Tenth Avenue Freeze Out

The Edmonton Oilers got some breaks and good goaltending last night in the first two periods, finding themselves up 2-0 after 40 minutes. The final frame was most unkind, featuring three Boston goals, four high-danger scoring chances, some luck and a large amount of chasing the puck against an excellent team. You’d hope for a better result, but the possession numbers (61 percent Boston) and the shot clock (43-20) loved that dirty water. For Oilers fans, some of the younger players played well and that’s the kind of thing to look for during this very long season coda.

THE ATHLETIC!

MORE THAN A FEELING, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • February 2016: 3-7-0, goal differential -7 (6 points)
  • February 2017: 5-5-0, goal differential -2 (10 points)
  • February 2018: 2-7-1, goal differential -8 (5 points)

Some nice moments for various Oilers in this game, if the team was showcasing Jujhar Khaira and Ryan Strome for trade then the night was a success overall. Cam Talbot deserved a better fate in my opinion, even if he did head south on the GWG a little early.

AFTER 59, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers 15-16: 22-31-6, goal differential -41 (50 points)
  • Oilers 16-17: 32-19-8, goal differential +20 (72 points)
  • Oilers 17-18: 24-31-4, goal differential -31 (52 points)

The 2015-16 team would grab 20 points from the final 23 games, last season’s Oilers posted 31 in the same time frame. This year’s model? I’ll bet closer to 20 than 31, that 2015-16 team has been a road map all down the line.

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM FEBRUARY

  • At home to: Colorado, Tampa Bay (Expected 0-1-1) (Actual 1-0-1)
  • On the road to: Los AngelesAnaheimSan Jose (Expected 1-1-1) (Actual 0-3-0)
  • At home to: Florida (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • On the road to: Vegas, Arizona, Colorado (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 1-2-0)
  • At home to: Boston, Colorado (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • On the road to: Los Angeles, Anaheim, San Jose (Expected 0-2-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 5-6-3, 13 points in 14 games
  • Current results: 2-7-1, five points in 10 games 

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

  • Nurse-Larsson were 14-18 in 17:03, 0-1 GF. The duo matched the Bruins physically and were effective separating puck from opponent, but outlets weren’t crisp. Klefbom-Larsson on the horizon after the trade deadline? Went 1-12, 0-1 in 7:16 against Marchand-Bergeron-Pastrnak, who were frightening.
  • Davidson-Benning were 9-13 in 13:07, I saw them defending pretty much the entire night. Benning had a monster hit on Ryan Spooner, an absolute rattler of a hit. Davidson took a penalty for diving that was a terrible call by the ref. I think one of these men sits when Sekera returns Thursday. Were 0-2 in 58 seconds against Marchand-Bergeron-Pastrnak.
  • Klefbom-Russell went 12-22, 0-1 GF in 15:34 together. Russell hammered the post early, the pairing was not crisp with their outlet passing so were turned back consistently. Were 3-14 in 6:28 against Marchand-Bergeron-Pastrnak.
  • Cam Talbot stopped 40 of 43, .930. That’s three good games in a row by the math.
  • NaturalStatTrick and NHL.com.

FORWARDS, LAST NIGHT

  • Puljujarvi-Letestu-Kassian were 6-6 with 1-0 HDSC on the night, in 9:06. Todd McLellan rolled the line quite a bit, both veterans did solid work. I’m concerned about Jesse Puljujarvi, he seems betwixt and between right now. Growing pains of youth I know, hopefully he gets with some skill after the trade deadline. Were 3-3 against the Krejci line on the night.
  • Khaira-Strome-Slepyshev were the most effective offensive line, going 1-2 GF, 12-16 in 8:54. Strome’s long goal drought now over, he’s potted a couple lately. I like him best at center. Went 3-10 against Heinen-Backes-Nash line.
  • Lucic-Draisaitl-Cammalleri were not a strong line, poor Leon’s wonderful passes were mostly useless. Man what a waste. Went 7-13 in 12:01, 1-6 in scoring chances. I kept wondering when Leon would move to 97’s line but it never happened. Went 0-7 against the Marchand-Bergeron-Pastrnak trio,
  • Maroon-McDavid-Caggiula were 10-23 in 15:51, 4-12 in shots and 0-1 GF. McDavid was tightly checked and his wingers were poor. Maroon’s thought process is a house divided currently and Drake Caggiula can’t hang with the kind of opponent McDavid sees every night (witness the winning goal). McDavid was 12-20 in 15:12 against Zdeno Chara, coach McLellan not using his last change advantage in any way, really. Were 4-17 against the Bergeron line in 7:03.

OBSERVATIONS

I was at last night’s game, the first chance for me to look at the team since Christmas. Boston is a fine team, so the things that troubled Edmonton in this game were partly due to the qual comp. Things I noticed:

  • Connor McDavid should have drawn four power plays, he drew one. It’s a thing.
  • While we’ve been worrying about the right-wing depth chart, the left side has fallen into disrepair.
  • Talbot is seeing the puck well again.
  • Nurse-Larsson is a solid pairing, but you can see the wisdom of Klebom-Larsson. Oscar needs Adam’s defensive acumen and Larsson needs Klefbom’s puck moving. I think we may see Nurse paired with Russell in the coming days.
  • Who were they showcasing? Based on lineup choices, Drake Caggiula, Patrick Maroon, Mike Cammalleri and Milan Lucic get the nod. Based on usage? The entire Strome line.
  • Being at the game last night was fun, I stayed away from social media and checked in on the blog only a few times during the evening. One of the great things for me about this season is the success of Taylor Hall and Jordan Eberle in their new cities, I hope their success continues. That said, twitter has become six degrees of Taylor Hall (except it’s only one degree) and at times it seems every single Oilers mention ignites a Taylor Hall/Jordan Eberle response. If you feel that side of Oilers fandom isn’t for you (and your emails to me indicate same), I encourage you to opt out, or to fade those who do make it about those trades. Peter Chiarelli made those trades, and he should lose his job over it. You didn’t make the trade. It is not a reflection of you and you don’t have to make it a part of your daily experience. If it is impacting your life outside of the recreational time you put aside, then let it go. For your own peace of mind.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A busy morning on the Lowdown, beginning at 10 on TSN1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Darcy McLeod, Because Oilers. Last night’s game, how long will it take to turn this team around?
  • Scott Wheeler, The Athletic. Scott has his mid-season rankings out and there are some very interesting decisions. We’ll also talk about the state of the Oilers prospect list.
  • Jeff Krushell, Krush Performance. My friend has a new book! Plus baseball!

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

 

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  1. Andy Dufresne says:

    Pretendergast:
    Nuge for Panarin?

    Queue the Bread Jokes!

    Panarin…hes buttery soft
    Panarin…white bread has no grit…
    Panarin…the results are baked in….

    But serioulsy though it is an interesting idea.

  2. OriginalPouzar says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Courtesy Tip….Canada USA Womens Gold Medal Game starts at 9pm local/edmonton time. 11pmEST

    Yup, looking forward to it – issue being, my bedtime on non-Oiler nights is 9:30 – its a huge morning at the gym tomorrow. Will power through on 2.5 – 3 hours sleep I guess.

  3. JimmyV1965 says:

    Andy Dufresne: Erik Karlsson and we take back a bad contract like Mike Hoffman….

    👍

  4. Andy Dufresne says:

    Olympic Mens Hockey

    Canada vs Germany to see who goes through to the Gold Medal Game.

    IF anyone can slay the dragon that is OAR its CANADA!

    Can you say…”DO YOU BELIEVE IN…. grit and heart and hard work!!!”

  5. Andy Dufresne says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    PVR it …. turn all of your devices off….and wear earplugs/headphones at the gym.

  6. Woogie63 says:

    Gayfish: I like Strome, but his other major sin is future cost, and he just isn’t worth 3mil.

    Strome has covered his bet … a $3M center is Ryan Strome

    95th Center as measured by the cap hit
    87 Center as measured by points
    105 Centers as measured by TOI

    Eberle might not of covered his bet

    9th RW as measured by cap hit
    17th RW as measured by points
    38th RW as measured by TOI

    sources capfriendly

  7. Andy Dufresne says:

    Woogie63: Strome has covered his bet … a $3M center is Ryan Strome

    95th Center as measured by the cap hit
    87 Center as measured by points
    105 Centers as measured by TOI

    Eberle might not of covered his bet

    9th RW as measured by cap hit
    17th RW as measured by points
    38th RW as measured by TOI

    sources capfriendly

    Thank You! In a cap era this is critically important.

    I beleive its a material (homage to OP) part of the reason Strome was targeted by the OIl.

    This was a transition year for him. He should score at a higher rate next year, making this analysis even more interesting. AND if he signs for 2x 2.25 then we win the Eberle trade.

  8. --hudson-- says:

    I saved this article by Terry Jones a looong time ago after Tom Poti was traded for Mike York. Funny how his criticisms of Poti sound similar to those of Tom Gilbert, Schultz, or Petry. These type of articles I believe help cause the booing in the stands which sometimes ends up in a trade.
    —————–
    It’s a winner!

    Lowe beats up on Sather, getting York, a player with a big heart, for Poti, a player Slats once confided was ‘chicken spit’

    By TERRY JONES — Edmonton Sun

    The thing I don’t like about the deal is that Glen Sather was on the other end of it.

    Then again, is this the same Sather?

    It’s one thing that he just picked up a $10-million US salary for the biggest floater in hockey. But now he’s just traded a low-priced, high-return young talent with a big heart for Tom Poti of whom he once confided “we’ve got to trade this guy before everybody in the league finds out that he’s chicken spit.”

    Now Sather is going to turn chicken spit into chicken salad?

    CAN IT BE THE OLD REM?

    Rem Murray I understand. Sather is hoping the Rem Murray the New York Rangers are getting is the one he had when he was here, not the guy who has done next to nothing most of this season.

    Poti, I’ve been telling you for many months now, is a guy the Oilers are better off without. Murray went from being a rare heart to a spare part.

    So what’s not to like about the deal? You give up a liability and nothing for Mike York? You get a guy who has more assists and more points than anybody in your lineup?

    Now maybe this is like one of Sather’s first deals where he played Blair MacDonald with Wayne Gretzky (“A fire hydrant could score 40 goals playing with Wayne Gretzky”) then traded him to the first sucker to come along, which happened to be the Canucks.

    York comes here with 18 goals, 39 assists and 57 points playing with Eric Lindros and Theo Fleury. But he had 50 points in his rookie season. And the kid has great numbers in the faceoff circle.

    And, yes, I remember the old master Cliff Fletcher taking his Calgary Flames’ replacement Doug Risebrough to the cleaners with a big deal, too.

    But I don’t think the old mentor has outfoxed his protege. Neither, obviously, does Lowe.

    “Of all the major deals I’ve done in my brief tenure, and there have been a few of them, this is the one I feel the most comfortable with,” said Lowe. “This one I spent the most time on.

    “By all accounts, Mike York is a phenomenal person with lots of energy who never leaves anything on the ice. He’s stepping into our lineup as our top point-getter. I think Edmonton fans are going to appreciate his abilities. He has ‘Edmonton Oiler’ written all over him.”

    York, 24, is making $675,000 US. He fits the profile and the salary structure. This trade wasn’t about money, but York is making about $1.5 million less than Poti and Murray combined.

    You know where I am on the subject of the much-maligned Mr. Poti. I’m the much-maligner. I’m the guy who wrote the controversial ‘Poti’s Gotta Go’ column a couple of months ago.

    He’s scored one goal! And nobody has kept score of all those gigantic giveaways that take the air out of a team and take goalies off their game.

    I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the Oilers record with Poti out of the lineup this year was 10-5-2. I think they’re better without him.

    Maybe they’ll miss his minutes (24:32 a game). But not for long. The Oilers have young defensive talents coming up and just traded penalty-prone press-box regular Sean Brown to Boston for another one in Bobby Allen.

    To me the biggest thing with Poti is that he was never going to have ‘`Edmonton Oiler” written all over him.

    The guy has 29 hits this year. He’s a wuss. And I understand why he’s a wuss. He’s had to live his life so careful because of all his allergies and condition, that he plays the game the same. That’s why he has the league’s longest stick. So he can reach in instead of go in.

    “Mike York is a small little player but he’s one of the grittiest in the game. He plays the game like Edmonton fans want him to play,” said Lowe.

    Maybe, for the purposes of the playoffs, Kevin Lowe made this deal too late. We’ll see.

    But the Oilers are a better club today than they were yesterday for now and for the future.

    A LOT BETTER BALANCE

    “I never had a player of this type for him until as recently as today,” said Lowe.

    On balance, they have a lot better balance.

    “We’ve had more problems scoring than keeping it out of our own net,” is how Lowe put it.

    I asked Lowe what it was like to deal with Sather.

    He thought about it, laughed, tried to put words to it and finally said, “It was interesting. It was a good experience.”

    It was also a good trade.

    A very good trade.

  9. --hudson-- says:

    The article from above was so negative it drew a response from Bobby Orr that I also saved.
    —————–
    RE: “IT’S a winner!” by Terry Jones, March 20.
    Before I go any further, yes, my firm does represent Tom Poti and I have known this fine young man for a number of years. But it never ceases to amaze me how so-called journalists can present this kind of tripe to the public. Jones’s character assassination of Poti is absolutely unfathomable to my way of thinking, and this unwarranted smear campaign against him borders on slander. If you cover the Oilers, even at a distance, you must be aware of the type of young man that Tom is, yet you take liberties with his character and throw around innuendo as if you know what you are talking about. To make matters worse, you engage in some sort of self-congratulations. What an accomplishment! Imagine, you and others of your ilk actually take pride in this kind of denigration. Mr. Jones, while you sit in the press box eating your hot dog and drinking your soft drink, understand that having the privilege to write in a free press does not give you the right to indiscriminately attempt to destroy the image and character of a person like Tom Poti. He does not deserve that kind of treatment. More importantly, who are you to deliver it?

    Bobby Orr

    (Jones calls it like he sees it.)

  10. OriginalPouzar says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    OriginalPouzar,

    PVR it …. turn all of your devices off….and wear earplugs/headphones at the gym.

    I’m contemplating it but chances are I’ll stay up (if I physically can).

    I actually seem to have awesome workouts on short sleep (like when the Oil are on the west coast).

  11. PaperDesigner says:

    You know, Chiarelli is a genius. He knows how to free up the cap space.

    Only he could think to trade Eberle, and his burdensome six million dollar cap hit, for a vanilla bottom six player that is bad enough that he might not get qualified. In other words, Chiarelli go himself six million dollars worth of cap space for absolutely nothing but a mere single year of Ryan Strome.

    You know, so we can have Milan Lucic playing in the top six forever.

    This is a well-constructed team by a savvy General Manager, and such a patient, understanding owner.

    In fact, it’s a miracle that Darryl Katz hasn’t gotten more credit for putting together such a competent team in the past decade.

  12. JimmyV1965 says:

    Woogie63: Strome has covered his bet … a $3M center is Ryan Strome

    95th Center as measured by the cap hit
    87 Center as measured by points
    105 Centers as measured by TOI

    Eberle might not of covered his bet

    9th RW as measured by cap hit
    17th RW as measured by points
    38th RW as measured by TOI

    sources capfriendly

    Good info. My only quibble. Is there a gap in performance by $3 mill Cs and $2 to $2.5 mill Cs?

  13. OmJo says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    I know I’m like 2 hours late but Ashley was right, it was Yak.

  14. Andy Dufresne says:

    –hudson–:
    I saved this article by Terry Jones a looong time ago after Tom Poti was traded for Mike York.Funny how his criticisms of Poti sound similar to those of Tom Gilbert, Schultz, or Petry.These type of articles I believe help cause the booing in the stands which sometimes ends up in a trade.
    —————–
    It’s a winner!

    Lowe beats up on Sather, getting York, a player with a big heart, for Poti, a player Slats once confided was ‘chicken spit’

    By TERRY JONES — Edmonton Sun

    The thing I don’t like about the deal is that Glen Sather was on the other end of it.

    Then again, is this the same Sather?

    It’s one thing that he just picked up a $10-million US salary for the biggest floater in hockey. But now he’s just traded a low-priced, high-return young talent with a big heart for Tom Poti of whom he once confided “we’ve got to trade this guy before everybody in the league finds out that he’s chicken spit.”

    Now Sather is going to turn chicken spit into chicken salad?

    CAN IT BE THE OLD REM?

    Rem Murray I understand. Sather is hoping the Rem Murray the New York Rangers are getting is the one he had when he was here, not the guy who has done next to nothing most of this season.

    Poti, I’ve been telling you for many months now, is a guy the Oilers are better off without. Murray went from being a rare heart to a spare part.

    So what’s not to like about the deal? You give up a liability and nothing for Mike York? You get a guy who has more assists and more points than anybody in your lineup?

    Now maybe this is like one of Sather’s first deals where he played Blair MacDonald with Wayne Gretzky (“A fire hydrant could score 40 goals playing with Wayne Gretzky”) then traded him to the first sucker to come along, which happened to be the Canucks.

    York comes here with 18 goals, 39 assists and 57 points playing with Eric Lindros and Theo Fleury. But he had 50 points in his rookie season. And the kid has great numbers in the faceoff circle.

    And, yes, I remember the old master Cliff Fletcher taking his Calgary Flames’ replacement Doug Risebrough to the cleaners with a big deal, too.

    But I don’t think the old mentor has outfoxed his protege. Neither, obviously, does Lowe.

    “Of all the major deals I’ve done in my brief tenure, and there have been a few of them, this is the one I feel the most comfortable with,” said Lowe. “This one I spent the most time on.

    “By all accounts, Mike York is a phenomenal person with lots of energy who never leaves anything on the ice. He’s stepping into our lineup as our top point-getter. I think Edmonton fans are going to appreciate his abilities. He has ‘Edmonton Oiler’ written all over him.”

    York, 24, is making $675,000 US. He fits the profile and the salary structure. This trade wasn’t about money, but York is making about $1.5 million less than Poti and Murray combined.

    You know where I am on the subject of the much-maligned Mr. Poti. I’m the much-maligner. I’m the guy who wrote the controversial ‘Poti’s Gotta Go’ column a couple of months ago.

    He’s scored one goal! And nobody has kept score of all those gigantic giveaways that take the air out of a team and take goalies off their game.

    I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the Oilers record with Poti out of the lineup this year was 10-5-2. I think they’re better without him.

    Maybe they’ll miss his minutes (24:32 a game). But not for long. The Oilers have young defensive talents coming up and just traded penalty-prone press-box regular Sean Brown to Boston for another one in Bobby Allen.

    To me the biggest thing with Poti is that he was never going to have ‘`Edmonton Oiler” written all over him.

    The guy has 29 hits this year. He’s a wuss. And I understand why he’s a wuss. He’s had to live his life so careful because of all his allergies and condition, that he plays the game the same. That’s why he has the league’s longest stick. So he can reach in instead of go in.

    “Mike York is a small little player but he’s one of the grittiest in the game. He plays the game like Edmonton fans want him to play,” said Lowe.

    Maybe, for the purposes of the playoffs, Kevin Lowe made this deal too late. We’ll see.

    But the Oilers are a better club today than they were yesterday for now and for the future.

    A LOT BETTER BALANCE

    “I never had a player of this type for him until as recently as today,” said Lowe.

    On balance, they have a lot better balance.

    “We’ve had more problems scoring than keeping it out of our own net,” is how Lowe put it.

    I asked Lowe what it was like to deal with Sather.

    He thought about it, laughed, tried to put words to it and finally said, “It was interesting. It was a good experience.”

    It was also a good trade.

    A very good trade.

    Excellent piece. Thanks for posting it.

    Honest question. I sincerely hope/pray its takenby our host in the respectful manner Im intending it. I have the utmost respect for LT and Woodguy. The question is, do you give any credence to the idea that as media people they are among a larger group that foment bad feelings amongst fans when they speculate on the firing of Chia and TMac. Or more so when Woodguy continuously refers to Chia as an Idiot and campaigns to Fire the Mall?

    I think that Lowetide goes WAY out of his way to remain balanced in his criticisms and his years of experience have given him excellent instincts into how these things work/playout in real time.

    So i personally have no criticism of LT critques….or the manner in which he chooses to deliver them. IN fact his style of critque is healthy. But in the echo chamber that is todays social media can there be any doubt that it still fuels the fire?

    I guess Im asking because you state or at least imply that media crtisicms affect fans impression significantly? And that these then affected fans become too harsh on the player and then theres a snowball effect that can lead to players getting shipped out of town. Have I got that right? close?

    I like and count on LTs and Woodguys critiques….(I just wish WG would stop calling Chia an idiot and that there was some way to censor or tamp down “Chia is an Idoit” verbiage when it occurs in hear…..but thats probably not realistic on my part…plus WG puts a lot of work in on this stuff and has definitley earned the right to express his opinion).

    Dissenting opinion is valuable when, as LT might put it, it is devlivered respectfully.

    Personally, I do think media people affect fans significantly. I personally dont think the net affect of pissed off fans has as much affect on players being moved out as some would suggest. By the time the fans are booing or tossing jerseys the ice the dye is cast. In other words, jsut as the rooster crowing does not cause the sun to rise, the fans booing does not cause players to be traded. Just my humble opinion.

    Anyway what do you think?

  15. --hudson-- says:

    Andy Dufresne: Excellent piece.Thanks for posting it.

    Honest question. I sincerely hope/pray its takenby our hostin the respectful manner Im intending it.I have the utmost respect for LT and Woodguy. But do you give any credence to the idea that as media people they are among a larger group thatfoment bad feelings amongst fans when they speculate on the firing of Chia and TMac. Or more so when Woodguy continuously refers to Chia as an Idiot and campaigns to Fire the Mall?

    I get that Lowetide goes WAY out of his way to remain balanced in his criticisms and his years of experience have given him excellent instincts into how these things work/playout in real time.

    So i personally have no criticism of LT critques….or the manner in which he chooses to deliver them. IN fact his style of critque is healthy. But in the echo chamber that is todays social media there can there be any doubt that it fuels the fire?

    I guess Im asking because you state or at least imply that media crtisicms affect fans impression significantly?

    I like and count on LTs and Woodguys critiques….I just wish WG would stop calling Chia an idiot and that there was some way to censor or tamp down “Chia is an Idoit” verbage when it occurs in hear…..but thats probably no realistic on my part.

    Dissenting opinion is valuable when, as LT might put it, it is devlivered respectfully.

    Personally, I do think media people affect fans significantly. I personally dont think the net affectof pissed off fans has as much affect on players being moved out as some would suggest. By the time the fans are booing or tossing jerseys the ice the dye is cast. In other words, jsut as the rooster crowing does not cause the sun to rise, the fans booing does not cause players to be traded. Just my humble opinion.

    Anyway what do you think?

    At the time, Terry Jones would have been very influential since a lot of Oiler fans would read the Sun, Journal or both. Todays equivalent would be Drew Remenda calling out Eberle or Spector writing about Lucic needing to reinvent his game. I would bet a large number of people who attend games read those articles or here those soundclips. The growth of the internet and social media no doubt is diluting this influence.

    LT and Woodguy do not have the same audience size so they would not have the same influence. They are also impersonal in their critique – I’ve never seen them call anyone a wuss or an idiot. That’s certainly not LT’s MO and Woodguy wouldn’t be a guest on Oilers Now if that was his reputation.

    Now they are extremely influential on the audience of this blog, but I assume this is a small number compared to the size of the fanbase. Although all of the Oiler fans I now read this blog regularly.

  16. dustrock says:

    If the ask for Karlsson & Ryan was Klefbom, Lucic and 2019 1st, do you do it?

    Might as well go full HFB here.

  17. Woogie63 says:

    JimmyV1965: Good info. My only quibble. Is there a gap in performance by $3 mill Cs and $2 to $2.5 mill Cs?

    Since you asked …

    Not counting centers on their ELC, their cap hit is normally under $3.

    their are 20 centers in the NHL making less than $3M but scoring more than Strome. Some are great signings Teravainen, Hertl, but some are break out years Karlsson, Haula, Kempe

  18. Andy Dufresne says:

    –hudson–: At the time, Terry Jones would have been very influential since a lot of Oiler fans would read the Sun, Journal or both.Todays equivalent would be Drew Remenda calling out Eberle or Spector writing about Lucic needing to reinvent his game.I would bet a large number of people who attend games read those articles or here those soundclips.The growth of the internet and social media no doubt is diluting this influence.

    LT and Woodguy do not have the same audience size so they would not have the same influence.They are also impersonal in their critique – I’ve never seen them call anyone a wuss or an idiot.That’s certainly not LT’s MO and Woodguy wouldn’t be a guest on Oilers Now if that was his reputation.

    Now they are extremely influential on the audience of this blog, but I assume this is a small number compared to the size of the fanbase.Although all of the Oiler fans I now read this blog regularly.

    Thank you for your response. You gave me a light bulb moment there when you differeniate between posting on a blog and “broadcasting” because youre right. Neither LT or Woodguy use derogatory terms on the airwaves. Its just in here that WG feels free to speak (perhaps more casually) to this rather select group of people. Thanks for helping me gain some perspective on that. Its a small thing but its been bugging me for awhile.

  19. Pretendergast says:

    dustrock,

    In a heartbeat, but we’d have to add probably Yamamoto +. It’s Eric freaking Karlsson and Ottawa already traded some good youth for Duchene, theyll wanna replenish at least a bit.

    Can also think of at least 3 more teams off the top of my head who have more to offer.

  20. JimmyV1965 says:

    Woogie63: Since you asked …

    Not counting centers on their ELC, their cap hit is normally under $3.

    their are 20 centers in the NHL making less than $3M but scoring more than Strome.Some are great signings Teravainen, Hertl, but some are break out years Karlsson, Haula, Kempe

    Thanks for the really good info. I guess we should be happy with Strome at $3 mill. Geez, I even hate writing it. LOL

  21. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Woogie63: Strome has covered his bet … a $3M center is Ryan Strome

    95th Center as measured by the cap hit
    87 Center as measured by points
    105 Centers as measured by TOI

    Eberle might not of covered his bet

    9th RW as measured by cap hit
    17th RW as measured by points
    38th RW as measured by TOI

    sources capfriendly

    So Eberle has 17th most points while only getting 38th most ice time.

    All that proves is that he is outscoring his 2nd line ice time with 1st line level production.

    What’s your point?

    Please, in the interest of fairness do the same exercise for 6m left wing Milan Lucic.

  22. Bling says:

    I don’t think the Oilers can afford to let Strome go. The lack of forward depth is just appalling.

    A two year deal for 2.5 should work for both sides.

  23. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bling:
    I don’t think the Oilers can afford to let Strome go. The lack of forward depth is just appalling.

    A two year deal for 2.5 should work for both sides.

    Quoted for truth!

  24. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ostaf Safin with a late second period assist.

    Being forced to play center again – sigh!

  25. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    You asked me why I thought this was a buyers’ market.

    Friedman now agrees with me:

    Friedman – there are a lot more teams that want to sell than teams that want to buy. It makes it harder to do what you want to do on the trade market

  26. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Sellers:
    Montreal
    NY Rangers
    Chicago
    Edmonton
    Vancouver
    Arizona
    Buffalo
    Florida
    Detroit
    Ottawa

    10 sellers to service 21 potential playoff teams, many of whom are on the edge and unlikely to go for broke.

  27. OriginalPouzar says:

    I respect Friedman, of course, however I’ve also read various reports from others in the industry stating that prices are high and it remains a sellers market.

    For one example, there are not many centers available and, apparently, Letestu has received quite a bit of interest.

    We won’t know for sure until close to (or on) Monday.

  28. Bank Shot says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Courtesy Tip….Canada USA Womens Gold Medal Game starts at 9pm local/edmonton time. 11pmEST

    Olympic Thought of the Day: “Norway…..Who ARE these guys!?!?!?”

    Im beginning to understand that old saying “Ten Thousand Swedes got chased through the weeds by ONE Norweigen!”

    I know the Vikings came from all over/around Scandanavia…but they had to be mostly Norweigens….right? Ya? Oli? Sven?

    Fauukers have like 58 medals…its like a medal for every 7 Norweigens or some damn thing…its like 0.053 medals per capita….No wonder they invented Viking Ships….its to carry home all those damn medals….

    It’s because Norway is good at cross country skiing, and they have like 862 different medals handed out for what is essentially the same thing.

  29. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Yeah, we will see. But until someone pays an actual high price then asking prices being high does not make it a sellers’ market. Let’s see who caves first.

    Letestu’s value may be suprisingly high, I give you that. Maroon’s maybe low with Kreider, Nash, Grabner, Zuccarello, Pacioretty etc on the block.

  30. Woogie63 says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): So Eberle has 17th most points while only getting 38th most ice time.

    All that proves is that he is outscoring his 2nd line ice time with 1st line level production.

    What’s your point?

    Please, in the interest of fairness do the same exercise for 6m left wing Milan Lucic.

  31. Surrey Oiler says:

    dustrock:
    If the ask for Karlsson & Ryan was Klefbom, Lucic and 2019 1st, do you do it?

    Might as well go full HFB here.

    No way that gets done, it would have to be 2018 1st and a top prospect like Bear added to your deal

  32. Woogie63 says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): So Eberle has 17th most points while only getting 38th most ice time.

    All that proves is that he is outscoring his 2nd line ice time with 1st line level production.

    What’s your point?

    Please, in the interest of fairness do the same exercise for 6m left wing Milan Lucic.

    Lucic vs. LW

    13th for cap hit
    42nd for Points
    47th for TOI

    Not sure my you request this we all know the player is having a bad season.

    My point would be are we getting $3M of value (by NHL terms for Mr. Strome). There is an argument that we are.

  33. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Woogie63,

    Why do I request it? Because saying Strome might be worth his cap hit, which is 2.5m by the way, is irrelevant to what Eberle is doing. Just like what Lucic is doing is irrelevant.

    To me they are all independent

    Strome seems to be fair value at 2.5m for what he brings. He isn’t worth 3m because his cap hit isn’t 3m. That is his salary.

    What Eberle brings is not relevant to your point.

    But if we go down that route as somehow trying to justify your Strome argument Eberle gets paid like a 1st liner, but gets only 2nd line ice time, yet he still produces like a 1st liner. Seems good to me, no?

    Lucic though gets paid like a 1st liner. produces like a 2nd liner, but he gets 2nd line ice time. So he is doing about what is expected, actually. He just gets paid too much.

  34. JimmyV1965 says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    OriginalPouzar,

    Yeah, we will see. But until someone pays an actual high price then asking prices being high does not make it a sellers’ market. Let’s see who caves first.

    Letestu’s value may be suprisingly high, I give you that. Maroon’s maybe low with Kreider, Nash, Grabner, Zuccarello, Pacioretty etc on the block.

    Your mixing in contract players with UFA rentals here. Two completely separate markets.

    Maroon’s cap hit is way lower than those players you mentioned as well. It opens up the market to more teams and some teams are teetering close to the cap. They simply can’t afford the contracts. Not sure how LTIR factors in for some teams.

    Nash is probably the best LW UFA, but he has fewer points than Maroon and a $7 mill contract. Even 20% of that is $1.4 mill.

  35. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Karlsson will go to Tampa for something like
    Sergachev, Callahan (salary), 2018 1st, conditional 2019 1st, prospect.

    No way he is coming here, certainly not for a package with Lucic in it.

  36. JimmyV1965 says:

    I’m not being a Chia apologist, but this is exactly what he was hoping to achieve with the Eberle cap savings. He was hoping to load up with free agents at the deadline. The trade was still a gross overpayment though.

  37. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    JimmyV1965,

    Nash is by far the better player vs Maroon. How many points would Nash have on McDavid’s wing?

    Better skater, much better defensively.

    I am not mixing anything up.

  38. gwdsfo says:

    Post-NHL Trade Deadline 2018 Edmonton Oilers Lines v. Los Tiburones – February 27, 2018

    I’m very much looking forward to watching the Oil @ the Shark Tank on Tuesday sporting a lineup for the future along the lines of…

    G-Talbot
    D1-Klefbom-Larsen
    D2-Nurse-Sekara
    D3-Davidson-Benning
    F1-JJ-Leon-Anton
    F2-Iiro-Connor-Jesse
    F3-Lucic-Nuge-Rattie
    F4-Drake-Stromer-Kass

  39. Woogie63 says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    Woogie63,

    Why do I request it? Because saying Strome might be worth his cap hit, which is 2.5m by the way, is irrelevant to what Eberle is doing. Just like what Lucic is doing is irrelevant.

    To me they are all independent

    Strome seems to be fair value at 2.5m for what he brings. He isn’t worth 3m because his cap hit isn’t 3m. That is his salary.

    What Eberle brings is not relevant to your point.

    But if we go down that route as somehow trying to justify your Strome argument Eberle gets paid like a 1st liner, but gets only 2nd line ice time, yet he still produces like a 1st liner. Seems good to me, no?

    Lucic though gets paid like a 1st liner. produces like a 2nd liner, but he gets 2nd line ice time. So he is doing about what is expected, actually. He just gets paid too much.

    I stand corrected the salary is $2.5m

    My post was in response to a gayfish that said Strome was not worth his cap hit.
    My input was to demonstrate he has covered his bet.

  40. godot10 says:

    –hudson–:
    I saved this article by Terry Jones a looong time ago after Tom Poti was traded for Mike York.Funny how his criticisms of Poti sound similar to those of Tom Gilbert, Schultz, or Petry.These type of articles I believe help cause the booing in the stands which sometimes ends up in a trade.
    —————–
    It’s a winner!

    Lowe beats up on Sather, getting York, a player with a big heart, for Poti, a player Slats once confided was ‘chicken spit’

    By TERRY JONES — Edmonton Sun

    The thing I don’t like about the deal is that Glen Sather was on the other end of it.

    Then again, is this the same Sather?

    It’s one thing that he just picked up a $10-million US salary for the biggest floater in hockey. But now he’s just traded a low-priced, high-return young talent with a big heart for Tom Poti of whom he once confided “we’ve got to trade this guy before everybody in the league finds out that he’s chicken spit.”

    Now Sather is going to turn chicken spit into chicken salad?

    CAN IT BE THE OLD REM?

    Rem Murray I understand. Sather is hoping the Rem Murray the New York Rangers are getting is the one he had when he was here, not the guy who has done next to nothing most of this season.

    Poti, I’ve been telling you for many months now, is a guy the Oilers are better off without. Murray went from being a rare heart to a spare part.

    So what’s not to like about the deal? You give up a liability and nothing for Mike York? You get a guy who has more assists and more points than anybody in your lineup?

    Now maybe this is like one of Sather’s first deals where he played Blair MacDonald with Wayne Gretzky (“A fire hydrant could score 40 goals playing with Wayne Gretzky”) then traded him to the first sucker to come along, which happened to be the Canucks.

    York comes here with 18 goals, 39 assists and 57 points playing with Eric Lindros and Theo Fleury. But he had 50 points in his rookie season. And the kid has great numbers in the faceoff circle.

    And, yes, I remember the old master Cliff Fletcher taking his Calgary Flames’ replacement Doug Risebrough to the cleaners with a big deal, too.

    But I don’t think the old mentor has outfoxed his protege. Neither, obviously, does Lowe.

    “Of all the major deals I’ve done in my brief tenure, and there have been a few of them, this is the one I feel the most comfortable with,” said Lowe. “This one I spent the most time on.

    “By all accounts, Mike York is a phenomenal person with lots of energy who never leaves anything on the ice. He’s stepping into our lineup as our top point-getter. I think Edmonton fans are going to appreciate his abilities. He has ‘Edmonton Oiler’ written all over him.”

    York, 24, is making $675,000 US. He fits the profile and the salary structure. This trade wasn’t about money, but York is making about $1.5 million less than Poti and Murray combined.

    You know where I am on the subject of the much-maligned Mr. Poti. I’m the much-maligner. I’m the guy who wrote the controversial ‘Poti’s Gotta Go’ column a couple of months ago.

    He’s scored one goal! And nobody has kept score of all those gigantic giveaways that take the air out of a team and take goalies off their game.

    I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the Oilers record with Poti out of the lineup this year was 10-5-2. I think they’re better without him.

    Maybe they’ll miss his minutes (24:32 a game). But not for long. The Oilers have young defensive talents coming up and just traded penalty-prone press-box regular Sean Brown to Boston for another one in Bobby Allen.

    To me the biggest thing with Poti is that he was never going to have ‘`Edmonton Oiler” written all over him.

    The guy has 29 hits this year. He’s a wuss. And I understand why he’s a wuss. He’s had to live his life so careful because of all his allergies and condition, that he plays the game the same. That’s why he has the league’s longest stick. So he can reach in instead of go in.

    “Mike York is a small little player but he’s one of the grittiest in the game. He plays the game like Edmonton fans want him to play,” said Lowe.

    Maybe, for the purposes of the playoffs, Kevin Lowe made this deal too late. We’ll see.

    But the Oilers are a better club today than they were yesterday for now and for the future.

    A LOT BETTER BALANCE

    “I never had a player of this type for him until as recently as today,” said Lowe.

    On balance, they have a lot better balance.

    “We’ve had more problems scoring than keeping it out of our own net,” is how Lowe put it.

    I asked Lowe what it was like to deal with Sather.

    He thought about it, laughed, tried to put words to it and finally said, “It was interesting. It was a good experience.”

    It was also a good trade.

    A very good trade.

    Tom Poti had the last laugh.
    His injury-shortened career stats are still quite good.

    824 regular games,69 goals, 258 assists, 0.4 PPG
    51 playoff games, 2 goals, 17 assists, 0.37 PPG

    Solid 2nd pairing defensemen over his career.

  41. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Woogie63: I stand corrected the salary is $2.5m

    My post was in response to a gayfish that said Strome was not worth his cap hit.
    My input was to demonstrate he has covered his bet.

    So it would seem Strome has provided 2.5m centre production

    Eberle has nothing to do with that, though, and he has fully provided value as well. Unless you think 1st line production from 2nd line minutes is a bad thing.

    As Jimmy said, the deal was cap space plus Strome for Eberle because Eberle is quite clearly the better player. Value was lost in the deal. The key was what was going to be done with the cap space to replace Eberle. If it had been Strome plus a decent 3m dollar winger, fine. Instead it was Yamamoto and Puljujarvi auditions, and keep all the cap space for a deadline deal.

    That was Chia’s failing on this occasion.

    PS I don’t mind Strome at 2.5m for 2 more years. But money is tight.

  42. Pouzar says:

    Eklund
    Source: Oilers Consider Karlsson/Ryan Deal…(e3)

    EDIT: I’m bored ok. Leave me be!

  43. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Pouzar:
    Eklund
    Source: Oilers Consider Karlsson/Ryan Deal…(e3)

    EDIT: I’m bored ok. Leave me be!

    Gary can you raise the Cap to 90m? No? Never mind.

  44. Pouzar says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): Gary can you raise the Cap to 90m? No? Never mind.

    I’m not getting excited until I see at least an (e4).

  45. godot10 says:

    Pouzar:
    Eklund
    Source: Oilers Consider Karlsson/Ryan Deal…(e3)

    EDIT: I’m bored ok. Leave me be!

    Nugent-Hopkins, Klefbom, Puljujarvi might get it done. And maybe the Senators eat $3.5 million on Ryan.

    I wouldn’t do it. I think it is a bad deal for the Oilers, but Chiarelli and McLellan are in reputation saving mode. (They get paid if they are fired, so it is not their jobs, but their reputation that they are trying to save).

  46. OriginalPouzar says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    Woogie63,

    Why do I request it? Because saying Strome might be worth his cap hit, which is 2.5m by the way, is irrelevant to what Eberle is doing. Just like what Lucic is doing is irrelevant.

    To me they are all independent

    Strome seems to be fair value at 2.5m for what he brings. He isn’t worth 3m because his cap hit isn’t 3m. That is his salary.

    What Eberle brings is not relevant to your point.

    But if we go down that route as somehow trying to justify your Strome argument Eberle gets paid like a 1st liner, but gets only 2nd line ice time, yet he still produces like a 1st liner. Seems good to me, no?

    Lucic though gets paid like a 1st liner. produces like a 2nd liner, but he gets 2nd line ice time. So he is doing about what is expected, actually. He just gets paid too much.

    The point is he needs to be qualified at his salary for next season $3M or else he becomes a UFA.

    We are hoping he signs for less AAV/cap hit with a couple years of term but he could say not and either will require a $3M offer for next year or he can walk for nothing.

  47. Bad Seed says:

    –hudson–:
    I saved this article by Terry Jones a looong time ago after Tom Poti was traded for Mike York.Funny how his criticisms of Poti sound similar to those of Tom Gilbert, Schultz, or Petry.These type of articles I believe help cause the booing in the stands which sometimes ends up in a trade.
    —————–
    It’s a winner!

    Lowe beats up on Sather, getting York, a player with a big heart, for Poti, a player Slats once confided was ‘chicken spit’

    By TERRY JONES — Edmonton Sun

    The thing I don’t like about the deal is that Glen Sather was on the other end of it.

    Then again, is this the same Sather?

    It’s one thing that he just picked up a $10-million US salary for the biggest floater in hockey. But now he’s just traded a low-priced, high-return young talent with a big heart for Tom Poti of whom he once confided “we’ve got to trade this guy before everybody in the league finds out that he’s chicken spit.”

    Now Sather is going to turn chicken spit into chicken salad?

    CAN IT BE THE OLD REM?

    Rem Murray I understand. Sather is hoping the Rem Murray the New York Rangers are getting is the one he had when he was here, not the guy who has done next to nothing most of this season.

    Poti, I’ve been telling you for many months now, is a guy the Oilers are better off without. Murray went from being a rare heart to a spare part.

    So what’s not to like about the deal? You give up a liability and nothing for Mike York? You get a guy who has more assists and more points than anybody in your lineup?

    Now maybe this is like one of Sather’s first deals where he played Blair MacDonald with Wayne Gretzky (“A fire hydrant could score 40 goals playing with Wayne Gretzky”) then traded him to the first sucker to come along, which happened to be the Canucks.

    York comes here with 18 goals, 39 assists and 57 points playing with Eric Lindros and Theo Fleury. But he had 50 points in his rookie season. And the kid has great numbers in the faceoff circle.

    And, yes, I remember the old master Cliff Fletcher taking his Calgary Flames’ replacement Doug Risebrough to the cleaners with a big deal, too.

    But I don’t think the old mentor has outfoxed his protege. Neither, obviously, does Lowe.

    “Of all the major deals I’ve done in my brief tenure, and there have been a few of them, this is the one I feel the most comfortable with,” said Lowe. “This one I spent the most time on.

    “By all accounts, Mike York is a phenomenal person with lots of energy who never leaves anything on the ice. He’s stepping into our lineup as our top point-getter. I think Edmonton fans are going to appreciate his abilities. He has ‘Edmonton Oiler’ written all over him.”

    York, 24, is making $675,000 US. He fits the profile and the salary structure. This trade wasn’t about money, but York is making about $1.5 million less than Poti and Murray combined.

    You know where I am on the subject of the much-maligned Mr. Poti. I’m the much-maligner. I’m the guy who wrote the controversial ‘Poti’s Gotta Go’ column a couple of months ago.

    He’s scored one goal! And nobody has kept score of all those gigantic giveaways that take the air out of a team and take goalies off their game.

    I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the Oilers record with Poti out of the lineup this year was 10-5-2. I think they’re better without him.

    Maybe they’ll miss his minutes (24:32 a game). But not for long. The Oilers have young defensive talents coming up and just traded penalty-prone press-box regular Sean Brown to Boston for another one in Bobby Allen.

    To me the biggest thing with Poti is that he was never going to have ‘`Edmonton Oiler” written all over him.

    The guy has 29 hits this year. He’s a wuss. And I understand why he’s a wuss. He’s had to live his life so careful because of all his allergies and condition, that he plays the game the same. That’s why he has the league’s longest stick. So he can reach in instead of go in.

    “Mike York is a small little player but he’s one of the grittiest in the game. He plays the game like Edmonton fans want him to play,” said Lowe.

    Maybe, for the purposes of the playoffs, Kevin Lowe made this deal too late. We’ll see.

    But the Oilers are a better club today than they were yesterday for now and for the future.

    A LOT BETTER BALANCE

    “I never had a player of this type for him until as recently as today,” said Lowe.

    On balance, they have a lot better balance.

    “We’ve had more problems scoring than keeping it out of our own net,” is how Lowe put it.

    I asked Lowe what it was like to deal with Sather.

    He thought about it, laughed, tried to put words to it and finally said, “It was interesting. It was a good experience.”

    It was also a good trade.

    A very good trade.

    Some things never change – Terry Jones tweeted that Odell Willis is a me first and not a team player when he was traded a few weeks ago. Right away a bunch of Eskimos re-tweeted that Jones was way off base. I guess Jones never learned from the Jeff Braswell treatment he got.

  48. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    OriginalPouzar: The point is he needs to be qualified at his salary for next season $3M or else he becomes a UFA.

    We are hoping he signs for less AAV/cap hit with a couple years of term but he could say not and either will require a $3M offer for next year or he can walk for nothing.

    OP, really? We’ve had this discussion a bunch of times—I know what his QO is and what the 3 options are: qualify, sign him for less on a multi-year deal, let him go UFA (actually 4 options cause then you can let him sign elsewhere or see if he can get a better deal elsewhere then sign him for less).

    My point to Woogie was that Eberle’s production has ZERO to do with Strome’s production. No need to include it except to push an additional narrative that the trade was good value–maybe he did not meant to do it, but on a day where LT wrote what he wrote, what was the point in including Eberle’s production there? It’s a losing argument. It’s a sunk cost. I’m with you there. More important to figure out what to do with Strome.

  49. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Getting Karlsson (and Ryan) could only happen if both players didn’t have Edmonton in their 10 team No Trade Clause… so regardless if the oilers could do the deal or not, I’m 99% sure that at least one of them will have The Oilers in their list…

  50. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Crazy Pedestrian,

    My money is still on Tampa

    Hedman-Karlsson is to
    Pronger-Niedermayer

    Sergachev, two 1sts, Callahan for salary, and a prospect gets it done.

    Cup-winning formula for this year with a likely repeat next. Karlsson signs for $8.5m after that due to lower taxes in Florida.

    Makes total sense for Tampa to go for that.

  51. rickithebear says:

    LW:
    Planarian 60gm 11 evg .183 evg/gm
    Taravainen 60gm 11 evg .183
    Hoffman 58gm 11 evg .190
    Pacioretty 59gm 10evg .169
    D Sedin 59gm 10evg .169
    Sheary 58gm 10 evg .172
    Kilorn 60gm 9 .150
    Pearson 60gm 9 evg .150
    Kunitz 60gm 9 evg .150
    Khaira 46gm 9 evg .196
    Sobotka 60gm 8evg .133

  52. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    rickithebear:
    Planarian 60gm 11 evg .183 evg/gm
    Taravainen 60gm 11 evg .183
    Hoffman 58gm 11 evg .190
    Pacioretty 59gm 10evg .169
    D Sedin 59gm 10evg .169
    Sheary 58gm 10 evg .172
    Kilorn 60gm 9 .150
    Pearson 60gm 9 evg .150
    Kunitz 60gm 9 evg .150
    Khaira 46gm 9 evg .196
    Sobotka 60gm 8evg .133

    JJ is having a very good year. That said, do you really think he will shoot 17% again next year? Cause I will make you a bet he won’t.

  53. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    Crazy Pedestrian,

    My money is still on Tampa

    Hedman-Karlsson is to
    Pronger-Niedermayer

    Sergachev, two 1sts, Callahan for salary, and a prospect gets it done.

    Cup-winning formula for this year with a likely repeat next. Karlsson signs for $8.5m after that due to lower taxes in Florida.

    Makes total sense for Tampa to go for that.

    Probably the safest bet. That whole state tax thing always pissed me off. a salary cap league is suppose to give all teams a fairly equal chance at getting high profile players assuming they have the cap space. Having that state tax thing is like cheating the system…

  54. JimmyV1965 says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    JimmyV1965,

    Nash is by far the better player vs Maroon. How many points would Nash have on McDavid’s wing?

    Better skater, much better defensively.

    I am not mixing anything up.

    But your list did include UFAs and players under contract. And there are two different markets for two different types of players.

    I said Nash was better, but his cap hit going forward is about $2 mill. Maroon’s is $375 k. It’s a huge factor and could possibly result in Maroon bringing a higher value at the deadline.

  55. JimmyV1965 says:

    godot10: Nugent-Hopkins, Klefbom, Puljujarvi might get it done.And maybe the Senators eat $3.5 million on Ryan.

    I wouldn’t do it.I think it is a bad deal for the Oilers, but Chiarelli and McLellan are in reputation saving mode.(They get paid if they are fired, so it is not their jobs, but their reputation that they are trying to save).

    So you’re saying we can still make the playoffs. I’m on board. LOL.

  56. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    JimmyV1965: But your list did include UFAs and players under contract. And there are two different markets for two different types of players.

    I said Nash was better, but his cap hit going forward is about $2 mill. Maroon’s is $375 k. It’s a huge factor and could possibly result in Maroon bringing a higher value at the deadline.

    Smells like a bet. How do we define “better return” though? 😉

    My list was not meant to be an exhaustive list. All I was saying was that this year,, like 2014, features many selling teams. That year a lot of the deadline deals were underwhelming for the selling teams, if you may recall.

  57. JimmyV1965 says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    Crazy Pedestrian,

    My money is still on Tampa

    Hedman-Karlsson is to
    Pronger-Niedermayer

    Sergachev, two 1sts, Callahan for salary, and a prospect gets it done.

    Cup-winning formula for this year with a likely repeat next. Karlsson signs for $8.5m after that due to lower taxes in Florida.

    Makes total sense for Tampa to go for that.

    If they can fit him under the cap next year, I think I would do it. They would have him for two playoffs. Frickin wow!!! This could get real interesting. It’s actually worth the crazy price.

  58. rickithebear says:

    RW:
    Laine 60gm 12 evg .200evg/gm
    Martha 57gm 11evg .193
    Rantanen 58gm 11evg .190
    Wheeler 60gm 11evg .183
    Dadanov 49gm 10evg .204
    Bailey 57gm 10 evg .175
    Silverberg 56gm 10evg .179
    Votacek 60gm 9evg .150
    Simmons 59gm 9evg .153
    Zucarello 59gm 9evg .153
    Granlund 54gm 8 evg .148
    Buchnevich 52gm 8evg .154
    Perry 50gm 8evg .160
    Puljujarvi 42gm 8evg .191

  59. Rondo says:

    I would suggest Karlsson who turns 28 in May has already peaked. If I was Ottawa I would ask for Draisaitl.

  60. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    JimmyV1965: If they can fit him under the cap next year, I think I would do it. They would have him for two playoffs. Frickin wow!!! This could get real interesting. It’s actually worth the crazy price.

    Yeah, Callahan would have to be a team guy and fall on the sword and waive his NMC to make it work. If he does, they can definitely make it fit under the cap. That’s a big IF, though. Or else some other salary would have to be going back. Coburn?

  61. JimmyV1965 says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    Crazy Pedestrian,

    My money is still on Tampa

    Hedman-Karlsson is to
    Pronger-Niedermayer

    Sergachev, two 1sts, Callahan for salary, and a prospect gets it done.

    Cup-winning formula for this year with a likely repeat next. Karlsson signs for $8.5m after that due to lower taxes in Florida.

    Makes total sense for Tampa to go for that.

    I wonder if they should consider some kind of tax provisio under the next CBA. Canadian teams and some American teams are at a clear disadvantage attracting UFAs.

  62. JimmyV1965 says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): Yeah, Callahan would have to be a team guy and fall on the sword and waive his NMC to make it work. If he does, they can definitely make it fit under the cap. That’s a big IF, though. Or else some other salary would have to be going back. Coburn?

    It would be so frickin exciting. Everyone would be gunning for the Bolts. The pressure to win would be intense. It might be the best team since the Red Wings.

  63. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    JimmyV1965: I wonder if they should consider some kind of tax provisio under the next CBA. Canadian teams and some American teams are at a clear disadvantage attracting UFAs.

    If Karlsson gets $8.5M, the difference in real dollars between getting it in Ottawa vs Tampa is a whopping $1.2M per year. It’s fucking nuts. His take home is $3.95m in Ottawa…brutal

    He needs $11m+ from Ottawa for it to be even.

  64. Gayfish says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): If Karlsson gets $8.5M, the difference in real dollars between getting it in Ottawa vs Tampa is a whopping $1.2M per year. It’s fucking nuts. His take home is $3.95m in Ottawa…brutal

    He needs $11m+ from Ottawa for it to be even.

    Yeah. It’s a problem for sure. It’s ridiculous the league doesn’t even this part out.

    This is also a big reason to thank Connor.

  65. who says:

    Surrey Oiler: No way that gets done, it would have to be 2018 1st and a top prospect like Bear added to your deal

    I don’t think I would make the first trade for Karlsson unless I had an agreement in place for a contract extension. You are giving up 5 years of a good young dman plus a first for 1 year of Karlsson.
    Plus he’s coming off a serious injury and nobody is really sure he’s fully recovered. It would definitely be a gamble. And I don’t like the odds.

  66. JimmyV1965 says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): Smells like a bet. How do we define “better return” though?

    My list was not meant to be an exhaustive list. All I was saying was that this year,, like 2014, features many selling teams. That year a lot of the deadline deals were underwhelming for the selling teams, if you may recall.

    I might even take that bet, even though Nash is clearly better. But you know…Chia…and trades and everything. LOL

  67. Surrey Oiler says:

    Everyone here is yapping about Karlsson…pipe the frank down, he won’t waive his NTC to come here. Move along folks, talk about Faulk or something!

  68. rickithebear says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): JJ is having a very good year. That said, do you really think he will shoot 17% again next year? Cause I will make you a bet he won’t.

    The concept of unsustainable shooting % is based on:
    – all corsix,y are equal
    – open and closed shots are equal.

    The key is to be a good skater who can drive to the HD area.
    Being Physically able to stay in HD area.

    Khaira is a young man who has gone thru
    Core growth 21-23yr
    Now must go thru adult mass development
    24-27yr

    17% not likely.
    But his pattern of attack is HD driven this year.

  69. Bling says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker),

    Wouldn’t most NHLers these days incorporate?

    There’s really no reason to pay income tax on millions of dollars per year. Once the house is paid for, these guys could live pretty well with a hundred or two hundred thousand, especially with most of their food and other expenses already being paid for by the team.

    I wonder whether the gap is really as big as these calculators suggest.

  70. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    rickithebear,

    He has taken significant strides in his game. I am with you there. I like what he brings at his cap hit and am very glad Vegas opted to take Reinhart over him. We need cheap bottom 6 guys who can be effective.

    I just caution against being too optimistic about his offense based on a breakout year. You’re right, he needs to keep getting into HD areas, especially as too many of our forwards opt to shoot from LD areas.
    If he does that and ups his chances by 10~20%, even if his shooting percentage drops to 10~12% he should be able to keep up his production.

  71. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Bling,

    Even if you incorporate, you can deduct expenses and other things, but I am pretty sure you can’t just put your salary, paid for by a team as part of your corporation’s revenue. Any other income, such as endorsement income, etc., you could probably do that–but not your NHL salary.

  72. Bank Shot says:

    Bling:
    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker),

    Wouldn’t most NHLers these days incorporate?

    There’s really no reason to pay income tax on millions of dollars per year. Once the house is paid for, these guys could live pretty well with a hundred or two hundred thousand, especially with most of their food and other expenses already being paid for by the team.

    I wonder whether the gap is really as big as these calculators suggest.

    Can players incorporate?

    Wouldn’t tax agencies see them as employees and demand 50% of their income?

    Yeah they sign contracts, but everything about their job screams employee.

  73. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – So Gudbranson signed for $4MM x 3 For sure bottom-D.

    – I hope everyone would at least agree that Russell is better than Gud straight up

    – And Strome we have identified as reasonable salary based on some good posts today

    – I know posting anything that suggests Chia isn’t an idiot is heresay, but those two contracts are not egregious. The extra year on Russell yes, but he is priced to sell after next year and has current in-line comp has no bearing on this roster composition today.

  74. Gayfish says:

    Bank Shot: Can players incorporate?

    Wouldn’t tax agencies see them as employees and demand 50% of their income?

    Yeah they sign contracts, but everything about their job screams employee.

    The top 1% of the top 1% aren’t paying their fair share.
    *Bernie Sanders voice.

  75. Gayfish says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – So Gubranson signed for for $4MM x 3For sure bottom-D.

    – I hope everyone would at least agree thatRussell is better than Gub straight up

    – And Strome we have identified as reasonable salary based on some good posts today

    – I know posting anything that suggests Chia isn’t an idiot is heresay, but those two contracts are not egregious.The extra year on Russell yes, but he is priced to sell after next year and has current in-line comp has no bearing on this roster composition today.

    That guy isn’t even as good as Gudbranson. What where the Canuckleheads thinking?

  76. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – So Gubranson signed for for $4MM x 3For sure bottom-D.

    – I hope everyone would at least agree thatRussell is better than Gub straight up

    – And Strome we have identified as reasonable salary based on some good posts today

    – I know posting anything that suggests Chia isn’t an idiot is heresay, but those two contracts are not egregious.The extra year on Russell yes, but he is priced to sell after next year and has current in-line comp has no bearing on this roster composition today.

    I will try to respond fairly.

    – So Gubranson signed for for $4MM x 3For sure bottom-D.

    A: Yeah, Benning made a mistake there, IMO.

    – I hope everyone would at least agree thatRussell is better than Gub straight up

    A: As 3 LD agreed. But not as 2RD, like he is being used.

    – And Strome we have identified as reasonable salary based on some good posts today

    A: If Chia can sign him for 2 years at current cap hit, good. Qualifying him, would appear to be an overpay.

    – I know posting anything that suggests Chia isn’t an idiot is heresay, but those two contracts are not egregious.The extra year on Russell yes, but he is priced to sell after next year and has current in-line comp has no bearing on this roster composition today.

    A: Chia didn’t sign Strome. Let’s wait to see what he does first with that deal/player. It’s only fair. The main beef I have is not acquiring Strome or trading Eberle, it’s acquiring Strome plus cap space but not using the cap space effectively, and not getting a better replacement for Eberle than the Yama/Pulju experiment in a year where I think had they used a veteran RW (even a 15g-20g guy who is not a minus defensively) and deployed Pulju in a sheltered middle line role things would have gone better.

    It’s not just the extra year on Russell–it’s the NMC and the buyout-proof contract (that Year 3 cap hit jump is bad) as well as paying him for a top 4 role that he is not able to cover. To me, Benning overpaying Gudbranson for what he brings is not justification for overpaying Russell. Two wrongs do not make a right. I don’t mind Russell as much as most. He has his warts, yes, but he is a warrior. If he were paid $2.5M and playing 3LD I’d have no beef with it. You can find players like him for around that much in the NHL.

    I just want to say I have never been in the Chia is an idiot camp. I have been in the let’s wait and see before we judge him fully camp–we can judge each move as he makes it, then reassess later. To me his moves always looked like mediocre GM. He has had some doozies, though., where he bled value. I haven’t wavered from that good year or bad. He’s made some bad moves this year, just like he made some good moves before. I still see Talbot as bouncing back and a good move, for example, whereas you have been hard on Talbot this year (yes he has struggled–but I also blame the team not having a capable backup TMc trusts and plays for this).

    Where my concern lies with Chia is that the team is going to have to make some tough choices with the Cap because of some big contracts with NMCs handed out to complementary players. That was his undoing in Boston and it is happening here. His drafting appears to be good.

    We wait, but I think he is running out of rope now with a major setback in Year 3. This year the team is worse than expected; last year better than expected. I still see this team as somewhere in between next year–bubble playoffs–unless the Leftorium gets resolved and a couple of wingers are found for Drai and McDavid.

  77. Wilde says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – So Gubranson signed for for $4MM x 3For sure bottom-D.

    – I hope everyone would at least agree thatRussell is better than Gub straight up

    – And Strome we have identified as reasonable salary based on some good posts today

    – I know posting anything that suggests Chia isn’t an idiot is heresay, but those two contracts are not egregious.The extra year on Russell yes, but he is priced to sell after next year and has current in-line comp has no bearing on this roster composition today.

    Yeah, I don’t think the bar for success should be Jim Benning, though.

    Russell’s play for 4M for this year is fine, in a vacuum… but on a team stacked with LHD, in a transitional cap crunch period where you need to keep your options open you can’t make that deal.

    You’re not just paying for the player, you’re paying for the burnt opportunity of using that money elsewhere and you’re paying for the inability to easily move the contract. Nothing about a NTC player is priced to sell, the league just doesn’t work like that.

    I don’t think you can say, having one proven RHD on a D corps that we’re paying above league average for, that a guy with term and NTC doesn’t have any bearing on roster comp.

    Strome, though? I’m on board with him. He’s the opposite of my type of player but the numbers don’t lie: him and Khaira on the third line could win minutes cheaply for 2+ years moving forward.

  78. frjohnk says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – So Gudbranson signed for $4MM x 3For sure bottom-D.

    – I hope everyone would at least agree thatRussell is better than Gud straight up

    – And Strome we have identified as reasonable salary based on some good posts today

    – I know posting anything that suggests Chia isn’t an idiot is heresay, but those two contracts are not egregious.The extra year on Russell yes, but he is priced to sell after next year and has current in-line comp has no bearing on this roster composition today.

    Both Russell and Gudbranson are 3rd pairing Dman.

    I like Russell more as he can slide into the top 4 with a strong partner. Gudbranson not so much.

    The NMC for 4 years was poor negotiating by Chia.

  79. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jim M. is still pushing the “Oilers want OEL bad” verbal.

  80. JimmyV1965 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – So Gudbranson signed for $4MM x 3For sure bottom-D.

    – I hope everyone would at least agree thatRussell is better than Gud straight up

    – And Strome we have identified as reasonable salary based on some good posts today

    – I know posting anything that suggests Chia isn’t an idiot is heresay, but those two contracts are not egregious.The extra year on Russell yes, but he is priced to sell after next year and has current in-line comp has no bearing on this roster composition today.

    I was walking my dog the other day, spotted Chia, said hi and he just kicked my dog for no reason. Just kidding. He tried, but missed

  81. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    frjohnk: Both Russell and Gudbranson are 3rd pairing Dman.

    I like Russell more as he can slide into the top 4 with a strong partner. Gudbranson not so much.

    The NMC for 4 years was poor negotiating by Chia.

    Just think when the Oilers have to protect Russell in the expansion draft. Ugh.

  82. Harpers Hair says:

    frjohnk: Both Russell and Gudbranson are 3rd pairing Dman.

    I like Russell more as he can slide into the top 4 with a strong partner. Gudbranson not so much.

    The NMC for 4 years was poor negotiating by Chia.

    Gudbranson has been playing top 4 recently and doing very well.

  83. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – Hadn’t realized Taylor Chorney was still playing in NHL: 24 games this year. Picked off waivers. Always cheered for him. Trotz had nice things to say. Not bad carving out a career as a 7thish D

  84. Pescador says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    Woogie63,

    Why do I request it? Because saying Strome might be worth his cap hit, which is 2.5m by the way, is irrelevant to what Eberle is doing. Just like what Lucic is doing is irrelevant.

    To me they are all independent

    Strome seems to be fair value at 2.5m for what he brings. He isn’t worth 3m because his cap hit isn’t 3m. That is his salary.

    What Eberle brings is not relevant to your point.

    But if we go down that route as somehow trying to justify your Strome argument Eberle gets paid like a 1st liner, but gets only 2nd line ice time, yet he still produces like a 1st liner. Seems good to me, no?

    Lucic though gets paid like a 1st liner. produces like a 2nd liner, but he gets 2nd line ice time. So he is doing about what is expected, actually. He just gets paid too much.

    Do you have access to the Primary P/60, or more importantly put any stock into it?
    Just wondering about Lucic production, 3 second liners per team x 31.
    Is in the top 93-100 players for points?
    Top 62 for LW?
    I’m asking because I’m guessing you already checked,
    TYIA

  85. Lowetide says:

    Harpers Hair: Gudbranson has been playing top 4 recently and doing very well.

    His possession numbers are terrible, beyond terrible. In Corsi rel 5×5, he ranks No. 158 among 160 defensemen who have played over 600 minutes this season.

    https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playerteams.php?season=20172018&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&stdoi=oi&rate=r&team=ALL&pos=D&loc=B&toi=600&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=82&lines=single

  86. frjohnk says:

    Lowetide: His possession numbers are terrible, beyond terrible. In Corsi rel 5×5, he ranks No. 158 among 160 defensemen who have played over 600 minutes this season.

    https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playerteams.php?season=20172018&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&stdoi=oi&rate=r&team=ALL&pos=D&loc=B&toi=600&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=82&lines=single

    Well, he isn’t the worst.

    He has that going for him.

  87. Pescador says:

    frjohnk: Both Russell and Gudbranson are 3rd pairing Dman.

    I like Russell more as he can slide into the top 4 with a strong partner. Gudbranson not so much.

    The NMC for 4 years was poor negotiating by Chia.

    Is it just me or does it feel like there is any negotiation at all?
    Deals for Lucic, Russell, Sekera, Draisaitl, Rienhart.
    It seems to me that the conversation consists of ‘What will it take?”
    And then gives them that

  88. texmex says:

    The flames have given up a goal on the first shot in 2 of the last 3 games.

    Odd. Must be an Alberta thing?

  89. frjohnk says:

    Pescador: Is it just me or does it feel like there is any negotiation at all?
    Deals for Lucic, Russell, Sekera, Draisaitl, Rienhart.
    It seems to me that the conversation consists of ‘What will it take?”
    And then gives them that

    Chia is the Oprah of hockey GM”s when it comes to Negotiating that goes back to his time in Boston.

    “An extra couple million for you, and you, and you”

  90. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker),

    – Chia was criticized for both trading Ebs, and trading him for a bum

    – Numbers suggest Ebs is fair value this year, as is Strome, and it was a salary dump.

    – Getting Strome was all about finding a 3C: mission accomplished: fair?

    – Russel, sure the 4rth year was too much, but right now, Russel is fair-value, and let’s see what happens: he’s priced to sell, and structured so Chia can unload him if need be without penalty next year (assuming Chia is around).

    – We can’t even have everyone agree that Russel > Gud, so it’s hard to have a conversation

    – I’m simply outlining Strome and Russell as defendible, non-idiot division GM moves, backed with performance and precedence, and tying in some points made today

    – And also stirring the pot: but just a little.

    – If we can agree that Strome is in the range of a $3MM 3C, then Chia’s move makes sense

  91. Pescador says:

    Wilde: Yeah, I don’t think the bar for success should be Jim Benning, though.

    Russell’s play for 4M for this year is fine, in a vacuum… but on a team stacked with LHD, in a transitional cap crunch period where you need to keep your options open you can’t make that deal.

    You’re not just paying for the player, you’re paying for the burnt opportunity of using that money elsewhere and you’re paying for the inability to easily move the contract. Nothing about a NTC player is priced to sell, the league just doesn’t work like that.

    I don’t think you can say, having one proven RHD on a D corps that we’re paying above league average for, that a guy with term and NTC doesn’t have any bearing on roster comp.

    Strome, though? I’m on board with him. He’s the opposite of my type of player but the numbers don’t lie: him and Khaira on the third line could win minutes cheaply for 2+ years moving forward.

    Throw Slepyshev in & it becomes a very inexpensive line,
    That’s assuming somehow Lucic can redefine his game & you don’t need that spot for him.

  92. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    I would hope we can agree Ruseell > Gudbranson! I certainly do! I just think he’s miscast.

    But that’s a low bar–and that contract Benning signed Gudbranson to, like the one Chia signed Ruseell to, is almost universally panned as a bad contract. Does not mean Ruseell is a bad player.

    Just like I don’t think Lucic is a bad player. He’s just grossly overpaid–and he is in a major slump going on 22 games now–has not scored a goal since Christmas. Brutal for a $6m guy. Just hoping this is just a big slump because 5 more years of this would be utterly atrocious.

    Strome is fairly compensated for a $2.5M player is what we established. The cap hit is $2.5m, salary $3M. Not sure what he is, yet. If he can solidify 3C role, Nuge can run 2C and Drai can be 1RW. Solves at least one problem. Then Puljujarvi can be Nuge’s RW. Solves at least one problem.

    So I’m with you and OP and others there. Hopeful Strome can lock down 3C–hopeful he signs for 2 more year at current cap hit. Not certain qualifying him will work out, depending on what other salaries go out and slots need to be filled.

    I think your points are not far off base at all–maybe just a little, as per my rebuttals above.

    I still would have preferred the extra $3.5m in cap space from Eberle out and Strome and cap space in–to have been used for at least a 15 goal replacement for Eberle from the veteran pile. A guy like Vanek would have been okay. A stop-gap guy. It was too risky to bank on yamamoto and puljujarvi.

  93. Wilde says:

    frjohnk: Well, he isn’t the worst.

    He has that going for him.

    He might be, considering 159 and 160 play on better possession teams and thusly have a harder team average to hit.

    SJ 5v5 CF%: 51.44

    Brauns: 43.40

    CAR 5v5 CF%: 54.09

    Fleury: 46.83

    VAN 5v5 CF%: 47.57%

    Gudbranson: 40.79.

    Yeah.

  94. JD_Wry says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): He needs $11m+ from Ottawa for it to be even.

    He’d have to do something crazy like donate $10M to a charitable cause…

  95. Pescador says:

    frjohnk: Chia is the Oprah of hockey GM”s when it comes to Negotiating that goes back to his time in Boston.

    “An extra couple million for you, and you, and you”

    No move, No trade No anything !!

  96. Harpers Hair says:

    Lowetide: His possession numbers are terrible, beyond terrible. In Corsi rel 5×5, he ranks No. 158 among 160 defensemen who have played over 600 minutes this season.

    https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playerteams.php?season=20172018&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&stdoi=oi&rate=r&team=ALL&pos=D&loc=B&toi=600&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=82&lines=single

    Corsi rel between teams is irrelevant

  97. rickithebear says:

    Tambo:
    RNH
    Klefbom
    Davidson
    Khaira

    MacT:
    McDavid
    Draisaitl
    Nurse
    Benning
    Caggulia
    Slepyshev
    Pakarinen
    Talbot
    Broissoit

    PC:
    Maroon
    Lucic
    Strome -> Eberle
    Letestu
    Cammalleri
    Kassian
    Puljujarvi
    Larsson-> Hall
    Sekera
    Russell
    Auvitu
    Montoya

  98. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Pescador,

    Hi I don’t have the primary per 60 stuff. Maybe someone else can help.
    Sorry.

    If Lucic were getting 2nd line money in the range of $4m, he’s still producing 2nd line numbers overall. His problem is he is paid 13th highest among LW, meaning above median top line winger money. And for 5 more years to boot.

    Hard when he hasn’t scored since before Christmas. Really really hoping this is just a major slump. But his play hasn’t looked like a 2nd liner of late.

    Agree with other posters who have suggested they put him down on the 3rd line a while to just find his game again.

  99. JD_Wry says:

    Harpers Hair: irrelevant

    So is your hair, because it looks more like a bad bike helmet.

  100. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    JD_Wry: He’d have to do something crazy like donate $10M to a charitable cause…

    He’s got long hair and a wispy moustache. That’s sideburns enough.

  101. OriginalPouzar says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): Just think when the Oilers have to protect Russell in the expansion draft. Ugh.

    They’ll buy him out before that happens.

  102. frjohnk says:

    Harpers Hair: Corsi rel between teams is irrelevant

    Just curious. From your point of view.

    Who is better?
    Larsson or Gudbranson?

  103. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    rickithebear:
    Tambo:
    RNH
    Klefbom
    Davidson
    Khaira

    MacT:
    McDavid
    Draisaitl
    Nurse
    BENNING– CHIA
    CAGGIULA– CHIA
    Slepyshev
    Pakarinen
    Talbot–We are still debating this one?
    Broissoit

    PC:
    Maroon
    Lucic
    Strome -> Eberle
    Letestu
    Cammalleri
    Kassian
    Puljujarvi
    Larsson-> Hall
    Sekera
    Russell
    Auvitu
    Montoya

  104. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    OriginalPouzar: They’ll buy him out before that happens.

    That’s not an argument in favour of that contract, in my opinion. If you are talking about how you can buy it out so it’s okay, well…

  105. Pescador says:

    texmex:
    The flames have given up a goal on the first shot in 2 of the last 3 games.

    Odd. Must be an Alberta thing?

    Ana Cgy LaK,
    1 playoff spot up for grabs.
    I have the flames on the outside looking in when the dust settles. Not just because it pleases me either

  106. rickithebear says:

    Corsi against
    Starts with some offensive attack failure that does not allow
    – our forwards to trap the NZ
    – not allowing our d to press the blue
    – who must collapse and protect the area that shots go in 500% more.

    The only dmen you can really blame are dmen who become the 4th forward
    Skate the puck up press down on the OZ abandoning the free path to the HD area.
    Often leaving their d partner to defend both sides of HD area.

  107. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Pescador: Ana CgyLaK,
    1 playoff spot up for grabs.
    I have the flames on the outside looking in when the dust settles. Not just because it pleases me either

    Wild Bill Karlsson with his 31st. Go Knights Go. Speaking of unsustainable, Karlsson is evidently going to score one every four shots for the entire year.

  108. Bank Shot says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):

    It’s not just the extra year on Russell–it’s the NMC and the buyout-proof contract (that Year 3 cap hit jump is bad) as well as paying him for a top 4 role that he is not able to cover. To me, Benning overpaying Gudbranson for what he brings is not justification for overpaying Russell. Two wrongs do not make a right. I don’t mind Russell as much as most. He has his warts, yes, but he is a warrior. If he were paid $2.5M and playing 3LD I’d have no beef with it. You can find players like him for around that much in the NHL.

    Russel isn’t really being paid like a top four D man though. Top four D are getting 5+ in free agency now.

    He’s getting paid like a borderline 4/5 which he is.

    Yeah I guess he’s using up the budget that a number 2RD would be getitng, but that defenseman surely wasn’t available in free agency.

    There wasn’t much available period in free agency for D men. Franson has also been popular for the fancies but he hasn’t been able to stick on a shallow Chicago squad this year.

    Perhaps Edmonton could have tried to flip Eberle to Vegas for one of their D, but we don’t know if there was any interest there. Vegas seems like they did well on their wingers.

  109. rickithebear says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):

    You do not remember PC saying that those 2 col ufa acquisitions
    We’re MacT and Bucky.
    A trend MacT established before him.

  110. OriginalPouzar says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): That’s not an argument in favour of that contract, in my opinion. If you are talking about how you can buy it out so it’s okay, well…

    I’ve never made an argument in favor of the contract – not even a little bit, not even a tiny little bit.

    Was just responding to the post that we’d have to protect him in the expansion draft and I’m highly confident that won’t happen.

  111. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    rickithebear: You do not remember PC saying that those 2 col ufa acquisitions
    We’re MacT and Bucky.
    A trend MacT established before him.

    Does the GM not make the decision to sign them in the first place, though?

    I feel like we are defining the decision-makers differently.

    Because I hope stumbling into McDavid doesn’t count as a positive move by MacT?

    As for trend established by MacT, Chia was signing college free agents in Boston as well. Torey Krug, for example. So why is it MacT’s trend and not Chia’s?

    Funny that I am defending Chia here.

  112. Pescador says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    Pescador,

    Hi I don’t have the primary per 60 stuff. Maybe someone else can help.Sorry.

    If Lucic were getting 2nd line money in the range of $4m, he’s still producing 2nd line numbers overall. His problem is he is paid 13th highest among LW, meaning above median top line winger money. And for 5 more years to boot.

    Hard when he hasn’t scored since before Christmas. Really really hoping this is just a major slump. But his play hasn’t looked like a 2nd liner of late.

    Agree with other posters who have suggested they put him down on the 3rd line a while to just find his game again.

    No worries, appreciate the reply.
    And I did read everything you posted about slumpage and salary. Duration is the green wiener of course.
    I guess a person could argue that the 6m salary is not the worst thing in the world for a second line free agent winger with his intangibles. Not suggesting that you are,
    But I was also curious about where Lucic actually stacks points wise.
    Top 100 forwards in the NHL?
    Top 60-70 LW?
    I can look up how many widgets he has I just don’t know how to find all the comparables,
    Anybody know? Thanks

  113. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    I would hope we can agree Ruseell > Gudbranson! I certainly do! I just think he’s miscast.

    But that’s a low bar–and that contract Benning signed Gudbranson to, like the one Chia signed Ruseell to, is almost universally panned as a bad contract. Does not mean Ruseell is a bad player.

    Just like I don’t think Lucic is a bad player. He’s just grossly overpaid–and he is in a major slump going on 22 games now–has not scored a goal since Christmas. Brutal for a $6m guy. Just hoping this is just a big slump because 5 more years of this would be utterly atrocious.

    Strome is fairly compensated for a $2.5M player is what we established. The cap hit is $2.5m, salary $3M. Not sure what he is, yet. If he can solidify 3C role, Nuge can run 2C and Drai can be 1RW. Solves at least one problem. Then Puljujarvi can be Nuge’s RW. Solves at least one problem.

    So I’m with you and OP and others there. Hopeful Strome can lock down 3C–hopeful he signs for 2 more year at current cap hit. Not certain qualifying him will work out, depending on what other salaries go out and slots need to be filled.

    I think your points are not far off base at all–maybe just a little, as per my rebuttals above.

    I still would have preferred the extra $3.5m in cap space from Eberle out and Strome and cap space in–to have been used for at least a 15 goal replacement for Eberle from the veteran pile. A guy like Vanek would have been okay. A stop-gap guy. It was too risky to bank on yamamoto and puljujarvi.

    – I felt from day 1 of the trade that they were planning a few things:

    1) Strome could be cheaper not quite as good version of RNH, at 3C, behind McD and Drai
    2) Zoom RNH this year so they could trade him for what they needed from strength, to get over the top (hi Faulk @ $4.8MM)

    – Strome has come along, and RNH was more than fine untill injured

    – Then you start getting rid of the Sek’s and Russels, as the younger D emerge and step up, and the clauses disappear for those vets: and you’ve got an awesome D and pipeline

    – Faulk would be so awesome IMO

  114. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Pescador,

    I’d be okay with it if his other contributions were positive.

    Right now last I checked he was a team worst -30 in takeaway/giveaway ratio, taken mostly minor penalties–not exactly the enforcer type.

    So if the intangibles are leadership and we are in 27th place, how much do we value those intangibles?

  115. StixMalone says:

    3 powerplay for US in 1st period. US up 1-0

  116. deardylan says:

    JASPER AVE FREEZE OUT (when Lowetide drops a Springsteen Title I can’t just sit here)

    If you don’t know this song… or too young to know or sick of Oilers/Refs/Scoring Droughts.

    Whatever you are doing…

    …Stop drop and rock & roll baby!!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUjivw_-W0Y

    Tear drops on Oil city
    Bad Lucic searching for his groove
    Seem like the whole division walking pretty
    And we can’t find the room to move

    Well everybody better move over, that’s all
    I’m running on the bad side
    And I got my draft to the wall
    Jasper Avenue freeze-out, Jasper Avenue freeze-out

    When the change was made uptown
    And McDavid joined the band

    From the coastline to the city
    All the little pretties raise their hands
    I’m gonna sit back right easy and laugh
    When Dr.Drai and the McDavid bust this city in half

    With a Jasper Avenue freeze-out, Jasper Avenue freeze-out
    Jasper Avenue freeze-out…

    PJs stranded in the no goal jungle
    Taking all the heat he was giving
    The night is dark but the sidewalk’s bright
    And lined with the light of the living

    From a Saigon window 630 ched blasts
    Turn around the corner things got real quiet real fast

    I walk into a Jasper Avenue freeze-out
    Jasper Avenue freeze-out
    And I’m all alone, I’m all alone

    And kid you better get the picture
    And I’m on my own, I’m on my own

    And I can’t go home to Edmonton

  117. danny says:

    The ref has turned a blind eye to a couple obvious indescretions by the US, and called a couple questionable against Canada. Small sample size but let’s hope there’s no officiating agenda in play tonight like we have seen in US international play more than once.

  118. northerndancer says:

    deardylan:
    JASPER AVE FREEZE OUT(when Lowetide drops a Springsteen Title I can’t just sit here)

    If you don’t know this song… or too young to know or sick of Oilers/Refs/Scoring Droughts.

    Whatever you are doing…

    …Stop drop and rock & roll baby!!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUjivw_-W0Y

    Tear drops on Oil cityBad Lucic searching for his grooveSeem like the whole division walking prettyAnd we can’t find the room to move

    Well everybody better move over, that’s allI’m running on the bad sideAnd I got my draft to the wallJasper Avenue freeze-out, Jasper Avenue freeze-out

    When the change was made uptown
    And McDavid joined the band

    From the coastline to the cityAll the little pretties raise their handsI’m gonna sit back right easy and laughWhen Dr.Drai and the McDavid bust this city in half

    With a Jasper Avenue freeze-out, Jasper Avenue freeze-outJasper Avenue freeze-out…

    PJs stranded in the no goal jungle
    Taking all the heat he was giving
    The night is dark but the sidewalk’s bright
    And lined with the light of the living

    From a Saigon window 630 ched blastsTurn around the corner things got real quiet real fast

    I walk into a Jasper Avenue freeze-outJasper Avenue freeze-outAnd I’m all alone, I’m all alone

    And kid you better get the pictureAnd I’m on my own, I’m on my own

    And I can’t go home to Edmonton

    You nailed it! cheers from BC where the wine flows much better than ……
    Just wait until next year when they bust the city in half…

  119. danny says:

    danny:
    The ref has turned a blind eye to a couple obvious indescretions by the US, and called a couple questionable against Canada. Small sample size but let’s hopethere’s no officiating agenda in play tonight like we have seen in US international play more than once.

    And there we go. The fix is in?

  120. Lowetide says:

    Dear Dylan: That’s fabulous.

  121. danny says:

    Fkn rights. Go Canada go.

  122. Rebilled says:

    Beauty!

  123. Rebilled says:

    4 penalties to 0. Are these the Salt Lake refs?

  124. Surrey Oiler says:

    Szabados > Talbot

  125. rickithebear says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): Does the GM not make the decision to sign them in the first place, though?

    I feel like we are defining the decision-makers differently.

    Because I hope stumbling into McDavid doesn’t count as a positive move by MacT?

    As for trend established by MacT, Chia was signing college free agents in Boston as well. Torey Krug, for example. So why is it MacT’s trend and not Chia’s?

    Funny that I am defending Chia here.

    You are not a get it done corporate guy are you.

    A collection of managers who stole credit for other people’s real work.
    No clue how their company actually run.
    But they have their audits full of check marks.
    A duplex ad requires 1 wire run and 6 terminations.
    A fuel burner mgmt system requires 15000 terminations
    They both get 1 x in an audit.

    Mechanism:
    MacT arranges trade for Talbot, but Lundquist injury delays it.
    2nd rounder from poetry trade was part of the agreement.
    Sather said they agreed to a draft deal.
    No petry trade 2nd, no Talbot.

    MacT wins lottery -> McDavid

    MacT already giving Col ufa,s a real chance at time in nhl convinces
    Caggulia and Benning to sign.

    Their are critical actions that drive an event.

    What was PC?

  126. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    I’d have to say that as one who does not believe in ref conspiracy theories in the NHL I think there is one in the IIHF.

  127. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    rickithebear,

    You are not a real bear are you?

    I will leave it at that. 6 or 7 years in, you know nothing about me.

  128. Pescador says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    Pescador,

    I’d be okay with it if his other contributionswere positive.

    Right now last I checked he was a team worst -30 in takeaway/giveaway ratio, taken mostly minor penalties–not exactly the enforcer type.

    So if the intangibles are leadership and we are in 27th place, how much do we value those intangibles?

    The giveaways are just appalling, the one part of his game that is consistent.

    My line of thought was *at the time of the original offer* of said contract.

    Trying my best not to see everything through shit coloured glasses

  129. danny says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    I’d have to say that as one who does not believe in ref conspiracy theories in the NHL I think there is one in the IIHF.

    International sports in general. It can be blatantly lopsided.

  130. OmJo says:

    Woogie63: Strome has covered his bet … a $3M center is Ryan Strome

    95th Center as measured by the cap hit
    87 Center as measured by points
    105 Centers as measured by TOI

    Eberle might not of covered his bet

    9th RW as measured by cap hit
    17th RW as measured by points
    38th RW as measured by TOI

    sources capfriendly

    I feel like this isn’t a proper way to compare the players.

    It is much easier to crack the top 100 that it is to crack the top 20 of your position. Eberle is 17th in RW scoring while 39th in RW TOI.

    Eberle is 68th in all league scoring and [tied for] 64th in cap hit (this is all skaters).

    I would much rather have a $6M Eberle than a $3M Strome on my team.

  131. OmJo says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): So Eberle has 17th most points while only getting 38th most ice time.

    All that proves is that he is outscoring his 2nd line ice time with 1st line level production.

    What’s your point?

    Please, in the interest of fairness do the same exercise for 6m left wing Milan Lucic.

    Beat me to it lol.

  132. OmJo says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    OriginalPouzar,

    You asked me why I thought this was a buyers’ market.

    Friedman now agrees with me:

    Friedman – there are a lot more teams that want to sell than teams that want to buy. It makes it harder to do what you want to do on the trade market

    If you’re Vegas, do you put all your eggs in one basket and go for a SC push?

    It would be absolutely huge for the franchise and the league if they did that.

  133. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    OmJo: If you’re Vegas, do you put all your eggs in one basket and go for a SC push?

    It would be absolutely huge for the franchise and the league if they did that.

    You buy, but don’t go all in. You’re playing with house money, but playing the long game is really important for that franchise.

    Winning a round or two is gravy as it is.

  134. Bank Shot says:

    OmJo: I feel like this isn’t a proper way to compare the players.

    It is much easier to crack the top 100 that it is to crack the top 20 of your position. Eberle is 17th in RW scoring while 39th in RW TOI.

    Eberle is 68th in all league scoring and [tied for] 64th in cap hit (this is all skaters).

    I would much rather have a $6M Eberle than a $3M Strome on my team.

    Would you rather have a 50 point Lucic or a 60 point Eberle?

    Obviously you take Eberle this season, but in a normal year when Lucic puts up 50+ points I think I would rather have the big man.

    They both arent good defensively. Intimidation isn’t quantifiable but it definitely existed when I played hockey and I’m convinced it has an effect on the game.

  135. Surrey Oiler says:

    They will “Oilers” this…mark my words

  136. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Surrey Oiler:
    They will “Oilers” this…mark my words

    Don’t say that. The Canadian Women are a much better team than the Oilers. Even if they win Silver today, they have been amazing for 20 years.

  137. Georges says:

    OmJo: I feel like this isn’t a proper way to compare the players.

    It is much easier to crack the top 100 that it is to crack the top 20 of your position. Eberle is 17th in RW scoring while 39th in RW TOI.

    Eberle is 68th in all league scoring and [tied for] 64th in cap hit (this is all skaters).

    I would much rather have a $6M Eberle than a $3M Strome on my team.

    So I can have two Stromes playing 3C and ? or one Eberle playing 2RW.

    2 x 24 points or 43 points.

    2 x 14:56 or 15:51

    One of the Stromes will play 2PP and get 5 points, the same as Eberle.

    One of them may kill penalties.

    Hmm…

    (Why is Eberle only scoring 0.7 PPG by the way, playing with Barzal, a point per game player? Weird. How good a year is Eberle having? He’s within spitting distance of last season. I didn’t know that.)

  138. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Georges: So I can have two Stromes playing 3C and ? or one Eberle playing 2RW.

    2 x 24 points or 43 points.

    2 x 14:56 or 15:51

    One of the Stromes will play 2PP and get 5 points, the same as Eberle.

    One of them may kill penalties.

    Hmm…

    (Why is Eberle only scoring 0.7 PPG by the way, playing with Barzal, a point per game player? Weird. How good a year is Eberle having? He’s within spitting distance of last season. I didn’t know that.)

    This is a good way of looking at it, Georges. And I agree with you. My problem is not dealing Eberle–it’s leaving the cap space unused (some would say used for Russell). But if you had two Stromes or Strome and a winger for McDavid, I would not have been upset.

  139. Surrey Oiler says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): Don’t say that. The Canadian Women are a much better team than the Oilers. Even if they win Silver today, they have been amazing for 20 years.

    True that my friend !

  140. danny says:

    Damn. It’s 3am here and I have work in the morning.

    Interesting that the RBC commercial had Philip-Poulin saying she’s chasing the golden goal hat trick.

    There’s no better setup than that…

    Let’s go ladies

  141. Rebilled says:

    David Perron is having a better season than Eberle.

    Didn’t we trade him for Klinkhammer?

  142. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Rebilled:
    David Perron is having a better season than Eberle.

    Didn’t we trade him for Klinkhammer?

    Oh nice back door entry into the trade that shall not be named, 1.0

  143. frjohnk says:

    Calgary gets smoked by Vegas tonight.

    Imagine the love Chia would get if he had traded this years first rounder + for Hamonic with the Oilers missing the playoffs.

    And then that pick winning one of the lotteries.

    Well, that scenario could happen to Calgary.

  144. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    frjohnk,

    Think we are all aware and actively cheering for that to happen.

    Snow kept his job thanks to the Alberta teams.

  145. JD_Wry says:

    Rebilled: Didn’t we trade him for Klinkhammer?

    And a 1st in 2015!

    Who was that…

  146. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    JD_Wry: And a 1st in 2015!

    Who was that…

    Bait taken…lol

  147. Bank Shot says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    frjohnk,

    Think we are all aware and actively cheering for that to happen.

    Snow kept his job thanks to the Alberta teams.

    If they let Snow stay in charge for a third rebuild….well that would be a real Oilers move by the Islanders.

  148. JD_Wry says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): Bait taken…lol

    It’ll exist until LT bars all trolls.

  149. OmJo says:

    Rebilled:
    David Perron is having a better season than Eberle.

    Didn’t we trade him for Klinkhammer?

    And the first we traded for Reinhart (ie, Barzal)

  150. danny says:

    With the game still undecided I just want to applaud both of these hockey programs/nations. 20 years of edge of the seat hockey. They all can hold their heads high regardless of the outcome of this game.

  151. JD_Wry says:

    Bank Shot: If they let Snow stay in charge for a third rebuild….well that would be a real Oilers move by the Islanders.

    Well both names begin with a vowel and end with ‘ers’, both were dynasties in the 80s, they’ve shared similar color schemes over some of the years, and former players have had a lot to do with where both teams are now. .

  152. LMHF#1 says:

    Coach puts out a specialist who’s barely played? Wtf?

    Canada very fortunate to survive that. They were chasing all OT.

  153. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Hats off to both teams. The better team won, by my eye.

  154. Nailer Yakumoto says:

    Nurse looked the most composed as they stood in line after the loss. What a family.

  155. JimmyV1965 says:

    Georges: So I can have two Stromes playing 3C and ? or one Eberle playing 2RW.

    2 x 24 points or 43 points.

    2 x 14:56 or 15:51

    One of the Stromes will play 2PP and get 5 points, the same as Eberle.

    One of them may kill penalties.

    Hmm…

    (Why is Eberle only scoring 0.7 PPG by the way, playing with Barzal, a point per game player? Weird. How good a year is Eberle having? He’s within spitting distance of last season. I didn’t know that.)

    I don’t want this to be part of the Eberle discussion, but I would much rather have one guy at $6 mill with 43 pts than two guys at $3 mill with 24 pts. Everything else being equal. The guy with 43 pts is much harder to find and will have a much greater chance of impacting a game. And I can more easily find a cheap guy with 12 pts. Put another way, I would rather have McDavid at 100 pts than two guys at 50 pts.

  156. stevezie says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    That power play was…unfortunate

    Quite.

  157. stevezie says:

    OmJo: I feel like this isn’t a proper way to compare the players.

    It is much easier to crack the top 100 that it is to crack the top 20 of your position. Eberle is 17th in RW scoring while 39th in RW TOI.

    Eberle is 68th in all league scoring and [tied for] 64th in cap hit (this is all skaters).

    I would much rather have a $6M Eberle than a $3M Strome on my team.

    Big time. Players are basically paid according to how replaceable they are- at least they should be. It’s not that Strom does half of what Eberle does, it’s that there are less than half as many Eberles out there as Stromes. This is why some people say 97 is underpaid.

    I don’t think anyone is actually saying two 30 point players is the same as one 60 point guy though, right?

    Georges: (Why is Eberle only scoring 0.7 PPG by the way, playing with Barzal, a point per game player? Weird. How good a year is Eberle having? He’s within spitting distance of last season. I didn’t know that.)

    I’m not sure where the riddle is. Why do none of 97’s wingers score at the same rate he does?

    As to your second question, pretty good season. As he had last year. If you want to argue 6 mil is a little rich for him you’ve got a case, but a consistent 50-60 point guy is a good player.

  158. GMB3 says:

    Woogie63: Lucic vs. LW

    13th for cap hit
    42nd for Points
    47th for TOI

    Not sure my you request this we all know the player is having a bad season.

    My point would be are we getting $3M of value (by NHL terms for Mr. Strome).There is an argument that we are.

    Young Jon Willis shot this argument dead several weeks back at The Athletic

  159. OriginalPouzar says:

    Really tough to “lose” a gold medal game in a shootout but the international rules have always had the shootout.

    Game Night: Oilers at Avs.

    Here is hoping to see Drake on the 4th line where he can be effective as an energy play.

    Here is hoping for a better game for Maroon who is playing his worst hockey as an Oiler right as we are trying to trade him.

    Would like to see Cammy down the lineup an Jesse up the lineup at the Khaira/Strome/Slep line together again.

    Go Oilers.

  160. Wilde says:

    Combing through scouting articles, I came across a good home-run candidate in Pronman’s Five Nation tournament piece: LH RW Ruslan Ishkakov.

    I won’t copy+paste, but Pronman talks about rapid improvement, and elite offensive intelligence.

    Two things guarantee a draft drop inverse to talent… size, and being Russian.

    He’s small and playing in the MHL.

    According to Pronman a first-round type talent, I haven’t seen him in any draft rankings, on eliteprospects he sits at #72 EU skaters by NHL Central Scouting.

    Worth a 3/4th round selection, good value at 5th+

  161. GMB3 says:

    I wonder if Ty Rattie is a better hockey player than Drake Caggiula. In a way I think the “games played” part of his contract that gets thrown out here all the time probably hurts his NHL career in the long run. He’s exactly the type of player who needed to do some meandering in the minors to find his game. He looks like a prototypical bottom 6 guy in today’s NHL but he probably would have benefitted from learning to become a better two way guy in the AHL. See Jujhair Khaira as an example of that kind of development.

  162. OriginalPouzar says:

    Skinner stopped 37 of 39 in a 4-2 win against one of the top teams in the entire CHL last night.

    Unbelievable 2nd half of the year from Skinner.

  163. OriginalPouzar says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): This is a good way of looking at it, Georges. And I agree with you. My problem is not dealing Eberle–it’s leaving the cap space unused (some would say used for Russell). But if you had two Stromes or Strome and a winger for McDavid, I would not have been upset.

    The “unused cap space” vitriol is one other thing that, in my opinion is unwarranted and easily justifiable.

    Firstly, the cap space from the Eberle trade was, in my opinion, used on the Russell signing – that was the 2RD “acquisition” which, in my opinion, was a bad move from the start as Russell is a 3LD, not a 2RD.

    Anyways, it can’t be argued that the Oilers didn’t have additional unused cap space for this season but, lets not forget, they have less than zero cap space for next season. To me, this means that they only had the ability to fill that unused cap space with a signing (or contract acquisition) for a one-year term – no term could be committed to over 1 year. That is an extremely limiting situation.

    Additionally, the plan was to be a playoff team and Chia wanted to evaluate the team and determine where he might need to upgrade in-season (i.e. at the deadline) and keep some dry powder for in-season/deadline acquisitions. Unfortunately, the season went off the rails and we aren’t buyers at the deadline.

    Of course, we also have significant performance bonus possibilities this season and we needed to keep a cushion so that we don’t risk an overage and a penalty next season when there is no cap space.

  164. Wilde says:

    OriginalPouzar:

    Anyways, it can’t be argued that the Oilers didn’t have additional unused cap space for this season but, lets not forget, they have less than zero cap space for next season.To me, this means that they only had the ability to fill that unused cap space with a signing (or contract acquisition) for a one-year term – no term could be committed to over 1 year. That is an extremely limiting situation.

    It’s a self limiting situation though, because you don’t have to use the timing Pete did, or the ordering…

    A more prudent GM could only make the deal once an expiring deal comes in, a more patient GM could simply dump Eberle in the next summer. He could have shopped him to a different team and gotten a Strome and a pick, then packaged the pick with something to get a stronger 2018 expiring player than existed in the FA pool.

    And I mean, restating that Chiarelli thought this team could make it to the deadline to buy isn’t a very good justification of his logical process. It’s more of an indictment of his ability to gauge where this team is, and a harsh one.

  165. Wilde says:

    I’m reading an article on the Gudbranson re-signing, and the author rattles off the Canucks F prospects Boeser, Gaudette, Lockwood, Dahlen, Goldobin, Petersson, Lind, and Gadjovich.

    He then states that it’s reasonable to think that at least 5 will be NHLers.

  166. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    I don’t blame Chia for hoping for better for this team. No one expects the Spanish Inquisition.

    But I think it is fair to say his assessment of the chances for his team last year at the deadline were off; they could have used a bit more help and done some damage. And this year the decision to keep the cap space for a deadline rental was always a big risk. By not icing the best team you can you risk not even making the postseason.

    I don’t know how that position is defensible except to say he thought Yamamoto or Puljujarvi would replace Eberle and he was way off on that. Just like he was way off on believing Reinhart was ready for an NHL role.

    I would much rather ice the best team I can. A free agent winger does not necessarily require bonuses.

    As for the cap issues those are his own doing. Not sure how that is a positive defence for Chiarelli.

    And again, I am not saying Chia is horrible, but he fumbled summer of 2017 and may not recover.

  167. OriginalPouzar says:

    Wilde: It’s a self limiting situation though, because you don’t have to use the timing Pete did, or the ordering…

    A more prudent GM could only make the deal once an expiring deal comes in, a more patient GM could simply dump Eberle in the next summer. He could have shopped him to a different team and gotten a Strome and a pick, then packaged the pick with something to get a stronger 2018 expiring player than existed in the FA pool.

    And I mean, restating that Chiarelli thought this team could make it to the deadline to buy isn’t a very good justification of his logical process. It’s more of an indictment of his ability to gauge where this team is, and a harsh one.

    Oh, don’t get me wrong, I don’t agree that the Eberle deal needed to be made or that the return was good (although I like Strome more than most – I see a player there, and affordable one over the years).

    I’m simply responding to the verbal out there re: the unused cap space this particular season. Its true, there is unused cap space but, in my opinion, that was completely justifiable given the context (only for one year) and the original plan to use it at the deadline to load up (no longer the plan, obviously)

  168. OriginalPouzar says:

    Wilde:
    I’m reading an article on the Gudbranson re-signing, and the author rattles off the Canucks F prospects Boeser, Gaudette, Lockwood, Dahlen, Goldobin, Petersson, Lind, and Gadjovich.

    He then states that it’s reasonable to think that at least 5 will be NHLers.

    That’s pretty much the same as saying that 5 of the following will be NHLers:

    Puljijarvi, Yamamoto, Benson, Vessel, Maskimov, Safin, Rasanen, McPhee

  169. OriginalPouzar says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    OriginalPouzar,

    I don’t blame Chia for hoping for better for this team. No one expects the Spanish Inquisition.

    But I think it is fair to say his assessment of the chances for his team last year at the deadline were off; they could have used a bit more help and done some damage. And this year the decision to keep the cap space for a deadline rental was always a big risk. By not icing the best team you can you risk not even making the postseason.

    I don’t know how that position is defensible except to say he thought Yamamoto or Puljujarvi would replace Eberle and he was way off on that. Just like he was way off on believing Reinhart was ready for an NHL role.

    I would much rather ice the best team I can. A free agent winger does not necessarily require bonuses.

    As for the cap issues those are his own doing. Not sure how that is a positive defence for Chiarelli.

    And again, I am not saying Chia is horrible, but he fumbled summer of 2017 and may not recover.

    “Icing the best team” is a fine mantra but one needs to do so while also keeping a view to the future.

    Sure, we could have used the cap space for this coming year and signed a bloated UFA contract for 6 years that would absolutely eff us for next year and beyond even more so than we are.

    That would “ice a better team” this year but would have been a terrible move.

    Yes, the “keep some space to figure out where he need to improve mid-season/at the deadline” was a risk and one of those bets that didn’t pay off – pretty much none of the off-season bets did. The risk was sound though in my opinion as I don’t think any/many expected us not to at least be in the playoff picture.

    Anyways, I’m not defending Chia in general – yes, the limited cap space in the future is his doing, however, it is what it is and I agree with not “spending it” on contracts with term which would further cripple the team.

    Its a defence of the vitriol for the “unused cap space” an isolated “non-move” – not a defence of the manager or the reason there isn’t more flexibility in the cap going forward.

  170. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Okay, by the same token you are framing my comment about using the cap space by invoking the rather extreme example of a bloated contract for 6 years. I don’t believe I ever said anything about that. In fact I said spend it on two Strome types (1 year left) or Strome plus a defensively responsible 15 goal winger.
    Wouldn’t be calling for a multi year deal.

    Fair?

    Anyway, game day. Looking forward to MacK vs McD round 2. Hopefully TMc gives McD some help. Landeskog and Rantanen are better than any Oiler wingers bar Leon when he plays wing.

  171. russ99 says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    OriginalPouzar,

    I don’t blame Chia for hoping for better for this team. No one expects the Spanish Inquisition.

    But I think it is fair to say his assessment of the chances for his team last year at the deadline were off; they could have used a bit more help and done some damage. And this year the decision to keep the cap space for a deadline rental was always a big risk. By not icing the best team you can you risk not even making the postseason.

    I don’t know how that position is defensible except to say he thought Yamamoto or Puljujarvi would replace Eberle and he was way off on that. Just like he was way off on believing Reinhart was ready for an NHL role.

    I would much rather ice the best team I can. A free agent winger does not necessarily require bonuses.

    As for the cap issues those are his own doing. Not sure how that is a positive defence for Chiarelli.

    And again, I am not saying Chia is horrible, but he fumbled summer of 2017 and may not recover.

    I wonder how much of that is really on Chiarelli, though he’s got the title, and thus the ultimate responsibility.

    Look at who’s in charge of scouting, AHL management and player development in hockey ops.

    A frequent failed strategy of the MacTavish GM era was assuming draft picks can step right in and fill massive holes.

    So if you have MacTavish, Howson, Sutter , et. al. scouting and advising on free agents (especially Howson on the multiple ill advised AHL free agent signings) how much is it really on Chia?

    After the Reinhart trade, though, there has to be some “fool me twice” with the scouting supplied by the old boys, so he’s not blameless.

    If Nicholson and Chiarelli are still in charge of things come April, I’d hope that this year’s results and the void of players in the system build a case to flush the old boys out and hire people who know what they’re doing.

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