G81 2017-18: Golden Knights at Oilers

We should see a much stronger team in Bakersfield next season, although one wonders if that fine city will ever see a trio with the combined talent of Leon Draisaitl, Darnell Nurse and Jesse Puljujarvi in the next 30 years. Edmonton needs the Condors to send them men like Jason Chimera, Fernando Pisani, Kyle Brodziak, Tyler Pitlick. Your impact players don’t play in the American League, but it would be damned foolish to overlook a key component of a successful NHL franchise.

THE ATHLETIC!

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BEING THERE, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers in April 2016: 0-1-0, goal differential -5
  • Oilers in April 2017: 1-0-0, goal differential +1 
  • Oilers in April 2018: 0-1-0, goal differential -3
  • April 6, 2016: Edmonton 6, Vancouver 2 (Source)
  • April 4, 2017: Los Angeles 6, Edmonton 4 (Source)

Not much to say, it’s incredible when April and the playoffs come and it’s pain when April arrives and it’s the end. I’ve been an Oilers fan for every spring since 1972 and the playoffs are the promised land. Not getting there, after getting there for the first time in a decade, seems senselessly cruel.

AFTER 80, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers 15-16: 30-43-7, goal differential -53 (67 points)
  • Oilers 16-17: 45-26-9, goal differential +40 (99 points)
  • Oilers 17-18: 34-40-6, goal differential -34 (74 points)
  • April 6, 2016: Edmonton 6, Vancouver 2 (Source)
  • April 8, 2017: Edmonton 3, Vancouver 2 (Source)

There was a time when 80 points was possible but now Todd McLellan needs two wins to get to 78 for the season. That’s going to be a tough conversation at the exit meeting. I think he has a story (roster quality) but you can’t fire 23 players.

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM APRIL

  • On the road to: Minnesota (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • At home to: Vegas, Vancouver (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected results: 1-2-0, two points in three games
  • Overall actual results: 0-1-0, zero points in one game 

Jesse Puljujarvi’s stats don’t look fab straight on, but rummage around a little and there’s a story to tell. Consider his ranking among Edmonton forwards in primary points who have played 20 or more games (Corsica):

  1. Connor McDavid 2.31
  2. Leon Draisaitl 1.97
  3. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 1.39
  4. Jesse Puljujarvi 1.22
  5. Anton Slepyshev 1.21
  6. Ryan Strome 1.13
  7. Patrick Maroon 1.07
  8. Drake Caggiula 1.04
  9. Jujhar Khaira 1.02
  10. Zack Kassian 0.92
  11. Milan Lucic 0.78
  12. Mark Letestu 0.69
  13. Iiro Pakarinen 0.53

Let’s say you can pick only six players from this group for next season and the rest are free agents. Any fool would choose McDavid, Draisaitl, Nuge, but after that I think there might be some difference of opinion. My final three are Puljujarvi, Slepyshev and Khaira. You? I hope the Oilers get a goal from the LD line tonight, it would be very good to see the big Finn leave for summer on a high note.

5×5 scoring per 60 (FORWARDS)

Same question. Name your six keepers. Mine are McDavid, Draisaitl, Nuge, Slepyshev, Khaira, Puljujarvi. Yours? My No. 7 name would be Maroon on a reasonable contract and then Yamamoto (who may or may not start in Bakersfield).

Edmonton has some heavy prices on men like Milan Lucic, Ryan Strome, Zack Kassian. There’s a chance those three men will play in the bottom 6F next season while using up almost $11 million in cap. That’s too much by plenty.

Interesting article with some Oilers content inside. I have a ’24-hour’ policy on quoting content, so won’t post the quote, but do recommend you click on the article.

POSSIBLE CONDORS 2018-19 ROSTER

There’s miles to go and none of the names on this list is assured of an NHL career. It’s also important to note (as mentioned above) an AHL team rarely sees a Draisaitl, Nurse or Puljujarvi at all, so the difficult business of grinding players into useful NHL role players is the discussion point with this (incomplete) roster.

In the “Farm Workers” post last spring, I wrote:

  • Daniel Cleary, Fernando Pisani and Jason Chimera became productive players in the toughest league on the planet. THEY are the stars in this study. I remember each of these men in the minors, and the one thing they did was improve offensively. Pisani arrived from college with a fairly complete toolkit, but didn’t score a bunch until year two AHL. Same with Chimera, and the ‘Hawks had confused Clearly so he needed a full AHL season after coming over. Current Condors who spiked offensively in year two? Joey Laleggia, Anton Slepyshev and Jujhar Khaira. That’s your list.

An offensive spike from Gambardella in the coming season would be most welcome, and my guess is Caleb Jones returns in the fall determined to have a strong season. Newcomers like Lagesson and Safin will be starting their journey (probably) but the goal would be the same. From the list of last spring, Jujhar Khaira took the biggest step forward and established himself as an NHL player. I believe Slepyshev is worthy of the same investment.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A busy show with a lot to discuss. It all starts at 10 this morning, TSN 1260, scheduled to appear:

  • Gary Lawless, Golden Knights insider. A dream season for Vegas, we’ll chat about what went right (because nothing went wrong).
  • Rob Vollman, NHL.com and ESPN. Sedins, who wins the Norris and the ideal landing spot for young Dahlin.
  • Frank Seravalli, TSN. The NHL season comes to a close this weekend, and the changes in management and coaching across the league could be massive. Where do the Oilers stand?

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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  1. Harpers Hair says:

    OmJo: Excellent post.

    At the end of the day, until the teams losing starts hurting his wallet, he doesn’t have much incentive to drastically improve the team. That’s what I believe. He’s making billions on top of his billions from the team, and is collecting glory day Oilers like they’re real life hockey cards.

    Honestly, I think our best bet is Bobby Orr giving Katz a call and telling him that if McDavid isn’t in the playoffs within the next two seasons then he’s gone.

    This.

  2. leadfarmer says:

    Lowetide,

    If we are going to give any importance to advanced stats we must admit that as amazing as that run was the smart bet would be on Detroit 99 times out of 100 and resulted in the old boys club leading this team into a decade of wondering in the desert

  3. Gerta Rauss says:

    sweet…!

  4. Munny says:

    Rattie finds Nuge wide open and it’s in

  5. Lowetide says:

    Nuge scored.

  6. StixMalone says:

    Nuge!

  7. Gerta Rauss says:

    McPoints….!

    *drink*

  8. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Tic tac toe. That McDavid though. Only collects secondary assists. Pfft.

  9. Lowetide says:

    leadfarmer:
    Lowetide,

    If we are going to give any importance to advanced stats we must admit that as amazing as that run was the smart bet would be on Detroit 99 times out of 100 and resulted in the old boys club leading this team into a decade of wondering in the desert

    Detroit I’ll give you, although they were too slow to adjust and that killed them (great series).

  10. leadfarmer says:

    Harpers Hair: This.

    Yes it’s every rich guys dream to buy a professional franchise and have it be the laughing stock of the league. Get real

  11. leadfarmer says:

    Lowetide: Detroit I’ll give you, although they were too slow to adjust and that killed them (great series).

    Sometimes goalering is important 🙂

    Traded the Lucic pick to make that run and then pick up Lucic 10years too late. Aghhh
    I knew he was coming here that offseason and was yelling from my Wisconsin woods this is not the Lucic type player we want

  12. Munny says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    McPoints….!

    *drink*

    Oilers leading the League in posts. Who knew? 😉

  13. Gerta Rauss says:

    Islanders hang on and win in regulation

    That doesn’t quite mean they finish with more points than the Oilers, but it’s pretty darn close

  14. Munny says:

    Good shift.

  15. Munny says:

    Beauty steal by Camo, sets up Kass who dribbles it wide.

  16. Harpers Hair says:

    leadfarmer: Yes it’s every rich guys dream to buya professional franchise and have it be the laughing stock of the league.Get real

    Seems to be the modus operandi.

  17. Munny says:

    Jesus Jewel

  18. Harpers Hair says:

    Man-Games Lost NHL

    @ManGamesLostNHL
    1h1 hour ago
    More
    NHL top 5 teams, impact of man-games lost (by cumulative minutes of players lost, CMIP)

    1 VAN
    2 BUF
    3 MTL
    4 ANA
    5 BOS

    Had the Canucks experienced an average injury situation, they would easily have finished ahead of Calgary, Chicago and Edmonton. That they are are a crappy team, this puts things into perspective.

  19. leadfarmer says:

    Harpers Hair: Seems to be the modus operandi.

    So you really think he would rather watch this team be a basement dweller even though it wouldn’t cost him anything extra to have a competitive franchise and in fact playoffs would bring him more money.

    He must really be a Dys fan

  20. Nailer Yakumoto says:

    Does Jesse look a little revitalized to anyone else?

  21. Lowetide says:

    After One

    1-0 Edmonton
    Shots 9-8 LV
    Corsi for 5×5: 16-13 LV

  22. Lowetide says:

    Nailer Yakumoto:
    Does Jesse look a little revitalized to anyone else?

    Two great looks, using his legs. Yes.

  23. Confused says:

    Harpers Hair,

    Another meaningless stat.

    One game missed by Connor has a greater impact than an entire missed season by Pak.

    Always quality rather than quantity.

  24. Professor Q says:

    The frequent mispronunciation of William Carrier’s name is both irritating and hilarious.

  25. Wayne Kenov says:

    Lowetide: I don’t agree with this take. That Oilers team had challenges (power play, backup goalie) but also enormous strengths. Lowe did a splendid job on that team and it remains one of my favorite Oilers clubs.

    Detroit had 58 wins. That’s more than any team since. Had 8 20+ goal scorers. 4 players over 80 pts per game, which would put them in the top 26 scorers in the league at that time. Legace was 8th in the league in save pct. 2 defensemen who scored more pts than Pronger (1 and 7 in league scoring). Out of the top 80 fwds in the league in terms of pts, Detroit had 6, which is essentially saying they had 2 first lines. Then they had Samuelsson at 45 pts, which was high 2nd line rate, and Yzerman had 34pts in 61 games. Then they had some stud grinders like Draper, Cleary, Franzen and Maltby. You are high as a kite if you think that the 06 Oilers team should be favoured over them.

    San Jose lacked a goalie, but had what was probably the most dangerous line in hockey at the time. Plus a solid D, and a ton of depth.

    We were probably better than Anaheim, but it was really close. Plus they had 2 goalies who were superior to our 1.

    We were 1000 times better than Carolina.

    Lowe made a handful of great trades that year (Samsonov, Peca, Pronger, and Roloson), and full credit to him. Essentially every trade before and since that year was an L. We should not get lost in the fact that we went on an incredible run of luck that was paid for in blood (Smyth’s mostly).

  26. HT Joe says:

    Devils going to the playoffs! Good luck Taylor Hall.

  27. leadfarmer says:

    Harpers Hair:
    Man-Games Lost NHL

    @ManGamesLostNHL1h1 hour ago
    More
    NHL top 5 teams, impact of man-games lost (by cumulative minutes of players lost, CMIP)

    1 VAN
    2 BUF
    3 MTL
    4 ANA
    5 BOS

    Had the Canucks experienced an average injury situation, they would easily have finished ahead of Calgary, Chicago and Edmonton. That they are are a crappy team, this puts things into perspective.

    Yes lost Dorsett Erickson Gudbrandson and Bartchi. Everyone shed a tear.
    Although it Sucks for Boeser to lose getting the runner up for the Calder trophy

  28. Professor Q says:

    Wayne Kenov,

    They had 4 players with 6560+ points each that season?!

    Someone tell Gretzky…

  29. Confused says:

    How much are teams cheating on our PP?

    With Oscar’s shoulder problems, we had, have, no real point shot, so how much is everyone ignoring this possibility?

  30. Lowetide says:

    For The Athletic: A look at AHL forwards in Edmonton’s system who succeeded in the past, and those who are auditioning now (a comparison). Plus a possible value free agent.

    https://theathletic.com/302123/2018/04/05/lowetide-are-there-any-condors-forwards-ready-to-take-flight/

  31. Confused says:

    Lowetide,

    Brodziak back for a year as a cheap 4RC?

  32. Munny says:

    Slumpbusting Jewel

  33. StixMalone says:

    Who you gonna call? Slumpbusters!

  34. Professor Q says:

    Why…why was no one covering McNabb? Let him deke all the way through just because a stick broke?

  35. Pretendergast says:

    Benning pt 2

  36. Munny says:

    Talbot doesn’t really want win 30?

  37. Professor Q says:

    Todd looks tired and as if he doesn’t care anymore.

  38. StixMalone says:

    Professor Q:
    Todd looks tired and as if he doesn’t care anymore.

    His goalie let another questionable one go in….

  39. Professor Q says:

    StixMalone: His goalie let another questionable one go in….

    There are only so many times that happens before it gets tiring, I agree. For some reason it’s almost every game for Talbot, and too many times on the first few shots.

  40. Ribs says:

    Lowetide: Outstanding.
    Thanks!

  41. Munny says:

    Some smart work by Pujo in his own end.

  42. Lowetide says:

    Confused:
    Lowetide,

    Brodziak back for a year as a cheap 4RC?

    I think they’ll take a run at Ryan but Brodziak would be on my list for sure.

  43. Professor Q says:

    That looked like it might have been a trip/slewfoot on Drai?

  44. Munny says:

    Linesman finally gets an Oiler loss on the faceoff 😉

  45. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Too many left shots on that PP there.

  46. StixMalone says:

    Drai having a tough nite so far….

  47. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Gotta love the 3 foot high passes into the waist by Lucic. He’s got hands though

  48. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Ruseell decides to play zone all by himself.

  49. Gerta Rauss says:

    Nice little flurry there started with a nice play/pass from Cammalleri

  50. Munny says:

    Cammalleri might be smarter than the whole bottom half of the roster added together.

  51. €√¥£€^$ says:

    This team has nothing left, I am falling asleep trying to watch this passion-less team. This will be the second game in-a-row that I have not watched the third period. I feel sorry for the folks that paid good money to go watch this, woof. Good night all!

  52. Lowetide says:

    After Two

    2-1 LV (2-0 LV in the second)
    Shots: 20-20 (12-11 Edmonton in the second)
    Corsi for 5×5: 30-26 Edmonton (17-10 Edmonton in the second)

  53. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Munny:
    Cammalleri might be smarter than the whole bottom half of the roster added together.

    bottom half only? I kid, I kid. He is smart. I have time for him on a 1 year extension at cheap dollars, especially if they can’t find better out there.

  54. Hardly ever angry says:

    Lowetide: I think they’ll take a run at Ryan but Brodziak would be on my list for sure.

    LT can you please expand your thoughts with us on what you feel about Ryan.

  55. Lowetide says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    Ruseell decides to play zone all by himself.

    He’s done that a few times lately, and I think he’s right.

  56. Lowetide says:

    Hardly ever angry: LT can you please expand your thoughts with us on what you feel about Ryan.

    Bob has mentioned Derek Ryan many times, and I suspect the organization remains interested. Carolina may re-sign him but adding Ryan on a value deal makes sense on all kinds of levels (FO, etc).

  57. Jaxon says:

    So if Edmonton loses one and wins one in their final two games it looks like they’ll be ranked 7th for the lottery. Detroit can’t catch them anymore.

  58. leadfarmer says:

    StixMalone: His goalie let another questionable one go in….

    Ok this is getting ridiculous. Yes Talbot has not had the best season but I can’t imagine how well any goalie would play behind this team. Those were two grade A opportunities that the Knights cashed on

  59. Hardly ever angry says:

    Lowetide,

    Thank you 🙂

  60. Rocknrolla says:

    Is there anything we can learn about William Karla sons numbers in the Swiss and junior leagues with NHLE?

    You see him take this massive step this year, and I know the shooting % is high, but it looks like he was a point per game guy in the AHL.

    Could it be the case of a skilled player not playing with enough good players in the top 6, or is it all TOI? Curious about this case…could that be similar to Aberg? Not sure if the leagues are similar in SWeden.

  61. Confused says:

    Hardly ever angry,

    We need a 4RC to play PK1 with JJ

  62. Gerta Rauss says:

    Jaxon:
    So if Edmonton loses one and wins one in their final two games it looks like they’ll be ranked 7th for the lottery. Detroit can’t catch them anymore.

    It’s looking that way

    If they come back and win tonight and Saturday they can still leapfrog a couple of teams (assuming those teams lose)

    And 2 wins by Van (tonight) and against the Oilers Sat, the Oilers could still move up to 6th, but yes, 7th is the likely outcome (pre-lottery)

  63. Munny says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): bottom half only? I kid, I kid. He is smart. I have time for him on a 1 year extension at cheap dollars, especially if they can’t find better out there.

    That works for me too.

  64. leadfarmer says:

    Lowetide: Bob has mentioned Derek Ryan many times, and I suspect the organization remains interested. Carolina may re-sign him but adding Ryan on a value deal makes sense on all kinds of levels (FO, etc).

    Derek Ryan. No way. Everyone knows that our fourth line is where offense goes to die. Has been for years. Why now.
    We need to bring back Belanger lander and Petrell for the 4th line. Then at least I’d feel comfortable. We could keep Klinkhammer on the bench just in case one of the other guys goes of the deep end and scores a point

  65. Gerta Rauss says:

    hee hee….Benning..!!!

    *edit-no McPoints…(Strome, Caggiula)

  66. Munny says:

    Benning bangs it in

  67. Gerta Rauss says:

    McDavid wreaking havoc results in chaos and a PP chance

  68. Munny says:

    Draisaitl uses his butt like Gordie Howe at times

  69. Pretendergast says:

    Rocknrolla:
    Is there anything we can learn about William Karla sons numbers in the Swiss and junior leagues with NHLE?

    You see him take this massive step this year, and I know the shooting % is high, but it looks like he was a point per game guy in the AHL.

    Could it be the case of a skilled player not playing with enough good players in the top 6, or is it all TOI?Curious about this case…could that be similar to Aberg?Not sure if the leagues are similar in SWeden.

    I think this is a great idea for the Oil, give up lesser assets, maybe draft picks for players like Haula and Karlsson. Guys blocked from greater roles who could step up ala Maroon (cough pro scouts cough)

    LT, is there an article we could read here or the Athletic on players who might fit this ilk?

  70. Gerta Rauss says:

    *gong*

    2 shots on the PP but nothin’ doin’

  71. Munny says:

    CMD doesn’t looks like he trusts Jewel’s capability in the bumper hole.

  72. Jaxon says:

    Gerta Rauss: And 2 wins by Van (tonight) and against the Oilers Sat, the Oilers could still move up to 6th

    Oh yeah, I didn’t notice that Vancouver was 4 back with the same regulation/overtime wins and two games left.

  73. Gerta Rauss says:

    Jaxon: Oh yeah, I didn’t notice that Vancouver was 4 back with the same regulation/overtime wins and two games left.

    Looks like they just tied it against ARI

  74. Pretendergast says:

    leon jesse i likey

  75. Gerta Rauss says:

    Beauty feed from Jesse but Leon is denied

  76. Munny says:

    Pujo with a great feed to Drai. Subban huge save.

  77. Munny says:

    What is faster than a rocket?

  78. Munny says:

    Ill-advised pass by Bear who telegraphs that drop back every time.

  79. Gerta Rauss says:

    Cammy..!!

    *edit-2nd McPoint…!!

  80. jp says:

    Zero reason not to bring that guy back. Seriously.

  81. Munny says:

    McPointy to Camo!!

  82. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Oh look. Cammy goes to a high danger spot and he cashes.

    Ricki where are you?

  83. Spooky Lynx says:

    I think Connor just passed Weight for the most points in a season by an Oiler in my lifetime.

  84. Lowetide says:

    Really good chem between Leon and JP tonight.

  85. Lowetide says:

    Rattie scored.

  86. Munny says:

    Ratfink!!

  87. Munny says:

    Could see that coming.

  88. Younger Oil says:

    I think Rattie has demonstrated a few things in his 13 game tenure:

    1. McDavid does not need a great winger, just one that can somewhat keep up with him and get to the right places.

    2. McDavid does not need a 6’3”, 240 lb winger to be successful.

    3. Good lord is Lucic bad.

  89. Munny says:

    His shot has come a long way. Or maybe it’s his belief in it.

  90. Munny says:

    Whistle? Why?

    Oh shitty call.

  91. StixMalone says:

    Wow weak one

  92. Nailer Yakumoto says:

    As is tradition.

  93. Pretendergast says:

    How are referees such a joke in a professional league like this?

    This is embarrassing

  94. Munny says:

    Whattasave

  95. Pretendergast says:

    What. A. Save

  96. Munny says:

    Survived.

  97. Gerta Rauss says:

    Talbot highway robbery with seconds to spare

  98. Munny says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    Talbot highway robbery with seconds to spare

    Pride save.

  99. Pretendergast says:

    Connor has the same PPG as Mackinnon can he win the Hart now. 😮

  100. OmJo says:

    I propose the NHL introduce coaches challenges for penalty calls because holy shit somebody has to do something about the refs.

    If a call like that happens in game 7 of the SCF…

  101. striatic says:

    Younger Oil: 1. McDavid does not need a great winger, just one that can somewhat keep up with him and get to the right places.

    The second half of that isn’t always the simplest task, but at least it should be a cheap task.

  102. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Nice save on the rebound by Talbot to preserve the win the refs almost stole.

  103. Iztok Turk says:

    Nice hard-fought victory for the walking dead – good on Captain Connor. The shape of things to come?

    ps. I don’t give a s**t about the Devils making the playoffs this year – not sure why anyone else on this site should.

  104. Gerta Rauss says:

    OmJo: I propose the NHL introduce coaches challenges for penalty calls because holy shit somebody has to do something about the refs.

    I think in a case like that the situation room should be able to call down and overrule a play-it was clearly a VGK stick that tripped up the player

  105. oilersfan says:

    While Rattie has played 13 games it’s only been 11 with mcdavid and 9 with both mcdavid and Nuge.
    In those 9 games he has 9 points. Small sample size but encouraging.

    While I hope lucic rebounds next season in all seriousness I suspect the oilers would be better if he was a healthy scratch. Mcdavid doubles his point production when lucic went off his line and since lucic went to play with strome I don’t think strome has a point.

    It’s not just that he is slow and has poor agility, he handles the puck like a beach ball in a hurricane. He makes JF Jacques look like Hemsly with his ability to (not) make or take a pass

  106. JimmyV1965 says:

    leadfarmer: Ok this is getting ridiculous.Yes Talbot has not had the best season but I can’t imagine how well any goalie would play behind this team.Those were two grade A opportunities that the Knights cashed on

    I’m not trying to be an ahole here, but sometimes a goalie has to make a save on the 2 on 1s, especially when the shooter is outside the face off circle. Every team has defensive breakdowns. Some goalies are better at bailing out their team.

  107. Younger Oil says:

    oilersfan:
    While Rattie has played 13 games it’s only been 11 with mcdavid and 9 with both mcdavid and Nuge.
    In those 9 games he has 9 points. Small sample size but encouraging.

    While I hope lucic rebounds next season in all seriousness I suspect the oilers would be better if he was a healthy scratch. Mcdavid doubles his point production when lucic went off his line and since lucic went to play with strome I don’t think strome has a point.

    It’s not just that he is slow and has poor agility, he handles the puck like a beach ball in a hurricane. He makes JF Jacques look like Hemsly with his ability to (not) make or take a pass

    Lucic has four points in his last 34 games.

    Hall got that many on Tuesday.

    I agree, he is below replacement level at this point. One of the worst contracts in the NHL at this point, and so many people called it before he was even signed.

  108. AshetonisGod says:

    Quinn mentioned that Connor has 52 points in last 32 games. Back of the envelope RE. Prorate that over 82 games for 133 points. Discount that by 10% b/c no one can keep up that pace. 120 points. Add 15 more points back for figuring out the PP. 135 points. I can’t wait to see what he does next yr.

  109. Gerta Rauss says:

    With the win tonight, we can’t finish any higher than 7OV draft position*

    We can still pick as low as 10th* if we win again Saturday and CHI and the New Yorkers lose all of their games

    *pre-lotto balls

  110. jp says:

    Younger Oil: Lucic has four points in his last 34 games.

    Hall got that many on Tuesday.

    I agree, he is below replacement level at this point. One of the worst contracts in the NHL at this point, and so many people called it before he was even signed.

    Those numbers are truly remarkable. I didn’t realize it was quite THAT bad. And in 15+ min a night, with PP time and decent/good linemates.

    To be fair, I don’t know if anyone called him falling off a cliff at age 29. More like 31 or 32. I’m hoping for at least a partial rebound, but that contract is terrifying.

  111. AshetonisGod says:

    jp,

    I’m hoping for a rebound too and, if none is coming, a coach willing to sit him in press box and give home 4th line minutes.

  112. Woogie63 says:

    Does Cooper Marody sign on Friday and play Saturday?

  113. who says:

    Really liked Kharias game on Drais left wing tonight. Also thought JP had his moments on the right side. Although the play did die on his stick a few too many times.
    Watching the Canucks game to see the Sedins send off. Every time I watch Brendan Leipsic play, in Portland, in Vegas, and now in Vancouver, he does something that impresses me. Wonder what it would take to acquire him.

  114. Gerta Rauss says:

    Daniel Sedin scores the OT winner, assists to Henrik and Edler

    I remember their first game

    Great career(s)

  115. Nailer Yakumoto says:

    Storybook ending on home ice for Sedins, good for them.

  116. Munny says:

    Something else that 3d and OT in Van City.

  117. godot10 says:

    Doug McLachlan:
    godot10,

    In hindsight I don’t think anyone makes the Reinhart trade.

    Follow up question.

    If we don’t win the lottery and say have pick 8, would you package it with Russell (who presumably would agree to waive to return to Calgary) for Hamilton?

    Yes. Calgary would never do it though.

  118. Munny says:

    I’m gonna guess we get Hughson and Simpson Saturday night.

  119. godot10 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Wow.

    I heard he did *exactly* that from someone connected to the team.

    Did you hear that or just surmise it?

    Just speculation on my part, partly based on Chiarelli getting everyone in that Boston clip saying that they should trade Seguin. Plus, simple logic says that trading Hall has to be an organizational decision. It pretty much has to be “a blood pact”.

    Hall doesn’t get traded if the coach isn’t fully on board with the move. That just would never happen. And well, we pretty much know that the OBC had it in for Hall and blamed him for everything, but they had no means of getting rid of him until McDavid arrived.

  120. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar: The coach expressly talked about the first person that needs to be evaluated is himself – he absolutely implied he has culpability in how the season has gone.

    Amazing the spin some can and will put on things in the name of meeting an internal preferred narrative.

    Today’s pre-game press conference was just boilerplate narrative about accountability. It was meaningless babel.

    He expressed what he really thinks about his accountability when he said “the team wearing orange”.

    It is important to recognise the difference between “fake” statements and “real” ones.

  121. Wilde says:

    godot10,

    Just ignore pre-gamers in general. Almost every coach games them well. Too easy.

  122. JimmyV1965 says:

    godot10: Today’s pre-game press conference was just boilerplate narrative about accountability.It was meaningless babel.

    He expressed what he really thinks about his accountability when he said “the team wearing orange”.

    It is important to recognise the difference between “fake” statements and “real” ones.

    No offence, but this logic is baffling. There is literally nothing the coach could do that would meet with your approval.

  123. Wilde says:

    I’m trying so hard to make sense of the DZL systems play on the 1-1 goal.

    It’s like the billionth time an opposing defenseman just strolls into a dangerous area with the puck for a free chance or goal. Either through the middle, or through the outside, doesn’t matter. Remember Derrick Pouliot’s goal?

    This link will send you to 1:20 of the highlight package, from there go to the settings in the bottom right and set it at 0.25x time and watch the play:

    https://youtu.be/Nrc4a9VkQKg?t=1m20s

    …What on earth is that?

    Lucic’s assignment, on win or loss, is to defend the RD, McNabb in a loss, or facilitate by being a bouncing board for a breakout in a win. We know this both because that’s the traditional setup(same side W on opposing point) and because 27 immediately skates off the draw towards him, before a winner or loser is determined.

    Lowe is to wait, because he’s supposed to do different things based on if the faceoff is won or lost. In a win it’s supposed to be kicked back to him, but they lost it, so what does he do?

    He skates all the way out at the forward that’s taken the place of McNabb.

    This is because it’s ‘his man’.

    Todd’s defensive structure is being executed so poorly that the most simple positional swap in the game(covering the point for a defenseman to jump in) results in a free lane to the net. In game what, 80 of 82?

    You can blame the rookie defenseman if you want. You can blame Lucic for giving up too easily on the check if you want.

    Or you can ask why they haven’t switched to zone yet. What’s being asked of 27 there is for him to turn on a dime and push the pinching D to the outside(where he could easily be picked by the VGK forward battling Benning).

    You have slow and/or inexperienced wingers and you’re asking them to be agile of both body and mind.

    Hasn’t worked for the whole season.

  124. JimmyV1965 says:

    Wilde:
    I’m trying so hard to make sense of the DZL systems play on the 1-1 goal.

    It’s like the billionth time an opposing defenseman just strolls into a dangerous area with the puck for a free chance or goal. Either through the middle, or through the outside, doesn’t matter. Remember Derrick Pouliot’s goal?

    This link will send you to 1:20 of the highlight package, from there go to the settings in the bottom right and set it at 0.25x time and watch the play:

    https://youtu.be/Nrc4a9VkQKg?t=1m20s

    …What on earth is that?

    Lucic’s assignment, on win or loss, is to defend the RD, McNabb in a loss, or facilitate by being a bouncing board for a breakout in a win. We know this both because that’s the traditional setup(same side W on opposing point) and because 27 immediately skates off the draw towards him, before a winner or loser is determined.

    Lowe is to wait, because he’s supposed to do different things based on if the faceoff is won or lost. In a win it’s supposed to be kicked back to him, but they lost it, so what does he do?

    He skates all the way out at the forward that’s taken the place of McNabb.

    This is because it’s ‘his man’.

    Todd’s defensive structure is being executed so poorly that the most simple positional swap in the game(covering the point for a defenseman to jump in) results in a free lane to the net. In game what, 80 of 82?

    You can blame the rookie defenseman if you want. You can blame Lucic for giving up too easily on the check if you want.

    Or you can ask why they haven’t switched to zone yet. What’s being asked of 27 there is for him to turn on a dime and push the pinching D to the outside(where he could easily be picked by the VGK forward battling Benning).

    You have slow and/or inexperienced wingers and you’re asking them to be agile of both body and mind.

    Hasn’t worked for the whole season.

    Now this is a logical reason to get rid of the coach.

  125. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10: Today’s pre-game press conference was just boilerplate narrative about accountability.It was meaningless babel.

    He expressed what he really thinks about his accountability when he said “the team wearing orange”.

    It is important to recognise the difference between “fake” statements and “real” ones.

    Its important to recognize baseless speculation and spinning to fit a preferred narrative.

  126. Wilde says:

    Keith Gretzky’s first Boston draft was probably 2014 and he pulled what looks like 4 NHLers.

    Keith Gretzky’s first Edmonton draft has had 4 skaters take the mandatory +1 step forward.

    Coincidence?!?!?!?!!

  127. GMB3 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:

    – For sure Chia has made mistakes.Look who has to rely on…He’s clearly not part of the group that has any say in management personel, nor does he have a role in bringing in talent from outside the organization.

    This could be partially true, but he’s making the same mistakes he made in Boston. Mass exodus of skill and spending like a drunken sailor on veteran players.

    Lowe and MacT almost won a cup too, but their starting goalie got injured. Then their best player demanded a trade in the off season.

    The decisions that were the demise of Chiarelli in Boston have something in common with his decisions here, that IMHO have really hurt this team.

    If JP was showing the potential to be the elite player he was predicted to be prior to his draft, The loss of the #15th pick, Hall, Eberle, would be mitigated to some extent. Unfortunately at this time it looks like JP is spinning his wheels a bit in Edmonton. LT writes a lot about how looking at a young pro players splits over the course of a season can provide insight on his adjustment at the level of play.

    To my eye, I’m not sure JP looks like he has improved as much as you would hope since his recall to Edmonton. I know it’s early days and there could be external factors like not being physically ready for the grind of a long season.

    I sometimes wish the Oilers had let him stay in Finland for a year or pulled some strings to get him on a CHL team (not sure how that works with their import draft). Spending some more time at a level where he would have the puck on his stick more would have improved his confidence I think.

  128. Professor Q says:

    Munny:
    Draisaitl uses his butt like Gordie Howe at times

    I always say that he’s similar to a German LH Sundin. Though his backhand has tapered off this year from last year (hopefully it picks up again).

  129. godot10 says:

    Wilde:
    Keith Gretzky’s first Boston draft was probably 2014 and he pulled what looks like 4 NHLers.

    Keith Gretzky’s first Edmonton draft has had 4 skaters take the mandatory +1 step forward.

    Coincidence?!?!?!?!!

    But then there is his 2015 draft where he went one for three with those 3 in a row first rounders and left Barzal and Connor. True, Zboril and Senyshyn might come around yet….but they were certainly not the best picks.

  130. Ribs says:

    Professor Q: I always say that he’s similar to a German LH Sundin. Though his backhand has tapered off this year from last year (hopefully it picks up again).

    I had forgot about Sundin. That’s a good comparison. It’s too bad Jagr signed with the wrong Alberta team this year. He could have showed Drai how to really use what his mama gave him, lol.

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