OmJo: I think a lot of people’s issue with handling Slepyshev is not that he’s not being gifted icetime, it’s the blatant double standard and percieved favouritism by TMac with regards to veterans who aren’t playing very good themselves, maybe worse than the 23 year old, yet still being gifted icetime.

    To add; Slepyshev is a young player with a ceiling that hasn’t been reached yet, he is still in the Development stage of his NHL career.
    He was constantly being healthy scratched in favour of Pakarinen & or Cammalleri.
    Is Anton the answer to everything that ails the Oiler on the wing? No
    But next year this Org will be desperate for value contracts,desperate.
    Helping Slepyshev take a step forward and find that consistency should be a high priority.
    The actions of the GM & the Deadman Man Walking™ have been very confusing to say the least.

  80. Andy Dufresne says:

    OilClog,

    I definitely would like to see him get creative.

  81. leadfarmer says:

    Brantford Boy:
    leadfarmer,

    Not a Talbot bashing thread,Th but I have wondered recently what is the common thread here… the goalie coach… I’m not saying it is him, as I agree it ‘is’ the PK but… maybe its worth getting a second opinion on Dustin Schwartz methodology…

    The point is only the Oilers keep throwing a goalie that is struggling out there night after night. First Dubnyk now Talbot. Rask struggled early and got benched for Khudobin for a while. Allen struggled and got benched for Hutton, Jones struggled and has given up time to Dell. I dont think anyone would argue against sitting Talbot for 5 games and letting him find his game except for the guys running this team

  82. Oilman99 says:

    OilClog:
    I don’t think anyone wants to see Chia get creative

    There’s one GM in the league that has traded 6 of the top 50 scoring forwards in the league…

    kessel, wheeler, Hall, Eberle, Barzal, Seguin. Ahahaha

    Keep Chia away from the phone before totally f’s up this team for another ten years.

  83. who says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Given our cap situation, the prospect of trading Klef for a Righty D carries the problem that most of the scenarios involve trading Klefs value contract with term for the Righty specialization that carries a higher cap hit.

    We are the team with the holes. We are going to pay a premium if want to fix it. The idea is to keep the premium to a minimum.

    Looking at contract, age, handedness, skill set would you consider Nuge and Klef out for Justin Faulk and Sergachev in. ???Sergachev 2 more years ELC, Faulk 25 year old RHD value contract for 2 more years.

    You loose each individual trade (thats the premium) but you free up $6 million to sign a Hoffman, you add a RHD powerplay man and you balance out your D.

    Fixing these problems is going to cost something and take some creativity.

    Do you really think that Tampa would trade Sergachev for Klefbom? Seems like a pretty big stretch to me.

  84. Andy Dufresne says:

    Pescador,

    Not sure of the solution but its clear that our coach is a guy who ‘Heavily” favours the players who make the least mistakes. Which is why he favours vets…which is why he favours less talent (Pak) over more talented rookies etc. He repeadlty speaks in post game about the” mistakes” that cost us the game.

    I agree with him. Just not sure how to fix it.

  85. Gayfish says:

    How can other teams have a good pk with role players, and we can’t even have a bad one with high end players? Bye bye Tmac, hardly knew ya.

    Evaluating NHL goalies is so hard, since 95% of GA are “not his fault”. But NHL goalies make these saves routinely (say 10ish a night). I don’t see a way to balance this by eye. You have to rely on sv% or GSAA evaluations.

  86. OilClog says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    OilClog,

    I definitely would like to see him get creative.

    I kinda do too, Nuge will end up in Washington putting up 5pt games bi-weekly while Mcdavid sets up Brent Connolly

  87. Dustylegnd says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    Ohhh I am agreeing with you…save percentage for the most part doesn’t lie, (yes nature of chances against, high danger scoring etc,etc,etc) …..Talbot has been bad and he is a big part of the problem, but our defence is shit, they have shit gap control, can’t pass, and can’t carry with a few exceptions

    Sekera gets a pass, LT called this outcome last spring…Kleff does not get a pass, Benning does not get a pass, I am indifferent about Russel…..Nurse has improved immensely but on a good team, he is a #4 D at this point in his career

  88. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I am becoming more and more convinced that the biggest hole to fix on this team is a legit right-handed d-man that can play in the 1st or 2nd pairing that can move the puck.

    The team is coached not to move the puck, but do a three MIssissippi count while playing pass the hot potato between the D.

    It is a “play slow” system. It is why the coach loves Russell. It is why Larsson has abandoned the forward pass. It gives too much time for Klefbom to think. Nurse just says, eff it, and lugs the puck out.

    Changing the players or D cannot fix the coaching staff.

  89. Offside says:

    Congratulations Oilers PK. You have now exceeded the referees as the most embarrassing thing about the NHL

  90. Gayfish says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Pescador,

    Not sure of the solution but its clear that our coach is a guy who ‘Heavily” favours the players who make the least mistakes. Which is why he favours vets…which is why he favours less talent (Pak) over more talented rookies etc.He repeadlty speaks in post game about the” mistakes” that cost us the game.

    I agree with him. Just not sure how to fix it.

    Throwback to when Yakupov made a mistake on the 4-0 goal and Eakins blamed the loss on him.

  91. JimmyV1965 says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!:
    dustrock,

    I’m with you here but sadly have parked my comments for the most part.

    Most folks won’t acknowledge that it’s totally 100% possible that players are making boneheaded decisions and it’s not actually being coached.

    Perhaps that means he’s lost the room, on the flip side maybe that means the Oilers are uncoachable because how many times have we heard a similar refrain over the last decade?

    Just some food for thought.

    OilClog,

    Fun fact: The Islanders are dead last in the league in goals allowed and it’s not really close. All that high flying forward talent doesn’t help a whole lot when you’re giving up as much as they are. Though in total kudos I watched them pelt the Wings last week in LAesque fashion on a 5min PP.

    All I’m getting at is that the love for the Isles seems somewhat premature considering their place in the standings and their porous defense.

    Unless they go on a run that means Tavares will have only played in the playoffs in 33% of his career only once past the first round … just sayin

    Islanders goaltending is just as bad as the Oilers. Teams with good goalies make the playoffs. Teams with bad goalies don’t. The difference between the Jets last year and this year is goaltending. Same with the Stars. And I know our defence is terrible and they play a major role, but Talbot has simply been awful.

  92. Dustylegnd says:

    OilClog:
    I don’t think anyone wants to see Chia get creative

    There’s one GM in the league that has traded 6 of the top 50 scoring forwards in the league…

    kessel, wheeler, Hall, Eberle, Barzal, Seguin. Ahahaha

    You can’t make this shit up….he gets lucky on the Kessel trade but can’t stand prosperity and trades him for pennies on the dollar to fuck up his 1 lucky deal…..Seriously, you can’t make this shit up

  93. Andy Dufresne says:

    who,

    Its a strectch to me too. So yes it involves some degree of hope on my part. But im looking at leverage and the leverage involved is a) Yzermans stated need/desire to add a veteran defense for this years cup run b) Klefs value contract cost controlled for 5 more years.

    Who gives Tampa a better chance to win this year Klef or Sergachev? and its a hockey trade not just a deadline rental.

    But my main point is finding value contracts and cap solutionsof which ELCs could be a part.

  94. Truth says:

    If finishing the season 7-18-2 is what it takes to get Chiarelli fired I’m all for it! More preferably, he needs to be removed now before he does more damage at the deadline. Simply put, he’s not a capable NHL GM for the current state of the game.

    Lucic is done. Nicholson needs to consult Lamoriello on how they can bury that contract, much like Robidas or Lupus. Unless they can pull some sort of magic like the Leafs did unloading Clarkson.

  95. Pouzar says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Pescador,

    Not sure of the solution but its clear that our coach is a guy who ‘Heavily” favours the players who make the least mistakes. Which is why he favours vets…which is why he favours less talent (Pak) over more talented rookies etc.He repeadlty speaks in post game about the” mistakes” that cost us the game.

    I agree with him. Just not sure how to fix it.

    Pak is, and always will be, a possession black hole.
    If coach favors him over Slepy then that’s a problem.

  96. OilClog says:

    JimmyV1965: Islanders goaltending is just as bad as the Oilers. Teams with good goalies make the playoffs. Teams with bad goalies don’t. The difference between the Jets last year and this year is goaltending. Same with the Stars. And I know our defence is terrible and they play a major role, but Talbot has simply been awful.

    Even if Talbs was standing on his head like last year, this team would still stink. When 4 of your 18 players on the bench are the only way to produce offence you need a goalie that has 8 arms, 8 legs, and 4 heads.

  97. Brantford Boy says:

    Oilman99,

    But if you can pry Ekblad out of Florida for McDavid you do it right? 😉

  98. Andy Dufresne says:

    JimmyV1965,

    Goalering is a Team endevour. Bad team D Including forwards = Bad Goalering.

    Check out Mike Smiths career.

  99. Andy Dufresne says:

    Pouzar,

    IMHO you need to ask yourself why he does that. And PLEASE assume hes not an idiot.

  100. OilClog says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Pescador,

    Not sure of the solution but its clear that our coach is a guy who ‘Heavily” favours the players who make the least mistakes. Which is why he favours vets…which is why he favours less talent (Pak) over more talented rookies etc.He repeadlty speaks in post game about the” mistakes” that cost us the game.

    I agree with him. Just not sure how to fix it.

    TMac is lost as to what the mistakes costing the game is.. he can sit down and shut the fuck up when he’s icing 13/55 as a PK tandem. hard to fault a player for not giving a shit when you’ve just watch your coach cost you the game with mistakes,

  101. Pescador says:

    OilClog:
    I don’t think anyone wants to see Chia get creative

    There’s one GM in the league that has traded 6 of the top 50 scoring forwards in the league…

    kessel, wheeler, Hall, Eberle, Barzal, Seguin. Ahahaha

    Get ready to add RNH to this list

  102. JimmyV1965 says:

    Woogie63: Cap moves to $80M this year

    Trade Strome instead of Nuge;
    Buy Nurse for 5/6 years at $4.5M
    Caggiula, Slepy for $1.5-$2M each
    LB vs. Montoya

    and you have $5Mish to pay for a “fit for Connor”

    NBC contract is up in 2019, Seattle expansion will move the cap in the very near future.We have Connor and Leon for 8 years.

    Honest question here. Do we have to give Schleppy and the Drake a pay raise? Same with Davey and Benning? They should all get league min.

  103. russ99 says:

    The reason the coach plays some players over others is due to egregious mistakes without the puck and playing for themselves rather than within the systems.

    Slepyshev missed camp and then made a set of blatant errors when he came back. Caggiula has had a poor offensive season but can play the system effectively without the puck.

    Any coach would do this, and there’s many examples with other teams, a good one is Galchenyuk. Play the right way, you get ice time. Play selfish and mess up when you should be playing a team game, you sit.

    Babcock does this, Quenneville does this.

    If you want to rip McLellan, there’s lots to rip him for: too much line juggling, slow to adapt.

    But don’t mix up stathead fan preference for offense and possession with bad coaching.

    We were here with Renney. He has systems that worked, structure that worked, player accountability and the old boy brass threw that away to let the players do what they want.

    I hope it doesn’t happen again.

  104. jtblack says:

    I dont Like this team. There, I said it. Took me 60 games but I am officially pissed off.

    Look at the GM’s body of work from July to Now He has done NOTHING.

    At some point the blame for the most horrendous PK since Joe Malone played, has to be layed at the Feet of the coaching staff. AND THEY WONT CHANGE THE STRUCTURE. Try a Wall Try a Box But stop the Flying L bullshit Maybe some other teams can execute. This team cant. sinplify the PK. Please.

    I have no idea if the GM survives this season, but I am seeing the writing on the wall for TMac. Its been 3 years. The Team either cannot execute or doesnt understand his systems.

    This team has good enough pieces to be competitive.

  105. Andy Dufresne says:

    Pouzar,

    IMHO you need to ask yourself why he does that. And PLEASE assume hes not an idiot.

    OilClog: I kinda do too, Nuge will end up in Washington putting up 5pt games bi-weekly while Mcdavid sets up Brent Connolly

    OilClog Type “Sarcasm is” into your browser window

  106. OilClog says:

    Pescador,

    Already have, he’s going to the caps straight up for Connolly. Connolly will come in being sold as Mcdavid’s wingnhe’s always needed then proceed to score once, against Vancouver. After the game Chia will glow like a proud puppy.

  107. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Here are the negatives from this year:

    1) Results matter, and they are so bad

    2) While I’d assign a huge amount of the PK/PP numbers and anomolies home vs road to luck/variance, they have to be at least average in order to compete: let alone go deep

    3) Talbot hasn’t been very consistent: he wobbles a lot every season: last season he straightened it out, but he’s not shown a body of work to suggest a Cup goalie IMO: hasn’t stolen a game in ages

    4) The OBC in-fighting: Gtretz + Gretz + MacT + Lowe (and his son): it hasn’t gotten better, and the failed coup- d’etat, I’m not sure how this organization evolves from this: way too many cooks, with different agendas. So many losers in management in terms of their managerial track record

    5) Klef and Larsson: rather than improve on last year they regressed:

    6) Sek has been bottom-pair D now benched: what do you do with him

    7) They still haven’t figured out if their 3C are MacD – Drai – RNH, or if Drai is going to be the W for CmD, or what they are doing with Strome: is he a C, CmD’;s winger or what? Drai or Strome couldn’t answer those questions either

    8) Who is CmD’s wingers for next year?

    9) The temptation to again fire everyone is strong, but then you have OBC.

    10) Do they endorse the Coach, or fire him? Many players are now playing for their lives and careers going forward: the team doesn’t matter, so he’s in a tough spot

    – Lots of still unanswered questions…

  108. Bag of Pucks says:

    If only Chiarelli had signed Jagr and Franson in the offseason, we’d be in playoff contention now.

    But seriously folks….

    Last season’s unexpected playoff berth was built on the backs of an unexpectedly solid defensive performance. That performance was led by these 3 players.

    Talbot
    Larsson
    Klefbom

    Each of them has been demonstrably worse this season.

    So, we’re back to the age old conundrum that’s plagued Oilers fans throughout the 21st century. Is it the coach or the players? I would suggest it would be easier to replace Todd MacLellan than it would all of Talbot, Larsson and Klefbom.

    What are they waiting for?

    Fire. The. Coach.

  109. OilClog says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Pouzar,

    IMHOyou need to ask yourself why he does that. And PLEASE assume hes not an idiot.

    Type “Sarcasm is” into your brower window

    I caught your sarcasm, sorry I didn’t respond in a manner that compelled you to be a prick,

    Ask Siri how to get over yourself.

  110. Andy Dufresne says:

    jtblack,

    Yes. Except 2016-2017

    He gets one more 1/2 season

  111. Pouzar says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Pouzar,

    IMHOyou need to ask yourself why he does that. And PLEASE assume hes not an idiot.

    Just putting the finishing touches on that world hunger thing…will get back to you.

  112. Woogie63 says:

    JimmyV1965: Honest question here. Do we have to give Schleppy and the Drake a pay raise? Same with Davey and Benning? They should all get league min.

    You make a good point … more to find a talent to play with Connor is you are more correct than I am

  113. jtblack says:

    The team is coached not to move the puck, but do a three MIssissippi count while playing pass the hot potato between the D.

    +1

    Tmac might want to note that the better teams now play “with pace”. Hes stuck in 1996 ideals.

  114. Andy Dufresne says:

    russ99,

    Well said. Thank you.

  115. Andy Dufresne says:

    Pouzar: Just putting the finishing touches on that world hunger thing…will get back to you.

    Didnt mean to be offensive. russ99 answered the point on why TMac plays Pak over Sleppy

  116. DocFan says:

    IMHO,

    1) Lucic – is not going anywhere. You trade him for something, it’s something equally bad or worse coming back. Best hope – build on his strengths which is his pride. I would set him up with a speed / conditioning coach. He’s just too slow, and he needs to improve his overall decision making, first step, and hand eye. These are all things that can improve. You hope he becomes an average quickness player and this will improve his overall play. You CANNOT get value out of this contract no matter what – trade or buyout or even improvement.

    2) Stay the course. The real problem with this team (and possibly because of the fan base) is there really is very little patience. Team winning – everyone is happy. Team losing – firethemall. Continuous improvement should be the goal. If you fire the coach, fine, but then expect 30-50 games of middling results until the players learn a new system. Reactivity in any profession is never a good thing. Reactions cause more issues. Trading Klefbom, Firing the GM, Firing the coach, it just resets the clock and creates a whole new set of issues.

    The team was a mess in 15-16, so to me, that season shouldn’t be on Chia or Tmac. 16-17, they were nomitated for awards, 17-18, Not so much. So 1 good season, 1 bad season. They need at least one more to see where this is really going.

  117. Pouzar says:

    russ99: Caggiula has had a poor offensive season but can play the system effectively without the puck.

    Huh? Really?
    He is arguably the worse defensive forward we have.

  118. Andy Dufresne says:

    OilClog,

    she said “Psychotropic drugs or Transcendental meditation”

  119. Woogie63 says:

    OriginalPouzar: 1) the much bigger hole to fill is a right shot D for the 1st/2nd pair that can move the puck – this will require Russell’s contract to be gone (via miracle trade or, unforuntately, a buyout)

    2) the middling savings on Brossoit over Montoya is not worth the drop off in play.Yes, Montoya had a bad game in his last start but he is a back-up goalie and that will happen.He generally provides the team with “solid backup goaltending” giving the team a chance to win most nights.Montoya is a legit backup in the NHL – Brossoit has yet to establish himself as such.

    A healthy Sekera is you 1/2 RSD

    Russell to my mind has covered the bet … We knew we needed a vet to eat some of the lost Sekera minutes this year.

    Russell – wears and “A”, leads the league in blocked shots, plays 18.53 TOI our top scoring dman without much PP time.

    285 dman in Capfriendly

    Russell is;

    Points 56/285 …top quarter of the peer group
    TOI 121/285 …2nd quarter of the peer group
    Cap Hit 79/285 … 2nd quarter of the peer group

  120. Andy Dufresne says:

    DocFan,
    Move him if you can, otherwise
    Minimize his weaknesses. Play him with Drai at center and JP on left wing.

  121. JimmyV1965 says:

    OilClog: Even if Talbs was standing on his head like last year, this team would still stink. When 4 of your 18 players on the bench are the only way to produce offence you need a goalie that has 8 arms, 8 legs, and 4 heads.

    Yet we made the playoffs last year with the same roster, sans Eberle. Our 5 x5 play is actually decent this year.

  122. godot10 says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!:
    dustrock,

    I’m with you here but sadly have parked my comments for the most part.

    Most folks won’t acknowledge that it’s totally 100% possible that players are making boneheaded decisions and it’s not actually being coached.

    Perhaps that means he’s lost the room, on the flip side maybe that means the Oilers are uncoachable because how many times have we heard a similar refrain over the last decade?

    Just some food for thought.

    Chiarelli and McLellan have changed basically all the players. If this team is uncoachable, it is the team they formed and shaped out of their own decisions.

    But some people want to keep blaming Taylor Hall.

  123. Pouzar says:

    Andy Dufresne: Didnt mean to be offensive. russ99 answered the point on why TMac plays Pak over Sleppy

    Using Cagguila doesn’t make the point he thinks he’s making.
    Caggs is horrid without the puck.

  124. OmJo says:

    Bank Shot: I like it. Make the young players earn their ice time. It helps them develop responsible games.

    I don’t care if Cammalleri gets caved for 15 minutes a game and neither does the coach. He is what he is.

    Who are they earning their icetime from?

    Lucic has what, 1 goal in his last 19 games. Cammalleri has 2.

    Not exactly setting high standards.

  125. Bag of Pucks says:

    jtblack:

    This team has good enough pieces to be competitive.

    This is really the crux of it, isn’t it?

    You can say Chiarelli hasn’t done enough to build a legitimate Cup contender and he’s left them in a difficult situation capwise, and those are reasonable criticisms.

    But the team is far worse than not being a legit Cup contender, they’re inept. A team that can ice Connor McDavid and Leon Draisaitl is inept on the PP. A team that can ice Adam Larsson and Darnell Nurse is inept on the PK. A team that can ice Jesse Pulijarvi and Oscar Klefbom is thought to be bereft of young emerging talent.

    This team may not have enough talent to win in the second season, but they certainly have enough talent to not be brutal in the regular season. That is on the Head Coach.

    Fire. The. Coach.

  126. godot10 says:

    OilClog: Ummm what love?

    I’ll make it clear, every team that isn’t named the Oilers can go fuck themselves with sliver filled condoms.

    I’ll cheer for players.. Hall.

    But any team that isn’t the Oilers can burn, while they’re burning Oilers management and coaching can get tossed in the fire.

    +1

  127. Gayfish says:

    russ99: Caggiula has had a poor offensive season but can play the system effectively without the puck.

    Just not the same system the rest of the team is playing I guess. He’s playing checkers when the game is chess.

  128. Rondo says:

    Fire Chiarelli now. Don’t trust him in the GM seat for trades or draft.

    Regarding McLellan if your going to fire him you need a replacement. Doesn’t seem there are a lot of options out there for now.

  129. godot10 says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!,

    I assume your phrase “pourous defense” includes mainly a host of fowards who cheat for offense. Pretty much 1/2 the teams in this league could be the highest scoring team in the league if they were ok with being the most scored upon team in the legue as well.

    The forwards don’t cheat for offense. The puck doesn’t come out from the D because they are counting Mississippi’s back there for the coaches.

  130. Bag of Pucks says:

    Milan Lucic is starting to remind me of Mike Richards. Like Lucic, in his prime Richards absolutely owned the boards. Completely dominant on the dump/cycle game. A complete buzzsaw in the corners and slot.

    But when the dropoff came, it was quick and precipitous. Largely because the player lost that extra step needed to get to the wall before the defender could play the puck.

    A Lucic that can’t forecheck is a cruise missile without a guidance system. Functionally useless.

  131. Andy Dufresne says:

    I think this team makes the playoffs next year. (in fact Im betting on it)

    So if I beleive that then I’m not firing the GM or the Coach at this point. For me, the rest is details. Interesting, Fun, Infuriating details.

  132. JimmyV1965 says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    JimmyV1965,

    Goalering is a Team endevour. Bad team D Including forwards = Bad Goalering.

    Check out Mike Smiths career.

    Of course it makes a difference, but teams with bad goalies don’t make the playoffs. Again, the jets have the exact same roster and they went from outhouse to penthouse. Same with the Stars. Even last night, our defence wax putrid, bud if Talbot played better we win the game.

    If Mike Smith wasn’t standing on his head this year the Flames are not even close to a playoff spot. Most overrated defence in the league.

  133. Andy Dufresne says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    I believe part of the contract rational for the Lucic contract has to do with the CBA lockout season, future expansion to Seattle, etc. It was never intended to be more than a four year contract. Even given these considerations, still turns out to be a bad contract.

  134. Andy Dufresne says:

    Pouzar,

    Thank you. I will read.
    And let me add because I’m typically not in here much. I really enjoy your posts. Find them very informative and balanced.

  135. JimmyV1965 says:

    Woogie63: You make a good point … more to find a talent to play with Connor is you are more correct than I am

    Actually I was asking under the CBA are we required to give Schleppy, the Drake, Benning and Davey a raise?

  136. Andy Dufresne says:

    JimmyV1965: Of course it makes a difference, but teams with bad goalies don’t make the playoffs. Again, the jets have the exact same roster and they went from outhouse to penthouse. Same with the Stars. Even last night, our defence wax putrid, bud if Talbot played better we win the game.

    If Mike Smith wasn’t standing on his head this year the Flames are not even close to a playoff spot. Most overrated defence in the league.

    Fair. Can I ask you if you are leaning towards some alternative solution for the goaltending for next year?

  137. YKOil says:

    Heh, considering the contracts signed… we needed last year and this year switch around.

    McDavid $12 million, Drai $7.25 and Russell for $2.5 million/per for two years? Lillegren instead of Yamamoto?

    Timing. All timing.

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – Here are some of the positives from this year:

    1) They won’t re-up Talbot for huge money for many years

    2) Nurse took advantage of the opportunity, and he is bona-fide

    3) Benning is fine and cheapish.Davidson is also fine and cheap, for bottom-pair D’s

    4) Pulji has shown he can work with skill (just needs reps IMO)

    5) Jar is a useful player, and cheaper than Letetsu

    6) Sleppy he might just be bona-fideand cheap, with school of hard-knocks this year

    7) They are going to have to give the other Goalies more reps as they marinate

    8) Kailer and Benson are having decent years as future wingers that are +/- 1 year away

    9) Maroon has regressed, so it’s unlikely they re-up him for big $: he zoomed last year, isn’t good enough to be CMD’s winger going forward IMO.Lat year’s Maroon this year would be too dear

    10) Strome: kind of what expected

    11) RNH: Showed his worth, and now he’s injured, not likely to get traded at deadline

    I’ll post the negatives seperately

  138. Pouzar says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Pouzar,

    Thank you. I will read.
    And let me add because I’m typically not in here much. I really enjoy your posts. Find them very informative and balanced.

    Cheers!

  139. OriginalPouzar says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Given our cap situation, the prospect of trading Klef for a Righty D carries the problem that most of the scenarios involve trading Klefs value contract with term for the Righty specialization that carries a higher cap hit.

    We are the team with the holes. We are going to pay a premium if want to fix it. The idea is to keep the premium to a minimum.

    Looking at contract, age, handedness, skill set would you consider Nuge and Klef out for Justin Faulk and Sergachev in. ???Sergachev 2 more years ELC, Faulk 25 year old RHD value contract for 2 more years.

    You loose each individual trade (thats the premium) but you free up $6 million to sign a Hoffman, you add a RHD powerplay man and you balance out your D.

    Fixing these problems is going to cost something and take some creativity.

    Depending on what Klefbom we see next year, I’m not sure how much we lose in a Sergachev/Klefbom swap.

    That kid is a stud. I’m not sure what his advanced metric are in Tampa and I’m sure he’s sheltered and benefitiing from playing on a top team with balance, however, his offence is already better than Oscar’s.

  140. exoilinxs says:

    When does the lottery ball website come out again? Pushing that button before McDavids draft was the best thing that year. Unfortunately that will be my joy now.

  141. godot10 says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    If only Chiarelli had signed Jagr and Franson in the offseason, we’d be in playoff contention now.

    But seriously folks….

    Last season’s unexpected playoff berth was built on the backs of an unexpectedly solid defensive performance. That performance was led by these 3 players.

    Talbot
    Larsson
    Klefbom

    Each of them has been demonstrably worse this season.

    So, we’re back to the age old conundrum that’s plagued Oilers fans throughout the 21st century. Is it the coach or the players? I would suggest it would be easier to replace Todd MacLellan than it would all of Talbot, Larsson and Klefbom.

    What are they waiting for?

    Fire. The. Coach.

    They have no interim coach options. The assistant coaches are not qualified. And the AHL coach can’t coach Bakerfield out of the basement.

    Tambellini did a lot of things wrong but he made sure there was an assistant on the NHL team and/or a coach of the AHL team that could be interim coaches.

  142. Bad Seed says:

    godot10,

    What are ya talking about? We’ve got MacT, Lowe and Gretzky waiting in the wings. Take your pick!

  143. Bag of Pucks says:

    godot10,

    They could fly in an HC they want to trial on an interim basis.

    Tippet. Bylsma. Therrien. Nolan.

    Crawford’s likely to get jettisoned out of Ottawa and would probably take a chance on an interim gig to get back in HC contention.

    Hell, Mike Keenan’s in Russia and I would take him over another 27 games of MacLellan. If nothing else, after a third of a season with Iron Mike, the players would probably run through a wall next year to play for a player ‘friendly’ coach.

    Quennenville and Tippet are the guys I would target as the longterm solution if the interim guy can’t pull a rabbit out of the hat.

    Honestly, do we want these jokers saving their jobs now? All that a late run of success in meaningless games accomplishes is worsening their draft position now.

  144. JimmyV1965 says:

    Rondo:
    FireChiarellinow. Don’t trust him in the GM seatfor trades or draft.

    Regarding McLellan if your going to fire him you need a replacement. Doesn’t seem there are a lot of optionsout there for now.

    I think our drafting has improved exponentially under Chia. Blame him for many things, but give credit where credit is due.

  145. hags9k says:

    Too bad LB wasn’t quite ready to step up this year. Also too bad the GM didn’t have a more capable backup for the coach in the fall. We really needed a backup to step up and be a storyline for a while this year. Heck you need that every year.

    The coach has one guy he trusts and it creates a deployment nightmare. What goalies might be available at the deadline or in summer?

  146. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Pescador,

    Not sure of the solution but its clear that our coach is a guy who ‘Heavily” favours the players who make the least mistakes. Which is why he favours vets…which is why he favours less talent (Pak) over more talented rookies etc.He repeadlty speaks in post game about the” mistakes” that cost us the game.

    I agree with him. Just not sure how to fix it.

    A counter argument is that a mistake that cost Oilers last game was the decision — his, presumably — to pressbox their best penalty killer & go back to the People With No Sense Of Direction.

    (love that line, LT, really sums things up)

  147. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Offside:
    Congratulations Oilers PK. You have now exceeded the referees as the most embarrassing thing about the NHL

    Last night was a push in this particular turtle race. Both were disgraceful.

  148. Rondo says:

    JimmyV1965,

    Nope, he’s been horrible.

  149. JimmyV1965 says:

    Andy Dufresne: Fair. Can I ask you if you are leaning towards some alternative solution for the goaltending for next year?

    No. I think we have to go with Talbot as the starter. He deserves that after last season and goalies, like everyone else, have bad years. What terrifies me though is if he has another bad season. What do you do if he looks horrid after 20 games? I think a backup like Keumper would be a smart signing, but we simply don’t have the cap space to bring in a backup with even a $3 mill cap hit. This is a huge challenge for mngt.

  150. Moose says:

    Crazy bad contract swap idea of the day:

    Lucic (5yrs @ 6m)
    Russell (3yrs @ 4m) = 10m combined cap hit

    for

    Shaw (4yrs @ 3.9m)
    Alzner (4yrs @ 4.625m) = 8.525 combined cap hit

    Shave some money off the cap hit and an Alzner buyout for next year is actually a net cap benefit of $70k, if you wanted to try and load up for a run next year. It gets worse later (lockout protection). But overall the caplet would be somewhat mitigated by new expansion revenues (higher cap ceiling) and the $1.5m difference.

    Who says no?

  151. JimmyV1965 says:

    godot10: They have no interim coach options.The assistant coaches are not qualified.And the AHL coach can’t coach Bakerfield out of the basement.

    Tambellini did a lot of things wrong but he made sure there was an assistant on the NHL team and/or a coach of the AHL team that could be interim coaches.

    This is so frickin frustrating. We have a coach in the AHL
    who would never, ever be considered as a replacement for the NHL coach. Who does that? The message I get: The AHL team is so inconsequential it doesn’t matter who coaches.

  152. Rondo says:

    Kristian Vesalainen maybe the steal of last year’s draft.

  153. OriginalPouzar says:

    I’m getting pretty excited for the deadline.

    Looking to acquire a decent haul of futures.

    Originally, I was all about draft picks, however, I am really hoping that we can get an NHL-ready, or close to NHL ready, right shot D (Jordan Schmalz) or winger (Kyrou, Tage Thompson, Daniel Sprong).

    We may need to add a pick to Maroon or Letestu to grab one of those prospects but I would do it.

  154. godot10 says:

    Moose:
    Crazy bad contract swap idea of the day:

    Lucic (5yrs @ 6m)
    Russell (3yrs @ 4m) = 10m combined cap hit

    for

    Shaw (4yrs @ 3.9m)
    Alzner (4yrs @ 4.625m) = 8.525 combined cap hit

    Shave some money off the cap hit and an Alzner buyout for next year is actually a net cap benefit of $70k, if you wanted to try and load up for a run next year. It gets worse later (lockout protection). But overall the caplet would be somewhat mitigated by new expansion revenues (higher cap ceiling) and the $1.5m difference.

    Who says no?

    Lucic and Russell say no.

  155. OriginalPouzar says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Given our cap situation, the prospect of trading Klef for a Righty D carries the problem that most of the scenarios involve trading Klefs value contract with term for the Righty specialization that carries a higher cap hit.

    I don’t disagree and the other option is to trade Klef for multiple pieces (the 3 for 1 that I suggested) and otherwise acquire a legit 1st or 2nd pairing d-man – whether by sign or trade. John Carlson would be amazing but never going to happen.

    My point is simply that I feel the biggest priority this off-season is a 1st/2nd pairing puck moving right shot D but I also don’t think we can acquire such a player without one of the $4M plus contracts on the left side being disposed of. Ideal would be a Russell trade but that chances of that are slim to none.

    I don’t want to trade Klefbom, I see Nurse and Klef as the left side anchors of the future, however something has to give in order to fill that very important hole.

    To be clear, I do not trade Klef in any scenario unless its in connection with a legit 1st/2nd pairing RHD signed for term (unless, of course, its a crazy deal we can’t refuse).

  156. Bruce McCurdy says:

    OmJo: Who are they earning their icetime from?

    Lucic has what, 1 goal in his last 19 games. Cammalleri has 2.

    Not exactly setting high standards.

    Lucic has 0 goals in his last 19 games
    Cammalleri has 0 goals in the* last 19 games
    (*he didn’t play quite all of them)

    That takes us back to Christmas. Two other regular forwards, Strome & Letestu, also have 0 goals in that same window. That’s basically a third of your forwards without a single goal over basically a quarter of the season. About $11 MM cap hit combined.

    But hey, let’s showcase Mike Cammalleri for 19 minutes to showcase the fact he can no longer hit an open net from two feet away. That’ll have the potential buyers lining up.

  157. Moose says:

    godot10: Lucic and Russell say no.

    Well, that’s no fun.

  158. Brantford Boy says:

    jtblack,

    Much like the GM, I have tried to remain patient with the coach (and staff)… however, after watching Bieksa’s interview in the intermission, saying something to the effect he “hasn’t seen the spread out PP since 2006” I have to agree, maybe the coach’s are at fault here… almost below the belt stab like Lars Eller a few years back that “we run a junior hockey system, not an NHL one”…

  159. Brantford Boy says:

    Rondo,

    And my “hope” is we get him in a trade for Maroon… I’m sacrificing goats as we speak…

  160. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oilman99: They would get nothing for Slep,he hasn’t proved that he is a legit NHLers yet,no way Yotes would trade Domi for that deal.

    Of course they wouldn’t – kind of the point of my post re: keeping Slepy rather than trading him for a next to nothing return.

  161. Moose says:

    All of the Lucic hate is justified, but at some point the real issue becomes putting him in a position to succeed. If he’s unmovable and his contract is a sunk cost, accept that fact and stop playing him in the top 6. Play him on the third line against the softs and see if you can salvage some value/production from the situation.

    I’m not sure what the downside is. What, he gets pissed and asks for a trade? Coaches and management are constantly talking about earning your ice time and accountability. Time to put up or shut up.

  162. John Chambers says:

    JimmyV1965: No. I think we have to go with Talbot as the starter. He deserves that after last season and goalies, like everyone else, have bad years. What terrifies me though is if he has another bad season.What do you do if he looks horrid after 20 games? I think a backup like Keumper would be a smart signing, but we simply don’t have the cap space to bring in a backup with even a $3 mill cap hit. This is a huge challenge for mngt.

    I’m okay with giving Talbot a long offseason to prepare and give him a chance at being a #1 again next year, but I also think investing in a quality backup is paramount.

    My target would be Darcy Kuemper who is playing out of his mind.

    Still young, (drafted in 2009), Kuemper may be at the point where he’s figured it all out professionally and is having a very successful run of games (.937 SP over 17 games).

    Would he turn down a 3-year contract at $2.5 – $3M? At worst you have an expensive backup, but a darn good one who will have just turned 28 this summer.

  163. Munny says:

    This is probably the wrong time to mention that the Oiler PK is Number One in the entire NHL on the road.

    (as of this past weekend)

  164. Dustylegnd says:

    John Chambers,

    Those stats sound a lot like Talbots stats in his final year with the Rangers no?

  165. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10: The team is coached not to move the puck, but do a three MIssissippi count while playing pass the hot potato between the D.

    It is a “play slow” system.It is why the coach loves Russell.It is why Larsson has abandoned the forward pass.It gives too much time for Klefbom to think. Nurse just says, eff it, and lugs the puck out.

    Changing the players or D cannot fix the coaching staff.

    You keep saying this but I don’t agree.

    I don’t believe the team is coached to do any of the following as the first option (a) the reset, (b) the pass between the D (c) off the glass and out or (d) rim around.

    I believe those are coached options if there first option, the quick and efficient transition of the puck, is not available.

    Unfortunately, the current personnel is unable to make the quick and efficient transition pass and default to the “safe options).

    Part of this is personnel (Russell and Davidson forced to their off sides where they are poor at making quick transitions) and part of it is circumstances (Klefbom being injured and now having zero confidence and zero ability to move the puck, Larsson and Sekera being banged out/out all year).

    I believe a healthy Larsson, Klefbom, Sekera plus a true 1st/2nd pairing RHD would be able to transition the puck much more effectively in the current system.

  166. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    If only Chiarelli had signed Jagr and Franson in the offseason, we’d be in playoff contention now.

    But seriously folks….

    Last season’s unexpected playoff berth was built on the backs of an unexpectedly solid defensive performance. That performance was led by these 3 players.

    Talbot
    Larsson
    Klefbom

    Each of them has been demonstrably worse this season.

    Sekera needs to be added to that list, 100%.

    He was just as important as the other two D, perhaps even morose as he carried Russell on his off-side in a 20 minute/night 1B pairing.

  167. fuzzy muppet says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    The coach spoke about Slep after the game last night and gave him the kudos he deserved.

    That’s 2 plus games out of 3 for Anton – a glimmer of grabbing the opportunity and running with it.

    I did like some shifts from Khaira and Puljijarvi – I would like to see Anton playing with them on Thursday.

    Yet with the net empty, its good ol’ scoreless in 20 lucic getting the ice time.

    Combine that with Poolparty getting 9 minutes in a lost season while 35 year old Cammelerri gets 20 and I’ve seen enough of McClellan. He needs to go.

  168. fuzzy muppet says:

    Pouzar: 9 min is an opportunity?
    I’d say more like swimming with a brick tied to your ankle #Letestu

    But that Cammalleri sure is dreamy!

    Fire TMc and his dog whistle to the fucking sun.

    I should have scrolled down a little more. I’m redudant

  169. jtblack says:

    Brantford Boy:
    jtblack,

    Much like the GM, I have tried to remain patient with the coach (and staff)… however, after watching Bieksa’s interview in the intermission, saying something to the effect he “hasn’t seen the spread out PP since 2006” I have to agree, maybe the coach’s are at fault here… almost below the belt stab like Lars Eller a few years back that “we run a junior hockey system, not an NHL one”…

    At some point its on the Coaches. If almost every Player has regressed whos fault is that? The #1 job of the coach is to put Players in a position to succeed. He seems unable to. Time to go. Lots of capable coaches that would salivate over having a chance to work with this Lineup.

  170. OriginalPouzar says:

    JimmyV1965: Actually I was asking under the CBA are we required to give Schleppy, the Drake,Benning and Davey a raise?

    Some would be required to be qualified at the same salary they made this year and some at 110% of the salary from this past year so, essentially, no.

  171. JimmyV1965 says:

    This is a quibble, but it really bugs me. Tmac is so measured in his responses all the time. One time I would like to see him go on an epic rant against the refs. The garbage that McDavid puts up with every game is ridiculous, from the Kesler knee on knee hit a couple games ago to the hacks, whacks and slashes last night. He doesn’t have to be Torts, but go to bat for your star publically.

  172. JimmyV1965 says:

    John Chambers: I’m okay with giving Talbot a long offseason to prepare and give him a chance at being a #1 again next year, but I also think investing in a quality backup is paramount.

    My target would be Darcy Kuemper who is playing out of his mind.

    Still young, (drafted in 2009), Kuemper may be at the point where he’s figured it all out professionally and is having a very successful run of games (.937 SP over 17 games).

    Would he turn down a 3-year contract at $2.5 – $3M? At worst you have an expensive backup, but a darn good one who will have just turned 28 this summer.

    I would love to get that. Just can’t see how it fits under the cap.

  173. fuzzy muppet says:

    jtblack: At some point its on the Coaches.If almost every Player has regressed whos fault is that?The #1 job of the coach is to put Players in a position to succeed.He seems unable to.Time to go. Lots of capable coaches that would salivate over having a chance to work with this Lineup.

    I think it’s time for a hard ass l

    OriginalPouzar:
    I see zero reason to trade Slepyshev.

    His value in a trade would be highly middling and I think he has more value as a potential 2nd/3rd line winger on the 2018/19 Edmonton Oilers.

    Sure, if Arizona will accept Slep and a 3rd for Domi then, go for it.

    Sleppy has more value to the Oilers than any other organzation. Since Chia cornered himself into this garbage roster, cheap wingers is what they need.

    Maybe play the shit out of him and JP to see if they can actually help next year? The management and coaching are so addled it boggles the mind.

  174. jtblack says:

    It cannot be any Fun for the Players or Coaches right now. Game 82 can’t arrive fast enough.

  175. jtblack says:

    Look at a similiar team heading into the Season: TORONTO

    Their GM signed a veteran winger. Brought in a Veteran RHD and a vereran Back up.

    Those 3 moves should not be overlooked. Thats almost exactly what Edm needed ……….

  176. OmJo says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Lucic has 0 goals in his last 19 games
    Cammalleri has 0 goals in the* last 19 games
    (*he didn’t play quite all of them)

    That takes us back to Christmas. Two other regular forwards, Strome & Letestu, also have 0 goals in that same window. That’s basically a third of your forwards without a single goal over basically a quarter of the season. About $11 MM cap hit combined.

    But hey, let’s showcase Mike Cammalleri for 19 minutes to showcase the fact he can no longer hit an open net from two feet away. That’ll have the potential buyers lining up.

    Even worse than I thought, damn…

    Ugh that contract is going to be biting this team in the ass for the next half decade.

  177. John Chambers says:

    JimmyV1965: I would love to get that. Just can’t see how it fits under the cap.

    $2.5M? Seems like a very good way to spend $2.5M.

    You can bury Montoya’s entire contract in the minors, and jettison one of Strome or Kassian. Voila.

  178. Bobcaygeon says:

    leadfarmer:
    Another day I’m sure it will turn into a Talbot bashing thread.For his sake I hope we Dubnyk him out of here and he will succeed elsewhere.We will bring another goalie in and complain about how hard it is to find competent goalering !!!!This defense is absolutely horrible.I think people are realizing now how important Larsson is for this team.

    And how do you give up a breakaway on the PK when you are playing all out defense.Just mind boggling

    He sure the heck isn’t Taylor Hall important and that’s the truth…

  179. ashley says:

    I’m with leadfarmer on this. Talbot looks solid back there. The problem is the same problem we had in the Dubnyk years. No structure or bad structure (poorly executed swarm).

    I seriously doubt the coaches don’t have some sort of structure they are trying to get the players to execute. You don’t get to this level of coaching by just throwing players over the boards and hoping for the best. The problem is either the structure itself (again unlikely) or execution. The defensive and PK structure falls apart when only one player fails to execute. Usually the guy looking bad on the play is not the one who missed their assignment/position.

    From experience, it only takes this happening once, or maybe twice before players lose confidence in what the coaches are trying to execute through the players. Then everyone starts missing their assignments/positioning and you have 5 individuals playing pond hockey with 5 bell chances on your keeper. This was Dubnyk. This is now Talbot. It’s not his fault.

    The coaches have to find a way to get things back on track. Get the players listening and have consequences for those who screw it up. Consequences for making an error restore faith in the structure and the players refocus and try to execute. This has to include everyone from the captain to the star defender. Reduced ice time, healthy scratch, a stern lecture. Whatever it is.

    Look at super rookie Barzal getting benched recently. Why? Because he thinks he’s bigger than the coach’s structure and he doesn’t have to execute. There is no success with that type of mindset. Not a single player can be thinking like that or the team is dead.

    Look around the league at some of these teams that are doing so well like Vegas. The media looks at box cars and chalks it up to various players rekindling their careers in a different city. That’s not it. Those teams are winning and the players are getting nice boxcars/fancies because they are executing their defensive structure properly. Not because a couple of “key pieces” have given them the edge. Everyone is on board. They could have been a typical expansion disaster, but the coaches put forth the strategy at the beginning of the season, and they have all bought in. They believe in the team, not individuals.

    If nothing else, this should help teach us, the fanbase, that hockey cannot be won by just adding superstar skilled players. We’ve seen them come and go, and now we have the very best without team success. There is a lot more to a hockey team than adding this guy or that guy or trading another.

    TMac will not survive this. I was thinking it was the coach that was the problem, but on consideration, I think the problem goes even higher.

    We’ve had good coaches. See post below.

  180. Bobcaygeon says:

    pboy:
    I’ve been in the “This is on Chiarelli and the roster he’s assembled” camp for most of the season but I’ve adjusted my thinking to see that Todd is a big part of the problem now too.

    Limited ice for #98 and #42 while #27 and #13 are spinning their wheels game after game after game…. that’s on the Head Coach.

    The historically bad PK and anemic PP are on the coaching staff.

    Pointing out #77’s mistake but not talking about #4 backing away leading to a goal or #27 having a month of Monday’s might be the last straw for me.

    Unbelievably, it looks like it’s time for another rebuild here. Nicholson, Chiarelli and McLellan have turned this team into the league joke again. Thank Hercules McDavid and Draisatl were signed to long term deals before this embarrassment of a season started.

    Do you think that
    A) the coach is trying to tell the GM something by playing Lucic and co.
    B) the GM is demanding that Lucic and co. Play out of the funk they’re in and just develop the kids by limiting there ice time in key areas.

    Personally, I think the coach doesn’t really trust the kids at this point but is also showing the GM something…
    The coach can change up the P.K and PP but the players being put out are clearly not good enough, so who does that fall on?

  181. Bag of Pucks says:

    OriginalPouzar: Sekera needs to be added to that list, 100%.

    He was just as important as the other two D, perhaps even morose as he carried Russell on his off-side in a 20 minute/night 1B pairing.

    Agreed. I’m just cutting him some slack because he’s coming back from a serious injury.

  182. Bobcaygeon says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Lucic has 0 goals in his last 19 games
    Cammalleri has 0 goals in the* last 19 games
    (*he didn’t play quite all of them)

    That takes us back to Christmas. Two other regular forwards, Strome & Letestu, also have 0 goals in that same window. That’s basically a third of your forwards without a single goal over basically a quarter of the season. About $11 MM cap hit combined.

    But hey, let’s showcase Mike Cammalleri for 19 minutes to showcase the fact he can no longer hit an open net from two feet away. That’ll have the potential buyers lining up.

    Ouch…..Taylor Hall 9 goals and 16 assists in the last 20 game point streak…..

    I really hated that trade but it could be forgiven if the GM brought in value for what went out…The GM really miss judge the NHL..

  183. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    I don’t know who the GM will be next fall but if it were me, I would give Quenneville everything he asks for, especially if what he asks for is a decent view of Lowe and McTavish catching a bus.

    Then I would acknowledge that Lucic makes for a terrible 3rd line contract, but a worse 2nd line player.

    Then I bite the bullet and move RNH to wing. McD – Puljujarvi / Draisatl – RNH as top two pairings. Can Kailer play with Drai and RNH? I think so.

    Then I look at my third line with Lucic, soften his expense by putting value with him that also happens to have size and can cycle low and wear down the softs into little nubs of their former selves: Jujar and Anton. Tell Looch to get in front of the net. For every terrible pass, swap him onto the fourth line until he cuts that shit out. If not, well that’s a horrible contract for 3 minutes per game, but we all make sacrifices.

    The fourth line comes with only two conditions: Fast and cheap. They hardly play, except when they need to kill penalties, which they have become extremely good at, because I got Quenneville, whose head hasn’t seen the inside of his own, or any ass, his entire life. I don’t care if those players are currently in the Oilers system or not. If one is Kass, all the better. Just make the money work.

    Turn what is possible into picks, and then find a sniper to play with McD and Puljujarvi. Personally I would not mind seeing Ho-Sang cause I think we could afford him, and I love players that Don Cherry hates.

    I don’t know what the hell you do on D but I’ll leave that to Quenneville.

    Talbot will get better when you do everything I just laid out.

  184. ashley says:

    One of the problems in the Taylor Hall era was the lack of structure he played with. That was always his style, so not his fault at all. He needed guidance and a firm hand to get him playing with the rest of the team. From what I understand, there were three decent coaches (Quinn, Renney, Eakins) who all had their structure fail because Hall was doing his own thing out there. That’s not unusual for a young superstar player, but the problem was that the coaches had no back up to discipline him with ice time, healthy scratch, or otherwise to get him in line. The structure won’t work of one guy is free wheeling on his own. The Boys on the Bus say to leave Taylor alone and so the saga goes on indefinitely with the coach’s hands tied.

    You could see the frustrations boiling over between Hall and Eakins on the bench with the water bottle incident. Eakins was angry, stuck between a rock and a hard place, and takes out his anger with management on the golden boy he’s not allowed to discipline for not playing the structure.

    So the party line became, unfairly, that Taylor Hall was not a good teammate or a locker room problem. This is a Boys on the Bus problem.

    Before he died, someone on here overheard Quinn talking to some people in the restaurant (shortly after he was fired) about the Oilers, and Quinn said “That organization’s problems go all the way to the top”.

    A coach must be given free reign to discipline and give out ice time as he sees fit. Sometimes as punishment, sometimes as reward. MacTavish was the last that had that, and he was our last truly successful coach. Look what he did with such a marginal roster.

  185. JimmyV1965 says:

    “Personally I would be looking at a guy like Ryan Strome. You have a desperate GM who is floundering around with the best player in the sport. His team can’t even win games when Connor McDavid and Leon Draisaitl are combining for 12 goals in four games. It’s pathetic. Peter Chiarelli is an easy mark. Perhaps the easiest mark of the cap era (there is no perhaps about it). ”

    This is a comment from a Penguins blogger, nattering about potential deadline trades. My concern with Chia is that GMs will be difficult to deal with simply because they know he will bend.

  186. ashley says:

    Since Lowe , MacT, Buchberger, and Gretzky aren’t going anywhere, I suspect it will take a BOTB head coach to overcome this problem. One of their own will be left alone to coach properly.

    Rather than roster changes, this is perhaps what we should be hoping for to salvage the amazing talent on this roster.

  187. JD_Wry says:

    Chelios is a Dinosaur: Then I bite the bullet and move RNH to wing.

    So you’re going to give coach Q complete control, other than putting together lines?

  188. JimmyV1965 says:

    The injury to Schneider says a lot about the importance of goaltending. The Devils are 3-6 since he got hurt. We can talk all we want about structure, but you live and die with your goalie.

  189. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    JD_Wry,

    You’ve located a bug.

  190. Bobcaygeon says:

    I wonder if Saad could be gotten out of Chicago and Chicago retaining half his salary for Jesse?

    I make that trade..

  191. godot10 says:

    John Chambers: I’m okay with giving Talbot a long offseason to prepare and give him a chance at being a #1 again next year, but I also think investing in a quality backup is paramount.

    My target would be Darcy Kuemper who is playing out of his mind.

    Still young, (drafted in 2009), Kuemper may be at the point where he’s figured it all out professionally and is having a very successful run of games (.937 SP over 17 games).

    Would he turn down a 3-year contract at $2.5 – $3M? At worst you have an expensive backup, but a darn good one who will have just turned 28 this summer.

    Why not just hire the LA goalie whisperer….Bill Ranford?

  192. godot10 says:

    Munny:
    This is probably the wrong time to mention that the Oiler PK is Number One in the entire NHL on the road.

    (as of this past weekend)

    The colour of the coin when you flip it doesn’t matter.

  193. Material pocession says:

    ashley:
    Since Lowe , MacT, Buchberger, and Gretzky aren’t going anywhere, I suspect it will take a BOTB head coach to overcome this problem.One of their own will be left alone to coach properly.

    Have you had a look at who is standing on the Islanders bench during their games?

  194. Material pocession says:

    JimmyV1965:
    The injury to Schneider says a lot about the importance of goaltending. The Devils are 3-6 since he got hurt. We can talk all we want about structure, but you live and die with your goalie.

    Yes! And to expand on that, you live and die with your goalie and special teams.

  195. Sighduck says:

    JimmyV1965,

    Then Katz has to nix all deals until an hour before the deadline. I don’t understand the willingness of GMs to blow their load so early, especially at the deadline. Strome and Letestu are 2 of the best centre options available at the deadline. They have value especially as teams get more desperate to push themselves over the top before the deadline.

    Tell everyone Strome is worth a second and no less, GMs might laugh at the idea but he will become more attractive at that price when he is the last option to upgrade at centre with 10 minutes left before the deadline!

  196. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    OilClog,

    So the coach calling out Klef. Let’s discuss the full circumstances here.

    1) The game was tied, the Oilers just gave up a late period penalty and needed to kill it off. They had a chance to win this game.

    2) based on the coaches verbal the team went over the specific play that Yandle ran during the intermission and noted that the Panthers love to use that play.

    3) Coach puts Oscar out there because he trusts him in a PK role in a tied game while the team is on a 3 game losing streak where they could have won all three save for defensive and PK collapses.

    Result: Oscar goes out, drastically overcommits on the play that according to the coach they just discussed and the team is down a goal chasing, 18 seconds into the frame.

    The organization committed $4+ million and 7 years to Oscar despite his injury problems in every single year except last year. Huge gamble by MacT I think we can agree? Oscar played great last year and has taken a step back this year (for a variety of reasons known and unknown). The coach gives him the responsibility to kill that penalty and he blows the coverage.

    This analysis/commentary will almost surely be taken as crapping on a player but that’s not it. You can go back and check out my preseason guesses, I thought Klef had/has top pairing potential, it appears that I drastically overestimated him myself. The coach proved he had faith in Oscar by putting him out there to kill that penalty (according to Godot defensive play is what oscar is best at), they addressed what was likely to happen and with all of that in mind. Klef got burned and burned pretty badly.

    There are many times today where folks on this blog are upset at the coaches system. That’s fair.

    But in this case we have an example where the coaches outlined almost to a t exactly what would happen, the player failed to execute and today the coach is still at fault.

    This is a no win situation for the coach and as fans we can say whatever we like and pontificate on whatever we like.

    But it sure seems lik a damned if you do damned if you don’t situation.

    I wish them all well in their next endeavours.

    Maybe Quenville will get through to the Oilers, maybe he’ll be able to keep the room. But I wouldn’t bet on it. Just as Oiler fans run players out of town over the last decades something continues to run coaches out of town.

  197. godot10 says:

    fuzzy muppet: I think it’s time for a hard ass l

    McLellan was/is a hard ass! Eakins was a hard ass!

    It was probably not a good idea to hire a coach whose butt LA and Anaheim knew how to whip already.

  198. JD_Wry says:

    godot10: Why not just hire the LA goalie whisperer….Bill Ranford?

    Isn’t he currently employed though?

    Whatever happens to the goalering situation, I hope they trade Talbot away for a 4th line energy guy, and then fire the goaler coach. Because… y’know.

  199. Material pocession says:

    Bag of Pucks: Agreed. I’m just cutting him some slack because he’s coming back from a serious injury.

    This is the biggest unknown heading into next season. Does he rebound to previous form or is he another Ryan Whitney? If he sucks next year, then is contract is not movable. Might be an idea to see if they can move him in the offseason.

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