G57 2017-18: Oilers at Coyotes

The Edmonton Oilers are on a five-game losing streak and headed for the desert today for a game against the Arizona Coyotes. If they lose to the (surging) Dogs, the rest of this month offers no quarter. It isn’t a stretch to suggest this five-game dive could easily hit double digits if the Oilers lose today.

At this point in a losing season, it is traditional for this blog to recommend some minor league options for recall at the deadline. It’s an ill wind she blows this time, ladies and men. I’ve chosen Joe Gambardella as my cover photo, he’s one of the rookie pro’s having some success in Bakersfield. More in a minute.

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 ZUMA, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • February 2016: 3-4-0, goal differential -1 (6 points)
  • February 2017: 4-3-0, goal differential +1 (8 points)
  • February 2018: 1-5-1, goal differential -8 (3 points)
  • February 16, 2016: Anaheim 5, Edmonton 3 (Source)
  • February 21, 2017: Tampa Bay 4, Edmonton 1 (Source)

Edmonton has been unimpressive for most of the month. Part of that has to do with injury and circumstance (Nuge, Sekera and Larsson) but the team hasn’t played well at all. There is still some work to do even in a lost season and jobs to be won and lost. The goal differential is an especially disconcerting development during February. The -8 number in the first 17 days of the world’s shortest month have contributed to what is becoming a canyon of differential.

 AFTER 56, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers 15-16: 22-29-5, goal differential -36 (49 points)
  • Oilers 16-17: 29-19-8, goal differential +12 (66 points)
  • Oilers 17-18: 23-29-4, goal differential -31 (50 points)
  • February 13, 2016: Winnipeg 2, Edmonton 1 (SO) (Source)
  • February 14, 2017: Edmonton 5, Arizona 2 (Source)

A loss today means Edmonton 2017-18 will have the same point total after 57 games as the 2015-16 team. As I mentioned on the Lowdown yesterday, I do believe management and coaching can defend an 82-point season. A 70-point campaign? That’s going to be very difficult to sell. It’s reasonable to expect changes either way, but degrees up upheaval are possibly still in play.

 WHAT TO EXPECT FROM FEBRUARY?

  • At home to: Colorado, Tampa Bay (Expected 0-1-1) (Actual 1-0-1)
  • On the road to: Los AngelesAnaheimSan Jose (Expected 1-1-1) (Actual 0-3-0)
  • At home to: Florida (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • On the road to: Vegas, Arizona, Colorado (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • At home to: Boston, Colorado (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Los Angeles, Anaheim, San Jose (Expected 0-2-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 5-6-3, 13 points in 14 games
  • Current results: 1-5-1, three points in seven games

Man this got sideways after Christmas, didn’t it? Oilers were 17-17-2 on Boxing Day and are 6-12-2 since then. This month accounts for almost half of those 12 losses and there are seven games to go. Dire. Onof the truly damning things about this season for the coaching staff is an inability to successfully address weakness. The penalty kill remains a mess after all this time. Crazy.

TOTAL RECALLS

It is one grim outlook on the farm for recall forwards this season. One of the reasons Patrick Maroon may not be dealt for a draft pick is the lack of players who can be deployed in the final 20 (or so) NHL games. The new website prospect-stats.com has a fabulous estimated 5×5 points-per-60 metric and gives us these numbers.

  1. Iiro Pakarinen 2.25
  2. Josh Currie 1.85
  3. Joe Gambardella 1.81
  4. Joey Laleggia 1.81
  5. Ty Rattie 1.81
  6. Dave Gust 1.69
  7. Grayson Downing 1.49
  8. Patrick Russell 1.49
  9. Braden Christoffer 1.39
  10. Brad Malone 1.37
  11. Mitch Callahan 1.22
  12. Kyle Platzer 1.21
  13. Ryan Hamilton 1.08
  14. Zack O’Brien 1.01

I expect Malone and or Rattie get the call, but I’ll vote for Joe Gambardella. He’s had some injury issues but is actually scoring pretty well 5×5. This might be Joey Laleggia’s last chance Texaco for the NHL. Now let’s check the blue.

I don’t see any of these men catching on and spending five seasons with Edmonton. Next season, Kailer Yamamoto and Tyler Benson will probably join this group and build toward NHL careers (although Yamamoto has a chance to make the big team out of camp). We should expect an very aggressive procurement summer, including trades for entry-level forwards, signing college free agents and undrafted CHL men. This can’t stand.

  1. Ethan Bear 1.15
  2. Keegan Lowe 0.97
  3. Caleb Jones 0.88
  4. Ryan Mantha 0.68
  5. Dillon Simpson 0.45
  6. Ryan Stanton 0.31
  7. Ben Betker 0.21

Bear’s offense at 5×5 is solid, I think it’s universally agreed he, Jones and Mantha need more time in the AHL. Perhaps a cup of coffee at season’s end for one or more as a nod for job well done. Keegan Lowe’s verbal has been rock solid all year long, he earned the recall over Simpson and Stanton. I like the young blue, but it’s important to remember these are not first-round picks and there are no guaranteed NHL jobs at the end of the entry deals.

OILERS LINES OVER 100 MINUTES 5X5

  1. Maroon-McDavid-Draisaitl 56.67 Corsi for in 277 minutes (17-10 GF)
  2. Lucic-McDavid-Puljujarvi 55.41 Corsi in 176 minutes (8-4 GF)
  3. Khaira-Draisaitl-Strome 53.01 Corsi in 105 minutes (5-4 GF)
  4. Corsica

Two of these lines could be intact after the deadline, wonder if we see it. I’m at a point where Strome is a center full stop. You?

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  1. russ99 says:

    Of course the “war room in Toronto” screws us again.

    Hard to watch a league that’s so blatantly fixed.

  2. LMHF#1 says:

    So 19-97-58 scores goals and draws penalties…who knew?

    Well…besides most of the long-time posters here.

    And another complete BS call against the Oilers…

  3. SwedishPoster says:

    I’d pressbox Lucic for the next one. Rant to follow. The guy is just awful out there, hurting his pride might the only way to find some kind of spark, I mean he’s been struggling for most of his Oiler career but these last few weeks are just pure garbage. The guy is embarrassing himself out there. Would send some serious shivers through the locker room which is probably a positive, a lot of guys in need of a wake up call. Would also give Milan a chance to focus on being good in the room without bothering with all the silly hockey playing.

    I assume noone thought the challenge would go the Oilers way?

  4. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Of course, no goal – shocker.

    You’re starting to get that “sarcasm thing” down.

    And they say no good come from watching these games. What do they know.

  5. Rebilled says:

    Who wrote that country song?

    All my goals are non goals and first shot goals…

  6. Professor Q says:

    Damn, I was watching some Altered Carbon and missed the 17th (18th? 19th?) No Goal.

    I’m sure Toronto made a riveting scene on the call.

  7. sliderule says:

    The coyotes goal had the same amount of so called interference

    Our big minds on the bench decided not to challenge

    Another reason for changes

  8. Zelepukin says:

    thats a brutal call.

  9. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oh, Jesse, you’ve got to make that defensive play without a very obvious infraction – you have the refs no choice on that one.

  10. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    Professor Q:
    Damn, I was watching some Altered Carbon and missed the 17th No Goal.

    I’m sure Toronto made a riveting scene on the call.

    Probably felt it would be a shame to ruin a perfectly good loss.

    Hoping for the lottery win to send a nice “FUCK YOU” back there.

  11. Professor Q says:

    sliderule:
    The coyotes goal had the same amount of so called interference

    Our big minds on the bench decided not to challenge

    Another reason for changes

    I’m not sure you can challenge a challenged challenge?

  12. Sighduck says:

    Poolparty to the PB next game because Tmac?

  13. Sighduck says:

    Professor Q:
    Damn, I was watching some Altered Carbon and missed the 17th (18th? 19th?) No Goal.

    I’m sure Toronto made a riveting scene on the call.

    That show is well worth missing this game for!

  14. russ99 says:

    Professor Q:

    I’m sure Toronto made a riveting scene on the call.

    That’s for show, it’s two buzzers on Bettman’s easy chair. The delay is for effect.

  15. SwedishPoster says:

    Stupid penalty by Jesse. Maroon reacting like he did after skating around with legs straighter than the wooden leg of Long John Silver all game is even dumber. You go to yourself first, don’t get mad at others if you yourself play like crap.

  16. Professor Q says:

    How was that not a trip?!

  17. season not played says:

    EUR_OIL: That is indeed something, the Oilers should find out in advance …

    EUR_OIL:
    Every time I see the Coyotes play, I ask myself what happened to the guy, the Oilers received for Tobias Rieder… What a fine depth winger he would be…

    Are those two odd spots for commas or is grade three language arts too far in my rear view mirror?

  18. OriginalPouzar says:

    One huge silver lining from that game tonight: Cam Talbot had maybe his best game of the year and looked like the Cam Talbot from last year.

    Story to look for in the next game (if he plays tomorrow) and going forward is if Talbot can find his game and be consistent over the last 25 games.

  19. Mike Wazowski says:

    sliderule:
    The coyotes goal had the same amount of so called interference

    Our big minds on the bench decided not to challenge

    Another reason for changes

    Nobody and I mean NOBODY (including the NHL) knows what constitutes goalie interference. TMc could easily have challenged, lost and had no timeout or challenge available for later in the game.

    I wish the league would figure this crap out.

  20. Confused says:

    Only sabres and coyotes to go falling for ….

  21. deardylan says:

    Arizona catching up to us… only a few pts behind us. Go Arizona Go.

    Play the young guys. Do a massive Cavaliers type shuffle before and during the draft.

    Generational Dahlin to go along with McDavid odds getting better by the day. Yes!

    #TankathonInFullEffect #RollerCoaster2018Baby

  22. russ99 says:

    It’s not like we’re playing scintillating hockey, but that’s a shitty way to lose.

    Dammit Todd, say something, pay the fine. This is horseshit and everyone knows it.

  23. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    One huge silver lining from that game tonight: Cam Talbot had maybe his best game of the year and looked like the Cam Talbot from last year.

    Story to look for in the next game (if he plays tomorrow) and going forward is if Talbot can find his game and be consistent over the last 25 games.

    Oh, and one huge black cloud … the streak remains intact. Onward and downward.

  24. Mr. D. says:

    Story is we can’t score. Teams have figured early pressure on the breakout collapses out team.

  25. Woogie63 says:

    No wonder USA TV does not want NHL hockey, that was terrible entertainment.

    Give the Oilers the goal on the challenge and the entertainment value for fans goes way up.

    If Bettman does not get a MUCH better USA TV deal that is going to be his legacy.

  26. Ben says:

    Just dropping by to say that choosing not to spend my Saturday afternoon watching that game was real, and it was fabulous!

  27. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    One huge silver lining from that game tonight: Cam Talbot had maybe his best game of the year and looked like the Cam Talbot from last year.

    Story to look for in the next game (if he plays tomorrow) and going forward is if Talbot can find his game and be consistent over the last 25 games.

    – do you really think there is any link that can be made on how the goalie (or any player) does in these games and what they will look like next year?

    – really except you young guys like pool and jar who need the reps the is no bearing on performance rest of year that is predictive for next year. It just doesn’t work that way

  28. russ99 says:

    Mr. D.:
    Story is we can’t score. Teams have figured early pressure on the breakout collapses out team

    Meh. Volume shooting outside the high danger area is a much bigger issue, we got 40 shots on goal today.

  29. Mike Wazowski says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Cam had a great afternoon. Rest of the team didn’t play at the same level.

    It sucks and certainly isn’t an excuse but the team has hit the emotional crater after getting no points out of the California road trip and realizing there won’t be playoffs in Edmonton this spring. The ‘yotes have been out of it for a month and are past that emotional crater already.

  30. thehop says:

    Ben:
    Just dropping by to say that choosing not to spend my Saturday afternoon watching that game was real, and it was fabulous!

    I turned it off after the first.

    Took a nap with my 7 week old baby girl.

    Best decision I’ve made in a long long time.

  31. Pescador says:

    Shut out by the worst team in the league.
    One goal scored, first shot again.
    This franchise is broken.
    The Oilers are the worst team in the NHL.
    Just appalling

  32. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – do you really think there is any link that can be made on how the goalie (or any player) does in these games and what they will look like next year?

    – really except you young guys like pool and jar who need the reps the is no bearing on performance rest of year that is predictive for next year. It just doesn’t work that way

    Well shit … now I need to come up with something positive to balance this out.

  33. sliderule says:

    Professor Q: I’m not sure you can challenge a challenged challenge?

    I was flipping between golf and game and coyotes feed said oilers bench did not challenge interference

    Did referee go to Toronto to check their own call on ice

    I didn’t think they did that.

    Whatever it’s closer to top six pick

  34. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Decidedly Skeptical Fan: Probably felt it would be a shame to ruin a perfectly good loss.

    Hoping for the lottery win to send a nice “FUCK YOU” back there.

    This would be the ultimate retribution.

    Absolutely perfect.

  35. Mike Wazowski says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – do you really think there is any link that can be made on how the goalie (or any player) does in these games and what they will look like next year?

    – really except you young guys like pool and jar who need the reps the is no bearing on performance rest of year that is predictive for next year. It just doesn’t work that way

    Sure it does. Players that choose not to sleepwalk through the remains of the season is an indicator of some character.

  36. Scungilli Slushy says:

    sliderule: I was flipping between golf and game and coyotes feed said oilers bench did not challenge interference

    Did referee go to Toronto to check their own call on ice

    I didn’t think they did that.

    Whatever it’s closer to top six pick

    The win for this season is at the deadline and the draft.

  37. thehop says:

    Pescador:
    Shut out by the worst team in the league.
    One goal scored, first shot again.
    This franchise is broken.
    The Oilers are the worst team in the NHL.
    Just appalling

    I’ve been saying it for a while gents….

    The Cleveland Browns of the NHL.

    Today reaffirmed that for me.

    I’ll be wearing a paper bag over my head if I ever choose to watch a game again this season.

  38. sliderule says:

    JP has taken several late game tackling penalties

    Coaches have to tell him move his legs or its back to Bakersfieldd

  39. Pescador says:

    Oilman99: Yotes are hot,Oilers are not this could be another ugly afternoon fiasco.

    Sadly this was not a stretch at 10am

  40. frjohnk says:

    Hey. On the bright side we are only 6 points out.

    Still lots of time to catch up.

  41. Pescador says:

    Mike Wazowski: Sure it does. Players that choose not to sleepwalk through the remains of the season is an indicator of some character.

    Would you be able to point any out?
    I’m seeing 92% effort or less

  42. hags9k says:

    Barely remembered there was a game today. Took the kids to the ODR.

    Caught the last 5 mins by accident. Highlight for me was the “stationary board battle” with about 50 seconds left by about $21 M worth of the cap next year.

    I hung in there a long time and believed this group would find their game and put a run together.

    As they have tuned out so have I. The whole lot of them can fuck off.

  43. Professor Q says:

    hags9k:
    Barely remembered there was a game today.Took the kids to the ODR.

    Caught the last 5 mins by accident.Highlight for me was the “stationary board battle” with about 50 seconds left by about $21 M worth of the cap next year.

    I hung in there a long time and believed this group would find their game and put a run together.

    As they have tuned out so have I.The whole lot of them can fuck off.

    And right after that, the blatant trip on Draisaitl that was not called.

    It’s not *only* Edmonton’s effort level that’s causing them to lose.

  44. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    BONE207:
    The Hungarian translationfor “speed bump ” in a literal sense is “laying policeman”. With all the talk of loading cannons, firing WEM etc, where do posters like verite & cassandra go when they could be running over entire police forces as well?

    A speed bump is also known as a sleeping policeman in British English, Maltese English and Caribbean English, a judder bar in New Zealand English, and a lying-down policeman in Croatia, Slovenia and Russia.

    Not exactly sure what your point was but they call them that in England, too.

  45. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Talbot played well after the requisite GOFS, not his fault I suppose on this one.

    The difference between the Oilers and the winners when they get goaltending is small details.

    They are doing the same thing mostly as the other teams but their structure is sloppy in all zones and they don’t have close to the same sticks knocking down pucks and taking passes.

    They also can’t pass to save their lives.

    It’s ridiculous. Such simple things are dragging them down. They need a squadron of able coaches to get them doing the basics at an NHL level so the skill can take over.

    All teams have to play with structure, but nothing is possible such as trying to open up the offense when on any given game a majority of the team can’t even make the basic plays 99% of the time. Any percentage less isn’t good enough.

    And the answer isn’t an ass kicking coach.

  46. Mr. D. says:

    Any info on Caleb Jones issues? He hasn’t been playing and supposedly isn’t injured.

  47. Sighduck says:

    thehop: I turned it off after the first.

    Took a nap with my 7 week old baby girl.

    Best decision I’ve made in a long long time.

    The best advice I was given when it comes to newborns is whenever you have a chance to do anything make sure you sleep!

  48. OilClog says:

    Hopefully they lose every single game.

    Slepy’s interview with Gene and his facial expressions when asked about the coaches sealed the story. Awkwaaaaaard

    There’s two sides at work, a stubborn side refusing to believe their way isn’t the way, and a broken side that’s getting its head kicked in trying to do what is asked but know they’re defeated before it begins. Part gutting of skill, part what exactly is your goal coach?

    If a competive mind knows it’s defeated before it begins in regards to professional athletes, these are the results.

    The heart transplant they need is new voices behind the bench, and for the damn Management to stop selling away all the actual talent for everyone’s spare refurbished parts.

    Ship em all to Tambi’s farm for his patience retraining and maybe Detroit will hire them in a few years.

  49. Dominoiler says:

    Ben:
    Just dropping by to say that choosing not to spend my Saturday afternoon watching that game was real, and it was fabulous!

    Yurp.. my second game off in a row and am quite happy w the decision.. may not waste another day / evening watching this shitastic team this season.. flush it, double flush it, and hope it doesn’t overflow..

  50. Psyche says:

    OilClog,

    I didn’t see the Slepy interview with Gene. What was Gene’s story and question?

  51. OriginalPouzar says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – do you really think there is any link that can be made on how the goalie (or any player) does in these games and what they will look like next year?

    – really except you young guys like pool and jar who need the reps the is no bearing on performance rest of year that is predictive for next year. It just doesn’t work that way

    Do I think Talbot playing like a Vezina candidate in the last 25 games as oppossed to a bottom tier starter (if starter at all) makes a difference going in to next year?

    Absolutely.

  52. Dominoiler says:

    thehop: I turned it off after the first.

    Took a nap with my 7 week old baby girl.

    Best decision I’ve made in a long long time.

    Def not the worst decision.. congrats, enjoy every one of those cuddle naps..

  53. OriginalPouzar says:

    Mr. D.:
    Any info on Caleb Jones issues? He hasn’t been playing and supposedly isn’t injured.

    I’ve been trying to find out what’s going on with Jones for a month now (or however long he’s been out).

    I haven’t been able to get a single iota of information and maybe that’s because its some sort of personal issue? This is the first I’ve heard of that (I’ve literally not been able to find a single tidbit).

  54. hags9k says:

    Brad Hunt slapshot goal. Career year.

    *puts on straitjacket, laughs hysterically*

  55. OriginalPouzar says:

    I have no regrets tuning in to every second of that game. It was not the most exhilarating game, that’s for sure, but I enjoyed my 2.5 hours and I got more information on every player that was in the lineup to formulate my opinions and thoughts on the team.

    Klef looks like he’s coming around a bit – still struggling with the breakout pass but I don’t think his shoulder is going to require surgery.

    Talbot looked calm and confident today. He was swallowing up pucks as well – I’ll be looking for more of the same tomorrow (unless they give LB the net).

    Slepy was one of the better skaters yet again – I don’t know about his hockey sense but he looks good out there when he has his legs.

  56. frjohnk says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I have no regrets tuning in to every second of that game. It was not the most exhilarating game, that’s for sure, but I enjoyed my 2.5 hours and I got more information on every player that was in the lineup to formulate my opinions and thoughts on the team.

    Klef looks like he’s coming around a bit – still struggling with the breakout pass but I don’t think his shoulder is going to require surgery.

    Talbot looked calm and confident today. He was swallowing up pucks as well – I’ll be looking for more of the same tomorrow (unless they give LB the net).

    Slepy was one of the better skaters yet again – I don’t know about his hockey sense but he looks good out there when he has his legs.

    I have and will always watch the games, but I have been taping them lately , then just watching the game and fast forwarding through commercials and intermissions. Takes about 60 minutes or so. That way when they lay an egg, I dont feel so bad cause I only invested 60 minutes instead of 2.5 hours

  57. deardylan says:

    frjohnk,

    Super efficiency brother. Haha Love it. You save 1.5hrs every game to put towards your wealth, health, happiness and still are there to cheer on your team. Sweeeeet!

  58. stephen sheps says:

    Lowetide: Haha. You caught me. Fridays are my night for staying up late and listening to music when the family is sleeping, and Zuma was my choice for the 1,000,000 time last night. I’m not sure what it is about that album, although the guitar sound is amazing. Either way, you are correct, happy place for me and decidedly unhappy place to slot it. But that’s why.

    Sorry for the delayed reply (in the UK – timezone differences and all that, plus roaming), but that makes sense. And yes, the guitar sound on that album gets me every damn time.

    Was there a game? Did I miss anything?

    I kid, I know they lost. The 2pm Alberta start meant my brother and I had hockey night in London, drams of Octomore 7.4 warming our bellies while strangely not angrying up our blood with each failed zone entry and scoring chance that went nowhere, a place everyone knows this team is at.

  59. Lowetide says:

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    “There’s no consistency and I’m f*****g sick of it. It’s f*****g ridiculous. You can quote me, they can fine me, I don’t give a f*** anymore.” — Oilers goalie Cam Talbot on the mystery that is goaltender interference in the NHL

    5:17 PM – 17 Feb 2018

  60. deardylan says:

    I listen to many games on 630 ched livestream in Vietnam while making breakfast and walking to work (if early game) or in early morning work (if normal time). Mute the commercials. If great game watch extended highlights on NHL.com. Show my vietnamese wife highlights of Connor McDavid. She is crazy about him and Justin Trudeau which will help if we want to re-immigrate to Canada someday.

    Read Lowetide to get the feeling/overview and try to post every few games. I love this rollercoaster ride of Oilers….you couldn’t write a wilder script the last few years.

    Evil villains, refs screwing us, missed opportunities, growth, rot, generational superstar, mindblowing drafts, bad luck, good luck, crazy stats on first goal, penalty kill, powerplay, trades.

    From Bottom Feeder to Top 10 to Bottom Feeder. Too much fun… creating so much discussion. Oilers are NEVER boring to discuss and read about. haha.

    “A life spent making mistakes is not only more honorable but more useful than a life spent in doing nothing.” – George Bernard Shaw

  61. Sighduck says:

    Lowetide:
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    “There’s no consistency and I’m f*****g sick of it. It’s f*****g ridiculous. You can quote me, they can fine me, I don’t give a f*** anymore.” — Oilers goalie Cam Talbot on the mystery that is goaltender interference in the NHL

    5:17 PM – 17 Feb 2018

    Someone had to do it, if it isn’t going to be the coach might as well be the goaltender, good on him!

  62. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    OriginalPouzar: Do I think Talbot playing like a Vezina candidate in the last 25 games as oppossed to a bottom tier starter (if starter at all) makes a difference going in to next year?

    Absolutely.

    – I disagree. Vezina when it doesn’t matter doesn’t matter

    – he’s had a disappointing season when it mattered. His play for the rest of the gives no assurances about performance next year.

    – Put it another way. His play doesn’t change the fact that he sucked when it mattered and regardless they need a better back up.

  63. OriginalPouzar says:

    As per Rob T.

    “There’s no consistency and I’m f*****g sick of it. It’s f*****g ridiculous. You can quote me, they can fine me, I don’t give a f*** anymore.” — Oilers goalie Cam Talbot on the mystery that is goaltender interference in the NHL

  64. OriginalPouzar says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – I disagree. Vezina when it doesn’t matter doesn’t matter

    – he’s had a disappointing season when it mattered. His play for the rest of the gives no assurances about performance next year.

    – Put it another way. His play doesn’t change the fact that he sucked when it mattered and regardless they need a better back up.

    No, it wouldn’t mean that he’s going to have a bounce back year next year but it would mean that he still has the ability to provide that level of goaltending (his abilities have not fallen off a cliff) and that he would be doing in to next season confident and his teammates confident in him.

    The “no pressure” is meaningless as he’s proven to be able to perform under pressure (last year).

  65. Professor Q says:

    Sighduck: Someone had to do it, if it isn’t going to be the coach might as well be the goaltender, good on him!

    Todd did go after the refs a few games ago but it was just subtle enough…

  66. Frank the dog says:

    When i used to drop comments here i stated from tine to time that how well the Oers do in a season, has more to do with referees and injuries than the roster itself. Last season we had more even handed refereeing and minimal injuries. Prior season we had lots of injurees and hostile calls and non calls, same this year.
    I have also said that I do not feel that TMac has the ability to take is to the cup. I still feel that way. I still feel that both Ralph Krueger and Todd Nelson are able to get more out of their teams than Todd. Todd is a great person as are Ralph and Nellie and Todd is a certified playoff head coach. But it stops right there.

  67. OriginalPouzar says:

    frjohnk: I have and will always watch the games, but I have been taping them lately , then just watching the game and fast forwarding through commercials and intermissions.Takes about 60 minutes or so.That way when they lay an egg, I dont feel so bad cause I only invested 60 minutes instead of 2.5 hours

    I am glad you are still watching.

  68. LMHF#1 says:

    Lowetide:
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    “There’s no consistency and I’m f*****g sick of it. It’s f*****g ridiculous. You can quote me, they can fine me, I don’t give a f*** anymore.” — Oilers goalie Cam Talbot on the mystery that is goaltender interference in the NHL

    5:17 PM – 17 Feb 2018

    It is on the Coach to do that for his players. That he hasn’t is yet another strike against him.

  69. jtblack says:

    I blame this entire season on the Vegas expansion. We lost Reinhart and it’s been downhill ever since

  70. Professor Q says:

    LMHF#1: It is on the Coach to do that for his players. That he hasn’t is yet another strike against him.

    He has, but not to that extent. He should do more, indeed. He should have done more a long time ago.

    Start throwing stuff on the bench, damn it!

  71. 813.52Ran says:

    I fell in love with the Oilers from hell
    It took some time for my emotions to tell
    That watching them has been a grave mistake
    They ain’t shitty they just look that way.

  72. Mr. D. says:

    Well our PK is bottom of league.
    Goals against 30th
    Holy fuck, wake up. We need guys who can play defense.
    Problem is we’ve gone puck movers who can’t score. 23rd in league.
    So how do you fix this mess. We gave up on defensive guys last year and put the more offensive guys. We’ve lost defense and haven’t got offense to make up for the weakness.

  73. Gret99zky says:

    russ99:
    It’s not like we’re playing scintillating hockey, but that’s a shitty way to lose.

    Dammit Todd, say something, pay the fine. This is horseshit and everyone knows it.

    The only thing I want Todd saying is, “I am officially announcing my resignation as the Edmonton Oilers head coach, effective immediately.”

  74. Professor Q says:

    Gret99zky: The only thing I want Todd saying is, “I am officially announcing my resignation as the Edmonton Oilers head coach, effective immediately.”

    “The Edmonton Oilers announce Jay Woodcroft as Interim Head Coach.”

  75. Gayfish says:

    Mr. D.:
    Well our PK is bottom of league.
    Goals against 30th
    Holy fuck, wake up. We need guys who can playdefense.
    Problem is we’ve gone puck movers who can’t score. 23rd in league.
    So how do you fix this mess. We gave up on defensive guys last year and put the more offensive guys. We’ve lost defense and haven’t got offense to make up for the weakness.

    If you’re telling me that we don’t need a ton of one dimensional offensive guys who barely score like Caggiula, then you sir are a heretic who doesn’t believe in the plan.

  76. Confused says:

    The Condors are 2 up, go figure

  77. Westchester Oil says:

    Anybody know what the Oilers plus/minus (and when I say ‘plus/minus’, I really mean ‘minus’) is with respect to challenges on disputed goals this year is? Somebody must have that stat somewhere. I’m sure we must be in the bottom five in the league in that regard,

  78. OriginalPouzar says:

    Safin with a lone goal tonight (playing center – sigh) in yet another Sea Dogs loss.

  79. Professor Q says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Safin with a lone goal tonight (playing center – sigh) in yet another Sea Dogs loss.

    He’s Safin his best performances for Edmonton.

  80. McSorley33 says:

    Remember when some notable posters were telling us to “calm your tits”?

  81. McSorley33 says:

    This is soooooooooo embarrassing.

    Again.

  82. OriginalPouzar says:

    Maksimov held off the scoreshet in a 2-1 loss – 6 shots on net though.

  83. 99217 says:

    Here’s the answer “Fuckin incompetant drafting even in the 1st round”

    What’s the question?

  84. Gret99zky says:

    So, some believe we shouldn’t can McLellan now because “who’s available” and some believe he should be given another shot, at least until next Christmas.

    And when he shits the bed again next season, then what? Who’s available then?

    Fire. The. Coach.

    NOW

  85. HT Joe says:

    Gret99zky:
    So, some believe we shouldn’t can McLellan now because “who’s available” and some believe he should be given another shot, at least until next Christmas.

    And when he shits the bed again next season, then what?Who’s available then?

    Fire.The.Coach.

    NOW

    Serious question: would we rather have MacT behind the bench than TMac? I find that I don’t have a clear preference right now… and I HATED MacT as a coach when he was dumping on Penner.

  86. JimmyV1965 says:

    Gret99zky:
    So, some believe we shouldn’t can McLellan now because “who’s available” and some believe he should be given another shot, at least until next Christmas.

    And when he shits the bed again next season, then what?Who’s available then?

    Fire.The.Coach.

    I say let him finish out the string this year. Improves our odds of finishing low and winning the lottery. He has to go in the offseason. I can’t see any reason to keep him next year.

  87. Gret99zky says:

    HT Joe: Serious question:would we rather have MacT behind the bench than TMac?I find that I don’t have a clear preference right now… and I HATED MacT as a coach when he was dumping on Penner.

    Fine.

    Put MacT in for the rest of the year.

    And begin the search for a suitable replacement immediately to start next season.

    Give McDavid and the core players some relief.

    It reminds me of an impending divorce.

    When a relationship is broken beyond repair you don’t “stay together for the kids”. That does more damage than good.

  88. texmex says:

    How about replacing chia and Tmac with ken holland and quenville? Assuming both are let go by their respective teams which is highly possible

  89. Gret99zky says:

    JimmyV1965: I say let him finish out the string this year. Improves our odds of finishing low and winning the lottery. He has to go in the offseason. I can’t see any reason to keep him next year.

    Then don’t have a coach. That improves the odds as well.

    McDavid’s frustration with this inept organization has to be mounting. It has to.

    Get him away from this coach. Get a different voice in there.

    McDavid knows the game. He has to see the deployment of this line-up is ridiculous. The PP is terrible. The PK is monumentally bad, but does not change.

    Keeping TMc behind the bench is like rubbing shit in his face.

    FIRE. THE. COACH.

  90. OriginalPouzar says:

    McDavid needs to look in the mirror himself – his effort level has been as inconsistent as anyone else and its not acceptable.

  91. Jethro Tull says:

    texmex:
    How about replacing chia and Tmac with ken holland and quenville? Assuming both are let go by their respective teams which is highly possible

    No to Holland. He won the draft lottery twice with Datsyuk and Zetterberg and also had this underrated guy called Lidstrom.

    And Joe? Well, even Bylsma won a cup with Crosby….

  92. Jethro Tull says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    McDavid needs to look in the mirror himself – his effort level has been as inconsistent as anyone else and its not acceptable.

    You say “not acceptable.” Can you elborate on what you’d do to set the reigning league MVP and top scorer straight? You’re talking about the mythical ‘accountability’ narrative, right?

    That only counts for non-elites. Guys you can actually bench without losing your job or credibility.

    McDavid faces the toughs night in and out with little support. Even Sid had Olympic gold medalist Chris Fucking Kunitz.

  93. Gret99zky says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    McDavid needs to look in the mirror himself – his effort level has been as inconsistent as anyone else and its not acceptable.

    Pfft.

    It’s comments like this that, sometimes, make me wish McDavid was “looking in the mirror” in another dressing room, arena, and city.

    We don’t need McDavid on the team to be this bad.

    There are about 21 players on this roster that should line up to the mirror before #97.

  94. Harpers Hair says:

    Alex DeBrincat with his 22nd goal.

  95. godot10 says:

    I think they need an interim coach for the rest of the year. The players need some fresh air and to be able to breath. Bring on MacT.

    #TeamJacquesMartin

  96. OriginalPouzar says:

    Gret99zky: Pfft.

    It’s comments like this that, sometimes, make me wish McDavid was “looking in the mirror” in another dressing room, arena, and city.

    We don’t need McDavid on the team to be this bad.

    There are about 21 players on this roster that should line up to the mirror before #97.

    I expect our captain to look like he’s actually trying every game – he hasn’t been doing that recently.

    I’m not afraid to criticize our captain when he deserves it and tonight he deserves it – he was a complete non-factor and I believe part of that was his “give a shit” level,

    He wasn’t alone, that’s for sure, however, he’s the captain and he’s supposed to be the best player in the world (and is soon going to be paid $2M on the cap more than any other player) – he needs to be it night in and night out.

    He’s not THE problem, absolutely not, but on nights like tonight (or days, I guess) he certainly wasn’t part of the solution.

  97. Side says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    McDavid needs to look in the mirror himself – his effort level has been as inconsistent as anyone else and its not acceptable.

    I see McDavid is becoming the new Hall.

  98. Surrey Oiler says:

    Harpers Hair:
    Alex DeBrincat with his 22nd goal.

    He also doesn’t have Russell or Benning feeding him outlet passes

  99. Gret99zky says:

    Side: I see McDavid is becoming the new Hall.

    Exactly.

    In some posters’ eyes.

    Be careful what you wish for…….

  100. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Harpers Hair:
    Alex DeBrincat with his 22nd goal.

    On the Oilers this year that would be his second goal.

  101. Scungilli Slushy says:

    The best players on the team aren’t the problem.

    We have no idea if they’re hurt or sick or have background reasons for their appearance on the ice, or any player.

    All players have slumps.

    What matters at the end of a season are appropriate points given usage and winning the goal battle.

  102. Lowetide says:

    Side: I see McDavid is becoming the new Hall.

    Some are already there, but, as I’ve said before, that says more about the individual than it says about Connor McDavid.

  103. Scungilli Slushy says:

    I am beginning to wonder if the Oiler’s on ice disorganization is a result of over-coaching or perhaps the opposite.

    As in they are actually letting the players play and we are seeing the growing pains with the talent and also a lack of roster depth.

    Watching the Pens it’s similar except they execute better, especially with stick use and attacking the net.

  104. godot10 says:

    Don’t look now, but after a slow start with a whole bunch of new players, Todd Nelson has this Grand Rapids team on a 9-0-0-2 run, taking down the Manitoba Moose twice this week.

  105. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    Scungilli Slushy: On the Oilers this year that would be his second goal.

    Correct. Drake would be getting all his ice time because:

    1) “Drake has earned it”
    2) “Oilers”

    Hint: There is no incorrect answer.

  106. Side says:

    OriginalPouzar: I expect our captain to look like he’s actually trying every game – he hasn’t been doing that recently.

    I’m not afraid to criticize our captain when he deserves it and tonight he deserves it – he was a complete non-factor and I believe part of that was his “give a shit” level,

    He wasn’t alone, that’s for sure, however, he’s the captain and he’s supposed to be the best player in the world (and is soon going to be paid $2M on the cap more than any other player) – he needs to be it night in and night out.

    He’s not THE problem, absolutely not, but on nights like tonight (or days, I guess) he certainly wasn’t part of the solution.

    I look at it as the best player on the planet is probably getting a bit tired, physically and emotionally, of carrying an entire team on his back for 3 seasons now. It must be frustrating feeding passes to the likes of Cagguila, Cammeleri and Lucic who can’t seem to put anything away (I wonder why…).

    But sure, lets blame the best player on the team for not showing up on one of the few games in the season where he doesn’t (lets say, 2%) instead of the rest of the team that doesn’t seem to be showing up 90% of the time this season.

  107. godot10 says:

    Side: I look at it as the best player on the planet is probably getting a bit tired, physically and emotionally, of carrying an entire team on his back for 3 seasons now.It must be frustrating feeding passes to the likes of Cagguila, Cammeleri and Lucic who can’t seem to put anything away (I wonder why…).

    But sure, lets blame the best player on the team for not showing up on one of the few games in the season where he doesn’t (lets say, 2%) instead of the rest of the team that doesn’t seem to be showing up 90% of the time this season.

    https://youtu.be/P6_X7PMN99Y?t=18s

  108. jtblack says:

    Lowetide: Some are already there, but, as I’ve said before, that says more about the individual than it says about Connor McDavid.

    If one cannot be happy with Connor McDavid, one cannot be Happy. There is not a better player on the planet, full stop. No player has ever played EVERY game at an elite level. Never. None. It is not possible. In our twitterverse, it seems like every shift gets judged now. Players have ups and downs, highs and lows. And that includes their effort level. Name one Oiler that has played their heart out every single game?? Nobody. It’s not physically possible.

    Go Connor. Go Oilers. The season is lost and everybody (see Cam Talbot) is frustrated about it.

  109. jtblack says:

    The GM did next to nothing in the summer. The team started slow and the GM did next to nothing.

    The GM still has done nothing as the team sewers the toilet bowl. We wait.

  110. Confused says:

    Bear with a nice goal tonight.

    Rattie now with 20

  111. OriginalPouzar says:

    Right – I forgot, McDavid is immune to critisism.

    Any critisism of his game, even when his effort is seemingly piss poor, is an indictment of the ooster’s character.

    How welcoming.

    Very disappointing comment.

    Maybe the last straw.

  112. jtblack says:

    Confused:
    Bear with a nice goal tonight.

    Rattie now with 20

    I would like to see Rattie get a shot to make the Big club next year. A Real Shot based on his pre season. If he plays well, give him 20 games and maybe a bit of PP time?? Why sign these guys if you are just going to bury them

  113. jtblack says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Right – I forgot, McDavid is immune to critisism.

    Any critisism of his game, even when his effort is seemingly piss poor, is an indictment of the ooster’s character.

    How welcoming.

    Very disappointing comment.

    Maybe the last straw.

    He’s not above criticism OP. But what are you expectations of the 21 yr old? Perfection is fleeting …

    EDIT: He has been quiet for 2 games. Prior to that he had 17 Points in his last 9 games.

  114. jtblack says:

    Since coming into the League, McDavid has scored 214 Points. From his draft class the next closest is Eichel at 166. Then Marner at 106. Then ……………

    He’s a SuperNova. I know you know that, but really he has just had a couple lack luster games. Nothing more.

  115. jtblack says:

    OP: How would you grade Safin’s skating? it seems like he is scoring very well lately ….

  116. LMHF#1 says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    I am beginning to wonder if the Oiler’s on ice disorganization is a result of over-coaching or perhaps the opposite.

    As in they are actually letting the players play and we are seeing the growing pains with the talent and also a lack of roster depth.

    Watching the Pens it’s similar except they execute better, especially with stick use and attacking the net.

    I can’t see it being let the players play.

    From the special teams to intentionally giving up the puck and a bunch of other things…that’s coaching.

  117. JimmyV1965 says:

    jtblack: I would like to see Rattie get a shot to make the Big club next year. A Real Shot based on his pre season. If he plays well, give him 20 games and maybea bit of PP time??Why sign these guys if you are just going to bury them

    Bring him up now. Let’s not waste time auditioning players next year.

  118. Gret99zky says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Go ahead, criticize McDavid.

    If you feel it’s warranted.

    You regularly post your opinion and you are entitled to it.

    Some may not agree.

    It’s MY opinion that about 21 other players should precede.

    And especially the coaches.

    The best player on this team is not the problem.

  119. Mr. D. says:

    Meh, the problem is we can’t score..period inside or outside. Been our issue all year. Fuck corsi, Fuck Fenwick, Fuck high danger area etc! It’s all about FINISH!

    russ99: Meh. Volume shooting outside the high danger area is a much bigger issue, we got 40 shots on goal today.

  120. jtblack says:

    Fun Fact for numbers lovers. Since 2012, All Drafted players, scoring is as such.

    Monahan GP 376 PTS 269
    Mackinnon GP 349 PTS 267
    Galchenyuk GP 393 PTS 237
    Forsberg GP 306 PTS 230
    Barkov GP 305 PTS 221
    McDavid GP 183 PTS 214

  121. Mr. D. says:

    For sure Jimmy Johnson should be gone..goals again and PK% are nearly lowest in league.

    godot10:
    I think they need an interim coach for the rest of the year.The players need some fresh air and to be able to breath. Bring on MacT.

    #TeamJacquesMartin

  122. jtblack says:

    TY SMITH: 55 gms 57 Points 153 Shots PROJECTED TOP 10 PICK
    CALEN ADDISON: 56 gms 54 Points 155 Shots PROJECTED LATE 1ST, EARLY 2ND ROUND

    I think the Oilers should look at Addison if he is around at the start of the 2nd Round.

  123. Snowman says:

    Lordy.

    Mcdavid criticism? Really?

    On a team with no depth, no goaltending, the worst special teams in the league, multiple players with no goals in 20+ games and zero top pairing defenceman people are upset with the guy who has 17 points in his last 11 games? The reigning hart, Lindsay and Art Ross winner is literally the one person who has held up his end of the bargain in this clownshow of a hockey organization.

    I understand frustration but mcdavid? Come on.

  124. Georges says:

    jtblack:
    The GM did next to nothing in the summer.The team started slow and the GM did next to nothing.

    The GM still has done nothing as the team sewers the toilet bowl.We wait.

    It is strange. PC is quoted as saying he supports his HC but he doesn’t throw his HC a lifeline.

    Maybe PC is taking the long and risky way to getting rid of McLellan (a coach he didn’t hire) because he couldn’t take the short and sweet way at the start of the season when the team favored to reach the Finals (the team he put together) started badly.

    Or maybe Oilers HQ is as bonkers as guys on here keep saying it is.

    This sure as heck looks like an Eakins’ Spiral on our hands now.

  125. Wilde says:

    This team needs an Ondrej Kase, Jesper Bratt pick so bad.

    I can’t arrange the forward group to look good without one.

  126. jtblack says:

    Wilde:
    This team needs an Ondrej Kase, Jesper Bratt pick so bad.

    I can’t arrange the forward group to look good without one.

    Well said. But I don`t see it? Safin? We really don’t have a 4th or 5th rounder perculating in the system to come out of nowhere????

  127. Georges says:

    TBL losing at home to an Eddie Lack NJD team, WSH getting blown out by CHI, NSH losing at home to DET, BOS getting blown out by VAN.

    One nice thing to look forward to is that some of the contenders stumble and get nervous.

    (CGY management and coaching may feel it too. Didn’t want to put them in the contenders category. Feels wrong.)

  128. Georges says:

    OilClog:

    There’s two sides at work, a stubborn side refusing to believe their way isn’t the way, and a broken side that’s getting its head kicked in trying to do what is asked but know they’re defeated before it begins. Part gutting of skill, part what exactly is your goal coach?

    Nice.

  129. BONE207 says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): A speed bump is also known as a sleeping policeman in British English, Maltese English and Caribbean English, a judder bar in New Zealand English, and a lying-down policeman in Croatia, Slovenia and Russia.

    Not exactly sure what your point was but they call them that in England, too.

    Well my point at the time was just a vague comparison of this oiler team to a speed bump for other nhl teams.
    I never received the pleasure of watching the game due to out of town commitments but as many have posted above, the mood around here is going to get ugly. For that , however, I am thrilled. The vitriol laced banter usually spices up the reading pleasure.

  130. jtblack says:

    On the bright side, Lucic is tied for 205th in Goals Scored.

  131. Wilde says:

    jtblack: Well said. But I don`t see it?Safin?We really don’t have a 4th or 5th rounder perculating in the system to come out of nowhere????

    I mean Yamamoto could help, but he got 0 points in a 5-1 victory today so I’m thinking we have to inject him with 40lbs of synthol and invent stilt-skates.

  132. jtblack says:

    Wilde: I mean Yamamoto could help, but he got 0 points in a 5-1 victory today so I’m thinking we have to inject him with 40lbs of synthol and invent stilt-skates.

    He’s got 37 in his last 17 … so we give him a pass …. I am interested to see how he does at camp next year … He will have had 4 full WHL seaons, so as LT says, there is no use him going back to Spokane … AHL for 1 yr might be good for him, but with the Oilers so desperate at wing, I bet he plays the whole year in EDM

  133. jtblack says:

    HT Joe: Right – we forgot, OriginalPouzar is immune to criticism.

    Any criticism of OriginalPouzar’s comments, even when his comments are out of line, is an indictment of the poster’s character.

    Is that close?

    Before you follow through on your “maybe this is the last straw” threat to presumably leave the community, maybe consider this:Criticism doesn’t feel nice when 95% of what you do is pretty good, but you have a gaffe and everyone piles on.Wonder what it would feel like for Connor McDavid to know that fans don’t think he’s doing enough.

    sorry OP. but I have to +1 this comment . ..

  134. HT Joe says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Right – I forgot, McDavid is immune to critisism.

    Any critisism of his game, even when his effort is seemingly piss poor, is an indictment of the ooster’s character.

    How welcoming.

    Very disappointing comment.

    Maybe the last straw.

    “Maybe the last straw”? Whoah there… back off from the ledge.

    I agree that criticism is hard to take, when 95% of the time you do something very well. Most of your posts are very good, but you did make a couple of posts tonight which may seem questionable in hindsight (maybe even by tomorrow morning).

    Please keep this in mind: if you’re upset about people criticizing a couple of your posts tonight, despite the fact that you mostly post very thoughtful items, please imagine how crappy it would feel to be the best player on the planet, and yet still have fans criticizing you for not being more.

    Hope to see you keep posting (but hopefully not posting that McDavid should somehow be more or perfect).

    Take care friend.

  135. BONE207 says:

    Georges: It is strange. PC is quoted as saying he supports his HC but he doesn’t throw his HC a lifeline.

    Maybe PC is taking the long and risky way to getting rid of McLellan (a coach he didn’t hire) because he couldn’t take the short and sweet way at the start of the season when the team favored to reach the Finals (the team he put together) started badly.

    Or maybe Oilers HQ is as bonkers as guys on here keep saying it is.

    This sure as heck looks like an Eakins’ Spiral on our hands now.

    We can always get MacT to stand on the bench with TMac. Thank gord we hung on to that pick.

  136. HT Joe says:

    jtblack: sorry OP. but I have to +1 this comment . ..

    Hi JTBlack… if you don’t mind, could you please delete my quote above? After walking for about 5 seconds, I realized what a crappy post it was. Please see my more recent post, where I try to treat OriginalPouzar as a person, and not as an anonymous internet name. Please and thanks!

  137. JimmyV1965 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Right – I forgot, McDavid is immune to critisism.

    Any critisism of his game, even when his effort is seemingly piss poor, is an indictment of the ooster’s character.

    How welcoming.

    Very disappointing comment.

    Maybe the last straw.

    Shake it off OP. No biggie. Any thoughtful person does not think you’re running McDavid out of town. I agree he had a meh night and could have brought more to the table. But it’s the web and people tend to overreact occasionally to even the most innocuous comment. I think it’s safe to say McDavid is the one player who will never get run out of town. Many, many people here appreciate your comments.

  138. indianoil says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Right – I forgot, McDavid is immune to critisism.

    Any critisism of his game, even when his effort is seemingly piss poor, is an indictment of the ooster’s character.

    How welcoming.

    Very disappointing comment.

    Maybe the last straw.

    Wow! OP getting a lot of flak for saying Connor is not playing at his usual level. He never said that Connor is the only player underperforming. Sure the whole team – including the coach – needs to look in the mirror but the unfortunate part about being Connor is that we expect him to be the difference maker in every game. That is the burden the elite carry. Also being the captain, the troops look up to him for inspiration. Recall how the team played Tampa when he was flying? Yeah! it is not reasonable to expect him to repeat that every game but he does seem to be a bit down….
    Having said that, is he possibly carrying an niggling injury? He has not been very Connor like since the Anahiem game where I recall he had a couple of rough shifts with Kessler. Or is he sick again?
    We’ll get a better read tomorrow when he plays McCinnon.

  139. BONE207 says:

    HT Joe: Hi JTBlack… if you don’t mind, could you please delete my quote above?After walking for about 5 seconds, I realized what a crappy post it was.Please see my more recent post, where I try to treat OriginalPouzar as a person, and not as an anonymous internet name. Please and thanks!

    Well HT…it was a bit harsh but not over the top. You were, after all , defending Connor. You certainly turned it around on him. As happened over Hall or other beloved players, attacking those that are deservedly revered will not go unpunished in this place. Thicker skin & understanding will help all of us for the next few months. As for LT…it’ll be like herding cats…😁

  140. jtblack says:

    HT Joe: Hi JTBlack… if you don’t mind, could you please delete my quote above?After walking for about 5 seconds, I realized what a crappy post it was.Please see my more recent post, where I try to treat OriginalPouzar as a person, and not as an anonymous internet name. Please and thanks!

    It’s all good here. I respect OP. He loves the prospects and provides tons of good commentary. Just because I might disagree with him on the McDavid thing, doesn’t mean I disagree with him in entirety. It’s a blog full of opinions. IMHO I don’t believe there is a need to criticize Connor in game 58. That was all. Nothing maliciuous or mean. If I had to pick a team MVP, it’s Connor by a landslide. And I know that Connor has had poor games and will have poor games.

    Really, my intention is not to challenge OP as much as it is to stick up for Connor.

    Cheers,

  141. Gret99zky says:

    godot10:
    I think they need an interim coach for the rest of the year.The players need some fresh air and to be able to breath.

    I agree.

  142. Side says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Right – I forgot, McDavid is immune to critisism.

    Any critisism of his game, even when his effort is seemingly piss poor, is an indictment of the ooster’s character.

    How welcoming.

    Very disappointing comment.

    Maybe the last straw.

    It’s not that you can’t criticize McDavid, it’s that you choose to criticize him at the most bizarre times about the most bizarre things.

    When the whole team is not giving an effort, and you choose to pick on the best player on the team, it seems a bit bizarre.

  143. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    The best thing about Lowetide.ca is, with respect to its host, the posters here, which includes and begins with said host.

    Cheering for this sad sack team is what unites us here and although we each have our flavours and styles and also our likes and dislikes, what ultimately keeps us coming back is because we learn a lot on this corner of the interwebs–from each other and from ourselves.

    If you’ve posted here long enough, you’ve made a statement that later on makes you look like an ass. To err is human. I certainly have erred more than most, and we’ve all butted heads with someone from time to time.

    It’s just a shame because we care a lot and we are so frustrated. Posters like DSF and Caramel Batman/Obvious/Cassandra did not begin as Oiler haters. A dozen years of inept management led them there. We need those types of posters and Godots, just like we need posters like Original Pouzar.

    I admit to also being a curmudgeon at times and being annoyed with his perpetual optimism and 5 consecutive posts at 4am after his workouts telling us why we need to know about how well Cameron Hebig or some other long shot prospect is doing, but if I step back and think about it, without his optimism we’d be swinging perilously close to mass cliff jumping these days because the NHL squad is that damn bleak right now.

    Alas this time, he mentioned that McDavid also has to be better. And a lot of people jumped to McDavid’s defense and that’s fair. I think OP is defending himself, but he certainly doesn’t mean that Connor is to blame for the last two losses, and he wants to also point out the best player on the team needs to lead and be better. I think he is wrong in this instance, as do some of you. It would take a 10~20 game stretch of indifferent play for me to call someone out, but that’s just me. Connor, in my opinion, SHOULD get more rope than Lucic. And if you’re wondering why, it’s because for the prior 15 or so games Connor has been on fire and almost singlehandedly leading this team (with occasional help from Leon). He could not keep up a 2PPG pace, folks, that’s the reality.

    By the same token, we’re all sensitive because a lot of unwarranted vitriol was directed against Taylor Hall when he was here. He was anointed a saviour with H.O.P.E. and all that, and it wasn’t his fault the team still stunk–expectations were too high and he had Nikitin and the like playing D behind him and no vets to give him cover. We see him shining out of town and also Eberle to a lesser extent and some of us probably feel like asses about it. And we don’t want to see that happen with Connor, so we jump in to his defense right away.

    I bet if you asked OP in private did he really mean to call Connor out, he’d give a pretty reasoned answer.

    OP, by the same token, I think you have to also acknowledge why people are sensitive about Connor criticism because if we run him out of town we are done. Toast. I mean, we are turning into a career graveyard for bonafide NHL players. Are cast-offs are turning into stars around the league. Did you know David Perron has more assists than all Oilers bar McDavid this year?

    Hey, we got a 1st round pick for him, but then blew that chance on Reinhart instead of Barzal. We all feel shitty because of a decision management made.

    We need the OPs as much as we need Cassandra.

    Each poster, with almost no exception, has something worthwhile to contribute here (present writer excluded, perhaps, ha ha). So let’s guide ourselves back to the centre line, so LT doesn’t have to ask us to respect each other and so that we can keep this community going.

    Gords know this is the only thing holding us together right now in yet another toxic season.

    If you want to point fingers, though, let’s try our best not to point fingers at our best players (Leon, Connor) and let’s keep the focus on the guys who have not earned their salary. McDavid is still on his ELC, by the way. How many 3.775m players can you find on pace for 90 points? Yeah, thought so.

    🙂

  144. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    By the way, while I am ranting a bit, I want to add this:

    look at a team like the Winnipeg Jets–
    They have a similarly young team. But you know what they have that we don’t?

    Productive veterans.

    Wheeler, Little, Perreault.

    Byfuglien, Enstrom

    They give cover to let Scheifele, Laine, Ehlers, Connor, Trouba, Morrissey shine.

    Compare that to:
    Lucic, Maroon, Cammy, Letestu

    Sekera, Russell

    We’ve said ad nauseum the NHL is not a development league and yet time and again we are young and wet behind the ears, and the only veterans we have are unproductive players. It’s like Lucic is the Andrew Ference equivalent on forward–former Cup winning Bruin whose best years are well behind him now (or so it seems).

    You know who needs to fall on the sword for those horrible roster decisions? Management. Sorry, Pete, we gave you the benefit of the doubt for this long even though we questioned your decision-making because anyone could see we were losing the value battle every time you made a trade, but because the team was improving we sat and waited to see if it would last. Guess what, it hasn’t. And you have depleted this roster of much of the hard-earned lottery pick talent we suffered for a decade to accumulate. If you compound your brutal decision-making by moving out Nuge and Klef because you gave NMCs to Russell and Lucic then we should put your mug in front of the fucking Royal Canadian Air Farce Chicken Cannon (is that still at thing?) . You are the weakest link, goodbye.

    Irony of course is that Pete is the one who gave away Wheeler in the first place. Chia does a few things well. I think he hires good draft guys. He does well on minor trades. But boy has he ever lost a lot of big talent trades over the years and also butchered cap management.

  145. JimmyV1965 says:

    I’d be far more worried about the fan base running Drai out of town, rather than McDavid.

  146. OriginalPouzar says:

    McDavid is absolutely allowed to have an off-night even a bunch of off nights.

    I was not criticizing his performance.

    What I was criticizing was his apparent give a shit level. It looked to me like he was mailing it in – I didn’t see the effor there. No, he was not the only one, not even close. At the same time, he is the captain and I expect him to be fully engaged in the game, in particular when the team needs to be lead.

    What is even more disappointing is the fact that my critisism of his effort level “says more about me than the player” – an express shot on my character because my opinion is not agreed with, and by the community host – more disappointing than thr team’s performance and more demoralizing.

  147. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oh, and as for this “McDavid is becoming the new Hall” and “some posters are already there”, I never once questioned Hall’s effort or give a fuck level at any time he was an Oiler or after. I never once have said anything about Hall being a cancer, a problem in the dressing room or needing to go.

    I questioned McDavid’s effort level last night. From what I saw, his “give a fuck” level wasn’t where it needed to be and where is should be as the captain of a team in turmoil. He definitely wasn’t the only one but he is the captain and, frankly, its not the first time this year the captain has looked disengaged.

    Question my opinion, disagree with it – that’s fine and fair. Question or disparage my character because you disagree with it – for shame.

  148. OriginalPouzar says:

    Watching the Canada/S. Korea game and they mention the d-man, Alex Plante and I perk up.

    Sure enough it is The Alex Plante – from wikipedia:

    Alexandre Plante (born May 9, 1989) is a Canadian-South Korean professional ice hockey defenceman who is currently playing for Anyang Halla of the Asia League Ice Hockey (ALH). He was selected by the Edmonton Oilers 15th overall in the 2007 NHL Entry Draft and made his National Hockey League (NHL) debut in 2009–10.

  149. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Ah man, for what it’s worth I think you bring a ray of sunshine to this place. That said, there are so many other things we can criticize before we get to McDavid’s give a shit meter.

    I don’t think LT was making a personal attack on you. The only times I have ever seen that kind of thing it was a total misunderstanding. Sometimes written words are a lot harsher when read than their intent.

    I once totally unwittingly attacked LT when I wasn’t intending to do so in the slightest. I PM’d him and we cleared things up.

    I am certain he was not making a personal attack on you. He was just saying there is a lot to critique before we get to the one guy who, to most eyes, has brought his best effort night in and night out. Flu, injury, demoralizing season.

    You can count on one hand McDavid’s bad games this year. You love Draisaitl but he has had far more weak efforts than McDavid this year. Yes, he has good stats. And when he is engaged he is a beast. But both he and Connor are the solution, not the problem.

  150. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Oh, and as for this “McDavid is becoming the new Hall” and “some posters are already there”, I never once questioned Hall’s effort or give a fuck level at any time he was an Oiler or after.I never once have said anything about Hall being a cancer, a problem in the dressing room or needing to go.

    I questioned McDavid’s effort level last night.From what I saw, his “give a fuck” level wasn’t where it needed to be and where is should be as the captain of a team in turmoil.He definitely wasn’t the only one but he is the captain and, frankly, its not the first time this year the captain has looked disengaged.

    Question my opinion, disagree with it – that’s fine and fair. Question or disparage my character because you disagree with it – for shame.

    I am reasonably sure the McDavid is becoming the new Hall comments were not directed at you specifically. Certainly mine weren’t. I was using that example to explain to you why you were getting that sort of angry reaction. No one said you made bad comments about Hall.

  151. flyfish1168 says:

    The best thing about last evening is the F-in phlegms lost and kings ducks and wild picked up points.

  152. OilClog says:

    Mcdavid can coast until summer, he can literally turn the puck over every time he touches it and not score a single point. If it wasn’t for Mcdavid this season the Oilers may have 5 victories.. Mcdavid is allowed off nights at this point. There’s nothing to play for when you’re battling out the basement with Arizona.

    OP, you have been throwing dirt at Mcdavid for weeks. Your target is wrong.

    This team scored 0 goals yet again but let’s criticize the only reason the Oilers have any relevance, madness. People are going to react, they’re going to strike back. Don’t get hurt feelings when the masses lay into you for unwarranted complaints about Mcdavid, it’s not going to be tolerated or accepted.

  153. russ99 says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    By the way, while I am ranting a bit, I want to add this:

    look at a team like the Winnipeg Jets–
    They have a similarly young team. But you know what they have that we don’t?

    Productive veterans.

    Wheeler, Little, Perreault.

    Byfuglien, Enstrom

    They give cover to let Scheifele, Laine, Ehlers, Connor, Trouba, Morrissey shine.

    Compare that to:
    Lucic, Maroon, Cammy, Letestu

    Sekera, Russell

    We’ve said ad nauseum the NHL is not a development league and yet time and again we are young and wet behind the ears, and the only veterans we have are unproductive players. It’s like Lucic is the Andrew Ference equivalent on forward–former Cup winning Bruin whose best years are well behind him now (or so it seems).

    You know who needs to fall on the sword for those horrible roster decisions? Management. Sorry, Pete, we gave you the benefit of the doubt for this long even though we questioned your decision-making because anyone could see we were losing the value battle every time you made a trade, but because the team was improving we sat and waited to see if it would last. Guess what, it hasn’t. And you have depleted this roster of much of the hard-earned lottery pick talent we suffered for a decade to accumulate. If you compound your brutal decision-making by moving out Nuge and Klef because you gave NMCs to Russell and Lucic then we should put your mug in front of the fucking Royal Canadian Air Farce Chicken Cannon (is that still at thing?) . You are the weakest link, goodbye.

    Irony of course is that Pete is the one who gave away Wheeler in the first place. Chia does a few things well. I think he hires

    They also have a veteran defensive oriented third line that limits the damage of the opposition toughs, something we could have too if we weren’t so in love with 80s hockey, three scoring lines, etc.

  154. Jethro Tull says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    McDavid is absolutely allowed to have an off-night even a bunch of off nights.

    I was not criticizing his performance.

    What I was criticizing was his apparent give a shit level.It looked to me like he was mailing it in – I didn’t see the effor there.No, he was not the only one, not even close.At the same time, he is the captain and I expect him to be fully engaged in the game, in particular when the team needs to be lead.

    What is even more disappointing is the fact that my critisism of his effort level “says more about me than the player” – an express shot on my character because my opinion is not agreed with, and by the community host – more disappointing than thr team’s performance and more demoralizing.

    Well, you gave an express shot at McDavid’s character because you didn’t agree with his performance. You must run this through the filter of “would this be acceptable for my boss or coworkers to say to me?”

    “Jeez OP, you made the company $17M in the last 11 days, but yesterday you broke even. Go look in the mirror.”

    So what is your established amount of ‘give a damn/60’?

    Hall? This reminds me more of Hemsky.

  155. Professor Q says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    McDavid needs to look in the mirror himself – his effort level has been as inconsistent as anyone else and its not acceptable.

    I’ve been saying this since the second game that you can visually see the games where he doesn’t give effort vs. the games where he does. Yes, we’re spoiled that we can see the diffetence between excellence and game-taking play vs. “Just Great” play, but seriously it’s always a concern with non-vocal leaders.

    I always get shyte on for that. But even McDavid has low-effort nights. And I mean, with the amount of mauling and hacking and slashing he endures without the refs or league backing him up (in fact the opposite, screwing him and the goalies), it’s understandable. Just need to take it to the league now. Screw them right back.

    I wish I knew how though. Even fans not watching or paying wouldn’t affect the league that much. McDavid just seems so frustrated with other teams letting to use him as a sack that he seems to get exasperated and forget the refs. But now he’s pouncing on opportunities to throw shade on them whenever he can, with his actions on the ice (albeit without breaking things and yelling at them).

    And honestly he isn’t becoming the new Hall or the new Hemsky. Not with this fanbase. Toronto fans would love that and pounce on that.

    That would be Draisaitl, Nurse, Klefbom, even Lucic and Russell before McDavid.

    Draisaitl obviously having the Horcoff Effect© as well.

  156. OilClog says:

    The coach not standing up for Talbs last night should be the last straw, this guy goes not have his players back.

    Todd even if you think the damn Arizona goal is good, you back your damn goaltender up! You fight for your team! You get on that mic and call the league, officials, sponsors, people that criticize Mcdavid the fuck out!

    You’re the coach, the culture leader, the man in charge! Back up your troops you sorry SOB!

    This veteran coach is lost, his tactics are lost, his attention to detail is lost, his ability to properly assess a situation is lost. Your damn team lost another game on goalie interference calls and you hold a pressed after the game like that.. you literally lost the game on two exact plays you self absorbed fuck!

    This guy can resign now, he’s a plague.

  157. Professor Q says:

    OilClog,

    Yeah, I thought for the first few times it happened it’d be acceptable, as a coach, to play that card.

    But after the 18th Non Goal call, numerous Non Calls on McDavid-Attacks, and even other penalties on other Oilers, while the same calls come aplenty for other teams, Talbot and others showing frustration, etc., then the complacency and sheepishness should have been out the window long ago.

    Even if he’s subtly shaded the refs and the league a few times, I don’t think it was enough, obviously. Things seem broken and it sucks being only one year removed from the joy being back.

  158. OilClog says:

    Mcdavid can’t be superhuman 82 games a year, he wasn’t when he was a MVP. People expect 5pts a night and 82 victories or it’s time to go and hate yourself in a mirror for what you’ve become.

    In a week, stories will be rolling out Mcdavid is the last one out, first one off the ice for practice.

    Like wtf is a Mcdavid low effort night lol he’s always, every single game he’s the most impactful player on the ice. Still skating circles around everyone when he’s in ”low effort” mode.

    God damn Mcdavid got sideburns

  159. OilClog says:

    Professor Q:
    OilClog,

    Yeah, I thought for the first few times it happened it’d be acceptable, as a coach, to play that card.

    But after the 18th Non Goal call, numerous Non Calls on McDavid-Attacks, and even other penalties on other Oilers, while the same calls come aplenty for other teams, Talbot and others showing frustration, etc., then the complacency and sheepishness should have been out the window long ago.

    They literally go from Dadbot having a breakdown to the coach saying, meh thought it was ok, meh we lost another review. Meh maybe we can figure out how to fight through it. Meh meh meh meh meh

    Meh – TMac’s 2017/18 coaching systems. Meh101

  160. Professor Q says:

    OilClog: They literally go from Dadbot having a breakdown to the coach saying, meh thought it was ok, meh we lost another review. Meh maybe we can figure out how to fight through it. Meh meh meh meh meh

    Meh – TMac’s 2017/18 coaching systems. Meh101

    The other issue is management but it isn’t just Chiarelli.

  161. OilClog says:

    Professor Q: The other issue is management but it isn’t just Chiarelli.

    That’s a different topic, last night was about a coach that showed his true colours. This coach does not have his teams back, this coach had a chance to bring his troops together and instead drove the bus over them.

    After Last nights performance the one looking in the mirror should be the coach.

    the mirror should have Skype installed into it, after last nights embarrassing fend for yourself TMac presser, he deserves nothing less. Pack this asshole into centennial mall and fire it into the sun.

  162. Jethro Tull says:

    Guys, I think there is a disparity here between lack of effort and having the other team’s entire defensive game plan being ‘stop McDavid by any means necessary.

    If we had anymore even moderately dangerous players for the opposition to worry about, then you might see his ‘effort’ level increase.

    Otherwise, provide evidence that McDavid does slack off or it’s just ‘seen him bad’ with confirmation bias.

  163. flyfish1168 says:

    I love the fact Talbot went off on the Toronto base situation room. It is time someone calls them out. No consistency at all. I wonder what the leafs record is with the situation room

  164. OriginalPouzar says:

    Expecting full effort and give a shit every night is not the same as expecting full performance, dominance and supernova.

    Effort and results are not the same.

    One should not have to be questioned but, unfortunately, it is.

    The comments have nothing to do with how he played and his results, the comments have everything to do with his effort level.

    There is an enormous difference between the two and some (many) are equating questioning lack of effort with being upset at lack of results/performance – not even close to the same thing.

    I’m fine when if people want to disagree with my opinion and premise, that is what forum/community discourse is all about. Of course, questioning McDavid’s effort level is going to be met with opposition.

    On the other hand, questioning my character, “what is says about me” is not acceptable, in particular coming from the source of the comments.

    Anyways, I’m moving on from this conversation.

  165. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Right – I forgot, McDavid is immune to critisism.

    Any critisism of his game, even when his effort is seemingly piss poor, is an indictment of the ooster’s character.

    How welcoming.

    Very disappointing comment.

    Maybe the last straw.

    *crosses fingers*

  166. Jethro Tull says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Mate, you said what you said, and you were wrong. Own it. It isn’t a big deal to be wrong now and then. I should know, I’m wrong a lot and don’t think it’s a big deal.

  167. OriginalPouzar says:

    Woodguy v2.0: *crosses fingers*

    Seriously? You are going to be an express asshole?

  168. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jethro Tull:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Mate, you said what you said, and you were wrong. Own it. It isn’t a big deal to be wrong now and then. I should know, I’m wrong a lot and don’t think it’s a big deal.

    My opinion is not wrong, its an opinion.

    I think McDavid’s effort was poor last night and it has been at various times throughout the year.

    Questioning effort level and questioning performance/results are not the same.

    I don’t expect performance/results nightly, even from 97, I do expect full effort every night and it wasn’t there last night.

  169. Jethro Tull says:

    OriginalPouzar: My opinion is not wrong, its an opinion.

    I think McDavid’s effort was poor last night and it has been at various times throughout the year.

    Questioning effort level and questioning performance/results are not the same.

    I don’t expect performance/results nightly, even from 97, I do expect full effort every night and it wasn’t there last night.

    Whoever told you opinions can’t be right or wrong?

    I feel we’ve reached a philosophical impasse. I’m not sure you’re sure you know what point you’re making.

    And I charged you with providing evidence of effort level. You made the opinion. You have burden of proof.

  170. hags9k says:

    OriginalPouzar:

    I don’t expect performance/results nightly, even from 97, I do expect full effort every night and it wasn’t there last night.

    I agree his effort last night was not top drawer. I made a comment yesterday to that effect.

    I disagree that we can expect a full effort every game. Long schedule, it’s just not physically/mentally possible for any player, in my opinion.

    I really can’t blame 97 for checking out, but my point was that the whole organization can’t expect the fans not to head to the exits too.

  171. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    I think Japan is better than Canada at hockey.

    That is my opinion.

    I am also wrong.

    This is just to illustrate that opinions can be wrong. 🙂

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