Echoes down the canyon

I used to go to Northlands to see the most ridiculous hockey. Glenn Anderson did the unlikely at breakneck speed while Wayne Gretzky did the impossible. Connor McDavid does both. We are not worthy. His goal involved catching a pass at a speed of over 100 mph, a change in gear that was incredible, his penalty shot was filthy and his shootout move stopped time itself. I have no words. Again.

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KASHMIR, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • March 2016: 3-1-0, goal differential +3 (6 points)
  • March 2017: 2-1-1, goal differential +1 (5 points)
  • March 2018: 2-2-0, goal differential -2 (4 points)

Last night’s win was somewhat similar to last year in that the Oilers relied on Connor McDavid’s offense and Cam Talbot’s goaltending to get two points. It was a bullet to the heart of the Islanders, whose coach was barely audible post-game.

AFTER 67, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers 15-16: 25-35-7, goal differential -43 (57 points)
  • Oilers 16-17: 36-22-9, goal differential +21 (81 points)
  • Oilers 17-18: 29-34-4, goal differential -34 (62 points)

Edmonton has a five-point edge over the 2015-16 team, that’s progress. It’s been a weird year, we’re still waiting for a winning streak and now it really doesn’t matter but you’d like to see some sustain. Everyone is playing (if not completely healthy) so maybe we see it. From this point to the end of the season, the 15-16 team would add 13 points, the 16-17 team 22.

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM MARCH

  • At home to: Nashville, NY Rangers, Arizona, NY Islanders, Minnesota (Expected 2-3-0) (Actual 2-2-0)
  • On the road to: Calgary (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: San Jose (Expected 0-0-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Florida, Tampa Bay, Carolina, Ottawa (Expected 1-2-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Los Angeles, Anaheim, Columbus (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Vancouver, Calgary (Expected 1-0-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 6-7-3, 15 points in 16 games
  • Current results: 2-2-0, 4 points in four games

The Oilers play Minnesota Saturday and then a big game on the road in Calgary (the Oilers may lose it but my guess is they play well against the Flames). There are 12 more games this month, could they win six more? I have them winning four more games.

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

  • Nurse-Larsson were 30-21 in 19:58, 8-4 in HDSC. Spent 12:16 (15-15) against Bailey-Tavares-Lee, that’s the tough nut and they fought the group to a standstill. That’s a win.
  • Klefbom-Bear went 18-15 in 16:22, shocking to me both men played in overtime. No shock to see Klefbom there, but Bear? Wow. The youngster did have his best game, collecting his first NHL point, but that’s some big time trust. Went 4-10 against Beauvillier-Barzal-Eberle, who were buzzsaws on the highest, bent but did not break.
  • Sekera-Russell were 13-11 in 14:31, the veterans getting third pairing minutes. Were 7-3 against Ladd-Nelson-Fritz but also 0-1, Sekera isn’t close to being Sekera yet.
  • It’s fascinating to see Ethan Bear’s usage in the recent games. At some point he’ll be heading to the farm, right? Yet, he was the de facto No. 4 defenseman in 5×5 usage and he played in overtime. I had him at No. 38 in 2015, making me the biggest Bear fan available. Even I’m surprised he’s here and playing this well. Good sign. Oilers need to be patient.
  • Cam Talbot stopped 30 of 31, .968. His save on Jordan Eberle in overtime was a fabulous moment for the Oilers.
  • NaturalStatTrick and NHL.com.

FORWARDS, LAST NIGHT

  • Pakarinen-Khaira-Kassian went 9-4 in 10:07, 4-2 in HDSC. Khaira is increasingly becoming a story for this organization, transports the puck well, plays a rugged game and is scoring at a level that suggests he could be 3C at some point. The crowd’s reaction to his dismantling of Cal Clutterbuck was impressive. Kassian didn’t get credit but he was the man driving to the net on McDavid’s regulation goal.
  • Slepyshev-Strome-Puljujarvi were 15-10 in 10:39, impressive line that had some fine chances. Strome played very well against his old team, leading some rushes and delivering cherry passes to linemates. He is showing great patience and confidence with the puck. Puljujarvi ripped a shot in the second that hit Gibson’s glove then mask and I swear it was a goal before it hit the mask. So close. The big man ripped a couple of shots in good spots that missed the range, needs to work on his accuracy. Slepyshev was noted for two HDSC by NHT but I didn’t see him good, but rather, quiet.
  • Lucic-McDavid-Draisaitl went 20-20, 0-1 GF and the line was eventually abandoned. I liked the fact the trio checked well (a bunch of turnovers, 5-4 HDSC) and if one of the monster chances had cashed maybe they would have been kept together. McDavid went 5-5 in 4:01 with Nuge, some of that including Caggiula (6-3 in 2:55) in what might be a preview of things to come. He actually scored his goal with Zack Kassian and Caggiula, but a glance at NTS proves McLellan basically ran 97 with everyone in the third period (he rarely left the ice after the 10-minute mark of the third period). I watched him closely during this period to see if McDavid was doing the Phil Esposito (lagging on back checks to conserve energy) but the opposite appeared true: He was grabbing the puck as soon as possible and pushing the pace at suicide speed. I honestly sat in awe of his performance in the third period, it is something I’ll remember a long time. Perhaps not as long as Doug Weight, but a long time. On the GA, Lucic failed to make a simple play and that’s all she wrote. Went 17-14 head-to-head against Tavares, neither line scored in that situation.
  • Lucic-Draisaitl-Caggiula were on the ice for a brief time (2-2 in 1:06), banished from the McDavid Speedway for a brief period. I thought LD was a step slow earlier in the game, he has developed a bad habit of turning the puck over just inside his own zone. Still a great player but needs to bring it more consistently.
  • Caggiula-Nuge-Aberg went 11-10 in 12:04 (Caggiula) and 5-10 in 9:10 (Aberg). The line was porridge frankly, and I found myself wishing RNH would be moved onto a line with more bite. He eventually found his way to 97’s wing and, although not much happened, we may see it again. Nuge was assigned the ‘demon seed’ line of Beauvillier-Barzal-Eberle and went 8-12 in 10:28, 0-3 HDSC. I thought he did well, would have liked more substantial linemates in that situation.

KAILER YAMAMOTO

  • Yamamoto 2016-17: 65GP, 42-57-99 (1.52 points-per-game)
  • Yamamoto 2017-18: 37GP, 21-40-61 (1.65 points-per-game)
  • Yamamoto first 10 games: 1-8-9
  • Yamamoto second 10 games: 7-11-18
  • Yamamoto third 10 games: 8-14-22
  • Current seven games: 5-7-12

One thing I’d like to see is Yamamoto spend some time in Bakersfield after his WHL career ends this spring. Condors are not assured of the playoffs but it would give us more information about a player who is very likely to be in Edmonton this fall (at the start of the regular season).

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

It’s a fun Friday with all of the usual suspects! At 10 this morning, TSN1260, scheduled to appear:

  • Paul Sir, The Basketball Show. Raptors fire, March madness coming into view just ahead of Selection Sunday.
  • Steve Lansky, BigMouthSports. Oscars, Oilers, ultimate Stanley Cup Final.
  • Matt Iwanyk, TSN1260. I plan on discussing basketball’s March Madness but knowing Iwanyk we’ll end up yelling over daylight savings time.
  • Paul Almeida, SSE. We will discuss the fact Connor McDavid is the best available entertainment in the wide wide world of sports.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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174 Responses to "Echoes down the canyon"

  1. Ben says:

    More Khaira – McD – Nuge please.

    Strome is an ok 3C. Might even be worth his QO, there.

    Bear’s raw, but watching anyone on our PP bothering to “change the angle” before moving the puck is nice.

  2. Rondo says:

    Lucic looks like an AHL player.

  3. J-Bo says:

    Last night was the worst I have seen Lucic. He should be banished from playing with Mcdavid forever – including power play. They should maybe try him with Strome and JP for awhile to see if that could work for next year?

  4. Old Timer says:

    You correctly identified JP’s shooting accuracy as suspect.

    It is worth noting that, while Nurse is getting a number of shots on net, he is taking wide open shots. He needs to wait for some traffic or congestion around the net. As it is the opposing goalie will stop his “plums” all day long. Play just a little smarter Darnell.

    Khaira and McDavid both had excellent games last night.

  5. Lowetide says:

    Old Timer:
    You correctly identified JP’s shooting accuracy as suspect.

    It is worth noting that, while Nurse is getting a number of shots on net, he is taking wide open shots. He needs to wait for some traffic or congestion around the net. As it is the opposing goalie will stop his “plums” all day long. Play just a little smarter Darnell.

    Khaira and McDavid both had excellent games last night.

    RE: Nurse. True, although even with open looks Gibson had a tough time on a couple of them. Nurse has a heavy shot.

  6. J-Bo says:

    Sekera/Russell as third pair next season sounds good. They absolutely cannot trade Klefbom though. For me, the only way to improve the defense is to package up Nuge and Benning for a Faulk and cheaper winger with upside. I hate to lose Nuge but I would hate to lose Klefbom more. Bad spot these Oilers are in, bad, bad spot.

  7. Andy Dufresne says:

    LT,

    Chia has some history of moving roster players in conjunction with signing a free agent.

    Do you not consider RHD John Carlson a hard target?

    Pay Carlson in free agency and move Kelfbom for example.

  8. Andy Dufresne says:

    2018-2019

    Nuge McDavid Draisaitl

    Lucic Eric Staal (3.5) JP

    Sleppy Khaira Yamamoto

    Aberg xxxxx Kassian

    Nurse John Carlson (6.5 x 6)
    Sekera Larson
    Russell Dumba ( 3m bridge)

    Talbot Raanta (2.5 x 3)

    The 4 new guys cost $15m
    Out of LT Chart is
    Faulk 4.8 Patches 4.5 Strome 3 = 12.2 add in LTs 3.5 min cap space (80m cap) Got about a million to spare ( that combined with LTIR could save us from any bonus overages)

    This is moving Klef and Strome to Minny for Staal and Dumba.
    Minny tight to cap so it might have to be Klef alone (or Klef and a PIck) to Minny SO move Strome elswhere for a pick and give Minny the pick if you have to.

    Carlson is UFA
    Raanta is UFA

    Montoyas out so 1m goes toward a 4th line center. AND we complete the NYR goaltending backup trilogy Talbot Montoya Raanta

    Nuge Draisaitl and Staal are all interchangable in this chart

    Why would Minny do this?…because they value Klefbom like the posters on this site do and because Staal is an aging asset.

    Nuge McDavid Draisaitl ……..Best line in the NHL BAR NONE
    Now thats a cluster I can get behind.

    Give Carlson whatever you have to 7×7? Hes been at 3.9m for the last 6 years.

    Eric Staal under contract for 2 more years carries you until our young prospects are ready for full time top 6 / top line action

    Edit: Wilde pointed out that Dumba is RFA so you have to bridge him till one of Russell or Sekera is gone.

  9. MattyIce says:

    Lucic must be going through something externally from hockey thats taking his mind off any passion for the game.

    Hickey rocked him and Lucic crashed the net after when Hickey was guarding the rebound, Lucic looked like a tranquilized Kodiak bear with zero aggression. Scary stuff that we have him for such a term. Not to mention his blind passes up ice were on display last night and his bizarre flicks on the boards to attempt to get the puck out of the zone etc.. blah blah not the first Lucic rant.

    Positive note! Bear and Nurse looked fantastic and I believe Caleb Jones will be a nice 200 foot player as well! Khaira could be a fan fav in Etown for years to come, damn can he fight!

  10. J-Bo says:

    I just don’t see them having the patience to wait another year to develop wingers and defensemen and to wait out contracts. If they did though, the next season would give some breathing room as Sekera and Russell become tradeable. If they keep Nuge and Klefbom and wait, they would have the cap room to use high picks and maybe the right prospect to upgrade the defense/wings. I just can’t see the patience from here though…

  11. jake70 says:

    J-Bo:
    Last night was the worst I have seen Lucic. He should be banished from playing with Mcdavid forever – including power play. They should maybe try him with Strome and JP for awhile to see if that could work for next year?

    Playing Lucic with 97 – If it’s to “get him (#27) going”, then this is unfair to McDavid, who, while out of playoffs, is still in in a race for Art Ross Trophy 2nd year in a row. Cmon TMac…brutal.

  12. meanashell11 says:

    JJ pounding on Cluster$uck was worth the price of admission last night. That’s sticking up for your teammate and line mate. Lucic, I hope you were watching.

  13. Ben says:

    Maybe Looch has some Claude Lemieux in him. Season’s gone, so don’t ask me to care.

  14. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Bear made a few 40ft passes on the tape in traffic that maybe Klef or a healthy Sekera could make, but that’s it.

    Really impressed last night.

    Also,

    Connor Freaking McDavid.

    There are no words.

    EDM GF% McDavid on ice 56.9%
    EDM GF% McDavid off ice 42.1%

    That “off %” should be a crime punishable by public flogging in the stocks let alone firing.

  15. texmex says:

    jake70,

    I think McDavid is actually getting pissed off with Lucic. He looked him off several times last night where he tried to do it himself rather than pass to Lucic b/c he knew Lucic who just cough the puck up.

    Good idea TMac, let’s piss Connor off.

  16. jake70 says:

    I am thrilled McDavid is scoring more, must be a mindset shift. It was getting frustrating watching him pass while being in the best shooting area of anyone in the O-zone on a given play. I hope it continues, he’s becoming a game-breaker – double threat pass and shoot.

  17. Andy Dufresne says:

    Rondo:
    Lucic looks like an AHL player.

    That is in part because they are playing him too high in the linup. Hes more effective as a 2nd or 3rd liner…with the right linemates…….on Tuesdays……

  18. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    Staal has been MIN’s MVP, is signed for 3.5 next year and they’re going to trade him?

    Raanta is going to leave a starters job in ARI for a backup job?

  19. Jethro Tull says:

    McDavid blew the zone twice last night leaving no defensive coverage. I suppose the McDavid apologists will find convenient excuses like ‘he was taking a penalty shot’ or ‘it was in the shoot out, moron’, but I see it as proof that he still has a lot to learn and must try harder, seemed like he was lazy in both.

    Also, TMac should have bludgeoned a referee to death, anything less is a firable offense.

    If this team had any balls, they’d trade McDavid for future considerations.

    Boy, that Hall trade, huh?

    Boy, that Eberle trade, huh?

    Boy, that Reinhardt trade, huh?

    The above is my take on yesterday’s thread during the day. Feel free to return fire!

  20. JimmyV1965 says:

    Thought Strome looked good last night, other than a couple brain farts. Sure miss OP around here.

  21. Dicky94 says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    Would love to get Carlson but I think the Caps will definitely sign him up long term. They would be stupid to let him go. Here’s hoping they don’t though.

  22. JustWatt says:

    I’ve been pondering how much better this team will be next season just based on better health and returning to the meat. It seems like it should be substantial.

    Should be better next year than this: Klefbom, Lucic, Sekera, Drai, Slepy, Larsson, Talbot, PJ; PP, PK

    It’s shocking just how much of this list is really the heart of the order for this team. Finding out Klef has been playing hurt the entire year absolutely means he should not be traded. Lucic gets a ton of vinegar here but I’d be dollars to donuts he’s had a long term injury. He doesn’t have to get back to $6 million good, just better. Drai has been great this year but he definitely had a moment when it seems like all the cobwebs from his early concussion were finally gone. Larsson has played hurt some and had personal tragedy. Talbot was overworked last year and should be better. No way we have this level of special teams next season. Slepy might not get his chance to regress. Shame.

    This is a team set to bounce back strongly. Some fresh coaching, no bleeding of talent in the offseason, and progression by the youngsters should make this team a low seed playoff team.

  23. Andy Dufresne says:

    jake70: Playing Lucic with 97 – If it’s to “get him (#27) going”, then this is unfair to McDavid, who, while out of playoffs, is still in in a race for Art Ross Trophy 2nd year in a row. Cmon TMac…brutal.

    It is kinda brutal…..but to be fair its not a coaches job to be concerned with Art Ross trophies.

  24. Jethro Tull says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Bear made a few 40ft passes on the tape in traffic that maybe Klef or a healthy Sekera could make, but that’s it.

    Really impressed last night.

    Also,

    Connor Freaking McDavid.

    There are no words.

    EDM GF% McDavid on ice 56.9%
    EDM GF% McDavid off ice 42.1%

    That “off%” should be a crime punishable by public flogging in the stocks let alone firing.

    Yeah, Bear really impressed. Lots to learn on coverage, typical rookie nhl stuff.

    But here’s a thought……are they showcasing him, not Klef……?

  25. JustWatt says:

    Jethro Tull,

    I could hardly believe that that was the moment Todd chose to finally give the refs a piece of his mind. Now? After this season has been effectively over for 2 months? And on that play? Too little, too late Mr. McLellan. By a lot.

  26. JimmyV1965 says:

    Was anyone at the game last night? Were the fans actually booing Lucic?

  27. Andy Dufresne says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Andy Dufresne,

    Staal has been MIN’s MVP, is signed for 3.5 next year and they’re going to trade him?

    Raanta is going to leave a starters job in ARI for a backup job?

    If Klefbom has the value you say he does…why wouldnt Minny consider moving an aging/expiring contract value in value out.

    As for Raanta hes UFA so starts is combined with dollars….What are the Coyotes willing to pay him? I’d offer $3m and tell him hes a part of a Tandum. Talbot has had an off year and is in the last year of his contract next year. If Raanta ends up outplaying him or even matching his play he could become the heir apparent to replace Talbot after next year.

  28. HiddenDarts says:

    JimmyV1965:
    Sure miss OP around here.

    Agreed. His role as a Positivity Nuclear Bomb definitely helps me read through the a lot of the grumpier mornings here. Guy’s an ambassador for the Oil, practically.

  29. prefonmich says:

    I’ve been racking my brains trying to figure out why coach is saddling Mcdavid with Looch and I have co.e up with a very logical answer. Remember when Mcdavid was more passer than shooter and he would pass up opportunities to shoot to feed Maroon? It wasn’t that long ago. Now Mcdavid can’t make that pass because either Looch is not quick enough to be in the right position or will flub it anyway so Connor must shoot to have any chance of a goal. He is becoming a shoot first guy playing with Looch. Brilliant coaching!!

  30. JustWatt says:

    Andy Dufresne: It is kinda brutal…..but to be fair its not a coaches job to be concerned with Art Ross trophies.

    Isn’t it? It seems like it kind of falls under the conversation we had here a few days ago about good coaching going to bat for their players. The season is gone for the team and giving McDavid some quality line mates helps him take aim at the Art Ross, gives him something to play hard for. It also likely increased his team’s chance of winning on any given night. My guess is it would win him some cache with his players if they knew he was helping them reach their bonuses, etc.

  31. Brantford Boy says:

    Paraphrasing a bit…

    JP’s foul balls, man, just hit the net…
    Lucic needs to seriously ‘simplify’ his game…
    Broadcasters were talking about Leon eventually winning the Selke, before those turnovers…
    Connor, wow, what a display… I think he is out of his mind crazy great at the hockey…

    And where the hell is OP?

    Will be on training the next couple weeks, will hopefully be able to check in:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssIY8NYwvh4

    Go Oilers!

  32. Andy Dufresne says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Bear made a few 40ft passes on the tape in traffic that maybe Klef or a healthy Sekera could make, but that’s it.

    Really impressed last night.

    Also,

    Connor Freaking McDavid.

    There are no words.

    EDM GF% McDavid on ice 56.9%
    EDM GF% McDavid off ice 42.1%

    That “off%” should be a crime punishable by public flogging in the stocks let alone firing.

    It would be interesting to know historically what GF% the 4 or 5 generational players of the past 4 decades have had.

  33. HiddenDarts says:

    prefonmich:
    He is becoming a shoot first guy playing with Looch. Brilliant coaching!!

    This made me laugh. Then cry.

  34. JimmyV1965 says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    LT,

    Chia has some history of moving roster players in conjunction with signing a free agent.

    Do you not consider RHD John Carlson a hard target?

    Pay Carlson in free agency and move Kelfbom for example.

    Would love to have Carlson, but he will be one of the most expensive free agents this year. If the cap goes to $80 mill, I can see him getting 7 x $8 mill.

  35. Primetime says:

    Was at the game and Connor was breathtaking to watch (no surprise). It didn’t matter who he played with in the 3rd period, there was a legit chance to score almost every time. In a lost season, it is exciting that Connor still has a chance to win 2 Art Ross trophies in a row. Checked the stats this morning and it is a tight race through the top 10 for sure, he’s right in the mix. Then I looked at the PP scoring of that top 10:

    31, 32, 15, 32, 28, 31, 26, 24, 34, 27.

    Guess which one is Connor? Man, with even an average PP he is running away with the race…

  36. Andy Dufresne says:

    JustWatt: Isn’t it? It seems like it kind of falls under the conversation we had here a few days ago about good coaching going to bat for their players. The season is gone for the team and giving McDavid some quality line mates helps him take aim at the Art Ross, gives him something to play hard for. It also likely increased his team’s chance of winning on any given night. My guess is it would win him some cache with his players if they knew he was helping them reach their bonuses, etc.

    I agree with the sentiment…..Im just saying in the world of professional sports I dont think coaches concern themselves much with individual awards……but maybe Im wrong.

  37. flyfish1168 says:

    I was at the game last evening. 1st roll by the blue line. The best player to watch up close without a doubt is JP. his tongue is hanging and wagging with a smile ear to ear. I just wish he was more consistent and has more puck luck.

    Saw Milan very poor last evening. Couldn’t take a pass or settle the puck. Also had many what were you trying to do moments.

    Ethan had a few looks of nervousness, Oscar came over to his side to take control of the puck and play. To my eye last evening besides Connor, Oscar was the best player for us.

    Barzal looked like the 2nd fastest player last evening. Had a great view of Connor stealing the puck on Mathew. And the start if the foot race.

    Ebs had his chances in OT, but great view of Dadbort stealing a sure goal.

  38. jtblack says:

    “McLellan basically ran 97 with everyone in the third period (he rarely left the ice after the 10-minute mark of the third period).”

    I think this is part of the Problem. This seems to be Mclellan’s only “strategy”.

    I saw both Nurse and JP miss the net multiple times. Inexcusable.

  39. Andy Dufresne says:

    texmex:
    jake70,

    I think McDavid is actually getting pissed off with Lucic. He looked him off several times last night where he tried to do it himself rather than pass to Lucic b/c he knew Lucic who just cough the puck up.

    Good idea TMac, let’s piss Connor off.

    Thats what it looked like to me too. I think we’ll see Looch moved down the lineup soon…maybe by the Calgary game.

  40. gregsaint says:

    Old Timer:
    It is worth noting that, while Nurse is getting a number of shots on net, he is taking wide open shots. He needs to wait for some traffic or congestion around the net. As it is the opposing goalie will stop his “plums” all day long. Play just a little smarter Darnell.

    Find lanes or wait for traffic? Which is it? I’mmah so confused?!?

  41. Andy Dufresne says:

    JimmyV1965:
    Was anyone at the game last night? Were the fans actually booing Lucic?

    That would be something almost out of the movie Slapshot…….aging vet with a name like Looooch….continuing past his prime skating laps….basking in the glory of the adulation…all the while blissfully unaware the fans are actually booing him…….

  42. LMHF#1 says:

    LT – WRT to the Slepyshev-Strome-Puljujarvi line, it’s the wingers isn’t it? Every time I watch that line I can’t help but think how much damage they’re do with 97, 29, or 93 as their C for a 10 game stretch. Very hard to stop those two big, fast trains if they have a real deal player on the line.

    Strome’s been better, yes. He still isn’t enough.

  43. Andy Dufresne says:

    meanashell11:
    JJ pounding on Cluster$uck was worth the price of admission last night. That’s sticking up for your teammate and line mate. Lucic, I hope you were watching.

    Maroon gone…..the new “Fisticuffs Cluster” is now Looch, Kass, JJ and Nurse.

  44. Andy Dufresne says:

    JimmyV1965: Would love to have Carlson, but he will be one of the most expensive free agents this year. If the cap goes to $80 mill, I can see him getting 7 x $8 mill.

    Im with you….so would he take 7×7 to play with McDavid?

  45. JustWatt says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    You know, you might be right. I certainly don’t see too much evidence that McL is trying to help 97 win the Art Ross. I guess I was just saying I would appreciate a coach that showed his players he is aware about their personal goals and helps them reach them.

  46. Andy Dufresne says:

    Dicky94:
    Andy Dufresne,

    Would love to get Carlson but I think the Caps will definitely sign him up long term. They would be stupid to let him go. Here’s hoping they don’t though.

    Agreed…But somethings up cause hes made his way to free agency…..so he must be open to at least the idea of playing elsewhere……lets hope hes friends with Oscar and Adam…..and that hes a huge fan of McDavid

  47. Andy Dufresne says:

    JustWatt:
    Andy Dufresne,

    You know, you might be right. I certainly don’t see too much evidence that McL is trying to help 97 win the Art Ross. I guess I was just saying I would appreciate a coach that showed his players he is aware about their personal goals and helps them reach them.

    Agreed.

  48. Oilman99 says:

    Jethro Tull:
    McDavid blew the zone twice last night leaving no defensive coverage. I suppose the McDavid apologists will find convenient excuses like ‘he was taking a penalty shot’ or ‘it was in the shoot out, moron’,but I see it as proof that he still has a lot to learn and must try harder, seemed like he was lazy in both.

    Also, TMac should have bludgeoned a referee to death, anything less is a firable offense.

    If this team had any balls, they’d trade McDavid for future considerations.

    Boy, that Hall trade, huh?

    Boy, that Eberle trade, huh?

    Boy, that Reinhardt trade, huh?

    The above is my take on yesterday’s thread during the day. Feel free to return

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Andy Dufresne,

    Staal has been MIN’s MVP, is signed for 3.5 next year and they’re going to trade him?

    Raanta is going to leave a starters job in ARI for a backup job?

    There is only one manager in the league that make those deals, and we know what team he’s on. Dream on boys.

  49. Oilman99 says:

    Andy Dufresne: Thats what it looked like to me too. I think we’ll see Looch moved down the lineup soon…maybe by the Calgary game.

    Bakersfield is the only place he should be playing.

  50. Andy Dufresne says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Conner Freaking McDavid

    There are no words.

    That shoot out goal was other-wordly…he doesnt just skate at warp speed he stick-handles at warp speed. The stick-handling on that goal and one other one in a shootout where he got in tight then just time warped for 1 second on a mini deek around the goalies pad …..its like watching one of those horror movies where the ghost/cadaver (or like Pennywise the Clown) can accelerate their movement in an un-human way……thats what it must look like/feel like for Goalies….like they are in a horror movie. Its f#ck*n Crazy.

  51. Oilman99 says:

    Brantford Boy:
    Paraphrasing a bit…

    JP’s foul balls, man, just hit the net…
    Lucic needs to seriously ‘simplify’ his game…
    Broadcasters were talking about Leon eventually winning the Selke, before those turnovers…
    Connor, wow, what a display… I think he is out of his mind crazy great at the hockey…

    And where the hell is OP?

    Will be on training the next couple weeks, will hopefully be able to check in:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssIY8NYwvh4

    Go Oilers!

    Nice to see other comments other than OP filling the pages.

  52. Nix says:

    Anyone catch McDaddy chirp the Isles (perhaps Eberle specifically) after that shootout cheat code goal? Jordan got a little over zealous with his own celly just before.

    Connors becoming a man in real time and getting a little sass in his frass. Wew…buckle up fam. I love it!

  53. OmJo says:

    JustWatt:
    Jethro Tull,

    I could hardlybelieve that that was the moment Todd chose to finally give the refs a piece of his mind. Now? After this season has been effectively over for 2 months? And on that play? Too little, too late Mr. McLellan. By a lot.

    Well he did go after one of his favourites (Pakarinen).

  54. Nix says:

    OmJo: Well he did go after one of his favourites (Pakarinen).

    ‘NOBODY PUTS PAKI IN A CORNER!’

  55. OmJo says:

    Andy Dufresne: I agree with the sentiment…..Im just saying in the world of professional sports I dont think coaches concern themselves much with individual awards……but maybe Im wrong.

    The coaches main concern should be winning hockey games.

    Putting McDavid in a position to win the Art Ross and winning hockey games are not mutually exclusive events. The former leads to a higher probability of the latter.

  56. OmJo says:

    jtblack:
    “McLellan basically ran 97 with everyone in the third period (he rarely left the ice after the 10-minute mark of the third period).”

    I think this is part of the Problem. This seems to be Mclellan’s only “strategy”.

    I saw both Nurse and JP miss the net multiple times.Inexcusable.

    Both coach and general manager are hanging onto their jobs by McDavid’s coattails.

    He’s their get out of jail free card.

  57. jtblack says:

    Andrei Svechnikov Update:

    51 pts in last 29 gms
    19 GAME point streak:
    21G 17A 38 Points

    hes a pure Gunner

  58. who says:

    prefonmich:
    I’ve been racking my brains trying to figure out why coach is saddling Mcdavid with Looch and I have co.e up with a very logical answer. Remember when Mcdavid was more passer than shooter and he would pass up opportunities to shoot to feed Maroon? It wasn’t that long ago. Now Mcdavid can’t make that pass because either Looch is not quick enough to be in the right position or will flub it anyway so Connor must shoot to have any chance of a goal. He is becoming a shoot first guy playing with Looch. Brilliant coaching!!

    I think you may be on to something. It’s the best reason I’ve heard for playing Lucic with Macdavid . It remains a terrible coaching decision.
    Anyone else miss Cammaleri last night? That second line looked putrid without him. I know it’s early, and I’m willing to give him more time, but Aberg looks like a fourth liner to me so far. Hasn’t controlled the puck enough to be an effective offensive player. I thought Nuges two wingers sucked last night.
    I liked Kharias game last night and Strome and JP had some moments. Macdavid was great and the rest of the forwards were pretty meh.
    Thought the Oilers defense looked pretty solid but Bear has a ways to go in his own end. He seems to figure out his coverage but is very soft and slow to engage. Hard to see him being ready to help next year.

  59. ArmchairGM says:

    Who is the guy wearing 97? Someone needs to teach him what “tank” means, because he clearly doesn’t get it.

  60. leadfarmer says:

    Andy Dufresne: If Klefbom has the value you say he does…why wouldnt Minny consider moving an aging/expiring contract value in value out.

    As for Raanta hes UFA so starts is combined with dollars….What are the Coyotes willing to pay him? I’d offer $3m and tell him hes a part of a Tandum. Talbot has had an off year and is in the last year of his contract next year. If Raanta ends up outplaying him or even matching his play he could become the heir apparent to replace Talbot after next year.

    Because Wild need offense and not more defensemen.
    If Raanta was ok making 2-3 mil he would be signed by now. I’m sure he wants money and term. Hes going to be the most sought after goalie this offseason.
    You may get Grubauer for that money, and thats a maybe but Raanta no way

  61. StixMalone says:

    In all fairness Lucic should’ve been scratched last night. He obviously was still feeling the effects of whatever illness he had. Not good for the team if your not 100%. Coach should have played him lower in the lineup. Did he not see him struggling? He pulled Drai off but not Looch? What gives?….#StubbornCoach

  62. Andy Dufresne says:

    leadfarmer: Because Wild need offense and not more defensemen.
    If Raanta was ok making 2-3 mil he would be signed by now.I’m sure he wants money and term.Hes going to be the most sought after goalie this offseason.
    You may get Grubauer for that money, and thats a maybe but Raanta no way

    But make yourself the GM….youre saying to me that YOU wouldnt trade 33 year old Staal (will be 34 entering next season) as a part of a package that brings you a 25 year old Klefbom on a value contract for the next 5 years……that makes no sense to me whatsoever.

    And San Jose just signed Aaron Dell to a 2 year $1.9 AVV contract. I think Raanta would be in a better position in Edmonton than Dell is in SJ. Grubauer is another good target. Unlike you….I see both Raanta and Grubauer attracting about the same amount of interest in the offseason….so target both

  63. knighttown says:

    Connor McDavid…

    I’ve never seen anything like his 3rd period and overtime. How does someone expend that much energy and still never come off the ice? The answer must be that he’s not expending that much energy. His typical skating is as fast as most players turbo skating and for him it must be almost like rest. So he sort of swoops around the ice at NHL speed but unlike everyone else who is losing energy he’s resting. Then when he sees a chance he explodes.

    He was in on 15 of 18 scoring chances according to Bruce’s review at CoH? He played over 27 minutes. C’mon.

    He’s skating is super human but his stick handling and brain might be better.

    He routinely faces MVP candidates like Tavares and Kucherov and they look like chumps in comparison.

    I know he won’t win the Hart because…playoffs but if anyone wins the Pearson for the next 10 years it’s because they’re looking for a reason.

    I’m going to say it…I’m 42 and never saw Orr…but I don’t think I’ve ever seen a better hockey player.

  64. Andy Dufresne says:

    StixMalone:
    In all fairness Lucic should’ve been scratched last night. He obviously was still feeling the effects of whatever illness he had. Not good for the team if your not 100%. Coach should have played him lower in the lineup. Did he not see him struggling? He pulled Drai off but not Looch? What gives?….#StubbornCoach

    I was wrong about something the other day. I (before the Friedman tweet) said that the Oilers were not auditioning the Sleppys and the Caggulias….They are auditioning the Klefboms and the Talbots and the Lucics…..Someone (maybe Russ99 or Wilde or Jimmy) took issue with me and the Friedman tweet that Oscar was being showcased…..that person was right and I was wrong…..what I really meant in hindsight is that these vets are being auditioned….and auditioned is the word I originally used….they are being auditioned after a bad season to see what they really are and what if anything thier role/place on the team is for next year. Who is Lucic, what can we count on for next year? Who is Klef what can we count on for next year? Who is Talbot etc.

    This is in order to determine the best course of action in the summer…..if Looch is only a middle six LW then focus on left wingers…..If Klef is 2016 Klef then keep him….if not then use him as the chip that gets you your RHD………If Talbot is last years Talbot then great if not then move Montoya and get a more substantial backup…..etc etc.

    So I was wrong to agree with Friedman that they are showcasing Klef……But I remain convinced that, based on a bad to terrible year, it is the vets that are being auditioned moreso than the replacement level players.

    Its one explanation as to why Lucic is getting first line minutes.

  65. Professor Q says:

    Primetime:
    Was at the game and Connor was breathtaking to watch (no surprise).It didn’t matter who he played with in the 3rd period, there was a legit chance to score almost every time.In a lost season, it is exciting that Connor still has a chance to win 2 Art Ross trophies in a row.Checked the stats this morning and it is a tight race through the top 10 for sure, he’s right in the mix.Then I looked at the PP scoring of that top 10:

    31, 32, 15, 32, 28, 31, 26, 24, 34, 27.

    Guess which one is Connor?Man, with even an average PP he is running away with the race…

    Indeed. I mentioned this in an earlier post. If Edmonton had a PP like the rest of the leaders, or even like last year, McDavid would likely have 15-25 more points and be running away again with the scoring title.

  66. Andy Dufresne says:

    knighttown:
    Connor McDavid…

    I’ve never seen anything like his 3rd period and overtime.How does someone expend that much energy and still never come off the ice? The answer must be that he’s not expending that much energy.His typical skating is as fast as most players turbo skating and for him it must be almost like rest.So he sort of swoops around the ice at NHL speed but unlike everyone else who is losing energy he’s resting.Then when he sees a chance he explodes.

    He was in on 15 of 18 scoring chances according to Bruce’s review at CoH? He played over 27 minutes.C’mon.

    He’s skating is super human but his stick handling and brain might be better.

    He routinely faces MVP candidates like Tavares and Kucherov and they look like chumps in comparison.

    I know he won’t win the Hart because…playoffs but if anyone wins the Pearson for the next 10 years it’s because they’re looking for a reason.

    I’m going to say it…I’m 42 and never saw Orr…but I don’t think I’ve ever seen a better hockey player.

    Makes you wonder how its even possible that anyone else is being concidered as a serious threat for League MVP.

  67. JimmyV1965 says:

    Andy Dufresne: I was wrong about something the other day. I (before the Friedman tweet) said that the Oilers were not auditioning the Sleppys and the Caggulias….They are auditioning the Klefboms and the Talbots and the Lucics…..Someone (maybe Russ99 or Wilde or Jimmy) took issue with me and the Friedman tweet that Oscar was being showcased…..that person was right and I was wrong…..what I really meant in hindsight is that these vets are being auditioned….and auditioned is the word I originally used….they are being auditioned after a bad season to see what they really are and what if anything thier role/place on the team is for next year.Who is Lucic, what can we count on for next year? Who is Klef what can we count on for next year? Who is Talbot etc.

    This is in order to determine the best course of action in the summer…..if Looch is only a middle six LW then focus on left wingers…..If Klef is 2016 Klef then keep him….if not then use him as the chip that gets you your RHD………If Talbot is last years Talbot then great if not then move Montoya and get a more substantial backup…..etc etc.

    So I was wrong to agree with Friedman that they are showcasing Klef……But I remain convinced that, based on a bad to terrible year, it is the vets that are being auditioned moreso than the replacement level players.

    I don’t care what Talbot does the rest of us the season. We need a reliable backup the coach trusts. Talbot has been bad to start the season two out of his three years here.

  68. exoilinxs says:

    If TMac plays it right we could keep Connor on the ice for 60 mins. Every game use every time out. Do about 2-3 goalie mask adjustments per game and pull off the feigned soccer type injury 3 times a game. Pay off some fans to throw some pop on the ice each period and viola. More McD!!

  69. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Andy Dufresne: If Klefbom has the value you say he does…why wouldnt Minny consider moving an aging/expiring contract value in value out.

    As for Raanta hes UFA so starts is combined with dollars….What are the Coyotes willing to pay him? I’d offer $3m and tell him hes a part of a Tandum. Talbot has had an off year and is in the last year of his contract next year. If Raanta ends up outplaying him or even matching his play he could become the heir apparent to replace Talbot after next year.

    Maybe watching Chiarelli work has warped your sensibilities, but teams in win-now mode don’t trade their best player who is on a value contract.

    Raanta will be re-signed by ARI to be their starter before July 1

  70. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Andy Dufresne: But make yourself the GM….youre saying to me that YOU wouldnt trade 33 year old Staal (will be 34 entering next season) as a part of a packagethat brings you a 25 year old Klefbom on a value contract for the next 5 years……that makes no sense to me whatsoever.

    And San Jose just signed Aaron Dell to a 2 year $1.9 AVV contract.I think Raanta would be in a better position in Edmonton than Dell is in SJ. Grubauer is another good target. Unlike you….I see both Raanta and Grubauer attracting about the same amount of interest in the offseason….so target both

    They have Suter (7.5MM) and Brodie (4.2MM) on the left side.

    Why do they need Klef?

  71. Pouzar says:

    From the stupidly ridiculous files:

    Mike Kelly (@MikeKellyNHL) · Twitter

    https://twitter.com/MikeKellyNHL

    Connor McDavid had 46 more controlled zone entries than anyone else last season, an MVP season. This year, he has 103 more controlled entries than anyone, 62 more than he had last season and there’s 15 games to go. Also, he’s 21-years old.

  72. jake70 says:

    Andy Dufresne: It is kinda brutal…..but to be fair its not a coaches job to be concerned with Art Ross trophies.

    Well if he isn’t going to move Lucic off the line to help the franchise win the Art Ross, maybe he can move him to enable the team to win games……. 😉

  73. N64 says:

    Andy Dufresne: how its even possible that anyone else is being considered as a serious threat for League MVP.

    ~ Chiarelli’s blockbuster trade. ~

  74. leadfarmer says:

    Woodguy v2.0: They have Suter (7.5MM) and Brodie (4.2MM) on the left side.

    Why do they need Klef?

    Because Andy Dufrene says so. Just like why does Raanta want to come to Edmonton who has very little money to pay him so he’d be paid like a backup to fight for a starting spot against a goalie who is a 65 game starter when he can get a long term starter goalie contract this summer

  75. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    prefonmich:
    I’ve been racking my brains trying to figure out why coach is saddling Mcdavid with Looch and I have co.e up with a very logical answer. Remember when Mcdavid was more passer than shooter and he would pass up opportunities to shoot to feed Maroon? It wasn’t that long ago. Now Mcdavid can’t make that pass because either Looch is not quick enough to be in the right position or will flub it anyway so Connor must shoot to have any chance of a goal. He is becoming a shoot first guy playing with Looch. Brilliant coaching!!

    This is my guess:

    97 & 27 together 57.5% GF
    97 apart 56.5% GF
    27 apart 43.8% GF

    McLellan pays attention to goals and putting 27 with 97 doesn’t hurt the goal share and minimized the liability that is 27 without 97

    Just a guess

  76. leadfarmer says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    I think Hall has a very legitimate case. McKinnon too. Barkov if anyone actually watched Florida play

  77. jake70 says:

    knighttown:
    Connor McDavid…

    I’ve never seen anything like his 3rd period and overtime.How does someone expend that much energy and still never come off the ice? The answer must be that he’s not expending that much energy.His typical skating is as fast as most players turbo skating and for him it must be almost like rest.So he sort of swoops around the ice at NHL speed but unlike everyone else who is losing energy he’s resting.Then when he sees a chance he explodes.

    He was in on 15 of 18 scoring chances according to Bruce’s review at CoH? He played over 27 minutes.C’mon.

    He’s skating is super human but his stick handling and brain might be better.

    He routinely faces MVP candidates like Tavares and Kucherov and they look like chumps in comparison.

    I know he won’t win the Hart because…playoffs but if anyone wins the Pearson for the next 10 years it’s because they’re looking for a reason.

    I’m going to say it…I’m 42 and never saw Orr…but I don’t think I’ve ever seen a better hockey player.

    If I remember correctly, you are an EastCoaster like some of us in here. It baffles the mind why the NHL/Oilers put these regional restrictions in for TV viewing on Oiler games. What the hell are they thinking? 4 American teams were available on the national Sportsnet channels last night….but NOT the game with the world’s most electric hockey player, playing in Canada. Just rediculous. (yes I know there are non-CenterIce “ways” for out of market fans to watch the Oilers but still….).

  78. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    knighttown:
    Connor McDavid…

    I’ve never seen anything like his 3rd period and overtime.How does someone expend that much energy and still never come off the ice? The answer must be that he’s not expending that much energy.His typical skating is as fast as most players turbo skating and for him it must be almost like rest.So he sort of swoops around the ice at NHL speed but unlike everyone else who is losing energy he’s resting.Then when he sees a chance he explodes.

    He was in on 15 of 18 scoring chances according to Bruce’s review at CoH? He played over 27 minutes.C’mon.

    He’s skating is super human but his stick handling and brain might be better.

    He routinely faces MVP candidates like Tavares and Kucherov and they look like chumps in comparison.

    I know he won’t win the Hart because…playoffs but if anyone wins the Pearson for the next 10 years it’s because they’re looking for a reason.

    I’m going to say it…I’m 42 and never saw Orr…but I don’t think I’ve ever seen a better hockey player.

    The Ted Lindsay award for best player voted on by the players is what they call the Pearson these days old man.

  79. godot10 says:

    jake70: Playing Lucic with 97 – If it’s to “get him (#27) going”, then this is unfair to McDavid, who, while out of playoffs, is still in in a race for Art Ross Trophy 2nd year in a row. Cmon TMac…brutal.

    The entire organization is desperate to save face on Lucic. Trying to save face only makes it worse though. Find the level where Lucic can still be somewhat effective for the next five years. It might be the 4th line. It might be the press box.

  80. Side says:

    knighttown:
    Connor McDavid…

    I’ve never seen anything like his 3rd period and overtime.How does someone expend that much energy and still never come off the ice? The answer must be that he’s not expending that much energy.His typical skating is as fast as most players turbo skating and for him it must be almost like rest.So he sort of swoops around the ice at NHL speed but unlike everyone else who is losing energy he’s resting.Then when he sees a chance he explodes.

    He was in on 15 of 18 scoring chances according to Bruce’s review at CoH? He played over 27 minutes.C’mon.

    He’s skating is super human but his stick handling and brain might be better.

    He routinely faces MVP candidates like Tavares and Kucherov and they look like chumps in comparison.

    I know he won’t win the Hart because…playoffs but if anyone wins the Pearson for the next 10 years it’s because they’re looking for a reason.

    I’m going to say it…I’m 42 and never saw Orr…but I don’t think I’ve ever seen a better hockey player.

    I feel like anyone who says Connor isn’t currently the best player on the planet places too much weight on awards and experience.

    I get people respect Crosby for his cups and his World/Olympic medals, he is a generational player as well, but he’s no McDavid.

    Crosby is the type of player you watch one of his games and think “Wow, he is really good compared to the other guys”

    McDavid is the type of player you watch one of his games and think “What’s wrong with everyone else? Why does everyone else look so bad?”

    Crosby you can see he is a head above his peers and opposition.

    McDavid makes you think he’s from a league better than the NHL and he came down to the NHL screw around and have some fun.

  81. godot10 says:

    LMHF#1:
    LT – WRT to the Slepyshev-Strome-Puljujarvi line, it’s the wingers isn’t it? Every time I watch that line I can’t help but think how much damage they’re do with 97, 29, or 93 as their C for a 10 game stretch. Very hard to stop those two big, fast trains if they have a real deal player on the line.

    Strome’s been better, yes. He still isn’t enough.

    The organization (and coach) is trying to save face on the Eberle trade.

  82. leadfarmer says:

    jake70,

    Because they cant switch the game to other games when mcdavid steps off the ice

  83. Woogie63 says:

    Pouzar:
    From the stupidly ridiculous files:

    Mike Kelly (@MikeKellyNHL) · Twitter

    https://twitter.com/MikeKellyNHL

    Connor McDavid had 46 more controlled zone entries than anyone else last season, an MVP season. This year, he has 103 more controlled entries than anyone, 62 more than he had last season and there’s 15 games to go. Also, he’s 21-years old.

    Coaches love the puck being transported over 3 lines;

    McDavid, Draisaitl, Puljajarvi and Nurse are very skilled at this aspect of the game.

  84. godot10 says:

    Andy Dufresne: Makes you wonder how its even possible that anyone else is being concidered as a serious threat for League MVP.

    It is most valuable player, not most outstanding player who get the Hart Trophy. Missing the playoffs greatly diminishing the value of outstanding individual performance.

  85. OmJo says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Maybe watching Chiarelli work has warped your sensibilities, but smart, well managed teams in win-now mode don’t trade their best player who is on a value contract.

    Raanta will be re-signed by ARI to be their starter before July 1

    Fixed it for you. The Oilers are definitely a team that trades their best players who are on value contracts.

  86. Woogie63 says:

    I wonder if

    Simpson, Jones, LB and Gambardella get and NHL paycheck before the season is over?

  87. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    – Lucic’s attributes that contribute to scoring are: 1) boards, and 2) passing

    – He’s not a Smitty “goal scorer” who stays in front of net and get goals (although last year he did a lot more of that on the PP)

    – He’s an effective passer, and also digging the puck out of the boards

    – I think he’s been trying to adapt his game to a different role. If he can focus on boards, and passing to McD, then he will be effective. If he’s being excepted to be the finisher, or one-timer, that’s not what makes him effective. Lucic with a sniper and McD worsk well IMO. Lucic is not the sniper though, and that is where he struggles IMO, he’s miscast…

    – Of course the other part of Lucic that was effective, non-scoring division was his truculence. He’s not doing that as much, although he continues to hit a lot

    – I still say he’s hurt: he was a 55 point pace before Christmas 1st line 5×5 scoring. The wheels didn’t fall off and skill erosion so huge in 2 months

  88. OmJo says:

    I don’t know how the Oilers justify not firing Chiarelli if the GM who took him behind the woodshed twice in consecutive summers is let go.

    If Garth Snow deserves to be fired Chiarelli deserves to be fired.

  89. godot10 says:

    jake70: If I remember correctly,you are an EastCoaster like some of us in here. It baffles the mind why the NHL/Oilers put these regional restrictions in for TV viewing on Oiler games.What the hell are they thinking?4 American teams were available on the national Sportsnet channels last night….but NOT the game with the world’s most electric hockey player, playing in Canada.Just rediculous.(yesI know there are non-CenterIce“ways” for out of market fans to watch the Oilers but still….).

    The Eastern Canadian teams put the restrictions on (and vice versa for viewing Eastern teams in the West). Not the Oilers.

    It is the way the broadcasting and streaming rights are sold.

    There is this archaic notion of regional rights. That people are fans of teams in their region only.

  90. Doug McLachlan says:

    ArmchairGM:
    Who is the guy wearing 97? Someone needs to teach him what “tank” means, because he clearly doesn’t get it.

    Tank?? 92 points still on the board? Will be tight, but…..

  91. godot10 says:

    Woogie63:
    I wonder if

    Simpson, Jones, LB and Gambardella get and NHL paycheck before the season is over?

    The OIlers have used two of their four callups on Bear and Rattie.

  92. jtblack says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    “The wheels didn’t fall off and skill erosion so huge in 2 months”

    It has happened after 796 NHL Games. You are seeing a power forward lose his game in Real Time…….

  93. Bag of Pucks says:

    godot10: The Eastern Canadian teams put the restrictions on (and vice versa for viewing Eastern teams in the West). Not the Oilers.

    It is the way the broadcasting and streaming rights are sold.

    There is this archaic notion of regional rights.That people are fans of teams in their region only.

    It’s also about maximizing ad revenue. Sportsnet wants to create as many targeted media properties as it can. The problem for broadcasters in having all games viewed nationally is viewers will gravitate towards the marquee matchups only. That hurts the viewing numbers for the other games. They want to be able to geo target and maximize the eyeballs per region. It’s all about the dosh!

  94. Doug McLachlan says:

    godot10: The OIlers have used two of their four callups on Bear and Rattie.

    I thought that Rattie was already up at the deadline so I am not sure he counts against the four.

  95. OilClog says:

    You have to wonder just what Mcdavids numbers would look like if he didn’t have to drag around Lucic because the coach is trying to hide a 6 million a year player under the best player in the world.

    Lucic is not a good passer, he misses guys by 2-3 feet everytime he tries to spring them.

    Separate the coach and GM from eachother and both men deserve to walk the plank on their own doings.

  96. Woogie63 says:

    Bakersfield Goalie usage

    March 3 , LB .870
    March 2, LB, .945
    Feb 24, LB .900
    Feb 23 LB, .952
    Feb. 19, Starlett .920 …LB on Oilers
    Feb. 17 Ellis .882 ….LB on Oilers
    Feb. 14 LB, .777
    Feb 10, LB, .865
    Feb. 9, LB .933
    Feb 2, Starlett/Ellis, .714/.733

    That looks to me like LB is still the Oilers plans

  97. frjohnk says:

    jtblack:
    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    “The wheels didn’t fall off and skill erosion so huge in 2 months”

    It has happened after 796 NHL Games. You are seeing a power forward lose his game in Real Time…….

    While there have been veteran players in nhl history who starting out well in a season and then the wheels fell off mid season and they never really recovered, I don’t think Lucic is done.

    Yeah, he is not a 1st line winger, we all know that , but in his streak he had some bad luck. A few posts and point blank chances flubbed or saved.

    Of course EBERLE is a way better hockey player, but Lucic is kinda having a season like EBERLE had last year.

    EBERLE hired a shooting coach in the summer of 16 and face planted the next season.
    Lucic hires a speed coach last summer and face planted this season.

    Wonder if it was the same coach.

  98. sliderule says:

    JP needs to work on accuracy.Huh.

    Other than Connor the whole team needs to work on accuracy.

    Go to a practice and you will see them working on one timers that mostly rattle off the boards.You don’t see them skating and shooting and if you do it’s mostly off the boards.

    If you can’t go to a practice get to rink early and watch warmup shooting hard is mantra not accuracy as your ears ring from pucks missing net.

    You would think that the coaches would realize improving your skill level doesn’t have to stop once you reach the NHL.

  99. Side says:

    sliderule:
    JP needs to work on accuracy.Huh.

    Other than Connor the whole team needs to work on accuracy.

    Go to a practice and you will see them working on one timers that mostly rattle off the boards.You don’t see them skating and shooting and if you do it’s mostly off the boards.

    If you can’t go to a practice get to rink early and watch warmup shooting hard is mantra not accuracy as your ears ring from pucks missing net.

    You would think that the coaches would realize improving your skill level doesn’t have to stop once you reach the NHL.

    There’s no reason why the players cannot work on their accuracy in their own time.

  100. OmJo says:

    godot10: The Eastern Canadian teams put the restrictions on (and vice versa for viewing Eastern teams in the West). Not the Oilers.

    It is the way the broadcasting and streaming rights are sold.

    There is this archaic notion of regional rights.That people are fans of teams in their region only.

    Wasn’t there a time not too long ago where Oilers games would be blacked out on Sportsnet West in Edmonton?

  101. --hudson-- says:

    Todd’s post game from last night. Highlights:
    – Lucic’s turnover on the Islander goal
    – Cam Talbots game
    – McDavid’s stamina
    – Khaira’s development
    – Ethan Bear’s icetime, he’s here to play (Benning was not 100%)

    Source video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jEyfTNiGSc
    ————————————————–
    Q: …late game and you know obviously that’s motivation for him. He just talked about the goal that they gave up and then everything that he did.
    A: Well the goal they gave up was one that was avoidable. we turned the puck over, an individual turn the puck over at the blue line, and based on our pre-scout and we knew they would stand strong there and we had a game plan that included you know getting pucks to a certain area in the offensive zone and then going to work and we didn’t do that. Connor happened to be on the ice for it. he didn’t have a lot to do with it but you know that line was a little indifferent early and then started to shuffle things around. played Connor on three different lines down the stretch and we’re lucky enough to get one late and then are usually a pretty good overtime team and we saw that again.

    Q: Two quick ones about Cam Talbot. One just his performance tonight and then two how important is it for him to continue to build confidence in himself down this stretch considering just the season the team…
    Q: I thought Talb’s had a really good game tonight, a calming game for us. He wasn’t tested a lot but when he was he made great saves. I think of the one in overtime, I think on Jordan, the leg coming out and those are hard games for goaltender’s to play because sometimes there’s not a lot going on and all of a sudden it’s coming at you. so he played well, he was a calming influence. I thought he managed the game well. He gave us whistles when we needed them, when we were tired, and moving forward obviously he missed some time this year. We’re trying to get him into a lot of reps and games kind of get him back into that starter rhythm that he had last year and we hope that he can continue to work on his game from now until the end.

    Q: Todd, are you ever not amazed at how much Connor can play. Played ten minutes in the third period and four minutes in the overtime and he took on those two defenseman in overtime even though he’d…
    A: Well you know what I think I’m still learning and I’m here you know three years with him now. You push him to the limit and he raises the bar, you push him to a limit he raises the bar as far as being able to recover. Tremendous cardio system that he has on his body he’s such an efficient skater and I asked him after the game I said are you tired yet and he goes there was one near the end I was starting to get tired but that’s remarkable that an individual can play like that. Speaks of his skating ability and how efficient he is. You know over and above that he’s hauling people around on the ice. Their draped over him, he’s got to stop and start, he’s got a battle in the faceoff circle so it’s remarkable.

    Q: I want to ask about you about Jujar Khaira a little bit. As the season goes on he keeps bringing a little bit more and a little bit more to the table. Where do you see his upside going to, do you kind of know even what you’ve got yet with this guy?
    A: You know what I think he’s improving every game every day in practice he’s getting more and more confident. He’s got more poise with the puck, he’s imposing his physicality as we saw again tonight, that gives him room in the league, and you know I feel good about playing him in in all different situations. He was one that went up on the wing there for awhile. He was on the ice in the last three minutes, he penalty killed, he’s on the power play now. Like it’s a lot of ice time earned on his behalf.

    Q: You got almost 20 minutes out of Ethan Bear tonight. Can you maybe just discuss, you know, his use he was in the lineup ahead of some veterans tonight and just what you’re seeing that makes you want to continue to…
    A: Yeah you know I wouldn’t read a lot into being into the lineup ahead of veterans. If Ethan’s here he’s gonna play and that’s unfortunate for some of the other veterans that are here. Benny came out tonight, Benny wasn’t feeling good, you know so we were gonna pull a defenseman out, we used the one that was not a hundred percent. Next game if Ethan plays we’ll have another guy out. Where we are in the standings and not going to the playoffs, obviously we can afford to do a few things like that, but it’ll be on an earned basis and Ethan’s earned that ice time.

  102. Professor Q says:

    godot10: The OIlers have used two of their four callups on Bear and Rattie.

    I’m not sure that counts for medical emergency call ups?

  103. anduril says:

    I agree that CMD is breathtaking to watch but what’s the take on why he isn’t able to separate himself points wise from the rest of the league? I’m not expecting him to put up 200+ points in today’s NHL but Gretzky and Lemieux did separate themselves rather dramatically from their peers. Why isn’t McDavid doing that? Lots of players are hanging with him in points. Is it something that’s still going to happen in future seasons do you think?

  104. godot10 says:

    anduril:
    I agree that CMD is breathtaking to watch but what’s the take on why he isn’t able to separate himself points wise from the rest of the league? I’m not expecting him to put up 200+ points in today’s NHL but Gretzky and Lemieux did separate themselves rather dramatically from their peers. Why isn’t McDavid doing that? Lots of players are hanging with him in points. Is it something that’s still going to happen in future seasons do you think?

    The coaches can’t coach a power play is why McDavid cannot seperate and Draisaitl is outside the top ten in total points. In even strength points, both are top ten.

    And well playing McDavid with Lucic doesn’t help.

  105. Professor Q says:

    anduril:
    I agree that CMD is breathtaking to watch but what’s the take on why he isn’t able to separate himself points wise from the rest of the league? I’m not expecting him to put up 200+ points in today’s NHL but Gretzky and Lemieux did separate themselves rather dramatically from their peers. Why isn’t McDavid doing that? Lots of players are hanging with him in points. Is it something that’s still going to happen in future seasons do you think?

    If the PP was better managed he’d have 15-30 more points. Look at the Top 10 ppint-scorers in the NHL, and you’ll see most have 25-35 PP points.

    McDavid has 15.

    And look at that stat about controlled exits and entries. 101 more than anyone else in the league? 20 + each last night when most players have 3-6? Craziness. Most lead to a crazy scoring chance for the young Captain.

    Imagine if he could better capitalize on them, with better timing and shot placement, as well as having fewer instances of uncalled interference and hooking?

  106. who says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    – Lucic’s attributes that contribute to scoring are: 1) boards, and 2) passing

    – He’s not a Smitty “goal scorer” who stays in front of net and get goals (although last year he did a lotmore of that on the PP)

    – He’s an effective passer, and also digging the puck out of the boards

    – I think he’s been trying to adapt his game to a different role.If he can focus on boards, and passing to McD, then he will be effective.If he’s being excepted to be the finisher, or one-timer, that’s not what makes him effective.Lucic with a sniper and McD worsk well IMO.Lucic is not the sniper though, and that is where he struggles IMO, he’s miscast…

    – Of course the other part of Lucic that was effective, non-scoring division was his truculence. He’s not doing that as much, although he continues to hit a lot

    – I still say he’s hurt: he was a 55 point pace before Christmas 1st line 5×5 scoring.The wheels didn’t fall off and skill erosion so huge in 2 months

    Let me correct you.
    Lucic HAD THE REPUTATION of being an effective passer and good at controlling the puck along the boards when he came to Edmonton.
    I have seen neither of these skills displayed consistently since he got here.
    There have been plenty of negative comments about his passing so I’ll leave that alone. His possession game along the boards has been BRUTAL.
    Seriously what percentage of puck battles does this guy win? 20%? 30%? Yes he’s big and strong but he has no agility or flexibility. He is incapable of using that big body to shield the puck because he he can’t turn. His edgework is atom level and the other players are just too quick and elusive for him to compete with. Surely the coaches can see this?
    Even the attempted hits are hard to watch. He is supposedly leading the league but unless he gets a guy in the trolley tracks along the boards its usually a miss.
    Just drop this guy down to the third line already and give him a center he can keep up with. It would take SO MUCH pressure off him and maybe he could relax and start to enjoy the game again.
    Maybe the Oilers can salvage a 3 million dollar player out of this signing. Cause right now he’s replacement level.

  107. anduril says:

    Professor Q: If the PP was better managed he’d have 15-30 more points. Look at the Top 10 ppint-scorers in the NHL, and you’ll see most have 25-35 PP points.

    McDavid has 15.

    And look at that stat about controlled exits and entries. 101 more than anyone else in the league? 20 + each last night when most players have 3-6? Craziness. Most lead to a crazy scoring chance for the young Captain.

    Imagine if he could better capitalize on them, with better timing and shot placement, as well as having fewer instances of uncalled interference and hooking?

    Does CMD share any responsibility for the poor PP? He holds on to that puck a lot.

    I do wonder about his ability to capitalize… in some sense, that’s part of why I asked the questions. Is that to come? Because at this point, I find it curious that he isn’t separating himself in points.

  108. sliderule says:

    Side: There’s no reason why the players cannot work on their accuracy in their own time.

    The ultimate reason you have a coach is to win.

    In order to win you have to have improvement in player skill

    Football teams and baseball teams have skill coaches that cover almost every area.

    Hockey has goalie coaches but judging from what I see they should have shooting and passing coaches.

    I bet if you asked most NHL coaches about that they would say they should be skilled in those areas before I get them..NHL coaches would rather talk about systems rather than Improving skill level.

  109. Snowman says:

    anduril: Does CMD share any responsibility for the poor PP? He holds on to that puck a lot.

    I do wonder about his ability to capitalize… in some sense, that’s part of why I asked the questions. Is that to come? Because at this point, I find it curious that he isn’t separating himself in points.

    What?

    No winger on the team has more than 11 goals. Do you think maybe that has something to do with the poor powerplay? No d man has more than 6 goals and the guy that has 6 goals doesn’t play on the powerplay.

    As with basically every issue with this team…. it is the depth players that are the problem. Not the best player. You cannot have a good powerplay when 7 out of the 10 regular personnel don’t have more than 11 goals.

    Honestly. Whatever problem this team has… Connor is probably hiding how big a problem it actually is. And he doesn’t pick the team or choose the units and he can’t score for everyone else.

    That should be a general rule for all Oiler fans to remember… The Oilers suck at something? Just imagine how bad it would be without him and then thank the Gords that he wears an Oilers jersey.

  110. jtblack says:

    anduril:
    I agree that CMD is breathtaking to watch but what’s the take on why he isn’t able to separate himself points wise from the rest of the league? I’m not expecting him to put up 200+ points in today’s NHL but Gretzky and Lemieux did separate themselves rather dramatically from their peers. Why isn’t McDavid doing that? Lots of players are hanging with him in points. Is it something that’s still going to happen in future seasons do you think?

    Good Question. IMHO: McDavid will separate Himself in the coming seasons Maybe not every year, but a few for sure.

    REASONS HE HASNT YET:
    – As the others mentioned, a shit PP
    – Since 2005, really nobody separates themselves (Croz, Malkin, etc). The game is so low scoring, that you can only “GET” so many points. The Oilers have 189 Goals. Connor is in on the highest % in the League (43%). Once EDM gets a team that is closer to 300 Goals, then I see Connor around 125 pts.

    REASONS HE WILL:
    -Winger help is on the way. Maybe …..
    -A Better PP should be on the way
    -Connor technically just finished his 2nd yr (missed 30 gms in season 1). He is just now figuring out how to score I see him over 50 Goals next yr.
    -See above point, Lemieux and Gretz never seprataed until year 3+. 2019 & beyond for Connor
    -Legit Offensive D man. Not sure if one is coming or not but it would help immensely

  111. v4ance says:

    who,

    That is my take on it as well WHO.

    I didn’t watch many of Lucic’s games before he got to Edmonton but he always HAD the reputation of a big body power forward who controlled the puck along the boards.

    In the past two seasons, he’s shown relatively little ability to retain possession or retake possession of the puck going up the sidewalls. Even when he does have the puck under control, he compounds his flaws by either bobbling the puck or making horrifically bad short passes.

    I would also echo the desire to see Lucic dropped to the 3rd line away from McDavid so that the 1st line can score more and the team can win more. But it appears that the coach is too stubborn to do this or the management has made a directive to keep Lucic with McDavid. I could believe that there is an element of saving face with the org, and needing to feed Lucic cherry minutes to support their signing of him.

    At this point, I would be happy if we could trade Lucic with our 3rd rounder next year in exchange for a 7th rounder just to rid ourselves of the cap hit. It would allow us to keep Nuge who is in his prime years rather than Lucic who is not going to get any better.

  112. Snowman says:

    I should add… Connor did separate himself in points last year. He won the scoring race by double digits…

    Its a miracle he has as many points as he does. Nobody outside Connor, Leon and Nuge have more than 12 goals. 12!

    That’s pathetic production from the wings. And no production from the back end. Give Connor a decent roster to work with and he’ll put up 125 no problems and win the scoring race by 20+.

  113. Side says:

    sliderule: The ultimate reason you have a coach is to win.

    In order to win you have to have improvement in player skill

    Football teams and baseball teams have skill coaches that cover almost every area.

    Hockey has goalie coaches but judging from what I see they should have shooting and passing coaches.

    I bet if you asked most NHL coaches about that they would say they should be skilled in those areas before I get them..NHL coaches would rather talk about systems rather than Improving skill level.

    So are you advocating that the Oilers should hire a player development coach?

    Or are you advocating that Todd should teach less about systems and focus more on skill development?

  114. Andy Dufresne says:

    JimmyV1965: I don’t care what Talbot does the rest of us the season. We need a reliable backup the coach trusts. Talbot has been bad to start the season two out of his three years here.

    Exactly. +1 AND if I am the GM and my job is on the line….Im not taking that risk….

  115. Andy Dufresne says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Maybe watching Chiarelli work has warped your sensibilities, but teams in win-now mode don’t trade their best player who is on a value contract.

    Raanta will be re-signed by ARI to be their starter before July 1

    you think Minny is win now mode…..or more like St Louis?

    Cause I think Minnys f#cked….caught in no mans land with a few huge problem contracts.

    IF you gave me a choice between the Oilers GM job or the Wilds GM job Id take the OIlers hands down. JMO

  116. --hudson-- says:

    Todd’s availability after practice today. Highlights:
    – discussion on how 3 vs 3 tactics have changed since it was introduced
    – should the league get rid of the shootout and play a longer OT?
    – Is Slepyshev a pp or pk guy? His production on pp is low even in AHL.

    Source video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlqzHhUNV9U
    ————————————————–
    Q: … some of the guys are saying that you don’t really have to alter your game that much because he’s gonna do what he’s gonna do?
    A: Exactly I think that’s the, you know that’s the thing. It was interesting cuz I was reading an article today, Henrik Zetterberg talked about the young players and obviously having spent some time with him, and Pavel Datsyuk, and Nick Lidstrom. The core of that team, back in o8 when we won a Stanley Cup, was mid age and they got it, they figured out how to win and how to do it right every night and I think a lot of teams in the league are striving for that right now. We’re one of them, getting everybody to do it right, all the time whether you’re an older player or younger player. But I really liked his comments and his article and I think it’s applicable to our team at times and likely there’s other coaches around the league saying the same thing. So that’s what we’re striving for is consistency and getting better and so that we can apply it as we move forward

    Q: Todd, okay a couple of questions about three-on-three overtime. First of all how do you think it’s changed if at all since it was first brought into the league?
    A: I think there’s more tactics to it now. I think that players understand it better. I think coaches understand it better. You know we used to go through maybe three or four rotations of different players. A lot of times depending on how long the shift is you can come back with another pair, we’ve been lucky enough to do that. Some of that has to do with the individual obviously, Connors got some iron lungs and great legs he can play for a long time. But also the approach to overtime, managing the puck and being selective, and scoring chances and opportunities. Building speed differently than maybe you would on a regular cycle. I think a lot has changed in that that time frame.

    Q: It’s often the most thrilling part of the game or maybe what fans might take with them more than other plays because so much can happen. Should it be extended, should you just play for ten until someone scores, get rid of shoot so I mean…
    A: I don’t know. I would say that 82 games is a lot of hockey. It’s taxing when you get to overtime, your high end minute players are playing more, and more back-to-back games. You go an extra another extra five minutes and then you got to travel. I think it’s hard on the athletes sometimes to keep adding to the game. Add more minutes and add this and add that. You know in my opinion, yes let’s do that, but let’s cut out a game or two. But that’s just one coach’s opinion, there’s ownership, players association, the league all that type of stuff. If you’re gonna add, take it away from somewhere else because it is taxing on the athlete.

    Q: Todd you spoke before how you’d like guys at some point to be on one of your special teams units to kind of stay in the game. Anton Slepyshev’s season kind of got derailed early with the injury, was always playing catch-up, seems like he’s in somewhat of a rhythm. Do you see him as a guy who is more of a power play guy or a penalty kill guy and is there is there one unit you want to try to get him more involved in?
    A: I would say eventually he’ll be more of a power play guy, you know he has the shot. The thing with Anton is his production at the pro level over here on the power play hasn’t been very high, even in the minor league. So we look at that a bit and probably shouldn’t hold that against him but you know he is a guy that’s getting more freedom to make mistakes maybe than he did earlier in the year. Some of that has to do with the situation we’re in, we’re seeing if he can limit those and be more productive. I’ve always liked his work ethic, I’ve liked this commitment to his game and the and the team, and he’s getting a nice little run right now.

  117. Andy Dufresne says:

    Woodguy v2.0: They have Suter (7.5MM) and Brodie (4.2MM) on the left side.

    Why do they need Klef?

    Isnt that like saying…..Weve got Sekera and Nurse…..why do we need Klef?

  118. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Ben and Old Timer

    I see one of the biggest scoring issues with most of the Oilers is rushing shots. McL mentioned it a few months back, along with taking too much time.

    It is hard to score in the NHL and without using deception of some sort chances go way down. All good scorers use movement of some type – be it skating or drawing the puck from wide in closer which changes the angle for the goalie.

    Very few can overpower goalies with velocity – right now a few are Ovi, Laine,, Stamkos and Weber if he gets a clean shot.

    I think they need a coach to get them doing these things. The PP coach should be showing the D how the best players do it so they can start incorporating it, and perhaps they need a skills coach for the forwards teaching how the best shoot and some shoutout techniques.

    Most players aren’t that reliable in shoutouts, a few strategies would help as a starting point.

    Of course McD on his quest for perfection has been adding skills to improve his shot and anything else he’s not dominant at. I love that kid.

    One thing we have yet to see is his excellence trickling down. It is very common that all players play up a level when they have a generational guy leading. I hope it starts soon.

  119. Andy Dufresne says:

    leadfarmer:
    Andy Dufresne,

    I think Hall has a very legitimate case.McKinnon too.Barkov if anyone actually watched Florida play

    I think it depends on the strict definition of the Award criteria…..all they ever throw out there is “Most valuable to his team” if this is true its McDavid hands down…….if there are unwritten qualifiers attcqhed like …….did he get his team into the playoffs….or some such thing then yes …the list you gave is a good one. I find the wording “most valuable to his team” very confusing

  120. Alpine says:

    Some juicy stuff being talked about on 31 Thoughts podcast today (Jeff Marek and Elliotte Friedman).

    Per closet oilers fan, @akaRCN https://twitter.com/akarcn/status/972192063616778240

    Both Marek and Elliotte are in the know enough that the “Katz is mad” reports are probably real. Which is really funny and also worrying at the same time.

  121. Andy Dufresne says:

    leadfarmer: Because Andy Dufrene says so.Just like why does Raanta want to come to Edmonton who has very little money to pay him so he’d be paid like a backup to fight for a starting spot against a goalie who is a 65 game starter when he can get a long term starter goalie contract this summer

    Thank you for that. Im seldom quoted as an authority.

  122. Side says:

    Alpine:
    Some juicy stuff being talked about on 31 Thoughts podcast today (Jeff Marek and Elliotte Friedman).

    Per closet oilers fan, @akaRCN https://twitter.com/akarcn/status/972192063616778240

    Both Marek and Elliotte are in the know enough that the “Katz is mad” reports are probably real. Which is really funny and also worrying at the same time.

    Good. I would be much more worried if Katz were happy about this year and how things are going.

  123. Andy Dufresne says:

    Alpine:
    Some juicy stuff being talked about on 31 Thoughts podcast today (Jeff Marek and Elliotte Friedman).

    Per closet oilers fan, @akaRCN https://twitter.com/akarcn/status/972192063616778240

    Both Marek and Elliotte are in the know enough that the “Katz is mad” reports are probably real. Which is really funny and also worrying at the same time.

    If Katz is mad then Katz is smart.

  124. Extend Russell says:

    For fun I watched an old bruins game with Lucic in it.
    Wanted to see if there is a difference .
    Turns out there’s not . He’s the same intimidating gorilla on skates, but back then people weren’t to sure how tough he was so they still challenged him.

    The most noticeable thing that was different was when he was on the ice they would typically dump and chase with reasonable results. But that’s his strength. He punishes defenseman wearing them down by repeatability hitting them or making them make a bad pass.

    Lucic needs a line or a centerman that’s willing to play to his strengths. McDavid Nuge and Draisaitl all prefer to enter the zone in control.
    I’m sure it’s frustrating for him because if he plays that grinding game he is quite effective.

    There is no trading him. I’d rather find a centerman and a small scrappy winger that’s willing to swallow their pride and play this way. Maybe Stromer and Aberg, or Caggiula on the wing.
    The game is changing and defense are typically faster but they still don’t like getting checked like that.

    Personally I thought he was not bad last night. It’s funny but when people don’t like a player they find every little damn thing the guy does wrong or missed. I wasn’t an Eberle fan after last years playoffs and I kept wondering to myself, where the damn was this intense buzz saw last year in the playoffs when we needed him. Oh well.
    Honestly I thought Strome outplayed 7. Last night.

  125. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Andy Dufresne: If Katz is mad then Katz is smart.

    – If I were to guess: based on Nicolson saying the Fans are going to be excited about the changes once they understand: Coffey will be the PP coach, they will get some other sexy assitant coach, and Coach is on the hot seat

    – Kind of like Gibby with the Jays: recall team had a brutal start last year (like the Oil) and another slow start like that word on the street is that Gibby is gone.. Jays made some coach changes as well in the off-season..

  126. SwedishPoster says:

    I like Klefbom better when he’s paired with a more skilled less defensively inclined partner who he has to cover for, he contains himself more, less roaming, better positioning and he still finds ways to be involved in the good end. Bear is raw and rookie-y and we’ll see how he handles when the maximum focus of the first few NHL games wears off but the pairing sure has some nice features. Could be a thing.

    And yeah Klefbom looked good with Larsson who is the opposite of what I described but it seems most everyone plays well with Larsson.

    Åberg and Caggiula are terrible fits with RNH. Both wingers are bad at hitting lanes and finding good ice in the offensive zone, and RNH loves to find guys hitting those lanes. One of them might work because they aren’t afraid of tough areas and move their feet, but both naaah.

    I don’t get the why they insist on playing Jesse at LW and Sleppy at RW, to my eye both look more comfortable the other way around which make sense as that’s where they usually played pre-Oilers.

    It seems to me they are dead set to turn Jesse into a shooter. Imo he is more efficient when focusing on playmaking and instead shoots when he finds a good lane or room for his big onetimer. What’s so alluring with Jesse’s offensive skillset is that he’s got these physical tools and skating alongside real nice vision and creativity while also sporting a powerful, but not overly accurate, shot. Thus he can kill you in a lot of ways. You lose a lot of that if you try to turn him into a pure shooter. He’s not accurate enough to shoot whenever there’s an opening, he needs more target practice if he’s to join the of Ovies and Laines of the world and I doubt he’ll ever be truly efficient in that role. I also think he hits his mark better when he’s not thinking shoot all the time and instead is more poised and patient. Pulju is still very raw so it might be tempting to have him simplify his game but I think that’s a mistake and the team would be better off having him explore his full width as a player. There’ll be bumps in the road but the end product should be far better.

  127. sliderule says:

    Side: So are you advocating that the Oilers should hire a player development coach?

    Or are you advocating that Todd should teach less about systems and focus more on skill development?

    The oilers are a young team and I would like to see more emphasis on skill development.

    Hire a passing shooting coach.

    They have a goalie coach and a skating coach.Why not passing shooting

    Little known fact when Ron Low was coach he competed against the team in the practice shooting for the skills and beat them all.
    Ron was a goalie!
    What does that say about the skill of the shooters😄

  128. Wilde says:

    If we’re doing bold fantasy offseasons, here’s a fun fire and chaos version:

    Kreider – McDavid – Yamamoto

    Namestikov- Draisaitl – Puljujarvi

    Khaira – Strome – Ho-Sang

    Slepy – who cares – Aberg

    Klefbom – Larsson

    Nurse – Miller

    Sekera – Benning

    **** 3 way trade alert ****

    To EDM

    C. Miller
    V. Namestikov
    C. Kreider
    TBL or BOS 1st (24)

    To VGK

    30% of M. Lucic contract
    R. Nugent-Hopkins
    EDM 3rd 2018
    Kris Russell

    To NYR

    EDM 1st(7)
    M. Lucic
    Caleb Jones

    ***boring in comparison trade alert***

    To EDM

    Joshua Ho-Sang

    To NYI

    Tyler Benson

    In this timeline, TBL loses in the 2nd round to Boston, Vegas exits in the first round to Dallas.

    Marshessault gets injured in the playoffs and Vegas immediately hits the market emotionally as they stand to lose a lot in opportunity cost of not selling at the deadline. Tatar performs in the playoffs for them, and they decide to make another move for a forward in their prime with some term. They also have only a 2nd in the first 3 rounds this year, so they recoup with an early third.

    NYR continues the great fire sale. Not much to say here, historically no one has moved from 24 to 7 before. Last thing that was close was the Stepan-Raanta thing, so don’t balk at the cost too early. Gorton doesn’t care about keeping Spooner and Namestikov. from early reports of them being for sale instantly after arriving.

    The NYI is just a prospect for prospect trade of similar situations: risky picks in the 30’s that would go higher normally, but both presented their own risks. For anyone thinking this is unrealistic, note that Ho-Sang has not been called up despite the season imploding in front of them.

    Anyways, with the trades somewhat justified, this is a championship roster in my opinion. Four top 4 dmen who belong there, a third pairing that is not a weak spot at all, and an absolutely deadly top 9, top 10 in the league for sure.

  129. anduril says:

    Snowman: What?

    No winger on the team has more than 11 goals. Do you think maybe that has something to do with the poor powerplay? No d man has more than 6 goals and the guy that has 6 goals doesn’t play on the powerplay.

    As with basically every issue with this team…. it is the depth players that are the problem. Not the best player. You cannot have a good powerplay when 7 out of the 10 regular personnel don’t have more than 11 goals.

    Honestly. Whatever problem this team has… Connor is probably hiding how big a problem it actually is. And he doesn’t pick the team or choose the units and he can’t score for everyone else.

    That should be a general rule for all Oiler fans to remember… The Oilers suck at something? Just imagine how bad it would be without him and then thank the Gords that he wears an Oilers jersey.

    Look at the team Lemieux got 199 points on. I don’t disagree that there are real problems on this team.

  130. Scungilli Slushy says:

    The least the Oilers owe Connor is a shot at winning the scoring title again. He only gets one run at his career and the only reason he’s not destroying the league is his GM, coach and teammates. He might do it despite them.

    Only Nuge and Khaira have been other bright lights this season, Connor’s bright light blinds the entire league.

  131. Wilde says:

    SwedishPoster,

    This is a great post. I agree with everything in it especially the mind-boggling swap of Slepyshev and Pulju to the opposite of their (young) career position, on the same goddamn line to boot!

    My opinion is that we need to get Todd away from Jesse especially as soon as possible. He arrived at such a young age that his development is very impressionable right now. They can make him into whatever they want, and that scares me with the offensive track record of this coaching staff.

    When watching Jesse’s SM–Liiga and junior play, yes he wanted the puck all the time, but he didn’t necessarily shoot it every time.

    He’ll turn into a monster on the left side of the ice on the powerplay, pass or shoot, if we find some better coaching for him as soon as possible.

    Alpine,

    This is probably the most important signal we’ve gotten thus far, way more indicative than Chiarelli and Nicholson availabilities.

    –hudson–,

    All of this “eventually” stuff is hilarious with Todd. The time is now.

    If he’s expecting another period of time soon where he gets to truly tinker, he’s either gonna be jumbling lines and special units from day 1 next season, or is forecasting more meaningless games past this one.

  132. Side says:

    sliderule: The oilers are a young team and I would like to see more emphasis onskill development.

    Hire a passing shooting coach.

    They have a goalie coach and a skating coach.Why not passing shooting

    Little known fact when Ron Low was coach he competed against the team in the practice shooting for the skills and beat them all.
    Ron was a goalie!
    What does that say about the skill of the shooters

    Yeah I agree, I think a skill development coach would be good. But then again I don’t know the full responsibilities of the Oilers staff and if someone is already doing a similar role.

    I know they have a skating coach in Pelletier, but not sure about a skills coach.

    I just don’t think it’s Todd’s job to remind his players how to shoot a puck. lol.

  133. Andy Dufresne says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – If I were to guess: based on Nicolson saying the Fans are going to be excited about the changes once they understand: Coffey will be the PP coach, they will get some other sexy assitant coach, and Coach is on the hot seat

    – Kind of like Gibby with the Jays: recallteam had a brutal start last year (like the Oil)and another slow start like that word on the street is that Gibby is gone..Jays made some coach changes as well in the off-season..

    I hope youre right. Names aside….that would make me happy.

  134. Andy Dufresne says:

    SwedishPoster:
    I like Klefbom better when he’s paired with a more skilled less defensively inclined partner who he has to cover for, he contains himself more, less roaming, better positioning and he still finds ways to be involved in the good end. Bear is raw and rookie-y and we’ll see how he handles when the maximum focus of the first few NHL games wears off but the pairing sure has some nice features. Could be a thing.

    And yeah Klefbom looked good with Larsson who is the opposite of what I described but it seems most everyone plays well with Larsson.

    Åberg and Caggiula are terrible fits with RNH. Both wingers are bad at hitting lanes and finding good ice in the offensive zone, and RNH loves to find guys hitting those lanes.One of them might work because they aren’t afraid of tough areas and move their feet, but both naaah.

    I don’t get the why they insist on playing Jesse at LW and Sleppy at RW, to my eye both look more comfortable the other way around which make sense as that’s where they usually played pre-Oilers.

    It seems to me they are dead set to turn Jesse into a shooter. Imo he is more efficient when focusing on playmaking and instead shoots when he finds a good lane or room for his big onetimer. What’s so alluring with Jesse’s offensive skillset is that he’s got these physical tools and skating alongside real nice vision and creativity while also sporting a powerful, but not overly accurate, shot. Thus he can kill you in a lot of ways. You lose a lot of that if you try to turn him into a pure shooter. He’s not accurate enough to shoot whenever there’s an opening, he needs more target practice if he’s to join the of Ovies and Laines of the world and I doubt he’ll ever be truly efficient in that role. I also think he hits his mark better when he’s not thinking shoot all the time and instead is more poised and patient. Pulju is still very raw so it might be tempting to have him simplify his game but I think that’s a mistake and the team would be better off having him explore his full width as a player. There’ll be bumps in the road but the end product should be far better.

    About JP…….what line would you like to see him next year 1st 2nd 3rd? and with who?

  135. Doug McLachlan says:

    Andy Dufresne: About JP…….what line would you like to see him next year 1st 2nd 3rd? and with who?

    I was very partial to the Lucic – Draisaitl – Puljujarvi set up.

  136. VOR says:

    Am I the only one who thinks the 31 thoughts podcast briefly pulled the curtain back at Kingsway Mall?

    Katz wants coach fired. The way they set it up Gretzky was with the team to drop the hammer.

    Read the linked Twitter thread and listen to the actual podcast. If you agree with me that Katz wanted TMac gone and Gretzky was chomping at the bit then we have the obvious question.

    Why is TMac still the coach?

    I would think the obvious answer is because Katz was talked out it.

    That just kicks us on to the next question. Who talked him out of it?

    The Gretzky camp wanted it done. Katz wanted it done. Chiarelli has no power and Burger Bob is believed to be in the Gretzky group.

    So what happened?

    I think we just got a glimpse of the shoes of a Prince standing in the shadows. What his end game is I can’t imagine. But if Elliott and Jeff have their facts right then what the Owner wanted and what the Gretzky camp wanted mattered less than what this shadowy Prince wanted.

    The podcast goes on to say Katz is fuming, hopping mad. Yet nothing is being done. Someone has obviously convinced him this is not the time and possibly these are not the changes. This is happening despite the obvious interest the BOTB have in taking over. That is serious Mojo the Prince has.

    If I gamed that out correctly in the hands of this shadowy figure rests the fate of your Edmonton Oilers.

    .______________________________________________________________________________

    It did just occur to me that what the Prince might want is everything: part owner, President, GM, Coach and multiple Stanley Cups. Which leads me to wonder if I once met this Prince. Years ago I knew a ferocious young man who worshipped a legend who held all those positions and won a number of Cups. The young man told anyone who would listen that someday he would be the legend.

    For years that young man sat at the feet of the legend as he became the lion in winter. Today the ferocious young man wears fancy suits, talks in aimless platitudes and smiles vacuously, apparently getting paid to do nothing. He is an innocent idiot abroad in the land of smartest men in the room. Even the media have no interest in him. He is on nobody’s list of future NHL GMs.

    Except maybe his own.

    Slats is fond of saying “you make your own luck”.

    If you think I am being ridiculous give me one other name of somebody who could overrule Gretzy and Katz?

  137. Bobcaygeon says:

    jake70: Playing Lucic with 97 – If it’s to “get him (#27) going”, then this is unfair to McDavid, who, while out of playoffs, is still in in a race for Art Ross Trophy 2nd year in a row. Cmon TMac…brutal.

    We need to understand that the coach may have zero choice but to play Lucic with McDavid.
    I have to think with the amount of NHL games TM has coached that this could be coming from above him.

  138. Wilde says:

    VOR,

    The simple option may be the most likely:

    Nicholson has retreated to ‘evaluating’ after the close of the season, for all of the players, coach, and GM.

    Everyone’s got their chance, but it’s their last.

  139. Bobcaygeon says:

    VOR,

    I’m not sure Gretzky would allow Katz or Lowe to have the final say in the direction of the team with his interest involved. Lowe has a limited interest in this business venture or at the very least not as much as Gretzky interest.
    I honestly believe it’s a boardroom mentality were all members of the round table have a collective say, the nays won out this time.

  140. Pouzar says:

    Did Friedman really say on Stauffer’s show that Trotz may not be brought back?

  141. Wilde says:

    Super Sophisticated Basement Analysis:

    Team – pts % / / draft placing with highest odds / / chance of top 3 – chance of Dahlin

    ARI– 0.402 / / 4th @ 51.9% / / 48.1% – 18%

    BUF – 0.404 / / 4th @ 33.7% / / 36.2% – 12.5%
    —————————————————
    OTT – 0.432 / / 5th @ 39.1% / / 31.2% – 10.5%

    VAN – 0.440 / / 6th @ 35.5% / / 28.6% – 9.5%
    —————————————————
    MTL – 0.455 / / 6th @ 32.8% / / 25.9% – 8.5%

    EDM – 0.462 / / 7th @ 38.2% / / 23.4% – 7.6%
    —————————————————
    DET – 0.470 / / 8th @ 39.7% / / 20.9% – 6.7%

    CHI/NYR – 0.485 / / 9th @ 38.1% / / 18.3% – 5.8%

    As predicted, MTL has passed EDM in the sweepstakes.

    I’m writing this while watching a game in which CBJ have gone up 3-1 on DET. So they’re likely to close on us as well.

    As you can see, on our side of the lottery area, the biggest difference is the lowest you can drop, then the placing of your most likely pick, followed by your top 3%, and then the smallest margin is the difference of your chance at Dahlin. Where the only big jump spot to spot is 30 and 31st in the standings.

    So the purpose of finishing close to the bottom is mostly to guarantee you can’t be fucked too hard, not really your chances at top 3/1.

  142. Scungilli Slushy says:

    knighttown:
    Connor McDavid…

    I’ve never seen anything like his 3rd period and overtime.How does someone expend that much energy and still never come off the ice? The answer must be that he’s not expending that much energy.His typical skating is as fast as most players turbo skating and for him it must be almost like rest.So he sort of swoops around the ice at NHL speed but unlike everyone else who is losing energy he’s resting.Then when he sees a chance he explodes.

    He was in on 15 of 18 scoring chances according to Bruce’s review at CoH? He played over 27 minutes.C’mon.

    He’s skating is super human but his stick handling and brain might be better.

    He routinely faces MVP candidates like Tavares and Kucherov and they look like chumps in comparison.

    I know he won’t win the Hart because…playoffs but if anyone wins the Pearson for the next 10 years it’s because they’re looking for a reason.

    I’m going to say it…I’m 42 and never saw Orr…but I don’t think I’ve ever seen a better hockey player.

    Each truly special player is unique. Connor is clearly one of them already.

    I’m a little older than you but didn’t see Orr ina meaningful way, too young.

    I don’t think he’s in the convo with the top 3 yet – Gretzky Orr and Lemieux.

    Gretzky and Orr changed the game completely. Rules were changed to try to stop Gretzky, it dinner work much. Orr won the scoring race as a defenceman, unheard of in his time.

    Gretzky had nowhere near the physical skills Connor had other than drive and stamina.

    However he used his whole team and that made him unstoppable. Potvin spoke about other great players trying to beat him one on one (which Lemieux was probably the best ever at). This is what Connor does.

    He said Gretzky created pandemonium in the D zone because he kept doing what no one expected and had that ability to weave through a hole team and keep possession setting up often a teammate.

    Gretzky was not good on breakaways and didn’t have a strong shot, but it was so accurate he’d find the soft spot. After his 92 goal year which I think he went after because of criticism, he returned to more set ups, his pedestrian goal totals still ridiculous for mortals.

    Which is why I have said in the past if Connor ever becomes a dangerous shooter he will be unstoppable with his speed and vision. Sadly it is not often that everything falls on one person. Maybe he can, but even if he doesn’t if he stays healthy he will have a special place in the HOF.

    Which is also why the biggest thing to accomplish this lost year is help him win another scoring title and build his legacy. They can audition people while giving him what he needs. Maybe Nuge CMD Leon and let the rest prove themselves.

  143. Lowetide says:

    For the Athletic: Oilers looking for a power-play puck mover
    https://theathletic.com/266501/2018/03/09/lowetide-hard-target-search-power-play-puck-mover/

  144. OmJo says:

    Wilde: who cares

    Some say Who Cares is almost as good as Cap Space, but has a higher ceiling.

  145. JimmyV1965 says:

    So Friedman is now speculating that Paul Coffey will be coaching in Edmonton; either as a head coach or asst coach. Where the hell is all this speculation coming from? Coffey has never been a head coach at any level anywhere. I’m not even sure he’s been an asst coach. I think he’s been a special teams guy and skills coach, but that’s it. It might be that the mngt of this team is in utter disarray. However, maybe Friedman is trying to drive people to his new podcast. Everyone knows Oiler fans are amongst the most rabid consumers of new media. A good place to start a new podcast is to tap into that demand. I certainly bought into it. I wouldn’t have downloaded the podcast if it wasn’t for the controversial things he is saying. This, of course, is all speculation on my part.

  146. Munny says:

    VOR,

    Wouldn’t that be backstabbing Gretz? Would The Prince do that?

  147. Bad Seed says:

    VOR,

    Very thought provoking as always. I’m assuming you’re talking about Messier?

  148. VOR says:

    I have no idea. When I knew them they were closer than brothers. Though he was always leader of the pack.

    But I find it impossible to believe the young man I knew, arguably the most competitive person I ever met, is happy being a paid hanger on.

    He is certainly the only person in Oilers management who could say to Katz and Gretzky you shouldn’t fire Todd and make it stick.

  149. Harpers Hair says:

    VOR:
    Am I the only one who thinks the 31 thoughts podcast briefly pulled the curtain back at Kingsway Mall?

    Katz wants coach fired. The way they set it up Gretzky was with the team to drop the hammer.

    Read the linked Twitter thread and listen to the actual podcast. If you agree with me that Katz wanted TMac gone and Gretzky was chomping at the bit then we have the obvious question.

    Why is TMac still the coach?

    I would think the obvious answer is because Katz was talked out it.

    That just kicks us on to the next question. Who talked him out of it?

    The Gretzky camp wanted it done. Katz wanted it done. Chiarelli has no power and Burger Bob is believed to be in the Gretzky group.

    So what happened?

    I think we just got a glimpse of the shoes of a Prince standing in the shadows. What his end game is I can’t imagine. But if Elliott and Jeff have their facts right then what the Owner wanted and what the Gretzky camp wanted mattered less than what this shadowy Prince wanted.

    The podcast goes on to say Katz is fuming, hopping mad. Yet nothing is being done. Someone has obviously convinced him this is not the time and possibly these are not the changes. This is happening despite the obvious interest the BOTB have in taking over. That is serious Mojo the Prince has.

    If I gamed that out correctly in the hands of this shadowy figure rests the fate of your Edmonton Oilers.

    .______________________________________________________________________________

    It did just occur to me that what the Prince might want is everything: part owner, President, GM, Coach and multiple Stanley Cups. Which leads me to wonder if I once met this Prince. Years ago I knew a ferocious young man who worshipped a legend who held all those positions and won a number of Cups. The young man told anyone who would listen that someday he would be the legend.

    For years that young man sat at the feet of the legend as he became the lion in winter. Today the ferocious young man wears fancy suits, talks in aimless platitudes and smiles vacuously, apparently getting paid to do nothing. He is an innocent idiot abroad in the land of smartest men in the room. Even the media have no interest in him. He is on nobody’s list of future NHL GMs.

    Except maybe his own.

    Slats is fond of saying “you make your own luck”.

    If you think I am being ridiculous give me one other name of somebody who could overrule Gretzy and Katz?

    Nailed it.

  150. VOR says:

    Bad Seed:
    VOR,

    Very thought provoking as always.I’m assuming you’re talking about Messier?

    Bad Seed:
    VOR,

    Very thought provoking as always.I’m assuming you’re talking about Messier?

    Yes, I am suggesting that Mark Messier would like to be GM of the Oilers and may not be quite the empty shell he appears.

  151. Harpers Hair says:

    VOR:
    Yes, I am suggesting that Mark Messier would like to be GM of the Oilers and may not be quite the empty shell he appears.

    Rebuild 4.0

  152. Munny says:

    VOR,

    True, but I think he has been offered “more formal” apprenticeships in the past and has declined. Why do so if you have ambitions? Timing maybe.

    Not sure what turns his crank these days, but he has always seemed pretty attached to Virginia Beach.

    That said, even Semenko could get out of his caftan and sandals every now and then and go to work.

  153. flyfish1168 says:

    I sure hope Katz is just mad about what is happening with his Oilers and NOT trying to dictate players trades and who to hire as coach and GM. It seems to often when successful businessmen start to own sports teams they think they know everything. Some even think they know how to run a country.

    We need people that have experience. Yes, it has been a bad year. PC and Tmac have not looked good. But bringing in totally new people is not the answer. I do like the idea of changing up the assistant coaches. Hiring some with head coaching experience would be a good thing.

  154. VOR says:

    I want to be very clear. I am guessing. I haven’t seen or talked with Mark or talked about him in 25+ years.

    The idea literally came to me while I was writing.

    It is a pure crazy stab in the dark.

    I have no evidence and have talked with no one related to the Oilers organization nor any former Oilers.

  155. Munny says:

    VOR,

    I think we all know you’re speculating, but it is undeniably speculation worth considering and analyzing. Thank you for putting it out there.

    I have no idea what Katz is thinking, but I can’t see another OBC, whether 99 or 11, calming the fires. Might even make it worse.

  156. Bad Seed says:

    Munny,

    It would be pretty funny if Messier takes the job and then cleans house.

  157. VOR says:

    Munny:
    VOR,

    I think we all know you’re speculating, but it is undeniably speculation worth considering and analyzing. Thank you for putting it out there.

    I have no idea what Katz is thinking, but I can’t see another OBC, whether 99 or 11, calming the fires.Might even make it worse.

    I know I talk a lot about the past and past glories. However, I think successful organizations are forward thinking. I don’t believe any of the BOTB would take the Oilers boldly into the future. I think it would be foolish to let them try.

  158. OmJo says:

    Interesting speculation to say the least. Maybe Messier will be our Yzerman.

    That would be awesome if it turned out that way. Though important to note Yzerman isn’t the GM of the Red Wings. I know everybody hates the idea of the OBC having anything to do with this team but if some of them can lead this team to glory (and then the rest resign once and for all from hockey management, end their careers on a high note – I’m talking about Lowe et al, not the Messier cluster) it would be kind of nice. Poetic in a way. I think it’d give everybody closure once and for all.

    Or maybe the Oilers have driven me over the edge and I’m slowly going insane. That’d be fun too, I guess.

  159. OmJo says:

    Bad Seed:
    Munny,

    It would be pretty funny if Messier takes the job and then cleans house.

    Coup d’état!

  160. Harpers Hair says:

    OmJo:
    Interesting speculation to say the least. Maybe Messier will be our Yzerman.

    That would be awesome if it turned out that way. Though important to note Yzerman isn’t the GM of the Red Wings. I know everybody hates the idea of the OBC having anything to do with this team but if some of them can lead this team to glory (and then the rest resign once and for all from hockey management, end their careers on a high note – I’m talking about Lowe et al, not the Messier cluster) it would be kind of nice. Poetic in a way. I think it’d give everybody closure once and for all.

    Or maybe the Oilers have driven me over the edge and I’m slowly going insane. That’d be fun too, I guess.

    Same shit…different pile.

  161. godot10 says:

    SwedishPoster:
    I like Klefbom better when he’s paired with a more skilled less defensively inclined partner who he has to cover for, he contains himself more, less roaming, better positioning and he still finds ways to be involved in the good end. Bear is raw and rookie-y and we’ll see how he handles when the maximum focus of the first few NHL games wears off but the pairing sure has some nice features. Could be a thing.

    And yeah Klefbom looked good with Larsson who is the opposite of what I described but it seems most everyone plays well with Larsson.

    Åberg and Caggiula are terrible fits with RNH. Both wingers are bad at hitting lanes and finding good ice in the offensive zone, and RNH loves to find guys hitting those lanes.One of them might work because they aren’t afraid of tough areas and move their feet, but both naaah.

    I don’t get the why they insist on playing Jesse at LW and Sleppy at RW, to my eye both look more comfortable the other way around which make sense as that’s where they usually played pre-Oilers.

    It seems to me they are dead set to turn Jesse into a shooter. Imo he is more efficient when focusing on playmaking and instead shoots when he finds a good lane or room for his big onetimer. What’s so alluring with Jesse’s offensive skillset is that he’s got these physical tools and skating alongside real nice vision and creativity while also sporting a powerful, but not overly accurate, shot. Thus he can kill you in a lot of ways. You lose a lot of that if you try to turn him into a pure shooter. He’s not accurate enough to shoot whenever there’s an opening, he needs more target practice if he’s to join the of Ovies and Laines of the world and I doubt he’ll ever be truly efficient in that role. I also think he hits his mark better when he’s not thinking shoot all the time and instead is more poised and patient. Pulju is still very raw so it might be tempting to have him simplify his game but I think that’s a mistake and the team would be better off having him explore his full width as a player. There’ll be bumps in the road but the end product should be far better.

    Are you available to coach the Oilers? #AskingForAFriend

    The first part is exactly on point. Klefbom SHOULD always be paired with a defensemen who is weaker defensively than he is (but is a solid mobile offensive D).

    Klefbom’s neurons misfire when he is the offensive member of a D pairing, and the Oilers current coaching staff keep trying him to be an offensive defensemen. That is NOT what Klefbom is. They’ve put these delusions of offensive grandeur in his head, when he is best when he is slotted in a nuts-and-bolts role.

    Less is more with Klefbom. The coaching staff is pushing more, and getting less with Klefbom because of their handling of him.

    And you also correctly identify the mistake they are making with Puljujarvi.

    Instead of finding the proper role for the players they have, they are trying to force players into predefined roles they have in their systems.

  162. OmJo says:

    Harpers Hair: Same shit…different pile.

    The new pile might be a better fertilizer lol

  163. Scungilli Slushy says:

    OmJo:
    Interesting speculation to say the least. Maybe Messier will be our Yzerman.

    That would be awesome if it turned out that way. Though important to note Yzerman isn’t the GM of the Red Wings. I know everybody hates the idea of the OBC having anything to do with this team but if some of them can lead this team to glory (and then the rest resign once and for all from hockey management, end their careers on a high note – I’m talking about Lowe et al, not the Messier cluster) it would be kind of nice. Poetic in a way. I think it’d give everybody closure once and for all.

    Or maybe the Oilers have driven me over the edge and I’m slowly going insane. That’d be fun too, I guess.

    Along the lines of ‘The Wobbly Boot” and other stats pieces good fortune is a far bigger influence on people’s success than they realize when it goes their way.

    Yzerman played for an org that went skill first out of necessity in an era when other league’s were under scouted.

    So his mind set may be no less influenced by his experience than Lowe etc. As it turns out the league started calling more obstruction and head injury potential big time law suits in other sports and the NHL has forced Bettman the lawyer to respect a massive potential loss.

    Not to mention the blemish on his legacy, meaning the league won’t backtrack to Road Warrior hockey as it’s done before, after periods of clarity.

    So SY looks like a genius, and has shown skill in accepting overpays for his players from bad or snookered GM’s.

    If the league had not gone in a way to allow smaller players to succeed he might look as out of it as PC does now.

    The thing is anybody can see their mistakes and use the embarrassment or whatever as motivation to learn and change. That does not seem like an Oiler thing, even with all of these ‘new’ guys.

  164. anjinsan says:

    F Chiarelli and Katz

  165. OmJo says:

    Scungilli Slushy: The thing is anybody can see their mistakes and use the embarrassment or whatever as motivation to learn and change. That does not seem like an Oiler thing, even with all of these ‘new’ guys.

    I have to agree with this. The management of this team has always found a scapegoat, always somebody else to blame but themselves. Chia and TMac don’t seem any different.

    The thing about Messier is he wasn’t around during the DoD, he was in NY under the wing of Glen Sather. That’s a big reason why I think he could have success as a GM, if not in Edmonton, somewhere in the league. He was around an environment where management would have been held accountable more than in Edmonton. He saw Sather make bad moves and good moves (for example, signing Scott Gomez and then trading him for McDonough).

    Damn. I’m full on advocating for Messier as GM. I need sleep.

    But seriously though, of all the OBC I think Messier could have the most success as a GM. I’m willing to eat crow on this statement if he is named a GM somewhere and fails miserably.

  166. JimmyV1965 says:

    godot10: Are you available to coach the Oilers?#AskingForAFriend

    The first part is exactly on point.Klefbom SHOULD always be paired with a defensemen who is weaker defensively than he is (but is a solid mobile offensive D).

    Klefbom’s neurons misfire when he is the offensive member of a D pairing, and the Oilers current coaching staff keep trying him to be an offensive defensemen.That is NOT what Klefbom is.They’ve put these delusions of offensive grandeur in his head, when he is best when he is slotted in a nuts-and-bolts role.

    Less is more with Klefbom.The coaching staff is pushing more, and getting less with Klefbom because of their handling of him.

    And you also correctly identify the mistake they are making with Puljujarvi.

    Instead of finding the proper role for the players they have, they are trying to force players into predefined roles they have in their systems.

    Yet he was much better last year paired with Larsson.

  167. Melvis says:

    JimmyV1965: Coffey has never been a head coach at any level anywhere. I’m not even sure he’s been an asst coach.

    Coffey has coached the Toronto Marlboros midget ‘AAA’ team, fwiw.

    http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/hall-of-famer-coffey-in-hot-water-after-discriminatory-slur

  168. russ99 says:

    I don’t want any 80s.ex-Oiler or OBC lifer or relatives anywhere near hockey decisions,

    There’s a rot in the organization and we need to cut it out, not add more layers to enable MacTavish, Howson and Sutter to continue without accountability. .

    There’s plenty of quality candidates elsewhere where we don’t need dip into the drank with Katz or Oilers lifer pool.

  169. JimmyV1965 says:

    Melvis: Coffey has coached the Toronto Marlboros midget ‘AAA’ team, fwiw.

    http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/hall-of-famer-coffey-in-hot-water-after-discriminatory-slur

    I stand corrected. I knew he was on the coaching. I thought he was a skills coach.

  170. deardylan says:

    Loved reading the highlights of Lowetide especially this sentence…

    “I honestly sat in awe of his performance in the third period, it is something I’ll remember a long time.”

    I showed my Vietnamese wife the highlights of the game and she McDavid looks as fast in slow motion as other players do in normal motion. Maybe Connor needs to be drafted to a new league. NHL is too slow for him.

    #KingMcDavid #KucherovGoliath

  171. Wilde says:

    JimmyV1965: Yet he was much better last year paired with Larsson.

    He was healthy and in front of a top 5 goaltender, too.

    Scungilli Slushy: Along the lines of ‘The Wobbly Boot” and other stats pieces good fortune is a far bigger influence on people’s success than they realize when it goes their way.

    Yzerman played for an org that went skill first out of necessity in an era when other league’s were under scouted.

    So his mind set may be no less influenced by his experience than Lowe etc. As it turns out the league started calling more obstruction and head injury potential big time law suits in other sports and the NHL has forced Bettman the lawyer to respect a massive potential loss.

    Not to mention theblemish on his legacy, meaning the league won’t backtrack to Road Warrior hockey as it’s done before, after periods of clarity.

    So SY looks like a genius, and has shown skill in accepting overpays for his players from bad or snookered GM’s.

    If the league had not gone in a way to allow smaller players to succeed he might look as out of it as PC does now.

    The thing is anybody can see their mistakes and use the embarrassment or whatever as motivation to learn and change. That does not seem like an Oiler thing, even with all of these ‘new’ guys.

    There’s too much evidence in too many areas of Tampa being the class of the league and ahead of the curve for there to be enough legitimate excuses to underplay their success.

    It’s not that the league went the way of smaller forwards and Tampa benefitted, it’s that Tampa’s destroying the league with smaller forwards and now the league is going that way.

    It’s not just Yzerman, but his willingness and cunning in building a top council in the league has to be given credit.

    He has the best AGM, a top 3 HC, top 5 scouting, etc.

    Although what might be more important is that Vinik has been unbelievably good to their city and franchise.

  172. Professor Q says:

    VOR:
    Am I the only one who thinks the 31 thoughts podcast briefly pulled the curtain back at Kingsway Mall?

    Katz wants coach fired. The way they set it up Gretzky was with the team to drop the hammer.

    Read the linked Twitter thread and listen to the actual podcast. If you agree with me that Katz wanted TMac gone and Gretzky was chomping at the bit then we have the obvious question.

    Why is TMac still the coach?

    I would think the obvious answer is because Katz was talked out it.

    That just kicks us on to the next question. Who talked him out of it?

    The Gretzky camp wanted it done. Katz wanted it done. Chiarelli has no power and Burger Bob is believed to be in the Gretzky group.

    So what happened?

    I think we just got a glimpse of the shoes of a Prince standing in the shadows. What his end game is I can’t imagine. But if Elliott and Jeff have their facts right then what the Owner wanted and what the Gretzky camp wanted mattered less than what this shadowy Prince wanted.

    The podcast goes on to say Katz is fuming, hopping mad. Yet nothing is being done. Someone has obviously convinced him this is not the time and possibly these are not the changes. This is happening despite the obvious interest the BOTB have in taking over. That is serious Mojo the Prince has.

    If I gamed that out correctly in the hands of this shadowy figure rests the fate of your Edmonton Oilers.

    .______________________________________________________________________________

    It did just occur to me that what the Prince might want is everything: part owner, President, GM, Coach and multiple Stanley Cups. Which leads me to wonder if I once met this Prince. Years ago I knew a ferocious young man who worshipped a legend who held all those positions and won a number of Cups. The young man told anyone who would listen that someday he would be the legend.

    For years that young man sat at the feet of the legend as he became the lion in winter. Today the ferocious young man wears fancy suits, talks in aimless platitudes and smiles vacuously, apparently getting paid to do nothing. He is an innocent idiot abroad in the land of smartest men in the room. Even the media have no interest in him. He is on nobody’s list of future NHL GMs.

    Except maybe his own.

    Slats is fond of saying “you make your own luck”.

    If you think I am being ridiculous give me one other name of somebody who could overrule Gretzy and Katz?

    So, this would be one Ales Hemsky, the Pardubice Prince?

  173. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Wilde: He was healthy and in front of a top 5 goaltender, too.

    There’s too much evidence in too many areas of Tampa being the class of the league and ahead of the curve for there to be enough legitimate excuses to underplay their success.

    It’s not that the league went the way of smaller forwards and Tampa benefitted, it’s that Tampa’s destroying the league with smaller forwards and now the league is going that way.

    It’s not just Yzerman, but his willingness and cunning in building a top council in the league has to be given credit.

    He has the best AGM, a top 3 HC, top 5 scouting, etc.

    Although what might be more important is that Vinik has been unbelievably good to their city and franchise.

    I can’t agree Wilde. The change in the league started after the last lockout and as lawsuits mounted. Chicago changed the tone by winning 3 which moved things away from the heavy hockey mindset the Oilers still dwell in.

    I agree Yzerman has been good, my point being the NHL moved into his wheelhouse and his owner seems like a thinking human like so few others. Those things happened around Yzerman, he didn’t create them. Yes he took the job but the owner still could have been worse, everyone sounds good in interviews.

    He’s smart enough not to cock it up so far.

    Maybe the Oilers ideas are right. LT advocates for a mix of players. Playoffs are different than reg season and usually trend to a style that suits stronger players. Skating to me might be even more important.

    So Chia got the plan right in broadening the scope of players. But in doing so bled too much talent and ignored the skating thing until his team got so slow even scouts comments about it started being published. Now he’s all about the speed. Duh.

  174. Ryan says:

    VOR:
    Am I the only one who thinks the 31 thoughts podcast briefly pulled the curtain back at Kingsway Mall?

    Katz wants coach fired. The way they set it up Gretzky was with the team to drop the hammer.

    Read the linked Twitter thread and listen to the actual podcast. If you agree with me that Katz wanted TMac gone and Gretzky was chomping at the bit then we have the obvious question.

    Why is TMac still the coach?

    I would think the obvious answer is because Katz was talked out it.

    That just kicks us on to the next question. Who talked him out of it?

    The Gretzky camp wanted it done. Katz wanted it done. Chiarelli has no power and Burger Bob is believed to be in the Gretzky group.

    So what happened?

    I think we just got a glimpse of the shoes of a Prince standing in the shadows. What his end game is I can’t imagine. But if Elliott and Jeff have their facts right then what the Owner wanted and what the Gretzky camp wanted mattered less than what this shadowy Prince wanted.

    The podcast goes on to say Katz is fuming, hopping mad. Yet nothing is being done. Someone has obviously convinced him this is not the time and possibly these are not the changes. This is happening despite the obvious interest the BOTB have in taking over. That is serious Mojo the Prince has.

    If I gamed that out correctly in the hands of this shadowy figure rests the fate of your Edmonton Oilers.

    .______________________________________________________________________________

    It did just occur to me that what the Prince might want is everything: part owner, President, GM, Coach and multiple Stanley Cups. Which leads me to wonder if I once met this Prince. Years ago I knew a ferocious young man who worshipped a legend who held all those positions and won a number of Cups. The young man told anyone who would listen that someday he would be the legend.

    For years that young man sat at the feet of the legend as he became the lion in winter. Today the ferocious young man wears fancy suits, talks in aimless platitudes and smiles vacuously, apparently getting paid to do nothing. He is an innocent idiot abroad in the land of smartest men in the room. Even the media have no interest in him. He is on nobody’s list of future NHL GMs.

    Except maybe his own.

    Slats is fond of saying “you make your own luck”.

    If you think I am being ridiculous give me one other name of somebody who could overrule Gretzy and Katz?

    I’m not sure, but I’ll mull over it as I have my first cup of Coffey.

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