G74 2017-18: Oilers at Senators

Yesterday, the Edmonton Oilers made a significant trade that will (probably) impact the pro depth chart in the fall. We’ll continue to monitor the current team, and the major storylines (McDavid Art Ross, Leon Draisaitl 80 points, Jesse Puljujarvi 15 goals, et cetera). However, it’s also time to look forward to the summer, and what may come.

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GOD ONLY KNOWS, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • March 2016: 6-4-0, goal differential 0 (12 points)
  • March 2017: 7-2-1, goal differential +16 (15 points)
  • March 2018: 5-4-1, goal differential +2 (11 points)
  • March 20, 2016: Colorado 3, Edmonton 2 (Source)
  • March 25, 2017: Edmonton 4, Colorado 1 (Source)

Oilers have now passed Chicago (now No. 24) and there are a few more teams who are vulnerable even this late in the year. Edmonton could pass the Islanders, Rangers and even Carolina, conceivably finishing No. 21 overall. That hurts the draft number, though.

AFTER 73, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers 15-16: 28-38-7, goal differential -47 (63 points)
  • Oilers 16-17: 39-25-9, goal differential +30 (87 points)
  • Oilers 17-18: 32-36-5, goal differential -30 (69 points)
  • March 18, 2016: Edmonton 2, Vancouver 0 (Source)
  • March 23, 2017: Edmonton 7, Colorado 3 (Source)

A win tonight gets Edmonton to 71 points, exceeding the final number for 2015-16. The club would still be 32 points behind the final tally of one year ago. It would be nice to see that goal differential tighten some more.

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM MARCH

  • At home to: Nashville, NY Rangers, Arizona, NY Islanders, Minnesota (Expected 2-3-0) (Actual 3-2-0)
  • On the road to: Calgary (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • At home to: San Jose (Expected 0-0-1) (Actual 0-0-1)
  • On the road to: Florida, Tampa Bay, Carolina, Ottawa (Expected 1-2-1) (Actual 2-1-0)
  • At home to: Los Angeles, Anaheim, Columbus (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Vancouver, Calgary (Expected 1-0-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 6-7-3, 15 points in 16 games
  • Current results: 5-4-1, 11 points in 10 games

The home stand to come is likely to poke a hole in this month, but the stronger play of Cam Talbot and Connor McDavid pushing should mean some success. Tonight’s game is going to be emotional, the Sens have played Edmonton very well in those circumstances. That said, the story surrounding this game is so incredibly sad that none of this matters at all. Absolutely devastated for the Karlsson family.

COOPER MARODY

If the Oilers sign Marody, he’s going to be a feature player in Bakersfield next fall.

This is a list of signed prospects, NHL men likely to spend time in Bakersfield and the RFA’s. I don’t expect we’ll see Ben Betker and Kyle Platzer return, not certain about the other gents. Marody is listed as a center so I put him there, could easily end up at right-wing. No matter what we think of the quality of these men, there are far more forward prospects in the conversation than one year ago. And most of the newcomers boast skill as a main asset.

I had Adam Mascherin No. 22 on my final list and he’s performed well since draft day. Whatever the issues facing player and team, the Oilers would be wise to consider grabbing this young man via the trade route (depending on price).

NHL EQUIVALENCIES (FORWARDS)

  • Put in the NHLE context, pretty clear the Oilers are trying to add skill to the pro pipeline right bleeding now.
  • Kailer Yamamoto is a strong candidate to play in the NHL all next season, in my opinion. If he does go to Bakersfield, Yamamoto will be among the most skilled men to play in the uniform (Leon, Puljujarvi).
  • Cooper Marody is clearly a skill forward and he is enjoying a strong junior season with Michigan. Mono and ineligibility issues impacted his first two seasons, possibly obscuring his true offensive ability.
  • Cameron Hebig is another impressive young player, don’t know where he’ll play next season but there is talent there.
  • Kirill Maksimov closed strong, Oilers have a fantastic prospect here. They signed him a week ago, if you like prospects, he’s the one you should be excited about (past Yamamoto).
  • Bogdan Yakimov has lost his bat. Ordinarily when you see a player like him (he was a legit prospect) there’s a time on ice issue that explains the low scoring totals. Yakimov played 14:46 a game, scoring just 8-3-11 in 56 games during the KHL season. Wildly disappointing.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A busy Thursday on the show, as we gear up for tonight’s game versus the Senators and talk about the GM meetings. Scheduled to appear, TSN1260 beginning at 10:

  • Paul Beirne, President of the CPL. He’ll be in the city this weekend doing his due diligence for the potential addition of a CPL franchise in Edmonton — beginning play in Spring 2019. There’s a town hall tonight and we’ll preview some of the topics.
  • Rob Vollman, ESPN and NHL.com. Rob has a new stat! Plus Rocket Richard race and previewing some of the possible playoff matchups.
  • Frank Seravalli, TSN. NHL general managers are changing the rules again!

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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  1. Pouzar says:

    As long as this regime is in power I have little hope that Marody/Hebig will be 1/2 down the middle in BAK next year.

  2. frjohnk says:

    Before a team would trade for the rights for Mascherin they need some assurance they could sign him.
    Like LT mentioned I would like this bet ( for the right price)

  3. Jethro Tull says:

    Pouzar:
    As long as this regime is in power I have little hope that Marody/Hebig will be 1/2 down the middle in BAK next year.

    And if they are?

  4. Pouzar says:

    Jethro Tull: And if they are?

    Then we have a new regime? YAY!

  5. flyfish1168 says:

    I like the trade for Cooper Marody. I hope the team was able to get a feel for him to see if he is willing to sign with us. Hate the thought we get nothing out of it.

  6. Pouzar says:

    I don’t like that Pronman rumor.

    Better sign the kid Chia.

  7. fifthcartel says:

    Pronman on Marody: “” Couldn’t nail this down before my college free agent post went up, but rumor on the street, and by street I mean my network of hockey folks, is that Marody wants to become a free agent (and now he’s been traded to Edmonton, which will try and get a deal done).”

    Ruh roh.

    (if this isn’t okay to post, then my bad and feel free to delete, LT!)

  8. Primetime says:

    “Kailer Yamamoto is a strong candidate to play in the NHL all next season”

    I know the pros and cons of this have been debated over and over…but I honestly think the one with the best chance of playing with the big club next year is Tyler Benson. He is more physically mature and and plays a more 2 way game. As a second round pick, management may see him as the cheap option at LW that can play anywhere from lines 1-4 without hurting his development. Kailer would need to be in an offensive position only to gain benefit, and likely needs time to adjust to playing against full grown men. Plus his bonus structure is (slightly) higher.

    If they have to spend money on a new RD or RW, rather than maybe re-signing Maroon, I think they will write Benson’s name in pen on the big club roster…

    To be honest, a fourth line of Benson-Khaira-Kassian could be fun to watch…

  9. Pouzar says:

    Nice article LT.
    Pronman’s mailbag is gold too. Short bursts of sugary goodness!

  10. frjohnk says:

    Pouzar: I don’t like that Pronman rumor.

    Better sign the kid Chia

    Id like to believe the Oilers snooped around to see if they could sign the kid before they traded an asset for his rights.

  11. geowal says:

    Trade?

  12. prefonmich says:

    If rumours are true this is akin to a team giving up a decent draft pick for a back up goalie about to be waived. Don’t know any GMs who would do that, do we?

  13. frjohnk says:

    prefonmich:
    If rumours are true this is akin to a team giving up a decent draft pick for a back up goalie about to be waived. Don’t know any GMs who would do that, do we?

    If the Oilers are making a bet that Marody will have a better chance of making it compared to a 3rd round pick, I like that bet.

    If the Oilers are making bets that he will sign with them because they are the Oilers and once signed, they will guarantee him NHL minutes with some of those minutes alongside Drai and McDavid, I dont like those bets

  14. 36 percent body fat says:

    why push them to minor pro?

    Maksimov, Safin, and Yamo should stay in junior. Look what happened with pitlick and hamilton. It really stalled their development. Especially if they are put on the fourth line.

    Another reason is to not start pro contracts early, what if seattle expansion is delayed a year.

  15. OmJo says:

    If we aren’t contenders next season, which we – barring some sort of miracle from General Disappointment – will not be, would it not be better to stock up Bakersfield with the Yamamoto cluster, rather then the NHL? Give Bakersfield a chance to be contenders next season, give the farm a taste of winning, so they bring that hunger to the NHL?

  16. OmJo says:

    frjohnk: If the Oilers are making a bet that Marody will have a better chance of making it compared to a 3rd round pick, I like that bet.

    If the Oilers are making bets that he will sign with them because they are the Oilers and once signed, they will guarantee him NHL minutes with some of those minutes alongside Drai and McDavid, I dont like those bets

    Not hating the trade, just a sincere question: wouldn’t odds favour the 3rd round pick over a former 6th round pick?

  17. prefonmich says:

    frjohnk,

    I agree completely. I just don’t trust the current GM at all and am more inclined to believe that no due diligence was done and this guy is headed to free agency and we just paid a 3rd round pick to see him off to free agency. I hope the rumours are wrong and our gm is smarter than I think he is… We wait.

  18. dustrock says:

    Hard to trust Chia, but the idea of trying to get cheap wingers for McDavid and Drai is simply going to be reality for this team going forward.

    Can they find their Conor Sheary?

    Agreed with Pouzar they need to purge. Fleming isn’t helping anyone or anything at this point, time to get somebody new in there.

    Probably Paul Coffey, amirite?

  19. YKOil says:

    Look for Marody to be signed with Cagguila-like playing guarantees (which we don’t know about but highly suspect) and a strong bonus package.

    Lets face it folks – if PC just traded a 3rd for a prospect that won’t sign then that HAS to be the final nail in the coffin. There is just no excusing that. A 6th or 7th – sure – but a 3rd? That would be unforgivable imo.

    (It is also handy that Cagguila’s current, sweet, deal, has expired; meaning that PC is now free to give those favours to another college FA.)

  20. godot10 says:

    Primetime:
    “Kailer Yamamoto is a strong candidate to play in the NHL all next season”

    Nobody similar from the WHL has done that in the last decade except Jordan Eberle.

  21. who says:

    36 percent body fat:
    why push them to minor pro?

    Maksimov, Safin, and Yamo should stay in junior.Look what happened with pitlick and hamilton.It really stalled their development.Especially if they are put on the fourth line.

    Another reason is to not start pro contracts early, what if seattle expansion is delayed a year.

    Yamamoto is 20 next year.
    He has nothing left to prove in junior. He would be an overager. He needs to turn pro.
    The other two are 19 and should spend next year in junior.

  22. jtblack says:

    Primetime,

    “but I honestly think the one with the best chance of playing with the big club next year is Tyler Benson. He is more physically mature and and plays a more 2 way game”

    Benson is just over 1 PPG in his 4th WHL season. Nothing about his year screams “NHL READY”. I know what you are saying but at the end of the day, wether a player is cheap or not; he has to be able to play in the NHL

    I don’t think Benson can do that. And sadly for Oilers optimists, there is no gurantee that he will ever be a regular in the Lineup. His draft +2 season leaves as many question marks, as it does answers.

  23. jtblack says:

    I wonder about Michael Grabner for nxt yr Hes a UFA, so price might be too high or term too long. BUT he has speed, can score, LW & Good on the PK. Would great add IMO

  24. jp says:

    godot10: Nobody similar from the WHL has done that in the last decade except Jordan Eberle.

    Could you define “similar” for us?

  25. Bos8 says:

    Benson is coming off a double hernia operation. That must play havoc with his lower body. I’m amazed he has kept on trucking. He should improve with time post-op.

  26. Justthestatsman says:

    YKOil:
    Look for Marody to be signed with Cagguila-like playing guarantees (which we don’t know about but highly suspect) and a strong bonus package.

    Lets face it folks – if PC just traded a 3rd for a prospect that won’t sign then that HAS to be the final nail in the coffin.There is just no excusing that.A 6th or 7th – sure – but a 3rd?That would be unforgivable imo.

    (It is also handy that Cagguila’s current, sweet, deal, has expired; meaning that PC is now free to give those favours to another college FA.)

    Any CBA experts know if things like playing time guarantees are even possible to include in the standard players contract?
    Or are these nudge-nudge wink-wink kinds of deals that can’t be in the written contract, but really do happen even if they aren’t supposed to?
    Or is this just a possible logical conclusion we come to when we can’t understand playing time given to Cagguila or last year when JP was otherwise inexplicably kept on the big club roster for 40 games even when he was regularly being healthy scratched and he should have been playing somewhere?

  27. godot10 says:

    jp: Could you define “similar” for us?

    I did that about a month ago in this blog.

    From Nick Petan to Jordan Weal and others. Nobody has done it but Eberle.

  28. Bobcaygeon says:

    jtblack:
    I wonder about Michael Grabner for nxt yrHes a UFA, so price might be too high or term too long.BUT he has speed, can score, LW & Good on the PK.Would great add IMO

    I think the Oilers would be better off trading for Stone (RFA) he might be asking more than what Ottawa want’s to pay and the ask might not be as high as some think……If the start is JP or Yamamoto plus a prospect or pick I think Oilers have a legit shot.

  29. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Primetime:
    “Kailer Yamamoto is a strong candidate to play in the NHL all next season”

    I know the pros and cons of this have been debated over and over…but I honestly think the one with the best chance of playing with the big club next year is Tyler Benson.He is more physically mature and and plays a more 2 way game.As a second round pick, management may see him as the cheap option at LW that can play anywhere from lines 1-4 without hurting his development.Kailer would need to be in an offensive position only to gain benefit, and likely needs time to adjust to playing against full grown men.Plus his bonus structure is (slightly) higher.

    If they have to spend money on a new RD or RW, rather than maybe re-signing Maroon, I think they will write Benson’s name in pen on the big club roster…

    To be honest, a fourth line of Benson-Khaira-Kassian could be fun to watch…

    I think his injury has set him back. I am also not convinced he’s 100% recovered. The best thing for him is to play his way off the Condors. I think he needs time still mainly because of his health. Rushing him could be an NHL career ending move.

    Yamamoto would benefit from AHL, but he has the talent to force the issue. Benson isn’t scoring at his pace now.

    The Oilers and many teams don’t have the depth to keep kids down who are better than players they have currently.

  30. jp says:

    godot10: I did that about a month ago in this blog.

    From Nick Petan to Jordan Weal and others.Nobody has done it but Eberle.

    Thanks, I’ll go search the LT archives.

    In the mean time you are right though, it’s just Eberle.

    Though the list of wingers under 6′, drafted from the WHL (rounds 1+2) in the last 10 yrs is rather short: Eberle, Baertschi, Rattie, Shinkaruk, Merkley and Yamamoto.

    Tough to make much conclusion with the small sample size, but certainly not an overly inspiring group.

  31. Scungilli Slushy says:

    If Marody wants to play in the NHL and isn’t biased to an American city, the Oilers offer a lot because they are weak on the wings in the NHL and bereft of skill centres in the AHL.

    When they pull the trigger on Nuge the C depth takes a big hit on the Oilers as well. Strome is ok, and we shouldn’t count on his little run as a guarantee of 82 string games given his history. Khaira is promising as well, but neither are really skill players.

  32. Bling says:

    I agree with Godot. I don’t think Yamamoto will be ready to contribute next season.

    His PPG is 1.60, which is a far cry from Barzal and Debrincat, the former being at 2 PPG and the latter being at almost a goal per game in their final junior seasons. Jordan Eberle was also close to a goal per game for the Regina Pats in his last junior season.

    Yamamoto’s goal scoring rate has also taken a step back this season.

    His splits are better, but he’s been starting to slow again of late.

  33. AshetonisGod says:

    dustrock:
    Hard to trust Chia, but the idea of trying to get cheap wingers for McDavid and Drai is simply going to be reality for this team going forward.

    Can they find their Conor Sheary?

    Agreed with Pouzar they need to purge.Fleming isn’t helping anyone or anything at this point, time to get somebody new in there.

    Probably Paul Coffey, amirite?

    More like Paul Coffey’s nephew

  34. JimmyV1965 says:

    dustrock:
    Hard to trust Chia, but the idea of trying to get cheap wingers for McDavid and Drai is simply going to be reality for this team going forward.

    Can they find their Conor Sheary?

    Agreed with Pouzar they need to purge.Fleming isn’t helping anyone or anything at this point, time to get somebody new in there.

    Probably Paul Coffey, amirite?

    Why Coffey. Junior is riddled with more qualified candidates.

  35. JimmyV1965 says:

    jtblack:
    I wonder about Michael Grabner for nxt yrHes a UFA, so price might be too high or term too long.BUT he has speed, can score, LW & Good on the PK.Would great add IMO

    I’d rather have Maroon and I’m not particularly keen on getting him back. He’s playing much better than Grabner in New Jersey.

  36. John Chambers says:

    godot10: I did that about a month ago in this blog.

    From Nick Petan to Jordan Weal and others.Nobody has done it but Eberle.

    And Eberle didin’t make the NHL until his draft +3 season.

    However, WHL’ers who played in the NHL prior to their draft +3 seaon include:
    Evander Kane
    Tyler Myers
    Ryan Johanson
    Ryan Nugent Hopkins
    Seth Jones
    Morgan Rielly
    Ryan Murray
    Leon Draisaitl

  37. John Chambers says:

    Mikko Rantanen has basically doubled his points output from last season, from 38 to now 79 and counting.

    Rantanen was used as the primary comp for Puljujarvi last season, which is fair given that they play the same position and were on the same WJ team, etc. As it happens Puljujarvi’s offense isn’t terribly far off Rantanen’s from last season, with PJ getting a lot less icetime than Mikko.

    Here’s the thing though: Puljujarvi is a full year and a half younger than Mikko. If Pulju put up 15 goals this year, on his limited icetime, it would project in some ways better than the 20 Rantanen put up last season.

    I’m not saying JP is going to put up 70+ points, but we could have a 50-60 point winger in PoolParty next season.

  38. --hudson-- says:

    Hasn’t Yamo already played 4 years of junior – why play him a fifth season when he’s eligible to play in the AHL?

  39. prefonmich says:

    leadfarmer,

    Thanks for sharing the link. I love reading those player Tribune stories but that one was exceptional.
    I am thankful we live in a time where people are much more willing to share their personal struggles with mental illness. Amazing what he has gotten through and the difference he is making for others n speaking about his struggles.

  40. frjohnk says:

    If a player like Kailor is to make the team, its in a top 6 role. Looking at our winger depth,especially for skilled players in the top 6, the bar is quite low for Kailor to make the team next year.

    We have McDavid, Drai, and RNH ( or his replacement if traded) as 3 of our top 6 forwards.

    Lucic, JP are candidates to be up in the top 6 next year but both are not givens.

    I dont like the idea of still being in the “hope” phase, but we are where we are.

    Some veteran cover would be nice, but the salary cap will have something to say about that.

    EDIT: I think Kailor makes the team, but I also believe if he was drafted by most other teams, he probably starts in the AHL.

  41. jtblack says:

    John Chambers,

    “JP 50 – 60 Point Player.”

    Good Points. If JP played all 82 games this yr he would be on pace for 18 G 11 A 29 PTS. While playing 13 mins a night.

    I think we should Expect JP to hit 25 G 50 Pt season next year given a slight bump in ice time.

    We have a player here who is still 19. I think JP will be an excellent 50 – 70 Point Power Wiinger for years.!! WE WAIT

  42. Alpine says:

    Primetime:
    “Kailer Yamamoto is a strong candidate to play in the NHL all next season”

    I know the pros and cons of this have been debated over and over…but I honestly think the one with the best chance of playing with the big club next year is Tyler Benson.He is more physically mature and and plays a more 2 way game.As a second round pick, management may see him as the cheap option at LW that can play anywhere from lines 1-4 without hurting his development.Kailer would need to be in an offensive position only to gain benefit, and likely needs time to adjust to playing against full grown men.Plus his bonus structure is (slightly) higher.

    If they have to spend money on a new RD or RW, rather than maybe re-signing Maroon, I think they will write Benson’s name in pen on the big club roster…

    To be honest, a fourth line of Benson-Khaira-Kassian could be fun to watch…

    This seems like a good idea at first thought, but Benson, like any other two-way F, should be working on his offensive game in Bakersfield until he proves worthy of a callup like anyone else. I don’t want him to turn into Curtis Lazar.

  43. GMB3 says:

    jtblack:
    John Chambers,

    “JP 50 – 60 Point Player.”

    Good Points.If JP played all 82 games this yr he would be on pace for 18 G 11 A29 PTS. While playing 13 mins a night.

    I think we should Expect JP to hit 25 G 50 Pt season next year given a slight bump in ice time.

    We have a player here who is still 19.I think JP will be an excellent 50 – 70 Point Power Wiinger for years.!!WE WAIT

    I would temper the expectations a little bit.

    Craig Simpson throwing some shade in the media. Nail Yakupov treatment.

  44. YKOil says:

    Justthestatsman: Any CBA experts know if things like playing time guarantees are even possible to include in the standard players contract?
    Or are these nudge-nudge wink-wink kinds of deals that can’t be in the written contract, but really do happen even if they aren’t supposed to?
    Or is this just a possible logical conclusion we come to when we can’t understand playing time given to Cagguila or last year when JP was otherwise inexplicably kept on the big club roster for 40 games even when he was regularly being healthy scratched and he should have been playing somewhere?

    Going with:

    – No,
    – Probably (you also see prospects play more than 9 games when it is not in the teams interest to do so and the games are not deserved and you will even see them play past 40 games when it is not in the teams best interest to do so and the games are not deserved) so anecdotal evidence is high that there are nudges and winks in play
    – imo, yes

  45. ziggy says:

    godot10,

    Are any similar players first round picks? Maybe what’s holding similar players back is there play away from the puck. It seems that the only red flag on yamamoto is size, maybe similar players have other red flags. Not sure but it seems that kailer is a bit more highly touted then most similar players

  46. OilClog says:

    Well Oilers insider Simpson is shitting all over young Jesse, blame the player he’s not a superstar and defend the org that took nearly two years to get him an English tutor lol. Itsafacccct.

    Chia traded a 3rd for a kid that wants to be a ufa, kid clearly has a destination he wants probably isn’t a team loaded with skilled young C’s. This is one of those Chia success stories Right?

  47. OilClog says:

    GMB3: I would temper the expectations a little bit.

    Craig Simpson throwing some shade in the media. Nail Yakupov treatment.

    Finnish is the new Russian.

  48. Wilde says:

    GMB3: I would temper the expectations a little bit.

    Craig Simpson throwing some shade in the media. Nail Yakupov treatment.

    That was just gross.

    They started policing the personality of an 18 year old that couldn’t even verbally communicate with them as soon as he landed in Edmonton..

    Then they sent him to BAKERSFIELD FUCKING CALI-FORNIA and the first thing we parse from Finnish media is that they didn’t. even. tell. him. what. to. work. on.

    ‘Bad first impression’.

    Jesus Christ.

    ‘Learn to be a real pro’ is dog-whistle for fuck you if you’re not a Canadian who fits into the box.

    Patrik Laine’s personality consists of greyrocking media members about video games.

    Paul Maurice doesn’t care because he puts the puck in the fucking net.

    “My exit meeting with him would not be a warm and fuzzy friendly one. It would be a challenging, to be a man to look at your opportunity you have to really set your career on fire.”

    Craig isn’t asking him to be a man, he’s asking him to be a hockey man’s man.

    The whole interview by Simpson boils down to this: They want Performative Anger from Puljujarvi.

    https://theathletic.com/271839/2018/03/13/bourne-on-the-ridiculousness-that-is-performative-anger-in-hockey/

    Just another archaic power game that’s a part of the secret sauce of paleolithic hockey coaching culture. They want to see the FIRE, man.

    There are problems with this approach, even if you’re speaking through a medium of which the two parties understand each other clearly. Unfortunately for Todd McLellan, Puljujarvi didn’t speak a lick of English and didn’t understand our weird authority fetishization culture, so our HC’s ‘Mad Dad’ act was entirely lost on the teenager.

    Let’s play nauseating power games instead of ICING THE BEST PLAYERS, and then when confronted about it either say “he has to outplay the vets ahead of him” which is of course changing the premise of the fucking argument, because he HAS outplayed them, to “let me play judge, jury, and executioner on this young man in not only his professional life, but the way his personality forms in young adulthood”.

    Yes, let’s have everyone feel sorry for NHL head coaches because they get fired if they don’t win, when they IGNORE WINNNING TO BE DAD.

    This is by far the saltiest I’ve ever been about this Puljujarvi thing.

  49. Confused says:

    GMB3,

    Simpson is clearly moronic.

  50. Pouzar says:

    Simpson…the National Media arm of the Old Boys Corpse.

    Maaaan if I had a few billion sitting around.

  51. Pouzar says:

    I begged Gord to send JP to Finland in his draft plus one.

    BEGGED!

  52. dustrock says:

    John Chambers:
    Mikko Rantanen has basically doubled his points output from last season, from 38 to now 79 and counting.

    Rantanen was used as the primary comp for Puljujarvi last season, which is fair given that they play the same position and were on the same WJ team, etc. As it happens Puljujarvi’s offense isn’t terribly far off Rantanen’s from last season, with PJ getting a lot less icetime than Mikko.

    Here’s the thing though: Puljujarvi is a full year and a half younger than Mikko. If Pulju put up 15 goals this year, on his limited icetime, it would project in some ways better than the 20 Rantanen put up last season.

    I’m not saying JP is going to put up 70+ points, but we could have a 50-60 point winger in PoolParty next season.

    Wait, so if Mackinnon is the Avs’ McDavid, and Rantanen is the Avs’ Puljujarvi….

  53. leadfarmer says:

    I’ve been a little worried that the tea leaves say that JP is just as likely to get traded as Nuge and Klef

  54. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    My condolences to the Karlssons.

    Since I did not see it in the Hurricanes thread, my condolences to the Staals, too.

  55. Wilde says:

    leadfarmer:
    I’ve been a little worried that the tea leaves say that JP is just as likely to get traded as Nuge and Klef

    For his sake, I hope so.

    For ours, well.

  56. Pretendergast says:

    Would guess JP was told 40 games just to get him across the pond.

    Would guess Oil hadn’t done their homework as much on JP, just a hunch when they were so surprised they could get him they traded Hall.

    Archaic Lou Lamoreillo style of making them into the ‘right kind of men’.

    He’s clearly a kid and needs to mature, that’s not a negative, he’s 19 FFS.

  57. Pretendergast says:

    As for Hebig, he also has battled serious concussion symptoms for over a year which he missed last season for. Always had the skill tho.

    Friend works for the Blades when he was on them, stories he said were terrifying, especially for a kid, protect your brain folks.

  58. hunter1909 says:

    Wilde: That was just gross.

    They started policing the personality of an 18 year old that couldn’t even verbally communicate with them as soon as he landed in Edmonton..

    Then they sent him to BAKERSFIELD FUCKING CALI-FORNIA and the first thing we parse from Finnish media is that they didn’t. even. tell. him. what. to. work. on.

    ‘Bad first impression’.

    Jesus Christ.

    ‘Learn to be a real pro’ is dog-whistle for fuck you if you’re not a Canadian who fits into the box.

    Patrik Laine’s personality consists of greyrocking media members about video games.

    Paul Maurice doesn’t care because he puts the puck in the fucking net.

    “My exit meeting with him would not be a warm and fuzzy friendly one. It would be a challenging, to be a man to look at your opportunity you have to really set your career on fire.”

    Craig isn’t asking him to be a man, he’s asking him to be a hockey man’s man.

    The whole interview by Simpson boils down to this: They want Performative Anger from Puljujarvi.

    https://theathletic.com/271839/2018/03/13/bourne-on-the-ridiculousness-that-is-performative-anger-in-hockey/

    Just another archaic power game that’s a part of the secret sauce of paleolithic hockey coaching culture. They want to see the FIRE, man.

    There are problems with this approach, even if you’re speaking through a medium of which the two parties understand each other clearly. Unfortunately for Todd McLellan, Puljujarvi didn’t speak a lick of English and didn’t understand our weird authority fetishization culture, so our HC’s ‘Mad Dad’ act was entirely lost on the teenager.

    Let’s play nauseating power games instead of ICING THE BEST PLAYERS, and then when confronted about it either say “he has to outplay the vets ahead of him” which is of course changing the premise of the fucking argument, because he HAS outplayed them, to “let me play judge, jury, and executioner on this young man in not only his professional life, but the way his personality forms in young adulthood”.

    Yes, let’s have everyone feel sorry for NHL head coaches because they get fired if they don’t win, when they IGNORE WINNNING TO BE DAD.

    This is by far the saltiest I’ve ever been about this Puljujarvi thing.

    Thank you.

    Saved me all of that typing.

  59. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Pretendergast:
    Would guess JP was told 40 games just to get him across the pond.

    Would guess Oil hadn’t done their homework as much on JP, just a hunch when they were so surprised they could get him they traded Hall.

    Archaic Lou Lamoreillo style of making them into the ‘right kind of men’.

    He’s clearly a kid and needs to mature, that’s not a negative, he’s 19 FFS.

    They really should have left him at home for year. Laine has a parent with him in the Peg. I wonder if they did any due diligence on JP. No way they should have been surprised by what he’s like or his need to learn English better.

  60. jtblack says:

    “Go out and prove you’re going to be the guy who will be Jari Kurri for the next seven years after that.’”

    The best part of this quote by Simpson, is that Kurri never started with the Oilers til his 20 yr old season. Kurri was “figuring it out” & “growing up” in Finland for 3 seasons.

  61. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    jtblack,

    True, but IIRC (and please correct me if I’m off base) draft rules were different for Europeans so Kurri’s 20 year old season was also his draft season. He was drafted Spring of 80 and laced up for the Oilers that fall.

  62. jtblack says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!:
    jtblack,

    True, but IIRC (and please correct me if I’m off base) draft rules were different for Europeans so Kurri’s 20 year old season was also his draft season. He was drafted Spring of 80 and laced up for the Oilers that fall.

    Probably true. I am just saying that JP is 19. I think everyone who is critical should remember that. Kurri wasnt even in the NHL at the same age (wasnt allowed as you referenced).

    JP could be tearing apart the CHL or playing in Div 1 Finland.

    I think he is going to be just fine. WE WAIT

  63. Professor Q says:

    who: Yamamoto is 20 next year.
    He has nothing left to prove in junior. He would be an overager. He needs to turn pro.
    The other twoare 19 and should spend next year in junior.

    And Maksimov would have to play there anyway, as he was drafted from the CHL. Can’t go to the AHL next year.

  64. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    jtblack,

    I agree. Huge JP fan myself. Read the article, not that worried, context is hugely important.

    We just had an episode where Aberg missed practice for some reason and the rumour mill was running hot earlier this year on the escapades of early 20 something Oiler hockey players with money to burn. Bottom line? I don’t envy the parenting that a coaching staff also has to do in addition to just coaching hockey when a team is this young.

    I’d also point out that the coach to the south has been filmed screaming at his team three times this season. Babcock is a legendary hardass on his players. Not twisting myself into a pretzel over these comments today.

    Talent does not always equal success. For some it does, for others not so much.

    I would be worried about JP if there weren’t steps being taken in the right direction and i think we can agree that he is trending properly albeit at a slower pace than we may have desired.

    I have loads of time for the young man and would love to see him close out the season strong!

  65. Wilde says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!:
    jtblack,

    I don’t envy the parenting that a coaching staff also has to do in addition to just coaching hockey when a team is this young.

    Radical idea: What if they *don’t have to do it*?

    You know who helps young players more than their coach in the growing up department? The veteran players on the team.

  66. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    JimmyV1965: I’d rather have Maroon and I’m not particularly keen on getting him back. He’s playing much better than Grabner in New Jersey.

    Grabner is playing tougher minutes with Zajac and Gibbons.

    Maroon is playing 3LW with Coleman and Noeson and making hay in easier minutes.

    If given a choice between the two I’m not sure which I pick, Maroon’s penalty rate is really bad.

  67. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    John Chambers:
    Mikko Rantanen has basically doubled his points output from last season, from 38 to now 79 and counting.

    Rantanen was used as the primary comp for Puljujarvi last season, which is fair given that they play the same position and were on the same WJ team, etc. As it happens Puljujarvi’s offense isn’t terribly far off Rantanen’s from last season, with PJ getting a lot less icetime than Mikko.

    Here’s the thing though: Puljujarvi is a full year and a half younger than Mikko. If Pulju put up 15 goals this year, on his limited icetime, it would project in some ways better than the 20 Rantanen put up last season.

    I’m not saying JP is going to put up 70+ points, but we could have a 50-60 point winger in PoolParty next season.

    JP is the goods and just figuring out the NHL and how to deal with the grind.

    I can’t believe the negative verbal around him.

    Idiocy.

  68. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Wilde: That was just gross.

    They started policing the personality of an 18 year old that couldn’t even verbally communicate with them as soon as he landed in Edmonton..

    Then they sent him to BAKERSFIELD FUCKING CALI-FORNIA and the first thing we parse from Finnish media is that they didn’t. even. tell. him. what. to. work. on.

    ‘Bad first impression’.

    Jesus Christ.

    ‘Learn to be a real pro’ is dog-whistle for fuck you if you’re not a Canadian who fits into the box.

    Patrik Laine’s personality consists of greyrocking media members about video games.

    Paul Maurice doesn’t care because he puts the puck in the fucking net.

    “My exit meeting with him would not be a warm and fuzzy friendly one. It would be a challenging, to be a man to look at your opportunity you have to really set your career on fire.”

    Craig isn’t asking him to be a man, he’s asking him to be a hockey man’s man.

    The whole interview by Simpson boils down to this: They want Performative Anger from Puljujarvi.

    https://theathletic.com/271839/2018/03/13/bourne-on-the-ridiculousness-that-is-performative-anger-in-hockey/

    Just another archaic power game that’s a part of the secret sauce of paleolithic hockey coaching culture. They want to see the FIRE, man.

    There are problems with this approach, even if you’re speaking through a medium of which the two parties understand each other clearly. Unfortunately for Todd McLellan, Puljujarvi didn’t speak a lick of English and didn’t understand our weird authority fetishization culture, so our HC’s ‘Mad Dad’ act was entirely lost on the teenager.

    Let’s play nauseating power games instead of ICING THE BEST PLAYERS, and then when confronted about it either say “he has to outplay the vets ahead of him” which is of course changing the premise of the fucking argument, because he HAS outplayed them, to “let me play judge, jury, and executioner on this young man in not only his professional life, but the way his personality forms in young adulthood”.

    Yes, let’s have everyone feel sorry for NHL head coaches because they get fired if they don’t win, when they IGNORE WINNNING TO BE DAD.

    This is by far the saltiest I’ve ever been about this Puljujarvi thing.

    Fucking A Bob.

    Great post.

    Simpson should worry more about his shitty special teams coaching possibly costing EDM Cup.

    Asshole.

  69. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Seriously, fuck that guy.

  70. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    From Pronman’s “mailbag” piece.

    “How much separation is there between Oliver Wahlstrom and the consensus top three wingers in the upcoming draft?

    He’s better than Brady Tkachuk.”

    Interesting.

    Also,

    EDM’s draft probabilities today:

    1st – 5.8%
    2nd – 6.1%
    3rd – 6.4.%

    18.3% chance of picking top 3.

    8th – 33.3%
    9th – 38.1%
    10th – 9.7%
    11th – 0.6%

    Source: http://www.tankathon.com/nhl/pick_odds

    Watch EDM win 3rd place and take Tkachuk because they lust after his brother.

  71. Wilde says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    My real concern here is that he’s also playing mouthpiece for the org here.

    I see three possible outcomes:

    – They hire a new HC and Pulju scores 25 goals next year

    – They keep the HC and he scores 15

    – They trade him for Cal Clutterbuck

  72. Wilde says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Wahlstrom is my F pick.

    The comparison shouldn’t be between him and who’s left after the two main wingers, because he’s likely on par as a goalscoring prospect with Zadina.

    He’s on a bit of a cold run now, but he had 21 goals in 20 games before that.

    To put that in context, look at the all-time roster by goals for his program, and the other USN U18:

    http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/display_players.php?tmi=9725

    http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/display_players.php?tmi=10862

    Also in picture there is Cole Caufield, he’ll be a good litmus test next year for whether or not NHL scouting dept. are still size queens. He’s Debrincat on steroids.

  73. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Wilde:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    My real concern here is that he’s also playing mouthpiece for the org here.

    I see three possible outcomes:

    – They hire a new HC and Pulju scores 25 goals next year

    – They keep the HC and he scores 15

    – They trade him for Cal Clutterbuck

    Yeah, it sounds like Lowe talking doesn’t it?

    Just like when “the org” told Souray to cut his shoulder rehab short by a month and play.

    Round and round and round and round and round and round and round we go.

  74. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    For the record;

    I’m fine with playing JP on the 3rd line.

    Playing players above their established NHL level is a mistake this org has made over and over again.

    Let JP be “the man” on a 3rd line who creates the offence.

    He’s 19.

    McDavid sees the best Dmen, I’d rather 98 see some 3rd pairs and win his minutes instead of swimming hard to keep from drowning.

    He said himself the other day he’s not used to playing so many games.

    He’s probably getting gassed quite a bit.

    He’s going to be really, really good and I don’t think they’re “losing him” by playing him on the 3rd line either.

    Also,

    Fuck Simpson though.

  75. Wilde says:

    Woodguy v2.0:

    I’m fine with playing JP on the 3rd line.

    For next season I agree, for the end of this season I don’t.

    They’re calling it an evaluation period, then giving exactly *one* player a 5v5 + specials push.

    And it’s a rookie defenceman that they don’t even have to base any kind of decision arouond this summer.

  76. Bling says:

    Craig Simpson is a fucking shithead.

    There is a helpful way to give feedback to human beings. This chain around the neck stuff is just garbage. What kind of 40 something year old man talks about a 19 year old kid in that way? And to the media!?!?

    Just about par for this org, though. There is a long, lon history of talking behind players’ backs, blaming them, talking down to them, etc.

    Jesse Puljujarvj didn’t trade Taylor Hall, and those in the org who think he should be in lock step with #4 should go ahead and fuck right off.

  77. flea says:

    When guys like Craig Simpson spout off like that, it’s designed to get them a response. The nature of their business. They can’t talk about the real reasons why JP isn’t getting a push.

    Maybe, just maybe, the GM is instructing the coach to bring him along slowly, so they can sign him to a reasonable contract. Giving him a push right now only serves to inflate his future contract, in a lost season. It doesn’t make much sense to push him now from a contract standpoint.

    They are throwing this season away and thinking about the future. And slow development for JP is a good thing. We cursed the Oilers for years for putting young guys in feature roles and ruining their development. Then they develop a few slowly and we get up in arms about not giving them a push.

    JP is getting the Draisaitl treatment, almost to a T. That guy seems to have developed ok. The only change they need to make is that they need to sign JP this summer, before he spikes.

  78. Wolfpack says:

    Wilde: That was just gross.

    They started policing the personality of an 18 year old that couldn’t even verbally communicate with them as soon as he landed in Edmonton..

    Then they sent him to BAKERSFIELD FUCKING CALI-FORNIA and the first thing we parse from Finnish media is that they didn’t. even. tell. him. what. to. work. on.

    ‘Bad first impression’.

    Jesus Christ.

    ‘Learn to be a real pro’ is dog-whistle for fuck you if you’re not a Canadian who fits into the box.

    Patrik Laine’s personality consists of greyrocking media members about video games.

    Paul Maurice doesn’t care because he puts the puck in the fucking net.

    “My exit meeting with him would not be a warm and fuzzy friendly one. It would be a challenging, to be a man to look at your opportunity you have to really set your career on fire.”

    Craig isn’t asking him to be a man, he’s asking him to be a hockey man’s man.

    The whole interview by Simpson boils down to this: They want Performative Anger from Puljujarvi.

    https://theathletic.com/271839/2018/03/13/bourne-on-the-ridiculousness-that-is-performative-anger-in-hockey/

    Just another archaic power game that’s a part of the secret sauce of paleolithic hockey coaching culture. They want to see the FIRE, man.

    There are problems with this approach, even if you’re speaking through a medium of which the two parties understand each other clearly. Unfortunately for Todd McLellan, Puljujarvi didn’t speak a lick of English and didn’t understand our weird authority fetishization culture, so our HC’s ‘Mad Dad’ act was entirely lost on the teenager.

    Let’s play nauseating power games instead of ICING THE BEST PLAYERS, and then when confronted about it either say “he has to outplay the vets ahead of him” which is of course changing the premise of the fucking argument, because he HAS outplayed them, to “let me play judge, jury, and executioner on this young man in not only his professional life, but the way his personality forms in young adulthood”.

    Yes, let’s have everyone feel sorry for NHL head coaches because they get fired if they don’t win, when they IGNORE WINNNING TO BE DAD.

    This is by far the saltiest I’ve ever been about this Puljujarvi thing.

    Excellent post. I got to watch an Oilers morning skate a couple of weeks ago. About 11 players were there, including JP, and he worked just as hard as everyone else to my eye. He is a teenager living in a different country and learning a new language, so let’s beat him down??? Can’t believe Simpson said those things, I lost a lot of respect for him after reading that interview.

    The trade – the one thing that concerns me is that in a trade like this, the player and the agent are given so much leverage. He can shoot for the moon contract-wise or he can become a ufa and Edmonton gets left with nothing for their 3rd rounder. You have to believe there was talk of signing something before the trade went down, otherwise the player is the hammer and the team is the nail.

  79. McSorley33 says:

    Man – the JP article is downright demoralizing….

  80. Merchant says:

    Godot,

    I would be interested in your updated opinion on Strome. I know several months ago you suggested any potential uptick in his play was only equatable to “garbage time” games played, which is fair enough, but based on recent garbage time play he is looking like a young bottom 6 option worthy of 2.5MM on a cup contending team.

  81. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Wilde: For next season I agree, for the end of this season I don’t.

    They’re calling it an evaluation period, then giving exactly *one* player a 5v5 + specials push.

    And it’s a rookie defenceman that they don’t even have to base any kind of decision arouond this summer.

    I disagree.

    JP has the skills to be 1RW and it’s not close.

    They don’t need to see him there.

    They need to get him used to winning his minutes and having fun beating the other team.

    Needs to be used on the PP more though.

  82. Wilde says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I disagree.

    JP has the skills to be 1RW and it’s not close.

    They don’t need to see him there.

    They need to get him used to winning his minutes and having fun beating the other team.

    Needs to be used on the PP more though.

    I’m thinking Draisaitl’s unit, not 97’s.

    Agreed on PP. Especially PP1. They’ve tried everyone but Auvitu and Pulju there, when they should have been one of the first options, especially after Letestu’s departure and now that Klefbom is shut down and Sekera’s struggling.

  83. leadfarmer says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    This whole talk of trading down that has been discussed here last few months is crazy. There is some seriously good talent available in top 10. Hughes numbers are amazing for 2 years now. Boqvist yes please. Wahlstrom. No problem.

  84. Wilde says:

    “Aston-Reese is nearly three years older than Sprong. He’s a nice player, but he doesn’t have the dynamic elements Sprong has. We know the deal with Sprong. Great offensive player, indifferent off the puck, but at the end of the day, he’s a difference-maker. I think he’ll get there eventually, whether in Pittsburgh or elsewhere.”

    If this blurb about Sprong from Pronman is at all in line with the Pittsburgh org’s view of Sprong, and the fact that they aren’t calling him up for playoff depth(or haven’t yet) is only a bit of a reach for a tell, this is a player that Edmonton should jump at.

    If you’re not going to go for Ho-Sang, do the (other) right thing.

  85. --hudson-- says:

    Todd’s pregame availability:
    – Facing an inexperienced blueline tonight
    – Ryan Strome is shooting the puck a lot more
    – Darnell Nurse playing back in Ontario
    – Crosby’s goal last night, probably something he practices, he practices to get better

    Source video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOHP0-VkBP4
    ————————————————–
    Q: {cutoff}
    A: Right now the plan is no, but we’ll see after a couple players get off the ice what the health situations like.

    Q: You’ve got a pretty inexperienced blueline tonight, I think, with four guys who have under 100 games or less. Can you exploit that?
    A: Well that’s certainly the plan, and it would be for any team coming in, but sometimes those young players at this time of the year, they rise to the occasion and they begin to perform at a confident in high level, and we’ve seen that with some of our players, Auvitu and Ethan Bear, when they’ve got the opportunity with some injuries, they’ve been able to throw out some pretty good games. So, you know, both teams are banged up, both teams are giving some younger players an opportunity to look at things, and I’m sure it’ll be a competitive night.

    Q: Todd, Ryan Strome hasn’t really been a volume shooter all season, but the last couple games he’s been shooting the puck a lot more. Is that something that you guys talked to him about or…
    A: Many times… we’ve spoke to him a number of times about getting the shot totals up and he’s beginning to take advantage of it. We would still like to see him pull the trigger a little bit more in the powerplay when he has the opportunity, but I think as the shot totals go up, you can see his confidence level go up. He’s around the puck a little bit more and better things happen when you do direct pucks to the net. So we’ve talked about it numerous times and he’s responding fairly well.

    Q: Darnell Nurse always seems to get up to play in his home province. He had a big game here last year too. What does that do for a player, just to be able to play in front of family and friends? Does it give them that extra boost?
    A: Well naturally it does, when you, when you come to your hometown or your home province, and you have family and friends in and around. You get a little more skip in your stride, if you will. It’s not just in Ontario, but players can go to BC or Alberta or anywhere, and that happens, and you want to perform well. You want to, you know, you want to make the name on the front of your jersey very important and make those fans proud of that name, but the small name on the back is also important, and you want to make your family proud, and Darnell’s from obviously a sporting family… and his sister’s doing a tremendous job right now in the NCAA in the women’s basketball… so I’m sure he wants to live up to his share of the name here in Ontario.

    Q: Did you see Sidney’s goal last night. Just curious we always talk about how coaches are trying to shut down players like that. When you see him score that, do you just tell your defensemen “come to the bench” because there’s not much you can do?
    A: Well there’s a lot of goals that are scored in the league where you just say, “hey guys there’s nothing, you know, nothing we can do about that.” It’s a bounce, it’s a break, that was a skill play, and that’s why he’s considered the best or one of the best, and great for him. He… I wouldn’t be surprised if he didn’t work on that, you know, batting the puck up and then into the net. He made the comment, I read somewhere today, about finishing plays and that’s exactly what he did, and there’s a difference between guys that practice to get better, and guys that just practice because it’s scheduled, and I’m thinking that he’s probably one of the guys in practices to get better.

  86. Professor Q says:

    Well I come back and apparently Simpson is Public Enemy #1?

    Even with his son on the team?

    😱 Oh dear, oh my…time to investigate further. I always miss the juicy bits.

  87. Andy Dufresne says:

    fifthcartel:
    Pronman on Marody: “” Couldn’t nail this down before my college free agent post went up, but rumor on the street, and by street I mean my network of hockey folks, is that Marody wants to become a free agent (and now he’s been traded to Edmonton, which will try and get a deal done).”

    Ruh roh.

    (if this isn’t okay to post, then my bad and feel free to delete, LT!)

    I heard that Marody wants to become a free agent in order to sign with a team that would be willing to burn a year of his ELC.

  88. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Wilde: Cole Caufield

    Thanks for the heads up on Caufield.

    Looks bonafide from here but this is the first I’ve heard of him.

  89. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Wolfpack: Excellent post. I got to watch an Oilers morning skate a couple of weeks ago. About 11 players were there, including JP, and he worked just as hard as everyone else to my eye. He is a teenager living in a different country and learning a new language, so let’s beat him down??? Can’t believe Simpson said those things, I lost a lot of respect for him after reading that interview.

    The trade – the one thing that concerns me is that in a trade like this, the player and the agent are given so much leverage. He can shoot for the moon contract-wise or he can become a ufa and Edmonton gets left with nothing for their 3rd rounder. You have to believe there was talk of signing something before the trade went down, otherwise the player is the hammer and the team is the nail.

    Thanks for the trip report.

    Peter is *always* the nail with the agent being the hammer.

    He’s an ex-agent and sympathizes with their position too much.

  90. Munny says:

    Let’s Go Oilers!!

    *clap clap*

  91. Lowetide says:

    The ONLY worry about Puljujarvi is how many goals will he score and part of that is his shot. Off the rush, he has a thrilling wrist shot that can beat goalies clean. For the power play, he seems to have a looping windup and delivery. If he can get a shot away quickly on the power play, he should have a future there.

    Even without the PP, he should be good for 20 goals 5×5. He has 12 goals this season, 10 at evens. He is averaging 13:27 a night, should approach 16+ next year.

  92. Andy Dufresne says:

    Wilde: That was just gross.

    They started policing the personality of an 18 year old that couldn’t even verbally communicate with them as soon as he landed in Edmonton..

    Then they sent him to BAKERSFIELD FUCKING CALI-FORNIA and the first thing we parse from Finnish media is that they didn’t. even. tell. him. what. to. work. on.

    ‘Bad first impression’.

    Jesus Christ.

    ‘Learn to be a real pro’ is dog-whistle for fuck you if you’re not a Canadian who fits into the box.

    Patrik Laine’s personality consists of greyrocking media members about video games.

    Paul Maurice doesn’t care because he puts the puck in the fucking net.

    “My exit meeting with him would not be a warm and fuzzy friendly one. It would be a challenging, to be a man to look at your opportunity you have to really set your career on fire.”

    Craig isn’t asking him to be a man, he’s asking him to be a hockey man’s man.

    The whole interview by Simpson boils down to this: They want Performative Anger from Puljujarvi.

    https://theathletic.com/271839/2018/03/13/bourne-on-the-ridiculousness-that-is-performative-anger-in-hockey/

    Just another archaic power game that’s a part of the secret sauce of paleolithic hockey coaching culture. They want to see the FIRE, man.

    There are problems with this approach, even if you’re speaking through a medium of which the two parties understand each other clearly. Unfortunately for Todd McLellan, Puljujarvi didn’t speak a lick of English and didn’t understand our weird authority fetishization culture, so our HC’s ‘Mad Dad’ act was entirely lost on the teenager.

    Let’s play nauseating power games instead of ICING THE BEST PLAYERS, and then when confronted about it either say “he has to outplay the vets ahead of him” which is of course changing the premise of the fucking argument, because he HAS outplayed them, to “let me play judge, jury, and executioner on this young man in not only his professional life, but the way his personality forms in young adulthood”.

    Yes, let’s have everyone feel sorry for NHL head coaches because they get fired if they don’t win, when they IGNORE WINNNING TO BE DAD.

    This is by far the saltiest I’ve ever been about this Puljujarvi thing.

    Simpson has it exactly right.

  93. godot10 says:

    Merchant:
    Godot,

    I would be interested in your updated opinion on Strome. I know several months ago you suggested any potential uptick in his play was only equatable to “garbage time” games played,which is fair enough, but based on recent garbage time play he is looking like a young bottom 6 option worthy of 2.5MM on a cup contending team.

    There are better ways to spend $3 million. I would NOT qualify him at $3 million. If he wants to sign a one year deal for $2 million, I don’t have a problem with that. I’m not rewarding him for a performance uptick in garbage time.

    Ryan Strome doesn’t resemble a 3rd line centre on a contending team.

  94. hunter1909 says:

    leadfarmer:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    This whole talk of trading down that has been discussed here last few months is crazy.There is some seriously good talent available in top 10.Hughes numbers are amazing for 2 years now.Boqvist yes please. Wahlstrom.No problem.

    I don’t know about that. Trading down turned out pretty good for Lowe+MacT’s 2003 draft.

    Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha

  95. hunter1909 says:

    The trouble with following a schmuck team like Edmonton is, I don’t particularly want to hear much about them anymore. When the Journal started cutting off access for free reading, I thought – so what?

    Of course I’m no longer young and full of life. With energy to read about the impossible(Oilers returning to greatness).

  96. hunter1909 says:

    Speaking of no longer being young, I’m old enough to remember when Edmonton tv hockey games started at 6pm sharp(8pm Toronto/Montreal eastern times). Right now it’s 10 minutes past the advertised time for the game, and some lame panel is still “discussing” something…

  97. Munny says:

    Right on the hands and uncalled

  98. Wayne Kenov says:

    Even after changing my username to what I consider to be the best one ever, I’m starting to feel more disconnected to the team than ever. Would I head scratch as many decisions if I followed the Browns?

  99. hunter1909 says:

    Wayne Kenov,

    What’s your former user name?

  100. Lowetide says:

    For The Athletic: Evaluating Ethan Bear’s first 10 games in the NHL

    https://theathletic.com/284305/2018/03/22/lowetide-evaluating-ethan-bears-first-10-games-with-the-oilers/

  101. Nix says:

    Nuge sure looks good with his spiffy new blazing fast winger, 😉

  102. Spooky Lynx says:

    93 and 97 are shocking and beautiful.

    Perhaps the best duo I’ve watched play the sport.

  103. Wilde says:

    godot10,

    Ryan Strome closely resembles a 3C on a team that trades for a stellar centre at the deadline, like Winnipeg and Pittsburgh with Lowry and Sheahan.

    Andy Dufresne: Simpson has it exactly right.

    – Responding to a long form argument with one sentence

    – Quoting the post in full so everyone has to scroll through my verbose ranting again

    You’re killin’ me, AD.

  104. Wayne Kenov says:

    hunter1909:
    Wayne Kenov,

    What’s your former user name?

    Gayfish, Thinker, Stelio Kontos that I remember. I change it all the time so the government can’t track me.

  105. Munny says:

    Jewels scores

  106. StixMalone says:

    Munny:
    Jewels scores

    That line is working out…

  107. Wilde says:

    Nuge is incredible this game.

  108. Munny says:

    Not exactly the line match up one would want.
    (4L out there for own zone FO against Duchene’s trio)

  109. OilClog says:

    Andy Dufresne: Simpson has it exactly right.

    The troll of all trolls, a round of applause for Andy Dufresne.

  110. Pretendergast says:

    Munny,

    I knew it was bad but did not know it was Atlanta Flames existed when a team last got so few calls bad

  111. Lowetide says:

    Auvitu just had a dandy shift.

  112. Munny says:

    Auvitu doing his best Pronger imitation

  113. Merchant says:

    godot10,

    Fair enough. $3MM is rich based on past performance, I would do 2.5 and bet on him, 97, 29, 93, and 16 being my centre depth for the medium term.

  114. Munny says:

    Pretendergast:
    Munny,

    I knew it was bad but did not know it was Atlanta Flames existed when a team last got so few calls bad

    It is a travesty.

  115. --hudson-- says:

    Lowetide:
    Auvitu just had a dandy shift.

    Do you think he has earned another contract?

    I enjoy his unconventional attack mentality and skating ability.

  116. Munny says:

    Strome is having a great period

  117. Pretendergast says:

    What’s a penalty?

  118. Pouzar says:

    JP is a driver in the making folks. Fear not. Just don’t know if it will be with this org.

  119. Nix says:

    Looch and Strome sure look good with their spiffy new Finnish playmaking center. 😉

  120. Wilde says:

    Nurse uh, covered nothing there

  121. Munny says:

    Well, let’s see if we can do that again in the 2nd. Excellent period.

  122. VOR says:

    Let’s ignore Craig Simpson being a reprehensible fool and spouting parenting and coaching strategies from the 1950s. There is much bigger issues here. Presumably he was speaking on behalf of the Oilers organization. Think what that means:

    -this was clearly an attempted defence of how the coaching staff deploys JP.
    -which means the organization thinks they need defending and are worth defending
    -which means the organization expects them back next year

    I will just let you digest that for a moment.

    -sending a proxy out to fight your battles makes you a coward
    -do we really want a coaching staff made up of cowards who send a stooge out to defend them to the media when confronted by this awful 19 year old Finnish dragon

    I just want to ask those posters here who are still in favour of keeping Chia and TMac just what the bleep are you thinking, smoking, drinking?

    These clowns can’t handle the same simple task that thousands of coaches and millions of parents around the world do every year. They can’t help an immature 19 year old become a slightly more mature twenty year old. Really, a leash, choking, fucking really? That’s the best they’ve got?

    But worst of all there will be fans and members of the media who believe this horse shit represents good coaching practice and proves Jesse Puljujarvi lacks the right stuff. To them I will say this. I know for a fact there is a great coach out there nattering in his GMs ear right now about picking up JP for a box of hockey pucks from our Team of Fools.

  123. Munny says:

    Pouzar:
    JP is a driver in the making folks. Fear not. Just don’t know if it will be with this org.

    I think he’s two years away from driver status. Maybe 3. Not sure if the Oil can afford to wait that long.

  124. Pouzar says:

    Andy Dufresne: Simpson has it exactly right.

    Don’t you have a sewer pipe to crawl through????

  125. Munny says:

    VOR,

    Simpson should be fired for that line.

  126. Pouzar says:

    Munny: I think he’s two years away from driver status. Maybe 3. Not sure if the Oil can afford to wait that long.

    2. Max.

    Maybe next year if we can get rid of Dog Whistle.

  127. Andy Dufresne says:

    Pouzar: Don’t you have a sewer pipe to crawl through????

    This site is my sewer pipe. Which makes you….

  128. Pouzar says:

    VOR:
    Let’s ignore Craig Simpson being a reprehensible fool and spouting parenting and coaching strategies from the 1950s. There is much bigger issues here. Presumably he was speaking on behalf of the Oilers organization. Think what that means:

    -this was clearly an attempted defence of how the coaching staff deploys JP.
    -which means the organization thinks they need defending and are worth defending
    -which means the organization expects them back next year

    I will just let you digest that for a moment.

    -sending a proxy out to fight your battles makes you a coward
    -do we really want a coaching staff made up of cowards who send a stooge out to defend them to the media when confronted by this awful 19 year old Finnish dragon

    I just want to ask those posters here who are still in favour of keeping Chia and TMac just what the bleep are you thinking, smoking, drinking?

    These clowns can’t handle the same simple task that thousands of coaches and millions of parents around the world do every year. They can’t help an immature 19 year old become a slightly more mature twenty year old. Really, a leash, choking, fucking really? That’s the best they’ve got?

    But worst of all there will be fans and members of the media who believe this horse shit represents good coaching practice and proves Jesse Puljujarvi lacks the right stuff. To them I will say this. I know for a fact there is a great coach out there nattering in his GMs ear right now about picking up JP for a box of hockey pucks from our Team of Fools.

    Hear, hear

  129. Pouzar says:

    Andy Dufresne: This site is my sewer pipe. Which makes you….

    The only guilty man on this blog?

  130. OmJo says:

    Shouldn’t there be a puck stoppage call if the puck is dislodged in a goaltenders pad/skate?

  131. Andy Dufresne says:

    VOR:
    Let’s ignore Craig Simpson being a reprehensible fool and spouting parenting and coaching strategies from the 1950s. There is much bigger issues here. Presumably he was speaking on behalf of the Oilers organization. Think what that means:

    -this was clearly an attempted defence of how the coaching staff deploys JP.
    -which means the organization thinks they need defending and are worth defending
    -which means the organization expects them back next year

    I will just let you digest that for a moment.

    -sending a proxy out to fight your battles makes you a coward
    -do we really want a coaching staff made up of cowards who send a stooge out to defend them to the media when confronted by this awful 19 year old Finnish dragon

    I just want to ask those posters here who are still in favour of keeping Chia and TMac just what the bleep are you thinking, smoking, drinking?

    These clowns can’t handle the same simple task that thousands of coaches and millions of parents around the world do every year. They can’t help an immature 19 year old become a slightly more mature twenty year old. Really, a leash, choking, fucking really? That’s the best they’ve got?

    But worst of all there will be fans and members of the media who believe this horse shit represents good coaching practice and proves Jesse Puljujarvi lacks the right stuff. To them I will say this. I know for a fact there is a great coach out there nattering in his GMs ear right now about picking up JP for a box of hockey pucks from our Team of Fools.

    This is nonsense.

  132. OilClog says:

    Pouzar:
    JP is a driver in the making folks. Fear not. Just don’t know if it will be with this org.

    That’s the fear 😩

    That and catching whatever diseases fill Andy and his sewer pipes.

  133. OriginalPouzar says:

    100% rampant speculation to state that the organization sent Craig Simpson to publicly defend the coaching staff and to call others cowards and clowns from behind a keyboard based on nothing but baseless speculation is, in my opinion, cowardly in itself.

    Provide one iota of proof that the organization had any had in Simpson’s verbal and I will apologize to you.

  134. Andy Dufresne says:

    Pouzar: The only guilty man on this blog?

    LOL
    I was thinking “the breath of fresh air at the end of the crawl”

  135. Scungilli Slushy says:

    JP – find good players keep good players.

    He’s already a good player.

    What team doesn’t want a big fast winger with skill? I hope it’s not the Oilers. I’ve also noticed players don’t mess with him. He doesn’t need a babysitter to play with him. Not that he’s a fighter, that he’s big and pushes back.

    I love the Fin hockey players. The most similar to Canadians IMO.

  136. Andy Dufresne says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    100% rampant speculation to state that the organization sent Craig Simpson to publicly defend the coaching staff and to call others cowards and clowns from behind a keyboard based on nothing but baseless speculation is, in my opinion, cowardly in itself.

    Provide one iota of proof that the organization had any had in Simpson’s verbal and I will apologize to you.

    +1 Thank You

  137. OilClog says:

    VOR:
    Let’s ignore Craig Simpson being a reprehensible fool and spouting parenting and coaching strategies from the 1950s. There is much bigger issues here. Presumably he was speaking on behalf of the Oilers organization. Think what that means:

    -this was clearly an attempted defence of how the coaching staff deploys JP.
    -which means the organization thinks they need defending and are worth defending
    -which means the organization expects them back next year

    I will just let you digest that for a moment.

    -sending a proxy out to fight your battles makes you a coward
    -do we really want a coaching staff made up of cowards who send a stooge out to defend them to the media when confronted by this awful 19 year old Finnish dragon

    I just want to ask those posters here who are still in favour of keeping Chia and TMac just what the bleep are you thinking, smoking, drinking?

    These clowns can’t handle the same simple task that thousands of coaches and millions of parents around the world do every year. They can’t help an immature 19 year old become a slightly more mature twenty year old. Really, a leash, choking, fucking really? That’s the best they’ve got?

    But worst of all there will be fans and members of the media who believe this horse shit represents good coaching practice and proves Jesse Puljujarvi lacks the right stuff. To them I will say this. I know for a fact there is a great coach out there nattering in his GMs ear right now about picking up JP for a box of hockey pucks from our Team of Fools.

    In The Oilers and Andy’s view it’s fair to say smiling makes one childish. Can’t wear a blue collar and a smile!

    All this +1.

  138. hunter1909 says:

    VOR:
    Let’s ignore Craig Simpson being a reprehensible fool and spouting parenting and coaching strategies from the 1950s. There is much bigger issues here. Presumably he was speaking on behalf of the Oilers organization. Think what that means:

    -this was clearly an attempted defence of how the coaching staff deploys JP.
    -which means the organization thinks they need defending and are worth defending
    -which means the organization expects them back next year

    I will just let you digest that for a moment.

    -sending a proxy out to fight your battles makes you a coward
    -do we really want a coaching staff made up of cowards who send a stooge out to defend them to the media when confronted by this awful 19 year old Finnish dragon

    I just want to ask those posters here who are still in favour of keeping Chia and TMac just what the bleep are you thinking, smoking, drinking?

    These clowns can’t handle the same simple task that thousands of coaches and millions of parents around the world do every year. They can’t help an immature 19 year old become a slightly more mature twenty year old. Really, a leash, choking, fucking really? That’s the best they’ve got?

    But worst of all there will be fans and members of the media who believe this horse shit represents good coaching practice and proves Jesse Puljujarvi lacks the right stuff. To them I will say this. I know for a fact there is a great coach out there nattering in his GMs ear right now about picking up JP for a box of hockey pucks from our Team of Fools.

    LOL

    And again…LOL

  139. OilClog says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    100% rampant speculation to state that the organization sent Craig Simpson to publicly defend the coaching staff and to call others cowards and clowns from behind a keyboard based on nothing but baseless speculation is, in my opinion, cowardly in itself.

    Provide one iota of proof that the organization had any had in Simpson’s verbal and I will apologize to you.

    Wasn’t he the assistant coach to the current Vice President of Hockey operations?

    Staples said he’s an Oilers insider if there has ever been one. Pretty sure Staples wouldn’t say that without it being fact.

    Itsafacccccct

  140. StixMalone says:

    Merchant:
    godot10,

    Fair enough. $3MM is rich based on past performance, I would do 2.5 and bet on him, 97, 29, 93, and 16 being my centre depth for the medium term.

    Strome will be back @ 3 mill / 3 yr deal book it.

  141. Lowetide says:

    After One

    1-0 Edmonton
    18-9 shots
    29-13 Corsi for 5×5

    A brilliant road period.

  142. Andy Dufresne says:

    Nice to see Strome and JP talking it up on the bench.

    Anyone buying what John Shannon is saying….JP not ready to play first line with Connor

    Not even ready to play second line with Leon

    But really looking good and excited to be palying 3rd line with Strome.

    Player developement….its a thing…..kinda like what Simpson was talking about.

  143. hunter1909 says:

    MPS is playing for Ottawa!

    Has anyone told Lowetide?

  144. Nix says:

    StixMalone: Strome will be back @ 3 mill / 3 yr deal book it.

    Sounds like a solid deal that’s just about right for both parties.100% a-ok with this.

  145. Munny says:

    McMagic!

  146. Andy Dufresne says:

    Nix: Sounds like a solid deal that’s just about right for both parties.100% a-ok with this.

    Anything less in dollars will be a value contract

    God Bless Chia

  147. Munny says:

    That is what Nuge is good at. Being the wheel man on the give and go. Very nice play by him (and also Rattie). Nuge doesn’t solve the sniper issue however.

  148. OilClog says:

    They will not find a better line mate then Nuge

  149. StixMalone says:

    Andy Dufresne: Anything less in dollars will be a value contract

    For sure. I have no problem with bringing him back. He’s finding his groove contrary to what some other posters feel…..,.

  150. OilClog says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Nice to see Strome and JP talking it up on the bench.

    Anyone buying what John Shannon is saying….JP not ready to play first line with Connor

    Not even ready to play second line with Leon

    But really looking good and excited to be palying 3rd line with Strome.

    Player developement….its a thing…..kinda like what Simpson was talking about.

    because Rattie on the first makes sense over the teams best RW.

    91 and 46 are definitely better suited in the top 6.

    18mins a night top 6 who would want that when you can have 9-11mins a night trolling with one of the leagues worst performing bottom 6 groupings.

    Doesn’t Jesse always look happy and excited? Isn’t that his trademark? Gaduuuuuuuuuh Like wtf.

  151. Munny says:

    Our one powerplay…

  152. Munny says:

    Bear took something off that to get it on target. Not sure how Strome was stopped.

  153. Munny says:

    Jesus, Anderson is playing lights out.

  154. Nix says:

    Andy Dufresne: Anything less in dollars will be a value contract

    I hear ya. Just still have visions of Descharnais haunting my sleep.
    There’s a lot of holes in this ship, but I don’t think our RH 3C is one of them… Pay the young man the 3 mil and let him really settle in to that role. He’s going to have some good new talent to play with from Jesse, to Kailer perhaps a bit, to eventually kids like Benson I’m sure. Should be fun.

  155. Andy Dufresne says:

    Munny:
    That is what Nuge is good at. Being the wheel man on the give and go. Very nice play by him (and also Rattie).Nuge doesn’t solve the sniper issue however.

    Pairs

    I think we are no longer looking for shooter for McDavid……McDavid IS the shooter.

    So Nuge and Connor are a pair……

    Maybe its Drai we need to find a shooter for…….Can JP or Yamo step up next year?

    Would love to be able to watch whole season of Nuge/Connor dont even care much who is the 3rd player on the line.

  156. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Strome has had a nice run but it would be another mistake to give him anything but a value contract. Just because he’s has no track record so 2×2.5 would be fine, if he can produce more pay him next time.

    This season he hasn’t shown it. This mistake of paying for short runs plagues teams.

  157. hunter1909 says:

    Andy Dufresne: Pairs

    I think we are no longer looking for shooter for McDavid……McDavid IS the shooter.

    So Nuge and Connor are a pair……

    Maybe its Drai we need to find a shooter for…….Can JP or Yamo step up next year?

    Craig Simpson only knows.

  158. Andy Dufresne says:

    Nix: I hear ya. Just still have visions of Descharnais haunting my sleep.
    There’s a lot of holes in this ship, but I don’t think our RH 3C is one of them… Pay the young man the 3 mil and let him really settle in to that role. He’s going to have some good new talent to play with from Jesse, to Kailer perhaps a bit, to eventually kids like Benson I’m sure. Should be fun.

    +1

  159. hunter1909 says:

    Sens are a baaaad team.

  160. Pouzar says:

    A full year with McDavid gets Nuge to that magic 50 imo.

  161. Andy Dufresne says:

    We are quietly playing our way out of a top ten pick.

    Thank goodness our Advanced Stats for the lottery are incredible.

  162. Andy Dufresne says:

    Pouzar:
    A full year with McDavid gets Nuge to that magic 50 imo.

    lol
    +1

  163. Pouzar says:

    OilClog: 91 and 46 are definitely better suited in the top 6.

    Lie down. It will pass.

  164. Munny says:

    An actual good call. Someone let Bettman know.

  165. StixMalone says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    Strome has had a nice run but it would be another mistake to give him anything but a value contract. Just because he’s has no track record so 2×2.5 would be fine, if he can produce more pay him next time.

    This season he hasn’t shown it. This mistake of paying for short runs plagues teams.

    He will be signed. Just not sure if the numbers but 3 mill is what I’m sticking with….

  166. Munny says:

    Drai fanned on an open net. Made me sad.

  167. Andy Dufresne says:

    Please let Bear be that guy that comes up and never goes back down. He is learning fast!

  168. Pouzar says:

    Not sure why McDavid was on the point there. Didn’t like that. Let Bear man that spot cause he isn’t afraid to shoot it.

  169. OilClog says:

    JP has been ready all season to score goals, he’s the highest goal scoring prorated full time winger on the team right now.

    Did Jesse not create Leon’s goal in Carolina on the end of his shift?

    But yea next year lol

    Pouzar:
    A full year with McDavid gets Nuge to that magic 50 imo.

    Mcdavid has 19 in the last 24, or 20 in 25 something like that. Nuge full time he Connor may be a 60g guy next year.

  170. OilClog says:

    If they’re spending 3mill on Strome, give 3.5 to JT Miller.

  171. JimmyV1965 says:

    Wayne Kenov: Gayfish, Thinker, Stelio Kontos that I remember. I change it all the time so the government can’t track me.

    Keep this one for awhile. It’ll give me a chuckle every time I see it. 😂

  172. Lowetide says:

    After Two

    2-0 Edmonton (1-0 in the second)
    Shots 26-22 Edmonton (13-8 Ottawa in the second)
    Corsi for 5×5: 36-30 Edmonton (17-7 Ottawa in the second)

    Some score effects in there but the Oilers lost the script for a time.

  173. JimmyV1965 says:

    I’m with Woodguy on this. I like JP on the third line. Maybe slide Lucic to the fourth line though. Lol. Would like to see more PP time for him though. Gregor suggested starting the second unit instead of the first. Can’t hurt really.

  174. hunter1909 says:

    Scene: Post 2017-18 Season Oilers special Katz’s fury-driven management meetings:

    Receptionist: You can go in now, Mr McLellan
    TMac walks into the office. Hunter1909 sits behind the desk, motions to TMac to sit down.

    Hunter1909: Please explain how a team with McDavid has the worst powerplay in the NHL.
    TMac: Well…
    Hunter1909(cuts in): Thank you for your service to the Oilers. You’re fired.

    TMac walks out of the office. Cut back to the outer office.

    Receptionist: You can go in now, Mr Chiarelli.

    Chiarelli walks into the office. Hunter1909 motions to Chiarelli to sit down.

    Hunter1909: Please explain how a team with McDavid has the worst powerplay in the NHL.
    Chiarelli: Well…
    Hunter1909(cuts in): Thank you for your service to the Oilers. Your fired.

    Chiarelli walks out of the office. Cut back to the outer office.

    SPECIAL FANTASY BONUS EDITION

    Receptionist: You can go in now, Lowe + MacT….

  175. JimmyV1965 says:

    VOR:
    Let’s ignore Craig Simpson being a reprehensible fool and spouting parenting and coaching strategies from the 1950s. There is much bigger issues here. Presumably he was speaking on behalf of the Oilers organization. Think what that means:

    -this was clearly an attempted defence of how the coaching staff deploys JP.
    -which means the organization thinks they need defending and are worth defending
    -which means the organization expects them back next year

    I will just let you digest that for a moment.

    -sending a proxy out to fight your battles makes you a coward
    -do we really want a coaching staff made up of cowards who send a stooge out to defend them to the media when confronted by this awful 19 year old Finnish dragon

    I just want to ask those posters here who are still in favour of keeping Chia and TMac just what the bleep are you thinking, smoking, drinking?

    These clowns can’t handle the same simple task that thousands of coaches and millions of parents around the world do every year. They can’t help an immature 19 year old become a slightly more mature twenty year old. Really, a leash, choking, fucking really? That’s the best they’ve got?

    But worst of all there will be fans and members of the media who believe this horse shit represents good coaching practice and proves Jesse Puljujarvi lacks the right stuff. To them I will say this. I know for a fact there is a great coach out there nattering in his GMs ear right now about picking up JP for a box of hockey pucks from our Team of Fools.

    Why does everyone think Simpson speaks for the organization? I’ve heard him criticize the organization multiple times. Him and Maguire are two of my least favourite analyists though. They don’t say anything insightful.

  176. OmJo says:

    Could Bobby Ryan have a Brown type season in the near future?

    Is it worth risking a trade for him, assuming Ottawa retains some of the salary in the contract, maybe for a slightly more significant return (ie not just Cagguila)?

    Slepyshev and Strome for Bobby Ryan @ 50% retained?

    Is this even possible, let alone reasonable?

    Idk.

  177. OmJo says:

    hunter1909:
    Scene: Post 2017-18 Season Oilers special Katz’s fury-driven management meetings:

    Receptionist: You can go in now, Mr McLellan
    TMac walks into the office. Hunter1909 sits behind the desk, motions to TMac to sit down.

    Hunter1909: Please explain how a team with McDavid has the worst powerplay in the NHL.
    TMac: Well…
    Hunter1909(cuts in): Thank you for your service to the Oilers. You’re fired.

    TMac walks out of the office. Cut back to the outer office.

    Receptionist: You can go in now, Mr Chiarelli.

    Chiarelli walks into the office. Hunter1909 motions to Chiarelli to sit down.

    Hunter1909: Please explain how a team with McDavid has the worst powerplay in the NHL.
    Chiarelli: Well…
    Hunter1909(cuts in): Thank you for your service to the Oilers. Your fired.

    Chiarelli walks out of the office. Cut back to the outer office.

    SPECIAL FANTASY BONUS EDITION

    Receptionist: You can go in now, Lowe + MacT….

    Hunter1909 for president!

    Btw, is 1909 your birth year?

  178. OmJo says:

    I like Bobby Ryan. I think he needs a change of scenery that his contract is making much more difficult.

    Then again, the Senators will likely want to offload the entire contract. Then again, I’m not sure of any team willing to give up assets for that contract.

  179. Munny says:

    Anus tightening goal from Duchene

  180. Munny says:

    And the Nugget has the answer. Sphincter relaxing response

  181. Andy Dufresne says:

    Man….Nuge is looking like he did the last time he played with talent…….Hall…Nuge..Ebbs

  182. Munny says:

    McPoints everywhere!

  183. Munny says:

    I am enjoying Rattie’s audition.

  184. Confused says:

    Connor starting to smell the Art

  185. StixMalone says:

    Well that was all done in under 1 minute whew….

  186. Andy Dufresne says:

    Conner…..Art Ross and Hart….as if there was ever any doubt

  187. Munny says:

    Kooch has one point in the Bolts 7 goal outburst thus far.

  188. Pretendergast says:

    Woot! Man if this team had a powerplay, woof

    Edit:lol

  189. Munny says:

    Drake gets another

  190. Pretendergast says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    Mackinnon is getting the Hart because playoffs

  191. Munny says:

    Sens imploding

  192. OilClog says:

    98 isn’t on either unit, sweet.

  193. Munny says:

    Drai’s canoe paddle seems to have a hole in it tonight

  194. Andy Dufresne says:

    Is Dorion seeing any scores he likes……Rattie….Caggs….Aberg……

    They are all availble…..IF the Price is Right!

    Ama right Pouzar?

  195. Pouzar says:

    Munny:
    Drake gets another

    He’s gonna be back next year isn’t he?

  196. StixMalone says:

    Pouzar: He’s gonna be back next year isn’t he?

    Probably

  197. Andy Dufresne says:

    Pretendergast:
    Andy Dufresne,

    Mackinnon is getting the Hart because playoffs

    Hoping Connor can over come the US/Eastern Media Bias that has screwed Oilers for years. If anyone can do it….its the best player on the planet earth.

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