Caroline, No

Last night the Oilers gave us (and themselves) a sense of what could be in the future. Connor McDavid had a ‘hard nose the highway’ evening against a tough matchup, but the Leon Draisaitl and Ryan Strome lines were highly successful against the soft parade. It was a rare ‘laugher’ for Edmonton, a nice reward late in a bitterly disappointing season. Fans can hope management and coaching staff learned the lessons of having plenty of firepower on as many lines as possible.

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WRAP IT UP, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • March 2016: 6-4-0, goal differential 0 (12 points)
  • March 2017: 7-2-1, goal differential +16 (15 points)
  • March 2018: 5-4-1, goal differential +2 (11 points)

Oilers winning last night means they are in the range with two years ago. They won’t catch last year’s team, who put the boots to the NHL for the rest of the regular season. The club is winning some games (5-4-1 in the last 10) and seem to have repeatable good outings for maybe the first time all season.

AFTER 73, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers 15-16: 28-38-7, goal differential -47 (63 points)
  • Oilers 16-17: 39-25-9, goal differential +30 (87 points)
  • Oilers 17-18: 32-36-5, goal differential -30 (69 points)

Edmonton is now within one point of the 2015-16 team final number (70) and could move beyond on Thursday night. The schedule gets weird now, strong teams will be resting injured players and weak times will have addled games. Of course, the Oilers are in that spot as well.

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM MARCH

  • At home to: Nashville, NY Rangers, Arizona, NY Islanders, Minnesota (Expected 2-3-0) (Actual 3-2-0)
  • On the road to: Calgary (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • At home to: San Jose (Expected 0-0-1) (Actual 0-0-1)
  • On the road to: Florida, Tampa Bay, Carolina, Ottawa (Expected 1-2-1) (Actual 2-1-0)
  • At home to: Los Angeles, Anaheim, Columbus (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Vancouver, Calgary (Expected 1-0-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 6-7-3, 15 points in 16 games
  • Current results: 5-4-1, 11 points in 10 games

Edmonton moved ahead of Chicago in the overall standings last night, now rank No. 24 and would draft No. 8 overall before the lottery. One final game on the road (just a devastating story on the Karlssons) and then back home for a tough trio. The final two road games of the month should be winnable. So, three more wins this month?

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

  • Auvitu-Benning were golden, 17-9 in 12:22, 2-1 GF. The goal against was a fluke, tipped in by Auvitu despite major efforts to blame Benning on the broadcast. Both defenders scored goals and both goals were very skilled. I’m a fan of both players. Pair went 11-3 against McGinn-Lindholm-Williams, just a rocking chair duo on the evening.
  • Nurse-Larsson went 9-10 in 19:49, 1-0 GF. Although neither man is a dynamic offensive player, their quick picks and good positioning held them in good stead on the night. Went 2-9 in seven minutes against Aho-Staal-Teravainen, that line was a fierce opponent and kept everyone on their collective toes.
  • Russell-Bear went 8-9 in 11:04, 2-0 GF. Were 4-5 against Skinner-Ryan-Stempniak, who seemed to be under Russell’s skin for much of the night. Bear got hurt for a time, not certain if he’ll be out for any length of time. I’m writing an item on his first 10 games for The Athletic, should be up later today. Russell had a good game.
  • Cam Talbot stopped 29 of 32, .906. He made some great stops early.
  • NaturalStatTrick and NHL.com.

FORWARDS, LAST NIGHT

  • Caggiula-Draisaitl-Aberg went 14-6 (Caggiula) and 13-6 (Aberg) with Jesse Puljujarvi along for the ride on one goal (line was 4-0 GF). Line was 5-0 in HDSC, absolutely tearing the cover off the ball. Were 5-2 against the Derek Ryan line, and 9-5 against the Dahlbeck-Faulk pairing.
  • Lucic-Strome-Puljujarvi were 14-11, 2-0 in GF and 6-2 HDSC. One of the keys to this line was just one giveaway, and they had tons of chances (Strome had 5 HDC’s alone). Puljujarvi was impressive on the night, great big 18-wheeler rocking through the night. He’s a convoy all by his lonesome.
  • Slepyshev-Khaira-Pakarinen were 6-4 in the low event trio on the evening. The line was quiet offensively but Khaira had a great chance and I thought Slepyshev was skating very well in a checking role. That’s going to keep him here should he choose to pursue the role.
  • Nuge-McDavid-Rattie got the heat treatment and there wasn’t much clean air for the trio. Went 7-16, 1-1 GF. Were 1-11 against Aho-Staal-Teravainen, 97 was 4-14 against Brett Pesce. That’s an insane line against Connor McDavid.

This is a fascinating look at an issue we’ve discussed many times over the years. James Gordon takes a rational look at teams and their drafting success, the results are very interesting. I won’t ruin it for you but the Oilers perform well (mostly because of first-round performance that includes Oscar Klefbom and Darnell Nurse).

GOD’S FLASHLIGHT (FORWARDS 5X5/60 SCORING)

  1. Connor McDavid 3.00
  2. Leon Draisaitl 2.55
  3. Pontus Aberg 2.44
  4. Ty Rattie 1.88
  5. Mike Cammalleri 1.88
  6. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 1.81
  7. Patrick Maroon 1.80 (traded)
  8. Ryan Strome 1.60
  9. Jujhar Khaira 1.52
  10. Jesse Puljujarvi 1.47
  11. Milan Lucic 1.46
  12. Zack Kassian 1.26
  13. Anton Slepyshev 1.25
  14. Drake Caggiula 1.18
  15. Mark Letestu 1.17
  16. Iiro Pakarinen 0.59
  17. Natural Stat Trick

My line in the sand is 2.00/60 for No. 1 line, 1.80+/60 for No. 2 line and then anything above 1.50/60 is good if you are getting bottom six minutes. So, Strome’s number can be defended because he hasn’t been playing a ton with the top group. Lucic? That’s different, he has been spending much of his time with the best players on the team. Jesse Puljujarvi is the one player you want to push toward 2.00/60. Perhaps he’ll get there next season.

JESSE

I write about Jesse Puljujarvi more than anyone associated with the team currently. Why? His success is so damned important to the organization. When Peter Chiarelli traded Taylor Hall, he did so secure in the knowledge that the club had acquired another (potential) difference maker. We’re about two full seasons past that draft and JP isn’t pushing the river and doesn’t have gaudy boxcars.

What we needed to see, and saw, was real progress year over year. Puljujarvi has the raw skills to be a prototype power forward and can already crash through the gates doing 98. He is a rare player and in the Oilers roster he is a unique one.

I think the Oilers would be wise to marry the big Finn to Leon Draisaitl next season. Both of them have mad skills while also being able to win battles. Add in a nifty marksman with agitating skills and you’re talking a real load for any opponent. If Jesse Puljujarvi scores 20 goals next season, I think the Oilers will have themselves a big piece of the puzzle for the next decade.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, it’s going to be a fun show because my friend Bruce McCurdy gets to talk about a victory! TSN1260, scheduled to appear:

  • Bruce McCurdy, Cult of Hockey. Leon goes wild in Raleigh, offside rule, the summer to come.
  • Keegan Matheson, Baseball Toronto. The Jays lineup is coming into view.
  • Simon Boisvert, Prospect Insider. We’ll chat Ethan Bear, Oilers graduating prospects and the 2018 draft.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

 

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159 Responses to "Caroline, No"

  1. Hockey Project says:

    The Carolina broadcasters really put over Puljujarvi, saying that they thought this was the best he had ever looked to them.

  2. OmJo says:

    The Ottawa game is going to be very emotional.

    Karlsson was so happy when he found the gender of his baby he jumped up and down like a kid on Christmas morning. Can’t imagine what he and his wife are going through now..

  3. OmJo says:

    Hockey Project:
    The Carolina broadcasters really put over Puljujarvi, saying that they thought this was the best he had ever looked to them.

    He played very well last night, but let’s not pretend the Hurricane broadcasters watch much Oilers hockey in their spare time lol.

  4. Connoreah says:

    In addition to all the obvious ‘good things’ to take from last night, I thought it was the first game where we saw what an injection of speed in the top 6 can do for the DNA of the roster, even when the source of the speed is an unproven NHL player with offensive instincts.

    I think guys like Maroon and Letestu gave the Oilers some very valuable skills that contributed to the team’s previous success, but with Aberg and Rattie, the team just looks different. In a good way. More please.

  5. Clarkenstein says:

    Speaking of broadcasters I’ve grown to really enjoy the way Kevin Quinn calls the game. I don’t think he gets enough credit for his smooth delivery. Really like him. On the “other hand” Remenda just continues to sink to new lows. I don’t need to expand as I don’t know if anybody cares for his manner. One thing that continues to drive me crazy is when he mumbles something while Quinn is talking. Have no idea what he is saying and really don’t care but maybe they should shut off his mike while the game is in progress. Sorry… it’s that time of year… had to get this off my chest. Lol

  6. OmJo says:

    I think the Oilers would be wise to marry the big Finn to Leon Draisaitl next season. Both of them have mad skills while also being able to win battles. Add in a nifty marksman with agitating skills and you’re talking a real load for any opponent. If Jesse Puljujarvi scores 20 goals next season, I think the Oilers will have themselves a big piece of the puzzle for the next decade.

    This. This, this, and this.

    That duo has potential to be a force in this league, the powerhouse of the Oilers. While McDavid and Nuge could be the brains of the Oilers.

    Ultimately the one-two punch we need to be competitive in this league are McDavid-Draisaitl on seperate lines. Have one (or both?) of Nuge/McDavid work on their shot this summer, since both are excellent passers.

    And then just find a RW for the first line, a LW for the second line.

  7. leadfarmer says:

    Sometimes young players worry so much about not screwing up and their defensive assignments they forget how to score. I’m a firm believer young high end prospects need to score and score often.

    Whole team just needs a reboot

  8. Hockey Project says:

    OmJo: He played very well last night, but let’s not pretend the Hurricane broadcasters watch much Oilers hockey in their spare time lol.

    I’m not presenting it as some sort of proof that he’s arrived, and just thought it would be nice to share a point that most here probably didn’t catch last night.

  9. Jethro Tull says:

    Thought Scott Darling was thrown to the wolves last night. He gave up big rebounds, but the Hurricanes D did nothing to help. Weird bounce off end boards, and who’s allowed to stand deep on his own? Benning. Faulk not telling Darling where the puck was. Hurricane D were also in picture a lot, standing static. Add that to shaky goalering, and you have 7 put up against you at home.

    Banging crowd, though. I thought they made a lot of noise for ten people.

  10. flea says:

    Clarkenstein,

    Quinn has been rewarded this year with some national broadcasts. He will sometimes stumble on his play by play and mix up names, but he’s a very enthusiastic broadcaster. You can tell he loves hockey and is a fan. We are pretty lucky to have him as our regional guy, I don’t know if he’ll ever have the chops to make it as a national broadcaster.

    Remenda is a knowledgeable hockey guy, he’s just a terrible color guy. So much dead air on the broadcasts. Quinn does half the color himself because Remenda can’t think of anything to say. I think Remenda would be better between the benches. But it also might be time for him to consider another career. I miss DeBrusk, best color guy in the game right now IMO.

  11. LMHF#1 says:

    Enjoyed last night…it has just been frustrating to watch this game several times this year and have it consistently mean or lead to nothing. Really too bad. Glad the players got to have some fun for a night though.

  12. Woogie63 says:

    I really like the TOI on ice for Larsson/Nurse … 24 minutes a night for these two horses might be the solution to hiding some of our flaws in the defensemen available to the coach.

  13. Scungilli Slushy says:

    leadfarmer:
    Sometimes young players worry so much about not screwing up and their defensive assignments they forget how to score.I’m a firm believer young high end prospects need to score and score often.

    Whole team just needs a reboot

    I agree. I can’t imagine how hard it is to coach in the NHL. Great coaches can get young players growing in to both sides of the game, while keeping players engaged. Lesser coaches seem to get one side or the other. And sometimes sink morale as the cherry on top.

  14. Jethro Tull says:

    flea:
    Clarkenstein,

    Quinn has been rewarded this year with some national broadcasts. He will sometimes stumble on his play by play and mix up names, but he’s a very enthusiastic broadcaster. You can tell he loves hockey and is a fan. We are pretty lucky to have him as our regional guy, I don’t know if he’ll ever have the chops to make it as a national broadcaster.

    Remenda is a knowledgeable hockey guy, he’s just aterrible color guy. So much dead air on the broadcasts. Quinn does half the color himself because Remenda can’t think of anything to say. I think Remenda would be better between the benches. But it also might be time for him to consider another career. I miss DeBrusk, best color guy in the game right now IMO.

    I have, from time to time, watched a stream online where you can still hear Kevin and Drew talk during breaks. Drew actually has useful insight during these breaks, but seems to have a brain fart as soon as they go live again. I’m there thinking, “just say what you just said during the TV TO!”
    And he is nowhere near as biased against either. It almost as if his brain thinks, “I was all for the Oilers during the TO, but now I must show impartiality.” But he forgets that a) we can’t hear him during the TO, and b) impartiality doesn’t mean you call down one team just because you called down the other.

  15. Dicky94 says:

    Hockey Project,

    I watched the Hurricane feed and really enjoyed the two guys doing the game. Their knowledge of the Oilers players was quite impressive. Would definitely watch their feed again.

  16. bendelson says:

    Agreed… fun game last night!
    I really enjoyed JP’s shift that ended with Drai’s one-timer. Nicely done!

    Re: Quinn.

    I actually don’t mind his play-by-play. He’s in tough working with Remenda. It’s not unlike Bob, doing his best alongside Jack. Put Jack and Drew together and you will have a gong show of epic proportions…

    One thing that used to irritate me and now just makes me laugh about Quinn are his often pointless stat lines… said with such enthusiasm.

    ‘Did you know Pakarinen was 7th in rookie hits last year?’
    ‘Russell has three helpers in his last 17 games’

  17. JimmyV1965 says:

    I’ve been critical of Benning this year, but I thought he had a great game last night. Was strong in both ends, laid out some big hits, passing with authority and actually skated the puck out of the dzone a couple times.

  18. russ99 says:

    Do we have WOWY’s yet for Nuge – McDavid, or too soon?

    For all the nice hockey, it’s not resulting in much more scoring, and what is seems to be McDavid being better than everyone else.

  19. jtblack says:

    Is this the Lineup for next season? and if so is it Good Enough?

    RNH-MCD-YAMMY
    LUCIC-DRAI-PULI
    ABERG-STROME-RATTIE
    CAGG-J.J.-KASS

    NURSE-LARSSON
    SEKERA-BENNING
    KLEFBOM-BEAR
    RUSSELL-AUVITU

    TALBOT
    MONTOYA

    what changes would need to be made to be a playoff team?

  20. jtblack says:

    JimmyV1965:
    I’ve been critical of Benning this year, but I thought he had a great game last night.Was strong in both ends, laid out some big hits, passing with authority and actually skated the puck out of the dzone a couple times.

    +1. Best game as an Oiler.

  21. Justthestatsman says:

    bendelson:

    ‘Did you know Pakarinen was 7th in rookie hits last year?’

    ~ I didn’t know Pak was targeting rookies like that. Seems harsh.~

  22. jtblack says:

    “. If Jesse Puljujarvi scores 20 goals next season, I think the Oilers will have themselves a big piece of the puzzle for the next decade”.

    LT: Jesse is on a 20 Goal pace this season. He’s only played 56 games. And hes had limited ice time during at least half of those games. And barely sees the ice on the PP.

    I would counter that you already have a 20 Goal man and already have a huge piece of the Franchise. As for next year I would raise the bar to 25- 35 Goals for JP, with 25 being realistic if he plays a regular shift (especially with 97 or 29).

    He looked GREAT last night!!

  23. jtblack says:

    What about Mike Green for nxt season assuming …

    1) he will come to Edm
    2) he will take a 1 yr or 2 yr deal
    3) he will take $5 mil or less per
    4) it works under our cap

  24. knighttown says:

    I wasn’t on the thread last night so don’t know if it was discussed but if not, YIKES on Justin Faulk. He looked absolutely dreadful.

    They need to be really sure what this guy is before they move RNH for him. He’s only got 30 points despite playing 1st PP minutes. And if what I saw is any indication, this is not a player that is going to help your GA.

    If the price is Nuge, I’m looking at only Jaccob Slavin.

    Back to Faulk…they need to get under the hood and see if this is a Jordan Eberle situation where a guy is just beat-down and running cold or what. Strome and a 2nd maybe?

  25. knighttown says:

    And speaking of Strome…I’m going to say it…I really like the player. I really like cerebral hockey players and boy is his brain quick. He actually reminds me of a Nuge/Eberle hybrid. He’s smart as a whip and moves the puck quickly and accurately and is pretty dogged on the puck like RNH. I get the sense this is a new attribute for him. Like Eberle, he isn’t blazing fast but moves well laterally with the puck especially and seems to be able to create scoring chances when he’s given the puck with speed. His hands seem to disappear in the scoring area (not a finisher?) but I’d bet on the skill set overcoming that voodoo.

    I think his success is in good part because he faces the dregs quite often so hopefully he knows that and signs pretty cheap. I’m thinking 4 x 3ish.

  26. Rondo says:

    Can’t read too much into meaningless games.

  27. digger50 says:

    jtblack:
    Is this the Lineup for next season? and if so is it Good Enough?

    RNH-MCD-YAMMY
    LUCIC-DRAI-PULI
    ABERG-STROME-RATTIE
    CAGG-J.J.-KASS

    NURSE-LARSSON
    SEKERA-BENNING
    KLEFBOM-BEAR
    RUSSELL-AUVITU

    TALBOT
    MONTOYA

    what changes would need to be made to be a playoff team?

    Just my opinion, but no, not good enough.

    Too many unknowns, 5 gambles on rookie NHLers. Those guys may work out but they need bumped to depth players and can get thier chances, but not all at once.

    Need the new coach – you missed him
    Need the back up goalie.
    Need a right winger
    Need a left winger
    We could really use an upgrade on defence

    Doubt we can get all this done, particularly without losing a big piece. There are ways to improve still.

    Maroon may end up the best 20 goal bet available.
    Khaira could be bumped up the line up by a proven fourth line center penalty killer
    New rookie might play (ouch)

    Does not look like the Oil have much interest in seeing Montoya or LB play games to finish the season so I assume a decision has been made. Need a Better back up.

  28. Andy Dufresne says:

    There is a tendency to talk about line combos like it is a puzzle and we just need to find the right peices and fit them in place. Which while fun ( I engage in it alot) belies the true nature of building a roster.

    Its not a point in time excersise, its a “process”. A series of actions or steps taken in order to achieve a particular end.

    Stapling JPs ass to Drai while intuitively appealing doesnt speak to the realities of building a roster.
    JP is being forced to earn his TOI and this should and will continue.

    This principle is also affected by circumstances. Injuries, the need to shake things up, line matcing, special teams utilization, strength of roster/depth, etc. But the overall principal of earning TOI is something that should not be under-valued/under-appreciated.

  29. Wilde says:

    russ99:
    Do we have WOWY’s yet for Nuge – McDavid, or too soon?

    For all the nice hockey, it’s not resulting in much more scoring, and what is seems to be McDavid being better than everyone else.

    God you hate Ryan Nugent-Hopkins so much.

    e: it’s actually the opposite, possession numbers are poorer but goal spread is great.

    93+97 seem to get more DZ deployment than any other 97 combination, much more. Which explains some of the possession #’s, I’d wager they probably get the toughest comp. share as well.

  30. kavy says:

    What do you think of JVR as a comp for Puljujarvi?

    He strikes me as somewhat similar, as a big guy who took a little bit of time to put it all together. Obviously, in his second season post-draft, JVR was still playing in the NCAA, but his third season (first in the NHL) seems to be comparable to Puljujarvi’s season right now.

    Perhaps Jesse will follow a similar trajectory, albeit he seems to be a bit ahead of JVR right now.

  31. Scungilli Slushy says:

    knighttown:
    I wasn’t on the thread last night so don’t know if it was discussed but if not, YIKES on Justin Faulk.He looked absolutely dreadful.

    They need to be really sure what this guy is before they move RNH for him.He’s only got 30 points despite playing 1st PP minutes.And if what I saw is any indication, this is not a player that is going to help your GA.

    If the price is Nuge, I’m looking at only Jaccob Slavin.

    Back to Faulk…they need to get under the hood and see if this is a Jordan Eberle situation where a guy is just beat-down and running cold or what.Strome and a 2nd maybe?

    Johansen brought Jones. It’s that quality of return or it’s another loss. Barrie and Faulk are second pairing specialists, not two way game changers.

    Slavin might not even be enough. He doesn’t have enough offense and he isn’t that young, similar to Nurse and less than Klef has produced.

  32. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Rattie is skilled but still skates like he did in junior. He also looks weak on his skates and has a poor first step.

    Connor looked him off on one play and passed to a surrounded Nuge instead. He’d have to be a tremendous scorer to make it worth while, and he isn’t. Not good enough, aim higher.

  33. Andy Dufresne says:

    knighttown:
    I wasn’t on the thread last night so don’t know if it was discussed but if not, YIKES on Justin Faulk.He looked absolutely dreadful.

    They need to be really sure what this guy is before they move RNH for him.He’s only got 30 points despite playing 1st PP minutes.And if what I saw is any indication, this is not a player that is going to help your GA.

    If the price is Nuge, I’m looking at only Jaccob Slavin.

    Back to Faulk…they need to get under the hood and see if this is a Jordan Eberle situation where a guy is just beat-down and running cold or what.Strome and a 2nd maybe?

    The tables have turned from the conversations from two years ago.

    Two years ago many thought that Nuge might not get you Faulk.

    Now Nuge peaking again and Faulk has had an off year (or two). Faulk is apparently 20lbs heavier than than his prime fighting weight and is somehting like a combined -80 over the past 4 seasons.

    The question is now, is Faulk worth Nuge?

    IT is unlikely that anyone will be able to “buy low” on Faulk because he is RHD and because other Carolina Dmen are still a young group.

    Its interesting how much these things change in such a short period of time.

  34. Confused says:

    Craig Custance

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    Also in there, Panthers prospect Adam Mascherin (2nd-round pick) has told the team that he’s not signing, so Florida looking to move him:

    Would he sign here? Swap for Caggs, Slep, Rattie or Aberg?

  35. Andy Dufresne says:

    knighttown:
    And speaking of Strome…I’m going to say it…I really like the player.I really like cerebral hockey players and boy is his brain quick.He actually reminds me of a Nuge/Eberle hybrid.He’s smart as a whip and moves the puck quickly and accurately and is pretty dogged on the puck like RNH.I get the sense this is a new attribute for him.Like Eberle, he isn’t blazing fast but moves well laterally with the puck especially and seems to be able to create scoring chances when he’s given the puck with speed.His hands seem to disappear in the scoring area (not a finisher?) but I’d bet on the skill set overcoming that voodoo.

    I think his success is in good part because he faces the dregs quite often so hopefully he knows that and signs pretty cheap.I’m thinking 4 x 3ish.

    Another Chiarelli success story, Targeted young 3C with scoring skill. May get signed to a Value contract in the offseason.

  36. Andy Dufresne says:

    Rondo:
    Can’t read too much into meaningless games.

    +1

  37. OmJo says:

    Confused:
    Craig Custance

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    Also in there, Panthers prospect Adam Mascherin (2nd-round pick) has told the team that he’s not signing, so Florida looking to move him:

    Would he sign here? Swap for Caggs, Slep, Rattie or Aberg?

    I think I’d do that in a heartbeat just based on his stats.

    https://dobberprospects.com/adam-mascherin/

    March 2018 – In the Western Conference side of annual OHL Coaches Poll, Mascherin won the Best Shot vote, and he also finished second in the Hardest Shot and Most Dangerous in the Goal Area categories. Jokke Nevalainen

    May 2017 – Mascherin proved to be the offensive catalyst in Kitchener this season as he posted 35 goals and 100 points in 65 games, good for third in OHL scoring. Mascherin was an offensive force every time he was on the ice while showcasing his outstanding shot and speed. Although not the tallest player on the ice, Mascherin has the strength and work ethic to win battles against any opponent. Despite his goal production remaining stagnant over the past two years, Mascherin demonstrated his ability to become a better-rounded offensive player this year. He sees the ice very well, while also taking every opportunity he can to shoot the puck. With undersized players seeing more and more success in today’s NHL, look for Mascherin to play a key part in Florida’s offence looking forward. Joel Gluss

  38. OmJo says:

    Andy Dufresne: Another Chiarelli success story, Targeted young 3C with scoring skill. May get signed to a Value contract in the offseason.

    Lol.

    You say this, then agree to this post 😛

    Rondo:
    Can’t read too much into meaningless games.

    Strome has been better, but he’s been better for half a season. The same inconsistency I believe he showed in NYI – correct me if I’m wrong there.

  39. dustrock says:

    Confused:
    Craig Custance

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    Also in there, Panthers prospect Adam Mascherin (2nd-round pick) has told the team that he’s not signing, so Florida looking to move him:

    Would he sign here? Swap for Caggs, Slep, Rattie or Aberg?

    I wanted Mascherin over Benson, so yes please.

  40. Bling says:

    What I like about Benning’s game is that there is a lot of “bend but don’t break.”

    In Tampa, he was defending Ricki’s Box against a larger Tampa forward. Benning wasn’t strong enough to overpower him, but he was able to interfere with him enough to force the opposing player to shoot the puck wide.

    How about last night? Good defensive play, and then he absolutely flies down the ice to receive McDavid’s pass on the doorstep.

    He is tough, he defends well, and he moves the puck well. He is a second pairing D right now, and this summer Chia should be looking for depth behind him, and not necessarily someone to supplant him.

  41. Wilde says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    Your perspective on this offers some balance to the discussion, but I think many who take issue with the deployment by Todd McLellan do so not because of the concept of earning their minutes per se, but more because the measures seem dubious at best and straight backwards at worst.

    If there’s going to be a forced dichotomy like winning games over developing players, well, you better be better at winning games.

    team – pts % / / odds of most likely draft spot / / chance of top 3 – chance of dahlin

    BUF – 0.401 / / 4th @ 51.9% / / 48.1% – 18%

    VAN – 0.408 / / 4th @ 33.7% / / 36.2% – 12.5%

    ARI – 0.410 / / 5th @ 39.1% / / 31.2% – 10.5%

    —————————————————————

    OTT – 0.438 / / 6th @ 35.5% / / 28.6% – 9.5%

    MTL – 0.444 / / 6th @ 32.8% / / 25.9% – 8.5%

    DET – 0.444 / / 7th @ 38.2% / / 23.4% – 7.6%

    —————————————————————

    CHI – 0.465 / / 8th @ 39.7% / / 20.9% – 6.7%

    EDM – 0.473 / / 9th @ 38.1% / / 18.3% – 5.8%

    Vancouver’s having a remarkable run.

    I have a no-limits ferry pass, maybe I should watch this trainwreck in person, it’s gotta be cheap.

    That bottom tier can’t be touched. Two of those teams will be there next year. You know who’s not? The dogs.

    The 2nd tier includes a tragic Senators situation, top to bottom, on ice and off, billboards and barstools, everyone saying anything about the Senators has something scathing to say. I wish the players and fanbase the best. Eugene Melnyk is fighting the bad fight.

    Det’s losing streak is impressive. This is where a steal could be had. Athanasiou in particular seems to be the odd man out. Someone will get a good player out of that mess. Someone will also get a bad GM, hope it’s not Seattle.

    There’s a lot of positive L10’s in the basement in general, but Edmonton’s played their way out of it. The Islanders are ‘only’ 3 points up. Could we see a 10-15th overall pick?

    Certainly won’t move the needle for an organisation that struggles to do very little with so much.

  42. Andy Dufresne says:

    OmJo: Lol.

    You say this, then agree to this post

    Strome has been better, but he’s been better for half a season. The same inconsistency I believe he showed in NYI – correct me if I’m wrong there.

    Generally speaking I think you are right.

    He’s the same or similar player as he was in NY. It happens a lot where a player just doesnt fit the system/circumstances/Coach/roster on one team….gets moved and does very well on another. We should know right it happens frequently to us going in the other direction (Shultz etc).

    So yes…it is a cautionary tale…..it is only half a years performance……but its looking at this point like it has a resonably high probability of working out very well. (almost every player moved takes 1/2 year to adjust to thier new environment)

    The fact that it is only 1/2 a year is what makes it possible for this to be a value contract in the summer. So at least lets ALL hope so.

  43. Primetime says:

    Confused:
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    Also in there, Panthers prospect Adam Mascherin (2nd-round pick) has told the team that he’s not signing, so Florida looking to move him:

    Would he sign here? Swap for Caggs, Slep, Rattie or Aberg?

    Was wondering the same thing…small but thick (5’9″, 200lbs), likened to Debrincat with scoring. From Elite Prospects:

    Prolific scoring winger who combines an exceedingly high work ethic with speed, skill, and a mature approach to the game to overcome size differentials. An intense competitor with a booming shot, Masherin finds ways to score by outworking the opposition. He may not be the tallest player on the ice, but he isn’t a lightweight either. He plays a fast, heavy game and isn’t afraid to battle against tougher opponents. All-in-all, a lightning rod kind of player who will exceed expectations and bring energy to the game with each shift.

    If Florida tries to get something back, would they take the 3rd we got for Maroon? If not, and he re-enters the draft, would you spend your 2nd rounder on him if he’s there (a la Jarrett Stoll?)

  44. who says:

    Weird game last night. Not a lot of intensity and the Oilers got some bounces so I wouldn’t read a lot into it.
    Mcdavid/Nuge/Rattie.
    Didn’t do much. Mcdavid struggles in dzone coverage. He is very good at jumping on loose pucks but has trouble breaking up the cycle against a strong line. His line has a tendency to get hemmed in their zone for entire shifts at times. Rattie looks safe but not dynamic. He will have to knock it out of the park to even get a sniff next fall.
    Drai/Caggulia/Aberg.
    Nice to see Drai pile up some points but those wingers still look like 4th liners to me.
    Strome/Lucic/JP.
    Loved this line. Hope they finish the year and start next fall together. Lucic is properly slotted. Strome is a much better center than winger. JP can stay here until he forces his way up the lineup.
    Problem with that theory is that we don’t have a better RW on the roster right now. But I am okay with using placeholders on the top 2 lines until JP is ready. Maybe Kassian and ?.
    If the Oilers would have done this with Justin Shultz, instead of force feeding him 1st pairing minutes, maybe they wouldn’t be looking for a 2RD powerplay quarterback right now.
    I would put Kharia on Drais left wing for the rest of the year and look for a cheap 4C in the summer.
    Then maybe Kassian and Slepeshev in the top 2 RW spots for now and finish the year like that
    Nuge. Mcdavid. Kassian
    Kharia. Drai. Slepeshev
    Lucic. Strome. JP
    Whatever. Whoever. ?
    Then see if you can upgrade anywhere on the cheap in the summer.

  45. Andy Dufresne says:

    Bling:
    What I like about Benning’s game is that there is a lot of “bend but don’t break.”

    In Tampa, he was defending Ricki’s Box against a larger Tampa forward. Benning wasn’t strong enough to overpower him, but he was able to interfere with him enough to force the opposing player to shoot the puck wide.

    How about last night? Good defensive play, and then he absolutely flies down the ice to receive McDavid’s pass on the doorstep.

    He is tough, he defends well, and he moves the puck well. He is a second pairing D right now, and this summer Chia should be looking for depth behind him, and not necessarily someone to supplant him.

    Agreed. This is another Chiarelli success story. Its not a garaunteed lock that he developes into more than what he currently is….but he is only 23 (about to turn 24) a RHD (who with further development could be a solid/above average 3RHD) and not only did Chia get him for nothing/no assets….he stole him out from underneath the Bruins organization. BONUS!

  46. Wilde says:

    Primetime,

    Either his height or his weight are wrong LOL

    I don’t think people know what 200 lean on 5’9″ looks like

  47. Bling says:

    Ryan Strome splits!

    Pre-All Star Break:

    GP 49, G 7, A 12, P 19. SOG 86. TOI 14:39.

    Post:

    GP 24, G 6, A 8. SOG 49. TOI 16:06.

    2 shots per game post all star break and a roughly 50 point pace.

    Sign the man!

  48. Confused says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    Strome is clearly a 3RC cannot play W. Position him correctly and things are possible, position him wrongly and it’s a disaster.

    i do wonder if the same can be said about Slep and Caggs, they seem to be LW and struggle on RW. No idea about you would put numbers of this with all the confounding variables. But cannot believe the fact that we have to endlessly change position is helping.

  49. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Simon Boisvert @simonsnake70 was just on LT’s show.

    He has Hughes as the second best player in the draft.

    Off the charts hockey iq and skates like Coffey. Cornerstone Dman.

    Had Boucher’s 11-15. Dinged him hard for being a late birthday and being in his 3rd CHL season.

    Said Bocuhard should be a top 4 NHL Dman, but not a standout.

  50. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    knighttown:
    And speaking of Strome…I’m going to say it…I really like the player.I really like cerebral hockey players and boy is his brain quick.He actually reminds me of a Nuge/Eberle hybrid.He’s smart as a whip and moves the puck quickly and accurately and is pretty dogged on the puck like RNH.I get the sense this is a new attribute for him.Like Eberle, he isn’t blazing fast but moves well laterally with the puck especially and seems to be able to create scoring chances when he’s given the puck with speed.His hands seem to disappear in the scoring area (not a finisher?) but I’d bet on the skill set overcoming that voodoo.

    I think his success is in good part because he faces the dregs quite often so hopefully he knows that and signs pretty cheap.I’m thinking 4 x 3ish.

    Agreed

  51. JimmyV1965 says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Johansen brought Jones. It’s that quality of return or it’s another loss. Barrie and Faulk are second pairing specialists, not two way game changers.

    Slavin might not even be enough. He doesn’t have enough offense and he isn’t that young, similar to Nurse and less than Klef has produced.

    Slavin is LHD. Pesce probably makes more sense because he’s RHD. I would rather have these guys than Faulk. I think our PP will be much better next year, even if we don’t get a PP QB. If we trade RNH we would have to get a very significant piece in addition to the dman.

  52. Andy Dufresne says:

    Confused:
    Andy Dufresne,

    Strome is clearly a 3RC cannot play W. Position him correctly and things are possible, position him wrongly and it’s a disaster.

    i do wonder if the same can be said about Slep and Caggs, they seem to be LW and struggle on RW. No idea about you would put numbers of this with all the confounding variables. But cannot believe the fact that we have to endlessly change position is helping.

    Agreed. Hopefully we reach a point soon where lines are a little more setteled so the variables arent as confounding. I think this phenomenum is why a lot of Coaches look for Pairs and not complete 3 man units…

  53. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    knighttown:
    I wasn’t on the thread last night so don’t know if it was discussed but if not, YIKES on Justin Faulk.He looked absolutely dreadful.

    They need to be really sure what this guy is before they move RNH for him.He’s only got 30 points despite playing 1st PP minutes.And if what I saw is any indication, this is not a player that is going to help your GA.

    If the price is Nuge, I’m looking at only Jaccob Slavin.

    Back to Faulk…they need to get under the hood and see if this is a Jordan Eberle situation where a guy is just beat-down and running cold or what.Strome and a 2nd maybe?

    I’ve been debating Faulk vs Barrie with LT and Barrie’s makes his team mates better, Faulk worse.

    You have to account for usage, but Barrie tends to play tougher minutes in the last 2 years due to Johnson’s injury.

  54. Wilde says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Hughes flies like Nurse but is quicker and more slippery laterally and accelerates harder(he gets really low on his crossovers like Barzal), and then has the brain, vision and hands to actually make a scoring play out of it which is where Nurse struggles.

    This makes him an absolute gamebreaker. His 16/17 year old season was insane already, he’s late birthday so you have to weigh that season more, and now as a freshman defenseman he’s playing against 22yo forwards beating forechecks and taking pucks away.

    Unreal talent. If he drops to us take him.

    Oh also he’s got a ridiculous shot, one time or not.

  55. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Confused:
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    Also in there, Panthers prospect Adam Mascherin (2nd-round pick) has told the team that he’s not signing, so Florida looking to move him:

    Would he sign here? Swap for Caggs, Slep, Rattie or Aberg?

    Meh, he’s not exactly killing it two years post draft in junior. I wouldn’t give up much.

    Second tier college guys (Benning, Caggiula, Gambardella) and older average prospects are good to get a better roster for the Condors and use players there with an NHL shot if slim, but we shouldn’t think most of them are going to help in the NHL. Benning is a bottom roster help so far at least.

    The Oilers don’t seem to get the college talent with the best NHL odds. I’d bet there are more undrafted guys in the NHL than CHL older players making it with weak numbers or fatal flaws like skating and hockey IQ.

  56. Pouzar says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Simon Boisvert @simonsnake70 was just on LT’s show.

    He has Hughes as the second best player in the draft.

    Off the charts hockey iq and skates like Coffey.Cornerstone Dman.

    Had Boucher’s 11-15.Dinged him hard for being a late birthday and being in his 3rd CHL season.

    Said Bocuhard should be a top 4 NHL Dman, but not a standout.

    The man who had Nolan Patrick at 7.

    I give Simon heck about that one cause NP’s my boy!

    Now I’m done. 🙂

  57. Psyche says:

    Confused,

    From https://www.therecord.com/sports-story/8138303-rangers-mascherin-waiting-on-deal-with-panthers/ (Todd Reynolds is his agent from Uptown Hockey):

    If Mascherin and the Panthers can’t come to terms, the winger will re-enter the draft. And a player with his pedigree might just slip into the first round.

    “He certainly could be (a first-round selection),” said Reynolds. “But a more likely scenario is that his rights would be traded to another team prior to the draft.”

  58. Psyche says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Simon knows his stuff. I put a lot of weight in his perspective.

    Also, re: Mascherin, I would expect Florida wants a 2nd rounder but I would offer a 3rd. Only offer a 2nd rounder from this year’s draft if you know (a) he is more skilled and ready than who is available in that range for the 2018 draft and (b) you can sign him.

  59. Andy Dufresne says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Simon Boisvert @simonsnake70 was just on LT’s show.

    He has Hughes as the second best player in the draft.

    Off the charts hockey iq and skates like Coffey.Cornerstone Dman.

    Had Boucher’s 11-15.Dinged him hard for being a late birthday and being in his 3rd CHL season.

    Said Bocuhard should be a top 4 NHL Dman, but not a standout.

    Good Info. Thanks.

    How much does Hughes LHD vs say Boqvist RHD AND the Michigan Big 10 Vs Sweden-Jr affect the decision making here for the Oilers?

  60. Wilde says:

    Quinn Hughes is a skater’s skater.

    Here’s a good example of how effortless he is and how it plays into being able to make passes through the tightest seams, at 0:45:

    https://youtu.be/cs5NRO0DQtM?t=45s

  61. Confused says:

    Psyche,

    2019 R3 — we have lots 🙂

  62. Wilde says:

    Andy Dufresne: Good Info. Thanks.

    How much does Hughes LHD vs say Boqvist RHD AND theMichigan Big 10Vs Sweden-Jr affectthe decision making here for the Oilers?

    The comparison should be between Boqvists year this year, and Hughes’ 2016-17, because they’re almost a year apart in age.

    Hughes plays against college men now, but Boqvist dominates his J20 league in a similar fashion to how Quinn Hughes has the most dominant season form a defenceman in the USN U18 when he was Boqvist’s age.

  63. --hudson-- says:

    Tyler Vesel signed a PTO with the Condors. He’s really developed nicely since draft day.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/JasonGregor/status/976505278836305920

  64. Psyche says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    Here’s a comparison from Dobber Prospects of Hughes and Boquist:

    https://dobberprospects.com/prospect-ramblings-adam-boqvist-vs-quinn-hughes/

    Also, if you have time check out Jack Hughes – his younger brother and the top prospect for the 2019 draft: http://torontosun.com/2017/03/17/introducing-jack-hughes-the-supremely-talented-stoic-next-one/wcm/acf77233-a923-44cb-ab9c-e21cbf19a0bd

  65. Wilde says:

    Noah Hanifin:

    12 in 25 U17 team
    8 in 6 U18 team
    23 in 37 NCAA – 0.62 PPG

    Zach Werenski:

    18 in 31 U17
    1 in 4 U18
    25 in 35 NCAA – 0.71 PPG

    Quinn Hughes:

    26 in 26 U18 (!)
    28 in 34 NCAA – 0.82 PPG

  66. Andy Dufresne says:

    Psyche:
    Andy Dufresne,

    Here’s a comparison from Dobber Prospects of Hughes and Boquist:

    https://dobberprospects.com/prospect-ramblings-adam-boqvist-vs-quinn-hughes/

    Also, if you have time check out Jack Hughes – his younger brother and the top prospect for the 2019 draft: http://torontosun.com/2017/03/17/introducing-jack-hughes-the-supremely-talented-stoic-next-one/wcm/acf77233-a923-44cb-ab9c-e21cbf19a0bd

    Thank you. Will do.

  67. Pouzar says:

    Who?

    https://www.nhl.com/flyers/news/flyers-acquire-draft-pick-from-edmonton-for-cooper-marody–philadelphia-flyers/c-297168638

    The Philadelphia Flyers have traded the rights to center Cooper Marody to the Edmonton Oilers in exchange for a third-round pick in the 2019 NHL Entry Draft, according to general manager Ron Hextall.

    The Flyers acquire the New Jersey Devils’ third-round pick in 2019 in the trade, which was previously acquired by Edmonton.

    Marody, who is in his third season at the University of Michigan, was selected by the Flyers in the sixth round (158th overall) of the 2015 NHL Entry Draft.

  68. T0ML says:

    Frank Seravalli

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    #Flyers have traded rights to prospect Cooper Marody (Michigan) to #Oilers in exchange for 2019 3rd round pick (prev. held by #njdevils). Marody was 6th round pick in 2015 by PHI, led Big Ten in scoring this season, joining Zach Hyman and Kyle Connor as Wolverines to do so.

    Got our big RHC … 6’01” …. Top 10 in Big Ten scoring … interesting …. I’d guess signing announced soon … or we just pulled a Buffalo.

  69. --hudson-- says:

    T0ML:
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    #Flyers have traded rights to prospect Cooper Marody (Michigan) to #Oilers in exchange for 2019 3rd round pick (prev. held by #njdevils). Marody was 6th round pick in 2015 by PHI, led Big Ten in scoring this season, joining Zach Hyman and Kyle Connor as Wolverines to do so.

    Got our big RHC … 6’01” …. Top 10 in Big Ten scoring … interesting …. I’d guess signing announced soon … or we just pulled a Buffalo.

    Teammate of Quinn Hughes…

  70. knighttown says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I’ve been debating Faulk vs Barrie with LT and Barrie’s makes his team mates better, Faulk worse.

    You have to account for usage, but Barrie tends to play tougher minutes in the last 2 years due to Johnson’s injury.

    Thanks for that Woodguy.

    One game means literally nothing but I’ll tell you who JF reminded me of last night. End-of-days Justin Schultz. All he was missing was the one-hand-on-the-stick mosey. His loss of the stick on his failed stick check on Aberg was a downright spot on Schulzian imitation.

    Slavin on the other hand, me likey. What do the numbers show there? He has always given McDavid fits. LHD isn’t ideal but he’s big and can skate and seems really committed to the defensive side of the puck. I like another poster’s Nurse comparison but he’s got maybe less tools but way more polish. Nurse is still a D- in offensive zone awareness. He’s also just 23 years old and put up 34 last year assumingly with almost no PP time.

    He reminds me of a couple of those young horses in Anaheim; Manson and Montour. Complete 3-zone players with tools and a toolkit.

    Man with Fleury there now they’ve got some real pedigree. What are your thoughts on Pesce and Hanifan? Who is stirring the drink on that defensive unit and who is along for the ride? Gotta think someone is going to be moved for help up front.

  71. Pouzar says:

    T0ML,

    Very Similar(actually better USHL/NCAA) numbers to Mason Appleton who is looking like a steal for the Jets.
    A year younger and drafted 10 spots before Appleton in 6th round 2015.

    Must of ran into injury issues in 2016-17 but coming back in a big way this year.

    Interesting player.

  72. Andy Dufresne says:

    Makes this Maroon for Marody!

  73. jtblack says:

    Wilde:
    Noah Hanifin:

    12 in 25 U17 team
    8 in 6 U18 team
    23 in 37 NCAA – 0.62 PPG

    Zach Werenski:

    18 in 31 U17
    1 in 4 U18
    25 in 35 NCAA – 0.71 PPG

    Quinn Hughes:

    26 in 26 U18 (!)
    28 in 34 NCAA – 0.82 PPG

    Good Company.

  74. npanciroli says:

    Seems like a solid bet/trade

  75. Andy Dufresne says:

    Cooper Marody

    “He’s one of those where if he doesn’t play in the NHL, he’ll play in Europe as long as he wants. He’s so creative. He’s one of those players where he just sees everything. His vision is off the charts. He sees where everybody is on the ice, very elusive. You talk to defensemen in practice and it’s like, ‘Who’s the toughest guy to control 1-on-1?’ They’ll say, ‘Cooper Marody. You’re on his back hip, you think you’ve got him, and bang, he does something and slips away.’”

    He had mononucleosis his freshman year, which kept him off the ice for quite a while. Residual effects kept him off last season too, but it had nothing to do with his health. He was academically ineligible in the fall semester because he didn’t get enough credits when he had mono.

  76. jtblack says:

    Whoever the coach is next season, one of my wishes is this.

    1C – MCD
    2C-DRAI
    3C-STROME

    I think as our winger talent goes up, these 3 C’s can deliver playoffs and some balanced scoring nxt season and beyond. *When Todd puts Drai on Connors wing it does more damage than good, cause it cripples the rest of the order.

    LETS GO OILERS

  77. Andy Dufresne says:

    jtblack:
    Whoever the coach is next season, one of my wishes is this.

    1C – MCD
    2C-DRAI
    3C-STROME

    I think as our winger talent goes up, these 3 C’s can deliver playoffs and some balanced scoring nxt season and beyond. *When Todd puts Drai on Connors wing it does more damage than good, cause it cripples the rest of the order.

    LETS GO OILERS

    Agreed. I think this was the vision all along. They needed to develop Drai in a away that boosted his confidence. Pretty normal development for 1st and 2nd year players.

    Similar story for Strome as an Oiler. Play him in ways that boost/build his confidence. Then when hes ready (1/2 year transition time to new environs) he becomes above average 3rd line center who gets PP time.

  78. Andy Dufresne says:

    LD Rasmus Dahlin, Frolunda (SHL).
    R Andrei Svechnikov, Barrie Colts (OHL).
    L Filip Zadina, Halifax Mooseheads (QMJHL).

    RD Adam Boqvist, Brynas (SuperElite).
    L Brady Tkachuk, Boston Univeristy
    LD Quinn Hughes, Michigan (NCAA).
    R Oliver Wahlstrom, U.S. National Development Program (USHL)

    RD Noah Dobson, Acadie-Bathurst Titan (QMJHL).
    RD Evan Bouchard, London Knights (OHL).
    LD Ty Smith, Spokane Chiefs (WHL).

    How many more wins can Oilers afford to close out the season??

    We currently sit in the 8 hole. COME ON EBERLE we dont want to pass the NYI

  79. JimmyV1965 says:

    Interesting deal for Cooper Marody. Wonder if they spotted him while scouting Hughes.

  80. JimmyV1965 says:

    Geez. The farm team is shaping up to be real exciting next year. Lots of prospects. Will need a coach really adept at working with kids.

  81. Munny says:

    I have trouble hating this trade. However Hexie hates our guts and the kid has nice arrows this season… wonder what prompted him to make this move?

    If anyone is listening to Bob and can share his comments on the trade, I’d appreciate it.

  82. Pouzar says:

    Munny:
    I have trouble hating this trade. However Hexie hates our guts and the kid has nice arrows this season… wonder what prompted him to make this move?

    If anyone is listening to Bob and can share his comments on the trade, I’d appreciate it.

    Maaan if this kid doesn’t sign……..

  83. godot10 says:

    knighttown:

    I think his success is in good part because he faces the dregs quite often so hopefully he knows that and signs pretty cheap.I’m thinking 4 x 3ish.

    One should NEVER offer bottom half roster players durationi. See Russell. See Lucic. 3 years to Kassian was stupid. 4 years for Strome would be insanity. 2 years MAX.

    These players are replaceable players.

  84. flea says:

    Seems like Chiarelli’s strategy is to move picks for more established prospects. You maybe miss out on some of the home runs (because teams that draft them don’t trade them or command more than a pick) but for depth acquisitions, getting guys at 22-24 when you know what they are might improve the odds of finding actual NHL depth.

    He’s done a pretty good job of it during his time here, aside from Reinhart.

  85. Bling says:

    That is a fabulous move by Chia.

  86. bendelson says:

    For those that read the article that I linked in my last post and are at all curious about the musical stylings of one Cooper Marody, see the link below and scroll down to “Then I See Your Car”.

    http://mindcontrols.me/download-mp3/cooper-marody/

    Not my style, but the kid has talent…

  87. John Chambers says:

    Regarding handedness of draftable defensemen:

    At this point it doesn’t really matter whether they shoot L or R. Looking at stats from Ryan Ellis, or examining Noah Hanifin or whatever top D prospect, this player shouldn’t be able to crack an NHL lineup for a full two seaons after being drafted.

    By summer 2020 we’ll have moved on from Russell (likely) and possibly Sekera, so there should be room for a LHD by then.

    Previously I was adamant about Boqvist and now interested in Bouchard, but in reality the Oilers with Larsson – Benning – Bear slated as the right side for the future, we’re in a position to select the best defenseman period, regardless of “handedness”.

  88. quade says:

    Great tune choice for the title, LT.

  89. SwedishPoster says:

    Cooper Marody is such a TV series cop name. “Damn it Marody, you’ve got to follow protocol!”

  90. McSorley33 says:

    John Chambers,

    Regarding handedness of draftable defensemen:

    At this point it doesn’t really matter whether they shoot L or R. Looking at stats from Ryan Ellis, or examining Noah Hanifin or whatever top D prospect, this player shouldn’t be able to crack an NHL lineup for a full two seaons after being drafted.

    By summer 2020 we’ll have moved on from Russell (likely) and possibly Sekera, so there should be room for a LHD by then.

    Previously I was adamant about Boqvist and now interested in Bouchard, but in reality the Oilers with Larsson – Benning – Bear slated as the right side for the future, we’re in a position to select the best defenseman period, regardless of “handedness”.
    **********************************************************************************************
    I like both Bear and Benning but I am not sure they scream out top 4 talent.
    ( I certainly like both don’t get me wrong)

    For me the LHD is set for the better part of a decade with Nurse and Klef. Larsson
    as the sole legitimate RHD but pretty shy offensively.

    Just missing that elite offensive RHD to really push the puck North strong and fast. And play PP.
    True balance.

    Now, of course we seem to be lowering ourselves in the draft so that elite RHD might not even be there anyway.

  91. knighttown says:

    godot10: One should NEVER offer bottom half roster players durationi.See Russell.See Lucic. 3 years to Kassian was stupid.4 years for Strome would be insanity.2 years MAX.

    These players are replaceable players.

    That’s fair.

  92. Munny says:

    Pouzar: Maaan if this kid doesn’t sign……..

    No kidding. We have a year to sign him though, right?

  93. Professor Q says:

    How can a team trade post-deadline? I know it happens in the playoffs from time to time, but it always befuddles me.

  94. pts2pndr says:

    flea,

    Remenda is at his best and most intelligent when he is silent!

  95. speeds says:

    McSorley33:

    For me the LHD is set for the better part of a decade with Nurse and Klef. Larsson
    as the sole legitimate RHD but pretty shy offensively.

    Just missing that elite offensive RHDto really push the puck North strong and fast. And play PP.
    True balance.

    Now, of course we seem to be lowering ourselves in the draft so that elite RHD might not even be there anyway.

    To me, you have to be extremely careful in just how much you factor handedness. Sure, if you have a couple D prospects rated similarly, picking the rh D maybe makes some sense.

    But you wouldn’t be thrilled with overvaluing that criteria if (for example) you’ve drafted Bouchard ahead of Hughes, and Hughes becomes an elite D while Bouchard is a 2nd/3rd pair D.

  96. pts2pndr says:

    knighttown:
    I wasn’t on the thread last night so don’t know if it was discussed but if not, YIKES on Justin Faulk.He looked absolutely dreadful.

    They need to be really sure what this guy is before they move RNH for him.He’s only got 30 points despite playing 1st PP minutes.And if what I saw is any indication, this is not a player that is going to help your GA.

    If the price is Nuge, I’m looking at only Jaccob Slavin.

    Back to Faulk…they need to get under the hood and see if this is a Jordan Eberle situation where a guy is just beat-down and running cold or what.Strome and a 2nd maybe?

    I have watched him several times since his name came up as a possible solution to our rigt D power play specialist. If it is for Nuge and Carolina is willing to add a young winger and their 2018 first I think it might be worth looking at! Faulk is past his best before date! He never was great at defense and now has lost a step skating wise at least by what I have observed.

  97. Pink Socks says:

    Nice move by PC on this one, can’t see a criticism on the move except if he doesn’t sign. Could be a real nice pickup.

  98. pts2pndr says:

    Andy Dufresne: Another Chiarelli success story, Targeted young 3C with scoring skill. May get signed to a Value contract in the offseason.

    Ok Andy suppose I agree with you,then why did it take the coach over half the season to figure it out? Did he have to earn his third line center position by failing as a right winger? An experienced coaching staff would and or should have picked up on this much, much quicker. The way this season has played out, you can not in good conscience say both GM and coach have done a good job as they are mutualy exclusive!

  99. T0ML says:

    What if , and just bear with me, this was a plan. Shit season = EASY RESIGN ON CHEAP!!!!

    naw i kid, it was horrible asset management … we all saw Strome as 3C day one…

    pts2pndr: Ok Andy suppose I agree with you,then why did it take the coach over half the season to figure it out? Did he have to earn his third line center position by failing as a right winger? An experienced coaching staff would and or should have picked up on this much, much quicker. The way this season has played out, you can not in good conscience say both GM and coach have done a good job as they are mutualy exclusive!

  100. pts2pndr says:

    JimmyV1965:
    I’ve been critical of Benning this year, but I thought he had a great game last night.Was strong in both ends, laid out some big hits, passing with authority and actually skated the puck out of the dzone a couple times.

    JimmyV1965,

    He looked much better than Faulk!

  101. Andy Dufresne says:

    John Chambers:
    Regarding handedness of draftable defensemen:

    At this point it doesn’t really matter whether they shoot L or R. Looking at stats from Ryan Ellis, or examining Noah Hanifin or whatever top D prospect, this player shouldn’t be able to crack an NHL lineup for a full two seaons after being drafted.

    By summer 2020 we’ll have moved on from Russell (likely) and possibly Sekera, so there should be room for a LHD by then.

    Previously I was adamant about Boqvist and now interested in Bouchard, but in reality the Oilers with Larsson – Benning – Bear slated as the right side for the future, we’re in a position to select the best defenseman period, regardless of “handedness”.

    Everything you say is accurate, I would only add that LHD seem to outnumber RHD about 3 to 1 so there is a scarcity component. Scarcity elevates value.

  102. leadfarmer says:

    godot10,

    And one should definitely not give them NMC NTC

  103. Primetime says:

    Professor Q:
    How can a team trade post-deadline? I know it happens in the playoffs from time to time, but it always befuddles me.

    Can trade players at any time of the year. If done after trade deadline though, the player is ineligible for the playoffs that season. Therefore prospects and draft picks are more likely to be involved, but technically a non-playoff team could still trade for someone to take on a test run for the remainder of the season if they wanted to.

    If Edmonton had a trade in place for Hoffman, they could do it right now and get a jump start on the McDavid-Hoffman magic for next year!

  104. pts2pndr says:

    Wilde:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    Hughes flies like Nurse but is quicker and more slippery laterally and accelerates harder(he gets really low on his crossovers like Barzal), and then has the brain, vision and hands to actually make a scoring play out of it which is where Nurse struggles.

    This makes him an absolute gamebreaker. His 16/17 year old season was insane already, he’s late birthday so you have to weigh that season more, and now as a freshman defenseman he’s playing against 22yo forwards beating forechecks and taking pucks away.

    Unreal talent. If he drops to ustake him.

    Oh also he’s got a ridiculous shot, one time or not.

    Wilde,

    Does he become our 3,4,5, left D. There becomes a point where teams will see the obvious and we will have to move a LD for far less than true value. While I appreciate what you are saying this is where Oiler management will have to be very astute!

  105. Andy Dufresne says:

    pts2pndr: Ok Andy suppose I agree with you,then why did it take the coach over half the season to figure it out? Did he have to earn his third line center position by failing as a right winger? An experienced coaching staff would and or should have picked up on this much, much quicker. The way this season has played out, you can not in good conscience say both GM and coach have done a good job as they are mutualy exclusive!

    I said, 2 Factors

    1) when you bring a relatively young player into the organization, one who is/was struggling with confidence/consistency you do everything you can to boost his confidence. So you experiment. You play him with better players sometimes to see it that helps him offensively. You play him on the wing if hes lacking confidence because its an easier position to play. As he gains confidence you give him more PP time, etc IT A PROCESS. Its what good coaches do. Its not my opinion. Itsa fact.

    2) almost every new player (regardless of age) takes time to adjust to his new team/environment, learn the systems, build chemistry, build relaitionships, get to understand the coaching staff and what they are trying to instill…etc etc also fact

    You say a more experienced Coach….TMac.has been a professional coach for 25 years and NHL Head Coach for 10……how much experience are you looking for?

    Its similar in principle to Draisaitl…..you think hes failing his way into becoming a Centerman?

  106. OilClog says:

    Sadly you can’t tell one group of players they have to earn their ice time while gifting another group ice time, these two groups of players can’t exist on a team if you want the team to function like one. Vegas is successful because everyone is treated the same and players respect that, because well they’re still humans.

    This is the exact position a team in any sport will find themselves in, Draft lottery territory.

    Puljujarvi should be seeing heavy minutes with 97 and 29, he’s not and it’s a serious issues when the season has been lost for so long. If development is the goal ship him back to play 1st line minutes in the AHL, since it’s impossible for him to receive any in the bigs, but hey it was hard for him to get prime minutes down there as well. Because Oilers, you have to earn your ice time in the AHL over journey men because that’s how development is done apparently.

    Chia needs a success story that’s a modern day miracle to recover from his self inflicted destruction.

    TMac needs a year away from behind the bench and watch hockey as fan again, maybe then he’ll adjust some of his philosophies and can recover his career.

  107. Andy Dufresne says:

    OilClog:
    Sadly you can’t tell one group of players they have to earn their ice time while gifting another group ice time, these two groups of players can’t exist on a team if you want the team to function like one. Vegas is successful because everyone is treated the same and players respect that, because well they’re still humans.

    This is the exact position a team in any sport will find themselves in, Draft lottery territory.

    Puljujarvi should be seeing heavy minutes with 97 and 29, he’s not and it’s a serious issues when the season has been lost for so long. If development is the goal ship him back to play 1st line minutes in the AHL, since it’s impossible for him to receive any in the bigs, but hey it was hard for him to get prime minutes down there as well. Because Oilers, you have to earn your ice time in the AHL over journey men because that’s how development is done apparently.

    Chia needs a success story that’s a modern day miracle to recover from his self inflicted destruction.

    TMac needs a year away from behind the bench and watch hockey as fan again, maybe then he’ll adjust some of his philosophies and can recover his career.

    This is nonsense.

  108. leadfarmer says:

    So we’re trying to jump start the rebuild by trading future picks for more developed prospects

  109. OilClog says:

    Andy Dufresne: I said, 2 Factors

    1) when you bring a relatively young player into the organization, one who is/was struggling with confidence/consistency you do everything you can to boost his confidence. So you experiment. You play him with better players sometimes to see it that helps him offensively. You play him on the wing if hes lacking confidence because its an easier position to play. As he gains confidence you give him more PP time, etc IT A PROCESS.Its what good coaches do. Its not my opinion. Itsafact.

    2) almost every new player (regardless of age) takes time to adjust to his new team/environment, learn the systems, build chemistry, build relaitionships, get to understand the coaching staff and what they are trying to instill…etc etcalso fact

    You say a more experienced Coach….TMac.has been a professional coach for 25 years and NHL Head Coach for 10……how much experience are you looking for?

    1. Player has stated several times in both organizations his confidence comes back being a center, not playing the wing. That’s when this player loses his confidence, he’s admitted as much. There’s a lotto pick that has a much better RHD shot that needs confidence with the scoring of goals? Where’s his PP time with the top unit in the position he’s tailor made for? It’s a fact.

    2. The coach with 10 years of head coaching experience in the NHL used 60% of the season like it’s an extended preseason. He refused to spread the offense, he refused to try Nuge on the MCwing until the season is lost. He refused to removed Letestu off of the power play or penalty kill, and both are exceptionally better after the player was traded. He put Lucic into game situations he should never be in and costed the team important wins during the first 90 days of the season, this is after a full season with the player. The experience coach failed to recognize players strengths and weaknesses after having them at his disposal for 2-3 seasons now. It’s a fact.

  110. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    knighttown: Thanks for that Woodguy.

    One game means literally nothing but I’ll tell you who JF reminded me of last night.End-of-days Justin Schultz.All he was missing was the one-hand-on-the-stick mosey.His loss of the stick on his failed stick check on Aberg was a downright spot on Schulzian imitation.

    Slavin on the other hand, me likey.What do the numbers show there?He has always given McDavid fits.LHD isn’t ideal but he’s big and can skate and seems really committed to the defensive side of the puck.I like another poster’s Nurse comparison but he’s got maybe less tools but way more polish.Nurse is still a D- in offensive zone awareness.He’s also just 23 years old and put up 34 last year assumingly with almost no PP time.

    He reminds me of a couple of those young horses in Anaheim; Manson and Montour.Complete 3-zone players with tools and a toolkit.

    Man with Fleury there now they’ve got some real pedigree.What are your thoughts on Pesce and Hanifan?Who is stirring the drink on that defensive unit and who is along for the ride?Gotta think someone is going to be moved for help up front.

    Slavin-Pesce is a top 5, probably top 3 tough minute Dpair in the leauge.

    They were last year too.

    Crazy.

  111. OilClog says:

    Andy Dufresne: This is nonsense.

    Why? because it’s not the story you’re telling.

    Vegas has told everyone why they’re successful, It’s a fact

    The season is lost, development should be the goal, it’s a fact.

    Chia has as many success stories in Edmonton as MacT as GM. It’s a fact.

    JP didn’t get prime minutes in Bakers, he had to “earn” them over journey men, it’s a fact.

    TMac has been coaching for 10years straight with all the rigours that go with it, his hair is whiter then it’s ever been. Could the man be burnt out and need some time away? Yea pure non sense.

    Please spit some more Chia success for us all kind sir.

  112. --hudson-- says:

    Todd’s availability today. Nothing too interesting. Some of the people who cover the Oilers seem to have a lot of trouble forming a proper question.

    Source video:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrztOONUwYs
    ————————————————–
    Q: …one of the things we’ve heard a couple players say is “We want to, you know, replay (?) the season, we know we’re not where we want to be, but we still want to show people we’re a good team.” And I wonder if you could continue that theme as you finish off the rest of the season…
    A: Well we better continue that theme, you know, the players have shown a real strong work ethic, and a willingness to do it right over the past two weeks when it could have been easy to roll over and play dead. So that’s a real good sign for our team and our organization moving forward. Obviously we’ve got to get better in a lot of areas, but at least we’re given ourselves a chance right now to get better. It’s an indication that there’s a lot of self-pride in there and there’s a lot of guys that are upset with the performance we’ve had as a season. But the years not over, and we’ve got to continue to perform, and as I’ve been saying for a few weeks now, try and move the needle the right direction so that we can evaluate and we can head into the summer with a clear plan, and work from there.

    Q: Along those same lines, you got five points the other night, from two guys who hadn’t played on the weekend, and in Auvitu’s case, he hadn’t played in a month. Is there a certain level of professionalism that, I know you expect, but is it nice to see as a secondary contribution in the game.
    A: Yeah it’s very important, every team has players that don’t get into the lineup every night, you know, for whatever reasons and those players are often the hardest-working guys that are on your club. They maintain their fitness level, they mentally have to be very strong to overcome a lot of negative thoughts of not being in the lineup, but when they get the opportunity to perform you want them to be at their best and Yohan was that yesterday. He came in, and in a tough situation, where he hadn’t played for a while, and we have a number D men that are out and injured… he came in and performed very well. So good for him and it’s a reflection on his character I believe.

  113. John Chambers says:

    Andy Dufresne: Everything you say is accurate, I would only add that LHD seem to outnumber RHD about 3 to 1 so there is a scarcity component. Scarcity elevates value.

    Agreed on the scarcity.

    My preference is for them to draft Boqvist. But I’ll let the scouts figure out who skates and transitions the puck forward the best.

    It’s a fine year to draft a defenseman, anyway.

  114. pts2pndr says:

    Andy Dufresne: I said, 2 Factors

    1) when you bring a relatively young player into the organization, one who is/was struggling with confidence/consistency you do everything you can to boost his confidence. So you experiment. You play him with better players sometimes to see it that helps him offensively. You play him on the wing if hes lacking confidence because its an easier position to play. As he gains confidence you give him more PP time, etc IT A PROCESS.Its what good coaches do. Its not my opinion. Itsafact.

    2) almost every new player (regardless of age) takes time to adjust to his new team/environment, learn the systems, build chemistry, build relaitionships, get to understand the coaching staff and what they are trying to instill…etc etcalso fact

    You say a more experienced Coach….TMac.has been a professional coach for 25 years and NHL Head Coach for 10……how much experience are you looking for?

    Its similar in principle to Draisaitl…..you think hes failing his way into becoming a Centerman?

    You have misconstrued what I said. That in fairness may be how I said it. You have used the term earned ice time. What I am saying is quite simply that an experienced coach should not require half a season to confirm a scouting report on a player that states he is a much better center than winger! I also alluded to the fact that it is possible in a failed season for one of the coach and or GM to be culpible and not necessarily both! In only extreme cases can you say both your coach and GM are capable given the Oilers current standings. Either you have the tools or you don’t! In my opinion given what I have watched unfold one of the coach or GM has to be gone. It is about the team results and not based on who they are as individuals. I respect both of them and the respect has been earned! They just do not seem to work as a team. GM Coach disconect!

  115. bendelson says:

    OilClog: Vegas has told everyone why they’re successful, It’s a fact
    The season is lost, development should be the goal, it’s a fact.
    Chia has as many success stories in Edmonton as MacT as GM. It’s a fact.
    JP didn’t get prime minutes in Bakers, he had to “earn” them over journey men, it’s a fact.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A-_UChElOho

  116. leadfarmer says:

    Cap to rise to between 78 and 82 mil for next season. Hope they use the 5% cap escalator to get it closer to the higher number. We need the cap to increase and increase fast

  117. pts2pndr says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    Sorry Andy this is leadership 101, Been there lived it!

  118. OilClog says:

    https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/1510178

    June 2020 is the earliest an expansion draft happens per report.

  119. OilClog says:

    bendelson: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A-_UChElOho

    Now I need some whiskey and long thoughts about that high school love,

  120. Numenius says:

    jtblack: What about Mike Green for nxt season assuming …

    1) he will come to Edm
    2) he will take a 1 yr or 2 yr deal
    3) he will take $5 mil or less per
    4) it works under our cap

    That’d be nice, but I don’t see how our cap allows it.

    Estimated cap next year: 80M.

    Signing all free agents (or comparables) to similar contacts with slight raises and keeping Nuge, signing Benning for $2M and Nurse for 4.5M already gets you to 77.5 M.

    That leaves 2.5M, which is not enough to sign Green.

    We’d either have to trade Nuge or find a way for Russell or Lucic to go on LTIR.

    I wouldn’t dare trade Nuge, but if Chia can work a miracle with Russell or Lucic, more power to him.

  121. pts2pndr says:

    T0ML:
    What if , and just bear with me, this was a plan.Shit season = EASY RESIGN ON CHEAP!!!!

    naw i kid, it was horrible asset management … we all saw Strome as 3C day one…

    There at very least has been a coach/management disconnect! I believe their character Is beyond reproach!

  122. DBO says:

    once again Chia does well on the small deals. If this had been the original return for MAroon, we would have been happy. A college player who can go to the AHL next year and is 1 to 3 years away instead of a mid 3rd pick that may or may not do anything. Solid deal.

  123. pts2pndr says:

    John Chambers: Agreed on the scarcity.

    My preference is for them to draft Boqvist. But I’ll let the scouts figure out who skates and transitions the puck forward the best.

    It’s a fine year to draft a defenseman, anyway.

    plus 1

  124. Numenius says:

    Munny: I have trouble hating this trade. However Hexie hates our guts and the kid has nice arrows this season… wonder what prompted him to make this move?

    Marody probably said he wouldn’t sign with the Flyers, so Hextall was in danger of losing him for nothing (see: Justin Schultz).

    Now we just need to hope there’s a deal in place to sign with us, which I can’t imagine wouldn’t be the case.

  125. leadfarmer says:

    Numenius,

    Then we have to resign Talbot/other starter and JP the following year

  126. JimmyV1965 says:

    pts2pndr: Ok Andy suppose I agree with you,then why did it take the coach over half the season to figure it out? Did he have to earn his third line center position by failing as a right winger? An experienced coaching staff would and or should have picked up on this much, much quicker. The way this season has played out, you can not in good conscience say both GM and coach have done a good job as they are mutualy exclusive!

    To be fair, when the Oilers picked him up he was considered a winger. That’s where he spent most of his time in New York.

  127. Lowetide says:

    For The Athletic: What are the Oilers getting in Cooper Marody

    https://theathletic.com/282931/2018/03/21/lowetide-what-are-the-oilers-getting-in-cooper-marody/

  128. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    knighttown,

    Re: Faulk vs Barrie.

    Corsica.hockey has a stat called “RelT”. That stands for “Relative Team mate”

    Its different from the normal “Rels” that we are used to.

    “RelT” is basically the summation of WOWY. It answers the questions “Do his team mates do better with him or without him”

    That question is fraught with lots of situational and deployment questions (if a player plays tough minutes a lot then often team mates to worse and vice versa), but its a good overall metric.

    The normal “Rels” are “On/Off” measures. This is how the team does with “X” on the ice, this is how they do with “X” off the ice.

    All this being said, let’s look at Barrie’s and Faulks’s “RelT” measures over the last two years as they are more indicative of future play than going back further.

    The last two years are also important for Faulk as Slavin-Pesce have been the 1st pair for CAR over this time and Faulk’s results are in 2nd pair minutes.

    Faulk has had some bad partners and some good ones.

    Barrie has had some bad partners and some not as bad partners.

    Barrie has played a lot of 1st pair minutes as Johnson has played only 46 games last year and 56 this year.

    All metrics are from the start of the 16/17 season until now.

    RelTeam GF%
    16/17
    Faulk -5.57
    Barrie +1.70

    17/18
    Faulk -0.94
    Barrie +0.88

    RelTeam CF%
    16/17
    Faulk +1.52
    Barrie +0.86

    17/18
    Faulk +1.53
    Barrie -0.11

    Those are the two most important metrics imo.

    Shots and goals. Shots predict the future better, but goals mean something in season wide samples that shots can’t quite capture in terms of offensive and defensive ability, but lordy goals are subject to wild swings.

    These two metrics are what have swung me towards Barrie if the question is “Faulk or Barrie”

    He’s played a ton of 1st pair and CAR hammers Slavin-Pesce with the hard minutes.

    I think Barrie makes his team better in a few respects.

    Lots of people like to break these down into offensive and defensive results but I think looking at the overall is more instructive.

    Not every player add more offence or defence as the next player.

    It is, and always has been, what you create minus what you give up.

    If a player gives up a lot, they better create a lot and that gets lost on 200 Hockey Men every day of the week until its so glaring the go from baiting Hall in 2017 to pining for him in 2018.

  129. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Lowetide:
    For The Athletic: What are the Oilers getting in Cooper Marody

    https://theathletic.com/282931/2018/03/21/lowetide-what-are-the-oilers-getting-in-cooper-marody/

    Enjoying your work at Athletic. I have been on board with a lot of PCs signings of outlier players. They have good thinking behind them, players with good reasons for struggling and usually smart and skilled types. I also like that they are recognizing players that are good skaters or better. I think it matters.

    If they could only stop screwing up big trades.

  130. HenryDrix says:

    knighttown:
    And speaking of Strome…I’m going to say it…I really like the player.I really like cerebral hockey players and boy is his brain quick.He actually reminds me of a Nuge/Eberle hybrid.He’s smart as a whip and moves the puck quickly and accurately and is pretty dogged on the puck like RNH.I get the sense this is a new attribute for him.Like Eberle, he isn’t blazing fast but moves well laterally with the puck especially and seems to be able to create scoring chances when he’s given the puck with speed.His hands seem to disappear in the scoring area (not a finisher?) but I’d bet on the skill set overcoming that voodoo.

    I think his success is in good part because he faces the dregs quite often so hopefully he knows that and signs pretty cheap.I’m thinking 4 x 3ish.

    Agree, Strome reminds me of Nuge, A poor mans Nuge.

  131. Lowetide says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Enjoying your work at Athletic. I have been on board with a lot of PCs signings of outlier players. They have good thinking behind them, players with good reasons for struggling and usually smart and skilled types. I also like that they are recognizing players that are good skaters or better. I think it matters.

    If they could only stop screwing up big trades.

    Thanks! I think it would be wise to avoid the big trade freeway this summer.

  132. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Lowetide: Thanks! I think it would be wise to avoid the big trade freeway this summer.

    Yes, there aren’t many potential wins out there.

  133. SwedishPoster says:

    Dicky94:
    Hockey Project,

    I watched the Hurricane feed and really enjoyed the two guys doing the game. Their knowledge of the Oilers players was quite impressive. Would definitely watch their feed again.

    Yeah, swedish tv had the Canes crew and I agree, very nice feed, they were very well prepared and knew a lot about the players on both. For example I learned the Nurse does ju jutsu during off season, didn’t know that. One of the best crews I’ve heard the last few seasons.

  134. Doug McLachlan says:

    Like the bet Chia is making with this trade.

    Was really interested in Boqvist about a month ago and was comfortable with Bouchard as a consolation RHD prize. With the Oilers’ season ending run it is likely a moot discussion. The Oilers pulled ahead of Chicago and likely will reel in the Rangers, Islanders and maybe even the Hurricanes (if last night’s performance was any indication of Carolina’s commitment to playing out the string) so outside of a favorable ping pong ball bounce (or a trade) will be picking after Boqvist or even Bouchard is off the board.

  135. SwedishPoster says:

    On Jesse he once again had a strong game when he played a more of a playmaking game, holding on to the puck looking for plays instead of firing as soon as he sees an opening.

    Åberg with his best game in his short oilers career, he sure needed that one. Since he’s not overly clever on the ice he likely needs to consistently go to the front of the net to be efficent and be decisive with the puck on his stick. Still don’t think him and Caggiula is a great combo due to a lack of cerebral funktion on the ice but if anyone can make it work it’s Leon, compensating with his big playmaker brain.

    I think RNH, McDavid needs a better board and/or cycle player than Rattie as the third man to work long term and against tighter checking.

    The Hurricanes played some really terrible defense yesterday, it was a breeze getting through the middle of the ice, their D didn’t exactly blow you away. Faulk was dreadful as has been mentioned, I also think Fleury was really unimpressive and I’ve never been a fan of Dahlbeck, truly limited player.

    Regarding Faulk the Canes crew’s comments were pretty funny on last nights feed, it went something like this; “He added a lot of, uh, muscle last summer and isn’t moving as well, I think he’d be quicker and more agile if he lost 15 pounds.”

    Cooper Marody showed well when I did my draft work on the 2015 draft three years ago. He also has an awesome name. His college numbers has been strong since, when you read scouting reports from the last few years he checks a lot of crucial boxes for an offensive player, he’s shown character in overcoming setbacks more than once. So why do the Flyers let him go, and why are most scouting reports slightly reserved despite good numbers and an intriguing set of skills, why did he last to the 6th round? What’s the big flaw? Or is he one of those guys who produces well everywhere but just won’t look good doing it so everyone is sleeping on him? Let’s hope for the latter.

  136. SwedishPoster says:

    The quarterfinals of the SHL playoffs are up and running and our boys are doing well.

    Lagesson and his Djurgården teammates are tied 1-1 after two games. Lagesson played a little over 16 minutes, had no points and was +1 in the first game in which his team won 6-1. In game two he played 38:52, most on his team, in an ot loss, he was even, no points.

    Berglund has played even better. In game one he played 19:19 mins, third most on his team, had 2 SOG but no points though in the NHL he’d probably gotten a 2nd assist after some boardwork on one of the goals, he was +3 when his team won 3-1. Game two he played 20:02, most on his team, had an assist and was +2 in a 5-0 win. He lost his D partner to injury just before the playoffs which has forced him to take on a bigger role on his pairing and on the team and he’s ran with it. He’s been his teams best D over the first two games.

  137. pts2pndr says:

    JimmyV1965,

    That is true but he was not successful as a winger. He is on record as saying he is more compfortable playing center. No matter how long you try to fit a square peg in a round hole it will not fit! His success in junior was as a center. His success in NHL is as a center. It would seem prudent to even a casual fan to play him at center first and then try him at wing. Some players adapt others do not. A good coach should be able to determine where the player is most competent!

    SwedishPoster: Yeah, swedish tv had the Canes crew and I agree, very nice feed, they were very well prepared and knew a lot about the players on both. For example I learned the Nurse does ju jutsu during off season, didn’t know that. One of the best crews I’ve heard the last few seasons.

    I agree! Had a choice of broadcasts and chose the canes crew!

  138. Scungilli Slushy says:

    SwedishPoster:
    On Jesse he once again had a strong game when he played a more of a playmaking game, holding on to the puck looking for plays instead of firing as soon as he sees an opening.

    Åberg with his best game in his short oilers career, he sure needed that one. Since he’s not overly clever on the ice he likely needs to consistently go to the front of the net to be efficent and be decisive with the puck on his stick. Still don’t think him and Caggiula is a great combo due to a lack of cerebral funktion on the ice but if anyone can make it work it’s Leon,compensating with his big playmaker brain.

    I think RNH, McDavid needs a better board and/or cycle player than Rattie as the third man to work long term and against tighter checking.

    The Hurricanes played some really terrible defense yesterday, it was a breeze getting through the middle of the ice, their D didn’t exactly blow you away. Faulk was dreadful as has been mentioned, I also think Fleury was really unimpressive and I’ve never been a fan of Dahlbeck, truly limited player.

    Regarding Faulk the Canes crew’s comments were pretty funny on last nights feed, it went something like this; “He added a lot of, uh, muscle last summer and isn’t moving as well, I think he’d be quicker and more agile if he lost 15 pounds.”

    Cooper Marody showed well when I did my draft work on the 2015 draft three years ago. He also has an awesome name. His college numbers has been strong since, when you read scouting reports from the last few years he checks a lot of crucial boxes for an offensive player, he’s shown character in overcoming setbacks more than once. So why do the Flyers let him go, and why are most scouting reports slightly reserved despite good numbers and an intriguing set of skills, why did he last to the 6th round? What’s the big flaw? Or is he one of those guys who produces well everywhere but just won’t look good doing it so everyone is sleeping on him? Let’s hope for the latter.

    I am in complete agreement. Connor needs a winger who does his dirty work and can score, not a player floating around waiting for a set up.

    If a set up man is his winger, he better be getting 50-60 goals a year, a complete killer. There aren’t many that are affordable or available with Connor’s 12.5.

    The best player in the world shouldn’t be carrying dead weight. On a good team.

  139. Scungilli Slushy says:

    SwedishPoster: On Jesse he once again had a strong game when he played a more of a playmaking game, holding on to the puck looking for plays instead of firing as soon as he sees an opening.

    I keep thinking he should be a centre for these reasons. Playmaking, skating, defensive play and seeing the ice so well. And big. Wingers should be the aggressive scoring types. Like Laine.

  140. YKOil says:

    Scungilli Slushy: … I have been on board with a lot of PCs signings of outlier players. They have good thinking behind them, players with good reasons for struggling and usually smart and skilled types. I also like that they are recognizing players that are good skaters or better. I think it matters.

    If they could only stop screwing up big trades.

    PC’s issue, imo, has always been that of “what I want, I want” and that kind of attitude, when it shows as a problem, shows up when someone is actively shopping for something they think they need – not when they are just browsing the shelves.

  141. Harpers Hair says:

    SwedishPoster:
    On Jesse he once again had a strong game when he played a more of a playmaking game, holding on to the puck looking for plays instead of firing as soon as he sees an opening.

    Åberg with his best game in his short oilers career, he sure needed that one. Since he’s not overly clever on the ice he likely needs to consistently go to the front of the net to be efficent and be decisive with the puck on his stick. Still don’t think him and Caggiula is a great combo due to a lack of cerebral funktion on the ice but if anyone can make it work it’s Leon,compensating with his big playmaker brain.

    I think RNH, McDavid needs a better board and/or cycle player than Rattie as the third man to work long term and against tighter checking.

    The Hurricanes played some really terrible defense yesterday, it was a breeze getting through the middle of the ice, their D didn’t exactly blow you away. Faulk was dreadful as has been mentioned, I also think Fleury was really unimpressive and I’ve never been a fan of Dahlbeck, truly limited player.

    Regarding Faulk the Canes crew’s comments were pretty funny on last nights feed, it went something like this; “He added a lot of, uh, muscle last summer and isn’t moving as well, I think he’d be quicker and more agile if he lost 15 pounds.”

    Cooper Marody showed well when I did my draft work on the 2015 draft three years ago. He also has an awesome name. His college numbers has been strong since, when you read scouting reports from the last few years he checks a lot of crucial boxes for an offensive player, he’s shown character in overcoming setbacks more than once. So why do the Flyers let him go, and why are most scouting reports slightly reserved despite good numbers and an intriguing set of skills, why did he last to the 6th round? What’s the big flaw? Or is he one of those guys who produces well everywhere but just won’t look good doing it so everyone is sleeping on him? Let’s hope for the latter.

    Ryan Potulny.

  142. jp says:

    SwedishPoster:
    The quarterfinals of the SHL playoffs are up and running and our boys are doing well.

    In game two he played 38:52, most on his team, in an ot loss, he was even, no points.

    Thanks for the updates! I guess this is a typo though??

  143. jp says:

    Wilde:
    Primetime,

    Either his height or his weight are wrong LOL

    I don’t think people know what 200 lean on 5’9″ looks like

    How do you know it’s lean?

  144. Gayfish says:

    Scungilli Slushy: I am in complete agreement. Connor needs a winger who does his dirty work and can score, not a player floating around waiting for a set up.

    If a set up man is his winger, he better be getting 50-60 goals a year, a complete killer. There aren’t many that are affordable or available with Connor’s 12.5.

    The best player in the world shouldn’t be carrying dead weight. On a good team.

    I’m less worried about speculating about a perfect fit for connor, as best lines change depending on the game. There are enough holes on our wings that we should just be getting bonifide players. Fill up the depth chart, and that will give McDavid a ton of breathing room. Winning matchups is more important than finding chem for the 1line imo.

    People also seem to forget that Eberle-CMD was once a good pair, as was Nail-CMD. Lucic and Maroon were both “hard area” guys, and I think there is a strong argument that both were styming offense. McDavid typically scores off the rush, and I think it is more important to have guys who can contribute there.

  145. flyfish1168 says:

    Yahoo phlegms lose by a shutout again

  146. Bobcaygeon says:

    Woodguy v2.0: new

    I’m getting a Schultz feeling with Faulk….may be a new team is what this kid needs.

    I’m new at this analytic stuff but getting better (thanks to posters such as yourself) but does this take into consideration who’s on the ice (forwards) obviously D partners and goalie? Does this just track goals and shots?
    I’m curious as to how Schultz on the Oilers would be in comparison to Faulk? Schultz was saddled with N.Schultz and a old broken Ference, by the time Schultz left Edmonton he was a shell of a player.
    If the Oilers could by low on Faulk would he not serve as a good 3rd pairing RHD with the ability to eventually move up into the 2nd pairing..

  147. WayneKenov says:

    Numenius: Marody probably said he wouldn’t sign with the Flyers, so Hextall was in danger of losing him for nothing (see: Justin Schultz).

    Now we just need to hope there’s a deal in place to sign with us, which I can’t imagine wouldn’t be the case.

    If Maroon was worth a B-list prospect with signing issues, then that is a serious indictment of our GM. Haven’t seen many Maroon mentions on here, but he’s 9gp-2-6-8 and it looks like it’s mostly middle six minutes.

  148. GMB3 says:

    Wilde,

    No limits ferry pass? From VI? How did you get one of those

  149. SwedishPoster says:

    jp: Thanks for the updates! I guess this is a typo though??

    No typo, the OT went on until the 6th period. So he played 38:52.

  150. jtblack says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    I would say Faulk looks OK in this metric. CAR doesnt have a prolific scorers. CF% is a positive.

  151. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    jtblack:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    I would say Faulk looks OK in this metric. CAR doesnt have a prolific scorers. CF% is a positive.

    He’s not a bad player. I think he has trouble defending the net though.

    This was supposed to be a series of posts but I got busy at home.

    Here’s Barrie and Faulk’s most common Dpartners last 2 years:

    Barrie
    16/17
    With TOI With
    Fedor Tyutin 511.9
    Francois Beauchemin 276.5
    Patrick Wiercioch 196.9
    Nikita Zadorov 129.2
    Mark Barberio 126.8
    Erik Johnson 61.5
    Eric Gelinas 36.3
    Anton Lindholm 24.6

    17/18
    With TOI With
    Nikita Zadorov 255.2
    Patrik Nemeth 222.0
    Samuel Girard 133.4
    Anton Lindholm 126.7
    Erik Johnson 114.2
    Mark Barberio 45.8
    Chris Bigras 38.0
    Duncan Siemens 24.1
    David Warsofsky 24.1
    Andrei Mironov 20.0

    Justin Faulk
    16/17
    With TOI With
    Ron Hainsey 685.8
    Jaccob Slavin 328.2
    Noah Hanifin 290.2
    Brett Pesce 39.0
    Klas Dahlbeck 22.9

    17/18
    With TOI With
    Haydn Fleury 465.3
    Jaccob Slavin 286.5
    Noah Hanifin 254.0
    Klas Dahlbeck 196.3
    Trevor van Riemsdyk 31.9
    Brett Pesce 31.3

    So if you now look at their results, Barrie’s look much stronger because he’s basically played with has -beens, never-was, rookies and tweeners over the last 2 years and not with Actual NHL Dmen for a partner for any significant time while playing 1st/2nd pair.

    Zadorov is coming around, but I’m not sure I count him as an “Actual Top 4 NHL Dman”

    Faulk in 16/17 played mostly with Hainsey (who played 1st pair with Dumoulin on PIT’s run to the Cup after the deadline) and Pesce then breaking in rookie Hanifin a bit. Not a bad 3 partners.

    This year he’s been holding rookie Fleury’s hand a lot and we need to take that into account, but Pesce and not-rookie Hanifin are pretty good.

  152. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Something else we need to take into account when using “RelT”

    How good is the rest of the team?

    If a player is on a strong team, its harder to get good “RelT”

    If you play D on NAS, you’re in tough to look good relative to your peers as your peers kick ass.

    In this way we need to look deeper at both these players as “Overall Quality of Team” will give Barrie more of a boost than Faulk.

  153. Jethro Tull says:

    Woodguy v2.0: If you play D on NAS, you’re in tough to look good relative to your peers as your peers kick ass.

    Isn’t this a paradox? If you can’t look good because your peers look good, but you are good, then how can they look good, so if they don’t look good and you look good, who is actually good?

    I need a drink of water…..

    I think it comes down to the old “he’s being zoomed” but let’s trade him “because his values never been higher”.

    But seeing as the whole NHL works on the Peter Principle (you are promoted/paid just past the ceiling of competence), i won’t hold my breath.

    Would Benning truly look worse playing for Nash, as he would be sheltered by good players?

    Of course, a certain Jultz has flourished in Pitts.

  154. GMB3 says:

    Jethro Tull: Isn’t this a paradox?If you can’t look good because your peers look good, but you are good, then how can they look good, so if they don’t look good and you look good, who is actually good?

    I need a drink of water…..

    I think it comes down to the old “he’s being zoomed” but let’s trade him “because his values never been higher”.

    But seeing as the whole NHL works on the Peter Principle (you are promoted/paid just past the ceiling of competence), i won’t hold my breath.

    Would Benning truly look worse playing for Nash, as he would be sheltered by good players?

    Of course, a certain Jultz has flourished in Pitts.

    I believe he is specifically referencing the teamRels. I may be mistaken though

  155. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    GMB3: I believe he is specifically referencing the teamRels. I may be mistaken though

    Yes, RelTeam mate which is the summation of WOWY.

    Standard “Rel” is player On/Off.

    With Dmen though, you *have* to look at pairs when analyzing how they effect the forwards.

    You can look individually at how the effect their partners

  156. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Jethro Tull,

    Using these RelTeam mates metrics, yes Benning would look worse because when a forward isn’t with Benning he might be with PK, Ellis, Josi or Ekholm.

    You gotta dig deep.

  157. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Bobcaygeon: I’m getting a Schultz feeling with Faulk….may be a new team is what this kid needs.

    I’m new at this analytic stuff but getting better (thanks to posters such as yourself) but does this take into consideration who’s on the ice (forwards) obviously D partners and goalie? Does this just track goals and shots?
    I’m curious as to how Schultz on the Oilers would be in comparison to Faulk? Schultz was saddled with N.Schultz and a old broken Ference, by the time Schultz left Edmonton he was a shell of a player.
    If the Oilers could by low on Faulk would he not serve as a good 3rd pairing RHD with the ability to eventually move up into the 2nd pairing..

    I doubt you can buy Faulk for cheap though.

    The metrics I showed were how the average team mate’s GF or CF changes when they play with Faulk/Barrie compared to when they are without him.

  158. Spooky Lynx says:

    Connor is the first Oiler to score 35 goals in a season since Ryan Smyth in 05/06 (via SportsNet)

    It’s mind bending.

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