G70 2017-18: Sharks at Oilers

The Edmonton Oilers played a solid game in Calgary last night but fell short in a tight 1-0 affair. The Zack Kassian goal looked like it should have counted but in a season where the hockey Gods have given so little it’s hardly worth noting. Connor McDavid and Cam Talbot were this team’s best players and the wingers might want to wake the hell up because opportunities may not extend into the fall.

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HELPLESS, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • March 2016: 4-2-0, goal differential +1 (8 points)
  • March 2017: 4-1-1, goal differential +10 (9 points)
  • March 2018: 3-3-0, goal differential 0 (6 points)
  • March 12, 2016: Arizona 4, Edmonton 0 (Source)
  • March 18, 2017: Edmonton 2, Vancouver 0 (Source)

The Oilers get back at it against the Sharks tonight, a chance to grab another victory against a Pacific Division rival. My main thought on last night? This team needs wingers. Schnell!

AFTER 69, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers 15-16: 26-36-7, goal differential -45 (59 points)
  • Oilers 16-17: 36-24-9, goal differential +24 (81 points)
  • Oilers 17-18: 30-35-4, goal differential -32 (64 points)
  • March 10, 2016: Edmonton 2, Minnesota 1 (Source)
  • March 16, 2017: Edmonton 7, Boston 4 (Source)

When Connor McDavid is on the ice this team can look so very good, but it’s the rest of the group that gives it all back and more. Last night at 5×5, the team was 23-15 (60.53) Corsi for, without him on the ice Edmonton went 22-38, 36.7 percent. These numbers are seared into the minds of ownership, fans and coaching staff. We may never pass this way again, the club should be better next year. That said, Peter Chiarelli has boxed himself in something fierce.

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM MARCH

  • At home to: Nashville, NY Rangers, Arizona, NY Islanders, Minnesota (Expected 2-3-0) (Actual 3-2-0)
  • On the road to: Calgary (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • At home to: San Jose (Expected 0-0-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Florida, Tampa Bay, Carolina, Ottawa (Expected 1-2-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Los Angeles, Anaheim, Columbus (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Vancouver, Calgary (Expected 1-0-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 6-7-3, 15 points in 16 games
  • Current results: 3-3-0, 6 points in six games

My tracking of the Oilers is on pace for the month, I have a rough 10 days ahead before things get a little better toward month’s end. I thought the club played well last night and exposed the weaknesses of the team. Interested in your take.

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

  • Russell-Bear went 19-15 in 17:25 (that’s a lot of playing time), 11-2 with McDavid and 8-13 without him. Were 2-4 in HDSC’s, went 12-2 against Bennett-Backlund-Frolik (again, because of McDavid and some hard matching by Calgary). It was a tight game, this pairing played a lot and survived. Continue to be impressed by Bear, although he got walked by Backlund early.
  • Sekera-Benning were 10-14 in 10:36, this is a very small time on ice total for Sekera. He’s working his way back but lacks the consistency and flair we’ve come to know. Hopefully he has it back in the fall. Were 8-3 against Brouwer-Shore-Hathaway.
  • Nurse-Larsson forgot about the back door and that was enough in a one-goal game. Went 11-17 in 14:39, just 7-9 with McDavid. Went 6-7 against the Bennett-Backlund-Frolik trio.
  • Cam Talbot stopped 31 of 32, .969. He is showing very well down the stretch.
  • Natural Stat Trick and NHL.com.

FORWARDS, LAST NIGHT

  • Nuge-McDavid-Aberg went 18-10 (RNH) and 11-7 (Aberg). HDSC’s were 5-1 and it’s a crying shame the line didn’t cash because it was earned. My goodness McDavid is fabulous. The Aberg experiment may not lost much longer. Just saying. McDavid was 17-10 against the Bennett-Backlund-Frolik line, who were key on the evening.
  • Lucic-Draisaitl-Cammalleri were 9-13 (Lucic) and 4-11 (Cammalleri). This line was the culprit on the GA, but were also not terribly inspired throughout the game. Leon is a wonderful player, that wasn’t a strong game from him (faceoffs aside). He didn’t have a separation gear. Line went 6-13 against the Gaudreau-Monahan-Ferland line, had no answer.
  • Caggiula-Khaira-Kassian went 6-12 (Caggiula) and 4-10 (Kassian). Kassian scored, that should have been a counter, Caggiula took a silly penalty and was generally unimpressive.
  • Slepyshev-Strome-Puljujarvi were 7-10 in 5:49, this line got the shiv when it came time to tighten the bench. I don’t agree with that call, like at all. JP played pretty well by my eye, Slepys was quieter but had one great look. Oilers need to play these kids.

Lucic was never a strong 5×4 player, although last year he spiked to 7.15 5×4 per 60 scoring. Lucic, at his best, was over 2.00/60 at 5×5 and he managed it six times before arriving in Edmonton. People talk about the fact his wheels won’t turn but the big concern for me is the number of passes he doesn’t grab, or possibly see. What the hell is going on here?

The move with Aberg is as 4R, allowing Edmonton to trade Zack Kassian and save $1.3 million toward the cap. It’s time to remove him from the McDavid line and run Puljujarvi or Slepyshev.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A busy show, with a fluid guest list. Scheduled to appear, TSN1260 beginning at 10:

  • Bruce McCurdy, Cult of Hockey. McCurdy’s take on last night’s game and looking forward to his evening.
  • Andy McNamara, TSN4Downs. Eagles are signing people but have no money, what gives? Plus, Patrioits are bleeding! Huzzah!
  • Dan Rusanowsky, Sharks play-by-play. San Jose is in a good spot but have to keep on winning. We’ll talk about the key players for the Sharks stretch run.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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  1. who says:

    It was only 1 game, and it may be a deployment issue, but right now this team is struggling to find enoigh wingers to ice 1 scoring line, nevermind 2. You can’t even see unicorns from here.
    Looks to me like this team needs 2 top 6 wingers for next year. We have plenty of canidates but so far they all look like bottom sixers to me.
    How does this team acquire some quality wingers with little cap space and very few tradeable assets?

  2. ArmchairGM says:

    Draisaitl plays best with speed – I think the last few games have proved this without a doubt. Therefore, the line combo above is a mistake by McLellan. Personally I’d like to see Slepyshev on his left and either Kassian or Puljujarvi on his right for the remainder of the year. Based on HC’s preference for “pairs”, would this work?

    Nugent-Hopkins – McDavid – Cammalleri
    Slepyshev – Draisaitl – Kassian
    Lucic – Strome – Puljujarvi
    Aberg – Khaira – Pakarinen / Caggiula

    Maybe WG or someone else smarter than me could come up with WOWY’s to see if there’s any justification for these lines.

  3. frjohnk says:

    Is Aberg a poor mans Caggs?

    I think McDavid should be MVP again. Without him, Oilers are probably battling Yotes for 31st overall.

    I know that Lucic has 0 points in 2 months on the PP and many are wondering why he is on the 1PP and last minute on the ice, but if one looks at who is on the bench,and it’s no screaming hell. Maybe Khaira, but there just isn’t someone who sticks out.

  4. Psyche says:

    Listening to Dustin, Eric, and Ryan discuss Lucic on the PP 1st unit as LT cited above. It’s curious to see the coaches roll him out there with the lack of results. Instead of fixing one problem (finding the right player for that roll on PP1) they create two or more. Tunnel vision has set in and blind spots are being created on a weekly basis.

    On even strength I saw the Oilers good last night (based on my current expectations of the group). The Flames had spurts but owe the win mostly to Smith’s brilliance in net. For having a high profile top 4 on D there wasn’t much that stood out.

    I really enjoy Nuge and McDavid on the same line. Both are high IQ players who can skate well and possess above average puck control. Give Sleppy some games with them on the right side. I’d run Puljujarvi on Draisaitl’s right side for the next stretch. My preference is Cammy instead of Lucic on his left side, but we know that won’t happen. Strome with JJ and Pontus for the 3rd, could be a good buzz line on the forecheck. Kassian, Caggiula, and Cammy can play 5 min a night on the 4th line. Double shift McDavid at C once in awhile with them.

  5. ArmchairGM says:

    frjohnk:
    Is Aberg a poor mans Caggs?

    I think McDavid should be MVP again. Without him, Oilers are probably battling Yotes for 31st overall.

    I know that Lucic has 0 points in 2 months on the PP and many are wondering why he is on the 1PP and last minute on the ice, but if one looks at who is on the bench,and it’s no screaming hell. Maybe Khaira, but there just isn’t someone who sticks out.

    The net-front presence on the PP needs to be big, strong and have great hand-eye coordination to tip shots. Lucic has 2 of the 3. Khaira (or even Nurse – how’s that for thinking outside the box?) would absolutely be a better fit.

  6. €√¥£€^$ says:

    Ugh, Cammalleri on the 1st line? Aberg a poor man’s Cagguila, what? Aberg>Cagguila

    RNH-97-JP
    27(because I dont see any other choice)-29-Slepy
    13-18-46
    Malone-16-44

    25-6
    2-4 (wincing as I write, need LESS Cowboy)
    81 (free OV2)-74

  7. who says:

    ArmchairGM:
    Draisaitl plays best with speed – I think the last few games have proved this without a doubt. Therefore, the line combo above is a mistake by McLellan. Personally I’d like to see Slepyshev on his left and either Kassian or Puljujarvi on his right for the remainder of the year. Based on HC’s preference for “pairs”, would this work?

    Nugent-Hopkins – McDavid – Cammalleri
    Slepyshev – Draisaitl – Kassian
    Lucic – Strome – Puljujarvi
    Aberg – Khaira – Pakarinen / Caggiula

    Maybe WG or someone else smarter than me could come up with WOWY’s to see if there’s any justification for these lines.

    I would flip Slepeshev and Cammaleri.
    Cammaleri is a much better player on the left side. He just looks a lot more comfortable there to me. It amazes me that the coaching staff doesn’t see this.
    I think Kharia looks real solid as a 4C but this team should probably be looking for a different 4C in the summer. Kharia probably needs to be playing higher up the lineup on the wing.

  8. €√¥£€^$ says:

    Psyche,

    I don’t disagree

  9. Oilman99 says:

    Kassian needs to remember his duty, McD gets cheap shotted after getting high sticked, then Nuge gets the same in the corner in the same sequence, and Kassian who was on the ice did nothing. The season is lost,so at least send a message to the Flickers that they can’t take liberties with our stars for next year. At 8.5k Drai has to start bringing it every game,not enough hustle for a guy getting that kind of bucks. There are too many games where he doesn’t seem give a crap unless he’s playing with McD. Why this late in the season does the defence still have same brain farts in our net leaving guys wide open.

  10. elgruntus says:

    One more time…..Looch, Drai and Sleppy worked last spring, so… let’s not make that mistake again
    Because Oilers

  11. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    elgruntus:
    One more time…..Looch, Drai and Sleppy worked last spring, so… let’s not make that mistake again
    Because Oilers

    Coaches deployment is baffling.

  12. VanIsleOil says:

    The most disappointing part of last nights game was watching McDavid getting mugged several times with absolutely no response from anyone. This is most dynamic player on the planet and we would be in last place without him. Yet time after time this year no retribution after McDavid takes a dirty hit.

    Last night Kassian just casually skated towards the scrum after Conner gets high sticked and then takes a late hit. WTF are we paying Kassian for? What message does that send to Calgary moving forward. Protect your star!!

    After another questionable hit on McDavid last night, Lucic does absolutely nothing. I thought he was brought in in part to keep the peace on the ice and not let other teams take liberties with McDavid or any other Oiler.

    Watching the Calgary feed last night and during the intermission, the crew remarked how they couldn’t believe there was no response to the muggings. Teams know there are no consequences. We are out of the playoffs and still Kass and Looch do nothing to protect Connor!!

    This team is in disarray, no one stands up for each other anymore, it has become difficult to watch

  13. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    When Connor McDavid is on the ice this team can look so very good, but it’s the rest of the group that gives it all back and more.

    Yessir.

    To that end:

    -EDM’s overall 5v5 Goal Share overall is 47.8%
    -Its 57.3% when McDavid is on the ice.
    -Its 41.6% when McDavid is not on the ice.
    -Here are all the Forwards’ 5v5 GF% when not with McDavid:

    All data from naturalstattrick.com

    Player GF% Without McDavid
    Iiro Pakarinen 60.0
    Patrick Maroon 53.9
    Pontus Aberg 50.0
    Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 46.9
    Ryan Strome 46.4
    Jujhar Khaira 44.2
    Jesse Puljujarvi 43.8
    Leon Draisaitl 42.9
    Milan Lucic 42.6
    Anton Slepyshev 40.0
    Zack Kassian 37.2
    Mike Cammalleri 35.1
    Drake Caggiula 33.3
    Mark Letestu 32.5
    Kailer Yamamoto 0.0

    Here are all the Dmen’s 5v5 GF% when not with McDavid
    Zeros mean that EDM has not scored with the player on the ice away from McDavid 5v5.

    GF% Without McDavid
    Yohann Auvitu 55.6
    Eric Gryba 47.6
    Darnell Nurse 47.1
    Matthew Benning 46.7
    Kris Russell 41.5
    Adam Larsson 40.0
    Brandon Davidson 37.5
    Oscar Klefbom 33.3
    Andrej Sekera 0.0
    Ethan Bear 0.0

    I am of the opinion that the lack of Actual Top 4 Dmen is the biggest culprit this year. Lack of forwards who know how to score (either shoot or clean up garbage) is 2nd. Talbot is probably 3rd. There are others, but its the main one.

    Last year 77,6, 2 all were “Actual Top 4”,Benning did a very good job in his rookie year, and Russell rode the PDO pony (with Sekera) to glory. So they have 3 + 2 *almosts*

    This year 77 and 6 were never right after a week or so, no 2, 4’s PDO magic didn’t reappear, 83 started slow and *just* got back to where he was last year and 25 took a huge leap forward.

    So ~ 1-ish Top 4 guys by results all year.

    I firmly belive 77 and 6 can come back to form although 77 seems plagued. I’m not sure is ever 2 again, we’ll have to see, 4 isn’t an Actual Top 4 guy, but an ok 4/5 with the right partner and *maybe* Benning progress next year.

    Like a rising tide raises all boats, a lack of Top 4 Dmen makes all boats sink.

    Even 97 was 5% GF better last year……

    That said, there are some really expensive names below the 45% “replacement level cut off”

    Fire South Edmonton Common.

    GOILERS!!

    *clap,clap*

    All that being said, there are some very highly paid names

  14. ArmchairGM says:

    who: I would flip Slepeshev and Cammaleri.
    Cammaleri is a much better player on the left side. He just looks a lot more comfortable there to me. It amazes me that the coaching staff doesn’t see this.

    The trouble is, I see Slepyshev much more comfortable on the left side. It’s the only place he’s had any success in his career. I hate how this coach plays guys out of position and then blames the player for lack of results.

    Here’s a thought: ever notice how McDavid likes to swoop back into the d zone, take a pass on his forehand as he’s turning left and then race up the right boards with the puck? Why not play him on RW while Nuge covers C? Then you can have both Cammalleri and Slepyshev on the left side.

  15. vinotintazo says:

    Tight game yesterday, where Smith stole it for them. The nuge, and strome save were the difference.

    Talbot was great.
    McDavid a nightmare for the flames.

    I don’t get the complains on Kassian, he was involved just didn’t go ape shit down by 1 goal and didn’t want to negate the PP.

    Lucic on the PP (Net front) is ok, the problem is he’s not doing it well, but we have no one better with Maroon gone.

    We had a few 2 on 1s just could not finish.

  16. Dicky94 says:

    Oilman99,

    This is what happens when you get too comfortable. Oilers should have signed him to another 1 year contract. He has nothing to play for now and is starting to play like he did a few years ago. Just coasting around. As for Lucic, it is time to bench him for a couple games. I think you give him another year to see if he can get it together and if he doesn’t, this could get really ugly.

  17. who says:

    ArmchairGM: The trouble is, I see Slepyshev much more comfortable on the left side. It’s the only place he’s had any success in his career. I hate how this coach plays guys out of position and then blames the player for lack of results.

    Here’s a thought: ever notice how McDavid likes to swoop back into the d zone, take a pass on his forehand as he’s turning left and then race up the right boards with the puck? Why not play him on RW while Nuge covers C? Then you can have both Cammalleri and Slepyshev on the left side.

    I guess I don’t see Slepeshev uncomfortable on the right side, although I understand he played left wing in Russia.
    Makes Tmacs deployment of the third line even more questionable when he has both wingers playing out of position.

  18. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    elgruntus:
    One more time…..Looch, Drai and Sleppy worked last spring, so… let’s not make that mistake again
    Because Oilers

    That trio has played exactly 10:46 together this year.

    Got scored on twice with no goals for so that might be the reason McLellan didn’t go back to it. His deployment is easy to figure out when you look at goal metrics.

    Also,

    Here is that trio’s results during the playoffs last year:

    TOI 31:40
    GF 3
    GA 2
    GF% 60.0%

    CF 24
    CA 47
    CF% 33.8%

    SCF 10
    SCA 26
    SCF% 27.8%

    SH% 27.3%
    SV% .933
    PDO 1206

    I wouldn’t say that this trio “worked” in the spring.

    I’d say they got seriously outplayed but the puck went in enough to hide that fact.

  19. JimmyV1965 says:

    I would absolutely try JJ on the first line. He played one shift there last night and looked great. Made a beauty little bank pass off the boards to send McDavid into the ozone and looked dangerous. Thanks

  20. Pouzar says:

    1. The Millard tweet is just another of the many indictments against TMc. Fire him to the sun.

    2. G is right on Aberg. Manage expectations here. If he plays 4th line its a win. We need more of him and less of some others.

  21. JimmyV1965 says:

    Oilman99:
    Kassian needs to remember his duty, McD gets cheap shotted after getting high sticked, then Nuge gets the same in the corner in the same sequence, and Kassian who was on the ice did nothing. The season is lost,so at least send a message to the Flickers that they can’t take liberties with our stars for next year. At 8.5k Drai has to start bringing it every game,not enough hustle for a guy getting that kind of bucks. There are too many games where he doesn’t seem give a crap unless he’s playing with McD. Why this late in the season does the defence still have same brain farts in our net leaving guys wide open.

    At least part of Drai’s poor performance is related to his linemates. Lucic and Cammy are truly boat anchors.

  22. Pouzar says:

    frjohnk: Is Aberg a poor mans Caggs?

    In 7 games he’s at +5.4 CF% rel.

    Not too shabby in a SSS.

    Fire Caggs to the sun.

  23. OilClog says:

    They really need to inform Lucic he’s injured and needs to go bike it out with Andrew. Since they won’t top 6 ice and pp time should of came to an end months ago, since it won’t let’s ask Leon to just skate faster, better chance he might.

    Is Jesse driving his own line yet? the coach made it real clear to everyone including us that Jesse doesn’t get Connor time any more unless he can drive his own line from the left wing like that Taylor fella.

    Fire the fire that doesn’t seem to be firing!

  24. Death By Misadventure says:

    If you want to know about the ineptitude of the Oilers powerplay this year, I came across this stat yesterday:

    Until March 1 when he scored his 4th PP goal of the season, Leon had the same amount of PP goals as he had shorthanded goals. 3 each.

  25. Death By Misadventure says:

    Death By Misadventure:
    If you want to know about the ineptitude of the Oilers powerplay this year, I came across this stat yesterday:

    Until March 1 when he scored his 4th PP goal of the season, Leon had the same amount of PP goals as he had shorthanded goals. 3 each.

    The crazy thing is that the Oilers PP is actually the good part of their special teams. Oi.

  26. oilersfan says:

    When the oilers played the rangers did Glen sather really go on after hours and say that the oilers need to stop playing mcdavid with lucic because he is a fourth line winger?

  27. Dicky94 says:

    Pouzar,

    Ya I would take him over Cags any day. He can make and take a pass and his shots hit the net. They should keep him.

  28. OilClog says:

    Lucic does not play the pp like Smyth did, the man in Lucic’s PP spot can easily be anyone with better handles, so literally Pouzar could play Lucic’s PP role and have as much success.

    If they’re not going to put Jesse in the Eberle hole, put him in the Lucic hole, see what’s happens. Wacky inflatable arm man that comes of age and scores Finnish goals?

  29. jtblack says:

    I still go back to coaching. I saw numerous breakouts that consisted of this earth shattering strategy.

    Dmen hold puck while standing still.
    Sometimes send Grenades back and forth to one another.
    Wait for Centermen to jump off bench and wind up behind them.
    The whole arena can this “unfolding”.
    Give puck to Drai or Connor who have no options but to try and beat the entire team. Connor can do this regularily becuase he is Connor. Drai canmot do this.

    The strategy is brutal. Its Minor hockey esque: “Hey best player, heres the puck, now go end to end”

    Fire the coaching staff.

  30. anjinsan says:

    Lucic’s contract is structured as his retirement account. Another incompetence on Chiarelli’s part to not read that that was going on during negotiations. Lucic and agent saw the sun setting and locked in the golden parachute. Imagine — you can’t even waive Lucic. Whose damn assets is Chiarelli looking after!!

  31. Pouzar says:

    Dicky94:
    Pouzar,

    Ya I would take him over Cags any day. He can make and take a pass and his shots hit the net.They should keep him.

    I harp on guys like Caggs and Pak a lot b/c these should be easy fixes for next year.
    These guys are AHL tweeners and replacement level players shouldn’t be a big deal to find.

  32. Death By Misadventure says:

    OilClog,

    I’m waiting for the end of season announcement that Lucic was playing with a nasty injury all year and dispite his decrepit performance, he is actually a warrior. My brain will tell me this is all just Oiler spin, but my heart will wish it was all true and that Looch is not in fact completely washed up at age 30 with 5 years and $6m against the cap.

    I pray this to be true… But won’t hold my breath either.

  33. Pouzar says:

    Death By Misadventure: I’m waiting for the end of season announcement that Lucic was playing with a nasty injury all year and dispite his decrepit performance, he is actually a warrior.

    I was thinking about this last night. It’s my only salvation.

  34. frjohnk says:

    Pouzar: In 7 games he’s at +5.4 CF% rel.

    Not too shabby in a SSS.

    Fire Caggs to the sun.

    I think both are tweeners.

    Caggs has scored better at the NHL level.

    Want to see more of Aberg but if both these guys are making 600k each and are on 4th line next year.
    Could be worse.

    Funny they both get a push with McDavid but just are not even close to good enough while Sleppy would seem to be a better fit, barely gets a push.

  35. Pouzar says:

    frjohnk: I think both are tweeners.

    Caggs has scored better at the NHL level.

    Want to see more of Aberg but if both these guys are making 600k each and are on 4th line next year.
    Could be worse.

    Funny they both get a push with McDavid but just are not even close to good enough while Sleppy would seem to be a better fit, barely gets a push.

    I think Slepy isn’t getting a push now b/c he is gonzo.

  36. Dicky94 says:

    Death By Misadventure,

    Like Cataracts or something. Easy fix.

  37. JimmyV1965 says:

    jtblack:
    I still go back to coaching. I saw numerous breakouts that consisted of this earth shattering strategy.

    Dmen hold puck while standing still.
    Sometimes send Grenades back and forth to one another.
    Wait for Centermen to jump off bench and wind up behind them.
    The whole arena can this “unfolding”.
    Give puck to Drai or Connor who have no options but to try and beat the entire team.Connor can do this regularily becuase he is Connor.Drai canmot do this.

    The strategy is brutal.Its Minor hockey esque: “Hey best player, heres the puck, now go end to end”

    Fire the coaching staff.

    I really find it hard to believe this is a coaching strategy. It’s a reflection of our dmen’s inability to make breakout pass.

  38. russ99 says:

    Pouzar: I think Slepy isn’t getting a push now b/c he is gonzo.

    Every NHL team has whiteboards of future rosters and cap hits.

    With 13 games left, I’d think they’ve made decisions on the RFAs and no push with McDavid would matter.

  39. JimmyV1965 says:

    Pouzar: I think Slepy isn’t getting a push now b/c he is gonzo.

    I think Schleppy was invisible last night. The other bums on the first and second lines might not deserve to be there, but Schleppy ain’t pushing the issue.

  40. russ99 says:

    JimmyV1965: I really find it hard to believe this is a coaching strategy.It’s a reflection of our dmen’s inability to make breakout pass.

    I’d think it’s just as big a problem that our forwards aren’t in places to receive the puck and advance cleanly. Either too far up or too far back. Since early in the season, teams have had video of our breakout difficulty, you’d think we’d have found a way to beat the exit area trap by now.

    Some of our better breakouts during this time have been forwards staying in our zone and getting in open spaces for passes. Player and puck movement creates space, not jumping forward as soon as we have possession and leaving the D hanging with no place to pass that’s safe.

    But I guess this is one of the many ways we don’t play as a 5 man unit.

    The two line stretch pass from the D to launch the cherry picking forward doesn’t happen very often in today’s NHL, and McDavid’s best rushes are when he can build up speed in out zone crossing our blue line.

  41. frjohnk says:

    Since Christmas, which is over 40% of the season. Lucic has a 0.65 pts/60.

    Maybe the Oilers should play him with McDavid or Draisaitl.

  42. Fgary says:

    This coach should be fired just based on the disappointment of this season…if there is any doubt or hesitation his deployment of players should be the nail in the coffin.

  43. hunter1909 says:

    LOL at everything.

  44. dustrock says:

    I’ve been trying to defend McLellan this year but at this point, I honestly think some of what he’s saying and his decisions are straight up trolling Chiarelli.

    Aberg on the 1st line? Sure, try it for a period. Maybe a game. Now, is this trolling Chia because he used to be able to play Maroon there?

    Looch on the PP, Looch on the ice in the last 2 minutes when we need a goal.

    Klefbom and Larsson apparently never ever getting to play together again.

    Draisaitl stuck with Looch and Camo Larry. Made sense to pump and dumo Camo Larry, but no takers at the draft, he should be benched or doing 4th line duty.

  45. dustrock says:

    Looking ahead to the draft, where do you guys see the following d-men:

    Ty Smith
    Hughes
    Bouchard
    Dobson
    Wilde

    I’ve seen people high on all these guys for different reasons, but I’m not sure I can find a real hard target for the Oilers, they frankly could use ANY of them.

    I roughly have it as: Smith & Hughes being the better skaters, and LHD shots. Fancy stats have them as scoring chance and entry machines.

    Bouchard and Dobson have more size and probably more shot, and have the RHD advantage.

    Wilde I don’t know too much about and I’ve seen him all over the place in the top 20.

    Anyone have a favorite?

  46. McSorley33 says:

    dustrock,

    Yes. My first is Boqvist.

    But if he is selected ahead of our pick – Bouchard.

    Seen a couple of quotes from the Hunter brothers about Bouchard. Those guys have seen some talent come through their town in the last few years.

    We need a RHD. Full Stop.

  47. Bling says:

    frjohnk:
    Since Christmas, which is over 40% of the season. Lucic has a 0.65 pts/60.

    Maybe the Oilers should play him with McDavid or Draisaitl.

    I see what you did there.

  48. Craig Zonit says:

    All I ask for tonight is some of that sweet, sweet ELPH.

    Something like a JP goal, 3 points for our Art Ross rocket boot Captain, and a 5-4 game (that goes either way).

    So I’ll probably bear witness to the second of a double shutout, hockey-defying Oiler forward lines, and more smug Pavelski than I can handle.

    Well, a man can dream. g’oh Oilers.

  49. geowal says:

    Couple observations:
    -Ethan Bear sure seems to have some loyal supporters. Saw 2 Oiler Bear jerseys in the stands (on the road) already, he could be quite the story going forward.
    -Leon really didn’t seem to have it
    -Lucic does have these rare bursts of speed where he’s more than fast enough to contribute with a non McDavod centre. I think his conditioning is poor, or he’s just lazy the rest of the time.
    -Flames fans sure are envious/in awe of McDavid. Despite this, they actually have a perception that he “gets calls” from the refs, when it’s anything but. Oh how quickly they forget the Gaudreau slashes.

  50. McSorley33 says:

    frjohnk,

    Since Christmas, which is over 40% of the season. Lucic has a 0.65 pts/60.

    Maybe the Oilers should play him with McDavid or Draisaitl.
    ********************************************************************************
    You must be mistaken.

    He was 4th in EV TOI last night….

    And if my sorting is right Looch is 3rd on TOI for forwards!!

    Todd – you can’t be serious?

    Edit: * Never doubt my ability to make mistakes . I was wrong. Looch is 4th on EV TOI behind Maroon

  51. sliderule says:

    I don’t see Tmac trolling Chiarelli.

    I would think they have agreed that they have to find out what they have in Aberg and Bear.

    Can Aberg play in top six and can Bear defend enough to run the power play

    So far Aberg is a fail and Bear shows promise

    Meanwhile they have agreed to slow play JP and Strome as they have to negotiate new contracts with them

    I don’t expect JP to get a push in case he goes off and costs them cap that they won’t have

  52. geowal says:

    JimmyV1965: I think Schleppy was invisible last night. The other bums on the first and second lines might not deserve to be there, but Schleppy ain’t pushing the issue.

    Agreed.

  53. JimmyV1965 says:

    russ99: I’d think it’s just as big a problem that our forwards aren’t in places to receive the puck and advance cleanly. Either too far up or too far back. Since early in the season, teams have had video of our breakout difficulty, you’d think we’d have found a way to beat the exit area trap by now.

    Some of our better breakouts during this time have been forwards staying in our zone and getting in open spaces for passes. Player and puck movement creates space, not jumping forward as soon as we have possession and leaving the D hanging with no place to pass that’s safe.

    But I guess this is one of the many ways we don’t play as a 5 man unit.

    The two line stretch pass from the D to launch the cherry picking forward doesn’t happen very often in today’s NHL, and McDavid’s best rushes are when he can build up speed in out zone crossing our blue line.

    I think teams know if they pressure our dmen they will cough up the puck. There’s zero fear of losing position by being too aggressive. Our wingers are generally on the half wall waiting for a pass. Maybe the wingers should be more supportive down low, but this is pretty standard procedure. We have the most success when the dmen get it to our Cs down low and they either skate it out or pass to the wingers, who begin to break out once the C gains possession.

    I’m sure our forwards could be more supportive in the dzone, and maybe this is a coaching issue, but our dmen make way too many errant passes to pin this on forwards being in the wrong position.

    I’m not talking stretch passes because we don’t have a single dman capable of doing that right now. I’m talking passes from the corner to the forwards on the half wall.

    One sequence last night stands out. I know I’m exaggerating here, but Russel must have tried passing to a forward in the dzone five times and missed every time. Somehow we managed to regain possession every time. He kept trying, but kept failing to get it to a forward. Finally, he ended up passing it to a Flame. In another sequence, Benning was just inside our blueline and tried passing to a forward just outside the Flames blueline. With zero pressure he passed it right to a Flame. We see this stuff repeatedly every game.

  54. Professor Q says:

    McSorley33:
    dustrock,

    Yes. My first is Boqvist.

    But if he is selected ahead of our pick – Bouchard.

    Seen a couple of quotes from the Hunter brothers about Bouchard. Those guys have seen some talent come through their town in the last few years.

    We need a RHD. Full Stop.

    From what I see of Bouchard, he could definitely be a nice pick-up, from where Edmonton might look to have the pick.

    Though hopefully everyone here doesn’t get annoyed at me and my comments pushing him. Sorry in advance for all that…

    I think he’s smooth and talented. Could benefit from playing out his CHP eligibility and then 1-2 AHL years, though. Well, so could most players.

    And the good thing is, is that he’s more than just a RHD. Willing and able to play all situations.

    Can take Orr/Hall/McDavid/Karlsson runs, plays the LD a lot, has an Ovechkin rover side, and controls the game. If his game can transition to tougher competition in the AHL and NHL then he’ll be quite the player. But even with my biased eyes I am not blind to faults etc. He still needs “seasoning”, to use a cliché.

  55. JimmyV1965 says:

    dustrock:
    Looking ahead to the draft, where do you guys see the following d-men:

    Ty Smith
    Hughes
    Bouchard
    Dobson
    Wilde

    I’ve seen people high on all these guys for different reasons, but I’m not sure I can find a real hard target for the Oilers, they frankly could use ANY of them.

    I roughly have it as: Smith & Hughes being the better skaters, and LHD shots.Fancy stats have them as scoring chance and entry machines.

    Bouchard and Dobson have more size and probably more shot, and have the RHD advantage.

    Wilde I don’t know too much about and I’ve seen him all over the place in the top 20.

    Anyone have a favorite?

    I’ve been beating this drum for awhile now. Trade down in the draft and take the guy available.

  56. JustWatt says:

    Got into a disagreement with Wheat’N’Oil on twitter after the game. Nothing heated but he was defending the Lucic choice in the last 2 minutes by saying he looked down the bench and couldn’t see a better choice. Lucic’s numbers have already been posted here, they’re atrocious. On the CoH podcast Bruce noted that the hightest scoring winger on the team since Christmas is Puljujarvi.

    With 4 goals.

    4

    So yeah PJ should have been on the ice for the last PP over Lucic but that’s unfathomable. How can a team have absolutely no scoring from its wings? Like, literally none.

    I’m with Pouzar: McLellan is holding this team back substantially. Like trying to drive a car with the E-brake on. #fireMcLellan

    Chiarelli is responsible for this roster, with the worst PP, PK, and lowest scoring wingers in the league. #fireChiarelli

  57. JustWatt says:

    sliderule,

    I know JP can be resigned after July 1 but his contract isn’t up until after next season. Why would he sign a contract early when he hasn’t played what is likely to be his most productive year?

    And if I’m right (I don’t know that I am, honestly) then how does playing him on the 3rd line and preventing him from grabbing some scoring totals right now have any real impact on his next contract which will be largely based on next season’s performance?

    I think it’s more likely that they are trying to leave him some consistent line mates, or at least center, to help with his development. And not playing the most important winger in the org over his head and ruining his confidence. Maybe both. But now that I’ve said something nice about the coaching and management while defending them I feel dirty.

  58. godot10 says:

    vinotintazo:
    .

    I don’t get the complains on Kassian, he was involved just didn’t go ape shit down by 1 goal and didn’t want to negate the PP.

    **NEWSFLASH** The Oilers are not in a playoff position or contending for a playoff spot. Winning is not particularly important now. Making statements about protecting the “franchise” is.

    vinotintazo:
    Lucic on the PP (Net front) is ok, the problem is he’s not doing it well, but we have no one better with Maroon gone.

    Jesse Puljujarvi, plus he can actually make a play down there.

    Again **NEWSFLASH** The Oilers are not in a playoff spot. This is important development type for Puljujarvi.

  59. Andy Dufresne says:

    who:
    It was only 1 game, and it may be a deployment issue, but right now this team is struggling to find enoigh wingers to ice 1 scoring line, nevermind 2. You can’t even see unicorns from here.
    Looks to me like this team needs 2 top 6 wingers for next year. We have plenty of canidates but so far they all look like bottom sixers to me.
    How does this team acquire some quality wingers with little cap space and very few tradeable assets?

    This team is loaded with tradable assets.

  60. Oilman99 says:

    who,

    Over pay = under play!!!

  61. Andy Dufresne says:

    frjohnk:
    Is Aberg a poor mans Caggs?

    I think McDavid should be MVP again. Without him, Oilers are probably battling Yotes for 31st overall.

    I know that Lucic has 0 points in 2 months on the PP and many are wondering why he is on the 1PP and last minute on the ice, but if one looks at who is on the bench,and it’s no screaming hell. Maybe Khaira, but there just isn’t someone who sticks out.

    Replacement level players. You buy 3 and hope one turns out. Key is not to pay them above league minimum until they prove themselves.

    Khaira, Caggs, Benning, Aberg, Sleppy, Pak, Auvitu…….2 for 6 so far…..right on track….

  62. godot10 says:

    JimmyV1965: At least part of Drai’s poor performance is related to his linemates. Lucic and Cammy are truly boat anchors.

    At least? Most of Draisaitl’s problem are the two wingers who can’t skate being stapled to his wings.

    Lucic at his best in Boston was only a soft minutes 2nd line winger. He has to be moved to the bottom six to salvage whatever hockey value he might have left. One is only dragging down other players by playing him in the top 6.

    It also undermines any message of accountability for ones level of play.

  63. Andy Dufresne says:

    who: I would flip Slepeshev and Cammaleri.
    Cammaleri is a much better player on the left side. He just looks a lot more comfortable there to me. It amazes me that the coaching staff doesn’t see this.
    I think Kharia looks real solid as a 4C but this team should probably be looking for a different 4C in the summer. Kharia probably needs to be playing higher up the lineup on the wing.

    Deck chiars…..something something…..shuffling…something something…

  64. JustWatt says:

    Andy Dufresne: This team is loaded with tradable assets.

    Well, assets you trade if you can. Doesn’t necessarily mean they’re tradable.

  65. JustWatt says:

    godot10: At least?Most of Draisaitl’s problem are the two wingers who can’t skate being stapled to his wings.

    Staples called Drai’s line the Hindenberg Line. Because it was a beautiful, flying German machine with no wings. I laughed, it was damn clever.

  66. Oilman99 says:

    Pouzar: I was thinking about this last night. It’s my only salvation.

    Dream on boys what you sees is what you gets for five more years.

  67. Pink Socks says:

    Kassian should have gone ape shit after McDavid was mugged. Then, Lucic should have gone ape shit after McDavid was mugged. Would Khaira have gone in and done something if he was on the ice? The past suggests that he would be more than willing. It’s either an unwillingness to do it, or they are being coached not to; however Kassian has that psycho level so I am convinced he has been told to keep his powder dry. When Kassian was on the ice, forget the upcoming PP, and it probably would have been better in the long run if he had taken an extra 2 minutes because the Oilers 4v4>5v4 as sad as it is.

    In the third when McDavid was mugged and Smith got into the altercation, I would not have been disappointed to see Lucic just drop him. But alas he coasts in. Sekera was more involved in the scrum FFS.

    I don’t say this because I am an inbred fight desiring rager with air between the ears, there is always a time and a place. It’s not like the Oil have the #1 PP in the league and are fighting for a playoff spot. Defend the best player in the league, especially in a lost season.

  68. Andy Dufresne says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    When Connor McDavid is on the ice this team can look so very good, but it’s the rest of the group that gives it all back and more.

    Yessir.

    To that end:

    -EDM’s overall 5v5 Goal Share overall is 47.8%
    -Its 57.3% when McDavid is on the ice.
    -Its 41.6% when McDavid is not on the ice.
    -Here are all the Forwards’ 5v5 GF% when not with McDavid:

    All data from naturalstattrick.com

    PlayerGF% Without McDavid
    Iiro Pakarinen60.0
    Patrick Maroon53.9
    Pontus Aberg50.0
    Ryan Nugent-Hopkins46.9
    Ryan Strome46.4
    Jujhar Khaira44.2
    Jesse Puljujarvi43.8
    Leon Draisaitl42.9
    Milan Lucic42.6
    Anton Slepyshev40.0
    Zack Kassian37.2
    Mike Cammalleri35.1
    Drake Caggiula33.3
    Mark Letestu32.5
    Kailer Yamamoto0.0

    Here are all the Dmen’s 5v5 GF% when not with McDavid
    Zeros mean that EDM has not scored with the player on the ice away from McDavid 5v5.

    GF% Without McDavid
    Yohann Auvitu55.6
    Eric Gryba47.6
    Darnell Nurse47.1
    Matthew Benning46.7
    Kris Russell41.5
    Adam Larsson40.0
    Brandon Davidson37.5
    Oscar Klefbom33.3
    Andrej Sekera0.0
    Ethan Bear0.0

    I am of the opinion that the lack of Actual Top 4 Dmen is the biggest culprit this year.Lack of forwards who know how to score (either shoot or clean up garbage) is 2nd.Talbot is probably 3rd.There are others, but its the main one.

    Last year 77,6, 2 all were “Actual Top 4”,Benning did a very good job in his rookie year, and Russell rode the PDO pony (with Sekera) to glory.So they have 3 + 2 *almosts*

    This year 77 and 6 were never right after a week or so, no 2, 4’s PDO magic didn’t reappear, 83 started slow and *just* got back to where he was last year and 25 took a huge leap forward.

    So ~ 1-ish Top 4 guys by results all year.

    I firmly belive 77 and 6 can come back to form although 77 seems plagued.I’m not sure is ever 2 again, we’ll have to see, 4 isn’t an Actual Top 4 guy, but an ok 4/5 with the right partner and *maybe* Benning progress next year.

    Like a rising tide raises all boats, a lack of Top 4 Dmen makes all boats sink.

    Even 97 was 5% GF better last year……

    That said, there are some really expensive names below the 45% “replacement level cut off”

    Fire South Edmonton Common.

    GOILERS!!

    *clap,clap*

    All that being said, there are some very highly paid names

    ~So if Im reading the stats right…..give Pak a raise and fire Yamamoto.~
    ~Give Auvitu and Gryba raises and fire Sekera and Bear~
    ~Nuge stays Oscar goes~

    ~This Gming thing is a breeze~

    But seriously though, IMO

    Sekera’s injury, Talbot tanking, Lack of quality PKers, (Collapse of spcial teams PK and PP) are the top three reasons for the Oilers collapse IMO. The three are all inter-related.

  69. Andy Dufresne says:

    JimmyV1965: I think Schleppy was invisible last night. The other bums on the first and second lines might not deserve to be there, but Schleppy ain’t pushing the issue.

    He’s going to be even more invisible at the start of next season.

  70. Oilman99 says:

    JimmyV1965: At least part of Drai’s poor performance is related to his linemates. Lucic and Cammy are truly boat anchors.

    There was no effort from Drai to drive the line, when he’s skating like last night, he is as slow as Lucic.

  71. Pink Socks says:

    Maybe Lucic is hurt and that has caused this fall off a cliff. Or maybe this is it. Assuming the latter, he needs to be in a bottom 6 role as suggested above, keep Strome as a 3C and let 91 play 5 minutes as a 4C until a new one can be procured in the offseason.

    93-97-44
    16-29-98
    27-18-58
    13-91-46

    I still would like to see Kassian get a longer look in the top 6, we can’t afford a $2m 4RW. I view Tom Wilson in Washington as a decent comparison to Kassian, and Wilson is performing quite nicely with Ovechkin and Kuznetsov.

  72. JimmyV1965 says:

    Pink Socks:
    Kassian should have gone ape shit after McDavid was mugged.Then, Lucic should have gone ape shit after McDavid was mugged.Would Khaira have gone in and done something if he was on the ice?The past suggests that he would be more than willing.It’s either an unwillingness to do it, or they are being coached not to; however Kassian has that psycho level so I am convinced he has been told to keep his powder dry.When Kassian was on the ice, forget the upcoming PP, and it probably would have been better in the long run if he had taken an extra 2 minutes because the Oilers 4v4>5v4 as sad as it is.

    In the third when McDavid was mugged and Smith got into the altercation, I would not have been disappointed to see Lucic just drop him.But alas he coasts in.Sekera was more involved in the scrum FFS.

    I don’t say this because I am an inbred fight desiring rager with air between the ears, there is always a time and a place.It’s not like the Oil have the #1 PP in the league and are fighting for a playoff spot.Defend the best player in the league, especially in a lost season.

    Another reason to try JJ on the first line.

  73. McSorley33 says:

    5 points in 6 games for our friend Patty Maroon.

  74. Andy Dufresne says:

    russ99: Every NHL team has whiteboards of future rosters and cap hits.

    With 13 games left, I’d think they’ve made decisions on the RFAs and no push with McDavid would matter.

    +1

  75. Pink Socks says:

    Oilman99: There was no effort from Drai to drive the line, when he’s skating like last night, he is as slow as Lucic.

    To play devil’s advocate, Drai is a tremendous hockey player and I would suggest that with 27 and 13 on his wings he has to slow his own game down so he isn’t 3 steps ahead of his linemates. He plays well with 97 for two reasons.

    1) McDavid is McDavid
    2) McDavid is the fastest player in the league

    If he is to maintain pace, he needs to be in top gear at all times. Putting speed with him forces Drai to be in top gear at all times. Staple JP to his right side and someone faster than Lucic (aka anyone), and he will be skating like he can and should.

  76. McSorley33 says:

    Professor Q,

    No appreciate your comments. That is what got me interested in him….

    On another note – I am not a Browns fan – but I am fascinated by their rebuild and their stockpiling of draft picks.

    Does the Hyde signing mean they won’t draft Barkely?

    I am hoping they take Chubb 1st overall then a QB at #4 but we will see…

    I assume Taylor is a stop gap.

  77. Pink Socks says:

    JimmyV1965: Another reason to try JJ on the first line.

    Agreed, JJ should be given the opportunity. Lines I suggested above:

    93-97-44
    16-29-98
    27-18-58
    13-91-46

    Flipping the wingers on the top two lines would also be attractive.

  78. Andy Dufresne says:

    OilClog:
    They really need to inform Lucic he’s injured and needs to go bike it out with Andrew. Since they won’t top 6 ice and pp time should of came to an end months ago, since it won’t let’s ask Leon to just skate faster, better chance he might.

    Is Jesse driving his own line yet? the coach made it real clear to everyone including us that Jesse doesn’t get Connor time any more unless he can drive his own line from the left wing like that Taylor fella.

    Fire the fire that doesn’t seem to be firing!

    The coach made JP, JJ, Strome, Sleppy, EARN their TOI and Line Positioning. It paid off in spades with JJ and Strome…..but you think JP should be gifted top six minutes?

  79. Andy Dufresne says:

    Psyche:
    Listening to Dustin, Eric, and Ryan discuss Lucic on the PP 1st unit as LT cited above. It’s curious to see the coaches roll him out there with the lack of results. Instead of fixing one problem (finding the right player for that roll on PP1) they create two or more. Tunnel vision has set in and blind spots are being created on a weekly basis.

    On even strength I saw the Oilers good last night (based on my current expectations of the group). The Flames had spurts but owe the win mostly to Smith’s brilliance in net. For having a high profile top 4 on D there wasn’t much that stood out.

    I really enjoy Nuge and McDavid on the same line. Both are high IQ players who can skate well and possess above average puck control. Give Sleppy some games with them on the right side. I’d run Puljujarvi on Draisaitl’s right side for the next stretch. My preference is Cammy instead of Lucic on his left side, but we know that won’t happen. Strome with JJ and Pontus for the 3rd, could be a good buzz line on the forecheck. Kassian, Caggiula, and Cammy can play 5 min a night on the 4th line.Double shift McDavid at C once in awhile with them.

    Lucic has a role to play netfront on PP2

  80. Andy Dufresne says:

    To use a narrative that runs rampant at times on this site………..Is Lucic being “Schultz’ed” by the fans and media in this town?

    Lucic is an anchor….no doubt…..so let hm anchor the third line for awhile.

  81. Andy Dufresne says:

    frjohnk: I think both are tweeners.

    Caggs has scored better at the NHL level.

    Want to see more of Aberg but if both these guys are making 600k each and are on 4th line next year.
    Could be worse.

    Funny they both get a push with McDavid but just are not even close to good enough while Sleppy would seem to be a better fit, barely gets a push.

    League minimum for 2018-19 is $650k . But point well taken.

    See which of Sleppy or Cags is willing to come back on a one year contract at $650K.

  82. GMB3 says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    Thoughts on Edmontons ghastly GF% with McDavid off and Peter Chiarelli’s roster construction? Is he really improving this team?

    How much better is this team than the team when he took over? If you account for all the injuries last season?

    Lol at Lucics deployment and the shills preaching Mclellan isn’t part of the problem. Open your eyes folks, we are watching incompetence in real time!

    Fire the Edmonton MSM. Dig a tunnel through shit. Trade RNH for a shooter (he doesn’t know how to shoot) (connor McDavid can’t shoot either)

  83. Andy Dufresne says:

    sliderule:
    I don’t see Tmac trolling Chiarelli.

    I would think they have agreed that they have to find out what they have in Aberg and Bear.

    Can Aberg play in top six and can Bear defend enough to run the power play

    So far Aberg is a fail and Bear shows promise

    Meanwhile they have agreed to slow play JP andStrome as they have to negotiate new contracts with them

    I don’t expectJPto get a push in case he goes off and costs them cap that they won’t have

    +1

  84. GMB3 says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    To use a narrative that runs rampant at times on this site………..Is Lucic being “Schultz’ed” by the fans and media in this town?

    Lucic is an anchor….no doubt…..so let hm anchor the third line for awhile.

    He has faced barely any criticism in the MSM, especially compared to Schultz. The Edmonton MSM panders to mouth breathing glass bangers.

  85. Andy Dufresne says:

    Fgary:
    This coach should be fired just based on the disappointment of this season…if there is any doubt or hesitation his deployment of players should be the nail in the coffin.

    Is that you Gretz?….. Coff?

  86. Andy Dufresne says:

    dustrock:
    Looking ahead to the draft, where do you guys see the following d-men:

    Ty Smith
    Hughes
    Bouchard
    Dobson
    Wilde

    I’ve seen people high on all these guys for different reasons, but I’m not sure I can find a real hard target for the Oilers, they frankly could use ANY of them.

    I roughly have it as: Smith & Hughes being the better skaters, and LHD shots.Fancy stats have them as scoring chance and entry machines.

    Bouchard and Dobson have more size and probably more shot, and have the RHD advantage.

    Wilde I don’t know too much about and I’ve seen him all over the place in the top 20.

    Anyone have a favorite?

    After the skill forwards are gone my list goes,

    RHD
    RHD
    RHD

  87. who says:

    Andy Dufresne: This team is loaded with tradable assets.

    Name them.
    I see Klefbom, Nuge, JP, 2018 1ST, 2019 1ST.
    I think trading any of these pieces is probably a bad idea. Sure we could trade the draft picks or JP and improve next season but those are the cheap pieces we need to contend 3 or 4 years down the road. Trading Klefbom or Nuge is just creating a hole to plug another one.
    The only trade I could get behind is Klefbom plus for OEL. And I don’t think we can afford to add a big enough plus to get him.
    It seems the best course of action is to go into next season with the same pieces, pray for good health, and try to cobble together 2 scoring lines with our young wingers and maybe a cheap UFA .
    Kinda seems like a lesser of two evils scenario.

  88. vinotintazo says:

    godot10,

    Subjective, Winning 8 straight vs the flames setting a record was way more important imo.

    Also its not like no one did anything, Nuge, Cammy etc got involved.

    You have to be smart about it and not take stupid penalties and negate a PP in a very close game.

    We can argue all day about Lucic, I don’t mind him in the front of the net, he was tipping pucks, his issue is he cant make or take a pass and also loosing most board battles.

    I wouldn’t mind Puljujarvi out there, except then you’d have all perimeter players. Case in point in the 6 on 4 they had like 1 or 2 shots only making perimeter passes for 2 mins.

  89. Andy Dufresne says:

    Oilman99:
    Kassian needs to remember his duty, McD gets cheap shotted after getting high sticked, then Nuge gets the same in the corner in the same sequence, and Kassian who was on the ice did nothing. The season is lost,so at least send a message to the Flickers that they can’t take liberties with our stars for next year. At 8.5k Drai has to start bringing it every game,not enough hustle for a guy getting that kind of bucks. There are too many games where he doesn’t seem give a crap unless he’s playing with McD. Why this late in the season does the defence still have same brain farts in our net leaving guys wide open.

    Kassian is being coached to not take un-neccessary penalties in one goal games. Trust me…it goes against his nature to control his urge to KILL FLEMS.

  90. Andy Dufresne says:

    geowal:
    Couple observations:
    -Ethan Bear sure seems to have some loyal supporters. Saw 2 Oiler Bear jerseys in the stands (on the road) already, he could be quite the story going forward.
    -Leon really didn’t seem to have it
    -Lucic does have these rare bursts of speed where he’s more than fast enough to contribute with a non McDavod centre.I think his conditioning is poor, or he’s just lazy the rest of the time.
    -Flames fans sure are envious/in awe of McDavid. Despite this, they actually have a perception that he “gets calls” from the refs, when it’s anything but. Oh how quickly they forget the Gaudreau slashes.

    Ethan Bear represents an entire culture in our community. I love it!

    Edit: As does JJ! I love that too!
    Now if we could just get a Ukrainian or Two!

  91. Death By Misadventure says:

    Pouzar: I was thinking about this last night. It’s my only salvation.

    I’ve asked my Catholic mom to say a rosary this Sunday while at mass. The rest is up to St. Peter Chiarelli.

  92. who says:

    Pink Socks:
    Maybe Lucic is hurt and that has caused this fall off a cliff.Or maybe this is it.Assuming the latter, he needs to be in a bottom 6 role as suggested above, keep Strome as a 3C and let 91 play 5 minutes as a 4C until a new one can be procured in the offseason.

    93-97-44
    16-29-98
    27-18-58
    13-91-46

    I still would like to see Kassian get a longer look in the top 6, we can’t afford a $2m 4RW. I view Tom Wilson in Washington as a decent comparison to Kassian, and Wilson is performing quite nicely with Ovechkin and Kuznetsov.

    Your lineup makes a lot of sense to me for the rest of the year.

  93. Andy Dufresne says:

    GMB3:
    Andy Dufresne,

    Thoughts on Edmontons ghastly GF% with McDavid off and Peter Chiarelli’s roster construction? Is he really improving this team?

    How much better is this team than the team when he took over? If you account for all the injuries last season?

    Lol at Lucics deployment and the shills preaching Mclellan isn’t part of the problem. Open your eyes folks, we are watching incompetence in real time!

    Fire the Edmonton MSM. Dig a tunnel through shit. Trade RNH for a shooter (he doesn’t know how to shoot) (connor McDavid can’t shoot either)

    You forgot the part where you run around shouting “The sky is falling The sky is falling”

    Sekera’s injury, Talbot tanking, Lack of quality PKers, (Collapse of special teams PK and PP) are the top three reasons for the Oilers collapse IMO. The three are all inter-related.

  94. digger50 says:

    My lord, try this guy, try that guy.

    Does anyone find this ridiculous that by the end of the season we have no working lines? Nor pairs?
    (exclude two centers working together)

    A recent interview comes to mind, though I forget the who. But he stated “my line knows its job” “we are good at this” “our role is to…..”

    This shows identity, purpose, clarity, expectation.

    This is not the Oiler circus we are watching.

    Change the coach for the single biggest gain.

  95. Andy Dufresne says:

    Oilman99: Dream on boys what you sees is what you gets for five more years.

    Two more years.

  96. Andy Dufresne says:

    GMB3: He has faced barely any criticism in the MSM, especially compared to Schultz. The Edmonton MSM panders to mouth breathing glass bangers.

    Try listenting to the Lowdown with Lowetide, or reading Jonathan Willis or listening to Bob Stauffer pod cast of todays show. etc etc etc

  97. Andy Dufresne says:

    Oilman99: There was no effort from Drai to drive the line, when he’s skating like last night, he is as slow as Lucic.

    Draisaitl is Elite.

  98. Professor Q says:

    McSorley33:
    Professor Q,

    No appreciate your comments. That is what got me interested in him….

    On another note – I am not a Browns fan – but I am fascinated by their rebuild and their stockpiling of draft picks.

    Does the Hyde signing mean they won’t draft Barkely?

    I am hoping they take Chubb 1st overall then a QB at #4 but we will see…

    I assume Taylor is a stop gap.

    Thank you! That’s awesome. I look forward to further conversations here on what the offseason holds. I predict a lot of change…

    Definitely excited about the flurry of moves. Unfortunately they couldn’t grab Solder to replace Thomas, but we shall see what happens. I think they might go with Mayfield at #1 (at least *I* want Mayfield; everyone else thinks Rosen, then Darnold) and now with Thomas retiring, they might go with McGlinchey or Brown (but Brown might fall due to his poor effort and athleticism).

    They have a lot of DEs and DTs so Chubb might be less likely, but grabbing both Chubb cousins wouldn’t be a bad thing (and are shoring up CB and S in FA and trades, so not likely top picks there either). I’d rather Chubb, Guice, Michel, etc. in the 2nd Round over Barkley at #4OV.

  99. Dave W says:

    Was at the game last night, and I’m still trying to wrap my head around the idea of blowing up the lines with 10 minutes left in the third.

    You’re coming to the conclusion of a tight 1-0 game and that’s when you want to try a science experiment on your top line? It’s not like Strome was shooting the lights out – I’m not sure what warranted the promotion. 93-97-18 never looked particularly comfortable in their late shifts together.

    If you’re going to give 93 and 97 a new winger – with the supposed intent of trying to win the game – why wouldn’t it be 29?

    And if you want to actually see what Aberg can do in a high pressure, late game situation, you have to actually let him play as opposed to parking him on the bench.

  100. Andy Dufresne says:

    who: Name them.
    I see Klefbom, Nuge, JP, 2018 1ST, 2019 1ST.
    I think trading any of these pieces is probably a bad idea. Sure we could trade the draft picks or JP and improve next season but those are the cheap pieces we need to contend 3 or 4 years down the road. Trading Klefbom or Nuge is just creating a hole to plug another one.
    The only trade I could get behind is Klefbom plus for OEL. And I don’t think we can afford to add a big enough plus to get him.
    It seems the best course of action is to go into next season with the same pieces, pray for good health, and try to cobble together 2 scoring lines with our young wingers and maybe a cheap UFA .
    Kinda seems like a lesser of two evils scenario.

    You did a pretty good job of naming them.

    If what Im about to say doesnt describe you then I apologize in advance. Its mnore intended as ageneral comment about a specific narrative that is occuring in here with some regularity.

    You want something for nothing? ……. Stop being Tambellini…..have the courage of your convictions and tell us about the changes youd consider…..cause this narrative where we rake Chia for doing nothing last year and then prey he does nothing this year is getting a little tedious.

  101. Material pocession says:

    GMB3: He has faced barely any criticism in the MSM, especially compared to Schultz. The Edmonton MSM panders to mouth breathing glass bangers.

    Glass banging at Roger’s Place ist verboten!

  102. Andy Dufresne says:

    vinotintazo:
    godot10,

    Subjective, Winning 8 straight vs the flames setting a record was way more important imo.

    Also its not like no one did anything, Nuge, Cammy etc got involved.

    You have to be smart about it and not take stupid penalties and negate a PP in a very close game.

    We can argue all day about Lucic, I don’t mind him in the front of the net, he was tipping pucks, his issue is he cant make or take a pass and also loosing most board battles.

    I wouldn’t mind Puljujarvi out there, except then you’d have all perimeter players. Case in point in the 6 on 4 they had like 1 or 2 shots only making perimeter passes for 2 mins.

    Strong statement. Thank you.

  103. Andy Dufresne says:

    Death By Misadventure: I’ve asked my Catholic mom to say a rosary this Sunday while at mass. The rest is up to St. Peter Chiarelli.

    LOL……Ill light a candle.

  104. McSorley33 says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    Try listenting to the Lowdown with Lowetide, or reading Jonathan Willis or listening to Bob Stauffer pod cast of todays show. etc etc etc
    ******************************************************************************************
    It could be worse.

    Try looking at the standings.

  105. Andy Dufresne says:

    digger50:
    My lord, try this guy, try that guy.

    Does anyone find this ridiculous that by the end of the season we have no working lines? Nor pairs?
    (exclude two centers working together)

    A recent interview comes to mind, though I forget the who. But he stated “my line knows its job” “we are good at this” “our role is to…..”

    This shows identity, purpose, clarity, expectation.

    This is not the Oiler circus we are watching.

    Change the coach for the single biggest gain.

    McDavid Draisaitl is “ok” IDENTITY ( this is our teams identity)

    Nuge JP offers hope for next year PURPOSE ( above average 2way players with offensive upside)

    Khaira Strome is looking good ( at an AVV of about 3.5m for the pair) CLARITY (Solid 3rd line VALUE)

    EXPECTATION The OLDEST memeber of this group is 24 yrs old!

    But hey lets PANIC!

  106. Gayfish says:

    Andy Dufresne: McDavidDraisaitl is okIDENTITY( this is our teams identity)

    Nuge JPoffers hope for next year PURPOSE( above average 2way players with offensive upside)

    Khaira Stromeis looking good ( at an AVV of about 3.5m for the pair) CLARITY (Solid 3rd line VALUE)

    But lets PANIC!

    Six guys? I think you might be thinking this is basketball.

  107. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    who: Your lineup makes a lot of sense to me for the rest of the year.

    I don’t understand when people say the McDavid wings should be based on merit then suggest Kassian on the top line. What has Kassian done to prove he deserves 1st line minutes? He is a good bottom 6-er when engaged in the game. He belongs in the bottom 6. He does not bring enough offense to be on the top line. Yeah, he has some skill but in his case it does not translate into goals frequently enough to justify that.

    For $2m though, I do agree he should be getting more minutes, probably as 3RW, because he is overpaid for a 4RW role.

  108. Andy Dufresne says:

    Gayfish: Six guys? I think you might be thinking this is basketball.

    I could do more but he only gave me 4 nouns to work with…..and I thought that line about the oldest being 24 was worthy of one bullett.

    Oh…..and there are only 5 players allowed on the court at one time…unless its Globetrotters.

  109. JimmyV1965 says:

    GMB3:
    Andy Dufresne,

    Thoughts on Edmontons ghastly GF% with McDavid off and Peter Chiarelli’s roster construction? Is he really improving this team?

    How much better is this team than the team when he took over? If you account for all the injuries last season?

    Lol at Lucics deployment and the shills preaching Mclellan isn’t part of the problem. Open your eyes folks, we are watching incompetence in real time!

    Fire the Edmonton MSM. Dig a tunnel through shit. Trade RNH for a shooter (he doesn’t know how to shoot) (connor McDavid can’t shoot either)

    So you crap on Chia for roster construction and want to trade RNH for a winger in the next breath. Would love to hear what winger you would acquire for RNH.

  110. JimmyV1965 says:

    GMB3: He has faced barely any criticism in the MSM, especially compared to Schultz. The Edmonton MSM panders to mouth breathing glass bangers.

    I’ve been listening to talk radio all morning and I would estimate 70% of the Oiler talk is crapping on Lucic.

  111. Professor Q says:

    Material pocession: Glass banging at Roger’s Place ist verboten!

    Weird Fact:

    At the Aud (Kitchener Memorial Auditorium Complex), they have these loose metal floor board sheets near the boards on the audience side.

    So I always thought the sound on the TV was glass banging, but when I witnessed the floor stomping and the sound produced by fans at the Aud when watching a Knights-Rangers game, I realised that there might be another mechanism (depending on which arena and if it has said noisy floor board sheets).

    I do believe glass banging had been banned even back then (2010), so maybe they kept these older factors to keep fans occupied (or installed new for that very purpose)?

  112. who says:

    Andy Dufresne: You did a pretty good job of naming them.

    If what Im about to say doesnt describe you then I apologize in advance. Its mnore intended as ageneral comment about a specific narrative that is occuring in here with some regularity.

    You want something for nothing? ……. Stop being Tambellini…..have the courage of your convictions and tell us about the changes youd consider…..cause this narrative where we rake Chia for doing nothing last year and then prey he does nothing this year is getting a little tedious.

    No need to apologize to me.
    I actually liked the bets on the young wingers this year. Hasn’t worked out but at least some of that is on the coaches. Hard to win a job when you’re in the press box or playing 4th line minutes.
    The only mistake he made last summer was buying out Pouliot AND trading Eberle. One of these moves would have been enough.
    I think the coach forced his hand on Poulloit. Maybe Chia panicked with Eberle. Or maybe Strome was the best offer he could get.
    I know Eberle is putting up numbers again this year but he looks like the same player to me. I think he has been riding Barzals coattails most of the year but he would certainly fill a hole in our top 6 right now.

  113. JimmyV1965 says:

    Andy Dufresne: You did a pretty good job of naming them.

    If what Im about to say doesnt describe you then I apologize in advance. Its mnore intended as ageneral comment about a specific narrative that is occuring in here with some regularity.

    You want something for nothing? ……. Stop being Tambellini…..have the courage of your convictions and tell us about the changes youd consider…..cause this narrative where we rake Chia for doing nothing last year and then prey he does nothing this year is getting a little tedious.

    Lol. Thought this was pretty funny. I’m in the camp that less is more at this point. Think we can get a nice asset simply trading down in the first round. I would even trade RNH if it’s the right deal. I’m terrified that we trade we trade him for someone like Hoffman or Barrie. Trading Klef would be a huge mistake. That contract is amazing.

  114. Pink Socks says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): I don’t understand when people say the McDavid wings should be based on merit then suggest Kassian on the top line. What has Kassian done to prove he deserves 1st line minutes? He is a good bottom 6-er when engaged in the game. He belongs in the bottom 6. He does not bring enough offense to be on the top line. Yeah, he has some skill but in his case it does not translate into goals frequently enough to justify that.

    For $2m though, I do agree he should be getting more minutes, probably as 3RW, because he is overpaid for a 4RW role.

    Respectively disagree. Yes Kassian is a good bottom 6 forward, however so is Tom Wilson who is performing very nicely in Washington on the top unit. And if playing alongside 97 is based on merit, which other wingers actually have earned that time? I think there is an argument for 16, but that’s about it.

  115. who says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): I don’t understand when people say the McDavid wings should be based on merit then suggest Kassian on the top line. What has Kassian done to prove he deserves 1st line minutes? He is a good bottom 6-er when engaged in the game. He belongs in the bottom 6. He does not bring enough offense to be on the top line. Yeah, he has some skill but in his case it does not translate into goals frequently enough to justify that.

    For $2m though, I do agree he should be getting more minutes, probably as 3RW, because he is overpaid for a 4RW role.

    I agree that Kassian haa done nothing this year to earn first line minutes. Unfortunately no right winger on this team has. Scary as it seems Kassian might be the best bet on the roster right now.
    I also think that it might energize his game a little. I wonder if Kassian has already given up hope of ever getting off the 4th line under this coach. He certainly doesn’t seem very engaged right now.

  116. Pink Socks says:

    ————
    From TSN:

    Edmonton Oilers defenceman is in need of shoulder surgery, but his season isn’t over yet.

    Oilers head coach Todd McLellan said Klefbom will play Wednesday and could join the team for their —-upcoming four-game road trip before his surgery is scheduled.
    ————

    Am I the only one that views this as tremendously irresponsible? I admire the fact that Klef wants to play, good for him, but shut him down and give him extra time to be 100% for next season. A healthy 2016-2017 Klefbom would be a tremendous add to the team next season. Sending him out to perhaps mangle the shoulder even more in a disaster of a season is downright foolishness.

  117. Nix says:

    Professor Q,

    Thanks man.

  118. Nix says:

    Slep-(Drai-McD) Get the man his Art Ross plz..
    Khaira-RNH-Jesse Solid two-way play plz..
    Camalleri-Strome-Kassian Just tread water plz..
    Aberg-Malone-Pakarinen Kill penalties plz..

    Lucic and Drake can pound drums in Ford Hall for all I care at this point.

  119. JustWatt says:

    Pink Socks,

    This is ridiculous. The season was out of reach ages ago. If he needs shutting down for the rest of the season it should have already been done, not after the next 5 games. And what are the odds that since we already know that he has played the whole season hurt that this surgery could have been avoided if they had shut him down long enough to get healthy earlier in the season. If management and coaching are responsible for him needing surgery because they refused to sit him until he was healthy enough to play without getting hurt this bad then they need to be held responsible for this.

    And it continues to raise the question that not everyone here seems to have picked up on: Is Lucic playing hurt? Because he absolutely could be. Someone on this forum in the last 2 days (forget exactly who) demonstrated that he was directly in line with his career averages at the start of the season and that his production fell off a cliff at a very distinct moment in time. He may not be hurt but it seems very plausible that he is and that management has been playing him anyway instead of letting him get right. The fact we don’t have any other wingers to replace him is 100% of the management. Chia has had plenty of time and cap space to make it happen if in fact he is hurt. And if Lucic has been playing too hurt to make and take a pass and shoot properly for basically the last 3 months then that’s not on him. I think we ought to hold back running him out of town until after we are sure that he’s been healthy since Christmas.

  120. Pouzar says:

    McSorley33:
    Professor Q,

    No appreciate your comments. That is what got me interested in him….

    On another note – I am not a Browns fan – but I am fascinated by their rebuild and their stockpiling of draft picks.

    Does the Hyde signing mean they won’t draft Barkely?

    I am hoping they take Chubb 1st overall then a QB at #4 but we will see…

    I assume Taylor is a stop gap.

    I like Chubb then QB…but I would seriously consider trading out of #1 or #4 and stock piling more picks.

  121. Pouzar says:

    Death By Misadventure: I’ve asked my Catholic mom to say a rosary this Sunday while at mass. The rest is up to St. Peter Chiarelli.

    I will do the same of my Catholic Mom. Can’t hurt.

  122. Pink Socks says:

    JustWatt,

    Agree on all points, well said.

  123. Pouzar says:

    Professor Q: I think they might go with Mayfield at #1

    I cannot wait to see this kid in the NFL. I think he is going to kill it.

  124. Gayfish says:

    Andy Dufresne: I could do more but he only gave me 4 nouns to work with…..and I thought that line about the oldest being 24 was worthy of one bullett.

    Oh…..and there are only 5 players allowedon the court at one time…unless its Globetrotters.

    Always happy to help a stupid person learn.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Sixth_Man_of_the_Year_Award

  125. Buddy says:

    I was at the game last night, first time I’ve seen McDavid live. Wow! Watching on TV doesn’t do him justice. Lots of Oilers fans there, although we never really got to demonstrate just how many there were since the boys never scored.

    Pretty neat to see just how scared McDavid has other teams’ fans now. There was an audible gasp in the crowd every time he got the puck with speed. One play in particular summed it up. In the 2nd period McDavid went up the middle 1 on 2 against the Flames D, and had the puck poke-checked away. The crowd cheered as if they had just killed off a 5 minute penalty, simply for stopping him on what for any normal player was a complete non-chance!

    The crowd lost it completely at Hamilton’s interference penalty at the end. In a way I actually understood their displeasure, since that was nothing compared to what their players had gotten away with earlier in the game.

    Despite the obvious issues with the Oilers on display last night, they could easily have won with a bit of luck. I’d seen Smith working out on the weekend, by chance my daughter’s ringette team were practising next to where he was working out with some of the Flames coaches. He looked good to my eye, so it’ didn’t surprise me that he played like he did.

    One final note: Bear can really thread the needle with his passes. I hope the Oilers find the inner strength to let him play in the AHL next year.

  126. dustrock says:

    The thought of the team allowing an injured Klefbom to play in a write-off year is just hilarious to me.

  127. Professor Q says:

    Pink Socks:
    ————
    From TSN:

    Edmonton Oilers defencemanis in need of shoulder surgery, but his season isn’t over yet.

    Oilers head coach Todd McLellan said Klefbom will play Wednesday and could join the team for their —-upcoming four-game road trip before his surgery is scheduled.
    ————

    Am I the only one that views this as tremendously irresponsible?I admire the fact that Klef wants to play, good for him, but shut him down and give him extra time to be 100% for next season.A healthy 2016-2017 Klefbom would be a tremendous add to the team next season.Sending him out to perhaps mangle the shoulder even more in a disaster of a season is downright foolishness.

    Absolutely. This is a younger version of Souray and thus more impactful and dangerous. And Klefbom won’t complain as much as Souray would.

    This could be very bad. Nay, *WILL* be very bad.

  128. leadfarmer says:

    Professor Q,

    NO IT IS NOT.

    Unless Klefbom is being forced to go out there this is nothing like Souray. These guys work hard all year and want to play. It is very different sitting on your computer than deciding for yourself what to do. These guys want to be part of the team and speaks to Klefs character. If he wants to play for a few more weeks let him play, surgery is coming either way and has a nice long offseason to recover. I’m sure he is not the only player playing for “nothing” that is going to have offseason surgery.

  129. JimmyV1965 says:

    Pink Socks:
    ————
    From TSN:

    Edmonton Oilers defencemanis in need of shoulder surgery, but his season isn’t over yet.

    Oilers head coach Todd McLellan said Klefbom will play Wednesday and could join the team for their —-upcoming four-game road trip before his surgery is scheduled.
    ————

    Am I the only one that views this as tremendously irresponsible?I admire the fact that Klef wants to play, good for him, but shut him down and give him extra time to be 100% for next season.A healthy 2016-2017 Klefbom would be a tremendous add to the team next season.Sending him out to perhaps mangle the shoulder even more in a disaster of a season is downright foolishness.

    The most likely explanation of course is that Klef has insisted he wants to play. Not sure what the big deal is.

  130. Professor Q says:

    leadfarmer,

    Okay. I guess we’ll see.

    Nice ad hominem deflection by the way (good ol’ “Do you even play?!” argument). Just because I am using a computer to communicate with you at the moment and just because I’m not in the exact situation as Klefbom doesn’t mean I can’t wonder what the heck is going on with Edmonton and said situation, negative or otherwise.

    Playing with said injury and possibly making it worse is always an unwise choice. With a team that has a history of doing so…

    Even if Klef *insisted* he wants to play, Edmonton, its doctors and otherwise, has the end of the buck and can veto said decision, making a long term healing and prognosis decision for everyone involved.

  131. digger50 says:

    Andy Dufresne: McDavidDraisaitl is “ok”IDENTITY( this is our teams identity)

    Nuge JPoffers hope for next year PURPOSE( above average 2way players with offensive upside)

    Khaira Stromeis looking good ( at an AVV of about 3.5m for the pair) CLARITY (Solid 3rd line VALUE)

    EXPECTATIONThe OLDEST memeber of this group is 24 yrs old!

    But hey lets PANIC!

    You have over 20 posts today and accuse me of panicking.

    Dominating this thread will not save your job Peter.

  132. OmJo says:

    Andy Dufresne: The coach made JP, JJ, Strome, Sleppy, EARN their TOI and Line Positioning. It paid off in spades with JJ and Strome…..but you think JP should be gifted top six minutes?

    Can we please never talk about earning ice time with this team again, at least not for a few years? This whole idea is a farce with this organization and coaching staff. If it was about earning ice time, Lucic and Kassian would have been healthy scratches multiple times this year alone (2018).

    Khaira and Strome were trying out for bottom 6 roles. Puljujarvi is trying out for a top 6 role. The season is lost and he should be put in a position to develop for that top 6 role, either in the NHL or the AHL. “Earning” bottom 6 ice time while playing in the bottom 6 is a lot easier than “earning” top 6 ice time while playing in the bottom 6. Especially on a team with as poor a depth as the Edmonton Oilers.

  133. OmJo says:

    Andy Dufresne: You forgot the part where you run around shouting “The sky is falling The sky is falling”

    Sekera’s injury, Talbot tanking, Lack of quality PKers, (Collapse of special teams PK and PP) are the top three reasons for the Oilers collapse IMO. The three are all inter-related.

    Yes, all are inter-related to Peter Chiarelli.

    Sekera is injured, expected to miss a significant portion of the season? Let’s sign Russell rather than look for a real replacement!

    Talbot is struggling early on, and the head coach refuses to play the backup? Let’s sit by and watch, and then trade a 5/4th round pick for Montoya when the season is lost!

    The PK at home is historically the worst PK in the last century? Well, why would I want to stop the team from making history by making a coaching change or acquiring some useful penalty killers?

    Chiarelli’s inaction – as well as McLellan’s stubbornness – is the major reason we are in this situation.

  134. Andy Dufresne says:

    who: No need to apologize to me.
    I actually liked the bets on the young wingers this year. Hasn’t worked out but at least some of that is on the coaches. Hard to win a job when you’re in the press box or playing 4th line minutes.
    The only mistake he made last summer was buying out Pouliot AND trading Eberle. One of these moves would have been enough.
    I think the coach forced his hand on Poulloit. Maybe Chia panicked with Eberle. Or maybe Strome was the best offer he could get.I know Eberle is putting up numbers again this year but he looks like the same player to me. I think he has been riding Barzals coattails most of the year but he would certainly fill a hole in our top 6 right now.

    I may quibble on the details…but this is fair and resaonable. Thank you.

    IMO, Its worked out for JJ and Strome. JP is only 19 and Sleppy is in trouble. Theyve all been given a fair shot. Caggs was overplayed.

    With the young guns i Like the fact the coach has made them earn their minutes.

  135. OmJo says:

    Pink Socks:
    ————
    From TSN:

    Edmonton Oilers defencemanis in need of shoulder surgery, but his season isn’t over yet.

    Oilers head coach Todd McLellan said Klefbom will play Wednesday and could join the team for their —-upcoming four-game road trip before his surgery is scheduled.
    ————

    Am I the only one that views this as tremendously irresponsible?I admire the fact that Klef wants to play, good for him, but shut him down and give him extra time to be 100% for next season.A healthy 2016-2017 Klefbom would be a tremendous add to the team next season.Sending him out to perhaps mangle the shoulder even more in a disaster of a season is downright foolishness.

    It is even worse when you take into consideration the possibility they might be playing him in this state to showcase him to the league for a trade this summer for Chiarelli’s annual June Blowout Sale on Oilers players.

  136. --hudson-- says:

    Todd’s pregame today was a firestorm. He cut off a lot of the questions, sensed he really wanted to get in front of the Klefbom speculation. Highlights:
    – Klefbom will have his shoulder cleaned up next week, but will keep playing until the procedure.
    – It’s the same shoulder he previously injured.
    – The issue has been there for a number of years and zero risk for him to keep playing.
    – They will keep Ethan Bear on the #1 powerplay unit.
    – Montoya starts tonight, Benning is out sick, Pakarinen is in. No word on the other scratches yet.
    – Rishaug asked about the response to McDavid getting mugged last night. Rishaug was careful to say he wasn’t saying it (is he scared of Todd?). Todd liked the teams response?!
    – Aberg will start on line 1 again tonight.

    Source video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-4szoHuIz0
    ————————————————–
    Q: {question about Klefbom}
    A: … will play tonight. We talked about him missing two games and then returning to the lineup. The procedure he had allowed him to digest some information and make a decision about where he’ll go moving forward, and he will have a cleanup done, and that will happen as early as next week, and all the details and everything has to be sorted out. But he’s come to us and he wants to play between now and then, and we’re all for it.

    Q: When you say cleanup, can you…?
    A: Cleanup… I’m not a doctor, clean up… What everybody’s…

    Q: Same shoulder he had operated on before? When I talked to him, he said it’s the same…
    A: Yeah, yep, so I don’t know if it’s the same sort of problem he needs to clean up.

    Q: So he’ll play and then be out?
    A: He’ll play yes and he won’t finish the year once he gets the procedure done. He will not finish the year.

    Q: What does it say, a little bit about him, and just his willingness to keep going out there knowing he’s not probably feeling the way…?
    A: Well he’s played this way for a long time, it just hasn’t happened this year, in fact he had the same shoulder last year. Just some of the treatments that he’s had in the past have worked and now they’re not working quite as well. The fact that he wants to play, he’s a hockey player, he wants to get out there and play, you know, he’s looking forward to helping his team try and win the game tonight so that speaks volumes.

    Q: I am going to be devil’s advocate here, if you know that he’s got an injury, that he’s going to have a procedure…
    A: There’s no risk of anything going on, he’s played for three-four years whatever long as he’s played. There’s no risk of any damage at all. If he had the availability of doctors, and a bed, and everything today he wouldn’t play today. But I’m not going to deny him the opportunity of contributing to his team or playing in front of his fans because he’s got a procedure scheduled later on when there’s no risk of any more damage or hurting it.

    Q: By cleanup, we’re not talking…?
    A: He’ll be ready for training camp, there’ll be no problems. now if there’s complications that come up I don’t know but right now there’s no signs of, zero of any type of problem. He’ll be ready for training camp.

    Q: Todd, a couple of looks with Ethan Bear on the point with that number one power play, just maybe your thoughts on it, the games he showing you from that position which is a need for you?
    A: It certainly is, it’s nice to have a righty there, and he does have a lot of poise. He’s got vision and a low panic point from the top. He’s willing to shoot the puck so there’s a lot of positives with him there. I think he’s been very creative in that situation, he’s only gone a couple games now with Connors unit, but we’ll continue that for a little while and see where it goes.

    Q: Who’s in goal tonight, Todd?
    A: Montoya will play tonight.

    Q: And so Ethan’s playing?
    A: Ethan will play, Matt Benning is sick again, he’ll come out.

    Q: There was some suggestion on the broadcast last night that with some of the rough stuff going on that McDavid was involved in that…
    A: the high stick to the lips?
    Q: … yeah and some of the pushing and shoving and whatever, that the response wasn’t there that was needed. I’m not saying that, but the suggestion was made. Can you discuss the job your team does with that?
    A: I think we do a good job of that.

    Q: Is Aberg still going to get another shot with Connor or where do you see him?
    A: Yeah he will start there tonight, and he’ll get another opportunity where we’re still breaking him in, or he’s still breaking his way into our lineup, and figuring things out. He made some nice plays to allow Connor and Nuge to get in on the two-on-one’s yesterday. We just didn’t have the chance to finish or we had the chance to finish, we just didn’t finish, but he made some good plays, and we’ll look for him to be a little more productive though over the next little bit, and if he isn’t then we’ll make adjustments.

    Q: Pakarinen in?
    A: Pakarinen will be in, yeah.

    Q: Who’s out?
    A: We will make that decision as we go on.

    Q: Was there any thought, as the game wore on last night, to putting Leon back with say ten minutes into the third with Nuge?
    A: Well Leon was back, it just wasn’t that early. We needed two lines that could score and, you know, so he did come back near the end of the game and play on that line with Nuge. He was out there with the pulled goaltender, so for about the last five minutes on, he was there but we needed more than one line going. It was only a one goal deficit.

  137. Andy Dufresne says:

    JimmyV1965: Lol. Thought this was pretty funny. I’m in the camp that less is more at this point. Think we can get a nice asset simply trading down in the first round. I would even trade RNH if it’s the right deal. I’m terrified that we trade we trade him for someone like Hoffman or Barrie. Trading Klef would be a huge mistake. That contract is amazing.

    Agreed. A little creativity would be a good thing……Id take some luck as well……a pick in the top 8…..and whatever dump of salaries (Montoya, Sleppy, Caggs, Cammalleri, Pak, Fayne comes of the books, cap goes up etc) we grab a legit backup for Talbot and a free agent forward or RHD.

    If you had to choose one of

    Klefbom Hoffman
    or
    Nuge Barrie

    sound like you would choose Klefbom Hoffman

    Im leaning the other way.

  138. Andy Dufresne says:

    Nix:
    Speaking of wingers, or lack thereof, here’s a good writeup:

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.milehighhockey.com/platform/amp/2018/3/13/17105790/2018-nhl-draft-prospect-profile-oliver-wahlstrom-scuting-report&ved=0ahUKEwj599PUw-zZAhUF1lMKHZahAKkQyM8BCB0wAA&usg=AOvVaw018Aw7UbnDzk8eWpINK6pF&ampcf=1

    God I love this kid…. Fate make it so.

    Given our current draft position and the fact that there is a top 5, 2 other RHD and maybe 2 other LHD. There is a chance we get him.

  139. OmJo says:

    –hudson–: Q: There was some suggestion on the broadcast last night that with some of the rough stuff going on that McDavid was involved in that…
    A: the high stick to the lips?
    Q: … yeah and some of the pushing and shoving and whatever, that the response wasn’t there that was needed. I’m not saying that, but the suggestion was made. Can you discuss the job your team does with that?
    A: I think we do a good job of that.

    Did he say this with a straight face?

  140. Andy Dufresne says:

    Pink Socks:
    ————
    From TSN:

    Edmonton Oilers defencemanis in need of shoulder surgery, but his season isn’t over yet.

    Oilers head coach Todd McLellan said Klefbom will play Wednesday and could join the team for their —-upcoming four-game road trip before his surgery is scheduled.
    ————

    Am I the only one that views this as tremendously irresponsible?I admire the fact that Klef wants to play, good for him, but shut him down and give him extra time to be 100% for next season.A healthy 2016-2017 Klefbom would be a tremendous add to the team next season.Sending him out to perhaps mangle the shoulder even more in a disaster of a season is downright foolishness.

    These decsions are made by committee and the committee includes the types of Doctors that you and I rarely get access to; The player himself; The Players Agent; And Team Mgt who view him as a $28 million investment..

    I wouldnt get to worked up about it. MANY players play injured under the advice of elite physicians. There are some injuries the nature of which cant really get worse by playing.

    BUT …. if you love the player….I totally get the apprehension…..given everything I said above….Id still be pisssed if they played McDavid under these circumstances so I cant really criticize your concern.

  141. godot10 says:

    Pouzar: I like Chubb then QB…but I would seriously consider trading out of #1 or #4 and stock piling more picks.

    The Browns should take Barkley at #1 and a quarterback at #4.

  142. --hudson-- says:

    Klefbom’s interview. Most of it is consistent with Todd’s availability. However he doesn’t really seem to know his timeline or plans for offseason training as yet.

    Source video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NKxBgzfgtU
    ————————————————–
    Q: … this procedure was for, what it told you, what decision you made now?
    A: It was just obviously, it’s gonna be tough for us to make the playoffs, so if I’m gonna do something, now is the time to do it. Obviously I don’t want to go through what I did this season with my shoulder. It’s gonna be a big year for me and this team, hopefully next year. So I want to be 100% come in and now it’s the time to get my shoulder repaired.

    Q: Why do you feel… I mean you are going to be shut down for the year after this procedure, so obviously it’s serious enough. Why do you want to keep playing until the surgery?
    A: Honestly, I want to be there for my teammates right and I’ve been having this issue for a long time, so, and I’ve been… I mean every player’s having bumps and bruises right, and I just want to play through it, and I’ve been playing with this injury for many years. So that’s not gonna stop me and I want to, I want to be there on the ice with the guys, and help them out the best way I can, and until the procedure I want to be on the ice and help them.

    Q: How is this injury different than the surgery you had {inaudible}…?
    A: I don’t know, I don’t really know the medical terms, or what’s wrong, and I just need, it needs to be repaired, and now it’s a good time to do it. So, I don’t really know what’s going on, medical in there, but the only thing I told it’s a good time to do it now, and I want to get it repaired, and be hundred percent to next season.

    Q: When you’re playing, did you have to turn your body so you don’t get {inaudible}…?
    A: Yeah, obviously it’s, I was obviously affected, and I’m not happy how I been playing this season, and I don’t want to have any excuses because, like I said, every player has some bumps and bruises and I want to be out there to help the best I can. But this is the fair wave to my body and like I said, I want to be 100% coming into the next season and focusing on that one.

    Q: How does this affect your offseason training?
    A: I don’t know yet, so we’ll see stuff, it’s tough to say right now. I have a couple meetings, I guess, with the medical staff and see what’s going on, and what the plan is for the summer. So we’ll see.

    Q: What do you think the positive impact could be on your game by getting this done? Like is it shot, what do you think it can help most?
    A: A little bit everything, I think. Obviously it’s been, it’s been a lot better after that injection I had Christmas time I think. But that’s just a matter of time before that problem is going to come back, right, so this is a better solution, and especially now with this time of year, and the situation we are in. It’s a good time to make this surgery and hopefully it’s going to help the shoulder, once for all, and I should be hundred percent.

  143. leadfarmer says:

    Professor Q:
    leadfarmer,

    Okay. I guess we’ll see.

    Nice ad hominem deflection by the way (good ol’ “Do you even play?!” argument). Just because I am using a computer to communicate with you at the moment and just because I’m not in the exact situation as Klefbom doesn’t mean I can’t wonder what the heck is going on with Edmonton and said situation, negative or otherwise.

    Playing with said injury and possibly making it worse is always an unwise choice. With a team that has a history of doing so…

    Even if Klef *insisted* he wants to play, Edmonton, its doctors and otherwise, has the end of the buck and can veto said decision, making a long term healing and prognosis decision for everyone involved.

    All medical decisions should be between a patient and their doctor. Employer should be nowhere near the equation.
    What would your response be if you needed gallbladder surgery and your boss said you have to do it now before the busy season or no you can’t have surgery now it’s our busy season. Doesn’t work like that You tell him you need surgery and fill out leave paperwork

    So once again it’s between Klef and his doctor what happens

  144. --hudson-- says:

    OmJo: Did he say this with a straight face?

    Yes he did. I guess it is safe to say, the “response” is the coaches desire. It’s funny how for years, the MSM said we needed to get bigger to that when the Kings, Ducks or Blues came to town we had some deterrents. Now we have the deterrents that are coached not to respond in a close game and the MSM says we need the “speed” that we traded away.

  145. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    who: No need to apologize to me.
    I actually liked the bets on the young wingers this year. Hasn’t worked out but at least some of that is on the coaches. Hard to win a job when you’re in the press box or playing 4th line minutes.
    The only mistake he made last summer was buying out Pouliot AND trading Eberle. One of these moves would have been enough.
    I think the coach forced his hand on Poulloit. Maybe Chia panicked with Eberle. Or maybe Strome was the best offer he could get.I know Eberle is putting up numbers again this year but he looks like the same player to me. I think he has been riding Barzals coattails most of the year but he would certainly fill a hole in our top 6 right now.

    – fun fact. Last year heading into March ebs had 14 goals.

    – all three of pool Strome and jar are in that range – 12 for Strome and 11 each from pool and Khaira

    – none of them were given the line mates that ebs had.

    – a hatty from any of those three players and they replace ebs production

    – jar pool and strome all scoring goals at the same rate as ebs with less time with Conner or drai is huge development this year

  146. Professor Q says:

    godot10: The Browns should take Barkley at #1 and a quarterback at #4.

    I think this would be a mistake. Choose your QB at #1 and have it be your choice, not a choice made for you.

    Mayfield, Chubb/McGlinchey (trade back a few spots), then Guice/Chubb/Michel in the 2nd.

  147. Andy Dufresne says:

    Gayfish: Always happy to help a stupid person learn.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Sixth_Man_of_the_Year_Award

    Yeah…..the Seattle Seahawks like to reward their 12th man….they fly his flag….they even retired his number…..but they still dont let him on the field

    Since its inception in 82-83 the sixth man award has been bestowed on a total of 30 players. Man, thats alot of teams playing one man down……doesnt seem fair……maybe it would make more sense if I was smarter.

  148. godot10 says:

    Professor Q: I think this would be a mistake. Choose your QB at #1 and have it be your choice, not a choice made for you.

    Mayfield, Chubb/McGlinchey (trade back a few spots), then Guice/Chubb/Michel in the 2nd.

    Barkley is a generational all-tool running back. None of the quarterbacks are generational. All have issues. One of Mayfield or Allen will be there at #4.

    Aside: Belichick is going to have to earn his money this year.

  149. Andy Dufresne says:

    OmJo: Did he say this with a straight face?

    Serious question. What part do you not get?

  150. digger50 says:

    –hudson–: Yes he did.I guess it is safe to say, the “response” is the coaches desire.It’s funny how for years, the MSM said we needed to get bigger to that when the Kings, Ducks or Blues came to town we had some deterrents.Now we have the deterrents that are coached not to respond in a close game and the MSM says we need the “speed” that we traded away.

    Thank you Hudson.

    For some time I have believed the lack of response has been a coaching decision. I was not so nice when I stated Todd ” locked up their balls” before the game. This is the closest confirmation so far that the coach has asked the guys to back off, though Im sure he phrased it as playing smart.

    And it is true we don’t need the penalties, but with some teams like the ducks, I think we have to make some statements before the wins will come.

    It also adds some credibility to coach and GM are out of sync. GM has provided roster players with skills the coach feels he does not need.

  151. Andy Dufresne says:

    OmJo: Can we please never talk about earning ice time with this team again, at least not for a few years? This whole idea is a farce with this organization and coaching staff. If it was about earning ice time,Lucic and Kassian would have been healthy scratches multiple times this year alone (2018).

    Khaira and Strome were trying out for bottom 6 roles. Puljujarvi is trying out for a top 6 role. The season is lost and he should be putin a position to develop for that top 6 role, either in the NHL or the AHL. “Earning” bottom6 ice time while playing in the bottom 6 is a lot easier than “earning” top 6 ice time while playing in the bottom 6. Especially on a team with as poor a depth as the Edmonton Oilers.

    You dont like the results with JJ and Strome?

  152. Leroy Draisdale says:

    A couple of observations. When Leon is on his game he is near unstoppable, has incredible vision and makes unreal passes. When he is not(like last night) he looks slow and tries to force passes(which makes him give the puck away at Lucic levels).
    I was disappointed at our response as well, not just in the moment but I felt we could have dialed up the physicality at that point. Where are the oilers of last year(Kassian running OEL then taking on all comers)?
    I would like to see these lines:
    RNH-McDavid-JP
    Lucic-Drai-Shleppy
    Cammileri-Strome-Kassian
    Pak/Drake/Malone-Jujar-Aberg

  153. Andy Dufresne says:

    Dustrock, Pink Socks, Professor Q. OMJO, JustWatt

    Any body care to follow up now that the facts on Klefboms injury status has been made clear?

    Crystal clear.

    Dustrock? OMJO?….Bueller?….Anyone?……

  154. ArmchairGM says:

    dustrock:
    Looking ahead to the draft, where do you guys see the following d-men:

    Ty Smith
    Hughes
    Bouchard
    Dobson
    Wilde

    I’ve seen people high on all these guys for different reasons, but I’m not sure I can find a real hard target for the Oilers, they frankly could use ANY of them.

    I roughly have it as: Smith & Hughes being the better skaters, and LHD shots.Fancy stats have them as scoring chance and entry machines.

    Bouchard and Dobson have more size and probably more shot, and have the RHD advantage.

    Wilde I don’t know too much about and I’ve seen him all over the place in the top 20.

    Anyone have a favorite?

    Great question. A brief analysis of leading scouting agencies has the consensus as follows:

    5 – Boqvist
    7 – Hughes
    8 – Dobson
    9 – Bouchard
    10 – Ty Smith
    14 – Wilde

    My personal belief is that Bouchard is a great non-Boqvist choice, as I think he’s possibly the most physically NHL-ready defense prospect in the draft. I mean, the guy could grow a playoff beard that most 22-year-olds would envy. On the other side of the coin, maybe that early maturity means he’s having an easier time in the OHL, and his ceiling isn’t as high as some of the others, although he’s probably more of a sure thing. If he’s available at 9, you take him all day long. I would also rank him ahead of Dobson, Smith and Wilde, but behind Boqvist and Hughes. If picking for the Oilers I would probably take him ahead of Hughes just due to handedness.

  155. Andy Dufresne says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – fun fact. Last year heading into March ebs had 14 goals.

    – all three of pool Strome and jar are in that range – 12 for Strome and 11 each from pool and Khaira

    – none of them were given the line mates that ebs had.

    – a hatty from any of those three players and they replace ebs production

    – jar pool and strome all scoring goals at the same rate as ebs with less time with Conner or drai is huge development this year

    Nice. Thank .you. Perspective…..its a thing

  156. Professor Q says:

    godot10: Barkley is a generational all-tool running back.None of the quarterbacks are generational.All have issues. One of Mayfield or Allen will be there at #4.

    Aside:Belichick is going to have to earn his money this year.

    Except he isn’t an all-tool back. He’s a hybrid reciever back, which Cleveland already has in Duke Johnson (whom they are extending), and has issues with Yards After Contact (he also avoids the inside and contact, and runs outside routes, mostly). Such has been much of the criticism of him.

    Not worth #1 nor even #4 when there are RBs who better fit the Browns in the 2nd and 3rd (and are just as good if not better). Dorsey likes RBs in those rounds, and later. And you have a RB for maybe 4-7 years. Maybe a bit longer with less performance. But not likely. A Franchise QB can hopefully be on your team for 10-18 years.

    They’ve also just signed Carlos Hyde, whom I don’t know much about, admittedly. But it seems like FA and trade focus has been skill positions like DB, RB, WR, even veteran QB, on D and O. And shoring up the DE and TE positions, and RT.

    Lots of room for the draft, of course. It’s über exciting.

    Guaranteed there will be a plethora of opinions, just like for Edmonton’s draft choices.

  157. JimmyV1965 says:

    Andy Dufresne: Agreed.A little creativity would be a good thing……Id take some luck as well……a pick in the top 8…..and whatever dump of salaries(Montoya, Sleppy, Caggs, Cammalleri, Pak, Fayne comes of the books, cap goes up etc)we grab a legit backup for Talbot and a free agent forward or RHD.

    If you had to choose one of

    KlefbomHoffman
    or
    NugeBarrie

    sound like you would choose Klefbom Hoffman

    Im leaning the other way.

    I would take Klef-Hoffman over RNH-Barrie. But there’s no way I trade a 25 goal RNH at C for a 30 goal Hoffman at LW. And I’m not trading Klef for Barrie. His contract is just too good and you’re trading him after a horrible year. Having said that, I might do the deals if I get a significant prospect added to the deals. I would much rather trade RNH and a prospect for an even better player.

  158. Professor Q says:

    And now back to hockey.

    Defeat the Sharks. McDavid deserves a hat trick and two assists tonight.

    Make it so, Hockey Universe.

  159. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Andy Dufresne: Nice. Thank .you. Perspective…..its a thing

    – yeah chia gets killed for moving out a 6mm guy and in return 3 guys put up similar numbers

    – and none of them need to play with the studs to do so.

    – this was the plan. The narrative of the team missing ebs goals isn’t supported by reality

    – yes they need a winger to stick with drai and mcd but ebs goals aren’t what is ailing this team and in his absence others are just as good and in lesser positions.

    – finding wingers for mcd and drai is the easy part imo Having three internal guys who score vs one 6mm is way better.

  160. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    frjohnk:
    Since Christmas, which is over 40% of the season. Lucic has a 0.65 pts/60.

    Maybe the Oilers should play him with McDavid or Draisaitl.

    Vicious Padre.

  161. Andy Dufresne says:

    JimmyV1965: I would take Klef-Hoffman over RNH-Barrie. But there’s no way I trade a 25 goal RNH at C for a 30 goal Hoffman at LW.And I’m not trading Klef for Barrie. His contract is just too good and you’re trading him after a horrible year. Having said that, I might do the deals if I get a significant prospect added to the deals. I would much rather trade RNH and a prospect for an even better player.

    My number one priority would be a G Backup

    Ive always like Halak. Hes been a good starter and I think he would make an above average backup.

    2014 .914
    2015 .919
    2016 .915
    2017 .908

    The 908 is on a very shitty defensive team.

    Hes only 2 years older than Talbot.

    Of course we need him on a Value contract…..which I have no idea is the right number (maybe 2ish)

    Not saying hes the only option or even the best option…..but someone like him.

  162. Andy Dufresne says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Vicious Padre.

    WG,

    If you were to get rid of Montoya, which couple of G’s would you target as a backup for Talbot?

  163. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    To use a narrative that runs rampant at times on this site………..Is Lucic being “Schultz’ed” by the fans and media in this town?

    Lucic is an anchor….no doubt…..so let hm anchor the third line for awhile.

    Pretty sure Lucic is the impetus there.

    There is no player EDM fans and media lusted after more than Lucic over the past 10 years.

    Myself included.

    His results are what they are.

    Everyone should be pissed at Chiarelli for signing him but fans and media tend to dislike players because they aren’t who they hope(d) they’d be rather then the guy who tied the player to the org.

  164. digger50 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – yeah chia gets killed for moving out a 6mm guy and in return 3 guys put up similar numbers

    – and none of them need to play with the studs to do so.

    – this was the plan. The narrative of the team missing ebs goals isn’t supported by reality

    – yes they need a winger to stick with drai and mcd but ebs goals aren’t what is ailing this team and in his absence others are just as good and in lesser positions.

    – finding wingers for mcd and drai is the easy part imo Having three internal guys who score vs one 6mm is way better.

    Kinger I just cant buy it.

    Eberle himself was not the problem last year nor the solution to this year. He was part of a series of moves that drained skilled talent.

    Strome. Khaira and Jessie have been pulling their weight, and contributing well given their placement and use on the roster – this a good thing

    But its not enough.

    If wingers are easy to get, where are our wingers? There doesn’t seem to be any in sight right now.

    I believe the numbers show that goals against has been a bigger issue. Leads us towards defencemen, defensive systems, penalty kill and goaltending. If we replace one player we should get a better result. If we replace the coach we may get a substantial result. (my opinion)

    If all was fixed in the back end, we would still have a lack of talent up front. The Oilers “should” have seen this coming. You can argue given the end of the season it was worth taking a chance on the present roster, plus Jussi. That seems like wishful thinking now. It was not a smart bet given the Conner factor and the surprise playoff run. This being not so smart bet is becoming a pattern.

    This pattern leads me to believe that wingers will not be easy to get by this manager. And they might be at a cost that is also not so smart.

    What I don’t understand is how you want to defend the past, yet Im not sure if you are optimistic about the future. Given your position that this was “the plan” do you have full confidence that Peter fixes things or “continues his plan” over the summer? Where does his plan put us for next season?

  165. Ribs says:

    So Montoya gets his seven games.

  166. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Pink Socks:
    ————
    From TSN:

    Edmonton Oilers defencemanis in need of shoulder surgery, but his season isn’t over yet.

    Oilers head coach Todd McLellan said Klefbom will play Wednesday and could join the team for their —-upcoming four-game road trip before his surgery is scheduled.
    ————

    Am I the only one that views this as tremendously irresponsible?I admire the fact that Klef wants to play, good for him, but shut him down and give him extra time to be 100% for next season.A healthy 2016-2017 Klefbom would be a tremendous add to the team next season.Sending him out to perhaps mangle the shoulder even more in a disaster of a season is downright foolishness.

    As soon as the pretend playoff run was realistically over he should have gone. He said he s had the thing for 8! years. No secret to the team. He could have gained an extra month or two recovery and come back much better.

    It’s almost like a maturity issue with the team. Grow up and make some tough calls. I doubt many players thought this season was going anywhere. they have to say the right things but aren’t fools. Klef’s health next season trumps this lost season.

    And yes put Nuge with Drai on McDavid’s wings and get that kid the trophy. Let the others play for their careers.

  167. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Andy Dufresne: You forgot the part where you run around shouting “The sky is falling The sky is falling”

    Sekera’s injury, Talbot tanking, Lack of quality PKers, (Collapse of special teams PK and PP) are the top three reasons for the Oilers collapse IMO. The three are all inter-related.

    But none of it is the fault of the guy who creates the PP/PK systems and none of it is the fault of the guy who put these players together.

    It’s the player’s fault for being injured, being who they are, not being able to score 40 feet from the net on the PP, and not being able to stop the puck on 2 on 1 from 10ft on the PK.

    Fuck those players!!!

  168. HT Joe says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – yeah chia gets killed for moving out a 6mm guy and in return 3 guys put up similar numbers
    – and none of them need to play with the studs to do so.
    – this was the plan. The narrative of the team missing ebs goals isn’t supported by reality
    – yes they need a winger to stick with drai and mcd but ebs goals aren’t what is ailing this team and in his absence others are just as good and in lesser positions.
    – finding wingers for mcd and drai is the easy part imo Having three internal guys who score vs one 6mm is way better.

    Wait.. Eberle ended last season with 20g, 51points.
    – Last year’s points totals are not indicative of Eberle as a player either… per 82 games, he has averaged 61 points per season.
    – Interestingly, Eberle’s goals per 82 over his entire career (including the playoffs) comes to 33.6 goals/82 (I’m surprised by these numbers… am I mistaken?)
    – JJ is on pace for 13.5goals by year’s end; JP is on pace for 13.8goals by year’s end; Strome is on pace for 14.3 goals.
    – JJ’s, JP’s and Strome’s goals/82 paces this season are 16.1, 17.3, and 14.3
    – Let’s not forget that the Oilers had JJ and JP before the Strome trade.

    So are you saying the following was Chia’s plan:
    (16 goal scorer + 17 goal scorer + 14 goal scorer + $3.5M cap space) > (16 goal scorer + 17 goal scorer + historic 33 goal scorer)

    That’s the plan?

    *EDIT* Also, don’t assists have value? Eberle’s 50+ points last year (in a down year) is much much better than every Oiler this year besides McD and Drai.

  169. Scungilli Slushy says:

    OmJo: Yes,all are inter-related to Peter Chiarelli.

    Sekera is injured, expected to miss a significant portion of the season? Let’s sign Russell rather than look for a real replacement!

    Talbot is struggling early on, and the head coach refuses to play the backup? Let’s sit by and watch, and then trade a 5/4th round pick for Montoya when the season is lost!

    The PK at home is historically the worst PK in the last century? Well, why would I want to stop the team from making history by making a coaching change or acquiring some useful penalty killers?

    Chiarelli’s inaction – as well as McLellan’s stubbornness – is the major reason we are in this situation.

    The Leafs are a great foil for the Oilers. Coaches from the Wings org, GMs leaving holes in the roster.

    A lot of young players and a weak D group. Injuries. Players struggling. Goalies an issue at times. The diff being the Leafs have more vet forwards ATM until the cap takes them.

    The curmudgeon has done much better than McL. Todd is not a bad coach but his style and his posse don’t seem to click with this roster.

    PC has made some odd roster decisions. One could easily make the argument it wasn’t the worst possible outcome to get another high draft pick in their eyes IMO. They better start losing a few more games though, and get into the better odds range and get the tie out.

  170. v4ance says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – fun fact. Last year heading into March ebs had 14 goals.

    – all three of pool Strome and jar are in that range – 12 for Strome and 11 each from pool and Khaira

    – none of them were given the line mates that ebs had.

    – a hatty from any of those three players and they replace ebs production

    – jar pool and strome all scoring goals at the same rate as ebs with less time with Conner or drai is huge development this year

    Fun Fact:
    Jordan Eberle Shooting Percentages Yearly:

    2010-2011 11.4
    2011-2012 18.9
    2012-2013 12.0
    2013-2014 14.0
    2014-2015 13.1
    2015-2016 14.5
    2016-2017 9.6 <– traded after this year
    2017-2018 15.0
    Career 13.5%

    Cherry picking stats works better when you look at the big picture

  171. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    digger50,

    – My line in the sand would be:

    1) First quarter of the season for Coach
    2) This off-season, draft, trade deadline and playoff result for Chia

    – Between Pool, Strome, Jar, Kailer, Lucic, new guy, RNH, Drai, McD: strong scoring next year

    – A PP that has at least league average opportunities, and average results

    – A starting goalie who if he sucks (again), a back-up they trust = league average

    – Not all-world worst PK (better last while)

    – Healthy 2 out of 3 Klef, Larsson, Sek

    – Probably one D move (becasue it takes too much balls to keep same group)

    – One guy to gel with McD or Drai that doens’t break the bank

    – Some new coaching (a Martin type former head coach hire to come in on bench with different perspective)

    – Some of the above happens next year and we are 100 point team, and playoff bound

    – If none of the above happen: yikes

    – At least 2nd round playoffs next year.

    – Montreal, St-Louis, NYR, Chicago, Anaheim, Ottawa were also all 100 pointish teams last year, none of them are making the playoffs this year. That’s 7 good teams

    – It’s not an excuse: we sucked this year, but sh$t happens, this is NHL hockey: retool, move on

    – The loss of Eberle and Pou does not explain this season. All of Strome, Pool and Jar have similar goal totals

  172. Mike says:

    Woodguy v2.0: But none of it is the fault of the guy who creates the PP/PK systems and none of it is the fault of the guy who put these players together.

    It’s the player’s fault for being injured, being who they are, not being able to score 40 feet from the net on the PP, and not being able to stop the puck on 2 on 1 from 10ft on the PK.

    Fuck those players!!!

    HT Joe: Wait.. Eberle ended last season with 20g, 51points.
    – Last year’s points totals are not indicative of Eberle as a player either… per 82 games, he has averaged 61 points per season.
    – Interestingly, Eberle’s goals per 82 over his entire career (including the playoffs) comes to 33.6 goals/82 (I’m surprised by these numbers… am I mistaken?)
    – JJ is on pace for 13.5goals by year’s end; JP is on pace for 13.8goals by year’s end; Strome is on pace for 14.3 goals.
    – JJ’s, JP’s and Strome’s goals/82 paces this season are 16.1, 17.3, and 14.3
    – Let’s not forget that the Oilers had JJ and JP before the Strome trade.

    So are you saying the following was Chia’s plan:
    (16 goal scorer + 17 goal scorer + 14 goal scorer + $3.5M cap space) > (16 goal scorer + 17 goal scorer + historic 33 goal scorer)

    That’s the plan?

    in favour of having a 16 goal scorer, a 17 goal scorer, a 14 goal scorer, instead of a

    Ya Mr andy dufresne your many many ridiculous posts and highjack of the board along with such irrational defence of chia. I don’t think your trolling just stupid.

  173. Scungilli Slushy says:

    v4ance: Fun Fact:
    Jordan Eberle Shooting Percentages Yearly:

    2010-2011 11.4
    2011-2012 18.9
    2012-2013 12.0
    2013-2014 14.0
    2014-2015 13.1
    2015-2016 14.5
    2016-2017 9.6 <– traded after this year
    2017-2018 15.0
    Career13.5%

    Cherry picking stats works better when you look at the big picture

    This dip makes me wonder if once Todd got his systems in place more firmly that it isn’t the cause of players tanking in production.

    Are the Oilers lesser players who seem to have some skill, skating and vision really that much worse than the other teams? I just find that hard to believe.

    I think we have a Johnston / Sullivan situation here. Especially considering the best offensive player the league has seen in years can’t seem to score like he should. He should be killing the league even if the rest don’t and the team loses. Only one line on the ice at a time.

  174. HT Joe says:

    Mike:
    Ya Mr andy dufresne your many many ridiculous posts and highjack of the board along with such irrational defence of chia. I don’t think your trolling just stupid.

    No need to get personal. Arguing the pros and cons of MacT and Chia is one of the most entertaining aspects of being an Oilers fan when the on-ice product (excluding McDavid) is so disappointing. I love Andy’s and Kinger_Oil.Redux’s contributions to this blog.

    *EDIT* I meant TMac and not MacT. I won’t have to argue the pros and cons of MacT unless he is promoted or moved into a position of greater prominence (*shudders*)

  175. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Buddy:
    I was at the game last night, first time I’ve seen McDavid live. Wow! Watching on TV doesn’t do him justice. Lots of Oilers fans there, although we never really got to demonstrate just how many there were since the boys never scored.

    Pretty neat to see just how scared McDavid has other teams’ fans now.There was an audible gasp in the crowd every time he got the puck with speed. One play in particular summed it up. In the 2nd period McDavid went up the middle 1 on 2 against the Flames D, and had the puck poke-checked away. The crowd cheered as if they had just killed off a 5 minute penalty, simply for stopping him on what for any normal player was a complete non-chance!

    The crowd lost it completely at Hamilton’s interference penalty at the end. In a way I actually understood their displeasure, since that was nothing compared to what their players had gotten away with earlier in the game.

    Despite the obvious issues with the Oilers on display last night, they could easily have won with a bit of luck. I’d seen Smith working out on the weekend, by chance my daughter’s ringette team were practising next to where he was working out with some of the Flames coaches. He looked good to my eye, so it’ didn’t surprise me that he played like he did.

    One final note: Bear can really thread the needle with his passes. I hope the Oilers find the inner strength to let him play in the AHL next year.

    Awesome trip report.

    Thanks!

  176. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    dustrock:
    The thought of the team allowing an injured Klefbom to play in a write-off year is just hilarious to me.

    *Sheldon Souray sheds a single tear*

  177. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    v4ance: Fun Fact:
    Jordan Eberle Shooting Percentages Yearly:

    2010-2011 11.4
    2011-2012 18.9
    2012-2013 12.0
    2013-2014 14.0
    2014-2015 13.1
    2015-2016 14.5
    2016-2017 9.6 <– traded after this year
    2017-2018 15.0
    Career13.5%

    Cherry picking stats works better when you look at the big picture

    – Hey I’m just pointing out that compared to Ebs 3 guys are scoring y-t-d same: thought it was interesting and gave some perspective to “how much we miss Ebs”

    – None have Ebs scoring pedigree. But Ebs from last year has been replaced: we don’t miss that Ebs. It’s cherry picking for sure,but its factual

    – And sure assists count: and give them ebs teamates, they would have more assists, non?

    – Ebs is a good secondary scorer: his new team isn’t making the playoffs either, despite his best year

  178. Professor Q says:

    HT Joe: No need to get personal.Arguing the pros and cons of MacT and Chia is one of the most entertaining aspects of being an Oilers fan when the on-ice product (excluding McDavid) is so disappointing.I love Andy’s and Kinger_Oil.Redux’s contributions to this blog.

    *EDIT* I meant TMac and not MacT.I won’t have to argue the pros and cons of MacT unless he is promoted or moved into a position of greater prominence (*shudders*)

    Part Owner.

  179. HT Joe says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – Hey I’m just pointing out that compared to Ebs 3 guys are scoring y-t-d same: thought it was interesting and gave some perspective to “how much we miss Ebs”
    – None have Ebs scoring pedigree.But Ebs from last year has been replaced: we don’t miss that Ebs.It’s cherry picking for sure,but its factual
    – And sure assists count: and give them ebs teamates, they would have more assists, non?
    – Ebs is a good secondary scorer: his new team isn’t making the playoffs either, despite his best year

    – I’m not arguing you pointing out scoring y-t-d. I’m arguing yeah “chia gets killed for moving out a 6mm guy and in return 3 guys put up similar numbers” and “this was the plan”
    – Ebs goal-scoring will be replaced if Strome hits 20goals. The Oilers had JJ and JP before the trade.
    – Ebs historic production is first-line.
    – I don’t think you’re really trying to argue that the Islanders are going to miss the playoffs because of Eberle, but that’s kind of how your last bullet point reads at first blush.

  180. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – fun fact. Last year heading into March ebs had 14 goals.

    – all three of pool Strome and jar are in that range – 12 for Strome and 11 each from pool and Khaira

    – none of them were given the line mates that ebs had.

    – a hatty from any of those three players and they replace ebs production

    – jar pool and strome all scoring goals at the same rate as ebs with less time with Conner or drai is huge development this year

    Let’s all wave our hands and discount 6 years of results and just concentrate on the outlier year.

  181. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Andy Dufresne: WG,

    If you were to get rid of Montoya, which couple of G’s would you target as a backup for Talbot?

    Haven’t looked lately

  182. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Andy Dufresne: Nice. Thank .you. Perspective…..its a thing

    Removing all the results that show how shitty a decision was is a thing too.

  183. pts2pndr says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    Andy Dufresne,

    Nothing has really changed except some d men are getting healthy. No real addition or subtractions re players. The team with a very different player deployment seems to be more effective. You might include coaching slow to adjust a very real cause. Jusrt saying!

  184. Andy Dufresne says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Pretty sure Lucic is the impetus there.

    There is no player EDM fans and media lusted after more than Lucic over the past 10 years.

    Myself included.

    His results are what they are.

    Everyone should be pissed at Chiarelli for signing him but fans and media tend to dislike players because they aren’t who they hope(d) they’d be rather then the guy who tied the player to the org.

    Fair. Very valid point about biases. I like Chia so I tend towards blaming the player. The reality is both parties bear some responsibility.

    Whats also fair IMO is that this story is still playing out in real time. Maybe Lucic rebounds to 70% of expectations…….maybe Chia moves him in two years….

    Im a realist so I acknowledge based on what know today it was a bad signing. How bad only time will tell.

    But if the Big guy scores the winning goal of game 7 of next years Stanley…history may choose to tell the story differently.

  185. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Reading around about PP woes, it’s probay because they Oilers don’t attack the net enough.

    Players don’t drive the net and attack the D and goalie outside of Connor and occasionally Drai.

    Players that can’t skate can’t do that much unless complete beasts. It’s why Barzal is succeeding.

    Again I wonder if it’s a system thing?

    Players need to be hungry to score while doing the rest.

    I thought about this when I heard Casey of the Raptors mentioning his direction of them given the year and mentioning how they had to do this and that, but produce.

    Too many Oilers don’t produce.
    ** I meant drawing penalties

  186. Andy Dufresne says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Haven’t looked lately

    Youre confident Talbot will rebound?

  187. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    HT Joe,

    – Ebs has been a 1st line winger scorer for sure

    – Last year he wasn’t scoring at a 1st line clip

    – We haven’t found another 1st line winger yet

    – But last year we did well with Ebs scoring at the same clip as all of Strome Jar and Pool y-t-d

    – While we need a first line W, last year Ebs wasn’t that, and three guys score at the same rate as Ebs did last year y-t-d, none who play on the first line

    – Anyway I just found it interesting. Part of the plan was to find cheaper internal scoring. While none of pool jar or Srome are at Ebs historical score levels, they have stepped up IMO

  188. Andy Dufresne says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Removing all the results that show how shitty a decision was is a thing too.

    You can choose to ignore one set of results, we can choose to ignore a different set of results.

    Thats the beauty of the internet.

  189. pts2pndr says:

    HT Joe: No need to get personal.Arguing the pros and cons of MacT and Chia is one of the most entertaining aspects of being an Oilers fan when the on-ice product (excluding McDavid) is so disappointing.I love Andy’s and Kinger_Oil.Redux’s contributions to this blog.

    *EDIT* I meant TMac and not MacT.I won’t have to argue the pros and cons of MacT unless he is promoted or moved into a position of greater prominence (*shudders*)

    XmMacT still has the most memorable moment to me of all Oilers coaches.Who will ever forget the Harvey the hound epidode. I still see it like it was yesterday!

  190. Pouzar says:

    godot10: The Browns should take Barkley at #1 and a quarterback at #4.

    RBs are a dime a dozen. No way would I draft a RB #1 overall in a passing league.

  191. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    HT Joe: – I’m not arguing you pointing out scoring y-t-d.I’m arguing yeah “chia gets killed for moving out a 6mm guy and in return 3 guys put up similar numbers” and “this was the plan”
    – Ebs goal-scoring will be replaced if Strome hits 20goals.The Oilers had JJ and JP before the trade.
    – Ebs historic production is first-line.
    – I don’t think you’re really trying to argue that the Islanders are going to miss the playoffs because of Eberle, but that’s kind of how your last bullet point reads at first blush.

    It also ignores the fact that EDM’s 5v5 goal totals last year shouldn’t be held out as “the bar’ to cross.

    FFS last year, The Golden Year this goddam team scored 1.98 GF/60 5v5 when 97 wasn’t on the ice, that would be 24th in the NHL.

    McDavid has clouded how much talent this team has lost.

  192. v4ance says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    Sorry Kinger. I re-read my comment and I thiink I came off snippier than I meant to be. Apologies.

    Personal Note:

    Working a function tonight with guest speakers Mike Vernon and Marty Gelinas. Organizers wanted me to set up a TV with best Battle of Alberta Brawl highlights on loop as a “discussion point”

  193. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Andy Dufresne: Youre confident Talbot will rebound?

    Talbot has two seasons with cold starts as the #1, this gig being his big chance. He cannot be trusted next season without a solid backup whatever the issues. The team can’t win without goaltending and the season is lost at the front end. Monty isn’t good enough as we’ve seen and he’s career shows.

    I bet they liked him as a former first round pick and hoped he’d find form. Failed again!

  194. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Chiarelli’s biggest free agent contracts are Lucic and Russell.

    Chiarelli defenders explain that Lucic can be a compliance buyout in 2020 and that Russell’s NMC isn’t as onerous in 2 years.

    Maybe add “Peter can drive by himself” to the things he’s good at it too.

  195. HT Joe says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    HT Joe,
    – Ebs has been a 1st line winger scorer for sure
    – Last year he wasn’t scoring at a 1st line clip
    – We haven’t found another 1st line winger yet
    – But last year we did well with Ebs scoring at the same clip as all of Strome Jar and Pool y-t-d
    – While we need a first line W, last year Ebs wasn’t that, and three guys score at the same rate as Ebs did last year y-t-d, none who play on the first line
    – Anyway I just found it interesting.Part of the plan was to find cheaper internal scoring.While none of pool jar or Srome are at Ebs historical score levels, they have stepped up IMO

    – During Ebs’ worst year, he wasn’t producing at a 1st line clip, but he is this year (on pace for 28g, 28a)
    – The Oiler’s haven’t found another 1st line winger, but what sucks is they had one.
    – I guess where I’m going is that the Oilers had a 1st line winger with a poor year, and turned him into a 3rd line centre. It wasn’t a good move then despite Ebs relatively poor year last year, and it’s still a poor move when he’s back to a rate of scoring nearly 30g. Trading a one-for-one while losing skills seems to be Chia’s calling card… not good.
    – I agree that JJ and JP have stepped up a bit… I hope they keep going.

  196. Scungilli Slushy says:

    v4ance:
    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    Sorry Kinger.I re-read my comment and I thiink I came off snippier than I meant to be.Apologies.

    Personal Note:

    Working a function tonight with guest speakers Mike Vernon and Marty Gelinas.Organizers wanted me to set up a TV with best Battle of Alberta Brawl highlights on loop as a “discussion point”

    Woodguy will pay your bills if you lose your job. I haven’t asked him.

  197. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Andy Dufresne: You can choose to ignore one set of results, we can choose to ignore a different set of results.

    Thats the beauty of the internet.

    Sure, if you want.

  198. Andy Dufresne says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Let’s all wave our hands and discount 6 years of results and just concentrate on the outlier year.

    You talking about about your criticism of Lucic?

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