G77 2017-18: Blue Jackets at Oilers

On the weekend they chose him, I wrote the following about Jesse Puljujarvi: The Oilers have enjoyed a lifetime of good luck at the last two drafts, especially the first rounds. They lost the lottery, and won the war. A brilliant, fast train with two-way acumen is a tremendous addition to a forward group who often forget their lessons defensively. We have miles to discuss, but he could start his NA career in Bakersfield as early as this fall—possibly receiving an NHL look. Either way, absolute manna from heaven. Music!

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WATERLOO SUNSET, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • March 2016: 7-6-0, goal differential 0 (14 points)
  • March 2017: 10-2-1, goal differential +21 (21 points)
  • March 2018: 7-4-2, goal differential +6 (16 points)
  • March 26, 2016: Los Angeles 6, Edmonton 4 (Source)
  • March 2017 schedule complete

The Oilers have three more games this month and a chance to hit 20 points. Considering the season we’ve all just witnessed, that seems impossible. Connor McDavid going whatever comes after super nova, Cam Talbot’s return to Cambot status and improved special teams are reasons for recent success.

AFTER 76, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers 15-16: 29-40-7, goal differential -48 (65 points)
  • Oilers 16-17: 42-25-9, goal differential +38 (93 points)
  • Oilers 17-18: 34-36-6, goal differential -25 (74 points)
  • March 24, 2016: Edmonton 6, San Jose 3 (Source)
  • March 30, 2017: Edmonton 3, San Jose 2 (Source)

We’re close to the end of the season (six games left, including tonight), and the gap between the 15-16 team and last year’s club remains massive. In the final six games of the regular season 2015-16, Edmonton went 2-3-1 to finish 31-43-8, 70 points. The 2016-17 group, already a massive success, would wind down 5-1-0, to conclude 47-26-9, 103 points. This year’s group has been working like hell to finish strong, I keep thinking this lands around 80 points.

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM MARCH

  • At home to: Nashville, NY Rangers, Arizona, NY Islanders, Minnesota (Expected 2-3-0) (Actual 3-2-0)
  • On the road to: Calgary (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • At home to: San Jose (Expected 0-0-1) (Actual 0-0-1)
  • On the road to: Florida, Tampa Bay, Carolina, Ottawa (Expected 1-2-1) (Actual 3-1-0)
  • At home to: Los Angeles, Anaheim, Columbus (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 1-0-1)
  • On the road to: Vancouver, Calgary (Expected 1-0-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 6-7-3, 15 points in 16 games
  • Current results: 7-4-2, 16 points in 13 games

The Oilers have reached and exceeded my RE with three games to go, I don’t recall a month this season more pleasing. Too late by plenty, but it’s been enjoyable just the same.

OILERS AT THE DRAFT, 2018

  • First Round—No. 10 overall
  • Second Round—No. 41 overall
  • Third Round—No. 72 overall
  • Fourth Round—No. 103 overall (Oilers acquired goaltender Al Montoya from the Montreal Canadiens in exchange for a fourth-round pick in 2018)
  • Fifth Round—No. 134 overall
  • Sixth Round—No. 165 overall
  • Seventh Round—No. 196 overall

All this damned winning has poked a giant hole in the Oilers draft pick numbers. Edmonton is actually tied with NY Rangers for No. 22 overall, but have one more win so would in fact select No. 10 before the lottery drawing. Things could change, but the dream of a top-five pick will have to rely on a lottery win.

OILERS MOCK DRAFT 2018

  • First Round—No. 10 overall— LD Quinn Hughes, Michigan (NCAA). Fast as lightning defender, smooth as silk.. NHLE: 21.80. Steve Kournianois: Hughes is a strong playmaker with excellent vision, capable of threading the needle with either hard or saucered cross-ice passes. Additionally, he has a heavy shot with a quick release, and goaltenders have to work hard to control rebounds of his shots. Hughes makes plays on his backhand look effortless, and he’s adept at receiving and settling down pucks while traveling at a high rate of speed. His defensive play is relatively sound in terms of positioning and one-on-one tactics. Hughes is a clever thief with a quick stick who transitions from defense to offense in the blink of an eye. He has top-pairing potential and can quarterback any power play regardless of the talent or skill level of the surrounding personnel. Source
  • Second Round—No. 36 overall— LC Milos Roman, Vancouver Giants (WHL). A smart player in all areas of the ice. He is a playmaker with the puck on his stick and is a reliable player defensively. A nice range of skills. NHLE: 20.
  • Third Round—No. 67 overall—W Samuel Fagemo, Frolunda (SuperElite). Good boots and an excellent shot, he’s a bit one dimensional but scoring goals is the hardest thing to do. Scored five goals in five games at the Hlinka, he shoots right and often plays left-wing. NHLE: 16.6.
  • Fourth Round—No. 98 overall (Oilers acquired goaltender Al Montoya from the Montreal Canadiens in exchange for a fourth-round pick in 2018)
  • Fifth Round—No. 129 overall—RC Aidan Dudas, Owen Sound Attack (OHL). Small (5.07) and highly skilled (31-34-65 in 68 OHL games) forward. Fabulous with the puck on his stick, elusive and possesses a plus shot. NHLE: 23.5.
  • Sixth Round—No. 160 overall—L Jack Randl, Omaha Lancers (USHL). Strong two-way winger who blossomed this season offensively, scoring 19 goals in 42 games. Not on the radar but he can score goals. NHLE: 15.3
  • Seventh Round—No. 191 overall—L Cole Fonstadt, Prince Albert Raiders (WHL). Finesse skill winger, great hands. NHLE: 24.1.

It’s a weird draft this season, the Oilers are going to be able to grab one terrific prospect and then a bunch of mid-level bets. They have done well in this area recently (Ethan Bear, Caleb Jones, Filip Berglund, Ostap Safin, Dmitri Samorukov, Kirill Maksimov) and my mock is a series of selections who have at least some offensive ability along with one or two other skills. Roman and Fagemo look like excellent prospects. My goal is to have the top 100 for 2018 published by Wednesday, my recent top 75 is here.

Most of the goalie prospects struggled this season, Skinner absolutely tore up the charts. After being dealt to the Swift Current Broncos, he’s been an outstanding goalie and I expect he’ll get signed sooner than later.

It sounds like Berglund is having a good playoff run (loose translation: “and Filip Berglund is growing out to a fucking sundaresan”). Perhaps Swedish poster can tell us about sundaresan, but it sounds good.

I suspect Joey Laleggia will be heading toward the ‘journeyman’ portion of his career, likely to sign with another NHL team. With the recent success of former Oilers’ farmhands like Jordan Oesterle and Brad Hunt, I wonder if an NHL team will sign Laleggia and deploy him (again) as a defender? He is ideally suited to the modern game, I can see someone taking a shot.

I read the Craig Simpson comments the other day and honestly think the world has this backwards. This isn’t about Jesse Puljujarvi ‘learning to be a pro’ but it is about the Edmonton Oilers figuring out how to develop talent that isn’t merely plug-and-play. This is a test, sure as hell. The Oilers are the subject.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A busy, fun morning as we edge nearer baseball’s opening day. At 10 this morning, TSN1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Jonathan Willis, The Athletic. Connor McDavid in the material world.
  • JP Hornstra from the Southern California News Group. Is this the Dodgers year?
  • Scott Cullen, TSN. McDavid for Hart, Islanders miss playoffs, mlb.
  • Jesse Rogers from ESPN Chicago. What about the Cubs? Can Tinker to Evers to Chance work their magic again?

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Talk soon!

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  1. Wilde says:

    The sticks of the Oilers forwards in the DZ are so, so bad right now/

  2. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Glass:
    I thought we wanted a good draft pick? And McPoints? Isn’t losing and McDavid getting 3+ points really good?

    ^This!

  3. Munny says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker),

    Ha!

    Are you still in New Mex btw or are you back on Tokyo time again?

  4. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    BONE207: And the wife has lifted her apron

    Woah. This thread has taken a big left turn at the turnpike.

  5. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Munny:
    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker),

    Ha!

    Are you still in New Mex btw or are you on Tokyo time again?

    Just got back to Tokyo last night, but I think I am in Southwest timezone still.

  6. BONE207 says:

    OmJo:
    Listening to the game on 630 CHED: Oilers score 3

    Pizza comes, turn on the game on TV: Jackets score 3

    Pizza is mean

  7. BONE207 says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): Woah. This thread has taken a big left turn at the turnpike.

    Wait till I tell you about the butcher & the midwife

  8. Pouzar says:

    That was fun.
    Anyone wanna talk Cryptocurrencies?

  9. Lowetide says:

    After One

    3-3 tie
    shots 14-11 CBJ
    Corsi for 5×5 25-13 CBJ

    I’ve watched Oilers hockey since 1972, THAT was an original.

  10. OmJo says:

    BONE207: Pizza is mean

    And it’s an Oilers sponsor lol

    Pizza 73

    Double agents!

  11. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    McDavid one more point to be at 2PPG over 16 games (31 in his last 16). We are so lucky, even though our team is so painful to cheer for

  12. leadfarmer says:

    If goalies decline at 30 someone needs to tell the NHL that. Lots of goalies in their 30s. Seems like the decline is more health related. Talbot doesn’t have the miles or injury history. Key is stop playing him that much. If 23 year old Vasilevskyi can complain about fatigue then maybe a 30 year old goalie should as well

  13. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – Just make some f$ng save Talbot

    – Seriously, its just a bad look, try harder, be engaged, make a statement, support your team

    – Christ is Chia Sh$t: get some good goalies FFS

  14. BONE207 says:

    Pouzar:
    That was fun.
    Anyone wanna talk Cryptocurrencies?

    Can we talk about our favorite whipping boy…TMac…aka…midwife. Birthing of a zombie

  15. JimmyV1965 says:

    Wilde:
    The sticks of the Oilers forwards in the DZ are so, so bad right now/

    I was just thinking that. Clog up a frickin lane.

  16. Wilde says:

    Fun fact: Jesse Puljujarvi and Pierre Luc-Dubios have scored at similar rates at even strength, but:

    – PLD has been given time on the PP1

    – John Tortorella trusts him on DZ draws against top lines

    – PLD has over 1000 minutes, most common forward linemate is their best player, Artemi Panarin, 700 minutes together

    – Jesse Puljujarvi has around 700, most common linemate has been Lucic with 400 minutes

    – PLD doesn’t have articles and interviews produced about him having character issues, instead this was written about him by Tim Reed in the Athletic:

    “The mere fact John Tortorella had a 19-year-old center on the ice in the final minute of a one-goal game in the heat of a playoff race illustrates the coach’s belief in Dubois. The strapping 6-foot-3, 207-pound forward is a big reason why, in the words of his coach, the Blue Jackets “were able to stay afloat” when so many veteran teammates struggled through January and February.”

    Which method of development would you prefer between the two?

    #free98

  17. BONE207 says:

    Wilde,

    That is a fun fact. Good work

    So you’re saying it’s us…

  18. OmJo says:

    Going to return to listening to the game on the radio.

  19. Munny says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): Just got back to Tokyo last night, but I think I am in Southwest timezone still.

    Well, I hope you manage to catch some Zzz’s (or the relevant Kanji) after the game! Nice to hear you made it back safe and sound.

  20. Pretendergast says:

    Wilde,

    #notwoplayersarethesame

  21. Wilde says:

    BONE207:
    Wilde,

    That is a fun fact. Good work

    So you’re saying it’s us…

    The part about Tortorella dumping his vets(he scratched Cam Atkinson, even) and having the youth save the season is the killer for me.

    McLellan did the exact opposite.

  22. Munny says:

    Pouzar:
    That was fun.
    Anyone wanna talk Cryptocurrencies?

    I would but I’m in the midst of buying a hydroelectric dam.

  23. BONE207 says:

    OmJo:
    Going to return to listening to the game on the radio.

    Sacrifices have to be made Omjo…and we’re out of chickens

  24. Pouzar says:

    Munny: I would but I’m in the midst of buying a hydroelectric dam.

    noob!

  25. Munny says:

    OmJo:
    Going to return to listening to the game on the radio.

    But what about the pizza!!!

  26. Wilde says:

    Pretendergast:
    Wilde,

    #notwoplayersarethesame

    Ah, of course.

    Let’s throw everything out then, and make it up as we go!!

    Why bother with a pursuit of empirical analysis?!

  27. Lowetide says:

    Nice edges by Nuge there.

  28. Munny says:

    All over us. Sekera had no clue what to do.

  29. BONE207 says:

    Wilde: Ah, of course.

    Let’s throw everything out then, and make it up as we go!!

    Sounds like Oilers coaching for the last 5 years

  30. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    The oilers are god awful in their own end. Like absolutely fucking horrible.

  31. Pouzar says:

    ahem

  32. npanciroli says:

    This is incredible to watch.

  33. Pretendergast says:

    That was comically bad

  34. BONE207 says:

    Lowetide:
    Nice edges by Nuge there.

    I like his hair

  35. Munny says:

    Some good thoughts by Pujo on that shift.

  36. Wilde says:

    Yes, Drew.

    Both defenseman. Nobody else’s man touched the puck there, nope.

  37. npanciroli says:

    I can’t look away. The defensive system is something to behold.

  38. Pretendergast says:

    Wilde,

    That’s not what I said or meant, I actually was on your side making a joke, lighten up

  39. BONE207 says:

    Munny:
    I’m surprised TMac went with the 4th after that icing.

    The midwife has resorted to sorcery

  40. StixMalone says:

    npanciroli:
    I can’t look away. The defensive system is something to behold.

    We have a system?

  41. Munny says:

    Good work, Jewels.

  42. npanciroli says:

    StixMalone,

    LOL

  43. Munny says:

    StixMalone: We have a system?

    Of a down.

  44. BONE207 says:

    StixMalone: We have a system?

    If I had that kind of system I’d be out of underwear

  45. Munny says:

    BONE207: The midwife has resorted to sorcery

    We’re going to need necromancy because the dog is dead.

  46. StixMalone says:

    Pull Talbot please

  47. Wilde says:

    I think that PK earned a GA three times over.

  48. Munny says:

    El Bee sighting.

  49. StixMalone says:

    Fire Sekera to the sun…

  50. BONE207 says:

    Munny: We’re going to need necromancy because the dog is dead.

    You don’t want to see the wife either. Atkinson had 2 cups of coffee before shooting. Didn’t catch the brand

  51. Pretendergast says:

    Sorry Todd, you lost me, Torts team is playing regular hockey with typical systems play and this team is entirely overwhelmed.

    Seksy, woof

  52. Wilde says:

    Caggiula’s mark could have had a tap in there.

  53. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    Pretendergast:
    Sorry Todd, you lost me, Torts team is playing regular hockey with typical systems play and this team is entirely overwhelmed.

    Seksy, woof

    The oilers have no idea what to do in the d zone. It’s comical. I hope mcdavid doesn’t save the coaches job.

  54. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Awesome. A three goal lead off of 5 shots with McD getting to 40G and 101 points, then a CBJ 5 goal smackdown started off by a RNH buttflection.

    You can’t MAKE this shit up!!

  55. StixMalone says:

    Réal Goudenyéu: The oilers have no idea what to do in the d zone. It’s comical. I hope mcdavid doesn’t save the coaches job.

    Réal Goudenyéu: The oilers have no idea what to do in the d zone. It’s comical. I hope mcdavid doesn’t save the coaches job.

    It’s been going on all year! Nothing changes…

  56. Munny says:

    I don’t know if the Oilers are puck-watching so much as memorizing it’s every detail and then painting a still life with a one dial Etch-a-Sketch.

  57. Confused says:

    Welcome back LB!

  58. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Munny: Well, I hope you manage to catch some Zzz’s (or the relevant Kanji) after the game! Nice to hear you made it back safe and sound.

    Thank you. Very kind of you.

  59. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    The team defense is just unsightly. Calling it a dog’s breakfast does disservice to the appearance of canine nourishment.

  60. BONE207 says:

    Munny:
    I don’t know if the Oilers are puck-watching so much as memorizing it’s every detail and then painting a still life with a one dial Etch-a-Sketch.

    Lol…
    I had one as a kid. 3d was a revelation for me

  61. VOR says:

    leadfarmer:
    If goalies decline at 30 someone needs to tell the NHL that.Lots of goalies in their 30s.Seems like the decline is more health related.Talbot doesn’t have the miles or injury history.Key is stop playing him that much.If 23 year old Vasilevskyi can complain about fatigue then maybe a 30 year old goalie should as well

    Injury is definitely a compounding factor. However, Woodguy is right that age is the key factor. The Type 2 fast twitch fibres I mentioned before are vital to pushing off (moving side to side) and getting up and down quickly and those abilities are critical to goaltending.

    Elite goaltenders that continue into their thirties and early forties work extremely hard on flexibility (Yoga and Pilates are common approaches), explosiveness, thinking the game, working the angles, and managing their d-corps. They also start to manage their training to allow more recovery time and do more cross training. In other words while they are getting slower they are also training and playing smarter. But good genetics probably comes into the equation somewhere.

    Will Talbot be one of the few goaltenders that thrive as they age? It is very hard to know.

  62. hunter1909 says:

    Hunter1909’s Practical Chinese Philosophy thinks:

    Tonight’s game is one of small pain now for rewards later.

  63. jp says:

    StixMalone:
    Fire Sekera to the sun…

    I didn’t even see the play, but can we give Sekera his year to recover from major knee surgery?

    He was a key player last year. Hopefully he gets back there. Maybe he doesn’t. Give the guy till October before firing him to the sun though.

  64. StixMalone says:

    Damn

  65. Lowetide says:

    McDavid didn’t score on a breakaway.

  66. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    It’s weird. McDavid’s ice time is down by a lot here. usually he easily has the most among both teams’ forwards. What’s TMac doing? He has 3 points in the first, so let’s give him less ice in the second? Yeah, he was also in picture on a couple of goals, but so was the entire team.

  67. Munny says:

    Thought that was in. Nice release by Ratso Rizzo.

  68. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    I posted an hour ago bobrovsky will not allow another.

    I’ll still keep watching tho

  69. N64 says:

    Every commentator: McDavid does not shoot enough.

    Nuge: Hold my drink.

    How many games since coach finally put them together? How many points for 97 in those games? On pace for how many McPoints per 82? Spector says no one is prying Nuge out of Edmonton now.

  70. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    This is a season to forget for Milan Lucic.

  71. BONE207 says:

    I wish the Oilers had a PP like that

  72. Munny says:

    Réal Goudenyéu:
    I posted an hour ago bobrovsky will not allow another.

    I’ll still keep watching tho

    Have you ordered pizza?

  73. StixMalone says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    This is a season to forget for Milan Lucic.

    I’m trying to forget it too but Connor forces me to watch…

  74. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    The Oilers’ PK is not a system. I don’t know what it is. But if definitely has no structure that can be seen.

  75. StixMalone says:

    BONE207:
    I wish the Oilers had a PP like that

    It’s in 30th place lol and it’s killing us…

  76. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    StixMalone: I’m trying to forget it too but Connor forces me to watch…

    That’s what I mean when I say we are so lucky even as we are not. Lucky to have him but it keeps us watching otherwise terrible hockey.

  77. Munny says:

    The awesomeness continues

  78. StixMalone says:

    Put Lucic in net lol

  79. StixMalone says:

    Well it’s time to watch Dr. Pol stick his arm up a horses ass…..

  80. BONE207 says:

    BONE207:
    I wish the Oilers had a PP like that

    Hell…I wish I had a PP like that…*looks down*

  81. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    This team does not have any structure in their own zone. None. Pathetic. The coaching needs to change. Coaching–either TMc adapts or bring in a new coach.

  82. little.fiery.one says:

    They need to sort out their defensive zone exits / transition play before next year cause it seems most teams have the book on them. They have been brutal all night at getting it out. Is it a matter of personnel? Coaching tactics? This is awful to watch.

  83. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    I wanna believe you guys who say minor tweaks will fix it all next year…I wanna believe….

  84. BONE207 says:

    Réal Goudenyéu:
    I wanna believe you guys who say minor tweaks will fix it all next year…I wanna believe….

    Isn’t a coaching change minor? Asking for all my friends…

  85. StixMalone says:

    BONE207: Isn’t a coaching change minor? Asking for all my friends…

    Depends which coaches….

  86. leadfarmer says:

    VOR,

    But looking around the league, it’s not just a few goaltenders who are thriving. It’s actually pretty darn rare to be a starter under 28
    https://www.hockey-reference.com/leagues/NHL_2018_goalies.html

    Allen 27
    Lehner I guess is technically a starter is 26
    Gibson is 24
    Hellebuyck is 24
    Vasilevskyi is almost 24
    Murray is 23

    So if you count Lehner as likely losing a starter job that’s 5/31 teams have a starter have a starter under 28.

    In fact there is as many starters 35 and over as there are under 28 in this league
    Luongo is 38
    Anderson is 36
    Lundkvist is 35
    Smith is 35
    Rinne is 35

  87. BONE207 says:

    StixMalone: Depends which coaches….

    We give away or get?

  88. StixMalone says:

    I was looking forward to a Torts meltdown not an Oilers one….

  89. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    BONE207: Isn’t a coaching change minor? Asking for all my friends…

    I really have no faith that the coach will be fired tho that’s the problem. I wanted him gone mid November. I’m worried that people who say he’ll get one more year are right.

  90. Fuhr and Lowething. says:

    Cam, bam, thank you ma’am.

  91. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    The Jets have 102 points with 7 games to go. Wow.

  92. BONE207 says:

    Réal Goudenyéu: I really have no faith that the coach will be fired tho that’s the problem. I wanted him gone mid November. I’m worried that people who say he’ll get one more year are right.

    Is Katz one of those?

  93. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    BONE207: Is Katz one of those?

    You know that Katz is going to fire the coach? Awesome.

  94. Lowetide says:

    After Two:

    6-3 CBJ (3-0 Jackets in the second)
    Shots 23-16 CBJ (9-5 Jackets in the second)
    Corsi for 5×5 54-29 CBJ (25-12 in the second Jackets)
    ==

    Lordy.

  95. danny says:

    If Colorado miss the playoffs, there’s no way Mack gets the MVP over McJesus. Right?

  96. BONE207 says:

    Réal Goudenyéu: You know that Katz is going to fire the coach? Awesome.

    Rumor had it. Ahhh…I hate all this speculation on good people. Who knows what goes on behind those doors. I will follow CONNOR wherever he takes his team.

  97. Confused says:

    End of season.

    Saw basically the same against LAK and ANA, they are at 110%, we are about 80%.

    The thing that confuses is that even at 80 Connor is still better than everyone else.

    6 points up in the Art, so we can relax down to 70.

  98. VanIsleOil says:

    StixMalone:
    Well it’s time to watch Dr. Pol stick his arm up a horses ass…..

    haha, thanks, needed a laugh watching this game.

  99. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Mark Spector is an assclown. Yes, I will say that to his face if I meet him.

  100. Nailer Yakumoto says:

    Connor loses Hart vote by one point, all because of Spector, calling it now.

  101. BONE207 says:

    Nailer Yakumoto:
    Connor loses Hart vote by one point, all because of Spector, calling it now.

    Louis beating him off camera as I write…

  102. Wilde says:

    BONE207: Louis beating him off camera as I write…

    Christ that was a dangerous sentence in spoken-word

  103. danny says:

    If Mcdavid were on TB, and Kucherov on Edmonton, there would be a 20pt gap between them. Easy.

  104. BONE207 says:

    Wilde: Christ that was a dangerous sentence in spoken-word

    I meant jacking…😁

  105. StixMalone says:

    This team pissed me off a lot this season but I can smile and sleep comfortably knowing that both Calgary and the Islanders are out of the playoffs hehe

  106. Munny says:

    Some signs of execution and structure.

  107. BONE207 says:

    Munny:
    Some signs of execution and structure.

    They are building a gallows? Where?

  108. StixMalone says:

    I think Looch has a wooden leg….

  109. Munny says:

    BONE207: They are building a gallows? Where?

    Looks like TMac’s office…

  110. BONE207 says:

    StixMalone:
    I think Looch has a wooden leg….

    So kicking pucks in would be legal with that leg?

  111. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    You can just see the goals against coming from miles away. The coverage breakdowns over and over and over and the other teams just exploit that.

  112. Munny says:

    Game Over.

    So 80s one hit wonders tomorrow night… Have to somehow go deep with my cuts, however contradictory that sounds.

  113. Surrey Oiler says:

    If anyone for 1 bloody second thought that LB had a chance of being a NHL backup…here’s the bloody proof in the pudding!

  114. Surrey Oiler says:

    BONE207: Louis beating him off camera as I write…

    Oh boy I hope not! Children are at the arena for Pete’s sake!

  115. jp says:

    VOR: Injury is definitely a compounding factor. However, Woodguy is right that age is the key factor. The Type 2 fast twitch fibres I mentioned before are vital to pushing off (moving side to side) and getting up and down quickly and those abilities are critical to goaltending.

    Elite goaltenders that continue into their thirties and early forties work extremely hard on flexibility (Yoga and Pilates are common approaches), explosiveness, thinking the game, working the angles, and managing their d-corps. They also start to manage their training to allow more recovery time and do more cross training. In other words while they are getting slower they are also training and playing smarter. But good genetics probably comes into the equation somewhere.

    Will Talbot be one of the few goaltenders that thrive as they age? It is very hard to know.

    leadfarmer:
    VOR,

    But looking around the league, it’s not just a few goaltenders who are thriving.It’s actually pretty darn rare to be a starter under 28
    https://www.hockey-reference.com/leagues/NHL_2018_goalies.html

    Allen 27
    Lehner I guess is technically a starter is 26
    Gibson is 24
    Hellebuyck is 24
    Vasilevskyi is almost 24
    Murray is 23

    So if you count Lehner as likely losing a starter job that’s 5/31 teams have a starter have a starter under 28.

    In fact there is as many starters 35 and over as there are under 28 in this league
    Luongo is 38
    Anderson is 36
    Lundkvist is 35
    Smith is 35
    Rinne is 35

    Yeah, thinking the same thing (that goalies are older rather than younger).

    VOR, what’s WG been saying? And where can I find it? Earlier today?

    I was just looking at ages for each position.

    As of October 5th 2017 (when exactly did the season start?)
    Position–MedianAge–25thPercentile–%Over 30 yrs
    F–25yrs-11mo–29yrs-9mo–23.0%
    D–26yrs-6mo–29yrs-6mo–22.7%
    G–29yrs-2mo–31yrs-8mo–44.3%

    For reference, I included all F and D with >40GP as of today, and all G with >15GP, giving 383F, 194D and 61F. Pretty damn close to 1 full lineup for every team (372/186/62)

    So the average goalie is WAY older than other positions. I didn’t look at just starters, or just elite players, I suppose it could be different, but goalies in general seem to age better.

  116. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Wow… 7 unanswered goals against… after opening up with a 3-0 lead…

    Whats even more surprising? I’m really not that surprised…

  117. chefmclean says:

    Anyone else notice that we seem to look better with OV2 in the lineup.

  118. StixMalone says:

    Crazy Pedestrian:
    Wow… 7 unanswered goals against… after opening up with a 3-0 lead…

    Whats even more surprising? I’m really not that surprised…

    What’s even more surprising? If Connor wasn’t playing tonight the score would be 7-0….

  119. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Lucic had a 3 foot lead at the top of the circle to chase the icing and lost the race to the hashmarks. LOL.

    So McLellan decides to punish his team by punishing the fans and not putting McDavid out for the PP.

    Just great

  120. StixMalone says:

    Need to get our draft position back ….

  121. Confused says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker),

    It’s fan appreciation night 😁

  122. jp says:

    chefmclean:
    Anyone else notice that we seem to look better with OV2 in the lineup.

    Don’t bother, it’s too late.

  123. russ99 says:

    We’re getting crushed by teams with a dominant line because the coach doesn’t believe in line matching and would rather have Nuge cavorting around on offense than matching against the toughs like he did so well in the postseason last year and at the World Cup.

    This doesn’t change next year without a concerted effort to get better players and employ strategies to play better as a team without the puck. Strome isn’t a defensive center and probably won’t ever be.

  124. Wilde says:

    russ99:
    We’re getting crushed by teams with a dominant line because the coach doesn’t believe in line matching and would rather have Nuge cavorting around on offense than matching against the toughs like he did so well in the postseason last year and at the World Cup.

    This doesn’t change next year without a concerted effort to get better players and employ strategies to play better as a team without the puck. Strome isn’t a defensive center and probably won’t ever be.

    Babyface-Nuge stole my girl, part 63

  125. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    Confused:
    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker),

    It’s fan appreciation night

    I’m sure everyone appreciated the seven unanswered.

  126. Newton says:

    Wilde,

    Can’t agree more regarding Strome – it was novel for a while but its clear he will never be a checking line centre nor scoring line centre….he is officially grey man

  127. Newton says:

    The media has been projecting that Todd will be back and staying stubborn on this point. After yet another pathetic effort on fan appreciation night he again waits til its too late to pull Talbot, doesn’t call a timeout (has he called one this year?) and rolls the lines on the PP like he’s completely out of ideas. I believe even the OBC and Katz will want blood and not just Woodcock et al.

  128. VOR says:

    jp:
    Yeah, thinking the same thing (that goalies are older rather than younger).

    VOR, what’s WG been saying? And where can I find it? Earlier today?

    I was just looking at ages for each position.

    As of October 5th 2017 (when exactly did the season start?)
    Position–MedianAge–25thPercentile–%Over 30 yrs
    F–25yrs-11mo–29yrs-9mo–23.0%
    D–26yrs-6mo–29yrs-6mo–22.7%
    G–29yrs-2mo–31yrs-8mo–44.3%

    For reference, I included all F and D with >40GP as of today, and all G with >15GP, giving 383F, 194D and 61F. Pretty damn close to 1 full lineup for every team (372/186/62)

    So the average goalie is WAY older than other positions. I didn’t look at just starters, or just elite players, I suppose it could be different, but goalies in general seem to age better.

    Earlier tonight Woodguy pointed out that there is overwhelming evidence that goalies start to deteriorate at 30 and that the Oilers need to urgently find a goalie of the future in case Talbot’s performance falls off dramatically over the next few years. He also pointed out that there are physiological reasons this deterioration occurs.

    Here is one of more than a dozen studies all showing a startling deterioration in goaltending performance post 30.

    https://hockey-graphs.com/2014/03/21/how-well-do-goalies-age-a-look-at-a-goalie-aging-curve/

    Keep in mind this is just one of many studies all saying the same thing.

    I pointed out things are slightly more complicated than Woodguy was allowing for but his fundamental argument isn’t wrong.

    It matters not a wit how many old goaltenders are playing in the NHL right now. The argument being made is the smart money bet is most of them aren’t as good as they were at 29. Not as a class, as individuals. They aren’t as good as their younger selves. And the deterioration in their performance will continue to worsen.

  129. Gerta Rauss says:

    Munny: So 80s one hit wonders tomorrow night… Have to somehow go deep with my cuts, however contradictory that sounds

    -psychedelic furs love my way
    -modern english i melt with you
    -kajagoogo too shy
    -tommy tutone 867 5309
    -soft cell tainted love
    -i won’t even mention those seagull fellows

    *edit-all wonderful songs btw…well, maybe not the kajagoogo so much, but I do like the other songs

  130. who says:

    Looks like Columbus has a good one in Dubois. They wanted a 1C and it looks like they got one.
    Wonder who the Oilers would have picked if JP was gone. I’d like to think it would have been Dubois or Sergachev. Tkatchuk was the safer pick but I still think these other three guys have higher ceilings.
    Also Chychryn is looking good in his 2nd season with Arizona.
    Oh, and the Oilers suck in their own end.

  131. Wilde says:

    5 even strength goals from the slot, and at least 5 more where I noticed a Jacket waiting uncovered in a dangerous area.

    Easily could have been worse.

  132. VOR says:

    VOR: Earlier tonight Woodguy pointed out that there is overwhelming evidence that goalies start to deteriorate at 30 and that the Oilers need to urgently find a goalie of the future in case Talbot’s performance falls off dramatically over the next few years. He also pointed out that there are physiological reasons this deterioration occurs.

    Here is one of more than a dozen studies all showing a startling deterioration in goaltending performance post 30.

    https://hockey-graphs.com/2014/03/21/how-well-do-goalies-age-a-look-at-a-goalie-aging-curve/

    Keep in mind this is just one of many studies all saying the same thing.

    I pointed out things are slightly more complicated than Woodguy was allowing for but his fundamental argument isn’t wrong.

    It matters not a wit how many old goaltenders are playing in the NHL right now. The argument being made is the smart money bet is most of them aren’t as good as they were at 29. Not as a class, as individuals. They aren’t as good as their younger selves. And the deterioration in their performance will continue to worsen.

    Goaltending is partly experience based – it isn’t just athleticism. You would expect goaltenders to be older because they play the position where experience counts the most. They also tend to play less games than D and forwards and probably have less risk of cumulative injuries costing them their careers. But it certainly appears a goalies peak years coincide with the beginning of physical deterioration.

  133. Bulging Twine says:

    “I read the Craig Simpson comments the other day and honestly think the world has this backwards. This isn’t about Jesse Puljujarvi ‘learning to be a pro’ but it is about the Edmonton Oilers figuring out how to develop talent that isn’t merely plug-and-play. This is a test, sure as hell. The Oilers are the subject.”

    EXACTLY!! At some point they have to lose the arrogance and do everything possible to help the players develop!

  134. rickithebear says:

    Watched last 10 min of game.
    Forwards pressing low
    Off d we’re is Waldo in OZ.
    No forwards back to trap the NZ.
    But it does not matter cause Voach ask d to leave HD area and leave goalie by himself.
    Press the area of DZ were shots go in 5 times less.

    Oilers at even.
    Oilers DZ
    Oilers
    defend the 3.5% shooting area.
    Abandon the the 17.5% shooting area.
    Opposition
    Works perimeter cause they know oilers will defend it.
    Then pass puck to teammates open in the HD area.

    NZ
    Oilers
    Forwards are behind the play.
    No NZ trap from forwards.
    Dman cannot press blue line. Only one d in our system.
    Cause Tmac likes Off dmen who skate to Oz.

    OPposition
    Forwards role back to NZ after pocession loss
    Run NZ trap
    Both D press the blue
    Makes it hard for entry

    Oilers OZ
    Oilers
    Attack from perimeter
    Press the puck low (Eakoning)
    Fail to role to top of circle
    Fail to role to NZ to run trap

    Tmac is a F………. Idiot.

    PP
    4 players on perimeter
    1 player back to net.
    Brutal.
    —————————————
    JP
    Dmen establish def of HD area.
    Based on HD shots yielded by Dpair.
    They define the save% average goalies perform around.

    You want from your goalies
    consistent table hockey movement with the puck.
    Fast brain processing of puck Path identification that lessens reaction time.
    Athletic fast twitch arms and legs for accelerated movement to open shots.
    Explosive muscle development does not end until age 27-29 according to Soviet Sports Review.

    I would not expect young goalies to develop movement and identification without extensive gam experience.
    Explosive muscle development finishes well after Goalies developmental strengthaning
    18-20 post draft muscle development
    21-23 young adult mass and core phase1
    24 -26 adult lean mass and core Phase 2.

    Looking at age and results and going thier it is.
    Just Silly.
    Coaching is understanding the process of brain, muscle, mechanic developmental.

  135. Wilde says:

    rickithebear,

    Same.

    Except I disagree with taking the word of the Ruskis on physiological matters.

  136. Munny says:

    Gerta Rauss: -psychedelic furs love my way
    -modern english i melt with you
    -kajagoogo too shy
    -tommy tutone 867 5309
    -soft cell tainted love
    -i won’t even mention those seagull fellows

    *edit-all wonderful songs btw…well, maybe not the kajagoogo so much, but I do like the other songs

    I Ran, the full version with the long intro is outstanding. Agreed on Too Shy. I’d throw Animotion in there and The Human League.

    To fuck with their heads though, I’m going with Canadian one hit wonders (they don’t know about that tiny modification)

    Some easy ones… Echo Beach, Eyes of a Stranger, Indio’s song, and Alias along with Queen City Kids, maybe The Drivers or Ultravox or Maisonettes.

  137. jp says:

    VOR: Earlier tonight Woodguy pointed out that there is overwhelming evidence that goalies start to deteriorate at 30 and that the Oilers need to urgently find a goalie of the future in case Talbot’s performance falls off dramatically over the next few years. He also pointed out that there are physiological reasons this deterioration occurs.

    Here is one of more than a dozen studies all showing a startling deterioration in goaltending performance post 30.

    https://hockey-graphs.com/2014/03/21/how-well-do-goalies-age-a-look-at-a-goalie-aging-curve/

    Keep in mind this is just one of many studies all saying the same thing.

    I pointed out things are slightly more complicated than Woodguy was allowing for but his fundamental argument isn’t wrong.

    It matters not a wit how many old goaltenders are playing in the NHL right now. The argument being made is the smart money bet is most of them aren’t as good as they were at 29. Not as a class, as individuals. They aren’t as good as their younger selves. And the deterioration in their performance will continue to worsen.

    Thank you, and 100% agree the Oilers should try to find a goalie of the future. Talbot’s performance will drop at some point for sure.

    I guess I’ll take your word on the multiple studies showing serious regression, though I don’t find the one you cited very compelling (it only looked at goalies that played 20 yrs in the NHL!; a couple of weird variation years in there indicate a very small sample size [and the # of goalies included wasn’t mentioned]; a main conclusion was goalies over 35 fall off a cliff, when literally zero data points for goalies over age 35 were included!?; it sounds as though >age 35 seasons were removed because Dominik Hasek was too good and skewed the data to a better SV%). That’s not taking your word, is it?

    Anyway, I agree aging is bad (I’m certainly not a fan personally). And age isn’t kind to goalies overall. I remain uncertain whether age is worse on goalies compared to position players (and the study you mention seems to focus on truly elite (>20 year) goalies; elite F and D may well age differently from normal F+D). That wasn’t really the question though.

    Age related decline or not, there’s no question the Oilers should try to bring in a “goalie of the future”. I still think they should re-sign Talbot if he has a half decent (better than this year) year next season.

  138. Gerta Rauss says:

    Munny: To fuck with their heads though, I’m going with Canadian one hit wonders (they don’t know about that tiny modification)

    Well if it’s CanCon, I’d include the Kings This beat goes on/Switchin’ to glide

  139. --hudson-- says:

    Todd’s postgame. He sounded frustrated which reminds me I don’t think Rishaug asked any questions.
    – The team didn’t get comfortable with the lead, Todd was surprised Oilers got the lead in the first place.
    – Bad effort defensively and not enough communication between players.
    – Doesn’t like the train of thought they were due a bad game after 10 pretty good games, their not in a position to take nights off.

    Source video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_a9o93NJzk
    ————————————————–
    Q: …team is up three nothing, does your team just get comfortable?
    A: I thought we were fortunate to be up three nothing, not the fact that we scored the goals, the fact that they didn’t get any earlier than that. They were probably better than us early, and they were better than us all night, and they valued the defensive side, the checking side a lot more than the team wearing orange, and when you play a team of that caliber, that quality, and you don’t give each other what you need on the defensive side of the puck, you have no chance of winning, and it’s something we’ve got to solve here. I think we’re at 250 goals against right now and that’s never ever going to be a playoff number in any year no matter who we bring in, who we send out, how we make line combinations… it just isn’t and, you know, last year we got in at 212… we were looking to trim that off a little bit, and we’re at 250 right now. So, I’ve got some work to do and we’ve got to make some decisions in the locker room, whether it’s important or not.

    Q: You had a chance to reset after they tied it heading into the break there. What happened I guess in the second period?
    A: Well more of what we saw in the first. We didn’t overcome our deficiencies in the first, they just kept pushing, and they owned us.

    Q: Todd, the last few games that, maybe the last 10, you’ve been better defensively and then obviously tonight it just falls apart again. If you pinpoint what’s been lacking from your group overall in the D zone this year, really from start to finish compared to last?
    A: Well if we go the whole year, there’s a lot of things that that have gone right and wrong in the defensive zone… different phases, it’s been different positional players, a lot of the goals against we’ve given up were on the penalty kill earlier in the year, we fixed that somewhat. But, you know, tonight in particular, we just didn’t want to work there, we didn’t really want to do what we needed to do. The lack of communication makes you extremely slow and passive, it makes you look hesitant, and I didn’t think we talked a lot. But Bobrovsky, in the second period was in our zone, obviously closest to the bench, we could hear him, you know, talking and communicating, and I’m not saying that about Talb’s or LB, I’m saying about that, that about our group as a whole. It was just a real quiet night, you can’t defend that way, you have to be somebody’s eyes, you have to be somebody’s awareness, and let him know what’s going on, and we weren’t that tonight.

    Q: Their defense is very active, mobile and gets up. Did that catch you guys off-guard, was that part of the problem defensively?
    A: Well we knew that, you know, they’re the second highest scoring group of defenseman in the league. We knew that was coming, and we have some principles and rules that we stand by on rushes and sort outs, and again we’re delinquent in that area… so they’re gonna make you pay.

    Q: So you say you’ve given up 250, but were you due a game where you played so poorly defensively, you play poorly in the third period last game, but you were tired, where you just due one of these bad game in a month?
    A: No I don’t like that train of thought or that line of thinking, because last time I checked, we weren’t in a position ever to give ourselves a night off, or a casual night. We’re not there so we weren’t due for that, we were due for another good effort, and a strong effort. We have played some good hockey in the last 10 games, this is probably our poorest effort and, you know, we’ve gotta learn from it, and we’ve got to get back on that horse tomorrow, and we’re gonna have a good practice, and get ready to go because that’s not good enough.

  140. godot10 says:

    Newton:
    The media has been projecting that Todd will be back and staying stubborn on this point.After yet another pathetic effort on fan appreciation night he again waits til its too late to pull Talbot, doesn’t call a timeout (has he called one this year?) and rolls the lines on the PP like he’s completely out of ideas.I believe even the OBC and Katz will want blood and not just Woodcock et al.

    And he disowns the team at the start post game presser again. i.e. “the team wearing orange”…the coach takes no ownership.

  141. godot10 says:

    who:
    Looks like Columbus has a good one in Dubois. They wanted a 1C and it looks like they got one.
    Wonder who the Oilers would have picked if JP was gone. I’d like to think it would have been Dubois or Sergachev. Tkatchuk was the safer pick but I still think these other three guys have higher ceilings.
    Also Chychryn is looking good in his 2nd season with Arizona.
    Oh, and the Oilers suck in their own end.

    Team Dubois was right. Team Matty Douchebag was wrong.

  142. godot10 says:

    I liked how on the first goal against (I think it was the first goal against, there were so many), everyone was playing man-to-man and swarming, and Kris Russell decided to play zone.

    Caggiula -4 and pretty much deserving of it. The guy is a marginal NHL player. Bleeds goals against.

  143. Wilde says:

    godot10: Team Dubois was right.Team Matty Douchebag was wrong.

    Far as I can see the only difference between Dubois and Pulju is quality and quantity of icetime.

  144. Southern Oil says:

    Wilde: Far as I can see the only difference between Dubois and Pulju is quality and quantity of icetime.

    Really? Sometimes his decision making reminds me of Yakupov’s. I find myself a few times each game asking the same question – what is he doing?

  145. elgruntus says:

    Munny:
    Game Over.

    So 80s one hit wonders tomorrow night…Have to somehow go deep with my cuts, however contradictory that sounds.

    You want CanCon?

    Out on a Limb – Eye Eye
    Tokyo Rose – Boulevard
    All Talk – Rough Trade
    Another Man’s Gun – Ray Lyell and The Storm
    Round and Round – Frozen Ghost
    In Dim Light – Darkroom (Edmonton, represent!!)
    Janie, You’re Wrong – The Models (Edmonton, represent!!)
    You Really Rock Me – Nick Gilder
    Tonight, Tonight – Pretty Rough (Edmonton, represent!!)
    Julien – Alta Moda
    Nyet Nyet Soviet – BB Gabor
    Tin Soldier – Streetheart (their covers were very good …Under My Thumb?)
    Burton Cummings – so many to choose…..Own Way To Rock
    Fantasy – Aldo Nova
    On The Road to Rock – Kick Axe
    Paradise Skies – Max Webster

  146. Pescador says:

    elgruntus,

    Some of those One hit wonders have more then one hit.
    Also,
    Aldo Nova?
    How dare you,

  147. Pescador says:

    Newton:
    The media has been projecting that Todd will be back and staying stubborn on this point.After yet another pathetic effort on fan appreciation night he again waits til its too late to pull Talbot, doesn’t call a timeout (has he called one this year?) and rolls the lines on the PP like he’s completely out of ideas.I believe even the OBC and Katz will want blood and not just Woodcock et al.

    Woodcock?

  148. Professor Q says:

    Pescador: Woodcock?

    The Lesser Woodcroft Brother.

  149. VOR says:

    https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2013/9/5/4696042/theoretical-goaltending-aging-curve-Bernier-Reimer

    Here is a great article on goalie aging curves with far more data and details but the same conclusion.

    And by the way there are dissenting opinions but mostly they make theoretical arguments rather than offering new data and new analysis. The exception is work by James Brander which is sadly hidden behind a very expensive pay wall (scientific publishing must be extremely expensive). He suggests there is little drop off from 23 to 39. Unfortunately he didn’t allow for survivorship bias.

    Nobody denies that a few goalies have gone on and on at a high level. The claim is they are outliers and that they really skew the results.

    The meta result of all these studies is a typical goaltender arrives at 23, peaks at 26, holds steady to 30 and then begins the steady decline that ends their career. But at every point in that curve their are outliers.

  150. VOR says:

    jp: Thank you, and 100% agree the Oilers should try to find a goalie of the future. Talbot’s performance will drop at some point for sure.

    I guess I’ll take your word on the multiple studies showing serious regression, though I don’t find the one you cited very compelling (it only looked at goalies that played 20 yrs in the NHL!; a couple of weird variation years in there indicate a very small sample size [and the # of goalies included wasn’t mentioned]; a main conclusion was goalies over 35 fall off a cliff, when literally zero data points for goalies over age 35 were included!?; it sounds as though >age 35 seasons were removed because Dominik Hasek was too good and skewed the data to a better SV%). That’s not taking your word, is it?

    Anyway, I agree aging is bad (I’m certainly not a fan personally). And age isn’t kind to goalies overall. I remain uncertain whether age is worse on goalies compared to position players (and the study you mention seems to focus on truly elite (>20 year) goalies; elite F and D may well age differently from normal F+D). That wasn’t really the question though.

    Age related decline or not, there’s no question the Oilers should try to bring in a “goalie of the future”. I still think they should re-sign Talbot if he has a half decent (better than this year) year next season.

    The data is unequivocal. Aging is much kinder to goaltenders than other positional players. Goalies peak later and on average last longer. But it also takes them longer to master the position.

  151. Professor Q says:

    VOR,

    So perhaps Edmonton could find another (younger) goaltender to take over Talbot’s spot soon, with him backing up?

  152. VOR says:

    Professor Q:
    VOR,

    So perhaps Edmonton could find another (younger) goaltender to take over Talbot’s spot soon, with him backing up?

    I think they should have a 23 year old prospect ready to play 25 or 30 games the next four years and then 50+ with Talbot backing up.

  153. Munny says:

    elgruntus,

    Unfortunately a lot of those aren’t one hit wonders. Of the ones that are, Soviet and Darkroom nearly made the list. Another one I didn’t mention above that is close to making it is Trans X.

  154. GMB3 says:

    Wilde: Babyface-Nuge stole my girl, part 63

    I swear it has something to do with that. How could you be so dense to blame RNH for this teams problems? Guy loves Kris Russell at 4×4 too.

  155. GMB3 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – Fun fact: last year Ebs had 14 goals to this point.Caggs is up to 13…

    – IF Caggs finishes like Ebs: gets a hatty and 4 goals in his last 2 games, and pots another 2 goals, he ends up with 19 goals, in less games, with weaker linemates than Ebs last year…

    Lol

  156. Newton says:

    Pescador,

    play on Woodcroft – cmon don’t you remember? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VssYzNUWdM If Woodcroft had one strand of the DNA of Woodcock we may have a middling PP perhaps like Blue Ice…

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