G73 2017-18: Oilers at Hurricanes

The Edmonton Oilers continue the auditions—Ethan Bear, Ty Rattie, Pontus Aberg when they find him—as we all wait for possible front office and coaching moves that may come after the schedule completes. We’re just a little over one month from the draft lottery and Edmonton can still catch a couple of teams in the overall standings. Trade options continue to be discussed, although the options out (Nuge, Klefbom, Puljujarvi, 2018 first-round pick) are much too dear. There’s so much up in the air it’s impossible to find clarity now, at this time of year. Perhaps the auditions will change the equation.

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CAROLINA IN MY MIND, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • March 2016: 5-4-0, goal differential -2 (10 points)
  • March 2017: 6-2-1, goal differential +13 (13 points)
  • March 2018: 4-4-1, goal differential -1 (9 points)
  • March 18, 2016: Edmonton 2, Vancouver 0 (Source)
  • March 23, 2017: Edmonton 7, Colorado 4 (Source)

The 2016 and 2017 teams had a nice run through the middle of March, this year’s team will try to keep pace with the first McLellan group. Oscar Klefbom is lost for the rest of the season, Dillon Simpson has been recalled and we’ll see what the lineups bring us later today.

AFTER 72, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers 15-16: 27-38-7, goal differential -49 (61 points)
  • Oilers 16-17: 39-24-9, goal differential +31 (87 points)
  • Oilers 17-18: 31-36-5, goal differential -33 (67 points)
  • March 16, 2016: Edmonton 6, St. Louis 4 (Source)
  • March 22, 2017: Anaheim 4, Edmonton 3 (Source)

The 2015-16 team won their G73, winning the 28th game of the season. Edmonton’s team of a year ago lost, but would compile 16 more points in the final nine games of the year. Amazing. The 15-16 gang would go 4-5-1 in the final 10, to finish 31-43-8, 70 points. The 16-17 crew wrecked everyone, finishing 8-2-0 on the way to 47-26-9, 103 points.

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM MARCH

  • At home to: Nashville, NY Rangers, Arizona, NY Islanders, Minnesota (Expected 2-3-0) (Actual 3-2-0)
  • On the road to: Calgary (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • At home to: San Jose (Expected 0-0-1) (Actual 0-0-1)
  • On the road to: Florida, Tampa Bay, Carolina, Ottawa (Expected 1-2-1) (Actual 1-1-0)
  • At home to: Los Angeles, Anaheim, Columbus (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Vancouver, Calgary (Expected 1-0-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 6-7-3, 15 points in 16 games
  • Current results: 4-4-1, 9 points in nine games

We didn’t have these discussions a year ago, and hopefully won’t have another chance to watch Oilers at the WHC’s until 2030 or so. That said, it should be entertaining to see McDavid and company play at the international level. No Olympics for NHL players makes this a bigger event.

THE BUTTON LIST

Craig Button’s latest draft list is out and there’s plenty of movement. Button’s appeal is that he has his own mind, he’s a scout and so the list compiled resembles no one else. His scouting background means we’re basically getting a free scouting director’s list and for me there’s a great deal of value there. Here’s my top 10 and where he ranks them:

  1. LD Rasmus Dahlin, Frolunda (SHL). Button also ranks him No. 1. Universal top pick.
  2. R Andrei Svechnikov, Barrie Colts (OHL). Button has him No. 3.
  3. L Filip Zadina, Halifax Mooseheads (QMJHL). Ranks No. 4 on Button list.
  4. LD Ty Smith, Spokane Chiefs (WHL). No. 19 on Button’s latest ranking.
  5. RD Adam Boqvist, Brynas (SuperElite). No. 6 for Craig Button.
  6. R Oliver Wahlstrom, U.S. N. D. P. (USHL). Pure scorer is No. 9 on Button list.
  7. LD Quinn Hughes, Michigan (NCAA). No. 12 for Button.
  8. L Brady Tkachuk, Boston University (NCAA). Button has him at No. 2 overall.
  9. LC Jacob Olofsson, Timra (Allsvenskan). Speedy center No. 21 on Button list.
  10. RD Evan Bouchard, London Knights (OHL). No. 5 on Craig’s list.

This is a big release, Button has his ducks pretty much in order based on his own past. International tournaments will inspire some movement from the Europeans and some of the CHL kids will spike with strong playoffs. We’re getting close now.

OILERS CURRENT PICKS FOR 2018

  • First Round—No. 7 overall
  • Second Round—No. 38 overall
  • Third Round—No. 69 overall
  • Fourth Round—No. 100 overall (Oilers acquired goaltender Al Montoya from the Montreal Canadiens in exchange for a conditional fourth-round pick in 2018. Montoya has now covered the condition. It is a fourth).
  • Fifth Round—No. 129 overall
  • Sixth Round—No. 160 overall
  • Seventh Round—No. 191 overall

I believe the Oilers will prefer to take a forward at No. 7. Button’s ‘best available’ at the number includes sniper Oliver Wahlstrom and skill center Jesperi Kotkaniemi. I could see one or both being selected. If the Oilers do take a defender, bet on a righty like Boqvist or Bouchard.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A busy morning, guests are fluid but we have a top drawer show heading your way at 10, TSN1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Jonathan Willis, The Athletic. We’ll chat about his Nuge article and what RNH’s value might be.
  • Scott Cullen, TSN. Good teams are going to miss the playoffs, should the NHL tweak the playoff format?

Plus a couple of very cool guests have yet to confirm but I’m confident! 10-1260 text @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

 

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  1. OmJo says:

    Lowetide: Klefbom-Larsson
    Nurse-Russell
    Sekera-Benning

    I know it isn’t sexy but that’s a capable blue. If Bear continues to develop maybe the team can offload one of the veterans like Russell summer 2019 to make room. And if Sekera recovers you can put him with Russell on the second pair.

    Think the Oilers might go something like

    Nurse-Larsson
    Sekera-RH Klefbom replacement
    Russell-Benning

    with Bear the #1 call up.

    The late season struggles of Nurse might be a good thing in the long run. 1) it might make him more affordable this summer and 2) it might make the team weary of trading Klefbom.

    I would much prefer your plan.

  2. OmJo says:

    There are two Sebastien Aho’s?

  3. Munny says:

    OV2!!

  4. Munny says:

    I was so-o-o happy Drai didn’t pass that to Caggiula

  5. OmJo says:

    Goals for everybody!

  6. Pouzar says:

    The 80s #OV2

  7. €√¥£€^$ says:

    Yes, my man OV2!!!!

  8. OmJo says:

    Can Aberg skip every practice? Lol.

  9. Pouzar says:

    Munny:
    I was so-o-o happy Drai didn’t pass that to Caggiula

    +1

  10. Munny says:

    Why is there a fucking ad across the ongoing play on the ice?

  11. Pouzar says:

    OmJo:
    Can Aberg skip every practice? Lol.

    We talkin PracTice maan!

  12. Bittersomfan says:

    OmJo,

    Yeah, one from Sweden and one from Finland.

  13. Munny says:

    Man I would be putting all the rubber I can on Darling.

  14. Spooky Lynx says:

    Hola’ Auvito

  15. Munny says:

    Drai from the Drai spot

  16. OmJo says:

    We want 10! We want 10!

  17. Munny says:

    Good shift by Pull Yer RV too

  18. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Munny:
    Why is there a fucking ad across the ongoing play on the ice?

    It’s happening… it’s finally happening man… ADS BETWEEN COMMERCIALS!!

  19. OilClog says:

    Puljujarvi drove that play, time for a promotion coach! Lol

  20. €√¥£€^$ says:

    Holy Moly, is this going to be a 10-6 game?

  21. Pouzar says:

    Some team is gonna get a heckuva player. #FreeJesse

  22. Spooky Lynx says:

    Jesse was a force on that shift. Great pass. Great finish by the Doctor.

  23. StixMalone says:

    Isn’t Darling supposed to be a goalie?

  24. rickithebear says:

    We need this, we need that, we should trade this, for that.
    Data says:
    Nurse and Klefbom stay in HD area and defend.
    We are competing for a playoff spot.

    PK: We run triangle in HD area forward top triangle with edge HD area forward fronting the puck with forwards alternating. We are in the playoffs

  25. StixMalone says:

    Now if only Looch can pot a few…..

  26. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Drai with a 4 point game…Oilers winning 6-3…
    meh…

    WHERE ARE THE MCPOINTS DAMMIT!!!

  27. OilClog says:

    Carolina should just move to Seattle and save expansion for when Anaheim can actually fill their lower bowl.

  28. Munny says:

    Crazy Pedestrian: It’s happening… it’s finally happening man… ADS WITHIN

    If it persists I will be cancelling my Sportsnet after the season. Awful product.

  29. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    €√¥£€^$:
    Holy Moly, is this going to be a 10-6 game?

    Let’s hope so…
    Let’s also hope that McDavid has points in all remaining goals!

  30. OilClog says:

    Munny: If it persists I will be cancelling my Sportsnet after the season. Awful product.

    Illegal streams on reddit FTW!

  31. AshetonisGod says:

    Nice olay Russell

  32. Pouzar says:

    Drai has been good tonight.
    I like him in OT.

  33. Zelepukin says:

    I hope Drai tops last year’s totals and with less than a 3rd PPP.

  34. Munny says:

    OilClog: Illegal streams on reddit FTW!

    Yup. I streamed for the two years before this one, I have no problems going back.

  35. godot10 says:

    StixMalone:
    Isn’t Darling supposed to be a goalie?

    Choked in the step up to #1. Cost Francis his authority. Maybe will cost Peters to.

  36. Wilde says:

    The Oilers are posting some fun games to watch recently.

    Matt Benning is really turning his season around.

  37. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Pouzar:
    Drai has been good tonight.
    I like him in OT.

    That would be EPIC if game went to OT tied at 9-9…

    Zelepukin:
    I hope Drai tops last year’s totals and with less than a 3rd PPP.

    This would also be epic… Maybe more epic?

    …Epic-er??

  38. godot10 says:

    rickithebear:
    We need this, we need that, we should trade this, for that.
    Data says:
    Nurse and Klefbom stay in HD area and defend.
    We are competing for a playoff spot.

    PK: We run triangle in HD area forward top triangle with edge HD area forward fronting the puck with forwards alternating. We are in the playoffs

    So would you agree it is a coaching problem?

  39. Wilde says:

    Aho-Teravainen are crushing the 97 line matchup

  40. Jaxon says:

    YKOil: Don’t necessarily agree with that.Seattle will probably come in on the same player protection plan as Vegas and they will be picking off of 2019-2020 rosters.A quick look at the possible 2019-2020 roster: McDavid, Draisaitl, Nugent-Hopkins, Lucic (NMC), Puljujarvi, Benson, Yamamoto and then Nurse, Larsson, Klefbom, Bear, Sekera (NMC), Russell (NMC) means that Edmonton is on the 4×4 plan again.

    Any decent player added via trade of the 2018 pick increases the cost of protecting the decent players let unprotected so, unless your goal is to mitigate risk by dumping Lucic, Russell and Sekera BEFORE the expansion draft (a tall order in my opinion), the easiest way to mitigate risk is to keep the 2018 pick and dump one of Sekera/Russell and, if possible, Lucic (still a hard task but doable).

    [side note: NOT a fan of playing Bear past 9 games, maybe I am missing something but this burns a year doesn’t it? Bring up Jones and give him 9 games instead.]

    Of interest, say the Oiler’s do win the golden ticket and draft Dahlin… do you play him right away and increase your expansion draft “costs” or do you hold him back a year or two to ensure he isn’t eligible?What am I saying… it’s the Oiler’s, of course they would play him immediately.

    I trend toward asset protection and asset-base build right now.Given I see the Sekera and Russell contracts as the biggest threat to the Oilers ability to protect/maximize/grow the asset base those are the assets I focus my trade efforts on. (Normally I would mention Lucic’s contract but… welll… that f&*king contract will need to be paired with a late 1st rounder or a compliance buy-out to be cleared so it isn’t even an option this year).

    Teams to look to trade with re: Sekera include (in order): Buffalo [Moulson], Montreal [Schlemko], Ottawa [MacArthur, eat salary], NY Islanders [eat salary], Columbus (eat salary) and maybe Carolina [Kruger].The info in the brackets indicate areas where the Oilers can play in order to increase trade return.

    Montreal, Buffalo, Ottawa and the NY Islanders absolutely need to improve their defenses, Columbus is looking a big turnover in their commitments on defense and Carolina is a possible play given Sekera once played there.

    The NMC’s are an issue but maybe Sekera is ready to move back east?

    Chia’s moves, dammit, depressing. F&*k.

    Russell and Sekera can be traded next summer, 1 year before the expansion draft. On July 1st 2019, Oilers can ask Russell to submit a 10 team trade list, and Sekera to submit a 15 team trade list.

    If they are traded away, then they only have to worry about protecting McDavid, Draisaitl, Nugent-Hopkins, Lucic, and Puljujarvi. Unknowns who they may want to consider protecting: Khaira, Slepyshev, Strome. They could choose to protect 7 forwards and 3 D. Larsson, Klefbom, Nurse. Expose Benning. Bear will need to be protected if he becomes worth it.

    Thankfully, Benson, Yamamoto, Samurakov, and Wells all slide to start next season and Safin and Maksimov contracts won’t’ start until next season so they won’t need protecting.

    They better not trade their 1st 3 draft picks this summer. Those will be huge with another expansion team coming in. If they move up and draft top 3 they will not only have an impact player on a cheap entry level contract but it will also be a player they don’t have to protect. If they get Dahlin, Boqvist, Bouchard or Dobson, then they won’t have to protect them.

    Trading Sekera, Russell and maybe Klefbom (if they get an impact RD) should possibly be for close-to-ready D who won’t have to be protected either.

    EDIT: PS – I may have these rules all wrong. Will whoever plays over 9 games next season (and 40 the season after) among Benson, Yamamoto, Maksimov, Safin, Samurakov, and Wells have to be protected? Uggh.

  41. Pouzar says:

    godot10: So would you agree it is a coaching problem?

    DING DING DING

  42. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Wilde:
    Aho-Teravainen are crushing the 97 line matchup

    Maybe the canes should switch to match them up against Drai’s Line.

    (That way McD will pick it up where Drai left off) 😃

  43. OmJo says:

    He should have said “beam me up, Scotty” rather than “Hello Scott, hello Scott?”

  44. Lowetide says:

    After Two

    6-3 Edmonton (4-2 that period!!!)
    Shots 27-23 Carolina (12-10 Carolina in the second)
    Corsi for 5×5: 31-30 Edmonton (18-15 Carolina in the second)

    This is a nutso game.

  45. JimmyV1965 says:

    OilClog: I never said better, I think he’s equally as talented for several of his own reasons which translate just as important to winning that Drai does.

    Do these 8 teams have the required pieces to send back? Are they willing to part with them? If that’s the sell, sell Draisaitl the return will be much more significant. And it’s pretty clear Nuge can more then fill the Drai role as it stands now.

    But you did say RNH is our second best player. At this point I don’t know what you’re arguing about. If you want, I can come up some trade ideas, but I don’t think they would be greeted honestly. Again, I love RNH, but he’s simply not as good as Drai. I’m shocked this even up for debate.

  46. €√¥£€^$ says:

    Good to see Bear back

  47. godot10 says:

    I hope they match-up Paajarvi vs Puljujarvi next game.

  48. New Improved Darkness says:

    Connor seems to be at a 16.7% points percentage in this one. Doubt that happens once every two years (not without a walk down the tunnel and a missed period, whether of twenty minutes or twenty games).

  49. Munny says:

    Pull Yer RV!!

  50. Pouzar says:

    Yes-He Did!

  51. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    mcPOINTZ!!

  52. New Improved Darkness says:

    Now 28.6% and possibly not done yet. Perhaps slightly less of a hen’s tooth than 16.7%, that’s hard to judge.

  53. Bittersomfan says:

    Darling still in the net after 7 goals? Thats evil!

  54. Munny says:

    Pouzar:
    Yes-He Did!

    I see what you did there

  55. Pescador says:

    Faulk looks like he won the gold medal at Buffet lympics

  56. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Bittersomfan:
    Darling still in the net after 7 goals? Thats evil!

    Canes gunna pull a Montreal???

  57. Munny says:

    Fuck you, Canes… for today and for 2006.

  58. godot10 says:

    Bittersomfan:
    Darling still in the net after 7 goals? Thats evil!

    Carolina has three more years of Darling at four big ones. Now that they are out, they gotta play him out of his funk. He is getting paid but he is responsible for people losing their jobs.

  59. jake70 says:

    just checking in……was not expecting this score.

    I was interested in Carolina’s (Hartford) overall record vs Oilers and actually found a site that lays it all out. Don’t know how accurate.

    http://mcubed.net/nhl/edm/car.shtml

    Warning…don’t look at June 2006.

    Funny result Feb 12 1984……ouch. Think Gretzky was hurt during that time.

  60. Pouzar says:

    Munny: I see what you did there

    😉

  61. Yeti says:

    Wilde: RNH-McDavid-Rattie

    Caggiula-Draisaitl-Aberg

    Lucic-Strome-Puljujarvi

    Slepyshev-Khaira-Pakarinen

    per Stauffer

    Three of these lines are going to get absolutely caved. Most heinous is giving Draisaitl that to work with instead of Slepyshev-Puljujarvi.

    Bummer.

  62. Professor Q says:

    “Trade Puljujärvi and Nuge RIGHT NOW!!!”

  63. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Just checked the box score again. Apparently mcdavid only got the one point…

    Boo…

  64. Professor Q says:

    Crazy Pedestrian:
    Just checked the box score again. Apparently mcdavid only got the one point…

    Boo…

    Don’t worry. Still became the 6th Oiler to get 2 straight 90 point seasons.

    Will likely have a good chance to get those 3-5 points in the next few games, too.

  65. Bling says:

    JP continues his aversion to non primary points at evens! Haha.

    Loved the little puck flip along the boards, the long curl, and then a tape-to-tape pass to Draisaitl. Wonderful finish by 29. And how about 98’s goal!?!?! This guy will be a special player.

    Good on Aberg as well. That can be a tough situation, mentally, missing a practice like that with a new team. Good on Todd for doling out an appropriate punishment, but then coming back to him and (again) putting him in a position to succeed.

  66. Pouzar says:

    Bling: Good on Aberg as well. That can be a tough situation, mentally, missing a practice

    Been outta da loop….what happened there?

  67. Bling says:

    Pescador:
    Faulk looks like he won the gold medal at Buffet lympics

    Yeah, he looked awful.

  68. Bling says:

    Pouzar,

    Aberg missed a practice and was made a healthy scratch. Rattie was called up and took his place on the top line.

    McLellan reinserted Aberg into the lineup on a scoring line.

  69. Pouzar says:

    Bling:
    Pouzar,

    Aberg missed a practice and was made a healthy scratch. Rattie was called up and took his place on the top line.

    McLellan reinserted Aberg into the lineup on a scoring line.

    Any reason given for missing practice?
    That’s not good.

  70. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    In Tucson watching Sharks’ farm team vs Yotes’ live. Sean Burke is in the house.

  71. ArmchairGM says:

    Pouzar:
    The 80s #OV2

    Auvitu seems to contribute every time he plays, so why is he in the pressbox so much?

  72. Munny says:

    Question for the group…

    My trivia peeps have requested heavy metal for the music component tomorrow night. Does Blue Cheer’s cover of Summertime Blues qualify as metal and if so, would you consider it the first metal song?

  73. Bling says:

    Pouzar,

    I don’t recall a reason being given; I think from McLellan’s tone, though, there wasn’t a very good one (probably slept-in or forgot).

  74. Pouzar says:

    ArmchairGM: Auvitu seems to contribute every time he plays, so why is he in the pressbox so much?

    We could do a lot worse that OV2 as a 7th/8th D-man for sure.

  75. Bling says:

    Lucic with 12 minutes of ice, Russell 4th in TOI amongst D (Nurse, Larsson, and Benning ahead of him), and no Letestu = playing players in roles where they can succeed, and playing your good players more than your bad players.

    Great ice-time allocation by McLellan tonight, and he had a tough job with Sekera and Klefbom both out.

    The Oilers will be much better next year by virtue of not having sub-replacement level players (Lucic and Letestu) in feature roles (fingers crossed).

  76. New Improved Darkness says:

    Teammate, text msg:

    Hey, Kuch, 7–3 for the Back Hoes!

    That’s east-coast rhyming slang for the Debacles (as in, Decade of).

    Kuch doesn’t know whether this signifies a quintuple, a quadruple, or just some minor open heart procedure, but he hyperventilates slightly for a couple of breaths, while he hotfoots his mobile over to the Back Hoe box score.

    Wooph, the baited bated breath goes out. Dodged a bullet, there! Just the ordinary footfall of a T1000 in persistence hunting mode.

    Nightmare averted.

  77. Bling says:

    Good news:

    Bob Stauffer tweeted that Klefbom had a strong final 4 months, is a very popular teammate, has a value contract, and is a “keeper moving forward.”

    The Oilers…are…keeping good players…*runs for cover*

  78. Rocknrolla says:

    Watching late on PVR….Did I just hear Valentin Zykov is leading the AHL in Goals with 32????

    Man alive, the bad news keeps on rolling. Anyone have a link to that crazy trade? I know LT measured it a couple times back, but we were still looking good?

    Thanks in advance…

  79. Pescador says:

    ArmchairGM: Auvitu seems to contribute every time he plays, so why is he in the pressbox so much?

    He’s a defender that doesn’t play defense very well on a team that’s defensively challenged
    I wouldn’t put a lot of stock in what you saw tonight
    Garbage time for both teams

  80. Pescador says:

    Rocknrolla,

    Oilers can’t trade for Faulk
    He’s too Fat!

  81. Bling says:

    Pescador,

    I like Auvitu a lot.

    Bottom line, you probably need to have 8 capable NHL dmen on your roster every season. OV2 is one of them, and hopefully they can hang on to him.

  82. Lowetide says:

    Munny:
    Question for the group…

    My trivia peeps have requested heavy metal for the music component tomorrow night.Does Blue Cheer’s cover of Summertime Blues qualify as metal and if so, would you consider it the first metal song?

    Hmmm. Is Zep metal? I’d probably go with Black Sabbath Paranoid but honestly don’t know if there’s a universally agreed one

  83. Pescador says:

    Bling:
    Lucic with 12 minutes of ice, Russell 4th in TOI amongst D (Nurse, Larsson, and Benning ahead of him), and no Letestu = playing players in roles where they can succeed, and playing your good players more than your bad players.

    Great ice-time allocation by McLellan tonight, and he had a tough job with Sekera and Klefbom both out.

    The Oilers will be much better next year by virtue of not having sub-replacement level players (Lucic andLetestu) in feature roles (fingers crossed).

    Hopefully you are correct,
    Shame that McLellan won’t be around to see it

  84. godot10 says:

    Rocknrolla:
    Watching late on PVR….Did I just hear Valentin Zykov is leading the AHL in Goals with 32????

    Man alive, the bad news keeps on rolling.Anyone have a link to that crazy trade?I know LT measured it a couple times back, but we were still looking good?

    Thanks in advance…

    The Oilers still have Slepyshev and the rights to Yakimov.

  85. Munny says:

    Lowetide: Hmmm. Is Zep metal? I’d probably go with Black Sabbath Paranoid but honestly don’t know if there’s a universally agreed one

    Supposedly they are metal, especially starting with II, but that’s 1970 IIRC. Zep, Sabbath and Deep Purple are allegedly the three pioneers of British heavy metal.

    Some of these bands had their feet planted in two (or more) fields. Purple was all over the place early on, and when I listen to Blue Crush’s Peace of Mind, the song of theirs I know the best, it sounds like psychedelic to me (but not acid rock).

    Jeff Beck’s Truth album gets some metal nods, but I have trouble reconciling Rod’s voice with heavy metal. And there’s definitely some art rock and straight up blues on that album.

    Some people say Cream too, but not sure I buy that one either.

  86. jp says:

    Munny:
    Question for the group…

    My trivia peeps have requested heavy metal for the music component tomorrow night.Does Blue Cheer’s cover of Summertime Blues qualify as metal and if so, would you consider it the first metal song?

    Lowetide: Hmmm. Is Zep metal? I’d probably go with Black Sabbath Paranoid but honestly don’t know if there’s a universally agreed one

    I’m not a metal historian, but I think LT nailed the answer. Paranoid would have been my pick as well, and I think Sabbath would be the clear #1 influence on 80’s metal bands.

    Scott Ian (Anthrax) once said “Tony Iommi (Sabbath) wrote every riff there was to write”. Huge and deserved compliment, Sabbath really was seminal.

  87. Munny says:

    jp:
    I’m not a metal historian, but I think LT nailed the answer. Paranoid would have been my pick as well, and I think Sabbath would be the clear #1 influence on 80’s metal bands.

    Scott Ian (Anthrax) once said “Tony Iommi (Sabbath) wrote every riff there was to write”. Huge and deserved compliment, Sabbath really was seminal.

    Without a doubt Sabbath was massive to the metal movement. But I think Blue Crush might have beat them to the punch as far as firsts go. And even Iommi had his influences… Hendrix was influencing everyone, including the first metalheads.

    Personally I liked Blackmore and Alvin Lee even more than Iommi, although I come from keyboards, not guitar.

    There will likely be a Sabbath song tomorrow regardless.

  88. Harpers Hair says:

    Crazy Pedestrian:
    Just checked the box score again. Apparently mcdavid only got the one point…

    Boo…

    MacKinnon pulls ahead with 7 fewer games played and less TOI.

  89. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Interesting that Mario Kempe is the fastest and best skilled player on the ice tonight. 29 and a Swedish journeyman. Tucson looks much faster and better coached as a team. Hill looks like a real goalie. Not seeing Crouse good tonight. Too bad Strome was called up.

  90. AshetonisGod says:

    Munny: Without a doubt Sabbath was massive to the metal movement. But I think Blue Crush might have beat them to the punch as far as firsts go.And even Iommi had his influences… Hendrix was influencing everyone, including the first metalheads.

    Personally I liked Blackmore and Alvin Lee even more than Iommi, although I come from keyboards, not guitar.

    There will likely be a Sabbath song tomorrow regardless.

    If you’re into Sabbath I’d highly recommend the Flower Travellin’ Band’s 1971 “Satori”. Proto-metal masterpiece from the Far East that never got ant radio airplay.

  91. jp says:

    Munny: Without a doubt Sabbath was massive to the metal movement. But I think Blue Crush might have beat them to the punch as far as firsts go.And even Iommi had his influences… Hendrix was influencing everyone, including the first metalheads.

    Personally I liked Blackmore and Alvin Lee even more than Iommi, although I come from keyboards, not guitar.

    There will likely be a Sabbath song tomorrow regardless.

    For sure everyone is influenced by those around/before them, and you can argue about the first of almost anything.

    Just giving my opinion as a fan of the genre. Summertime Blues certainly has elements of metal, not sure how widely accepted it is as metal.

    Hopefully Sabbath makes it onto your final list 🙂

  92. rickithebear says:

    Bling: Yeah, he looked awful.

    He has been defensively his entire career

  93. leadfarmer says:

    Harpers Hair: MacKinnon pulls ahead with 7 fewer games played and less TOI.

    I believe something about Occams Razor and ignoring him playing with a >1 ppg 21 year old and a 2nd OV 2 way forward is in order

  94. OmJo says:

    Erik Karlsson is having a very, very, very tough season…

  95. leadfarmer says:

    Harpers Hair,

    You must have really enjoyed Joe Colborne II 4 point game

  96. --hudson-- says:

    Late on this today, but here is Todd’s pregame with the question on Pontus Aberg. So he did not miss practice earlier this week with an injury, he just missed it.

    Source video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-ttHbhNBXc
    ————————————————–
    Q: Todd, are you able to ascertain, yet, what you’re working with today or is that still to be a… in terms of who you got a couple guys with some nicks here…
    A: Kassian and Sekera won’t play and then we’ll have a couple game time decisions. So we’ll see how they respond later on in the day, but there could be obviously significance to changes if two more guys come out.

    Q: What aspects of Ty Rattie’s game that you’ve liked?
    A: Well he’s got poise, he’s played in those situations his whole career, has got a ton of poise, he’s got a sense or an instinct of where the net is, and then where the holes are. The pace of the power plays a little bit quicker than it has been in the American League for him, so he’s got to adapt to that, but he’s been there, he’s done it. I like that the fact that he has a resume on it.

    Q: Do you get the sense that he is a guy that is really grateful to come up to a team and then get an opportunity pretty high up the lineup and get those powerplay minutes as well?
    A: Well I think he’s excited about being here. He’s getting an opportunity at the end of the year, where he can he can step in, and prove himself. We’re giving him every chance he can, he’s playing with one of the best players in the world, he has earned some power play time, he’s not afraid to shoot the puck, which is something that is important when you’re playing with Connor, and we hope that he can continue to produce the way he has.

    Q: Pontus is back in the lineup and not a bad spot. What’s the thought process, first taking him out, and then putting him back in?
    A: Well he came out for reasons beyond his play, and he’s done his work, and it’s time to go back in. We’ve got a beat up team right now and we need to find out a little bit more about him down the stretch.

    Q: When he goes… when a guy goes out in a situation like that, I mean how serious is it, and then you know how angry is the you know the coaching staff or…?
    A: Well it’s serious, the coaching staff isn’t pleased, the organization isn’t pleased, and I’m sure his teammates aren’t pleased. But players do make some mistakes, there are reasons for missing sometimes that you have to go and dig and find out why, and that’s all been done and we’re ready to move on.

    Q: Oscar Klefbom being out means there’s opening up a spot on the powerplay. Darnell Nurse, I know you tried to accelerate him coming out of the bye week with some injuries, he might get another look there. Just a thought on his, you know he’s had a progression midway through the season, and the, you know, the opportunity that’s there for him maybe get some looks on the pp.
    A: Yeah, he’ll get an opportunity because of Sekera’s injury and obviously Klefbom gone, to man that secondary unit. He’ll likely split some time with Auvitu and, you know again, we’re not experimenting because we’re not a lab experiment by any means, but we’re trying to put some players in situations, right now with the number of injuries we have, and we’d like to see what they can do. He was very hot at one point offensively during the season and that’s when he got bumped up. It didn’t work out all that well, it wasn’t due to what Darnell was doing to command the power play, it had a lot of things to do with that, but we’ll give him another look and we hope that again like the rest of the group they take advantage of their opportunities.

    Q: Connor played all 82 last year, 72 this year, he plays a lot of minutes, a lot of hard minutes. What’s the key to staying durable and how important is it as a coach to have a guy your lead horse?
    A: It’s the second part of that question, it’s really important because when your leader can produce games for you, never mind points and wins and all that type of stuff, but just flat-out produce points. It’s a… it takes its toll on the opposition, they have to match up some of their shutdown players, whether it’s forwards or D, take on more minutes and he’s been a tremendous leader for us that way. His fitness, his conditioning, his stamina is exceptional, maybe the best I’ve seen in the NHL where he can extend shifts a little bit longer than most, and still be explosive, and he recovers so quick. We played him on two or three lines, obviously, over the last little bit, and his minutes have gone way up. They were down a little at the beginning of the year or whenever he was not feeling good, but that wasn’t the plan, it was just the way it happened. He’s been a tremendous player for us.

    Q: Just a quick thought on facing Bill Peters, a guy you know well, and Carolina tonight?
    A: Well Carolina is the task at hand, they are a quick team, they force and pressure pucks all over the rink, they’ve got a relentless forecheck, they don’t give up. I think they’re number one in the league as far as giving up shots on goal, so they don’t give up much, and it’s always a tough team to play for us. They play with so much pace that you’ve really got to get your skating game going. Then Billy is a good friend of mine, he’s done a tremendous job here putting the group together, and keeping it focused.

  97. --hudson-- says:

    Todd’s postgame

    Source video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MOIJCf-i3A
    ————————————————–
    Q: From a coaching staff perspective, do you enjoy something like that, like that’s kind of a little bit of freewheeling, and a little out of control at the start? I mean you won it, so…
    A: Yeah we enjoy that, whether the players have worked hard lately, they finally get rewarded for some goals. Strange night, especially in the first period the type of goals, you know, the guys were actually, once we got the game under control, we’re talking about scoring first, and we did that I guess when AV put it in our own net. But it was a fun night, you know, when you score as much as we did, and do some of the things that we did correctly, you can enjoy the game, and it’s nice to get a win on the road.

    Q: Did Pontus Aberg give you exactly what you were looking to see tonight?
    A: He played very well, you know, expected him to perform that way based on some of the circumstances, but I thought he had two line mates that played real well together also. So they had, I was impressed with that line, and our team, to the back check, and their ability to strip pucks, and go the other way. It’s as strong a game that we’ve had in that area in a while, so some positive signs, and good for Pontus, good for that line.

    Q: A couple of redemption stories, Auvitu puts one in his own net and then he gets it back later on. I mean he’s gonna…
    A: Yeah, you know, he scores first, and then he scores, and you know that was nice… Leon great vision to find him late and did a tremendous job in freezing the goalie, just his release point was a little bit later than most, he was able to beat him. So he had a good game for us and we’re happy for him as well.

    Q: With your blueline the way it is, he’ll probably be in down the stretch too, I mean it’s a good opportunity for you him.
    A: Klef’s obviously not returning and, you know, we don’t know where Sekera is at with his injury, and some of the others on our blue line are beat up pretty good. So I’m sure he’ll get some playing time as we go forward.

    Q: Benning said, McDavid called him an offensive defenseman now, what did you think of that reactionary goal from Matt Benning?
    A: Well I think the offensive defenseman puts it in the open net, he doesn’t bat it in from behind, but good for Benny to stop with the net and finish it. So, you know, that’s the type of relaxed environment you can have when you play well and you get yourself a lead.

    Q: Leon said he can be hard on himself at times, and he had a stretch, I think it was two points in six games or whatever, so a night like this, what’s it do for him and kind of what’s your evaluation of him as a whole this year?
    A: Well I think he’s been, we can’t throw Leon into a pile, and paint him with a brush for a two or three game span. He’s been a very good player for us all year, been able to produce offensively and defensively, we saw that tonight. Faceoffs, penalty kill, so he’s had a pretty admirable year. We forget that he was hurt for a while at the beginning of the year and it affected him, and he is hard on himself, but when you want to be the best you often are, and you’ve got to forgive yourself sometimes, and come back and play, and I thought he did that tonight.

  98. Pescador says:

    –hudson–,

    Good reading
    Thx for posting these

  99. elgruntus says:

    Munny,

    Munny:
    Question for the group…

    My trivia peeps have requested heavy metal for the music component tomorrow night.Does Blue Cheer’s cover of Summertime Blues qualify as metal and if so, would you consider it the first metal song?

    July 6, 1937 – Bennie Goodman records Sing, Sing, Sing. Gene Krupa sets the bar for heavy metal drummers.
    You Really Got Me by the Kinks has to qualify as metal… I mean, by 1964 standards

  100. russ99 says:

    Munny:
    Question for the group…

    My trivia peeps have requested heavy metal for the music component tomorrow night.Does Blue Cheer’s cover of Summertime Blues qualify as metal and if so, would you consider it the first metal song?

    There was a whole subgenre of Acid Rock before Sabbath, but what Sabbath did on their first album, especially Geezer on his bass was way past anything before.

  101. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Pescador: He’s a defender that doesn’t play defense very well on a team that’s defensively challenged
    I wouldn’t put a lot of stock in what you saw tonight
    Garbage time for both teams

    Yet OV2 leads the Oiler Dmen in GF%
    Player GF%
    YOHANN AUVITU 60.0
    DARNELL NURSE 54.2
    MATT BENNING 53.0
    ERIC GRYBA 51.9
    ADAM LARSSON 46.7
    BRANDON DAVIDSON 46.2
    KRIS RUSSELL 45.4
    OSCAR KLEFBOM 43.6
    ETHAN BEAR 18.2
    ANDREJ SEKERA 16.7

    The key to looking at GF% is large samples and this isn’t one for him, but on EDM also looking at “away from McDavid GF%”

    Here’s the Away from McDavid GF%
    With GF% Without McDavid
    Yohann Auvitu 60.0
    Darnell Nurse 48.0
    Matthew Benning 47.8
    Eric Gryba 47.6
    Adam Larsson 45.5
    Kris Russell 42.9
    Brandon Davidson 37.5
    Oscar Klefbom 31.3
    Ethan Bear 22.2
    Andrej Sekera 0.0

    Hmmmmmmm

    Maybe we shouldn’t get too hung up on style and get more hung up on results.

    It reminds me of people bitching about Hall’s “defensive play” when he was the only Oiler who had a 50%+ GF on the team.

  102. Pescador says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Yet OV2 leads the Oiler Dmen in GF%
    PlayerGF%
    YOHANN AUVITU60.0
    DARNELL NURSE54.2
    MATT BENNING53.0
    ERIC GRYBA51.9
    ADAM LARSSON46.7
    BRANDON DAVIDSON46.2
    KRIS RUSSELL45.4
    OSCAR KLEFBOM43.6
    ETHAN BEAR18.2
    ANDREJ SEKERA16.7

    The key to looking at GF% is large samples and this isn’t one for him, but on EDM also looking at “away from McDavid GF%”

    Here’s the Away from McDavid GF%
    WithGF% Without McDavid
    Yohann Auvitu60.0
    Darnell Nurse48.0
    Matthew Benning47.8
    Eric Gryba47.6
    Adam Larsson45.5
    Kris Russell42.9
    Brandon Davidson37.5
    Oscar Klefbom31.3
    Ethan Bear22.2
    Andrej Sekera0.0

    Hmmmmmmm

    Maybe we shouldn’t get too hung up on style and get more hung up on results.

    It reminds me of people bitching about Hall’s “defensive play” when he was the only Oiler who had a 50%+ GF on the team.

    Sounds good, I appreciate the info.
    Granted my post was very cynical, I was answering the question from the “coaches perspective”
    As it was “why does he sit in the pressbox so much?”
    My personal opinion is: Up with Chaos!
    I try & save most of my bitching for the GM & HC

  103. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Pescador: Sounds good, I appreciate the info.
    Granted my post was very cynical, I was answering the question from the “coaches perspective”
    As it was “why does he sit in the pressbox so much?”
    My personal opinion is:Up with Chaos!
    I try & save most of my bitching for the GM & HC

    I bet you’re right and he sits Because CHAOS!

    NHL coaches tend to be very risk adverse and McLellan seems to be on the far right side of that curve

  104. Pescador says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I bet you’re right and he sits Because CHAOS!

    NHL coaches tend to be very risk adverse and McLellan seems to be on the far right side of that curve

    I’m no McLellan apologist but,
    I bet if the Oilers currently had 93 pts & were +21 in goals
    AV2 would have gotten into more games this season

  105. Munny says:

    elgruntus,

    I’ve always thought of it as the first punk song (depending I gues on what you think of Louie, Louie).

  106. Munny says:

    jp: For sure everyone is influenced by those around/before them, and you can argue about the first of almost anything.

    Just giving my opinion as a fan of the genre. Summertime Blues certainly has elements of metal, not sure how widely accepted it is as metal.

    Hopefully Sabbath makes it onto your final list

    Black Sabbath’s Black Sabbath will be on the list. First song they wrote, uses the tritone, Classical music roots (Holst’s Mars) perfectly gothic lyrics… don’t think I can choose a better song.

    I’m going to go with three from the pioneering trio… altho I’m really iffy on including Zep. They were certainly called heavy metal in the day, but I don’t feel like history views them that way. I will likely go with Child in Time by DP.

    Might throw Zep out for a Motorhead song, or JP.

    Then I will go with three songs from later on… name the tune solely by the guitar solo. Recognizable stuff like Iron Maiden or Ted Nugent-Hopkins’ Stranglehold, Metallica, etc..

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