G79 2017-18: Oilers at Flames

The first time the Oilers and the Calgary Flames met in a regular season game was October 22, 1980 at Northlands Coliseum. Dave Semenko scored the first goal in the rivalry, fitting based on the complete lunacy that would follow. I can’t tell you all the reasons why beating the Flames on HNIC means so much, only that it does. Every damned time.

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DAZED AND CONFUSED, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • March 2016: 7-8-0, goal differential -3 (14 points)
  • March 2017: 10-2-1, goal differential +21 (21 points)
  • March 2018: 7-6-2, goal differential +2 (16 points)
  • 2016 and 2017 schedules complete

Game 16 this month gives the Oilers a chance to end March with 18 points. That would represent a large portion of the yearly point total (24 percent if Edmonton wins tonight) in one 31-day span. One area the organization let slip through their fingers this month: Impacting the overall goal differential. Opportunity missed.

AFTER 78, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers 15-16: 30-41-7, goal differential -47 (67 points)
  • Oilers 16-17: 44-25-9, goal differential +40 (97 points)
  • Oilers 17-18: 34-38-6, goal differential -30 (74 points)
  • March 28, 2016: Anaheim 2, Edmonton 1 (Source)
  • April 4, 2017: Los Angeles 6, Edmonton 4 (Source)

Edmonton will play Minnesota, Vegas and Vancouver in April to close out the schedule, making Calgary the easiest opponent on the schedule. Doesn’t mean the Oilers win tonight, but the roster quality favors the northern town. Perhaps Edmonton decides to make yet another goalie look like Georges Vezina.

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM MARCH

  • At home to: Nashville, NY Rangers, Arizona, NY Islanders, Minnesota (Expected 2-3-0) (Actual 3-2-0)
  • On the road to: Calgary (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • At home to: San Jose (Expected 0-0-1) (Actual 0-0-1)
  • On the road to: Florida, Tampa Bay, Carolina, Ottawa (Expected 1-2-1) (Actual 3-1-0)
  • At home to: Los Angeles, Anaheim, Columbus (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 1-1-1)
  • On the road to: Vancouver, Calgary (Expected 1-0-1) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • Overall expected result: 6-7-3, 15 points in 16 games
  • Current results: 7-6-2, 16 points in 15 games

Turns out I was pretty close on the estimate, although this month had some ups and downs. A win tonight gives Edmonton an 8-6-2 record and 18 points. You’d have to call that a success, as over 82 games it represents 41-31-10,  92 points, and somewhere close to a playoff spot.

Skinner remains unsigned and could play another season in the WHL (he turns 20 in November). Skinner had an .897 save percentage in Lethbridge (31 games) before the trade to Swift Current. In the final 25 games of the season, he posted a .914 SP. So far in these playoffs (5 games), he is running a .940 SP. Impressive season.

MCDAVID FACTS, NO. 97

So far this NHL season, the Oilers have outscored opponents (5×5) 79-56 while Connor McDavid is on the ice (1257 minutes, 49 seconds). That’s a 58.52 percent goal share. When McDavid is off the ice? 2,536 minutes, 14 seconds of pure misery. The goal differential without McDavid on the ice (79-111, 41.58 goal share) leaves the overall number shy  (158-167, 48.62). This is the tale of two teams: Stanley Cup contender versus AHL level.

Beyond ‘God’s Flashlight’ (5×5 per 60 scoring) is Primary Points per 60. Basically, the stat deletes second assists, a sticky wicket because some second assists have more impact than first assists due to the degree of difficulty. That said, it does inform us about difference makers as opposed to lucky buggers and this year Jesse Puljujarvi shines in this stat. (Corsica)

  • No. 5: Connor McDavid 2.36
  • No. 10: Ty Rattie 2.16
  • No. 18: Leon Draisaitl 2.03
  • No. 125: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 1.39
  • No. 171: Jesse Puljujarvi 1.26
  • No. 217: Ryan Strome 1.16
  • No. 222: Anton Slepyshev 1.14
  • No. 236: Pontus Aberg 1.11
  • No. 259: Drake Caggiula 1.07
  • No. 274: Jujhar Khaira 1.04

Lots to talk about here. McDavid’s season is amazing, especially considering the players ahead of him (MacKinnon, Matthews, Cirelli, Marchand) are running with superior linemates. Ty Rattie towers over Pontus Aberg, but Aberg’s Nashville minutes are included here, so disregard the gap between the two men as stated here.

Leon Draisaitl is the right choice for No. 2 center over Nuge for several reasons, including the primary points number. We weren’t certain LD could drive his own line before but we now have confirmation. The downside? When Draisaitl has defensive lapses (as he did the other night on the GWG) he will be the target of fans. This was the case with Nuge in that role and Horcoff before him. Oilers fans, who I value and defend, have never been able to understand that nuance. When a player is asked to play that role, especially with lesser linemates, the degree of difficulty is enormous. When your center makes a mistake, please understand it happens to everyone playing the position. Seriously. The downbeat verbal on Leon this season makes Oilers fans look silly. He’s a very good NHL player transitioning into a very difficult role. Be patient. He’s ideally suited to the role.

Jesse Puljujarvi scores well in this ranking (there are 170 forwards who are having more success, making JP a lower second-line winger due to 31 teams times 6 players in the top six=186 players) and that’s a great spot to be at age 19. I will tell you that in my opinion Puljujarvi has work to do in order to earn more trust from the coach (and probably teammates) but Dustin Nielson touched on an important item above. Milan Lucic (who is not listed above) has been a drag on offense all year and JP has had that as a Denver boot much of the season.

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  1. OilClog says:

    godot10: Chiarelli already changed all the players once.Will changing them all again make any difference with this coach.

    They have to wear blue or it’s all fucked.

  2. Munny says:

    I can see this thread is not going to be about watching the game.

    Gonna saunter down to the pub.

    Have a good night, LT.

  3. Pescador says:

    HT Joe: I would argue that this is exactly what Chia needs to be watching.

    Chia – PLEASE either get a better backup this offseason, or get a coach who will play our existing backup more games!!

    I would Get both

  4. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Great period to watch live. Idiotic to play 97 and Draisaitl together. Hard to watch when they aren’t on and they defer to each other when they’re on.

    I miss Nuge

  5. Wayne Kenov says:

    Spencer Foo, the man who was supposed to save RW last spring.

  6. OriginalPouzar says:

    OilClog: He’s played 632 minutes with Leon or Nuge or Both.

    Which is 9 mins more.

    Math

    Really – that’s you response? Not manning up to acknowledge that total inaccuracy of the following statement you made – either totally made up or just a lie:

    “CMD has had Leon or Nuge with him nearly every shift”.

  7. Professor Q says:

    OilClog: They have to wear blue or it’s all fucked.

    Their only wins in the playoffs since 2006 came in orange.

  8. OilClog says:

    Hard to know if the Oilers have a quality back up or not when all they know is how to keep the stool not connected to the bench warm.

    This guy played LB on back to backs on the road during Talbs injury.

  9. Lowetide says:

    After One

    3-1 Calgary
    Shots: Edmonton 9-7
    Corsi for 5×5: 12-9 Calgary

    Disappointing effort by Edmonton. Fabulous for the lottery.

  10. HT Joe says:

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    As a person in my 30s who never really moved past the nutritional mentality of a 20-something (“eat everything – it’s all good”), I really appreciate this. Thank you!!

    VOR: https://jissn.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12970-018-0216-0

    Also, as a person with a moderate but distinct reliance on coffee, I am especially appreciative of an article that supports caffeine intake while training. 🙂

    The Article Said:
    “The meta-analyses showed significant ergogenic effects of caffeine ingestion on maximal muscle strength of upper body and muscle power. Future studies should more rigorously control the effectiveness of blinding.”

    In my 20s, I tried to develop a strong academic background (working in 4 completely different R&D fields over a 6 year stretch), and now find myself in more of a management role (also rewarding, but for completely different reasons). Reading something like this brings me back to such a warm positive place – you have no idea how happy this makes me.

    Thank you!!

  11. VOR says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Vor knows a thing or two about that.

    I think that all pro athletes should have coaching to help in their deficient areas, coaches that specialize in that area.

    A very few can do it on their own. Connor left last season not trusting his shot and now has one of the best releases in the league, which is why he’s on a worse team with better personal numbers.

    You need to create a unique training program for each athlete. It isn’t about training harder. It is about training smarter.

  12. OilClog says:

    OriginalPouzar: Really – that’s you response?Not manning up to acknowledge that total inaccuracy of the following statement you made – either totally made up or just a lie:

    “CMD has had Leon or Nuge with him nearly every shift”.

    Majority of his minutes have been played with those two men in some sort of fashion.

    Not sure what your anger is about, sorry I don’t agree that a 2nd pairing RHD isn’t the most needed piece of the puzzle.

    Please give Todd my best.

  13. godot10 says:

    Lowetide:
    After One

    3-1 Calgary
    Shots: Edmonton 9-7
    Corsi for 5×5: 12-9 Calgary

    Disappointing effort by Edmonton. Fabulous for the lottery.

    McLellan can’t even beat Calgary anymore.

  14. OilClog says:

    Professor Q: Their only wins in the playoffs since 2006 came in orange.

    And they did it with 2 headcoaches against them at the same time! Impressive

  15. OilClog says:

    godot10: McLellan can’t even beat Calgary anymore.

    He never did, the team in Orange did.

  16. Professor Q says:

    HT Joe,

    Just don’t take it too much. My cousin overdosed on caffeine (bodybuilder) and had to stay off of it for 1.5 years.

    Still has heart issues at times now, however.

  17. JimmyV1965 says:

    On the bright side, this is a good reminder about the need for a quality backup next year.

  18. OriginalPouzar says:

    OilClog: Majority of his minutes have been played with those two men in some sort of fashion.

    Not sure what your anger is about, sorry I don’t agree that a 2nd pairing RHD isn’t the most needed piece of the puzzle.

    Please give Todd my best.

    Yes, about half his minutes a far cry from your statement that he’s played with one of Nuge or Drail nearly every shift.

    Its OK to admit that the statement is wrong.

  19. StixMalone says:

    Lowetide: Disappointing effort by Edmonton. Fabulous for the lottery.

    I guess that’s the silver lining…..

  20. OilClog says:

    OriginalPouzar: Yes, about half his minutes a far cry from your statement that he’s played with one of Nuge or Drail nearly every shift.

    Its OK to admit that the statement is wrong.

    Meh, it’s not. If it’s the majority.

    It’s ok to change your pants if they’re full of piss and vinegar. It’s the Holy Week, reflect and grow.

  21. Wilde says:

    Yamamoto has a point, game’s tied at 2.

  22. jp says:

    Seriously remarkable Gaudreau gets that call but not McDavid. Damn.

  23. OriginalPouzar says:

    OilClog: Meh, it’s not. If it’s the majority.

    It’s ok to change your pants if they’re full of piss and vinegar. It’s the Holy Week, reflect and grow.

    So “nearly every shift” is the same as half?

    You are going to fall on that sword as opposed to admitting that you made a mistake with your statement?

  24. Wilde says:

    Wilde,

    Tied at 3, sorry

  25. OilClog says:

    Brutal. Never want to see that happen

  26. OilClog says:

    OriginalPouzar: So “nearly every shift” is the same as half?

    You are going to fall on that sword as opposed to admitting that you made a mistake with your statement?

    I carry a war hammer, swords are for the fancies.

    When he’s played the majority of his time with one of those two players, I will make such a statement.

    Please put the gun down statement police,

  27. Lowetide says:

    Ostap Safin scores his first pro goal.

  28. OriginalPouzar says:

    OilClog: I carry a war hammer, swords are for the fancies.

    When he’s played the majority of his time with one of those two players, I will make such a statement.

    Please put the gun down statement police,

    The statement is wrong – the facts show that its wrong. To say “he’s played nearly every shift with Nuge or McDavid” – that is factually incorrect. Apx 600 minutes (or 600 shifts, likely more).

    Its stunning that you aren’t able to admit a simple error.

  29. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    OriginalPouzar: The statement is wrong – the facts show that its wrong.To say “he’s played nearly every shift with Nuge or McDavid” – that is factually incorrect. Apx 600 minutes (or 600 shifts, likely more).

    Its stunning that you aren’t able to admit a simple error.

    Alternative facts.

  30. Lowetide says:

    Cammalleri scored.

  31. Wayne Kenov says:

    VOR: You need to create a unique training program for each athlete. It isn’t about training harder. It is about training smarter.

    *Unless you aren’t training that hard, then the former is probably the most important.

  32. Material pocession says:

    Lowetide:
    Cammalleri scored.

    He’s had a nice game tonight. Good hockey sense. Too bad his boots are failing.

  33. digger50 says:

    Lowetide:
    Cammalleri scored.

    Fourth line playing excellent

  34. digger50 says:

    Lucic having some good shifts as well

  35. Wilde says:

    Spokane game going to OT.

  36. HT Joe says:

    OilClog: He never did, the team in Orange did.

    Ha, beat me to it.

  37. Material pocession says:

    OriginalPouzar: The statement is wrong – the facts show that its wrong.To say “he’s played nearly every shift with Nuge or McDavid” – that is factually incorrect. Apx 600 minutes (or 600 shifts, likely more).

    Its stunning that you aren’t able to admit a simple error.

    We live in a world where people make false statements on a regular basis and there is no accountability (unless you know their true identity and can shame them on social media). You’re better off ignoring people like that.

  38. HT Joe says:

    Professor Q:
    HT Joe,
    Just don’t take it too much. My cousin overdosed on caffeine (bodybuilder) and had to stay off of it for 1.5 years.

    Still has heart issues at times now, however.

    Thanks for that! TBH, I typically have just 1 cup of coffee a day… but if I don’t have that cup, I’m not going to have a good day.

  39. Wilde says:

    And now my WHL live feed is messed up. I’ll check the Chiefs twitter for updates on the game

  40. Pescador says:

    Russell Russell Russell
    Slow head shake

  41. Ben says:

    Really fascinating profile on Lucic here, good insight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1jE1s-u0Yo

  42. Zelepukin says:

    Pescador:
    Russell Russell Russell
    Slow head shake

    Horrific decisions with the puck. Constantly.

  43. GMB3 says:

    Safin with his first goal. LT have you watched or heard anything about Safin and Vesels play down in the bake?

  44. Lowetide says:

    Lowetide:
    After One

    3-1 Calgary
    Shots: Edmonton 9-7
    Corsi for 5×5: 12-9 Calgary

    After Two

    3-2 Calgary (1-0 EDM in the second)
    Shots: 21-12 Edmonton (12-5 Edmonton in the second)
    Corsi for 5×5: 33-19 Edmonton (24-7 Edmonton in the second)

    Much better period but no certainly about the final outcome. Edmonton is 3-1-0 in the series so far this season, Calgary 1-2-1.

  45. Lowetide says:

    GMB3:
    Safin with his first goal. LT have you watched or heard anything about Safin and Vesels play down in the bake?

    No, I’ll try to get their pbp man on next week.

  46. VOR says:

    Wayne Kenov: *Unless you aren’t training that hard, then the former is probably the most important.

    Despite what the public believes the vast majority of professional athletes train extremely hard. Over use injuries are very common. They train on a razor’s edge.

  47. Zelepukin says:

    GMB3:
    Safin with his first goal. LT have you watched or heard anything about Safin and Vesels play down in the bake?

    It was a rocket from just inside the blue, no screen too.

  48. GMB3 says:

    Lowetide: No, I’ll try to get their pbp man on next week.

    Much appreciated!

  49. Material pocession says:

    Mike Smith not wise to pick a fight with Lucic. Those hands are good for something.

  50. LMHF#1 says:

    Where’s the bench psycho when you need him?

    Someone should run Smith. What a moron…

  51. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    Special teams have ruined the oilers this year.

  52. Wayne Kenov says:

    VOR: Despite what the public believes the vast majority of professional athletes train extremely hard. Over use injuries are very common. They train on a razor’s edge.

    I don’t care what you say, David Ortiz has more to give.

  53. Material pocession says:

    Réal Goudenyéu:
    Special teams have ruined the oilers this year.

    Yep. That should cost the coaching staff their jobs. League average special teams and they are right there — even with this roster.

  54. Material pocession says:

    Glass just took a pummeling for Mike Smith.

  55. Nailer Yakumoto says:

    Where was Scary Lucic for the last 6 months?

  56. Pretendergast says:

    andersson leads with face, jj leaves with pim

  57. Confused says:

    Hopefully, Glass get a contract after that enough

  58. digger50 says:

    Lucic- wow

    Enjoy him for what he does well

  59. GMB3 says:

    digger50:
    Lucic- wow

    Enjoy him for what he does well

    Too bad he hasn’t done that since the middle of November so there is no point saying “enjoy him for what he does well” because it never happens and there is nothing to enjoy about the way he plays.

  60. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    GMB3: Too bad he hasn’t done that since the middle of November so there is no point saying “enjoy him for what he does well” because it never happens and there is nothing to enjoy about the way he plays.

    Mid November you say? You mean at exactly the same time many started calling for the coach to be fired.

    Interesting.

  61. StixMalone says:

    0-5 powerplay. Alrighty then…..

  62. digger50 says:

    Johnny meet Larson

  63. Pretendergast says:

    flames playing hard, were not, callin it a night

  64. digger50 says:

    GMB3: Too bad he hasn’t done that since the middle of November so there is no point saying “enjoy him for what he does well” because it never happens and there is nothing to enjoy about the way he plays.

    Come on

    That was a hell of a bout and you still have to be sour?

  65. digger50 says:

    Did Connor just take a slap shot at Hamilton?

  66. Gerta Rauss says:

    They are going to have to run the table now to get to 80 points

  67. Gret99zky says:

    At least we won the Corsi. That’s what matters.

  68. GMB3 says:

    digger50: Come on

    That was a hell of a bout and you still have to be sour?

    His last fight was November 15th? He’s scored twice in his last 42 games and his first fight in months. Ya I’m thrilled with how he’s played this year… full value for his contract.

  69. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    The concern for next year is not Connors winger or an RHD it’s who’s in net.

  70. GMB3 says:

    Réal Goudenyéu: Mid November you say? You mean at exactly the same time many started calling for the coach to be fired.

    Interesting.

    What does people wanting the coach to be fired have to do with Lucic fighting??? Please elaborate

  71. digger50 says:

    GMB3: His last fight was November 15th? He’s scored twice in his last 42 games and his first fight in months. Ya I’m thrilled with how he’s played this year… full value for his contract.

    Yeah, I get it. Rag on Milan

    We get it

    That’s the point, cut him a break. Enjoy when you can. You can get back on the rag tomorrow

  72. Harpers Hair says:

    Lucic’s cheap shots on a goalie are hardly praiseworthy. I am more impressed with Glass stepping up a couple of weight classes to defend a vulnerable team mate.

  73. Wilde says:

    Yamamoto won the Chiefs-WHawks game in overtime, by the way.

  74. GMB3 says:

    digger50: Yeah, I get it. Rag on Milan

    We get it

    That’s the point, cut him a break. Enjoy when you can. You can get back on the rag tomorrow

    Right and I bet you think Eric Gryba should still be in the lineup. Do you ever even try and breathe from your nose?

    How many turnovers did he have tonight? Or do I have to enjoy those too

  75. JimmyV1965 says:

    Harpers Hair:
    Lucic’s cheap shots on a goalie are hardly praiseworthy. I am more impressed with Glass stepping up a couple of weight classes to defend a vulnerable team mate.

    I wouldn’t call Smith a vulnerable teanmate. He’s not exactly an angel out there.

  76. GMB3 says:

    Harpers Hair:
    Lucic’s cheap shots on a goalie are hardly praiseworthy. I am more impressed with Glass stepping up a couple of weight classes to defend a vulnerable team mate.

    No shit. Does the Calgary MSM preach about Glass sitting at the head of the table?

  77. Wilde says:

    https://twitter.com/spokanechiefs/status/980294334489665536

    Yamamoto OT winner, first goal of the series, which is now 3-2 Winterhawks.

  78. Gret99zky says:

    Lowetide: Edmonton will play Minnesota, Vegas and Vancouver in April to close out the schedule, making Calgary the easiest opponent on the schedule. Doesn’t mean the Oilers win tonight, but the roster quality favors the northern town.

    Yup.

    Le sigh.

  79. digger50 says:

    GMB3: Right and I bet you think Eric Gryba should still be in the lineup. Do you ever even try and breathe from your nose?

    How many turnovers did he have tonight? Or do I have to enjoy those too

    Man, your hate runs deep

    Nobody said you “had” to enjoy anything. Nobody is debating his contract or disappointing season. Nobody is talking about Gryba. Giveaways were not mentioned.

    Milan had a good bout.

    Don’t enjoy it if you don’t want to. You got five more years of complaining to do.

    Carry on

  80. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    GMB3,

    No but earlier this season they did praise Treliving for building what was called the best dcore in the league outside of Nashville

    Now Cowtown is totally screwed for the next decade and has 3 boat anchor contracts on D alone and their fan base is zeroing in on Hamilton as the problem child.

    And then a team of actuall castaways clinched the Pacific while we allduscuss how if given the chance we could easily outsmart the fools running the Oilers.

    Such a fun, weird season

    Oh well the Masters is next weekend and baseball is in full swing.

    I’ll tune back in once they trade Draisaitl for Cody Ceci hehe

  81. Wilde says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!:
    GMB3,

    Now Cowtown is totally screwed for the next decade and has 3 boat anchor contracts on D alone and their fan base is zeroing in on Hamilton as the problem child.

    Who are the 3 boat anchors?

  82. Wilde says:

    Story of this game is the line with no natural centre slicing through the bottom of the Calgary lineup, showing how vulnerable they would have been to a deployment of Drai and Connor apart.

  83. who says:

    Actually I thought the Oilers had a really good game tonight. Played well and yet managed to maintain their draft position. Other than Macdavid getting shut out it was a perfect result.
    The Oilers lost because their goalie sucked and the Flames goalie played well. And because Mcdavid and Draisatll refused to shoot the puck on ANY of their 2 on 1’s.
    Liked a lot of Oilers tonight. Rattie, Slepeshev, Kharia, Kassian and Cammaleri all had good games. I also thought Sekera was moving a lot better tonight.
    I think it would be a good idea to sign Cammaleri to another 1 year deal. He seems to improve any line you put him on. He may have lost a step but he is still a smart, skilled player.
    It was also nice to see Lucic doing Lucic things tonight. I don’t need to see him fight every night but I would like to see him get emotionally involved in more games. I also thought it was pretty classy of him to see if Glass wanted to continue halfway through the fight. He knew he tagged him good.

  84. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Harpers Hair:
    Lucic’s cheap shots on a goalie are hardly praiseworthy. I am more impressed with Glass stepping up a couple of weight classes to defend a vulnerable team mate.

    Perhaps you should watch a little closer. Brave brave Sr. Giordano cross checks Lucic and runs away, Milan gives him a nice slash on the leg to let him know he’s not gettiing away with it, Smith conjuring his namesake Billy hacks Lucic.

    Lucic as he always does allows Smith an out and he doesn’t take it, has another poke and gets less than he asked for as the linesman saves his butt. Smith should apologize to Glass for his anger management issues that cost Glass a few stitches. Giordano should too for his chicken shit act he’s fond of.

    I haven’t seen Lucic start any cheap shots as an Oiler. He tries to hit clean. Class act for a ruffian.

  85. Munny says:

    who:
    Actually I thought the Oilers had a really good game tonight. Played well and yet managed to maintain their draft position. Other than Macdavid getting shut out it was a perfect result.
    The Oilers lost because their goalie sucked and the Flames goalie played well. And because Mcdavid and Draisatll refused to shoot the puck on ANY of their 2 on 1’s.
    Liked a lot of Oilers tonight. Rattie, Slepeshev, Kharia, Kassian and Cammaleri all had good games. I also thought Sekera was moving a lot better tonight.
    I think it would be a good idea to sign Cammaleri to another 1 year deal. He seems to improve any line you put him on. He may have lost a step but he is still a smart, skilled player.
    It was also nice to see Lucic doing Lucic things tonight. I don’t need to see him fight every night but I would like to see him get emotionally involved in more games. I also thought it was pretty classy of him to see if Glass wanted to continue halfway through the fight. He knew he tagged him good.

    I thought there was some good hard work from the lunch pail crew too.

    I thought the last two periods were played better than the first.

    Goaltending lost the game again.

    Haven’t checked the Corgis.

    I’m going by eye, so, y’know… grain of salt.

  86. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Wayne Kenov: Your misunderstanding. McDavid is evidence Crosby wasn’t generational, not that only one is. Gretz and Lemieux overlap, but if they never existed, does Dionne become generational? I think Crosby is in the Jagr, Mess tier, a step behind.

    I agree Crosby isn’t in the same league as Lemieux, and neither are in Gretzky’s. Connor hasn’t yet put himself with Lemieux but he might.

  87. GMB3 says:

    digger50: Man, your hate runs deep

    Nobody said you “had” to enjoy anything. Nobody is debating his contract or disappointing season. Nobody is talking about Gryba. Giveaways were not mentioned.

    Milan had a good bout.

    Don’t enjoy it if you don’t want to. You got five more years of complaining to do.

    Carry on

    I would say bewildered is a better choice of word.

    I’d rather complain for 5 years than be an idiot for my entire life. Don’t hurt your hands banging on the glass 😉

  88. GMB3 says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Perhaps you should watch a little closer. Brave brave Sr. Giordano cross checks Lucic and runs away, Milan gives him a nice slash on the leg to let him know he’s not gettiing away with it, Smith conjuring his namesake Billy hacks Lucic.

    Lucic as he always does allows Smith an out and he doesn’t take it, has another poke and gets less than he asked for as the linesman saves his butt. Smith should apologize to Glass for his anger management issues that cost Glass a few stitches. Giordano should too for his chicken shit act he’s fond of.

    I haven’t seen Lucic start any cheap shots as an Oiler. He tries to hit clean. Class act for a ruffian.

    Cross check in front of the net is more of a hockey play than a chicken shit slash in the back of the legs. That’s a cheap shot. Every player in front of the net takes a couple cross checks. Lucic was frustrated with his shit performance and retaliated. He had been running around looking for the big hit the shift prior.

    Every coach ever shits on his players that get sucked into retaliating. Not sure why you are praising saint milan.

    You would think he would have a positive penalty differential if he was such a clean player.

  89. JimmyV1965 says:

    GMB3: Cross check in front of the net is more of a hockey play than a chicken shit slash in the back of the legs. That’s a cheap shot. Every player in front of the net takes a couple cross checks. Lucic was frustrated with his shit performance and retaliated. He had been running around looking for the big hit the shift prior.

    Every coach ever shits on his players that get sucked into retaliating. Not sure why you are praising saint milan.

    You would think he would have a positive penalty differential if he was such a clean player.

    Did you watch the game? Smith slashed Lucic across the back of his legs. Lucic didn’t flinch and he didn’t react. Then Smith sort of pushed him, kinda punched his head. That’s when he went at it. Gotta love Oil fans. The guy gets shit on because he hasn’t had a fight in 40 games. Then he has a fight and you’re right there to shit on him some more. WooHoo.

  90. GMB3 says:

    JimmyV1965: Did you watch the game? Smith slashed Lucic across the back of his legs. Lucic didn’t flinch and he didn’t react. Then Smith sort of pushed him, kinda punched his head. That’s when he went at it. Gotta love Oil fans. The guy gets shit on because he hasn’t had a fight in 40 games. Then he has a fight and you’re right there to shit on him some more. WooHoo.

    Did you even watch the game? Or read the post I replied too? He slashed Giordano before hand. That was what I was responding too

    Gotta love Oil fans, lauding a player who took a retaliatory penalty to negate a powerplay in a game we are down by one and ended up losing by one. The same fans apparently can’t read either.

    Are you even aware he took a penalty against Giordano for the slash?

    I honestly can’t believe people value this shit. Lucic took a shitty retaliatory penalty yet he gets heaps of praise because he scrapped afterwards. The same fan base that ran Benoit Poulioit out of town… but if ur certified heavy hockey the mouth breathers have ur back no matter what.

  91. deardylan says:

    OP and Oilclog

    Fun to read you two go at it. No one backing down. No one flinching.

    I also love being right and the smartest guy in the room especially when arguing with my wife. I end up being so right and still I end up wrong in my wife debit-credit books.

    Reminds me of the quote “Being right is overrated even a stopped clock is right twice a day”

    Does kindness trump being right? There is a great book for executives called “What Got You Here, Won’t Get You There” by Malcolm Goldsmith which I use in my own coaching practice and on myself.

    The need to be right is right in there. I am right or being kind? Am I right writing this?

    In the next post lets break a few of these and see which blogger uses these habits! (just jokin’)

    I just broke a few of them writing this post especially #2, #3, #4 and #19.

    Here are the 20 habits holding back the smartest executives in the room. from review of this great book

    https://www.thesimpledollar.com/review-what-got-you-here-wont-get-you-there/

    1. Winning too much: The need to win at all costs and in all situations – when it matters, when it doesn’t, and when it’s totally beside the point.

    2. Adding too much value: The overwhelming desire to add our two cents to every discussion.

    3. Passing judgment: The need to rate others and impose our standards on them

    4. Making destructive comments: The needless sarcasms and cutting remarks that we think make us sound sharp and witty.

    5. Starting with “No,” “But,” or “However”: The overuse of these negative qualifiers which secretly say to everyone, “I’m right. You’re wrong.”

    6. Telling the world how smart we are: The need to show people we’re smarter than they think we are.

    7. Speaking when angry: Using emotional volatility as a management tool.

    8. Negativity, or “Let me explain why that won’t work”: The need to share our negative thoughts even when we weren’t asked.

    9. Withholding information: The refusal to share information in order to maintain an advantage over others.

    10. Failing to give proper recognition: The inability to praise and reward.

    11. Claiming credit that we don’t deserve: The most annoying way to overestimate our contribution to any success.

    12. Making excuses: The need to reposition our annoying behavior as a permanent fixture so people excuse us for it.

    13. Clinging to the past: The need to deflect blame away from ourselves and onto events and people from our past; a subset of blaming everyone else.

    14. Playing favorites: Failing to see that we are treating someone unfairly.

    15. Refusing to express regret: The inability to take responsibility for our actions, admit when we’re wrong, or recognize how our actions affect others.

    16. Not listening: The most passive-aggressive form of disrespect for colleagues.

    17. Failing to express gratitude: The most basic form of bad manners.

    18. Punishing the messenger: The misguided need to attack the innocent who are usually trying to help us.

    19. Passing the buck: The need to blame everyone but ourselves.

    20. An excessive need to be “me”: Exalting our faults as virtues simply because they’re who we are.

    PP or PowerHandicap?

    Did anyone notice that TM looked a bit worried tonight. Powerplay 31st in league–is that a mistype. We have Dr.Drai super passer and can score, Nuge can score, and McD out there as an Art Ross. Cannot believe it. Watching first period we played better shorthanded than on powerplay. We should call it a powerHandicap.

    This Defeat Brought to You by McDavid and Talbot
    Oilers do not surprise me anymore because they confound all expectations. Felt like it should be easy win tonight and we lost. McDavid could have scored a hattrick easily if he felt selfish and continued shooting. So it would have been easy win if McDavid didn’t defer to Kassian or others. McDavid is a gamechanger as we win and lose on his shifts. If McD doesn’t score or Talbot doesn’t stop = Can 4th Line Really Make Us Win?

    Next year please aim for Rocket Richard McD…and we can worry less about Talbots play.

    Coffee is Healthy? Hmmm…

    Saw a coffee discussion in this group.

    Isn’t California putting a warning on coffee for its “Acrylamide” levels. When I looked it up was surprised it was higher in light brews and instant coffee kick. Funny thing is the levels in fries and chips are off the charts in Acrylamide . Won’t be feeding those to the young kids anymore. Will keep drinking coffee–maybe dark brews and green tea too as the levels seem low. You guys are research nuts— please let me know what you find on your dig on health inside of us too!

    https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer-causes/acrylamide.html

    ZADA LINE
    Tankathon– Oilers ended up with Zadina with the mock draft. Zadina – McDavid. The ZaDa Line!

    PS. Bob Dylan made a coffee playlist a few years ago on his radio show… enjoy and make sure you check out which brand is healthiest for you.

    http://www.themetimeradio.com/episode-5-coffee/

  92. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Georges,

    – Georges: I was surprised at your stats yesterday so I looked them up

    – You have made some good points about Coach. I think it’s a mistake though to take 2 years stats and bulk them into one

    – Last year, our PP was elite: 22.9%. Pitts and Washington 23.1%: we were about the best

    – Our PK was average: and at 80.7% same as Detroit, SJ and Nashville

    – Sure Coach has to own this year’s poor results, but by adding good years to really bad ones it hides the fact that last year our special teams were fairly strong.

    – Last year our 5×5 sv% of .927 was 7th, this year its .918.

    – So last year’s special teams, that were elite were luck, and this year a better reflection?

    – I sadly have to watch a lot of the Leafs (or at least hear and read about it). Everyone points to how well they are and while I applaud their non-Leaf alumni management, and like they have execs from other other teams they have a lot of smart guys. Our organization is so mickey mouse compared to how they built their management IMO: perhaps a reflection that they are run by a professional group, where the culture of management is entrenched

    – But our team is way better than theirs, save their goalie who is amazing (this year) and a crazy PDO of 1019 – our PDO of .994 has at least come back from the abiss.

    – So while George may be right, and Coach isn’t taking us to the promise land, and he probably gets dusted: there are lot of factors: non-coaching division this year IMO.

  93. Old Timer says:

    We constantly here that Nurse has improved his game this year and, to a degree, he has.

    What he needs to do now is realize that his point shot is not world class and won’t beat any starter in the NHL.

    He has never learned that a shot from the point with no traffic in front of the goalie is basically a turnover.

    I am amazed that the Oilers coaching staff has not worked with Nurse on this. It kills O zone time and gives a weary opponent time to get fresh troops on the ice. Poor decision making

  94. frjohnk says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: But our team is way better than theirs

    Oilers have a better team than the Leafs?

    Leafs have 101 points and are in 6th place.
    Oilers have 74 points and are in 24th place.

    They have 9 players with 40 points or more. Hyman who has 38 points is 10th highest.
    We have 3 player with 40 points or more. Lucic at 34 points is 4th highest.

    Their defense is better but if the Oilers D were healthy it would not be so wide a margin.

    They have way more depth, better prospects, better management.

    Only thing the Oilers have over the Leafs, is that the Oilers number 1 pick is clearly better than the Leafs number 1 pick.

  95. Scungilli Slushy says:

    GMB3: Cross check in front of the net is more of a hockey play than a chicken shit slash in the back of the legs. That’s a cheap shot. Every player in front of the net takes a couple cross checks. Lucic was frustrated with his shit performance and retaliated. He had been running around looking for the big hit the shift prior.

    Every coach ever shits on his players that get sucked into retaliating. Not sure why you are praising saint milan.

    You would think he would have a positive penalty differential if he was such a clean player.

    Hmm. Known hacks Giordano and Smith, hack a power forward that is absolutely going to retaliate, and some Oilers fans are on the Flame’s side?? Nice.

    There is no question Giordano started it all, Smith didn’t stop hacking after Lucic gave him the chance.

    What did the two geniuses think was going to happen after provoking him, because he didn’t go after Smith until the 4th hack between the 2 of them.

    By the way, crosschecking is one of the dirtiest illegal plays in hockey. It’s a penalty not a hockey play. The ankle slash is standard illegal response, as in Smith slashed Lucic for slashing Giordano.

    If Lucic didn’t respond to Giordano who started it all that would be the surprise. He’s not going to allow it, it would be harmful to his game and rep.

    BTW Giordano is known for playing dirty and not being around for the repercussions. If he would have stayed in the area he vacated (leaving Lucic alone in front) he could of answered his own bell instead of Glass in the end.

  96. Scungilli Slushy says:

    I don’t get fans so strongly disliking their own team’s players to the point becoming incapable of recognizing when they do play well.

    I especially don’t get supporting the opponent seemingly because of the unchanging dislike, and of all teams the Flames. It treasonous.

    I can recognize when the Oilers are in the wrong. I don’t really care against teams like the Flames, to balance karma with those guys there’ll have to be a whack more hacks by our guys.

  97. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    frjohnk: Oilers have a better team than the Leafs?

    Leafs have 101 points and are in 6th place.
    Oilers have 74 points and are in 24th place.

    They have 9 players with 40 points or more.Hyman who has 38 points is 10th highest.
    We have 3 player with 40 points or more.Lucic at 34 points is 4th highest.

    Their defense is better but if the Oilers D were healthy it would not be so wide a margin.

    They have way more depth, better prospects, better management.

    Only thing the Oilers have over the Leafs, is that the Oilers number 1 pick is clearly better than the Leafs number 1 pick.

    – switch goalies, and sh%: yes… They are on a PDO heater this year.

    – Only Jake Allen is a worse goalie this year than Talbot (50 game min.), .906 average.

    – Last year Allen waas fine with .915, and Talbobt 7th .919

    – So this year both teams suck, as do their G: some confounding for sure, but both sucked

    – Talbot is playing himself out of the league, or back-up at best: just awful

  98. Georges says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    – You have made some good points about Coach. I think it’s a mistake though to take 2 years stats and bulk them into one

    I looked at McLellan’s 3-year coaching record with the Oilers not 2 years. I compared his special teams numbers with that of other recent Oilers coaches. In McLellan’s 3 seasons, the Oilers have ranked 18th, 5th, and 31st on PP. Their performance in the 3-year span ranks 22nd as of today, 21st if we take VGK out of it. 21 looks about right, doesn’t it?

    McLellan had a 7-year tenure with SJS. The team’s PP unit ranked 2nd overall during that span. The PK was 13th. PP+PK = 103.3. I think that’s the coaching we thought we were getting: difference making coaching.

    Under DeBoer, SJS PP is 13th over 3 years and the PK is 7th. PP+PK = 102.0. So, to a certain extent, McLellan left his special teams genius in San Jose along with his players.

    – Sure Coach has to own this year’s poor results, but by adding good years to really bad ones it hides the fact that last year our special teams were fairly strong.

    It’s an average. Averages typically show typical. In 2 out of 3 seasons, they’ve been below average or median. This year, they’re at the bottom. In one season, they were near the top. The Oilers’ typical PP performance under McLellan is bottom half of the League. What’s there to hide?

    I don’t think the team last year was a fluke. If you remember, I was on board with the strength of the team PC put together by the end of the season. I thought they looked good to reach the Finals in a year where the traditional WC powers looked vulnerable. Didn’t happen for us. Then PC subtracted 3 guys with established records of success in the league. He brought in a young guy who had performed at a significantly lower offensive level than the guy he was traded for. He bought out a guy who consistently won his 5v5 minutes except in his last season with McLellan; he just had to go apparently. And he swapped out an older guy who still had offense and a history on the PP for an even older guy who was essentially done. So he blew away cover for his younger players and asked them to play and produce over their depth. He asked his HC to get more out of his roster. And here we are.

    – So last year’s special teams, that were elite were luck, and this year a better reflection?

    Together with the first McLellan season, the PP comes out to below median, bottom 3rd, around 21st. That’s the typical level of McLellan’s special teams with the Oilers. The Oilers’ PP is averaging 18.7% in McLellan’s 3 years. The results in each of McLellan’s 3 seasons fall within a 2-sigma confidence interval of 18.7%. So the very good 16-17 results and the very bad 17-18 results are just the natural variation of a random process that’s typically bottom half of the league. In fact, the range of that natural variation is wide enough that it’s possible that McLellan’s PP units are actually League best but they’re just having very bad luck. If you like McLellan’s overall body of work, you could go with that possible but unlikely reading.

  99. GMB3 says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Hmm. Known hacks Giordano and Smith, hack a power forward that is absolutely going to retaliate, and some Oilers fans are on the Flame’s side?? Nice.

    There is no question Giordano started it all, Smith didn’t stop hacking after Lucic gave him the chance.

    What did the two geniuses think was going to happen after provoking him, because he didn’t go after Smith until the 4th hack between the 2 of them.

    By the way, crosschecking is one of the dirtiest illegal plays in hockey. It’s a penalty not a hockey play. The ankle slash is standard illegal response, as in Smith slashed Lucic for slashing Giordano.

    If Lucic didn’t respond to Giordano who started it all that would be the surprise. He’s not going to allow it, it would be harmful to his game and rep.

    BTW Giordano is known for playing dirty and not being around for the repercussions. If he would have stayed in the area he vacated (leaving Lucic alone in front) he could of answered his own bell instead of Glass in the end.

    Clearly you never played because if you did you would understand that there are about 1 million cross checks thrown out in front of the net every game

  100. GMB3 says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Hmm. Known hacks Giordano and Smith, hack a power forward that is absolutely going to retaliate, and some Oilers fans are on the Flame’s side?? Nice.

    There is no question Giordano started it all, Smith didn’t stop hacking after Lucic gave him the chance.

    What did the two geniuses think was going to happen after provoking him, because he didn’t go after Smith until the 4th hack between the 2 of them.

    By the way, crosschecking is one of the dirtiest illegal plays in hockey. It’s a penalty not a hockey play. The ankle slash is standard illegal response, as in Smith slashed Lucic for slashing Giordano.

    If Lucic didn’t respond to Giordano who started it all that would be the surprise. He’s not going to allow it, it would be harmful to his game and rep.

    BTW Giordano is known for playing dirty and not being around for the repercussions. If he would have stayed in the area he vacated (leaving Lucic alone in front) he could of answered his own bell instead of Glass in the end.

    Harmful to his game and rep… just like 3/4s of this season has been? I know it’s April fools day but give me a break

  101. frjohnk says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – switch goalies, and sh%: yes…They are on a PDO heater this year.

    – Only Jake Allen is a worse goalie this year than Talbot (50 game min.), .906 average.

    – Last year Allen waas fine with .915, and Talbobt 7th .919

    – So this year both teams suck, as do their G: some confounding for sure, but both sucked

    – Talbot is playing himself out of the league, or back-up at best: just awful

    Leafs have way more skill.
    Its not even close.

    Matthews misses 20 games and Leafs are fine.
    McDavid misses 20 games and the Oil are battling the for last place with the way things went this year.

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