G62 2017-18: Oilers at Ducks

Last night the Oilers received some fine performances from role players, including Mike Cammalleri (three assists), Ryan Strome (1-1-2), Jujhar Khaira and Anton Slepyshev (one goal apiece). Not all went well, a late collapse damn near killed “An evening with Dr. Feelgood” and Jesse Puljujarvi didn’t play a bunch in the third period. Perhaps the biggest story came in net, where Cam Talbot posted yet another strong performance.

One tactical element. I think it’s fairly obvious a team down one goal with very little time on the clock is going to send a big skill player to the net immediately upon gaining possession inside the offensive zone. Might want to have someone waiting.

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CALIFORNIA SUN, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • February 2016: 3-9-0, goal differential -11 (6 points)
  • February 2017: 6-6-0, goal differential -2 (12 points)
  • February 2018: 4-7-1, goal differential -6 (9 points)
  • February 26, 2016: Anaheim 2, Edmonton 1 (Source)
  • February 2017 schedule completed

The Oilers are slowly gathering some steam, long after their own season has been lost. The Los Angeles Kings were bitterly disappointed by the result, time to do it again this evening across town.

AFTER 61, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers 15-16: 22-33-6, goal differential -45 (50 points)
  • Oilers 16-17: 33-20-8, goal differential +18 (74 points)
  • Oilers 17-18: 26-31-4, goal differential -29 (56 points)
  • February 25, 2016: Los Angeles 2, Edmonton 1 (Source)
  • February 24, 2017: Washington 2, Edmonton 1 (Source)

Finally some clearance from the 2015-16 team and we’ll see if this holds. Talbot isn’t getting a lot of ink but this is a nice stretch for him and the save percentage is correcting like a bugger now.

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM FEBRUARY

  • At home to: Colorado, Tampa Bay (Expected 0-1-1) (Actual 1-0-1)
  • On the road to: Los AngelesAnaheimSan Jose (Expected 1-1-1) (Actual 0-3-0)
  • At home to: Florida (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • On the road to: Vegas, Arizona, Colorado (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 1-2-0)
  • At home to: Boston, Colorado (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 1-1-0)
  • On the road to: Los Angeles, Anaheim, San Jose (Expected 0-2-1) (Actual 1-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 5-6-3, 13 points in 14 games
  • Current results: 4-7-1, nine points in 12 games 

After a ghastly start to the month, Edmonton is 3-3-0 in the last six games and can salvage something from February. Two difficult opponents before the end of the month, one more before the deadline.

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

  • Nurse-Larsson went 12-17 in 16:01, 1-1 GF, 3-3 HDSC. Larsson went 6-1, 1-0 GF in 2:24 with Oscar, more please! Nurse-Larsson spent 7:34 against Rieder-Kopitar-Brown, going 11-6, 2-0 GF. Well done! Larsson was punishing and a pure pain in the ass.
  • Sekera-Benning went 7-11 in 10:55, 0-1 GF and 0-4 HDSC. Sekera had one brilliant chance that was the highlight for the pairing. Went 6-6 against Kempe-Carter-Iafollo, 0-0 GF. Duo played against Kopitar line just 2:13 but it was enough to go 0-1 GF. Once completely healthy, Sekera is capable of helping this duo and it’s something to contemplate for next year.
  • Klefbom-Russell were 7-18 in 14:07 together, 0-1 GF and 1-5 HDSC. Klefbom went 9-11 in 9:25 against the Kopitar line, 1-0 GF when the two Swedes were on the ice. Russell looked hurt (hand) late in the game, we’ll see how things go today.
  • Cam Talbot stopped 30 of 33, .909. He made an enormous save five minutes into the third period.
  • NaturalStatTrick and NHL.com.

FORWARDS, LAST NIGHT

  • Caggiula-Khaira-Pakarinen went 7-3 in 4:55, 1-0 GF, 2-0 HDSC. Khaira, who is seeing less ice in recent days, scored what is becoming a familiar goal for him: Getting a clean look in the scoring zone, and then sending an underrated shot shelf. Caggiula didn’t have his man on the Rieder goal. Went 4-1 against Rieder-Kopitar-Brown.
  • Lucic-McDavid-Draisaitl were 14-19 in 16:25, 0-1 GF. Were 4-5 in HDSC’s, McDavid having three of them. Cammalleri joined 97-29 for 51 seconds and there was a goal. Milan Lucic is going to need to reinvent himself over the summer of he’s looking at five years of bottom 6F. McDavid was 10-16 against Doughty, that’s going to be a tough match until Doughty signs with Toronto, and 9-11, 1-0 against the Kopitar trio.
  • Cammalleri-Strome-Slepyshev went 8-12, 1-0, the line accounting for six points (!!!) while scoring early and late. Were 0-4 in HDSC, though. Went 5-9 against Kempe-Carter-Toffoli.
  • Puljujarvi-Letestu-Kassian went 9-17, 0-1 GF in 12 minutes. Jesse Puljujarvi didn’t play much in the third period (that I saw) and that’s a concern. Went 3-8 against the Carter line.

  • Yamamoto 2016-17: 65GP, 42-57-99 (1.52 points-per-game)
  • Yamamoto 2017-18: 32GP, 18-37-55 (1.72 points-per-game)
  • Yamamoto first 10 games: 1-8-9
  • Yamamoto second 10 games: 7-11-18
  • Yamamoto third 10 games: 8-14-22
  • Yamamoto last two games: 2-4-6

TY RATTIE

Oilers have recalled Rattie, we’ll see how much work he gets now through the end of the season. There are slumping wingers (Puljujarvi is 10gp, 0-0-0, Lucic is 10gp, 0-0-0) so there should be opportunities.

50-MAN

Delete Brandon Davidson from this list, we are now at 51, with four slide rules making it 47. Plenty of room for waiver pickups and trades.

 

 

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  1. hags9k says:

    The 2007-2018 Edmonton Oilers, with a lead.

    https://i.imgur.com/GOlKNDh.gif

  2. Craig The Keg says:

    Even if they win this in overtime, this is a loss in my books. Not sure what else to say about this team.

  3. Munny says:

    No call on Silferberg of course

  4. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Spooky Lynx:
    Hilarious.

    Bright side: keeps the Ducks closer to the Flames.

    ^ this.
    I’m happy. McDavid got a couple points. That’s all this team has going for it for the rest of the season.

  5. Hwahl says:

    Montoya is absolute dogshit

  6. Pretendergast says:

    This is embarrassing

    Edit: what an absolute joke, no penalty hahahahaha

  7. Munny says:

    Sekera is usually money in OT but that was bad

  8. Pouzar says:

    I hate Cammy/Strome in OT though…

  9. smellyglove says:

    How is Montoya an NHL goal-tender?

    He looks like he is high on drugs.

  10. BeerMe says:

    Sekera looks like 40% of his former self. Dude was skating hard but going nowhere on that play.

  11. Professor Q says:

    Craig The Keg:
    Even if they win this in overtime, this is a loss in my books. Not sure what else to say about this team.

    Just blame the refs and the Dirty Ducks.

  12. Munny says:

    Oh my Gord, that puck went in didn’t it?

  13. Pouzar says:

    No goal. No penalty.

  14. Pouzar says:

    How in gods name is that not a penalty?

  15. Munny says:

    And no call either. Jesus H

  16. Gerta Rauss says:

    big save by Miller on Mcd

  17. OriginalPouzar says:

    What a save by Miller.

    Now coach, call a TO so you can keep those two on the ice.

  18. Munny says:

    Good try by Sleppy, but no one can raise the puck tonight

  19. OriginalPouzar says:

    Another big save by Miller – on Slep this time.

  20. Todd Macallan says:

    Why is Randorf cheering so hard for the Ducks? Does he have money on them tonight?

  21. OriginalPouzar says:

    Hell of pass by Strome to Slep on that play.

  22. OriginalPouzar says:

    Another point blank save by Miller – on McDavid.

  23. Gerta Rauss says:

    Miller time again…

  24. Munny says:

    Todd Macallan:
    Why is Randorf cheering so hard for the Ducks? Does he have money on them tonight?

    His hate of the Oilers is real and palpable

  25. BeerMe says:

    back to back games, back to back chokes with 2 goal leads and 30 seconds left.

  26. OriginalPouzar says:

    What a fun and entertaining game to watch – too bad its go to go to a shootout.

  27. Professor Q says:

    BeerMe:
    back to back games, back to back chokes with 2 goal leads and 30 seconds left.

    Suspiciously so?

  28. Munny says:

    Bomb Minsk.

  29. Melvis says:

    “Looch, your turn.”

    “Mmmm, pancakes – wha?

  30. Pretendergast says:

    Drai in shootout still counts

  31. Munny says:

    Drai as cold as ice

  32. Gerta Rauss says:

    I like Drai in the shootout

  33. JimmyV1965 says:

    That missed call on the McDavid breakaway better be the last straw for Tmac. That was an absolute frickin joke. If Tmac does his his usual blah blah blah in the presser, frickin fire him tomorrow.

  34. Munny says:

    The Commander ends the nightmare on a good note

  35. Gerta Rauss says:

    hahahahahahaha….McD with the shootout winner

    eff you Doughty..!!

  36. jp says:

    Fuck those guys.

    It all means nothing, but so nice to beat the filthy Ducks.

  37. Bling says:

    McDavid. This guy is good at hockey.

  38. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Best result for Oil fans! Just like TMac drew it up. That is why he had Lucic out there in the last minute!

  39. Confused says:

    Thank f*ck, what a joke!

    Please leave Todd in California

  40. Pretendergast says:

    JimmyV1965:
    That missed call on the McDavid breakaway better be the last straw for Tmac. That was an absolute frickin joke. If Tmac does his his usual blah blah blah in the presser, frickin fire him tomorrow.

    seconded

  41. exoilinxs says:

    FU Getzlaf and FU NHL officiating. Pathetic.

  42. rickithebear says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    ok i take it back about Montoya

    False Eye Affect.
    Many Hockey fans have opinions changed by single events.
    Flip Flopping like BiPolar single moms.

    Base repeatable performance.

  43. OriginalPouzar says:

    Similar to last night, I thought most of the skaters had good to very good games. The only “bad” skaters, to my eye, were Drake and Lucic – exactly the same as last night.

  44. OmJo says:

    Professor Q:
    Wow. I get home from groceries.

    It’s 5-3.

    A few seconds later after taking a bite of my burger, and it’s 5-5?!

    What the hell happened?

    The Oilers happened.

  45. Pouzar says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Similar to last night, I thought most of the skaters had good to very good games.The only “bad” skaters, to my eye, were Drake and Lucic – exactly the same as last night.

    yup

  46. Munny says:

    Three in a row. Unfamiliar territory.

  47. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Similar to last night, I thought most of the skaters had good to very good games.The only “bad” skaters, to my eye, were Drake and Lucic – exactly the same as last night.

    I don’t know what the solution to the Lucic problem is. But playing him on the 1st line and key late minutes is definitely not it.

    This has gone from 1/4 of the season to 1/3. And it is terrible.

  48. Bling says:

    Pouzar: yup

    I like it when Pouzar and OriginalPouzar agree.

  49. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:
  50. Pouzar says:

    Paul Almeida@AzorcanGlobal
    52s52 seconds ago

    The #Oilers won and the #Ducks gained a point on the #Flames so we can laugh about it now.

  51. OmJo says:

    I said when we got Montoya, it doesn’t matter who the backup is, if you play them once every 20 games they’re going to struggle in the few games they do play.

    If they played Brossoit regularly – for a backup – he would have likely built on his play from last season where he was a pretty good goaltender. But nah. Instead we wasted a 4/5th pick on a goaltender we don’t really need. We have a plethora of goaltenders in the system, it’s maybe our second strongest position in terms of depth (behind LHD).

    Edit: I don’t mean literally once every 20 games.

  52. Gerta Rauss says:

    Munny:
    Three in a row. Unfamiliar territory.

    After leaving a big turd in California a couple weeks ago it would be so Oiler like to run the tables this trip

  53. prefonmich says:

    Harpers Hair,

    For now.

  54. Pouzar says:

    Bling: I like it when Pouzar and OriginalPouzar agree.

    I’m still Mom’s favorite.

  55. Zelepukin says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): I don’t know what the solution to the Lucic problem is. But playing him on the 1st line and key late minutes is definitely not it.

    I don’t know, can he get good at the hockey in the off-season? He is near Ference level of boat-anchoring. Useful no where except community programs.

  56. Klima's_Bucket says:

    For those waiting for Todd to pipe up about the officiating.
    Don’t hold your breath.

    He’s holding out hope that after getting canned someone will take a chance on him next year.
    Nobody will want to hire a guy that is on the bad side of the officials.

    See – Wideman, Dennis.

  57. Munny says:

    McDeity moves into a tie with Giroux for 3rd on the points table.

  58. Boil-in-the-Oil says:

    Bling:
    No reason for Lucic to be on the ice in critical situations IMO.

    Pretty sure that was a tank-move. Only reason I can think of.

  59. Andy Dufresne says:

    rickithebear: False Eye Affect.
    Many Hockey fans have opinions changed by single events.
    Flip Flopping like BiPolar single moms.

    Base repeatable performance.

    No Humour Effect.

    It was a joke you smelly carnivore!

    Ive been meaning to ask you…are you Bi-Polar…

    Edit: you know….summers at the north pole winters in the south

    Just kidding you Ricki…Love your posts and you can Dis me anytime. Its an honour to be bullied by the bear!

  60. OriginalPouzar says:

    BeerMe:
    back to back games, back to back chokes with 2 goal leads and 30 seconds left.

    back to back wins on the road against teams fighting for their playoff lives.

  61. prefonmich says:

    Boil-in-the-Oil,

    On the other hand nice to see Sleppy in the OT for the first time. He acquitted himself well.

  62. OmJo says:

    I said from day one the Lucic contract was going to be a disaster for this team. I can pull up the posts from the OMB to prove it.

    He wasn’t needed. Maroon brings almost the same things Lucic brings on the ice for less than 1/2 the cost, minus a Stanley Cup ring. So what now? We lose Maroon and have to pay our 3LW $6M next season?

    If he wasn’t producing, that’s one thing. But he’s not even playing very good away from the puck in the few games I’ve seen him play. Somebody here suggested not playing him every game next season. I think that’s an excellent idea to get the most out him. He was doing better in the first half of the season. Maybe he’s fatigued? What else could it be?

    Like the dinosaurs, Lucic had his moment where he was a dominant force on the ice and just his presence alone probably scared the shit out of a lot of players. But, also like the dinosaurs, the environment is changing and he can’t avoid the inevitable extinction.

  63. Wilde says:

    After observing those 6v5 goals off the OZL, please take a moment to scroll up and notice this excerpt

    “One tactical element. I think it’s fairly obvious a team down one goal with very little time on the clock is going to send a big skill player to the net immediately upon gaining possession inside the offensive zone. Might want to have someone waiting.”

    Thank you for your time, and God bless.

    Goodnight fellow Oilers fans.

  64. Munny says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): That is why he had Lucic out there in the last minute!

    I’m guessing TMac was remembering what got Strome off the schneid. But it still isn’t a good idea.

  65. Professor Q says:

    I wonder if McDavid will get a Player of the Week (er…Star of the Week? Should be 1st Star) this week?

    I’ve noticed that NHL.com hasn’t really been giving him them, even when he’s on tears.

    Boeser and Hischier and Barzal seem to take a lot of them, however.

  66. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Lucic now at 5 v5 this year
    6G 6 primary assists
    Still on 18 takeaways, up to 52 giveaways before tonight, and that number is going up.

    Since Christmas 0g 4a in 26 games.
    13 ish point pace in 1/3 of a season. 14 penalties taken, 12 are minors, only 2 fighting majors for his enforcer role.

    Six million dollars. Five more years.

    I really really really hope this is just the biggest slump, ever.

  67. Pouzar says:

    OmJo,

    How about your Head Coach that keeps throwing him out on Line 1, PP1, and out trying to protect one goal leads with 15 seconds left?

    TMc is the bigger disaster here.

  68. JD_Wry says:

    Andy Dufresne: carnivore!

    Omnivore. Bears are smelly omnivores.

  69. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Munny: I’m guessing TMac was remembering what got Strome off the schneid. But it still isn’t a good idea.

    Yup. See how many guys were cheating or trying to pass it out of the zone to try for the empty net? No one making the safe clearance play. Awful.

  70. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Munny:
    McDeity moves into a tie with Giroux for 3rd on the points table.

    Frickin’ Kuch is still 8 points up…
    Tampa getting a steal of a deal for him right now… wonder how much he’ll get for his next contract…

    Also, how in the hell is Gaudreau still hangin around the big boys in points!? Kinda makes my blood boil a bit seeing a fLames player that high up in the points rankings… especially with that sweetheart deal of a cap hit those guys got him for…

    Grrr…

  71. Gayfish says:

    I didn’t realize just how mediocre Nash has been the last 3 years. How the hell does NYR get so much for him?

  72. Pouzar says:

    Edmonton Oilers
    @EdmontonOilers

    Coach McLellan says the #Oilers need “a little more poise” after back-to-back nights of 3rd period drama ultimately resulting in victories. “Those are learning moments for our team.”

    You are a gem TMc.

    *Lucic in picture*

  73. Professor Q says:

    JD_Wry: Omnivore. Bears are smelly omnivores.

    Say, so, too, are we Homo sapiens sapiens…

  74. Pouzar says:

    Gayfish:
    I didn’t realize just how mediocre Nash has been the last 3 years. How the hell does NYR get so much for him?

    Don’t forget they took Belesky as well.

  75. Wilde says:

    Crazy Pedestrian,

    It’s okay, we’ll get Yamamoto signed for 2M less than he’s worth too once he starts putting up 25G seasons, just like Marshessault and Gaudreau’s deals.

  76. prefonmich says:

    Pouzar,

    Maybe you should put some players out who have that poise coach. Hint Lucic and Nurse not so much.

  77. Professor Q says:

    Gayfish:
    I didn’t realize just how mediocre Nash has been the last 3 years. How the hell does NYR get so much for him?

    The prestige of a former #1 overall pick, Gold Medalist, etc.

  78. Wilde says:

    Gayfish:
    I didn’t realize just how mediocre Nash has been the last 3 years. How the hell does NYR get so much for him?

    The fucking MSM jobbed the trade market for him for like, months.

    Wish we got that treatment for our guys going out, instead of Spec and Staples shitting all over them and tanking their value

  79. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Gayfish:
    I didn’t realize just how mediocre Nash has been the last 3 years. How the hell does NYR get so much for him?

    Pedigree, track record, etc. He also doesn’t have a lot of help. He is overrated around the League overall but he is underrated defensively.

    I don’t see it being that big a return. A late first and Spooner, really. But YMMV.

  80. Boil-in-the-Oil says:

    prefonmich:
    Boil-in-the-Oil,

    On the other hand nice to see Sleppy in the OT for the first time. He acquitted himself well.

    I’m a big Sleppy fan. He should have been a regular in this lineup a long time ago. Young players need time to find their way, and Sleppy has decided his time has arrived. He is proving his value, loves to have the puck on his stick…and he’s a shooter. So yah, he is a keeper. Period.

  81. Munny says:

    Gayfish:
    I didn’t realize just how mediocre Nash has been the last 3 years. How the hell does NYR get so much for him?

    Cachet. See Lucic, Milan.

  82. GMB3 says:

    Good for Sleppy getting enough trust to play in OT.

  83. Andy Dufresne says:

    JD_Wry: Omnivore. Bears are smelly omnivores.

    lol……i get it …..

    BUT i would add…stay far away from the NWT or anywhere you see a white bear.

  84. JimmyV1965 says:

    Lucic 20 min tonight. JP 7. It’s not like you’re doing him any favours by playing him so much when he is clearly fighting his confidence.

  85. Munny says:

    Lucic’s slump is scary as hell, but it should be easier to solve bottom of the roster problems than jumbo contracts…

    What I’m saying is that if Caggiula is still on the roster next TC I’m losin’ my shit.

  86. Professor Q says:

    Andy Dufresne: lol……i get it …..

    BUT i would add…stay far away from the NWT or anywhere you see a white bear.

    What about the Spirit Bears in B. C.?

  87. JimmyV1965 says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    For those waiting for Todd to pipe up about the officiating.
    Don’t hold your breath.

    He’s holding out hope that after getting canned someone will take a chance on him next year.
    Nobody will want to hire a guy that is on the bad side of the officials.

    See – Wideman, Dennis.

    Seems to me what he’s doing right now is not working.

  88. Pouzar says:

    Even Rob Brown questioning Lucic out for tying goal. Good for him. Says he is making same defensive mistakes as he was earlier in the year.

  89. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    prefonmich:
    Pouzar,

    Maybe you should put some players out who have that poise coach. Hint Lucic and Nurse not so much.

    Kinda weird how nurse hasn’t looked like the dominant force he was a few weeks ago.
    Might be a blessing in disguise. Pull his next contract price tag down a bit.

    Have been hoping he’d sign for $4-4.5M x 8.

    Still gotta find a way to get Russell and Sekera traded though… that’s a hell of a lot of cash for your LDs… (I don’t consider Russell a RD even if that’s where he’s played basically the entirety of his Oiler career)

  90. Andy Dufresne says:

    Pouzar:
    Edmonton Oilers
    @EdmontonOilers

    Coach McLellan says the #Oilers need “a little more poise” after back-to-back nights of 3rd period drama ultimately resulting in victories. “Those are learning moments for our team.”

    You are a gem TMc.

    *Lucic in picture*

    I like the “those are learning moments for our team” …uhhhhhh…..no words….

    as for poise…..Im picturing Lucic in a too-too and pointe shoes….Oilers colours of course …..no effeminite pink or anything like that………

  91. Pretendergast says:

    Why, as soon as we have a few for the first time in a decade (varying results), are some insisting trading all of our defensemen.

    Why can’t we have nice things

  92. Bling says:

    McLellan is bananas for playing Lucic that much.

    It is clear that he can’t keep up. You don’t have to bury the guy, but put him on the third line where he belongs and take him off the PP. He should be playing 12-14 minutes a night, not 16-20.

    He was just watching on the game tying goal.

  93. Andy Dufresne says:

    Professor Q: What about the Spirit Bears in B. C.?

    Depends if the Salmon are running or not……Even a Spirit gets touchy on an empty stomach…

  94. Munny says:

    Let’s not forget no Maroon tonight, coach doesn’t know Rattie well enough to trust him, and Kass got hurt… Lucic was going to get minutes tonight.

  95. Munny says:

    Munny,

    And thus exposes his limitations.

  96. OmJo says:

    Pretendergast:
    Why, as soon as we have a few for the first time in a decade (varying results), are some insisting trading all of our defensemen.

    Why can’t we have nice things

    Because we live in a salary cap world and $4M is too much for a 3LD or subpar 2RD.

  97. Gayfish says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): Pedigree, track record, etc. He also doesn’t have a lot of help. He is overrated around the League overall but he is underrated defensively.

    I don’t see it being that big a return. A late first and Spooner, really.But YMMV.

    The point separation between Spooner and Nash is pretty small, and Spooner has played 2/3 the games. Also a center and younger. I don’t understand hockey trades at all.

  98. prefonmich says:

    Munny,

    Maybe he doesn’t know Rattie enough to trust him but he SHOULD know Lucic enough to NOT trust him. This coach seems to have blinders on for certain players and allows them to make mistake after mistake with no repercussions while others have to earn their ice time and trust. The accountability factor is a massive issue when it is this inconsistent.

  99. Munny says:

    My heart goes out to Jordan Staal.

  100. Munny says:

    prefonmich,

    Well, he’s a big body on a battle face off, is actually relatively decent in his own end on the whole, has the experience not to be overwhelmed by the situation, and the coach recently got another player off the schneid by giving him an empty net. I can understand it in this context, doesn’t make the coach an idiot IMO (they rarely are actual idiots), like many will say.

    But I also hope that his value to the GM dropped accordingly.

  101. Munny says:

    OmJo: Because we live in a salary cap world and $4M is too much for a 3LD or subpar 2RD.

    Anaheim is paying theirs over 8. Pitt is paying Kessel 6.8 after retained. And in this New Unicorn era, it might be possible…Lucic is nowhere near Kessel’s talent however and Perry has game-breaking ability no matter how mediocre his play gets.

  102. Bling says:

    Munny

    Think there’s a disconnect between Todd and Chia?

    Chia just said that it will be important to get the young players more TOI.

    20 minutes for Lucic, 7 for JP.

    Wow.

  103. Pouzar says:

    Munny:
    Lucic’s slump is scary as hell, but it should be easier to solve bottom of the roster problems than jumbo contracts…

    What I’m saying is that if Caggiula is still on the roster next TC I’m losin’ my shit.

    *slow clap*

  104. Munny says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    Lucic now at 5 v5 this year
    6G 6 primary assists
    Still on 18 takeaways, up to 52 giveaways before tonight, and that number is going up.

    Since Christmas 0g 4a in 26 games.
    13 ish point pace in 1/3 of a season. 14 penalties taken, 12 are minors, only 2 fighting majors for his enforcer role.

    Six million dollars. Five more years.

    I really really really hope this is just the biggest slump, ever.

    So… would you trade him for Perry straight across? Damn contracts. I wonder if we could do better with salary retained to a Lucic-approved location.

  105. Spooky Lynx says:

    Bling:
    Munny

    Think there’s a disconnect between Todd and Chia?

    Chia just said that it will be important to get the young players more TOI.

    20 minutes for Lucic, 7 for JP.

    Wow.

    Bless this mess.

  106. digger50 says:

    Gayfish: The point separation between Spooner and Nash is pretty small, and Spooner has played 2/3 the games. Also a center and younger. I don’t understand hockey trades at all.

    I was wondering about Spooner as well. Rangers want him as part of thier rebuild, or would they rather turn him into draft picks? W

  107. Munny says:

    Bling:
    Munny

    Think there’s a disconnect between Todd and Chia?

    Chia just said that it will be important to get the young players more TOI.

    20 minutes for Lucic, 7 for JP.

    Wow.

    Possibly, but it’s not really something that should be judged on one game. Pujo needs to play more than that though, even with the other winger out. That said, he hasn’t seemed the same recently and I don’t think it’s linemates or TOI driving it.

  108. Georges says:

    Ryan: Neither bud.

    Chiarelli could have traded him directly to Columbus for their fourth round pick. This is neither fiction nor mythology.

    From a philosophical perspective, I would rather mine the draft for top six forwards or top four dmen rather than trade for other teams suspects.

    For that matter, I would rather use my own 4rth round pick than trade for an aged career backup too.

    When are opinions not allowed here?

    Yeah and your odds of flopping a set are 1/8, so I am guessing you never play those pocket fours In Texas hold’em?

    While the odds of finding a top four d or top six forward, may only be 4-5%, the implied odds make it worthwhile.

    Tell Calgary they were stupid to draft TJ Brodie and Johnny Gaudreau instead of using those picks to trade for other teams suspects.

    What are the odds a winger who can’t establish himself as a regular NHLer by his draft plus six season develops into a top six winger? Georges?

    1. What are the odds of finding a top 6 F in the 4th or later round?

    – there have been 1220 forwards drafted from 2000 to 2015
    – I’m excluding the two most recent drafts because those cohorts will not have arrived in the NHL yet

    – 374 (31%) have played a game in the NHL
    – 240 (20%) have played at least 30 games

    – 106 (9%) have scored at an NHL regular pace (0.3 P/GP or better)
    – 37 (3%) have scored at a top 6 pace (0.45 P/GP or better)
    – 4 have scored at a “star” pace (0.75 P/GP or better: Gaudreau, Benn, Stone, Pavelski)

    2. What are the odds a winger who can’t establish himself as a regular NHLer by his draft plus six season develops into a top six winger?

    – from my earlier post, 8 out of 111 forwards (7%) drafted in the second round or later who had played a comparable number of games in their draft+6 as Aberg have gone on to score at a top 6 pace (I’ve excluded Grimaldi because of not enough games, hence 8 total instead of 9)

    – and 32 out of 111 (29%) have gone on to score at a bottom 6 or better pace (0.3 P/GP)

    So I’d say the odds favor Aberg over a 4th round pick both as a potential top 6 (long shot) and a potential bottom 6 (less of a long shot and 3 times more likely to get there from where Aberg’s at than a straight 4th round pick… who may arrive at that point 4 or 5 years from now)

  109. Andy Dufresne says:

    Bling:
    Munny

    Think there’s a disconnect between Todd and Chia?

    Chia just said that it will be important to get the young players more TOI.

    20 minutes for Lucic, 7 for JP.

    Wow.

    the coach has only a few levers he can use to motivate the types of behaviors he needs to see, Ice Time, PP time, Linemates. Players like JP have to exhibit the right behavior or they dont get rewarded. They have to earn there time on ice……I think thats a good thing. We shouldnt conflate the Lucic problem with JP not getrtng the correct amont of ice time IMO

  110. Georges says:

    Georges,

    The odds of finding a very good (Pavelski type) player are about 1 in 305 in the 4th round or later. Those late rounds would produce one of these guys about once every 5 years.

    Note I didn’t look at defensemen picks in the later rounds. Or whether defensemen can establish themselves as regulars or top 4 post draft+6. Maybe down the road.

  111. godot10 says:

    Re: Kovalchuk.

    1) is he willing to sign a one year deal for next year? If No, there is nothing to be done. If Yes, then…
    2) Is $7 million enough? Bear with me. If No, there is nothing to be done. If yes, then…
    3) Make a deal with New Jersey for his rights immediately.
    4) Sign him immediately to a two-year deal for $8 million in total. Give him a $3.5 million dollar signing bonus, plus prorate the rest of the season, about $1 million more this year. With $3.5 million due next year ($2.5 million sign bonus, $1 million dollar salary). This nets him about $8 million for 100 games. AAV $4 million per season.
    5) This plan use this years available cap space to reduce the AAV for signing Kovalchuk.
    6) One might find figures that work over three years also.

    The key is being able to make a deal with New Jersey, who loses his rights for nothing on June 30th. Would New Jersey do a deal?

  112. Munny says:

    Georges,

    I love it when Math backs up intuition/commonsense like this.

  113. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    godot10:
    Re: Kovalchuk.

    1) is he willing to sign a one year deal for next year?If No, there is nothing to be done.If Yes, then…
    2) Is $7 million enough?Bear with me. If No, there is nothing to be done. If yes, then…
    3) Make a deal with New Jersey for his rights immediately.
    4) Sign him immediately to a two-year deal for $8 million in total.Give him a $3.5 million dollar signing bonus, plus prorate the rest of the season, about $1 million more this year.With $3.5 million due next year ($2.5 million sign bonus, $1 million dollar salary).This nets him about $8 million for 100 games.AAV $4 million per season.
    5) This plan use this years available cap space to reduce the AAV for signing Kovalchuk.
    6) One might find figures that work over three years also.

    The key is being able to make a deal with New Jersey, who loses his rights for nothing on June 30th.Would New Jersey do a deal?

    Clever idea. Send it to Chia!

  114. Munny says:

    As much as the idea makes sense from our end, Kovy will be looking for Stanley.

  115. OmJo says:

    godot10,

    Interesting proposal.

    What do the Devils have to lose by trading his rights? The odds of him signing with NJD are slim. Maybe they think a playoff run will perk his interest?

    They owe us, to say the least.

  116. godot10 says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): Clever idea. Send it to Chia!

    It is the Oilers’ problem if they don’t read Lowetide! -).

  117. Munny says:

    godot10,

    You would want to talk to Kovy before making any deal. Don’t see why the Devs wouldn’t give it, but you would need their okay first. Might not be enough time to make it all happen at this point.. and assuming Kovy bites. He’s made enough dough I think he waits it out.

    He’s probably going to get a one year Show-Me contract wherever he goes, but it will be somewhere strong like Pitt, Caps etc. VGK also has an obscene amount of cap space to deploy if they so desired.

  118. Bank Shot says:

    Andy Dufresne: the coach has only a few levers he can use to motivate the types of behaviors he needs to see, Ice Time, PP time, Linemates. Players like JP have to exhibit the right behavior or they dont get rewarded. They have to earn there time on ice……I think thats a good thing.We shouldnt conflate the Lucic problem with JP not getrtng the correct amont of ice time IMO

    This all day. Lucic is what he is. Cammalleri is what he is.

    JP is mold-able.

    OIlers have been throwing prospects into the deep end of the pool for years and years with limited success. Schultz. Gagner. On and on it goes.

    I would rather watch JP receive the carrot and the stick treatment to mold him into a responsible two way player, rather than just feed him tonnes of ice time regardless of his performance.

    I know we all want to see JP produce, and for sure he would produce more playing with better players, but I want to see him learn to play the game the right way, and also produce.

    I believe he’ll be worth more to the team in the long run if he forces his way onto a top line, rather than is gifted the ice time. If he can’t manage to force his way into the top six, is he really going to be worth a top six contract?

    Can’t afford to pay passengers in the cap world.

  119. Ryan says:

    Georges:
    Georges,

    Here are the active forwards in the comparison set who’ve scored at a top 6 pace in the seasons following their draft+6. they’re sorted in order of games played following draft+6.

    Player, draft+6 P/GP, post draft+6 P/GP

    Frans Nielsen, .16, .58
    Ryan Clowe, .47, .66
    Alex Killorn, .50, .51
    Gustav Nyquist, .63, .58
    Micheal Ferland, .24, .45
    Bryan Rust, .24, .52
    Evgenii Dadonov, .36, .70
    Rocco Grimaldi, .23, .50

    Rocco has played just 6 games following his draft+6. He’s not on the Avalanche roster according to hockeydb.

    So the active comparables to Aberg in terms of draft+6 scoring and who have scored at a top 6 pace following draft+6 would be Ferland, Rust, and Nielsen.

    Nice list.

    What’s interesting about this list is that none of these players were traded by the team that drafted them until long after they established themselves as a legit NHL’er except Grimaldi (who has a 37 game long NHL career by age 25).

  120. Ryan says:

    Georges: 1. What are the odds of finding a top 6 F in the 4th or later round?

    – there have been 1220 forwards drafted from 2000 to 2015
    – I’m excluding the two most recent drafts because those cohorts will not have arrived in the NHL yet

    – 374 (31%) have played a game in the NHL
    – 240 (20%) have played at least 30 games

    – 106 (9%) have scored at an NHL regular pace (0.3 P/GP or better)
    – 37 (3%) have scored at a top 6 pace (0.45 P/GP or better)
    – 4 have scored at a “star” pace (0.75 P/GP or better: Gaudreau, Benn, Stone, Pavelski)

    2. What are the odds a winger who can’t establish himself as a regular NHLer by his draft plus six season develops into a top six winger?

    – from my earlier post, 8 out of 111 forwards (7%) drafted in the second round or later who had played a comparable number of games in their draft+6 as Aberg have gone on to score at a top 6 pace (I’ve excluded Grimaldi because of not enough games, hence 8 total instead of 9)

    – and 32 out of 111 (29%) have gone on to score at a bottom 6 or better pace (0.3 P/GP)

    So I’d say the odds favor Aberg over a 4th round pick both as a potential top 6 (long shot) and a potential bottom 6 (less of a long shot and 3 times more likely to get there from where Aberg’s at than a straight 4th round pick… who may arrive at that point 4 or 5 years from now)

    0 out the 8 players in our Aberg cohort who went on to score at a top six pace were traded by the team that drafted them until after they achieved this feat.

    If our Aberg does it, he’ll be the first.

    Given our record in that 2012 draft, I am not sure that I am liking our chances.

  121. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Bank Shot,

    Lucic the highest paid passenger at the moment. But I agree that the solution is not to gift JP Lucic’s minutes either. It should be spread out in life after Maroon. Get Lucic on the 3rd line at 14 minutes. Spread the remaining 6 evenly with the 3 other guys until one grabs the chance and runs with it, and that includes Lucic if he runs with it and gets better.

  122. JimmyV1965 says:

    Georges: 1. What are the odds of finding a top 6 F in the 4th or later round?

    – there have been 1220 forwards drafted from 2000 to 2015
    – I’m excluding the two most recent drafts because those cohorts will not have arrived in the NHL yet

    – 374 (31%) have played a game in the NHL
    – 240 (20%) have played at least 30 games

    – 106 (9%) have scored at an NHL regular pace (0.3 P/GP or better)
    – 37 (3%) have scored at a top 6 pace (0.45 P/GP or better)
    – 4 have scored at a “star” pace (0.75 P/GP or better: Gaudreau, Benn, Stone, Pavelski)

    2. What are the odds a winger who can’t establish himself as a regular NHLer by his draft plus six season develops into a top six winger?

    – from my earlier post, 8 out of 111 forwards (7%) drafted in the second round or later who had played a comparable number of games in their draft+6 as Aberg have gone on to score at a top 6 pace (I’ve excluded Grimaldi because of not enough games, hence 8 total instead of 9)

    – and 32 out of 111 (29%) have gone on to score at a bottom 6 or better pace (0.3 P/GP)

    So I’d say the odds favor Aberg over a 4th round pick both as a potential top 6 (long shot) and a potential bottom 6 (less of a long shot and 3 times more likely to get there from where Aberg’s at than a straight 4th round pick… who may arrive at that point 4 or 5 years from now)

    Excellent post!!! I would really like to know what the benchmark should be for drafting top 6 forwards or top 4 dmen from the second to seventh round. I was thinking a team should be able to draft and develop a top 6 forward or top 4 dman outside the first round every two years. That would be five every 10 years out of 60 picks. Is that even a reasonable number? And I wonder if the good teams are tracking this and setting internal benchmarks?

  123. Confused says:

    Bank Shot,

    I assume this makes Lucic cargo? Or…..

  124. Georges says:

    Ryan: 0 out the 8 players in our Aberg cohort who went on to score at a top six pace were traded by the team that drafted them until after they achieved this feat.

    If our Aberg does it, he’ll be the first.

    Given our record in that 2012 draft, I am not sure that I am liking our chances.

    Aberg is lucky in that he’s been traded to a team that has CMD, Drai, and RNH at C and is auditioning wingers as it runs out the clock. Unlucky in that the HC prefers Drai and CMD together and RNH is hurt.

    Top 6 is a long shot regardless. If he gets a chance, based on the HC’s M.O., he has to play mistake free, his line has to score, and we have to win the game. Otherwise, the HC rolls his not so lucky dice. To keep everyone accountable.

    I wish Aberg luck (the good kind) and I hope he makes some of his own.

  125. OmJo says:

    Munny: Anaheim is paying theirs over 8. Pitt is paying Kessel 6.8 after retained.And in this New Unicorn era, it might be possible…Lucic is nowhere near Kessel’s talent however and Perry has game-breaking ability no matter how mediocre his play gets.

    Kessel is playing 3LW, but is not a 3LW. He has over twice as many points as Lucic in one extra game. He almost has more goals than Lucic has points.

    Lucic is a 3LW playing 1LW, whereas Kessel is a 1LW playing 3LW.

  126. Pescador says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    I like Drai in the shootout

    Georges: Aberg is lucky in that he’s been traded to a team that has CMD, Drai, and RNH at C and is auditioning wingers as it runs out the clock. Unlucky in that the HC prefers Drai and CMD together and RNH is hurt.

    Top 6 is a long shot regardless. If he gets a chance, based on the HC’s M.O., he has to play mistake free, his line has to score, and we have to win the game. Otherwise, the HC rolls his not so lucky dice. To keep everyone accountable.

    I wish Aberg luck (the good kind) and I hope he makes some of his own.

    Even if Aberg ends up being a bottom six winger that scores a few points and improves overall team speed, this trade will be a win.
    Low cap hit tboot,
    Since we a talking odds, I would say they are high

  127. Georges says:

    JimmyV1965: Excellent post!!! I would really like to know what the benchmark should be for drafting top 6 forwards or top 4 dmen from the second to seventh round. I was thinking a team should be able to draft and develop a top 6 forward or top 4 dman outside the first round every two years. That would be five every 10 years out of 60 picks. Is that even a reasonable number? And I wonder if the good teams are tracking this and setting internal benchmarks?

    1. What is the benchmark for drafting top 6 F outside of 1st round?

    – 1836 forwards have been drafted in the 2nd round or later from 2000 to 2015
    – 689 (38%) have played a game in the NHL
    – 460 (25%) have played 30 or more games
    – 212 (12%) have scored at an NHL regular pace (0.3 P/GP or above)
    – 90 (5%) have scored at a top 6 pace (0.45 P/GP or above)
    – 9 have scored at a star pace (Gaudreau, Kucherov, Benn, Stone, Stastny, Pavelski, Bergeron, Krejci, Marchand – I included Marchand; he was just below the threshold of 0.75 P/GP)

    There are around 100 forwards taken in the 2nd round or later each year. So, by the 5% number from above, there would be about 5 top 6 players available each year.

    If we assumed the odds for each team were equal, then we’re looking at about a 1 in 6 chance of drafting a top 6F outside of the 1st round. This means each team would find one top 6F every 6 years (assuming independence, which we maybe shouldn’t assume because the data shows that some teams may be better at drafting than others).

    I looked at the data for 16 drafts in this analysis. EDM should have been able to find around 3 top 6F over that time. The only one I could find that came close, however, was Stoll, originally drafted by CGY in 2000 and then by us in 2002. He was just shy of 0.45 for his career.

    Now this was done pretty quickly. The number of rounds changed from 9 to 7 in 2005. I checked the numbers when I excluded the 9 round seasons. They weren’t that different. Another thing: I’m using career numbers instead of peak numbers for scoring. More players than what I’m listing should be able to hit top 6F scoring levels at their peak even if they aren’t able to sustain it over their career. Probably other things that I can’t think of right now.

    But, hopefully, this should give you at least a rough idea…

  128. JimmyV1965 says:

    My frustration with Tmac reached a boiling point tonight. I’m flabbergasted he chose not to comment yet again on the non call for McDavid on the breakaway in OT. These non calls keep happening and the coach is watching on the sidelines as it unfolds.

    I’m sure Tmac and Chia are having conversations behind the scenes to refs and NHL operations, but clearly that is not working.

    I’m not sure how he expects it to change. Does he think the players should do it? Should McDavid be bitching about the refs after these incidents? The coach is the leader out there and it’s his responsibility to address the issue.

    If Tmac showed some passion in his post-game pressers and complained about these non calls it would become an issue. Sportsnet and TSN would lead their broadcasts with his comments and then show the ridiculous non call.

    But Tmac chose to remain silent yet again. And guess what, Sportsnet and TSN didn’t even show the clip on their highlights. Until the coach says something publically this will not become a conversation. McDavid will continue to be hacked, slashed and tackled and nothing will happen. Until someone embarrasses the refs and league over this issue, they will continue to ignore it.

  129. Georges says:

    Nice that ANA scores two goals in the last 20 seconds or whatever and CMD was laughing at Kesler in OT and then scored the winner in the shootout. Oh look, ANA is going to break our hearts again. Yawn. Flush. Good for him… and Drai… and the young guys… even Montoya. The team should make sure CMD wins the scoring race (despite the suck-suckiest PP in the league). That’d be all right.

  130. JimmyV1965 says:

    Georges: 1. What is the benchmark for drafting top 6 F outside of 1st round?

    – 1836 forwards have been drafted in the 2nd round or later from 2000 to 2015
    – 689 (38%) have played a game in the NHL
    – 460 (25%) have played 30 or more games
    – 212 (12%) have scored at an NHL regular pace (0.3 P/GP or above)
    – 90 (5%) have scored at a top 6 pace (0.45 P/GP or above)
    – 9 have scored at a star pace (Gaudreau, Kucherov, Benn, Stone, Stastny, Pavelski, Bergeron, Krejci, Marchand – I included Marchand; he was just below the threshold of 0.75 P/GP)

    There are around 100 forwards taken in the 2nd round or later each year. So, by the 5% number from above, there would be about 5 top 6 players available each year.

    If we assumed the odds for each team were equal, then we’re looking at about a 1 in 6 chance of drafting a top 6F outside of the 1st round. This means each team would find one top 6F every 6 years (assuming independence, which we maybe shouldn’t assume because the data shows that some teams may be better at drafting than others).

    I looked at the data for 16 drafts in this analysis. EDM should have been able to find around 3 top 6F over that time. The only one I could find that came close, however, was Stoll, originally drafted by CGY in 2000 and then by us in 2002. He was just shy of 0.45 for his career.

    Now this was done pretty quickly. The number of rounds changed from 9 to 7 in 2005. I checked the numbers when I excluded the 9 round seasons. They weren’t that different. Another thing:I’m using career numbers instead of peak numbers for scoring. More players than what I’m listing should be able to hit top 6F scoring levels at their peak even if they aren’t able to sustain it over their career. Probably other things that I can’t think of right now.

    But, hopefully, this should give you at least a rough idea…

    Excellent stuff Georges!!! I’m sure the smart teams are doing this type of tracking and setting standards for themselves. The Oilers. Not so much.

    I’m not asking you to do this, but the results for dmen would be interesting. Anecdotally, it seems like a fair number of the top dmen in the league are drafted after the first round. Just off the top of my head, I can think of Weber, Subban, Gio, Josi, Parakyo.

    Thanks again Georges. I really enjoyed this.

  131. OriginalPouzar says:

    Pretendergast:
    Why, as soon as we have a few for the first time in a decade (varying results), are some insisting trading all of our defensemen.

    Why can’t we have nice things

    We need a nice thing on the right side of our defence as we have Larsson and then Benning.

    On the left side, we are going to have four d-men making over $4M. Yes, Russell has been playing the right side alot over the last two years but I think we can all agree that is far from ideal as he’s materially better on his natural left side and it would benefit the team to have a true 1st or 2nd pairing right shot D.

  132. Professor Q says:

    During the Knights game on Friday, an Ottawa player took out a Knights player behind the net, and they started wrestling down on the ice. If you’ve ever seen snakes mating, it looked like that, but on ice.

    The ref was literally a foot away, but was staring at the corner as there were two other players getting rough with each other (though the other ref was right there, so I have no idea why he had to be so enthralled when the more dangerous infraction was occurring right next to him).

    He only noticed when a stick from one of the wrestling players caught him and he took a tumble, only to get up and only see a Knights player on all fours above the Ottawa player (he had finally broken free from the Ottawa player and was trying to separate himself).

    I totally thought he was raising his whistle to call the Knights player out for a penalty, but he then hesitated and skated to the corner.

    Ottawa was getting away with a lot of post-breakway and net shot infractions, with their defensemen and goalie tripping, hacking, slashing, and elbowing the failed rushers. No calls except on maybe 2 of the 5 that occurred.

    Sorry for the extended story. But it was just an observation I made, that maybe it is an issue with officials on all levels of hockey, and not just the NHL. Although clearly the major league has issues going further up.

  133. Pouzar says:

    Chances of a trade other than Maroon?

    5%?

  134. 99thoilerfan says:

    Pouzar:
    Chances of a trade other than Maroon?

    5%?

    “As far as hockey deals, we’re looking at a couple. I don’t know where they sit right now. There’s some kind of larger action going on right now, and we’re not in it.” – Peter Chiarelli

    Less than 5% ?

  135. Dicky94 says:

    Pouzar,

    I think there will be one surprise trade and they keep Cammalleri.

  136. ArmchairGM says:

    If Chiarelli calls a press conference today, what are the odds it’s to announce that they’ve signed Maroon to an extension? >50%?

  137. Pouzar says:

    99thoilerfan,

    Dicky94,

    I think Maroon is moved and that’s it.

  138. Professor Q says:

    Columbus seems to be packing on the grinders (F & D) and 4th liners at the deadline. Little moves that might help them in a bigger way than big splashes might help other teams?

  139. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Georges,

    – There was a good clip this morning on the FAN with Eliotte Friedman. He was saying at the MIT stats conference a few weeks ago for Hockey, they were talking about how the NHL is in the stone ages when it comes to evaluating and assigning “equity” to draft picks.

    – Contrast this to baseball, where there is now an accepted crib sheet if you well that everyone plus or minus agrees to .

    – Big opportunities in Draft and prospect evaluation: the next big thing for hockey.

    – Made me think of VOR and what he has alluded to working on as well

    – I bet Georges many teams don’t even have this excellent rudimentary crib sheet you came up with to evaluate what a 4rth round draft pick outcome is likely to be, etc.

  140. russ99 says:

    UFAs and RFAs should be moved. I’d love to see Benning moved out, Caggiula too.

    Looks like Strome and Slepy are possibilities for next year with their recent good play.

  141. Georges says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    Georges,

    – I bet Georges many teams don’t even have this excellent rudimentary crib sheet you came up with to evaluate what a 4rth round draft pick outcome is likely to be, etc.

    I’d say I’d be surprised but, given some teams’ inability to draft and develop NHL players, maybe not so surprised. There are a lot of questions you can ask of this data. Jimmy mentioned doing the same thing for defensemen. I’ll keep digging. Why have the Oilers been so poor in this area? I think there’s about a 5% chance of going 16 years without finding a top 6F in the 2nd round or later. Given 30 teams, that means 1 or 2 could end up doing that just by chance. We’re one of the two. Weird.

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