G61 2017-18 Oilers at Kings

The Edmonton Oilers are heading to the deadline with a lot of balls in the air, according to general manager Peter Chiarelli. His media avail revealed little but there were a few worthy nuggets thrown out for the fan base to mull. One of the prime takeaways? If he’s being replaced in April, pretty clear the general manager is unaware of the coming storm.

THE ATHLETIC!

COMING INTO LOS ANGELES, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • February 2016: 3-8-0, goal differential -10 (6 points)
  • February 2017: 5-6-0, goal differential -3 (10 points)
  • February 2018: 3-7-1, goal differential -7 (7 points)
  • February 25, 2016: Los Angeles 2, Edmonton 1 (Source)
  • February 28, 2017: Edmonton 2, St. Louis 1 (Source)

The last time Edmonton hit California things didn’t go well. The goaltending is a little more settled now, and of course the three teams are pushing in the Pacific Division. There is little separation between Los Angeles, Anaheim and San Jose as days go down, so a loss to the Oilers by any of these teams would be a dagger. If the visitors are to be effective in a spoiler role, then two wins over the next few days would be required. A tall order.

AFTER 60, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers 15-16: 22-32-6, goal differential -42 (50 points)
  • Oilers 16-17: 32-20-8, goal differential +17 (72 points)
  • Oilers 17-18: 25-31-4, goal differential -30 (54 points)
  • February 23, 2016: Ottawa 4, Edmonton 1 (Source)
  • February 22, 2017: Edmonton 4, Florida 3 (Source)

This year’s team could put some real daylight between themselves and the 15-16 team with a win tonight. Last year’s team is long gone and it won’t get any better. How bad is the gap? The 2015-16 team went 9-11-2 to finish 31-43-8, 70 points. Last year’s team went 15-6-1 to finish 47-26-9, 103 points. This year’s team has shown a baffling inability to get on a winning run so 20 points in 22 games (the 15-16 route) is the reasonable expectation.

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM FEBRUARY

  • At home to: Colorado, Tampa Bay (Expected 0-1-1) (Actual 1-0-1)
  • On the road to: Los AngelesAnaheimSan Jose (Expected 1-1-1) (Actual 0-3-0)
  • At home to: Florida (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • On the road to: Vegas, Arizona, Colorado (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 1-2-0)
  • At home to: Boston, Colorado (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 1-1-0)
  • On the road to: Los Angeles, Anaheim, San Jose (Expected 0-2-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 5-6-3, 13 points in 14 games
  • Current results: 3-7-1, seven points in 11 games 

CHIARELLI’S AVAIL

Peter Chiarelli is proceeding with a plan and wanted to be clear there are no plans to blow up the roster. I hadn’t heard that rumor, but it was apparently something management wanted to make clear. Some comments.

  • “There is interest in (Maroon and Letestu). We have talked to those two players about re-signing. These are two playoff-proven players from last year. They’re very versatile players. They bring a level of experience and expertise. There is interest there. I don’t like talking about players specifically in the trade context, but it’s a reality. There’s interest there so we’ll see where it goes.”

Surprising item on attempts to re-sign both men, I think we can see Letestu’s replacement (Jujhar Khaira) and Maroon exiting means increased speed likely inside the top-six forwards. There was chatter about getting young, NHL-ready types (the entry-level deals we have discussed) and I imagine it’ll come down to a choice between picks or prospects. Edmonton almost dealt Justin Schultz to the Los Angeles Kings for Nikolay Prokhorkin in 2016 before dealing him to Pittsburgh for the third-round selection that turned into Filip Berglund, that may be the kind of choice we’re talking about with these two UFA’s.

  • “As far as hockey deals, we’re looking at a couple. I don’t know where they sit right now. There’s some larger action going on right now and we’re not in it.”

I’ll guess Ryan Strome and Matt Benning but these are guesses from the ‘pissing in the wind’ file. Edmonton making four moves before Monday deadline seems rich. Two? That seems right.

Bear is having a solid year, even with the injury issues that cost him a bunch of games. Could he receive a recall before season’s end? Possibly.

One of the reasons I have Ty Smith ranked No. 5 on my 2018 draft list is that the offensive package is outstanding. He can defend, skate, pass beautifully and impact offense. We all have our favorites and there’s a pile of fine blue this time but that guy appears to be the real deal. Smith went 3-4-7 +7 last night in a huge game for the draft-eligible defender. Kailer Yamamoto was 1-2-3 +5 on the night.

KAILER YAMAMOTO

  • Yamamoto 2016-17: 65GP, 42-57-99 (1.52 points-per-game)
  • Yamamoto 2017-18: 31GP, 17-35-52 (1.68 points-per-game)
  • Yamamoto first 10 games: 1-8-9
  • Yamamoto second 10 games: 7-11-18
  • Yamamoto third 10 games: 8-14-22

I’m not sure he’ll get to 2.00 points-per-game but he’s having a terrific run now. Yamamoto turns pro this fall and will have an excellent chance to make the big club. I think Peter Chiarelli should do everything he can to force Yamamoto into the AHL, at least at the beginning of the year. Not as punishment, but rather in an effort to improve the overall depth of the organization. The recall quality of this year’s forwards is as poor as I’ve ever seen in this organization. It isn’t all on Chiarelli, that 2014 draft was a strange one, but having an extra offensive winger on the farm with NHL ability would be a wise choice for Edmonton in 2018-19.

The Calgary Flames have deployed several players from their minor league team (the Stockton Heat) this year: Mark Jankowski, Andrew Mangiapane, Garnet Hathaway, Ryan Lomberg, Marek Hrivik among others. Several have performed very well once recalled. That should be the goal for the Oilers and it won’t happen in one summer.

A good start? Once Kailer Yamamoto and Tyler Benson arrive in Bakersfield, play the hell out of them. They need the at-bats from Day 1.

 

 

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  1. OriginalPouzar says:

    The last west coast road trip did not go so well for the Oilers but they have the opportunity to redeem themselves over the next 4 days.

    Silver lining if they don’t – hurts the flames.

    I’m assuming Maroon is back in the lineup – hopefully he has a good game and shows the hockey world that he’s healthy and ready to help some team in the playoffs.

    I’d be just find if the rest of the forward lineup stayed the same and Drake remained in street clothes.

    Looking for Talbot to have a fifth solid to plus game in a row.

    Also looking for the secondary forwards to continue to be factors – Puljijarvi, Slep, Strome, etc.

    Go Oilers!

  2. OriginalPouzar says:

    I am really hoping for an NHL-ready prospect on his ELC that has a good shot of playing in the middle-6 next season on merit.

    I don’t think that Maroon necessarily gets us that player on his own but I’m willing to add to him to get that player.

  3. OriginalPouzar says:

    I hope we don’t see Bear in the NHL this year.

    He is indeed having a nice rookie pro season which is great – nice arrows. His offence is there but his goal differential still isn’t great and, from accounts, his defensive game is still developing, as expected.

    We have guys like Lowe, Gryba, Stanton, Simpson for cover so that real prospects like Bear can keep playing in the proper league and keep his developmental path proper. He deserves the opportunity to not be thrown in above his head and to continue to develop in the proper league.

    I think, if all goes as planned, next year is likely the time to talk about a potential cup of coffee.

  4. OriginalPouzar says:

    An NHL-ready prospect for the middle 6 at the deadline will help the ability for “force” Yamamoto to the AHL for the start of the year.

    Make it so Chia!

  5. dustrock says:

    I’m not sure when I’ll get over the Oilers partially being screwed for giving valuable draft picks to the Bruins and Sharks for hiring people they had already fired.

    One of the stupidest rules I’ve ever heard of and the NHL might want to look at different lawyers if it was a drafting issue.

  6. OriginalPouzar says:

    Hebig will join Yamamoto and Benson turning pro next year (although a lesser propsect for sure).

    Perhaps Tyler Vesel?

    LT, do you think they will sign Vesel this spring?

    I don’t see why not.

  7. Wilde says:

    Ty Smith is now the #1 U18 defenseman by production in the WHL and it’s not even close.

    5v5 P/GP is 0.57, next closest is 0.45.

    I still have him in the cluster below Hughes and Boqvist though.

    Say you’re #4, who do you pick?

  8. Jaxon says:

    Does anyone have a real definitive answer on Kris Russell’s contract. Many have stated that they know for a fact that it is 2 years of NMC followed by 2 years of Limited NMC. But there are conflicting sources as pointed out by Beer League Heroes recently. Where two contract tracking sites have different clauses, and there were many conflicting news sources when he was signed. BLHs also found a tweet from someone who attended an Oilers breakfast event with Chiarelli and Chiarelli appeared to clarify that there was no clause in the 1st two years. That is a big deal. I wonder if someone with access from the mainstream media can get a definitive answer soon to clear it up once and for all. I was possibly the first to suggest buying Russell out but if he doesn’t have a clause that is great news for using a Russell trade to make cap space.

    And ‘definitive answer’ doesn’t mean linking to news items on the day of or to Cap Friendly / NHL Numbers, as I can do the same thing that say the opposite.

  9. Jaxon says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I hope we don’t see Bear in the NHL this year.

    He is indeed having a nice rookie pro season which is great – nice arrows.His offence is there but his goal differential still isn’t great and, from accounts, his defensive game is still developing, as expected.

    We have guys like Lowe, Gryba, Stanton, Simpson for cover so that real prospects like Bear can keep playing in the proper league and keep his developmental path proper.He deserves the opportunity to not be thrown in above his head and to continue to develop in the proper league.

    I think, if all goes as planned, next year is likely the time to talk about a potential cup of coffee.

    I, for one, am okay with giving Bear a cup of coffee. I think those experiences can be real eye openers that let prospects know what they have to work on over the summer. and it might also make them just a bit more hungry to get another taste. Playing on a poor non-playoff-bound Bakersfield team with little forward talent isn’t the best situation anyway.

  10. Jaxon says:

    OriginalPouzar: Make it so Chia!

    The quote that fills me with fear and anxiety.

  11. Ryan says:

    I guess I am not the only one who’s nervous about Chiarelli trading for prospects.

    “Peter Chiarelli
    @FakeOilersGM
    Prospects that haven’t established themselves in the NHL yet. That’s what I’m looking for at the trade deadline this year. Someone like Griffin Reinhart.”

  12. Pouzar says:

    I’m sure Drake will be back in. I expect line 4 but nothing surprises me when it comes to TMc.

  13. Professor Q says:

    dustrock:
    I’m not sure when I’ll get over the Oilers partially being screwed for giving valuable draft picks to the Bruins and Sharks for hiring people they had already fired.

    One of the stupidest rules I’ve ever heard of and the NHL might want to look at different lawyers if it was a drafting issue.

    Especially as the rule was abolished immediately after those hires happened.

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  15. Psyche says:

    After seeing Ty Smith’s record 7-point night for Spokane it has me curious. What’s the NHL record for most primary points in a game? How would I find this out?

    This was precisely my thought yesterday when I first heard the quote:
    “Peter Chiarelli@FakeOilersGM
    Prospects that haven’t established themselves in the NHL yet…Someone like Griffin Reinhart.”
    It gave me shivers!

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  17. OriginalPouzar says:

    Pouzar:
    I’m sure Drake will be back in. I expect line 4 but nothing surprises me when it comes to TMc.

    I think he can play a positive role on the 4th line as an energy player – tenacious, aggressive on the forecheck – just keep him off special teams unless necessary).

    He can become an every day NHL player once he and the coaching staff accept the type of player he can be.

  18. Pouzar says:

    OriginalPouzar: I think he can play a positive role on the 4th line as an energy player – tenacious, aggressive on the forecheck – just keep him off special teams unless necessary).

    He can become an every day NHL player once he and the coaching staff accept the type of player he can be.

    I don’t see any of those things with that player but I would love to see TMc deploy him there so we could find out. The fact that he isn’t a good PKer either makes we wonder why he would be back next year.

  19. Lowetide says:

    At No. 4 I would take Jacob Olofsson.

  20. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lowetide: Jacob Olofsson

    I think he signed an extension with Timra recently so, presumably, he would stay in Sweden one more year even though he’d be AHL eligible?

  21. Lowetide says:

    OriginalPouzar: I think he signed an extension with Timra recently so, presumably, he would stay in Sweden one more year even though he’d be AHL eligible?

    I think the top three are going to play in the NHL, after that it’s doubtful any will make it.

  22. trencan says:

    Wilde:
    Ty Smith is now the #1 U18 defenseman by production in the WHL and it’s not even close.

    5v5 P/GP is 0.57, next closest is 0.45.

    I still have him in the cluster below Hughes and Boqvist though.

    Say you’re #4, who do you pick?

    Mine order for Oilers is Dahlin, Svechnikov, Boqvist, Zadina, Wahlstrom… I believe at #4 will be available Boqvist….

  23. Wilde says:

    Lowetide:
    At No. 4 I would take Jacob Olofsson.

    Allsvenskan factor? I like Olofsson too, but he’s coinflip with Wahlstrom to me.

  24. trencan says:

    Lowetide: I think the top three are going to play in the NHL, after that it’s doubtful any will make it.

    I believe the top 3 or 4 would be #1 overall previous year.

  25. Wilde says:

    trencan: Mine order for Oilers is Dahlin, Svechnikov, Boqvist, Zadina, Wahlstrom… I believe at #4 will be available Boqvist….

    I couldn’t pick Boqvist before Zadina, and I’m a big Boqvist guy.

    It’s just so, so risky compared to the freebie with Zadina. Team fit is about equal, but there’s a significant gap in arrival time between the two as well.

  26. Wilde says:

    trencan: I believe the top 3 or 4would be #1 overall previous year.

    I don’t know, with Zadina vs Hishchier it’s a similar player, first year QMJHLer with 1.47PPG and 1.50PPG respectively.

    Definitely close.

  27. trencan says:

    Wilde: I couldn’t pick Boqvist before Zadina, and I’m a big Boqvist guy.

    It’s just so, so risky compared to the freebie with Zadina. Team fit is about equal, but there’s a significant gap in arrival time between the two as well.

    Yes, you are right, but offensive puck moving defensemen have higher price than offensive wingers. Its also very difficult to find them on trademarket, you need to draft them and develope them. Making a trade for offensive winger in the future is not mission impossible.

  28. Bank Shot says:

    dustrock:
    I’m not sure when I’ll get over the Oilers partially being screwed for giving valuable draft picks to the Bruins and Sharks for hiring people they had already fired.

    One of the stupidest rules I’ve ever heard of and the NHL might want to look at different lawyers if it was a drafting issue.

    The Oilers might as well trade all of their draft picks outside the first round for players anyway given their track record.

    They have not hit on quality outside the first round since 2002!

    That might be the longest run for an NHL team.

    So many of the Oilers biggest problems over the years would have been alleviated if they could find a top half of the lineup player from deep in the draft every once in awhile.

  29. trencan says:

    Wilde: I couldn’t pick Boqvist before Zadina, and I’m a big Boqvist guy.

    It’s just so, so risky compared to the freebie with Zadina. Team fit is about equal, but there’s a significant gap in arrival time between the two as well.

    I had a chance to see both guys in action previous year. It was only few games but Boqvist seriously impressed me.

    I also like the dilema with #2 between Svechnikov and Zadina. Its like decision between Tarasenko and Pastrnak 🙂 Some guys here see in Boqvist next Karlsson but I would be happy with next Klingberg.

  30. Dino says:

    I still think the 2nd or 3rd best D in this draft might be Evan Bouchard from the London Knights. Hard to ignore that kind of offensive production especially considering his team was picked apart at their trade deadline. He’s a special talent. If we draft out of the top 5 I wouldn’t be mad at a Bouchard selection at all.

  31. Brantford Boy says:

    Lowetide:
    At No. 4 I would take Jacob Olofsson.

    Olofsson would be an excellent forward selection given we miss out on Zadina… seriously could you imagine JP and Zadina on the wings in 3 years, lookout… at least we would compete with Lind and Gadjovich…

    I had to look up Ty Smith’s box scores to make sure they weren’t a typo… oh my what a game… although the Chiefs website listed it as 2-5-7, but still…

  32. trencan says:

    Dino:
    I still think the 2nd or 3rd best D in this draft might be Evan Bouchard from the London Knights. Hard to ignore that kind of offensive production especially considering his team was picked apart at their trade deadline. He’s a special talent. If we draft out of the top 5 I wouldn’t be mad at a Bouchard selection at all.

    Its hard to predict, there are so many good defeneders this year, Dahlin is no doubt the best. But then then there are Boqvist, Hughes, Smith, Bouchard, Dobson, Merkley…. It will be about details and preferences/needs of the teams on the draft.

  33. Brantford Boy says:

    Dino,

    Noah Dobson…

  34. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bank Shot: The Oilers might as well trade all of their draft picks outside the first round for players anyway given their track record.

    They have not hit on quality outside the first round since 2002!

    That might be the longest run for an NHL team.

    So many of the Oilers biggest problems over the years would have been alleviated if they could find a top half of the lineup player from deep in the draft every once in awhile.

    Khaira, Davidson, Reider, Petry, etc.

    What is your definition of “quality”?

    Oh, maybe its “top half” – Petry fits i would say.

  35. Rondo says:

    Lowetide:
    At No. 4 I would take Jacob Olofsson.

    What are you a GM for Boston?

  36. trencan says:

    Rondo: What are you a GM for Boston?

    LT is allways full of surprises 🙂 This year especially on C position. If I remember correct, he prefers Akil Thomas and Olofsson who are in other draft rankings in the end of 1st round. I like Veleno and Kotkaniemi.

  37. Georges says:

    Here’s the trend in the % of total time on ice played by right-handed defensemen since the 05-06 season. I’ve also included the % of RD TOI for the champs in each season during the playoffs.

    Season, % RD TOI, % RD TOI for champs during playoffs

    06, 29, 35
    07, 29, 7
    08, 28, 27
    09, 30, 19
    10, 30, 46
    11, 35, 27
    12, 35, 50
    13, 36, 33
    14, 37, 49
    15, 40, 28
    16, 42, 45
    17, 42, 17

    The regular season trend is increasing ice-time for RD’s. The champs seem to swing from more than league average RD time to less than league average RD time from season to season. The first CHI win and the second LAK win preceded moves to more RD time for the league.

  38. JD_Wry says:

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  39. Bank Shot says:

    Georges:
    Here’s the trend in the % of total time on ice played by right-handed defensemen since the 05-06 season. I’ve also included the % of RD TOI for the champs in each season during the playoffs.

    Season, % RD TOI, % RD TOI for champs during playoffs

    06, 29, 35
    07, 29, 7
    08, 28, 27
    09, 30, 19
    10, 30, 46
    11, 35, 27
    12, 35, 50
    13, 36, 33
    14, 37, 49
    15, 40, 28
    16, 42, 45
    17, 42, 17

    The regular season trend is increasing ice-time for RD’s. The champs seem to swing from more than league average RD time to less than league average RD time from season to season. The first CHI win and the second LAK win preceded moves to more RD time for the league.

    What I take from this is that getting a good defenceman is better than getting a right handed defenceman.

  40. Pouzar says:

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    Joel Ward hits trade market. SJ has asked for his no trade list. Ward can block 6 teams. List will be submitted within 24 hrs. Good vet.

  41. smellyglove says:

    I know this line of thought is frowned upon here, but goddammit I am going to exercise my Charter right to freedom of expression and Lowetide’s famous latitude….

    Looking at NHL stats, former Oilers in the scoring race:

    Taylor Hall (15)
    David Perron (23)

    Oilers that should have been:

    Matthew Barzal (13)

    Taylor Hall was traded for Adam Larsson. Perron was traded for Klinkhammer and Pitts’ 1st round pick in 2015. That pick was turned into Matthew Barzal, which translated to Griffin Reinhart.

    Depressing, three players in the top 30.

  42. Pouzar says:

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  43. Pouzar says:

    smellyglove:
    I know this line of thought is frowned upon here, but goddammit I am going to exercise my Charter right to freedom of expression and Lowetide’s famous latitude….

    Looking at NHL stats, former Oilers in the scoring race:

    Taylor Hall (15)
    David Perron (23)

    Oilers that should have been:

    Matthew Barzal (13)

    Taylor Hall was traded for Adam Larsson. Perron was traded for Klinkhammer and Pitts’ 1st round pick in 2015. That pick was turned into Matthew Barzal, which translated to Griffin Reinhart.

    Depressing, three players in the top 30.

    I dunno how many more ways that trade can haunt us.

  44. Georges says:

    Here the % of RD ice time for each team this season prior to last night’s games:

    Team, % RD TOI, Rank

    ANA, 53, 5
    ARI, 29, 29
    BOS, 54, 4
    BUF, 34, 21
    CAR, 49, 8
    CBJ, 37, 18
    CGY, 48, 10
    CHI, 46, 13
    COL, 35, 19
    DAL, 54, 1
    DET, 31, 26
    EDM, 32, 25
    FLA, 54, 2
    LAK, 34, 22
    MIN, 45, 14
    MTL, 30, 28
    NJD, 47, 11
    NSH, 33, 23
    NYI, 34, 20
    NYR, 26, 30
    OTT, 43, 15
    PHI, 13, 31
    PIT, 40, 16
    SJS, 54, 3
    STL, 52, 7
    TBL, 49, 9
    TOR, 31, 27
    VAN, 40, 17
    VGK, 33, 24
    WPG, 53, 6
    WSH, 47, 12

    The correlation between % RD TOI and Points % is 0.30.

  45. JimmyV1965 says:

    Bank Shot: The Oilers might as well trade all of their draft picks outside the first round for players anyway given their track record.

    They have not hit on quality outside the first round since 2002!

    That might be the longest run for an NHL team.

    So many of the Oilers biggest problems over the years would have been alleviated if they could find a top half of the lineup player from deep in the draft every once in awhile.

    The Oilers draft record provides no end of frustration for me. To say it’s awful really doesn’t do it justice. The ineptitude of this team is staggering. Maybe they should have a forensic audit of that.

    If the Oilers could draft a top 6 forward or top 4 dman with their first round pick just 50% of the time. And do the same thing with the rest of their picks just once every two frickin years, they would have a sustainable development program. You have 12 picks from round 2-7 every two years. Just draft one good player with those 12.

  46. Pouzar says:

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  47. Bank Shot says:

    OriginalPouzar: Khaira, Davidson, Reider, Petry, etc.

    What is your definition of “quality”?

    Oh, maybe its “top half” – Petry fits i would say.

    Missed Petry. Shoot I guess it’s only been 11 years. 🙂

    My definition of quality is top six forward, top four defender, starting goalie.

    Then if you look at the last time they drafted a star/front line player outside the first round. Well, that hurts to think about.

  48. JD_Wry says:

    Pouzar: Joel Ward hits trade market.

    So does Wilson get more for the 37 yr old Ward than Chia does for Maroon?

  49. Pouzar says:

    JD_Wry: So does Wilson get more for the 37 yr old Ward than Chia does for Maroon?

    I thought the new plan was to resign Maroon and Letestu because team speed?

  50. JimmyV1965 says:

    Unless the Oil pick in the top four, I think they should trade down. There are quality players later in the draft.

  51. Pouzar says:

    So are Oilers gonna use any of this cap space to facilitate another trade of a UFA? Maybe grab a prospect pick?

    NM, silly question.

  52. Pouzar says:

    JimmyV1965:
    Unless the Oil pick in the top four, I think they should trade down. There are quality players later in the draft.

    I think the numbers for picks outside Top 5 are glaring. I think we need to make that pick at 5 and under.

  53. JimmyV1965 says:

    Olafsson is ranked 23 on Mackenzie’s rankings. I think the pjay world be trading down.

  54. Georges says:

    Here’s Babcock talking about defenseman handedness:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaeh11uw0gg

    He’s talking really fast. I don’t understand the scenarios he’s describing…

  55. anjinsan says:

    Chiarelli saying he’s looking for speed = Chiarelli say he’s chasing the game in terms of team composition.

    Just quit, Peter. Go on a retreat and find your calling. It’s not GMing.

  56. Bank Shot says:

    Pouzar: I thought the new plan was to resign Maroon and Letestu because team speed?

    $3 million X 3 is doable for Maroon?

    That probably does not get it done, but any more might be a mistake.

    The UFA winger situation is an absolute wasteland next season. Maybe only 2-3 guys with any kind of production that are even an option for the Oilers.

  57. JD_Wry says:

    Pouzar: resign Maroon and Letestu

    Benning: Hey Trev, Pete says he might just re-sign Maroon. We should up our offer to a 5th rounder.

    Linden: Jimbo – he’s on the other side of this table. He can hear you.

  58. JimmyV1965 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Khaira, Davidson, Reider, Petry, etc.

    What is your definition of “quality”?

    Oh, maybe its “top half” – Petry fits i would say.

    If this is the best we can do in 20 years, words can’t describe the ineptitude.

  59. dustrock says:

    Feel like I have

    Dahlin
    Svechnikov
    Boqvist
    Wahlstrom
    Zadina
    Hughes/Smith
    Bouchard

    Probably seems insane.

  60. JimmyV1965 says:

    smellyglove:
    I know this line of thought is frowned upon here, but goddammit I am going to exercise my Charter right to freedom of expression and Lowetide’s famous latitude….

    Looking at NHL stats, former Oilers in the scoring race:

    Taylor Hall (15)
    David Perron (23)

    Oilers that should have been:

    Matthew Barzal (13)

    Taylor Hall was traded for Adam Larsson. Perron was traded for Klinkhammer and Pitts’ 1st round pick in 2015. That pick was turned into Matthew Barzal, which translated to Griffin Reinhart.

    Depressing, three players in the top 30.

    Some poor sap of a GM is going to grossly overpay Perron this year. That contract will be ugly.

  61. Pouzar says:

    JD_Wry,

    Bank Shot,

    I wonder if the Blues make a panic move for Maroon?!?!?
    They have slipped big time since Jan 01 and fighting for their playoff lives.

    @andystrickland
    19m19 minutes ago

    Pat Maroon, 12 goals, 26 points in 42 career playoff games. Played in Conf finals and three game sevens #Oilers

    @andystrickland
    30m30 minutes ago

    All I ever hear is how slow Pat Maroon is yet he’s played a ton with the fastest player in the history of the #NHL. Reality is not every one can play with elite talent. He’s done it with two teams. Getzlaf/Perry with #NHLducks and McDavid with #Oilers

  62. JD_Wry says:

    Pouzar: Blues

    And they got booed off of home ice after the Jets whupped em. There could be incentive there, but I’m not sure Armstrong panics.

  63. Pouzar says:

    JD_Wry: And they got booed off of home ice after the Jets whupped em. There could be incentive there, but I’m not sure Armstrong panics.

    Agreed on Armstrong.

    I don’t foresee any Oiler moves untill deadline day for underwhelming returns.

  64. Wilde says:

    Georges:
    Here’s Babcock talking about defenseman handedness:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaeh11uw0gg

    He’s talking really fast. I don’t understand the scenarios he’s describing…

    If this isn’t tongue in cheek, it’s a common thing he does where he’ll put his shop-talk on fast forward to try to intimidare the media.

    Basically, he’s describing either set plays or breakdowns from them where the majority of positive plays(aka anything that’s not basically a controllee-giveaway) are forced on the guys backhand because his forehand is facing the boards, not unlike how Russell has to chip off the boards when he’s being contested, because you can’t exactly wire a headman pass cross-ice to a guys tape on your backhand.

    Or if a guy wins an o-zone face-off to his dman and the dman has to turn his body over in order to send a forehand pass cross ice for the one timer, the time that takes is significant for goalie reaction time, and it’s harder to make yourself look like you’re doing anything except what you’re actually doing, so you can’t decieve the goalie with your hip’s direction.

    I’m assuming that’s the olympics presser video, I can’t watch it right now so I can’t transcribe the exact plays he’s talking about but it’s stuff like that.

  65. Ryan says:

    OriginalPouzar: Khaira, Davidson, Reider, Petry, etc.

    What is your definition of “quality”?

    Oh, maybe its “top half” – Petry fits i would say.

    Petry was quality, but they parlayed him into a 3rd and a 5th iirc. Lol.

    Davidson is a 6/7 defenseman they traded for a Desharnais rental.

    Reider was traded for a DOA prospect.

    Khaira is an okay bottom sixer.

  66. Wilde says:

    If the mysterious shadow cabal has their mind made up on Chiarelli, why would they let him captain the most critical deadline they’ll have for the forseeable future?

  67. anjinsan says:

    “…this isn’t really a post mortem…” — Peter Chiarelli.

    Yes, it is, Peter. Saying otherwise is empty assertion. You cost the Oilers the difference between Barzal and Carlo (or the likes of those two) + Hall + Eberle and Larsson + Strome. You spent too much. You termed too long. You built wrongly, a rugged slower team whose record collapsed. It wasn’t 1000 little cuts. It was a few huge, strategic gashes and hemorrhages. You so mis-contracted and depleted Oiler assets you’ve boxed yourself in and have only future draft picks which are desperately needed to replenish the farm as attractive assets for fixing things now. But you’ve established yourself in the eyes of GMs as their fleece boy regarding high-end, strategic assets. Sakic’s patience and smarts made you look like a desperate idiot.

    The bell tolls for you.

  68. Ryan says:

    Wilde:
    If the mysterious shadow cabal has their mind made up on Chiarelli, why would they let him captain the most critical deadline they’ll have for the forseeable future?

    Perhaps they don’t think there’s much variability in terms of what any GM can garner selling off the Oilers rentals.

    Also, it’s an inopportune time to find a replacement or take over.

    You need to let the stench of this season fester with Chiarelli before the transition.

  69. russ99 says:

    Nicholson is obviously still calling the shots, Gretzky seems to have an advisory role.

    I expect Chia will get another year with a new coach, hope that hockey ops is gutted and he gets a real chance.

    If we see Lowe and MacTavish at the draft table again, it pretty much doesn’t matter who is the coach and GM, we’re screwed.

  70. Georges says:

    Wilde: If this isn’t tongue in cheek, it’s a common thing he does where he’ll put his shop-talk on fast forward to try to intimidare the media.

    Basically, he’s describing either set plays or breakdowns from them where the majority of positive plays(aka anything that’s not basically a controllee-giveaway) are forced on the guys backhand because his forehand is facing the boards, not unlike how Russell has to chip off the boards when he’s being contested, because you can’t exactly wire a headman pass cross-ice to a guys tape on your backhand.

    Or if a guy wins an o-zone face-off to his dman and the dman hasto turn his body over in order to send a forehand pass cross ice for the one timer, the time that takes is significant for goalie reaction time, and it’s harder to make yourself look like you’re doing anything except what you’re actually doing, so you can’t decieve the goalie with your hip’s direction.

    I’m assuming that’s the olympics presser video, I can’t watch it right now so I can’t transcribe the exact plays he’s talking about but it’s stuff like that.

    Not tongue in cheek and thank you! And, yes, it is the presser.

    He describes situations in which an off-handed defenseman is going to give the puck back to the opposition because it’s his safest play, I think. He goes through it so fast I can’t picture the play.

    From what you’re saying, I can see the problem with the lefty on the right side on an OZ faceoff win. He’s going to be slower in moving the puck to the other point and, if pressured, he’ll bang it back in along the boards, giving up possession. Is that right?

    As far as having the stick facing the boards on the backhand in the d-zone, this should happen when Russell is along the side boards and facing up ice, is that correct?

    Why is an off-handed defenseman more likely to give up possession?

  71. JD_Wry says:

    Wilde: why would they let him captain

    I think the chain of command goes like this:

    Chia -> Coffey -> Messier -> K Gretzky -> W Gretzky -> MacT -> KLowe -> Katz.

    Trouble is that two of those guys don’t know how to use a smartphone, one of them forgets to dial 9 before sending a fax, and another only reads an email if the word Brazilian is in the subject.

  72. godot10 says:

    JD_Wry: So does Wilson get more for the 37 yr old Ward than Chia does for Maroon?

    It will be hard to tell, because Ward will be a small piece in a likely three-way that sees Karlsson end up in San Jose.

  73. godot10 says:

    Georges:
    Here’s Babcock talking about defenseman handedness:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaeh11uw0gg

    He’s talking really fast. I don’t understand the scenarios he’s describing…

    Yet, the Maple Leafs signed a left shot D Hainsey to be the right side D stop gap with Rielly.

    And Cody Franson was available.

  74. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ryan: Petry was quality, but they parlayed him into a 3rd and a 5th iirc. Lol.

    Davidson is a 6/7 defenseman they traded for a Desharnais rental.

    Reider was traded for a DOA prospect.

    Khaira is an okay bottom sixer.

    I was only responding to the opinion that we didn’t draft any quality outside the first round – the above-referenced players are, in my opinion, quality players drafted outside the first round.

    I wasn’t speaking to how management dealt with the players as that wasn’t part of the position I was responding to.

  75. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bob Stauffer

    Verified account

    @Bob_Stauffer
    4m4 minutes ago
    More
    Mark Letestu and Patrick Maroon will both have currency on the market, but are likely “secondary” trade targets at this time.
    Other dominos need to fall first.
    Likely late Sunday or Monday before something happens there.
    Could see teams “kicking tires” on Ryan Strome

  76. Oilman99 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I hope we don’t see Bear in the NHL this year.

    He is indeed having a nice rookie pro season which is great – nice arrows.His offence is there but his goal differential still isn’t great and, from accounts, his defensive game is still developing, as expected.

    We have guys like Lowe, Gryba, Stanton, Simpson for cover so that real prospects like Bear can keep playing in the proper league and keep his developmental path proper.He deserves the opportunity to not be thrown in above his head and to continue to develop in the proper league.

    I think, if all goes as planned, next year is likely the time to talk about a potential cup of coffee.

    If Bear gets a look at what it takes to play in the NHL, it could be good incentive to learn what he needs to work on in the off season. The elite prospects are quick learners, the r-d problem needs to be solved as quickly as possible.

  77. JD_Wry says:

    Oilman99: If Bear gets a look at what it takes to play in the NHL

    I agree – getting a taste wouldn’t be a bad thing, as long as he’s not given 1st pairing minutes with Russell (aka The Jultz). Getting to know some of the players better and practice with them can’t hurt if he plays a couple of games on the 3rd pairing.

    And it would put a nice bit of walking around money in his pocket as well.

    Trouble is, the Condors need everyone as they try to climb into the playoffs.

  78. Oilman99 says:

    smellyglove:
    I know this line of thought is frowned upon here, but goddammit I am going to exercise my Charter right to freedom of expression and Lowetide’s famous latitude….

    Looking at NHL stats, former Oilers in the scoring race:

    Taylor Hall (15)
    David Perron (23)

    Oilers that should have been:

    Matthew Barzal (13)

    Taylor Hall was traded for Adam Larsson. Perron was traded for Klinkhammer and Pitts’ 1st round pick in 2015. That pick was turned into Matthew Barzal, which translated to Griffin Reinhart.

    Depressing, three players in the top 30.

    Why does everybody keep crying the Barzal Bues,the record tells us the Oilers weren’t going to take even if they had kept the pick.

  79. godot10 says:

    Pouzar:
    JD_Wry,

    Bank Shot,

    I wonder if the Blues make a panic move for Maroon?!?!?
    They have slipped big time since Jan 01 and fighting for their playoff lives.

    @andystrickland19m19 minutes ago

    Pat Maroon, 12 goals, 26 points in 42 career playoff games. Played in Conf finals and three game sevens #Oilers

    @andystrickland30m30 minutes ago

    All I ever hear is how slow Pat Maroon is yet he’s played a ton with the fastest player in the history of the #NHL. Reality is not every one can play with elite talent. He’s done it with two teams. Getzlaf/Perry with #NHLducks and McDavid with #Oilers

    Maroon was too slow for the Ducks. What does that tell you? I’d take Maroon over Lucic, but Lucic got to Chiarelli first. One big slow left winger who can’t PK only.

    McDavid isn’t going to crack 100 points, and may not win the scoring title? is Maroon helping him? And you want to lock up Maroon with Lucic on the Oilers left side for the next 25% of McDavid’s Oilers’ career. With both of them taking all the significant money that can be allocated for left wings.

  80. Oilman99 says:

    JD_Wry: I agree – getting a taste wouldn’t be a bad thing, as long as he’s not given 1st pairing minutes with Russell (aka The Jultz). Getting to know some of the players better and practice with them can’t hurt if he plays a couple of games on the 3rd pairing.

    And it would put a nice bit of walking around money in his pocket as well.

    Trouble is, the Condors need everyone as they try to climb into the playoffs.

    Good point, getting a sniff of playoff hockey would probably be just as good.

  81. Wilde says:

    Georges: Not tongue in cheek and thank you! And, yes, it is the presser.

    He describes situations in which an off-handed defenseman is going to give the puck back to the opposition because it’s his safest play, I think. He goes through it so fast I can’t picture the play.

    From what you’re saying, I can see the problem with the lefty on the right side on an OZ faceoff win. He’s going to be slower in moving the puck to the other point and, if pressured, he’ll bang it back in along the boards, giving up possession. Is that right?

    As far as having the stick facing the boards on the backhand in the d-zone, this should happen when Russell is along the side boards and facing up ice, is that correct?

    Why is an off-handed defenseman more likely to give up possession?

    Yeah, the OZW play and the Russell situation I’m talking about are two different things, I should clarify.

    You’re seeing it correctly on the OZW, except the pass is happening no matter what, it’s just the result is suboptimal.(goalie more set, chance of block higher, etc.)

    On the breakout, typically the forechecking team has their first forward skating directly at the off-hand D, and you have to beat his check by carry or pass. If you skate forward, the puck is at the quadrant of your body that the forward is coming from, so you can’t protect it very easily. If you try to pass, you have to pass fast, and accurate, so the guy can’t bat it down if it’s too slow, or it hits him by his positioning… problem is, you lose both the hardness and accuracy of your passes when you’re on your backhand.

    The only other option? Controlled giveaway or D to D pass. Off the board, Murphy dump type stuff, or forcing your partner to deal with it, in which case the opposing team has set up well and your forwards have run out of ice, most of the time.

  82. JD_Wry says:

    Oilman99: Why does everybody keep crying the Barzal Bues

    Because it further establishes systemic organizational incompetence.

  83. JD_Wry says:

    Oilman99: playoff hockey

    But if both clubs miss the post season, every one of those KLowens should be wearing a paper bag over their head.

  84. Bank Shot says:

    godot10: Maroon was too slow for the Ducks. What does that tell you? I’d take Maroon over Lucic, but Lucic got to Chiarelli first.One big slow left winger who can’t PK only.

    McDavid isn’t going to crack 100 points, and may not win the scoring title?is Maroon helping him?And you want to lock up Maroon with Lucic on the Oilers left side for the next 25% of McDavid’s Oilers’ career.With both of them taking all the significant money that can be allocated for left wings.

    Yeah, You’re right.

    Hopefully 19-20 has a better crop of UFAs.

  85. godot10 says:

    Oilman99: Why does everybody keep crying the Barzal Bues,the record tells us the Oilers weren’t going to take even if they had kept the pick.

    Have you ever heard of a guy named Zach Parise? The Oilers weren’t going to draft him either, and we talked about Zach Parise for a decade.

  86. HenryDrix says:

    Pouzar:
    I’m sure Drake will be back in. I expect line 4 but nothing surprises me when it comes to TMc.

    They should send him to Universal Studios for the day. He can enjoy a butter beer while visiting hogwarts, maybe find a magic stick or hands while he’s there.

  87. JimmyV1965 says:

    Pouzar: I think the numbers for picks outside Top 5 are glaring. I think we need to make that pick at 5 and under.

    I could be wrong about this, but there seems to be a lot of variance in the draft rankings after 4OV, especially with the dmen. That’s why I would trade down.

  88. Wilde says:

    Oilman99: Why does everybody keep crying the Barzal Bues,the record tells us the Oilers weren’t going to take even if they had kept the pick.

    ….

    ….

    ….

    This is like Marco-Polo.

  89. OriginalPouzar says:

    Both Maroon and Caggulia are back on the ice today.

    So, I assume Pak and Auvitu come out. Here is hoping that Drake takes one spot on the 4th line and Cammy is moved down to the other 4th line spot (although I really don’t mind his veteran presence up the lineup, he makes smart plays with the puck even if he’s not “dynamic” any more).

  90. JD_Wry says:

    Shane Doan, Zach Parise, Matt Barzal.

    For more misery, click this link and scroll down, keeping an eye on the GP column:

    http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/teams/dr00005632.html

  91. Wilde says:

    JimmyV1965: I could be wrong about this, but there seems to be a lot of variance in the draft rankings after 4OV, especially with the dmen.

    Take the 2015 Draft for example. There were two Draft+2 top pairing D men in that draft.

    But it went like this:

    Hanifin
    Provorov
    Werenski
    Zboril
    Chabot
    Juulsen
    Larsson
    Carlsson
    Roy
    Dermott
    Carlo
    Meloche
    Spencer
    Guhle
    Lauzon
    Andersson
    Dunn
    Siegenthaler
    Kylington

    Whereas a re-draft might go like this(I know it’s early):

    Provorov
    Werenski
    Hanifin
    Carlo
    Chabot
    Dermott
    Guhle
    Dunn

    etc etc.

    There’s a big crop of defensemen in this draft, and someone’s gonna bust. There’s also likely two more draft+2 top pairing guys in this one, too. Besides Dahlin who’s of course considering can’t miss.

    Awesome, and terrifying.

  92. Snowman says:

    Oilman99: Why does everybody keep crying the Barzal Bues,the record tells us the Oilers weren’t going to take even if they had kept the pick.

    This argument while true is still kind of baffling I know others have mentioned this probably here and other places but the fact they weren’t going to take Barzal isn’t a justification for the trade. It shows they didn’t evaluate the talent properly (along with others) and also virtually every single player taken 16-31 in that draft has more value than Griffin Reinhart. So even if they weren’t going to take Barzal, anyone they were going to take is clearly worth more than GR.

    Every time I read this type of logic surrounding the Reinhart trade it sounds like this in my head “It wasn’t stupid to trade those picks because they weren’t smart enough to get the really good players available anyway so what difference does it make”.

    The guy the Oilers were going to take isn’t even one of the better non-barzal players that were avaialble. That whole trade…every single part of it is a huge cluster*$#$ of epic proportions. Every time you look at it and from every angle the Oilers look like they won a contest out of a cereal box to be “GM for a day” and didn’t actually have any idea what the hell was happening. They could’ve had Boeser or Chabot or Konecny or Connor or any of the other great players. They just straight up screwed that draft up which is impressive because they got Mcdavid.

  93. Wilde says:

    ***********wee ooo trade alert*****************

    Davidson to NYI for a 2019 third.

  94. JD_Wry says:

    HenryDrix: They should send him to Universal Studios for the day.

    https://tinyurl.com/y72xde7c

  95. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jack Michaels

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    @EdmontonJack
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    Oiler lineup at LA looks like this:

    Lucic-McDavid-Draisaitl
    Cammalleri-Strome-Slepyshev
    Caggiula-Khaira-Pakarinen
    Puljujarvi-Letestu-Kassian

    Nurse-Larsson
    Klefbom-Russell
    Sekera-Benning

  96. OriginalPouzar says:

    I wouldn’t mind Khaira and Letestu switching spots:

    3rd ilne – Jesse/Khaira/Kass
    4th line – Drake/Letestu/Pak

    I think they are auditioning Khaira for a true 4C roll right now.

    He very well could be 4C next year and these are the types of players he would be playing with.

  97. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oilers trade Davidson for a 2019 3rd round pick from NYI.

  98. Pretendergast says:

    Wilde,

    Poor guy, but hey at least he was free again.

  99. OriginalPouzar says:

    Interesting move in isolation as I would posit that Davidson is worth more to the team than a 3rd rounder next year.

    There may be more at play here – a subsequent move.

  100. OilClog says:

    wonder what part of trading Davidson is the getting players for next year aspect.

    Why trade a guy that’s very much needed? One that wanted to be a Oiler.

    Terrible

  101. OriginalPouzar says:

    At the same time, Davidson was #5 on the left side depth chart:

    Nurse
    Klef
    Sekera
    Russell
    Davidson

    He just happened to be up the depth chart due to Sekera’s injury and Russell playing the right side (which should NOT be the case next season).

  102. npanciroli says:

    Good return tbh. I don’t think he’s been the same since his injuries.

  103. Wilde says:

    They almost made it to three games in a row of playing Slepyshev at his career position.

  104. Pretendergast says:

    Daveys the guy you keep as depth for a cup run, good we got something for him, potential sweetener in another deal too.

    Edit: Why do we keep gong to the NYI well? Does noone respect Chia and Snow is the only one who will trade with him?

  105. Wilde says:

    I’d wager we aren’t going to actually make that pick in 2019.

  106. OriginalPouzar says:

    I’m thinking they might be using the pick in a subsequent trade.

    At the same time, looking to next year, with Davdison #5 on the left side depth chart (with Klef and Sekera healthy and Russell in the mix), where is Davidson to play? On the assumption that a RHD is acquired at some point, there is no room for Davidson).

    With that said, if there are no subsequent moves, I don’t see the point in the trade – will have to wait to see how this plays out over the next few days and/or around the draft.

    Chiarelli expressly mentioned turning picks in to players around the draft.

  107. HenryDrix says:

    Pretendergast:
    Daveys the guy you keep as depth for a cup run, good we got something for him, potential sweetener in another deal too.

    One less contract too.

  108. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Davidson is a decent player but too expensive for his role on the Oilers. And also not good right side.

  109. Scungilli Slushy says:

    OV2 ate Davie’s lunch.

  110. Andy Dufresne says:

    Lowetide,

    Who I would take at number 4 is completely dependent on who is availble to the Oilers in the trade market and to a lesser extent how Nurse and JP look by seasons end. Something like:

    If they are trading Nuge for Barrie then Im taking Zadina or Wahlstrom.

    If they are trading Klef for Barrie then Im taking Boquvist or Bouchard.

    If they are trading neither Klef or Nuge but adding a Zucarello by other means then I’m taking BPA.

    etc etc

    Ranking them is interesting and fun. But who they actuallly take is determined by a host of variables.
    Variables aside……I’m wearing Tambellinis lucky tie.

  111. Scungilli Slushy says:

    I wonder if there’s any sense of embarrassment trading a better player than Reinhart for a third after the garrotting Snow put on PC. Garth owed PC at least a couple of seconds for that one.

  112. meanashell11 says:

    chia converted a waiver pick up into a 3rd round pick. Given the log jam on the left side, I think he did well. Like Brandon but he is easily replaced in the line up.

  113. Andy Dufresne says:

    Wilde: I don’t know, with Zadina vs Hishchier it’s a similar player, first year QMJHLer with 1.47PPG and 1.50PPG respectively.

    Definitely close.

    Seems only fair that if Hall gets to play with Hishchier then Nuge should get to play with Zadina. So let it be written…So let it be done!

  114. JD_Wry says:

    I guess this is still fresh enough:

    http://lowetide.ca/2017/03/01/sail-on-regina-pat/

  115. Death By Misadventure says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    No he’s not. On the LHD depth chart he’s behind Klef, Nurse, Sekera, Russell, and maybe Auvitu. A 3rd rounder for your 5/6 LHD is solid return.

    Also subtracting from the leftorium and it not including Klef is a good thing.

  116. OriginalPouzar says:

    JimmyV1965: I could be wrong about this, but there seems to be a lot of variance in the draft rankings after 4OV, especially with the dmen. That’s why I would trade down.

    I agree with this premise.

    It seems that, after the top 3 picks, there is no consensus for the rest of the top 10.

    Unless the Oilers have a specific player for a hard target, if there isn’t much to choose between the next 2-5 picks (i.e. its really up in the air as to which pick is “best” and each option has a fit for the Oilers) maybe trading down a few spots does make sense.

    I don’t think I’d want to trade out of the top 10 unless the asset we are getting is material – how much of a lower tier are guys like Valeno, Merkley, etc. in?

    Maybe if a guy like Ty Smith looks to still be available in the 10-12 range, I’d be OK trading out of the top 10.

    Shit, I don’t know, I’m arguing against myself now.

  117. Death By Misadventure says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    At the same time, Davidson was #5 on the left side depth chart:

    Nurse
    Klef
    Sekera
    Russell
    Davidson

    He just happened to be up the depth chart due to Sekera’s injury and Russell playing the right side (which should NOT be the case next season).

    Agreed. Exactly the point I was making.

  118. OriginalPouzar says:

    Death By Misadventure:
    OriginalPouzar,

    No he’s not. On the LHD depth chart he’s behind Klef, Nurse, Sekera, Russell, and maybe Auvitu. A 3rd rounder for your 5/6 LHD is solid return.

    Also subtracting from the leftorium and it not including Klef is a good thing.

    Isn’t this exactly what I said?

    That he was very low on the left side depth chart and only in the lineup due to circumstance (Sekera injury and the hole on the right side)?

  119. Death By Misadventure says:

    npanciroli:
    Good return tbh. I don’t think he’s been the same since his injuries.

    +1 for Chia in the Trade Deadline Death Match.

    Lots to pan Chia for, this return is not one of them.

  120. Death By Misadventure says:

    Pretendergast: Edit: Why do we keep gong to the NYI well? Does noone respect Chia and Snow is the only one who will trade with him?

    I can only imagine the size of Snow’s smile when he sees Chia’s phone number pop up on his display.

  121. Wilde says:

    OriginalPouzar: I agree with this premise.

    It seems that, after the top 3 picks, there is no consensus for the rest of the top 10.

    Unless the Oilers have a specific player for a hard target, if there isn’t much to choose between the next 2-5 picks (i.e. its really up in the air as to which pick is “best” and each option has a fit for the Oilers) maybe trading down a few spots does make sense.

    I don’t think I’d want to trade out of the top 10 unless the asset we are getting is material – how much of a lower tier are guys like Valeno, Merkley, etc. in?

    Maybe if a guy like Ty Smith looks to still be available in the 10-12 range, I’d be OK trading out of the top 10.

    Shit, I don’t know, I’m arguing against myself now.

    I remember combing through past first round trade-downs and being impressed with the returns.

    Can’t remember specifics, think I’ll go in depth on it some other time.

  122. Andy Dufresne says:

    Oilman99: Why does everybody keep crying the Barzal Bues,the record tells us the Oilers weren’t going to take even if they had kept the pick.

    Its a strange phenomenon.

  123. JimmyV1965 says:

    Wilde: Take the 2015 Draft for example. There were two Draft+1 top pairing D men in that draft.

    But it went like this:

    Hanifin
    Provorov
    Werenski
    Zboril
    Chabot
    Juulsen
    Larsson
    Carlsson
    Roy
    Dermott
    Carlo
    Meloche
    Spencer
    Guhle
    Lauzon
    Andersson
    Dunn
    Siegenthaler
    Kylington

    Whereas a re-draft might go like this(I know it’s early):

    Provorov
    Werenski
    Hanifin
    Carlo
    Chabot
    Dermott
    Guhle
    Dunn

    etc etc.

    There’s a big crop of defensemen in this draft, and someone’s gonna bust. There’s also likely two more draft+1 top pairing guys in this one, too. Besides Dahlin who’s of course considering can’t miss.

    Awesome, and terrifying.

    That’s scary for sure. I wonder how much of it Is shit luck. Flip the coin and get the right guy. What I know about the draft couldn’t fill a thimble. How do you think this year’s crop of dmen stack up?

  124. OriginalPouzar says:

    No Maroon tonight – will likely play tomorrow night.

  125. JimmyV1965 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Oilers trade Davidson for a 2019 3rd round pick from NYI.

    Wow!! Great return. These trades are all over the map. The guy was on waivers three months ago.

  126. Death By Misadventure says:

    OriginalPouzar: Isn’t this exactly what I said?

    That he was very low on the left side depth chart and only in the lineup due to circumstance (Sekera injury and the hole on the right side)?

    Not at first. And see my comment directly above. We do indeed agree.

  127. Andy Dufresne says:

    OilClog:
    wonder what part of trading Davidson is the getting players for next year aspect.

    Why trade a guy that’s very much needed?One that wanted to be a Oiler.

    Terrible

    I liked Davy,

    That Chia…..turned a free waiver wire pickup into a 3rd round pick….What an IDIOT!!! Do the honourable thing …..resign you Dotard!

  128. OriginalPouzar says:

    Chia expressly talked about trading picks for players at the draft.

    A 3rd round pick is a decent bullet to add.

  129. Bobcaygeon says:

    Is there any other GM’s in the NHL that the Oilers can trade with?………asking for a friend….

  130. Glass says:

    Makes me think, I wonder if we can get something for Gryba? He’s a legit #7. We don’t ‘need’ him, we have Auvitu as our #7 and can call up Simpson/Lowe if someone gets injured.

    Aside from that, going along the theme of picking up prospects… I wonder if it would be possible to pick up Vesalainen or Kostin from St. Louis. Our blue chips are Puljujarvi and Yamamoto, both RH guys. Benson seems like more of a middle-6 F, complementary top 6 F at best.

    Would Maroon + 2019 3rd get it done? Assessing trade value isn’t my forte.

  131. Pescador says:

    Pouzar: I thought the new plan was to resign Maroon and Letestu because team speed?

    Also send away Slepyshev for well, anything was the latest evaluation that the Oilers brass had him at.
    Good riddance to fast feet & low cap hits, that’s what I say.
    Plus you’ve always hated him

  132. Pescador says:

    Bobcaygeon:
    Is there any other GM’s in the NHL that the Oilers can trade with?………asking for a friend….

    Probably,
    But when Snow takes your pants down
    It just feels So right

  133. Andy Dufresne says:

    Davidson for a 2019 3rd.

    A Tavares-less Islanders 2019 3rd is like a late second rounder.

  134. RonnieB says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    I saw a draft ranking recently, failed to bookmark it, and am scouring my brain in an effort to recall it…
    It had the 2018 Top 10 ranked in 4 tiers:
    Tier 1: Dahlin
    Tier 2: Svechnikov
    Tier 3: Zadina
    Tier 4: 4>10

  135. prefonmich says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    To be fair, this trade seems like decent value. Waiver wire pickup to 3rd round draft pick. The vitriol is in comparison to his many other incomprehensible moves. Reinhart is still not in the NHL on an expansion team vs Davidson playing in the NHL so we should have been able to garner at least a first rounder and a second rounder for the clearly better player, Davey. Makes sense in Chia’s world does it not?

  136. OriginalPouzar says:

    Glass:
    Makes me think, I wonder if we can get something for Gryba? He’s a legit #7. We don’t ‘need’ him, we have Auvitu as our #7 and can call up Simpson/Lowe if someone gets injured.

    Aside from that, going along the theme of picking up prospects… I wonder if it would be possible to pick up Vesalainen or Kostin from St. Louis. Our blue chips are Puljujarvi and Yamamoto, both RH guys. Benson seems like more of a middle-6 F, complementary top 6 F at best.

    Would Maroon + 2019 3rd get it done? Assessing trade value isn’t my forte.

    There has been some talk that Gryba could be moved but he’s signed for next year which makes it tougher.

    I don’t think Maroon gets us that level of prospect on his own but that is kind of the return I’m hoping for and you nailed exactly what I’ve been thinking – add to Maroon (3rd rounder, Jones, etc.) to get a more “blue chip” prospect – someone with a very decent chance of being ready to play in the middle-6 next season.

  137. JD_Wry says:

    So what are the Islanders doing here exactly? Chances of making the playoffs are slim, and I doubt that Davey can make any material difference in their league-worst GA number.

  138. OriginalPouzar says:

    RonnieB:
    OriginalPouzar,

    I saw a draft ranking recently, failed to bookmark it, and am scouring my brain in an effort to recall it…
    It had the 2018 Top 10 ranked in 4 tiers:
    Tier 1: Dahlin
    Tier 2: Svechnikov
    Tier 3: Zadina
    Tier 4: 4>10

    Ya, that’s kind of what I’m thinking/getting at – if the Oilers are drafting in the 5-6 range (likely), unless they have a hard target player, maybe it makes sense to try and move down a few spots – might be easier said than done unless the trade partner has a hard target.

    It seems like every player in the to 10 (shit, maybe the top 15) has a skill set and likely potential that the Oilers could use.

  139. Wilde says:

    JD_Wry:
    So what are the Islanders doing here exactly? Chances of making the playoffs are slim, and I doubt that Davey can make any material difference in their league-worst GA number.

    Snow is a bottom 5 GM in the league.

  140. OmJo says:

    It’ll be a sad day in hockey in Canada when Karlsson gets traded, IMO.

    Canadian teams have essentially gifted American teams some excellent players due to the most trivial and avoidable reasons.

    Why can’t we have good things? Subban, Hall and now Karlsson? Maybe throw Barzal into the mix. Go back to Smyth, Pronger (I know we traded for him first). Heatley? Luongo?

    And of course Roy, Gretzky.

    When’s the last time a Canadian team traded for a star player from an American franchise and won the trade?

  141. Wilde says:

    Ty Rattie’s called up, might be the signal Letestu’s gone.

  142. OriginalPouzar says:

    Rattie has recalled.

    I’m not sure why they did this today unless he’s going to play tonight (which I don’t think he is).

    Condors could sure use him for tonight’s game!

  143. OmJo says:

    Sail on Davidson. We’ll see you next year when you get waived again.

  144. JD_Wry says:

    Wilde: Snow is a bottom 5 GM in the league.

    Bottom 5?

    Bergevin.

    Whoever that Buffalo guy is.

    Dorion (Melnyk).

    Benning.

    Chia (OBC).

    Chayka.

  145. JD_Wry says:

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  146. Pretendergast says:

    This Chia keeps winning the small deals all damn day. It’s uncanny how good he is at tweaks but big moves he gets taken to the cleaners.

  147. OmJo says:

    Pescador: Probably,
    But when Snow takes your pants down
    It just feels So right

    Lmao

  148. JimmyV1965 says:

    Glass:
    Makes me think, I wonder if we can get something for Gryba? He’s a legit #7. We don’t ‘need’ him, we have Auvitu as our #7 and can call up Simpson/Lowe if someone gets injured.

    Aside from that, going along the theme of picking up prospects… I wonder if it would be possible to pick up Vesalainen or Kostin from St. Louis. Our blue chips are Puljujarvi and Yamamoto, both RH guys. Benson seems like more of a middle-6 F, complementary top 6 F at best.

    Would Maroon + 2019 3rd get it done? Assessing trade value isn’t my forte.

    I’ve been on the Blues prospect train for awhile now. An added wrinkle is the Blues don’t have an AHL team right now. They’re piggy backing on the Vegas farm team, but the team is coached and run by Vegas.

  149. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    OmJo,

    When’s the last time a Canadian team traded for a star player from an American franchise and won the trade?

    Lowe trading for Pronger

  150. OriginalPouzar says:

    OmJo:
    It’ll be a sad day in hockey in Canada when Karlsson gets traded, IMO.

    Canadian teams have essentially gifted American teams some excellent players due to the most trivial and avoidable reasons.

    Why can’t we have good things? Subban, Hall and now Karlsson? Maybe throw Barzal into the mix. Go back to Smyth, Pronger (I know we traded for him first). Heatley? Luongo?

    And of course Roy, Gretzky.

    When’s the last time a Canadian team traded for a star player from an American franchise and won the trade?

    Pronger
    Forsberg plus (Lindros was a huge price but the trade led to multiple cups)

  151. OmJo says:

    I don’t really see it as a tweak win. Davidson is a serviceable 3rd pairing defenceman. Proven he can play at the NHL level.

    That 3rd round pick next year could turn into a 3rd pairing defenceman. It could turn into a 1st pairing defenceman.

    I’m not saying it’s bad trade, but hardly a slam dunk either. Though I’m biased in my dislike for General Disappointment and my admiration for Brendan Davidson.

    Edit: brainfart. I meant win. At least not a clear win, yet. Drafting outside the 2nd round isn’t this teams skillset yet.

  152. Confused says:

    Sail on Davy, good return.

    Wonder if he will be back next year?

  153. Gayfish says:

    In the current scheme, Davidson didn’t fit, but he could easily be the 3LD on a good team. First casualty of the Russell contract. End of the day, it’s a free draft pick I guess.

    What is the deal with the NYI though? Will nobody else trade with us. Is Chia that lacking in self awareness? I do respect him for not developing PTSD though.

  154. Wilde says:

    JimmyV1965: I’ve been on the Blues prospect train for awhile now. An added wrinkle is the Blues don’t have an AHL team right now. They’re piggy backing on the Vegas farm team, but the team is coached and run by Vegas.

    It’s… the other way around, pretty sure…

  155. OmJo says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    OriginalPouzar,

    Yeah the Pronger trade was the only one I could think of off the top of my head, too.

    Interesting mentioning the Forsberg trade, OP.

    Funny enough, both the Oilers and Quebec Nordiques only got a year out of both of those players. Ofc the Nordiques were moved so it’s not the same as the Pronger drama. What a shame, too.

    It’s been a while.

    Let’s hope teams north of the border can start holding onto their star players for more than a few years before chasing them out of town…

  156. Wilde says:

    JD_Wry: Bottom 5?

    Bergevin.

    Whoever that Buffalo guy is.

    Dorion (Melnyk).

    Benning.

    Chia (OBC).

    Chayka.

    in no order

    Tallon
    Holland
    Bergevin
    Snow
    Chiarelli

    Buffalo’s guy is new, Dorion has the worst job in the NHL, Chayka’s mediocre and unlucky, Benning’s bottom half of mediocre, but has Ottawa-Lite ownership

  157. frjohnk says:

    I liked Davidson, but Chia turned a guy who was on waivers just a few months ago into a 3rd round pick.

    AND it was a trade with the Islanders and there was no sign of a woodshed.

    Nice.

    EDIT: If all our D are healthy, Davy is not an everyday player. This also lets the team take AV2 for more than a spin. Unless they end up trading him too.

  158. Bag of Pucks says:

    Snowman: This argument while true is still kind of baffling I know others have mentioned this probably here and other places but the fact they weren’t going to take Barzal isn’t a justification for the trade. It shows they didn’t evaluate the talent properly (along with others) and also virtually every single player taken 16-31 in that draft has more value than Griffin Reinhart. So even if they weren’t going to take Barzal, anyone they were going to take is clearly worth more than GR.

    Every time I read this type of logic surrounding the Reinhart trade it sounds like this in my head “It wasn’t stupid to trade those picks because they weren’t smart enough to get the really good players available anyway so what difference does it make”.

    The guy the Oilers were going to take isn’t even one of the better non-barzal players that were avaialble. That whole trade…every single part of it is a huge cluster*$#$ of epic proportions. Every time you look at it and from every angle the Oilers look like they won a contest out of a cereal box to be “GM for a day” and didn’t actually have any idea what the hell was happening. They could’ve had Boeser or Chabot or Konecny or Connor or any of the other great players. They just straight up screwed that draft up which is impressive because they got Mcdavid.

    The trade was weak but so is the vast majority of Monday morning quarterbacking that’s passed off as analysis.

    Saying Chia missed on Barzal AND Carlo as a result of the Reinhart is just cherry picking the draft with the full benefit of hindsight. Failing to mention the Talbot trade the same day also ignores the larger context imo.

    Most importantly, Katz and Nicholson have to own some of the accountability for that trade imo. Multiple sources reported that Chiarelli was given marching orders to fast track a defence fix at the draft, and the timing of Chiarelli’s hiring meant he arrived with no scouting staff or intel he could rely on. So they went with Bob Green’s recommendation cos Bob was a rising star with the OBC.

    There’s plenty of things for which Pete owns it (Hall trade, Lucic contract, Brossoit) but imo, a rational person doesn’t hang the Reinhart trade on him alone. What kind of organization brings in a new GM and then pressures him to make game changing deals before he even has time to assess his roster or scouting staff? That is so Oilers. And oh btw, one of those game changing trades (Talbot) worked out pretty well – a fact that gets continually ignored when the armchair GMs are claiming total incompetence on Pete’s record.

  159. JimmyV1965 says:

    Wilde: It’s… the other way around, pretty sure…

    The Wolves are definitely the Vegas farm team and head coach Rocky Thompson is their guy. Great selection by Vegas of course.

  160. slopitch says:

    I like Davey but I like the return given the LHD depth and oilers lack of prospects.

    Get a 3rd for Letestu, a 2nd + 4th for Maroon and reload.

    Letestu is a 5 on 5 sinkhole and our PK is junk. With some lucky development from JP and Yamo, some decent signings this summer and return to health from Sekera and Klefbom, a bounce back to last years form is very possible.

    Do it Chai. Fight for your job with some decent moves the next 48 hours.

  161. OmJo says:

    slopitch: Get a 3rd for Letestu

    slopitch: Letestu is a 5 on 5 sinkhole and our PK is junk.

    The only general manager who would trade a 3rd for Letestu is probably Chiarelli.

  162. Bag of Pucks says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    OmJo,

    When’s the last time a Canadian team traded for a star player from an American franchise and won the trade?

    Lowe trading for Pronger

    I’d go with Sens getting Turris for Rundblad and a 2nd or possibly even the Flames get on Hamilton as a more recent example. I think it’s fair to say that Chia fleeced ANA on the Maroon trade as well. I still like the Perron from St Loo trade if the Oil had only kept the damn player, speaking of bleeding value on the Ws.

  163. Wilde says:

    JimmyV1965: The Wolves are definitely the Vegas farm team and head coach Rocky Thompson is their guy. Great selection by Vegas of course.

    You’re right, I didn’t know that.

    It looks like the Blues actually elected not to renew their affiliation and that’s how Vegas got the Wolves from them.

    Weird. Wonder how often that happens.

  164. JD_Wry says:

    Wilde: Weird. Wonder how often that happens.

    Can’t be that often, but as we all know, it isn’t a good sign. We’ll see how soon the Blues correct this.

  165. OmJo says:

    Bag of Pucks: What kind of organization brings in a new GM and then pressures him to make game changing deals before he even has time to assess his roster or scouting staff? That is so Oilers. And oh btw, one of those game changing trades (Talbot) worked out pretty well – a fact that gets continually ignored when the armchair GMs are claiming total incompetence on Pete’s record.

    Ugh.

    First, is there any evidence besides “That is so Oilers” that Chiarelli was pressured to make the Reinhart trade? Is Chiarelli really not capable of making that trade himself?

    Second, you can’t have it both ways. You can’t give him the Talbot trade and then say he had nothing to do with the Reinhart trade. Likewise, you cannot do the opposite. Question is, who’s doing the opposite? Who’s purposefully leaving out the Talbot trade from his track record?

    The Talbot trade doesn’t outweigh the Reinhart trade.

  166. OmJo says:

    Well if the Oilers sign Hemsky for a 2-year contract we know who to blame.

  167. frjohnk says:

    Bag of Pucks: What kind of organization brings in a new GM and then pressures him to make game changing deals before he even has time to assess his roster or scouting staff?

    If at the time of his hiring, Chia did not know that there was pressure for the Oilers to get better “pretty darn quick” he was not paying attention and in over his head.

    Im pretty sure he knew he had to turn the team around quickly.

    Bag of Pucks: And oh btw, one of those game changing trades (Talbot) worked out pretty well – a fact that gets continually ignored when the armchair GMs are claiming total incompetence on Pete’s record.

    Actually there are a few who do not credit Chia but credit MacT for getting Talbot.

    There are some who think Talbot is not good

    And there are some who have given Chia credit for Talbot.

    Those are the facts on Talbot and Chia

  168. OmJo says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    Those aren’t on the same level as the Subban, Hall or upcoming Karlsson trade.

    Turris was still an unknown when he was traded to Ottawa. I think Maroon was greatly undervalued by Anaheim. In hindsight those were absolute steals, definitely.

    I’ll give you the Hamilton trade though. Looks like a great trade for the Flames.

  169. Pescador says:

    frjohnk:
    I liked Davidson, but Chia turned a guy who was on waivers just a few months ago into a 3rd round pick.

    AND it was a trade with the Islanders and there was no sign of a woodshed.

    Nice.

    EDIT: If all our D are healthy, Davy is not an everyday player.This also lets the team take AV2 for more than a spin.Unless they end up trading him too.

    I like watching AV2 but I’ve seen enough

  170. JimmyV1965 says:

    Wilde: You’re right, I didn’t know that.

    It looks like the Blues actually elected not to renew their affiliation and that’s how Vegas got the Wolves from them.

    Weird. Wonder how often that happens.

    I’m sure it has to be an issue for the Blues. I read an article a few months back on the lack of PP time Kostin is getting.

  171. Bag of Pucks says:

    OmJo:

    The Talbot trade doesn’t outweigh the Reinhart trade.

    It doesn’t have to. It simply lends further context and balances the perspective.

    This is the defining trait of armchair GMs imo. Every transaction can be parsed in isolation and held up as indictment of incompetence. It’s the equivalent of the portfolio manager taking bullets for an isolated transaction despite the overall portfolio performance indicating a more balanced pov. For instance, Chiarelli created asset value today turning a waiver pickup into a 3rd rounder, but this will largely be ignored by those mouth breathers asserting that he’s incapable of getting a single thing right,

  172. JD_Wry says:

    OmJo: Ugh.
    First, is there any evidence besides “That is so Oilers” that Chiarelli was pressured to make the Reinhart trade? Is Chiarelli really not capable of making that trade himself?

    Pressured, of course not. But you can’t ignore the straight lines between former Oil King stalwart and MacT/Green.

  173. Wilde says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    Why do people try so hard to dilute the other side’s argument?

    Who’s ignoring the Talbot deal? Who’s not talking about Bob Green’s involvement? Who excludes Katz and Nicholson in their criticism of management? There have been so, so many extensive looks at Chiarelli’s record and I don’t think I’ve read a single one that just ignored stuff like Maroon, Kassian, Talbot etc.

    The 2015 Draft all the way from Barzal’s pick to Carlo’s pick is pretty much wall-to-wall murderer’s row. You have to cherry pick to find a situation where the Oilers DON’T hit on those picks with at least one killer prospect.

    Not to mention that the Barzal thing is not at all hindsight, which has been mentioned and proven over and over and over again.

    Again though, it all just comes back to the fact that you don’t get anything done in a discussion if you just misrepresent and dilute people’s arguments until it’s so shitty it falls over with the breeze.

    You’re accusing people of neglecting the details, neglecting to look at a matter fairly and with completeness, then doing that exact thing.

  174. frjohnk says:

    Looking at the salary cap next year and Davy as a 7th Dman making $1.55M ( thats his QO for next year) is way too rich for the Oilers, as they will pressed up against the cap.

    We are very top heavy and will need to find cap efficiencies at the bottom of the roster.

    If the plan is to keep RNH, I wonder if they would at trading Strome and Kassian as well.

  175. Wilde says:

    JimmyV1965: I’m sure it has to be an issue for the Blues. I read an article a few months back on the lack of PP time Kostin is getting.

    Yep, right after they managed to pull him from Moscow Dynamo in his draft+1.

    How… unfortunate…

  176. €√¥£€^$ says:

    I sent this email on 11 Feb @ 2:01 pm. It is doubtful my intended audience read it, but I figured it was worth a shot. I wonder how many other similiar email were sent to Bob regarding his GM.

    *99’s email address bounced back, so he either doesnt have an Oilers email address or it is something like: “greatone@edmontonoilers.com” 😁

    If Bob reads his email, perhaps others here might want to follow suit…..

    ——– Original Message ——–
    Subject: Peter Chiarelli Is Destroying My Team
    From: xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxil.cxx
    To: bnicholson@edmontonoilers.com
    CC: wgretzky@edmontonoilers.com,dkatz@edmontonoilers.com

    Bob,

    I have bled blue and orange since 1979-80 and I have been an unwaivering supporter since day one of the franchise’s first day in the NHL. Since August 1988 being a fan of this team has caused more pain than pleasure to be honest. The only thing that has kept my faith has been hope, but it is rapidly turning into hopelessness to be honest.

    I have tried so hard in the face of the truth to be optimistic with the current manager and coach in place, but it is simply not working. It is clear that Peter has made very poor decisions by trading invaluable assets for pennies on the dollar and his track record of doing this has been obscured by his Stanley Cup win. He will only lead this team to less than success. This is very clear to the fanbase. I have been watching this scenario play out for over a decade now, and it is tearing my heart out. I am gutted much like I feel the team has been.

    I am fearing for the future of this franchise with Peter Chiarelli at the helm.

    I want to make a recommendation, which is outside of the box but I would hope you would seriously consider it. Allan Mitchell, aka Lowetide, has been intently following the NHL Draft since it’s inception. He has 40+ years of experience in doing so. He knows this team, most of the players, and many other teams in the league inside and out. He has parlayed his passion into a successful blog, then into a radio show and most recently as a very respected hockey voice with the Athletic. Even in the darkest days of this franchise his has been a measured voice of reason for over 15 years.

    You can scoff all you want about bloggers, but I would trust him manage my team. He has as much hockey knowledge, if not more, than any manager in the NHL.

    Finally, Todd Nelson and especially Ralph Krueger had some success coaching this team, but they were not given due consideration despite their successes. These are both good men who did a good job, but they were done wrong by this franchise. I am confident that I speak for the majority of fans when I say, please bring Todd Nelson back and please, for the love all that is decent, reach out to Mr. Krueger. I know this was before your tenure, but it was extremely unprofessional, unreasonable and unethical how he was fired. And it is a black mark on this franchise. He needs to be apologized to formally.

    Sincerely,

    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, CD

    Sent from my Huawei Mobile

  177. JD_Wry says:

    We can only hope that after Chia gets fired, he moves to a small village in Tasmania and begins writing a tell-all book. That’s a long way from Brazil, so I doubt that Katz’ thugs will find him there.

  178. Wilde says:

    frjohnk:
    Looking at the salary cap next year and Davy as a 7th Dman making $1.55M ( thats his QO for next year) is way too rich for the Oilers, as they will pressed up against the cap.

    We are very top heavy and will need to find cap efficiencies at the bottom of the roster.

    If the plan is to keep RNH, I wonder if they would at trading Strome and Kassian as well.

    Kassian should be traded no matter what, he’s an easy 2M to move at this time of year and we can’t give up that opportunity cost.

    Strome, I agree it’s a Nuge-or-him matter.

  179. JD_Wry says:

    €√¥£€^$,

    Proof positive that someone is buying Huawei phones!

    Good stuff though. Did you try GOAT@edmontonoilers.com for Wayne ?

  180. Gayfish says:

    Can’t give Chia credit for Talbot or Maroon. That’s just hindsight!

  181. OmJo says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    If people are pretending like Chiarelli has only made 3 trades in his time here (Reinhart, Hall, Eberle) then they should be ignored because they’re obviously trolling. It’s intellectually dishonest to do that.

    If people are putting emphasis on those 3 trades, which are substantially damaging trades for this organization, I don’t see that as the same thing as intentionally ignoring his other trades.

    And I’d argue the trades he’s made do have to outweigh his bad trades, because his bad trades – just trades, not signings – should be fire-able offenses. What will his defense be? Trades like the Talbot and Maroon trades.

  182. OmJo says:

    JD_Wry:
    €√¥£€^$,

    Proof positive that someone is buying Huawei phones!

    Good stuff though. Did you try GOAT@edmontonoilers.com for Wayne ?

    Fun fact: Huawei is the 3rd largest smartphone OEM in the world behind Samsung and Apple.

  183. OmJo says:

    Gayfish:
    Can’t give Chia credit for Talbot or Maroon. That’s just hindsight!

    Maroon, sure. But Talbot? He was excellent in NYR and would have been a starter had that team not had Lundqvist. Plus I’m sure he learned a thing or two from arguably the best goaltender in the NHL.

  184. OmJo says:

    frjohnk: Looking at the salary cap next year and Davy as a 7th Dman making $1.55M ( thats his QO for next year) is way too rich for the Oilers, as they will pressed up against the cap.

    This is a good point.

    Sad that our 3LD will be making $4M next year.

  185. OmJo says:

    €√¥£€^$,

    Can we start a Mitchell for GM petition?

  186. €√¥£€^$ says:

    JD_Wry,

    I bought it because I lke saying “waa wee” to folks that are not Chinese. Their expressions are amazing everytime. 😁

    GOAT is good, but I thought that was reserved for MA Bergeron (lower case of course)

  187. Bag of Pucks says:

    Wilde,

    There’s been a massive amount of bandwidth applied to post dissection of the Reinhart trade without contextual factors considered or mentioned. Claiming that everyone grants the considerations of that additional context ignores the massive evidence to the contrary. For many it’s as simple as Barzal>Reinhart which while undoubtedly true fails to acknowledge the hugely difficult situation Chiarelli was placed in, the mandate he was given, and the lack of trusted staff at his disposal.

    1) It’s the GMs job to make more positive moves than negative ones. The job expectation is not a 100% success rate. That is not logically feasible and orgs that foster that expectation create the motivation to avoid risk and maintain the status quo. Remember MacT had proven unable to take the risks to be a change agent within the org.

    2) If you do expect your GM to be mistake free, then you damn well should put him in a position to succeed. Parachuting him into a draft with an inept staff and an expectation to fix 10 years of managerial incompetence over the course of a weekend is not that. But it is classic OBC.

  188. smellyglove says:

    No one’s saying that Chia has not made good trades.

    He has made very adept trades, that resulted in peanuts for a top-10 goaler (one year only) and a top-6 LW’er. He turned a dime into a dollar.

    He also converted an elite LW, first line RW, and the assets for what looks to be a top-line/elite forward (a blind monkey could have made the pick for Barzal, #9 on McKenzie list, apparent pick to every amateur blogger from Edmonton to Estonia) for a 2nd-pairing Dman and a 3rd line centre. He traded a one-hundred dollar bill for a Safeway coupon for 50% off Triscuits.

    Edit: on balance, his good moves were good. His bad moves were catastrophic.

  189. Sighduck says:

    Flames with a great start against COL. Does a win here tempt BT to mortgage the rest of the future this deadline?

  190. Bag of Pucks says:

    Serious question, I wonder what the team would look like today if Chiarelli had traded Hall for Hamilton at that first draft and gone on to draft Barzal, Carlo or whomever else we could cherry pick now?

    Would that be a playoff team today?

  191. frjohnk says:

    Wilde: Kassian should be traded no matter what, he’s an easy 2M to move at this time of year and we can’t give up that opportunity cost.

    I like Kassian when he is on his game but he is very inconsistent.

    As a 4th liner his penalty differential hurts the team and he is paid too much.

    If the Oilers can get something decent for him , they should pull the trigger.
    A 4th line winger shouldnt be much more than $1M on the Oilers

  192. Georges says:

    Wilde,

    Helpful. Thank you!

  193. JD_Wry says:

    OmJo: in the world

    But their NA penetration is still lacking. Nothing like having 1.4B people in your own backyard though!

    I work with their telco products quite a bit, and I’ll just say that they leave me quite underwhelmed.

  194. €√¥£€^$ says:

    OmJo,

    It’s free at change.org

    I would suggest to win the uninformed over that LT do a series of videos (like they do for elections) on this site and on his twitter.

    I volunteer to be a cameraman (I just bought a GoPro and need to test it out). Now we need volunteers with script writing, video editing and sound editing skills…. any takers????

  195. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Rattie has recalled.

    I’m not sure why they did this today unless he’s going to play tonight (which I don’t think he is).

    Condors could sure use him for tonight’s game!

    The Condors are done. They need about 26 points in 19 games or about a .68 points percentage the rest of the way to be neck and neck with the team they have to pass. Only one team in the entire AHL has managed that points percentage so far. i.e. They have to play like the best team in the AHL the rest of the way to make the playoffs.

  196. Bag of Pucks says:

    smellyglove,

    What’s your problem with Triscuits? Best cracker ever.

  197. frjohnk says:

    Sighduck:
    Flames with a great start against COL. Does a win here tempt BT to mortgage the rest of the future this deadline?

    He might have to, if he doesnt and they miss the playoffs and the Isles win the lottery with that pick……I’ll laugh.

  198. JD_Wry says:

    €√¥£€^$: I bought it because I lke saying “waa wee” to folks that are not Chinese. Their expressions are amazing everytime. 😁

    My understanding is that it’s pronounced Wah Way. We have a saying in telecom: There’s the right way, and then there’s the Hua Wei.

  199. smellyglove says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    They’re spectacular, these Triscuits. I’m currently gnashing on the fig and honey version. But that’s bad value, a hundred bucks for half off a box.

  200. Gayfish says:

    OmJo: Maroon, sure. But Talbot? He was excellent in NYR and would have been a starter had that team not had Lundqvist. Plus I’m sure he learned a thing or two from arguably the best goaltender in the NHL.

    Simply meeting stupid with stupid. Point being that you can call anything hindsight. Talbot was still an unkbown at the time, despite being well regarded. He still kind of is, since he has been crap for 2 half-seasons since coming here. Guess that’s the uncertainty of goaltending though.

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