G68 2017-18: Wild at Oilers

After 67 games, this year’s Edmonton Oilers have scored 185 goals (NHL average: 199) and allowed 219 (NHL average: 199). That’s minus 14 in GF and minus 20 in GA. The cruelest stats come from special teams. NHL average PP goals for (41) is 17 more than Edmonton’s total (24); the average penalty kill has yielded 41 goals, Edmonton 53. So, a team that is minus 34 overall is minus 29 goals in special teams. What a miserable year.

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SPRING FORWARD, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • March 2016: 3-1-0, goal differential +3 (6 points)
  • March 2017: 2-1-1, goal differential +1 (5 points)
  • March 2018: 2-2-0, goal differential -2 (4 points)
  • March 8, 2016: San Jose 3, Edmonton 0 (Source)
  • March 14, 2017: Edmonton 7, Dallas 1 (Source)

Edmonton’s win on Thursday got them back to .500 for the month of March. Many of you have suggested in the comments section that the rest of the season doesn’t matter. Wins and losses and points aren’t the most important thing, but things like Jujhar Khaira and Ethan Bear getting opportunities is a big deal. It’s really too bad there aren’t two or three wingers on the farm who can be recalled at this time.

AFTER 67, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers 15-16: 25-35-7, goal differential -43 (57 points)
  • Oilers 16-17: 36-22-9, goal differential +21 (81 points)
  • Oilers 17-18: 29-34-4, goal differential -34 (62 points)
  • March 6, 2016: Edmonton 2, Winnipeg 1 (Source)
  • March 12, 2017: Montreal 4, Edmonton 1 (Source)

One thing the Oilers should be doing is ripping the daylights out of that minus 34 number. What a terrible reflection of this team, zero excuse for the special teams to be this far asunder. Heads will roll, wonder if they’re going to be the ones you want. That’s kind of what we’re waiting for, like ghouls. Hate this part of hockey.

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM MARCH

  • At home to: Nashville, NY Rangers, Arizona, NY Islanders, Minnesota (Expected 2-3-0) (Actual 2-2-0)
  • On the road to: Calgary (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: San Jose (Expected 0-0-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Florida, Tampa Bay, Carolina, Ottawa (Expected 1-2-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Los Angeles, Anaheim, Columbus (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Vancouver, Calgary (Expected 1-0-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 6-7-3, 15 points in 16 games
  • Current results: 2-2-0, 4 points in four games

LAST 10 GAMES

  • Milan Lucic (10, 1-1-2)Connor McDavid (10, 8-7-15)Leon Draisaitl (10, 4-6-10)
  • Mike Cammalleri (9, 0-6-6)Ryan Nugent-Hopkins (3, 1-1-2)Pontus Aberg (5, 0-1-1)
  • Anton Slepyshev (10, 2-2-4)Ryan Strome (10, 5-4-9)Jesse Puljujarvi (10, 2-1-3)
  • Drake Caggiula (8, 0-1-1)Jujhar Khaira (10, 3-0-3)Zack Kassian (8, 1-0-1)
  • Iiro Pakarinen (8, 1-0-1)
  • Darnell Nurse (10, 0-2-2)Adam Larsson (7, 0-2-2)
  • Oscar Klefbom (10, 1-3-4)Matt Benning (9, 0-5-5)
  • Andrej Sekera (7, 0-2-2)Kris Russell (8, 0-1-1)
  • Ethan Bear (4, 0-1-1)
  • Cam Talbot (9, 2.74 .920)Al Montoya (1, 4.76 .891)

 

  • Cam Talbot has enjoyed what I think is his strongest 10-game run this season. It’s important for him to have some success, still think the team needs a more substantial backup. I spoke to Pierrre Lebrun about it this week, he’s been saying teams need to have a fresh starter for the playoffs for some time now. Talbot’s workload a year ago surely had an impact on him this year, no? I think that’s an argument you can make.
  • Connor McDavid is impossible. He towers over the rest of the roster.
  • Leon Draisaitl is of this earth, but very good and delivering at an 82-point pace in the last 10 games. Have to play him on a No. 2 line all season in 2018-19. There’s no choice.
  • Ryan Strome had his best 10-game run as an Oilers player. The number would have been higher but Jesse Puljujarvi didn’t cash all of his cheques. He has taken 15 shots to score those five goals, so is on a very nice run of good fortune.
  • Mike Cammalleri is a sticking point for many of you but holy hell boys perhaps we should wait for someone to outplay the veteran before replacing him. Pontus Aberg is playing well enough to stay in the lineup but that’s not a high bar with this group of wingers.
  • Jujhar Khaira is getting lots of love and rightly so. He’s scoring from the depths of the roster and may get a push before season’s end.
  • Bakersfield had a costly loss last night, I think we could see a recall in the coming days.
  • Darnell Nurse and Adam Larsson are having success on the top pairing, I see them as more shutdown types and wonder if the Oilers would be wise to break them up. Perhaps next season.
  • Oscar Klefbom is closing well, despite controversy about his health and whether he should be playing at all.
  • Matt Benning has played well in this 10-game set, I would pull Andrej Sekera from the lineup.
  • Ethan Bear had his best game Thursday, wonder how many more he’ll get?

DRIVING WHEEL

I am still reading about Peter Chiarelli’s gameplan in replacing Taylor Hall and cannot believe how many people are wrong on a simple point. On the day PC dealt Hall, the following men had performed thusly in the most recent NHL season:

  1. Taylor Hall 82gp, 26-39-65
  2. Leon Draisaitl 72gp, 19-32-51
  3. Connor McDavid 45gp, 16-32-48
  4. Jordan Eberle 69gp, 25-22-47
  5. Benoit Pouliot 55gp, 14-22-36
  6. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 52gp, 12-22-34

Draisaitl was already on the team, he couldn’t replace Hall. No sir. Chiarelli’s decision, the one we should be discussing, is the choice made on the draft floor. We know there was a trade brewing before Columbus picked PLD and it fell apart afterward. Peter Chiarelli, in selecting Jesse Puljujarvi, added a future ‘push the river’ replacement for Hall. He would later add a veteran option in Milan Lucic to help immediately. Leon was never an option to replace Hall, he was already part of the driving wheel that included him.

That doesn’t change the Hall trade, or improve the look for Chiarelli, but it does put the facts in the right place. Important to do. If Puljujarvi can eventually push the riverand we certainly can’t know that yet—the mistake of the trade will be the number of years it took JP to reach that level. This is year two.

WHO ARE THEY MOVING?

I’ve been getting some unusual dm’s and emails in the last few days. People suggesting Chiarelli would be wise to move the first-round draft pick or Jesse Puljujarvi, as opposed to Nuge or Oscar Klefbom. I think that’s bass ackwards.

  • You keep the pick because that player could be another impact player. You may have to trade one of the river pushers due to cap down the line, grab one if you get the chance. This player will also be ineligible for the Seattle expansion draft.
  • You keep Jesse Puljujarvi because he could be another impact player. I sense the team thought they were getting McDavid’s shooter, and that hasn’t been a quick adjustment. Even without that element, this is a grand talent.
  • You keep Klefbom because he’s a $4 million defender who has already scored 38 points and can wheel. Even if he plays 60 games every second season, he’s a value contract for the next one. You don’t trade these guys. Seriously.
  • You keep RNH because he’s your most capable two-way center and that’s a very important part of building a winning team.

You may ask yourself “who do they trade?” and my answer is Milan Lucic if you can, Zack Kassian, Drake Caggiula, Ryan Strome, Matt Benning, Andrej Sekera or Kris Russell if you can. Get good players, keep good players. Why do the Oilers approach every offseason with a list of quality talent on the ‘assets out’ list? This team badly needs a small bet, a Jan Hejda or Steve Staios bet, to cash. You don’t make a bet like that by sending Oscar Klefbom away in the deal because you’re already screwed if you do.

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  1. Melman says:

    Happy Saturday all. The most confounding/frustrating thing is the organization’s inability to learn from 13 years worth of past mistakes, irrespective of who is sitting in the gm’s chair (or in some cases behind the bench). What team flat out wastes 3 years of Connor McDavid’s ELC? It’s mind-boggling.

  2. Mr DeBakey says:

    This team badly needs a small bet, a Jan Hejda

    The problem is that ALL the guys who made the decision to let Hejda walk are still drawing pay cheques from the Oilers.

  3. Halfwise says:

    Maybe there’s a Suter for Lucic trade opportunity that gives the two GMs a chance to camouflage their mistakes.

    Old article:
    http://www.startribune.com/nhl-insider-parise-suter-contracts-might-cost-wild-down-the-line/282831691/

  4. Jethro Tull says:

    Once again, we’re full circle. Trading our shite for other team’s good players. Nobody wants those players as they currently play, LT.

    Use the pick unless it’s Dahlin. 1) We have trouble developing high picks that aren’t quite NHL ready. 2) You don’t miss what you never had. 3) JP could end up stayinf a 3rd line guy. It looks as likely as him becoming a river pusher. Trade him before people find out we screwed up another prospect.

    Your take has Chia pretty much doing what he did last off season. He can’t afford that. Maybe Maroon comes back cheap. But that list of players aren’t getting us anybody of note. And Lucic waiving his NTC after this season? I don’t think he’s the kind of guy to do that.

  5. Pouzar says:

    Couldn’t agree more with that last section.

  6. Lowetide says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Once again, we’re full circle. Trading our shite for other team’s good players. Nobody wants those players as they currently play, LT.

    Use the pick unless it’s Dahlin. 1) We have trouble developing high picks that aren’t quite NHL ready. 2) You don’t miss what you never had. 3) JP could end up stayinf a 3rd line guy. It looks as likely as him becoming a river pusher. Trade him before people find out we screwed up another prospect.

    Your take has Chia pretty much doing what he did last off season. He can’t afford that. Maybe Maroon comes back cheap. But that list of players aren’t getting us anybody of note. And Lucic waiving his NTC after this season? I don’t think he’s the kind of guy to do that.

    Puljujarvi as McDavid’s shooter, Leon on a designated No. 2 line, perhaps with Nuge as his partner, Lucic relegated to the 3line with Strome or Khaira, a healthier defense. All of those things are internal.

    Grab a substantial backup who can push Talbot, find a way to acquire Brandon Montour or similar and cast about looking for the new Maroon. I wrote about it here. It’s the right thing to do.

    https://theathletic.com/228325/2018/02/02/lowetide-oilers-badly-need-a-long-boring-uneventful-yet-effective-summer/

  7. slopitch says:

    I’m with ya LT. Kinda echoed the same opinion last night with you on Twitter (I’m @frozenpools). I think the Seattle expansion makes that pick untradeable. Plus they already tried accelerating things and blew it on Reinhart. Keep the picks, build from within (like the Preds and Jets have) and plan for a contending team In spring 2020 is what I’d do. I’d lean towards keeping Strome right now. His game is changing now for the better. Jmo

  8. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – I don’t get the “trade Milan if you can” and am surprised that LT is now entering that discussion

    – Milan can’t/won’t be traded in a hockey trade for many years, given his NMC . Perhaps for the Seattle draft they send Milan and a draft pick. Perhaps during lock-out there is a window, Perhaps he goes on LTIR at some point because of his back condition: HE IS NOT GETTING TRADED THOUGH!

    – Fantasy discussions about how much better this team would be if we could just get rid of Lucic: what’s the point? My life would be so much better if I could sell my house and not pay off the mortgage when I did, and if someone pays well over asking price.

  9. Woogie63 says:

    Melman:
    Happy Saturday all.The most confounding/frustrating thing is the organization’s inability to learn from 13 years worth of past mistakes, irrespective of who is sitting in the gm’s chair (or in some cases behind the bench). What team flat out wastes 3 years of Connor McDavid’s ELC?It’s mind-boggling.

    Year -1 Edmonton Oiler miss the play-off for the 10 season in a row TERRIBLE TEAM
    Year 1 – Connor drafted and injuried
    Year 2 – Oiler’s win a round in the playoff
    Year 3- Oiler’s roster project to deliver between 90 points to play for Stanley Cup, but bad year

    How is this a flat out waste of Connor’s ELC

  10. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    slopitch,

    – In fairness to Chia: while Griff was a brutal trade, Benning was free, and Russel only cost money.

    – Chia made three moves to improve the D. He realized quick that Griff wasn’t going to make it and brought in Russel during training camp which was a godsend 2 years ago.

    – He had to solve to improve the D, one of the solutions was brutal, and your mileage may vary on Russell and Benning, who are both bonafide D. 2 approaches worked, one failed big time.

  11. Material pocession says:

    We need to take your last paragraph and put it on a billboard outside Kingsway.

  12. Bryan says:

    Lowetide: Puljujarvi as McDavid’s shooter, Leon on a designated No. 2 line, perhaps with Nuge as his partner, Lucic relegated to the 3line with Strome or Khaira, a healthier defense. All of those things are internal.

    Grab a substantial backup who can push Talbot, find a way to acquire Brandon Montour or similar and cast about looking for the new Maroon. I wrote about it here. It’s the right thing to do.

    a href=”https://theathletic.com/228325/2018/02/02/lowetide-oilers-badly-need-a-long-boring-uneventful-yet-effective-summer/” rel=”nofollow”>https://theathletic.com/228325/2018/02/02/lowetide-oilers-badly-need-a-long-boring-uneventful-yet-effective-summer/

    I strongly agree with this. Enough of trading away talent for some perceived need that just creates another need. A lot of the people who couldn’t get rid of Hall quickly enough are now watching him dominate and wondering what could have happened. JP is just finishing his second season as a 19 year old and is far from screwed up. The talent and potential there should be obvious to everyone and the Oilers desperately need talented wingers. Some better conditioning and a little more confidence and better usage and he will be a top end contributor for a long time. If they aren’t going to fire Chiarelli then tell him to take a long fishing trip. Even Slats has said that some of his best trades were ones that he didn’t make.

  13. Lowetide says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – I don’t get the “trade Milan if you can” and am surprised that LT is now entering that discussion

    – Milan can’t/won’t be traded in a hockey trade for many years, given his NMC .Perhaps for the Seattle draft they send Milan and a draft pick.Perhaps during lock-out there is a window, Perhaps he goes on LTIR at some point because of his back condition: HE IS NOT GETTING TRADED THOUGH!

    – Fantasy discussions about how much better this team would be if we could just get rid of Lucic: what’s the point?My life would be so much better if I could sell my house and not pay off the mortgage when I did, and if someone pays well over asking price.

    I mentioned three players in my post who have NMC’s, saying “if you can” which implies said player agreeing. Lucic might waive in order to play in Boston, perhaps. Or maybe even Vancouver. I understand your point, but don’t agree with it.

  14. Admiral Ackbar says:

    There are some ball and chains on our cap space that likely will protect their own even if it’s the best interest of the team that they go: Lucic, Russell, Kassian. They are almost completely untradeable. That’s a lot of cap dead weight.

  15. Jethro Tull says:

    Lowetide: Puljujarvi as McDavid’s shooter, Leon on a designated No. 2 line, perhaps with Nuge as his partner, Lucic relegated to the 3line with Strome or Khaira, a healthier defense. All of those things are internal.

    Grab a substantial backup who can push Talbot, find a way to acquire Brandon Montour or similar and cast about looking for the new Maroon. I wrote about it here. It’s the right thing to do.

    https://theathletic.com/228325/2018/02/02/lowetide-oilers-badly-need-a-long-boring-uneventful-yet-effective-summer/

    Sorry LT, I have a tribe of kids and the budget doesn’t quite cover The Athletic subscription, so I’ll just assume that it’s a logically well thought out piece that makes common sense arguments, like all of your other work!

    1) What has JP done to show he can be Connor’s shooter, other than be drafted high?

    2) Montour would be great but more of tge same. Another guy who is very good bit not quite that 1/2 D.

    Good difference of opinion!☺

  16. Lowetide says:

    Admiral Ackbar:
    There are some ball and chains on our cap space that likely will protect their own even if it’s the best interest of the team that they go: Lucic, Russell, Kassian. They are almost completely untradeable. That’s a lot of cap dead weight.

    No one is untradeable.

  17. Admiral Ackbar says:

    Lowetide: No one is untradeable.

    I hope you’re right.

  18. stush18 says:

    Lowetide: No one is untradeable.

    +1.

    It’s like we don’t watch contracts get moved every offseason.

  19. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    WC standings this morning via pts% expressed as “games over .500”

    Central
    NSH 30
    WPG 24
    MIN 17

    Pacific
    VGK 24
    SJS 14
    LAK 12

    Wildcard
    DAL 14
    COL 11

    Out of playoffs
    ANA 11
    CGY 9
    STL 8
    CHI -2
    EDM -5
    VAN -9
    ARI -13

    Very tight for the last wildcard spot. My $ is on ANA (*spits) and LAK making it although I’d prefer COL making it over ANA (*spits*)

    EC standings this morning via pts% expressed as “games over .500”

    Atlantic
    TBY 30
    BOS 27
    TOR 17

    Metropolitan
    WSH 14
    PIT 14
    PHI 11

    Wildcard
    FLA 8
    NJD 8

    Out of playoffs
    CBJ 8
    CAR 3
    NYI 0
    NYR -2
    DET -5
    MTL -6
    OTT -10
    BUF -13

    Super tight race for the wildcard spots.

    I don’t think NJD makes it.

    FLA is riding a high PDO, but they’re playing well too. Having both Lou and Reimer back is huge.

    Bob is back to being Bob and is carrying CBJ as they can’t turn corsis into goals worth a shit.

    Schneider has been meh since coming back from injury (3 games), if NJD has a prayer its that he’s Schneider again and soon.

  20. Bryan says:

    I also think it will be very difficult to move Lucic but after Gretzky going will never say never. I do think that he is a man of honour and his present level of play is eating him up inside. He is certainly not old so my biggest hope is that he will approach the offseason with a training regime devoted to coaxing more speed out of his body and less worry about bulk. He can lose plenty of weight and still be more than rugged enough for the new style of play. Quicker feet will bring renewed confidence and then an assignment on the second or third line is likely the best we can hope for.

  21. Lowetide says:

    Jethro Tull: Sorry LT, I have a tribe of kids and the budget doesn’t quite cover The Athletic subscription, so I’ll just assume that it’s a logically well thought out piece that makes common sense arguments, like all of your other work!

    1) What has JP done to show he can be Connor’s shooter, other than be drafted high?

    2) Montour would be great but more of tge same. Another guy who is very good bit not quite that 1/2 D.

    Good difference of opinion!☺

    Lol. No worries. JP has performed very well with McDavid, he’s a strong option imo. Best on the roster, although Yamamoto probably ends up with the job.

  22. Doug McLachlan says:

    I love Klefbom and his contract but if he were dealt for Karlsson, signed, would anyone say no?

  23. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    So, a team that is minus 34 overall is minus 29 goals in special teams. What a miserable year.

    This is why the coaching staff cannot survive.

    When Burger Bob mentioned on HNIC that “they need to change the culture in the dressing room” he may have been talking about the coaching staff.

  24. Doug McLachlan says:

    Lowetide: Lol. No worries. JP has performed very well with McDavid, he’s a strong option imo. Best on the roster, although Yamamoto probably ends up with the job.

    I really liked the look of Lucic – Draisaitl – Puljujarvi.

  25. Bryan says:

    Doug McLachlan:
    I love Klefbom and his contract but if he were dealt for Karlsson, signed, would anyone say no?

    At what price? Devoting thirty million to three players seems like a recipe for disaster.

  26. JimmyV1965 says:

    As I remember, many people justified the trade by saying we traded Hall for Larsson and Lucic. I thought it was a bat-shit crazy argument then. Don’t hear that argument much anymore.

  27. anjinsan says:

    “… cannot believe how many people are wrong on a simple point.”

    Chiarelli was wrong. That’s one person. One. Incompetence. Ruin, possibly. There’s no excuse. No rationale. Dismissal and don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

    Why delve into garbage reasoning of Peter Chiarelli, Mr. LT?

  28. JustWatt says:

    LT,

    Watching Puljujarvi this season has made me think that birthdays in the draft mean a lot more than I ever gave credit for. He’s nearly done his second season post draft but he still looks and plays a lot like a guy who’s only draft +1. I had been thinking most of this time that it was the Oil messing up his development (and there may still be some of that, to be sure) but I also keep seeing “19 years old” and its started to change my mind.

    It’s waaaaaaay too early to be calling this kid a bust or trying to ship him out of town. Unless an OEL signed to a favorable long-term contract is coming back I think it would be a huge mistake. And if his learning curve is Draisaitl-esque we could be talking about it in a few years the way we talk about the Hall trade today. The Oilers have a great young player on their team. Keep him.

  29. JimmyV1965 says:

    Although I don’t have an issue trading Klef or RNH, we have to get value out of the deal. I’m so tired of getting the second best player in a trade. If we package one of those two with another asset and receive a more substantial player in a return, I’m 100% in favour of that. What are the odds of that happening though? 5%?

    I think the least painful move is to trade down in the draft. Unless we win the lottery of course. Could we trade 7OV for something like 20OV and get a good RHD prospect who is ready to play next year?

  30. JustWatt says:

    Bryan: At what price?Devoting thirty million to three players seems like a recipe for disaster.

    Seconded. We already look at this roster and think the wingers are crap, we have to upgrade them because McDavid and Draisaitl already have no one to pass to. How are the Oilers supposed to fix the wings if they can only afford to pay their top line wingers $1.5 million a piece?

  31. Mike Modano's Dog says:

    One question I have about Russell’s contract is about his NMC and how it pertains to the upcoming expansion draft. Being we know Seattle will enter the expansion ranks in 2020/21 I believe it is…does he become a boat anchor we are tied to at that time, and will we need to protect him over our more substantial/wanted defencemen like Klefbom, Larsson, and Nurse?

    I would really hate it if we had to let go of one of those players because of a poorly thought out contract.

  32. mustang says:

    I agree with LT, Lucic could be traded but the cost of doing that is high and nobody would like this. So, chances of that happening are slim.

    That Reinhardt trade is kicking the shit outa PC and the Oilers right now and in the future, doesn’t matter if they weren’t taking Barzal. This is the biggest mistake in many many years.

  33. stush18 says:

    JimmyV1965,

    I think I like this course of action, if the player acquired is ineligible for Seattle expansion. I just don’t know many dmen that wouldn’t be ready to step up into the NHL that are ineligible for expansion.

    Could you trade 4 OV forNicholas Hague and Vegas first rounder?

    They get a high end scorer, we get a d prospect and another prospect.

    I guess it depends on how high you view Hague, and how badly you want to restock the cupboards versus drafting another high end talent.

  34. stush18 says:

    mustang:
    I agree with LT, Lucic could be traded but the cost of doing that is high and nobody would like this. So, chances of that happening are slim.

    That Reinhardt trade is kicking the shit outa PC and the Oilers right now and in the future, doesn’t matter if they weren’t taking Barzal. This is the biggest mistake in many many years.

    I don’t get worked up about Barzal at all.

    But I agree that trade hurt this teams depth.

  35. JimmyV1965 says:

    My biggest fear is that we trade RNH or Klef for someone like Barrie or Faulk or Hoffman. These kinds of deals are moving the deck chairs at best, but more likely trading the best asset for the second best asset.

  36. Lowetide says:

    anjinsan:

    Why delve into garbage reasoning of Peter Chiarelli, Mr. LT?

    These things are important. In the rush to throw Chiarelli from the train, there’s a lot of hyperbole. I don’t have an issue with the rage but do care about recording the facts for history. Chiarelli has his flaws and they are obvious, but he couldn’t have been planning on replacing Hall with Draisaitl because Draisaitl was already there.

    In a way, keeping the facts straight makes the decision by PC even more galling.

  37. bod says:

    NJ won 12 of 27 games while Hall still had his point streak going. And McDavid can’t win MVP because he’s on a non-playoff team? Hall for MVP? I don’t think so.

  38. VOR says:

    I get this will not be a popular suggestion but there is another way to vastly improve the Oilers moving forward, one that never gets mentioned here.

    How about we sit down with Milan Lucic, Matt Kassian, Andrej Sekera, and Oscar Klefbom individually and work out coherent, rational plans for dealing with whatever it is that is getting in the way of their on ice performance. I can’t believe that at least a few fans haven’t considered Milan is hurt or having personal problems or is sick. The same could be said of Kassian. We know Klefbom and Sekera are hurt, is playing hurt the best strategy for their careers.

    You will notice Kris Russell isn’t on that list. That is because while he is overpaid he is an actual NHL defenceman. The Oilers have not been able to maximize his deployment this year. Moving forward he might be a valuable piece.

    If you can return the first four guys to the way they played in 2016-17 many of the Oilers problems disappear.

  39. JimmyV1965 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – I don’t get the “trade Milan if you can” and am surprised that LT is now entering that discussion

    – Milan can’t/won’t be traded in a hockey trade for many years, given his NMC .Perhaps for the Seattle draft they send Milan and a draft pick.Perhaps during lock-out there is a window, Perhaps he goes on LTIR at some point because of his back condition: HE IS NOT GETTING TRADED THOUGH!

    – Fantasy discussions about how much better this team would be if we could just get rid of Lucic: what’s the point?My life would be so much better if I could sell my house and not pay off the mortgage when I did, and if someone pays well over asking price.

    Totally agree. We wait for compliance buyout.

  40. JimmyV1965 says:

    Admiral Ackbar:
    There are some ball and chains on our cap space that likely will protect their own even if it’s the best interest of the team that they go: Lucic, Russell, Kassian. They are almost completely untradeable. That’s a lot of cap dead weight.

    Kassian is very traceable. Teams would line up to get him. $2 mill is hardly a millstone.

  41. Pouzar says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    So, a team that is minus 34 overall is minus 29 goals in special teams. What a miserable year.

    This is why the coaching staff cannot survive.

    When Burger Bob mentioned on HNIC that “they need to change the culture in the dressing room” he may have been talking about the coaching staff.

    I hope you are right but don’t see it happening.
    Why? Because I want it too much.

  42. Bob Arctor says:

    Yearly vacations to Robidas Island for Lucic might be the best solution.

  43. Pouzar says:

    JustWatt:
    LT,

    Watching Puljujarvi this season has made me think that birthdays in the draft mean a lot more than I ever gave credit for. He’s nearly done his second season post draft but he still looks and plays a lot like a guy who’s only draft +1. I had been thinking most of this time that it was the Oil messing up his development (and there may still be some of that, to be sure) but I also keep seeing “19 years old” and its started to change my mind.

    It’s waaaaaaay too early to be calling this kid a bust or trying to ship him out of town. Unless an OEL signed to a favorable long-term contract is coming back I think it would be a huge mistake. And if his learning curve is Draisaitl-esque we could be talking about it in a few years the way we talk about the Hall trade today. The Oilers have a great young player on their team. Keep him.

    Exactly why he should of been in Finland in his draft +1 year. So simple. Work on his offensive skills some more (he is an offensive player afterall), get an English tutor, and be comfortable in his homeland. Rome wasn’t built in a day. He had plenty of time to come over to learn the N.A. game in the “A”. This isn’t rocket science or evolutionary. Tons of teams do it this way with great success.

  44. Pouzar says:

    Pierre LeBrun

    Verified account

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    5m5 minutes ago
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    Hearing that Carolina had preliminary phone call with Mike Futa (LA) Friday; also believe Hurricanes have reached out to former Canucks AGM Laurence Gilman. Belief is Carolina has reached out to Nashville regarding Paul Fenton and Tampa regarding Julien Brisebois, obvious names..

  45. JimmyV1965 says:

    Bryan:
    I also think it will be very difficult to move Lucic but after Gretzky going will never say never.I do think that he is a man of honour and his present level of play is eating him up inside.He is certainly not old so my biggest hope is that he will approach the offseason with a training regime devoted to coaxing more speed out of his body and less worry about bulk.He can lose plenty of weight and still be more than rugged enough for the new style of play.Quicker feet will bring renewed confidence and then an assignment on the second or third line is likely the best we can hope for.

    I still think there’s a useful player in Lucic, way likely on the third line. I doubt he can lose a lot of weight though, and I doubt he will get any faster. His body size is what it is.

  46. VOR says:

    If I wanted to change the locker room culture ala Burger Bob I’d go character shopping this summer.

    By the way, everybody remember that terrible stretch they had, those 5-0 no effort, no heart games. That can’t happen ever again if the Oilers want to be legit contenders for the Cup. The Oilers need to acquire more players who just don’t know how to quit.

    I could suggest quite a few players who would be cheap NHL help and not cost a fortune to acquire. Just as examples Tony Greco out of Florida and Matt Puempel out of Detroit. In different ways the world has been telling these two kids to quit, to give up on their dreams for years. They didn’t get the memo. Both are superb AHL penalty killers. You could also sign Tyler Vesel. The three guys share in common that their motors never stop running and they play each shift like it matters.

    Would any of them play on the Oilers next year? Hard to say but they would bring a ton of energy, effort, and heart to Bakersfield. And probably for a few games in the NHL. Maybe more than a few for at least one of them. Let’s say it is time to start auditioning for the part of Mark Lamb.

  47. Pouzar says:

    VOR: By the way, everybody remember that terrible stretch they had, those 5-0 no effort, no heart games.

    We can’t have passengers. Caggs/Pak always give effort but contribute little to nothing.
    Find better players.

  48. hags9k says:

    VOR,

    Can we please add Talbot to the sit down list? The special teams have been fatal but the autopsy should show that goaltending is right up there as the possible cause of death.

  49. Georges says:

    Lowetide: These things are important. In the rush to throw Chiarelli from the train, there’s a lot of hyperbole. I don’t have an issue with the rage but do care about recording the facts for history. Chiarelli has his flaws and they are obvious, but he couldn’t have been planning on replacing Hall with Draisaitl because Draisaitl was already there.

    In a way, keeping the facts straight makes the decision by PC even more galling.

    In the interest of keeping facts straight, here’s something I posted on July 7, 2017.

    —-

    Read WG’s post from the morning:

    http://becauseoilers.blogspot.ca/2017/07/oilers-went-from-25th-to-8th-in-nhl-in.html

    I found something interesting in those numbers:

    Oilers 5v5 GF60 w/o CMD

    15-16 1.79 (with Hall in lineup)
    16-17 1.97 (w/o Hall in lineup)

    So the loss of Hall didn’t affect w/o CMD goal production from 15-16 to 16-17. The Oilers scored at a better pace with CMD off the ice in 16-17 (when Hall was off the team) than in 15-16 (when Hall was on the team).

    Let’s look at the flip side, goals against.

    Oilers 5v5 GA60 with CMD

    15-16 3.26
    16-17 2.15

    Oilers 5v5 GA60 w/o CMD

    15-16 2.43
    16-17 2.06

    So removing Hall didn’t hurt offense, getting Larsson helped defense (with and without CMD on the ice). You don’t have to attribute the defensive lift exclusively to Larsson; there are more variables to consider. But you’d be hard pressed to argue against the idea his presence on the team counted for part of the improvement.

    Going into this season, Larsson is a first pairing d-man. This means Chia effectively acquired a first pairing d-man without hurting team offense.

    Think about that. That’s some good GM’ing, no?

    For 17-18, PC removed 3 veteran forwards with a history of scoring at or near top-6 rates from the lineup and replaced them with one young player who was below top-6, an old player who, it turned out, was done, and young players that his HC didn’t trust or couldn’t unlock. He gave his HC a tougher problem to solve in 17-18 than in 16-17. The HC, with no history of solving hard problems, failed to solve this one as well. But the 16-17 configuration had no issue replacing Hall’s offense through the overall lineup.

  50. fifthcartel says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Elliotte Friedman and Jeff Marek were talking about that interview on the latest 31 Thoughts podcast.

    If you’re an Oilers fan I’d highly recommend listening. Skip to ~55 minutes in and they talk about Edmonton’s situation for a good length.

    Friedman referenced Nicholson’s “if we have to make a change it better be a good one” and wonders about Trotz and Quenneville and stuff.

    But he also mentioned how he thinks Nicholson “doesn’t want to fire Todd and Pete” but the fans are super mad and the owner is fuming.

    I’ve firmly believed Peter Chiarelli needs to go for the long-term health of this franchise, but more and more makes me think he survives and McLellan take the fall for this season.

  51. Woogie63 says:

    The Oilers want Draisaitl to be McDavid’s winger that is pretty clear.

    Hopkins is the plan for the number 2 center, we don’t have another center close to being a 2C, he is not getting traded.

    The Oiler’s need to see evidence that Sekera’s injury/age has not caught up to him and he now a third pairing dman.

    Klefbom at worst is our 2LHD. Klefbom, Nurse, Larsson are the defenders core.

  52. Offside says:

    JimmyV1965,

    The Hall trade would have been just fine if we drafted Barzal and another skilled winger

  53. leadfarmer says:

    I’ve been saying this since very early in the season. This team is poorly built and needs to be redone. This team is much too slow to compete in this NHL. We need a 4 year rebuild to fix the mistakes. Make a list of guys who are not going to be useful in 4 years and trade them. Lucic might be worth keeping to buyout in 2020 over retaining half or just give him another season to see if you cant recoup value so you can trade him with less retention. Russell wont be much help in 4 years trade him, Maybe not for a year , NMC, but hopefully Bear will be ready in a year and then you can trade him (If I was an owner and the GM would give my depth player a NMC I would fire him on the spot) Sekera will almost be done by then. Give him a healthy year and trade him. We will need that time to build depth in the system and make the big boy contracts more palatable.

    Also I really dont like the Puljujarvi development. I’m a believer that goal scorers need to score and score often. Put him in a league where he can do that. There is nothing wrong with taking your time with a young player. I dont like “star” players developed through the grind out games route in the NHL until you can run your own line and then you get to play with skill when you earned it. Make the player earn in by completely owning a lesser league. There is a lot for these players to learn in lesser leagues.

    Like Bear, I’m sure people will be penciling him in the lineup next year. No let him percolate. Make him qb a pp for 4 min a game in AHL next season so he can work on that skillset.

  54. leadfarmer says:

    hags9k:
    VOR,

    Can we please add Talbot to the sit down list?The special teams have been fatal but the autopsy should show that goaltending is right up there as the possible cause of death.

    Yeah It would go like this
    “Its your fault that the team keeps turning pucks over in dangerous areas and its your fault no one ties up sticks in the front of the net. Its your fault that the team cant make a pass, and its your fault when you struggle you still get thrown out there night after night”

    No Holtby joins the long list of goalies that struggled at some point this season and were given a few games off to regroup.

  55. Pouzar says:

    Offside:
    JimmyV1965,

    The Hall trade would have been just fine if we drafted Barzal and another skilled winger

    +1

  56. Scungilli Slushy says:

    stush18: +1.

    It’s like we don’t watch contracts get moved every offseason.

    I say the same thing every spring. But does anybody think the Oilers could do that without being the guy sitting at the table with Hannibal Lecter eating their brain while talking to them about Leon Klefbom or Nuge?

  57. JustWatt says:

    VOR:
    I get this will not be a popular suggestion but there is another way to vastly improve the Oilers moving forward, one that never gets mentioned here.

    How about we sit down with Milan Lucic, Matt Kassian, Andrej Sekera, and Oscar Klefbom individually and work out coherent, rational plans for dealing with whatever it is that is getting in the way of their on ice performance. I can’t believe that at least a few fans haven’t considered Milan is hurt or having personal problems or is sick. The same could be said of Kassian. We know Klefbom and Sekera are hurt, is playing hurt the best strategy for their careers.

    You will notice Kris Russell isn’t on that list. That is because while he is overpaid he is an actual NHL defenceman. The Oilers have not been able to maximize his deployment this year. Moving forward he might be a valuable piece.

    If you can return the first four guys to the way they played in 2016-17 many of the Oilers problems disappear.

    +1

  58. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Trading for Reinhart wasn’t a mistake outright. Paying the price of a substantial established NHL defenseman was. GR was worth a second at best given he was a struggling AHL D. They still could have taken the first and had a chance at a strong player even if they were so obsessed with size they skipped the BPA in Barzal.

  59. JustWatt says:

    Pouzar: Exactly why he should of been in Finland in his draft +1 year. So simple. Work on his offensive skills some more (he is an offensive player afterall), get an English tutor, and be comfortable in his homeland. Rome wasn’t built in a day. He had plenty of time to come over to learn the N.A. game in the “A”. This isn’t rocket science or evolutionary. Tons of teams do it this way with great success.

    The silver lining in all of this is that his next contract might be much more palatable because of this mishandling. I would feel bad for Jesse to miss out on millions of dollars due to timing but I would love to see him be a killer for this team on a friendly, affordable contract for 8 additional years too. Selfish of me, I know.

  60. Woogie63 says:

    fifthcartel:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    Elliotte Friedman and Jeff Marek were talking about that interview on the latest 31 Thoughts podcast.

    If you’re an Oilers fan I’d highly recommend listening. Skip to ~55 minutes in and they talk about Edmonton’s situation for a good length.

    Friedman referenced Nicholson’s “if we have to make a change it better be a good one” and wonders about Trotz and Quenneville and stuff.

    But he also mentioned how he thinks Nicholson “doesn’t want to fire Todd and Pete” but the fans are super mad and the owner is fuming.

    I’ve firmly believed Peter Chiarelli needs to go for the long-term health of this franchise, but more and more makes me think he survives and McLellan take the fall for this season.

    In the cap era,

    GM’s own the draft and the small trades.
    The management team owns the big trades and the cap.

    This business is way too complex to believe PC, Stevie Y or any other GM this working as a “lone wolf” that is not how business is done anymore. A Harvard grad would assembly and work with in a strong team on complex decisions.

    My bet is the team around PC is Nicholson, Keith Gretzky, TMac, the analytics leader, Bill Scott and Katz.

    The rest are trying to get into those meetings.
    I bet Friedman is hearing from sources close to Wayne, Paul, Lowe and MacT who at this stage in their careers are window dressing.

  61. JustWatt says:

    Pouzar: We can’t have passengers. Caggs/Pak always give effort but contribute little to nothing.
    Find better players.

    +1 Was just about to type the same thing. At least Pak kills penalties. Trade Caggs or let him walk.

  62. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    VOR:
    I get this will not be a popular suggestion but there is another way to vastly improve the Oilers moving forward, one that never gets mentioned here.

    How about we sit down with Milan Lucic, Matt Kassian, Andrej Sekera, and Oscar Klefbom individually and work out coherent, rational plans for dealing with whatever it is that is getting in the way of their on ice performance. I can’t believe that at least a few fans haven’t considered Milan is hurt or having personal problems or is sick. The same could be said of Kassian. We know Klefbom and Sekera are hurt, is playing hurt the best strategy for their careers.

    You will notice Kris Russell isn’t on that list. That is because while he is overpaid he is an actual NHL defenceman. The Oilers have not been able to maximize his deployment this year. Moving forward he might be a valuable piece.

    If you can return the first four guys to the way they played in 2016-17 many of the Oilers problems disappear.

    JustWatt: +1

    That’s what I see with lucic as well – and I’ve posted as much before – that he plays like a man with a great weight on his shoulders.

    I lost my father suddenly and frankly it didn’t really hit me until 2 years after.

    Speculation for sure but a possibility.

  63. Scungilli Slushy says:

    JustWatt:
    LT,

    Watching Puljujarvi this season has made me think that birthdays in the draft mean a lot more than I ever gave credit for. He’s nearly done his second season post draft but he still looks and plays a lot like a guy who’s only draft +1. I had been thinking most of this time that it was the Oil messing up his development (and there may still be some of that, to be sure) but I also keep seeing “19 years old” and its started to change my mind.

    It’s waaaaaaay too early to be calling this kid a bust or trying to ship him out of town. Unless an OEL signed to a favorable long-term contract is coming back I think it would be a huge mistake. And if his learning curve is Draisaitl-esque we could be talking about it in a few years the way we talk about the Hall trade today. The Oilers have a great young player on their team. Keep him.

    LT nailed it when he said it isn’t about the player with JP it’s the timeline. Maybe why Kerk took a pass he was wanting someone closer. JP is like a kid still, I hope he lives with a family in Edmonton. He is very talented but not dead certain cocky like Laine and others who precociously walk straight into the league at a high production level.

  64. prefonmich says:

    Lowetide,

    They may actually both end up with the job. Looks like McClellan is testing JP out on his off wing on the third line, building his comfort level against lesser competition. Maybe his thinking is to play Lucic as a placeholder on the first line for the rest of this season to deal with the tougher matchup and then switch it up next season with JP on McDavids left side unleashing his wicked shot from that position and have Yamamoto on his right. Could work?! Leaving second line of Nuge Drai __, third line of Lucic Strome Slep and 4th a mix of Pak Aberg Khaira as centre and Kassian and Cags.
    I agree that these last 10+ games are crucial in figuring out who can work together and where players can slot or if the team needs to just move on. I think that we have enough pieces up front if they stop being juggled and put players in a line to stay rather than switching every damn game.

  65. JustWatt says:

    fifthcartel,

    This is what I think is most likely to happen too.

  66. leadfarmer says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    Trading for Reinhart wasn’t a mistake outright. Paying the price of a substantial established NHL defenseman was. GR was worth a second at best given he was a struggling AHL D. They still could have taken the first and had a chance at a strong player even if they were so obsessed with size they skipped the BPA in Barzal.

    I think most of us screaming at the TV on draft day when it was announced made it an outright mistake. Almost killed Mcdavid draft for many

  67. Scungilli Slushy says:

    JimmyV1965: I still think there’s a useful player in Lucic, way likely on the third line. I doubt he can lose a lot of weight though, and I doubt he will get any faster. His body size is what it is.

    Maybe Jimmy but being a bigger guy as well it seems 240 is really heavy for 6’3 as a natural weight. There are few players that heavy in the league and many who are drop weight for better play like Ovi had to.

    He has also gained weight he said in season which is not what usually happens to hockey players because they can’t weight lift enough. Luc mentioned diet.

    I of course don’t know but expect his training is based on the style he used to play which he mentioned was powering D off pucks which isn’t how the game is now according to him.

    So light weights, get used to a lighter diet and get skating coaching all summer. Lighten up, gain some quickness. His stamina will also go up with a more cardio approach and 15 less to haul around. And hopefully anything else gets dealt with after a summer break.

  68. Scungilli Slushy says:

    leadfarmer: I think most of us screaming at the TV on draft day when it was announced made it an outright mistake.Almost killed Mcdavid draft for many

    If they gave up a third for him which is all he was worth I would have still thought it a mistake because of what was happening with him – not establishing and having skating issues which is a deal breaker for me every day – but an inconsequential one at that cost. Low cost evaluation mistakes aren’t the killers.

  69. Bag of Pucks says:

    Lowetide: Puljujarvi as McDavid’s shooter, Leon on a designated No. 2 line, perhaps with Nuge as his partner, Lucic relegated to the 3line with Strome or Khaira, a healthier defense. All of those things are internal.

    https://theathletic.com/228325/2018/02/02/lowetide-oilers-badly-need-a-long-boring-uneventful-yet-effective-summer/

    I agree with this take, though it may end up being Nuge with Connor and Jesse with Leon.

    But, if what we’re saying is better deployment of the troops will win the war, then what does that say about the General (ie MacLellan)?

    What evidence do we have that TMac will deploy the troops better going forward? The PK has been poor for a season and a half with no fixes in sight. This is clearly a coaching staff in need of solutions. I think the solution is to show them the door.

  70. Munny says:

    Scungilli Slushy,

    VOR had some posts on this theory earlier this week. Turns out that losing weight doesn’t necessarily enhance performance or speed and we can’t apply the general to the specific. Every athlete is different in this regard.

  71. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    I remember the conversation being that the trade and signing would be ok if Lucic replaced 80% of Hall’s offence and Larsson could play 1st pair.

    I agreed with that sentiment and was hopeful that the cliff wasn’t close for Lucic.

    I’m an Oiler fan so despite being gobsmacked by the trade, I still wanted “my team” to win.

    In that conversation a big emphasis was put on Lucic’s durability and Hall’s lack thereof in terms of games played over the years.

    So far we have:

    Lucic 149gp 82 points
    Hall 135gp 127 points.

    That’s 65%

    If we look at 5v5 Primary Points (those who drive 5v5 play) we see:

    Lucic 149gp 32 Primary 5v5 points
    Hall 135gp 55 Primary 5v5 points

    That’s 58%

    If anyone is interested, here are the top 30 (and ties) player for total 5v5 primary points over the last 2 years:

    Player P1
    CONNOR.MCDAVID 88
    PATRICK.KANE 73
    EVGENI.MALKIN 72
    AUSTON.MATTHEWS 70
    NIKITA.KUCHEROV 69
    ARTEMI.PANARIN 68
    DAVID.PASTRNAK 64
    HENRIK.ZETTERBERG 64
    BRAD.MARCHAND 63
    JOHNNY.GAUDREAU 63
    ERIC.STAAL 62
    EVGENY.KUZNETSOV 62
    ALEX.OVECHKIN 61
    SIDNEY.CROSBY 61
    JASON.ZUCKER 60
    JEFF.SKINNER 60
    LEON.DRAISAITL 60
    NATHAN.MACKINNON 60
    NIKOLAJ.EHLERS 60
    RICKARD.RAKELL 60
    VLADIMIR.TARASENKO 60
    ANDERS.LEE 59
    JONATHAN.MARCHESSAULT 58
    FILIP.FORSBERG 57
    PATRIK.LAINE 57
    MARK.SCHEIFELE 56
    JORDAN.EBERLE 55
    TAYLOR.HALL 55
    JAMES.VAN RIEMSDYK 54
    JOHN.TAVARES 54
    PHIL.KESSEL 54

    Lucic’s 32 has him tied for 175th

  72. Woogie63 says:

    Would Chris Wagner or Josh Jooris be reasonable 4C August UFA pickup?

  73. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Edmonton Oilers
    ‏@EdmontonOilers

    “Minor procedure” for d-man Oscar Klefbom that will keep him out of the #Oilers lineup for the next two games, says Coach McLellan.

  74. Halfwise says:

    Scungilli Slushy: If they gave up a third for him which is all he was worth I would have still thought it a mistake because of what was happening with him – not establishing and having skating issues which is a deal breaker for me every day – but an inconsequential one at that cost. Low cost evaluation mistakes aren’t the killers.

    I have to believe that the GR trade happened because new GM Chiarelli took insistent (but bad!) advice from the incumbent Oiler brain trust regarding the player.

    As for the price paid for said player, would that have been PC’s decision or would the incumbent geniuses have agreed to the two picks as being a fair price? They’re still around in the background, while it’s PC who is wearing the consequences of their advice.

    I was hoping that Katz was too smart to pay for consistently bad advice from the OBC, and to pay out contracts for coaches and GMs that he once agreed should be hired but now has to fire. I may have been wrong. Fandom may have made the owner blind.

  75. Woogie63 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Edmonton Oilers
    ‏@EdmontonOilers

    “Minor procedure” for d-man Oscar Klefbom that will keep him out of the #Oilers lineup for the next two games, says Coach McLellan.

    Caleb Jones gets an NHL pay cheque?

  76. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Munny:
    Scungilli Slushy,

    VOR had some posts on this theory earlier this week. Turns out that losing weight doesn’t necessarily enhance performance or speed and we can’t apply the general to the specific. Every athlete is different in this regard.

    True but Vor said he coaches mainly throwers. Hockey players are typically lean because it is primarily a cardio sport. They have to be strong, especially in the legs, but it isn’t a power sport.

    Luc mentions it in his interview. Their aren’t many unusually heavy big guys anymore. Byf is one but is a one off. Kessell isn’t typically fit but isn’t tall, I think shorter stockier guys get away with that more. On the other hand it could be hampering his game as to what it could be.

    Another poster mentioned in that thread that they felt physique informs performance. I agree as top NHL rookies that progress typically work hard at gaining strength off season. Those that don’t often lag. Hall, Nuge, Connor and Eberle all worked hard to move past teen builds and it was evident quite soon, not nearly as skinny. Which is different than getting too big, just gaining strength to play against men.

    Anecdotally I have a young son who dominates his soccer age group. He is taller than most kids so faster, and is naturally built, he is really strong and muscular.

    That has a bigger effect on things than his skill, there are a fair few players with as good technique as him, not many match his physical advantage at this point. He is also driven, which of course is a huge part of excelIing at anything.

    I am preparing him mentally for the coming years when his advantage diminishes as others catch up in size, and he has started using his teammates more as the end to end rushes get harder to pull off each season as other players grow and can challenge him.

  77. Andy Dufresne says:

    Some days in here it feels like the Steve Tambellini fan club…….Ditherers.

    Get on with Living or get on with dying.

    Big trade on the Horizon.

    Woot Woot.

  78. Andy Dufresne says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – I don’t get the “trade Milan if you can” and am surprised that LT is now entering that discussion

    – Milan can’t/won’t be traded in a hockey trade for many years, given his NMC .Perhaps for the Seattle draft they send Milan and a draft pick.Perhaps during lock-out there is a window, Perhaps he goes on LTIR at some point because of his back condition: HE IS NOT GETTING TRADED THOUGH!

    – Fantasy discussions about how much better this team would be if we could just get rid of Lucic: what’s the point?My life would be so much better if I could sell my house and not pay off the mortgage when I did, and if someone pays well over asking price.

    THe contract is tradable in the final two years if you look at the terms.

    Lockout would bring comliance buyout one year earlier if it happens.

  79. Andy Dufresne says:

    Admiral Ackbar: I hope you’re right.

    Hope is a dangerous thing. Hope can drive a man insane. But in this case LT is correct.

  80. Andy Dufresne says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    WC standings this morning via pts% expressed as “games over .500”

    Central
    NSH30
    WPG24
    MIN17

    Pacific
    VGK24
    SJS14
    LAK12

    Wildcard
    DAL14
    COL11

    Out of playoffs
    ANA11
    CGY9
    STL8
    CHI-2
    EDM-5
    VAN-9
    ARI-13

    Very tight for the last wildcard spot.My $ is on ANA (*spits) and LAK making it although I’d prefer COL making it over ANA (*spits*)

    EC standings this morning via pts% expressed as “games over .500”

    Atlantic
    TBY30
    BOS27
    TOR17

    Metropolitan
    WSH14
    PIT14
    PHI11

    Wildcard
    FLA8
    NJD8

    Out of playoffs
    CBJ8
    CAR3
    NYI0
    NYR-2
    DET-5
    MTL-6
    OTT-10
    BUF-13

    Super tight race for the wildcard spots.

    I don’t think NJD makes it.

    FLA is riding a high PDO, but they’re playing well too.Having both Lou and Reimer back is huge.

    Bob is back to being Bob and is carrying CBJ as they can’t turn corsis into goals worth a shit.

    Schneider has been meh since coming back from injury (3 games), if NJD has a prayer its that he’s Schneider again and soon.

    Will be fun to watch if Hallsy can drag his team into the playoffs or not.

  81. Andy Dufresne says:

    Woogie63: Year -1 Edmonton Oiler miss the play-off for the 10 season in a row TERRIBLE TEAM
    Year 1 – Connor drafted and injuried
    Year 2 – Oiler’s win a round in the playoff
    Year 3- Oiler’s roster project to deliver between 90 points to play for Stanley Cup, but bad year

    How is this a flat out waste of Connor’s ELC

    +1 Perspective……Its a thing. Context….Its a thing too.

  82. Andy Dufresne says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    WC standings this morning via pts% expressed as “games over .500”

    Central
    NSH30
    WPG24
    MIN17

    Pacific
    VGK24
    SJS14
    LAK12

    Wildcard
    DAL14
    COL11

    Out of playoffs
    ANA11
    CGY9
    STL8
    CHI-2
    EDM-5
    VAN-9
    ARI-13

    Very tight for the last wildcard spot.My $ is on ANA (*spits) and LAK making it although I’d prefer COL making it over ANA (*spits*)

    EC standings this morning via pts% expressed as “games over .500”

    Atlantic
    TBY30
    BOS27
    TOR17

    Metropolitan
    WSH14
    PIT14
    PHI11

    Wildcard
    FLA8
    NJD8

    Out of playoffs
    CBJ8
    CAR3
    NYI0
    NYR-2
    DET-5
    MTL-6
    OTT-10
    BUF-13

    Super tight race for the wildcard spots.

    I don’t think NJD makes it.

    FLA is riding a high PDO, but they’re playing well too.Having both Lou and Reimer back is huge.

    Bob is back to being Bob and is carrying CBJ as they can’t turn corsis into goals worth a shit.

    Schneider has been meh since coming back from injury (3 games), if NJD has a prayer its that he’s Schneider again and soon.

    NJD CLB and FLORIDA are all at almost identical PDO 99.5 99.6 99.6

  83. elgruntus says:

    Drai, Looch and Sleppy were getting the job done during the playoffs last year. Have they even taken a shift as a unit this year?

  84. Andy Dufresne says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    So, a team that is minus 34 overall is minus 29 goals in special teams. What a miserable year.

    This is why the coaching staff cannot survive.

    When Burger Bob mentioned on HNIC that “they need to change the culture in the dressing room” he may have been talking about the coaching staff.

    Highest probablity is Coach survives his staff do not.

  85. sliderule says:

    Before we give up on JP consider ice time our first picks have received in season draft plus one and two.

    Hall 18.1. 18.1
    Nuge 17.4
    Leon 12.4. 18.0
    Yak. 14.3 14.2
    J.P. 11.1. 13.4

    This is seven minutes less than Hall in his rookie season..Those were different times and other than Leon and JP they were getting pushes but you need ice for results.The oiler coaches don’t have much trust in JP possibly because he is so young and immature compared to Hall and Leon who turned 19 not long after rookie season started.

  86. Georges says:

    Gallant’s season in VGK is one for the ages.

    Here are the high level 5v5 numbers (and ranking) off of NST:

    CF% 51.2 (11)
    GF% 54.4 (5)
    PDO 100.9 (11)

    We’re not talking about super hot goaltending or unsustainable shooting. Also not talking about a system that emphasizes puck possession over everything else.

    I’ve heard it said that the team is effectively 4 second lines and that’s what makes it so tough.

    Here’s the career points per game of VGK’s forwards going into this season:

    Tuch 0.00
    Leipsic 0.50
    Eakin 0.41
    Perron 0.58
    Haula 0.33
    Neal 0.71
    Marchessault 0.56
    Lindberg 0.36
    Bellemare 0.14
    Smith 0.51
    Carpenter 0.33
    Matteau 0.11
    Nosek 0.06
    Tatar 0.56
    Carrier 0.20
    Karlsson 0.27

    0.45 is around a top-6 rate. 0.65 is around a top line rate. So Gallant had one career first line player, 5 career second line players, and the rest were bottom 6.

    On defense, here’s the career TOI per GP going into this season:

    Hunt, 15:55
    McNabb, 16:59
    Miller, 15:48
    Engelland, 15:09
    Garrison, 20:22
    Merrill, 18:58
    Sbisa, 18:01
    Schmidt, 16:34
    Theodore, 17:57

    Only one career 20 minutes a night defenseman. That’s around top-4 time. And Garrison has played just 8 games for the team. And Marrill, who’s second at career TOI at 18:58, has played 21 games. Sbisa, the only other guy over 18 minutes, has played 30 games.

    Gallant has stitched together an effective defensive corps out of players who’ve averaged less than 18 minutes a night going into this season. Less than 18 minutes is 3rd pairing.

    His number one goaltender has played less than half the games. And he’s had 5 goalies between the pipes so far this season.

    McPhee is credited with targeting good players. I’m not so sure that’s what’s happened here.

    It’s not a PDO-fueled run, but maybe the pixie dust wears off for the players in the off-season. For now, Gallant is making every HC complaining about roster holes or nonperforming players look like bro, do you even lift? He’s kind of like the CMD of coaching.

    I believe McLellan had a significantly better roster when he started with the Oilers in 15-16. One disastrous season later, no one bothered to question the HC and the roster overhaul was under way.

    Let’s not do that again. Let’s look at things squarely.

  87. Andy Dufresne says:

    JustWatt:
    LT,

    Watching Puljujarvi this season has made me think that birthdays in the draft mean a lot more than I ever gave credit for. He’s nearly done his second season post draft but he still looks and plays a lot like a guy who’s only draft +1. I had been thinking most of this time that it was the Oil messing up his development (and there may still be some of that, to be sure) but I also keep seeing “19 years old” and its started to change my mind.

    It’s waaaaaaay too early to be calling this kid a bust or trying to ship him out of town. Unless an OEL signed to a favorable long-term contract is coming back I think it would be a huge mistake. And if his learning curve is Draisaitl-esque we could be talking about it in a few years the way we talk about the Hall trade today. The Oilers have a great young player on their team. Keep him.

    Hes a Bandi player and it shows in style of play….lots of skating…..no contact……beware the Bandi……

    But he has made good strides adapting his game to the North American style. Hes taking more direct lines and getting in position to affect the play. Hes a great skater and an ok passer. Hes still young so the physicality (seperate opponent from puck) should improve as he learns to use his body more effectviely, He has a Nail Yakupov shot so hopefully that improves.

    Today his ceiling is looking like Jere Lehtinen. But with a good year next year…..that ceiling could move higher.

    Lets pray hes not a bubble player for protection consideration in the Seattle expansion draft.

  88. jtblack says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    WC standings this morning via pts% expressed as “games over .500”

    Central
    NSH30
    WPG24
    MIN17

    Pacific
    VGK24
    SJS14
    LAK12

    Wildcard
    DAL14
    COL11

    Out of playoffs
    ANA11
    CGY9
    STL8
    CHI-2
    EDM-5
    VAN-9
    ARI-13

    Very tight for the last wildcard spot.My $ is on ANA (*spits) and LAK making it although I’d prefer COL making it over ANA (*spits*)

    EC standings this morning via pts% expressed as “games over .500”

    Atlantic
    TBY30
    BOS27
    TOR17

    Metropolitan
    WSH14
    PIT14
    PHI11

    Wildcard
    FLA8
    NJD8

    Out of playoffs
    CBJ8
    CAR3
    NYI0
    NYR-2
    DET-5
    MTL-6
    OTT-10
    BUF-13

    Super tight race for the wildcard spots.

    I don’t think NJD makes it.

    FLA is riding a high PDO, but they’re playing well too.Having both Lou and Reimer back is huge.

    Bob is back to being Bob and is carrying CBJ as they can’t turn corsis into goals worth a shit.

    Schneider has been meh since coming back from injury (3 games), if NJD has a prayer its that he’s Schneider again and soon.

    NJ goes on Road for 6. No “Free Bingo” squares on the trip. The opposite. Nash, VGs, LA, ANA, SJ, PIT . Ouch!

    If NJ gets in they will have earned it.

    Edm Sucks. That is All

  89. stush18 says:

    Georges,

    Love your stuff georges.

  90. leadfarmer says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Edmonton Oilers
    ‏@EdmontonOilers

    “Minor procedure” for d-man Oscar Klefbom that will keep him out of the #Oilers lineup for the next two games, says Coach McLellan.

    Shoulder scope Probably?
    Wonder what they found

  91. Andy Dufresne says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    I remember the conversation being that the trade and signing would be ok if Lucic replaced 80% of Hall’s offence and Larsson could play 1st pair.

    I agreed with that sentiment and was hopeful that the cliff wasn’t close for Lucic.

    I’m an Oiler fan so despite being gobsmacked by the trade, I still wanted “my team” to win.

    In that conversation a big emphasis was put on Lucic’s durability and Hall’s lack thereof in terms of games played over the years.

    So far we have:

    Lucic 149gp 82 points
    Hall 135gp 127 points.

    That’s 65%

    If we look at 5v5 Primary Points (those who drive 5v5 play) we see:

    Lucic 149gp 32 Primary 5v5 points
    Hall 135gp 55 Primary 5v5 points

    That’s 58%

    If anyone is interested, here are the top 30 (and ties) player for total 5v5 primary points over the last 2 years:

    PlayerP1
    CONNOR.MCDAVID88
    PATRICK.KANE73
    EVGENI.MALKIN72
    AUSTON.MATTHEWS70
    NIKITA.KUCHEROV69
    ARTEMI.PANARIN68
    DAVID.PASTRNAK64
    HENRIK.ZETTERBERG64
    BRAD.MARCHAND63
    JOHNNY.GAUDREAU63
    ERIC.STAAL62
    EVGENY.KUZNETSOV62
    ALEX.OVECHKIN61
    SIDNEY.CROSBY61
    JASON.ZUCKER60
    JEFF.SKINNER60
    LEON.DRAISAITL60
    NATHAN.MACKINNON60
    NIKOLAJ.EHLERS60
    RICKARD.RAKELL60
    VLADIMIR.TARASENKO60
    ANDERS.LEE59
    JONATHAN.MARCHESSAULT58
    FILIP.FORSBERG57
    PATRIK.LAINE57
    MARK.SCHEIFELE56
    JORDAN.EBERLE55
    TAYLOR.HALL55
    JAMES.VAN RIEMSDYK54
    JOHN.TAVARES54
    PHIL.KESSEL54

    Lucic’s 32 has him tied for 175th

    This is a fair and accurate assessment IMO. So 58% to 65% in a year where Lucic and the team are struggling and Hall is on fire while not good for us, is not a complete unmitigated disaster. Next season should really tell the tale. We should all be hoping Lucic can approach even 70% playing middle six minutes.

    Coach has to find a way to get $4m of value out of the $6m contract for at least the next two seasons.

  92. Andy Dufresne says:

    Mike Modano’s Dog:
    One question I have about Russell’s contract is about his NMC and how it pertains to the upcoming expansion draft.Being we know Seattle will enter the expansion ranks in 2020/21 I believe it is…does he become a boat anchor we are tied to at that time, and will we need to protect him over our more substantial/wanted defencemen like Klefbom, Larsson, and Nurse?

    I would really hate it if we had to let go of one of those players because of a poorly thought out contract.

    Agreed on the part about not wanting to have to protect him. I think the probabilites are high 70% plus that he is either a compliance buyout in a lockout year or he is moved to team near the cap floor who pays him only 1.5 to 2.5 million and gets a $4m cap hit. (sweetner may be added) OR he waives his limited NMC and does not need to be protected.

    So honestly for your own mental health…dont loose any sleep over this one.

  93. Andy Dufresne says:

    Pouzar:
    Pierre LeBrun

    Verified account

    @PierreVLeBrun5m5 minutes ago
    More
    Hearing that Carolina had preliminary phone call with Mike Futa (LA) Friday; also believe Hurricanes have reached out to former Canucks AGM Laurence Gilman. Belief is Carolina has reached out to Nashville regarding Paul Fenton and Tampa regarding Julien Brisebois, obvious names..

    What….No TMac on their list??!!….Dont these guys read this blog?!

  94. N64 says:

    VOR: I’d go character shopping this summer… The Oilers need to acquire more players who just don’t know how to quit…In different ways the world has been telling these two kids to quit, to give up on their dreams for years. They didn’t get the memo. Both are superb AHL penalty killers

    Character, culture, strong penalty killing. There’s a positive feedback loop there.

  95. Confused says:

    I know this will seem bizarre.

    But the projected lineup is perhaps the balanced lineup we have seen in years.

    Progress?

  96. Andy Dufresne says:

    hags9k:
    VOR,

    Can we please add Talbot to the sit down list?The special teams have been fatal but the autopsy should show that goaltending is right up there as the possible cause of death.

    Single biggest point of failure this year. NO WAY we should enter the season next assuming this level of risk.

  97. stush18 says:

    Georges,

    I agree this roster isn’t nearly as bad as someare suggesting.

    I also don’t think Lucic is as bad as people think. We give Chiarelli shit for trading eberle, but take a look a Lucics shooting percentage this year. It’s below awful.

    I think we can reasonably expect most of this team to return next year, and still return to a top team with a similar lineup.

  98. --hudson-- says:

    Todd’s pre-game availability. Highlights:
    – Klefbom had a minor procedure and is planned to be out for tonight and the game in Calgary.
    – The procedure will help determine whether or not to shutdown Klef
    – Several questions about Ethan Bears handling and development
    – McDavids goal scoring and breakaways (Todd questions the officials)
    – How the coaching staff is not only trying to win, get experience for the young guys, but also get the veterans going.

    Source video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohKHEH3j4Gc
    ————————————————–
    Q: …straight day Oscar Klefbom not on the ice is there an update on that front?
    A: Oscar won’t play tonight and nor will he play, at least the plan is, for him not to play against Calgary, so he’s likely out for the next two games. He had a minor procedure, small one done, that’s gonna keep him out for a couple games.

    Q: Sorry Todd with in regards to Oscar has there been thought of maybe just shutting him down and letting get healthy?
    A: Well part of the part of what is going on right now with Klef is to determine that.

    Q: Ethan Bears game, you still like what you see?
    A: Yeah you know with Ethan he’s four games into his NHL career right now and what tends to happen when you call a young man up like that you really accentuate the positives, and you’re looking for things that are going well in his game, and we found a lot of that. With that in mind you still want to be aware of areas that he needs to improve on. We’re gonna try and work with him in those areas while he’s here and you know the easy part for a young man is to get that opportunity and take advantage of it, and be recognized in a lot of positive areas. The tough part is working on the deficiencies in them and you know like anybody he’s got some things that he needs to improve but we’ve liked a lot of the things that we’ve seen. We think he’s gaining valuable experience and going forward we think he can push and perhaps solidify a full time spot here with a high-end summer of training and getting prepared.

    Q: McDavid said at the start of this year that he focused in the summer on goal scoring and wanted to push the envelope from a goal scoring standpoint. Have you seen him become a more efficient goal scorer this year and if so how?
    A: Well his goal scoring numbers are up which would indicate yes I think he’s generating more chances now, just visually, I don’t have the complete numbers in front of me than he did last year, which is a positive, and he’s doing a lot of it without being overly productive on the powerplay. So if we really want to see his numbers go up, we’ve got to get that fixed and sorted out, and he obviously plays a big role in that area.

    Q: He also said of himself that, this is before, he didn’t consider himself a great breakaway player. It seems that that’s changed. He’s maybe having more success, are you noticing that too?
    A: Well he gets so many of them and, you know, so I guess when you look at what a normal ratio is for hit or miss on a breakaway, I’m not even sure what that number is, but he gets so many of them that his batting average may be real good yet it looks like he fails on a number of them. I think he’s done a good job in game situations to create them. I think he’s finished well in those situations, sometimes I don’t know where the rulebook goes when he’s in those situations, but he’s also done a tremendous job in the shootout this year for us, where it’s been a marked improvement from the past.

    Q: You’re talking about Ethan bear, saying while he’s here, what is the plan for his deployment down the stretch? Is he here till the end of the season or…
    A: He’s here right now and that’s all we worry about, we’re not, as I said the other day, we’re not going to set a timeline for him. We’re not talking about, hey two more games, three more games. We want him to believe that he’s here and when he wakes up in the morning if his feet are in Edmonton, he’s an oiler and he’s going to continue to work with a team. If he wakes up and he’s somewhere else, then he’s got to perform there, and we want him to remain confident and believe that he’s going to be here. So we haven’t laid anything out for him.

    Q: Is it kind of up to him to some extent?
    A: Yes somewhat, you know, he has to be able to play, he has to be able to improve. If he’s doing those things, we’ll continue to look at him.

    Q: You got a pretty desperate team coming in here in the Wild, that need points, are trying to hold on to that playoff spot. So what are some of the challenges for you guys tonight?
    A: Well they’re not only desperate, but they’re very good, one of the best teams in the league since Christmas. I think they’re eight and two in their last ten. They’ve scored a ton of goals, their special teams are clicking, it’ll be a tough task for us tonight to play against this team. Their back end is producing at a very high rate. They’re one of the top producing offensive teams from the blue line right now, in the league, and you know they get good goaltending. So they’re well rounded, they get everything, and you know throw in the fact that they are desperate, but so should we be.

    Q: You mentioned about Bear, is the hard part with him the defensive part? When I talked to him, he says, “head on a swivel there’s so many people coming from behind me”, and where you don’t you see it on the American League, but the players aren’t as good at it as they are here?
    A: Well the best players play in the best league, and that’s the NHL, and you know perhaps the difference between here and there is that Connor McDavid, and Sidney Crosby, and Austin Matthews, and you know Staal will play tonight. Those guys are very gifted, very skilled and they have, they’ve gone through the league numerous times. They’ve learned the tricks of the trade, where Ethan as a young player, he’s working on his position, and all that type of stuff. He’s learning a few of the tricks of the trade, timing and you know, finding these good players find holes at the right times. They just don’t skate for the sake of skating, they are efficient, and he’s learning all of that like any young rookie would.

    Q: Todd, heading down the stretch here, is there a balance where you guys as a coaching staff, would like to see younger players get put in different situations, kind of an evaluation thing, and you’re still trying to win every game that you play? Like is there kind of a fine balance there?
    A: Let’s flip the and around, we’re trying to win every game first, then we’ll look at doing some of those things on an earned basis. I’ve said this numerous times we have an agenda or list. We have some players, it’s not just about getting Ethan Bear ice time, it’s about getting Milan Lucic confident, and playing the way he can. Andrej Sekera, we’re talking about guys that have played in the league for a long time, that only have one month of hockey left, and we want them heading into the summer as confident as they can, and feeling better about their games. Not just those two, but a number of guys, Klef would be another one. Feeling better about their games than they have, maybe at some point during the season, so I understand the, “hey why doesn’t the, you know why don’t we call up those two guys, and put them on the first power play, and let’s see what happens?” It doesn’t, in my opinion, it just doesn’t work that way. You earn that opportunity and we have to we have to make sure that some other players leave the season in the right frame of mind.

  99. Andy Dufresne says:

    Georges: In the interest of keeping facts straight, here’s something I posted on July 7, 2017.

    —-

    Read WG’s post from the morning:

    http://becauseoilers.blogspot.ca/2017/07/oilers-went-from-25th-to-8th-in-nhl-in.html

    I found something interesting in those numbers:

    Oilers 5v5 GF60 w/o CMD

    15-16 1.79 (with Hall in lineup)
    16-17 1.97 (w/o Hall in lineup)

    So the loss of Hall didn’t affect w/o CMD goal production from 15-16 to 16-17. The Oilers scored at a better pace with CMD off the ice in 16-17 (when Hall was off the team) than in 15-16 (when Hall was on the team).

    Let’s look at the flip side, goals against.

    Oilers 5v5 GA60 with CMD

    15-16 3.26
    16-17 2.15

    Oilers 5v5 GA60 w/o CMD

    15-16 2.43
    16-17 2.06

    So removing Hall didn’t hurt offense, getting Larsson helped defense (with and without CMD on the ice). You don’t have to attribute the defensive lift exclusively to Larsson; there are more variables to consider. But you’d be hard pressed to argue against the idea his presence on the team counted for part of the improvement.

    Going into this season, Larsson is a first pairing d-man. This means Chia effectively acquired a first pairing d-man without hurting team offense.

    Think about that. That’s some good GM’ing, no?

    For 17-18, PC removed 3 veteran forwards with a history of scoring at or near top-6 rates from the lineup and replaced them with one young player who was below top-6, an old player who, it turned out, was done, and young players that his HC didn’t trust or couldn’t unlock. He gave his HC a tougher problem to solve in 17-18 than in 16-17. The HC, with no history of solving hard problems, failed to solve this one as well. But the 16-17 configuration had no issue replacing Hall’s offense through the overall lineup.

    Beautiful..Well reasoned. Thank You.

    What this says to me is that the moves made in 2016 will have to wait one more year to gain a clearer understanding of their overall effect on the team.

    Will the young guns mature enough? Does the team regain its playoff positioning? etc

    GM and Coaches jobs are on the line next season. We should see a full court press to make the playoffs……there should be no cap space held in reserve….there should be less “evaluating” and quicker decision making. Much higher probability of in season moves before Christmas if things arent humming at 90% +

  100. Craig Zonit says:

    VOR,

    Character guys, no quit, strong depth in goal scoring and a responsible game. A couple of players come to mind.

    Like Pitlick in Dallas, and the more seasoned Andrew Cogliano in Anaheim. Hold on…

    I understand that the story is Cogliano had to change teams in order to bring his present role as an outscoring checker to full realization. Well, I suppose the question then becomes: who out there is available and is sitting on the precipice of that first phase of their NHL career, who might explode with a team swap and a new role? A William Karlsson type. Or one of your under-the-radar, low acquisition cost AHL producers, buried by NHL depth.

    Maybe Paul Coffey will provide a useful perspective on pro scouting somewhere in the org. He surely wouldn’t have brought in a skater like Nikitin.

  101. Munny says:

    Scungilli Slushy: True but Vor said he coaches mainly throwers. Hockey players are typically lean because it is primarily a cardio sport. They have to be strong, especially in the legs, but it isn’t a power sport.

    Luc mentions it in his interview. Their aren’t many unusually heavy big guys anymore. Byf is one but is a one off. Kessell isn’t typically fit but isn’t tall, I think shorter stockier guys get away with that more. On the other hand it could be hampering his game as to what it could be.

    Another poster mentioned in that thread thatthey felt physique informs performance. I agree as top NHL rookies that progress typically work hard at gaining strength off season. Those that don’t often lag. Hall, Nuge, Connor and Eberle all worked hard to move past teen builds and it was evident quite soon, not nearly as skinny. Which is different than getting too big, just gaining strength to play against men.

    Anecdotally I have a young son who dominates his soccer age group. He is taller than most kids so faster, and is naturally built, he is really strong and muscular.

    That has a bigger effect on things than his skill, there are a fair few players with as good technique as him, not many match his physical advantage at this point. He is also driven, which of course is a huge part of excelIing at anything.

    I am preparing him mentally for the coming years when his advantage diminishes as others catch up in size, and he has started using his teammates more as the end to end rushes get harder to pull off each season as other players grow and can challenge him.

    Actually, I believe it was pole vault. And not to speak for VOR, but IIRC he was a runner himself, so has plenty of background on legs, fitness and speed.

  102. Munny says:

    Craig Zonit,

    Ryan Strome. Pontus Aberg.

  103. Gordies Elbow says:

    stush18:
    Georges,

    I agree this roster isn’t nearly as bad as someare suggesting.

    I also don’t think Lucic is as bad as people think. We give Chiarelli shit for trading eberle, but take a look a Lucics shooting percentage this year. It’s below awful.

    Lucic is an interesting case.

    He’s been a consistent performer since entering the NHL. His points per game since his sophmore season averaged 0.631PPG, with peaks in 09-10 of 0.785 and troughs of 0.400 in 08-09.

    This season, his rolling average to game 47 was 0.638PPG – he was at 30 points, right in line with his usual numbers. He was pretty consistent from the first five games out, and was scoring at his usual clip. He even got to a peak of 0.727PPG on game 33, with a goal and an assist vs. Minnesota. He was +6 in the plus minus, and everything was going along well.

    Starting with game 48, the wheels came completely off. He went 14 games without a single point, is -15 in the plus minus for games from game 48 on. He has two points, a goal and an assist.

    I’ve gone back to watch, and game 48 and onwards, you see Lucic really fighting the puck. People talk about his footspeed (which has never been great) but he’s generally in a position to receive the pass, and then bobbles it. Or gets the puck on the half-wall, and loses it.

    I don’t think that he suddenly lost his hands.

    I think he may be playing with a wrist/hand injury.

    PS: He hasn’t fought since November 18th, and there have been games/incidents where I think that he would normally would have.

  104. Craig Zonit says:

    Munny,

    Agree on Strome. Pontus has a long way to go to show he’s not Lander II imo. Skates better, hoping he finds a long term fit on a line.

  105. Andy Dufresne says:

    Woogie63:
    The Oilers want Draisaitl to be McDavid’s winger that is pretty clear.

    Hopkins is the plan for the number 2 center, we don’t have another center close to being a 2C, he is not getting traded.

    The Oiler’s need to see evidence that Sekera’s injury/age has not caught up to him and he now a third pairing dman.

    Klefbom at worst is our 2LHD.Klefbom, Nurse, Larsson are the defenders core.

    Agreed As humans we tend to look at everything as though it exists only as a snapshot in time.

    For a couple of years now we’ve been obsessing over is Drai a Center or a Winger? When the answer is obvious. These things unfold through time. Hes going to be a Winger until such a time as 1) He is ready to be a full time center (that milestone has been reached already) and 2) The roster is ready to support his move to a full time center role (this has not happened yet)

    Where Klefbom fits into this roster is affected in real time by the progess (or lack there of) in the health of Sekera. IF Sekera due to age and type of injury is no longer deemed to be a reliable top 4 (was functioning as top 3 last year) then the need to retain Klefbom increases.

    None of these decisions is made in a vacuum. They are all heavily contingent on circumstances that go far beyond the individual players advanced stats value at any given time.

    Russell is here in part because Sekera got injured. Hall is not here in (small part) because it was perceived that the team had enough offense without him. IF Klefbom or Nuge is moved this summer it will in large part be due to circumstances and timing.

  106. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    – your 80 percent proxy- Hall has had one of the greatest 25 game streaks in he history of hockey

    – Lucic has scored once since Christmas

    – Hall isn’t he greatest hockey player in the history of the game and Lucic isn’t going to score a goal once every months.

    – last year using your proxy the trade was a win.

    – up to Christmas this year it was a win using your proxy

  107. Andy Dufresne says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Edmonton Oilers
    ‏@EdmontonOilers

    “Minor procedure” for d-man Oscar Klefbom that will keep him out of the #Oilers lineup for the next two games, says Coach McLellan.

    Two games suggests more cortizone shots as opposed to arthroscopic surgery no?

  108. Andy Dufresne says:

    Andy Dufresne: Two games suggests more cortizone shots as opposed to arthroscopic surgery no?

    Unless as someone suggested above….that it was just exploratory.

  109. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Andy Dufresne: NJDCLB and FLORIDA are all at almost identical PDO99.5 99.6 99.6

    FLA’s PDO was in the shitter earlier in the year with iffy goalering.

    Since Jan 30th it’s been 1020.

  110. Munny says:

    I’m gonna be a pedantic A-hole and say “thusly” is not a real word.

    However LT, I really like the newly added Last 10 Games feature!

  111. Munny says:

    Craig Zonit,

    I’m pretty much in the same camp. Aberg looks like he has better tools than Caggiula, yet there isn’t a lot of success thus far when he’s been on the ice. Hopefully that’s just down to luck, new surroundings etc.

  112. VOR says:

    I just want to say I also coach rowers, speed skaters, cyclists, and swimmers.

    Cardio matters in these sports. Maybe more than in hockey.

    I also coach weight lifters, both Olympic and Power Lifting as well as the occasional wrestler. Wrestling is an incredible cardio workout for those of you who have never done it. And I also have coached professional football players from linemen to wide receivers.

    I started out coaching team sports, soccer, basketball, and volleyball as it happens. Then I switched to track and field but started with sprinters and jumpers.

    My coaching career actually goes in four stages. Coaching team sports, track and field, training and conditioning, human performance/neuro-biology. They overlap, often for years but each takes different skills. Very different skills and knowledge.

    What I have learned over 4 decades is that human performance in any sport is the summation of a complex range of factors. And that you need to know the athlete well and work with them extensively before you can hope to improve their performance. Each athlete is an individual and what is right for one is often totally wrong for another.

    Each athlete has an ideal weight for them in terms of optimal performance. You can’t get that weight from some table and you really can’t base it on bias and prejudice. It is what feels right for them.

    Despite her coaches’ wishes Martina Hellmann liked being 178 pounds. At the time everyone said that this is way too light to throw the discus at an elite level according to science and history. Martina said fuck off and holds the Olympic, unofficial world, and World Championship records. Now of course coaches want every female discus thrower to weigh, you guessed it, 178lbs. Because they missed the point. Athletes are individuals, unique individuals and no one size or weight fits all or predicts success.

    I would have to work with Milan for weeks, months, or even years before I felt comfortable screwing with his optimal weight. Well I would never feel comfortable messing with his weight. Form follows function so I’d probably start by changing the functionality of his off season training.

    But that is based on his own comments about the demands of the game changing. Going off his own comments I would work on getting faster, reacting quicker, and being more focussed. Because he has said that is important to him.

    Maybe he gets lighter, maybe he gets heavier, maybe he gets leaner, maybe he gets chubbier. I don’t give a shit. What I care about is he is better at playing hockey. Speed, quickness, and focus are coachable and trainable and they matter on the ice.

    This is not to say that there may not be other issues that are preventing him optimizing his performance. But you need an incredible trust bond before an athlete will let you help them with these issues. Food, weight, and body image are extremely personal issues. That could be especially true for a young man who suffered a disfiguring condition.

    Without knowing the man and knowing him well you can’t make recommendations. That was why I said the team needed to sit down with him and develop a plan with him. And why I wish posters would stop trying to impose their own solutions. None of us knows Milan. We can’t offer anything useful.

    Oh, final thought, first rule of coaching: praise always comes before criticism. Always start by reinforcing the good. Imagine this blog or Twitter if we all followed best coaching practice.

  113. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    – your 80 percent proxy- Hall has had one of the greatest 25 game streaks in he history of hockey

    – Lucic has scored once since Christmas

    – Hall isn’t he greatest hockey player in the history of the game and Lucic isn’t going to score a goal once every months.

    – last year using your proxy the trade was a win.

    – up to Christmas this year it was a win using your proxy

    You can reword your post by saying:

    “If you remove the best stretch of Hall while removing the worst from Lucic it looks better”

    While this is true, it is still removing information.

    You’re biggest problem with me expressing the original comparison with “points per 60” was that it removed the information that Hall played less games so its kinda funny that now you want me to remove information that makes Lucic look better.

    Deliciously funny.

    That said, same metrics, Oct 1 2016 – Dec 25th 2017: (regular season points only)

    Overall Points
    Hall 101 gp 86pts
    Lucic 115gp 76 pts

    88%

    5v5 Primary Points
    Hall 101gp 40pts
    Lucic 115gp 31 primary points

    78%

    You’re right.

    If the world ended at Christmas it would have been better for the comparison.

    In the interest of fairness:

    Same metrics since Christmas:

    Lucic 31gp 6pts
    Hall 30gp 39pts

    15%

    Lucic 31gp 1 primary point
    Hall 30gp 15 primary points

    7%

    My guess is that the immediate future (next year) will bring Lucic running at about ~50% of Hall barring any catastrophic injury for either player and drop from there.

    Lucic is a large man who has played a rugged game.

    The cliff comes at about 31 years old for most of those types of players, but Lucic is a bit different in that he made the NHL at 19 where most players with a physical element make it around 22.

    He’s played 796 regular season games and 114 regular season games for a total of 910 games, which is more than what a physical player has usually played by cliff time at 32 or so.

    This may be his cliff.

    I hope not.

  114. VOR says:

    Munny,

    Pole vault, which I love coaching, falls under jumping in my above bio.

    I did and do run. I used to mile, dropped down to long sprints, tried short sprints and have been running distance for the last 25 years.

  115. Revolved says:

    I would just like to point out that when thinking of/fearing Chiarelli’s next trade, I think it’s important to note that he has traded older for younger players lately. It’s the free agents that are old.

  116. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Andy Dufresne: Two games suggests more cortizone shots as opposed to arthroscopic surgery no?

    It suggest an injury to me.

    The fact that it didn’t happen until Friedman started talking about EDM playing him hurt is very very Oilers.

  117. Nailer Yakumoto says:

    Tiger Woods tied for the lead on the weekend.

  118. who says:

    VOR:
    I just want to say I also coach rowers, speed skaters, cyclists, and swimmers.

    Cardio matters in these sports. Maybe more than in hockey.

    I also coach weight lifters, both Olympic and Power Lifting as well as the occasional wrestler. Wrestling is an incredible cardio workout for those of you who have never done it. And I also have coached professional football players from linemen to wide receivers.

    I started out coaching team sports, soccer, basketball, and volleyball as it happens. Then I switched to track and field but started with sprinters and jumpers.

    My coaching career actually goes in four stages. Coaching team sports, track and field, training and conditioning, human performance/neuro-biology. They overlap, often for years but each takes different skills. Very different skills and knowledge.

    What I have learned over 4 decades is that human performance in any sport is the summation of a complex range of factors. And that you need to know the athlete well and work with them extensively before you can hope to improve their performance. Each athlete is an individual and what is right for one is often totally wrong for another.

    Each athlete has an ideal weight for them in terms of optimal performance. You can’t get that weight from some table and you really can’t base it on bias and prejudice. It is what feels right for them.

    Despite her coaches’ wishes Martina Hellmann liked being 178 pounds. At the time everyone said that this is way too light to throw the discus at an elite level according to science and history. Martina said fuck off and holds the Olympic, unofficial world, and World Championship records. Now of course coaches want every female discus thrower to weigh, you guessed it, 178lbs. Because they missed the point. Athletes are individuals, unique individuals and no one size or weight fits all or predicts success.

    I would have to work with Milan for weeks, months, or even years before I felt comfortable screwing with his optimal weight. Well I would never feel comfortable messing with his weight. Form follows function so I’d probably start by changing the functionality of his off season training.

    But that is based on his own comments about the demands of the game changing. Going off his own comments I would work on getting faster, reacting quicker, and being more focussed. Because he has said that is important to him.

    Maybe he gets lighter, maybe he gets heavier, maybe he gets leaner, maybe he gets chubbier. I don’t give a shit. What I care about is he is better at playing hockey. Speed, quickness, and focus are coachable and trainable and they matter on the ice.

    This is not to say that there may not be other issues that are preventing him optimizing his performance. But you need an incredible trust bond before an athlete will let you help them with these issues. Food, weight, and body image are extremely personal issues. That could be especially true for a young man who suffered a disfiguring condition.

    Without knowing the man and knowing him well you can’t make recommendations. That was why I said the team needed to sit down with him and develop a plan with him. And why I wish posters would stop trying to impose their own solutions. None of us knows Milan. We can’t offer anything useful.

    Oh, final thought, first rule of coaching: praise always comes before criticism. Always start by reinforcing the good. Imagine this blog or Twitter if we all followed best coaching practice.

    This is not directed at you Vor but I wonder why so many people cling to the hope that a change in off season training is going to change Lucics game
    Everything I have read seems to indicate that there is nothing wrong with his work ethic and that he trains hard in the summer..
    Do people really think that at the age of 29 a different training program is going to make him significantly quicker or more skilled?
    He is what he is. What the Oilers need is for his shooting percentage to improve to career average and for the coach to deploy him properly.
    Put him on the third line and forget what you are paying him. He will be fine.

  119. who says:

    sliderule:
    Before we give up on JP consider ice time our first picks have received in season draft plus one and two.

    Hall18.1. 18.1
    Nuge 17.4
    Leon 12.4. 18.0
    Yak.14.314.2
    J.P. 11.1. 13.4

    This is seven minutes less than Hall in his rookie season..Those were different times and other than Leon and JP they were getting pushes but you need ice for results.The oiler coaches don’t have much trust in JP possibly because he is so young and immature compared to Hall and Leon who turned 19 not long after rookieseason started.

    I would like to see the Oilers offer JP an 8 year times 4 million dollar extension this summer. Before he starts getting the premium minutes with Mcdavid. Don’t know if his agent would go for it but I would make that bet on this player.

  120. Andy Dufresne says:

    Woodguy v2.0: FLA’s PDO was in the shitter earlier in the year with iffy goalering.

    Since Jan 30th it’s been 1020.

    Gotcha. Thank You.

    If you have easy access….what has NJ PDO been since Jan 30th?

  121. Andy Dufresne says:

    who: I would like to see the Oilers offer JP an 8 year times 4 million dollar extension this summer. Before he starts getting the premium minutes with Mcdavid. Don’t know if his agent would go for it but I would make that bet on this player.

    Interesting Debate Point.

    Do the Oilers continue a pattern that started with Hall, Ebbs and Nuge of paying in advance of established NHL performance? In esscence banking on a futures investment

    Or, have they turned that corner with a stable core (McDavid, Leon, Larsson, Nurse etc) where gambling on futures is no longer viewed as smart/neccessary. Just pay players what they are worth WHEN they are worth it. (that does not mean you stop looking for value contracts)

    For me, if Im resigning JP today, Im not going long term at $4m.

    If hes a middle six winger next year I highly doubt he performs at a level that takes his contract past the $4m AVV mark.

    Point being…..Im not risking an overpay and if he overachieves then fine Im happy with that too, Ive got a top line winger and I pay him like one.

  122. v4ance says:

    My objection against trading Klef and RNH is that they are mid career vets at 25 years old. Trading either of them will push the window of contention another year further into the future. Philosophically, I believe the best teams have their core players around the age of 21 to 28 years old to maintain long periods of contention.

    Having too many players outside that age range means that you are either living with a lot of rookie mistakes or having too many declining vets whose production you can’t count on.

    Some believe that Lucic may bounce back next year but I have major doubts. It’s like no one remembers the fall offs in the careers of David Clarkson, Shawn Horcoff or Andrew Ference once they hit their 30’s.

    On a personal note, I’ll be attending my first game at Rogers tonight. It’s very bittersweet for me as I am cheering for losses to improve our lottery odds. My optimal result would be a 5 goal game for Slep (Million dollar Score and win baby!!), 6 pts for McDavid and a 7 to 6 shootout loss for maximum entertainment.

  123. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Russell and Lucic’s NMCs null those deals. Sekera probably has negative value with his term and slow return to form, hard to trade him and he could be an internal solution to some problems if or when he does bounce back.

    Strome is the last guy I trade from that list. I think there’s value in a guy who can score 35-40P from the 3rd line, hopefully as close to 2.5M as possible, don’t know if that would require arbitration with his QO. Him and Khaira have been strong PKers by eye, haven’t looked in to the numbers.

  124. Andy Dufresne says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Russell and Lucic’s NMCs null those deals. Sekera probably has negative value with his term and slow return to form, hard to trade him and he could be an internal solution to some problems if or when he does bounce back.

    Strome is the last guy I trade from that list. I think there’s value in a guy who can score 35-40P from the 3rd line, hopefully as close to 2.5M as possible, don’t know if that would require arbitration with his QO. Him and Khaira have been strong PKers by eye, haven’t looked in to the numbers.

    ~That would mean we won the Eberle trade…..that cant be right…….go back and rework your thesis~.

  125. who says:

    Andy Dufresne: Interesting Debate Point.

    Do the Oilers continue a pattern that started with Hall, Ebbs and Nuge of paying in advance of established NHL performance? In esscence banking on a futures investment

    Or, have they turned that corner with a stable core (McDavid, Leon, Larsson, Nurse etc) where gambling on futures is no longer viewed as smart/neccessary. Just pay players what they are worth WHEN they are worth it.(that does not mean you stop looking for value contracts)

    For me, if Im resigning JP today, Im not going long term at $4m.

    If hes a middle six winger next year I highly doubt he performs at a level that takes his contract past the $4m AVV mark.

    Point being…..Im not risking an overpay and if he overachieves then fine Im happy with that too, Ive got a top line winger and I pay him like one.

    My reasoning is that 4 million per year is a pretty reasonable contract for a second line winger. And I think he gets there easily in the first year of that extension. I think the upside far outweighs the minimal downside risk. At worst you will overpay him by a million dollars for 2 or 3 years. If he puts up big points with Mcdavid you will probably end up paying him 5 or 6 minimum.
    If I’m his agent I tell him to sign a bridge and bet on himself.

  126. leadfarmer says:

    Andy Dufresne: Two games suggests more cortizone shots as opposed to arthroscopic surgery no?

    No one misses two games from a cortisone shot. I’m guessing they put a scope in his shoulder to take a look at the damage. Guessing Klefbom wants to finish the season whether or not they actually have to fix anything. Casual fans suggest shut him down season is lost but these guys typically want to play

  127. OmJo says:

    Sekera, 2018 3rd, Yamamoto, Cagguila to St. Louis for Colton Parayko.

    Not verified by NHL 18.

    Get it done Chiarelli!

  128. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Munny: Actually, I believe it was pole vault. And not to speak for VOR, but IIRC he was a runner himself, so has plenty of background on legs, fitness and speed.

    There is so much we don’t know, we can only go by what scraps we glean and our own experiences which make us think what we do.

    I just hope things come together for the team and an awful lot of the players.

  129. Professor Q says:

    OmJo:
    Sekera, 2018 3rd, Yamamoto, Cagguila to St. Louis for Colton Parayko.

    Not verified by NHL 18.

    Get it done Chiarelli!

    Holy overpay. Drinking already?

    Chiarelli will be heavily criticized no matter what he does, however.

  130. OmJo says:

    Larsson, 2018 1st round pick to Florida for Ekblad.

    Not verified by NHL 18.

    Get it done Chiarelli.

    A top four of

    Klefbom-Eklbad
    Nurse-Parayko

    That’s the kind of stuff dreams are made of.

  131. OmJo says:

    Professor Q: Holy overpay. Drinking already?

    Desperate times call for BOLD moves my friend.

    Edit: Also, I don’t think it’s too much of an overpayment. If they’ll do it without Yamamoto then by all means, get it done Chiarelli!

  132. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Andy Dufresne: ~That would mean we won the Eberle trade…..that cant be right…….go back and rework your thesis~.

    I wish EDM had Eberle and Strome, Eberle if I had to choose between the two. The cap differences make it closer. It’s not a Hall-Larsson level lopsided trade.

    I would turn RNH into a similar calibre, similar aged winger. Skinner? Saad? Then run 97-Drai-Strome down the middle.

  133. Scungilli Slushy says:

    VOR:
    I just want to say I also coach rowers, speed skaters, cyclists, and swimmers.

    Cardio matters in these sports. Maybe more than in hockey.

    I also coach weight lifters, both Olympic and Power Lifting as well as the occasional wrestler. Wrestling is an incredible cardio workout for those of you who have never done it. And I also have coached professional football players from linemen to wide receivers.

    I started out coaching team sports, soccer, basketball, and volleyball as it happens. Then I switched to track and field but started with sprinters and jumpers.

    My coaching career actually goes in four stages. Coaching team sports, track and field, training and conditioning, human performance/neuro-biology. They overlap, often for years but each takes different skills. Very different skills and knowledge.

    What I have learned over 4 decades is that human performance in any sport is the summation of a complex range of factors. And that you need to know the athlete well and work with them extensively before you can hope to improve their performance. Each athlete is an individual and what is right for one is often totally wrong for another.

    Each athlete has an ideal weight for them in terms of optimal performance. You can’t get that weight from some table and you really can’t base it on bias and prejudice. It is what feels right for them.

    Despite her coaches’ wishes Martina Hellmann liked being 178 pounds. At the time everyone said that this is way too light to throw the discus at an elite level according to science and history. Martina said fuck off and holds the Olympic, unofficial world, and World Championship records. Now of course coaches want every female discus thrower to weigh, you guessed it, 178lbs. Because they missed the point. Athletes are individuals, unique individuals and no one size or weight fits all or predicts success.

    I would have to work with Milan for weeks, months, or even years before I felt comfortable screwing with his optimal weight. Well I would never feel comfortable messing with his weight. Form follows function so I’d probably start by changing the functionality of his off season training.

    But that is based on his own comments about the demands of the game changing. Going off his own comments I would work on getting faster, reacting quicker, and being more focussed. Because he has said that is important to him.

    Maybe he gets lighter, maybe he gets heavier, maybe he gets leaner, maybe he gets chubbier. I don’t give a shit. What I care about is he is better at playing hockey. Speed, quickness, and focus are coachable and trainable and they matter on the ice.

    This is not to say that there may not be other issues that are preventing him optimizing his performance. But you need an incredible trust bond before an athlete will let you help them with these issues. Food, weight, and body image are extremely personal issues. That could be especially true for a young man who suffered a disfiguring condition.

    Without knowing the man and knowing him well you can’t make recommendations. That was why I said the team needed to sit down with him and develop a plan with him. And why I wish posters would stop trying to impose their own solutions. None of us knows Milan. We can’t offer anything useful.

    Oh, final thought, first rule of coaching: praise always comes before criticism. Always start by reinforcing the good. Imagine this blog or Twitter if we all followed best coaching practice.

    Well put.

    I was commenting based on his own words but of course one size doesn’t fit all.

    We do know he has consistently been a quality NHL player. There is no obvious reason that can’t continue under the best circumstances.

  134. VOR says:

    who: This is not directed at you Vor but I wonder why so many people cling to the hope that a change in off season training is going to change Lucics game
    Everything I have read seems to indicate that there is nothing wrong with his work ethic and that he trains hard in the summer..
    Do people really think that at the age of 29 a different training program is going to make him significantly quicker or more skilled?
    He is what he is. What the Oilers need is for his shooting percentage to improve to career average and for the coach to deploy him properly.
    Put him on the third line and forget what you are paying him. He will be fine.

    I can only answer for myself.

    I suspect their are issues that are impeding Milan’s maximum performance. The team should work with Milan to resolve these issues if possible or help him improve his ability to cope with them if no resolution is possible. That may or may not involve off season training changes. Milan himself has suggested he wants to make improvements in that training.

    At 29 he is certainly not too old to be reborn as an impact hockey player.

    Is it reasonable to expect him to succeed?

    I can assure you there are many coaches he could work with who would make him quicker. There are even a handful of coaches who could help him be more skilled. The right program, combined with Milan’s work ethic could work wonders.

    Will it?

    I have no idea but I think it is worth a shot.

  135. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Woodguy v2.0: It suggest an injury to me.

    The fact that it didn’t happen until Friedman started talking about EDM playing him hurt is very very Oilers.

    Sadly so Oilers. Maybe we should crowd source to pay someone to make public what we think should be done if they won’t do obvious things.

  136. Gayfish says:

    I don’t understand why you wouldn’t let players play injured, especially in a lost season.
    #KanyeforGM10

  137. Andy Dufresne says:

    leadfarmer: No one misses two games from a cortisone shot.I’m guessing they put a scope in his shoulder to take a look at the damage.Guessing Klefbom wants to finish the season whether or not they actually have to fix anything.Casual fans suggest shut him down season is lost but these guys typically want to play

    yeah I later ammend it to say……or most likely exploratory scope…..meaning no actual procedure/repair at this point.

  138. Andy Dufresne says:

    Gayfish:
    I don’t understand why you wouldn’t let players play injured, especially in a lost season.
    #KanyeforGM10

    Some injurys are of the nature that the doctors tell them that they cant damage it any more by playing injured….its pretty common across all teams in the league

  139. Gayfish says:

    Andy Dufresne: Some injurys are of the nature that the doctors tell them that they cant damage it any more by playing injured….its pretty common across all teams in the league

    I’ll take long term injuries that don’t require rest for 500 Alex.

  140. Andy Dufresne says:

    Gayfish: I’ll take long term injuries that don’t require rest for 500 Alex.

    Some injurys are of the nature that the doctors tell them that they cant damage it any more by playing injured….its pretty common across all teams in the league

    or did you think theyre just Dotards who are out to end the career of their $28 million dollar investment.

    Yeah……you’re right….youre theory makes way more sense.

  141. Scungilli Slushy says:

    who: This is not directed at you Vor but I wonder why so many people cling to the hope that a change in off season training is going to change Lucics game
    Everything I have read seems to indicate that there is nothing wrong with his work ethic and that he trains hard in the summer..
    Do people really think that at the age of 29 a different training program is going to make him significantly quicker or more skilled?
    He is what he is. What the Oilers need is for his shooting percentage to improve to career average and for the coach to deploy him properly.
    Put him on the third line and forget what you are paying him. He will be fine.

    If he has been training for a no longer existent game then it could help somewhat. I mentioned Ovi who lost a bunch of weight and has returned to a better form after many years.

    Although checking the NHL site they still have him at 235 so maybe the camp reports weren’t accurate or he had gone way over that. Players said he was leaner this camp and he spoke a about it.

    I agree with Vor at the end of the day only performance matters. My thought is that there are very few successful outliers and there is an optimal physical type for most positions in sports.

    Not because that is critical but because most athletes don’t have that extra edge that makes it work. It’s like how the league follows like lemmings to the cliff the latest cup winners instead of maximizing their existing roster and becoming the next thing like I think Vegas Hawks Pens and maybe Tampa does.

    As Vor basically said there are so many factors involved the best plan is maximize what you have as a player and team.

  142. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Andy Dufresne: Some injurys are of the nature that the doctors tell them that they cant damage it any more by playing injured….its pretty common across all teams in the league

    or did you think theyre just Dotards who are out to end the career of their $28 million dollar investment.

    Yeah……you’re right….youre theory makes way more sense.

    The Oilers have a history here. I don’t think they make good decisions around injuries and timing. They have given no reason for trust in a long time.

    If PC and McL know they aren’t getting the pipe they should be completely about next season. I’m sure all players would be on board because this one is toast.

  143. Gayfish says:

    Andy Dufresne: Some injurys are of the nature that the doctors tell them that they cant damage it any more by playing injured….its pretty common across all teams in the league

    or did you think theyre just Dotards who are out to end the career of their $28 million dollar investment.

    Yeah……you’re right….youre theory makes way more sense.

    I think that if it is bone, joint, or muscle it requires some form of rest. You may not make it worse, but you aren’t allowing it to heal. It’s one thing to play through it if there’s something on the line, but otherwise you are just moving your timeline to heal back. It’s especially bad when your performance is imparied, and there is no reasonable reason for you to be out there. I’ve played through high ankle sprains, should injuries, and concussions (it was a different time), but I would never have done that in a nothing season. It only makes sense to play injured if you are still better than the next guy up, and there is something worth playing for.

    If you can name an injury that is long term, impacts performance, and doesn’t require rest to heal, I would love to hear your input. We aren’t talking bruises, or colds.

  144. YKOil says:

    The issue with Klefbom… just shut him down already.

    Sekera is a trade-able commodity imo. Without being an asshat about it you simply let him know that he will probably be stuck playing 3rd pair minutes behind Klefbom and Nurse and let him and his agent know that they can, discreetly, look for a trade for him.

    I would also talk to Carolina and Buffalo as he played there before so may have comfort with those teams and both teams can easily absorb his salary/cap.

    Buffalo would be an interesting landing spot as he would, almost instantly, be a top-pair contender (him or Scandella); this also works best for the Oilers as Buffalo NEEDS a guy like Sekera to bolster/balance/save their defense. Buffalo can also send back a manageable salary in trade – like Beaulieu or Moulson – and this will help maximize return in regards to getting a good prospect or draft pick back. I suggest Moulson in order to maximize trade returns.

    I am sure Oiler’s management has already thought of all of this however and that trading a low-value Klefbom is the only way to proceed.

  145. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Andy Dufresne: Gotcha. Thank You.

    If you have easy access….what has NJ PDO been since Jan 30th?

    986

    7.32% SH
    .913 SV%

  146. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    – Thanks – I was right then some right it you used that 80%. Yet untill now, you would not concede that untill to Christmas Chia was the clear winner based on your scorecard of the trade.

    – And yes you are right that based on the greatest streak in hockey history vs 1 goal by Lucic, Hall is now doing better.

    – Lucic wasn’t replacing Hall. Healthy Hall scores more goals than healthy Lucic. That’s not going to change. For sure we would like this Hall on this team.

  147. Andy Dufresne says:

    Woodguy v2.0: 986

    7.32% SH
    .913 SV%

    Thank you…..Wow…thats a real surprise to me……

  148. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    LadiesloveSmid,

    Russell and Lucic’s NMCs null those deals.

    List of players with NMC who have been traded since last spring:

    Hartnell
    Pominville
    Hjarlmasson
    Nash (trade deadline)
    Phaneuf
    Fleury (waived to be exposed to expansion draft)
    Filppula

    While a NMC makes it tougher to move a player many posters here treat is as a 100% stop sign and that’s just not true given how many players with them get traded every year.

  149. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Do the Oilers have les talent than other teams?

    I am not convinced especially after Vegas’ year that the issue is there.

    One thing PC has done is populated the roster with NHL quality players mostly if not entirely.

    No more AHL or less players in key roles.

    I can only think it’s coaching. The org depth is low, there have been a lot of injuries again, but it is more than just prospects playing below needed levels.

    I think McL is a good coach, I also think not for this group and org.

    They need a guy who can maximize players until there is enough depth for support, and we’ll always.

    Chiarelli has value, but it is more than clear now not as a deal maker.

    I’d change PCs role and hire a new coaching staff if Q or Boudreau came up. The Canes are also smart jumping the gun to get the best GM available before all the cautious teams can their guys in the summer.

    If I knew of a couple of guys I wanted I’d discreetly put out feelers and move now if I ‘had to ask the question ‘ or he needed ‘another opinion ‘. You either believe or you don’t, there has been enough track now. Rough track.

  150. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Gayfish:
    I don’t understand why you wouldn’t let players play injured, especially in a lost season.
    #KanyeforGM10

    I think we should ask Sheldon Souray about it

  151. Andy Dufresne says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    – Thanks –I was right then some right it you used that 80%.Yet untill now, you would not concede that untill to Christmas Chia was the clear winner based on your scorecard of the trade.

    – And yes you are right that based on the greatest streak in hockey history vs 1 goal by Lucic, Hall is now doing better.

    – Lucic wasn’t replacing Hall.Healthy Hall scores more goals than healthy Lucic.That’s not going to change.For sure we would like this Hall on this team.

    Gayfish: I think that if it is bone, joint, or muscle it requires some form of rest. You may not make it worse, but you aren’t allowing it to heal. It’s one thing to play through it if there’s something on the line, but otherwise you are just moving your timeline to heal back. It’s especially bad when your performance is imparied, and there is no reasonable reason for you to be out there. I’ve played through high ankle sprains, should injuries, and concussions (it was a different time), but I would never have done that in a nothing season. It only makes sense to play injured if you are still better than the next guy up, and there is something worth playing for.

    If you can name an injury that is long term, impacts performance, and doesn’t require rest to heal, I would love to hear your input. We aren’t talking bruises, or colds.

    Uhh I dont know….Low IQ caused by childhood neglect?

    I dont know what his injury is and neither do you……but your conclusion is that the team doctors and the the org as a whole and even Oscar himself and his Agent, are to stupid to know what to do.

    I choose to side with them, without first hand knowledge, as opposed to siding with your rediculous assertion. On this point I dont value your input.

    So sue me.

  152. Andy Dufresne says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I think we should ask Sheldon Souray about it

    or Oscar Klefbom and his Agent

    Team just sat Nuge for a month….and sent Larsson home for an extended leave….But they Hate Dreamy and want to send him a message….argue all you want……Im not buying it.

  153. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    LadiesloveSmid,

    Russell and Lucic’s NMCs null those deals.

    List of players with NMC who have been traded since last spring:

    Hartnell
    Pominville
    Hjarlmasson
    Nash (trade deadline)
    Phaneuf
    Fleury (waived to be exposed to expansion draft)
    Filppula

    While a NMC makes it tougher to move a player many posters here treat is as a 100% stop sign and that’s just not true given how many players with them get traded every year.

    Playing below expected levels should provide a nice entry into those convos. They are vets and who wants to be that guy hamstringing the team with their cap and getting crap in a hot market?

    Move on. Especially if the wheels are getting rusty or falling off, play in a nice warmer weather anonymous market and have an nice lifestyle for a few years until done, golf year round!

  154. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    Yet untill now, you would not concede that until to Christmas Chia was the clear winner based on your scorecard of the trade.

    I don’t think that Chia was the clear winner from day 1 and that hasn’t changed.

    There was a possibility that it worked out until Lucic fell off the cliff (I like Larsson more than most here at the time of the trade because of how he showed in my Dman study)

    I had hoped that Lucic could help drive a non-McDavid line.

    When Lucic-RNH-Eberle got hot last February that was the Lucic I was hoping for who helped drive the Lucic-Krejci-Horton line, but it was only a couple of months (and absent in the playoffs) that it happened.

    February-March 2017. The 2 months that it worked out for Peter.

    Lucic’s non-McDavid points have been mediocre at best since he got here and that’s what he was counted on to produce as that is where Hall would have produced.

  155. Andy Dufresne says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    Yet untill now, you would not concede that until to Christmas Chia was the clear winner based on your scorecard of the trade.

    I don’t think that Chia was the clear winner from day 1 and that hasn’t changed.

    There was a possibility that it worked out until Lucic fell off the cliff (I like Larsson more than most here at the time of the trade because of how he showed in my Dman study)

    I had hoped that Lucic could help drive a non-McDavid line.

    When Lucic-RNH-Eberle got hot last February that was the Lucic I was hoping for who helped drive the Lucic-Krejci-Horton line, but it was only a couple of months (and absent in the playoffs) that it happened.

    February-March 2017.The 2 months that it worked out for Peter.

    Lucic’s non-McDavid points have been mediocre at best since he got here and that’s what he was counted on to produce as that is where Hall would have produced.

    This is fair and accurate IMO. It goes without saying that its still a work in progress and the trend could reverse itself in 2018-19. Odds are as youve already posited in any earlier post, that Lucic should regress to mean….but by how much….only time will tell.

    Im not overly optimistic….we need two years of Lucic at 40+ pts (away from McDavid)….thats in large part on the Coach to utilize him effectively.

  156. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Andy Dufresne: This is fair and accurate. It goes without saying that its still a work in progress and the trend could reverse itself in 2018-19.Odds are as yove already posited in any earlier post, that Lucic will regress to mean….but by how much….only time will tell.

    Im not overly optimistic….we need two years of Lucic at 40+ pts….thats in large part on the Coach to utilize him effectively.

    I am starting to wonder. So many players move on and are at least useful and productive elsewhere. So many Oilers are below norms.

    It has been for years but now the roster isn’t awful. This team can dominate 5v5 with so many players in the tank.

    Something isn’t right, maybe a good coach for the wrong team at the wrong time. I’m not suggesting wild take a flyer change but if a significant name comes up with a history of coaching teams to good results with an offensive puck moving game that gets guys motivated and playing their best I’d be in.

  157. Gayfish says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Uhh I dont know….Low IQ caused by childhood neglect?

    I dont know what his injury is and neither do you……but your conclusion is that the team doctors and the the org as a whole and even Oscar himself and his Agent,are to stupid to know what to do.

    I choose to side with them, without first hand knowledge, as opposed to siding with your rediculous assertion. On this point I dont value your input.

    So sue me.

    It is a pretty rediculous assertion, but even if the injury isn’t itself getting worse, you are potentially throwing your body out of alignment, or increasing odds for other injuries through compensation. For example, if you hurt your lower back, you may develop anterior pelvic tilt, which can tighten your hamstrings. It’s all connected.

    This team is way past benefit of the doubt when it comes to this. I’m telling you that Milan Lucic is too shitty to be playing NHL hockey right now. If he is hurt, he needs to sit. There is an argument to be made that Klefbom playing shitty (hurt) was a worse option than calling someone up.

  158. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    Lucic 5v5 pts/60 and 5v5 Primary Points/60

    I’m only analyzing one player so you should be ok with “per 60”

    Pts/60 overall
    16/17 1.21 (4th line rate)
    17/18 1.50 (3nd line rate)

    Primary Pts/60
    16/17 1.00 (3rd line rate)
    17/18 0.85 (4th line rate)

    Same metrics, but only TOI away from McDavid

    Pts/60 w/o 97
    16/17 1.05 (4th line rate)
    17/18 1.53 (3rd line rate)

    Primary Pts/60 w/o 97
    16/17 0.88 (4th line rate)
    17/18 0.94 (4th line rate)

    Its pretty dismal.

    The only thing that saved Lucic’s totals overall were the PP points last year.

    Here are Lucic’s raw PP points every year since he entered the league:

    Player Season PP Points
    MILAN.LUCIC 2008-2009 8
    MILAN.LUCIC 2010-2011 14
    MILAN.LUCIC 2011-2012 10
    MILAN.LUCIC 2012-2013 2
    MILAN.LUCIC 2013-2014 12
    MILAN.LUCIC 2014-2015 8
    MILAN.LUCIC 2015-2016 8
    MILAN.LUCIC 2016-2017 25
    MILAN.LUCIC 2017-2018 6

    One of these things is not like the others.
    One of these things just doesn’t belong
    Can you tell which one of these things is not like the others
    By the time I’m finished this song?

  159. Wilde says:

    who: I would like to see the Oilers offer JP an 8 year times 4 million dollar extension this summer. Before he starts getting the premium minutes with Mcdavid. Don’t know if his agent would go for it but I would make that bet on this player.

    This type of deal is what I’d be in favour of as well, but its likeliness should be docked by the possibility that Jesse’s agent has already won negotiations in the form of bonuses and first year ELC burning.

    Doubt he looks at a likely coaching change as anything but an opportunity to wait things out.

    Between Todd and Gerry, Jesse’s NA production has probably been shanked a considerable amount to this point. We have that going for us.

    ———————————————————————————————————————

    We’re not in the mustiest part of the basement, but you can smell it from here.

    ARI– 0.402 / / 4th @ 51.9% / / 48.1% – 18%

    BUF – 0.405 / / 4th @ 33.7% / / 36.2% – 12.5%
    —————————————————
    OTT – 0.425 / / 5th @ 39.1% / / 31.2% – 10.5%

    VAN – 0.434 / / 6th @ 35.5% / / 28.6% – 9.5%
    —————————————————
    MTL – 0.456 / / 6th @ 32.8% / / 25.9% – 8.5%

    EDM – 0.462 / / 7th @ 38.2% / / 23.4% – 7.6%
    —————————————————
    DET – 0.463 / / 8th @ 39.7% / / 20.9% – 6.7%

    CHI – 0.478 / / 9th @ 38.1% / / 18.3% – 5.8%

    ———————————————————————————————————————–

    As I write this, Arizona’s about to drop another one in regulation.

    It’s starting to look more and more like EDM’s gonna end up with the slot DET is right now, maybe further out than that.

    Among the bottom cluster of 5v5 score and venue adjusted CF% in the last 10, sits Vancouver, Buffalo, NYR, and Detroit. Edmonton’s not far out, but the difference is there. With Talbot rounding into form as well, well.

    5.8% is still more than half of 11.5%, so.

    On Minnesota, they’re in an interesting spot as a franchise.

    I wonder at what point they begin to tear it down? They’ve got two of the worst contracts in the league in longevity. Staal is 33, Parise too, Koivu 34, Suter too.

    I gotta say, though, I would do unspeakable things for EDM to get a Jared Spurgeon. I use to think it was Suter making him look good, but I think it’s starting to turn around. Either way they’re incredible. Here’s my quick WOWY for them:

    Koivu with Spurgeon / / without

    55% / / 45% CF
    65% / / 54% SCF
    73% / / 53% HDCF

    Staal (no one seems to be able to help this lines possession much)

    49% / / 49% CF
    50% / / 50% SCF
    61% / / 51% HDCF

    Coyle

    50% / / 44% CF
    55% / / 45% SCF
    67% / / 49% HDCF

    Say, there’s another undersized two way defensemen coming through Spokane right now like Spurgeon did, isn’t there LT?

    Ty will go ~140 picks sooner of course, and on merit. When I was checking his boxcars, his +48 caught my eye.

  160. Bling says:

    Lucic is a nice example of the eye and the numbers lining up. He is below average to horrible at so many facets of the game that the mind boggles.

    I cannot believe how slow he is in the defensive zone. Picking up the trailer, making plays off the boards, outlet passes to the centre, all of it is just trash.

    There is no way that Lucic is moveable, and even if he was, we don’t have anyone smart enough in a management role to pull it off.

  161. Wilde says:

    OmJo,

    I’m not certain Ekblad is even markedly better than Larsson.

  162. McSorley33 says:

    We can’t talk about anything until Nicholson cleans house in April.

    Too much value flushed away in the last 36 months.

    I got all kinds of time for Larsson and Klefbom rebounding next year.

    But *gaping* hole on RD …combined with

    Not
    Enough
    Talent

    at the winger position.

    One draft is not going to fix our talent deficit.

  163. Wilde says:

    McSorley33:
    We can’t talk about anything until Nicholson cleans house in April.

    Too much value flushed away in the last 36 months.

    I got all kinds of time for Larsson and Klefbom rebounding next year.

    But *gaping* hole on RD …combined with

    Not
    Enough
    Talent

    at the winger position.

    One draft is not going to fix our talent deficit.

    Nicholson is just as poisonous to this franchise as anyone else is.

    He’s already ‘cleaned house’ once.

    As for the roster, the team needs two wingers to make the playoffs. The D corps will be fine, fire Todd.

  164. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Wilde:
    OmJo,

    I’m not certain Ekblad is even markedly better than Larsson.

    I’m fairly certain he isn’t at this point.

    Concussions are horrible.

  165. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Wilde: Nicholson is just as poisonous to this franchise as anyone else is.

    He’s already ‘cleaned house’ once.

    As for the roster, the team needs two wingers to make the playoffs. The D corps will be fine, fire Todd.

    Disagree.

    Dcorps isn’t fine.

    Keep Klef and get a real 2RD.

    Dcorps has been the biggest issue with this team, not wingers imo.

    77-6 both having bad years due to injury.

    4 regresses to the meat and is 43% GF away from 97

    2 is statistically the worst Dman on the roster since he came back.

    83 started slow but has been v.good lately.

    Except for 25 it’s been the show of gong this year.

    Injuries are a real bitch.

  166. leadfarmer says:

    Bling,

    I’m not convinced management sees him as an issue

  167. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Dammit, Both the sharks and kings lost… Calgary still hanging in there in part because other teams are starting to lose more often. Grrr…

  168. Wilde says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Here’s the thing: It costs more to fill RHD than it does the wing, for equal or lesser returns.

    The assets this team has for trade are a scarce supply. I don’t think you can “fix” both, and fixing the D gets much easier next summer after Sekera bounces back, Russell’s modifications change, etc.

    The trouble is that keeping everyone AND adding a significant piece to the D corps will run us up to 30M there. That’s Detroit territory. (keep Kenny Holland out of my town)

    The transition play of the defence has indeed been the biggest killer of this team at evens this year, but I think that’s more due to McLellan’s system forcing our guys to have to outplay the forecheck quite handily in order to retain meaningful possession. I’d like to see a bargain option at 2RD, TvR or Franson, over coughing up whatever Colin Miller/Tyson Barrie/Justin Faulk will cost.

    It’s very difficult to evaluate the defense under this coaching staff. Gallant has 1100 minutes of Engelland nearing 50%.

    Basically, it comes down to a risk somewhere. I’d risk the Dcorps being carryable at 5v5, with what should be a top 10 powerplay and a 180+ 5v5 goal team if you shore up LW and acquire better coaching staff.

  169. Bank Shot says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Disagree.

    Dcorps isn’t fine.

    Keep Klef and get a real 2RD.

    Dcorps has been the biggest issue with this team, not wingers imo.

    77-6 both having bad years due to injury.

    4 regresses to the meat and is 43% GF away from 97

    2 is statistically the worst Dman on the roster since he came back.

    83 started slow but has been v.good lately.

    Except for 25 it’s been the show of gong this year.

    Injuries are a real bitch.

    Agreed on this. And for all the praise Nurse has gotten this year, his shifts can srill be an adventure at times.

    Walk him down the bridge unless he wants to sign long term at less than $4.5 M per season.

  170. Bank Shot says:

    jtblack: NJ goes on Road for 6. No “Free Bingo” squares on the trip. The opposite.Nash, VGs, LA, ANA, SJ, PIT .Ouch!

    If NJ gets in they will have earned it.

    Edm Sucks. That is All

    Am I the only one rooting against NJ?

    I like Hall, but I see too many Oilers fans praising everything NJ to a fault.

    They are a crap team that is riding the percentages thia seaaon.

  171. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Bank Shot: Am I the only one rooting against NJ?

    I like Hall, but I see too many Oilers fans praising everything NJ to a fault.

    They are a crap team that is riding the percentages thia seaaon.

    I’m kinda rooting against them. And also against NYI.
    Only cause the oilers aren’t making the playoffs, and the fact I was one of those people who didn’t want either of them traded in the first place. Even after Eberles terrible playoffs.

    Oh, and f@$& Calgary! Hope they miss the playoffs forever until they move to Seattle! :p

  172. Bank Shot says:

    Crazy Pedestrian: I’m kinda rooting against them. And also against NYI.
    Only cause the oilers aren’t making the playoffs, and the fact I was one of those people who didn’t want either of them traded in the first place. Even after Eberles terrible playoffs.

    Oh, and f@$& Calgary! Hope they miss the playoffs forever until they move to Seattle! :p

    Oh yeah. Calgary finishing in 9th wpuld be perfect.

    Its funny. Treliving has made a lot of good moves there. Especially when it comes to contracts.

    But if the Flames miss the playoffs this season the only questions anyone will be asking are:

    Why didnt he get a 1B to share the load with Mike Smith?

    And

    Why in the heck didn’t he lottery protect his 1st in the Hamonic trade.

  173. Gayfish says:

    Crazy Pedestrian: I’m kinda rooting against them. And also against NYI.
    Only cause the oilers aren’t making the playoffs, and the fact I was one of those people who didn’t want either of them traded in the first place. Even after Eberles terrible playoffs.

    Oh, and f@$& Calgary! Hope they miss the playoffs forever until they move to Seattle! :p

    I’d rather they go to Houston. I’d actually like to cheer for Seattle.

  174. Numenius says:

    Two positives I take from this awful year:

    1) Management should be able to sign players for less than if they’d had a playoff year, and most of those players should bounce back or continue to improve. e.g. Talbot, Benning, Nurse, Slepyshev.

    If they had made the playoffs, it’s hard to see them not having asked for cap killing salaries (though I could have forgiven that with a cup win).

    2) TMac has more of a chance of being replaced. Here I’m with Godot. I’ve never been convinced McLellan is the right coach, as good of a guy as he is.

  175. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    LadiesloveSmid,

    Russell and Lucic’s NMCs null those deals.

    List of players with NMC who have been traded since last spring:

    Hartnell
    Pominville
    Hjarlmasson
    Nash (trade deadline)
    Phaneuf
    Fleury (waived to be exposed to expansion draft)
    Filppula

    While a NMC makes it tougher to move a player many posters here treat is as a 100% stop sign and that’s just not true given how many players with them get traded every year.

    Truth. It just means the player has complete control of the situation, and we know those change.

  176. Professor Q says:

    Gayfish: I’d rather they go to Houston. I’d actually like to cheer for Seattle.

    Plus, with the brewing rivalry between the Browns and Texans, Raptors and Rockets, and Blue Jays and Astros, I guess it would just be meant to be for me to have another with the Houston Flames.

  177. sliderule says:

    OP has disappeared so here is latest ohl news

    Maksimov with goal and two assists as ice dogs win 5-3 over Hamilton

    He now has 33 goals and 72 points

    You have to like this draft

  178. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Bank Shot: Am I the only one rooting against NJ?

    I like Hall, but I see too many Oilers fans praising everything NJ to a fault.

    They are a crap team that is riding the percentages thia seaaon.

    Their 45% GF with Hall off the ice is the best of his career.

    3 years Hall was here “Hall off” GF% was UNDER 40%

    45% is considered “replacement’

    Man.

  179. Lowetide says:

    Bob Stauffer

    Verified account

    @Bob_Stauffer
    10m10 minutes ago
    More
    Oilers vs Minnesota

    RNH-McDavid-Aberg
    Lucic-Draisaitl-Cammalleri
    Puljujarvi-Strome-Slepyshev
    Caggiula-Khaira-Kassian

    Nurse-Larsson
    Russell-Bear
    Sekera-Benning

    Talbot

  180. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Wilde:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    Here’s the thing: It costs more to fill RHD than it does the wing, for equal or lesser returns.

    The assets this team has for trade are a scarce supply. I don’t think you can “fix” both, and fixing the D gets much easier next summer after Sekera bounces back, Russell’s modifications change, etc.

    The trouble is that keeping everyone AND adding a significant piece to the D corps will run us up to 30M there. That’s Detroit territory. (keep Kenny Holland out of my town)

    The transition play of the defence has indeed been the biggest killer of this team at evens this year, but I think that’s more due to McLellan’s system forcing our guys to have to outplay the forecheck quite handily in order to retain meaningful possession. I’d like to see a bargain option at 2RD, TvR or Franson, over coughing up whatever Colin Miller/Tyson Barrie/Justin Faulk will cost.

    It’s very difficult to evaluate the defense under this coaching staff. Gallant has 1100 minutes of Engelland nearing 50%.

    Basically, it comes down to a risk somewhere. I’d risk the Dcorps being carryable at 5v5, with what should be a top 10 powerplay and a 180+ 5v5 goal team if you shore up LW and acquire better coaching staff.

    EDM C depth is good enough to trade RNH for a 2RD and win the trade or at least break even.

  181. Lowetide says:

    Bob Stauffer

    Verified account

    @Bob_Stauffer
    10m10 minutes ago
    More
    Oilers vs Minnesota

    RNH-McDavid-Aberg
    Lucic-Draisaitl-Cammalleri
    Puljujarvi-Strome-Slepyshev
    Caggiula-Khaira-Kassian

    Nurse-Larsson
    Russell-Bear
    Sekera-Benning

    Talbot.

  182. Lowetide says:

    That’s an incredible lineup shuffle.

  183. Munny says:

    Let’s Go, Oilers!

    *clap clap*

  184. Munny says:

    Lowetide:
    Bob Stauffer

    Verified account

    @Bob_Stauffer10m10 minutes ago
    More
    Oilers vs Minnesota

    RNH-McDavid-Aberg
    Lucic-Draisaitl-Cammalleri
    Puljujarvi-Strome-Slepyshev
    Caggiula-Khaira-Kassian

    Nurse-Larsson
    Russell-Bear
    Sekera-Benning

    Talbot.

    I’m guessing they drew cards?

  185. Munny says:

    And fuck Eric Staal, btw. I’m still holding a grudge from 2006.

  186. Pescador says:

    Lowetide:
    Bob Stauffer

    Verified account

    @Bob_Stauffer10m10 minutes ago
    More
    Oilers vs Minnesota

    RNH-McDavid-Aberg
    Lucic-Draisaitl-Cammalleri
    Puljujarvi-Strome-Slepyshev
    Caggiula-Khaira-Kassian

    Nurse-Larsson
    Russell-Bear
    Sekera-Benning

    Talbot.

    That D
    Zoiks!

  187. Pescador says:

    Munny,

    Fuck Brind aMore while were at it

  188. Munny says:

    Splitting Bear and Sekera is a good idea IMO. Hopefully Rusty remembers which side of the ice he’s playing on tonight.

  189. Munny says:

    Pescador:
    Munny,

    Fuck Brind aMore while were at it

    Yeah. Fuck that guy.

  190. Munny says:

    Might get a tad rough tonight

  191. Munny says:

    Great reporting on KBomb there, Randwarf.

  192. Wilde says:

    Woodguy v2.0: EDM C depth is good enough to trade RNH for a 2RD and win the trade or at least break even.

    But then we have two forwards unless both 98 and 56 arrive right on time

  193. Munny says:

    Good job, Caggiula.

    /s

  194. Wilde says:

    Lowetide,

    An incredibly good one, at forward.

    Except the euro winger opposite day thing.

  195. BONE207 says:

    Hi gang…saw Niagara Falls today. Beautiful but I thought it would be bigger.

    Go Oilers, wait…Go Connor

  196. BONE207 says:

    Filthy Bruce & filthier Doobie.
    Yikes what a record against us

  197. Munny says:

    Do you think Dubie sends MacT a text, a little “Hi, how she goin’?” after every one of those 5 straight wins?

  198. BONE207 says:

    Munny:
    Do you think Dubie sends MacT a text, a little “Hi, how she goin’?” after every one of those 5 straight wins?

    More like MacT sending him one saying : It wasn’t you, it was us.

  199. StixMalone says:

    Wow a shot on net….

  200. Munny says:

    Sleppy is The Russian Hustler.

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