Tenth Avenue Freeze Out

The Edmonton Oilers got some breaks and good goaltending last night in the first two periods, finding themselves up 2-0 after 40 minutes. The final frame was most unkind, featuring three Boston goals, four high-danger scoring chances, some luck and a large amount of chasing the puck against an excellent team. You’d hope for a better result, but the possession numbers (61 percent Boston) and the shot clock (43-20) loved that dirty water. For Oilers fans, some of the younger players played well and that’s the kind of thing to look for during this very long season coda.

THE ATHLETIC!

MORE THAN A FEELING, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • February 2016: 3-7-0, goal differential -7 (6 points)
  • February 2017: 5-5-0, goal differential -2 (10 points)
  • February 2018: 2-7-1, goal differential -8 (5 points)

Some nice moments for various Oilers in this game, if the team was showcasing Jujhar Khaira and Ryan Strome for trade then the night was a success overall. Cam Talbot deserved a better fate in my opinion, even if he did head south on the GWG a little early.

AFTER 59, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers 15-16: 22-31-6, goal differential -41 (50 points)
  • Oilers 16-17: 32-19-8, goal differential +20 (72 points)
  • Oilers 17-18: 24-31-4, goal differential -31 (52 points)

The 2015-16 team would grab 20 points from the final 23 games, last season’s Oilers posted 31 in the same time frame. This year’s model? I’ll bet closer to 20 than 31, that 2015-16 team has been a road map all down the line.

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM FEBRUARY

  • At home to: Colorado, Tampa Bay (Expected 0-1-1) (Actual 1-0-1)
  • On the road to: Los AngelesAnaheimSan Jose (Expected 1-1-1) (Actual 0-3-0)
  • At home to: Florida (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • On the road to: Vegas, Arizona, Colorado (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 1-2-0)
  • At home to: Boston, Colorado (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • On the road to: Los Angeles, Anaheim, San Jose (Expected 0-2-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 5-6-3, 13 points in 14 games
  • Current results: 2-7-1, five points in 10 games 

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

  • Nurse-Larsson were 14-18 in 17:03, 0-1 GF. The duo matched the Bruins physically and were effective separating puck from opponent, but outlets weren’t crisp. Klefbom-Larsson on the horizon after the trade deadline? Went 1-12, 0-1 in 7:16 against Marchand-Bergeron-Pastrnak, who were frightening.
  • Davidson-Benning were 9-13 in 13:07, I saw them defending pretty much the entire night. Benning had a monster hit on Ryan Spooner, an absolute rattler of a hit. Davidson took a penalty for diving that was a terrible call by the ref. I think one of these men sits when Sekera returns Thursday. Were 0-2 in 58 seconds against Marchand-Bergeron-Pastrnak.
  • Klefbom-Russell went 12-22, 0-1 GF in 15:34 together. Russell hammered the post early, the pairing was not crisp with their outlet passing so were turned back consistently. Were 3-14 in 6:28 against Marchand-Bergeron-Pastrnak.
  • Cam Talbot stopped 40 of 43, .930. That’s three good games in a row by the math.
  • NaturalStatTrick and NHL.com.

FORWARDS, LAST NIGHT

  • Puljujarvi-Letestu-Kassian were 6-6 with 1-0 HDSC on the night, in 9:06. Todd McLellan rolled the line quite a bit, both veterans did solid work. I’m concerned about Jesse Puljujarvi, he seems betwixt and between right now. Growing pains of youth I know, hopefully he gets with some skill after the trade deadline. Were 3-3 against the Krejci line on the night.
  • Khaira-Strome-Slepyshev were the most effective offensive line, going 1-2 GF, 12-16 in 8:54. Strome’s long goal drought now over, he’s potted a couple lately. I like him best at center. Went 3-10 against Heinen-Backes-Nash line.
  • Lucic-Draisaitl-Cammalleri were not a strong line, poor Leon’s wonderful passes were mostly useless. Man what a waste. Went 7-13 in 12:01, 1-6 in scoring chances. I kept wondering when Leon would move to 97’s line but it never happened. Went 0-7 against the Marchand-Bergeron-Pastrnak trio,
  • Maroon-McDavid-Caggiula were 10-23 in 15:51, 4-12 in shots and 0-1 GF. McDavid was tightly checked and his wingers were poor. Maroon’s thought process is a house divided currently and Drake Caggiula can’t hang with the kind of opponent McDavid sees every night (witness the winning goal). McDavid was 12-20 in 15:12 against Zdeno Chara, coach McLellan not using his last change advantage in any way, really. Were 4-17 against the Bergeron line in 7:03.

OBSERVATIONS

I was at last night’s game, the first chance for me to look at the team since Christmas. Boston is a fine team, so the things that troubled Edmonton in this game were partly due to the qual comp. Things I noticed:

  • Connor McDavid should have drawn four power plays, he drew one. It’s a thing.
  • While we’ve been worrying about the right-wing depth chart, the left side has fallen into disrepair.
  • Talbot is seeing the puck well again.
  • Nurse-Larsson is a solid pairing, but you can see the wisdom of Klebom-Larsson. Oscar needs Adam’s defensive acumen and Larsson needs Klefbom’s puck moving. I think we may see Nurse paired with Russell in the coming days.
  • Who were they showcasing? Based on lineup choices, Drake Caggiula, Patrick Maroon, Mike Cammalleri and Milan Lucic get the nod. Based on usage? The entire Strome line.
  • Being at the game last night was fun, I stayed away from social media and checked in on the blog only a few times during the evening. One of the great things for me about this season is the success of Taylor Hall and Jordan Eberle in their new cities, I hope their success continues. That said, twitter has become six degrees of Taylor Hall (except it’s only one degree) and at times it seems every single Oilers mention ignites a Taylor Hall/Jordan Eberle response. If you feel that side of Oilers fandom isn’t for you (and your emails to me indicate same), I encourage you to opt out, or to fade those who do make it about those trades. Peter Chiarelli made those trades, and he should lose his job over it. You didn’t make the trade. It is not a reflection of you and you don’t have to make it a part of your daily experience. If it is impacting your life outside of the recreational time you put aside, then let it go. For your own peace of mind.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A busy morning on the Lowdown, beginning at 10 on TSN1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Darcy McLeod, Because Oilers. Last night’s game, how long will it take to turn this team around?
  • Scott Wheeler, The Athletic. Scott has his mid-season rankings out and there are some very interesting decisions. We’ll also talk about the state of the Oilers prospect list.
  • Jeff Krushell, Krush Performance. My friend has a new book! Plus baseball!

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

 

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  1. OriginalPouzar says:

    Boston sure came on in the third period and overwhelmed the Oilers a bit.

    As soon as they got that first lucky goal (off Strome’s skate and in) we just knew the 2nd goal was going to come.

    Oh well, it was a very entertaining game to watch – lots of good things to take from that game.

    Can’t wait until Nuge is back – I think we stack the top 6 with Nuge and Drai and leave Strome at 3C – that is where he plays best.

  2. OriginalPouzar says:

    I would like to see Klefbom and Larsson back together and I guess Benning with Nurse (we can’t have Russell on his off-side in the top 4).

    I really really really want a legit first/second pairing right shot D next season as I think the following would be excellent:

    Klefbom/Larsson
    Nurse/Acquired RHD
    Sekera/Benning (Russell, Davidson – depends on who is moved to open up the cap space for the acquire RHD – Russell please).

  3. OriginalPouzar says:

    That play where Russell rang it off the post – what a sensational pass by Leon – remarkable.

  4. Lowetide says:

    Please be respectful of posters and blog host. If you want to make a point, please do it without getting personal. No exceptions.

  5. OriginalPouzar says:

    “If you feel that side of Oilers fandom isn’t for you (and your emails to me indicate same), I encourage you to opt out, or to fade those who do make it about those trades. Peter Chiarelli made those trades, and he should lose his job over it. You didn’t make the trade. It is not a reflection of you and you don’t have to make it a part of your daily experience. If it is impacting your life outside of the recreational time you put aside, then let it go. For your own peace of mind.”

    I am one that doesn’t see the need to discuss these trades and spew vitriol at the GM each and every day – I get it and I don’t disagree with the assessments, I just choose not to focus on the negatives from the past and prefer to look at the present, the future and how we move forward.

    With that said, although I will make the odd quip about those topics (and my opinion regarding the need to discuss them), it doesn’t effect my “personal life”, my mood outside the forums, the “recreational time I put aside”. If it is effecting anyone that way, your piece of mind, I agree with Lowetide, take a step back for your mental health – discussing the Oilers, in this community or otherwise, should not be a detriment to quality of life.

  6. Johnny Eyetest says:

    Here’s the deal…this isn’t even so much a T. Hall problem, as it is another nail in the coffin of just how dysfunctional our favorite organization was. When Hall got here, the inmates were running the asylum. He had Andrew Cogliano (self admittedly “didn’t want to play wing” while in Edmonton – wanted to be a center and score) and Ales Hemsky (the “Lone r Ranger” as dubbed by Pat Quinn) to look up to. T. Hall came in to save the franchise….and he is going to listen to a coach? Is the coach going to save the franchise? Hell no. Taylor Hall is going to save the franchise. Don’t tell me what to do, I’m Taylor Hall.

    Now see Andrew Ference’s comments (re-run in Staples article from yesterday) as to what this does to a team. Yes, he was talking about Taylor Hall.

    So guess what? Chiarelli fired Hall into the sun. He needed D, and he was trying to right the wrong of an organisation that let players put themselves in front of the team.
    The hockey world knew this about the player so he didn’t make team Canada’s, and when he did, he rarely played. That’s how it goes when you want to do your own thing. Only problem is, this also sewered his trade value. So no, OEL, no PK Subban, no Hampuis Lindholm. We were in Codi Ceci, Adam Larsson territory.

    What did it take to turn T. Hall around? It took being traded from the franchise he was supposed to save, to another last place team, while watching the his old team finally succeed. And then it took a stern talking to over the summer telling him to start training properly and overall…smartin up.
    And now look. Wouldn’t THIS Hall look great on our team.

    So add him to the list of players the Edmonton Oilers NEARLY destroyed. And let’s add Taylor Hall to the Justin Schultz category and put the Hall trade to rest.

  7. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lowetide:
    Please be respectful of posters and blog host. If you want to make a point, please do it without getting personal. No exceptions.

    Was that me? I don’t think I said anything offside, did I?

  8. OriginalPouzar says:

    CAN/GER set for 5am (mountain) on Friday morning.

    Same time as today’s game.

    Perfect time!

  9. Woogie63 says:

    LT good advice on the Hall/Eberle trade on Twitter. I happen to believe the GM made the right moves but it is exhausting and taking the enjoyment and fun out of the game. So if I unfollow you it’s me not you.

    I am hoping we can see what we have with a few players and answer who will be the back up next year.

  10. frjohnk says:

    Lucic-Draisaitl-Cammalleri
    Maroon-McDavid-Caggiula

    Maroon has checked out and just waiting to get tapped on the shoulder that he has been traded.

    Chia or whoever is GM, needs to find McDavid and Drai better wingers for next year.

    Cagguila is a 4th line energy player.
    Cammy is a shadow of his former self, a bottom 6 player
    Lucic, see Cammy

    A combined 62 games between those 3 players and 3 goals ( all by Caggulia) to show for since Christmas. Christmas is when we had a chance to go on a run and maybe make a push for the playoffs but except for McDavid and Drai everybody has been silent.

    Woof
    Woof
    Woof

    Im hopeful that JP can fill one of those spots next year. Maybe RNH will fill a spot or if he is traded because of cap reasons, we can find a cheaper winger who can play up there.

    Probably see Yamamoto and if we draft a winger this summer, given a good shot at playing top 6 next year.

    Incredibly, 8 years later, we are still in the HOPE phase.

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  12. Dustylegnd says:

    Lowetide:
    Please be respectful of posters and blog host. If you want to make a point, please do it without getting personal. No exceptions.

    LT, in my mind the vast majority of this blog hated that Taylor Hall trade from the minute it was made

    Lowetide nation was correct and Chia was as usual wrong….I am not sure what all the gnashing is even about….Taylor Hall is having an MVP season, he is top 10 PTS/G and he is doing it with little help…good on him

    The trade was grossly lopsided from the word go, the deal should not have surprised anyone based on trader Petes recent history……EOG employees dutifully pushed a narrative and had ground to stand on last year…this year they look ridiculous …..fair enough

    Like all things, P/E ratios, housing prices, etc……time always demonstrates proper value…..Pistol Pete is a poor judge of value….he is short sighted when trading franchise players and incapable of extracting value in contract negotiations…..so what does that leave in term of his own talents……exactly

    This too shall pass….but he has put this franchise back 5 years with the Reinhart and Hall deals….NOW HE IS DONE…..and Nicholson is not without blame either…

    So if we all just whistle past the graveyard and hope somehow the team gets better….is that the preferred narrative here on the blog….past behaviour does indeed indicate future behaviour and Chia’s behaviour has produced poor results in Edmonton

    Is the answer do nothing ….hope Cam is better next year…magically Benning becomes Krug…who the hell does Connor get for wingers….

    Chia made an informed decision and let the genie out of the bottle…he opened Pandora’s box…..

    wasting a generational talent is wrong on so many levels

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  14. wood99 says:

    PVR the game and watched most of it again and only re-affirmed what I saw last night. Oscar Klefbom is soft as butter and continually makes bad reads.I do not see what you see MR. Lowetide obout his play.I see physical talent but very little give a shit meter with him. At 6’3″ 215 lbs you should be able to win puck battles and not be pushed out of the play by smaller men. This to me is compete level. watch how many times he skates beside the opposing player with 1 hand on his stick and never engaging….Very frustrating……and he is supposedly our best d-man…..We are in trouble!!!!!

  15. Connoreah says:

    It seems there’s a pretty even debate happening about the Oilers’ biggest need for next year, with 1/2 suggesting a RHD to play second pair and hopefully QB the PP, and the other half suggesting McDavid needs a scorer.

    By my eye (and what LT seems to confirm in today’s post), we need at least 2 wingers.

    I get the value of adding a RHD. But if this team lives and dies by the success of the McDavid (and hopefully eventually) Draisaitl line, I don’t see it as particularly close. We need snipers. Plural.

    My guess is absolutely nothing happens outside of the UFAs prior to the lottery though. If we’re picking 1 or 2, that would settle the debate pretty quickly IMHO.

  16. season not played says:

    So I’ve been a PC supporter since he was hired but I under estimated how angry I was going to be when the players they gave up for Reinhart, whoever, started to produce. He should be fired for that move alone. I have essentially tuned the team out but I do expect a recovery next year with a couple of smart moves, proper player deployment and no extended preseason.

    With that being said, the move PC made that most people seem to dislike the most seems to have had more light shed on it yesterday. Did he provide the smoking gun? Looks like it. Why would a player who throws water bottles at the coach listen to the coach? Why would the rest of the players listen to the coach when their alpha doesn’t?

    Anyway, that’s all I’m going to say about it. Nice to see him growing up. Too bad it wasn’t here.

    Oh, and just scanning the discourse on here throughout this season has been hilarious. Thanks to all for the entertainment.

  17. wood99 says:

    I thought Strome was our best player last night, he looks like he is starting to get a little more comfortable. The only issue with qualifying him is the price. I like him better at center, but with Mcblender a lot of the players never seem to get comfortable because there is no consistency with the lines.

  18. OilClog says:

    Hall has points in 19 straight.

  19. OilClog says:

    frjohnk:
    Lucic-Draisaitl-Cammalleri
    Maroon-McDavid-Caggiula

    Maroon has checked out and just waiting to get tapped on the shoulder that he has been traded.

    Chia or whoever is GM, needs to find McDavid and Drai better wingers for next year.

    Cagguila is a 4th line energy player.
    Cammy is a shadow of his former self, a bottom 6 player
    Lucic, see Cammy

    A combined 62 games between those 3 players and 3 goals( all by Caggulia) to show for since Christmas.Christmas is when we had a chance to go on a run and maybe make a push for the playoffs but except for McDavid and Drai everybody has been silent.

    Woof
    Woof
    Woof

    Im hopeful that JP can fill one of those spots next year.Maybe RNH will fill a spot or if he is traded because of cap reasons, we can find a cheaper winger who can play up there.

    Probably see Yamamoto and if we draft a winger this summer, given a good shot at playing top 6 next year.

    Incredibly, 8 years later, we are still in the HOPE phase.

    It’s incredible that all the HOPE is playing elsewhere lol

  20. frjohnk says:

    season not played: Why would a player who throws water bottles at the coach listen to the coach?

    What player threw water bottles at what coach?

  21. anjinsan says:

    The Oilers first line yesterday was McDavid + Chiarelli wings. Oh, what a night.

  22. JD_Wry says:

    OilClog: It’s incredible that all the HOPE is playing elsewhere lol

    Olympian Omark!

  23. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – “Peter Chiarelli made those trades, and he should lose his job over it” This is your opinion, it’s not a fact. Not much to discuss if this is the angle

    – Last year in playoffs you were touted how great Larsson was: he was a beast, impacted the game huge. (Pull up your own notes from those games)

    – You like Strome as 3C, younger, half the price

    – Last year a healthy Larsson contributed greatly to this team, an injured Hall= no playoffs for his

    – This year, and injured Larsson contributed greatly to this team not being in playoffs, and a healthy Hall = playoffs for NJ.

    – Glad you had a good time at the game though!

  24. fifthcartel says:

    The worse this season goes the more I think Chiarelli doesn’t make it to next season. I feel like he won’t fire Todd because that means he’s got his mandatory One Coaching Change and it’s all on him next.

    There’s just too much ammunition. Matt Barzal almost a lock for the calder. Hall leading a mediocre Devils team (with Schneider hurt) to the playoffs. Eberle on pace for 25-28 goals again, Strome not even close to a replacement. Punting on the last year of McDELC.

    Most normal situations say “well, three years for a GM is a little low, he’ll get another summer or two with a coaching change to use.” But this isn’t normal. This is a team with Connor McDavid on it and he blew it.

  25. OriginalPouzar says:

    Connoreah:
    It seems there’s a pretty even debate happening about the Oilers’ biggest need for nextyear, with 1/2 suggesting a RHD to play second pair and hopefully QB the PP, and the other half suggesting McDavid needs a scorer.

    By my eye (and what LT seems to confirm in today’s post), we need at least 2 wingers.

    I get the value of adding a RHD. But if this team lives and dies by the success of the McDavid (and hopefully eventually) Draisaitl line, I don’t see it as particularly close. We need snipers. Plural.

    My guess is absolutely nothing happens outside of the UFAs prior to the lottery though. If we’re picking 1 or 2, that would settle the debate pretty quickly IMHO.

    A huge factor in this is the cap.

    We have a very decent change of plugging those top 6 winger holes within the next few years with cheap and internal options with a cap hit of $1M (plus potential bonuses – nominal for players except top picks – even Yamamoto’s are nominal). It may take another year or two to plug that hole but it can be done with huge cap savings over acquiring established top 6 wingers that will cost $4M plus with term.

    I don’t see the ability to fill the 1/2RD hole, now or in time, with internal and/or cheap options.

    Get a real player for the right side of the defence and fill the top 6 winger roles with cheap ELC contracts – that’s where our cap structure has left us, as I see it.

    Unfortunately, subject to acquiring one at the deadline, Yamamoto being more ready than some thing and/or us drafting one of the elite forwards, chances are we have a year gap until those cheap winger spots are filled internally – bridge that gap with a one-year contract to a free agent – no term.

  26. frjohnk says:

    wood99: thought Strome was our best player last night, he looks like he is starting to get a little more comfortable. The only issue with qualifying him is the price.

    Yup. I agree.

    As I have said before, these are tricky waters with Strome.

    Oilers need NHL players but they need NHL players at value contracts especially in the bottom 6.

    Strome needs to be qualified at $3M or he becomes a UFA. Oilers need to know this week if they can sign Strome for between $2-$2.5M. If he says he wont sign for that price, the proper play is to trade Strome this week for an asset.

  27. OriginalPouzar says:

    wood99:
    I thought Strome was our best player last night, he looks like he is starting to get a little more comfortable. The only issue with qualifying him is the price. I like him better at center, but with Mcblender a lot of the players never seem to get comfortable because there is no consistency with the lines.

    Strome definitely plays better at center. He’s been very good for a good 20 games now and only really struggled when moved to the wing.

    The Strome we’ve seen over the last 20 games is pretty close to worth a $3M cap hit, however, I would prefer a contract with a lesser hit but some more term (the term could entice the player).

    Even something like $2.25 X 2 (or even a 3 year deal with an deescalating AAV, $3.25M, $2.75M, $2.25M).

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  29. dustrock says:

    We’re paying Draisaitl $8.5m per year to have 2 pylons as wingers.

    We’re also giving the best player on the planet 2 pylons as wingers.

    None of the d-men can make a transition pass.

    But I’m sure next year will be better.

  30. Dustylegnd says:

    season not played,

    I don’t remember him throwing a water bottle at the coach…..I saw him throw a water bottle on the ground and watched the lid explode and the coach get wet…I saw that…

    I also saw the coach handle that situation like a child, over reacting, I saw that same coach come in with an arrogance second to none, and qualifications and accomplishments second to the incumbent coach….pretty sure the players could see that after a short period of time

    Show me a good loser and I will show you a loser…..imagine if Sequin had been drafted to the Oil and Hall to the Bruins…surrounded by excellent veterans and talent….we would have a very different narrative …..Hall most likely would still be a Bruin and there is a good chance Sequin would have been destroyed by his Oilers…experience……

    Perspective…it is interesting

  31. prefonmich says:

    In the nature of looking at the positives this morning , Jujhar Khaira has the best hair of any hockey player I’ve ever seen! And a great shot too. He and Strome look really good together. Leons passes, oh my.
    Also, I took a spin on the lottery winners spinny thing site and on my first try Oilers win!! We are back there…

  32. who says:

    OriginalPouzar: A huge factor in this is the cap.

    We have a very decent change of plugging those top 6 winger holes within the next few years with cheap and internal options with a cap hit of $1M (plus potential bonuses – nominal for players except top picks – even Yamamoto’s are nominal).It may take another year or two to plug that hole but it can be done with huge cap savings over acquiring established top 6 wingers that will cost $4M plus with term.

    I don’t see the ability to fill the 1/2RD hole, now or in time, with internal and/or cheap options.

    Get a real player for the right side of the defence and fill the top 6 winger roles with cheap ELC contracts – that’s where our cap structure has left us, as I see it.

    Unfortunately, subject to acquiring one at the deadline, Yamamoto being more ready than some thing and/or us drafting one of the elite forwards, chances are we have a year gap until those cheap winger spots are filled internally – bridge that gap with a one-year contract to a free agent – no term.

    I do agree with your thought process on this.
    But are you advocating acquiring a top 4 righty dman this summer? Or would it be wiser to wait til 2019 when Sekera and Russell lose their full trade protection?
    Cause if you make the move this summer you are trading Klefbom. Both for cap reasons and to make room on the blue line.

  33. Cassandra says:

    OilClog:
    Hall has points in 19 straight.

    Yesterday on the Devils broadcast, quoting Kyle Palmieri. “I watch a lot of hockey. If there is a player in the NHL more valuable to his team than Taylor Hall, I am not seeing it.”

    Every day on Devil Blogs. “Thank God, for Taylor Hall.”

    Every Athletic article that touches on the Devils. “Taylor Hall is a stone cold superstar.”

    Generic Oiler fan: “Taylor Hall is overated. I still like the deal.

    It’s not at all true that most Oiler fans hated the deal. They hated it on the day but were quickly won over when the tide of public opinion turned. Now public opinion has shifted back, which just goes to show how how unreliable opinion is.

    This season should have changed no one’s view on Chiarelli and the moves he has made. Just like last season should have changed nothing.

    We still talk about this every day because there are so, so, so many people are not only unwilling to admit they were wrong, but they don’t understand the errors in thinking that led them to being wrong.

    So this was never about Taylor Hall. It was about learning how to think.

  34. Connoreah says:

    Dustylegnd: LT, in my mind the vast majority of this blog hated that Taylor Hall trade from the minute it was made

    Lowetide nation was correct and Chia was as usual wrong….I am not sure what all the gnashing is even about….Taylor Hall is having an MVP season, he is top 10 PTS/G and he is doing it with little help…good on him

    The trade was grossly lopsided from the word go, the deal should not have surprised anyone based on trader Petes recent history……EOG employees dutifully pushed a narrative and had ground to stand on last year…this year they look ridiculous …..fair enough

    Like all things, P/E ratios, housing prices, etc……time always demonstrates proper value…..Pistol Pete is a poor judge of value….he is short sighted when trading franchise players and incapable of extracting value in contract negotiations…..so what does that leave in term of his own talents……exactly

    This too shall pass….but he has put this franchise back 5 years with the Reinhart and Hall deals….NOW HE IS DONE…..and Nicholson is not without blame either…

    So if we all just whistle past the graveyard and hope somehow the team gets better….is that the preferred narrative here on the blog….past behaviour does indeed indicate future behaviour and Chia’s behaviour has produced poor results in Edmonton

    Is the answer do nothing ….hope Cam is better next year…magically Benning becomes Krug…who the hell does Connor get for wingers….

    Chia made an informed decision and let the genie out of the bottle…he opened Pandora’s box…..

    wasting a generational talent is wrong on so many levels

    There seems to be very little interest in acknowledging what was reported out of Jersey yesterday.

    Can we at least agree that, based on what Hall admitted to in his interview, there was a fairly strong case to be made to trade the guy? I’m not saying he’s not a great talent, or that Larsson represents fair value. I’m not suggesting he hasn’t grown as a person since he left, either. I’m happy he’s grown up.

    I’m just asking respectfully – if a player who was drafted 1st overall and expected to be a leader for a team openly admits that during his six years on the team he had zero interest in talking to his coach or listening to his coach, then doesn’t that player represent a problem? Not the only problem, but very clearly a big problem for a team? Particularly since Hall admitting this pretty much confirms what other players eluded to about issues in the locker room?

    I mean, can we at least acknowledge that Hall has admitted that he was part of the problem while he was here, and that his trade actually makes some sense now?

  35. frjohnk says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – Last year a healthy Larsson contributed greatly to this team, an injured Hall= no playoffs for his

    – This year, and injured Larsson contributed greatly to this team not being in playoffs, and a healthy Hall = playoffs for NJ.

    I like Larsson and had felt if he could take a good step from last year, he could become a good top pairing Dman and if Hall was an injured player who couldnt revert back to his 12-13 and 13-14 seasons as one of the top LW’ers in the game, factoring in salary difference, I was OK with the trade.

    Last year the gap between a healthy Larsson on a playoff team compared to a injured Hall not producing at an elite pace on a non playoff team is not too far off.

    This year the gap between a healthy Hall reverting back to his 12-13 and 13-14 seasons compared to an injured Larsson who has taken a step back on a non playoff team is quite large.

    One player who contributed greatly to his team that will be playoff bound is going to get MVP votes.

    One of the avenues used that some who liked the trade, was including Lucic in the trade.

    Yeah, that makes the transaction even worse today.

  36. Connoreah says:

    Cassandra: Yesterday on the Devils broadcast, quoting Kyle Palmieri.“I watch a lot of hockey.If there is a player in the NHL more valuable to his team than Taylor Hall, I am not seeing it.”

    Every day on Devil Blogs.“Thank God, for Taylor Hall.”

    Every Athletic article that touches on the Devils.“Taylor Hall is a stone cold superstar.”

    Generic Oiler fan: “Taylor Hall is overated.I still like the deal.

    It’s not at all true that most Oiler fans hated the deal.They hated it on the day but were quickly won over when the tide of public opinion turned.Now public opinion has shifted back, which just goes to show how how unreliable opinion is.

    This season should have changed no one’s view on Chiarelli and the moves he has made.Just like last season should have changed nothing.

    We still talk about this every day because there are so, so, so many people are not only unwilling to admit they were wrong, but they don’t understand the errors in thinking that led them to being wrong.

    So this was never about Taylor Hall.It was about learning how to think.

    Curious what you think about his comments yesterday about not listening to his coach while he played in Edmonton. You’re a coach, aren’t you Cassandra? What effect does one player on the team – particularly a star player – ignoring the coaches have on the team?

  37. Dustylegnd says:

    prefonmich,

    When it comes to hair, everyone and I mean everyone will always be second to Ron Dugay

    https://goo.gl/images/pHMzoj

  38. bendelson says:

    Lowetide:
    Please be respectful of posters and blog host. If you want to make a point, please do it without getting personal. No exceptions.

    Nice catch LT. That post was likely to derail this thread, early and often…
    And no, OP, wasn’t you!

    So I was also at the game last night… had a great time. Those Bruin fans sure come out of the woodwork here in Edm. don’t they? Thankfully, they are a happy bunch these days… no more so than the guy sitting directly to my left. Damn if he didn’t win the 50/50. $68,000.00. In from Saskatoon to see the game with his buddies. Good for him…

  39. Pretendergast says:

    LT,
    I agree, everytime i see the words Hall, Reinhart, Barzal, I just stop reading.

    Unfortunately, these days that means I pretty much have to skip the whole blog.

    Nothing new has been said on this since 2015. What could’ve been is fine but there’s a limit.

  40. Pretendergast says:

    So after a game where the coach didn’t use any abvantages of a home team, we fire Todd.

    Assuming we actually do a vetting process this time, who do we grab? Just saying coach Q is unlikely to happen and also doesn’t satisfy the due dilligence we need for once.

    I’d look at:
    Jacque Martin (PIT)
    Sheldon Keefe (TOR)
    Todd Nelson (GR)
    Dave Tippett
    Geoff Ward (NJD)
    Larry Robinson
    Kevin Dineen (CHI)

    I’m biased on Nelson, he was basically the draft and develop version of a coach, Tampa is the most obvious example I can think of that method working well.

    Will think of questions to ask these coaches later.

  41. Dustylegnd says:

    bendelson,

    Bruins fans come out everywhere in the West…..and Mr Bruin, Budda,Chief…Mr Bucyk was born on the North Side….hockey fans have long memories

  42. prefonmich says:

    Dustylegnd,

    Haha. Back in the helmetless.days you are right the flow of Ron Duguay was hard to beat but JJ is a close second!

  43. JimmyV1965 says:

    season not played:
    So I’ve been a PC supporter since he was hired but I under estimated how angry I was going to be when the players they gave up for Reinhart, whoever, started to produce. He should be fired for that move alone. I have essentially tuned the team out but I do expect a recovery next year with a couple of smart moves, proper player deployment and no extended preseason.

    With that being said, the move PC made that most people seem to dislike the most seems to have had more light shed on it yesterday. Did he provide the smoking gun? Looks like it. Why would a player who throws water bottles at the coach listen to the coach? Why would the rest of the players listen to the coach when their alpha doesn’t?

    Anyway, that’s all I’m going to say about it. Nice to see him growing up. Too bad it wasn’t here.

    Oh, and just scanning the discourse on here throughout this season has been hilarious. Thanks to all for the entertainment.

    It’s fair to trash Hall, but why say he threw a water bottle at the coach? It doesn’t make your argument stronger. Everyone reading this blog knows he didn’t throw a water bottle at the coach. What’s the difference between what he did with the water bottle and what Strome did with his stick the other night? Two frustrated players taking out their anger on the bench.

  44. russ99 says:

    Be a good time to look at contract status for next year to move on from the trade/GM rants:

    Forwards:
    ———————-
    McDavid – $12.5M*
    Draisaitl – $8.5M
    RNH – $6M
    Lucic – $6M*
    Kassian – $1.95M
    Puljuajarvi – $925K (2019 RFA)
    Khaira – $675K (2019 RFA)

    Defense:
    ———————-
    Sekera – $5.5M*
    Klefbom – $4.765M
    Larsson – $4.1667M
    Russell – $4M*

    Goal:
    ———————-
    Talbot – $4.1667M (2019 UFA)
    Montoya – $1.0625M (2019 UFA)

    Buyout:
    Pouliot – $1.333M

    Cap Hit:
    $60.946M

    Cap Space:
    $19.053M – with an $80M cap

    Potential Bonuses: (not including 2018 draftees)
    $2.5M

    NHL UFA: Letestu, Maroon, Cammalleri

    NHL RFA: Strome, Slepyshev, Caggiula, Pakarinen, Nurse, Davidson, Benning, Brossoit

    System UFA: Fayne, Ferlin, LaLeggia, Rattie, Simpson, Lowe, Downing

    System RFA: Ellis, Russell, Platzer, Betker, Christoffer

    – from CapFriendly.com

    I’d say the opportunity for a roster clearout/refresh is quite good, I hope we can move out some of the RFA group before Monday’s deadline.

  45. OilClog says:

    Memba when Dellows broke down how Eakins wasn’t deploying Hall right and he seemed off, things weren’t executing…. then they took the chains off Hall and he immediately started to produce at Allstar levels again

    Memba when Renney would pull the goalie when they’re down by 3…

    The Oilers sold off a young bull and replaced it with donkeys that fall in line.

  46. JimmyV1965 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – “Peter Chiarelli made those trades, and he should lose his job over it”This is your opinion,it’s not a fact.Not much to discuss if this is the angle

    – Last year in playoffs you were touted how great Larsson was: he was a beast, impacted the game huge.(Pull up your own notes from those games)

    – You like Strome as 3C, younger, half the price

    – Last year a healthy Larsson contributed greatly to this team, an injured Hall= no playoffs for his

    – This year, and injured Larsson contributed greatly to this team not being in playoffs, and a healthy Hall = playoffs for NJ.

    – Glad you had a good time at the game though!

    I love Larsson. I hate the trade. No one’s opinion of Larsson should be based on the trade. It’s not fair to him.

  47. Cassandra says:

    Pretendergast:
    LT,
    I agree, everytime i see the words Hall, Reinhart, Barzal, I just stop reading.

    Unfortunately, these days that means I pretty much have to skip the whole blog.

    Nothing new has been said on this since 2015. What could’ve been is fine but there’s a limit.

    Everything has been said, but the truth remains contested. So long as so many people insist that that there was some kind of reason behind the trade, and so long as some continue to defend Chiarelli, the truth must be repeated.

    This will stop when Chiarelli is fired. Nothing else will do.

  48. JimmyV1965 says:

    OriginalPouzar: A huge factor in this is the cap.

    We have a very decent change of plugging those top 6 winger holes within the next few years with cheap and internal options with a cap hit of $1M (plus potential bonuses – nominal for players except top picks – even Yamamoto’s are nominal).It may take another year or two to plug that hole but it can be done with huge cap savings over acquiring established top 6 wingers that will cost $4M plus with term.

    I don’t see the ability to fill the 1/2RD hole, now or in time, with internal and/or cheap options.

    Get a real player for the right side of the defence and fill the top 6 winger roles with cheap ELC contracts – that’s where our cap structure has left us, as I see it.

    Unfortunately, subject to acquiring one at the deadline, Yamamoto being more ready than some thing and/or us drafting one of the elite forwards, chances are we have a year gap until those cheap winger spots are filled internally – bridge that gap with a one-year contract to a free agent – no term.

    +1000

  49. Cassandra says:

    Connoreah: Curious what you think about his comments yesterday about not listening to his coach while he played in Edmonton. You’re a coach, aren’t you Cassandra? What effect does one player on the team – particularly a star player – ignoring the coaches have on the team?

    For those that are interested here is the full quote.

    “Since coming here, John Hynes, he’s probably given me the most accountability than any coach I had in Edmonton,” Hall added on Tuesday. “That’s been really good for me personally. In Edmonton, I didn’t really want to talk to coaches. I didn’t want to go and have dialogue with coaches. I just wanted to play and a lot of guys are like that. I think, here, Hynsie, we talk about a lot of stuff. He listens to what I say. He’s been a good sounding board on a lot of things. I think he’s been a big reason why I’ve been able to have some success.”

    There is nothing of note here. Certainly no evidence of anything, just a sounding board for our own projections.

    In general we should ignore what players say. They aren’t particularly insightful into what makes them successful and they are as prone to just-so stories as anyone else.

  50. Bank Shot says:

    Pretendergast:
    So after a game where the coach didn’t use any abvantages of a home team, we fire Todd.

    Assuming we actually do a vetting process this time, who do we grab? Just saying coach Q is unlikely to happen and also doesn’t satisfy the due dilligence we need for once.

    I’d look at:
    Jacque Martin (PIT)
    Sheldon Keefe (TOR)
    Todd Nelson (GR)
    Dave Tippett
    Geoff Ward (NJD)
    Larry Robinson
    Kevin Dineen (CHI)

    I’m biased on Nelson, he was basically the draft and develop version of a coach, Tampa is the most obvious example I can think of that method working well.

    Will think of questions to ask these coaches later.

    Darryl Sutter would be the best hire out there if the OIlers fire McClellan.

    They should only do so if they are replacing McClellan with an obvious superstar coach such as this.

  51. Dustylegnd says:

    Connoreah,

    Yes, I agree and I have to admit, I had missed that report (currently skiing in Montana) a very unflattering quote for sure….and I am not sure what the hell his motivations was to provide the quote

    There are a number of ways we can look at this, but it definitely shows a lack of maturity on Halls part….I suppose it is also an indication of the dysfunction within the Oilers Organization……everyone shares blame here

    The sad part is that NJ now reaps the rewards of the new version that is now willing to listen…did he grow up….or did Hall finally find somebody he relates too…..who knows….however, I do know his zone entries are world class, his speed is world class, he is scoring goals like never before, and he is racking points….on another team that hasn’t provided him with much help

    I still maintain, had we drafted Seguin….the results would be similar to Yakapov

  52. frjohnk says:

    Cassandra: I just wanted to play and a lot of guys are like that

    If people are believing that Hall is saying that he didnt like listening to his coaches and would rather just play hockey, those people must also believe that a lot of players are like that.

  53. russ99 says:

    OriginalPouzar: A huge factor in this is the cap.

    We have a very decent change of plugging those top 6 winger holes within the next few years with cheap and internal options with a cap hit of $1M (plus potential bonuses – nominal for players except top picks – even Yamamoto’s are nominal).It may take another year or two to plug that hole but it can be done with huge cap savings over acquiring established top 6 wingers that will cost $4M plus with term.

    We have two issues that are interlinked:

    We have few options at the wing position that are NHL average, much less above average.

    Our system is barren of forwards, especially at the top level.

    At some time, the vicious circle of rushing picks to the bigs or signing college FAs and throwing them in the mix even though they aren’t NHL ready has to stop.

    If we do this, the talent in the system bubbles up, and in their place we are proactive this summer filling the top 6 with NHL options.

    As long as we stop giving away NMCs (they should be precluded if players want to play with McDavid and Draisaitl), then those players become moveable when the kids are ready, clearing cap room for the next batch of players we need to keep.

    Seems too many fans embrace the “kids will save us” approach more to keep players than to compete next season and increase chances for a cup run during the McDavid/Draisaitl 8 year window, which should be our ultimate goal moving forward, not tanking for 2-3 years and hope that this time we’ll get it right.

  54. JimmyV1965 says:

    who: I do agree with your thought process on this.
    But are you advocating acquiring a top 4 righty dman this summer? Or would it be wiser to wait til 2019 when Sekera and Russell lose their full trade protection?
    Cause if you make the move this summer you are trading Klefbom. Both for cap reasons and to make room on the blue line.

    I think a smart and creative GM will find someone like Roland McKeown of the Hurricanes, a good RHD buried in the minors playing well for an org. loaded with dmen. This is the guy VOR has been beating the drum for.

  55. godot10 says:

    There is some revisionist history here. Many in the oilogosphere blamed Hall and Ederle (and Schultz and Perry) for all the ills and losing.

    McLellan is as much to blame for the trading of three of those guys as anybody. How can a competent coach say that he is better off without Hall than with him? But one sees this over and over again with this coach and his deployment of forwards. He doesn’t seem to know who is good/necessary and who is bad/space filler.

    And now the mob is onto bashing Klefbom. Klefbom has been extremely poorly coached by this staff. They do not coach or play him to his strengths.

  56. JimmyV1965 says:

    Connoreah: There seems to be very little interest in acknowledging what was reported out of Jersey yesterday.

    Can we at least agree that, based on what Hall admitted to in his interview, there was a fairly strong case to be made to trade the guy? I’m not saying he’s not a great talent, or that Larsson represents fair value. I’m not suggesting he hasn’t grown as a person since he left, either. I’m happy he’s grown up.

    I’m just asking respectfully – if a player who was drafted 1st overall and expected to be a leader for a team openly admits that during his six years on the team he had zero interest in talking to his coach or listening to his coach, then doesn’t that player represent a problem? Not the only problem, but very clearly a big problem for a team? Particularly since Hall admitting this pretty much confirms what other players eluded to about issues in the locker room?

    I mean, can we at least acknowledge that Hall has admitted that he was part of the problem while he was here, and that his trade actually makes some sense now?

    Now this is a fair argument to make. I don’t think this would have happened in a functional organization, but it’s a fair thing to say.

  57. Dustylegnd says:

    This year you’re obviously seeing a step in the right direction with the professionalism of the team, the battle, the way they’re playing on the ice, the way they’re acting in the city or down in the room… Just that culture, I can’t empathize it enough, how important it is to come into a room and to know that everybody has bought in and everybody is going to be there for each other.” Ference mentioned it helped to have bigger players on the Oilers, but being a closer group was crucial. “

    Yes Mr Ference, Lucic glares at himself int he mirror every morning, that menacing glare that will hold underperforming players accountable, protecting players against the imaginary bully foes that currently populate the NHL…..

    As we can see, Lucic’s glare is not resulting in the desired on ice results for the underperforming Oilers players…..dedicated professional indeed….(spends summer in LA working out with TO doing football workouts….I can’t make this shit up)

    Yes Milan Lucic, the poster boy of professionalism and performance on the Oilers

  58. russ99 says:

    godot10:
    There is some revisionist history here. Many in the oilogosphere blamed Hall and Ederle (and Schultz and Perry) for all the ills and losing.

    McLellan is as much to blame for the trading of three of those guys as anybody. How can a competent coach say that he is better off without Hall than with him?But one sees this over and over again with this coach and his deployment of forwards. He doesn’t seem to know who is good/necessary and who is bad/space filler.

    And now the mob is onto bashing Klefbom.Klefbom has been extremely poorly coached by this staff.They do not coach or play him to his strengths.

    Tired of this discussion.

    Nobody thought the team was better without Hall, but we needed balance, focusing on goal scoring and hoping the goalie bails us out only worked with a team full of generational players in the 80s.

  59. Dustylegnd says:

    godot10,

    Curious how all three have thrived in their new environment…I guess all three coincidently grew up and started listening when they got to their new teams…..how lucky for Pitts, NJ, and NYI….boy they are all fortunate

  60. UnjustEnrichment says:

    Bring back Todd Nelson, if he will come. As a coach, he is very able to work with younger players, rather than discouraging them.

    I think that Todd McClellan and his system have run their course. The players are now listening only when they feel like it. McClellan and his assistants are too rigid in their thinking and they are trying to force a vision on the team that is not consistent with the players they have.

    I keep asking myself if the team would have fared any better this year if they had just gone out to have some fun on the ice rather than trying to play a system they found overly constricting. I suspect they would have had a better record absent the system that McClellan was forcing upon them. A system only works if the players buy in, and the players will not buy in consistently because they realize the system has proven itself to be unsuccessful. Why keep doing what has not worked?

  61. Woogie63 says:

    Seguin, Hall and Kessel are all great hockey players on the ice. No question. Is that enough?

    If you are going to win your best players need to be all in. The 80’s Oilers saw that in the Islanders. It takes a confident manager to understand how the room is working. When you move past a star player.

    I am really happy for Hall he might have grown into man that others can follow.

  62. godot10 says:

    JimmyV1965: I think a smart and creative GM will find someone like Roland McKeown of the Hurricanes, a good RHD buried in the minors playing well for an org. loaded with dmen. This is the guy VOR has been beating the drum for.

    He’s not buried once they trade Faulk, which is likely to happen this summer.

  63. Dustylegnd says:

    Woogie63,

    Kessel has 2 cups…..

  64. UnjustEnrichment says:

    The best coaches are creative not stubborn. They are willing to recognize when something is not working. McClellan may be an average or above-average coach, but he fails because of his stubbornness and lack of creativity.

  65. OriginalPouzar says:

    prefonmich:
    In the nature of looking at the positives this morning , Jujhar Khaira has the best hair of any hockey player I’ve ever seen! And a great shot too. He and Strome look really good together. Leons passes, oh my.
    Also, I took a spin on the lottery winners spinny thing site and on my first try Oilers win!! We are back there…

    I really do like that third line – Khaira/Strome/Slep.

    Someone had previously posted the advanced metrics of Strome and Khaira together being very good.

    Ultimately, next year, I think we need to have each of Drai and Nuge in the top 6 (one of them to plug a winger hole) and Strome and Khaira as the 3C and 4C.

  66. Brantford Boy says:

    On 31 Thoughts…

    5. Newly extended Canucks GM Jim Benning raised eyebrows on Hockey Night in Canada last weekend when he said the team “would like to add a big player. Maybe a forward with some physicality who has the skill to make plays.”

    This is a full description of what we pay Lucic at 6M right, get it done Chia and all will be forgotten… until your fired…

  67. OriginalPouzar says:

    who: I do agree with your thought process on this.
    But are you advocating acquiring a top 4 righty dman this summer? Or would it be wiser to wait til 2019 when Sekera and Russell lose their full trade protection?
    Cause if you make the move this summer you are trading Klefbom. Both for cap reasons and to make room on the blue line.

    You nailed the one big issue, in order to open up the cap space for the RHD acquisition, one of the four $4M plus left shot D will need to go. Clearly Russell is the best guy to go but the one least likely to waive his NMC. I don’t imagine that Sekera would refuse to waive so that might be the option but its a much poorer option that disposing of Russell because Sekera is actually a really really good d-man – even if he only gets back to 90% health.

    Yes, Klefbom may have to go in order to open up the cap space for the acquired right shot D and that is a perverse result stemming from the Russell NMC.

    Russell could be bought out with a great cap structure (only 1 year has a cap hit over $1M and its the potential lockout year) – would management do it?

  68. godot10 says:

    Strome has two goals in 20 games.
    Strome has two goals in 20 games.
    Strome has two goals in 20 games.

  69. UnjustEnrichment says:

    McClellan also fails because he attempts to teach younger players by punishing them rather than giving them positive encouragement and opportunities to succeed. McClellan’s penchant for using ice-time as the ultimate tool of punishment is reflective of small-minded coaching. That sort of coaching ignores the bigger picture. By playing older players who are not part of the team’s future rather than younger players who should be, one is guilty of small-minded coaching, close-minded coaching, authoritarian coaching. And that sort of coaching causes the wheels to fall off the bus.

  70. frjohnk says:

    godot10:
    Strome has two goals in 2 games.
    Strome has two goals in 2 games.
    Strome has two goals in 2 games.

    OP made me do it.

  71. Pouzar says:

    godot10:
    Strome has two goals in 20 games.
    Strome has two goals in 20 games.
    Strome has two goals in 20 games.

    POLL Time.

    Does he get Qualified at $3M
    or
    Does he walk as a UFA?

    #BecauseChia

  72. Seismic Source says:

    Remember the lockout when everyone was killing it in the AHL and Yakupov was outscoring Ovechkin in the KHL?

    I truly thought the rebuild was foolproof then. I thought it was in the bag.

    Then last year happened and I thought it’s finally over because results.

    I’m so jaded now it will take a Stanley Cup win to prove to me we can compete for the Stanley Cup.

  73. StixMalone says:

    JimmyV1965: I think a smart and creative GM will find someone like Roland McKeown of the Hurricanes, a good RHD buried in the minors playing well for an org. loaded with dmen. This is the guy VOR has been beating the drum for.

    I think Chia will lose any big name trade and looking for help in the minors is the way to go. Just have to trust the scouts to find the right mix of players. These types of deals can be done and possibly work well in our favour. We wait impatiently …..

  74. JimmyV1965 says:

    godot10: He’s not buried once they trade Faulk, which is likely to happen this summer.

    Faulk ain’t traded yet and I’m sure there’s maybe possibly another similar circumstance somewhere in the NHL.

  75. russ99 says:

    StixMalone: I think Chia will lose any big name trade and looking for help in the minors is the way to go. Just have to trust the scouts to find the right mix of players. These types of deals can be done and possibly work well in our favour. We wait impatiently …..

    Yeah, let’s trust MacTavish, Howson, Sutter, etc. with another rebuild.

  76. russ99 says:

    Pouzar: POLL Time.

    Does he get Qualified at $3M
    or
    Does he walk as a UFA?

    #BecauseChia

    Neither. Either traded at the deadline or signed to an extension before the QO is due.

  77. flea says:

    UnjustEnrichment:
    McClellan also fails because he attempts to teach younger players by punishing them rather than giving them positive encouragement and opportunities to succeed. McClellan’s penchant for using ice-time as the ultimate tool of punishment is reflective of small-minded coaching. That sort of coaching ignores the bigger picture. By playing older players who are not part of the team’s future rather than younger players who should be, one is guilty of small-minded coaching, close-minded coaching, authoritarian coaching. And that sort of coaching causes the wheels to fall off the bus.

    Or maybe the GM is asking him to polish his assets he is about to trade?

    If he’s still playing these guys after the trade deadline, the jury is out.

  78. OilClog says:

    OriginalPouzar: A huge factor in this is the cap.

    We have a very decent change of plugging those top 6 winger holes within the next few years with cheap and internal options with a cap hit of $1M (plus potential bonuses – nominal for players except top picks – even Yamamoto’s are nominal).It may take another year or two to plug that hole but it can be done with huge cap savings over acquiring established top 6 wingers that will cost $4M plus with term.

    I don’t see the ability to fill the 1/2RD hole, now or in time, with internal and/or cheap options.

    Get a real player for the right side of the defence and fill the top 6 winger roles with cheap ELC contracts – that’s where our cap structure has left us, as I see it.

    Unfortunately, subject to acquiring one at the deadline, Yamamoto being more ready than some thing and/or us drafting one of the elite forwards, chances are we have a year gap until those cheap winger spots are filled internally – bridge that gap with a one-year contract to a free agent – no term.

    This is insane, absolutely insanity. What evidence is there that the Oilers, the Edmonton Oilers can fill in top 6 wingers with cheap contracts that will produce?

    Why why why would anyone not want to give Mcdavid a legitimate goal scoring threat? Why would you want to run Leon out there with pylons?

    If this team decides to just rotate cheap winger after cheap winger in the top 6, start the countdown… 97 and 29 will be playing in different cities within a few years.

    How many Oiler picks in the last 20 years have become top 6 players not picked in the first round?

    Horcoff, Stoll… am I missing anyone?

    This team will not succeed insulating its top 6 with cheap wingers.

    They did make the playoffs though with a LHD on its 2nd pairing playing right side while it had scoring, quality, proven wings in the top 6.

  79. russ99 says:

    OriginalPouzar: You nailed the one big issue, in order to open up the cap space for the RHD acquisition, one of the four $4M plus left shot D will need to go.Clearly Russell is the best guy to go but the one least likely to waive his NMC. I don’t imagine that Sekera would refuse to waive so that might be the option but its a much poorer option that disposing of Russell because Sekera is actually a really really good d-man – even if he only gets back to 90% health.

    Yes, Klefbom may have to go in order to open up the cap space for the acquired right shot D and that is a perverse result stemming from the Russell NMC.

    Russell could be bought out with a great cap structure (only 1 year has a cap hit over $1M and its the potential lockout year) – would management do it?

    Year three of that buyout is poison. Again, the cap conversation is never about just this year or next year. Any team has plans well beyond that. I’d rather see Sekera and Russell moved when their NMCs let us so we can sign Puljujarvi and Talbot in the summer of 2019

  80. who says:

    JimmyV1965: I think a smart and creative GM will find someone like Roland McKeown of the Hurricanes, a good RHD buried in the minors playing well for an org. loaded with dmen. This is the guy VOR has been beating the drum for.

    Okay.
    But then you are really not filling the top 4 righty dman hole next year. Unless you are expecting this guy to knock it out of the park next year. And that sounds a lot like pencilling in JP and Yamamoto for the top 2 right wing spots next year.
    I think the fans need to realize we are at least 2, and probably three years away from being a contender. If they make the right tweaks this summer they may sneak into the playoffs next year but it’s hard to see them contending for a cup.
    The cap issues and the lack of NHL ready prospects are huge obstacles to overcome.

  81. stush18 says:

    frjohnk: Yup.I agree.

    As I have said before, these are tricky waters with Strome.

    Oilers need NHL players but they need NHL players at value contracts especially in the bottom 6.

    Strome needs to be qualified at $3M or he becomes a UFA.Oilers need to know this week if they can sign Strome for between $2-$2.5M. If he says he wont sign for that price, the proper play is to trade Strome this week for an asset.

    I think the plays this summer are going to be (or rather what I would do)

    Nuge for a puckmoving RHD. (Faulk)
    Klefbom for a scoring winger (Hoffman)
    Strome as 3c.
    Buyout Kris Russell.
    Sign another winger. Or two.
    Keep slepyshev.
    Sign a backup to push Talbot

    Hoffman-mcdavid-JP
    Lucic-Leon-slepy
    Khaira-strome-xxx

    Nurse-Faulk
    Sekera-Larsson
    Davidson-benning

    Talbot
    Mrazek

    Not sure what the dollars are.

  82. Woogie63 says:

    Dustylegnd:
    Woogie63,

    Kessel has 2 cups…..

    Fair point. I am not as close to that, but he “seemed” quite childish on TML and the Olympic team.

    Side point that is relevant

    Sid sign a $8.7M contract in 2008
    He and a few others had to wait until the cap hit $69 M in 2015 before they could add a scorer for the third line in Kessel, that seemed to bring balance to that team.

    We might be looking at the same stretch of time to get McDavid the players he needs.

    Today I don’t think Sid is considered a wasted generational talent

  83. JimmyV1965 says:

    OilClog: This is insane, absolutely insanity. What evidence is there that the Oilers, the Edmonton Oilers can fill in top 6 wingers with cheap contracts that will produce?

    Why why why would anyone not want to give Mcdavid a legitimate goal scoring threat? Why would you want to run Leon out there with pylons?

    If this team decides to just rotate cheap winger after cheap winger in the top 6, start the countdown… 97 and 29 will be playing in different cities within a few years.

    How many Oiler picks in the last 20 years have become top 6 players not picked in the first round?

    Horcoff, Stoll… am I missing anyone?

    This team will not succeed insulating its top 6 with cheap wingers.

    They did make the playoffs though with a LHD on its 2nd pairing playing right side while it had scoring, quality, proven wings in the top 6.

    I think OP is arguing that we acquire cheap wingers as a stop gap until our own guys are ready to go. We do have legit prospects on the wing. In two years we should have some wingers ready to make the move to the NHL. Drafting and developing RHD is much more challenging than developing wingers. One thing I can guarantee. This team will NEVER EVER win a Cup if it can’t draft and develop players. If our track record doesn’t improve it doesn’t matter if we have McDavid and Drai. I do like Chia’s drafting though. It’s an improvement over the previous regimes.

  84. Neumann says:

    Chalk another one up to weird decision making from the coach 2 Lines of all LH players 19-97-91+27-29-13 and 1 line of all RH players 44-55-98…. there were even times where 5 of the players on the ice were LH

  85. Andy Dufresne says:

    wood99:
    PVR the game and watched most of it again and only re-affirmed what I saw last night. Oscar Klefbom is soft as butter and continually makes bad reads.I do not see what you see MR. Lowetide obout his play.I see physical talent but very little give a shit meter with him. At 6’3″ 215 lbs you should be able to win puck battles and not be pushed out of the play by smaller men. This to me is compete level. watch how many times he skates beside the opposing player with 1 hand on his stick and never engaging….Very frustrating……and he is supposedly our best d-man…..We are in trouble!!!!!

    This X2

    And when Klefbom gets moved for Barrie this site will be sent into a frenzy looking for tourniquets.

  86. Confused says:

    Pouzar,

    Qualified, cannot afford to bleed more talent

  87. Andy Dufresne says:

    Connoreah: There seems to be very little interest in acknowledging what was reported out of Jersey yesterday.

    Can we at least agree that, based on what Hall admitted to in his interview, there was a fairly strong case to be made to trade the guy? I’m not saying he’s not a great talent, or that Larsson represents fair value. I’m not suggesting he hasn’t grown as a person since he left, either. I’m happy he’s grown up.

    I’m just asking respectfully – if a player who was drafted 1st overall and expected to be a leader for a team openly admits that during his six years on the team he had zero interest in talking to his coach or listening to his coach, then doesn’t that player represent a problem? Not the only problem, but very clearly a big problem for a team? Particularly since Hall admitting this pretty much confirms what other players eluded to about issues in the locker room?

    I mean, can we at least acknowledge that Hall has admitted that he was part of the problem while he was here, and that his trade actually makes some sense now?

    Blasphemy I say……A pox on you and your house sir!

  88. Woogie63 says:

    Is Julius Honka for Maroon and a “Jones” type prospect a move the Oilers could entertain?

  89. JimmyV1965 says:

    who: Okay.
    But then you are really not filling the top 4 righty dman hole next year. Unless you are expecting this guy to knock it out of the park next year.And that sounds a lot like pencilling in JP and Yamamoto for the top 2 right wing spots next year.
    I think the fans need to realize we are at least 2, and probably three years away from being a contender. If they make the right tweaks this summer they may sneak into the playoffs next year but it’s hard to see them contending for a cup.
    The cap issues and the lack of NHL ready prospects are huge obstacles to overcome.

    I totally agree with this. We’re not finding any instant fixes here. It’s not happening. I hope fans have the maturity to realize that this process is two or three years away. Our GM should damn well realize that. We have McDavid and Drai and some nice young dmen. That and league avg goaltending could get us in the playoffs next year.

  90. OriginalPouzar says:

    Pretendergast:
    So after a game where the coach didn’t use any abvantages of a home team, we fire Todd.

    I don’t understand how the coach can simply not give a shit at all about things like line match-ups and defensive zone faceoff personnel.

    I get trying to match “power with power” – thinking that no opposition can really “stop” McDavid and it will open up the other lines to easier match-ups – presumably that was/is his strategy.

    With that said, while the 3rd and 4th lines were doing well with their match-ups and carrying the play, the top two lines were extremely quiet – McDavid wasn’t “winning the battle” against Chara and it would makes sense, at least sporadically, to try and get him out there against the third pairing.

    At least that seems sensical to me.

  91. OriginalPouzar says:

    JimmyV1965: I love Larsson. I hate the trade. No one’s opinion of Larsson should be based on the trade. It’s not fair to him.

    The exact same thing can (and should) be said of Strome – analyze the player and what he brings without reference to acquisition cost.

    He’s showing that he is a good hockey player and might, just might, be able to carve himself out a career as a 3C (who can move up the lineup) with special teams ability.

    He has a good shot and thinks the game well. He is strong enough on the boards and responsible enough defensively (and should continue to improve/develop his 200 foot game). He is re-inventing his game as a middle 6 player.

  92. Andy Dufresne says:

    wood99:
    PVR the game and watched most of it again and only re-affirmed what I saw last night. Oscar Klefbom is soft as butter and continually makes bad reads.I do not see what you see MR. Lowetide obout his play.I see physical talent but very little give a shit meter with him. At 6’3″ 215 lbs you should be able to win puck battles and not be pushed out of the play by smaller men. This to me is compete level. watch how many times he skates beside the opposing player with 1 hand on his stick and never engaging….Very frustrating……and he is supposedly our best d-man…..We are in trouble!!!!!

    Its like theres a good Oscar (Shawshank Redemption) and a bad Oscar (La La Land) . 2017-2018 has been 80% bad Oscar.

    Bad timing for the big Swede. Regressing in a year when the Organization is targeting an offensive 2RHD.

  93. Dustylegnd says:

    Woogie63,

    Sid went to his 1st cup in his 3rd year, still on his ELC….won the cup in his 4th year….mission accomplished, talent cashed…..everything else is gravy…. he got his gravy and dessert

  94. Gayfish says:

    OriginalPouzar: The exact same thing can (and should) be said of Strome – analyze the player and what he brings without reference to acquisition cost.

    He’s showing that he is a good hockey player and might, just might, be able to carve himself out a career as a 3C (who can move up the lineup) with special teams ability.

    He has a good shot and thinks the game well.He is strong enough on the boards and responsible enough defensively (and should continue to improve/develop his 200 foot game). He is re-inventing his game as a middle 6 player.

    I like Strome, but his other major sin is future cost, and he just isn’t worth 3mil.

  95. Andy Dufresne says:

    JD_Wry: Olympian Omark!

    Incredible number of ex-Oilers playing the Olypmics. Seems like all of our cast-a-ways are Olympians. Who knew. We must be good….right?…right?

  96. Gayfish says:

    Connoreah: CONNOREAH

    No it’s the damn kids making up stories.

  97. Gayfish says:

    Andy Dufresne: Incredible number of ex-Oilers playing the Olypmics. Seems like all of our cast-a-ways are Olympians. Who knew. We must be good….right?…right?

    Drake Caggiula 2022!!!

  98. digger50 says:

    The recent anger will hopefully drive change.

    Of course, In order to have balance you also need your perpetual optimists.

    The danger in optimism right now is that it accepts the on ice product with a shrug and “things will get better” attitude. It keeps everybody back in the rink with thier wallets open. It allows losing and mediocrity to exist.

    I don’t feel the need to get angry. I do feel that the organization must show accountability and commitment to winning and commitment to the fan base. If they are not willing to do that the only choice is to move on.

  99. Andy Dufresne says:

    wood99,

    You have to give any player until Christmas to adjust to his new team/systems/surroundings. I think Chia targets players for specific Roles and they targeted Strome as an above average 3rd line center with significant offensive upside. I think they nailed it…..if he continues on his current trajectory. Hoping for 2 years at 2.25 or as high as 2.5

  100. Andy Dufresne says:

    Brantford Boy:
    On 31 Thoughts…

    5. Newly extended Canucks GM Jim Benning raised eyebrows on Hockey Night in Canada last weekend when he said the team “would like to add a big player. Maybe a forward with some physicality who has the skill to make plays.”

    This is a full description of what we pay Lucic at 6M right, get it done Chia and all will be forgotten… until your fired…

    Jordan Eberle!……oh…..wait….

  101. Visually better says:

    Sail on big rig, you will be missed

  102. frjohnk says:

    Visually better:
    Sail on big rig, you will be missed

    or is he injured?

  103. Surrey Oiler says:

    stush18: I think the plays this summer are going to be (or rather what I would do)

    Nuge for a puckmoving RHD. (Faulk)
    Klefbom for a scoring winger (Hoffman)
    Strome as 3c.
    Buyout Kris Russell.
    Sign another winger. Or two.
    Keep slepyshev.
    Sign a backup to push Talbot

    Hoffman-mcdavid-JP
    Lucic-Leon-slepy
    Khaira-strome-xxx

    Nurse-Faulk
    Sekera-Larsson
    Davidson-benning

    Talbot
    Mrazek

    Not sure what the dollars are.

    I really like that line up. Question marks would be if JP could jump to the 1st line and if Sekera can regain form from last year. McLennan has got to go though, team isn’t playing for him no matter how you chop it.

  104. Dicky94 says:

    Chris Kreider back playing with the Rangers. Would love to see him skating on McDavids wing after the deadline.

  105. Pretendergast says:

    If Klefbom is the new target of criticism I don’t know what to say. Bad game? Sure. Outworked? That always seems to come up when big dmen dont constantly bring the thunder (ie.Petry).

    This size=must hit narrative should be put to bed. How well has being the top hitting team in the NHL worked for us? It shocks me why we are so insistent on running good players out of town. I’m tired of bleeding talent (on a good contract no less) to make other teams better because we keep trying to make players something they’re not.

    What many here value and what actually wins games are not always the same. A player failing in his role means he needs a role that suits him, not that he should change himself to fit a new role. The latter is much harder to do.

  106. Side says:

    Visually better:
    Sail on big rig, you will be missed

    Wow! I thought Maroon was traded based on your comment.

    A “sail on” comment, when no trade occurred? There should be rules about this kind of thing!

  107. Andy Dufresne says:

    Neumann:
    Chalk another one up to weird decision making from the coach 2 Lines of all LH players 19-97-91+27-29-13 and 1 line of all RH players 44-55-98…. there were even times where 5 of the players on the ice were LH

    Respectfully……its probably “showcasing” for trade-deadline week.

  108. flea says:

    Side,

    Maroon isn’t practicing this morning with the team

  109. OriginalPouzar says:

    No Maroon at practice today.

    My guess is that has nothing to do with being traded but I think he’s playing hurt since he took that “shot” to the back of knee a few weeks ago (and missed practice the day after).

    Drake practicing on the fourth line where he should be and where he can actually provide some effective play as an energy player.

    Lucic-McDavid-Draisaitl
    Cammalleri-Strome-Slepyshev
    Puljujarvi-Letestu-Kassian
    Caggiula-Khaira-Pak

  110. Dicky94 says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    I noticed one shift last night where he was in the neutral zone and went to skate backwards but all most fell over. Knee is definitely bugging him.

  111. Pouzar says:

    russ99: Neither. Either traded at the deadline or signed to an extension before the QO is due.

    Perhaps you didn’t read the hashtag.

  112. prefonmich says:

    Pretendergast,

    Bingo. Bingo! This is a fan problem in this town but also an organization problem. Players have been played above their readiness or talent level for years on this team. And then end up getting run out of town leaving with no confidence and finding it elsewhere. See Justin Schultz, Petry before him if we are looking at d but also Eberle to state a few examples. We are seeing it also with Lucic and Caggiula right now. Those are both guys that should be played (and paid for that matter) at third line or fourth to match what they can best offer yet both guys are being consistently played on top 2 lines and shocker they are not finding success there. Coaching issue but also a gm that hasn’t filled roster with enough top 6 wing options.

  113. Andy Dufresne says:

    Pretendergast:
    If Klefbom is the new target of criticism I don’t know what to say. Bad game? Sure. Outworked? That always seems to come up when big dmen dont constantly bring the thunder (ie.Petry).

    This size=must hit narrative should be put to bed. How well has being the top hitting team in the NHL worked for us? It shocks me why we are so insistent on running good players out of town. I’m tired of bleeding talent (on a good contract no less) to make other teams better because we keep trying to make players something they’re not.

    What many here value and what actually wins games are not always the same. A player failing in his role means he needs a role that suits him, not that he should change himself to fit a new role. The latter is much harder to do.

    Yes. 2nd pair LHD on the Colorado Avalance.

    Im Just Kidding! I think you are correct. But also think there is a harsh reality to these things. You have a down year on a team that is overstocked on LHD and short of RHD and you put yourself at risk.

    You can say that the whole team has had a down year and that is also correct. But its also the very dynamic that creates pressure. Pressure to make changes. A big part of it is timing. Could be very bad timing for Oscar.

    I have no way of knowing whats better for Oilers. RHD Barrie or LHD Klefbom.

    He’s on a value contract cost controlled for 4 more years….Is that a good thing for him? or does it just make him more tradable? I could see Klef for Barrie with Colorado retaining $1 milliion. BECAUSE TIMING.

  114. OriginalPouzar says:

    Pouzar: POLL Time.

    Does he get Qualified at $3M
    or
    Does he walk as a UFA?

    #BecauseChia

    Neither – he signs a 2-3 year deal with a cap hit in the $2.25 to $2.75M range.

    Notwithstanding what some posters posit, Strome is not a “replacement level player” who can be replaced with a waiver wire acquisition with a nominal cap hit.

    While he has not established himself as a true 3C, he is starting to trend that way and, yes, the last 20 games and the next 20 games matter. He is also showing proficiency on the PK, a skill he will likely get better at with experience.

    He is a versatile middle 6 player that is getting more comfortable as an Oiler – he P/60 and P1/60 put him right in the middle 6 forward range even after a tough first half of the season.

    I would like to keep this player. $3M is a bit high, likely, however his play over the last few months would warrant a cap hit approaching that number (if he can be consistent with that play).

  115. JimmyV1965 says:

    OriginalPouzar: The exact same thing can (and should) be said of Strome – analyze the player and what he brings without reference to acquisition cost.

    He’s showing that he is a good hockey player and might, just might, be able to carve himself out a career as a 3C (who can move up the lineup) with special teams ability.

    He has a good shot and thinks the game well.He is strong enough on the boards and responsible enough defensively (and should continue to improve/develop his 200 foot game). He is re-inventing his game as a middle 6 player.

    I think the difference is cap. Larsson is a bargain and 4 mill. Strome is maybe okay at 3 mill. Certainly not a bargain. If we can get him at 2.5 mill I’m much happier.

  116. OriginalPouzar says:

    OilClog: This is insane, absolutely insanity. What evidence is there that the Oilers, the Edmonton Oilers can fill in top 6 wingers with cheap contracts that will produce?

    Why why why would anyone not want to give Mcdavid a legitimate goal scoring threat? Why would you want to run Leon out there with pylons?

    If this team decides to just rotate cheap winger after cheap winger in the top 6, start the countdown… 97 and 29 will be playing in different cities within a few years.

    How many Oiler picks in the last 20 years have become top 6 players not picked in the first round?

    Horcoff, Stoll… am I missing anyone?

    This team will not succeed insulating its top 6 with cheap wingers.

    They did make the playoffs though with a LHD on its 2nd pairing playing right side while it had scoring, quality, proven wings in the top 6.

    I would love to give McDavid and Drai more established top 6 wingers, however, the cap precludes us from doing so given the current contracts the team is committed to.

    Young talented wingers on their ELC are often able to produce in the top 6 with good linemates – it happens all over the league and, in order for this team to succeed, the Oilers will need it.

    We don’t have the cap space to acquire established top 6 wingers without further gutting other areas and, not only can we not gut other areas, we need cap space to improve them.

    I don’t see any legit scenario where we are able to keep the important players (the core), fill the gaping hole on the right side of our defence and also acquire an established top 6 winger.

    I would love to do all of those things, however, its not reasonable.

    Top 6 winger holes can be filled with young and talented ELC players in time – that is the way forward – allowing the cap to be spent in other areas where more established players are required (i.e 2RD).

  117. OriginalPouzar says:

    russ99: Year three of that buyout is poison. Again, the cap conversation is never about just this year or next year. Any team has plans well beyond that. I’d rather see Sekera and Russell moved when their NMCs let us so we can sign Puljujarvi and Talbot in the summer of 2019

    Yes, year 3 of the buyout is indeed poison, however, will there be hockey that year or will there be labor unrest? That’s the potential lockout year.

    I hate buyouts – they are poison in general but I’m trying to find a way to grab some cap space next year to acquire a true 1st or 2nd pairing right shot D. I’m sorry but Russell (and, at this point, Benning) in that spot is not good enough and, frankly, Russell is #4 on the left side depth chart which is why I’d like to move him, if possible.

  118. Andy Dufresne says:

    You could be right. I know it feels that way sometimes.

    But for me, Justin Schultz was BEYOND BRUTAL as an Oiler. Not sure whose responsible. But for me its not the fans. Im a fan and I was as excited to see him come here as I was to see him leave.

    Petrey was one of those weird Ryan Smyth type of contract things (both bad management) But the cap space was spent on Sekera in that offseason. And this years injury aside I take Sekera over Petrey everyday of the week and twice on Sundays. I dont think the fans chased Petrey out of town.

    I was happy to see Eberle go. Loved him during the decade of darkness when winning was not an option. But he was not part of the winning equation moving forward. I dont think the fans chased Eberle out of town.

    Etc Etc JMHO

    prefonmich:
    Pretendergast,

    Bingo. Bingo! This is a fan problem in this town but also an organization problem. Players have been played above their readiness or talent level for years on this team. And then end up getting run out of town leaving with no confidence and finding it elsewhere. See Justin Schultz, Petry before him if we are lookingat d but also Eberle to state a few examples.We are seeing it also with Lucic and Caggiula right now. Those are both guys that should be played (and paid for that matter) at third line or fourth to match what they can best offer yet both guys are being consistently played on top 2 lines and shocker they are not finding success there. Coaching issue but also a gm that hasn’t filled roster with enough top 6 wing options.

  119. Pink Socks says:

    1) Lucic is here to stay, he isn’t going anywhere.
    2) Kassian makes too much to be a 4RW he needs a push.
    3) Kassian has looked good when placed with large players who protect the puck
    4) If RNH is moved we are up shit creek if 29 or 97 go down

    If I am GM from now until October, all of Letestu, Maroon, Cammaleri, Strome, and Benning are turfed at the deadline.

    Slepyshev – $1m / McDavid – $12.5m / JP – $2.5m
    Lucic – $6m / Draisaitl – $8.5m / Kassian – $1.8m
    Khaira – $.7m / RNH – $6m / NEW 3RW – ?
    Caggiula – $1m / NEW 4C – $1m / NEW 4R – $1m
    13&14F – $2m combined

    Nurse – $5m / Larsson – $4.2m
    Klefbom – $4.2m / NEW 2RD – $?
    Sekera $5.5m / Russell – $4m
    Davidson – $1.5m

    Talbot $4.2m / Montoya – $1m

    Pouliot buyout – $1.3m
    $74.9m total

    Assuming the cap as projected finalizes at $80m next year, there is still $5m worth of space. I can’t add a long term solution at 2RD for that unless I get Faulk out of Carolina. He likely costs a 2019 1st rounder + Benning + something else. If that can be done, I do it. 4C and 4RW are filled with burners. Still, I need additional room for a 3RW, even if it it Yamamoto.

    One of 2 things needs to happen. Either I find a way to get rid of Russell and that abhorrent contract, or I’m calling up Lou in Toronto and asking for his doctor to LTIR Sekera for a season.

  120. OriginalPouzar says:

    JimmyV1965: I totally agree with this. We’re not finding any instant fixes here. It’s not happening. I hope fans have the maturity to realize that this process is two or three years away. Our GM should damn well realize that. We have McDavid and Drai and some nice young dmen. That and league avg goaltending could get us in the playoffs next year.

    We are in the minority here Jimmy – realizing that the best path forward (at least in my opinion) is to not try and fix everything (1/2RD plus top 6W) in one off-season but this is a 2-3 year “re-tool”.

    We might suck again next year without acquiring a top 6 winger but I think its best going forward and for our medium-long term cap structure.

    Unfortunately, the majority of the fan-base doesn’t seem to agree and, more importantly, I don’t think (current) management agrees and I don’t imagine they are thinking along the same lines as we are.

  121. Andy Dufresne says:

    OriginalPouzar: Neither – he signs a 2-3 year deal with a cap hit in the $2.25 to $2.75M range.

    Notwithstanding what some posters posit, Strome is not a “replacement level player” who can be replaced with a waiver wire acquisition with a nominal cap hit.

    While he has not established himself as a true 3C, he is starting to trend that way and, yes, the last 20 games and the next 20 games matter.He is also showing proficiency on the PK, a skill he will likely get better at with experience.

    He is a versatile middle 6 player that is getting more comfortable as an Oiler – he P/60 and P1/60 put him right in the middle 6 forward range even after a tough first half of the season.

    I would like to keep this player.$3M is a bit high, likely, however his play over the last few months would warrant a cap hit approaching that number (if he can be consistent with that play).

    +1

  122. Bank Shot says:

    I’m another guy that isn’t all that concerned about wingers.

    It’s the least valuable position and the easiest to fill.

    The Oilers top two prospects are wingers and if they pick a winger in the draft this year, there is a decent chance that he is having an impact in the NHL in 2 years.

    The biggest need is a defenceman with offensive flair that isn’t a total trainwreck on D.

    This is one of the hardest things in the NHL to find. Hopefully Chiarelli can magic one up.

  123. Bag of Pucks says:

    Hall’s comments in that recent interview are interesting from the pov of both him and Seguin seemingly having to get traded before they both found Jesus in terms of a renewed commitment to professionalism.

    You could certainly envision a scenario whereby these 18 year old lads who become simultaneously famous and instant millionaires encounter a certain level of entitlement. I would imagine it’s hugely challenging to stay fully grounded in that situation. When the cheques are cashing and the girls are queueing up, you could see how a coach demanding a commitment to the backcheck is viewed as more of an irritant than a motivation.

    What I typically see with young players is they’re enthusiastic about these responsibilities until A) they start trailing in the game, or B) they simply lose belief that the coaches system works, and thus his demands are viewed as less viable.

    Too much, too soon for players who were too young. I firmly believe that’s where the Oil went awry with Rebuild 1 and possibly where they’re again encountering difficulties now. The boys may have the skills of men, but there’s a wisdom, maturity and professionalism that comes from being a vet that is a huge factor in sustainable NHL success both individually and as a team.

    I know one thing, I would hate being an NHL head coach in the era of the Millennial. The extent these guys have to go to, to get buy-in and then maintain it? Gord, it’s got to be exhausting.

  124. bendelson says:

    Pouzar: POLL Time.

    Does he get Qualified at $3M
    or
    Does he walk as a UFA?

    #BecauseChia

    I’ll go with traded this week for Boone Jenner.
    And yes, the Oilers qualify Jenner at the same $3M…

  125. who says:

    JimmyV1965: I totally agree with this. We’re not finding any instant fixes here. It’s not happening. I hope fans have the maturity to realize that this process is two or three years away. Our GM should damn well realize that. We have McDavid and Drai and some nice young dmen. That and league avg goaltending could get us in the playoffs next year.

    Yup.
    The next question is what to do with the management and coaching staff? At the year end presser do they tell the fans it will be 3 more years? And if so, are the fans willing to give this bunch another 3 years? Because they’ve already had 3 years and it is difficult to see any progress. You could argue that the big league club has actually regressed.
    What scares me is management thinking that with the right moves they will contend next year. And then they try and make some home run deals and strike out. It’s a very plausible outcome because at this point they are trying to save their jobs. The long term health of the organization is not a big priority for them right now.
    And judging by some of the trade and free agent signing proposals that I read on here, I think a good portion of the fan base would buy into the quick fix narrative.

  126. OriginalPouzar says:

    Caleb Jones is on the ice practicing today.

    Great news.

  127. Andy Dufresne says:

    OriginalPouzar: I would love to give McDavid and Drai more established top 6 wingers, however, the cap precludes us from doing so given the current contracts the team is committed to.

    Young talented wingers on their ELC are often able to produce in the top 6 with good linemates – it happens all over the league and, in order for this team to succeed, the Oilers will need it.

    We don’t have the cap space to acquire established top 6 wingers without further gutting other areas and, not only can we not gut other areas, we need cap space to improve them.

    I don’t see any legit scenario where we are able to keep the important players (the core), fill the gaping hole on the right side of our defence and also acquire an established top 6 winger.

    I would love to do all of those things, however, its not reasonable.

    Top 6 winger holes can be filled with young and talented ELC players in time – that is the way forward – allowing the cap to be spent in other areas where more established players are required (i.e 2RD).

    This sounds alot like Chia and Bobby Nicks. They may do exactly what youre asking for here with one or two little bonuses to boot.

    They already have another top six winger. His name starts with R and ends with NH (theyll be bringing him in at the dealine)

  128. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    OriginalPouzar:

    Drake practicing on the fourth line where he should be and where he can actually provide some effective play as an energy player.

    Haha … Hahahahaha.

    Coach is just fucking with you now OP. Drake will be on one of the top two lines come game day. Book it.

  129. Andy Dufresne says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Hall’s comments in that recent interview are interesting from the pov of both him and Seguin seemingly having to get traded before they both found Jesus in terms of a renewed commitment to professionalism.

    You could certainly envision a scenario whereby these 18 year old lads who become simultaneously famous and instant millionaires encounter a certain level of entitlement. I would imagine it’s hugely challenging to stay fully grounded in that situation. When the cheques are cashing and the girls are queueing up, you could see how a coach demanding a commitment to the backcheck is viewed as more of an irritant than a motivation.

    What I typically see with young players is they’re enthusiastic about these responsibilities until A) they start trailing in the game, or B) they simply lose belief that the coaches system works, and thus his demands are viewed as less viable.

    Too much, too soon for players who were too young. I firmly believe that’s where the Oil went awry with Rebuild 1 and possibly where they’re again encountering difficulties now. The boys may have the skills of men, but there’s a wisdom, maturity and professionalism that comes from being a vet that is a huge factor in sustainable NHL success both individually and as a team.

    I know one thing, I would hate being an NHL head coach in the era of the Millennial. The extent these guys have to go to, to get buy-in and then maintain it? Gord, it’s got to be exhausting.

    Another Witch! BURN HIM!

  130. exoilinxs says:

    Why does TMac have the propensity to never put McD out against weaker lines when we have possession in their end? McD got literally zero time against weaker D men last night. TMac neutralizes the house odds with his continued stubborn approach. It must be frustrating to the players. I know the argument for keeping TMac but I think the game has changed and he is refusing to adapt.

  131. prefonmich says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    Realistically, fans are not really responsible for any players leaving town, this is on the GM. We fans can, however, make life amazing for some players (as the 80’s OIlers who are still around in the front office can attest) and really tough for others. I think the last few months for Schultz must have been tough and what I remember is he never once complained but when your hometown fans are booing every time you touch the puck I’m not sure even the thickest-skinned person could be at their best in that situation.

    I also don’t think we ran Eberle out of town but the writing was on the wall for fans to continue the boos that had begun in the playoffs.

    And Schultz was thrown in the deep end here which is why he was BEYOND BAD. He started on a tear with Kruger’s team and lost confidence every year until it was down to zero by the time he left. He should’ve been eased into the league in an offensive role, playing to his strengths, not as a first pair d man expected to go up against the league’s best while still learning at the NHL level. It is said d take about 300 games before their true level is established. Oscar is still not at that 300 game mark but he has been in a 1/2 or 3/4 spot for the past two seasons. Nurse is another example of a young d who has also had that push and sometimes faltered.

    My point is just that many players who are in the developmental stage of their careers are placed in positions with too much responsibility too soon due to various reasons, then we turn on them when they don’t succeed. It is even happening a bit with Drai this year due to his contract number.

    I am not calling OTHER fans out either. I am a culprit as well. I am tired of Russell and his shot blocking notoriety, how about he tries to tie up a stick or stand up at the blueline or make a quick transition pass? Well you know why? Because he is likely not a top 4 defenseman playing his off side on ANY OTHER TEAM IN THE LEAGUE and he is certainly not paid the salary he receives from the Oilers on any other team either. This is not his fault, it is the fault of the GM and coach but it becomes his cross to bear when fans are frustrated and don’t know where to direct our frustrations. We can’t really boo the GM and coach but we can boo the players, so we do and it makes things worse, instead of better.

  132. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    exoilinxs:
    Why does TMac have the propensity to never put McD out against weaker lines when we have possession in their end? McD got literally zero time against weaker D men last night. TMac neutralizes the house odds with his continued stubborn approach.

    Well, how else is Drake going to get experience playing against top competition?

  133. Andy Dufresne says:

    prefonmich:
    Andy Dufresne,

    Realistically, fans are not really responsible for any players leaving town, this is on the GM. We fans can, however, make life amazing for some players (as the 80’s OIlers who are still around in the front office can attest) and really tough for others. I think the last few months for Schultz must have been tough and what I remember is he never once complained but when your hometown fans are booing every time you touch the puck I’m not sure even the thickest-skinned person could be at their best in that situation.

    I also don’t think we ran Eberle out of town but the writing was on the wall for fans to continue the boos that had begun in the playoffs.

    And Schultz was thrown in the deep end here which is why he was BEYOND BAD. He started on a tear with Kruger’s team and lost confidence every year until it was down to zero by the time he left. He should’ve been eased into the league in an offensive role, playing to his strengths, not as a first pair d man expected to go up against the league’s best while still learning at the NHL level. It is said d take about 300 games before their true level is established. Oscar is still not at that 300 game mark but he has been in a 1/2 or 3/4 spot for the past two seasons. Nurse is another example of a young d who has also had that push and sometimes faltered.

    My point is just that many players who are in the developmental stage of their careers are placed in positions with too much responsibility too soon due to various reasons, then we turn on them when they don’t succeed. It is even happening a bit with Drai this year due to his contract number.

    I am not calling OTHER fans out either. I am a culprit as well. I am tired of Russell and his shot blocking notoriety, how about he tries to tie up a stick or stand up at the blueline or make a quick transition pass? Well you know why? Because he is likely not a top 4 defenseman playing his off side on ANY OTHER TEAM IN THE LEAGUE and he is certainly not paid the salary he receives from the Oilers on any other team either. This is not his fault, it is the fault of the GM and coach but it becomes his cross to bear when fans are frustrated and don’t know where to direct our frustrations. We can’t really boo the GM and coach but we can boo the players, so we do and it makes things worse, instead of better.

    Fair and Balanced.

    I would only add that IMHO by the time it gets to where the fans appear to be having an affect on matters, typically the dye is aleady cast.

    The situation is created in equal parts by the player and the coach/gm. (and organizational circumstances)

  134. Alpine says:

    Great, we’re going after the way Millennials’ brains work now. Maybe boomer coaches need to change their approach.

  135. danny says:

    Hall puts it bluntly as per TSN Instagram / @amandacstein

    https://www.instagram.com/p/Bfd18o8Bsry/

  136. ashley says:

    Maybe

    There is a Taoist story of an old farmer who had worked his crops for many years. One day his horse ran away. Upon hearing the news, his neighbors came to visit. “Such bad luck,” they said sympathetically. “Maybe,” the farmer replied.

    The next morning the horse returned, bringing with it three other wild horses. “How wonderful,” the neighbors exclaimed. “Maybe,” replied the old man.

    The following day, his son tried to ride one of the untamed horses, was thrown, and broke his leg. The neighbors again came to offer their sympathy on his misfortune. “Maybe,” answered the farmer.

    The day after, military officials came to the village to draft young men into the army. Seeing that the son’s leg was broken, they passed him by. The neighbors congratulated the farmer on how well things had turned out. “Maybe,” said the farmer.

  137. ashley says:

    Taylor Hall gets traded to the NJD for Adam Larsson. This is the worst thing that has ever happened to the Oilers since Gretzky trade. Chia is a total moron. Maybe.

    CMD, Cam Talbot, and Adam Larsson carry the Oilers into the playoffs with a proper interference call away from making it to the Conference Finals. Chia nominated for GM of the year. Larsson trade labelled brilliant by many. Maybe.

    Oilers have a terrible 2017-2018 campaign with Larsson and others missing signficant time due to injury. Performance of Talbot and Larsson is inconsistent. Meanwhile, Taylor Hall is having a career season while looking at a possible playoff berth with NJD. Hall-Larsson trade is one of the worst trade in the history of the Edmonton OIlers. Everyone should be fired.
    Maybe.

  138. Andy Dufresne says:

    Sets up the 2019-2020 Stanley Cup between the Devils and the Oilers to be a real Doozy!

    danny:
    Hall puts it bluntly as per TSN Instagram / @amandacstein

    https://www.instagram.com/p/Bfd18o8Bsry/

  139. Andy Dufresne says:

    ashley:
    Taylor Hall gets traded to the NJD for Adam Larsson.This is the worst thing that has ever happened to the Oilers since Gretzky trade.Chia is a total moron.Maybe.

    CMD, Cam Talbot, and Adam Larsson carry the Oilers into the playoffs with a proper interference call away from making it to the Conference Finals.Chia nominated for GM of the year.Larsson trade labelled brilliant by many.Maybe.

    Oilers have a terrible 2017-2018 campaign with Larsson and others missing signficant time due to injury.Performance of Talbot and Larsson is inconsistent.Meanwhile, Taylor Hall is having a career season while looking at a possible playoff berth with NJD.Hall-Larsson trade is one of the worst trade in the history of the Edmonton OIlers.Everyone should be fired.
    Maybe.

    THANK YOU ASHLEY!

    I’ve been wanting to quote this Chinese farmer story for weeks…but just been to lazy. BEAUTIFUL. Well done!

    (and the Oilers luck out and get Jessie Pulijarvi with the fourth overall pick…SO LUCKY!…..maybe……………Tkachuk/Sergachev)

  140. frjohnk says:

    ashley,

    So you are saying that the best thing is for Adam Larsson to have a broken leg?

    Maybe.

  141. vinotintazo says:

    ashley,

    Pretty much, I didnt like the trade at first, but I understand what they were trying to do.

    After seeing Larsson play last year, I thought that it was worth it ( I still do). He’s a beast out there and was key to our success last year.

  142. JD_Wry says:

    Andy Dufresne: 2019-2020 Stanley Cup

    Andy Dufresne: the Oilers

    McDavid and Lucic to Chicago for Toews, Keith, Debrincat, Saad, three 1st round picks, and Coach Q?

    Edit: And of course, $15M.

  143. JD_Wry says:

    Andy Dufresne: Well done!

    Maybe.

  144. frjohnk says:

    JD_Wry:
    McDavid and Lucic to Chicago for Toews, Keith, Debrincat, Saad, three 1st round picks, and Coach Q?

    The GM trading McDavid will want to be jumping on the train out of Etown before he sends the paperwork to the league

  145. Andy Dufresne says:

    And Donald Trump Wins the Primaries! HAAAA HAAAA and the Republicans are sooooo f#cked!! ……Maybe…..

    Edit: too soon?

  146. Andy Dufresne says:

    JD_Wry:
    McDavid and Lucic to Chicago for Toews, Keith, Debrincat, Saad, three 1st round picks, and Coach Q?

    Edit: And of course, $15M.

    haha

    In the hockey industry they call that a PP.

  147. JimmyV1965 says:

    Pink Socks:
    1) Lucic is here to stay, he isn’t going anywhere.
    2) Kassian makes too much to be a 4RW he needs a push.
    3) Kassian has looked good when placed with large players who protect the puck
    4) If RNH is moved we are up shit creek if 29 or 97 go down

    If I am GM from now until October, all of Letestu, Maroon, Cammaleri, Strome, and Benning are turfed at the deadline.

    Slepyshev – $1m / McDavid – $12.5m / JP – $2.5m
    Lucic – $6m / Draisaitl – $8.5m / Kassian – $1.8m
    Khaira – $.7m / RNH – $6m / NEW 3RW – ?
    Caggiula – $1m / NEW 4C – $1m / NEW 4R – $1m
    13&14F – $2m combined

    Nurse – $5m / Larsson – $4.2m
    Klefbom – $4.2m / NEW 2RD – $?
    Sekera $5.5m / Russell – $4m
    Davidson – $1.5m

    Talbot $4.2m / Montoya – $1m

    Pouliot buyout – $1.3m
    $74.9m total

    Assuming the cap as projected finalizes at $80m next year, there is still $5m worth of space.I can’t add a long term solution at 2RD for that unless I get Faulk out of Carolina.He likely costs a 2019 1st rounder + Benning + something else. If that can be done, I do it.4C and 4RW are filled with burners.Still, I need additional room for a 3RW, even if it it Yamamoto.

    One of 2 things needs to happen.Either I find a way to get rid of Russell and that abhorrent contract, or I’m calling up Lou in Toronto and asking for his doctor to LTIR Sekera for a season.

    Hurricanes only move Faulk for a centre. And they have multiple better dmen than Benning in the minors. If we want Faulk, the price is RNH.

  148. Andy Dufresne says:

    JimmyV1965: Hurricanes only move Faulk for a centre.And they have multiple better dmen than Benning in the minors. If we want Faulk, the price is RNH.

    Faulk that!

  149. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    ashley,

    – Thanks for this: sh$t happens:

    Oilers have a great 2018-2019 campaign with Larsson @ 26 yeras old, really steps up with a healthy Klef. Talbot, re recovers from this year, and is looking over his shoulder at a back-up who is playing great. Meanwhile, Taylor Hall, now 27, slows down a bit, misses a chunk of games and team not happy with his locker-room presence. Ebs, @ 28, with the Isle in rebuild mode, score 20 goals, while Strome matures as 3C 45 point player, PK and half the price. Hall-Larsson trade is after year three considered better for the OIL than NJ. Who is Ebs? Chia gets some votes for GM of the year, as team goes deep in playoffs.
    Maybe.

  150. JimmyV1965 says:

    OriginalPouzar: We are in the minority here Jimmy – realizing that the best path forward (at least in my opinion) is to not try and fix everything (1/2RD plus top 6W) in one off-season but this is a 2-3 year “re-tool”.

    We might suck again next year without acquiring a top 6 winger but I think its best going forward and for our medium-long term cap structure.

    Unfortunately, the majority of the fan-base doesn’t seem to agree and, more importantly, I don’t think (current) management agrees and I don’t imagine they are thinking along the same lines as we are.

    Ya. Not looking good OP. If mngt doesn’t see the need for slow and steady progress we’re screwed. Instant fixes have brutalized this team over the years, both in player development and free agent signings.

    We’re hearing a lot of talk about trading RNH and Klef for something like Hoffman and Barrie. To me, at best moves like this are shuffling the deck chairs. At worst we’re sacrificing younger, better talent for older, less talented players.

  151. Andy Dufresne says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    ashley,

    – Thanks for this: sh$t happens:

    Oilers have a great 2018-2019 campaign with Larsson @ 26 yeras old, really steps up with a healthy Klef. Talbot, re recovers from this year, and is looking over his shoulder at a back-up who is playing great. Meanwhile, Taylor Hall, now 27, slows down a bit, misses a chunk of games and team not happy with his locker-room presence. Ebs, @ 28, with the Isle in rebuild mode, score 20 goals, while Strome matures as 3C 45 point player, PK and half the price.Hall-Larsson trade is after year three considered better for the OIL than NJ. Who is Ebs? Chia gets some votes for GM of the year, as team goes deep in playoffs.
    Maybe.

    Yes..But whats that got to do with Ashleys story??

  152. JimmyV1965 says:

    bendelson: I’ll go with traded this week for Boone Jenner.
    And yes, the Oilers qualify Jenner at the same $3M…

    That’s a really interesting trade scenario. It’s amazing how many teams need Cs.

  153. JimmyV1965 says:

    who: Yup.
    The next question is what to do with the management and coaching staff? At the year end presser do they tell the fans it will be 3 more years? And if so, are the fans willing to give this bunch another 3 years? Because they’ve already had 3 years and it is difficult to see any progress. You could argue that the big league club has actually regressed.
    What scares me is management thinking that with the right moves they will contend next year. And then they try and make some home run deals and strike out. It’s a very plausible outcome because at this point they are trying to save their jobs. The long term health of the organization is not a big priority for them right now.
    And judging by some of the trade and free agent signing proposals that I read on here, I think a good portion of the fan base would buy into the quick fix narrative.

    You’re scaring the.crap out of me…because it’s so true.

  154. OmJo says:

    Omark and a 2nd round pick for Karlsson.

    That trade is the only way Chiarelli can save his job.

  155. Andy Dufresne says:

    bendelson: I’ll go with traded this week for Boone Jenner.
    And yes, the Oilers qualify Jenner at the same $3M…

    Yeah….But even his name sounds slow……..Now Bruce Jenner…….Man that guy was fast…….uhhhh …Man that gal was…….uhhh……Woman that gal IS fast……oh forget it.

  156. who says:

    JimmyV1965: Ya. Not looking good OP.If mngt doesn’t see the need for slow and steady progress we’re screwed. Instant fixes have brutalized this team over the years, both in player development and free agent signings.

    We’re hearing a lot of talk about trading RNH and Klef for something like Hoffman and Barrie. To me, at best moves like this are shuffling the deck chairs. At worst we’re sacrificing younger, better talent for older, less talented players.

    Yup. I could see this management making those trades as a quick fix. Just digging the hole deeper when they should just stop shoveling.

  157. Andy Dufresne says:

    Awwww. Remember the good old days where every second post was a Weber to the Oilers trade rumour.

    OmJo:
    Omark and a 2nd round pick for Karlsson.

    That trade is the only way Chiarelli can save his job.

  158. Andy Dufresne says:

    who: Yup. I could see this management making those trades as a quick fix. Just digging the hole deeper when they should just stop shoveling.

    Speaklng of “quit shoveling”……WHO?………NO WHO’s on first….I’m tellin ya Who’s on first…….Who?

    Edit: apologize if youve heard that one before…you know….given your name and all…..What??

  159. OriginalPouzar says:

    Andy Dufresne: This sounds alot like Chia and Bobby Nicks. They may do exactly what youre asking for here with one or two little bonuses to boot.

    They already have another top six winger. His name starts with R and ends with NH (theyll be bringing him in at the dealine)

    I do agree with your last comment – if Strome and Khaira can handle the 3C and 4C roles (and that’s looking more and more like a real option) then we can load both Nuge and Drai in the top 6 and a winger spot is filled (be it with Drai or Nuge).

    This is a nice short term option to bridge the gap until our prospects are ready to produce with great value in the top 6.

    Unfortunately, I don’t agree that current management is on board and I think they truly are looking for a top 6 winger as their primary acquisition target – the exact opposite of what I personally think should be done for the long term cap healthy of the team.

  160. Oilman99 says:

    OriginalPouzar: I would love to give McDavid and Drai more established top 6 wingers, however, the cap precludes us from doing so given the current contracts the team is committed to.

    Young talented wingers on their ELC are often able to produce in the top 6 with good linemates – it happens all over the league and, in order for this team to succeed, the Oilers will need it.

    We don’t have the cap space to acquire established top 6 wingers without further gutting other areas and, not only can we not gut other areas, we need cap space to improve them.

    I don’t see any legit scenario where we are able to keep the important players (the core), fill the gaping hole on the right side of our defence and also acquire an established top 6 winger.

    I would love to do all of those things, however, its not reasonable.

    Top 6 winger holes can be filled with young and talented ELC players in time – that is the way forward – allowing the cap to be spent in other areas where more established players are required (i.e 2RD).

    The problem is Oilers have not one top six winger or top four r-d man. This is a massive problem that could take multiple years to fix,the bleeding will continue,playoffs could be three years ahead . Spending all the cap money on your r-dman solves nothing if you can’t score goals. Top six wingers don’t come cheap,just look at the mess Chicago has created trying to go with cheap wingers.

  161. Andy Dufresne says:

    OriginalPouzar: I do agree with your last comment – if Strome and Khaira can handle the 3C and 4C roles (and that’s looking more and more like a real option) then we can load both Nuge and Drai in the top 6 and a winger spot is filled (be it with Drai or Nuge).

    This is a nice short term option to bridge the gap until our prospects are ready to produce with great value in the top 6.

    Unfortunately, I don’t agree that current management is on board and I think they truly are looking for a top 6 winger as their primary acquisition target – the exact opposite of what I personally think should be done for the long term cap healthy of the team.

    You and I are hoping for the same thing. I am just more optimistic than you are! Bet you dont hear that very often around here! haha!

  162. Andy Dufresne says:

    Oilman99: The problem is Oilers have not one top six winger or top four r-d man. This is a massive problem that could take multiple years to fix,the bleeding will continue,playoffs could be three years ahead .

    IMHO playoffs are next year…winning Stanley is three years ahead. (maybe two BECAUSE McDavid)

  163. OriginalPouzar says:

    Perhaps I meant to insert my user name as “Optimistic Pouzar” and the site autocorrected it to “Original Pouzar”?

  164. bendelson says:

    JimmyV1965: That’s a really interesting trade scenario. It’s amazing how many teams need Cs.

    I believe CLB is going to make a panic move this week…
    I also believe Jenner would be a solid replacement for Maroon on 97’s LW.

  165. Andy Dufresne says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Perhaps I meant to insert my user name as “Optimistic Pouzar” and the site autocorrected it to “Original Pouzar”?

    HaHa….VERY Original…..and “somewhat” Optimistic.

  166. OmJo says:

    Cassandra: For those that are interested here is the full quote.

    “Since coming here, John Hynes, he’s probably given me the most accountability than any coach I had in Edmonton,” Hall added on Tuesday. “That’s been really good for me personally. In Edmonton, I didn’t really want to talk to coaches. I didn’t want to go and have dialogue with coaches. I just wanted to play and a lot of guys are like that. I think, here, Hynsie, we talk about a lot of stuff. He listens to what I say. He’s been a good sounding board on a lot of things. I think he’s been a big reason why I’ve been able to have some success.”

    There is nothing of note here.Certainly no evidence of anything, just a sounding board for our own projections.

    In general we should ignore what players say.They aren’t particularly insightful into what makes them successful and they are as prone to just-so stories as anyone else.

    When players are giving interviews after a game or between periods I choose to ignore what they say, it’s usually the same thing over and over. But when they open up I don’t think it’s fair to dismiss it as insightful.

    Anyway…

    Considering what we know about Eakins (ie, he was very arrogant – and he was) what struck me was: “I think, here, Hynsie, we talk about a lot of stuff. He listens to what I say.” Why talk to a coach who doesn’t listen? Do we really think Todd MacLellan listens to his players, either?

    I highly doubt he was talking about Nelson or Krueger, or even Renney when he talks about dialogue. Nelson and Kreuger were player coaches, I think everybody could agree on that and it shows in that they got the most out of their lineup – a lineup that wasn’t really close to as good as the lineup that MacLellan has had over the last 3 years.

  167. OmJo says:

    Brantford Boy:
    On 31 Thoughts…

    5. Newly extended Canucks GM Jim Benning raised eyebrows on Hockey Night in Canada last weekend when he said the team “would like to add a big player. Maybe a forward with some physicality who has the skill to make plays.”

    This is a full description of what we pay Lucic at 6M right, get it done Chia and all will be forgotten… until your fired…

    No way Lucic would waive his NMC to go to Vancouver. He’d probably retire before playing for the Canucks after what happened when the Bruins beat them.

  168. frjohnk says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Perhaps I meant to insert my user name as “Optimistic Pouzar” and the site autocorrected it to “Original Pouzar”?

    Should have been autocorrected to “Material Pouzar”

  169. Andy Dufresne says:

    bendelson: I believe CLB is going to make a panic move this week…
    I also believe Jenner would be a solid replacement for Maroon on 97’s LW.

    I agree it sound intuitively appealing…..but he’s UFA next year, he’s at $2.9 and he’s scoring at a lesser rate than Strome.

    How his feet?

  170. OriginalPouzar says:

    Geez – looking at McDavid’s possession and goal share numbers with Caggiula, even I can’t find any narrative to defend the coach – not to mention that Drake has shown to be an effective player in a 4th lone, energy role.

  171. Andy Dufresne says:

    frjohnk: Should have been autocorrected to “Material Pouzar”

    HAAAA……HAAAA….ha..ha.ha..ha

    LOVE it.

  172. vinotintazo says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    slowwwww

  173. OmJo says:

    JD_Wry:
    McDavid and Lucic to Chicago for Toews, Keith, Debrincat, Saad, three 1st round picks, and Coach Q?

    Edit: And of course, $15M.

    McDavid: “I promised Drai I wouldn’t do this.”

  174. Andy Dufresne says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Geez – looking at McDavid’s possession and goal share numbers with Caggiula, even I can’t find any narrative to defend the coach – not to mention that Drake has shown to be an effective player in a 4th lone, energy role.

    Drake on the Block …..Sleppy pulled back from the brink……..how do like Chia now?

  175. Andy Dufresne says:

    OmJo: McDavid: “I promised Drai I wouldn’t do this.”

    OK I guess its been enough years…..Cause this made me LOL

  176. Andy Dufresne says:

    vinotintazo:
    Andy Dufresne,

    slowwwww

    Thank you.

  177. OmJo says:

    frjohnk: If people are believing that Hall is saying that he didnt like listening to his coaches and would rather just play hockey, those people must also believe that a lot of players are like that.

    “I just want to play. I want to help and I want to have fun. It’s a simple thing. I want to play hockey.”

    Trivia: What other former Oiler, who played through the Eakins era and the first year of the McLellan era, said this?

    (Yes, different contexts)

  178. Oilman99 says:

    russ99: We have two issues that are interlinked:

    We have few options at the wing position that are NHL average, much less above average.

    Our system is barren of forwards, especially at the top level.

    At some time, the vicious circle of rushing picks to the bigs or signing college FAs and throwing them in the mix even though they aren’t NHL ready has to stop.

    If we do this, the talent in the system bubbles up, and in their place we are proactive this summer filling the top 6 with NHL options.

    As long as we stop giving away NMCs (they should be precluded if players want to play with McDavid and Draisaitl), then those players become moveable when the kids are ready, clearing cap room for the next batch of players we need to keep.

    Seems too many fans embrace the “kids will save us” approach more to keep players than to compete next season and increase chances for a cup run during the McDavid/Draisaitl 8 year window, which should be our ultimate goal moving forward, not tanking for 2-3 years and hope that this time we’ll get it right.

    Could be the only way to fix this mess is to trade Drai in a two or three for one deal,too many holes to fill, and not enough cap room.

  179. OmJo says:

    Andy Dufresne: OK I guess its been enough years…..Cause this made me LOL

    You know what they say: laughter is the best medicine.

  180. Andy Dufresne says:

    OmJo,

    Eberle?

  181. godot10 says:

    1) Taylor Hall said “playing hockey in February”. Ask Connor how much fun he is having playing hockey in February in Edmonton.

    2) As for Taylor Hall talking to coaches. Was there any real reason for Hall to have heart to hearts with Renney. He was a rooke and a sophomore playing well. Taylor Hall went supernova under Krueger, so no real reason for Hall and Krueger to be having lengthy discussions. He was injured half the time Nelson was coach. There was no time for heart to hearts. So one is really talking Eakins and McLellan here.

    3)Hall had said previously that everything Eakins said about training was contrary to all the professional trainers he had ever worked with. So he was paying attention. Hall may not have talked to Eakins, but he certainly listened and obeyed as demonstrated by the notorious Dellow article detailing how Eakins had made turned a 55% CF driver into a sub 50% CF non-driver. And people here were praising Strome pounding his stick the other day, so why is wrong with throwing a water bottle on the floor. And well Eakins came in hot saying my way or the highway….so he wasn’t exactly inviting conversation.

  182. Andy Dufresne says:

    Anyone here think the players dislike “close talker” Woodcroft…….its either that or he’s got terrible breath….casue they all give him the cold shoulder when hes talking to them on the bench.

  183. godot10 says:

    Oilman99: Could be the only way to fix this mess is to trade Drai in a two or three for one deal,too many holes to fill, and not enough cap room.

    20% of your players matter. The other 80% are replaceable. You should never trade away those from the 20% for the 80%, ever.

  184. bendelson says:

    Andy Dufresne: I agree it sound intuitively appealing…..but he’s UFA next year, he’s at $2.9 and he’s scoring at a lesser rate than Strome.

    How his feet?

    Actually, I believe he is an rfa this summer with the same $3M qualifying offer as Strome.
    I have his boots as ‘better then Stome’s’ and yes, he his having a terrible season!

    He is however, a ‘Chia’ type, is a shooter (WAY below his established sh% this season), can take draws for 97 (55% this year) and is way ahead in the takeaway/giveaway department.

    That said, his cf rel% and his ff rel% are just awful this year – I wonder how directly those numbers are typically tied to zone starts (62.7% dzs this season).

    And just for fun:

    Jenner: 320 games, 147 pts
    Strome: 317 games, 150 pts

  185. ashley says:

    OmJo: “I just want to play. I want to help and I want to have fun. It’s a simple thing. I want to play hockey.”

    Trivia: What other former Oiler, who played through the Eakins era and the first year of the McLellan era, said this?

    (Yes, different contexts)

    Yakupov

  186. Andy Dufresne says:

    bendelson: Actually, I believe he is an rfa this summer with the same $3M qualifying offer as Strome.
    I have his boots as ‘better then Stome’s’ and yes, he his having a terrible season!

    He is however, a ‘Chia’ type, is a shooter (WAY below his established sh% this season), can take draws for 97 (55% this year) and is way ahead in the takeaway/giveaway department.

    That said, his cf rel% and his ff rel% are just awful this year – I wonder how directly those numbers are typically tied to zone starts.

    RFA is correct. Thank you. If you are correct about foot speed then this IS interesting. Would you still be interested if he was targeted to play a second or third line role?

    Edit: Just noticing dude was a 30 Goal scorer in 2015-16

  187. JimmyV1965 says:

    bendelson: I believe CLB is going to make a panic move this week…
    I also believe Jenner would be a solid replacement for Maroon on 97’s LW.

    I think you’re right. It will be a fascinating story to follow over the next week. The jackets basically win when bobo is lights out. They lose when he’s avg and that’s happening a lot more lately.

    What makes it really interesting is that Carolina basically needs the same thing as the Jackets. What will the fan think if your team does nothing and the team you’re competing with for the last playoff spot gets a C?

    Seems to me a good GM realizes this and plays one team off the other.

  188. Andy Dufresne says:

    ashley: Yakupov

    DING! DING! Winner Winner Chicken Dinner.

    I think you got it….but we’ll wait for OMJO to make it official.

  189. russ99 says:

    Oilman99: Could be the only way to fix this mess is to trade Drai in a two or three for one deal,too many holes to fill, and not enough cap room.

    Hope it doesn’t come to that. If so, we have time, Draisaitl’s 10-team MNC doesn’t kick in until 2021.

    That would be a last resort in a future season. We have other trade options, cap space and players with NMCs that might be convinced to waive.

    I think Puljujarvi is a keeper, and could solve one of the wing spots. I like what McLellan is doing with him, making top line ice time earned rather than given. It may hurt now, but it will pay off in the long run.

  190. Material pocession says:

    godot10:
    .And people here were praising Strome pounding his stick the other day, so why is wrong with throwing a water bottle on the floor.And well Eakins came in hot saying my way or the highway….so he wasn’t exactly inviting conversation.

    There’s nothing wrong with either. I see guys do worse shit than that in rec hockey. Eakins over-reacted to a bit of water messing his hair. I also completely disagree with Eakins training methods — Hall was smart to ignore him on that one. That said, Hall wasn’t fully mature in Edmonton because he was a kid. Now he’s grown up a bit and changed his thought process, to his benefit.

  191. Material pocession says:

    Oilman99: Could be the only way to fix this mess is to trade Drai in a two or three for one deal,too many holes to fill, and not enough cap room.

    No. Replace the bad players. Retain the good players.

  192. JimmyV1965 says:

    Oilman99: Could be the only way to fix this mess is to trade Drai in a two or three for one deal,too many holes to fill, and not enough cap room.

    I think this is what they refer to as bleeding assets. What specific trade would work under this scenario?

  193. bendelson says:

    JimmyV1965: I think you’re right. It will be a fascinating story to follow over the next week. The jackets basically win when bobo is lights out. They lose when he’s avg and that’s happening a lot more lately.

    What makes it really interesting is that Carolina basically needs the same thing as the Jackets. What will the fan think if your team does nothing and the team you’re competing with for the last playoff spot gets a C?

    Seems to me a good GM realizes this and plays one team off the other.

    I was lurking on a few CLB blogs this past week… they are not a happy group and the pressure is on the GM to be sure!

  194. Andy Dufresne says:

    JimmyV1965: I think this is what they refer to as bleeding assets. What specific trade would work under this scenario?

    Erik Karlsson and we take back a bad contract like Mike Hoffman…. 🙂

  195. pboy says:

    There has to be a GM who will take Lucic off our hands this summer. Right? RIGHT????

  196. Andy Dufresne says:

    pboy:
    There has to be a GM who will take Lucic off our hands this summer. Right? RIGHT????

    Compliance Buyout summer of 2020?

  197. who says:

    godot10: 20% of your players matter.The other 80% are replaceable.You should never trade away those from the 20% for the 80%, ever.

    I agree with you on this.
    4 players from the 20 man lineup. Who are they on the Oilers?
    I would say Mcdavid, Drai, Nurse and Larsson. I would also prefer to keep Nuge, Klefbom and JP.
    When you narrow it down to 4 players the choices become very difficult very quickly. Torn between JP and Larsson and I still like Klefboms contract.
    Interested in others thoughts on this.

  198. Andy Dufresne says:

    Courtesy Tip….Canada USA Womens Gold Medal Game starts at 9pm local/edmonton time. 11pmEST

    Olympic Thought of the Day: “Norway…..Who ARE these guys!?!?!?”

    Im beginning to understand that old saying “Ten Thousand Swedes got chased through the weeds by ONE Norweigen!”

    I know the Vikings came from all over/around Scandanavia…but they had to be mostly Norweigens….right? Ya? Oli? Sven?

    Fauukers have like 58 medals…its like a medal for every 7 Norweigens or some damn thing…its like 0.053 medals per capita….No wonder they invented Viking Ships….its to carry home all those damn medals….

  199. Pretendergast says:

    Nuge for Panarin?

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