G69 2017-18: Oilers at Flames

I get emails and dm’s 10 at a time these days, mostly about changes in management or coaching. “You’re always on McLellan’s side, why can’t you see he’s the one who is going to be fired?” and “your buddy Chiarelli ruined the Bruins and now he’s ruined the Oilers. Thanks!” are just two of many lovely notes passed along recently. I think there’s a chance both men end up out of work, or in the case of Peter Chiarelli bumped into a new role like “Vice President of Procurement, Chancellor of the Exchequer.Either way, first 15 days of April, don’t venture far from the Al Gore.

THE ATHLETIC!

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  • New Lowetide: Jujhar Khaira, Ethan Bear and why prospects fail.
  • Lowetide: How the Oilers can win summer without breaking the bank.
  • Lowetide: Hard Target Search for power-play quarterback
  • Lowetide: Bob Nicholson speaks, Oilers’ fans burn.
  • Lowetide: Draft 2018: The Oilers and Sweden.
  • Lowetide: Draft 2018: The Oilers and the QMJHL.
  • Lowetide: Draft 2018Oilers and the WHL.
  • Lowetide: Draft 2018: Oilers draft history and the OHL
  • Lowetide: Draft 2018: The Oilers and the NCAA.

THE LAST SPIKE, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • March 2016: 3-2-0, goal differential 0 (6 points)
  • March 2017: 3-1-1, goal differential +7 (7 points)
  • March 2018: 3-2-0, goal differential +1 (6 points)
  • March 10, 2016: Edmonton 2, Minnesota 1 (Source)
  • March 16, 2017: Edmonton 7, Boston 4 (Source)

Todd McLellan’s Oilers enjoy March, they are a combined 11-5-1 entering tonight’s contest over three seasons. The team has had an ongoing victory train over the Calgary Flames (7-0) and we’ll see about that tonight, too.

AFTER 68, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers 15-16: 26-35-7, goal differential -42 (59 points)
  • Oilers 16-17: 35-24-9, goal differential +18 (79 points)
  • Oilers 17-18: 30-34-4, goal differential -31 (64 points)
  • March 8, 2016: San Jose 3, Edmonton 0 (Source)
  • March 14, 2017: Edmonton 7, Dallas 1 (Source)

This little March run has Edmonton getting some separation from the 2015-16 crew. Not even a long losing streak gets anyone fired before the end of the season now, Oilers still have a chance at 80 points on the season.

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM MARCH

  • At home to: Nashville, NY Rangers, Arizona, NY Islanders, Minnesota (Expected 2-3-0) (Actual 3-2-0)
  • On the road to: Calgary (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: San Jose (Expected 0-0-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Florida, Tampa Bay, Carolina, Ottawa (Expected 1-2-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Los Angeles, Anaheim, Columbus (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Vancouver, Calgary (Expected 1-0-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 6-7-3, 15 points in 16 games
  • Current results: 3-2-0, 6 points in five games

HERE COMES SUMMER!

Lots of churn out there in regard to the Oilers shortcomings, par for the course when a team is so far from expectation (they are about 20 points behind where they should be). As mentioned above, the season has been so severe that both coach and general manager are vulnerable.

A typical Oilers solution would be firing an assistant coach, at least one guy in Bakersfield and someone in the front office who is well down the list. Possibly followed by the signing of Darnell Nurse and we’re off and running.

The presence of Paul Coffey, hired during the season, and Wayne Gretzky, who has taken on a more public role (if not specifically in hockey ops) suggest there could be a shadow cabinet walking the same halls as Todd McLellan and Peter Chiarelli.

It’s important to make a distinction between the need for change and what the change could be for these Oilers. Two points:

  1. The Oilers have to do something, bleeding more young talent via June trades is not an option.
  2. The tea leaves are delivering an unsettling cast of characters in possible feature roles.

There’s a tendency to regard what is in front of us as the low point, the nadir. The seasoned Oilers fan will allow for the possibility we ain’t seen nothing yet.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A busy show on the way, TSN1260 at 10 this morning. Scheduled to appear:

  • Jonathan Willis, The Athletic. Parsing word and deed, we’ll project the Oilers shuffle that is less than one month away.
  • Kent Wilson, The Athletic. Tough times for the Flames but a win tonight will improve the forecast.
  • Scott Cullen, TSN. Is Alex Ovechkin the best scorer of all time?

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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  1. flyfish1168 says:

    To ease the pain of our poor season, it would start with putting a dagger into the phlegms season.

  2. ArmchairGM says:

    “This little March run has Edmonton getting some separation from the 2015-16 crew.”

    No it hasn’t. Both teams sport an identical March record. The five point difference was in place February 28th.

  3. Lowetide says:

    ArmchairGM:
    “This little March run has Edmonton getting some separation from the 2015-16 crew.”

    No it hasn’t. Both teams sport an identical March record. The five point difference was in place February 28th.

    The three recent wins have in fact re-established the gap. Parsing!

  4. ArmchairGM says:

    Lowetide: The three recent wins have in fact re-established the gap. Parsing!

    🙂

    I realized after I posted that I came off as far more anal retentive than I meant to. My apologies!

  5. admiralmark says:

    2 Thoughts as this morning progresses and after reading this article.

    1) What if Chiarelli and Tmac both keep their positions?

    2) Try writing an article on that scenario if you wanna see some passion.

    3) I wonder if this itteration of horrid management is starting to bleed fans. Especially the out of market fans. We must be reaching a breaking pointr for many? Is it enough for Katz to give a rats ass?

  6. elgruntus says:

    “The presence of Paul Coffey, hired during the season, and Wayne Gretzky, who has taken on a more public role (if not specifically in hockey ops) suggest there could be a shadow cabinet walking the same halls as Todd McLellan and Peter Chiarelli.”

    Messier was hired during last season (or was it the year before? Hard to keep track these days) to some mystery position, which seems to have faded into the ether. Perhaps Coffey does the same. Could be Katz likes to indulge a new Boy From The Bus each year? Make it Randy Gregg next year and watch those shoulder issues disappear!!

  7. Louis Levasseur says:

    Colour me petty, but I hope we do crush the Flames tonight. I don’t want the Flames to make the playoffs. I never understood the rationale for pulling for the Flames in any way whatsoever if we say it is truly a rivalry.

    A rivalry isn’t about logic it’s about emotion. I can’t stand the Flames. I would expect a real Flames fan to feel the same way about the Oilers.

  8. digger50 says:

    Today it feels like such a disappointment. High expectations dashed this year.

    This past summer I was on the “its not enough” train. That doesn’t mean I wanted major assets swapped out, I just wanted more upgrades in unproven positions. Opportunities were plentiful with teams shedding good players before the expansion draft and Vegas after the expansion draft. This summer will not have as many opportunities.

    With Peter, I don’t know if he knows how to dig in the corners to produce a trade. He can send out an e mail. Or if he has something of value he waits for an offer – then takes it. At least 7 teams were interested in Maroon, then none? Doubt it. More likely the initial ask was too high so they moved on. Sometimes you need to feel the market and adapt. I also doubt Peter has the skill to move a difficult contract – or be creative with a package to pursue a need.

    To move Klefbom and Nuge this summer? This is not the answer.

    Its good to hear Katz has been angry. Excellent that his disappointment is heard and felt as it needs to be. Its also good to hear Burger Bob respond that he wants to be careful, calculated, we also need that.

    We need to be sure we can answer the questions “what must we do to get better?” and “what actions can make us much worse?”

    The second question is the most worrisome, and that is why many fans want a measured approach and not the big trades. Many will even come around on coach and GM just because “the devil you know….” type thinking. We will give them to November approach.

    They have a lot of big hockey brains in there, at least from a player perspective. These guys have collectively worked with a hundred different coaches and a thousand different players. Surely they can sit down and come up with an accurate assessment of each player, the pipeline, coaches, speciality teams and onward. In theory, we should be able to have trust.

    No idea what will happen.

  9. Durag says:

    Connor McDavid has scored 18 goals in 21 games since Paul Coffey was hired on as a skills coach.

    Coincidence??? Probably!

  10. frjohnk says:

    admiralmark: 3) I wonder if this itteration of horrid management is starting to bleed fans.

    Not many fans are happy with the team and point to Chia as the main problem. Relatives of mine have season tickets and everybody in and around their seating area are not happy at all with Chia. The Hall trade and Lucic signing are the most brought up in that section

    I do wonder if having Chia as GM is hurting the brand and that would be added to the reasons they would fire him.

  11. Andy Dufresne says:

    “A typical Oilers solution would be firing an assistant coach, at least one guy in Bakersfield and someone in the front office who is well down the list. Possibly followed by the signing of Darnell Nurse and we’re off and running.”

    This sounds good to me! Sign me up!

    ~ LT……what have you got against signing Darnell Nurse? ~

  12. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Louis Levasseur,

    Wholeheartedly agree.

    ABC, baby!

  13. digger50 says:

    Evaluation completed, Oiler future determined:

    Rattie
    Malone
    Drake
    Strome
    Khaira
    Sleppy
    Montoya
    Gryba
    Auvitu
    Yammer (I think they seen enough to have him in the line up for next season)
    Todd MaClellan
    Assistant coaches
    Ian Hebers

    Evaluation underway:

    Bear
    Klefbom (shoulder)
    Nuge (winger versatility)
    Brossoit
    Maroon (think they still follow him as back up plan)
    Jessie P
    Aberg
    Peter Chiarelli

    Known : (comfortable they know exactly what the player is)

    Connor
    Drai
    Pak
    Kassian
    Cammy (not a roster lock, but a known quantity)
    Larson
    Russell
    Nurse
    Benning
    Sekera
    Milan

  14. Ribs says:

    I really hope Smith plays tonight. He does not look ready to come back from injury. Light’em Up, Light’em Up.

  15. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Selfish question for LT:

    Any chance you could include a line in the GDB with the start time in MST and possibly the network that’s broadcasting the game? It would be nice info to have, as this is the only place I go to read up about the game prior to watching.

    Just a thought.

  16. Andy Dufresne says:

    LT,

    Respectfully,

    For the record, I am a seasoned fan and I dont buy any of it.

    Perhaps I have a higher opinion of Katz than you do. Or Im just naive.

    But I dont think Chia and TMac are hanging on for dear life and that the assassins are lined up in the hall waiting to take over.

    BUT, you do have a knack for sussing things out……you have been right several times on important matters where I disagreeded with you. SO…………man I hope youre wrong!

  17. Louis Levasseur says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey,

    That’s not to say I like trolling Flames fans. I don’t. I enjoy hearing from real Flames fans about their team and even their legitimate thoughts on the Oil. I actually like some of their players. How can you not be a fan of guys like Lanny and Iginla? But when they put that Flames jersey on I’m pulling against them every time!

  18. OmJo says:

    flyfish1168:
    To ease the pain of our poor season, it would start with putting a dagger into the phlegms season.

    I think I’d rather see them make the playoffs and swept in 4 games by a combined score of 16-0 or something.

    Because screw Garth Snow and screw the Flames.

  19. Ribs says:

    Andy Dufresne: LT……what have you got against signing Darnell Nurse?………

    He’s not wrong, though. They make a big deal out of signings that should happen no matter what and then call it a day. They need to get that stuff sorted quickly and move on to more pressing things.

  20. frjohnk says:

    OmJo: Because screw Garth Snow and screw the Flames.

    Because of Garth Snow, both Alberta GM’s could get fired.

    Also

    Because of Garth Snow, Garth Snow could get fired.

  21. OmJo says:

    Louis Levasseur:
    Colour me petty, but I hope we do crush the Flames tonight.I don’t want the Flames to make the playoffs.I never understood the rationale for pulling for the Flames in any way whatsoever if we say it is truly a rivalry.

    A rivalry isn’t about logic it’s about emotion.I can’t stand the Flames.I would expect a real Flames fan to feel the same way about the Oilers.

    Listened to the Gregor show yesterday?

  22. OmJo says:

    frjohnk: Because of Garth Snow, both Alberta GM’s could get fired.

    Also

    Because of Garth Snow, Garth Snow could get fired.

    It’s like Flames try to outdo us in everything, even in getting taken to task by Garth freaking Snow.

  23. Dustylegnd says:

    admiralmark:
    2 Thoughts as this morning progresses and after reading this article.

    1) What if Chiarelli and Tmac both keep their positions?

    2) Try writing an article on that scenario if you wanna see some passion.

    3) I wonder if this itteration of horrid management is starting to bleed fans. Especially the out of market fans. We must be reaching a breaking pointr for many? Is it enough for Katz to give a rats ass?

    You are kidding yourself if you believe Katz does not give a rats ass……missing the playoffs comes with a massive financial opportunity cost

    Katz is a brilliant business man who is a fatally flawed sports franchise owner (this particular flaw is far from unique)

    I look at Winnipeg and wonder if maybe, just maybe, Nickel Bob chooses to leave the GM and the coach in place….what changed in Winnipeg this year vs last? the keeper is stopping the puck

    Did Tod Mclellan really forget how to coach over the summer??? he had this team clicking on all cylinders last year…or did the fawking keeper forget how to stop the puck over the summer???

    It terrifies me to think about how Katz may reinsert himself in hockey decisions and choose the new GM that may replace Chiarelli…….the devil you know people…this could get worse

    How Katz or Nickel Bob think it is wise to double back and revisit the Boys on the bus project is terrifying, the combo of Lowe, McTavish, Howson etc etc etc….put this nightmare in motion

    Although Nicholson seems to be made of teflon he now slowly is coming under scrutiny for his quick and questionable hiring decisions in the spring of 2015……allowing McTavish to stay on under Chia was a mistake by both Chia and Nicholson…they both needed to assert their power and influence upon being hired…

    The roster is poorly built….AGAIN……can coaching really make a difference especially when the Keeper has a shit save% ….sure we can blame the PP and PK on coaching…but frick me….the players are responsible….and we don’t have enough talented players

    Order of Blame

    Katz
    Chia
    Nicholson
    TMc

  24. Admiral Ackbar says:

    My angel scenario:

    1. The Flames miss the playoffs by a mere point or two (there are 6 teams separated by 3 points vying for 3 playoff positions. They all have game(s) in hand on Calgary).

    2. The 1st rounder the Flames traded away wins the draft lottery (so long as the Oilers don’t win it).

  25. Andy Dufresne says:

    frjohnk: Because of Garth Snow, both Alberta GM’s could get fired.

    Also

    Because of Garth Snow, Garth Snow could get fired.

    LOL….beautiful……love the symmetry….theres a haiku in there somewhere.

  26. OmJo says:

    Durag:
    Connor McDavid has scored 18 goals in 21 games since Paul Coffey was hired on as a skills coach.

    Coincidence??? Probably!

    Connor McDavid is the best offensive defenceman in the league.

  27. OmJo says:

    frjohnk: I do wonder if having Chia as GM is hurting the brand and that would be added to the reasons they would fire him.

    If the #FireLowe campaign didn’t work I don’t think the same kind of think will work for Chiarelli. Though he isn’t an OBC, but he isn’t hurting the brand quite like Kevin Lowe.

    Relatives of mine have season tickets and everybody in and around their seating area are not happy at all with Chia.

    If Katz read this sentence he would have stopped reading at “have season tickets”

  28. Dustylegnd says:

    OmJo,

    Dont kid yourself, at least Hamonick is a top 4 NHL D man who is having an off year with a D partner having an off year…….

    Chia was VIOLATED in a most unflattering way on the Reinhart deal…..and the sad part is the Islanders media knew Reinhart was garbage….Snow knew Reinhart was garbage….the smart money on this blog knew Reinhart was garbage …..but Bob Green saw the second coming of Larry Robinson ……

    A 1st and 2 seconds for a real top 4 NHL defensman pales in comparison

  29. OmJo says:

    Dustylegnd,

    Nah don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying Harmonic trade < Reinhart Trade. Not sure how Calgary could top that trade. Gadreau for future considerations?

    That trade is the worst there is, the worst there was, and the worst there ever will be, to [mis]quote a famous Calgarian.

  30. Andy Dufresne says:

    This bears repeating (from the post above)

    “You are kidding yourself if you believe Katz does not give a rats ass……missing the playoffs comes with a massive financial opportunity cost

    Katz is a brilliant business man……….I look at Winnipeg and wonder if maybe, just maybe, Nickel Bob chooses to leave the GM and the coach in place….what changed in Winnipeg this year vs last? the keeper is stopping the puck

    Did Tod Mclellan really forget how to coach over the summer??? he had this team clicking on all cylinders last year…or did the fawking keeper forget how to stop the puck over the summer???”

  31. Dustylegnd says:

    OmJo,

    Mike drop….love it

  32. Andy Dufresne says:

    Dustylegnd:
    OmJo,

    Dont kid yourself, at least Hamonick is a top 4 NHL D man who is having an off year with a D partner having an off year…….

    Chia was VIOLATED in a most unflattering way on the Reinhart hart deal…..and the sad part is the Islanders media knew Reinhart was garbage….snow knew reinsert was garbage….the smart money on this blog knew Reinhart was garbage …..but Bob Green saw the second coming of LarryRobinson ……

    A 1st and 2 seconds for a real top 4 NHL defensman pales in comparison

    BUT….Chia got his revenge on Snow for the Reinhart debacle by trading Snow a “poison pill” that sewered NYI playoff chances……and he stole a quality 3C who plays PP and PK….and pocketed $3.5 to boot……….pure genius…..

  33. StixMalone says:

    frjohnk: Because of Garth Snow, both Alberta GM’s could get fired.

    Also

    Because of Garth Snow, Garth Snow could get fired.

    Because of Peter Chiarelli, Garth Snow will keep his job…..

  34. season not played says:

    Andy Dufresne: BUT….Chia got his revenge on Snow for the Reinhart debacle by trading Snow a “poison pill” that sewered NYI playoff chances……and he stole a quality 3C who plays PP and PK….and pocketed $3.5 to boot……….pure genius…..

    Fact

  35. Louis Levasseur says:

    OmJo,

    No I missed it.

  36. Dustylegnd says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    Evil Genius indeed

  37. frjohnk says:

    Andy Dufresne: BUT….Chia got his revenge on Snow for the Reinhart debacle by trading Snow a “poison pill” that sewered NYI playoff chances……and he stole a quality 3C who plays PP and PK….and pocketed $3.5 to boot……….pure genius…..

    the “Chiarelli Line” is a “poison pill”?

  38. frjohnk says:

    Willis knocking it out of the park right now

  39. anjinsan says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    Eberle is +5. In comparison Tavares is -5.

    Is there some basis beyond mere assertion you’re using the terms ‘poison pill’ and ‘pure genius’?

    Is Schultz in reality the player vast numbers of Edmonton fans derided and ran out of town and is he now somehow perpetrating fraudulence in Pittsburgh?

  40. Nix says:

    admiralmark:
    2 Thoughts as this morning progresses and after reading this article.

    1) What if Chiarelli and Tmac both keep their positions?

    2) Try writing an article on that scenario if you wanna see some passion.

    3) I wonder if this itteration of horrid management is starting to bleed fans. Especially the out of market fans. We must be reaching a breaking pointr for many? Is it enough for Katz to give a rats ass?

    #MOGA

  41. CrazyCoach says:

    Louis Levasseur: A rivalry isn’t about logic it’s about emotion. I can’t stand the Flames. I would expect a real Flames fan to feel the same way about the Oilers.

    I feel the same way.

    I will never cheer for the Flames.

    Never have, never will.

    Even in the 2004 finals, it was TBay all the way for me.

  42. anjinsan says:

    Going forward towards constituting a team that can win now in Edmonton I don’t see anything that can be done except sell the future for the present — trade years of future high picks for players now.

  43. frjohnk says:

    anjinsan: Is there some basis beyond mere assertion you’re using the terms ‘poison pill’ and ‘pure genius’?

    He is obviously just fooling around

    We all know that Eberle is a big part of one of the best 2nd lines in the league.

  44. frjohnk says:

    CrazyCoach: Even in the 2004 finals, it was TBay all the way for me.

    I cheered for Tampa as well.

    But was secreting cheering for Jarome.

  45. OmJo says:

    Louis Levasseur:
    OmJo,

    No I missed it.

    There was somebody who called in who was talking about how as an Oiler fan he’d be okay with the Flames or Leafs winning the cup just so it returns to Canada. Thought that post was in reference to it.

  46. Dustylegnd says:

    anjinsan,

    Correct, Eberle is only successful this year because of Barzal’s puck possession, incredible skating and general hockey Genius, what does he have to do with the Oilers…..also dragging along that slug on the left wing as well….not sure what that dude has to do with the Oilers either

    Seriously though,here is the scary part, Chia set Snow up with one of the best 2nd lines in hockey and the Islanders are still going to miss the playoffs….why?…..did Dougy forget how to coach also?….nope the FAWKING KEEPERs can’t stop pucks…….anyone see a pattern here???

  47. OmJo says:

    frjohnk: the “Chiarelli Line” is a “poison pill”?

    But can they play defence? Muahahahaha!

  48. CrazyCoach says:

    Louis Levasseur: I actually like some of their players. How can you not be a fan of guys like Lanny and Iginla? But when they put that Flames jersey on I’m pulling against them every time!

    Same here. Like Johnny Hockey, but he plays for the wrong team. He’s a great skilled player, but plays for the wrong team.

  49. frjohnk says:

    OmJo: But can they play defence? Muahahahaha!

    64% GF% in 257 minutes.

    Yup, damn good.

  50. admiralmark says:

    Dustylegnd: You are kidding yourself if you believe Katz does not give a rats ass……missing the playoffs comes with a massive financial opportunity cost

    Did Katz give a Rats ass during all these years with Lowe, MacT, Tambellini, and Howson were absolutely trashing the franchise with all their decision making? Why would I think this shit show is any different?

    His love of the OBC > love of creating a winning team. And it’s not even close. It’s been illustrated and proven time and time again. Hell we’re sitting here debating on wether Chiarelli’s gonna keep his job or not. Any privately owned business would look at what Chiarelli has done to this team and punt him out the door. Not Katz. This team is infected at the top. That’s something that has not changed one iota. Even after McDavid the same buffoons remain. So yah I don’t think Katz gives a rats ass. I’m waiting for him to show he does.

  51. Doug McLachlan says:

    Hard to know how to cheer down the stretch.

    Oilers beat Calgary, great! But each win edges us further away from the top of the lottery. Strrongly suspect that we end up ahead of Chicago and Rangers at this point.

    If the decision on Chia and TMac has NOT yet been made, what point total saves their jobs?

  52. Andy Dufresne says:

    StixMalone: Because of Peter Chiarelli, Garth Snow will keep his job…..

    Garth Snow is the “Old Boys Club” in NY. The owner has stuck with him like hes a friend or some such thing.

  53. CrazyCoach says:

    OmJo: There was somebody who called in who was talking about how as an Oiler fan he’d be okay with the Flames or Leafs winning the cup just so it returns to Canada.

    I’m not that desperate to see the cup return to Canada.

    Here’s a little harsh reality though, and folks may not want to hear this, but the NHL has always been controlled by American interests even before it became the NHL. The last truly great Canadian league was the Pacific Coast League. That league was was progressive, the NHL had to adopt their rules.

  54. Andy Dufresne says:

    frjohnk: the “Chiarelli Line” is a “poison pill”?

    Yes….his genius goes beyond most peoples comprehension…..”poison pill” creates conditions that cause Taveras to leave the Islanders. The “Chiarelli Line” lives in the dark shadows of the playoff netherworld, vanquished to the depths of the standings, to live a decade of “ELPH”.

    Moo Ha…MOO HA!…MOOOOO HAHAHAHA!!!

    Edit: some people say this is giving Chia to much credit….that this is not somehting from his creative genius…..that the inspiration came from a recent real world experience.

  55. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    OmJo,

    This, x100. Also, have their building not sell out during the playoffs two years in a row would be icing on the cake.

  56. Andy Dufresne says:

    Doug McLachlan:
    Hard to know how to cheer down the stretch.

    Oilers beat Calgary, great! But each win edges us further away from the top of the lottery.Strrongly suspect that we end up ahead of Chicago and Rangers at this point.

    If the decision on Chia and TMac has NOT yet been made, what point total saves their jobs?

    Cheer for the Oilers. Enjoy the wins. AND cheer for every team ahead of us in the “out of the playoff” standings.

  57. OmJo says:

    frjohnk: 64% GF% in 257 minutes.

    Yup, damn good.

    I partially remember during the Oilers Isles game somebody was talking about how that line scores a lot but isn’t great defensively. They do outscore their defence mistakes however.

    It was tongue in cheek since this team tends to judge offensively gifted players by how well they defend.

  58. OmJo says:

    CrazyCoach,

    Honestly, the only two teams I could tolerate winning the cup besides the Oilers are the Senators and Jets. Otherwise, screw the rest. Especially the Leafs. Moreso even than the Flames, because we would never hear the end of it.

  59. Dustylegnd says:

    admiralmark:

    Back to my original comment,” Katz is a brilliant business man who is a fatally flawed sports franchise owner” (this particular flaw is far from unique)

    Katz is like many who have almost everything you could ever dream of, you want what you never had, ungodly athletic talent, he is a fatally flawed fan boy,

    because Katz did care so much, and was utterly convinced Lowe et el were the correct choices to re-build the former glory….he remains in a state of disbelief that the team is where it is

    How twisted would a local Edmonton Billionaire have to be to purposely sabotage his own team while investing billions of his own money in a massive down town real estate development anchored by the Local Hockey Teams 600 million dollar stadium???

    Katz cares deeply….he is just really bad at running a hockey team

  60. OmJo says:

    Every win gets us less of a chance to the lottery and more of a chance that both Chiarelli and McLellan return next season.

    But cheering for this team to lose feels so wrong.

    The struggle is real.

  61. bendelson says:

    I place myself firmly in the category of ‘we ain’t seen nothing yet’.

    Yes, there clearly is a shadow cabinet lurking about the mysterious 6th floor of Roger’s Place and yes, the cast of characters is very unsettling.

    I believe we are quickly approaching ‘last chance Texaco’ with the OBC and Katz is all-in.

    Connor is their ticket to ride.

    Hold on tight, this is going to get very interesting…

  62. frjohnk says:

    OmJo: Every win gets us less of a chance to the lottery and more of a chance that both Chiarelli and McLellan return next season.

    But cheering for this team to lose feels so wrong.

    The struggle is real.

    Tonight is easy if an Oiler fan ALWAYS cheers for a Flames loss.

  63. OmJo says:

    Dustylegnd,

    He invested just over $100M in the arena, IIRC.

    The team makes money irregardless how they do. It’s more like exploitation.

  64. Andy Dufresne says:

    OmJo:
    CrazyCoach,

    Honestly, the only two teams I could tolerate winning the cup besides the Oilers are the Senators and Jets. Otherwise, screw the rest. Especially the Leafs. Moreso even than the Flames, because we would never hear the end of it.

    Once the Oilers are eliminated, I cheer for teams that have no cups….Teams that are no threat to edge closer or past the Oilers 5 cup threshold. Winnipeg, is numero uno for me this year.

  65. Andy Dufresne says:

    Dustylegnd: Back to my original comment,” Katz is a brilliant business man who is a fatally flawed sports franchise owner” (this particular flaw is far from unique)

    Katz is like many who have almost everything you could ever dream of, you want what you never had, ungodly athletic talent, he is a fatally flawed fan boy,

    because Katz did care so much, and was utterly convinced Lowe et el were the correct choices to re-build the former glory….he remains in a state of disbelief that the team is where it is

    How twisted would a local Edmonton Billionaire have to be to purposely sabotage his own team while investing billions of his own money in a massive down townreal estate development anchored by the Local Hockey Teams 600 million dollar stadium???

    Katz cares deeply….he is just really bad at running a hockey team

    Or is he??…..Moo Ha….MOO HA!……..MOOOOOO HAAAAAAA!!!

  66. CrazyCoach says:

    OmJo: Honestly, the only two teams I could tolerate winning the cup besides the Oilers are the Senators and Jets. Otherwise, screw the rest. Especially the Leafs. Moreso even than the Flames, because we would never hear the end of it.

    Same here. I could tolerate Ottawa or Winnipeg, because they are considered smaller markets and the legacy of the Jets as well. If you can find it online, watch, “Death By Popcorn”, which chronicles the first Jets stay in Winnipeg. Very good documentary.

  67. Andy Dufresne says:

    OmJo:
    Dustylegnd,

    He invested just over $100M in the arena, IIRC.

    The team makes money irregardless how they do. It’s more like exploitation.

    Please refrain form ruining the narrative with facts. Thank you.

  68. Material pocession says:

    anjinsan:
    Going forward towards constituting a team that can win now in Edmonton I don’t see anything that can be done except sell the future for the present — trade years of future high picks for players now.

    Then lose one of those players in the expansion draft? No thanks. Besides, the Oilers don’t have the cap space for ‘players now’ — they need those cheap ELC players.

    DON’T TRADE THE DRAFT PICKS!!!

  69. CrazyCoach says:

    Dustylegnd: How twisted would a local Edmonton Billionaire have to be to purposely sabotage his own team while investing billions of his own money in a massive down town real estate development anchored by the Local Hockey Teams 600 million dollar stadium???

    Katz cares deeply….he is just really bad at running a hockey team

    While Katz if far from John McCaw, who owned the Nucks from 97-04 (Then become part owner with Aquilini till 06), we can all thank the good lord above that he is far cry from Charles O. Finley, former owner of the California Golden Seals.

    Anyone remember those pure white skates?

    That was a Finley brainstorm.

    Finley did get the last laugh though when Sergei Federov wore the white Nike skates.

  70. Munny says:

    frjohnk: 64% GF% in 257 minutes.

    Yup, damn good.

    That’s strange. Could have swore Sportsnet threw a graphic up during the recent match against us that they were the most scored-on line in hockey. 257 minutes also seems really low for a line this far into the season… that represents 17 games at 15 minutes a game.

  71. Andy Dufresne says:

    BREAKING NEWS!!

    AN anonymous millioniare donor has started an Oilers Fan Support Group

    At the Derek Zoolander Center For Abused Fans Who Can’t Cheer Anymore And Wanna Learn To Do Other Stuff Good Too.

    We teach you that there’s more to life than being really, really ridiculously pessimistic. Words can only hurt you if you try to read them. Don’t play their game! Maybe there’s more to life than being really, really, really sad.

  72. frjohnk says:

    Munny: That’s strange. Could have swore Sportsnet threw a graphic up during the recent match against us that they were the most scored-on line in hockey.257 minutes also seems really low for a line this far into the season… that represents 17 games at 15 minutes a game.

    Must have been some other line. No where do Eberle, Barzal and company get scored upon at a crazy rate.

    Eberle, Barzal, Beaulivier 257 minutes
    GF% 64%
    GF/60 4.6
    GA/60 2.5

    Eberle, Barzal 680 minutes
    GF% 59%
    GF/60 3.6
    GA/60 2.4

    Maybe it was Tavares with Nick Leddy 398 minutes GA/60 of 3.01?

  73. Melvis says:

    I have faint hope this gets very interesting, Oth, I have relatives in Edmonton who have spent a hell of a lot of money on seats for prior and current debacles. And a couple of them are at the brink of some sort of 3 billboards prod.

    You know, because it’s cheaper and might be more “efficacious” in big pharma speak.

  74. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Monahan and Tkachuk missed morning skate, so I’m just hoping they are absent tonight to make up for Klefbom’s absence. I want the oil to beat the flames 10-0 every night until I die.

    Edit: Looks like Monny in, Tkachuk out

  75. pts2pndr says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    This bears repeating (from the post above)

    “You are kidding yourself if you believe Katz does not give a rats ass……missing the playoffs comes with a massive financial opportunity cost

    Katz is a brilliant business man……….I look at Winnipeg and wonder if maybe, just maybe, Nickel Bob chooses to leave the GM and the coach in place….what changed in Winnipeg this year vs last? the keeper is stopping the puck

    Did Tod Mclellan really forget how to coach over the summer??? he had this team clicking on all cylinders last year…or did the fawking keeper forget how to stop the puck over the summer???”

    It was this thinking that got Devan run out of town! Low and behold a few years later he is Vezina trophy material. The penalty kill was beyond bad until a certain player was taken out of the equation. There is no way a goalie can stop the puck when the puck is routinely passed through the box leaving half the net open! The coaching is not ok.

  76. godot10 says:

    Durag:
    Connor McDavid has scored 18 goals in 21 games since Paul Coffey was hired on as a skills coach.

    Coincidence??? Probably!

    Maybe Katz’s people talked discreetly to McDavid’s people about the nature of the changes that will happen in April.

  77. Melvis says:

    Katz might be brilliant, but don’t forget he was also born with a silver dosage spoon in his mouth. He also married a woman some 10 years his senior and some prettay serios schekels to boot. All the princes and princesses riding the coat tails can’t prevent the fact of the hoi polloi in Saskatoon driving right by that London Drugs in Saskatoon, only to stop at a much lousier Shoppers Drug Mart just a couple blocks further up on 8th st.

    Because logistics, visibility, and ease of entrance and departure from both sides of the street. I suspect the difference in sg. foot sales is significantly better in the latter. There’s your so called brilliance in terms of delegation, not.

  78. godot10 says:

    The first problem that has to be fixed with the Oilers is the coaching.

    It is this coaching staff that could not fix Justin Schultz, that didn’t see value in Taylor Hall, and that couldn’t adjust their systems enough for Jordan Eberle to be an effective player for them. It was this coaching staff that placed more value on Kassian than on Pitlick.

    They also failed to realize the potential of Lander as a bottom six player.

    This coaching staff also must have advocated for the new Russell four year contract which has hamstrung the possibility of addressing roster issues.

    It is this coaching staff that has had a putrid PK for 1.5 seasons. And who could not make adjustments to the power play once the opposition figured out its tendencies.

    Their handling of Puljujarvi, who is a critical asset of this team, has be abominable.

    The training camp they ran last September was dementor-like in its lack of focus on preparing for the season.

    This coaching staff is not good at maximizing what they have, so even if the GM has made mistakes, even a good GM would probably find it difficult in a hard cap world to find enough players for this coaching staff is actually contend.

  79. Side says:

    godot10:
    The first problem that has to be fixed with the Oilers is the coaching.

    It is this coaching staff that could not fix Justin Schultz, that didn’t see value in Taylor Hall, and that couldn’t adjust their systems enough for Jordan Eberle to be an effective player for them.It was this coaching staff that placed more value on Kassian than on Pitlick.

    They also failed to realize the potential of Lander as a bottom six player.

    This coaching staff also must have advocated for the new Russell four year contract which has hamstrung the possibility of addressing roster issues.

    It is this coaching staff that has had a putrid PK for 1.5 seasons.And who could not make adjustments to the power play once the opposition figured out its tendencies.

    Their handling of Puljujarvi, who is a critical asset of this team, has be abominable.

    The training camp they ran last September was dementor-like in its lack of focus on preparing for the season.

    This coaching staff is not good at maximizing what they have, so even if the GM has made mistakes, even a good GM would probably find it difficult in a hard cap world to find enough players for this coaching staff is actually contend.

    Oh boy, here we go again.

    Keep repeating lies to yourself and you believe it more and more.

  80. Spartacus says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Monahan and Tkachuk missed morning skate, so I’m just hoping they are absent tonight to make up for Klefbom’s absence. I want the oil to beat the flames 10-0 every night until I die.

    Edit: Looks like Monny in, Tkachuk out

    Did you just call him Monny?

    Gross.

  81. --hudson-- says:

    “Every time we played Calgary … it would be mean and vicious.”
    – Grant Fuhr

    https://www.theplayerstribune.com/grant-fuhr-oilers-flames-battle-of-alberta/

  82. LadiesloveSmid says:

    godot10,

    Pitlick missed 50 games to injury last year and hadn’t stuck before, walked as a UFA. We don’t know EDM didn’t offer him a fair deal based on his history.

  83. Melvis says:

    Side,

    Lies? I tend to view Godot’s missive as a point of view.

  84. Side says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    godot10,

    Pitlick missed 50 games to injury last year and hadn’t stuck before, walked as a UFA. We don’t know EDM didn’t offer him a fair deal based on his history.

    godot lives in a world where Pitlick played every game, outperformed Kassian in every measure and Chia was going to make Pitlick an offer until Todd stopped Pete.

    He’s also obsessed with comparing Pitlick to Kassian, for whatever reason.

  85. bendelson says:

    Melvis:
    I have faint hope this gets very interesting, Oth,I have relatives in Edmonton who have spent a hell of a lot of money on seats for prior and current debacles. And a couple of them are at the brink of some sort of 3 billboards prod.

    You know, because it’s cheaper and might be more “efficacious” in big pharma speak.

    Buy the ticket, take the ride.

  86. Side says:

    Melvis:
    Side,

    Lies?I tend to view Godot’s missive as a point of view.

    Did Todd say he placed more value on Kassian than Pitlick?

    Did Todd say he didn’t value Taylor Hall?

    Do we have proof that McLellan advocated for Russell to get a new contract?

    Etc.

    I don’t see any proof of these things, yet godot routinely promotes these things as facts.

    It’s a posting style I’m not a huge fan of.

  87. JimmyV1965 says:

    anjinsan:
    Going forward towards constituting a team that can win now in Edmonton I don’t see anything that can be done except sell the future for the present — trade years of future high picks for players now.

    Unfortunately, win now is simply not a viable option. Having said that IMO this team can absolutely make the playoffs next year with a couple tweaks.

    We have to have a reliable backup goalie. At this point, I think we can agree there’s about a 66% chance Talbot poops the bed to start the season. If we don’t get a reliable backup we can basically wave goodbye to the playoffs.

    We have to have a RHD that pushes Benning to the third pair. It doesn’t have to be a PP QB, just someone solid in the dzone and capable of moving the puck efficiently. In fact, any PP QB that is available likely sucks in the dzone. Having said that, I would be happy trading Strome for Barrie. RNH for Barrie would be brutal.

    We need to improve on the wing. I would even be happy signing a guy like Versteeg. However, I think we can trade for a 20 goal winger and it shouldn’t break the bank.

    The only trade chip I can see is trading down in the first round. We can fill the winger or RHD hole with a move like this. Right now we’re slated to draft 7OV. I don’t see a huge gap between this spot and something like 22OV. We can make this move, get a decent roster player and still have pick in the first round.

    I would even trade RNH, but I have zero faith in Chia getting good value in a trade. The challenge with RNH is that he’s not an elite C. But he is an elite C on the PP and the PK. I think you can make a legit argument that’s he’s been better on the PP this year than both McDavid and Drai. The only way you get value for him is by acquiring a top six player on a ELC.

    With patience, competent mngt, good drafting and development, this team can be a legit Cup contender in two to three years.

  88. Melvis says:

    Side,

    I’m not teven sticking up for Godot per se, but really. I’m just curious. How does his pov affect you personally – to the point of “he lies”. Which trends toward character assassination. Do you have that much skin in this game? Or his game?

  89. GMB3 says:

    From yesterday’s thread it’s apparent this season is all part of Chiarelli’s master plan.

    -maybe he wanted to lose all these games this seaso

    -maybe this year was decided as a trial year for all these young forwards because Chiarelli knew the team was a growth team and that’s not why he traded away two high draft picks for immediate help in 2015.

    -maybe Chiarelli was joking when he said “I’m an impatient guy!!”

    -maybe nothing is wrong with the construction of this roster.

    Ha ha dotard ha ha

    Put me in a cannon and fire me into the sun

  90. Melvis says:

    bendelson,

    Okay, there’s Connor of course. But other than that, I need a hall pass. Unless you want to hook up for a beer. If I’m going to piss away a thousand bucks, I might as well attempt something along the lines of a yuk or two.

  91. Side says:

    Melvis:
    Side,

    I’m not teven sticking up for Godot per se, but really. I’m just curious. How does his pov affect you personally – to the point of “he lies”. Which trends toward character assassination.Do you have that much skin in this game? Or his game?

    It doesn’t really affect me personally. I don’t lose sleep over it and I don’t mash my keyboard in anger.

    But if someone presents something as fact and it’s not, then why shouldn’t they be called out for it?

    We live in a period of time where misinformation, lies and falsehoods run rampant and they seem to be encouraged. People who tell lies, fibs, whatever are not called out for it, and if they are they are protected by a group of people who feel they’re entitled to spread this misinformation.

    And character assassination? godot is a username on a website, I don’t know him personally. godot seems to be assassinating McLellan’s character more than I am assassinating godot’s.

  92. Washingtron says:

    Guys, don’t freak out but my order number just now at the work commissary is 97. Soooooo…

  93. Melman says:

    godot10:
    The first problem that has to be fixed with the Oilers is the coaching.

    It is this coaching staff that could not fix Justin Schultz, that didn’t see value in Taylor Hall, and that couldn’t adjust their systems enough for Jordan Eberle to be an effective player for them.It was this coaching staff that placed more value on Kassian than on Pitlick.

    They also failed to realize the potential of Lander as a bottom six player.

    This coaching staff also must have advocated for the new Russell four year contract which has hamstrung the possibility of addressing roster issues.

    It is this coaching staff that has had a putrid PK for 1.5 seasons.And who could not make adjustments to the power play once the opposition figured out its tendencies.

    Their handling of Puljujarvi, who is a critical asset of this team, has be abominable.

    The training camp they ran last September was dementor-like in its lack of focus on preparing for the season.

    This coaching staff is not good at maximizing what they have, so even if the GM has made mistakes, even a good GM would probably find it difficult in a hard cap world to find enough players for this coaching staff is actually contend.

    So you’re saying there’s still a chance!

  94. Melvis says:

    Side,

    So re read your post. What are you getting worked up about? Digital ciphers?

  95. Side says:

    Melvis:
    Side,

    So re read your post. What are you getting worked up about? Digital ciphers?

    “worked up about”?

    I call godot out for typing out lies, you asked me why, I told you and now you’re saying I’m worked up and assassinating peoples characters. Interesting.

    Seeing as how you are the one who rushed to godots defense, asked me to explain myself and instead of actually engaging in discussion, you are responding with “you mad” comments, I have to ask you.

    Are you the one who is worked up?

  96. vinotintazo says:

    Side: Oh boy, here we go again.
    Keep repeating lies to yourself and you believe it more and more.

    Coaching staff is to blame for every issue!
    No credit to current coaching staff for any success, must be an independent skill coach or it was Todd Nelson who gets credit!

  97. Pouzar says:

    Dustylegnd: Dont kid yourself, at least Hamonick is a top 4 NHL D man who is having an off year

    That’s 2 off years in a row now.

    Think we could get him for Darnell? /axeGrinding

  98. Melvis says:

    Side,

    I expresslly noted I wasn’t rushing to Godot’s defence. So that’s a bit of an exaggeration.

    “you mad”comments. LOL

    You could try speaking English, for starters.

    Worked up/? I’m about as worked up as flicking you off like a booger off a finger.

  99. Side says:

    Melvis:
    Side,

    I expresslly noted I wasn’t rushing to Godot’s defence. So that’s a bit of an exaggeration.

    “you mad”comments. LOL

    You could try speaking English, for starters.

    Worked up/? I’m about as worked up as flicking you off like a booger off a finger.

    “you mad” is a meme. Usually when someone is unable to argue with another party, they try to claim the other party is “mad” to derail the topic. This is why I had “you mad” in quotes. *insert comment snarky comment about how you should try to learn English*

    This is the day and age we live in:

    Person 1 “The Earth is flat”

    Person 2 “That is a lie”

    Person 1 “Do not assassinate my character, it is merely my point of view”

    I won’t lie, I was so mad and worked up typing this comment, I broke three keyboards and broke some teeth from all the jaw clenching I was doing.

    This has affected me personally, on many levels.

    This is also sarcasm.

  100. Washingtron says:

    Sigh

  101. russ99 says:

    It’s been a rough season, but beat the damn flames and the pitchforks subside for a little while.

    I said this back 10 years ago, and it still holds true today:

    At some point Katz is going to have to choose between his 80s drinking buddies and consistently winning.

  102. --hudson-- says:

    Todd’s pregame availability. Nothing about the lineup.
    – About the spoiler role again
    – About the success against the Flames and the Battle of Alberta
    – Lots of McDavid discussion, the Hart, his development and ability to recall past games.

    Source video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H34MFuf_SFM
    ————————————————–
    Q; The Flames obviously have a lot to play for here. Your team has a chance to be a spoiler. I know that you kind of embraced it as a roster, but just a thought on tonight against your rival.
    A: We both have a lot to play for, I just don’t think that the Flames do. Obviously they’re fighting for a playoff position or not, but we’ve got a lot of things that we need to accomplish as a team, and as far as the spoiler role goes, I think anytime that you bring that up as a team you haven’t had the season that you needed to have. So it’s just about us trying to get better and playing a good strong game, moving forward against one of our rivals.

    Q: What are some of the factors that have gone into the recent success of your team against the Flames?
    A: You know, I’ve been asked that question a number of times, and it varies from night to night. The games have moved around, one team as a quick start, the other team doesn’t, special teams come into play, goaltending some nights. We’ve been able to get leads and hold on, we’ve been able to come from behind. So I don’t think there’s one set pattern that really describes our play or their play against each other. It’s often circumstances and often one goal swing one way or the other.

    Q: Do you find it important to control the Battle of Alberta. You’ve been in Edmonton now three years, is it important vibe around the city being on the plus side of that ledger?
    A: I think that’s a, you know, there’s a natural yes answer to that question. They’re our rival, they we share the province, two very proud franchises and organizations, you know, and to have success against your rival is important. But, you know, you’ve gotta also equate that into seasonal success and right now they have a chance to continue their season we don’t. So it really is catch-22 and for us it’s a one event night, if you will, it’s not about the five or six games that have happened over the past 16-17 months. It’s about what we can accomplish here tonight as a group to improve.

    Q: What did you like about the last three games, your home stand, that you want to see carry forward this week?
    A: Well our special teams have risen to the occasion where they’ve been generally struggling for long periods. We’ve been able to win games because of them lately, be it the power player, the penalty kill, and I know tonight that’ll come into play at some point as well. We’ll have to be strong in those areas, I think that Cam Talbots playing some of his best hockey, all season he’s been a very calming influence in the net for us. Any time we’ve had breakdowns, you’ve been able to get the saves, and also managed the game a little bit. Get us a rest, get us a whistle when we needed it, so those have been two big factors.

    Q: Connor McDavid, obviously is Connor McDavid, does he deserve some talk about the Hart now with the run he’s on?
    A: Absolutely, and on the discussion out there all will be, well the Oilers aren’t going to make the playoffs, so he shouldn’t be considered. I disagree with that. Without him we’d be in big trouble and, you know, he’s been the heartbeat of our team all year when you look at the type of numbers he’s put up throughout the season, he deserves to be talked in that same breath. He also played quite sick for almost a month, where his play dropped a little bit, we had to cut his minutes back but that’s a good sign of a leader, and I think he’s been tremendous especially from Christmas on.

    Q: What do you incrementally see in terms of the games that he’s played year over year? Because we were gushing about him last year at this time, gushing about him again, but as a coach, what do you see as the biggest strides he’s made in his development as a professional?
    A: Well believe it or not, I’m probably gonna talk on the defensive side of the puck, and you know, we know his speed, we know his ability to take defenseman on one on one, and all his offensive gifts are growing. He’s understanding what the opposition’s like, but the defensive play, we’ve matched him up against some of the team’s top lines down the stretch, and his ability to play on the other side of the puck, and break plays up, has gotten better, and we believe it can continue to get better. He’s really becoming a complete MVP in the league.

    Q: Do you believe that this is going to be a kid that has a goal of lifelong learning? Like, I remember Crosby in his fourth year, wanted to narrow in on faceoff wins cause it was the one part of his game that he saw as a detriment or something that he could improve. Do you see the same qualities in Connor, in terms of, he’s always just going to, no matter how long he plays, want to be just a little bit better?
    A: I think you’re dead-on, and I think there’s a unique talent or tool, and some of those special players. I saw it in Datsyuk and Zetterberg even Nick Lidstrom at his age, Joe Thornton, Joe Pavelski… They are always finding ways to get an edge, and the edge they have now isn’t going to last forever. So they’re looking for it. for a difference. Those special players, obviously Connor, and Sid, and now Ovechkin, we’re talking about him again. They study the game, they know where they need to be in certain situations, they know and can predict, sometimes, what’s going to happen on the ice so they can take advantage. And I think you have to work at that, you have to be able to study the game, and put yourself in a position to have success and those players do it.

    Q: {inaudible question about McDavid}
    A: Well they do, they study the game. I think the great players can replay the game for you. Connor, can probably replay some of his shifts from game 49 in, I think it was game 49, when we played here. He could probably tell you, without going back to the video, that this happened or that happen, or I needed to adjust this in that situation, and that’s a month and a half or two months ago now. So those special players, have that unique ability. We’ve got one around us all the time, Wayne, and anybody around him knows that he can tell stories, and he can tell you what it’s smelt like that night, never mind what happened on the ice. All these senses are tapped by those special players and Connor is one of them.

  103. GMB3 says:

    OmJo: It’s like Flames try to outdo us in everything, even in getting taken to task by Garth freaking Snow.

    I mean in typical Flames fashion they didn’t come close to us there either

  104. russ99 says:

    godot10,

    The fans and MacT’s idiotic pronouncement ran Schultz out of town, his confidence was shattered before the current regime took over.

    You keep beating a drum for Lander and Pitlick, neither are even average NHL players, and on a team with any kind of player development system we should find cheap AHL replacements for them rather than throwing good money after bad on an RFA deal, this needs to happen with a lot of players this summer…

    The handling of Puljujarvi is just fine. Players need to earn top 6 icetime, not be gifted it and if they don’t show commitment to full effort, they deserve to be dropped to a lower line. You may say that the Oilers didn’t do the same with veterans, but you still need 6 players in the top 6, you can’t bench everyone. The way McLellan handled Puljujarvi will pay off in future seasons.

    I agree that some coaching decisions have been poor, we need to adjust quicker, line match like every other coaching staff, stop switching positions back and forth, blending lines every day and the lack of defensive forwards of even average capacity played into the PK issue, so you can’t blame McLellan entirely for that.

    It comes down to do you want to maintain structure for a young team? If so, we either need to keep McLellan or hire a similar coach, preferably someone better with a track record, like Quenneville. At the very least we need to change assistants.

    The coach that eschews systems for all out offense doesn’t exist in today’s NHL so much of the coaching complaints flying around won’t change anyway.

  105. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    Melvis:
    Side,

    Worked up/? I’m about as worked up as flicking you off like a booger off a finger.

    Pure poetry.

  106. hunter1909 says:

    russ99: The fans and MacT’s idiotic pronouncement ran Schultz out of town

    Thank you for reminding everyone what we can do when we pull together as fans, with management.

  107. hunter1909 says:

    Durag:
    Connor McDavid has scored 18 goals in 21 games since Paul Coffey was hired on as a skills coach.

    Coincidence??? Probably!

    I said this yesterday: By next Christmas it will be commonly accepted that Paul Coffey is a genius at hockey.

  108. hunter1909 says:

    hunter1909: I said this yesterday: By next Christmas it will be commonly accepted that Paul Coffey is a genius at hockey.

    Paul Coffey has the most potential left in the tank; was compared to Bobby freaking Orr in his prime years on the Oilers and in his day was arguably considered by sober thinking men to be Gretzky’s equal!

    It was his skating, which was actually pretty good which set him apart.

  109. hunter1909 says:

    Paul Coffey circa 1985 and Connor McDavid would be getting 150+ points every season.

  110. hunter1909 says:

    “It’s the Oilers Stanley Cup tonight” flames blogger

  111. PhrankLee says:

    Good post, LT. Thanks.

    Is it weird that my tinnitus spikes in frequency and volume when you make reasonable assumptions that nearly all the OBC is in place and the Red Wedding of Rexall Place is about to begin in earnest?

  112. digger50 says:

    Im in the replace the coach camp.

    Without presenting the why

    I feel it will result in the single biggest improvement to the team.

  113. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    hunter1909:
    “It’s the Oilers Stanley Cup tonight” flames blogger

    Well they’re not wrong

  114. Georges says:

    Side: Oh boy, here we go again.

    Keep repeating lies to yourself and you believe it more and more.

    I see most of what godot posted as a good reading of events given the information available. In any case, as melvis points out, they’re his point of view or reading of events. Points of view are what get shared around here. Some points of view are offered with evidence. Others are just so stories. They resonate differently with different people.

    “The Earth is flat” isn’t a lie. It’s false.

    For you to say that his comments are false requires you to prove them to be so.

    For you to say that his comments aren’t persuasive is to express your point of view.

    For you to say that his comments are lies is… strange.

  115. jtblack says:

    Edm’s year sucks. Full Stop.

    But what do you do if you are the Flames? Is there much more they can get out of their Roster? Great years by Monny (so gross), Johnny, Dougie, Tkachuk, Gio. What is going to change for them next year?

    LETS GO OILERS

  116. godot10 says:

    Side:

    And character assassination? godot is a username on a website, I don’t know him personally.godot seems to be assassinating McLellan’s character more than I am assassinating godot’s.

    I have never disparaged McLellan’s character. (So you apparently also “lie”.) I HAVE disparaged his coaching ability.

  117. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    Georges: I see most of what godot posted as a good reading of events given the information available. In any case, as melvis points out, they’re his point of view or reading of events. Points of view are what get shared around here. Some points of view are offered with evidence. Others are just so stories. They resonate differently with different people.

    “The Earth is flat” isn’t a lie. It’s false.

    For you to say that his comments are false requires you to prove them to be so.

    For you to say that his comments aren’t persuasive is to express your point of view.

    For you to say that his comments are lies is… strange.

    Pure Vulcan.

  118. Side says:

    Georges: I see most of what godot posted as a good reading of events given the information available. In any case, as melvis points out, they’re his point of view or reading of events. Points of view are what get shared around here. Some points of view are offered with evidence. Others are just so stories. They resonate differently with different people.

    “The Earth is flat” isn’t a lie. It’s false.

    For you to say that his comments are false requires you to prove them to be so.

    For you to say that his comments are lies is… strange.

    So godot has been on the anti-Todd bandwagon forever. When he says:

    “Todd does not value Taylor Hall”

    This is, in my opinion, is a false statement done with the intent to mislead or deceive people into thinking Todd did not value Taylor Hall, and because he didn’t value Taylor Hall, this is the reason why Todd is a bad coach and the Oilers are failing (which is godots whole schtick).

  119. bendelson says:

    hunter1909: By next Christmas it will be commonly accepted that Paul Coffey is a genius at hockey.

    I suspect that level of optimism is going to be needed around these parts come April, May, June, July, August… best keep it at the ready.

  120. Georges says:

    Side: So godot has been on the anti-Todd bandwagon forever. When he says:

    “Todd does not value Taylor Hall”

    This is, in my opinion, is a false statement done with the intent to mislead or deceive people into thinking Todd did not value Taylor Hall, and because he didn’t value Taylor Hall, this is the reason why Todd is a bad coach and the Oilers are failing (which is godots whole schtick).

    godot specifically said this:

    “It is this coaching staff that could not fix Justin Schultz, that didn’t see value in Taylor Hall, and that couldn’t adjust their systems enough for Jordan Eberle to be an effective player for them.”

    The gist of it, for me, is that the coaching staff, on all three occasions failed to unlock the potential of these players, potential that they went on to realize once they left the team. It points to the failure of the coaches to see “true” value rather than “any’ value. It’s a simple leap to make in following his reasoning given his other criticisms.

    A couple of quotes from Bruce’s Journal article last year on Taylor Hall for Adam Larsson:

    http://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/adam-larsson-made-some-edmonton-oilers-fans-forget-taylor-hall

    Said Chiarelli:

    “In the last four or five months I’ve been quite public in saying we’re looking for some defencemen. We’ve really got to shore up our defence. And we’ve pounded the pavement and this is the price that you have to pay … We wanted to get a right shot D that could play high in your line-up and that’s the price.”

    Head coach Todd McLellan echoed the sentiment:

    “It’s insanity if you keep banging your head against a wall. We needed to shore up a hole. I know there is a lot of talk about (losing) that dynamic offensive guy, but we also needed a good shutdown 20-minute-a-night guy, and we believe we have that in Larsson.”

    McLellan is saying that having a “dynamic offensive guy” without “a good shutdown 20-minute-a-night-guy” means “you keep banging your head against a wall.” I interpret this as I know what the problem is and why this team has been losing all of these years. And I am OK with the trade because I believe I received more value coming back than what we gave away. “We needed to shore up a hole.”

    godot, I believe, values Hall as an out of category, elite player. Along with many others on this blog. For them, the value exchanged in the trade was nowhere near equal. I think he (rightly) believes that the trade would not have happened if McLellan truly “valued” what he had in Hall more than what he could have in Larsson. I think godot is saying McLellan didn’t see the “true value” in Taylor Hall.

    But that’s just my reading of how godot goes about things.

  121. Georges says:

    Side,

    As for the anti-Todd bandwagon, I’m relatively new. I was super hopeful in the playoffs and then puzzled by the outcome. I had to wait for more things to happen. And I had to spend some time looking into the historical performance of NHL coaches in the past two decades. Now that I’ve spent that time and more things have happened, I’d characterize McLellan’s 3 years with our club as failed years, given his opportunity and his accomplishments. My list of reasons for jumping on the anti-Todd bandwagon can fill the bandwagon.

  122. Side says:

    Georges: godot specifically said this:

    “It is this coaching staff that could not fix Justin Schultz, that didn’t see value in Taylor Hall, and that couldn’t adjust their systems enough for Jordan Eberle to be an effective player for them.”

    The gist of it, for me, is that the coaching staff, on all three occasions failed to unlock the potential of these players, potential that they went on to realize once they left the team. It points to the failure of the coaches to see “true” value rather than “any’ value. It’s a simple leap to make in following his reasoning given his other criticisms.

    A couple of quotes from Bruce’s Journal article last year on Taylor Hall for Adam Larsson:

    http://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/adam-larsson-made-some-edmonton-oilers-fans-forget-taylor-hall

    Said Chiarelli:

    “In the last four or five months I’ve been quite public in saying we’re looking for some defencemen. We’ve really got to shore up our defence. And we’ve pounded the pavement and this is the price that you have to pay … We wanted to get a right shot D that could play high in your line-up and that’s the price.”

    Head coach Todd McLellan echoed the sentiment:

    “It’s insanity if you keep banging your head against a wall. We needed to shore up a hole. I know there is a lot of talk about (losing) that dynamic offensive guy, but we also needed a good shutdown 20-minute-a-night guy, and we believe we have that in Larsson.”

    McLellan is saying that having a “dynamic offensive guy” without “a good shutdown 20-minute-a-night-guy” means “you keep banging your head against a wall.” I interpret this as I know what the problem is and why this team has been losing all of these years. And I am OK with the trade because I believe I received more value coming back than what we gave away. “We needed to shore up a hole.”

    godot, I believe, values Hall as an out of category, elite player. Along with many others on this blog. For them, the value exchanged in the trade was nowhere near equal. I think he (rightly) believes that the trade would not have happened if McLellan truly “valued” what he had in Hall more than what he could have in Larsson. I think godot is saying McLellan didn’t see the “true value” in Taylor Hall.

    But that’s just my reading of how godot goes about things.

    Interesting take.

    I take McLellan’s comments as

    “My boss just traded one of our best players for Adam Larsson and now I have to talk up the trade”.

    What else is Todd going to say?

    The failings of Justin Schultz are not on Todd’s hands. The only reason why Justin was “unlocked” in Pittsburgh is because they used him as he should have been used. When you’re the Oilers and you have an AHL quality defense, you don’t have much choice but to put one of your better players on the top line (Schultz) it’s the best, worst decision to make.

    Still leaves some of godots other points that are head scratchers.

  123. Side says:

    Georges:
    Side,

    As for the anti-Todd bandwagon, I’m relatively new. I was super hopeful in the playoffs and then puzzled by the outcome. I had to wait for more things to happen. And I had to spend some time looking into the historical performance of NHL coaches in the past two decades. Now that I’ve spent that time and more things have happened, I’d characterize McLellan’s 3 years with our club as failed years, given his opportunity and his accomplishments. My list of reasons for jumping on the anti-Todd bandwagon can fill the bandwagon.

    Todd’s first year was flawed team with an injured superstar.

    Todd’s second year, his team was +100 points and made it to the 2nd round (which they got screwed out of by the refs, imo).

    Third year – total failure, but I don’t put all of the blame on Todd.

    IMO, I think Todd is a capable coach, but I do think the Oilers should get someone else. I also think it’s absurd to blame Todd for decisions the GM makes, blame Todd for players underachieving, and saying that any player who is showing growth under Todd, is doing so “in spite of Todd”.

  124. Georges says:

    Side: Interesting take.

    I take McLellan’s comments as

    “My boss just traded one of our best players for Adam Larsson and now I have to talk up the trade”.

    What else is Todd going to say?

    The failings of Justin Schultz are not on Todd’s hands. The only reason why Justin was “unlocked” in Pittsburgh is because they used him as he should have been used.When you’re the Oilers and you have an AHL quality defense, you don’t have much choice but to put one of your better players on the top line (Schultz) it’s the best, worst decision to make.

    Still leaves some of godots other points that are head scratchers.

    Either the HC states preferences that guide and influence the GM’s personnel decisions or the GM makes personnel decisions and the HC has to live with them and talk them up.

    Here’s some more:

    This just in from Sportsnet’s Elliotte Friedman, a rip from Edmonton Oilers coach Todd McLellan on Edmonton’s forwards. “Coach Todd McLellan’s exasperation with his forwards grows on a game-by-game basis. At this point, I assume the only untouchables up-front are Connor McDavid and Leon Draisaitl.”

    http://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/todd-mclellan-exasperated-with-all-edmonton-oilers-forwards-expect-mcdavid-draisaitl

    McLellan, asked about changing the commitment level of some players: “Maybe we have to get rid of some.”

    “The spirit of the team isn’t where it needs to be,” he continued. “It’s got to get better, or we’ve got to make huge, huge changes.

    “There were some (players) who should be embarrassed when they leave here,” he added, specifically mentioning defenseman Justin Schultz.

    https://www.thescore.com/news/966548

    We know what happened to Schultz shortly after.

    So either he was speaking the truth about the need for “huge, huge changes” or he was as shocked as everybody else about the Hall trade and tried to make the best of a bad lot.

  125. Side says:

    Georges,

    The GM hires the coach because the coach aligns with his view to some extent. I have no doubt that the coach has some kind of say on some decisions being made, but when I read your quotes I don’t see “Taylor Hall is the problem and I want him to go”.

    Chiarelli has already established a history and was making the same kind of trades before he had Todd as his HC.

    I very much doubt Chiarelli is some kind of puppet of Todd’s.

  126. The Hermit says:

    russ99: The fans and MacT’s idiotic pronouncement ran Schultz out of town, his confidence was shattered before the current regime took over.

    The Oilers were not going to qualify Justin Schultz at 4 million per so he was moved.

  127. OmJo says:

    Side: Did Todd say he placed more value on Kassian than Pitlick?

    Did Todd say he didn’t value Taylor Hall?

    Do we have proof that McLellan advocated for Russell to get a new contract?

    Etc.

    I don’t see any proof of these things, yet godot routinely promotes these things as facts.

    It’s a posting style I’m not a huge fan of.

    It is this coaching staff that could not fix Justin Schultz, that didn’t see value in Taylor Hall, and that couldn’t adjust their systems enough for Jordan Eberle to be an effective player for them.It was this coaching staff that placed more value on Kassian than on Pitlick.

    1. The coaching staff did fail to fix Schultz. That’s not a lie.

    2. If the coaching staff saw the real value of having Hall on the roster, he would be on the roster. Haynes sees the value in Taylor Hall. The Devils aren’t trading him for anything short of an overpayment.

    3. Eberle dropped in performance. The coaching staff had him playing a 3rd line role with Lucic and Nugent-Hopkins. He goes to NYI and viola, he’s a productive player again.

    4. Both were free agents. Kassian got the multi-year contract, Pitlick got the door. Does the coach not have a say in who is on his team?

    5. Again with Russell. He doesn’t get a 4×4 contract if McLellan doesn’t value him.

    2-5 aren’t possible to unquestionably prove unless somebody hacks into the Oilers email and leaks their messages. But there’s enough information out there to come to the conclusions that Godot did. Can you prove that Godot is lying? They aren’t farfetched enough to call them outright lies.

  128. Georges says:

    Side:
    Georges,

    The GM hires the coach because the coach aligns with his view to some extent. I have no doubt that the coach has some kind of say on some decisions being made, but when I read your quotes I don’t see “Taylor Hall is the problem and I want him to go”.

    Chiarelli has already established a history and was making the same kind of trades before he had Todd as his HC.

    I very much doubt Chiarelli is some kind of puppet of Todd’s.

    OK. I confess I can’t find a link with Todd on record with “Taylor Hall is the problem and I want him to go.” My bad.

    And I believe Nicholson and MacT hired McLellan before PC “hired” him.

    You have a point of view.

    My point of view is that coaches who miss the playoffs are in danger of being fired. Those who miss the playoffs after doing worse than the previous year are more likely to be fired. And coaches with a sub .500 record in their 3rd season are almost always fired. If they just sneak above .500 and manage to survive, they’re fired before the middle of their 4th season. All of the attributes I’ve described are associated with failure in coaching careers.

    And, if you haven’t seen my other posts on this topic, our HC isn’t a victim of circumstances as you seem to prefer to characterize it. He richly deserves his record with the club.

  129. maudite says:

    We are losing because of special teams primarily.

    After trading bodies away our special teams oddly is executing better. …i don’t know how anyone can’t take a hard look at coaching utilization and execution with regards to special teams and not be a little perturbed at results.

  130. Georges says:

    Anyway, let’s beat the Flames.

    And CMD should score 50 by season end.

    And win the scoring race.

    Just to make it clear.

  131. meanashell11 says:

    Another day of talking about Godot and various trades everyone hates. Sigh, can we talk about the Flames game and how much we hate them? This place is getting so sad…..

    And before I get a bunch of people complaining that I do not decide what is talked about around here, I do not care. Let’s talk about the game and shelve this BS that goes on and on and on. So boring.

  132. oilfan9911 says:

    Georges,

    If you’re going to produce old articles about McLellans frustrations with players that’s fine, but the other side of that coin is that Hall recently admitted he didn’t want a dialogue with the coaches here and preferred to just play. Perhaps Todd was right to be frustrated? And perhaps when a unique set of circumstances arose – CBJ passing on Pool Party, allowing the Oilers to draft him as possible replacement in conjunction with signing Lucic – the team felt ok dealing him to shore up a glaring weakness.

    That’s not to say the return was adequate or that Todd doesn’t completely own the failure of the special teams or …

  133. Lowetide says:

    meanashell11:
    Another day of talking about Godot and various trades everyone hates. Sigh, can we talk about the Flames game and how much we hate them? This place is getting so sad…..

    And before I get a bunch of people complaining that I do not decide what is talked about around here, I do not care. Let’s talk about the game and shelve this BS that goes on and on and on. So boring.

    I totally understand that sentiment but would encourage you (and others) to expand on the sentiment. If you don’t like the verbal, change it! Post about tonight’s game, McDavid’s chances of winning the scoring title, et cetera. Is Talbot back?

    This blog goes anywhere and everyone has a gas pedal and steering wheel. You make the call!

  134. StixMalone says:

    I’m glad that rat Tkachuk isn’t playing tonight……..

  135. Andy Dufresne says:

    Four things Im looking forward to tonight

    1) Nuge further establishing himself as McDavids winger

    2) Ethan Bear Scoring his first NHL Goal

    3) Seeing Khaira beat the shit out of a Flem……Any Flem

    4) Watching Lucic Rock one Lames world……..Any Lame

  136. hunter1909 says:

    Lowetide: This blog goes anywhere and everyone has a gas pedal and steering wheel. You make the call!

    Ok Lowetide:

    What do you think about Paul Coffey’s role on the team to date? Going forward?

  137. godot10 says:

    Side: Todd’s first year was flawed team with an injured superstar.

    Todd’s second year, his team was +100 points and made it to the 2nd round (which they got screwed out of by the refs, imo).

    Third year – total failure, but I don’t put all of the blame on Todd.

    IMO, I think Todd is a capable coach, but I do think the Oilers should get someone else. I also think it’s absurd to blame Todd for decisions the GM makes, blame Todd for players underachieving, and saying that any player who is showing growth under Todd, is doing so “in spite of Todd”.

    After two seasons under McLellan, many many people were saying Nurse was going to be a failure, at least relatively, and that he should be traded for a right D while he still had cachet.

    He hires Oates as a personal coach over the summer and boom, the Nurse we were hoping for is back on track.

    Now Puljujarvi has had two underwhelming years under McLellan…

  138. geowal says:

    Going to the game tonight, got my Smytty jersey. Go Oilers!!!!

  139. JimmyV1965 says:

    Lowetide: I totally understand that sentiment but would encourage you (and others) to expand on the sentiment. If you don’t like the verbal, change it! Post about tonight’s game, McDavid’s chances of winning the scoring title, et cetera. Is Talbot back?

    This blog goes anywhere and everyone has a gas pedal and steering wheel. You make the call!

    The vast majority of us hated the Hall trade, the Ebs deal and the Reinhart boondoggle, but it does get a little tiring rehashing the past. I just usually skip over the comments. Personally, I’d love to hear what people think we should do to improve the team, in the short term and long term. I find it way more interesting.

  140. Lowetide says:

    hunter1909: Ok Lowetide:

    What do you think about Paul Coffey’s role on the team to date? Going forward?

    Very concerning. It’s always a good idea to ask the following question: What NHL job would another organization hire him to do? I can think of “train our offensive defensemen to perform at their highest level with the puck on their sticks” but that’s it.

    I don’t think that’s why he was hired.

  141. Lowetide says:

    JimmyV1965: The vast majority of us hated the Hall trade, the Ebs deal and the Reinhart boondoggle, but it does get a little tiring rehashing the past. I just usually skip over the comments. Personally, I’d love to hear what people think we should do to improve the team, in the short term and long term. I find it way more interesting.

    I think they should improve as much as possible without giving anything of high end value up this summer. Draft well, sign a couple of veteran free-agent wingers at reasonable dollars and a more substantial backup goalie.

  142. OmJo says:

    StixMalone:
    I’m glad that rat Tkachuk isn’t playing tonight……..

    I’m not. Can almost guarantee Khaira would have whooped his ass tonight if he tried anything stupid.

  143. hunter1909 says:

    Lowetide: I don’t think that’s why he was hired.

    For once, I’ll disagree. Succeed or fail, Coffey’s the best non-Gretzky Oiler I ever saw. And if anyone remembers my poker philosophy this greatest defenceman in his time sans Orr feels like when you get two identical cards in blackjack and with a pair of Aces you get 2 chances to win everything on the table.

    You still might not win, but it’s sometimes worth the risk.

  144. rickithebear says:

    Side:

    Avg shot in HD area goes in 17.5% (.825 save%)of the time.
    Avg LD shot goes in 3.5% (.965 save%) of the time.
    (17.5/3.5 = 5):(3.5/3.5=1)
    5:1
    Historically Nurse yields 14hd sh/60
    30 shot game
    14 x .825 = 11.55 saves
    16 x .965 = 15.44 saves
    26.99/30 = .900 is the Expected save% created by Nurse.

    Klefbom 13.75
    13.75 x .825 = 11.344 saves
    16.25 x .965 = 15.681 saves
    27.025/30 = .901 is the Expected save% created by Klefbom

    MacT has adopted Eakins pressure system.
    Especially asking our d to abandon defence of the 17.5% success area to pressure the 3.5% success area.
    That is incompetent and bat shit crazy,

  145. rickithebear says:

    hunter1909: For once, I’ll disagree. Succeed or fail, Coffey’s the best non-Gretzky Oiler I ever saw. And if anyone remembers my poker philosophy this greatest defenceman in his time sans Orr feels like when you get two identical cards in blackjack and with a pair of Aces you get 2 chances to win everything on the table.

    You still might not win, but it’s sometimes worth the risk.

    Skating up the puck to likely stopped by the NZ trap.
    Or forced to the ineffective perimeter is not a useful way to attack anymore.

    I recommend that everyone go to NHL stat site.
    Select goalie summary
    Get the 31 to 33 most GP goalies.
    List the highest, median, 30th lowest save % for each season.
    List the top 5 goalies for each season .
    List the 5th best save%.
    You get an idea of the growth of save%
    List the goalies in the top 5 3 times.

    Dominick hasej was the best player (forward, D, goalies) to ever play the game.

  146. frjohnk says:

    rickithebear:
    Side:

    Avg shot in HD area goes in 17.5% (.825 save%)of the time.
    Avg LD shot goes in3.5% (.965 save%) of the time.
    (17.5/3.5 = 5):(3.5/3.5=1)
    5:1
    Historically Nurse yields 14hd sh/60
    30 shot game
    14 x .825 = 11.55 saves
    16 x .965 = 15.44 saves
    26.99/30 = .900 is the Expected save% created by Nurse.

    Klefbom 13.75
    13.75 x .825 = 11.344 saves
    16.25 x .965 = 15.681 saves
    27.025/30 = .901 is the Expected save% created by Klefbom

    MacT has adopted Eakins pressure system.
    Especially asking our d to abandon defence of the 17.5% success area to pressure the 3.5% success area.
    That is incompetent and bat shit crazy,

    Where do you get your numbers from?

    Natural stat trick high danger shot attempts are not even that high for Nurse and Klefbom.
    Shots on net from the high danger location would be even less.

  147. rickithebear says:

    The best adjusted system coach we have had since MacT is Todd Nelson.r

  148. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Man I love the Oilers. Eskies too.

    I moved from Edmonton years ago. I didn’t want to go the police insisted. Kidding.

    I thought in that time when both teams sucked and my heart had been broken by the trades, after watching the best team and the best player of all time, that maybe I should try to switch my allegiances.

    I couldn’t, and can’t.

    I watched Connor live a few weeks into his first year, and after watching Glory Oilers, I couldn’t believe it. What I saw was beyond the pale already.

    I jumped up and down and whoooooted like a kid when I came home from work early one Saturday not remembering the lottery was on and saw the card flip.

    We are so blessed in that luck of the draw.

    Connor makes watching any game he plays in worth while. I hope he is given full support in trying to win the scoring title. Nothing would go further in cementing him to the team.

    It might even be the thing that gels the team. What nobler cause is there for them? They see him every day, it’s a privilege to play with a player like that.

    No more mistakes Mr Katz. What happens on the ice is more important than what happens in ‘Vegas’.

  149. sliderule says:

    Lowetide: Very concerning. It’s always a good idea to ask the following question: What NHL job would another organization hire him to do? I can think of “train our offensive defensemen to perform at their highest level with the puck on their sticks” but that’s it.

    I don’t think that’s why he was hired.

    OMG if you are right we are screwed.

    At my age I don’t have too many more years for the oilers so please do not let that happen😡

  150. Pouzar says:

    godot10: and that he should be traded for a right D while he still had cachet.

    *coughHamoniccough*

  151. Scungilli Slushy says:

    I can’t bring myself to have second favourite teams. There are some who I admire because they play how I want the Oilers to play. Or the Esks. In the playoffs I have teams I can stand to win the Cup.

    Really if it wasn’t bad for leagues, I want my team to win every game and every year.

  152. rickithebear says:

    frjohnk: Where do you get your numbers from?

    Natural stat trick high danger shot attempts are not even that high for Nurse and Klefbom.
    Shots on netfrom the high danger location would be even less.

    Telling the guy who invented the HD theory and defined the true line in sand based on performance value.

    Quoting a sight that is ignorant to correct line in the sand is lying to hockey fans that want to correctly better themselves.

    As silly as using dangerous fenwick as the measure of HD performance.
    When it is 85% less accurate than the best option Corsi to shots.

    Natural (Not accurate) stat trick.

    Inaccurate and wrong is wrong.

    You got any other brutally inaccurate sites to visit other than stat trick or Puck IQ.

    Sorry LT!
    I will gladly point out a correct sight when it shows up.

    I now contact sites to inform them of thier failings based on my 20+ theories.
    Last night I informed PJ tanner of the filings of his work.
    Provided him the base theories that could greatly improve the accuracy.
    I hope he accepts the guidance.

    You guys need to understand that HD shot analysis is a simplified shots density chart for the masses.
    Thier are a lot of correction factors of almost no value introduced to this system.
    The only correction factor needed is the exclusion of 0 % chance (closed) shots.
    Which makes a true shot density chart based solely on shots that have a chance of going in.

  153. rickithebear says:

    You guys were resistant to HD theory.
    If you guys could not get simplified shot density.
    Why would I expect you to get the critical correction factor shot density chart.

    PuckIQ is a great database structure.
    Will automatically be 33% inaccurate with the exclusion of true ZS.
    But it lacks even the correct simplified data.

    What it really needs is the true shot density chart.

  154. Munny says:

    Let’s Go, Oilers!!

    *clap clap*

  155. Munny says:

    I’m still holding a grudge from 1986 when they ruined Steve Smith’s birthdays forever.

    Let’s kick some flaming ass!!

  156. rickithebear says:

    I enjoy watching the oilers games again.
    My daughter and I play We’re is Waldo.
    Go oilers!

  157. OriginalPouzar says:

    I don’t understand what any of that means but there is one thing I know for sure, it reeks of pretentiousness and condescension.

    Enjoy the game all.

    Go Oilers!

  158. Munny says:

    And fuck Mike Smith and the coyote he rode in on.

  159. Munny says:

    OriginalPouzar: condensation

    Too much singin in the rain?

    😉

  160. Munny says:

    Hard skating start but the Flames are playing a little more direct.

    Fight!!

  161. Munny says:

    Speaking of “condensation” — Be Pesky”.

    …Really?

  162. Munny says:

    Beauty one-two by Bear and Drai, but it goes wide.

  163. Pouzar says:

    I can’t over Lucic on any PP let alone PP1.

  164. Pretendergast says:

    Will read rest of genius thread later, right now I’ll enjoy JJ-Kass-Caggs killin their ES time early and Hrudey’s condescending tone all game. When was the last time the Flames beat us Kelly? Jackass

    GOilers! Clap Clap

  165. Munny says:

    That’s the Mike Smith I’m hoping for tonight… over-playing the puck.

  166. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    Like that shot by bear

  167. Pouzar says:

    Poor Khaira. Kassian has checked out and well the other guy…

  168. OmJo says:

    The BoA centred around McDavid and Draisaitl vs Gaudreau and Monahan is going to be a treat for the next decade.

  169. Pouzar says:

    Sweet play by Nuge there to McD…daayum

  170. Munny says:

    Oh, that was looking good. CMD thwarted though.

  171. Pretendergast says:

    OmJo:
    The BoA centred around McDavid and Draisaitl vs Gaudreau and Monahan is going to be a treat for the next decade.

    Ours are younger, and better! 🙂

  172. frjohnk says:

    rickithebear: Telling the guy who invented the HD theory and defined the true line in sand based on performance value.

    Quoting a sight that is ignorant to correct line in the sand is lying to hockey fans that want to correctly better themselves.

    As silly as using dangerous fenwick as the measure of HD performance.
    When it is 85% less accurate than the best option Corsi to shots.

    Natural (Not accurate) stat trick.

    Inaccurate and wrong is wrong.

    You got any other brutally inaccurate sites to visit other than stat trick or Puck IQ.

    Sorry LT!
    I will gladly point out a correct sight when it shows up.

    I now contact sites to inform them of thier failings based onmy 20+ theories.
    Last night I informed PJ tanner of the filings of his work.
    Provided him the base theories that could greatly improve the accuracy.
    I hope he accepts the guidance.

    You guys need to understand that HD shot analysis is a simplified shots density chart for the masses.
    Thier are a lot of correction factors of almost no value introduced to this system.
    The only correction factor needed is the exclusion of 0 % chance (closed) shots.
    Which makes a true shot density chart based solely on shots that have a chance of going in.

    So do you have a database? Have others seen the numbers? Any feedback from other people on these numbers?

    Your numbers you have sure look like war on ice numbers from a few years back. I have gotten numbers from Corsica and they are similar from war on ice.

    But both of them do not have high danger shots with Dmen on the ice at 13 or 14 like you have Nurse and Klefbom.

    It seems like you are including high danger AND medium danger shots together. Which a few years ago was considered the home plate. Or more specifically the “arrow” location. HT. Bruce McCurdy.

    If you are using medium and high danger shots against, then that would be how you are getting 13-14 for Klefbom/Nurse.

    You have the high and low danger shot %’s correct.
    I believe the medium danger shot shooting % is around 8%.

    From a few years ago I found

    the save percentage from the arrow is 87%
    the save percentage from the perimeter is 96.6%.
    I also found that 55% of all shots are from the arrow.
    League average shots per team per game from the arrow is 16.48
    League average perimeter shots per team per game is 13.38

    Id love to see your database.

  173. Munny says:

    Hrudey should maybe never use “average” in a sentence.

  174. Munny says:

    Seksy hasn’t been very sexy this year.

    Pools with a great chance!

  175. Wilde says:

    I’d love to see a stretch of 93-97-98

  176. Pouzar says:

    Kassian No Goal…all time leader.

  177. Munny says:

    Kass has had more goals taken away than any living human

  178. LMHF#1 says:

    On Ethan Bear:

    The good – working that opposition blue and solid slapper.

    The bad – Can’t cover left D when skating backwards.

  179. OmJo says:

    Here we go.

  180. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    Fuck here we go

  181. Munny says:

    That should have been a goal.

  182. OmJo says:

    Pretendergast: Ours are younger, and better!

    Yeah, it’s not really fair *cough* McDavid *cough* but those two can hold their own.

  183. Pouzar says:

    Lucic is making me physically ill.

  184. OmJo says:

    Wasn’t a more obvious goal like that (ie pushing goaltender into the net) allowed against us earlier this year? I don’t remember if it was waived off or not.

  185. OmJo says:

    Pouzar:
    Lucic is making me physically ill.

    He used to make players on the ice physically ill due to being terrified when he gets on the ice.

    Good to see he’s still got it.

  186. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    Bear takes some odd lines sometimes but I love his intuition with the puck.

  187. Munny says:

    Who did Nurse toss halfway across the DZone there?

  188. Munny says:

    Fast period, whew.

  189. Gerta Rauss says:

    I hate Mike Smith

  190. OmJo says:

    TMac already double shifting McDavid?

  191. Pouzar says:

    OmJo: TMac already double shifting McDavid?

    10 game win streak saves his job 😛

  192. OmJo says:

    Nashville is terrifying.

  193. hunter1909 says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    I hate Mike Smith

    Poor #13 for the Oilers. No longer able to skate quickly, this is a disadvantage when playing a “Roadrunner” style game – expect Chiarelli to offer him a 4 year contract @ $3.0 million per, with a 2 year NMC.

  194. Lowetide says:

    After One

    No. Score
    Shots 11-10 Edmonton
    Corsi for 5×5 18-16 Edmonton

  195. Munny says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    I hate Mike Smith

    I was expecting that 40 minutes ago lol.

  196. Gayfish says:

    Ricki is wrong. I have 30 theories, that you couldn’t possibly understand. I’m sure one day you will get the accurate data, and when you do, I will confirm it. Feel free to kneel before my superior intelligence.

  197. hunter1909 says:

    JP needs freedom to make mistakes – put him on the 4th line with Khaira.

    Try Khaira at 4th line centre. Play Lucic with the 4th line every game for 1 shift until he “gets it”.

    Balance the non McDavid lines, roll three strong ones evenly balanced.

    Flames don’t appear to be in the game, considering it’s their necks on the line.

  198. hunter1909 says:

    Fun game unless they lose.

  199. Pouzar says:

    hunter1909: Try Khaira at 4th line centre.

    Great idea.

  200. Munny says:

    Pouzar:
    Lucic is making me physically ill.

    Apparently Sativa is a great antiemetic.

    Not that I would know anything about that…

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