Homeward Bound

The Edmonton Oilers finished their season schedule against the Calgary Flames with a loss on Saturday night. The final tally (3-2-0) was decidedly unsatisfactory, especially since both March games featured one-goal losses. We can say nothing matters (and what if it did?) but the bottom line is that losing to Calgary on Saturday night is a bitter pill. It’s another ‘wait until next year’ Sunday morning in Edmonton.

THE ATHLETIC!

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  • New Lowetide: Is Milan Lucic tradeable? (will post link)
  • New Black Dog Pat: What’s the use of continuity when the results don’t inspire confidence?
  • Jonathan Willis: Aberg and Rattie audition for jobs as value contracts in major roles.
  • Lowetide: Condors Curios: Interesting things bubbling under in Bakersfield.
  • Jonathan Willis: Does Anton Slepyshev have a future with the Edmonton Oilers?
  • Lowetide: Jujhar Khaira’s spot in the order.
  • Lowetide: The college way doesn’t necessarily represent the best way.
  • Lowetide: A superb summer in three movements.
  • Jonathan Willis: McDavid’s season shows how much the NHL has changed.
  • Lowetide: What are the Oilers getting in Cooper Marody?
  • Lowetide: Draft 2018: The Oilers and the Republic of Finland
  • Lowetide: Draft 2018: The Oilers and Sweden.
  • Lowetide: Draft 2018: The Oilers and the QMJHL.
  • Lowetide: Draft 2018Oilers and the WHL.
  • Lowetide: Draft 2018: Oilers draft history and the OHL
  • Lowetide: Draft 2018: The Oilers and the NCAA.

CAPE FEAR, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • March 2016: 7-8-0, goal differential -3 (14 points)
  • March 2017: 10-2-1, goal differential +21 (21 points)
  • March 2018: 7-7-2, goal differential +1 (16 points)

The bottom line is that the team got the record deserved and that’s a bad way. If you have peak Connor McDavid and can’t win more than seven of 16 games, what are you?

AFTER 79, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers 15-16: 30-42-7, goal differential -48 (67 points)
  • Oilers 16-17: 44-26-9, goal differential +38 (97 points)
  • Oilers 17-18: 34-39-6, goal differential -31 (74 points)

This Oilers team has earned four extra points compared to the first Todd McLellan team. The roster erosion isn’t on Todd McLellan, but the deployment is going to get he or members of his stuff into a long and deep conversation in the coming days. We’ll see how this plays out, but at this point my suspicion is that those who are most responsible will not pay the ultimate (hockey) price. We wait.

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM MARCH

  • At home to: Nashville, NY Rangers, Arizona, NY Islanders, Minnesota (Expected 2-3-0) (Actual 3-2-0)
  • On the road to: Calgary (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • At home to: San Jose (Expected 0-0-1) (Actual 0-0-1)
  • On the road to: Florida, Tampa Bay, Carolina, Ottawa (Expected 1-2-1) (Actual 3-1-0)
  • At home to: Los Angeles, Anaheim, Columbus (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 1-1-1)
  • On the road to: Vancouver, Calgary (Expected 1-0-1) (Actual 0-2-0)
  • Overall expected result: 6-7-3, 15 points in 16 games
  • Current results: 7-7-2, 16 points in 16 games

Turns out I did have this team surrounded (very close prediction) but not in the right order. The goal differential is the distressing part, perhaps if Oscar Klefbom had been able to hang around.

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

  • Sekera-Russell were 9-3 in 12:37, 2-1 GF and it’s an encouraging pair. Sekera appears to be returning to form, and Russell seems more settled. If they could clean up the outlet passing and take a little more care with the turnovers, I’d be prepared to recommend bringing both back in the fall. Spent half of their 5×5 minutes with McDavid’s line, who were just 2-3 in Corsi and 0-1 in GF. Were 4-3 (1-1 GF) against Frolik-Backlund-Brouwer, that’s not bad for six minutes.
  • Auvitu-Bear went 14-11 in 9:46, 0-1 GF. The pairing were 0-4 in HDSC’s and it felt as much. Were 7-3 in 4:04 against Gaudreau-Shore-Foo line, that was an unusual trio (they kept coming in on the left side and trying to perfect driving to the net. It was measure twice cut once all night and they got nothing done). This pairing is less than ideal.
  • Nurse-Larsson were 13-9 in 13:55, 0-0 GF. Despite the loss, I’m pleased McLellan is using this pairing a more reasonable amount (as a percentage). Were 2-6 against Gaudreau-Shore-Foo but 11-3 against all others.
  • Cam Talbot stopped four of seven, .571. He was poor. Al Montoya stopped 13 of 13, he was better.
  • NaturalStatTrick and NHL.com.

FORWARDS, LAST NIGHT

  • Lucic-Strome-Puljujarvi went 8-4 in 9:22, 0-0 GF and 4-1 SF. The line was 2-1 in scoring chances but did nothing of the high danger variety. I like the line but they need to score more often. Went 6-1 against Bennett-Jankowski-Ferland.
  • Caggiula-Khaira-Aberg went 8-5 in 7:30, 0-0 GF and 5-1 in SF. The line was 3-2 in scoring chances but no high danger here. Edmonton needs a dynamic player on these two lines, Leon Draisaitl would ordinarily be on this one. Were 5-4 against Gaudreau-Shore-Foo.
  • Slepyshev-Cammalleri-Kassian went 9-11 in 9:46 and earned the extra icetime, 2-0 GF and 6-7 in SF. The trio was 6-6 in scoring chances and 4-4 in HDSC. One of the more effective evenings by an Oilers fourth line this season. Were 7-4 against Glass-Lazar-Hathaway.
  • Draisaitl-McDavid-Rattie were 9-11 in 11:51. They were 3-7 in SF, 0-2 in GF. Line was 4-5 in scoring chances and 0-2 in HDSC. Lots of people yelling shoot last night but for me 97 has more experience on two-on-one’s and I’ll trust his decisions. The line didn’t rhyme but we’re talking about a player who is coming off one of the truly outstanding scoring streaks in recent history. Shyte happens, and it did. Went 6-10 against Frolik-Backlund-Brouwer, 0-2 GF. It was not a successful evening from the world’s best hockey player. Reading more into it is silly. Oilers fans have myriad problems, Connor McDavid isn’t one of them.

HAPPY EASTER!

Ziggy is sleeping next to me, hogging the coyote blanket and dreaming of chasing rabbits. We have a bunch of them in the neighbourhood, sometimes there’s one in the backyard when she goes out to walkabout in the morning. Ziggy often looks at the rabbit, the rabbit back, and then the two animals go about their business while being very aware of the other. Sometimes she chases the rabbit but man my girl has no chance. These St. Albert rabbits are damned quick and Ziggy is no coyote. She’s spoiled but in fairness to us she’s a sweetheart. Even my neighbour John, the object of many hours of barking (she can see him in his kitchen, apparently some kind of illegal activity), is fond of her.

The kids are well, working and schooling and finding their way. This Easter they’ve been ripping the crawl space apart in search of games from their collective youth. “Spyrow” and “Sims” and all manner of games they were playing a decade ago (Playstation 2 is the format of choice after all these years).

The parents are well, enjoying life while remaining busy and pretending to be productive. I find myself thinking about the people no longer with us these days, seems lots of things remind me of those individuals lost along the way. Suspect it’s an age thing, at some point, if you live long enough, you run out of your people.

We are blessed in many ways, including a turkey coming out of the oven around 7 tonight (later than Dad wishes because kids are working). We have two kinds of pies (cherry and strawberry rhubarb) on the way, plus dressing and mashed potatoes and two kinds of vegetables plus salad. I look forward to these turkey days so much, partly because we get to take stock and see our kids laughing with friends and enjoying themselves. I never thought it would be so good to be old and boring but that’s where we are today. I wish you the best at Easter and Passover, if you celebrate one or both. I wish you all the best if you celebrate neither. Be good to yourself and each other. I think we need that more than anything right now.

Safin is making a case for turning pro in the fall and the Oilers certainly have room. If we assume all of Kailer Yamamoto, Tyler Benson, Safin and Cooper Marody turn pro, that’s four of 18 wingers (nine for Edmonton, nine for Bakersfield) who will be new hires with some degree of pedigree. If we add these men to the signed wingers for next season, the depth chart looks something like this:

  1. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
  2. Milan Lucic
  3. Zack Kassian
  4. Jesse Puljujarvi
  5. Pontus Aberg
  6. Kailer Yamamoto
  7. Joe Gambardella
  8. Mitch Callahan
  9. Cooper Marody
  10. Tyler Benson
  11. Ostap Safin

There are any number of RFA and UFA forwards, including Ty Rattie, Anton Slepyshev, Drake Caggiula, Iiro Pakarinen, Mike Cammalleri, Patrick Russell, Braden Christoffer and Brian Ferlin. In a way, this is a very easy problem to identify: The Oilers need skill on the wings. I think the group who will play in Bakersfield next season (from Yamamoto down) is an encouraging group, reflecting the organization’s realization that trading Taylor Hall and Jordan Eberle left the team with real problems in terms of skill on the wing. The issue is how to get skilled men on the NHL roster by fall. That’s a sticky wicket.

Oilers are currently slated to draft No. 8 overall before the lottery, meaning a six percent chance of moving up. The lottery takes place late this month.

The young man is shooting more in these playoffs, a good sign. I will have “The 100 best players in the 2018 draft” for you on Wednesday. Oilers are going to get a good one in the first round.

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169 Responses to "Homeward Bound"

  1. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Oilers are currently slated to draft No. 8 overall before the lottery, meaning a six percent chance of moving up. The lottery takes place late this month.

    To be clear, a 6% chance of winning the first overall.

    It is around 19% total to “move up” to 1, 2 or 3.

  2. Mr DeBakey says:

    Sekera appears to be returning to form, and Russell seems more settled. If they could clean up the outlet passing and take a little more care with the turnovers, I’d be prepared to recommend bringing both back in the fall.

    I don’t think the Oilers can afford both if they want to add some skill for nest season.
    When healthy, Sekera was the Oilers best all-round defensemen.
    Russell isn’t.

  3. Dicky94 says:

    Goaltending is an issue heading into next year.

  4. 99thoilerfan says:

    I hope the Easter Beagle visited your home this year !
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJAyIU6Dr8U

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter_egg

  5. flyfish1168 says:

    Was at the game last evening. Our defence was often rushed and had no options to make a pass to or when they rimmed it around the boards there was no one in position on the other side. Frustrating to watch when you give the puck away in our own end so often

  6. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Happy Easter to all.

    Someone mentioned Holtby the other day. The Caps have 2 other goalers, need cap to resign Carlson.

    Talbot for Holtby straight up. Talbot has one more year, saves the Caps at least 2M, the Oilers could retain. Holtby has 2 years so not a team killer contract and I think is a strong rebound candidate and a better goalie too boot.

    Then sign Khudobin. These would be the most impactful changes the team could make, and if you can add Vanek or Grabner for cheap do it, trade Kassian if needed. The D will be adequate for one year. Better than the G and F situation IMO.

  7. Woogie63 says:

    Happy Easter to all,

    LT I think Cooper Marody is a center, no?

  8. Soup Fascist says:

    Man, if last nights game didn’t encapsulate the entire season – nothing will. A very winnable game undone by shoddy starting goaltending and laughably inept special teams performance.

    Three things that need to change next year:
    1. Need average to above average goaltending
    2. Fire whichever coaches have had a hand in the power play
    3. Drop the man-to-man coverage. This group can’t figure it out.

    Bad GM decisions have made less than optimal players available. The players that are available have been substantially misused and misaligned by the coaching staff. And finally a lot of players just aren’t executing.

    Other than that ……

  9. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Another route would be if Raanta doesn’t get signed trade Talbot and sign Raanta and Khudo probably for the same as Talbot makes.

  10. Confused says:

    Scungilli Slushy,

    Yes, guilty. But as I said I think we need to retain on Talbot probably 50% to give them a real chance of getting Carlson

  11. Lowetide says:

    Woogie63:
    Happy Easter to all,

    LT I think Cooper Marody is a center, no?

    Yes, but college centers often become pro wingers.

  12. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Dicky94:
    Goaltending is an issue heading into next year.

    – I posted at the end of last thread: only Jake allen is worse that Talbot with min 50 games

    – Last year both teams got good goalering. This year they are the 2 worst

    – Talbot based on this year, he should be a back-up. Give him the chance to rebound, but don’t sink the season by not having someone you have confidence in

    – Same coaches, sames team (hendo. Poo and Ebs don’t expalin Talbot).

    – Goalie has to be way better next year or we are done.

    – Whether coach survives or not: and if his systems explain Talbot going from Vezina vote to worst (I tend not to think so): Talbot is a problem. He’s also had long stretches in the last few years of very very poor goaltending. I’m more confident that he’s not a Cup goalie than Coach for instance

    – Talbot has cost us a lot of games: and his preponderance of 1st shot goals in just wrecks a team that is struggling to begin with

  13. Professor Q says:

    Lowetide: Yes, but college centers often become pro wingers.

    Or in Edmonton’s case, the opposite is attempted first.

  14. Lowetide says:

    One of the real dangers for Edmonton this summer is overreaction. Trading for Holtby would qualify. Talbot needs help, ideally the team hires a quality backup who can run with the job for weeks at a time. Talbot’s chances of regressing to previous levels are good. Buying an expensive goalie this summer is a bad plan imo.

  15. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    I read some comments here about CGY having a terrible Dcorps and how that sewered their season.

    I know that is the message in the media right now, but it really doesn’t have a lot of truth in it.

    If there is one Dman in their top 4 who is suspect its Brodie. He wasn’t good the last 2 years away from Giordano and that continued this year. (more on that later)

    What’s really interesting about CGY is the complete collapse of Backlund’s GF% this year.

    Check this out:
    Backlund’s CF% last 5 years:
    Player Season CF%
    MIKAEL.BACKLUND 2013-2014 51.9
    MIKAEL.BACKLUND 2014-2015 45.6
    MIKAEL.BACKLUND 2015-2016 52.3
    MIKAEL.BACKLUND 2016-2017 54.7
    MIKAEL.BACKLUND 2017-2018 56.1

    Everything is cool. Little Fonzie’s everywhere including this year.

    Now here’s his GF% last 5 years:
    Player Season GF%
    MIKAEL.BACKLUND 2013-2014 51.4
    MIKAEL.BACKLUND 2014-2015 48.3
    MIKAEL.BACKLUND 2015-2016 56.1
    MIKAEL.BACKLUND 2016-2017 53.1
    MIKAEL.BACKLUND 2017-2018 39.5

    Whoa!! What the hell happened this year??

    To put it in more perspective, here’s the difference between Backlund’s CF and GF over these 5 years:

    Player Season Diff
    MIKAEL.BACKLUND 2013-2014 -0.5
    MIKAEL.BACKLUND 2014-2015 2.7
    MIKAEL.BACKLUND 2015-2016 3.8
    MIKAEL.BACKLUND 2016-2017 -1.6
    MIKAEL.BACKLUND 2017-2018 -16.6

    That’s incredible.

    Both SH% and SV% go right off the rails with a 5.34% and.898 respectively for a tidy PDO of 951.

    Backlund’s one of the best defensive centers in the NHL, had better shot share and high danger shot shares this year and the bottom falls out of the goals.

    Bizarre.

    To figure out how this affects the team consider this:

    I like to look at CF% and GF% of each of the top 2 lines on a team and then the same for the “bottom 6”

    I find some good predictive value for playoff performance in this. (spoiler: teams that are over 50% for all 3 lines to go deep in the playoffs….who knew?)

    Anyhow, here is CGY last year:

    Player GF%
    MONAHAN 52.3
    BACKLUND 53.1
    BOTH OFF 44.4

    This looks like a lot of other NHL teams with a good top 6 and a poor bottom 6. Easiest problem to solve imo and few teams actually put enough talent in the their bottom 6 to solve it. Those who do go deep.

    Now here is CGY this year: (as of March 25)

    Player GF%
    MONAHAN 56.9
    BACKLUND 40.2
    BOTH OFF 47.4

    So both Monahan’s line and the bottom 6 improve. You could say that a better defence improves all lines……but Backlund’s line is completely off the rails.

    And so you know, here’s the CF% of the same 3 groups:

    Player CF%
    MONAHAN 54.8
    BACKLUND 56.2
    BOTH OFF 50.5

    Its not uncommon for the bottom 6’s CF% to be a few points higher than their GF%. Less scoring ability in the bottom 6.

    Backlund’s bizzare season is what really throws this team off the rails.

    I have found looking at the last 7 years of data that a team’s point and playoff results with a a top 6 over 50% and the bottom 6 below 45% are much, much, much, much poorer than a team with a top 6 over 50% and the bottom 6 above 45%, but below 50%.

    That’s little bit of GF/CF makes a huge difference in results.

    Anyhow, that’s my very long winded way of saying, “the CGY Dcorps is terrible and cost CGY the playoffs this year” message you’re reading in the media is wrong.

    The Stone trade was always terrible, but Hamonic has been better than Brodie this year in most metrics.

    If they can manage to move on from Brodie and Stone and acquire an Actual NHL LH 2nd pairing Dman (not tough to get) they should be more than fine next year.

    There is no way on Gord’s Green Earth that Backlund’s GF% is 16.6% less than his CF% next year.

    That’s such a crazy outlier.

    Smart GMs won’t panic over this.

    It will be interesting to see what Treeliving does.

  16. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Lowetide:
    One of the real dangers for Edmonton this summer is overreaction. Trading for Holtby would qualify. Talbot needs help, ideally the team hires a quality backup who can run with the job for weeks at a time. Talbot’s chances of regressing to previous levels are good. Buying an expensive goalie this summer is a bad plan imo.

    Trading for Holtby isn’t a panic move. (edit: I mean Grubauer, not Holtby)

    Its a smart move that addressing goaltending with a quality player for seasons past next year.

    High quality goalies are not available often and they are never cheaper to acquire than at the point where they haven’t emerged from back up to starter just year.

  17. powerploy says:

    what happened to nuge was he sick.

  18. powerploy says:

    I don’t agree with trading Talbot at this point, (unless a really good deal comes up- yeh right!) but we can’t gift him starting goalie based on this years performance. its too important of a position.

  19. murphy says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    I wonder what it would take, montoya, a 2nd and a cheap FWD, say slepy or cagguila? Seems like a perfect time to buy low on holtby. The next step would be off-loading talbot somewhere.

  20. Professor Q says:

    Lowetide:
    One of the real dangers for Edmonton this summer is overreaction. Trading for Holtby would qualify. Talbot needs help, ideally the team hires a quality backup who can run with the job for weeks at a time. Talbot’s chances of regressing to previous levels are good. Buying an expensive goalie this summer is a bad plan imo.

    Edmonton should trade for both Price and Karlsson.

  21. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Trading for Holtby isn’t a panic move.

    Its a smart move that addressing goaltending with a quality player for seasons past next year.

    High quality goalies are not available often and they are never cheaper to acquire than at the point where theyhaven’t emerged from back up to starter just year.

    Talbot is a little older, had a similar dip in performance and costs $2 million more per season attached to yet another NMC. I’m a fan of Holtby but for me that money should be spent elsewhere. Find a solid backup for Talbot, he’s not 35 or anything.

  22. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Lowetide:
    One of the real dangers for Edmonton this summer is overreaction. Trading for Holtby would qualify. Talbot needs help, ideally the team hires a quality backup who can run with the job for weeks at a time. Talbot’s chances of regressing to previous levels are good. Buying an expensive goalie this summer is a bad plan imo.

    – I agree that the chances are he goes back to average: they do need a goalie though, or multiple that they can give games too. Maybe LB wasn’t all that, but the org did not set him up for success

    – Last 2 years, Talbot has played the most of any G. His SV% of .913 is 29th min. 50 games.

    – He’s from a SV% one of the worst starters in the league last 2 years, yet he plays the most…

    – He’s just very ordinary…

  23. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    murphy:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    I wonder what it would take, montoya, a 2nd and a cheap FWD, say slepy or cagguila? Seems like a perfect time to buy low on holtby. The next step would be off-loading talbot somewhere.

    I think he`ll cost more than Talbot did. Not sure how much more.

    Talbot cost a 2nd and a 3rd. (plus a swap of 7th rounders….)

    They don`t need Montoya, Samsonov is leaving the KHL and coming to the NHL next year.

    So a 2nd + reasonable prospect is probably close.

    Or a younger NHL player on an entry level or in RFA years.

    That`s my guess.

  24. Bobcaygeon says:

    The coaching staff isn’t without fault, they bare some of the responsibility in how the season went.

    They main culpability remains with the GM..

    I look at the roster and I still can’t believe I renewed my season tickets….

    There is honestly so many holes on this team to be optimistic, the doubt this management group can get the Oilers out is troubling me.

    I guess my needs list must be a lot larger than most but the way I see it.

    1st pairing D-man
    RHD – possible a PP specialist but could be covered by the 1st pairing D-man.

    Two top 6 wingers

    A serious back up goalie by this, I mean one that will steal time away from Talbot.

    Two Pk’ers a Pisani and Pouliot would be nice but I’d settle for anyone of them.

    All this and no CAP space to do it.

    I hear things like “wont tear it down ” from the Oilers but honestly…….How do you not?

  25. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Lowetide: Talbot is a little older, had a similar dip in performance and costs $2 million more per season attached to yet another NMC. I’m a fan of Holtby but for me that money should be spent elsewhere. Find a solid backup for Talbot, he’s not 35 or anything.

    That`s fine if we are only looking at what to do for 18/19.

    I don’t think trusting Talbot past next year is smart given his age and performance.

    I think you have to either grow your own elite goalie or grab them *right before* 200 Hockey Men consider them elite and they are either unavailable or cost the world.

    I think we are at this point with Grubauer.

    If you can sign Raanta for nothing but money I’m down with that too, but Grubauer will be cheaper on the cap for a longer period of time and just turned 26 in November.

  26. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Lowetide: Talbot is a little older, had a similar dip in performance and costs $2 million more per season attached to yet another NMC. I’m a fan of Holtby but for me that money should be spent elsewhere. Find a solid backup for Talbot, he’s not 35 or anything.

    Holy Shit.

    I was reading Holtby, but thinking Grubauer.

    I wouldn’t trade for Holtby.

    I would try like hell to trade for Grubauer.

  27. Pescador says:

    Professor Q: Edmonton should trade for both Price and Karlsson.

    What about that Laine guy in Winnipeg?
    They should try to get him, the Oilers need goal score guys
    I seen him play,

  28. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Holy Shit.

    I was reading Holtby, but thinking Grubauer.

    I wouldn’t trade for Holtby.

    I would try like hell to trade for Grubauer.

    Oh for fuck sakes, Woodguy! 🙂

  29. murphy says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    The real target for the oilers should be niskanen, hes coming off an injury plagued season, is a very very good player. If you could convince russell to waive and add a second or third rounder, the caps may do it for the 1.75million savings per season.

  30. Pescador says:

    Bobcaygeon:
    The coaching staff isn’t without fault, they bare some of the responsibility in how the season went.

    They main culpability remains with the GM..

    I look at the roster and I still can’t believe I renewed my season tickets….

    There is honestly so many holes on this team to be optimistic, the doubt this management group can get the Oilers out is troubling me.

    I guess my needs list must be a lot larger than most but the way I see it.

    1st pairing D-man
    RHD – possible a PP specialist but could be covered by the 1st pairing D-man.

    Two top 6 wingers

    A serious back up goalie by this, I mean one that will steal time away from Talbot.

    Two Pk’ers a Pisani and Pouliot would be nice but I’d settle for anyone of them.

    All this and no CAP space to do it.

    I hear things like “wont tear it down ” from the Oilers but honestly…….How do you not?

    Honestly, I feel like if you or I had any confidence in the current GM
    then the idea of the team bouncing back with only a few minor tweaks would hold water

  31. OilClog says:

    If they keep Talbot they have to get a coach that will actually play the back up. When the coach played LB on the road in back2backs.. there’s no backup that’s going to steal time from whomever is Todd’s choice.

    If they keep the coach they need to find a new goalie to run into the ground.

    Pick a poison it seems.

    One of two things will happen though, Pete will get to stay and pick his coach. Pete will be let go and whoever is his replacement won’t accept the job without being able to bring in his coach. Unless TMac is becoming GM. Yikes

  32. mustang says:

    Lowetide:
    One of the real dangers for Edmonton this summer is overreaction. Trading for Holtby would qualify. Talbot needs help, ideally the team hires a quality backup who can run with the job for weeks at a time. Talbot’s chances of regressing to previous levels are good. Buying an expensive goalie this summer is a bad plan imo.

    Isn’t Montoya the guy brought in to do this? Or was he a panic move from not taking care of the situation during the summer? I agree dont trade for expensive goalie that would be bad.

    I have a hard time seeing how they plan on improving this team. We need the draft picks the depth is terrible, so trading picks isn’t a good plan. Moving Lucic will be impossible even if he would wave. Could trade Russell but they don’t have anyone to take his spot anyway, I guess Auvitu could but

    he hasn’t played enough to know how he would perform night in and night out. I really think the biggest change should come from the coaching staff, between the man to man D and the failure in specialy teams this is the best way to make a meaningful change. What say you

  33. JimmyV1965 says:

    Lowetide:
    One of the real dangers for Edmonton this summer is overreaction. Trading for Holtby would qualify. Talbot needs help, ideally the team hires a quality backup who can run with the job for weeks at a time. Talbot’s chances of regressing to previous levels are good. Buying an expensive goalie this summer is a bad plan imo.

    Agreed. 100%. We need a backup who can start 6 or 7 games on an emergency basis. There’s about eight UFAs out there to choose from.

    I’m happy actually that Talbot pooped the bed last night. He’s had a nice run here and it seemed to me people were getting comfortable with the goaltending situation again and counting on Talbot to rebound next year. And I think he can. But we clearly need a quality backup.

  34. Woogie63 says:

    Bobcaygeon:
    The coaching staff isn’t without fault, they bare some of the responsibility in how the season went.

    They main culpability remains with the GM..

    I look at the roster and I still can’t believe I renewed my season tickets….

    There is honestly so many holes on this team to be optimistic, the doubt this management group can get the Oilers out is troubling me.

    I guess my needs list must be a lot larger than most but the way I see it.

    1st pairing D-man
    RHD – possible a PP specialist but could be covered by the 1st pairing D-man.

    Two top 6 wingers

    A serious back up goalie by this, I mean one that will steal time away from Talbot.

    Two Pk’ers a Pisani and Pouliot would be nice but I’d settle for anyone of them.

    All this and no CAP space to do it.

    I hear things like “wont tear it down ” from the Oilers but honestly…….How do you not?

    One problems has been total organizational strength, how do you feel about Bakersfield looking like;

    Benson-Gambardella-Yamamoto
    LeLeggia-Marody- Safin
    Larkin-Vesel-Callahan
    Polei-Currie-Russell

    Jones-Bear
    Simpson-Mantha
    Berglund-Lagesson

    Skinner
    Brossoit

    22 year old is average age

    First pick in 2018 draft Quinn Hughes

  35. Pescador says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I think he`ll cost more than Talbot did.Not sure how much more.

    Talbot cost a 2nd and a 3rd. (plus a swap of 7th rounders….)

    They don`t need Montoya, Samsonov is leaving the KHL and coming to the NHL next year.

    So a 2nd + reasonable prospect is probably close.

    Or a younger NHL player on an entry level or in RFA years.

    That`s my guess.

    Sergei?

  36. Lowetide says:

    mustang: Isn’t Montoya the guy brought in to do this? Or was he a panic move from not taking care of the situation during the summer? I agree dont trade for expensive goalie that would be bad.

    I have a hard time seeing how they plan on improving this team. We need the draft picks the depth is terrible, so trading picks isn’t a good plan. Moving Lucic will be impossible even if he would wave. Could trade Russell but they don’t have anyone to take his spot anyway, I guess Auvitu could but

    he hasn’t played enough to know how he would perform night in and night out. I really think the biggest change should come from the coaching staff, between the man to man D and the failure in specialy teams this is the best way to make a meaningful change. What say you

    I think Montoya was a reaction to Brossoit’s epic fail in Calgary that night. He can spend the season in Bakersfield or be lost on waivers, it’s a no big deal deal.

  37. Clarkenstein says:

    I haven’t chimed in here much this year mostly because my “give a fuck” meter quit registering some time ago. This season has been even worse than the really bad decade simply because of the promise that last year gave us. I think an entirely new group including, GM, Coach and staff and a new Coach and staff in Condorland. New voices, new eyes, new attitude has to happen and it has to happen now. I thought the Klowe era was bad and it really was but this group is giving him a run for his money. Chia was surrounded by a good team in Boston and it is showing now but Chia has been given the reins here and has fucked it up miserably. Having said all this I would actually bet a small amount of money that NIcholson (Katz) will not change a damn thing. A stubborn bunch of losers!!
    Having said that I want to wish you and your family a lovely family Easter LT. All the best.
    CC

  38. godot10 says:

    //The roster erosion isn’t on Todd McLellan//

    He is a big part of it. He doesn’t get the best out of players, and this is now a clear pattern. Schultz out. Hall out. Pouliot out. Eberle out. Pitlick out. He couldn’t coach actually NHL players.

    Lucic is the worst he has ever been. Kassian is awful again after a big fat new contract.

    Nugent-Hopkins was on his way out of town because the coach refused to play him with McDavid.

    He is the only coach who cannot seem to coach an elite prospect like Puljujarvi.

  39. Bobcaygeon says:

    Woogie63: One problems has been total organizational strength, how do you feel about Bakersfield looking like;

    Benson-Gambardella-Yamamoto
    LeLeggia-Marody- Safin
    Larkin-Vesel-Callahan
    Polei-Currie-Russell

    Jones-Bear
    Simpson-Mantha
    Berglund-Lagesson

    Skinner
    Brossoit

    22 year old is average age

    First pick in 2018 draft Quinn Hughes

    At this point I would suggest all rookies go through the AHL.

    The problem is that’s good for the AHL team and development but meanwhile the Oilers continue to burn McDavid contract years looking internally for help, where help may not be on the way…
    The Oilers will continue to press rookies into the lineup in a desperate move to fill spots that require some veteran or NHL ready help.

    At this point, does anyone feel that Yamamoto wont make this team based solely on need….Or do you think he has to “earn it”
    I’m also convinced that Rattie will make the opening roster based on his recent play.

    Its a bad place to be as an organization.

  40. frjohnk says:

    godot10:
    //The roster erosion isn’t on Todd McLellan//

    He is a big part of it.He doesn’t get the best out of players, and this is now a clear pattern.Schultz out.Hall out.Pouliot out.Eberle out.Pitlick out. He couldn’t coach actually NHL players.

    Lucic is the worst he has ever been.Kassian is awful again after a big fat new contract.

    Nugent-Hopkins was on his way out of town because the coach refused to play him with McDavid.

    He is the only coach who cannot seem to coach an elite prospect like Puljujarvi.

    Is the coach holding back McDavid?

  41. GMB3 says:

    Bobcaygeon: At this point I would suggest all rookies go through the AHL.

    The problem is that’s good for the AHL team and development but meanwhile the Oilers continue to burn McDavid contract years looking internally for help, where help may not be on the way…
    The Oilers will continue to press rookies into the lineup ina desperate move to fill spots that require some veteran or NHL ready help.

    At this point, does anyone feel that Yamamoto wont make this team based solely on need….Or do you think he has to “earn it”
    I’m also convinced that Rattie will make the opening roster based on his recent play.

    Its a bad place to be as an organization.

    KY made the team on merit last fall imo. He outplayed his competition for a spot on the wings.

  42. HT Joe says:

    godot10: He is the only coach who cannot seem to coach an elite prospect like Puljujarvi.

    History suggests that Eakins would have screwed up JP’s development.

    frjohnk: Is the coach holding back McDavid?

    If the coach had managed to fix the PP, and would line match once in a while to make things easier for McDavid from time to time, McDavid would probably have a much more substantial lead in team scoring.

    *EDIT* I will begrudgingly admit that TMac’s refusal to line match may in fact help (force) McDavid to better develop his 200 ft game.

  43. godot10 says:

    Dicky94:
    Goaltending is an issue heading into next year.

    Coaching is the main issue heading into next season. Nelson ran at a seventy something point pace with Scrivens and some other dude. No McDavid. Hall and Petry only for about 50% of the games. And Eberle and Pouliot and Yakupov and Schutlz filling the net.

    Think what Nelson could have done with Talbot and all the guys McLellan discarded plus McDavid.

  44. Bobcaygeon says:

    GMB3: KY made the team on merit last fall imo. He outplayed his competition for a spot on the wings.

    He had no one to out play…and still didn’t register a goal in 9 games.

  45. Lowetide says:

    Clarkenstein: Thanks and back at you. I think the way the season went after the deadline will save some, not all, jobs.

  46. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I think he`ll cost more than Talbot did.Not sure how much more.

    Talbot cost a 2nd and a 3rd. (plus a swap of 7th rounders….)

    They don`t need Montoya, Samsonov is leaving the KHL and coming to the NHL next year.

    So a 2nd + reasonable prospect is probably close.

    Or a younger NHL player on an entry level or in RFA years.

    That`s my guess.

    It would be worth it if he’s better than average.

  47. Scungilli Slushy says:

    The Oilers need a backup that can play 60 games. Talbot has long stretches of poor play. There are no playoffs when the goalie is in a prolonged slump with no relief. Ask the Flames. A bigger issue than Backlund IMO.

  48. mustang says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Maybe we could do Russell for Brodie

  49. AshetonisGod says:

    Clarkenstein,

    Agreed. Let’s recap some highlights.
    1. Chia. GR trade for 16 and 33 picks. Thought to be bad gamble by many at time. Plus we had Sek, Nurse, Davidison at LD. Hall trade bleeds talent for top 3 defensive defenseman. Eberle for Strome bleeds more talent for capspace to use for offer sheet to Drai that never comes. Savings instead uaed to resign Russell for too much term and $$ and NMC. Inabilty to find good backup goalie. Signs Lucic for too much money and term and NMC just as game is moving toward more speed. Makes bets on too many unproven wingers and young D stepping up this year. Lets Pou go when he could have helped this yr as vet winger providing cover for youth and on PK and with team speed.
    2.TMac. Blender. Plays Lucic and Caggs too high up in the order for far too long. Says guys have to earn ice time but then gifts time to these two. Calls out Pou for taking too many Ozone penalties even though he draws a lot too. Never calls out guys like Lucic or Maroon or Cags for the dumb penalties they take. Calls out Ebs and Leon for certain things. Never calls out Lucic for stone hands or blind passes to the center of the ice. Never calls out Cags for ineffectual play. Keeps Letestu too long on PK. Takes too long to split up Connor and Leon. Takes too long move Nuge to 1LW. Relies too much on Talbot. Can’t fix PK. Can’t fix PP. Has team play man coverage in dzone when that fails repeatedly. During eval time doesn’t give JP sufficient minutes.

    How many of these are fireable offenses?

    We need patience we’re told. Can’t just blow it up. For public consumption you need to say this but I sure hope that they’re looking long and hard at new GM and prepared to give him the independence he’ll need to fix things. 10 yr history suggests this is a least likely outcome.

  50. speeds says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I think he`ll cost more than Talbot did.Not sure how much more.

    Talbot cost a 2nd and a 3rd. (plus a swap of 7th rounders….)

    They don`t need Montoya, Samsonov is leaving the KHL and coming to the NHL next year.

    So a 2nd + reasonable prospect is probably close.

    Or a younger NHL player on an entry level or in RFA years.

    That`s my guess.

    In a league where teams regularly used offer sheets, WSh would feel like they pretty much have to trade either holtby or hrubauer by the draft. An OS for, say, 3.5M would cost a 2nd, and if WSh matched, they couldnt trade him for a year, potentially boxing them in a little bit with the cap.

  51. Bobcaygeon says:

    godot10:
    //The roster erosion isn’t on Todd McLellan//

    He is a big part of it.He doesn’t get the best out of players, and this is now a clear pattern.Schultz out.Hall out.Pouliot out.Eberle out.Pitlick out. He couldn’t coach actually NHL players.

    Lucic is the worst he has ever been.Kassian is awful again after a big fat new contract.

    Nugent-Hopkins was on his way out of town because the coach refused to play him with McDavid.

    He is the only coach who cannot seem to coach an elite prospect like Puljujarvi.

    Lucic is a dead horse that I don’t think has anything to do with coaching, his decline is on the GM, I also believe in my bones that playing Lucic over JP is NOT a coaching decision but the GM demanding the coach play his horse.

    I 100% don’t agree on Pouliot, the GM has trading him twice now and bought him out in a terrible decision just to rid the roster of him.

    JP is a tough decision, he is developing on a third line role, could he be played more? sure! but the season was lost a long time ago and giving him steady third line work is working, he is developing. I’m not sure throwing him to the wolves matters at this point?

  52. digger50 says:

    Pre-season Tmac made a comment that he and Peter had discussions about the team managing high expectation be for the year. He stated it was a worry.

    Now he is returning to those expectations but more so in a “I told you so” manner.

    I mean good on you for recognizing this and discussing it. Blaming the players however doesn’t quite fit. A losing streak and a reset should have brought the team back to reality. However if you have prior knowledge of something and fail to adequately manage or mitigate it, then you must accept some responsibility yourself.

  53. HT Joe says:

    Lowetide:
    Clarkenstein: Thanks and back at you. I think the way the season went after the deadline will save some, not all, jobs.

    First of all, Happy Easter to Lowetide and everyone here.

    Second of all, this is shaping up to be a really interesting offseason:
    – The draft (obviously)
    – Does Chia trade more draft picks for prospects?
    – Does either / both Chia and TMac keep their jobs?
    – What roles do Gretzky, Messier, Coffey, MacT, KLowe end up with?
    – Any upgrades coming (in the form of trades or signings)?
    – Does RNH stay an Oiler? Does Klefbom?
    – Do we re-sign Strome?
    – What does Nurse’s new contract turn out to be?
    – Does the media turn on the braintrust, and does Chia have a “I won a cup in Boston so STFU” moment (a la Lowe’s “thing or 2 about winning”?) – a man can dream!!
    – What are the offseason training plans of McDavid, Nurse, Draisatl and most interestingly, JP?

    And stepping away from the Oilers a bit…
    – Where does Tavares sign? James Neal? John Carlson?
    – Does Kovulchuk return to the NHL? Which team?
    – What happens to the Sedins? What about Chara?

    Lots to keep me occupied until next season. 🙂

  54. Confused says:

    Grubauer will costs lots of assets and would likely want to be signed at starter prices, 4.

    He is only two years younger than holtby.

    Holtby and montaya for one year, pick up a quality young option next year.

  55. godot10 says:

    frjohnk: Is the coach holding back McDavid?

    Yes, he is holding him back. McKinnon has more points per game, and McDavid is NOT well clear of the pack in his 3rd season. There has never been a generational player that has so underperformed his potential by year 3.

  56. Jethro Tull says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    The Oilers need a backup that can play 60 games. Talbot has long stretches of poor play. There are no playoffs when the goalie is in a prolonged slump with no relief. Ask the Flames. A bigger issue than Backlund IMO.

    By definition, a backup goalie capable of 60gms isn’t a backup.

  57. Confused says:

    Raanta and holtby are both 28

  58. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    The Oilers coaches are stuck because PC didn’t provide vet forward cover as was widely thought necessary. The tweeners couldn’t score or defend reliably, a tough spot for the coaches.

    My ideal summer sees that solved. I’d like to see Winnik added because as far as I can tell he can still skate at an NHL level and can defend, PK amd play anywhere in the lineup. I’d add Grabner as well if cheap enough.

    I’d have Yama force his way off the Condors. I would trade Cags because he’s stuck in no man’s land on the Oilers. Not a good fit. I’d re-up Slepy because I think he does more than Cags even if he can’t be top 6.

    I would move Kassian for cap if necessary. I would play hard ball with Strome, he’s has to be cheap enough for his lack of offense. 3M or more will be a cap problems and he is what he is IMO.

    I’d hire Q if available and at least get new assistants if not. I’d hire a new GM from an org with a history of cap good management and pro deals. I’d keep PC at what he’s good at, below pro level acquisitions, no contract signings at the NHl level, developing the farm. I’d get a new AHL coach better with youth. The Condors will be young.

    I’d leave the D, not much good can be done there next season, only bad.

    I’d find a starting capable backup or if possible someone better than Talbot, Grubauer, Holtby, Raanta, Khudobin, whatever can be done.

    For me a lack of quality forward system play and goaltending is causing more issues than the lack of a quality RD and a non elite D Corp, and both are much more easily fixed.

    I think this proposed team could do well with health, and there will be more depth available from the farm than this year had.

  59. Jethro Tull says:

    godot10: Yes, he is holding him back. McKinnon has more points per game, and McDavid is NOT well clear of the pack in his 3rd season.There has never been a generational player that has so underperformed his potential by year 3.

    And there it is. Next step: “Just hypothetical, what’s McDavid’s trade value?”

    McDavid, era adjusted, is already the 3rd best player ever. But yeah, he’s underperforming and it’s the coaches fault.

    If true, imagine him under Babcock or Tippett. (Babcock said McDavid plays too many minutes last season.)

  60. jzed says:

    LT, you had an interview on Lowedown, can’t remember who, talked about simple utilization changes unlocking players. Utilization-OV2 with Bear?? , back to the blue blanket on the 1st line??? No one timers from either Leon or JP on the powerless play?? TMac has to go.

  61. Bobcaygeon says:

    HT Joe: First of all, Happy Easter to Lowetide and everyone here.

    Second of all, this is shaping up to be a really interesting offseason:
    – The draft (obviously)
    – Does Chia trade more draft picks for prospects?
    – Does either / both Chia and TMac keep their jobs?
    – What roles do Gretzky, Messier, Coffey, MacT, KLowe end up with?
    – Any upgrades coming (in the form of trades or signings)?
    – Does RNH stay an Oiler?Does Klefbom?
    – Do we re-sign Strome?
    – What does Nurse’s new contract turn out to be?
    – Does the media turn on the braintrust, and does Chia have a “I won a cup in Boston so STFU” moment (a la Lowe’s “thing or 2 about winning”?) – a man can dream!!
    – What are the offseason training plans of McDavid, Nurse, Draisatl and most interestingly, JP?

    And stepping away from the Oilers a bit…
    – Where does Tavares sign? James Neal?John Carlson?
    – Does Kovulchuk return to the NHL?Which team?
    – What happens to the Sedins?What about Chara?

    Lots to keep me occupied until next season.

    – Oliver Wahlstrom
    -If Chiarelli is still employed past May. I think he uses draft picks and prospects to get out of this mess while trying to trade two NMC out ( Lucic & Sekera)
    He’s a smart guy, he has to see this mess he made!
    – I think Tmac stays, I don’t think Chiarelli makes the cut, they have both Wayne and Mark lurking about.
    – If Gretzky or Messier get the GM job then minor tweaks, if Chiarelli is still here he’s going to make a lot of changes to save his job.
    -RNH stays, Klefbom goes if the Oilers can trade for a 1st pairing D-man
    – Strome is qualified.
    – a two year bridge deal.
    – Tavares goes to T.O
    -Kovulchuk goes to CBJ
    – Sedins resigh in Van and Chara already resigned in Bos.

  62. Confused says:

    Loved the fake Iggy signing, go Iggy!

  63. Professor Q says:

    Pescador: What about that Laine guy in Winnipeg?
    They should try to get him, the Oilers need goal score guys
    I seen him play,

    He doesn’t cost $9-11 million per year yet though. Doesn’t fit my sarcastic/facetious narrative.

  64. Pescador says:

    digger50:
    Pre-season Tmac made a comment that he and Peter had discussions about the team managing high expectation be for the year. He stated it was a worry.

    Now he is returning to those expectations but more so in a “I told you so” manner.

    I mean good on you for recognizing this and discussing it. Blaming the players however doesn’t quite fit. A losing streak and a reset should have brought the team back to reality. However if you have prior knowledge of something and fail to adequately manage or mitigate it, then you must accept some responsibility yourself.

    It’s not weather you win or lose,
    it’s how you lay the blame

  65. HT Joe says:

    Bobcaygeon: – Oliver Wahlstrom
    -If Chiarelli is still employed past May. I think he uses draft picks and prospects to get out of this mess while trying to trade two NMC out ( Lucic & Sekera)
    He’s a smart guy, he has to see this mess he made!
    – I think Tmac stays, I don’t think Chiarelli makes the cut, they have both Wayne and Mark lurking about.
    – If Gretzky or Messier get the GM job then minor tweaks, if Chiarelli is still here he’s going to make a lot of changes to save his job.
    -RNH stays, Klefbom goes if the Oilers can trade for a 1st pairing D-man
    – Strome is qualified.
    – a two year bridge deal.
    – Tavares goes to T.O
    -Kovulchukgoes to CBJ
    – Sedins resigh in Van and Chara already resigned in Bos.

    Ho ho! Fun answers…. thanks. Let’s see how close you are. (I didn’t know that Chara and Boston already got it done… lazy lack of fact-checking on my part).

    My favourite part of your response was the characterization of Gretzky and Messier “lurking”. Well done! 🙂

  66. anjinsan says:

    Peter Chiarelli has just been cast as grown up Charlie Brown in the upcoming Peanuts Reunited! movie. Director Lou Costello said that what cinched it for Chiarelli during auditions was his delivery of the famous Charlie Brown line, “I got a rock.”, a line honed over years while losing every high end trade he was involved in to the level of public ridicule. Chiarelli was quoted as saying, “It’s the price you gotta pay … for losing trades.” He added that he has always identified with Brown, was excited about his new role, and looks forward to showing that the older Brown knows how to kick a field goal.

  67. pts2pndr says:

    Dicky94:
    Goaltending is an issue heading into next year.

    Dicky94,

    I agree it is an issue however once upon a time the loyal fans of this franchise believed a young man named Devan was the problem! I suggest that for a large part of this year we we missing last years best defenseman. Our two young stud Swedish defenseman were either playing hurt or in Larssons case not available for personal reasons. Add to that player deployment issues with the forward group including using Letestu as a pk man when he had lost a step and the coaches blender philosophy, i think that maybe blaming the goal tender is overly simplistic! A coaching change, better pk and pp and better health will put us in a position back in the playoffs. LT is right in saying minor tweaks!

  68. JimmyV1965 says:

    GMB3: KY made the team on merit last fall imo. He outplayed his competition for a spot on the wings.

    KY did make the team on merit. He might have been one of the best players in the entire NHL during the preseason. But Tmac and Chia should understand the value of preseason play and be more astute and mature in their player development. Unless you’re Connor frickin McDavid or Taylor Hall, every player needs to spend time in the AHL. That’s what good teams do. Bad teams keep doing what we do.

  69. HT Joe says:

    anjinsan,

    Sneaky Pete’s an actor now? His IMDB page indicates only writing and producing credits to his name: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1095804/?ref_=nv_sr_2#writer

    Atta boy Pete!!

  70. JimmyV1965 says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    The Oilers need a backup that can play 60 games. Talbot has long stretches of poor play. There are no playoffs when the goalie is in a prolonged slump with no relief. Ask the Flames. A bigger issue than Backlund IMO.

    Agreed. They were sewered by bad goaltending down the stretch.

  71. JimmyV1965 says:

    godot10: Yes, he is holding him back. McKinnon has more points per game, and McDavid is NOT well clear of the pack in his 3rd season.There has never been a generational player that has so underperformed his potential by year 3.

    My water pipes burst this morning. Frickin Tmac. There’s no way this happens if he’s coaching somewhere else.

  72. HenryDrix says:

    godot10:
    //The roster erosion isn’t on Todd McLellan//

    He is a big part of it.He doesn’t get the best out of players, and this is now a clear pattern.Schultz out.Hall out.Pouliot out.Eberle out.Pitlick out. He couldn’t coach actually NHL players.

    Lucic is the worst he has ever been.Kassian is awful again after a big fat new contract.

    Nugent-Hopkins was on his way out of town because the coach refused to play him with McDavid.

    He is the only coach who cannot seem to coach an elite prospect like Puljujarvi.

    +1. Coaching has been horrible. Poor deployment, poor development, poor tactics, poor motivation. Seems to have coached the aggressiveness out of Lucic, Nurse, Kassian. 30th ranked pp and no playoffs with the best player on the planet. No words can describe. McD takes shots and no response cuz coach wants to win meaningless gamee to help save his job. He should let the dogs run down anyone that touches Connor, come what may, the P.K. needs practice anyway. Send a message for next year and beyond.

  73. Woogie63 says:

    IMO
    If Pete and Todd are tossed aside who are universally thought of as quality pros … outside of Edmonton …. no GM or coach with choices is going to come to Edmonton.

    Zero disrespect to the city, but

    Small market
    Cold
    Killer travel
    Unrelenting fan base
    Media controlled by 2-4 voices
    Ghost of the 80s Oilers still active in the city, organization

    my bet is the Oilers attract the next great AHL coach and a out of work ex GM, given that option I will stay with what I have right now.

  74. Bobcaygeon says:

    HenryDrix: +1.Coaching has been horrible.Poor deployment, poor development, poor tactics, poor motivation.Seems to have coached the aggressiveness out of Lucic, Nurse, Kassian.30th ranked pp and no playoffs with the best player on the planet.No words can describe.McD takes shots and no response cuz coach wants to win meaningless gamee to help save his job. He should let the dogs run down anyone that touches Connor, come what may, the P.K. needs practice anyway.Send a message for next year and beyond.

    If McDavid is the only person the other teams need to key on during a PP how does the PP get better?
    Look at the job both Suter & Backland did against McDavid, you shut McDavid down the rest follow…
    That ain’t on the coaches.

  75. McSorley33 says:

    Love the talk of finding a backup goalie…..

    Except our GM just obtained, and paid for, a 33 year old back up in a lost,
    Futile season.

    Completely trust him to address the goalie situation…..really.

    So given Talbots and Kassian’s season….what are PC’s pros again?

  76. frjohnk says:

    McSorley33:

    So given Talbots andKassian’s season….what are PC’s pros again?

    If one puts Talbot in the “Meh” category, then it just adds to Chias body of work that just has not been good enough.

    Chias contract to Kassian pretty much offsets the win in the trade to get Kassian.

    I do think Chia has done fine in some of drafting

    Chia might be better in a number 2 role.

  77. JimmyV1965 says:

    Bobcaygeon: If McDavid is the only person the other teams need to key on during a PP how does the PP get better?
    Look at the job both Suter & Backland did against McDavid, you shut McDavid down the rest follow…
    That ain’t on the coaches.

    Not even close to true. I would argue RNH has been the best player on rhe PP this year. McDavid leads the league in even strength scoring, yet he is magically shut down when we have an extra forward. Not buying it. The mantra last year was to shoot in the first seven seconds. If the players are unwilling to do this, take them off the PP or put them on PP2. Even if it’s McDavid.

  78. Woogie63 says:

    HenryDrix: +1.Coaching has been horrible.Poor deployment, poor development, poor tactics, poor motivation.Seems to have coached the aggressiveness out of Lucic, Nurse, Kassian.30th ranked pp and no playoffs with the best player on the planet.No words can describe.McD takes shots and no response cuz coach wants to win meaningless gamee to help save his job. He should let the dogs run down anyone that touches Connor, come what may, the P.K. needs practice anyway.Send a message for next year and beyond.

    I understand this a populate stance, but I can’t agree

    1. Three best player play about 20 minutes a night
    2. Nurse has been developed; 2 years in junior, 3rd pairing, 2nd pairing 1st pairing w/ Larsson
    3. Puljujarvi; 3rd line with Strome, and pro like Lucic
    4. PK is working again, proves adaptability
    5. PP is not working
    6. Goaltending was bad this year
    7. Kassian look like a professional hockey vs. crazy man he was before

    Once the players are on the ice it is on them to make a difference.

  79. Hot Eire says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    I wonder how much Lucic’s numbers differ from this!.

  80. Hot Eire says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    I read some comments here about CGY having a terrible Dcorps and how that sewered their season.

    I know that is the message in the media right now, but it really doesn’t have a lot of truth in it.

    If there is one Dman in their top 4 who is suspect its Brodie.He wasn’t good the last 2 years away from Giordano and that continued this year. (more on that later)

    What’s really interesting about CGY is the complete collapse of Backlund’s GF% this year.

    Check this out:
    Backlund’s CF% last 5 years:
    PlayerSeasonCF%
    MIKAEL.BACKLUND2013-201451.9
    MIKAEL.BACKLUND2014-201545.6
    MIKAEL.BACKLUND2015-201652.3
    MIKAEL.BACKLUND2016-201754.7
    MIKAEL.BACKLUND2017-201856.1

    Everything is cool.Little Fonzie’s everywhere including this year.

    Now here’s his GF% last 5 years:
    PlayerSeasonGF%
    MIKAEL.BACKLUND2013-201451.4
    MIKAEL.BACKLUND2014-201548.3
    MIKAEL.BACKLUND2015-201656.1
    MIKAEL.BACKLUND2016-201753.1
    MIKAEL.BACKLUND2017-201839.5

    Whoa!! What the hell happened this year??

    To put it in more perspective, here’s the difference between Backlund’s CF and GF over these 5 years:

    PlayerSeasonDiff
    MIKAEL.BACKLUND2013-2014-0.5
    MIKAEL.BACKLUND2014-20152.7
    MIKAEL.BACKLUND2015-20163.8
    MIKAEL.BACKLUND2016-2017-1.6
    MIKAEL.BACKLUND2017-2018-16.6

    That’s incredible.

    Both SH% and SV% go right off the rails with a 5.34% and.898 respectively for a tidy PDO of 951.

    Backlund’s one of the best defensive centers in the NHL, had better shot share and high danger shot shares this year and the bottom falls out of the goals.

    Bizarre.

    To figure out how this affects the team consider this:

    I like to look at CF% and GF% of each of the top 2 lines on a team and then the same for the “bottom 6”

    I find some good predictive value for playoff performance in this. (spoiler: teams that are over 50% forall 3 lines to go deep in the playoffs….who knew?)

    Anyhow, here is CGY last year:

    PlayerGF%
    MONAHAN52.3
    BACKLUND53.1
    BOTH OFF44.4

    This looks like a lot of other NHL teams with a good top 6 and a poor bottom 6.Easiest problem to solve imo and few teams actually put enough talent in the their bottom 6 to solve it.Those who do go deep.

    Now here is CGY this year: (as of March 25)

    PlayerGF%
    MONAHAN56.9
    BACKLUND40.2
    BOTH OFF47.4

    So both Monahan’s line and the bottom 6 improve.You could say that a better defence improves all lines……but Backlund’s line is completely off the rails.

    And so you know, here’s the CF% of the same 3 groups:

    PlayerCF%
    MONAHAN54.8
    BACKLUND56.2
    BOTH OFF50.5

    Its not uncommon for the bottom 6’s CF% to be a few points higher than their GF%.Less scoring ability in the bottom 6.

    Backlund’s bizzare season is what really throws this team off the rails.

    I have found looking at the last 7 years of data that a team’s point and playoff results with a a top 6 over 50% and the bottom 6 below 45% are much, much, much, much poorer than a team with a top 6 over 50% and the bottom 6 above 45%, but below 50%.

    That’s little bit of GF/CF makes a huge difference in results.

    Anyhow, that’s my very long winded way of saying, “the CGY Dcorps is terrible and cost CGY the playoffs this year” message you’re reading in the media is wrong.

    The Stone trade was always terrible, but Hamonic has been better than Brodie this year in most metrics.

    If they can manage to move on from Brodie and Stone and acquire an Actual NHL LH 2nd pairing Dman (not tough to get) they should be more than fine next year.

    There is no way on Gord’s Green Earth that Backlund’s GF% is 16.6% less than his CF% next year.

    That’s such a crazy outlier.

    Smart GMs won’t panic over this.

    It will be interesting to see what Treeliving does.

    Last line in reference to this. It seems to me Lucic is in the same twilight zone.

  81. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Lowetide: Oh for fuck sakes, Woodguy!

    Standard.

    Lordy.

  82. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    murphy:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    The real target for the oilers should be niskanen, hes coming off an injury plagued season, is a very very good player. If you could convince russell to waive and add a second or third rounder, the caps may do it for the 1.75million savings per season.

    No way is he available

  83. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    mustang:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    Maybe we could do Russell for Brodie

    Too much $$$

  84. murphy says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    If they want to sign carlson then something has to give, he has had an off year too with some injury issues

  85. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    speeds: In a league where teams regularly used offer sheets, WSh would feel like they pretty much have to trade either holtby or hrubauer by the draft.An OS for, say, 3.5M would cost a 2nd, and if WSh matched, they couldnt trade him for a year, potentially boxing them in a little bit with the cap.

    The closed market cartel doesn’t use offer sheets

  86. pts2pndr says:

    JimmyV1965: KY did make the team on merit. He might have been one of the best players in the entire NHL during the preseason.But Tmac and Chia should understand the value of preseason play and be more astute and mature in their player development.Unless you’re Connor frickin McDavid or Taylor Hall, every player needs to spend time in the AHL. That’s what good teams do. Bad teams keep doing what we do.

    You are correct and Putin won the Russian election!

  87. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    the smart play for WSH is to trade Holtby and his $6.1MM contract for two more years of to make room for Carlson’s deal and run Grubauer and Samsonov

    I bet PHI would take him, not sure WSH trades him in division though.

    I wonder who else would bite?

    I bet Nill would love him but he’s tied to Bishop now…..

    NYI might….

  88. pts2pndr says:

    Woogie63: I understand this a populate stance, but I can’t agree

    1. Three best player play about 20 minutes a night
    2. Nurse has been developed; 2 years in junior, 3rd pairing, 2nd pairing 1st pairing w/ Larsson
    3. Puljujarvi; 3rd line with Strome, and pro like Lucic
    4. PK is working again, proves adaptability
    5. PP is not working
    6. Goaltending was bad this year
    7. Kassian look like a professional hockey vs. crazy man he was before

    Once the players are on the ice it is on them to make a difference.

    This is true but it took trading Letestu and 60 games of the regular season!

  89. pts2pndr says:

    Bobcaygeon: If McDavid is the only person the other teams need to key on during a PP how does the PP get better?
    Look at the job both Suter & Backland did against McDavid, you shut McDavid down the rest follow…
    That ain’t on the coaches.

    Seriously? Whose responsibility is it to come up with a game plan to counter this ? Maybe by your rational we really don’t need a coach! Let the players figure it out!

  90. HT Joe says:

    frjohnk: If one puts Talbot in the “Meh” category, then it just adds to Chias body of work that just has not been good enough.

    Not if we allocate the Talbot trade to MacT, who apparently arranged this trade prior to Chia’s hiring, and Sather simply honoured the deal.

    (I never thought that line of reasoning would save Chia, but here we are). 😀

  91. "Steve Smith" says:

    Woogie63,

    The Oilers missed the playoffs – handily – in a season in which they were Stanley Cup favourites. Everybody will understand why people are getting fired for this. Edmonton will be a laughingstock if people don’t get fired for it.

    As for the notion that the various things the cirt and team have working against will dissuade any quality candidates from accepting coaching or GM jobs, I have two counterpoints. The longer one is that there are 31 NHL GMing jobs, and 31 NHL head coaching jobs. With the very occasional exception, any candidate for any of them would rathewr have any of them than have none of them – if Edmonton’s are the ones that are available, then Edmonton’s are the ones that candidates will accept.

    The second counter-point is McDavid.

  92. Woogie63 says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    Woogie63,

    The Oilers missed the playoffs – handily – in a season in which they were Stanley Cup favourites.Everybody will understand why people are getting fired for this.Edmonton will be a laughingstock if people don’t get fired for it.

    As for the notion that the various things the cirt and team have working against will dissuade any quality candidates from accepting coaching or GM jobs, I have two counterpoints.The longer one is that there are 31 NHL GMing jobs, and 31 NHL head coaching jobs.With the very occasional exception, any candidate for any of them would rathewr have any of them than have none of them – if Edmonton’s are the ones that are available, then Edmonton’s are the ones that candidates will accept.

    The second counter-point is McDavid.

    My counter point to your counter points would be;

    2016/17 TBL did not panic and does not panic
    Cooper looks smarter with healthy players

    2018/19 Hurricanes are having GM candidates turn down a NHL job

  93. frjohnk says:

    Woogie63: 2016/17 TBL

    they had injuries and an off year ended up with 94 points and missed playoffs by 1 point.

    We have an off year and are closer to finishing dead last than entering a playoff spot.

  94. frjohnk says:

    Woogie63: 2018/19 Hurricanes are having GM candidates turn down a NHL job

    Wasnt the Canes owner only going to pay the new GM something like $400,000?

    If the Oilers GM and or coaching spot opens up, there will be no doubt good multiple candidates. Katz has the money to handsomely reward the new guy (s)
    And who wouldnt want to the guy to turn this team around and become a Stanley Cup contender with McDavid in the fold?
    I bet quite a few

  95. slopitch says:

    I could get behind Chai firing the coach and giving him one more chance. He does an ok job at the draft table and in development and its a key time for that to be done properly right now. Firing a GM right before the draft is a just odd timing given its the most important time of the season. Im not gonna excuse Chai for trading picks for Reinhardt and Talbot (the Reinhardt trade was just horrible) but I can see why he’d question his scouts at the time. If you fire Chai its next January imo.

  96. Wayne Kenov says:

    frjohnk: they had injuries and an off year ended up with 94 points and missed playoffs by 1 point.

    We have an off year and are closer to finishing dead last than entering a playoff spot.

    Frjohnk is fake news.

  97. tubes says:

    Love your holiday posts LT. Happy Easter, Passover or spring to all of you.

  98. Wayne Kenov says:

    frjohnk: Wasnt the Canes owner only going to pay the new GM something like $400,000?

    If the Oilers GM and or coaching spot opens up, there will be no doubt good multiple candidates.Katz has the money to handsomely reward the new guy (s)
    And who wouldnt want to the guy to turn this team around and become a Stanley Cup contender with McDavid in the fold?
    I bet quite a few

    How awesome would it be if he hired an outside voice at that number, then blew all the old dogs out of the water?

  99. sliderule says:

    I am with the group that feel that the oilers can’t rely on Talbot to bounce back.

    If you can fit someone under the cap to compete with him go for it.

    If you have to trade him to find a replacement they have to take the chance .

  100. frjohnk says:

    Wayne Kenov: frjohnk: they had injuries and an off year ended up with 94 points and missed playoffs by 1 point.

    We have an off year and are closer to finishing dead last than entering a playoff spot.

    Frjohnk is fake news.

    Oilers are 12 points ahead of Sabres who are in last place.
    Oilers are 18 points behind the Avs for last playoff spot in the West.

    A narrative backed up by facts.

    Yup. Fake news.

  101. leadfarmer says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Too much $$$

    We’d do this deal in a heartbeat. We could just flip Brodie. He’s still pretty well regarded around the league and only has a 8 team NTC

  102. JimmyV1965 says:

    Woogie63: My counter point to your counter points would be;

    2016/17 TBL did not panic and does not panic
    Cooper looks smarter with healthy players

    2018/19 Hurricanes are having GM candidates turn down a NHL job

    These situations are not similar beyond a superficial level.

    Tampa came inches from making the playoffs without one of their best players. I’m sure their special teams were not a garbage fire like ours.

    Carolina will find a GM no problem and a good one if they follow good hiring practices. But the guys who turned it down are in the middle of a season. These guys have many options. I’m not sure any GM with options is interested in a position where the owner clearly wants to be involved in a meaningful way. More so than any other team in the NHL I believe. And before someone counters with the OBC, it’s not the same situation.

  103. JimmyV1965 says:

    Wayne Kenov: How awesome would it be if he hired an outside voice at that number, then blew all the old dogs out of the water?

    Could easily happen. That would be frickin incredible though. I would much rather have a guy with a successful track record in business than a former player with no experience. I’m not writing off the new owner as being an anchor either. He’s just running the team differently than other teams. He will likely fail, but he might be wildly successful.

  104. speeds says:

    sliderule:

    I am with the group that feel that the oilers can’t rely on Talbot to bounce back.

    If you can fit someone under the cap to compete with him go for it.

    If you have to trade him to find a replacement they have to take the chance .

    The other issue is, say he does bounce back. What kind of contract are both sides now looking for?

  105. Wayne Kenov says:

    frjohnk: Oilers are 12 points ahead of Sabres who are in last place.
    Oilers are 18 points behind the Avs for last playoff spot in the West.

    A narrative backed up by facts.

    Yup.Fake news.

    There was sarcasm on my post, though probably not enough. People arguing bounce back to contender have lost the plot.

  106. Wayne Kenov says:

    JimmyV1965: Could easily happen. That would be frickin incredible though. I would much rather have a guy with a successful track record in business than a former player with no experience. I’m not writing off the new owner as being an anchor either. He’s just running the team differently than other teams. He will likely fail, but he might be wildly successful.

    I think it would be interesting. Let the scouts do their job, and don’t get bogged down in biases like our good Ol’ western boy bias. At the same time though, Len Rhodes is a Moron compared to Hervey, yet somehow is able to fire him.

  107. Pescador says:

    slopitch:
    I could get behind Chai firing the coach and giving him one more chance. He does an ok job at the draft table and in development and its a key time for that to be done properly right now. Firing a GM right before the draft is a just odd timing given its the most important time of the season. Im not gonna excuse Chai for trading picks for Reinhardt and Talbot (the Reinhardt trade was just horrible) but I can see why he’d question his scouts at the time. If you fire Chai its next January imo.

    The Oilers drafting under Chiarelli appears to have improved, smaller trades have shown good returns and roster improvements.
    On the bright side, Chiarelli has painted himself into a space with no Cap to dole out any more bloated contracts.
    Although we will have to wait and see what the inevitable overpay is on the Nurse contract.
    He has 2 cards to play RNH & Klefbom,
    Forgive me if I’m not feeling optimistic about this coming offseason

  108. mustang says:

    Pescador:
    Although we will have to wait and see what the inevitable overpay is on the Nurse contract.
    He has 2 cards to play RNH & Klefbom,
    Forgive me if I’m not feeling optimistic about this coming offseason

    I’m optimistic that RNH and Kbomb won’t be traded unless it’s a clear win. No more bleeding talent to fit organization need. Those cards have been played and this must stop. Nurse needs a bridge contract

  109. Pescador says:

    mustang: I’m optimistic that RNH and Kbomb won’t be traded unless it’s a clear win. No more bleeding talent to fit organization need. Those cards have been played and this must stop. Nurse needs a bridge contract

    These are roster decisions we would both approve of,
    Peter Chiarelli has a track record that says: don’t hold your breath

  110. Scungilli Slushy says:

    sliderule:
    I am with the group that feel that the oilers can’t rely on Talbot to bounce back.

    If you can fit someone under the cap to compete with him go for it.

    If you have to trade him to find a replacement they have to take the chance .

    I’m with you. The jury is out. How I would proceed depends on whom I could get. If it’s Grubaeur and he looks good I pump Talbot and trade him for assets while looking for a #2.

    If I can sign guys with better stability in SV% I sign them and trade CT for what I can get. We’re past giving benefit of doubt with him IMO.

    He just hasn’t been able to establish as a solid #1, no blame on him, few can.

    But Connor’s time now doesn’t accommodate being sentimental, which I am prone to. Or was. Cam has made his payday, has had a starter’s role after his years of toil, not a bad career and it isn’t over, and he’s set if he’s not a fool with money.

    The Oilers need less old school thinking and also less sentimentalism if they want to be ongoing contenders. The reality is most players have short careers and especially on the best teams. Only the core and those willing to give up salary potential for success stay. I think those types are few.

    Don’t waste this Oilers. As in Chevy sticking with Pavelec and torpedoing his good team. I feel goaltending is the biggest story of this season between the 3 that played.

  111. GMB3 says:

    Bobcaygeon: He had no one to out play…and still didn’t register a goal in 9 games.

    By this logic milan Lucic probably shouldn’t make the team. It’s an inditement of how shitty our Gm is that KY outplayed the other options at right wing. He had 3 assists in 9 games and the fancies looked great in that time. If one of the posts he hit went in, would your panties still be in a knot?

  112. Lowetide says:

    I’m having to delete posts simply because folks are trolling. Please comment respectfully, or leave. Thanks.

  113. Lowetide says:

    tubes:
    Love your holiday posts LT. Happy Easter, Passover or spring to all of you.

    Thanks, Tubes!

  114. GMB3 says:

    JimmyV1965: KY did make the team on merit. He might have been one of the best players in the entire NHL during the preseason.But Tmac and Chia should understand the value of preseason play and be more astute and mature in their player development.Unless you’re Connor frickin McDavid or Taylor Hall, every player needs to spend time in the AHL. That’s what good teams do. Bad teams keep doing what we do.

    Most elite offensive talent doesn’t spend much of any time in the AHL in the salary cap world. If you can contribute offensively on your ELC, you’ll play.

    I don’t understand. Should we not have a preseason? So if a 19 year old outplays a 22 year old he should still be sent down? I don’t understand that line of thinking. Sergachev is in the NHL as a 20 year old D, Tampa is pretty good.

    LT continually states this. Offensively talented players tend to spend little to no time in the AHL and it’s been that way for years. The best players should play on the big club regardless of age

  115. Lowetide says:

    GMB3: Most elite offensive talent doesn’t spend much of any time in the AHL in the salary cap world. If you can contribute offensively on your ELC, you’ll play.

    I don’t understand. Should we not have a preseason? So if a 19 year old outplays a 22 year old he should still be sent down? I don’t understand that line of thinking. Sergachev is in the NHL as a 20 year old D, Tampa is pretty good.

    LT continually states this. Offensively talented players tend to spend little to no time in the AHL and it’s been that way for years. The best players should play on the big club regardless of age

    Agree completely. If Yamamoto has exactly the same TC as a year ago, he’ll be on the roster. I don’t have any doubt about it. Guys who are skilled and spend time in the AHL, like Rob Schremp, often don’t make it at all. Yamamoto has a very good chance to make the team in the fall.

  116. Pescador says:

    Lowetide: Agree completely. If Yamamoto has exactly the same TC as a year ago, he’ll be on the roster. I don’t have any doubt about it. Guys who are skilled and spend time in the AHL, like Rob Schremp, often don’t make it at all. Yamamoto has a very good chance to make the team in the fall.

    Yup,
    1 part skill
    1 part lack of a better option

  117. JimmyV1965 says:

    I was reading an article at ON and they named RHD Logan Day. I have no idea who this kid is and how we got him. All I know is he’s a RHD with great numbers playing in a US college league I’ve never heard of. Can anyone shed light on this guy?

  118. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Jethro Tull: By definition, a backup goalie capable of 60gms isn’t a backup.

    I know. Big worries here.

  119. Scungilli Slushy says:

    GMB3: Most elite offensive talent doesn’t spend much of any time in the AHL in the salary cap world. If you can contribute offensively on your ELC, you’ll play.

    I don’t understand. Should we not have a preseason? So if a 19 year old outplays a 22 year old he should still be sent down? I don’t understand that line of thinking. Sergachev is in the NHL as a 20 year old D, Tampa is pretty good.

    LT continually states this. Offensively talented players tend to spend little to no time in the AHL and it’s been that way for years. The best players should play on the big club regardless of age

    Add that Yama isn’t going to make it as anything but an offensive talent. There is nothing for him to learn in the A except playing against men. I would still want him to force the issue. It shouldn’t take more than a few weeks if he’s the goods.

    ***Unless he blows TC out of the water.

  120. Lowetide says:

    JimmyV1965:
    I was reading an article at ON and they named RHD Logan Day. I have no idea who this kid is and how we got him. All I know is he’s a RHD with great numbers playing in a US college league I’ve never heard of.Can anyone shed light on this guy?

    He signed an ATO with Bakersfield. In many ways he’s a more compelling prospect than Colin Larkin. RD, he is 23, also from Division 3 NCAA.
    http://www.ecgulls.com/sports/mice/2017-18/releases/20180318j3huzx

    http://www.ecgulls.com/sports/mice/2017-18/releases/20180305px90vf

    Day is an offensive defender who has a high skill level and also possesses some speed. The 6’1” right-shot D scored 38 points (15-23-38) in 26 games this past season.
    http://thesportsdaily.com/the-oilers-rig/oilers-sign-colin-larkin-logan-day-to-atos/

    https://proskilldevelopment.com/news/day-signs-ahl/

  121. Pescador says:

    Scungilli Slushy,

    That’s all well and good,
    problem with young players is they hit a physical wall.
    takes a couple years to build up the stamina needed for 82 games.
    That’s why JP has faded & so many before him

  122. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Pescador:
    Scungilli Slushy,

    That’s all well and good,
    problem with young players is they hit a physical wall.takes a couple years to build up the stamina needed for 82 games.
    That’s why JP has faded & so many before him

    For sure. I think Yama should have less issues here as he’s not growing as much. He needs to fill out a much smaller frame, neither are likely getting much taller, less energy expended there than JP.

    There is only so much a body can do at once. Yama should also be able to add whatever strength he can more quickly because of size, less mass and less potential for mass.

    Correct me Vor if need be.

  123. godot10 says:

    Lowetide: Agree completely. If Yamamoto has exactly the same TC as a year ago, he’ll be on the roster. I don’t have any doubt about it. Guys who are skilled and spend time in the AHL, like Rob Schremp, often don’t make it at all. Yamamoto has a very good chance to make the team in the fall.

    Of the small skilled forwards coming out of the WHL in the last decade, only Eberle has played in the NHL immediately without a season in the AHL. A year for Yamamoto in the AHL is likely, and would not represent any failure or diminishment of his future potential.

  124. JimmyV1965 says:

    GMB3: Most elite offensive talent doesn’t spend much of any time in the AHL in the salary cap world. If you can contribute offensively on your ELC, you’ll play.

    I don’t understand. Should we not have a preseason? So if a 19 year old outplays a 22 year old he should still be sent down? I don’t understand that line of thinking. Sergachev is in the NHL as a 20 year old D, Tampa is pretty good.

    LT continually states this. Offensively talented players tend to spend little to no time in the AHL and it’s been that way for years. The best players should play on the big club regardless of age

    I think this is mostly a myth. Very few players arrive in the NHL without spending time in the AHL, KHL, or some league with adults. Of course there are exceptions and the superstars. Certainly this team has proven time and time again that it has zero ability to judge which players should jump straight to the NHL. This team should err on the side of caution.

  125. JimmyV1965 says:

    Pescador: Yup,
    1 part skill
    1 part lack of a better option

    This is the problem with the Oil. Too many kids get rushed because lack of a better option.

  126. JimmyV1965 says:

    Lowetide: He signed an ATO with Bakersfield. In many ways he’s a more compelling prospect than Colin Larkin. RD, he is 23, also from Division 3 NCAA.
    http://www.ecgulls.com/sports/mice/2017-18/releases/20180318j3huzx

    http://www.ecgulls.com/sports/mice/2017-18/releases/20180305px90vf

    Day is an offensive defender who has a high skill level and also possesses some speed. The 6’1” right-shot D scored 38 points (15-23-38) in 26 games this past season.
    http://thesportsdaily.com/the-oilers-rig/oilers-sign-colin-larkin-logan-day-to-atos/

    https://proskilldevelopment.com/news/day-signs-ahl/

    Thanks LT.

  127. GMB3 says:

    JimmyV1965: I think this is mostly a myth. Very few players arrive in the NHL without spending time in the AHL, KHL, or some league with adults. Of course there are exceptions and the superstars. Certainly this team has proven time and time again that it has zero ability to judge which players should jump straight to the NHL. This team should err on the side of caution.

    Jordan Eberle went straight from the WHL. Was that a mistake?

    I think what your saying is mostly a myth. I think most top 6 forwards, especially players drafted in the first round, spend little to no time in the AHL.

    This team has shown time and time again that it has zero ability? Are you referring to the Oilers historically? Or this management group? I feel this management group has done decent with the D, as has the organization. Davidson, Petry, Nurse. Bear getting a cup of coffeee after starting in the A.

  128. Pescador says:

    godot10: Of the small skilled forwards coming out of the WHL in the last decade, only Eberle has played in the NHL immediately without a season in the AHL.A year for Yamamoto in the AHL is likely, and would not represent any failure or diminishment of his future potential.

    Admiral in the AHL is the right thing to do,
    I say less than 10% chance this happens,
    We will know the answer before training camp is done

  129. Pescador says:

    JimmyV1965: This is the problem with the Oil. Too many kids get rushed because lack of a better option.

    The reluctance to sign veteran cover on the cheap is hard to understand,
    However, those bargain NHLers are looking to sign with a potential winner.
    I would not place the Oilers in that group,
    plus our Pro scouts are part of the problem

  130. Woogie63 says:

    JimmyV1965: These situations are not similar beyond a superficial level.

    Tampa came inches from making the playoffs without one of their best players. I’m sure their special teams were not a garbage fire like ours.

    Carolina will find a GM no problem and a good one if they follow good hiring practices. But the guys who turned it down are in the middle of a season. These guys have many options. I’m not sure any GM with options is interested in a position where the owner clearly wants to be involved in a meaningful way. More so than any other team in the NHL I believe. And before someone counters with the OBC, it’s not the same situation.

    http://www.tampabay.com/sports/hockey/lightning/How-Lightning-coach-Jon-Cooper-reinvented-himself_163500388

  131. Lowetide says:

    godot10: Of the small skilled forwards coming out of the WHL in the last decade, only Eberle has played in the NHL immediately without a season in the AHL.A year for Yamamoto in the AHL is likely, and would not represent any failure or diminishment of his future potential.

    I agree it wouldn’t hurt him, I don’t agree he’ll get it.

  132. JimmyV1965 says:

    GMB3: Jordan Eberle went straight from the WHL. Was that a mistake?

    I think what your saying is mostly a myth. I think most top 6 forwards, especially players drafted in the first round, spend little to no time in the AHL.

    This team has shown time and time again that it has zero ability? Are you referring to the Oilers historically? Or this management group? I feel this management group has done decent with the D, as has the organization. Davidson, Petry, Nurse. Bear getting a cup of coffeee after starting in the A.

    I don’t know. I started going through the teams starting with in the Atlantic, and the vast majority of top six guys played in the AHL, KHL, or the NCAA. There’s a bunch of exceptions, but most of those are very high draft picks. There’s some later first round picks too, but not many. Certainly not the majority.

  133. JimmyV1965 says:

    Pescador: The reluctance to sign veteran cover on the cheap is hard to understand,
    However, those bargain NHLers are looking to sign with a potential winner.
    I would not place the Oilers in that group,
    plus our Pro scouts are part of the problem

    We need to sign guys like Versteeg to provide cover for guys like Yammer.

  134. hunter1909 says:

    Lowetide: Guys who are skilled and spend time in the AHL, like Rob Schremp, often don’t make it at all.

    Another Rob Schremp was let down by Oiler fans myth.

    Schremp gets drafted by Lowe+MacT. Oilers haven’t even got a farm team, so Schremp goes to another team who’s coach has zero interest in his development; but he manages to still put up decent if not promising numbers… until fast forward until Schremp, some say out of sheer spite from MacT scores 3 points in 4 games even winning a 2nd star one night and MacT – with his trademark middle school shop schoolteacher persona sends Schremp back broken hearted etc, etc.

  135. leadfarmer says:

    Man Schneider doesn’t even get the second of a back2back. How the mighty have fallen.

  136. leadfarmer says:

    Grubauer is showing this season why I was shocked he wasn’t picked in the expansion draft.

  137. godot10 says:

    GMB3: Jordan Eberle went straight from the WHL. Was that a mistake?

    I think what your saying is mostly a myth. I think most top 6 forwards, especially players drafted in the first round, spend little to no time in the AHL.

    Name one small forward from the WHL in the last decade other than Eberle who has done it.

    With Yamamoto, other than his draft year, and unlike Eberle, his goal-scoring is not particularly remarkable. So Yamamoto is yet another passer who will be passing mostly to forwards who are mostly incapable of scoring on the Oilers 3rd line.

  138. godot10 says:

    leadfarmer:
    Grubauer is showing this season why I was shocked he wasn’t picked in the expansion draft.

    Marc-Andre Fleury and Nate Schmidt…that is why.

  139. Confused says:

    Kucherov with nothing, definitely all over

  140. VOR says:

    You all know the story of The Backup. Though maybe we forget the message at the heart of the story.

    So there was this outstanding team with a horrible Achilles Heel. A backup goalie far worse than Al Montoya. He was drafted at the tail end of a mediocre draft. As our story starts he is ten years post draft. Two of those years were spent being a mediocre backup in the minors. Our story begins in his fourth year as a mediocre NHL backup.

    A quarter of the season into the 1993-94 season this team lost its Hall of Fame starting goaltender for the season. Suddenly the team’s fate rested on finding a new starter. John Muckler the GM was working the phones desperately trying to find a starter while watching his journeyman backup flop around like a dead fish. By the middle of the second period of the first game the backup played as a starter Muckler put the phone down.

    Over the next 58 games the backup posted a .930 SVP and a 1.95 goal against. By the end of that season the backup had a cool nickname. They called him The Dominator.

    Yup before he became the best player in hockey Dominik Hasek was a truly mediocre backup more than 10 years post draft.

    The message is simple. Goaltenders are voodoo.

  141. Pescador says:

    godot10: Name one small forward from the WHL in the last decade other than Eberle who has done it.

    With Yamamoto, other than his draft year, and unlike Eberle, his goal-scoring is not particularly remarkable.So Yamamoto is yet another passer who will be passing mostly to forwards who are mostly incapable of scoring on the Oilers 3rd line.

    Thing is Eberle did spend time in the AHL albeit Lock out assisted

  142. Wilde says:

    godot10: Name one small forward from the WHL in the last decade other than Eberle who has done it.

    With Yamamoto, other than his draft year, and unlike Eberle, his goal-scoring is not particularly remarkable.So Yamamoto is yet another passer who will be passing mostly to forwards who are mostly incapable of scoring on the Oilers 3rd line.

    How do you divorce the the possibility that these WHLers were NHL ready during the period they spent in the lower leagues from your theory here?

    I think a lot of these guys didn’t actually need the lower league time, they just didn’t get the oppurtunity to prove otherwise.

    For example Marshessault and Gourde were likely already ready after the first season or two they played pro, but they toiled for awhile and now the story is they took a long time to develop.

    Brayden Point is another example. He went back to Moose Jaw in a similar fashion to the way Yamamoto would, then played 9 AHL games and was called up for life. I don’t think the last year he spent in the WHL actually did anything for the guy.

  143. Georges says:

    godot10: Name one small forward from the WHL in the last decade other than Eberle who has done it.

    With Yamamoto, other than his draft year, and unlike Eberle, his goal-scoring is not particularly remarkable.So Yamamoto is yet another passer who will be passing mostly to forwards who are mostly incapable of scoring on the Oilers 3rd line.

    I’m not sure I understand. Eberle’s hockeydb page shows he played in the AHL and in the WHL in his draft+1 and his draft+2.

  144. godot10 says:

    Georges: I’m not sure I understand. Eberle’s hockeydb page shows he played in the AHL and in the WHL in his draft+1 and his draft+2.

    Getting a few games in after his CHL season finished in Regina doesn’t really count. We talking after junior eligibility has expired, Eberle didn’t see AHL time. The exception for small WHL forwards.

  145. Georges says:

    Wilde,

    “Brayden Point is another example. He went back to Moose Jaw in a similar fashion to the way Yamamoto would, then played 9 AHL games and was called up for life. I don’t think the last year he spent in the WHL actually did anything for the guy.”

    I don’t get this either. Again, according to hockeydb, after his 9 games in the AHL, he went back to Moose Jaw the next season (15-16) and was on the TBL roster the following season (16-17), his draft+3 if I have that right. He wasn’t called up after his 9 AHL games in 14-15.

    ??

  146. Georges says:

    godot10: Getting a few games in after his CHL season finished in Regina doesn’t really count.We talking after junior eligibility has expired, Eberle didn’t see AHL time.The exception for small WHL forwards.

    Eberle made it to the league in his draft+3, correct?

    Let’s leave the small out of it because KY is really small, not much in terms of comparables.

    Can I look for WHL players making it to the NHL in their draft+3 or before or is there more nuance I’m (clearly) missing?

  147. godot10 says:

    Wilde: How do you divorce the the possibility that these WHLers were NHL readyduring the period they spent in the lower leagues from your theory here?

    I think a lot of these guys didn’t actually need the lower league time, they just didn’t get the oppurtunity to prove otherwise.

    For example Marshessault and Gourde were likely already ready after the first season or two they played pro, but they toiled for awhile and now the story is they took a long time to develop.

    Brayden Point is another example. He went back to Moose Jaw in a similar fashion to the way Yamamoto would, then played 9 AHL games and was called up for life. I don’t think the last year he spent in the WHL actually did anything for the guy.

    I guess Brayden Point is the 2nd example of a guy who did it. So only two in the last decade. Eberle and Point. Both are much better and consistent goal-scorers than Yamamoto.

    It will be interesting to see if Sam Steel does it next year, although he is not exactly small…i.e. Nugent-Hopkins’s sized.

  148. wood99 says:

    If we get the 5/7 pick,do you try and trade it to the islanders for their 2 first round picks and do you think we would have to add.

  149. Scungilli Slushy says:

    VOR:
    You all know the story of The Backup. Though maybe we forget the message at the heart of the story.

    So there was this outstanding team with a horrible Achilles Heel. A backup goalie far worse than Al Montoya. He was drafted at the tail end of a mediocre draft. As our story starts he is ten years post draft. Two of those years were spent being a mediocre backup in the minors. Our story begins in his fourth year as a mediocre NHL backup.

    A quarter of the season into the 1993-94 season this team lost its Hall of Fame starting goaltender for the season. Suddenly the team’s fate rested on finding a new starter. John Muckler the GM was working the phones desperately trying to find a starter while watching his journeyman backup flop around like a dead fish. By the middle of the second period of the first game the backup played as a starter Muckler put the phone down.

    Over the next 58 games the backup posted a .930 SVP and a 1.95 goal against. By the end of that season the backup had a cool nickname. They called him The Dominator.

    Yup before he became the best player in hockey Dominik Hasek was a truly mediocre backup more than 10 years post draft.

    The message is simple. Goaltenders are voodoo.

    Thee was this skinny kid who kept getting elevated to play with older kids, and kept doing crazy scoring, and then became the greatest player who ever played hockey.

  150. Georges says:

    Curtis Lazar
    Sam Reinhart

    ?

    Evander Kane
    RNH

    ??

    But, yeah, godot, it looks like you’re right.

    Very few late first round forward picks make the league as regulars in their draft+1. And there aren’t many comparables for someone KY’s size making it as a regular at his age.

    DeBrincat, Arvidsson…

  151. Ryan says:

    godot10: I guess Brayden Point is the 2nd example of a guy who did it.So only two in the last decade. Eberle and Point.Both are much better and consistent goal-scorers than Yamamoto.

    It will be interesting to see if Sam Steel does it next year, although he is not exactly small…i.e. Nugent-Hopkins’s sized.

    Hm. Brayden Point.

    2 inches taller than Yamomoto and picked 79th ov with 36 g and 91 points in 72 games in his draft year.

    And he’s a right shot centre.

    Why can’t we have nice things?

  152. Lowetide says:

    godot10: I guess Brayden Point is the 2nd example of a guy who did it.So only two in the last decade. Eberle and Point.Both are much better and consistent goal-scorers than Yamamoto.

    It will be interesting to see if Sam Steel does it next year, although he is not exactly small…i.e. Nugent-Hopkins’s sized.

    This study is getting more and more narrow every time. We are looking for:

    1. WHL forwards who
    2. Played and flourished in the NHL at age 20
    3. Are small

    We have two names, Point and Eberle. How many small WHL forwards chosen at the back of the first round DIDN’T make the NHL at age 20? Because, you know, maybe the number is 5. If there were five small whl forwards taken in the back end of the draft over 10 years, and two of them made it, that’s 40 percent.

  153. VOR says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Thee was this skinny kid who kept getting elevated to play with older kids, and kept doing crazy scoring, and then became the greatest player who ever played hockey.

    Wayne Gretzky on the downhill side of his career is the one who crowned Dominik Hasek the best player in hockey. He didn’t say the greatest ever just the best of that era. Thus, before Wayne Gretzky named him the best player in hockey Hasek was a mediocre NHL backup goalie.

    Goalies are voodoo. The mediocre backup won 6 Vezina trophies and was the league’s most valuable player twice. And impressed the hell out of Wayne Gretzky.

  154. Wilde says:

    Georges:
    Wilde,

    “Brayden Point is another example. He went back to Moose Jaw in a similar fashion to the way Yamamoto would, then played 9 AHL games and was called up for life. I don’t think the last year he spent in the WHL actually did anything for the guy.”

    I don’t get this either. Again, according to hockeydb, after his 9 games in the AHL, he went back to Moose Jaw the next season (15-16) and was on the TBL roster the following season (16-17), his draft+3 if I have that right. He wasn’t called up after his 9 AHL games in 14-15.

    ??

    Sorry for the confusion friend, I was just getting ready to go out and rushed the post, you’re 100% correct.

    Here’s where I was mistaken… I thought it was 9 games AHL 15-16 after the MJW season ended like the looks Safin is getting now, and then breaking camp the next year. Call up was never the right phrasing.

    Point remains, however.

    Actually, I’m not certain it at all changes the lesson.

    Lowetide,

    Flourishing in the NHL in general as criteria narrows almost every pool of hockey players into a very, very small study.

    In general I think it’s a mistake to not attempt something simply because it hasn’t been done before. The argument against has to be stronger.

  155. Wilde says:

    Here’s an undersized CHLer for ya:

    Travis Konecny.

    Late birthday, 68 in 60 with the 67’s.

    Next year they sucked, but he put up 45 in 28 before going to the Sarnia Sting.

    56 in 30.

    Next year, NHL. Philly sucked.

    He scored:

    2.38 points per hour 5v5 with Couturier. 302 minutes.

    1.20 with Schenn. 250.

    Total on the season was 1.55 5v5 points per hour.

    Those were his centres for any non-tiny sample size.

    Now, onto this year. They put him with depth centres to start, moved him around.

    106 minutes with Nolan Patrick, 1.13/60.

    231 minutes with Filppula, 1.04/60.

    Then he went onto the top line with Couturier and Giroux.

    16 goals, 13 assists in 529 minutes.

    3.28/60.

    They smashed the Bergeron line today, and he scored this goal:

    https://streamable.com/3ciw9

    We have the weapons to float these kids on skill lines. We really do.

  156. Bling says:

    Lowetide: This study is getting more and more narrow every time. We are looking for:

    1. WHL forwards who
    2. Played and flourished in the NHL at age 20
    3. Are small

    We have two names, Point and Eberle. How many small WHL forwards chosen at the back of the first round DIDN’T make the NHL at age 20? Because, you know, maybe the number is 5. If there were five small whl forwards taken in the back end of the draft over 10 years, and two of them made it, that’s 40 percent.

    Also, why doesn’t Barzal count? 6’0 for a C is not that big, and he only scored 10 goals in his final junior campaign.

  157. Bling says:

    Wilde:
    Here’s an undersized CHLer for ya:

    Travis Konecny.

    Late birthday, 68 in 60 with the 67’s.

    Next year they sucked, but he put up 45 in 28 before going to the Sarnia Sting.

    56 in 30.

    Next year, NHL. Philly sucked.

    He scored:

    2.38 points per hour 5v5 with Couturier. 302 minutes.

    1.20 with Schenn. 250.

    Total on the season was 1.55 5v5 points per hour.

    Those were his centres for any non-tiny sample size.

    Now, onto this year. They put him with depth centres to start, moved him around.

    106 minutes with Nolan Patrick, 1.13/60.

    231 minutes with Filppula, 1.04/60.

    Then he went onto the top line with Couturier and Giroux.

    16 goals, 13 assists in 529 minutes.

    3.28/60.

    They smashed the Bergeron line today, and he scored this goal:

    https://streamable.com/3ciw9

    We have the weapons to float these kids on skill lines. We really do.

    Picked up Konecky in my pool one I found out he was on the top line. He has been on fire for ~1/2 a season now.

  158. Confused says:

    Just reading NSH puts Tolvanen straight on the 1st and give him PP

    Yet JP gets looch

    Perhaps I am confused about which team is a contender

  159. Gret99zky says:

    Noticed:

    My little cup of Tim’s has changed to a barking black dog.

  160. SwedishPoster says:

    VOR:
    You all know the story of The Backup. Though maybe we forget the message at the heart of the story.

    So there was this outstanding team with a horrible Achilles Heel. A backup goalie far worse than Al Montoya. He was drafted at the tail end of a mediocre draft. As our story starts he is ten years post draft. Two of those years were spent being a mediocre backup in the minors. Our story begins in his fourth year as a mediocre NHL backup.

    A quarter of the season into the 1993-94 season this team lost its Hall of Fame starting goaltender for the season. Suddenly the team’s fate rested on finding a new starter. John Muckler the GM was working the phones desperately trying to find a starter while watching his journeyman backup flop around like a dead fish. By the middle of the second period of the first game the backup played as a starter Muckler put the phone down.

    Over the next 58 games the backup posted a .930 SVP and a 1.95 goal against. By the end of that season the backup had a cool nickname. They called him The Dominator.

    Yup before he became the best player in hockey Dominik Hasek was a truly mediocre backup more than 10 years post draft.

    The message is simple. Goaltenders are voodoo.

    Before Hasek came over to the NHL he was already considered one of, if not the, most talented goalie of all time in europe so his early struggles in NA was probably a combo of adapting to a new country, smaller ice and opportunity. He was a regular for the czech NT since he was 17 and was easily seen as the best goalie in the world by hockey people with a euro perspective when he left for the NHL. He was certainly not a late bloomer who suddenly came into his own, this was a guy who was already a superstar and for some reason struggled his first few NHL years. When he had his 1.95 gaa season the reaction in this part of the world was more one of, yeah ofc he dominates, what took him so long.

  161. Professor Q says:

    GMB3: Jordan Eberle went straight from the WHL. Was that a mistake?

    I think what your saying is mostly a myth. I think most top 6 forwards, especially players drafted in the first round, spend little to no time in the AHL.

    This team has shown time and time again that it has zero ability? Are you referring to the Oilers historically? Or this management group? I feel this management group has done decent with the D, as has the organization. Davidson, Petry, Nurse. Bear getting a cup of coffeee after starting in the A.

    Eberle had significant time in the AHL, actually, all things considered (and contrasted with “straight to the NHL”).

  162. Wilde says:

    SwedishPoster,

    Late replying here, but have you seen any of Dominik Bokk’s play this year?

    He appears to have played 15 games at the men’s level from NHL.com, but from Swedish hockey articles I’m google translating(god help me) it looks like he’s playing in the J20 playoffs after 1 goal in 9 games with the SHL.

    Not sure if you watch the J20’s, but if you do, what do you think of him?

  163. SwedishPoster says:

    Wilde:
    SwedishPoster,

    Late replying here, but have you seen any of Dominik Bokk’s play this year?

    He appears to have played 15 games at the men’s level from NHL.com, but from Swedish hockey articles I’m google translating(god help me) it looks like he’s playing in the J20 playoffs after 1 goal in 9 games with the SHL.

    Not sure if you watch the J20’s, but if you do, what do you think of him?

    Don’t watch much u20, usually just bits and pieces but I’ve seen Bokk in the SHL and some u20 highlights. He’s a quick kid with really good hands, capable of both finishing and setting up teammates. He’s been real impressive coming from a lower level and getting games in the SHL straight away. The plan was to ease him in with the junior team but he just came and was dominant off the bat. Hard to tell what his upside is due to the big step up in competition, how good will he be once fully settled, but he’s certainly a first rounder for me.

  164. trencan says:

    SwedishPoster: Before Hasek came over to the NHL he was alreadyconsidered one of, if not the, most talented goalie of all time in europe so his early struggles in NA was probably a combo of adapting to a new country, smaller ice and opportunity. He was a regular for the czech NT since he was 17 and was easily seen as the best goalie in the world by hockey people with a euro perspective when he left for the NHL. He was certainly not a late bloomer who suddenly came into his own, this was a guy who was already a superstar and for some reason struggled his first few NHL years. When he had his 1.95 gaa season the reaction in this part of the world was more one of, yeah ofc he dominates, what took him so long.

    Exactly, Hasan as 18 years old became youngest goalie in Czechoslovakia national team in history which really means something. He won 2 times league title in one the best league in Europe these times. I think Belfour was the first goalie in Chicago when Hasan was backup…

    I still think you NA guys underestimate and ignore european leagues. I personally would prefer many young european players who were drafted to continue in development in european leagues, just stay and play against men. It would help in my opinion also to Jesse Puljujarva, but I understand they need to adapt to NA style and are closer to NHL (more on eyes) in junior leagues like WHL, OHL…

  165. leadfarmer says:

    Confused:
    Just reading NSH puts Tolvanen straight on the 1st and give him PP

    Yet JP gets looch

    Perhaps I am confused about which team is a contender

    For one game. Then ice time vanished

  166. russ99 says:

    Talbot’s decline is systemic.

    Our forwards and defensemen hung him out to dry way too often early on. He still has the game to be a quality #1, but he needs support to get his head straight and his confidence back.

    Also, we can’t play him such crazy minutes and expect him to be the same, we need a reliable backup.

  167. Wilde says:

    trencan,

    To be fair, and I’m not saying leaving guys in Europe for a year isn’t optimal(it is in the vast majority of cases, especially late birthdays) the part of the story where even Hasek had to adjust to the league still did happen, and is real and is worth considering.

    One thing that I don’t buy with Pulju: The theory that his agent pushed for NA play to get him the paycheque. If he did, that was a very risky bet for a guy being paid to solidify his clients future. Pulju could have blown the doors off of his first ELC year and set himself up for life after hockey very well starting at just his second contract and his agent should feel shame for gambling at those stakes.

    SwedishPoster: Don’t watch much u20, usually just bits and pieces but I’ve seen Bokk in the SHL and some u20 highlights. He’s a quick kid with really good hands, capable of both finishing and setting up teammates. He’s been real impressive coming from a lower level and getting games in the SHL straight away. The plan was to ease him in with the junior team but he just came and was dominant off the bat. Hard to tell what his upside is due to the big step up in competition, how good will he be once fully settled, but he’s certainly a first rounder for me.

    Yeah he’s come out of nowhere in terms of buzz this year among NA scouts, and is in that back half of the top 10 EU skaters that somehow always has some guys that teams aren’t sold on by June.

    There’s a number of strong forwards tearing up junior leagues at a level that merits a top 31 selection, but on draft day the Oilers might find one of them falling rowards that #40ish pick they’ll have.

  168. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Soooo what’s with Matty calling out Jesse but saying Lucic deserves a lot more rope than Jesse because he has 11 years under his belt?

    MSM calling out the kids again and not applying the standard elsewhere.

    It’s nauseating.

  169. Nix says:

    Wilde:
    trencan,

    To be fair, and I’m not saying leaving guys in Europe for a year isn’t optimal(it is in the vast majority of cases, especially late birthdays) the part of the story where even Hasek had to adjust to the league still did happen, and is real and is worth considering.

    One thing that I don’t buy with Pulju: The theory that his agent pushed for NA play to get him the paycheque. If he did, that was a very risky bet for a guy being paid to solidify his clients future. Pulju could have blown the doors off of his first ELC year and set himself up for life after hockey very well starting at just his second contract and his agent should feel shame for gambling at those stakes.

    Yeah he’s come out of nowhere in terms of buzz this year among NA scouts, and is in that back half of the top 10 EU skaters that somehow always has some guys that teams aren’t sold on by June.

    There’s a number of strong forwards tearing up junior leagues at a level that merits a top 31 selection, but on draft day the Oilers might find one of them falling rowards that #40ish pick they’ll have.

    Pronman gave him a big push in his midseason rankings. Right up with the top tier fwds actually. I now dream of Draisaitl to Bokk sorcery but he’ll probably go early 20s. Believe I read that he’s regarded as a shooter on the national team, though skilled with playmaking as well. Sounds dreamy.

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