G56 2017-18: Oilers at Golden Knights

Edmonton arrives in Vegas with a four game losing streak and lots of reasons to give up. Fans should be looking for youth to prevail, at least in terms of time on ice. On Pulju, on Slepy, on Caggiila, on Khaira, this is your chance to establish yourselves as NHL players. That’s a big damned deal and there’s no guarantees for the fall. Crash the gate doing 98! On the other hand, the general manager and coach badly need to see this team to win some hockey games.

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VIVA LAS VEGAS, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • February 2016: 3-3-0, goal differential 0 (6 points)
  • February 2017: 3-3-0, goal differential -1 (6 points)
  • February 2018: 1-4-1, goal differential -5 (3 points)
  • February 13, 2016: Winnipeg 2, Edmonton 1 (Source)
  • February 18, 2017: Edmonton 3, Chicago 1 (Source)

The Oilers started the month well before stepping into the elevator shaft. As inconsistent as this team has been, Edmonton is unpredictable both ways. We could see a win tonight and a small run in the “W” column, it’s happened previously in this season.

AFTER 55, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers 15-16: 21-29-5, goal differential -33 (47 points)
  • Oilers 16-17: 29-18-8, goal differential +16 (66 points)
  • Oilers 17-18: 23-28-4, goal differential -28 (50 points)
  • February 11, 2016: Edmonton 5, Toronto 2 (Source)
  • February 11, 2017: Chicago 5, Edmonton 1 (Source)

If the 2015-16 team catches this year’s model, I think that’s a very bad sign for Peter Chiarelli and Todd McLellan. Not living up to last season’s team is one thing, but the 15-16 group that posted 70 points? I don’t believe they survive.

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM FEBRUARY

  • At home to: Colorado, Tampa Bay (Expected 0-1-1) (Actual 1-0-1)
  • On the road to: Los AngelesAnaheimSan Jose (Expected 1-1-1) (Actual 0-3-0)
  • At home to: Florida (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • On the road to: Vegas, Arizona, Colorado (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Boston, Colorado (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Los Angeles, Anaheim, San Jose (Expected 0-2-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 5-6-3, 13 points in 14 games
  • Current results: 1-4-1, three points in six games

The Oilers have played well against Vegas and the Arizona game on Saturday afternoon holds some promise. After that, the month of February appears daunting.

BOB NICHOLSON!

  • “You always want to add to your core. I still really believe in Cam Talbot, and he’ll be the first person to say he hasn’t had a good year, so it starts with your goaltending. We’ve had a lot of injuries on the back end, especially in our top three defencemen. If we could add another top defenceman, that would be real good. We have two keys up front; Leon and Connor are both excellent players. People are down on Leon, but when you start to look at his stats, 5-on-5 he’s in the top seven or eight in the league; he just hasn’t been as productive on the power play. We’ve got to make sure we continue to support around that group, for sure. I really do believe we’re a lot closer than what we’ve shown this year.” Source

The actual quote is far less provocative than the stories that have been written because of it, suspect the Oilers are going to get hammered with every media avail from management until the fall. There’s an expectation of something after the season, if that doesn’t come one wonders about fan reaction. Fire the coach? Fire the GM? Assistant coaches? Are you sure that’s enough? I’ll say this: If this Oilers organization stays the course, the general manager makes another big trade and the club can’t make the playoffs in 2018-19, this will get very ugly. I don’t know how the Oilers go through a season like this one and then tell the fans they are going to run the same group again next year. That’s going to take a helluva sell.

Nicholson doesn’t say regression in this statement but there’s likely to be plenty (special teams, goaltending) in 2018-19. I’d still like to see a more substantial backup added and do agree about RHD. Tyson Barrie is an interesting target, I’m not onboard with a Klefbom or Nuge pricetag but suspect that’s exactly what the ask will be from the Avs.

Yamamoto’s splits are now borderline insane, and he’s getting closer to the DeBrincat (2.00 points per game in final junior season). His push in the season’s second half is amazing.

  • Yamamoto 2016-17: 65GP, 42-57-99 (1.52 points-per-game)
  • Yamamoto 2017-18: 27GP, 14-32-46 (1.70 points-per-game)
  • Yamamoto first 10 games: 1-8-9
  • Yamamoto second 10 games: 7-11-18
  • Yamamoto last seven games: 6-13-19

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

One of my favorite days of the week and the guest list shines like a diamond. At 10 this morning, TSN1260, scheduled to appear:

  • Bruce McCurdy, Cult of Hockey at the Edmonton Journal. The viewers’ guide to the rest of this Oilers season.
  • Rob Vollman, NHL.com and ESPN. Is there a match for Milan Lucic ala Phaneuf-Gaborik?
  • Frank Seravalli, TSN. Trade deadline approacheth.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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  1. StixMalone says:

    Can’t trade Maroon now

  2. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Lucic can’t score, can’t backcheck, can’t take out his man, but he is a great leader on and off the ice and he really wants to score so our media will never get on his case. Leading the team to the same place number as his jersey.

    He’s had a shocking past 20 games. Awful.

  3. Lowetide says:

    Maroon secures his 4×4.

  4. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Maroon’s knee, Are you kidding me? What a freakin sad sack team. Sign him 5×8, let’s do this thing Pete!

  5. Dicky94 says:

    Hockey gods hate us.

  6. StixMalone says:

    Dicky94:
    Hockey gods hate us.

    No they just deserted us….

  7. OriginalPouzar says:

    Slepy freed to to the first line with Maroon out.

  8. Scungilli Slushy says:

    I don’t think I can watch another season of Drai Marooon Lucic and Strome. I hate lumbering hockey, CMDs teanm should not be a bunch of 6 year out of date grinders.

    While they bench Slepy who actually does things, although he needs to bring a lot more jump he looks slack at times, that’s not how you do it Anton.

    **Drai is of course skilled, but I can only take one half pace player, two at the most.

  9. digger50 says:

    Who is that 77?

    Playing pretty good tonight

    Hope I didn’t jinx him.

  10. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Seriously?? Maroon hurt? This season is so Murphy’s law to the max…
    Now we lose him for nothing, or sign him to chia level premium deal… this team is hexed…

  11. Dicky94 says:

    Now bench him!!

  12. LadiesloveSmid says:

    good Gord is this hockey hard to watch

    looks like the drive of the march 2015 oilers

  13. OriginalPouzar says:

    Maroon is back out – thank goodness – give me my futures…..

  14. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Milan Lucic since Christmas:

    19GP plus tonight
    0G 4A -10

    What, but he protects McDavid, you say?

    He has 12 PIMs in that span. All minors.

    Yay $6M for 5 more years after this one.

  15. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Crazy Pedestrian:
    Seriously?? Maroon hurt? This season is so Murphy’s law to the max…
    Niw we lose him for nothing, or sign him to chia level premium deal… this team is hexed…

    He’ll now get a 6th rounder because injury worry instead of a first

  16. Gerta Rauss says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    Milan Lucic since Christmas:

    19GP plus tonight
    0G 4A -10

    Man that’s grim

    And he appears to have gotten even worse taking/making a pass

    Grim

  17. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    digger50:
    Who is that 77?

    Playing pretty good tonight

    Hope I didn’t jinx him.

    Why that’s Brad Hunt, remember him? He of the Jordan Oesterle D cluster.

  18. Professor Q says:

    Settle down, everyone. Settle down.

    Calm yourselves and reach into your inner peace.

  19. Pescador says:

    Gerta Rauss,

    His confidence is gone too,
    So ya

  20. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Maroon is back out – thank goodness – give me my futures…..

    Patty is not going to let something as minor as an ACL tear and Achilles strain ruin his opportunity to escape this shit show early.

  21. Lowetide says:

    After 1

    1-0 Vegas
    10-9 Vegas shots
    18-17 Oilers corsi for 5×5

  22. JimmyV1965 says:

    StixMalone:
    Can’t trade Maroon now

    Being an Oilers fan is painful sometimes.

  23. GMB3 says:

    Can’t watch tonight, what were the lines to start the game?

  24. frjohnk says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    Milan Lucic since Christmas:

    19GP plus tonight
    0G 4A -10

    What, but he protects McDavid, you say?

    He has 12 PIMs in that span. All minors.

    Yay $6M for 5 more years after this one.

    Bruce McCurdy
    @BruceMcCurdy
    Draisaitl gets TWO wingers who haven’t scored since before Christmas. And that’s the second line.
    9:10 PM · Feb 15, 2018

  25. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    frjohnk,

    TMac Blender might be worse than MacTBlender

  26. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ron Lowe looks exactly the same as he did 20 years ago. Maybe a bit “redder”.

  27. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    frjohnk: Bruce McCurdy
    @BruceMcCurdy
    Draisaitl gets TWO wingers who haven’t scored since before Christmas. And that’s the second line.
    9:10 PM · Feb 15, 2018

    TMac coaching for his job right now.

    Or maybe this is one of those messages he is sending to the GM again.

  28. OriginalPouzar says:

    GMB3:
    Can’t watch tonight, what were the lines to start the game?

    Same as last game.

  29. Pescador says:

    Professor Q:
    Settle down, everyone. Settle down.

    Calm yourselves and reach your peace.

    That is a fine suggestion,
    Mine’s stuffed with Saskatoon berries and wrapped in a flaky crust

  30. Professor Q says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Ron Lowe looks exactly the same as he did 20 years ago.Maybe a bit “redder”.

    Maybe he hung out with Rob too much?

  31. Pescador says:

    OriginalPouzar: Same as last game.

    1-0 for the other team

  32. BONE207 says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    frjohnk,

    TMac Blender might be worse than MacTBlender

    All these chinese knock offs should be blocked at the borders

  33. Mr. D. says:

    Lowetide:
    After 1
    Only 1st one counts…rest means little.

    1-0 Vegas
    10-9 Vegas shots
    18-17 Oilers corsi for 5×5

  34. OriginalPouzar says:

    That was a heck of a tip.

  35. BONE207 says:

    Hmmm…when was the last time the Oilers were down 2-0.?

  36. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    That was a heck of a tip.

    Yup, but Maroon did not take his man, this after Nurse somehow whiffed on the puck on a clearing attempt. This team is cursed.

  37. Gerta Rauss says:

    BONE207:
    Hmmm…when was the last time the Oilers were down 2-0.?

    It was Only Yesterday

  38. frjohnk says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    That was a heck of a tip.

    Yup. Sometimes we are quick to say “Oiler player X screwed up” but in plays like this, gotta give credit for the Vegas tip.

  39. leadfarmer says:

    The Edmonton oilers where no sticks are tied up in the slot ever.

    I wonder what the tipped in goals against to for is for this team. Has to be at least 5 to 1

  40. BONE207 says:

    Gerta Rauss: It was Only Yesterday

    That’s why I shouldn’t drink on school nights. Pouzar is doing it right.

  41. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Oilers love to pass from the middle of the ice to the wings–from higher percentage to lower percentage, almost without fail. Coaching. It’s a thing.

  42. jtblack says:

    Looks like the Boyz are gonna mail this one in 🙁

  43. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    frjohnk: Yup. Sometimes we are quick to say “Oiler player X screwed up” but in plays like this, gotta give credit for the Vegas tip.

    Still, Maroon was right next to Marchessault, then inexplicably drifted out into the slot watching the puck and left his man open to make the tip uncontested. Yes, great tip, but FFS at least make it more difficult by taking your man.

  44. frjohnk says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): Still, Maroon was right next to Marchessault, then inexplicably drifted out into the slot watching the puck and left his man open to make the tip uncontested. Yes, great tip, but FFS at least make it more difficult by taking your man.

    Ok.

    Fine.

    Maroon screwed up.

    Better?

    😜

  45. OriginalPouzar says:

    Slepy is about the only forward doing anything positive with the puck.

  46. Gerta Rauss says:

    how the frack did that go in…?

  47. StixMalone says:

    Pull him niw

  48. OriginalPouzar says:

    No save Cam?

  49. Surrey Oiler says:

    Talbot wake the f*** UP !

  50. OriginalPouzar says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Game Night – Another story to be told.

    Oilers are one of only a couple of teams to beat the Knights twice this year and they have the chance to make it three times tonight.

    I look for a bounce-back game from Tablot – one of the storylines I’m looking at over the last few months is to see if Talbot can get part of his game back – gain some confidence down the stretch.

    Here is looking for Slep to get a push up the lineup.

    Here is hoping that our defence can somehow learn how to make a quick and efficient transition pass up the ice – assuming no Larsson and both Russell and Davidson on their off-sides, I don’t see it happening.

    Go Oilers!

    So far the story to be told is that the team will not play any better and Talbot will not have a bounce back game.

  51. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    StixMalone:
    Pull him niw

    Naw, keep him in. Coach will see this as a teaching moment.

  52. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    OriginalPouzar: So far the story to be told is that the team will not play any better and Talbot will not have a bounce back game.

    Not sure what we are seeing is worthy of a story but sure, that sounds good.

  53. Professor Q says:

    Why does Todd have a Goalie-Pull phobia?

  54. StixMalone says:

    Well at least I have a team Canada jersey I can wear for a couple of weeks to give me hope….

  55. BONE207 says:

    Decidedly Skeptical Fan: Naw, keep him in.Coach will see this as a teaching moment.

    There’s going to be a lot learning in the next couple of months. For me it will be to stay away from SN.

  56. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    Professor Q:
    Why does Todd have a Goalie-Pull phobia?

    To keep his other phobias company?

  57. Pescador says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Slepy is about the only forward doing anything positive with the puck.

    Time to send out a new & improved email

  58. BONE207 says:

    I haven’t been 100% focused but this is the first time I’ve seen Connor.

  59. Professor Q says:

    BONE207:
    I haven’t been 100% focused but this is the first time I’ve seen Connor.

    As an aside, I’ve never seen Conair.

  60. OriginalPouzar says:

    That was NOT a highly entertaining period……

  61. BONE207 says:

    BONE207:
    I haven’t been 100% focused but this is the first time I’ve seen Connor.

    And nothing happened!!!

  62. BONE207 says:

    Professor Q: As an aside, I’ve never seen Conair.

    It’s on Movietime right now. A shame what they do to the Vette

  63. edoil1 says:

    All of Katz horses, and all of Katz men, could not put Humpty Dumpty Oilers together again.

  64. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    OP has been a little quite so far so let me try this out.

    On a positive note, Cammalleri is a perfect 2-0 on the dot tonight.

    I dunno, I think OP is better at this than I am.

  65. Dicky94 says:

    Oilers have given up. Season can’t end soon enough for these guys. Not a good sign going into next year.

  66. BONE207 says:

    Decidedly Skeptical Fan:
    OP has been a little quite so far so let me try this out.

    On a positive note, Cammalleri is a perfect 2-0 on the dot tonight.

    I dunno, I think OP is better at this than I am.

    You’re such a sceptic

  67. DBO says:

    Skinner. McDavid. Yamamoto
    Maroon. Draisatl. Puljujarvi
    Lucic. Strome. Slepeshev
    Cagguila. Khaira. Kassian

    Nurse. Larsson
    Sekera. Faulk
    Russell. Benning

    Nuge and Klefbom for Skinner and Faulk
    Re-sign Maroon at $3.5 mill for 3 years. Nurse for $4.75 . Benning for $2.0 mill. Fits under the cap if only barely.
    And after season Russell can be traded to a list of team’s and exposed for expansion draft for Seattle. Skinner is a UFA so see how that goes, sign or let walk.

  68. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    BONE207: It’s on Movietime right now. A shame what they do to the Vette

    Absolutely love that movie. Casting was terrific.

  69. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    BONE207: You’re such a sceptic

    Can’t help it . Sugar rush from overdosing on M&Ms.

  70. who says:

    DBO:
    Skinner. McDavid.Yamamoto
    Maroon. Draisatl.Puljujarvi
    Lucic. Strome. Slepeshev
    Cagguila. Khaira. Kassian

    Nurse. Larsson
    Sekera. Faulk
    Russell. Benning

    Nuge and Klefbom for Skinner and Faulk
    Re-sign Maroon at $3.5 mill for 3 years. Nurse for $4.75 . Benning for $2.0 mill. Fits under the cap if only barely.And after season Russell can be traded to a list of team’s and exposed for expansion draft for Seattle. Skinner is a UFA so see how that goes, sign or let walk.

    Absolutely no to resigning Maroon. I can’t watch him anymore. Take the second round pick and move on.

  71. BONE207 says:

    Decidedly Skeptical Fan: Absolutely love that movie.Casting was terrific.

    Put down the bunny

  72. Munny says:

    No heart.

    –Two Georges

  73. Pescador says:

    Decidedly Skeptical Fan: Absolutely love that movie.Casting was terrific.

    Beats the hell outta Vegas Shame

  74. Dino says:

    Tank mode in full effect

  75. StixMalone says:

    Lol

  76. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    BONE207: Put down the bunny

    Put the bunny, back in the box …
    Why couldn’t you put the bunny back in the box?

    Define irony: a bunch of idiots dancing around on a plane to a song made famous by a band that died in a plane crash

    Oh .. nothing makes me sadder than the agent lost his bladder in the.. aaiirrplane

    Cy-onara!

    Cy-onara

  77. StixMalone says:

    It won’t go our way let’s just finish the game

  78. StixMalone says:

    Not that it matters either

  79. Gerta Rauss says:

    What a mess

  80. SVR says:

    Maroon benched. Trade?

  81. SVR says:

    Never mind, 4th line

  82. StixMalone says:

    Strome can’t even kick in a goal

  83. OilClog says:

    Waiting to fire everyone is ridiculous start next season’s work now.

    Expansion team is the Edmonton Oilers, this is ugly ugly hockey, Eakins would be proud.

  84. StixMalone says:

    This team needs to go to the Bunny Ranch after the game….

  85. StixMalone says:

    Edmonton Oilers; the only CHL team playing in the NHL

  86. hags9k says:

    This whole season has slid slowly through Talbot’s 5-hole.

  87. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Auvitu has had a nice game. Slepy as well. Toss up Klefbom and Nurse for my Oilers 3 stars.

  88. Johnny skid says:

    StixMalone:
    This team needs to go to the Bunny Ranch after the game….

    they would get shut out there too.

  89. frjohnk says:

    Oiler jersey on the ice

  90. HT Joe says:

    You think the team is bad, wait until the Oilers shed salary this off-season to account for McDavid’s new contract next year. I don’t imagine both RNH and Klefbom will still be Oilers this fall, and Maroon will likely be gone too (without a suitable replacement in place).

  91. StixMalone says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    Auvitu has had a nice game. Slepy as well. Toss up Klefbom and Nurse for my Oilers 3 stars.

    My votes for the equipment manager

  92. HT Joe says:

    frjohnk:
    Oiler jersey on the ice

    Is this the first time this happened at Roger’s place?

    Also, is this the first time this has happened since McDavid was drafted?

  93. frjohnk says:

    HT Joe: Is this the first time this happened at Roger’s place?

    Also, is this the first time this has happened since McDavid was drafted?

    This game is in Vegas.

    Most likely a hammered Oiler fan.

  94. Munny says:

    Leon from his “spot”

  95. StixMalone says:

    Can’t get in trouble throwing an opponents jersey on ice….

  96. HT Joe says:

    frjohnk: This game is in Vegas.

    Most likely a hammered Oiler fan.

    Sorry, brain cramp! Thanks

  97. Gerta Rauss says:

    Drai with the side door slapper to get 1 on the board

  98. StixMalone says:

    Jujube killed him

  99. hags9k says:

    Nice scrap.

  100. Munny says:

    Maybe a little heart after all

  101. frjohnk says:

    Nice pass by Klefbom to Drai.

    Khaira throwing bombs

  102. OilClog says:

    Vegas watching juju wondering how such a sad sack organization were able to keep him hidden from their scouts.

  103. russ99 says:

    “Killer” Khaira.

  104. JimmyV1965 says:

    Leon has been incredibly weak in the dzone tonight. His give a shit meter has been about 2. Didnt deserve the goal.

  105. StixMalone says:

    Start double shifting the stick boy

  106. StixMalone says:

    OilClog:
    Vegas watching juju wondering how such a sad sack organization were able to keep him hidden from their scouts.

    Easy. TMac press boxed him

  107. JimmyV1965 says:

    On what fuckin planet is that not a penalty? Right in the numbers.

  108. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    Drai with the side door slapper to get 1 on the board

    Great…now he will go back to that low percentage shot over and over again cause it worked once out of 25 times.

  109. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Connor not looking well. Bug or big party?

  110. BONE207 says:

    In the meantime…figure skating was exciting

  111. Munny says:

    The final horn comes as a mercy.

  112. Gerta Rauss says:

    Well that’s 5 losses in a row and a trip through Death Valley on Saturday

    What a mess

  113. StixMalone says:

    Swamp people are hurting this year. Price of gators has really dropped. But they seem happy!

  114. StixMalone says:

    Vegas figured out how to beat the Oilers. Jinx lifted. They will now go on to own the Oilers for 5 years…

  115. geowal says:

    BONE207:
    In the meantime…figure skating was exciting

    Kurt Browning’s commentary…man. (Didn’t have sportsnet access, lucky thing)

  116. BONE207 says:

    geowal: Kurt Browning’s commentary…man. (Didn’t have sportsnet access, lucky thing)

    He was an irritant. Muted though I can tolerate it.

  117. J-Bo says:

    I’ve been thinking about Woodguy’s assertion that he would trade Nuge for Faulk. How do we feel about this lineup next year?

    Maroon-McD-Yamamoto
    Lucic-Drai-Pulju
    Caggs-Strome-Slepy
    ???-Khaira-Kassian
    Pakarinen

    Klefbom – Faulk
    Nurse – Larsson
    Sekera – Benning
    Russell – Davidson

  118. J-Bo says:

    For me…The defense feels exciting in that lineup. The right wing needs another veteran in top 9. Not a ton of change but would seem pretty balanced if they picked up one more top 9 winger with more experience.

  119. J-Bo says:

    This feels better for the forwards but isn’t possible…

    Hoffman-McD-Pulju
    Maroon -Drai-Neal
    Caggs-Strome- Yamamoto
    Slepy-Khaira-Kassian

    With a Nuge for Faulk trade, a Lucic trade, and a Russel trade/buyout, the cap would work. However, as I said, not possible. But dare to dream…

  120. JimmyV1965 says:

    J-Bo:
    I’ve been thinking about Woodguy’s assertion that he would trade Nuge for Faulk. How do we feel about this lineup next year?

    Maroon-McD-Yamamoto
    Lucic-Drai-Pulju
    Caggs-Strome-Slepy
    ???-Khaira-Kassian
    Pakarinen

    Klefbom – Faulk
    Nurse – Larsson
    Sekera – Benning
    Russell – Davidson

    Why would we sign Maroon? This is exactly the type of expensive UFA signing that has killed this franchise over the years. Also, if we get Faulk in a trade, there’s zero reason to keep Benning. We can have two lefties on the third pair.

  121. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    Milan Lucic since Christmas:

    19GP plus tonight
    0G 4A -10

    What, but he protects McDavid, you say?

    He has 12 PIMs in that span. All minors.

    Yay $6M for 5 more years after this one.

    Like everyone else he knew it was over before Christmas.

    I’m kidding. Maybe.

  122. deardylan says:

    Please hockey gods remember how much a rollercoaster its been this year. Give us a little bit more luck next year and send us 3-4 new draft picks that will change our fortunes over the next 5 years.

    Congrats to Vegas for finally finding a way to beat us.

    Lets hope now our coach will rest our top stars, allow for injuries to fully heal and we can tap into their brains how we can improve the team in the future and let the young guys play for fun and bring up a few from AHL to bring their enthusiasm to the NHL.

    For me the GM and Coach get another one year at the helm since they in some way helped us get into playoffs (and win a playoff series) last year which no coach/GM did for about a decade.

  123. deardylan says:

    Lately when I hit the Tankathon Draft lottery button no matter how Oilers lose we keep winding up with #10 on Lowetide’s List…

    (10) LD Quinn Hughes, Michigan (NCAA). Fast as lightning defender, smooth as silk.

  124. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Réal Goudenyéu: Like everyone else he knew it was over before Christmas.

    I’m kidding. Maybe.

    MIlan Lucic has taken 13 penalties and drawn 3.

    He has a team-leading 48 giveaways against just 18 takeaways.

    This is the type of player who is supposed to be contributing even when he isn’t scoring because he does other things. What other things is he doing well?

    At the Christmas break the Oilers had crawled back to fake .500. There was a glimmer of hope. Then in this awful 20 game stretch since, that has killed off the season once and for all he has gone 0G 4A -10/

    You don’t even have to look up Hall’s stats during his 16-game, ongoing point streak to paint Lucic in a bad light. He has done that all by himself.

    I’ve held my tongue on criticizing Lucic the player for a long time. (I have panned the contract, but that’s Chia’s fault, not the player’s.)

    But this man is getting paid $42m over 7 years to bring 20-30-50 with some leadership, fire, gritensity and be a possession monster. He’s negative Corsi relative on the year now, hasn’t brought his gritensity in quite some time and is a negative factor on the ice almost every game for a quarter of the season.

    There are slumps and there are canyons. The Oilers better hope this is just a slump because there are FIVE more years after this one. We all knew the back end of the contract would be really painful before the ink even dried. The 7th year was shocking to see. But at least the first four years or so were going to be productive, right?

  125. OriginalPouzar says:

    JimmyV1965:
    Leon has been incredibly weak in the dzone tonight. His give a shit meter has been about 2. Didnt deserve the goal.

    That’s interesting, I thought Leon was one of the very few Oilers engaged through the first two periods.

  126. Mr. D. says:

    No finish, no goaltending, no defensive toughness…equal no future.

  127. GMB3 says:

    Wow Laraque took a massive dump on Lucic.

    Back when Laraque played in Edmonton, we had basically no high end skill, yet the team was competitive. I remember Lowe and MacT together were able to cobble a lineup that could compete despite no salary cap and limited spending money.

    Lowes problems as GM seemed to come with the increased budget. Give a poor man more money than he’s used too and he doesn’t know what to spend it on. I believe this is actually a phenomenon that applies to real life as well. I remember reading an article summarizing some research on the subject.

    Anyways, it feels pretty disgusting that we are once again praying for the lottery balls, lord knows we don’t deserve Dahlin.

    10 million in Lucic and Russell locked in. Make that 14 mill when Maroon gets 4X4 with an NMC.

    I need a new hobby.

  128. GMB3 says:

    My god I hate Cassandra but at this point he looks pretty close to spot on with his take on Lumbering Lucic.

    Every time I see him receive a pass standing still in the neutral zone and he tries to skate with it I hear “Fee Fi Fo Fum” reverberating in my head. He’s not even grinding any bones out there anymore so the comparison doesn’t even fit.

  129. OriginalPouzar says:

    That was not a good effort by the Edmonton Oilers last night.

    I’d like to say this recent play is a function of not having Larsson and Nuge in the lineup but, although that is a factor, the piss poor effort is unacceptable.

  130. OriginalPouzar says:

    It would be a massive mistake to commit any mediumm to long term cap to a “veteran” winger, whether it be Maroon, Grabner, Max P., Hoffman or otherwise.

    The best course of action, in my opinion, for the medium to long term success of this team is to find a way to dispose of one of the $4M plus contracts on the left D side that isn’t Klefbom (or Nurse) and use that cap space to acquire a legit 1st or 2nd pairing RD that can move the puck.

    Hopefully find a ONE YEAR stop gap winger to play in the top 6 to bridge the gap until there is some prospect graduation.

    Hopefully there is some way to ensure that disposed of LHD contract is Kris Russell as I’d much rather keep Sekera (who is materially better than Russell in all aspects of the game) – it may have to be a buyout.

    It may be a painful year next year with more middling wingers in the top 6 (until our prospects graduate) but it will be worth it for the longer term success of the team.

    Management: Do not commit cap with term to the top 6 – we cannot afford that unless the Lucic contract is off the books. We have to bet on prospects providing extreme value on their ELCs

  131. Jethro Tull says:

    Lowetide: Fascinating stuff for sure. I cite him at the end of the article, but thanks to Darcy McLeod for his help in sussing out the numbers. Betting on Talbot to recover is the play here imo.

    Still want to take that bet? I do too, but it may not be in Edmonton.

  132. Bobcaygeon says:

    I’m not going to beat a dead horse, I’ve said my piece about Lucic for two seasons now…..The fact that the Oiler’s traded Hall on the chance Chairelli was going to sigh Lucic only makes matters worse..

    That being said, If the Edmonton Oilers want to compete for a Stanley Cup then there is zero chance this man can be on the team, Chairelli can right a lot of wrongs by admitting he screwed up and trade Lucic..

    If Chairelli keeps Lucic then he clearly doesn’t understand what he did wrong, his Loyalty is blinding and losing anymore talent (specifically RNH ) just to keep this man and his contract on the Oilers will be my last as an Edmonton Oiler season ticket holder.

    This isn’t about Loyalty this is about Cap management and getting the best players to support the ones already here.

    IMHO the Oilers have to purge Russell – Lucic – and Sekera contracts in order to fully compete for a Stanley Cup.

    I just don’t see how they rebuild this mess without the Cap room.

  133. russ99 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    It would be a massive mistake to commit any mediumm to long term cap to a “veteran” winger, whether it be Maroon, Grabner, Max P., Hoffman or otherwise.

    The best course of action, in my opinion, for the medium to long term success of this team is to find a way to dispose of one of the $4M plus contracts on the left D side that isn’t Klefbom (or Nurse) and use that cap space to acquire a legit 1st or 2nd pairing RD that can move the puck.

    Hopefully find a ONE YEAR stop gap winger to play in the top 6 to bridge the gap until there is some prospect graduation.

    Hopefully there is some way to ensure that disposed of LHD contract is Kris Russell as I’d much rather keep Sekera (who is materially better than Russell in all aspects of the game) – it may have to be a buyout.

    It may be a painful year next year with more middling wingers in the top 6 (until our prospects graduate) but it will be worth it for the longer term success of the team.

    Management: Do not commit cap with term to the top 6 – we cannot afford that unless the Lucic contract is off the books. We have to bet on prospects providing extreme value on their ELCs

    Can’t believe how many fans are willing to sit still for more losing seasons just to push favored styles of hockey, keep favorites, dump players decided upon as worthless before they played a game for us, and perpetrate the failed 80s Oilers redo rebuild strategy for god knows how many years.

    The answer is simple, keep the McDavid core and build around them. All others are expendable as long as talent is brought in to maximize that core. Dump the UFAs and RFAs but Nurse and maybe Strome if we can get around the QO.

    Russell’s buyout in year three will significantly impact what we can do. Do you want to give up on Puljujarvi because of Russell’s year 3 buyout? Bite the bullet and wait on Russell and Sekera until next summer when they’re tradable, Lucic the year after.

  134. frjohnk says:

    Bobcaygeon:
    I’m not going to beat a dead horse, I’ve said my piece about Lucic for two seasons now…..The fact that the Oiler’s traded Hall on the chance Chairelli was going to sigh Lucic only makes matters worse..

    That being said, If the Edmonton Oilers want to compete for a Stanley Cup then there is zero chance this man can be on the team, Chairelli can right a lot of wrongs by admitting he screwed up and trade Lucic..

    If Chairelli keeps Lucic then he clearly doesn’t understand what he did wrong, his Loyalty is blinding and losing anymore talent (specificallyRNH ) just to keep this man and his contract on the Oilers will be my last as an Edmonton Oiler season ticket holder.

    This isn’t about Loyalty this is about Cap management and getting the best players to support the ones already here.

    IMHO the Oilers have to purge Russell – Lucic – and Sekera contracts in order to fully compete for a Stanley Cup.

    I just don’t see how they rebuild this mess without the Cap room.

    Chia and TMac have to first realize that Lucic is a very flawed player that is not a fit with McDavid or Draisaitl. Trying to prop up Lucic by weighing down McDavid and/or Draisaitl is not an efficient way to use our two best players. 20 games without a goal? Thats 25% of the season. And we needed some secondary scoring during this time when we were fighting for our playoff lives but Lucic was nowhere to be seen.

    Unfortunately, Oilers can not move him or his contract. That is just not happening.

    So the Oilers have to make do with the asset. Put him on a soft minutes line on the 3rd line with Strome and a faster winger like Sleppy or Kassian on the other side. Give them offensive zone starts so Lucic does not have try and transition the puck through the neutral zone with plodding skating and errant passes. Put him on PP2 in front of the net. Cut his minutes down to about 12 minutes so maybe he gives a full effort every shift instead of disappearing for shifts at a time.

  135. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bobcaygeon:
    I’m not going to beat a dead horse, I’ve said my piece about Lucic for two seasons now…..The fact that the Oiler’s traded Hall on the chance Chairelli was going to sigh Lucic only makes matters worse..

    That being said, If the Edmonton Oilers want to compete for a Stanley Cup then there is zero chance this man can be on the team, Chairelli can right a lot of wrongs by admitting he screwed up and trade Lucic..

    If Chairelli keeps Lucic then he clearly doesn’t understand what he did wrong, his Loyalty is blinding and losing anymore talent (specificallyRNH ) just to keep this man and his contract on the Oilers will be my last as an Edmonton Oiler season ticket holder.

    This isn’t about Loyalty this is about Cap management and getting the best players to support the ones already here.

    IMHO the Oilers have to purge Russell – Lucic – and Sekera contracts in order to fully compete for a Stanley Cup.

    I just don’t see how they rebuild this mess without the Cap room.

    While removing the Lucic contract would be massive for the ability of this team to fill some of its holes, not moving the Lucic contract does not necessarily equate to Chiarelli’s continued support of this player.

    That contract can not be moved without the consent of Milan and Milan could simply just say no. I would assume that he isn’t married to Edmonton and would indeed waive to get to various destinations but that’s pure speculation on my part and, if Milan says no, there is nothing Peter can do.

    If anything, Peter has actually shown the ability to walk away from mistakes (Reinhart, Jokinen) and I believe he would walk away from the Lucic contract if he could.

    He may not want to, you could be right, however, my point is simply that not moving the contract does not mean the GM/POHO does not want to.

  136. OriginalPouzar says:

    russ99: Can’t believe how many fans are willing to sit still for more losing seasons just to push favored styles of hockey, keep favorites, dump players decided upon as worthless before they played a game for us, and perpetrate the failed 80s Oilers redo rebuild strategy for god knows how many years.

    It has nothing to do with keeping favorites and everything to do with trying to build a team to contend for and win the Stanley Cup.

    I could easily just say “I can’t believe how many fans want management to try and fix all the apparent holes in the off-season which is an impossible task and will lead to panic moves and even more cap issues in the future:.

    have my opinions on what is missing on the team and we simply do not have the cap space to acquire a 1st/2nd pairing RHD (which is the biggest need in my opinion) as well as add some scoring on the wings up front. We don’t have the cap space to do both without having to dispose of an important piece of the core in Klefbom or Nuge. That isn’t about “favorites” that’s about players that I think can help the team win in the future. This team has one advantage right now, its center depth, and I do not think its a good idea to disable the one advantage to commit cap space with term for a top 6 winger. I would rather try and fill the top 6 winger spot internally with extreme value contracts allowing cap space to be spend elsewhere.

    We need extreme value contracts in order to build a contender.

    Given the foregoing, my opinion is that we cannot commit cap space with term to an established top 6 winger – we don’t have the cap space for it and I think the cap space needs to be spent on the right side of the D – we need to fill that hole and help the transition game. Because of this, there could very well be a hole or two at the top 6 wing and I’m willing to leave the hole for a year (and miss the playoffs because of it) and fix it, in time, with extreme value contracts from graduating prospects.

    Its not about “not caring” about missing the playoffs next year its about being realistic, in my opinion, about how many holes can be filled in one off-season with limited cap space without creating other holes. I feel that not committing to a top 6 winger with term is the best course of action to build towards a championship in the medium term even though it may contribute to another tough season next year.

    More short term pain for longer term gain.

    In my opinion.

    I don’t “like it” but I think its the situation we are in unless we can get rid of the Lucic and Russell contracts.

  137. Bobcaygeon says:

    OriginalPouzar: While removing the Lucic contract would be massive for the ability of this team to fill some of its holes, not moving the Lucic contract does not necessarily equate to Chiarelli’s continued support of this player.

    That contract can not be moved without the consent of Milan and Milan could simply just say no. I would assume that he isn’t married to Edmonton and would indeed waive to get to various destinations but that’s pure speculation on my part and, if Milan says no, there is nothing Peter can do.

    If anything, Peter has actually shown the ability to walk away from mistakes (Reinhart, Jokinen) and I believe he would walk away from the Lucic contract if he could.

    He may not want to, you could be right, however, my point is simply that not moving the contract does not mean the GM/POHO does not want to.

    There is a way, Chairelli has to be a GM, bring Lucic in and sit him down, explain that the plan going forward is to get younger, cheaper and faster. There is no room on the team for you, pick twelve teams and I will do my best to trade you to one of those teams, if not… you’ll play at 4 minutes a night….
    If I was still a serviceable player and my GM laid out the situation to me like that my choice would be to move on……
    Loyalty is a bitch and admitting that a change has to happen is what will make a great GM or A gM that could go down as one of the worst GM’s of all time.

  138. Scungilli Slushy says:

    russ99: Can’t believe how many fans are willing to sit still for more losing seasons just to push favored styles of hockey, keep favorites, dump players decided upon as worthless before they played a game for us, and perpetrate the failed 80s Oilers redo rebuild strategy for god knows how many years.

    The answer is simple, keep the McDavid core and build around them. All others are expendable as long as talent is brought in to maximize that core. Dump the UFAs and RFAs but Nurse and maybe Strome if we can get around the QO.

    Russell’s buyout in year three will significantly impact what we can do. Do you want to give up on Puljujarvi because of Russell’s year 3 buyout? Bite the bullet and wait on Russell and Sekera until next summer when they’re tradable, Lucic the year after.

    They’ve made their bed for next year, they should probably sleep in it. There aren’t any easy ways out, just creating further problems down the road.

    However it seems that rolling the dice on fixes coming up down the road may be part of a GM’s mind set. Gamble Sekera can be good for a few more seasons and hope a player emerges or some deal comes up.

    The thing with Klefbom is – if he is healthy in the long term – he will be a very good D on a great contract for quite a few years. Given how hard D are to get, it probably isn’t a great idea to move him.

    But he is not a young player anymore and still hasn’t smoothed out like really top players do, that may be something that reduces his value in the org’s eyes.

    I think it is more likely they move Nuge. They won’t use him as a winger, he’s smaller and isn’t a shooter, has middling top 6 offense. Trading a good centre for anything other than an elite winger is a talent loss again.

    For a quality RD it may be a net gain, but this is a pretty dry group of forwards offensively, they would have to find some goals and decent play in a cheaper UFA or trade.

    BTW, Lucic has two more seasons after next before he can be asked to give an 8 team list.

    Although I think that if next year he underperforms he’ll fall on his sword. He’s a proud guy, I can see him doing that, but he’ll have to be feeling pretty bad to develop that mindset.

    I believe he’s tradeable, but he might not bring much back, but the cap room will mean a lot and while he was the ‘Hall replacement’, he didn’t actually cost assets, just money, so it’s not that bad if it’s a low return.

  139. JimmyV1965 says:

    Bobcaygeon: There is a way, Chairelli has to be a GM, bring Lucic in and sit him down, explain that the plan going forward is to get younger, cheaper and faster. There is no room on the team for you, pick twelve teams and I will do my best to trade you to one of those teams, if not… you’ll play at 4 minutes a night….
    If I was still a serviceable player and my GM laid out the situation to me like that my choice would be to move on……
    Loyalty is a bitch and admitting that a change has to happen is what will make a great GM or A gM that could go down as one of the worst GM’s of all time.

    There also has to be a team that wants him. Highly unlikely.

  140. JimmyV1965 says:

    If this team finds cap space miraculously and spends it on another expensive UFA, I’m going to lose my shit.

  141. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bobcaygeon: There is a way, Chairelli has to be a GM, bring Lucic in and sit him down, explain that the plan going forward is to get younger, cheaper and faster. There is no room on the team for you, pick twelve teams and I will do my best to trade you to one of those teams, if not… you’ll play at 4 minutes a night….
    If I was still a serviceable player and my GM laid out the situation to me like that my choice would be to move on……
    Loyalty is a bitch and admitting that a change has to happen is what will make a great GM or A gM that could go down as one of the worst GM’s of all time.

    Milan could still say no.

    Even if Milan says yes to a few teams, moving the contract without taking back an equally horrid contract or retaining more than what makes the trade worthwhile is likely.

  142. OriginalPouzar says:

    JimmyV1965:
    If this team finds cap space miraculously and spends it on another expensive UFA, I’m going to lose my shit.

    I think we are the only two in the community that do not want to see a material top 6 winger brought in this off-season.

  143. Bobcaygeon says:

    JimmyV1965: There also has to be a team that wants him. Highly unlikely.

    I think there’s interest in Lucic, Chairelli might have to eat half that salary but if a 33 yr old Phaneuf can get traded and there is intrest in Maroon then a 28 yr old Lucic has to have some value to a team.

  144. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bobcaygeon: I think there’s interest in Lucic, Chairelli might have to eat half that salary but ifa 33 yr old Phaneuf can get traded and there is intrest in Maroon then a 28 yr old Lucic has to have some value to a team.

    Eating $3M and then needing to replace what Lucic does bring likely makes it even more expensive….

  145. GMB3 says:

    russ99: Can’t believe how many fans are willing to sit still for more losing seasons just to push favored styles of hockey, keep favorites, dump players decided upon as worthless before they played a game for us, and perpetrate the failed 80s Oilers redo rebuild strategy for god knows how many years.

    The answer is simple, keep the McDavid core and build around them. All others are expendable as long as talent is brought in to maximize that core. Dump the UFAs and RFAs but Nurse and maybe Strome if we can get around the QO.

    Russell’s buyout in year three will significantly impact what we can do. Do you want to give up on Puljujarvi because of Russell’s year 3 buyout? Bite the bullet and wait on Russell and Sekera until next summer when they’re tradable, Lucic the year after.

    Do you see how much of a hypocrite you sound like? Let’s wait another couple years until we can get rid of Russell and Sekera.. look at your first paragraph and your last paragraph.

    Punch me in the face

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