The 100 best players in the 2018 draft

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NOTES ON A SCANDAL

  • I use NHLE as a strong guiding light.
  • My list list rewards offense heavily, and the most gifted offensive players will be at the top.
  • Players with a range of skills usually do well, but there is a fine line between a two-way player and a checking future.
  • The list does not give high numbers to players who have a lot of their value tied up in the defensive side of the game.
  • Goalies are graded (almost exclusively) by save percentage, although success over more than one season has terrific value.
  • I view Bob McKenzie’s list as the draft Bible, but my list does not factor in any scouts input beyond the obvious. (My list is complete before his final one).
  • Corey Pronman’s views have a major impact on my list. He’s been finding value in the draft for years and his list is unique. Despite my admiration for his work, our lists are not similar. Makes sense, since he’s scouting and evaluating these players, I’m using math and what gets sent my way. Corey’s mid-season list is here.
  • Scott Wheeler is a unique voice whose mid-season list is here.
  • Craig Button’s list has high value for me, I like the fact he has the courage of his convictions.
  • I pay attention to Red Line Report. Their scouting reports are the industry standard.
  • Simon Boisvert is a wonderful resource. He’s on the Lowdown often.
  • I also view McKeen’s, Steve Kournianos, Grant McCagg, Tom Hunter, The Black Book, Brock Otten, Adam Sherren, ISS.
  • I do not copy any rankings (this should be fairly obvious if you look at other rankings).
  • Mark Edwards Black Book is a brilliant reference. His release last year has been very useful for this year’s draft. Highly recommended.
  • It is very rare for me to rank a defenseman No. 1 overall. Last time? Victor Hedman, 2009. Things have changed this year.
  • My list is not designed to compete with, or copy any of the sources mentioned above. Organizations like Red Line, ISS, McKeens, Future Considerations and others employ actual scouts who observe, evaluate and project. None of their work is contained here.
  • This list uses math, previous draft trends (the CHL delivers enormous talent to the NHL), various pieces of anecdotal information volunteered by scouts and observers along the way, and an educated guess based on watching these things unfold since 1971.

THE 100 BEST PLAYERS IN THE 2018 DRAFT

  1. (1) LD Rasmus Dahlin, Frolunda (SHL). The franchise defenseman. No negatives.
  2. (2) R Andrei Svechnikov, Barrie Colts (OHL). Complete talent, fleet winger (shoots left).
  3. (3) L Filip Zadina, Halifax Mooseheads (QMJHL). Size, shooter, speed, skill.
  4. (4) LD Ty Smith, Spokane Chiefs (WHL). Nice range of skills and impressive offense.
  5. (6) RC Oliver Wahlstrom, U.S. N. D. P. (USHL). Pure scorer with good size. Plus shot.
  6. (5) RD Adam Boqvist, Brynas (SuperElite). Undersized puck moving defender who is very creative.
  7. (7) LD Quinn Hughes, Michigan (NCAA). Fast as lightning defender, smooth as silk.
  8. (9) LC Jacob Olofsson, Timra (Allsvenskan). Speedy center with skill, he’s an emerging player.
  9. (13) LC Joe Veleno, Saint-John Sea Dogs (QMJHL). Good size and speed, creative center.
  10. (8) L Brady Tkachuk, Boston University (NCAA). Rugged power winger with two-way skills.
  11. (10) RD Evan Bouchard, London Knights (OHL). Big numbers, intelligent.
  12. (12) LC Filip Hallander, Timra (Allsvenskan). Big, fast forward is an excellent puck transporter.
  13. (11) L Joel Farabee, U.S. N. D. P. (USHL). Speedy winger with legit skill, he’s a little undersized.
  14. (14) RD Noah Dobson, Acadie-Bathurst Titan (QMJHL). Two-way defenseman.
  15. (15) RC Akil Thomas, Niagara Ice Dogs (OHL). Undersized center with all of the tools.
  16. (16) RD Calen Addison, Lethbridge Hurricanes (WHL). Creative player, very fast.
  17. (17) RD Ryan Merkley, Guelph Storm (OHL)Ridiculous offensive package.
  18. (18) LC Barrett Hayton, SSM Greyhounds (OHL). Shooter owns a heavy shot and uses it liberally.
  19. (19) LC Jesperi Kotkaniemi, Assat (Sm-Liiga)Smart, very skilled and he’s 6.02, 190.
  20. (22) W Samuel Fagemo, Frolunda (SuperElite). Good boots and an excellent shot.
  21. (21) R Dominik Bokk, Vajxo Lakers (SuperElite). Elusive skater and a fine stickhandler.
  22. 23) LC Ryan McLeod, Mississauga Steelheads (OHL). Late ’99 has size, speed and skill.
  23. (24) RC Cam Hillis, Guelph Storm (OHL). He’s a burner and he’s spiking.
  24. (20) RD Jett Woo, Moose Jaw Warriors (WHL). A fine two-way prospect and a rare righty.
  25. (25) RD Bode Wilde, U.S. N. D. P. (USHL). Has size, skill, skating ability plus can shoot the puck.
  26. (26) LD K’Andre Miller, U.S. N. D. P. (USHL). Big defender who can skate and has a big shot.
  27. (27) RC Rasmus Kupari, Karpat (Sm-Liiga). Skilled center, offense is the big selling point.
  28. (28) L Isac Lundestrom, Lulea (SHL). He is a burner, probably a little shy offensively.
  29. (29) LC Linus Nyman, Kingston Frontenacs (OHL)Strong two-way C with impressive offense.
  30. (30) R Serron Noel, Oshawa Generals (OHL). Big power forward with improving speed.
  31. (31) L Grigori Denisenko, Yaroslavl (MHL). Shoots right, high-end skill and he’s a puck wizard.
  32. (32) LC Phillipp Kurashev, Quebec Remparts (QMJHL). Intelligent two-way center
  33. (33) LC Milos Roman, Vancouver Giants (WHL)A smart player in all areas of the ice.
  34. (35) LD Alex Alexeyev, Red Deer Rebels (WHL). Big man, calm feet, has skill.
  35. (37) LD Jared McIssac, Halifax Mooseheads (QMJHL). Powerful skater, emerging offense.
  36. (38) LC Allan McShane, Oshawa Generals (OHL). A wide range of skills.
  37. (44) R Vitali Kravtsov, Traktor (KHL). Terrific skill obscured by playing in big league.
  38. (34) LC Jack McBain, Toronto Jr. Canadians (OJHL)Two-way C with size and skill.
  39. (40) R Jesse Ylonen, Espoo United (Mestis). Tall, thin skill winger who is both shooter and playmaker.
  40. (36) G Lukas Dostal, Brno (Czech). Fabulous numbers over the last two seasons.
  41. (41) LC Benoit-Olivier Groulx, Halifax Mooseheads (QMJHL)Two-way center with some skill.
  42. (42) L Jakob Lauko, Chomutov (Czech). Skilled winger with good speed. Offense a mystery.
  43. (43) LC Nathan Dunkley, London Knights (OHL). Impressive young player with offensive ability.
  44. (45) G Oliver Rodrigue, Drummondville (QMJHL). Best NA goalie by consensus.
  45. (46) LD Rasmus Sandin, SSM Greyhounds (OHL). Smart, undersized skill defenseman.
  46. (39) G Jakub Skarek, Jihlava (Czech)Huge goalie, quality resume.
  47. (47) L Cedric Desruisseaux, Drummondville (QMJHL)Impressive 5×5 scorer.
  48. (49) L Albin Eriksson, Skelleftea (SHL). Big winger, plus speed, promising offense.
  49. (50) RC Ty Dallandrea, Flint Firebirds (OHL). Skill center plays a rugged style.
  50. (48) LD Jonathan Tychonick, Penticton Vees (BCJHL). Puck mover, creative, chaos.
  51. (51) L Jack Randl, Omaha Lancers (USHL). Impressive scorer. Zero buzz.
  52. (52) L Martin Kaut, Pardubice (Czech)Big, strong, excellent skater. Offense unclear.
  53. (53) LD Filip Kral, Spokane Chiefs (WHL). Smart puck moving defender. Impressive.
  54. (54) LC Alexander Khovanov, Moncton Wildcats (QMJHL). Unreal skill.
  55. (71) L Jake Wise, U.S.N.D.T.P. (USHL). A burner with emerging offense.
  56. (56) RD Nils Lundkvist, Lulea (SHL)Speed and can pass plus transport the puck.
  57. (55) L Sampo Ranta, Sioux City Musketeers (USHL)Skill winger with speed and a plus shot.
  58. (57) RC Kyle Topping, Kelowna Rockets (WHL). Impressive even-strength offense.
  59. (58) RD Sean Durzi, Owen Sound Attack (OHL). Puck mover, talented and trending.
  60. (59) R Kody Clark, Ottawa 67’s (OHL). Rambunctious PF with some skill. Wendel’s boy.
  61. (66) L Cole Fonstadt, Prince Albert Raiders (WHL). Good hands, skilled.
  62. (60) R Riley Sutter, Everett Silvertips (WHL). A gritty winger with skill. Sutter.
  63. (61) L Anderson MacDonald, Moncton Wildcats (QMJHL). Big W is talented scorer.
  64. (62) LC Matej Pekar, Muskegon Lumberjacks (USHL). Playmaking Czech in USHL.
  65. (70) LC Liam Foudy, London Knights (OHL). Skill center.
  66. (63) LC Blake McLaughlin, Chicago Steel (USHL). Undersized skill player.
  67. (NR) LC Ryan O’Reilly, Madison Capitals (USHL). Power forward with skill.
  68. (64) R Vladislav Kotkov, Chicoutimi Sagueneens (QMJHL). Big, mobile offensive winger.
  69. (65) R Aidan Dudas, Owen Sound Attack (OHL). Small, very skilled forward.
  70. (67) LD Mattias Samuelsson, U.S.N.D.T.P. (USHL). Shutdown skills, some offense.
  71. (68) L Gabriel Fortier, Baie Comeau (QMJHL). Speedy winger with skill.
  72. (NR) LD Nicolas Beaudin, Drummondville (QMJHL). Impressive puck mover, speed a concern.
  73. (69) RC Jay O’Brien, U.S.N.D.T.P. (USHL). Still finding out about him.
  74. (72) R Yegor Sokolov, Cape Breton (QMJHL). Skilled power forward with good numbers.
  75. (73) LC Lukas Wernblom, MODO (SuperElite). Small, skilled, needs better results.
  76. (74) LD Adam Ginning, Linkoping (SHL). Big D, good speed, shutdown type.
  77. (75) RC Semyon Der-Arguchintsev, Peterborough Petes (OHL). Playmaking center, not a lot of buzz.
  78. (NR) R Dmitri Zavgorodny, Rimouski Oceanic (QMJHL). Small, effective goal scorer.
  79. (NR) R Jonatan Berggren, Skelleftea (SuperElite). Fearless two-way W, Kournianos likes him.
  80. (NR) R Pavel Gogolev, Peterborough (OHL). 30 goals in world’s best junior league.
  81. (NR) RD Axel Andersson, Djurgardens (SuperElite). Speedy blue with skill.
  82. (NR) LC Jack Drury, Waterloo Blackhawks (USHL). Chris’ boy, smart and skilled. (USAToday).
  83. (NR) L Johnny Gruden, U.S.N.D.T.P. (USHL). Good speed, two way acumen.
  84. (NR) L Justin Almeida, Moose Jaw Warriors (WHL). Good speed, two way ability, spiked offensively.
  85. (NR) L Jan Jenik, Benatky (Cze-2). Solid two-way prospect, size, skill.
  86. (NR) LD Justin Bergeron, Rouyn-Noranda (QMJHL). M-A Bergeron 2.0.
  87. (NR) C-R Blade Jenkins, Saginaw Spirit (OHL). Scorer with size, better on the wing.
  88. (NR) LD Danila Galenyuk, St. Petersburg (KHL). Strong two-way D, good skater.
  89. (NR) L Alex Steeves, Dubuque (USHL). Smaller winger, speedy, physical.
  90. (NR) LD Adam McCormick, Cape Breton (QMJHL). Smart D, excellent skater.
  91. (NR) R Arttu Nevasaari, Karpat (Jr. Sm-Liiga). Top-end skill.
  92. (NR) R Trey Fix-Wolansky, Edmonton Oil Kings (WHL). Small, talented, improved.
  93. (NR) RD Alec Regula, London Knights (OHL). Big two-way D with good mobility.
  94. (NR) LD Marc Del Gaizo, Muskegon (USHL). Impressive skill defender.
  95. (NR) LD Toni Utonen, Tappara (Sm-Liiga). Impressive skater, all around skills.
  96. (NR) LC Matthew Struthers, North Bay Battalion (OHL). Big two-way C.
  97. (NR) L Gavin Hain, U.S.N.D.P (USHL). Intelligent player, terrific skater.
  98. (NR) L Ryan Chykowski, Medicine Hat Tigers (WHL). Throwback W, good shot, 21 goals.
  99. (NR) L Paul Cotter, Lincoln Stars (USHL). Impressive athlete plus skills.
  100. (NR) LC Curtis Douglas, Windsor Spitfires (OHL). Giant center with skill.

OILERS CURRENT 2018 DRAFT PICKS

  • First Round—No. 7 overall
  • Second Round—No. 38 overall
  • Third Round—No. 69 overall
  • Fourth Round—No. 100 overall (Oilers acquired goaltender Al Montoya from the Montreal Canadiens in exchange for a conditional fourth-round pick in 2018. Montoya has now covered the condition. It is a fourth).
  • Fifth Round—No. 129 overall
  • Sixth Round—No. 160 overall
  • Seventh Round—No. 191 overall

OILERS 2018 MOCK DRAFT

For fun, I’m going to use Craig Button’s most recent list as the draft order. My list (below) reflects the top available name on my list (for the first three selections) that hasn’t yet come off the Button list.

  • First Round—No. 7 overall—RC Oliver Wahlstrom, U.S.N.D.P. (USHL). Righty shot with an outstanding offensive resume. A pure sniper, he’s a ‘perfect fit’ for Connor McDavid (although it might be a year away). Wahlstrom’s offense in the USHL is tremendous, he might be getting zoomed by phenom Jack Hughes but the Oilers should happily take their chances. He leads the USHL in goals-per-game (0.85) and would be an outstanding addition.
  • Second Round—No. 38 overall—RD Calen Addison, Lethbridge Hurricanes (WHL). A strong (if undersized) defender who is regarded as a quality skill player. Addison can jump into the play or place a pass beautifully, and has posted massive numbers in his draft year (doubled his point total from 33 to 65 year over year). Although he isn’t among the top five defensemen in the draft, he is among my top 20 players (it’s a strange draft year). This would be terrific value.
  • Third Round—No. 69 overall—W Samuel Fagemo, Frolunda (SuperElite). I have to credit Simon Boisvert for tipping me about this player. Fagemo would be insane value at this number. He’s a dynamic offensive player, loves to shoot the puck and can play either wing.
  • Fourth Round—No. 100 overall (Oilers acquired goaltender Al Montoya from the Montreal Canadiens in exchange for a conditional fourth-round pick in 2018. Montoya has now covered the condition. It is a fourth).
  • Fifth Round—No. 129 overall—G Amir Miftakhov, Irbis Kazan (MHL).  Young Russian goalie has posted two strong seasons in a row.
  • Sixth Round—No. 160 overall—LC Tristen Nielsen, Calgary Hitmen (WHL). Small skilled F with speed.
  • Seventh Round—No. 191 overall—RD Mac Hollowell, SSM (OHL). A 1998, small with speed and skill.

If the Oilers grab this kind of skill at the 2018 draft, Oilers fans should be thrilled. If the club drafts No. 7 or higher, there will be an impact talent on the board. I’m still onside with Ty Smith and the Oilers no doubt love Quinn Hughes, but we are hurtling toward a scoring forward or skill RD based on this draft list. I think the first six names off the board will be Dahlin, Svechnikov, Zadina, Tkachuk, Boqvist, Hughes, leaving Wahlstrom, Bouchard, Smith and Merkley as possible Oilers. It’s going to be very interesting.

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156 Responses to "The 100 best players in the 2018 draft"

  1. OmJo says:

    Is Justin Almeida related to Paul Almeida?

  2. Confused says:

    Would like to see two goalkeeper selections, we are only a year away from a goalkeeper crisis.

    Should we aviod the LCs, trade down if we missed your 1-7 and go for the 14-17 selections and extra picks.

  3. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Love this list.

    I have gone back over many of your draft lists in previous years.

    While you are not the burning bush, your list consistently outperforms the actual draft order.

    Its almost like prioritizing skill and offence while discounting defensive ability as a 17 year old is the right thing to do.

    Its like every Head Amateur Scout and GM forgot that Marty Reasoner scored 1.32 pts/gm as a freshman at Boston College and that theformercaptainethanmoreau scored 1.66 pts/gm for Niagra Falls in the OHL in his draft year.

    Almost everyone in the NHL could score when they were 17/18.

    If you can’t be an scorer (for your position) at 17/18 there is almost no way they make the NHL.

    The competition is too strong.

  4. Wilde says:

    Confused,

    I’d say you have to get an NHL player with the trade down, not just pick for picks

    The elite, top 10 talent is sorely needed.

  5. Rondo says:

    I’m guessing Oilers will pick either #9 or #10 before the lottery draft.

    #1 A Dman or Veleno, Kotkaniemi,KUPARI, and HAYTON
    #2 Nils Lundkvist or Jake Wise

  6. godot10 says:

    Neither Jari Kurri, nor Esa Tikkanen were pure snipers. Why do people think a pure sniper, rather than wingers with a broad range of skills, is the right type of winger for McDavid?

    A pure sniper, I think, is far from the ideal type of winger for McDavid.

    I’d say Nugent-Hopkins, and a right-handed version of Nugent-Hopkins, would be the ideal wingers for McDavid.

  7. OmJo says:

    Why is it bad to take 18 year old players in the draft if they have an exceptional season, such as leading all CHL D in scoring? How often does an 18 year old do that? I can look into it after classes later today but not now.

    Would his age not make him more likely to play in the league sooner rather than later? That seems like a good thing to me for this team, we need immediate help.

    This is in reference to Bouchard. Like I understand why comparing him to 16 and 17 year olds can be problematic but he lead all CHL D, including 19, 20, and probably a few early 21 year olds in scoring so he isn’t just being compared to 16 and 17 year olds.

  8. godot10 says:

    Confused:
    Would like to see two goalkeeper selections, we are only a year away from a goalkeeper crisis.

    Should we aviod the LCs, trade down if we missed your 1-7 and go for the 14-17 selections and extra picks.

    The Oilers have drafted and signed goaltenders by the bucketful the last couple of years. They have no room to properly develop what they have already.

  9. dustrock says:

    Nice list LT, I think you’re the only one putting Olofsson that high, but you’ve had your eye on him for some time now.

    I wonder if the Oilers prefer RHD so looking at Boqvist/Bouchard/Dobson?

    Getting Addison with our 2nd would be amazing.

  10. Wilde says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    It’s also the bizarre “high floor low ceiling” concept.

    Which is an admission you don’t reepect your own program enough.

    Most NHL executives are so misguidedly conservative in June, only to utterly lose their minds every July.

  11. Confused says:

    Wilde,

    Difficult to see the LC meeting organizational need McD, Drai, Nuge.

    However, if we could swap for Dobson and Merkley.

  12. jtblack says:

    I would be Over the Moon with Wahlstrom and Addison.

    Thanks for all your hard work LT !!
    Love the draft and your coverage and thioughts on it

  13. dustrock says:

    OmJo:
    Why is it bad to take 18 year old players in the draft if they have an exceptional season, such as leading all CHL D in scoring? How often does an 18 year old do that? I can look into it after classes later today but not now.

    Would his age not make him more likely to play in the league sooner rather than later? That seems like a good thing to me for this team, we need immediate help.

    This is in reference to Bouchard. Like I understand why comparing him to 16 and 17 year olds can be problematic but he lead all CHL D, including 19, 20, and probably a few early 21 year olds in scoring so he isn’t just being compared to 16 and 17 year olds.

    You’re right. I think the age difference is really only there if you’re looking between Bouchard and Boqvist and trying to project, because he’s got almost an entire year development over Boqvist.

    But to say Bouchard is 5 months older than say Ty Smith and that’s a huge advantage? I don’t buy it.

  14. Confused says:

    godot10,

    LB is broken, gone. Ellis, Sharett and Wells did nothing.

    We are down to Skinner.

    Are just keeping everyone and hoping for rebounds or is it time to start restocking?

    Cam has one year remaining as does Al, …….then what?

  15. Wilde says:

    godot10,

    Is the optimisation of the 97 line even in the top 10 most urgent areas in need of improvement?

  16. leadfarmer says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Defensive abitlity for forwards and good in the room and future captain material have wasted more draft picks than I could count.

    Leadfarmers simplification for talent
    Forwards. Speed and skill. If a player is elite in either category give him a big bonus.
    Defensemen. Defensive ability, skating and passing.
    Goaltending. Just pick the guy with the best sounding name

  17. frjohnk says:

    leadfarmer: Goaltending. Just pick the guy with the best sounding name

    Any goalie with the name “Voodoo” would be a slam dunk pick for first overall.

  18. JimmyV1965 says:

    I just hope we don’t take Tkachuk. Nothing against the player, but it just seems like such an Oiler thing to do, based purely on pedigree. And it ends up biting us in the ass. Maybe being unfair here.

  19. flea says:

    frjohnk,

    Best goalie name on this list – gotta be Jakub Skarek.

  20. YKOil says:

    For me, in regards to getting forwards who can play with McDavid and Draisaitl, I am looking for smarts, specifically – what can they do in space and to get to space?

    Maroon did wonders with limited skills because he knew how to play with McDavid – he got to the open areas and to the dangerous areas. For McDavid you really just need someone who can carry his own weight, has enough speed to keep up, get into space, and occasionally snipe.

    Draisaitl needs a little more than McDavid as his game lends itself to cycling and long-passing (for lack of a technical term) so for Draisaitl I am also looking at skillsets that have to do with having enough speed to get to open space and then have some tenacity on the boards.

    Neither player has to be a pure sniper. Smarts and speed will go a long way and playing with McDavid and/or Draisaitl will, in turn, improve their finishing ability because the open looks will materialize.

    If looking at forwards, I like Wahlstrom if picking in the 6-8 range, then Veleno, Tkachuk and Denisenko. If Denisenko was available late in the first round I look at REALLY hard at moving up.

  21. Rondo says:

    17yr old late birthday righthanded defenceman excellent speed high hockey IQ and playing in Swedens top league

  22. Brantford Boy says:

    NOAH DOBSON!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnPWJOJYVKc

    I mean Milan Lucic…

  23. OmJo says:

    Rondo:
    17yr old late birthdayrighthanded defenceman excellent speed high hockey IQ and playing in Swedens top league

    He who shall not be named?

  24. jtblack says:

    OmJo: He who shall not be named?

    Bodqvist

  25. Rondo says:

    OmJo: He who shall not be named?

    Nils Lundkvist. He probably will be gone before the Oilers 2nd rd pick.

  26. RexLibris says:

    Barring lottery changes, it seems almost a lock that Edmonton picks 7th or 8th. I don’t think they drop below Detroit in the standings nor do I think they overtake the Islanders.

    Basically, Edmonton and Chicago flip-flopping between spots, again barring lottery movement.

    I agree with Woodguy’s take above, skill and speed, in that order. To hell with size unless you’re looking for a tie-breaker after everything else is deemed equal.

    In addition to that, though, I’d prioritize right-shot centers and right-shot D.

    So if the Oilers are picking 8th, for the sake of argument, then it seems unlikely that both Boqvist and Wahlstrom drop that far and it means you either take a left-winger or a(nother) left D or you reach on Dobson or Bouchard.

    I’d be willing to reach on either of those players given that draft spot as typically the 7th through 12th ranking is kind of a jumble and varies.

    In either case, whomever they take this year, unless the lottery sings sweet again, we’re probably looking at at least 2 years from NHL contribution, if not 4.

  27. McSorley33 says:

    Unless Hughes is available when we pick, I repeat my claim that if Boqvist falls
    out of the top 5 we address our decade long need of a top RHD offensive Dman.

    I advocate we trade up to take Boqvist.

    Imagine a PP where Boqvist is taking passes from Drai or McDavid see below.

    ***********************************************************************************************
    Edit: Citation – https://dobberprospects.com/prospect-ramblings-adam-boqvist-vs-quinn-hughes/

    We mentioned earlier that Hughes is the youngest player in the NCAA this season. Well his late 1999 birthdate facilitated that, but Boqvist is ***almost a full year younger than Hughes***. He was born in August of 2000 and is one of the youngest players in this 2018 crop.

    His age dictates we need to project further along his developmental arc as he’ll play his entire draft-eligible campaign as a 17-year-old – much of it playing against men in Sweden’s top two professional leagues.

    The right-shot defender clocks in at 5’11 and 170lbs and just like Hughes, offers tremendous skating, vision and playmaking ability.

    One aspect that he clearly ***outranks Hughes is his shot***. Boqivst loves to get to puck on net and can walk the line and let go a big time clapper or find lanes with quick wristers.

  28. JJS says:

    godot10:
    Neither Jari Kurri, nor Esa Tikkanen were pure snipers.Why do people think a pure sniper, rather than wingers with a broad range of skills, is the right type of winger for McDavid?

    A pure sniper, I think, is far from the ideal type of winger for McDavid.

    I’d say Nugent-Hopkins, and a right-handed version of Nugent-Hopkins, would be the ideal wingers for McDavid.

    The game has changed considerably from the days of Kurri. Players don’t have near the time and space that they used to so a quick release/pure shooter has a much better chance of scoring 30-40 than a good two way player.

    McD generates an incredible amount of ice for his wingers thus allowing them to find the soft spots and snap lasers under the bar.

    We don’t have this player type today which is why McD has seen audition after audition.

    PJ hasn’t figured out his release just yet, Yak couldn’t hit the net, Eberle had his infamous ‘dust off’, Nuge is decent but small sample size, Yama is more skater than shooter, Lucic is…nevermind.

    Imagine Laine on his wing and tell me this isn’t the perfect fit.

  29. Confused says:

    Anyone know anything on Pavel Francouz?

  30. trencan says:

    flea:
    frjohnk,

    Best goalie name on this list – gotta be Jakub Skarek.

    Fully agree… and btw he wears Oilers cap 🙂

  31. trencan says:

    McSorley33,

    Hughes is probably best skater in this draft but still I personally would prefer Boqvist over him. In case we win draft lottery I would go after one of the top D available in this order: Dahlin, Boqvist, Hughes.

    If we pick Wahlstrom (or Svechnikov in draft lottery), the rumours of trading JP or Yamo will rise. Maybe for Sergachev…. But I highly doubt they will be available when we pick.

  32. Bag of Pucks says:

    So depressing with this team to be focused on the draft yet again at this time of year.

    The Oilers are starting to remind me of the Cleveland Browns.

    The draft is the only thing maintaining fan interest, and more often than not, the org blows the picks anyway.

    Just my opinion, but in terms of importance: a new HC hire >>>> the next 18 year old in the pipeline

    This organization is at a pivotal point in their history where the right coaching hire can either elevate them into becoming a consistent contender OR the wrong hire or status quote will have them renovating the basement for a nice long stay.

    You know what else would be really exciting? Finding a taker for a Lucic salary dump.

  33. OmJo says:

    jtblack: Bodqvist

    Rondo: Nils Lundkvist

    Lol @ two different players being named 😛

    You think he goes in the first round?

  34. OmJo says:

    JJS,

    Laine could probably score 100 on McDavid’s wing!

    Maybe not 100 but maybe close to 70?

  35. Rondo says:

    OmJo,

    2nd rd

  36. OmJo says:

    Rondo,

    We could be drafting twice in top 40, he might be available then?

  37. Rondo says:

    OmJo,

    Hope so.

  38. Jaxon says:

    This would be my draft list based on need and scouting lists. I did an exercise where I listed the players highest ranking since January and the lowest ranking and I allowed myself to move players up and down based on need as long as they still landed in the range that a professional scouting service had them. For example, if one scout had Tkachuk at 3 and another had him at #15, I could place him anywhere in that range. I valued position in this order: RD, CR, CL, LW/C, RW/C, LW, RW, LD.

    I used this for my rankings: http://www.mynhldraft.com/2018-draft/2018-nhl-draft-rankings

    # High Con Low PLAYER POS
    1 1 1 2 Dahlin LD
    2 1 3 4 Svechnikov RW
    3 2 2 4 Zadina LW
    4 4 5 8 Boqvist RD
    5 4 10 23 Veleno C
    6 6 7 26 Bouchard RD
    7 6 9 24 Dobson RD
    8 8 15 27 Hayton C
    9 9 17 24 Kotkaniemi C
    10 3 6 10 Hughes LD
    10 8 23 32 Bokk C
    11 11 14 23 Wilde RD
    12 5 8 12 Wahlstrom C/RW
    13 6 25 32 Merkley RD
    14 11 16 25 Kupari C
    15 3 4 15 Tkachuk LW
    16 5 13 16 Smith LD
    17 10 12 25 Lundestrom C/LW
    18 7 11 18 Farabee LW
    19 18 21 32 Woo RD
    20 10 18 23 McLeod C/LW
    21 17 27 32 Groulx C
    22 16 – 32 Olofsson C/LW
    23 20 24 32 Noel RW
    24 24 31 32 Khovanov C
    25 9 19 31 Denisenko LW
    26 18 30 32 Kaut RW
    27 20 – 32 Kravtsov RW
    28 16 22 32 Miller LD
    29 17 20 32 McIsac LD
    30 20 26 32 Sandin LD
    31 21 29 32 Tychonick LD
    32 22 28 32 Alexeyev LD
    33 25 – 32 Ginning LD

  39. McSorley33 says:

    trencan,

    Hughes is probably best skater in this draft but still I personally would prefer Boqvist over him. In case we win draft lottery I would go after one of the top D available in this order: Dahlin, Boqvist, Hughes.

    If we pick Wahlstrom (or Svechnikov in draft lottery), the rumours of trading JP or Yamo will rise. Maybe for Sergachev…. But I highly doubt they will be available when we pick.
    **********************************************************************************************************
    I could envision Svechinikov dropping and their being a run on Dmen higher than most people think. .but I could be wrong.

  40. McSorley33 says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    So depressing with this team to be focused on the draft yet again at this time of year.

    The Oilers are starting to remind me of the Cleveland Browns.

    The draft is the only thing maintaining fan interest, and more often than not, the org blows the picks anyway.

    Just my opinion, but in terms of importance: a new HC hire >>>> the next 18 year old in the pipeline

    This organization is at a pivotal point in their history where the right coaching hire can either elevate them into becoming a consistent contender OR the wrong hire or status quote will have them renovating the basement for a nice long stay.

    You know what else would be really exciting? Finding a taker for a Lucic salary dump.
    **********************************************************************************************************
    A few of us mentioned this a while ago…..this team was out of the playoffs in November.

    Taylor Hall just being nominated for MVP will be a cherry.

    As you point out, here we go with another draft lottery hope.

    We have the orange part down.

  41. VOR says:

    Calling Jari Kurri a two way player is to damn with faint praise.

    Kurri was a superb skater, a brilliant and dedicated backchecker, and an awesome penalty killer. He won a large majority of his puck battles. He was also outstanding at filling the passing lanes and stealing pucks. All in all a great and badly underrated defensive player.

    But he was one of the ten greatest snipers of all time. I’d put him up their with Mike Bossy in the top 2 shooters in NHL history, though I’d give Bossy the edge. Kurri had a lightening quick wrist shot with multiple tricky releases and also the best one timer I have ever seen. Oh and did I mention he had arguably the most accurate shot in the history of hockey.

    He was a 200 foot superstar.

    There is nobody in this draft who projects to have a career like Jari Kurri. That doesn’t mean there isn’t a Jari Kurri in this draft. Kurri after all went in the fourth round because he didn’t project to be Jari Kurri.

  42. russ99 says:

    Ah! A thread finally not about how X is a bum.

    I really like Veleno, I know he’s a center and the Q numbers are usually inflated, but if he’s on the board we should pick him.

    We need skill forwards at every position, I wouldn’t descriminate against him because he doesn’t play LW.

  43. VOR says:

    Confused:
    Anyone know anything on Pavel Francouz?

    I’m not sure what you want to know. Pavel Francouz is a Czech goaltender. He has been a bit inconsistent on the world stage but holds many Czech records. He is unquestionably a truly elite KHL goaltender, maybe the best goaltender in the league. But he has turned down offers from several NHL teams that wanted to kick his tires.

    Francouz is a bit small for an NHL goalie but incredibly quick and athletic. He is also tremendous technically. At 28 he’d certainly be worth a look see but he isn’t moving unless there is term and major dollars on the table. Very high risk, high reward.

    I am not sure of his current contract status.

    Hope that helps.

  44. VOR says:

    Francouz was unsigned coming into the Olympics but may have signed since. I’ve read different versions.

  45. elgruntus says:

    VOR:

    . Kurri after all went in the fourth round because he didn’t project to be Jari Kurri.

    I thought he dropped because teams were wary of a possible mandated military service and the Oilers had intel that said otherwise? Maybe I just dreamed it?

  46. VOR says:

    Francouz is certainly worth some consideration as a backup to Talbot. One that has starter potential. If he is still a free agent. And if his long history of injuries is behind him.

  47. VOR says:

    elgruntus: I thought he dropped because teams were wary of a possible mandated military service and the Oilers had intel that said otherwise? Maybe I just dreamed it?

    You are right Kurri was still there in the fourth round because of two concerns: mandated military service and a supposed lack of interest in playing in the NHL. Barry Fraser had talked with Jari and knew neither applied and still took him in the fourth round. There were teams who would have taken him in the bottom of the second round or top of the third had they known.

    And LA, with the same information also planned to take him in the fourth. A couple of picks later they took Bernie Nichols instead. A lot of Oiler scouts thought Nichols was the call. Ironic how the two players ended up playing for both teams.

    But my point is Edmonton was so sure of Kurri being a superstar that knowing he wasn’t going to do military duty and wanted to play that fall they still took him in the fourth round. Which is right where LA had him ranked also knowing he’d play that fall. Nobody was projecting him to be one of the hundred greatest players in NHL history or military service or not he’d have gone early in the first round.

  48. Lowetide says:

    One thing about Kurri in that draft is that I don’t recall reading a lot about him. I mean, it was almost 40 years ago and the mind plays tricks, but I knew a lot about Coffey (as a for instance). Kurri wasn’t in The Hockey News (I read it religiously) a lot iirc, so I’m going to say he wasn’t a famous player (like Coffey) at the time. VOR’s note about the military and interest are correct, that’s how it has been framed since. I do think there’s a case to be made that, unless the scouting community were universally quiet, we may not have been talking about a top-10 pick. Kurri is one of my all-time favorite players, I was shocked at how good he was that fall and first season overall. I don’t think we thought of Kurri as Kurri before his draft day. Credit to Fraser.

  49. Bag of Pucks says:

    Wouldn’t describe this as a glowing endorsement of the Head Coach’s approach:

    http://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/edmonton-oilers/edmonton-oilers-ryan-strome-expects-he-team-will-make-big-strides-next-season/wcm/7fd1342f-96f2-45e1-804a-14367f478c5e

    “Todd (McLellan) mixes up the lines here, which is a good thing, but at the same time, if the team is struggling and there are new guys, it’s tough to get into a little bit of a rhythm.

    Strome, who skated with eight different linemates in the first 14 games, had all the rhythm of a monkey with two garbage-can lids.

  50. VOR says:

    Before moving on to more draft posts here is a fascinating interview with Francouz:

    https://en.khl.ru/news/2018/01/27/378320.html

  51. VOR says:

    Georges,

    Here is a link to the data table from the 2016 Census data. Behind each of these summary tables lies more “rawer” data. I am not sure how deep you can go before you hit the paywall but a fair way. My company has an account and it is worth it.

    http://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2016/dp-pd/dt-td/Lp-eng.cfm?LANG=E&APATH=3&DETAIL=0&DIM=0&FL=A&FREE=0&GC=0&GID=0&GK=0&GRP=1&PID=0&PRID=10&PTYPE=109445&S=0&SHOWALL=0&SUB=0&Temporal=2017&THEME=120&VID=0&VNAMEE=&VNAMEF=

    LT, Sorry for length of link. Stats Can is a bit anal.

  52. Confused says:

    VOR,

    VOR,

    Thanks, great stuff.

    Any ideas on what Vaclav Burda is doing for us?

    Any association?

  53. VOR says:

    Thinking About the Draft 13, – Toward a new draft math – Part 4 – Prospect Theory as a segue to Cartoid distributions in n-dimensional space

    This is a great summary of a complex theory –

    http://simpleeconomist.com/prospect-theory/

    What prospect theory says is that people tend to over value possible rewards and undervalue risk in decision making that involves picking between things. Which when you think about it perfectly describes the draft.

    I would go as far as to say that at the high end of the draft where the talent is clearly elite, ie. the reward is very high GMs ignore the risk altogether. Then as the obvious reward drops the GMs become over focussed on the risk and become conservative nitwits. The original work by Kahneman actually predicts this exact sort of behaviour in situations analogous to the NHL draft. And he returns to it in his seminal 2003 work Heuristic Trees and Bias.

    As we move from here to more complex mathematical functions and more complicated space we will see exactly why LTs list outperforms other lists and also why half of all teams outperform Central Scouting on a consistent basis.

    Just to tease a bit further I am going to actually cite rickithebear in my next post in this series.

  54. sliderule says:

    Noah Dobson and Ty Smith are the two best CHL skaters in the draft.

    That is both defencemen and forwards.

    This is not my opinion it is from testing at top prospect game.

    They both have scored about the same rate with Dobson supposedly a better shot.

    If the oilers pick a defenceman it’s got to be from those two.

    Smith is 5-10 while Dobson is 6-3

    You make the choice

  55. VOR says:

    Confused:
    VOR,

    VOR,

    Thanks, great stuff.

    Any ideas on what Vaclav Burda is doing for us?

    Any association?

    I know very little about exactly how the Oilers are using Burda beyond his obvious role as Head of European Scouting or whatever they call it.

    I can tell you what a number of his peers think about Burda. To hear them tell it every Oiler fan should be doing back flips that the Oilers hired the guy.

    There is a consensus that he is one of the smartest minds in hockey.

    The first thing they mention is his remarkable ability to look at talented young euro prospects and see which ones will be superstars and which ones will be impact players and which will be duds. I have been told it is uncanny.

    Apparently he has an incredible wealth of contacts in Sweden. He played his last three pro seasons there and built one heck of a network. Obviously he also has a tremendous Rolodex in the Czech Republic.

    From my standpoint the most important thing is he is, I’ve been told, very interested in the problem of bias in drafting.

    Everybody mentions the same player when they talk about Burda – Erik Karlsson.

  56. barry.moore23 says:

    You know I would love to see the Oilers succeed in whatever it is they are trying to do, but at this point I’m not holding my breath. They will always be my favorite team and I will never give up the faith of a child. That being said I recently moved to Glendale and live walking distance to Gila River Arena. Season tickets start at $645. If the Coyotes win the lottery I’m OK with that. It will be interesting to see how the GM here proceeds. I’m so confused about the firethemall or continuity philosophies. That too will be interesting to see play out. Life is good.

  57. speeds says:

    Does anyone happen to recall, roughly, where Wheeler was rated pre-draft? Was it early 20s? And where you might have had him ranked, if you recall and/or had a list back then?

    I seem to recall both he and hickey having been sizeable reaches at their draft spots, but cant recall exactly where they were ranked pre-draft?

  58. Confused says:

    VOR,

    Again, thanks.

    I think exploring Francouz, or even Svoboda, as the backup seems appealing. Low risk; potential high reward.

    Hopefully, Burda can start sending us some free Euros, as we traditional struggle in this direction.

    The Czechs seem to have become a goalie factory

  59. Nix says:

    Not sure Connor needs a sniper either, but maaaaan… Watch footage of Wahlstrom and he consistently plinks in these satisfying 15 foot lasers picking corners with precision. Looks like a great pro shot already. Could cash in a ton of Leons cheeky seeing eye passes with a marksmans skillset we have a stark dearth of. Imagine having a winger that shoots, is actually on target, and beats goalies cold. Wew.

  60. dustrock says:

    speeds:
    Does anyone happen to recall, roughly, where Wheeler was rated pre-draft? Was it early 20s? And where you might have had him ranked, if you recall and/or had a list back then?

    I seem to recall both he and hickey having been sizeable reaches at their draft spots, but cant recall exactly where they were ranked pre-draft?

    http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/7061/coyotes_see_tremendous_upside_in_wheeler/

    Found this.

  61. dustrock says:

    speeds:
    Does anyone happen to recall, roughly, where Wheeler was rated pre-draft? Was it early 20s? And where you might have had him ranked, if you recall and/or had a list back then?

    I seem to recall both he and hickey having been sizeable reaches at their draft spots, but cant recall exactly where they were ranked pre-draft?

    Here’s a HF mock draft that doesn’t have him in the first round.

    http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/7030/hockeys_future2004_staff_mock_draft/

  62. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    VOR: I know very little about exactly how the Oilers are using Burda beyond his obvious role as Head of European Scouting or whatever they call it.

    I can tell you what a number of his peers think about Burda. To hear them tell it every Oiler fan should be doing back flips that the Oilers hired the guy.

    Everybody mentions the same player when they talk about Burda – Erik Karlsson.

    VOR I don’t know if you’re intentionally signalling it here or what but I got me some goosebumps with that last line.

    I’ve been harping for awhile but as long as they aren’t asking for Draisaitl you deal for Erik Karlsson every day of the week. He is a bonafide superstar. If he was playing on the Leafs (or hell any eastern market team but the Senators) he’d be hotter than McDavid in media circles.

    If the Oilers get him it changes everything

  63. leadfarmer says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!: VOR I don’t know if you’re intentionally signalling it here or what but I got me some goosebumps with that last line.

    I’ve been harping for awhile but as long as they aren’t asking for Draisaitl you deal for Erik Karlsson every day of the week. He is a bonafide superstar. If he was playing on the Leafs (or hell any eastern market team but the Senators) he’d be hotter than McDavid in media circles.

    If the Oilers get him it changes everything

    Karlsson is exactly the player we need (plus a couple wingers) Give him and Larsson the Burns Vlasic treatment. Unfortunately his cap hit is currently busy being occupied by Russell and Lucic.

  64. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    leadfarmer,

    And it just so happens that the Canucks have two roster spots and a lot of cap space starting next season…

    But for a player like Karlsson you deal now, enjoy the season where he makes $500,000 more than Nuge and you ship whoever else out to make it work next off-season.

    Karlsson takes the kind of flack in Ottawa that Taylor Hall took in Edmonton. Lots of fans question his commitment to the team and to defense and this season his owner tossed him under the bus (something Katz didn’t do to players) and the coach/GM didn’t exactly jump to his side.

    He’s out, he has a limited no-trade clause and next year is cheaper than cheap.

    Deal now, worry about the rest later.

  65. Georges says:

    VOR,

    Thanks!

  66. texmex says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!,

    Pretty sure I read Edmonton is on Karlsson’s no trade list.

    Nice to dream though. Imagine Karlsson hitting mcdavid in stride in the neutral zone. Wow and Yikes all at the same time.

  67. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    texmex,

    That may be the case.

    But if VOR is correct about Mr. Burda that may be a problem that can be solved after the season is over.

  68. JimmyV1965 says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!: VOR I don’t know if you’re intentionally signalling it here or what but I got me some goosebumps with that last line.

    I’ve been harping for awhile but as long as they aren’t asking for Draisaitl you deal for Erik Karlsson every day of the week. He is a bonafide superstar. If he was playing on the Leafs (or hell any eastern market team but the Senators) he’d be hotter than McDavid in media circles.

    If the Oilers get him it changes everything

    Remember the playoffs last year. He was the second coming of Christ. Not McDavid.

  69. godot10 says:

    JJS: The game has changed considerably from the days of Kurri.Players don’t have near the time and space that they used to so a quick release/pure shooter has a much better chance of scoring 30-40 than a good two way player.

    McD generates an incredible amount of ice for his wingers thus allowing them to find the soft spots and snap lasers under the bar.

    We don’t have this player type today which is why McD has seen audition after audition.

    PJ hasn’t figured out his release just yet, Yak couldn’t hit the net, Eberle had his infamous ‘dust off’, Nuge is decent but small sample size, Yama is more skater than shooter, Lucic is…nevermind.

    Imagine Laine on his wing and tell me this isn’t the perfect fit.

    McDavid was scoring at well over a 50 goal pace with Nugent-Hopkins. Some of you guys are thinking about this incorrectly. And Nugent-Hopkins was scoring at a higher rate when he was moved portside.

    McDavid had not separation from the other leading pointgetters in the league till they put him with Nugent-Hopkins. McDavid becomes much more dangerous if you play him with wingers who can play give-and-go with him.

  70. leadfarmer says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!,

    Yeah but what do you have to give the Nucks for them to take Russell and Lucic. How do you get Russell and Lucic to even agree to going there

  71. Ribs says:

    I’d trade Eric Brewer, Doug Lynch, and Jeff Woywitka for Erik Karlsson…

  72. JustWatt says:

    godot10,

    The Nuge-McDavid chem makes me think that the #1 priority for this team on the ice is a complimentary winger for Draisaitl on the second line. An imperfect player could play with 93-97 and that line would likely still hum but currently the Oilers have no one for Draisaitl to pair up with. Whoever it is, sign or trade, go get that guy.

    It’s nice to hear different arguments for a bunch of really good D prospects. As exciting as they all are, I’m all in for Boqvist. Or whatever great RD is left when the Oil draft, but I really like the idea of a developed Boqvist playing behind Larsson on this team. Hope he falls to our draft position.

  73. VOR says:

    Rondo:
    VOR,

    His record

    http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/teams/dr00007328.html

    I can’t figure out his record from this. Problem 1. It is impossible to know which picks he was associated with and where management over ruled him or North American scouts had all the say. Problem 2. Boy did Ottawa handicap its scouting staff.

  74. Lowetide says:

    Speeds: I looked but couldn’t find the 2004 HN. Will look again later. Keegan Lowe recalled.

  75. --hudson-- says:

    Lowetide:
    Speeds: I looked but couldn’t find the 2004 HN. Will look again later. Keegan Lowe recalled.

    Not only recalled but he’s going to play. Oilers down to 5D

  76. Wayne Kenov says:

    –hudson–: Not only recalled but he’s going to play.Oilers down to 5D

    I’m praying the oiler fans are good to him. I know he didn’t want to play for the Oilers back on draft day, and I’m guessing he only came here due to it being his last shot. Anyone would have done the same. Don’t take it out on the player.

  77. Lowetide says:

    Wayne Kenov: I’m praying the oiler fans are good to him. I know he didn’t want to play for the Oilers back on draft day, and I’m guessing he only came here due to it being his last shot. Anyone would have done the same. Don’t take it out on the player.

    He’s earned it. Anyone booing him is blaming this player for things out of his control. I am curious to see how he plays.

  78. hunter1909 says:

    Lowetide: Anyone booing him is blaming this player for things out of his control.

    Balderdash! There was nothing between him smothering Lowe-MacT with a pillow.

  79. Professor Q says:

    sliderule:
    Noah Dobson and Ty Smith are the two best CHL skaters in the draft.

    That is both defencemen and forwards.

    This is not my opinion it is from testing at top prospect game.

    They both have scored about the same rate with Dobson supposedly a better shot.

    If the oilers pick a defenceman it’s got to be from those two.

    Smith is 5-10 while Dobson is 6-3

    You make the choice

    Take Dobson, trade Klefbom/Sekera (eventually; he’s a RHD but it might require spot-opening in a few years, with the signing of Nurse)?

    If not I’m obviously fine with Bouchard if Edmonton is a few spots after. He’s also a great skater and a smart player. I am and have been open about my London bias.

  80. Wayne Kenov says:

    I haven’t seen it mentioned that my pick at 33 OV in 2015 (Dermott) has been playing very well in Toronto. He who shall not be named is about to win the only trophy that Connor can never win. And Kyle Connor is still quietly shredding the league.

    I can understand the calls for consistency, but I’m not sure we have the right people. I still maintain Renney should have been given another year. In fact, his firing signalled to me that the org felt that that 2011-2012 team was good enough to crawl out of the basement. No rational person should have thought that. Then I whined when MacT shipped out Krueger, who I still wanted to see more of. I was calling for Eakins head by December of his first year, but supported the hiring of TMac over Todd. I’d be fine on moving on from him now. He’s sort of Jekyll and Hyde. He’s say something smart in an interview, then he’ll go into the game and just roll lines like it’s peewee.

    Tambo and MacT were shitty GMs. Tambo didn’t get much flack until about his 3rd year when people realized he was the GM. MacT got some leash, and promptly strangled himself with stupid commentary, and worse moves. I still like what Chia says, but what he does is a different story. Depending on the situation around him, I would be fine with him staying. Of course, I’m not sure I trust his boss to make the right call (assuming that is Nicholson). If it’s Katz or Lowe making that call, then it is already probably the wrong one. Barring extenuating circumstances though, Chia has to be gone.

  81. StixMalone says:

    JustWatt:
    godot10,

    The Nuge-McDavid chem makes me think that the #1 priority for this team on the ice is a complimentary winger for Draisaitl on the second line. An imperfect player could play with 93-97 and that line would likely still hum but currently the Oilers have no one for Draisaitl to pair up with. Whoever it is, sign or trade, go get that guy.

    It’s nice to hear different arguments for a bunch of really good D prospects. As exciting as they all are, I’m all in for Boqvist. Or whatever great RD is left when the Oil draft, but I really like the idea of a developed Boqvist playing behind Larsson on this team. Hope he falls to our draft position.

    Great to have 2 good scoring lines but you still need to have D that can get the puck out of their zone. This is killing the team. Need that quick outlet pass. We don’t have that…..

  82. Professor Q says:

    Wayne Kenov,

    How to influence Katz to actually and properly clean house, though? He’s collecting 1980s Oilers Pokémon cards.

  83. OmJo says:

    Professor Q:
    Wayne Kenov,

    How to influence Katz to actually and properly clean house, though? He’s collecting 1980s Oilers Pokémon cards.

    Pikachu > Gretzky

  84. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    My summer wish list:

    Manhattan Project for the special teams, requires a capable coaching staff. Is it this one?

    Trade the pick down, and hang a bad contract off it, return of a 2nd line partner for Draisaitl.

    If that bad contact can’t be Lucic, crazy glue him to line 3.

    Make smart, small moves with cap space for a backup goalie and a 2-3 pairing D if Russel or Sekera is the draft day sacrifice. No idea who those are or where they come from.

    Oilersnation occupies Kingsway demanding accountability and the heads of BOC.

    Convince Adidas to sink the fluorescent orange homes to the bottom of Pigeon Lake.

    Have Drew Remenda go find them.

  85. Wayne Kenov says:

    Professor Q:
    Wayne Kenov,

    How to influence Katz to actually and properly clean house, though? He’s collecting 1980s Oilers Pokémon cards.

    Nothing you can do. Gotta just hope he grows up at some point.

  86. hunter1909 says:

    Professor Q:
    Wayne Kenov,

    How to influence Katz to actually and properly clean house, though? He’s collecting 1980s Oilers Pokémon cards.

    Up until Gretzky, Messier, and Coffey showed up all Katz really had going was a pair of glorified third stringers; at least now Katz has the finest Oilers of all time to accept the torch from failing hands lol

  87. who says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    So depressing with this team to be focused on the draft yet again at this time of year.

    The Oilers are starting to remind me of the Cleveland Browns.

    The draft is the only thing maintaining fan interest, and more often than not, the org blows the picks anyway.

    Just my opinion, but in terms of importance: a new HC hire >>>> the next 18 year old in the pipeline

    This organization is at a pivotal point in their history where the right coaching hire can either elevate them into becoming a consistent contender OR the wrong hire or status quote will have them renovating the basement for a nice long stay.

    You know what else would be really exciting? Finding a taker for a Lucic salary dump.

    I disagree. I think drafting talent is a more important item than the coaching staff.
    Reason being is you don’t get any do overs when you miss at the draft.
    I have not been happy with the coaching this year but that is an easy fix. You can fire a coach whenever you want. But it takes years to recover from a few bad drafts. Or a few bad trades.

  88. Professor Q says:

    hunter1909: Up until Gretzky, Messier, and Coffey showed up all Katz really had going was a pair of glorified third stringers; at least now Katz has the finest Oilers of all time to accept the torch from failing hands lol

    Hey now, don’t forget Buchberger, Charlie Huddy, et al. Though maybe Duane Sutter counts as Edmonton has him and the Islanders have Buchberger. A trade of sorts.

  89. hunter1909 says:

    texmex: Pretty sure I read Edmonton is on Karlsson’s no trade list.

    But…he could play for a new Oilers Dynasty!

  90. hunter1909 says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!: But for a player like Karlsson you deal now, enjoy the season where he makes $500,000 more than Nuge and you ship whoever else out to make it work next off-season.

    That’s Leon Draisaitl.

  91. Professor Q says:

    hunter1909: But…he could play for a new Oilers Dynasty!

    And he’d make the most gorgeous D Pair with Klefbom.

    Their stunning looks alone would freeze the opposition.

  92. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Nice list LT. You’re love of the draft is much appreciated, at least we could learn about it while suffering through the cause of the high picking.

    I would say your blog has made those that read it the most knowledgeable fan base about the draft, and of course the rest of the hockeying.

  93. leadfarmer says:

    While Karlsson on this team would be amazing, I can’t imagine the acquisition cost being less than Nurse JP and our 1st this year and that is just something we don’t have the depth to do.

  94. GMB3 says:

    russ99:
    Ah! A thread finally not about how X is a bum.

    I really like Veleno, I know he’s a center and the Q numbers are usually inflated, but if he’s on the board we should pick him.

    We need skill forwards at every position, I wouldn’t descriminate against him because he doesn’t play LW.

    Agreed, although I think his skill set may not be the best fit for the team. Drafting him would make a RNH trade in the future much more palatable, and I know that fills your boots

  95. Scungilli Slushy says:

    I have empathy for these young men trying to make their dreams come true. Most don’t make it but I’m sure are better people for the attempt.

    When I see the overall numbers for players like Cags and Rattie I see the issue with the top 6. Watching Cags torpedo his lines against top 6 comp is painful. CMD and Leon deserve wingers that can do more than be set up to miss a million chances.

    I would far rather see Aberg play with them than the other two. At least he can skate, has obvious hockey sense and has enough size and jam and to do the dirty work for better players, even if he can’t score 50 pts.

    Slepy is bland but strikes me the same way. Maroon is just too slow for the Oilers, holding up Connor or not giving Leon the speed he can benefit from on the wings. I’d rather see Khaira as well before Cags and Rattie.

    When the cap opens up other options may emerge. Connor and Nuge don’t need help to score they need someone that doesn’t drag them down and can help get the puck up while Connor is floating high in the D zone.

    Leon can play with JP who can think at his level. Yama with Strome and Luc, to keep an eye on Yama.

    And let them play together for more than a few games!

  96. Scungilli Slushy says:

    leadfarmer:
    While Karlsson on this team would be amazing, I can’t imagine the acquisition cost being less than Nurse JP and our 1st this year and that is just something we don’t have the depth to do.

    Only the Oilers would pay that much given his age, contact status, major injury and stated desired salary.

    I’m not sure Ottawa will get a crazy return and I do think they’ll move him. Unless it’s the Oilers of course.

  97. sliderule says:

    You can tweak the roster but the oil next year will be pretty much what you see now.

    In the CHL Benson and Yamomoto are not ready to help .In fact I have real concern about either ever being ready especially Yamamoto who didn’t do much in playoffs.

    Maksimov and Safin are at least a year or two away but I have more optimism for them..

    The smartest thing for the oilers to do is punt Tmac and give the new coach a chance to make changes perhaps by making sure they are all in condition and only playing players who show consistent effort.

  98. GMB3 says:

    sliderule:
    You can tweak the roster but the oil next year will be pretty much what you see now.

    In the CHL Benson and Yamomoto are not ready to help .In fact I have real concern about either ever being ready especially Yamamoto who didn’t do much in playoffs.

    Maksimov and Safin are at least a year or two away but I have more optimism for them..

    The smartest thing for the oilers to do is punt Tmac and give the new coach a chance to make changes perhaps by making sure they are all in condition and only playing players who show consistent effort.

    Obligatory “beware of small sample sizes”

  99. GMB3 says:

    sliderule,

    sliderule,

    If yammamotos season should be discounted because of a mediocre playoff performance, shouldn’t Bensons stock go up because of a strong playoff performance?

  100. OriginalPouzar says:

    Yamamoto was playing hurt for the entire playoffs – he missed the end of the regular season with injury and carried in to the playoffs. Benson is joining Bakersfield tomorrow, Yamamoto is not, presumably due to injury.

  101. Lowetide says:

    sliderule:
    You can tweak the roster but the oil next year will be pretty much what you see now.

    In the CHL Benson and Yamomoto are not ready to help .In fact I have real concern about either ever being ready especially Yamamoto who didn’t do much in playoffs.

    Maksimov and Safin are at least a year or two away but I have more optimism for them..

    The smartest thing for the oilers to do is punt Tmac and give the new coach a chance to make changes perhaps by making sure they are all in condition and only playing players who show consistent effort.

    Yamamoto was hurt just before the playoffs, impacting his speed.

  102. BONE207 says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    So depressing with this team to be focused on the draft yet again at this time of year.

    The Oilers are starting to remind me of the Cleveland Browns.

    The draft is the only thing maintaining fan interest, and more often than not, the org blows the picks anyway.

    Just my opinion, but in terms of importance: a new HC hire >>>> the next 18 year old in the pipeline

    This organization is at a pivotal point in their history where the right coaching hire can either elevate them into becoming a consistent contender OR the wrong hire or status quote will have them renovating the basement for a nice long stay.

    You know what else would be really exciting? Finding a taker for a Lucic salary dump.

    Actually the only thing exciting in your post is…well…I’ll get back to you.

  103. Confused says:

    sliderule,

    Benson 11 points in 7 games, brilliant in the playoffs

  104. OmJo says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Only the Oilers would pay that much given his age, contact status, major injury and stated desired salary.

    I’m not sure Ottawa will get a crazy return and I do think they’ll move him. Unless it’s the Oilers of course.

    I can see Ottawa getting something substantial for him. Karlsson is as elite as they come and is still going to – barring major injuries ofc – be an excellent OFD for the next decade.

    Can Ottawa give teams right to negotiate a contract with him before making a trade? Even though he isn’t an upcoming UFA?

    I feel like Vegas is going to win the Karlsson sweepstakes. Again.

    That’ll be fun for the play by play announcers.

  105. €√¥£€^$ says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    Nice list LT. You’re love of the draft is much appreciated, at least we could learn about it while suffering through the cause of the high picking.

    I would say your blog has made those that read it the most knowledgeable fan base about the draft, and of course the rest of the hockeying.

    Hear, hear

  106. Bos8 says:

    The question with Benson is will his skating improve going forward? The pelvis, hernia problems go away with time?

    Anyone have info on his health status?

  107. Harpers Hair says:

    OmJo: I can see Ottawa getting something substantial for him. Karlsson is as elite as they come and is still going to – barring major injuries ofc – be an excellent OFD for the next decade.

    Can Ottawa give teams right to negotiate a contract with him before making a trade? Even though he isn’t an upcoming UFA?

    I feel like Vegas is going to win the Karlsson sweepstakes. Again.

    That’ll be fun for the play by play announcers.

    Vegas was reportedly very close to landing him at the deadline. Bet they will be back.

  108. Harpers Hair says:

    Confused:
    sliderule,

    Benson 11 points in 7 games, brilliant in the playoffs

    DeBrincat with his 28th NHL goal tonight.

  109. Confused says:

    Bos8,

    As far as I know he played the whole season, but so did Oscar.

    Obviously, not had a real off-season for two years.

    Will this summer improve his skating, it depends upon if he trains with Terrell Owens or not.

  110. frjohnk says:

    Harpers Hair: Vegas was reportedly very close to landing him at the deadline. Bet they will be back.

    While Karlsson and McDavid would be enticing I think Karlsson to Edmonton is pretty much nonexistent.

    Ottawa wants to attach Ryan to any deal with Karlsson and Vegas almost pulled it off.

    No way does Edmonton do that deal. They would then have 2 of the worst 5 contracts in the league and with the Oilers basically being painted in a corner they cant do that deal.

  111. frjohnk says:

    Harpers Hair: DeBrincat with his 28th NHL goal tonight.

    Damn. Hoping the Blues win. My co-workers son plays for the Blues.

  112. Harpers Hair says:

    frjohnk: Damn.Hoping the Blues win.My co-workers son plays for the Blues.

    Nope.
    DeBrincat also assist on the GWG.

  113. frjohnk says:

    Harpers Hair: Nope.
    DeBrincat also assist on the GWG.

    Double Damn

    Jets are my second favorite team. I like the Stars too but they gone. Was hoping for the Blues to make it so I could have a second team to cheer for in playoffs. Still could. The last game of the season against Colorado should be a gooder.

  114. Bos8 says:

    Confused,

    I’m talking about specifics, ie pelvic girdle, lower stomach muscles due double hernia operation.

    He started slow, went on a 2 pt a game pace, faded and then came on in the playoffs. What little I saw of him he didn’t seem strong on his skates.

  115. Harpers Hair says:

    frjohnk: Double Damn

    Jets are my second favorite team. I like the Stars too but they gone. Was hoping for the Blues to make it so I could have a second team to cheer for in playoffs. Still could.The last game of the season against Colorado should be a gooder.

    They still have a great chance. Rematch against Chicago and then Colorado.

  116. Confused says:

    Bos8,

    Summer training, everyone else, almost, was getting better and faster during the summer.

    Nobody apart from the player and his doctor will know specifics.

    Strong finish is as good an indicator are any. Hockey players are fined tuned athletes, if you are not going forward, you are going backwards.

    No way he physically kept up with the league for the last two years.

    Summer training make and break players these days. Let’s hope he can catch up.

  117. Confused says:

    CHI win!

  118. Old Timer says:

    Anybody trading for Karlsson is likely to overpay for what he now has to offer.

    While he has been the best offensive D man in the NHL for the last few years, his recent injuries have impacted on his game. What is not yet known is whether he can return to his previous levels of skating and production.

    He has been off his game this year. Will he get back to his old form next year and will he be worth what the acquiring team has to pay??

  119. Lowetide says:

    That kid from Div-3 Day scored in the third period, 2-1 Condors late.

  120. Confused says:

    Lowetide,

    Video on Twitter feed, lovely goal!

  121. Jaxon says:

    Kurri as next GM? He’s got some pretty good GM credentials in the Liiga and KHL and he’d be the perfect mentor for Puljujarvi.

  122. Confused says:

    Condors win in the shootout, 2 back 5 to go.

    Can Gerry save his job?

  123. Bos8 says:

    Confused,

    Well considering he got a no talent team after the two lbig boys left, being two points out is pretty remarkable. Making chicken soup out of this chickenshit is akin to “The Miracle at Cana”.

  124. Confused says:

    Bos8,

    Benson arrives tomorrow

  125. Bos8 says:

    Confused,

    He’ll probably meet them in Winnipeg.

    They play the Moose in Winnipeg, Friday and Sunday. I’ll probably go if Benson is playing.

  126. pts2pndr says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Yamamoto was playing hurt for the entire playoffs – he missed the end of the regular season with injury and carried in to the playoffs.Benson is joining Bakersfield tomorrow, Yamamoto is not, presumably due to injury.

    You need to get real re Yamamoto! He is a good prospect but will need time. It is unfair to expect so much from this young man. As a fan base we need to let him mature at his pace! What will be will be!

  127. Lowetide says:

    pts2pndr: You need to get real re Yamamoto! He is a good prospect but will need time. It is unfair to expect so much from this young man. As a fan base weneed to let him mature at his pace! What will be will be!

    Not a matter of real, it’s a matter of cap. Yamamoto, WITH his bonus, is going to be inexpensive. Edmonton needs about six more by fall. He has a real chance to make the team.

  128. GMB3 says:

    frjohnk: Damn.Hoping the Blues win.My co-workers son plays for the Blues.

    Are you from Brandon?? I know at one point Edmundson was one of my good buddies D partner. Or maybe just teammate.

    Pretty sure he played with both Ferland and Edmundson at one time. That would have been a physically intimidating minor hockey team.

  129. JimmyV1965 says:

    Old Timer:
    Anybody trading for Karlsson is likely to overpay for what he now has to offer.

    While he has been the best offensive D man in the NHL for the last few years, his recent injuries have impacted on his game. What is not yet known is whether he can return to his previous levels of skating and production.

    He has been off his game this year. Will he get back to his old form next year and will he be worth what the acquiring team has to pay??

    I get why people may be concerned about the asset cost of acquiring Karlsson, but I truly don’t understand this narrative that he’s having a bad season, or that he’s lost a step.

    The guy has 62 pts, fifth in the NHL among dmen. And he’s doing this in probably the most difficult season he has ever experienced, both on and off the ice.

    Sure his +/- is ugly, but he plays 27 min on a team with a -63 goal differential. The Oil suck and our -31 looks great in comparison. Ottawa’s goaltending might be the worst in the NHL this year.

    And this notion that he’s lost a step is ridiculous. Sure Erik Karlsson has capitalized on his speed, but he’s a great player because of his vision, creativity, passing ability and skill. An ankle injury does not affect that. Hell, the guy was one of the best players in the playoffs last year while playing on the injured ankle.

    Erin Karlsson will be one of the greatest dmen in this league for at least the next eight years

  130. OriginalPouzar says:

    pts2pndr: You need to get real re Yamamoto! He is a good prospect but will need time. It is unfair to expect so much from this young man. As a fan base weneed to let him mature at his pace! What will be will be!

    I don’t need to “get real” or get anything – I was simply responding to a comment using his “not doing much in the playoffs” with factual information related thereto.

    Thank you for the adversarial and condescending tone though – very welcoming.

  131. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Confused:
    Condors win in the shootout, 2 back 5 to go.

    Can Gerry save his job?

    2 back of what? 5th place?

  132. GMB3 says:

    Ironic that Chia spent a good portion of his summer signing AHL vets who aren’t even good AHL vets.

  133. Yeti says:

    Jaxon,

    There was a young player called Puljujärvi,
    Who escaped from the Finnish army.
    The Oilers granted his wish,
    To teach him English,
    So he could communicate rather smartly.

  134. Professor Q says:

    GMB3:
    Ironic that Chia spent a good portion of his summer signing AHL vets who aren’t even good AHL vets.

    Perhaps more vetting should have occurred beforehand.

  135. GMB3 says:

    Wow. Its actually possible for us to finish last in the west. Unlikely, but possible. Make it so. #firethemall

    Was the rumoured ask for Dougie H a throw in of Darnell at the draft?

  136. Professor Q says:

    GMB3,

    At that point you might as well go all the way and put in Drai as well for the Subban deal instead. I think he’d be that much more impactful than Hamilton.

  137. GMB3 says:

    Professor Q: Perhaps more vetting should have occurred beforehand.

    Wholeheartedly agree. By the way, the other day when I asked if you were an actual professor, it was not meant to be offensive.

  138. Professor Q says:

    GMB3: Wholeheartedly agree. By the way, the other day when I asked if you were an actual professor, it was not meant to be offensive.

    Understood. It got out of hand quickly and I am glad that it got handled. My apologies, to you and Mr. Lowetide.

  139. OriginalPouzar says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): 2 back of what? 5th place?

    Of a playoff spot.

    Top 4 teams make it and it goes by points percentage not points as all teams don’t play the same number of games. .577 vs .540 – that’s the difference in points percentage between 4th and where they are in 6th – unlikely but possible.

  140. OriginalPouzar says:

    GMB3:
    Ironic that Chia spent a good portion of his summer signing AHL vets who aren’t even good AHL vets.

    A good portion of the summer or was it one day?

  141. ArmchairGM says:

    JimmyV1965:

    The guy has 62 pts…

    Erin Karlsson will be one of the greatest dmen in this league for at least the next eight years

    62 points… so he has less offensive impact on the game than Draisaitl. And due to his average defensive play, he probably has the overall impact of Nugent-Hopkins. But he plays 25 minutes per game, so his impact/60 is probably more like that of Ryan Strome.

    Yeah, I’d do that trade.

  142. Wilde says:

    ArmchairGM: 62 points… so he has less offensive impact on the game than Draisaitl.

    Ok, whoa.

    We’re literally going to use solely points as a measure of offensive impact?

    Erik Karlsson is a peerlessly gifted all zone defenseman. The overall impact of Nugent-Hopkins?

    Mindblowing take. Erik Karlsson. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins. What?

    EK pulls Ottawa’s shots for per hour up by about 7, and their shots against per hour down by 7. That’s against the toughest comp the team faces.

    Leon, as a centre, pulls Edmonton’s shots for per hour up by 1 and a half. EK crushes him in offensive facilitation, while also ensuring his team has the puck enough that he has an elite relative shot suppression effect.

    Karlsson is bonafide rink-tilter, just like 97. Drai’s not close, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, well…

  143. sliderule says:

    Confused:
    sliderule,

    Benson 11 points in 7 games, brilliant in the playoffs

    He had a nice playoff but high second round pick in his second year should

    Chase our failed seventh round pick had 11 pts in 10 games but with 7 goals

    When you watch Benson you can see his smarts but skating will be a problem.

  144. ArmchairGM says:

    Wilde: Ok, whoa.

    We’re literally going to use solely points as a measure of offensive impact?

    Erik Karlsson is a peerlessly gifted all zone defenseman. The overall impact of Nugent-Hopkins?

    Mindblowing take. Erik Karlsson. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins. What?

    EK pulls Ottawa’s shots for per hour up by about 7, and their shots against per hour down by 7. That’s against the toughest comp the team faces.

    Leon, as a centre, pulls Edmonton’s shots for per hour up by 1 and a half. EK crushes him in offensive facilitation, while also ensuring his team has the puck enough that he has an elite relative shot suppression effect.

    Karlsson is bonafide rink-tilter, just like 97. Drai’s not close, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, well…

    Read it again. I edited it for more sarcasm content.

  145. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    JimmyV1965,

    This is why the Oilers can’t have nice things IMO.

    The only downside to getting Erik Karlsson is the stress of having to offload two of Sekera, Russell, Lucic in the summer of 2019 to make way for his payday contract.

    The guy scores at 1Line levels 5v5 and he’s a defenseman

    He makes Hedman look pedestrian in every single individual metric and he does it with 6 inches and 35 pounds less, playing on a team sans perennial all-stars in a supporting cast.

    He would also be working with Coffey who is without doubt going to be replacing someone behind the bench next year and who would understand exactly who Karlsson is as a player.

    Agreed, be nervous about the acquisition cost that’s fair although I don’t know if its correct either, Ottawa doesn’t have a history of winning big trades or keeping its stars happy when it does have them. Plus they have an owner who may or may not be pulling strings behind the scenes. Slagging his play on the other hand is bizarre, Karlsson is this generation’s most consistent offensive defensman, he is a gold plated all-star with two Norris trophies to his name before his 28th birthday playing on a franchise where offense goes to die. Last season he proved that he can play a hard two-way game and still put up 70 points.

    Dorion was hanging around the Oilers too much in the 2nd half of the season and Klefbom was shut-down shortly after all of those showings. I am convinced there is some smoke here.

    If Ottawa wins the draft lottery Klefbom and the 2019 1st gets it done.

    If Ottawa doesn’t win the draft lottery, Klefbom and the 2018 1st gets it done.

  146. ArmchairGM says:

    SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo!:
    JimmyV1965,

    This is why the Oilers can’t have nice things IMO.

    The only downside to getting Erik Karlsson is the stress of having to offload two of Sekera, Russell, Lucic in the summer of 2019 to make way for his payday contract.

    The guy scores at 1Line levels 5v5 and he’s a defenseman

    He makes Hedman look pedestrian in every single individual metric and he does it with 6 inches and 35 pounds less, playing on a team sans perennial all-stars in a supporting cast.

    He would also be working with Coffey who is without doubt going to be replacing someone behind the bench next year and who would understand exactly who Karlsson is as a player.

    Agreed, be nervous about the acquisition cost that’s fair although I don’t know if its correct either, Ottawa doesn’t have a history of winning big trades or keeping its stars happy when it does have them. Plus they have an owner who may or may not be pulling strings behind the scenes. Slagging his play on the other hand is bizarre, Karlsson is this generation’s most consistent offensive defensman, he is a gold plated all-star with two Norris trophies to his name before his 28th birthday playing on a franchise where offense goes to die. Last season he proved that he can play a hard two-way game and still put up 70 points.

    Dorion was hanging around the Oilers too much in the 2nd half of the season and Klefbom was shut-down shortly after all of those showings. I am convinced there is some smoke here.

    If Ottawa wins the draft lottery Klefbom and the 2019 1st gets it done.

    If Ottawa doesn’t win the draft lottery, Klefbom and the 2018 1st gets it done.

    And when (not if) the Oilers win the draft lottery?

  147. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    ArmchairGM,

    Well in that case we just laugh as Gary Bettman and Jason Botterill’s heads explode

    I’d still trade for Karlsson though.

    I honestly can’t think of a better way to develop Dahlin than having him sheltered on the ice and mentored off the ice by Erik Karlsson

  148. frjohnk says:

    SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo!:
    JimmyV1965,

    This is why the Oilers can’t have nice things IMO.

    The only downside to getting Erik Karlsson is the stress of having to offload two of Sekera, Russell, Lucic in the summer of 2019 to make way for his payday contract.

    The guy scores at 1Line levels 5v5 and he’s a defenseman

    He makes Hedman look pedestrian in every single individual metric and he does it with 6 inches and 35 pounds less, playing on a team sans perennial all-stars in a supporting cast.

    He would also be working with Coffey who is without doubt going to be replacing someone behind the bench next year and who would understand exactly who Karlsson is as a player.

    Agreed, be nervous about the acquisition cost that’s fair although I don’t know if its correct either, Ottawa doesn’t have a history of winning big trades or keeping its stars happy when it does have them. Plus they have an owner who may or may not be pulling strings behind the scenes. Slagging his play on the other hand is bizarre, Karlsson is this generation’s most consistent offensive defensman, he is a gold plated all-star with two Norris trophies to his name before his 28th birthday playing on a franchise where offense goes to die. Last season he proved that he can play a hard two-way game and still put up 70 points.

    Dorion was hanging around the Oilers too much in the 2nd half of the season and Klefbom was shut-down shortly after all of those showings. I am convinced there is some smoke here.

    If Ottawa wins the draft lottery Klefbom and the 2019 1st gets it done.

    If Ottawa doesn’t win the draft lottery, Klefbom and the 2018 1st gets it done.

    Ottawa desperately wants to get rid of Ryan, they feel that the only way to get rid of him is to put Karlsson and Ryan together. They almost got a deal done with Vegas with Ryan and Karlsson both going there. We should expect whoever gets Karlsson also gets Ryan this summer

    McDavid 12.5
    Drai 8.5
    Ryan 7.25
    Karlsson 6.5
    RNH 6
    Lucic 6
    Sekera 5.5
    Larsson 4.1
    Talbot 4.1
    Russell 4
    Nurse 4*****
    Strome 3****

    Thats 71.5M for 12 roster players.

    In that group, we do have the best offensive forward and Dman, also have 2 of the worst contracts in the league.

    Other shoes would have to drop, we could not fit this lineup within the salary cap.

  149. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    frjohnk,

    This may have been the case during the season for sure but things are different once you get to the off-season.

    Ryan could be traded to a team like the Canucks who will need actual NHL bodies and will have loads of cap space.

    Or perhaps Gaborik hangs them up after another injury riddled campaign this year and all of a sudden Ryan’s contract is palpable? Who knows maybe Montreal could find a use for him, Bergevin loves knee jerk trades for older players.

    And the bigger question for Vegas gonna be parting it’s 2019 1st rounder after giving up their first this year for Tatar.

    I don’t think Vegas is a slam dunk and I’m willing to dream here.

  150. frjohnk says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!:
    frjohnk,

    This may have been the case during the season for sure but things are different once you get to the off-season.

    Ryan could be traded to a team like the Canucks who will need actual NHL bodies and will have loads of cap space.

    Or perhaps Gaborik hangs them up after another injury riddled campaign this year and all of a sudden Ryan’s contract is palpable? Who knows maybe Montreal could find a use for him, Bergevin loves knee jerk trades for older players.

    And the bigger question for Vegas gonna be parting it’s 2019 1st rounder after giving up their first this year for Tatar.

    I don’t think Vegas is a slam dunk and I’m willing to dream here.

    I do think if Ryan is not attached, then there will be a quite a few bidders for Karlsson. A team that can afford to pay with a bunch of prospects and picks is probably who gets Karlsson.

    The team I think he ends up within a year.

    Tampa

  151. Jaxon says:

    SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo!: If Ottawa wins the draft lottery Klefbom and the 2019 1st gets it done.

    If Edmotnon wins the draft lottery, they don’t need to go after Karlsson. They’ll draft Dahlin who many think will be better than Karlsson and come at a way cheaper cost for the first 3 years. If they get Dahlin you trade Klefbom (and possibly picks) for another solid right-handed D. It doesn’t need to be a bank breaker like Karlsson.

    Dahlin – Larsson (not that Dahlin should play on the first pair right off the bat, but that will be the eventual depth chart possibly very early in the season)
    Nurse – (maybe Klefbom + for one of these?: Pulock, Severson, Dumba, Montour, Trouba, Manson, Barrie)
    Sekera/Russell (until next summer when one or both gets traded) – Benning (Benning quietly put together a decent season even though most people are down in his value, with 17 of 20 pts at evens).

  152. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    OriginalPouzar: Of a playoff spot.

    Top 4 teams make it and it goes by points percentage not points as all teams don’t play the same number of games. .577 vs .540 – that’s the difference in points percentage between 4th and where they are in 6th – unlikely but possible.

    I know. But the Condors would have to have 2 more wins in their games played. Making up 2 games over 5 doesn’t cut it.

  153. GMB3 says:

    OriginalPouzar: A good portion of the summer or was it one day?

    Sorry, a good portion of his summer moves! My bad, I’ll spell it out for ya next time coopzie

  154. GMB3 says:

    Professor Q: Understood. It got out of hand quickly and I am glad that it got handled. My apologies, to you and Mr. Lowetide.

    Likewise!

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