G58 2017-18: Oilers at Avalanche

The Oilers are now at six losses in a row and things that should be happening—Jesse Puljujarvi 18 minutes a night—are not yet taking place. I’m not certain Peter Chiarelli will be here in the fall, nor Todd McLellan, but Jesse Puljujarvi is an important part of the future. Not playing him now makes no sense at all.

Even in a losing season there can be good things, and JP finding his way as an NHL player would be a huge development for this organization. Puljujarvi is averaging 14 minutes a night since the All-Star break (seven games), with zero points.

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 SOME DAYS ARE DIAMONDS, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • February 2016: 3-5-0, goal differential -3 (6 points)
  • February 2017: 4-4-0, goal differential -2 (8 points)
  • February 2018: 1-6-1, goal differential -9 (3 points)
  • February 18, 2016: Minnesota 5, Edmonton 2 (Source)
  • February 22, 2017: Edmonton 4, Florida 3 (Source)

Yesterday was one of this team’s better efforts this month, Cam Talbot played well and then went off on the goal review process (welcome outburst, although I’d suggest the calls were correct). We’re now at six games in a row lost, I think this team can hit 10 without a sweat.

 AFTER 57, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers 15-16: 22-29-6, goal differential -36 (50 points)
  • Oilers 16-17: 30-19-8, goal differential +15 (68 points)
  • Oilers 17-18: 23-30-4, goal differential -32 (50 points)
  • February 16, 2016: Anaheim 5, Edmonton 3 (Source)
  • February 16, 2017: Edmonton 6, Philadelphia 3 (Source)
 If I’m Daryl Katz, this is the point where all bets are off. How can you suggest to Oilers fans progress is being made if this group can’t get past the 15-16 team? No sir. There are 25 games left, I think management and coaching staff are going to need 30 points from that schedule in order to have a chance to retain employment. This is serious damned stuff here, people are going to lose their jobs. Sobering moment for the franchise.

 WHAT TO EXPECT FROM FEBRUARY?

  • At home to: Colorado, Tampa Bay (Expected 0-1-1) (Actual 1-0-1)
  • On the road to: Los AngelesAnaheimSan Jose (Expected 1-1-1) (Actual 0-3-0)
  • At home to: Florida (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • On the road to: Vegas, Arizona, Colorado (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 0-2-0)
  • At home to: Boston, Colorado (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Los Angeles, Anaheim, San Jose (Expected 0-2-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 5-6-3, 13 points in 14 games
  • Current results: 1-5-1, three points in eight games 

Oilers were 17-17-2 on Boxing Day and are 6-13-2 since then. What happened? Injuries, communication and the Oilers long established tradition of addressing very little during the season. The Oilers have many millions in cap space, but no deadline urgency. All dressed up with no place to go. What a bitter pill for all. I don’t think the players gave up but do wonder if there was ever a point where management felt some urge to add some help. Peter Chiarelli may never get a chance to add at a deadline for Edmonton. It’s very difficult to suggest he had a handle on this team at any time during the season.

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

  • Nurse-Larsson were 17-12 in 14:46 together, 5-2 HDSC’s. Nurse transports the puck so well, seems to be the only blue who remembers to do it these days. Larsson’s steady play was missed, this pairing was 10-4 in 4:40 with McDavid. Went 8-1 against Perlini-Stepan-Keller. Pairing had 11 DZ starts.
  • Klefbom-Russell went 20-14 in 14:34 together, seven D-zone starts. Elliotte Friedman has mentioned shutting down Klefbom several times, but I think he’s playing his best hockey of the season. Klefbom led the team with two rebounds created (all of this via NaturalStatTrick) 5×5. Went 8-9 against Martinook-Richardson-Cousins, 6-5 against the Stepan line.
  • Auvitu-Davidson went 8-11, 0-1 GF in 11:28. Pairing even got an OZ push (5O, 3D) but it didn’t work out. I am a fan of both defensemen, don’t know if I like them together as they are kind of an odd couple. Went 5-3 against Domi-Panik-Rieder.
  • Cam Talbot stopped 31 of 32, .969. Strong game by the goalie. That is a very good sign.
  • NaturalStatTrick and NHL.com.

FORWARDS, LAST NIGHT

  • Caggiula-Letestu-Kassian were 8-4 last night, the game was in good hands with this trio on the ice. All three fourth liners performed on special teams, that’s important. Of course, you need to win games doing it but this line performed well enough to get another turn.
  • Maroon-McDavid-Draisaitl went 9-8, 0-1 GF and 3-4 in high danger scoring chances. One of the stories we’ll be talking about in the spring is deployment, a lot of that discussion surrounding Leon. I don’t have an answer, he’s a strong option at RW, where the team is weak, while also being a helluva center.
  • Cammalleri-Draisaitl-Strome went 6-4 (Cammalleri) and 9-3 (Strome). I don’t know how Strome didn’t score he had some fabulous looks. I like a player who gets himself into that many scoring positions but he also needs to cash. Interesting 10 days in regard to this player.
  • Lucic-Khaira-Puljujarvi went 8-10 and the wingers sat for a time. HDSC’s were 2-1, I wonder if ML sits against his former team back here next week. It’s a tough season for him but there are expectations of success he hasn’t met. Jon’s item at The Athletic is very informative about the why and how, highly recommend it. As for Puljujarvi, I have an opinion. More in a minute.
  • Anton Slepyshev went 8-6 with McDavid, that combination looked good to me. Showcase? Islanders have been following Edmonton this week.

I’ve no quarrel with the words of Mr. Talbot, it’s a mess and seems completely arbitrary. However, the Oilers do have a tendency to drive opponents into their goaltender and that’s one way to alter the call. Steve Lansky and Bruce McCurdy both mentioned this outburst should have come from the coach and I tend to agree with it, but don’t really know the politics involved. Does this kind of public stance help? I’m not sure it does.

JESSE PULJUJARVI

Jesse Puljujarvu has scored 1.77 points-per-60 while playing with Connor McDavid this season, 12.11 shots-per-60 and this is all 5×5 via NaturalStatTrick. The season is lost, but the young phenom is not playing with a high-skill center. I don’t understand. The reasons could include the coach not trusting player, or the players not developing chem on the ice. The numbers suggest that McDavid-Puljujarvi is a promising combination. Why aren’t we seeing it?

It could be due to the trade deadline, Slepyshev is getting a push and Maroon’s value might be increased if he goes off and scores three on a line with 97 and 29. That said, it’s very important for the organization to put the young Finn in a position to succeed. If he’s not solid enough without the puck for the McDavid line, then Leon Draisaitl should be the option.

The Oilers have been doing curious things with the roster all season long and it continues through these games leading up to the deadline.

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  1. Mr. D. says:

    Sad thing is 97 and 29 is 90% of our offense. Not sustainable!

  2. Jethro Tull says:

    Very disinterested hattie from McDavid there.

  3. Side says:

    If McDavid gave a fuck out there he coulda had 4.

  4. Jethro Tull says:

    Confused:
    Way to go Connor inspired by OP

    Let’s start trading the non-core, that is everybody not in the Connor group

    Yeah, he must be a poster here….but who?

  5. OriginalPouzar says:

    trencan: pick

    The prospects I mentioned from the Jets?

    That pick would be around 20th at the highest (if the Jets lose in the 1st round) and could be as low as 31st.

    Normally I would agree with you about taking picks but I think this year in particular management needs to try and get an NHL-ready prospect on his ELC that’s been peculating in the AHL.

    From accounts, the Jets have a few NHL ready prospect that are doing very well in the AHL – they are simply blocked.

    No guarantees they make the team next year but we definitely could use some value contracts on their ELCs entering the lineup next year.

  6. OriginalPouzar says:

    That was a fun game to watch.

    Boys played very well on the road against a good team on the back end of back to backs.

    More than anything, that is two plus games in a row by Cam Talbot – two games where he played like he did last season.

    This might be the beginning of him coming out of it and that would be great heading in to next season.

  7. BONE207 says:

    Side:
    If McDavid gave a fuck out there he coulda had 4.

    If they’d pay him more, he’d score more.

  8. HT Joe says:

    Mr. D.:
    Sad thing is 97 and 29 is 90% of our offense. Not sustainable!

    It’s sustainable if the rest of the team continues to not score much.

    So that’s McDavid’s 3rd hat trick of the season, and his second of February. No other Oiler has had a hat trick this season. What a tremendous player on a poor team.

  9. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    So CMD is back to 3rd in points again (albeit tied with Malkin and Giroux)

    Damn Kucherov is still 8 points up on CMD…

  10. Pescador says:

    Melvis:
    Pescador,

    Cut the plug off. Leave some slack. Thread bare wire through weiner. Re twist tie the bare wire. Plug it back in. Turn on the lamp. Stand back. 2-3 seconds oughta do it.

    Hahaha, omg
    Moar electric Wieners please

  11. Professor Q says:

    Wow. The announcers really thought Slepyshev did something egregious to Johnson there at first? When Comeau slashed him in the groin and then Johnson went for a high cross-check and got what he deserved by a defensive Slepy?

    Sheesh.

  12. Jethro Tull says:

    Pescador: Hahaha, omg
    Moar electric Wieners please

    As a journeyman electrician, I feel compelled to tell all that this is the best way to cook a wiener.

  13. who says:

    trencan:
    OriginalPouzar,

    I would rather take 1st round pick than of of those prospects you mentioned. With first round pick this year you have very high chance to draft player of higher caliber. So for meit is Roslovic/Vesalainen or 1st round pick….

    Don’t think anyone is offering a first for Maroon. Not if they have scouts watching him play.
    The choice will be a second rounder or someone like Petan.

  14. Professor Q says:

    Crazy Pedestrian:
    So CMD is back to 3rd in points again (albeit tied with Malkin and Giroux)

    Damn Kucherov is still 8 points up on CMD…

    No matter how close McDavid gets, Kuch seems to widen the gap in a flash. It’s shocking, really. If McDavid manages to surpass him, however, he’ll deserve thunderous applause, and then some.

  15. littleenglish says:

    Jethro Tull: As a journeyman electrician, I feel compelled to tell all that this is the best way to cook a wiener.

    Do you mean this method will cook two wieners at once?

  16. trencan says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Yes, but doing well in AHL doesnt mean you will be good for NHL. And if you didnt play 3 years after draft in NHL, something is wrong. You can be maybe good for 4th line (or lets say 3rd line at best) on NHL level. So I believe you have better chance to find higher quality on the draft this year. The question is, do you want 3/4 line player now or top 2 line player in the future…. It is about priorities…

  17. Lowetide says:

    littleenglish: Do you mean this method will cook two wieners at once?

    Are we talking about Leon’s wingers?

  18. BONE207 says:

    littleenglish: Do you mean this method will cook two wieners at once?

    Well it would in Europe

  19. littleenglish says:

    Lowetide: Are we talking about Leon’s wingers?

    If it means turning them into Frankfurter and Bratwurst, then yes. Maybe we’ll see some chemistry

  20. Professor Q says:

    BONE207: Well it would in Europe

    What if they’re non-migratory?

  21. Professor Q says:

    littleenglish: If it means turning them into Frankfurter and Bratwurst, then yes.Maybe we’ll see some chemistry

    Berliner on defence, too.

  22. trencan says:

    who,

    I agree Maroon is not worth 1st round pick but on trade deadline some teams just overpay. This would not be first time in history….

  23. BONE207 says:

    Professor Q: What if they’re non-migratory?

    Beef wieners only please

  24. Bank Shot says:

    trencan:
    who,

    I agree Maroon is not worth 1st round pick but on trade deadline some teams just overpay. This would not be first time in history….

    Paul Gaustad landed Buffalo a first at the deadline and Maroon has outstanding playoff stats.

    I’d say its possible.

  25. OriginalPouzar says:

    BONE207:
    Imagine what he could do if he gave a shit. How many points since Christmas & what %?

    He played with very little effort and emotion yesterday by my eye – his “give a shit” level was low. He was not the only one but he is the captain and it was worth a mention as at it was not the only occurrence recently.

    He can’t always produce, he can’t always get results but what he does have the ability to control is his own effort level and, by my eye, it was lacking yesterday.

    It was not lacking today – by my eye, he was engaged from the opening whistle and his effort was rewarded in the 2nd half of the game.

    Great game by the captain.

  26. OriginalPouzar says:

    Mr. D.:
    Sad thing is 97 and 29 is 90% of our offense. Not sustainable!

    75% tonight – Strome had the game winner and could have had a few.

    I thought Strome and Cammy were buzzing in the offensive zone most of the night and they got a big goal.

  27. OriginalPouzar says:

    Samorukov with an assist late in the 2nd.

    Big goal, pulls the Storm within 2 heading to the 3rd period.

    He’s plus one while his team is down 3-1.

  28. Zelepukin says:

    trencan:
    who,

    I agree Maroon is not worth 1st round pick but on trade deadline some teams just overpay. This would not be first time in history….

    One can dream. Having said that, I agree that if you’ve watched him play, no way you give up a first. This is Maroon’s production, playing with the best player in the world. It’s a safe bet to make that his impact is going to be even less on any other team.

  29. Pescador says:

    BONE207: Beef wieners only please

    I actually prefer a mix
    Celebration wieners taste so much better then deflation wieners

  30. HT Joe says:

    OriginalPouzar: He played with very little effort and emotion yesterday by my eye – his “give a shit” level was low. He was not the only one but he is the captain and it was worth a mention as at it was not the only occurrence recently.
    He can’t always produce, he can’t always get results but what he does have the ability to control is his own effort level and, by my eye, it was lacking yesterday.

    Come on man… please drop this.

    You cannot possibly know what McDavid’s “give a shit” level is. Maybe he was dehydrated, maybe he was under the weather, maybe he’s mentally worn down. But asserting that you know what’s going on inside his head, and that it’s not good enough, is character assassination of the Oiler’s best player.

    You didn’t seem happy when several posters defended McDavid yesterday in response to your comments, but if you keep attacking McDavid’s character, you need to prepare yourself for ongoing harsh responses.

  31. flyfish1168 says:

    Bank Shot: Paul Gaustad landed Buffalo a first at the deadline and Maroon has outstanding playoff stats.

    I’d say its possible.

    More buyers than sellers this year will drive the price up.

  32. OriginalPouzar says:

    Professor Q:
    Wow. The announcers really thought Slepyshev did something egregious to Johnson there at first? When Comeau slashed him in the groin and then Johnson went for a high cross-check and got what he deserved by a defensive Slepy?

    Sheesh.

    I’m still not sure exactly what happened to Johnson?

  33. OriginalPouzar says:

    who: Don’t think anyone is offering a first for Maroon. Not if they have scouts watching him play.
    The choice will be a second rounder or someone like Petan.

    I think I’d prefer Petan to the Jets first round which, at best (if they lose first round) is about 20th and very could well be close to 30th.

    I’d prefer Appelton or Lemeiux.

  34. Bank Shot says:

    HT Joe: Come on man… please drop this.

    You cannot possibly know what McDavid’s “give a shit” level is.Maybe he was dehydrated, maybe he was under the weather, maybe he’s mentally worn down.But asserting that you know what’s going on inside his head, and that it’s not good enough, is character assassination of the Oiler’s best player.

    You didn’t seem happy when several posters defended McDavid yesterday in response to your comments, but if you keep attacking McDavid’s character, you need to prepare yourself for ongoing harsh responses.

    McDavid always gives maximum effort in the offensive end of the rink.

    He sometimes goes into glide mode in the defensive half. Do people really not see this?

    He might be the best player in the world already, but if he gave maximum effort all over the rink, he could just be blowing everyone else completely out of the water.

    He could be a 100 point Patrice Bergeron if he sets his mind to it. That’s a player I want to see McDavid turn into.

  35. OriginalPouzar says:

    trencan:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Yes, but doing well in AHL doesnt mean you will be good for NHL. And if you didnt play 3 years after draft in NHL, something is wrong. You can be maybe good for 4th line (or lets say 3rd line at best) on NHL level.So I believe you have better chance to find higher quality on the draft this year. The question is, do you want 3/4 line player now or top 2 line player in the future…. It is about priorities…

    I don’t disagree with you, generally, however, I think a guy like Appelton is a bit different. He was drafted out of the USHL and then played a couple of years of college. He’s only played on year in the AHL and is doing very well. I think he may be NHL ready and still has middle 6 potential.

    No guarantees, of course, however the same can be said of a late 1st round pick.

  36. Professor Q says:

    Bank Shot: McDavid always gives maximum effort in the offensive end of the rink.

    He sometimes goes into glide mode in the defensive half. Do people really not see this?

    He might be the best player in the world already, but if he gave maximum effort all over the rink, he could just be blowing everyone else completely out of the water.

    He could be a 100 point Patrice Bergeron if he sets his mind to it. That’s a player I want to see McDavid turn into.

    He also goes into glide mode in the offensive side of the rink at times. I’ve noticed he hangs back. Sometimes he saunters to the goal and taps the puck into the goalie (slowly, sometimes one-handed). It obviously makes him look like he gave up or isn’t interested during those times.

    Maybe he’s anticipating being hacked and slashed and wants to give his teamates room to breathe or wants to avoid getting sandwiched by three players, but he does do it.

    Doesn’t mean he isn’t great. Doesn’t mean he can’t be better. Doesn’t mean people want him gone except on other teams. He’s 21 years old and the mistakes we notice are very minor because he’s that great, and they’re workable mistakes or tweaks etc.

    Now that he’s showing how good he can be at shooting and deception, he’s already upped his elite-level play to another level. He’ll continue to raise the bar every time he plays.

  37. Munny says:

    I just walked into my hotel room (I’m seeing clients in Fairview tomorrow morning) and for some reason the lamp doesn’t work, and the sink doesn’t drain…

    WTF?

    Is it safe to turn on the television?

  38. Jethro Tull says:

    Bank Shot: McDavid always gives maximum effort in the offensive end of the rink.

    He sometimes goes into glide mode in the defensive half. Do people really not see this?

    He might be the best player in the world already, but if he gave maximum effort all over the rink, he could just be blowing everyone else completely out of the water.

    He could be a 100 point Patrice Bergeron if he sets his mind to it. That’s a player I want to see McDavid turn into.

    A pox on your post, sir! I’d rather see him as a 120pt McDavid. But sure. Let’s turn him into Patrice Bergeron.

    Aim higher. Always.

    Good day, and blast yer eyes!

  39. Professor Q says:

    Munny:
    I just walked into my hotel room (I’m seeing clients in Fairview tomorrow morning) and for some reason the lamp doesn’t work, and the sink doesn’t drain…

    WTF?

    Is it safe to turn on the television?

    Check the register…

  40. Side says:

    Bank Shot: McDavid always gives maximum effort in the offensive end of the rink.

    He sometimes goes into glide mode in the defensive half. Do people really not see this?

    He might be the best player in the world already, but if he gave maximum effort all over the rink, he could just be blowing everyone else completely out of the water.

    He could be a 100 point Patrice Bergeron if he sets his mind to it. That’s a player I want to see McDavid turn into.

    A 21 year old sometimes does some things wrong and he’s being called out for effort level.

    This fanbase is wild.

    “McDavid, sometimes you glide through the defensive zone. Can you give your maximum effort and be better please? Oh by the way, happy 21st birthday.”

    Was 21 year old Patrice Bergeron really better than 21 year old McDavid in the defensive zone?

  41. thehop says:

    Bank Shot: McDavid always gives maximum effort in the offensive end of the rink.

    He sometimes goes into glide mode in the defensive half. Do people really not see this?

    He might be the best player in the world already, but if he gave maximum effort all over the rink, he could just be blowing everyone else completely out of the water.

    He could be a 100 point Patrice Bergeron if he sets his mind to it. That’s a player I want to see McDavid turn into.

    You do realize him “gliding” (still twice as good as the next best skater on the ice) in the neutral zone or the defensive zone IS a 100 point Patrice Bergeron right?!

  42. Professor Q says:

    Jethro Tull: A pox on your post, sir! I’d rather see him as a 120pt McDavid. But sure. Let’s turn him into Patrice Bergeron.

    Aim higher. Always.

    Good day, and blast yer eyes!

    What if he becomes Patriconner McBergeron?

  43. Jethro Tull says:

    Munny:
    I just walked into my hotel room (I’m seeing clients in Fairview tomorrow morning) and for some reason the lamp doesn’t work, and the sink doesn’t drain…

    WTF?

    Is it safe to turn on the television?

    Going to the Aurora tonight? Good curry place in Fairview.

  44. thehop says:

    Professor Q: Check the register…

    I strongly advise checking for a corpse under the bed as well.

  45. Jethro Tull says:

    Professor Q: What if he becomes Patriconner McBergeron?

    Well, okay, but that’s an expensive lettering job on the shirt.

  46. Woogie63 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Oilers’s GF% with star player off the ice since Hall’s rookie year:
    Hall Off Ice GF%
    10/11 43.6%
    11/12 42.9%
    12/13 43.3%
    13/14 38.7%
    14/15 36.1%

    Hall and McDavid Off Ice
    15/1633.9%

    McDavid Off Ice GF%
    16/17 48.9%
    17/18 42.9%

    That friends and neighbours is what a team wandering in the desert looks like.

    When McDavid is off the ice the decade of darkness levels of play creep in.

    And this is just 5v5 so the horrific special teams aren’t accounted for………..

    Here’s the Oilers GF% with their star on the ice, same years:

    Hall On Ice GF%
    10/11 45.7%
    11/12 51.9%
    12/13 53.9%
    13/14 47.4%
    14/15 52.8%
    15/16 51.8%

    McDavid On Ice GF%
    15/1650.7%
    16/17 62.1%
    17/18 57.7%

    Oilers have been blessed with 2 franchise players during this time, one of them generational.

    They haven’t been able to cobble together a team to play with them though……..

    Finally, here’s the difference those star players made to the GF%.

    This is star player GF% ON – star player GF% OFF

    Hall On-Off Ice GF%
    10/11 +2.0%
    11/12 +9.0%
    12/13 +10.6%
    13/14 +8.7%
    14/15 +16.7%
    15/16 +11.8%

    McDavid On-Off Ice GF%
    15/16+10.2%
    16/17 +13.2%
    17/18 +14.8%

    The level of ineptitude it takes to waste two franchise talents, one generational, is mind boggling.

    Fire Heritage Mall.

    WG, not trolling here, I really appreciate how you contribute here;

    I am not sure on your thought process…

    Year 1 – worst team in the NHL …picks 1st
    Year 2 – 1st overall plays with the few vets, from Ly’s worst team ….shouldn’t he contribute to a higher %GF?

    The Oilers changed their plan so many times when Hall played here…

  47. OriginalPouzar says:

    This is pretty funny:

    “When they pulled their goalie the second time, (Mike Cammalleri) looked back and said ‘Coach, there’s a bunch of us here who haven’t scored in 20 games.’ I told him ‘I can’t put eight guys on the ice.’ — Oilers coach Todd McLellan

  48. VOR says:

    I don’t know how many people read my post in response to Jimmy asking what we all do as GM.

    I traded Mark Letestu to Pittsburgh for a 4th, a 7th round pick to Detroit for the player formerly known as Matt Puempel, Patty Maroon to Boston for Zach Senyshen, and Ryan Strome to Arizona for Jens Looke.

    Add to that I am trading Cammalleri to Boston for a 6th.

    Then I am waiting to see if there is any interest in Slepyshev and Cagguila. If not I will try to resign them this summer.

    Not knowing where the Oilers are going to finish in the draft lottery means I have had to game many scenarios.

    I have decided if we win the lottery and get 1OV we are keeping the pick and choosing Rasmus Dahlin.

    My gaming scenarios has convinced me 2nd or 3rd is far more likely. If that is the case and Detroit is 7 or 8 I am going to trade down and maybe out all together. My first option is I trade 2 for 7, Andreas Athanasiou, and Detroit’s 2 second rounders.

    More to follow.

  49. Wilde says:

    I think the only way for McDavid to escape effort-based criticism is for him to get dumber, slower, and less talented, because then he’d have to hustle harder to get to the right spot, and try harder to pull off the right play.

  50. who says:

    OriginalPouzar: I think I’d prefer Petan to the Jets first round which, at best (if they lose first round) is about 20th and very could well be close to 30th.

    I’d prefer Appelton or Lemeiux.

    Haven’t seen Appleton. With limited viewings I prefer Petan to Lemieux.

  51. Side says:

    Wilde:
    I think the only way for McDavid to escape effort-based criticism is for him to get dumber, slower, and less talented, because then he’d have to hustle harder to get to the right spot, and try harder to pull off the right play.

    Or McDavid should pull a Pakarinen, just skate everywhere as hard as he can and throw his weight into players/the boards.

    “Did you hear that glass rattle? McDavid is really giving 100% of his effort today”

  52. who says:

    Bank Shot: McDavid always gives maximum effort in the offensive end of the rink.

    He sometimes goes into glide mode in the defensive half. Do people really not see this?

    He might be the best player in the world already, but if he gave maximum effort all over the rink, he could just be blowing everyone else completely out of the water.

    He could be a 100 point Patrice Bergeron if he sets his mind to it. That’s a player I want to see McDavid turn into.

    Yep.

  53. Side says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    This is pretty funny:

    “When they pulled their goalie the second time, (Mike Cammalleri) looked back and said ‘Coach, there’s a bunch of us here who haven’t scored in 20 games.’ I told him ‘I can’t put eight guys on the ice.’ — Oilers coach Todd McLellan

    That is pretty good.

  54. Confused says:

    Wilde,

    Yeah, if he only tried as hard as Cags we would be fine

  55. OriginalPouzar says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Samorukov with an assist late in the 2nd.

    Big goal, pulls the Storm within 2 heading to the 3rd period.

    He’s plus one while his team is down 3-1.

    Samorukov with a PP goal with 4 minutes left to pull Guelph within one.

  56. thehop says:

    Jethro Tull: Well, okay, but that’s an expensive lettering job on the shirt.

    Bruce Wayne will cover all costs associated with lettering.

    His way of saying sorry for the fuck show that is the Edmonton Oilers.

  57. godot10 says:

    Side: Or McDavid should pull a Pakarinen, just skate everywhere as hard as he can and throw his weight into players/the boards.

    “Did you hear that glass rattle? McDavid is really giving 100% of his effort today”

    A blame shifting joke from the coach. Funny,yes. But I’m sure the players note that the meaning of the joke is “it’s your fault. Not mine.”

  58. godot10 says:

    godot10: A blame shifting joke from the coach.Funny,yes.But I’m sure the players note that the meaning of the joke is “it’s your fault. Not mine.”

    Dawn phone. Replied to the wrong post.

  59. who says:

    Side: A 21 year old sometimes does some things wrong and he’s being called out for effort level.

    This fanbase is wild.

    “McDavid, sometimes you glide through the defensive zone. Can you give your maximum effort and be better please? Oh by the way, happy 21st birthday.”

    Was 21 year old Patrice Bergeron really better than 21 year old McDavid in the defensive zone?

    Well yes. I think he was actually. But he can’t touch Macdavid offensively.
    Look, I know this is sacrilege, but Macdavid is not the best player in the world yet. In 2 or 3 years he will be. He’s just not good enough in the dzone at present.
    He’s the best offensive player in the world, and certainly the most exciting. But he’s 20 years old. He’s not a finished product.

  60. Jethro Tull says:

    thehop: Bruce Wayne will cover all costs associated with lettering.

    His way of saying sorry for the fuck show that is the Edmonton Oilers.

    Ha, I’d pay for it just to hear Cassandra give a sincere apology.

  61. JimmyV1965 says:

    OilClog: You say this but yet question Connors compete level with no facts other then an opinion… is that not a personal attack?

    To call OPs comments about McDavid a personal attack is beyond a stretch.

  62. Wilde says:

    who,

    McDavid was 100 point Patrice Bergeron last year.

    97 even strength goal share: 59.59%

    Bergeron’s: 55.57%

  63. Jethro Tull says:

    Wilde:
    who,

    McDavid was 100 point Patrice Bergeron last year.

    97 even strength goal share: 59.59%

    Bergeron’s: 55.57%

    #Connorsbetter

  64. Wilde says:

    who: Well yes. I think he was actually. But he can’t touch Macdavid offensively.
    Look, I know this is sacrilege, but Macdavid is not the best player in the world yet. In 2 or 3 years he will be. He’s just not good enough in the dzone at present.
    He’s the best offensive player in the world, and certainly the most exciting. But he’s 20 years old. He’s not a finished product.

    McDavid is an absolute terror in the d-zone. If you bobble the puck once he’s gone.

    His offensive anticipation in the defensive and neutral zone is one of his defining features, and one of the reasons why he spends so little time there.

    If he was putting his body onto guys more while checking, he wouldn’t be able to cleanly break away for scoring chances.

    You want to see him defending more? You’re asking him to be a worse player.

  65. Side says:

    who: Well yes. I think he was actually. But he can’t touch Macdavid offensively.
    Look, I know this is sacrilege, but Macdavid is not the best player in the world yet. In 2 or 3 years he will be. He’s just not good enough in the dzone at present.
    He’s the best offensive player in the world, and certainly the most exciting. But he’s 20 years old. He’s not a finished product.

    See when I see McDavid “glide” through the defensive zone, I don’t think it’s because he’s “not giving a fuck” or is lazy or is not giving “maximum effort”. I think it’s more that the world’s best player is reading the play, predicting what could happen and is anticipating the likely outcome. McDavid looks fine defensively to me. As another poster mentioned above, I’d rather see a 120 point McDavid then a 100 point Patrice McDavid.

    I’d much rather see McDavid improve his offensive skills so he can keep the puck in the oppositions zone, then McDavid being a more defensive player in his zone.

  66. Side says:

    godot10: A blame shifting joke from the coach.Funny,yes.But I’m sure the players note that the meaning of the joke is “it’s your fault. Not mine.”

    Well JP and Strome couldn’t cash on some wide open nets. It’s not McLellan’s fault for that.

  67. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    I want to remind a few folks that we had another generational talent once upon a time. He wasn’t the best skater–could only do smooth crossovers one way and did not have elite speed. Some games he looked like he was coasting on the backcheck. His give-a-shit-meter did not look as high all the time as some of the less talented guys on the team who had their motors going every shift. That guy’s name was Wayne something something.

    Another generational player, different sport. Never would dive head first for a ball hit to right field or slide head first on a steal. The team had a lot of losing seasons during his tenure in Seattle. Fans blamed him for not putting in more effort and for not being good enough to carry the team. One year he would bat .372 and have an all-time record 262 hits in a season but the team lost 100 games. Fans and media eventually questioned his effort as the losses piled up. This guy, Ichiro, explained the logic that head first slides actually slow one down. They also have a high risk of causing injury, and he was more valuable to the team in the lineup than on IR. He only went on the IR once his whole tenure in Seattle and that was for an ulcer. He also was one of the most efficient fielders to the ball, running very straight routes. Dives for him were unnecessary. Flashy, but inefficient. Devon White was the same way, by the way. Ran like a deer and caught most balls standing up that other fielders would have to dive for.

    What do both Wayne and Ichiro have in common? Brains. Efficiency. They both worked out the best value they could bring to their teams and played that way. For Wayne it wasn’t backchecking all over the ice and having his motor going 100percent all the time. It was going where the puck was going to go in 2 steps and being there ahead of the play. For Ichiro it was being efficient in fielding routes and avoiding risk of injury.

    Connor McDavid plays 21 minutes a night. He is a freakish athlete but he cannot play balls to the wall for 21 minutes. McDavid at 75% effort is better than every forward on this team not named Leon. He is being smart to conserve his energy until that moment when there is a chance and he can hit his supersonic speed when it matters. Everything else he is asked to do he does with brains and efficiency, not effort exertion.

    The thing all 3 players have in common is their brains and efficiency. The best players look effortless out there. Drake Caggiula works his ass off every shift but gets fuck all done. I would much rather have a coasting McDavid out there.

    Wayne had a great supporting cast. Even as a generational talent once he left Edmonton he never won another Cup. Ichiro never got more help after his rookie year. Eventually he was run out of town. McDavid does not have the supporting cast. Let’s not Ichiro him, and let’s hope we get him the supporting cast he needs.

    Effort vs Efficiency. Both Eff Words. Now I am going to Eff Off.

  68. Genjutsu says:

    Wilde: McDavid is an absolute terror in the d-zone. If you bobble the puck once he’s gone.

    His offensive anticipation in the defensive and neutral zone is one of his defining features, and one of the reasons why he spends so little time there.

    If he was putting his body onto guys more while checking, he wouldn’t be able to cleanly break away for scoring chances.

    You want to see him defending more? You’re asking him to be a worse player.

    THIS

  69. Genjutsu says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    I want to remind a few folks that we had another generational talent once upon a time. He wasn’t the best skater–could only do smooth crossovers one way and did not have elite speed. Some games he looked like he was coasting on the backcheck. His give-a-shit-meter did not look as high all the time as some of the less talented guys on the team who had their motors going every shift. That guy’s name was Wayne something something.

    Another generational player, different sport. Never would dive head first for a ball hit to right field or slide head first on a steal. The team had a lot of losing seasons during his tenure in Seattle. Fans blamed him for not putting in more effort and for not being good enough to carry the team. One year he would bat .372 and have an all-time record 262 hits in a season but the team lost 100 games. Fans and media eventually questioned his effort as the losses piled up. This guy, Ichiro, explained the logic that head first slides actually slow one down. They also have a high risk of causing injury, and he was more valuable to the team in the lineup than on IR. He only went on the IR once his whole tenure in Seattle and that was for an ulcer. He also was one of the most efficient fielders to the ball, running very straight routes. Dives for him were unnecessary. Flashy, but inefficient. Devon White was the same way, by the way. Ran like a deer and caught most balls standing up that other fielders would have to dive for.

    What do both Wayne and Ichiro have in common? Brains. Efficiency. They both worked out the best value they could bring to their teams and played that way. For Wayne it wasn’t backchecking all over the ice and having his motor going 100percent all the time. It was going where the puck was going to go in 2 steps and being there ahead of the play. For Ichiro it was being efficient in fielding routes and avoiding risk of injury.

    Connor McDavid plays 21 minutes a night. He is a freakish athlete but he cannot play balls to the wall for 21 minutes. McDavid at 75% effort is better than every forward on this team not named Leon. He is being smart to conserve his energy until that moment when there is a chance and he can hit his supersonic speed when it matters. Everything else he is asked to do he does with brains and efficiency, not effort exertion.

    The thing all 3 players have in common is their brains and efficiency. The best players look effortless out there. Drake Caggiula works his ass off every shift but gets fuck all done. I would much rather have a coasting McDavid out there.

    Wayne had a great supporting cast. Even as a generational talent once he left Edmonton he never won another Cup. Ichiro never got more help after his rookie year. Eventually he was run out of town.McDavid does not have the supporting cast. Let’s not Ichiro him, and let’s hope we get him the supporting cast he needs.

    Effort vs Efficiency. Both Eff Words. Now I am going to Eff Off.

    AND THIS!

  70. OriginalPouzar says:

    Benson with an assist on the PK late in the first.

  71. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    T. Hall OT winner in a huge game vs Carolina keeps his point streak alive.

  72. Jethro Tull says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    T. Hall OT winner in a huge game vs Carolina keeps his point streak alive.

    Thought you’d effed off? 😂

    One maxim I believe in is square pegs in square holes. If thought of Connor blocking shots, angling guys to the outside or delivering a thunderous puck separating check behind his own net is what you want to see, then I hope you never see it.

    You want Connor high slot both ends, but on D, he goddam keeps those cheating in blueliners honest.

  73. fifthcartel says:

    What do you think a guy like Taylor Hall would cost to acquire?

  74. godot10 says:

    Jethro Tull: Thought you’d effed off?

    One maxim I believe in is square pegs in square holes. If thought of Connor blocking shots, angling guys to the outside or delivering a thunderous puck separating check behind his own net is what you want to see, then I hope you never see it.

    You want Connor high slot both ends, but on D, he goddam keeps those cheating in blueliners honest.

    I just want Connor and Leon not to lose their man in coverage on the backcheck

  75. New Improved Darkness says:

    Metabolic equivalent

    When I was doing high-intensity training, I learned that 30 METs leave you reaching for the puke bucket in under a minute, regardless of who you are. METs are designed to that every athlete suffers the same number in a comparable way.

    I think I once read that a firefighter in full gear carrying an unconscious person down a spindly fire ladder required 20–25 METs.

    On the rowing machine, I could exceed 25 METs for all of about five strokes. This after a 2 minute recovery each time. On a good day, I could peg 30 once or twice.

    I’m old, but large and intense, and I worked out that 1 MET for me was about 85 calories. 30 METs was 2550 calories/hour on the Concept II, which I hit from time to time (many of my own numbers were corrected from the official formulas, which use a stupid linear coefficient for idle rowing, but are otherwise quite good). Yes, the entire Concept II was hopping along the floor, unless anchored down. My form went to minor hell.

    God only knows what Connor’s value is for 1 MET.

    God only knows how Connor handles the puck with aplomb in full gear while carrying the girl down the fire ladder (so she’s a mite bariatric, #FatLivesMatter).

    I bet a lot of guys in the NHL bust their hump just to keep their sticks flat on the ice at 20 METs, with no puck to worry about (those shifts are a lot longer than my five strokes).

    You want Connor to retire sixth gear, just so he can hump it wall-to-wall, rather than use his giant brain to apportion his miraculously coordinated, explosive power appropriately?

    My, did we ever draft with a different vision.

  76. Professor Q says:

    Hopefully a good game for Yamamoto tonoght, against Bear’s old club.

  77. VOR says:

    Before I go back to imaginary GMing here is some real coaching.

    I like to fill a large envelope with sand. I tell my athletes that whatever we think each of us has finite physical, emotional, and mental resources. Then I’d start pouring sand out of the envelope – travel, training, practice, family, social life, pre-season, game 1,2,3…., post season, media, etc. It all takes sand. The less sand you have in your envelope the more likely you are to get injured or sick, and the less effective you will be when it matters the most. So when I tell you I want 100% of what you have to give, I mean 100% of what you can afford to give without running out of sand.

    This afternoon Connor McDavid chose to spend a bunch of sand over just a few minutes. He had the sand available because he has managed his sand budget well. He spent 100% of the sand he could afford to spend Saturday and again today. The total sand spent today was greater than yesterday but each was 100% of maximum budgeted sand.

    I may be explaining this badly but elite athletes can’t be spending sand recklessly. There is always a benefit cost analysis that has to be done. Peak resource use must always come at times of maximum effect and maximum importance. Today for about the 12th time this year we saw Connor McDavid at max resource utilization rate.

    He can’t do that every game, nobody has that much sand. He has to pick his spots. Has he chosen those spots optimally this year? I would say no, but he is young. It will come in time.

    Is that criticism of Connor McDavid. Of course not. Just a description of a process of maturation every elite performer in every field has to go through.

  78. thehop says:

    fifthcartel:
    What do you think a guy like Taylor Hall would cost to acquire?

    Adam Larsson straight up….

    Fuck me

  79. VOR says:

    For those of you who want to know more about METs

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2204507

  80. VOR says:

    So when I left off my imaginary GMing I has traded down from 2nd OV to 7th and got Andreas Athanasiou and there 2 2nd round picks.

    Next I am going to flip that pick with Columbus. The same deal, 7 for 16, Vitaly Abramov and a second.

    One more time. This time I am trading down to Boston at say thirty OV. This time I want their first, second and Anders Bjork.

    I am basing all this on the fact GMs do dumb things on draft day.

    I am going to try for one final trade. The two very high second rounders acquired from Detroit to Carolina for Roland McKeown.

    In: McKeown, Abramov, Athanasiou, Looke, Senyshen, Bjork, and Puempel, 30th, 47th, and 61st OV, also the picks from Cammy and Letestu. Out Letestu, Cammy, Patty, Ryan and 2 OV.

    What we gained, a prospect pool and a ton of speed. What we lost, a bunch of guys we weren’t resigning and a chance at a plug and play talent.

  81. thehop says:

    VOR,

    Has any GM in the history the NHL draft (modern era) traded down or laterally that much in one draft?

  82. JimmyV1965 says:

    You know you’re an Oiler fan when it’s Feb. 18 and you’re kinda hoping your team would lose.

  83. Melvis says:

    Originally, the hotel room weiner cooking methodology came courtesy of Laurie Anderson, the NYC based performance artist. Her travel and touring budget in the early 70’s was a bit tight, it seems.

    She preferred one at a time and the lengthwise thread up the stripped wire. Of course, one could do 3 or 4 crossway. This complicates things however – cooking time for one. One could also attempt the wire wrap. It depends on one’s state of hunger and inebriation.

    The latter method was once suggested to me by a rock’n’roll elctronics technician named Smitty. He was semi-notorious for various road hijinks. One of these included a hundred feet or more of extension cord, thick poly, gaffers tape, a tv, and an upper story hotel room above the pool below.The tv is turned on and tossed off the balcony. The question remains. Does the impact kill the tv, or can someone poolside still catch a glimpse of the original Gong Show under water.

    Another included a pair of Avis rental cars, and a hard game of bump em cars in the parking lot of a Detroit Hoilday Inn at 3:00 am after a gig at the original Cobo arena. I was horrified the game was for real, and no escaping it. The bastard. I was getting letters from Avis for a couple of months after the incident. As far as I know, there were two rusted out pieces of junk in that lot many months after the fact.

    Smitty once suggested something a bit too rude to an airline flight attendant for anyone’s tastes, and realizeing detainment, a strip search, and an anal probe were imminent, dumped his briefcase in my lap. Thank you very much.

    The contents of that thing could have had me doing a good decade of hard time, including many, many anal probes. Fortunately, I breezed through, but fuck that guy. Never trust a techie named Smitty.

  84. VOR says:

    The Hop,

    To the best of my knowledge never. Which is why it is worth a shot. A blue ocean opportunity. I am not sure it has ever been done in any sport. I mean it as one step in the Oilers getting their swagger back.

  85. who says:

    Wilde: McDavid is an absolute terror in the d-zone. If you bobble the puck once he’s gone.

    His offensive anticipation in the defensive and neutral zone is one of his defining features, and one of the reasons why he spends so little time there.

    If he was putting his body onto guys more while checking, he wouldn’t be able to cleanly break away for scoring chances.

    You want to see him defending more? You’re asking him to be a worse player.

    Yeah that’s exactly what I said. He should bang bodies and spend more of his shifts in the dzone. Rolls eyes.
    I’m talking about things like keeping track of your guy when the other team is cycling the puck. Making sure his teammates have control of the puck before blowing the zone. These are mistakes all young, offensive players make.
    Macdavid doesn’t need to cheat for offense. He can be on the defensive side of the puck and still blow by his check before he gets to center ice. He has physical tools that Gretzky could only dream of.
    You guys sure are touchy when it comes to Macdavid. Somebody points out a couple TINY faults and it’s like they called your mothers cheap and easy.

  86. VOR says:

    The Hop,

    It is partly for swagger development that if I was hiring a new GM I’d have a huge competition and bring candidates from all over the world and put them through an insanely competitive interview process including having to be grilled by fans. You want to be the new GM of the Edmonton Oilers you have to be the best of the best.

  87. Professor Q says:

    VOR:
    The Hop,

    It is partly for swagger development that if I was hiring a new GM I’d have a huge competition and bring candidates from all over the world and put them through an insanely competitive interview process including having to be grilled by fans. You want to be the new GM of the Edmonton Oilers you have to be the best of the best.

    They should have a dunk competition.

    On ice.

  88. VOR says:

    Another part of my plan. I am having the fans make the picks at 47 and 61.

  89. HT Joe says:

    who: You guys sure are touchy when it comes to Macdavid. Somebody points out a couple TINY faults and it’s like they called your mothers cheap and easy.

    *Re-reads Wilde’s level and reasonable response*

    What?!

  90. VOR says:

    Professor Q: They should have a dunk competition.

    On ice.

    I think there is room for a lot of innovation in recruiting techniques and the evaluation of candidates. I look forward to more brilliant ideas.

  91. Pescador says:

    Professor Q: They should have a dunk competition.

    On ice.

    Native American limb grappling

  92. VOR says:

    Georges: Someone else mentioned this a couple of days back (flyfish?) and this is correct.

    I’ve been exploring a bit. I looked just at minor penalties drawn by a player (i.e., excluding victim less crime like delay of game, too many men, etc.). I calculated the difference between penalties drawn and penalties taken by each player in a season.

    Here’s what I have so far:

    1. Defensemen take more penalties than they draw per minute of ice time. Forwards draw more penalties than they take. The totals for the two groups don’t add up to 0 because of goalies; goalies draw more penalties than they take.

    2. The difference between penalties drawn and taken is negatively (although mildly) correlated with height. Simply put, shorter players are more likely to draw penalties, taller players are more likely to take penalties. This seems to apply for both forwards and defensemen.

    3. The difference between penalties drawn and taken is positively (and again mildly) correlated with a player’s points per game. Let’s say this is a proxy for skill. Then skilled players are more likely to draw penalties than less skilled players.

    4. There’s a small year to year correlation in the difference, suggesting players develop somewhat of a reputation, or they fit a type in the eyes of the referees.

    So the Oilers not being able to draw penalties as a team this season could be a function of their lack of skilled, smaller players (like, ahem, Eberle). And the presence of bigger, less skilled players (like, ahem, Maroon, Kassian, Lucic). Again, if we take PPG as a proxy for skill. Drai, although he’s skilled, may have a tough time on this because of his size (I didn’t look at weight).

    Here are the leaders in minor penalties drawn – minor penalties taken for each season starting with 05-06:

    05, Zherdev, 33
    06, Brown, 39
    07, Brown, 44
    08, Brown, 62
    09, Brown, 56
    10, Hall, 31
    11, Brown, 36
    12, Kadri, 30
    13, Seguin, 23
    14, Kadri, 26
    15, Kadri, 27
    16, McDavid, 36
    17, Tkachuk, 27

    McDavid was 3rd this season when I pulled the data last week. He’s drawn 17 more penalties than he’s taken. He’s tied with Kadri. They’re both behind Barzal, who has 18, and sits in second.

    Other than Crosby and Datsyuk in 07-08, no one other than Brown has ever managed to do better than the number CMD put up last season. It looks like Tkachuk has a reasonable chance to top it this year.

    Brown, Kadri, and Tkachuk are interesting.

    That is fascinating.

  93. Georges says:

    Bruce McCurdy:

    The Oilers get the fewest powerplays in the league despite having its biggest foul magnet…

    Someone else mentioned this a couple of days back (flyfish?) and this is correct.

    I’ve been exploring a bit. I looked just at minor penalties drawn by a player (i.e., excluding victim less crime like delay of game, too many men, etc.). I calculated the difference between penalties drawn and penalties taken by each player in a season.

    Here’s what I have so far:

    1. Defensemen take more penalties than they draw per minute of ice time. Forwards draw more penalties than they take. The totals for the two groups don’t add up to 0 because of goalies; goalies draw more penalties than they take.

    2. The difference between penalties drawn and taken is negatively (although mildly) correlated with height. Simply put, shorter players are more likely to draw penalties, taller players are more likely to take penalties. This seems to apply for both forwards and defensemen.

    3. The difference between penalties drawn and taken is positively (and again mildly) correlated with a player’s points per game. Let’s say this is a proxy for skill. Then skilled players are more likely to draw penalties than less skilled players.

    4. There’s a small year to year correlation in the difference, suggesting players develop somewhat of a reputation, or they fit a type in the eyes of the referees.

    So the Oilers not being able to draw penalties as a team this season could be a function of their lack of skilled, smaller players (like, ahem, Eberle). And the presence of bigger, less skilled players (like, ahem, Maroon, Kassian, Lucic). Again, if we take PPG as a proxy for skill. Drai, although he’s skilled, may have a tough time on this because of his size (I ddin’t look at weight).

    Here are the leaders in (minor penalties drawn – minor penalties taken) for each season starting with 05-06:

    05, Zherdev, 33
    06, Brown, 39
    07, Brown, 44
    08, Brown, 62
    09, Brown, 56
    10, Hall, 31
    11, Brown, 36
    12, Kadri, 30
    13, Seguin, 23
    14, Kadri, 26
    15, Kadri, 27
    16, McDavid, 36
    17, Tkachuk, 27

    McDavid was 3rd this season when I pulled the data last week. He’s drawn 17 more penalties than he’s taken. He’s tied with kadri. They’re both behind Barzal, who has 18, and sits in second.

    Other than Crosby and Datsyuk in 07-08, no one other than Brown has ever managed to do better than the number CMD put up last season. It looks like Tkachuk has a reasonable chance to top it this year.

    Brown, Kadri, and Tkachuk are interesting.

  94. Georges says:

    Made one small edit and LT’s software marked it as spam. Had to repost.

  95. Pescador says:

    It depends on one’s state of hunger and inebriation.
    Melvis,
    Does constant qualify as a state?

  96. Pescador says:

    Melvis:
    Originally, the hotel room weiner cooking methodology came courtesy of Laurie Anderson, the NYC based performance artist. Her travel and touring budget in the early 70’s was a bit tight, it seems.

    She preferred one at a time and the lengthwise thread up the stripped wire.Of course, one could do 3 or 4 crossway. This complicates things however – cooking time for one. One could also attempt the wire wrap. It depends on one’s state of hunger and inebriation.

    The latter method was once suggested to me by a rock’n’roll elctronics technician named Smitty. He was semi-notorious for various road hijinks. One of these included a hundred feet or more of extension cord, thick poly, gaffers tape, a tv, and an upper story hotel room above the pool below.The tv is turned on and tossed off the balcony. The question remains. Does the impact kill the tv, or can someone poolside still catch a glimpse of the original Gong Show under water.

    Another included a pair of Avis rental cars, and a hard game of bump em cars in the parking lot of a Detroit Hoilday Inn at 3:00 am after a gig at the original Cobo arena. I was horrified the game was for real, and no escaping it. The bastard. I was getting letters from Avis for a couple of months after the incident. As far as I know, there were two rusted out pieces of junk in that lot many months after the fact.

    Smitty once suggested something a bit too rude to an airline flight attendant for anyone’s tastes, and realizeing detainment, a strip search, and an anal probe were imminent, dumped his briefcase in my lap. Thank you very much.

    The contents of that thing could have had me doing a good decade of hard time, including many, many anal probes. Fortunately, I breezed through, but fuck that guy. Never trust a techie named Smitty.

    Q;
    Customs or the probes?

  97. Wilde says:

    who: Yeah that’s exactly what I said. He should bang bodies and spend more of his shifts in the dzone.Rolls eyes.
    I’m talking about things like keeping track of your guy when the other team is cycling the puck. Making sure his teammates have control of the puck before blowing the zone. These are mistakes all young, offensive players make.
    Macdavid doesn’t need to cheat for offense. He can be on the defensive side of the puck and still blow by his check before he gets to center ice. He has physical tools that Gretzky could only dream of.
    You guys sure are touchy when it comes to Macdavid. Somebody points out a couple TINY faults and it’s like they called your mothers cheap and easy.

    I’m not saying that’s what you said, I’m saying that’s what you and others with similar criticism probably have to see before you stop trotting out this tired, misguided criticism.

    If he “waits for his teammates to have control of the puck”, then he’s surrendering his higher understanding of the game in real-time and his status as the best skater in the game, levelling the playing field.

    The guy can skate at the level where all he needs is a puck swatted in his general trajectory, and he will get to it first in full flight. That’s why he blows the zone sooner than others, because he can. He does more with less.

    It’s not ‘cheating’ it’s taking opportunities that others don’t see or can’t physically capitalise on.

    It’s funny how much people backtrack on this. Now they’re “tiny” faults?

    Sure isn’t the usual tone expressed. Seems to also get disproportionately more attention than most “tiny” faults.

  98. thehop says:

    VOR,

    I dig it.

  99. Gerta Rauss says:

    thehop:
    VOR,

    Has any GM in the history the NHL draft (modern era) traded down or laterally that much in one draft?

    Snow traded down twice in 2008-from 5 to 7, then 7 to 9 (and drafted Josh Bailey)

    That’s the only time I can think of in the cap era when a GM has traded down multiple times

  100. Side says:

    who: Yeah that’s exactly what I said. He should bang bodies and spend more of his shifts in the dzone.Rolls eyes.
    I’m talking about things like keeping track of your guy when the other team is cycling the puck. Making sure his teammates have control of the puck before blowing the zone. These are mistakes all young, offensive players make.
    Macdavid doesn’t need to cheat for offense. He can be on the defensive side of the puck and still blow by his check before he gets to center ice. He has physical tools that Gretzky could only dream of.
    You guys sure are touchy when it comes to Macdavid. Somebody points out a couple TINY faults and it’s like they called your mothers cheap and easy.

    But this is the thing, McDavid is young and his tiny flaws will be remedied through experience.

    So why are people (not saying you) acting as if these are flaws that need to be fixed now, or are attributing the flaws to “effort level”?

    Or why even call out these flaws if they are not an immediate issue, and we know wrinkles will be fleshed out through time and experience?

  101. unca miltie says:

    Munny:
    I just walked into my hotel room (I’m seeing clients in Fairview tomorrow morning) and for some reason the lamp doesn’t work, and the sink doesn’t drain…

    WTF?

    Is it safe to turn on the television?

    I had one of the longest nights of my life in the High Level Hotel back in the day..Would have much preferred to be in Fairview

  102. sumaclab says:

    Chia should be fired tomorrow. I would not let him manage this team any more. Enough already. Taylor Halls point streak continues. And meanwhile Chias boy has a 20 game goaless streak and is laughing all the way to a buy out. Chia will trade diamonds for coal hoping that the coal will turn into diamonds. Clueless. Im so done with him. He has done nothing to address this teams needs this season. So done. The only one who thinks Chia is all that is Bob Nicholoson. Speaks volumes about what the feak he knows about running a NHL team. His record is reflective of working with amateur sport and Team Canada. This is neither. Its the NHL. Where shit counts. And real money is being spent by ownership on players and season tickets holders give actual money not to watch their GM feak them over. Im sorry. Im mad and Im not taking it anymore. Ive sat patiently for 2 years as Chia says his plan is working. Really? Was last season the real deal? Or this season? The mark of a good franchise is consistency. Eg. Detroit Red Wings. How do you defend this years teams record and say trust me it will get better if you let me trade away more assets so I can fix the problem I created in the first place. Unacceptable. With the 1st pick in the 2018 draft the Oilers choose ……..

  103. OriginalPouzar says:

    Benson finishes with a lone assist.

    Yamamoto with a goal so far.

  104. Professor Q says:

    Gerta Rauss: Snow traded down twice in 2008-from 5 to 7, then 7 to 9 (and drafted Josh Bailey)

    That’s the only time I can think of in the cap era when a GM has traded down multiple times

    Didn’t the Bruins do it in the infamous Barzal draft?

  105. Melvis says:

    Pescador,

    Airline or airport security. And this was long before TSA. That stewardess was really pissed off. And Smitty was a lot like that creep Weiner. Not to mention walking pharmacy. His briefcase was loaded with uppers, downers, coke, and pot. He did Broadway theatre before rock’n’roll with Zep, Chicago, Beachboys, et al. Smart and competent. Really knew his stuff, but major trouble anywhere else. Your basic sociopath.

  106. Mike Wazowski says:

    OmJo: It’s unreasonable to expect 82-game consistency from a 19 year old rookie, IMO.

    Never said I expect 82 game consistency from anyone never mind a 19 year old kid. However, it has been a few weeks of play where his game hasn’t been great and the several late penalties recently isn’t great.

  107. Pescador says:

    thehop: I strongly advise checking for a corpse under the bed as well.

    Say if you do find that, could you please let me know?
    I seem to be missing one of mine

  108. Mike Wazowski says:

    OmJo: You’re right in that they were both invited to the city. But he “chose” to sign elsewhere after the team traded Hall for RHD Adam Larsson. If anything, the Oilers made the choice for him.

    Exactly how did the Oilers make the choice for him. It didn’t need to be an either or. As well, he may have walked out of the pre-deadline show n tell and told the Oilers he wasn’t interested.

  109. Gerta Rauss says:

    Professor Q: Didn’t the Bruins do it in the infamous Barzal draft?

    Well, the Bruins were certainly active, but the extra picks they got were from the Hamilton and Lucic deals, not trading down, so not really an apples to apples comparison

  110. Mike Wazowski says:

    Lowetide:
    Strome will never score again.

    Watching the game on PVR. This gave me a chuckle.

  111. OriginalPouzar says:

    Yamamoto adds an assist early in the third to secure yet another multi-point game.

  112. Melvis says:

    Was there some hockeying going on today? lol

    I watch all the games, but seem to have become so detached, win or lose, and so inured to final outcomes vis a vis trades and pink slips, I’m slipping into a lot of off piste stuff. Apologies if anybody finds this annoying.

    I was checking out the great Shannon Forrest with the Dukes of September. Could pass for the coaches son or bro.Lots of vid. Of course, I’m going with Lowdown.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIgq9WatLWM

  113. Mike Wazowski says:

    Lowetide:
    Strome scored. I told you he would.

    Props

  114. who says:

    Wilde: I’m not saying that’s what you said, I’m saying that’s what you and others with similar criticism probably have to see before you stop trotting out this tired, misguided criticism.

    If he “waits for his teammates to have control of the puck”, then he’s surrendering his higher understanding of the game in real-time and his status as the best skater in the game, levelling the playing field.

    The guy can skate at the level where all he needs is a puck swatted in his general trajectory, and he will get to it first in full flight. That’s why he blows the zone sooner than others, because he can. He does more with less.

    It’s not ‘cheating’ it’s taking opportunities that others don’t see or can’t physically capitalise on.

    It’s funny how much people backtrack on this. Now they’re “tiny” faults?

    Sure isn’t the usual tone expressed. Seems to also getdisproportionately more attention than most “tiny” faults.

    The only reason a couple of tiny flaws are getting disproportional attention is because a bunch of posters got upset because a few posters pointed them out.
    There is no such thing as a perfect player, including Connor. And I am not expecting perfection from him.
    Furthermore you have no idea what “I need to see” to make an observation on any player.

  115. Professor Q says:

    Gerta Rauss: Snow traded down twice in 2008-from 5 to 7, then 7 to 9 (and drafted Josh Bailey)

    That’s the only time I can think of in the cap era when a GM has traded down multiple times

    Didn’t the Bruins do it in the infamous Barzal draft?

    Gerta Rauss: Well, the Bruins were certainly active, but the extra picks they got were from the Hamilton and Lucic deals, not trading down, so not really an apples to apples comparison

    And Edmonton traded down twice in the Slepyshev deals. Not first round but they did trade down and then again with the same picks.

  116. thehop says:

    Pescador,

    Is it bad that I come here now for the comedy?

    Bahahahah

  117. who says:

    Side: But this is the thing, McDavid is young and his tiny flaws will be remedied through experience.

    So why are people (not saying you)acting as if these are flaws that need to be fixed now, or are attributing the flaws to “effort level”?

    Or why even call out these flaws if they are not an immediate issue, and we know wrinkles will be fleshed out through time and experience?

    That is what I said in my post. He will get better defensively. I am not concerned, just making an observation.
    But to say he is a good defensive player in his own end, at this time, seems like blind love or infatuation to me.

  118. godot10 says:

    Georges:

    Other than Crosby and Datsyuk in 07-08, no one other than Brown has ever managed to do better than the number CMD put up last season. It looks like Tkachuk has a reasonable chance to top it this year.

    Brown, Kadri, and Tkachuk are interesting.

    Professional and elite douchebag agitators.

    Anton Lander was surprisingly good at this, but not at the douchebag level.

  119. Wilde says:

    who: The only reason a couple of tiny flaws are getting disproportional attention is because a bunch of posters got upset because a few posters pointed them out.
    There is no such thing as a perfect player,including Connor. And I am not expecting perfection from him.
    Furthermore you have no idea what “I need to see” to make an observation on any player.

    No, it’s getting a disproportionate amount of attention because unfair criticism of a club’s best player is always within arms length of a lazy fan analyst.

    It’s easy, it’s simple, and the instructions are on the side of the box.

  120. who says:

    Wilde: No, it’s getting a disproportionate amount of attention because unfair criticism of a club’s best player is always within arms length of a lazy fan analyst.

    It’s easy, it’s simple, and the instructions are on the side of the box.

    My God. I can almost see your face getting red and your hands trembling as you write this.
    Maybe you’re Connors mom. I dunno.

  121. Wilde says:

    who: That is what I said in my post.He will get better defensively. I am not concerned, just making an observation.
    But to say he is a good defensive player in his own end,at this time, seems like blind love or nfatuation to me.

    Connor McDavid and some no-name centres last year, by GA/60:

    Bergeron: 2.44
    Toews: 2.48
    McDavid: 2.50

  122. Wilde says:

    who: My God. I can almost see your face getting red and your hands trembling as you write this.
    Maybe you’re Connors mom. I dunno.

    I’m a millennial, I don’t have to be angry to roast people on the internet, it’s in our nature by default

  123. OriginalPouzar says:

    Another goal for Kailer – 2G and 1A with a few minutes to go.

    This may move him up to 5th in the WHL in points/game – pretty impressive given how middling his production was for a couple of months.

  124. Wilde says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Another goal for Kailer – 2G and 1A with a few minutes to go.

    This may move him up to 5th in the WHL in points/game – pretty impressive given how middling his production was for a couple of months.

    If we had a playoff AHL team, couldn’t our junior wingers had played in those games?

    Would have been good to see the four of them there.

  125. Professor Q says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Another goal for Kailer – 2G and 1A with a few minutes to go.

    This may move him up to 5th in the WHL in points/game – pretty impressive given how middling his production was for a couple of months.

    He’s doing really well. I hope Spokane wins the Memorial Cup. Hopefully our other prospects make it there, too.

  126. Jethro Tull says:

    Wilde: No, it’s getting a disproportionate amount of attention because unfair criticism of a club’s best player is always within arms length of a lazy fan analyst.

    It’s easy, it’s simple, and the instructions are on the side of the box.

    You won’t win. Despite WG and others posting a mountain of empirical evidence to the contrary, the confirmation bias is too embedded.

    They have decided that McDavid is flawed and will reach for anything that remotely supports it. I wouldn’t be surprised if a post was being written about how they watched the rerun and at 3:59 of the 2nd, McDavid coasted on the backcheck for 0.4 seconds too long.

    Now there is marginalization and trivialization, two classic diversionary tactics in dishonest discourse.

  127. Professor Q says:

    Wilde: If we had a playoff AHL team, couldn’t our junior wingers had played in those games?

    Would have been good to see the four of them there.

    Yep, they could. Same with those in other leagues.

    After they’re finished of course, and before Bakersfield finishes.

  128. Gayfish says:

    For the record, I think we should trade McDavid and replace him with a stopgap veteran like Derek Roy. Our cap structure demands massive value ELC bargain contracts. We have prospects like Hebig coming, but they just won’t be ready next year.

  129. Gerta Rauss says:

    Wilde: If we had a playoff AHL team, couldn’t our junior wingers had played in those games?

    Yes, they can sign ATOs (amateur try outs) with Bakersfield after their junior teams have completed play for the season

    I think this is likely for Yammer, and perhaps Benson (assuming the AHL club still has games to play)

  130. OriginalPouzar says:

    Wilde: If we had a playoff AHL team, couldn’t our junior wingers had played in those games?

    Would have been good to see the four of them there.

    Yes, Kailer is signed so, once Spokane is done, he can join the Condors if they are still playing. The playoffs do seem like they won’t be happening though.

  131. Mike Wazowski says:

    Cult of Hockey story indicating that Curtis Stock believed that the Oilers had agreed to deals with Lucic and Demers before the opening of free agency…

    http://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/edmonton-oilers-will-have-deal-worked-out-with-milan-lucic-says-journal-reporter-curtis-stock

  132. Gerta Rauss says:

    OriginalPouzar: Yes, Kailer is signed so, once Spokane is done, he can join the Condors if they are still playing

    ah yes, of course, I forgot about that

  133. Munny says:

    thehop: I strongly advise checking for a corpse under the bed as well.

    Nope, no Oiler seasons under the bed.

  134. Pescador says:

    Melvis:
    Pescador,

    Airline or airport security. And this was longbefore TSA. That stewardess was really pissed off.And Smitty was a lot like that creep Weiner. Not to mention walking pharmacy. His briefcase was loaded with uppers, downers, coke, and pot. He did Broadway theatre before rock’n’roll with Zep, Chicago, Beachboys, et al. Smart and competent. Really knew his stuff, but major trouble anywhere else. Your basic sociopath.

    Mel,
    Amazing, perhaps my finest quality is my personal restraint.
    I would have only taken 1 of each of those things

  135. Pescador says:

    Wilde: I’m a millennial, I don’t have to be angry to roast people on the internet, it’s in our nature by default

    Ladies Ladies,
    Try purses at dawn

  136. Pescador says:

    thehop:
    Pescador,

    Is it bad that I come here now for the comedy?

    Bahahahah

    If it’s bad, then I don’t want to be good

  137. thehop says:

    Pescador: If it’s bad, then I don’t want to be good

    Have you been talking to Oilers management?

    That’s been their mantra going on 14 years now.

  138. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Mike Wazowski:
    Cult of Hockey story indicating that Curtis Stock believed that the Oilers had agreed to deals with Lucic and Demers before the opening of free agency…

    http://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/edmonton-oilers-will-have-deal-worked-out-with-milan-lucic-says-journal-reporter-curtis-stock

    Then the Oilers dealt Hall for Larsson and bowed out of the Demers sweepstakes, is what the MSM told us. We’ve been over this a bunch of times.

  139. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Wilde: I’m a millennial,..

    Don’t worry, none of us is perfect. 😉

  140. Pescador says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): Then the Oilers dealt Hall for Larsson and bowed out of the Demers sweepstakes, is what the MSM told us. We’ve been over this a bunch of times.

    Ya unfortunate, but not discovery.
    What we haven’t been over in this thread is Japanese wieners.
    First how big are they?
    And how do you cook them if you find yourself in a hotel?

  141. JimmyV1965 says:

    Jethro Tull: You won’t win. Despite WG and others posting a mountain of empirical evidence to the contrary, the confirmation bias is too embedded.

    They have decided that McDavid is flawed and will reach for anything that remotely supports it. I wouldn’t be surprised if a post was being written about how they watched the rerun and at 3:59 of the 2nd, McDavid coasted on the backcheck for 0.4 seconds too long.

    Now there is marginalization and trivialization, two classic diversionary tactics in dishonest discourse.

    Honest question here. Are you being serious about this? Do you think there are actually people here saying McDavid isn’t the best player in the world? Because he clearly has flaws. Just like every other human being on the planet. He’s not superhuman. Either is Crosby or Gretzky or Lemieux. I guess I’m just not understanding what you think people are saying about McDavid.

  142. Bank Shot says:

    Jethro Tull: You won’t win. Despite WG and others posting a mountain of empirical evidence to the contrary, the confirmation bias is too embedded.

    They have decided that McDavid is flawed and will reach for anything that remotely supports it. I wouldn’t be surprised if a post was being written about how they watched the rerun and at 3:59 of the 2nd, McDavid coasted on the backcheck for 0.4 seconds too long.

    Now there is marginalization and trivialization, two classic diversionary tactics in dishonest discourse.

    Or you can criticize the great players and the poor players alike. No player is perfect and should be above criticism at all times.

    When watching hockey you don’t have to pick a golden boy and a whipping boy. You can try to look at every player objectively and note their highs and lows as best you can.

    Mcdavid has the raw talent to be Fedorov level in his 93-94 season, every season. I hope the ones he looks to for advice are telling him to strive towards that, and aren’t telling him that he is perfect just the way he is.

  143. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Pescador: Ya unfortunate, but not discovery.
    What we haven’t been over in this thread is Japanese wieners.
    First how big are they?
    And how do you cook them if you find yourself in a hotel?

    They’re exactly how you probably imagined them.

    https://hilomarket.com/ito-ham-pork-bits

    I would just use the radiator heater in the hotel room.

  144. Pescador says:

    thehop: Have you been talking to Oilers management

    We’re actually in therapy together, it’s not going well

  145. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Bank Shot: Or you can criticize the great players and the poor players alike. No player is perfect and should be above criticism at all times.

    When watching hockey you don’t have to pick a golden boy and a whipping boy. You can try to look at every player objectively and note their highs and lows as best you can.

    Mcdavid has the raw talent to be Fedorov level in his 93-94 season, every season. I hope the ones he looks to for advice are telling him to strive towards that, and aren’t telling him that he is perfect just the way he is.

    I don’t think you have to worry about players like McDavid motivating themselves to become better. You don’t get to his level without a burning fire within.

    He doesn’t have to listen to anyone either coddling him or telling him to be better.

    That said, he asks 99 for advice, it seems, and probably a handful of others and I think 99 told him to look for his shot a bit more, among other things. And he is doing that.

    In other words, I don’t think fans on either side of this debate need to worry about him. My only worry would be this team being so bad he wants out–I don’t think it will happen, but if we don’t see a big improvement next year, yikes.

  146. Pescador says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): They’re exactly how you probably imagined them.

    https://hilomarket.com/ito-ham-pork-bits

    I would just use the radiator heater in the hotel room.

    God dammit that’s some funny shit!
    I like your style GMBPr, always have

  147. Bank Shot says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): I don’t think you have to worry about players like McDavid motivating themselves to become better. You don’t get to his level without a burning fire within.

    In other words, I don’t think fans on either side of this debate need to worry about him. My only worry would be this team being so bad he wants out–I don’t think it will happen, but if we don’t see a big improvement next year, yikes.

    Lets hope it all works out that he continues to improve in all facets, because this team is going to rely on him being able to carry most of the load on his back. The salary cap says so. 🙂

  148. Wilde says:

    I can’t speak for anyone else, but when I’m attacking this McDavid criticism, I’m not saying there’s players you can’t criticise.

    It’s not this:

    McDavid is poor defensively -> McDavid is above criticism!!

    It’s this:

    McDavid is poor defensively -> There’s no substantial, empirical evidence of that, and plenty pointing the opposite direction.

    Just as you have a right to criticise any player, anyone else has a right to question the veracity of your claims.

    And that’s without touching the fact that if people are indeed looking to not have whipping or golden boys and were to levy criticism of each individual player on this team on merit, you’d be blue out of breath before you got to 97.

  149. Georges says:

    Wilde,

    What would constitute “substantial, empirical evidence” of “McDavid is poor defensively”?

    And what is “plenty pointing the opposite direction”?

  150. Bank Shot says:

    Wilde:
    McDavid is poor defensively -> There’s no substantial, empirical evidence of that, and plenty pointing the opposite direction.

    I don’t think anyone in this thread has called McDavid poor defensively.

    I think sometimes he lacks the same enthusiasm for defensive play that he has for offensive.

    He occasionally makes the riskier play in the defensive zone. Does the good outweigh the bad? Sure by a million miles.

    Does that mean that Mcdavid couldn’t be better if he becomes a rock defensively? Nope. He would surely be better if he improves away from the puck.

  151. Wilde says:

    Georges:
    Wilde,

    What would constitute “substantial, empirical evidence” of “McDavid is poor defensively”?

    And what is “plenty pointing the opposite direction”?

    Is this line of questioning being opened in good faith?

  152. Wilde says:

    Bank Shot: I don’t think anyone in this thread has called McDavid poor defensively.

    I think sometimes he lacks the same enthusiasm for defensive play that he has for offensive.

    He occasionally makes the riskier play in the defensive zone. Does the good outweigh the bad? Sure by a million miles.

    Does that mean that Mcdavid couldn’t be better if he becomes a rock defensively? Nope. He would surely be better if he improves away from the puck.

    I’d contend that enthusiasm doesn’t correlate well with ability in a sport where positioning is everything in the defensive zone, but I don’t disagree with anything else you said.

    It just seems to come up eerily, inappropriately often amongst the fans of a team that traded away a Hart candidate very recently after that player was given similar treatment.

  153. Wilde says:

    I’m currently looking through nhltradetracker to try to establish some kind of baseline for trading down to shotgun picks this year as some were talking about earlier, and I’m starting at the first post-lockout draft.

    Does anyone remember any similar trades from before then?

  154. Bank Shot says:

    Wilde: I’d contend that enthusiasm doesn’t correlate well with ability in a sport where positioning is everything in the defensive zone, but I don’t disagree with anything else you said.

    It just seems to come up eerily, inappropriately often amongst the fans of a team that traded away a Hart candidate very recently after that player was given similar treatment.

    Who was the Hart Candidate traded?

  155. Wilde says:

    Bank Shot,

    Season ends right now, and the Hart probably goes like this:

    Kucherov
    Hall/MacK
    MacK/Hall

  156. Wilde says:

    Wow, there’s been a lot more draft movement trades than I remember.

    11 in ’06 and 13 in ’07.

    A lot of precedent to draw from if you’re fantasy-GMing like VOR.

  157. €√¥£€^$ says:

    Wow, good stuff VOR, Melvis, NID, NYC & Georges

    Haven’t spent much time here for a few weeks it seems, the team has lost me, although I have been watching the games.

    Its been a long long time since I’ve felt so jaded, I am officially tired of the coach and terrified of Chiarelli. In fact, I sent an email to the CEO & Cc’d Mr. Katz. I actually suggested he consider Mr. LT for the GM position. I’d trust Al with my team, that’s for damn sure.

    So LT, if you get an invite to the Wayne Manor, you deserve it and you’re welcome 😁😁😁

  158. €√¥£€^$ says:

    I also have a concept that seems to be mostly original, based on what I could not find on the ‘Gore and once I find the motivation to work on it a bit more, I want to put it out on here first to “test the waters” and get some feedback from the Big Brains and this community at large.

    I think my lack of enthusiasm for the team has deflated my motivation and thus my momentum, but this concept has the potential to have positive impacts on not only the NHL, but for every major pro sport.

    I’ll try and get it out in about 2 weeks….it may require a post of it’s own, but not sure of LT’s opinion on it yet.

  159. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    VOR: I debated replacing Chiarelli before I decided to surround him with new people. Julien BriseBois and Kyle Dubas were my short, short list. But then I read a brilliant analysis of how to approach hiring the new GM in Montreal. Since then I have been working on a long list and a series of interview questions I would use. To Dubas and BriseBois I added Chris Drury, Tom Fitzgerald, Bill Guerin, Markus Naslund and his AGM Peter Forsberg, and am still looking.

    If people have ideas for GM candidates or questions to ask the candidates I’d love to hear those picks.

    I don’t think the Oilers should rush into this or go one candidate shopping. It is that sort of terrible human resource management that leads to the DoD and the debacle this year has become.

    Questions I’d ask a prospective GM for sure:

    “Describe how are goals created”

    “Describe how a positive (+50%) goal differential is created”

    “What is your formula for having 4 lines with a positive goal differential”

    “Given the uneven distribution of talent on your opponents 1,2,3,4th lines, what is the ideal roster make up to give your team a positive goal differential for all 4 lines?”

  160. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Bank Shot: Who was the Hart Candidate traded?

    Quick sample of national writers (US and Canada) tweeting about it:

    NHLcom writer:
    @EJHradek_NHL
    How about @NJDevils star Taylor Hall for the Hart Trophy? Points in 18 straight games. The clear leader of these Devils

    Travis Yost
    @travisyost
    Taylor Hall has a pretty good argument as a Hart finalist.

    Sporting News NHL
    @sn_nhl
    Devils’ Hall stakes claim for Hart Trophy, extends point streak to 18 games http://dlvr.it/QGvbqs

    Greg Wyshynski
    @wyshynski
    Devils make the playoffs, hard not to consider Hall a Hart candidate.

    TSN
    @TSN_Sports
    .@MikeKellyNHL makes the case for Taylor Hall for the Hart Trophy. VIDEO: https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/statscentre-hall-s-case-for-the-hart-trophy~1326371

  161. Melvis says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Questions I’d ask a prospective GM for sure:
    “Describe how are goals created”
    “Describe how a positive (+50%) goal differential is created”
    “What is your formula for having 4 lines with a positive goal differential”
    “Given the uneven distribution of talent on your opponents 1,2,3,4th lines, what is the ideal roster make up to give your team a positive goal differential for all 4 lines?”

    And I once stumbled over, ” do you have your shit together?”

  162. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Melvis: And I once stumbled over, ” do you have your shit together?”

    I prefer to word it “do you have your poop in a group?”

    Makes them think a bit first.

  163. frjohnk says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Questions I’d ask a prospective GM for sure:

    “Describe how are goals created”

    “Describe how a positive (+50%) goal differential is created”

    “What is your formula for having 4 lines with a positive goal differential”

    “Given the uneven distribution of talent on your opponents 1,2,3,4th lines, what is the ideal roster make up to give your team a positive goal differential for all 4 lines?”

    If any of these phrases
    “heavy hock..”
    “the price you hav…”
    “So I think I know a little bit about win…”

    are mentioned
    a buzzer automatically sounds and a trap door opens to a chute leading to a basement of an outhouse.

  164. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Melvis:
    “I will apologize for that if he’ll apologize for being an asshole in the first place.”

    Immediately followed by:

    “That is something that our host does not allow.”

    “Mr. Mitchell, Mr Mitchell. Woodguy is being mean to Opie!”

    LMAO. We’re not men. We’re children.

    I’m forever 12

    According to Mrs. Woodguy

  165. 99thoilerfan says:

    Hart Candidate ?

    “Fair Winds” and “Following Seas” to Chance.

    http://lowetide.ca/2016/06/29/sail-on-windsor-spitfire/

  166. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    New Improved Darkness: The whole point of the transaction was to construct a narrative that the franchise was finally firing on all cylinders, to make the playoffs (and even some noise) early in the McDavid window, then build off the avalanche of early success to attract the rest of the pieces required, now willing to sign here at a monetary discount in order to get a hungry fork into a pancake-pile of post-season glory on the McDavid express.(After a cup or two, those prescient monetary discounts turn to gold.)

    Woot, woot.Woot, woot.All aboard!

    Caboom.

    Awfully nice narrative you’re building, there.Shame if something happened to it.

    Chia is now down to scratching just the right opaque wax blisters off a blue-moon Bermuda triangle mulligan card.

    5, 14, 6, 1 + 6 / 49

    Hut, hut!

    GMs live or die on narrative.At the end of the day, accurately evaluating the spots is a technical matter.In any given year, the numbers and the narrative line up for all the best and worst teams.But keep your eye on the baloney between the bread.That’s where a canny GM goes mustard hunting. Any GM with middling numbers is on the eternal mustard hunt.

    Sometimes, a particularly astute GM with middling numbers and plus liquidity (Rangers, Kings) can just sit back and play the table against true player value, with no mustard added.New York and Los Angeles have mustard built in.

    Edmonton has sour cream.

    Was surfing some old LT threads from 2012 the other day and ran across some of your gold.

    I appreciate you.

  167. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Woodguy’s baseball standngs notwithstanding, by points & by points percentage, this morning the Oilers rank 29th, ahead of just Buffalo & Arizona.

    Brucey,

    I’m not manually working out the points %.

    Hockey reference has an option to run the standings using points % and then I just add in “games over/under”

    So they weren’t 29th via points % yesterday morning, but 27th.

    They were 29th were using points.

  168. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Mike Wazowski: While trying not to be a smart-ass or confrontational I do have to mention that over the last several months I see post after post from you on how awesome Hall is doing and how stupid Chiarelli is but not much on how the Oilers should have acquired a Larsson type player?A 23-25 year old right shot d-man under control for a reasonable term and dollar value.

    Most teams are hoarding those player types and acquisition costs are high.I definitely think the trade cost was high but may not have been avoidable.Chiarelli was over a barrel given that the entire league new how much the Oil needed a young right-shot D.He may have offered Ederle but teams held out.Two parties to make a deal and all that.

    I am honestly asking your opinion.Unfortunately, I haven’t gone back to the farthest reaches of the blogs past to check out your older posts.

    Hall is a franchise player and my opinion on that is longstanding.

    I like Larsson, but in terms of how much players contribute to wins, what those two do are not close imo.

    Hall will beat the other team’s best in goal share with minimal help.

    He’s doing it with two rookies this year.

    That ability is very, very rare and should be hoarded above all else.

  169. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Mike Wazowski: Demers is on the outside of that preferred age range and was a free-agent that I believe chose not to sign here iirc.Schultz, based on performance, was not going to be a top-4 performer here.The question is still how do you ADD the top-four RHD?

    When you have the best forward corps in the NHL or close you don’t need as much high end Dmen as you do when you don’t have an unreal forward corps.

    Demers’s age for his contract is 28-32, that’s good.

    You can literally trade anyone but Hall, McDavid and Drai to shore up RHD and if Peter didn’t find a deal he liked, then FFS don’t make the deal.

    In McDavid’s rookie year we saw:

    Hall on 51.8% GF
    McDavid on 50.7% GF.

    So EDM had two players who were so good they could get a positive goal differential with this Dcorps:

    Player TOI
    ANDREJ.SEKERA 1365.32
    DARNELL.NURSE 1176.47
    MARK.FAYNE 1008.75
    JUSTIN.SCHULTZ 920.35
    ERIC.GRYBA 810.4
    BRANDON.DAVIDSON 778.56
    OSCAR.KLEFBOM 493.53
    GRIFFIN.REINHART 455.3
    ADAM.CLENDENING 391.57
    ADAM.PARDY 305.79
    JORDAN.OESTERLE 290.68
    NIKITA.NIKITIN 156.88
    BRAD.HUNT 81.3
    ANDREW.FERENCE 70.43

    A good GM would have looked at this and thought:

    “Holy shit. I have two players who can beat the other team’s top 2 lines with a garbage fire for a Dcorps. Imagine if I give them a decent Dcrops”

    This GM didn’t understand how well Hall drove a line and traded him to shore up all the other lines.

    EDM hasn’t had a 2nd line with above 50%GF since.

    Its like PIT winning Cups back to back with these Dmen: (total 5v5 TOI in playoffs for PIT Dmen for the two years they won the Cup recently)

    Player TOI
    BRIAN.DUMOULIN 903.96
    OLLI.MAATTA 716.17
    IAN.COLE 715.01
    TREVOR.DALEY 578.72
    KRIS.LETANG 508.36
    JUSTIN.SCHULTZ 490.2
    RON.HAINSEY 452.02
    BEN.LOVEJOY 366.92
    CHAD.RUHWEDEL 79.94

    When you have 3 lines who can beat the piss out of the opposition, the Dcorps matters less.

    EDM could have had that.

  170. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    My cold sweat wake-up call: PC is working with the NHL brass to create the conditions for McDavid’s contract to win cups in a better market. Had to sacrifice his ELC in order to salvage the draft’s legitimacy. After a 70pt 2018-2019, who would fault 97 for demanding a trade? Backed into a corner, whoever trades for him wins, and wins big. Generation talent wins 4 cups in 7 years at MSG completing the coveted “Bizarro Gretzky.”

  171. Professor Q says:

    Pescador: Ya unfortunate, but not discovery.
    What we haven’t been over in this thread is Japanese wieners.
    First how big are they?
    And how do you cook them if you find yourself in a hotel?

    Are they made out of Kobe beef? Not the Basketball Player…

  172. Professor Q says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Hall is a franchise player and my opinion on that is longstanding.

    I like Larsson, but in terms of how much players contribute to wins, what those two do are not close imo.

    Hall will beat the other team’s best in goal share with minimal help.

    He’s doing it with two rookies this year.

    That ability is very, very rare and should be hoarded above all else.

    But have Hall and Demers been to a Stanley Cup Finals like Larsson has?

  173. Bank Shot says:

    Woodguy v2.0: lo

    Hall won’t be a finalist.

    Guaranteed.

  174. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Professor Q: But have Hall and Demers been to a Stanley Cup Finals like Larsson has?

    Excellent point.

    To that end EDM should add Brendan Dillon and Nick Spalling

  175. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Bank Shot: Hall won’t be a finalist.

    Guaranteed.

    He’ll get votes though.

  176. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Bank Shot,

    Doesn’t surprise me that that same guy who wrote this:

    They aren’t being gifted the best ice time any longer. That’s the problem.

    RNH is a guy that hasn’t hit 60 points in a season despite being one of the league leaders in ice time for centers the two seasons before Connor arrived.

    I saw a lot of blame towards the bottom of the roster in those years buts it’s become more and more clear that the Oilers top guys during that time aren’t the guys that can carry a hockey team. That’s a big part of the reason the team continued to finish in last place.

    still dislikes Hall.

    The team NEVER scored about 45% GF with Hall off the ice for his entire career here and for 2 years scored UNDER 40%, but the best players are the problem…….

  177. Mike Wazowski says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Hall is a franchise player and my opinion on that is longstanding.

    I like Larsson, but in terms of how much players contribute to wins, what those two do are not close imo.

    Hall will beat the other team’s best in goal share with minimal help.

    He’s doing it with two rookies this year.

    That ability is very, very rare and should be hoarded above all else.

    I liked Hall a lot too and wish he wasn’t the price Chiarelli paid for a RHD. I believe that how each player contributes to the success of the team is very important while being very different.

    Even with Hall and McDavid on the same team the Oilers didn’t enjoy much success since the team couldn’t defend.

  178. Mike Wazowski says:

    Woodguy v2.0: When you have the best forward corps in the NHL or close you don’t need as much high end Dmen as you do when you don’t have an unreal forward corps.

    Demers’s age for his contract is 28-32, that’s good.

    You can literally trade anyone but Hall, McDavid and Drai to shore up RHD and if Peter didn’t find a deal he liked, then FFS don’t make the deal.

    In McDavid’s rookie year we saw:

    Hall on 51.8% GF
    McDavid on 50.7% GF.

    So EDM had two players who were so good they could get a positive goal differential with this Dcorps:

    PlayerTOI
    ANDREJ.SEKERA1365.32
    DARNELL.NURSE1176.47
    MARK.FAYNE1008.75
    JUSTIN.SCHULTZ920.35
    ERIC.GRYBA810.4
    BRANDON.DAVIDSON778.56
    OSCAR.KLEFBOM493.53
    GRIFFIN.REINHART455.3
    ADAM.CLENDENING391.57
    ADAM.PARDY305.79
    JORDAN.OESTERLE290.68
    NIKITA.NIKITIN156.88
    BRAD.HUNT81.3
    ANDREW.FERENCE70.43

    A good GM would have looked at this and thought:

    “Holy shit.I have two players who can beat the other team’s top 2 lines with a garbage fire for a Dcorps.Imagine if I give them a decent Dcrops”

    This GM didn’t understand how well Hall drove a line and traded him to shore up all the other lines.

    EDM hasn’t had a 2nd line with above 50%GF since.

    Its like PIT winning Cups back to back with these Dmen: (total 5v5 TOI in playoffs for PIT Dmen for the two years they won the Cup recently)

    PlayerTOI
    BRIAN.DUMOULIN903.96
    OLLI.MAATTA716.17
    IAN.COLE715.01
    TREVOR.DALEY578.72
    KRIS.LETANG508.36
    JUSTIN.SCHULTZ490.2
    RON.HAINSEY452.02
    BEN.LOVEJOY366.92
    CHAD.RUHWEDEL79.94

    When you have 3 lines who can beat the piss out of the opposition, the Dcorps matters less.

    EDM could have had that.

    Isn’t a 28-32 year old defenceman getting on the old side at the end of his contract? Having a younger defenceman, Larsson or otherwise, under control on a very reasonable contract between 24-28 years old better?

    Your defence example includes 4 RHD, with two legitimately in the top 4, on the Pens while the Oil had used 3-4 in the 2015-2016 season that were all 6-7 defencemen with Schultz realistically pegged in at a number 3-4 like he is with the Pens?

    Do you not believe that Drai could be that second line driver? His numbers at 5-on-5 are pretty good this season.

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