Bruised Orange

This is important stuff. The 50-man list is like a photograph, it’s a moment frozen in time. We all have our opinions and biases and lord knows framing issues should be an Olympic sport by now if you bunch reflect society as a whole. The 50-man list from a specific time and place never changes, it looks back at you from the distance of time and re-tells its own story. Photographs and memories. (Photo by Rob Ferguson).

THE ATHLETIC!

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50-MAN THE DAY CHIARELLI TOOK OVER

  • Chiarelli knew he’d be getting Connor McDavid on draft day, so the center position was going to be a monster.
  • Defense was a major issue, with the veterans unable to play the difficult minutes. That forced youngsters like Justin Schultz into prominent roles and those young players lost confidence and performed poorly after a time. The general manager needed to address those problems, or the Justin Schultz issue would become an issue for all the other young blue coming down the pipe. Nikitin, Ference and Fayne had been productive NHL players but could not neutralize the NHL’s top forwards.
  • The wingers look good but there isn’t a lot of depth past Hall, Pouliot, Eberle and Purcell.
  • Foot speed was an issue.
  • Ben Scrivens didn’t work out, but even if he had, the team badly needed to improve the goalie depth chart.
  • Balance was nowhere to be found.

CURRENT 50-MAN LIST

  • We don’t have the RFA and UFA so it’s difficult to project the roster quality. I’ll add them in our next slide.

PROJECTED 50-MAN FOR THE FALL 

  • My list of needs is (in order) scoring right-wing, backup goalie (substantial) and if there’s room a two-way forward who can help out on special teams. In  a perfect world, Mike Hoffman would come over, play with 97, and Nuge-Draisaitl would form the second line.
  • The Oilers list of needs (in order, via Bob Stauffer) are right-defense, scoring winger, depth forward who can help on special teams, backup goalie. They are going to overpay for the defenseman, create a big hole elsewhere, and get less than 100 cents on the dollar.
  • The Oilers need money. Andrej Sekera buyout information is here. I think it’s an option.
  • I don’t think the Oilers need to bring in a RHD but if they do, hope for a young player with years under control.
  • Jesse Puljujarvi is vulnerable here. Pretty sure.

PUFF OF SMOKE

I understand the idea of parsing words, in fact that’s a big part of what we all do as fans and observers of any sports team. I will tell you, in my 38 years of broadcast experience, the idea that the rights holder’s ‘insider’ tips off the fans of an impending release of the general manager is unlikely. Bob is a pro, he isn’t going to get ahead of a massive change in management even if he has knowledge. I’m not trying to protect Bob here (he doesn’t need my help), but if you think about it, whatever well he goes to would dry up in a quick damned hurry if he conducted business this way. On the other hand, if the general manager is staying put, then dropping that as a hint would be very dangerous for the insider. Bob isn’t a fool. For me, the ‘puff of smoke’ comment was at the end of the show and was probably meant as “we’ll see what tomorrow brings”.

WHAT IS GOING ON?

As of this writing, we haven’t received a head’s up for a media avail. That means the Oilers are flying through the 10am opening. Could be noon, 1, 2, 3pm today, or it could be tomorrow. Until this morning, I think a normal human could cobble together a reasonable explanation. Season ends Saturday, McLellan off to Saskatchewan on Sunday and holds his media avail on Monday. The delay (no Sunday window) in discussions means that yesterday (and possibly today) are spent making decisions on assistant coaches, et cetera.

To my mind, if Peter Chiarelli was going to be fired it would have happened by now. Reasons for the delay include the sublime to the ridiculous:

  • Exit interviews and assessment are taking longer this year.
  • Bob Nicholson is leaving and the organization wants to have their ducks in a row before the avail.
  • There has been a coup d’etat involving the Boys on the Bus and we’re going to see more prominent Gretzky’s.
  • Todd McLellan balked at the coaching cuts imposed on him and spent the night contemplating his future.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A fluid schedule, as we’re uncertain of that media avail. Scheduled to appear:

  • 10:20 Bruce McCurdy, Cult of Hockey at the Edmonton Journal. We’ll chat about the Oilers situation and what may come.
  • 10:40 Sam Werner, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. The Penguins could become a modern dynasty with a third Stanley Cup in a row.
  • 11:05 James Mirtle, The Athletic. The Toronto-Boston series is about to send a thunderclap across this nation. Love or hate watch, this is damned compelling.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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  1. Confused says:

    Nice article on our Swedidh D

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  2. Jethro Tull says:

    What “Puff of Smoke” comment?

  3. Jethro Tull says:

    Never mind, found it. My favourite tweet/comment:

    “Bob Stauffer said today on his show to watch out for a “puff of smoke” from Rogers, with a Chiarelli press conference pushed off to later this week. Speculation is that he is about to be fired/kicked upstairs.

    If so, a sad day for the Isles and Devils, who Chiarelli did a wonderful job for. His ability to rebuild both franchises at once is impressive.”

    See. All Chia haters can go pound sand! Chia can rebuild any Eastern Conference team any time he feels like it! GM of the year times two.

  4. Wilde says:

    Great post, I like option A.

  5. OilClog says:

    Any talk of taking Nuge off of Mcdavids wing is imo Trump level of madness. Witch hunt!

  6. mr sakich says:

    given the success Nuge/McD had with career AHL player Rattie, I think your promotion of Kailer to first line RW is reasonable.

    Kailer does not have to carry the line, just find a supporting role. He is a very smart player, has foot speed, and is willing to play a 200 foot game. IMO, he can find a way to be at least as effective as Rattie

    That saves cap space + assets to address other team needs.

  7. danny says:

    Just throwing another option out there, they may be withholding any major announcements as a moment of silence and respect for the Humboldt tragedy. Also possible that impending announcements affect people with ties to Humboldt’s victims and there’s no reason to compound their misery.

  8. Louis Levasseur says:

    I’m still confused why we think a backup goalie is a priority. We just burned a draft pick to get Montoya, who is signed for next season. I thought he was ok as a backup. Mind you, I’m not exactly the goalie whisperer. So if he’s not up to the task, was it just pure incompetence that led to the trade for Montoya? Even the timing was dumb then. Our season was lost at the time they made the trade.

  9. Bling says:

    I don’t understand how the “puff of smoke” can be interpreted as anything other than a regime change, or a significant coaching change at the very least.

    We’re getting a new pope!

  10. Bling says:

    danny:
    Just throwing another option out there, they may be withholding any major announcements as a moment of silence and respect for the Humboldt tragedy. Also possible that impending announcements affect people with ties to Humboldt’s victims and there’s no reason to compound their misery.

    Good point.

  11. fifthcartel says:

    I agree with the Bob comment. I think he just meant we’ll see a Chiarelli presser today. I believe he’s done everything to deserve a firing but it won’t happen.

    As for the press conference timing, it’s weird.

    BUF – Botterill speaking today
    OTT – Dorion meeting with media later this week according to SensPR on Twittter
    ARZ – Chayka talked Tuesday
    MTL – Bergevin talked Monday
    DET – Holland talked Tuesday
    VAN – Benning talked Monday
    CHI – Bowman talked Monday
    NYR – Gorton talked Monday
    EDM – ??????
    NYI – Snow talked Monday
    CAR – Owner talked Monday
    CGY – Treliving talked Monday
    DAL – Nill talked Monday
    STL – Armstrong talked Tuesday
    FLA – Tallon talked Tuesday

    It’s weird. Chiarelli has barely spoken to the media this year. Last year he couldn’t wait to take any and all interviews. This year he’s ducking them and barely seen in Edmonton.

    The most likely explanation is it’s just a day or two late. Sigh.

  12. Wilde says:

    .So if he’s not up to the task, was it just pure incompetence that led to the trade for Montoya?

    That or another casualty of the cold war between our GM&HC

    mr sakich:
    given the success Nuge/McD had with career AHL player Rattie, I think your promotion of Kailer to first line RW is reasonable.

    Kailer does not have to carry the line, just find a supporting role. He is a very smart player, has foot speed, and is willing to play a 200 foot game. IMO, he can find a way to be at least as effective as Rattie

    That saves cap space + assets to address other team needs.

    I also like that line stylistically because Yammer seemed to be good at braking up low-high plays and D rotations and that’s really what’s missing on that line and causes them to get caught in their own end.

    I still think you need a Stempniak or someone to be the de-facto guy so Yamamoto has to outplay someone.

    Plus if you cover your ass with veteran FA’s, when we miss the playoffs again we’ll have more to sell at the deadline!! Hooray!!

  13. bendelson says:

    I’m leaning towards the coup d’état angle.
    The OBC wanted changes and were ‘convinced’ back in Feb. to wait until season’s end.
    And here we are, in limbo, until said battle is resolved, one way or another…

  14. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Small error in your depth chart, LT. i have Caggiula as RFA not UFA. More to the point, so does CapFriendly. Pretty cut & dried case, so am assuming a simple typo on your part.

  15. Wilde says:

    fifthcartel,

    Chiarelli hiding from the media was almost as cowardly as when he blamed Talbot 4 times in one of the pressers he managed muster up the courage for.

  16. fifthcartel says:

    Wilde,

    I don’t know how a general manager appears to the media/fans as little as Chiarelli did this season in a Canadian city.

  17. Wilde says:

    Todays’ issue of Blame Your Best Players comes from 31 Thoughts:

    “2018-19 is going to be a very big season for Jamie Benn. He finished with eight goals and 10 points in the last five games, but Dallas was pretty much done by that point. Benn hasn’t been the same since an outstanding 2015-16 that made him a Hart finalist. They need him to get back to that level. How to get him back there will be an important internal conversation.”

  18. who says:

    mr sakich:
    given the success Nuge/McD had with career AHL player Rattie, I think your promotion of Kailer to first line RW is reasonable.

    Kailer does not have to carry the line, just find a supporting role. He is a very smart player, has foot speed, and is willing to play a 200 foot game. IMO, he can find a way to be at least as effective as Rattie

    That saves cap space + assets to address other team needs.

    I find it surprising that just about every Oiler fan is just dismissing Rattie as a potential right winger for Mcdavid on opening night.
    I understand that he is a 25 year old minor leaguer but he looked as good there as any other Oiler not named Draisatll.
    I don’t know if he can sustain it but in my viewings he looked confident and capable in that position. I also thought his foot speed was better than advertised.
    He may not hold the position but it should be his job to lose next fall.

  19. frjohnk says:

    Gotta say that the Athletic sure is adding fantastic talent to an already phenomenal group.
    Great writers and I usually learn something new about other teams almost daily.
    The best sports read anywhere.

  20. texmex says:

    Brenden Ullrich

    Verified account

    @BrendenUllrich
    3m3 minutes ago
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    .@EdmontonOilers GM Peter Chiarelli will hold his season ending media availability today at 12:00pm. @OilersNow will carry it live starting at Noon. #Oilers

  21. Woogie63 says:

    We NEED a Kid Line for any chance of success next year.

  22. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Louis Levasseur:
    I’m still confused why we think a backup goalie is a priority.We just burned a draft pick to get Montoya, who is signed for next season.I thought he was ok as a backup.Mind you, I’m not exactly the goalie whisperer.So if he’s not up to the task, was it just pure incompetence that led to the trade for Montoya?Even the timing was dumb then.Our season was lost at the time they made the trade.

    The answer you seek is somewhere within your own post.

  23. Wilde says:

    frjohnk,

    I’m extremely happy with the model’s success.

    Shows how strong the market is for ad-free quality.

    Answers a lot of difficult questions about journalism in the internet age with just about the best answers you could hope for

  24. Wilde says:

    texmex:
    Brenden Ullrich

    Verified account

    @BrendenUllrich3m3 minutes ago
    More
    .@EdmontonOilers GM Peter Chiarelli will hold his season ending media availability today at 12:00pm. @OilersNow will carry it live starting at Noon. #Oilers

    Bruce McCurdy:
    Small error in your depth chart, LT. i have Caggiula as RFA not UFA. More to the point, so does CapFriendly. Pretty cut & dried case, so am assuming a simple typo on your part.

    You get to talk about something today Bruce!!

  25. Woogie63 says:

    Wilde:
    frjohnk,

    I’m extremely happy with the model’s success.

    Shows how strong the market is for ad-free quality.

    Answers a lot of difficult questions about journalism in the internet age with just about the best answers you could hope for

    I subscribed for a bit, I had a hard time seeing the value.

    If you use Twitter the way the designers intended, the need for paid reporters seems “old school” and too slow.

  26. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – Ideal news: Bob/Chia brings in a big hockey brain or 2 as AGM’s

    – Some all of MacT/Howson/Lowe persue other opportunites

    – Coach gets new assistants (or he is gone, and the new management spend summer interviewing)

    – New coach for AHL that is “NHL ready”

    – Smart fancy-stat quant guy with hockey chops

    – Organization equipped with GM in waiting (I suppose Keith Gretzky is a candidate), and coach in waiting (non-OBC division)

    – Doing most of this shows they are serious. They don’t have the right mix in Management IMO

  27. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    who: I find it surprising that just about every Oiler fan isjust dismissing Rattie as a potentialright winger for Mcdavid on opening night.
    I understand that he is a 25 year old minor leaguer but he looked as good there as any other Oiler not named Draisatll.I don’t know if he can sustain it but in my viewings he looked confident and capable in that position. I also thought his foot speed was better than advertised.
    He may not hold the position but it should be his job to lose next fall.

    – Pat Maroon took a long time to get into the NHL. It could happen.

    – I’d rather Rattie next year @ $1MM than Maroon at 4×3 playing with Conner (and other wingers competing to get top-line minutes)

  28. StixMalone says:

    who: I find it surprising that just about every Oiler fan isjust dismissing Rattie as a potentialright winger for Mcdavid on opening night.
    I understand that he is a 25 year old minor leaguer but he looked as good there as any other Oiler not named Draisatll.I don’t know if he can sustain it but in my viewings he looked confident and capable in that position. I also thought his foot speed was better than advertised.
    He may not hold the position but it should be his job to lose next fall.

    McDavid had how many winger auditions this season? How many of those worked out as good as Rattie? To dismiss him for next season is not smart. Going out and finding another “veteran” winger is going to cost $$$. Sign Rattie to a friendly deal and worry about the most pressing needs for next year ie RHD who can transition fast . Maybe another goalie? Connors wings are fine as they stand imho….

  29. McSorley33 says:

    The Oilers list of needs (in order, via Bob Stauffer) are right-defense, scoring winger, depth forward who can help on special teams, backup goalie. They are going to overpay for the defenseman, create a big hole elsewhere, and get less than 100 cents on the dollar.
    ******************************************************************************************************
    I am not sure how anyone can argue with Bob over the needs.

    I like Benning more than most but 2RHD he is not .

    One *legitimate* RHD really solidifies a top 4 of Nurse, Larsson and Klefbom.

    Is it perfect, no. But you can roll with it.

  30. stephen sheps says:

    Woogie63: I subscribed for a bit, I had a hard time seeing the value.

    Totally get where you’re coming from and I think it also depends on whether or not you’re using it just for Oilers content (which is excellent) or for multiple sports.

    I initially signed up just to support LT and Blackdog Pat, two people I consider friends in real life (though I haven’t had the pleasure of going for beers with LT due to living in Toronto, not Edmonton), but the thing about it that impresses the hell out of me beyond the lack of adverts is the baseball coverage. I’m a long-time Houston Astros fan and finding out much about the team beyond the occasional article on SI, ESPN or Yahoo Sports was like pulling teeth until last year (amazing what happens when you’re a contender – totally changes the type and amount of coverage). But the coverage of the MLB in general and the Astros in particular is phenomenal. I feel like a shill right now just typing this, but the value is there if you look for it; I think it depends on the sports (or teams) you’re into and what kind of coverage you want.

    One of the other elements for me is being able to speak about models like both twitter (for analytics) and the athletic (for web-based content) to my sociology of sport students, to show them that there are ways of covering sport that go beyond the traditional media style both in terms of content and aesthetic. I had an entire module for sport media and ideology in the course, and spent some time looking at alternative media models. It ended up being a very good discussion.

  31. CaptainObvious says:

    “This is important stuff. The 50-man list is like a photograph, it’s a moment frozen in time. We all have our opinions and biases and lord knows framing issues should be an Olympic sport by now if you bunch reflect society as a whole. The 50-man list from a specific time and place never changes, it looks back at you from the distance of time and re-tells its own story.”

    Completely agree with this statement.

    I will predict two things.

    1) The 2018-19 Oilers 50 man list will be the strongest in recent history (past 10 years) and will come close to the balance photo. Actual balance photo will arrive in 2019-20 just in time for a cup run.

    2) The 2018-19 Season will be THE most enjoyable Oilers season in the past 10 years by any objective measure. BECAUSE by the start of the season POT/WEED will be legalized!!!!

    PUFF OF SMOKE INDEED!!!

  32. McSorley33 says:

    I definitely don’t think Rattie is a long term solution…but for 1 million dollars he could be a stop
    gap on McDavid’s wing. I think Yamamoto is going to take that spot very quickly.

  33. Woogie63 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – Ideal news: Bob/Chia brings in a big hockey brain or 2 as AGM’s

    – Some all of MacT/Howson/Lowe persue other opportunites

    – Coach gets new assistants (or he is gone, and the new management spend summer interviewing)

    – New coach for AHL that is “NHL ready”

    – Smart fancy-stat quant guy with hockey chops

    –Organization equipped with GM in waiting (I suppose Keith Gretzky is a candidate), and coach in waiting (non-OBC division)

    – Doing most of this shows they are serious.They don’t have the right mix in Management IMO

    Need to clean house in their Player Development and Player Personal departments

    V.P. Player Development – Scott Howson
    Senior Director of Player Development – Rick Carriere

    VP of Player Personal – Duane Sutter

    Watch for Jim Johnson to move into one of these roles and Herber to move to the bench, but not replace his current role.

  34. russ99 says:

    LT:

    Gonna save that 50 man list when Chia took over and post it when people complain about the job he’s done. What a mass of dreck.

    You may not like certain moves, but he had to do heavy, heavy lifting.

  35. N64 says:

    Chia defender: Ya know it’s easy to say the GM is doing a bad job…

    Chia basher: yep

  36. N64 says:

    russ99: he had to do heavy, heavy lifting.

    ~ wish he had not lifted so many heavies from other teams. ~

  37. leadfarmer says:

    Wilde,

    Its your fault that we’re paying Spezza 7.5 mil a year and its your fault we’re paying Hanzal 4.75 mil a year. Now if you could just put the puck in the net for those guys that would be great.

  38. Jethro Tull says:

    Wilde:
    fifthcartel,

    Chiarelli hiding from the media was almost as cowardly as when he blamed Talbot 4 times in one of the pressers he managed muster up the courage for.

    You mean where it WAS Talbot’s fault? Accountability was called for. One of the only means the GM has is media exposure.

    Talbot couldn’t stop a peewee slapper with 3 months warning and was continually being surprised and beaten on the first dump-in/shot of the game. The blame was warranted.

    Lot’s to hang Chia with, rather than shaky narratives.

  39. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Woogie63: Need to clean house in their Player Development and Player Personal departments

    V.P. Player Development – Scott Howson
    Senior Director of Player Development – Rick Carriere

    VP of Player Personal – Duane Sutter

    Watch for Jim Johnson to move into one of these roles and Herber to move to the bench, but not replace his current role.

    – Yeah, your stealing thunder from what I’ve been crafting. That Chia hasn’t replaced all these guys can only mean one of two things:

    1) Chia thinks they are good, and has kept them, despite years of inept (I choose not to believe)
    2) Chia does not have the authority to bring in his own guys, as he’s blocked by other factions

    – But that kind of house cleaning would be good: the problem with it in isolation is the existing people in place have been there for a long time would be making those calls.

    – I don’t believe they have the track-record to identify or hire good people. I also think if you are good and have options, the Oil management regime would not be ideal for aspiring execs in waiting: slotting in behind the OBC is not going to attract the best I don’t believe.

  40. CaptainObvious says:

    Bling:
    I don’t understand how the “puff of smoke” can be interpreted as anything other than a regime change, or a significant coaching change at the very least.

    We’re getting a new pope!

    Agreed it is a reference to a “Papal Conclave”

    For reasons LT has pointed out…In terms of a “Stauffer reference”…It makes the most sense when interpreted as a gathering of “The College of Cardinals” Katz, Nicholoson, Lowe, etc

    And that the potential outcome is either a puff of white smoke or a puff of black smoke.

    White meaning new GM black meaning Status Quo

  41. CaptainObvious says:

    stephen sheps: Totally get where you’re coming from and I think it also depends on whether or not you’re using it just for Oilers content (which is excellent) or for multiple sports.

    I initially signed up just to support LT and Blackdog Pat, two people I consider friends in real life (though I haven’t had the pleasure of going for beers with LT due to living in Toronto, not Edmonton), but the thing about it that impresses the hell out of me beyond the lack of adverts is the baseball coverage. I’m a long-time Houston Astros fan and finding out much about the team beyond the occasional article on SI, ESPN or Yahoo Sports was like pulling teeth until last year (amazing what happens when you’re a contender – totally changes the type and amount of coverage). But the coverage of the MLB in general and the Astros in particular is phenomenal. I feel like a shill right now just typing this, but the value is there if you look for it; I think it depends on the sports (or teams) you’re into and what kind of coverage you want.

    One of the other elements for me is being able to speak about models like both twitter (for analytics) and the athletic (for web-based content) to my sociology of sport students, to show them that there are ways of covering sport that go beyond the traditional media style both in terms of content and aesthetic. I had an entire module for sport media and ideology in the course, and spent some time looking at alternative media models. It ended up being a very good discussion.

    Interesting.

    Do you have a definition of Sports Journalism that you like to use?

    Does it include “opinion pieces”?

    The internet really seems to blur that line for me.

  42. Confused says:

    According to Eliiotte, Hudson Elyuik will not sign in Carolina. Instead looking at redraft.

    Good Alberta boy, playing with Yamo in Spokane.

    Would he sign here? Any interest in him for say R5 or 6 pick?

  43. CaptainObvious says:

    StixMalone: McDavid had how many winger auditions this season? How many of those worked out as good as Rattie? To dismiss him for next season is not smart. Going out and finding another “veteran” winger is going to cost $$$. Sign Rattie to a friendly deal and worry about the most pressing needs for next year ie RHD who can transition fast . Maybe another goalie? Connors wings are fine as they stand imho….

    Agreed.

    Conner is the shooter on the McDavid line.

    If we bring in another winger it would be for the Draisaitl line.

    But as OP has stated repeatedly we only need placeholders (Rattie etc) for one more year until JP, Yamamotto, Benson, and Svechnikov are ready to step up.

  44. russ99 says:

    MacTavish got “reassigned” from his GM duties on a Wednesday, so we may hear something today.

  45. Confused says:

    Team Coaches quote on Berglund “…..right now he is a f***** rock star”

  46. russ99 says:

    CaptainObvious: Agreed.

    Conner is the shooter on the McDavid line.

    If we bring in another winger it would be for the Draisaitl line.

    But as OP has stated repeatedly we only need placeholders (Rattie etc)for one more year until JP, Yamamotto, Benson, and Svechnikov are ready to step up.

    Disagree, Connor and Nuge are passers, and lots of quality passes ended up not getting good quality shots when they played together, and lots of Connor’s feeds would be in the net with a quality shooter. Connor shoots best when he carries it in, is a worse shooter on the cycle. Also, a weakness of Nuge is puck retrieval on the wall, so we’re going to have less sorties with multiple shots.

    Plus if we had Connor and a shooter occupying the defense, that could give a huge opportunity for Puljujarvi or Yamamoto to trail on the play and get good open looks.

  47. CaptainObvious says:

    N64:
    Chia defender: Ya know it’s easy to say the GM is doing a bad job…

    Chia basher:yep

    LOL

    Chia basher: Either Im a blind idiot or Chia has got to go.

    Chia supporter: Well at least we agree on one thing.

  48. Confused says:

    Berglund +12 in the playoffs! I now +/-

    But seriously, get this guy under contract!!!!!!!

    Get him over here!

  49. russ99 says:

    CaptainObvious: LOL

    Chia basher:Either Im a blind idiot or Chia has got to go.

    Chia supporter:Well at least we agree on one thing.

    Nobody is happy with the job he did last summer, but he was an executive of the year nominee last year so he had to do something right.

    So yeah, there is a middle ground. Not happy with some trades, not happy with last summer but has a good track record and needs more help.

    I’d prefer to give him a summer without the old boys fouling the dataset with all their “inside information” before dumping him.

  50. stephen sheps says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: I don’t believe they have the track-record to identify or hire good people. I also think if you are good and have options, the Oil management regime would not be ideal for aspiring execs in waiting: slotting in behind the OBC is not going to attract the best I don’t believe.

    This is something I’ve been wondering about, too. I tend to favour a scorched earth approach in the front office – something along the lines of what ralph wiggum’s shoulder leprechaun whispers in his ear (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLnecKDUweA) and bring in a Kyle Dubas type as GM to report directly to Nicholson and someone like Tippett as HC/AGM given his previous desire for personnel input.

    But the question is, can the franchise attract that sort of external talent with the perception of lingering OBC involvement, even as powerless figureheads? Even with the potential to build a juggernaut around McDavid, knowing the way the franchise has been run for the last, well, 2 decades really, I wouldn’t be so sure. That’s why it feels like a scorched earth plan makes the most sense. However that sort of plan involves its own set of major risks, too. It appears to have worked for the Leafs in bringing in their current management Troika, but who knows what may happen here.

  51. JimmyV1965 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – Pat Maroon took a long time to get into the NHL.It could happen.

    – I’d rather Rattie next year @ $1MM than Maroon at 4×3 playing with Conner (and other wingers competing to get top-line minutes)

    Agreed. I’d much rather have Rattie at a cap hit that can be buried in the minors, than Maroon at $4 x 3. And I’d rather have Maroon than Grabner.

  52. frjohnk says:

    russ99:
    LT:

    Gonna save that 50 man list when Chia took over and post it when people complain about the job he’s done. What a mass of dreck.

    You may not like certain moves, but he had to do heavy, heavy lifting.

    The NHL team player list was not good.

    But Chia inherited quite a few nice assets.

    C
    Number 1 pick who all knew would be McDavid
    Draisaitl
    RNH

    LW
    Hall

    RW
    Eberle

    D
    Klefbom
    Nurse

    Top 6 forwards/top 4 Dmen at the moment or had that type of value/ceiling

    He inherited cap space

    And loads of draft picks in the deepest draft in years. He basically had 3 first round picks because of the deep draft. 1, 16 and 33.

    Other players of note, Pitlick, Khaira, Pak, Davidson, Osterle, Yakupov, Schultz, Purcell, Pouliot, Fayne.

    Thats a decent foundation to build on.

  53. CaptainObvious says:

    Confused:
    Team Coaches quote on Berglund “…..right now he is a f***** rock star”

    Which team coaches?

    Is there an article?

  54. Confused says:

    Patrick C tweeting that slepy has gone to CSKA

  55. Confused says:

    CaptainObvious,

    Team coach post game comments.

  56. JimmyV1965 says:

    McSorley33:
    The Oilers list of needs (in order, via Bob Stauffer) are right-defense, scoring winger, depth forward who can help on special teams, backup goalie. They are going to overpay for the defenseman, create a big hole elsewhere, and get less than 100 cents on the dollar.
    ******************************************************************************************************
    I am not sure how anyone can argue with Bob over the needs.

    I like Benning more than most but 2RHD he is not .

    One *legitimate* RHD really solidifies a top 4 of Nurse, Larsson and Klefbom.

    Is it perfect,no. But you can roll with it.

    I think when people say RHD they automatically think of an expensive PP guy. WG had an extensive list on the weekend of viable options that won’t break the bank. The PP will work itself out. We need a RHD that can play defence and move the puck.

  57. CaptainObvious says:

    russ99: Disagree, Connor and Nuge are passers, and lots of qualitypasses ended up not getting good quality shots when they played together, and lots of Connor’s feeds would be in the net with a quality shooter.Connor shoots best when he carries it in, is a worse shooter on the cycle. Also, a weakness of Nuge is puck retrieval on the wall, so we’re going to have less sorties with multiple shots.

    Plus if we had Connor and a shooter occupying the defense, that could give a huge opportunity for Puljujarvi or Yamamoto to trail on the play and get good open looks.

    Maybe.

    But I would bet a large amount of dollars that no matter what “shooter” we bring in, McDavid will be the teams leading goal scorer. That by definition makes him a shooter (and a play maker). I predict next year is his first 50 goal season.

    Also predict that if they bring in a shooter he will end up playing with Draisaitl to help create the balance photo.

  58. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    nothing i can do to stream tsn1260. tried 3 different browsers, turned off ad block. nothing.

    the stream either never starts or it gives me “unknown error”.

    anyone else having this problem?

    630 ched it is i guess.

  59. CaptainObvious says:

    Réal Goudenyéu,

    They said on LTs show…..technical problems on the stream…..they are working on it.

  60. Wilde says:

    Jethro Tull: You mean where it WAS Talbot’s fault?Accountability was called for.One of the only means the GM has is media exposure.

    Talbot couldn’t stop a peewee slapper with 3 months warning and was continually being surprised and beaten on the first dump-in/shot of the game.The blame was warranted.

    Lot’s to hang Chia with, rather than shaky narratives.

    You know what’s a shaky narrative?

    Saying Talbot got beat by dump ins. Half of those first shot goals were straight up tap-ins and odd man rushes.

    The looseness of the team defense that was being played was absolutely astounding.

    Talbot was probably 5th on the list of problems the team had, and he brought it up unprompted.

    This is after he paraded around in 2016-17 like he was a genius because guess what? Talbot and McDavid were saving his ass.

    Talbot’s poor play would have pulled a team from ‘elite’ down to ‘good’.

    But the team was bad, so it pulled them down to ‘awful’.

    The amount of blame he allocated on Talbot was way more than deserved, especially considering Chiarelli would have likely been fired or at least he’d have taken a LOT of heat without Talbot’s top 5 performance last year.

    Chiarelli is still employed in part because of Talbot.

    It’s extremely poor taste and indicative of a problem ego that he shanked his goalie in public, in November.

    He was ~.915 at 5v5 by November 30th. The PDO woes were largely shooting percentage based, and guess who shipped out shooting talent every summer?

  61. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    CaptainObvious:
    Réal Goudenyéu,

    They said on LTs show…..technical problems on the stream…..they are working on it.

    ah thanks!

  62. stephen sheps says:

    CaptainObvious: Do you have a definition of Sports Journalism that you like to use?

    Not really a specific definition – there’s no singular approach to journalism that is necessarily ‘correct’ per se. One of the issues is the actual history of ‘sport journalism’, which many media studies types used to view as an oxymoronic statement given that back in the day, sportswriters were mostly team shills whose roles were rooted in promoting the teams, not necessarily to have journalistic integrity, to say nothing of the essentially free publicity the teams were getting from their ‘beat writers’. We still see this from time to time in the work that Matty does, though I’ve always really appreciated his writing. So thinking about it this way, many critics of sport media suggest that the interests of the team’s owners are served by the media coverage rather than the interests of the people. As a result, there are those who question whether or not sports media is really a part of the 4th estate. One such critic, a fellow named Mark Lowes says: “that is indispensable to the franchise owners whose profits depend on filling their stands with paying customers and selling the whole spectacle to television.” You counter that with someone like Dave Zirin, a writer for The Nation whose work on the intersection of sports, politics and social movements is actually groundbreaking if you’re into that sort of thing.

    CaptainObvious: Does it include “opinion pieces”?

    Given the history of sport media, I think opinion/editorial style pieces do have value, just the same way that editorials have value in regular news coverage. One of the issues of course, especially in the case of hockey media and also in NFL coverage is that the many of the writers of opinion pieces tend to be fixated on a specific type of narrative, showing the perspective of the league and we see explicit fan-service types of pieces as a result – I see the Mark Spector types fitting into this category. He seems to speak to a specific kind of traditional hockey fan, has done so for years, and while I don’t often agree with his takes, he’s good at what he does. In other cases, like the stories we see in places like the Player’s Tribune, we get a unique insider’s lens into the players’ actual personalities and the experiences that they have. So in a word, yes. Opinion pieces are necessary, but so too are the really well crafted investigative pieces on analytics, tactics and strategy, the human interest stories about players’ pathways to being drafted, and the straight up game summaries that almost mirror the ‘current events’ style news articles we see and read all the time.

    CaptainObvious: The internet really seems to blur that line for me.

    Is it the Internet itself or the sort of culture shift towards citizen journalists and the fact that being an accredited or credentialed member of the press is far less of a thing in the age of hot takes, cameras and high-tech video making on our phones and the ability to build our own personal brands and generate content in an instant now?

    Edit to add – can y’all tell I’m procrastinating from grading? Marking season is the worst…

  63. JimmyV1965 says:

    russ99: Nobody is happy with the job he did last summer, but he was an executive of the year nominee last year so he had to do something right.

    So yeah, there is a middle ground. Not happy with some trades, not happy with last summer but has a good track record and needs more help.

    I’d prefer to give him a summer without the old boys fouling the dataset with all their “inside information” before dumping him.

    I agree. Why can’t there be a middle ground with Chia? His negotiating flaws are obvious and may eventually sewer his career. But he’s done a good job at the draft table and I think he’s done an even better job with his low-level signings. It’s not sexy, but signings like Rattie, Hebig, Benning and the Drake have added much needed depth to the org. Same with the Marody trade. He does need a trusted advisor willing to tell him WTF are you thinking making this trade or contract signing.

  64. Wilde says:

    CaptainObvious: LOL

    Chia basher:Either Im a blind idiot or Chia has got to go.

    Chia supporter:Well at least we agree on one thing.

    Andy Dusfresne: I don’t like when people use the word idiot and others on Chiarelli instead of disagreeing in a more nuanced and mature way

    Also Andy Dusfresne: Haha people who disagree with me are blind idiots

    Confused,

    Confused,

    Confused:
    According to Eliiotte, Hudson Elyuik will not sign in Carolina. Instead looking at redraft.

    Good Alberta boy, playing with Yamo in Spokane.

    Would he sign here? Any interest in him for say R5 or 6 pick?

    Good info on Berglund and rumour on Slepy, thanks.

    As for the Chief, I wasn’t too impressed with him. He didn’t dominate as hard as you would need to see from a 6’5 guy in his 5/6th(?) WHL season. Doesn’t really have anything gamebreaking in his skillset.

    That said, Bakersfield needs more bullets in the chamber. In another year when we actually had all 7 of our picks, I’d say maybe.

  65. SwedishPoster says:

    Confused:
    Nice article on our Swedidh D

    Elitesprospctsid 301

    Link ain’t working. http://www.eliteprospects.com/article.php?id=301 this should do it. The article is a translation of two articles from last week by the author himself. Some nice quotes in there. Though it says Lagesson is a smooth skater which imo isn’t entirely true, his skating looks much smoother now than it did at the start of the year and he always had pretty good straight line skating but I wouldn’t call him smooth, he’s not the most elegant skater.
    Lagesson has been ok to good most of the playoffs, he plays his usual solid, gritty, no nonsense game, moves the puck ok though he tends to revert to his D partner too much which slows down transition at times, he makes simple plays with the puck and plays hard without. He’s had some issues keeping up sometimes when the pace goes up and in this series the pace has been really high, lot of hard forechecking, not a lot of controlled play. But overall Lagesson has been playing well.

    Berglund is the real story though. He’s been very impressive throughout. Great two-way hockey. He’s +12 which leads the whole thing in +/-, only been on for 4 GA I think despite a lot of tough minutes and mainly D zone starts, advanced stats aren’t as publically available for the SHL but according to the stat guys his underlying numbers are among the best. He’s got two assists, he got a third assist last game, a primary assist that they took away for some odd reason. He’s been playing well defensively for a while and moved the puck nicely but in the playoffs his puckmoving has taken another step, last game he had some glorious passes, pin point stretch passes right on the tape, no look passes. Some reporters, mainly local guys, have started to lobby for him to get a shot with the WHC team later this spring. I doubt it but the hype is building.

    Gotta go, game five of the series is starting, have to check out our boys.

  66. JimmyV1965 says:

    Wilde: You know what’s a shaky narrative?

    Saying Talbot got beat by dump ins. Half of those first shot goals were straight up tap-ins and odd man rushes.

    The looseness of the team defense that was being played was absolutely astounding.

    Talbot was probably 5th on the list of problems the team had, and he brought it up unprompted.

    This is after he paraded around in 2016-17 like he was a genius because guess what? Talbot and McDavid were saving his ass.

    Talbot’s poor play would have pulled a team from ‘elite’ down to ‘good’.

    But the team was bad, so it pulled them down to ‘awful’.

    The amount of blame he allocated on Talbot was way more than deserved, especially consideringChiarelli would have likely been fired or at least he’d have taken a LOT of heat without Talbot’s top 5 performance last year.

    Chiarelli is still employed in part because of Talbot.

    It’s extremely poor taste and indicative of a problem ego that he shanked his goalie in public, in November.

    He was ~.915 at 5v5 by November 30th. The PDO woes were largely shooting percentage based, and guess who shipped out shooting talent every summer?

    I remember watching the Hurricanes game near the end of the season and thinking how awful Darling was. He was out of position all the time, he was slow and he wasn’t set up to make the save.

    It reminded me a lot of Talbot at the beginning of the season. Talbot was never as bad as Darling that game, but he was bad. Letting in goals from behind the goal line from the corner. Not keeping his stick on the ground. Our defence didn’t help that’s for sure. But Talbot was simply bad to start the season.

  67. stephen sheps says:

    CaptainObvious,

    Happy to provide. I don’t know much, but this is something I can actually speak to and enjoy.
    (And as I said earlier, it beats the heck out of grading…)

    At this point the Athletic is the one place I subscribe to, while I also read sports content at the Nation (mostly because I want to be Dave Zirin when I grow up) and my daily reading along with this place includes visits to Puck Daddy, mostly for Lambert’s work, occasionally ESPN but the best content they produce is behind the paywall and I like looking at the scouting services publications that LT links to from time to time.

    There’s also so many incredible conversations around hockey happening on twitter that if you don’t want to pay for things, you really don’t have to. And while the convos around analytics are where I tend to hang out on twitter when I remember to log in, it’s much more than that.

    I also have the benefit of being a university faculty member, which gives me library access to the top sport media and sport science journals (including my discipline of sociology as well as psychology and kinesiology), which means I sort through a lot of content over the course of a given week.

  68. CaptainObvious says:

    Wilde,

    If you cant differentiate between humor and attack, then too bad for you. But if it makes you feel better….I dont think youre blind.

  69. CaptainObvious says:

    stephen sheps:
    CaptainObvious,

    Happy to provide. I don’t know much, but this is something I can actually speak to and enjoy.
    (And as I said earlier, it beats the heck out of grading…)

    At this point the Athletic is the one place I subscribe to, while I also read sports content at the Nation (mostly because I want to be Dave Zirin when I grow up) and my daily reading along with this place includes visits to Puck Daddy, mostly for Lambert’s work, occasionally ESPN but the best content they produce is behind the paywall and I like looking at the scouting services publications that LT links to from time to time.

    There’s also so many incredible conversations around hockey happening on twitter that if you don’t want to pay for things, you really don’t have to. And while the convos around analytics are where I tend to hang out on twitter when I remember to log in, it’s much more than that.

    I also have the benefit of being a university faculty member, which gives me library access to the top sport media and sport science journals (including my discipline of sociology as well as psychology and kinesiology), which means I sort through a lot of content over the course of a given week.

    Thanks for taking the time. Good overview.

  70. Cassandra says:

    Wilde: You know what’s a shaky narrative?

    Saying Talbot got beat by dump ins. Half of those first shot goals were straight up tap-ins and odd man rushes.

    The looseness of the team defense that was being played was absolutely astounding.

    Talbot was probably 5th on the list of problems the team had, and he brought it up unprompted.

    This is after he paraded around in 2016-17 like he was a genius because guess what? Talbot and McDavid were saving his ass.

    Talbot’s poor play would have pulled a team from ‘elite’ down to ‘good’.

    But the team was bad, so it pulled them down to ‘awful’.

    The amount of blame he allocated on Talbot was way more than deserved, especially consideringChiarelli would have likely been fired or at least he’d have taken a LOT of heat without Talbot’s top 5 performance last year.

    Chiarelli is still employed in part because of Talbot.

    It’s extremely poor taste and indicative of a problem ego that he shanked his goalie in public, in November.

    He was ~.915 at 5v5 by November 30th. The PDO woes were largely shooting percentage based, and guess who shipped out shooting talent every summer?

    Here are the save percentages this year of some notable goalies of playoff teams.

    Brian Elliott .909
    Cory Schneider .907
    Braden Holtby .907
    Matt Murray .907

    Cam Talbot isn’t why the Oilers didn’t make the playoffs. 1/4 of playoff teams got goaltending just as mediocre and made the playoffs anyway. And those teams didn’t have Connor McDavid.

    Chiarelli was gifted one of the best starting positions in NHL history. Three stars or superstars, two more good forwards, two good young D, a full set of draft picks, plus lots of salary cap space. The only way to fail in this situation was for McDavid to disappoint.

    Today, the Oilers are out of the playoffs, have one of the worst prospect lists in the NHL, and one of the worst salary cap situations in the league.

    All in only three years. It really is incredible.

  71. Wilde says:

    CaptainObvious:
    Wilde,

    If you cant differentiate between humor and attack, then too bad for you. But if it makes you feel better….I dont think youre blind.

    Well now I’ve got you.

    How do you know a Chiarelli ‘basher’ isn’t hyperbolising for humour as well?

    (:

    Also, I’ve never thought that you were talking about me when you talked about people calling Chiarelli names, because I haven’t called him names. So no, it doesn’t make me feel better because I never felt attacked by your posts in the first place.

  72. OilClog says:

    russ99: Disagree, Connor and Nuge are passers, and lots of qualitypasses ended up not getting good quality shots when they played together, and lots of Connor’s feeds would be in the net with a quality shooter.Connor shoots best when he carries it in, is a worse shooter on the cycle. Also, a weakness of Nuge is puck retrieval on the wall, so we’re going to have less sorties with multiple shots.

    Plus if we had Connor and a shooter occupying the defense, that could give a huge opportunity for Puljujarvi or Yamamoto to trail on the play and get good open looks.

    Connor was on pace for over 50 goals with Nuge.

    Nuge was on pace for over 30 goals with Connor.

    Not sure what you were watching but Nuge provided time and space with his hockey iq that allowed Mcdavid to go supernova.

    Nuge just stated yesterday he’s going to spend the summer working in his board work, and that he enjoys wings.

    When 2 players combine to be on pace for 80goals, you’re fixing things that aren’t broken if you decide to change it up.

  73. digger50 says:

    JimmyV1965: Agreed. I’d much rather have Rattie at a cap hit that can be buried in the minors, than Maroon at $4 x 3. And I’d rather have Maroon than Grabner.

    Just to build on your and Kingers comments.

    Rattie has done a fine job. The issue I see with that line is they are too similar. Where that line can improve is by picking up the 10-15 net front rebound goals.

    With Connor and Nuge handling the puck most of the time, it left Ty as the net front presence, where he was taking a beating, and not able to capitalize.

    I don’t think Yammer will do much better overall. By that I mean he may play well and get his points, but will not add much that’s not already there.

    Best addition to that line is more of a Maroon “type” than a Rattie “type”

    I think Jessie would do better – but doubt he’s ready for that role.

  74. CaptainObvious says:

    Wilde: Well now I’ve got you.

    How do you know a Chiarelli ‘basher’isn’t hyperbolising for humour as well?

    (:

    Also, I’ve never thought that you were talking about me when you talked about people calling Chiarelli names, because I haven’t called him names. So no, it doesn’t make me feel better because I never felt attacked by your posts in the first place.

    Agreed. I was never talking about you. I have NO issues with your tone or style. In fact quite the opposite.

    How do I know. Because I have a sense of humor and allow a large degree of leeway.

  75. Dustylegnd says:

    JimmyV1965: I agree. Why can’t there be a middle ground with Chia? His negotiating flaws are obvious and may eventually sewer his career. But he’s done a good job at the draft table and I think he’s done an even better job with his low-level signings. It’s not sexy, but signings like Rattie, Hebig, Benning and the Drake have added much needed depth to the org. Same with the Marody trade. He does need a trusted advisor willing to tell him WTF are you thinking making this trade or contract signing.

    There is no way you build a best in class organization headed by a GM that needs help consummating franchise changing deals and negotiating contracts…….

    Stop and read what you wrote and then decide if you think your solution is an optimal solution to building 25 years of success moving forward

    The decisions at the draft table are driven by his amateur scouts and the Director of scouting, not Chia….and what draft success is it we are pointing to since Chia took over?…..seems we got the wrong man with Puljujarvi…..so far no real obvious draft success from the later rounds….

    Chia has repeatedly traded very highly skilled players for pennies on the dollar, from Wheeler, to Kessel, to Sequin, to Hall, it is beyond comprehension what he did not get back in those trades…he put Boston in Cap Hell and now he has Edmonton in Cap Hell……he does not learn from his past mistakes…that much is clear

  76. digger50 says:

    The guy I’d like to see on Connors right side is Virtanen. He’s 6’1 and 225lbs and has all the makings of a first class shit disturber aka Tkachuk. We spoke about him briefly yesterday, no I read the cost and doubtful he’s available.

  77. leadfarmer says:

    Cassandra,

    Well two of those guys have been and will be sitting on the bench.
    But yes the goaltending willl never be fixed until our defensive play is fixed

  78. Wilde says:

    Cassandra,

    Yeah, it’s kind of a historic situation.

    It’ll make a great story no matter what happens from here, I just wish it wasn’t the team I cheer for it had to happen to.

    leadfarmer:

    Well two of those guys have been and will be sitting on the bench.
    But yes the goaltending willl never be fixed until our defensive play is fixed

    Yeah, the reason they were able to do that though is because

    A) The HC was willing to play the backup

    B) The GM acquired a capable backup

  79. CaptainObvious says:

    Nice First presser question is about Lucic.

  80. N64 says:

    CaptainObvious: LOL

    Chia basher:Either Im a blind idiot or Chia has got to go.

    Chia supporter:Well at least we agree on one thing.

    Nice. And for anyone missing it, humor alert

  81. CaptainObvious says:

    Chiarelli responding to questions like he is 100% confident that he is keeping his job.

  82. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    He wants the D to move the puck up the ice faster? The team is not coached to do so.

  83. CaptainObvious says:

    N64: Nice. And for anyone missing it, humor alert

    you forgot to include your initial joke…..without it there is no context……i found your joke funny….I responded with a complementary joke.

  84. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    He’s literally saying nothing.

  85. Wilde says:

    Chiarelli: “Our PP was disappointing this year”

    Speak for yourself, Peter.

  86. CaptainObvious says:

    Very vanilla responses from Chia so far.

    Questions too softball?

  87. CaptainObvious says:

    Interesting answer to a matheson question about lack of scoring wingers.

  88. OmJo says:

    Chiarelli is happy with the offense of the wingers? Strike 1.

  89. russ99 says:

    OilClog: Connor was on pace for over 50 goals with Nuge.

    Nuge was on pace for over 30 goals with Connor.

    Not sure what you were watching but Nuge provided time and space with his hockey iq that allowed Mcdavid to go supernova.

    Nuge just stated yesterday he’s going to spend the summer working in his board work, and that he enjoys wings.

    When 2 players combine to be on pace for 80goals, you’re fixing things that aren’t broken if you decide to change it up.

    Connor will score with or without Nuge. He was finally healthy, and not saddled with a snakebit Lucic, that’s why he went supernova.

    Nuge can say what he wants about the boards but hasn’t taken an obvious step up physically any summer of his career. I’ll believe it when I see it.

  90. OmJo says:

    We did’t lose veteran fowards. You gave them away, Pete.

  91. Wayne Kenov says:

    Q: Peter, some say you have fuck all in terms of top 6 wingers. Thoughts?
    A: I think we had more than enough scoring this year. They just underachieved.

    That is fire worthy.

  92. Wilde says:

    Terry Jones with a great question

  93. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    god he wasn’t kidding with the 5 year plan. i guess we get one mcdavid cup, maybe.

  94. CaptainObvious says:

    Chia states goaltending at or near the top of things to look at.

    Stating Talbot playing too many games is not good utiliaztion

    and Not throwing Montya under the bus BUT…

  95. Wayne Kenov says:

    He’s taken enough shots at the coach, that I think it’s safe to say TMac is gone.

  96. Cassandra says:

    Wayne Kenov:
    Q: Peter, some say you have fuck all in terms of top 6 wingers. Thoughts?
    A: I think we had more than enough scoring this year. They just underachieved.

    That is fire worthy.

    This is the problem in a nutshell.

    The idea that you can ever have “enough” scoring, or “enough” talent, that once that box is checked you move on to other needs.

    There is no such thing as enough talent. You can never have excess talent. Last year the Oilers were 8th or something in goals for. That isn’t “enough.” The goal is to be first.

  97. CaptainObvious says:

    Who is doing the coaching evaltuaion?

    Chia: I AM. Paraphrase: Completely my job and I am doing it.

  98. CaptainObvious says:

    would we like a righty lefty paradigm yes

    its an area where we have to fill a gap

    doesnt have to be a RHD but would like it to be

  99. CaptainObvious says:

    Chia: lots of comments from player in exit meetings.

    need to improve execution of the system…. commitment and focus has to be better…..

    example home road descrepency in special teams….means the problem is in large part mental.

  100. CaptainObvious says:

    First round pick in play?

    Yes if it makes sense……..but there is a whole cluster of D in the draft that is of interest.

  101. OmJo says:

    Follow along with this: https://twitter.com/chrispagnani/status/984092966183579649

    I love Oilers twitter

  102. CaptainObvious says:

    JP showed good improvement after recall…..but tailed off a little later.

    but we wouldnt do anything differently

    Hes been advised on areas for improvement…example…Doesnt win enough battles for a man of his size

    Im satisafied that hes going to be a real good player for us……with his package and abiliyt hes going to be a real good palyer for us long term

  103. CaptainObvious says:

    Ty Rattie?

    Very cereberal player who moves puck well….fit in well…..recognizes the need to move puck quickly

    we’d like to have him back and weve had some discussions

  104. CaptainObvious says:

    Is it your defintive intention to keep NUGE as a core player

    Yes. That is accurate.

  105. OmJo says:

    That’s it?

  106. Jethro Tull says:

    Cassandra: Here are the save percentages this year of some notable goalies of playoff teams.

    Brian Elliott .909
    Cory Schneider .907
    Braden Holtby .907
    Matt Murray .907

    Macro stat. What was Talbot’s SV% in the first half of the season? Against conference teams? So he plays stella, then shitty and it evens out, except it doesn’t, because he can still play well but lose. How many times was he pulled this season?

    As Talbot goes, so do the Oilers. McDavid seems to have little effect on the overall performance of the team – but Talbot does. So, did he overachieve last year and underachieve this year? Were the HDSC up this year significantly enough to make a difference?

    I’m happy to bet on him being back to being better next season. But food for thought – before the all-star break, your buddy Milan had 9 goals and 21 assists in 49 games. pro-rate = 15G, 35A, 50pts. But he ended with 10G, 24A, 34pts.

    FYI, when the Oilers won, Talbot was an awesome .934. When they lost, a brutal .880. This is a tale of two goalies.

  107. digger50 says:

    Peter “ we seen too many line combinations”

  108. CaptainObvious says:

    Overall.

    Nuge and Ratte stay

    JP stays

    1st rounder might be in play if necessary (in the right deal)

    Would like to improve righty lefty D scenario

    Edit: Backup Goalie upgrade a priority

  109. digger50 says:

    Peter “I had issue with the defensive systems”

  110. StixMalone says:

    Well that was a whole bunch of smoke and mirrors mixed in with a whole bunch of bumbling. Who’s evaluating Chia? He said they’re all under evaluation…….

  111. digger50 says:

    CaptainObvious:
    Overall.

    Nuge and Ratte stay

    JP stays

    1st rounder might be in play if necessary (in the right deal)

    Would like to improve righty lefty D scenario

    Goalie top of the list of needs

    Winger on the “to do” list

    First “tweak the defence”
    Then “like to have lefty/righty balance”
    Then “had issue with d systems”
    Likes crop of you g d in draft

  112. russ99 says:

    digger50:
    Peter “I had issue with the defensive systems”

    He didn’t say that, he had a problem with execution in the systems, and most of that was due to play in other zones.

    And he used the term “cheating”.

  113. CaptainObvious says:

    Klefbom for Barrie
    Sign UFA Center Derek Ryan 1 yr $1.25 million
    Sign UFA Jaroslav Halak for 1yr $2.5 million

    Resign Strome 1x $3m or 2x $2.75m
    Resign Ty Rattie, Sleppy, Caggs, Auvitu, K Lowe, all at league minimum

    Bridge Benning 2x 1.5
    Sign Nurse long term 7yrsx $4.285m = $30,000,000

    If drafting in 9th spot pick Dobson or Bouchard ( or Ty Smith)

  114. Brantford Boy says:

    Chia keeps saying “94’s” (ninety fours?)… am I hearing that right, what the hell does that mean?

  115. russ99 says:

    Brantford Boy:
    Chia keeps saying “94’s” (ninety fours?)… am I hearing that right, what the hell does that mean?

    Players born in 1994, look at the roster.

  116. CaptainObvious says:

    Brantford Boy:
    Chia keeps saying “94’s” (ninety fours?)… am I hearing that right, what the hell does that mean?

    basically 24 year olds

  117. russ99 says:

    CaptainObvious,

    I like all of this but Strome and Benning. We can find two better players at $4.5M

    Like Ian Cole at $3M and Dan Winnik at $1.5M (probably less)

  118. digger50 says:

    russ99: He didn’t say that, he had a problem with execution in the systems, and most of that was due to play in other zones.

    And he used the term “cheating”.

    Nope

    He started with he had issue, then he soften that with the statements you bring forward. I took away several areas where he disagreed with the coach.

  119. digger50 says:

    CaptainObvious:
    Klefbom for Barrie
    Sign UFA Center Derek Ryan 1 yr $1.25 million
    Sign UFA Jaroslav Halak for 1yr $2.5 million

    Resign Strome 1x $3m or 2x $2.75m
    Resign Ty Rattie, Sleppy, Caggs, Auvitu, K Lowe, all at league minimum

    Bridge Benning 2x 1.5
    Sign Nurse long term 7yrsx $4.285m = $30,000,000

    If drafting in 9th spot pick Dobson or Bouchard ( or Ty Smith)

    Minor point. Heard Sleppy was signing in KHL . On radio this am

  120. russ99 says:

    digger50,

    I did as well. McLellan is on much weaker footing than before today.

  121. Brantford Boy says:

    russ99,

    WTF… so 4 players, thats it… Benning, Cags, Khaira and Slepy… wow how did I let that one slide by me… hope he has more up his sleeve than to count on those 4 driving results…

  122. dustrock says:

    Anyone mentioned he said the players told him they need to be more focused.

    It’s not the system that’s the problem, it’s the execution. He literally said “bring the lunch pail”.

    Unbelievable.

    He confirmed he is the one evaluating the coaches – that sure sounds like he’s staying.

    He also mentioned something quietly about “having to do something immediately” and then other things later. Would assume that means coaches.

    How can you get up there and say that the scoring was adequate? Your team is an AHL team without McDavid!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  123. Wayne Kenov says:

    Cassandra: This is the problem in a nutshell.

    The idea that you can ever have “enough” scoring, or “enough” talent, that once that box is checked you move on to other needs.

    There is no such thing as enough talent.You can never have excess talent.Last year the Oilers were 8th or something in goals for.Thatisn’t “enough.”The goal is to be first.

    Do you mean 20th? 11th 5v5, but I’m not sure that is fair because of how badly Connor killed evens (12pts above next closest player). If you just take those 12 pts away, they drop to 23. So I think the McDavid affect really obscures some things there.

  124. CaptainObvious says:

    Now comes the conjecture….

    Chia said the team scored enough goals.

    So……..less likely more scoring form a trade for a forward?

    More likely….more scoring from PP and D?………OEL? Barrie?

  125. Wayne Kenov says:

    Brantford Boy:
    russ99,

    WTF… so 4 players, thats it… Benning, Cags, Khaira and Slepy… wow how did I let that one slide by me… hope he has more up his sleeve than to count on those 4 driving results…

    He’s betting JP can play 1RW, so that he can trade Nuge. Making it the third time he trades an elite winger on a JP hunch.

  126. Wilde says:

    Almost every time Chiarelli got hammered on a question he went towards coaching almost subconsciously, Todd’s gone.

  127. CaptainObvious says:

    digger50: Minor point. Heard Sleppy was signing in KHL . On radio this am

    Yes. Thank you.

    Ive been saying Sleppy would have to learn/agree to accept a 4th line role…like Kassian (would give us a 4ht line with scoring potential….4 scoring line model)

    His alternative is to go to the KHL for more money and a midlle six role. Depends how bad he wants NHL/Stanley

  128. Munny says:

    Jethro Tull:
    What “Puff of Smoke” comment?

    A new Pope!!

  129. Wilde says:

    Chiarelli said wingers are easier to get, doesn’t that beg the question of how the winger group is so bad when it’s a buyers market?

  130. N64 says:

    CaptainObvious:
    Overall.

    Nuge and Ratte stay

    JP stays

    1st rounder might be in play if necessary (in the right deal)

    Would like to improve righty lefty D scenario

    Edit:Backup Goalie upgrade a priority

    No one asked the hard questions. What are they going to do about the orange jerseys destroying system play at home.?

  131. OmJo says:

    Wilde:
    Chiarelli said wingers are easier to get, doesn’t that beg the question of how the winger group is so bad when it’s a buyers market?

    Easier to get if you’re trading with Chiarelli…

  132. Jethro Tull says:

    Munny: A new Pope!!

    Things to do today: Repent.

  133. Wayne Kenov says:

    Wilde:
    Chiarelli said wingers are easier to get, doesn’t that beg the question of how the winger group is so bad when it’s a buyers market?

    It depends on whether or not you consider Caggiula a top 6 winger.

  134. CaptainObvious says:

    Wilde:
    Almost every time Chiarelli got hammered on a question he went towards coaching almost subconsciously, Todd’s gone.

    Interesting when asked who is responsible for coaching assessment…he responded with a strong “I AM”
    He also stated he thinks its the right system more or less..and that many players in exit interviews acknolowdged this.

  135. Munny says:

    Bling: We’re getting a new pope!

    Dammit! Should have known I wouldn’t be first on a busy morning here at work.

  136. CaptainObvious says:

    Stauffer Speculating on Kelfbom for Barrie.

    Colorado ownership has a spending cap and have RHD prospects in the pipeline today.

    Questions whether Oilers would do it.

  137. N64 says:

    dustrock: He confirmed he is the one evaluating the coaches – that sure sounds like he’s staying

    His evaluation process of the coach is a big part of how he is being evaluated.ditto for the coach.

  138. CaptainObvious says:

    Stauffer bring up LTs point about a Sekera buyout

    Its a tool that could be used if neccessary

  139. Munny says:

    Jethro Tull: Things to do today: Repent.

    Cardinal sins!

  140. CaptainObvious says:

    Stauffer calling for a Right Shot Center who can win faceoffs…to play 4th line center

    So JJ can play middle six winger.

    Edit: Bob been talking about Derek Ryan

  141. CaptainObvious says:

    Stauffer and others guessing that if we win one of the lottos we are making the pick

    If we are in position 9-12 higher probability the pick gets moved.

  142. Georges says:

    Wilde:
    Almost every time Chiarelli got hammered on a question he went towards coaching almost subconsciously, Todd’s gone.

    I posted McLennan’s comparables on 3rd season P% in yesterday’s thread.

    kinger said, wow, there are a lot of bad teams on that list.

    This is what PC has to reconcile.

    Either the team he put together to start the season was a bad team that had no chance.

    Or it was a pre-season contender that vastly underperformed.

    If he goes with option A, he’s admitting that after 3 seasons, the team with CMD off the ice is as bad or worse than it was before he got here.

    Or maybe ANA killed McLellan’s time with EDM the same way LAK killed his time with SJS. Bad gut-wrenching playoff losses and all that…

  143. StixMalone says:

    Sweet baby Nuge is safe……

  144. OilClog says:

    StixMalone:
    Sweet baby Nuge is safe……

    Mcdavids exit interview “hey guys, move Nuge and I’ll call Bobby to come beat the shit out of you, see you in September”

  145. CaptainObvious says:

    StixMalone:
    Sweet baby Nuge is safe……

    Right?!!!

    All in all a positve day. Keep Nuge. Resign Rattie. Look for RHD. Get a better Backup.

    Iget it doesnt answer many questions that people in here have……but a good day none the less.

  146. Rondo says:

    Chiarelli still has a job. Oilers deserve him .

  147. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    N64: No one asked the hard questions. What are they going to do about the orange jerseys destroying system play at home.?

    Is it possible this is a thing? My wife is convinced. I mean there’s orange and then there’s fluorescent, safety orange. Purposefully designed to be discombobulating.

  148. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Georges,

    – This is good.

    – The problem I believe is that while we can ask those questions (and have our bias), I just don’t believe that Bob (no NHL exec experience), Lowe (not hireable as an exec in Hockey), MacT (not hireable as an exec), Howson (see above), Wayne Gretzky (not a hockey exec) and whoever else might be at the table, you just can’t believe that they are going to be equipped to make the right choices

    – And as I’ve alluded to before: a young upcoming exec: the last place I would accept a position would be the Oil and their current exec group: I’d take my chances at so many other places before willing to join this current structure

    – You may be right that Coach was the problem. But who there do you really trust to be able to make that call, and who do you trust there to be able to go out and find the “best coach”

    – So I might be changing my tune, but like all of us I want what is best for this team. But I think a coaching change, made by the executive that got us here, is terrifying.

    – I think you believe this was an excellent team, and the coach did a miserable job. Certainly this is the prevailing wisdom.

    – So do they fire the coach, continue to believe they have a good team, and hope that the next coach gets better results? Do they have the group to know what actually is wrong with the team?

  149. SwedishPoster says:

    Yeah Chia talks without saying nothing really. Just a bunch of spinning to save his job. Now in more interesting news, Skellefteå is up 1-0 going in to the third. Berglund with a helper on the goal, he outmuscled a guy by the boards in the o zone moved the puck to his d partner who passed the forward who scored.

  150. SwedishPoster says:

    Both guys playing well but Berglund is beasting.

  151. Cassandra says:

    If they were going to fire the coaching staff why haven’t they already?

    Anyway, it is clear that Chiarelli gets another year to destroy the franchise.

    So we are back to my rules of predicting what Chiarelli will do.

    1) Imagine the worst possible outcome (s).

    That’s it.

    So by rule #1 the worst possible outcome is some combination of trading RNH, Klefbom, and the #1 pick. This is the worst possible outcome because all of these things have significant value to the Oilers, and the return for them has a 100% chance of having signficant less value.

    By this reasoning what will happen is trading Klefbom and #1 pick for Barrie and 3rd round pick.

    Note, this is my most optimistic outcome. It might end up worse, but some things I cannot imagine (like trading Hall for a second pairing defensive defenseman).

    For those of you who think it will be Klefbom for Barrie straight up, you can keep on dreaming. This isn’t how this works.

  152. Confused says:

    SwedishPoster,

    Any idea why we are not bringing him over at the end of the season or is that still possible?

  153. Jethro Tull says:

    Cassandra: For those of you who think it will be Klefbom for Barrie straight up, you can keep on dreaming. This isn’t how this works.

    If Chia makes that trade, it will be because MacTavish must have arragned it years ago with Sakic, and Sakic is honouring it, right?

    Worst possible scenario, Pete does nothing, McDavid wants out.

  154. John Chambers says:

    Cassandra,

    On the opposite end of the scale from the Taylor Hall deal, Barrie is owed nearly $12M over the final two years of his contract, while Klefbom is owed $22M over 5 years.

    If Avs’ ownership wishes to save a few million annually (remember, the Avs were hesistant to hand out Barrie’s current contract), while making room for Cale Makar, trading Klef for Barrie makes sense.

    Dollars matter. They matter less to Darryl Katz than to other owners, and it’s a leverage point I can see the Oilers exploiting.

  155. russ99 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    Georges,

    – This is good.

    – The problem I believe is that while we can ask those questions (and have our bias), I just don’t believe that Bob (no NHL exec experience), Lowe (not hireable as an exec in Hockey), MacT (not hireable as an exec), Howson (see above), Wayne Gretzky (not a hockey exec) and whoever else might be at the table, you just can’t believe that they are going to be equipped to make the right choices

    – And as I’ve alluded to before: a young upcoming exec: the last place I would accept a position would be the Oil and their current exec group: I’d take my chances at so many other places before willing to join this current structure

    – You may be right that Coach was the problem.But who there do you really trust to be able to make that call, and who do you trust there to be able to go out and find the “best coach”

    – So I might be changing my tune, but like all of us I want what is best for this team.But I think a coaching change, made by the executive that got us here, is terrifying.

    – I think you believe this was an excellent team, and the coach did a miserable job.Certainly this is the prevailing wisdom.

    – So do they fire the coach, continue to believe they have a good team, and hope that the next coach gets better results?Do they have the group to know what actually is wrong with the team?

    As much that the idea that Chiarelli is a shadow GM and Lowe/MacT are running things behind the scenes is a dumb conspiracy theory, it’s starting to make a little more sense.

  156. dustrock says:

    Chelios is a Dinosaur: Is it possible this is a thing? My wife is convinced. I mean there’s orange and then there’s fluorescent, safety orange. Purposefully designed to be discombobulating.

    I can honestly see how this would make a difference on the home PK especially – the opposition is just looking for a little extra space, especially for a cross-ice pass, and it’s super easy to tell the positioning of all 4 PKers with those jerseys.

  157. CaptainObvious says:

    SwedishPoster:
    Yeah Chia talks without saying nothing really. Just a bunch of spinning to save his job. Now in more interesting news, Skellefteå is up 1-0 going in to the third. Berglund with a helper on the goal, he outmuscled a guy by the boards in the o zone moved the puck to his d partner who passed the forward who scored.

    Outstanding! Thank you.

  158. judgedrude says:

    dustrock: I can honestly see how this would make a difference on the home PK especially – the opposition is just looking for a little extra space, especially for a cross-ice pass, and it’s super easy to tell the positioning of all 4 PKers with those jerseys.

    This. An interesting comment from Gretzky at one of the Old-Timer games was that he made a no-look pass from the corner because he saw the reflection of his teammate in the glass. These are the types of things that NHL players do, and the Pylon jerseys make it that much easier.

  159. Wilde says:

    Confused:
    SwedishPoster,

    Any idea why we are not bringing him over at the end of the season or is that still possible?

    Him playing the tournament in Sweden is much better for his development than playing out the string on a playoffless Bakersfield squad

  160. Wilde says:

    Cassandra:

    If they were going to fire the coaching staff why haven’t they already?

    Because there’s a power struggle.

    Katz wanted heads to roll in January.

  161. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – I hate the Leafs: but as a kid, they were my team: Sittler MacDonald, Salming, Palmateer, Tiger Williams, Neilson as coach: they fought hard against the Islanders in that glorious playoff: my first hockey memories

    – Then MacDonald gets traded, Sittler rips off his C. I move up North, the Oil come onto the scene, and that was that: I hate the Leafs.

    – While the Leafs haven’t won anything yet, the contrast between how they have bottomed out, and the changes they put in place in management are startling:

    Look at the template of the management for Leafs and contrast it with the Oil

    1) President: Shanahan: “old-school” traditional ex-player, but also NHL insider, given his time at NHL HQ: got to know a lot about hockey, met a lot of people: has surrounded himself with a lot of good people (and doesn’t bleed Leafs as primary attribute) vs Bob: who has no NHL experience. He’s a good old boy, and knows his way around as the former head of the annual “preside over pick NHL-all stars, and win internationally)

    2) GM: Lou – Great track record, nice combo with him and Shanny, in terms of younger and older: great track-record, again not Leaf Alumni vs Chia: who in isolation, has done some good things, went to 2 Cups, well-respected.

    3) AGM: Kyle Dubas: new-school, smart, analytics, and aspiring GM in waiting, not leaf alumni vs MacT, who is not hireable in the NHL as AGM, but presumably is the next in line to be GM here.

    4) AGM Mark Hunter: nice contrast with Kyle: played, coached in Junior, traditional AGM as ex-player, but put in his time, moving up: This is Duane Sutter: who was part of the scouting staff that was awful before getting promoted. He’s been here 6 years

    5) AAGM: Brandon Pridham: this goes back to Shanny: would have known him when working for NHL: cap expert, insider: smart hire, knows what he’s doing vs Bill Scott: who was here before the new GM came, and is old-stock Oiler organization

    6) Special Advisor: Cliff Fletcher: see comments below, only Leaf “nostalgia” ceremony guy: this should be Gretz role. Gretz telling Conner he is going to be great is one thing, Gretz helping the hockey side, not so much

    7) Coach – Babcock. Went out and got best resume coach vs Todd: 2nd best guy available at the time

    8) Assistant: Hiller: power-pay guru, Coaches’ guy vs Woodcroft: nice PP pal

    9) Assitant: DJ Smith: former OHL coach of year, strong credentials vs. Johnson: nice PK pal

    10) Jacques Lemaire vs Kevin Lowe: as a eye in the sky sure Lemaire is OK. Lowe though, he’s still thinking he’s the man

    11) Player Personel: Paliafito: great OHL GM track record, doesn’t bleed Leafs. vs. Rick Carriere: who has been head of player development for the Oil since 2012!

    – So this post is long, but I think to the extent that an organizations’ management is important to team success, there are some startling conclusions:

    1) The Oil since hiring Chia nd Coach, did not really bring in very many other execs with experiences from other organizations

    2) The coach: his coaching staff came entirely from his old organization, vs the Leafs who have a bit of everything. It would appear that only the coach selected his staff: not good

    3) Keith Gretzky appears to be solid, but he’s the only executive that was hired subsequent to Chia arriving. The Leafs: its’ clear they brought in many people, and their circles come from more than Leaf Nation, or ex-Detroit Redwings

    4) There are no execs on the Leaf organization that were around when the Leafs really sucked. The Oil, their management structure is loaded with executives that fialed for over a Decade, and still have influence.

    – As someone who spends a lot time looking at ownership and management of companies for investment purposes: I know which structure would give me the most comfort

    – It’s taken me a long time to get to all of this. Going scorched earth now wold be a mistake, but the opportunity for this organziation to really do a good job in bringing in top management was a few years ago.

    – Instead they hired Bob: a great guy yes-man with no NHL experience. And they hired a GM that was the best available, and they hired the 2nd best coach available

    – But the coach just brought in his assistants en masse (with apologies to the former UofA head coach, with no pro-experience

    – And the GM, whether he is good or not, he’s got an organization full of management that does not have a history of excellence.

    – We can fire the coach because he was bad, and we can fire the GM because he was bad, but the layers of terrible other management will still remain.

    – The Leaf management for what it’s worth skates circles around the Oil.

    – We have McD though, and no one has that, and he alone rises tides

    – End of rant: thanks for reading anyone who does

    * If we don’t see some new faces in the exec (and say good-bye to some of the OBC), then we know this power struggle/ coup d’etat is real, and the GM does not drive the bus.

    * If we don’t see some new faces on the coaching staff, or new coach (non OBC-division), then we know the GM does not drive the bus.

    – As an in-between: bring in some new management talent, then hire a new coach and/or assistants. They can improve the management in steps: just depends on whose coming in. Hopefully its not the same group making these calls. The coaching staff can wait awhile to make changes.

  162. stephen sheps says:

    Wilde: Because there’s a power struggle.

    Katz wanted heads to roll in January.

    I keep seeing this repeated on the blog and it’s taken on a somewhat meme-like quality, along the lines of LT hating Smid or that the Oilers were (or weren’t) going to draft Barzal.

    Is there any evidence that this was the case? Like real, on the record direct from the horse’s mouth evidence, or is it pure conjecture? Because if there was a coup, failed or otherwise, it speaks to an even bigger issue in the organization than PC’s abject failure to manage assets particularly well. If there isn’t any evidence, why is it consistently spoken of as fact?

  163. frjohnk says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – I hate the Leafs: but as a kid, they were my team: Sittler MacDonald, Salming, Palmateer, Tiger Williams, Neilson as coach: they fought hard against the Islanders in that glorious playoff: my first hockey memories

    – Then MacDonald gets traded, Sittler rips off his C.I move up North, the Oil come onto the scene, and that was that: I hate the Leafs.

    – While the Leafs haven’t won anything yet, the contrast between how they have bottomed out, and the changes they put in place in management are startling:

    Look at the template of the management for Leafs and contrast it with the Oil

    1) President: Shanahan: “old-school” traditional ex-player, but also NHL insider, given his time at NHL HQ: got to know a lot about hockey, met a lot of people: has surrounded himself with a lot of good people (and doesn’t bleed Leafs as primary attribute) vs Bob: who has no NHL experience.He’s a good old boy, and knows his way around as the former head of the annual “preside over pick NHL-all stars, and win internationally)

    2) GM: Lou – Great track record, nice combo with him and Shanny, in terms of younger and older: great track-record, again not Leaf Alumni vs Chia: who in isolation, has done some good things, went to 2 Cups, well-respected.

    3) AGM: Kyle Dubas: new-school, smart, analytics, and aspiring GM in waiting, not leaf alumni vs MacT, who is not hireable in the NHL as AGM, but presumably is the next in line to be GM here.

    4) AGM Mark Hunter: nice contrast with Kyle: played, coached in Junior, traditional AGM as ex-player, but put in his time, moving up: This is Duane Sutter: who was part of the scouting staff that was awful before getting promoted.He’s been here 6 years

    5) AAGM: Brandon Pridham: this goes back to Shanny: would have known him when working for NHL: cap expert, insider: smart hire, knows what he’s doing vs Bill Scott: who was here before the new GM came, and is old-stock Oiler organization

    6) Special Advisor: Cliff Fletcher: see comments below, only Leaf “nostalgia” ceremony guy: this should be Gretz role.Gretz telling Conner he is going to be great is one thing, Gretz helping the hockey side, not so much

    7) Coach – Babcock. Went out and got best resume coach vs Todd: 2nd best guy available at the time

    8) Assistant: Hiller: power-pay guru, Coaches’ guy vs Woodcroft: nice PP pal

    9) Assitant: DJ Smith: former OHL coach of year, strong credentials vs. Johnson: nice PK pal

    10) Jacques Lemaire vs Kevin Lowe: as a eye in the sky sure Lemaire is OK.Lowe though, he’s still thinking he’s the man

    11) Player Personel: Paliafito: great OHL GM track record, doesn’t bleed Leafs. vs. Rick Carriere: who has been head of player development for the Oil since 2012!

    – So this post is long, but I think to the extent that an organizations’ management is important to team success, there are some startling conclusions:

    1) The Oil since hiring Chia nd Coach, did not really bring in very many other execs with experiences from other organizations

    2) The coach: his coaching staff came entirely from his old organization, vs the Leafs who have a bit of everything.It would appear that only the coach selected his staff: not good

    3) Keith Gretzky appears to be solid, but he’s the only executive that was hired subsequent to Chia arriving.The Leafs: its’ clear they brought in many people, and their circles come from more than Leaf Nation, or ex-Detroit Redwings

    4) There are no execs on the Leaf organization that were around when the Leafs really sucked. The Oil, their management structure is loaded with executives that fialed for over a Decade, and still have influence.

    – As someone who spends a lot time looking at ownership and management of companies for investment purposes: I know which structure would give me the most comfort

    – It’s taken me a long time to get to all of this.Going scorched earth now wold be a mistake, but the opportunity for this organziation to really do a good job in bringing in top management was a few years ago.

    – Instead they hired Bob: a great guy yes-man with no NHL experience.And they hired a GM that was the best available, and they hired the 2nd best coach available

    –But the coach just brought in his assistants en masse (with apologies to the former UofA head coach, with no pro-experience

    – And the GM, whether he is good or not, he’s got an organization full of management that does not have a history of excellence.

    – We can fire the coach because he was bad, and we can fire the GM because he was bad, but the layers of terrible other management will still remain.

    – The Leaf management for what it’s worth skates circles around the Oil.

    – We have McD though, and no one has that, and he alone rises tides

    – End of rant: thanks for reading anyone who does

    Only thing the Oilers have over the Leafs is that our best player is better than their best player.
    Management, coaching, forward depth, defense, goaltending, impact players, prospects all are either close to even or better in the Leafs favor.

  164. frjohnk says:

    Did Chiarelli really say that about Lucic?
    “I liked his skating”

  165. stephen sheps says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    this detailed breakdown of yours is exactly why I advocate for and also am terrified of scorched earth, as indicated in my reply to you earlier in the thread.

    great post.

  166. Oilin4 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – I hate the Leafs: but as a kid, they were my team: Sittler MacDonald, Salming, Palmateer, Tiger Williams, Neilson as coach: they fought hard against the Islanders in that glorious playoff: my first hockey memories

    – Then MacDonald gets traded, Sittler rips off his C.I move up North, the Oil come onto the scene, and that was that: I hate the Leafs.

    – While the Leafs haven’t won anything yet, the contrast between how they have bottomed out, and the changes they put in place in management are startling:

    Look at the template of the management for Leafs and contrast it with the Oil

    1) President: Shanahan: “old-school” traditional ex-player, but also NHL insider, given his time at NHL HQ: got to know a lot about hockey, met a lot of people: has surrounded himself with a lot of good people (and doesn’t bleed Leafs as primary attribute) vs Bob: who has no NHL experience.He’s a good old boy, and knows his way around as the former head of the annual “preside over pick NHL-all stars, and win internationally)

    2) GM: Lou – Great track record, nice combo with him and Shanny, in terms of younger and older: great track-record, again not Leaf Alumni vs Chia: who in isolation, has done some good things, went to 2 Cups, well-respected.

    3) AGM: Kyle Dubas: new-school, smart, analytics, and aspiring GM in waiting, not leaf alumni vs MacT, who is not hireable in the NHL as AGM, but presumably is the next in line to be GM here.

    4) AGM Mark Hunter: nice contrast with Kyle: played, coached in Junior, traditional AGM as ex-player, but put in his time, moving up: This is Duane Sutter: who was part of the scouting staff that was awful before getting promoted.He’s been here 6 years

    5) AAGM: Brandon Pridham: this goes back to Shanny: would have known him when working for NHL: cap expert, insider: smart hire, knows what he’s doing vs Bill Scott: who was here before the new GM came, and is old-stock Oiler organization

    6) Special Advisor: Cliff Fletcher: see comments below, only Leaf “nostalgia” ceremony guy: this should be Gretz role.Gretz telling Conner he is going to be great is one thing, Gretz helping the hockey side, not so much

    7) Coach – Babcock. Went out and got best resume coach vs Todd: 2nd best guy available at the time

    8) Assistant: Hiller: power-pay guru, Coaches’ guy vs Woodcroft: nice PP pal

    9) Assitant: DJ Smith: former OHL coach of year, strong credentials vs. Johnson: nice PK pal

    10) Jacques Lemaire vs Kevin Lowe: as a eye in the sky sure Lemaire is OK.Lowe though, he’s still thinking he’s the man

    11) Player Personel: Paliafito: great OHL GM track record, doesn’t bleed Leafs. vs. Rick Carriere: who has been head of player development for the Oil since 2012!

    – So this post is long, but I think to the extent that an organizations’ management is important to team success, there are some startling conclusions:

    1) The Oil since hiring Chia nd Coach, did not really bring in very many other execs with experiences from other organizations

    2) The coach: his coaching staff came entirely from his old organization, vs the Leafs who have a bit of everything.It would appear that only the coach selected his staff: not good

    3) Keith Gretzky appears to be solid, but he’s the only executive that was hired subsequent to Chia arriving.The Leafs: its’ clear they brought in many people, and their circles come from more than Leaf Nation, or ex-Detroit Redwings

    4) There are no execs on the Leaf organization that were around when the Leafs really sucked. The Oil, their management structure is loaded with executives that fialed for over a Decade, and still have influence.

    – As someone who spends a lot time looking at ownership and management of companies for investment purposes: I know which structure would give me the most comfort

    – It’s taken me a long time to get to all of this.Going scorched earth now wold be a mistake, but the opportunity for this organziation to really do a good job in bringing in top management was a few years ago.

    – Instead they hired Bob: a great guy yes-man with no NHL experience.And they hired a GM that was the best available, and they hired the 2nd best coach available

    –But the coach just brought in his assistants en masse (with apologies to the former UofA head coach, with no pro-experience

    – And the GM, whether he is good or not, he’s got an organization full of management that does not have a history of excellence.

    – We can fire the coach because he was bad, and we can fire the GM because he was bad, but the layers of terrible other management will still remain.

    – The Leaf management for what it’s worth skates circles around the Oil.

    – We have McD though, and no one has that, and he alone rises tides

    – End of rant: thanks for reading anyone who does

    It was a long rant, but great post. Chiarelli is more than a scapegoat but the problem with this team runs deep.

  167. who says:

    I remain convinced that they should leave the defense alone for 1 more year.
    But IF they feel they just have to have that puck moving RD Iike Barrie I think it’s better to move Klefbom than 9OV.
    First of all if they are taking on a 4 to 5 million dollar contract there has to be similar money leaving. Secondly, there will be an expansion draft in a couple years with similar rules as the last one. It only makes sense to have as many elite talent exemptions as possible.
    If they wait a year Sekera and Russell become considerably more tradeable and you get to keep Klefbom and 9OV. Who knows, maybe someone like Benning, Bear or even Berglund will be able to take that step by the end of next year. If not you have more options in terms of contracts to move.
    And this brings me back to the main reason Chia should be let go. He knows he has to make the playoffs next year to keep his job. He will be willing to mortgage the future to MAYBE make the playoffs. Does this look like a GM that has the best long term interests of the team at heart? His stated willingness to trade 9OV says NO.
    He was impatient when he took the job and now it looks like he is willing to double down on that impatience.

  168. Georges says:

    Here’s how teams have done in the playoffs in the last 25 years. I’m including this season, so teams that are in the playoffs this year can add to their totals.

    Team/Franchise, Playoff Series Wins, Cups, Years in League

    DET, 32, 4, 25
    PIT, 27, 3, 25
    NJD, 23, 3, 25
    NYR, 19, 1, 25
    COL, 19, 2, 25
    CHI, 19, 3, 25
    PHI, 18, 0, 25
    SJS, 17, 0, 25
    ANA, 16, 1, 24
    DAL, 15, 1, 25
    LAK, 14, 2, 25
    MTL, 13, 1, 25
    VAN, 12, 0, 25
    TBL, 12, 1, 25
    BOS, 12, 1, 25
    BUF, 12, 0, 25
    STL, 11, 0, 25
    TOR, 11, 0, 25
    OTT, 11, 0, 25
    WSH, 10, 0, 25
    CAR, 9, 1, 25
    NSH, 6, 0, 19
    EDM, 6, 0, 25
    CGY, 4, 0, 25
    MIN, 4, 0, 17
    NYI, 3, 0, 25
    FLA, 3, 0, 24
    ARI, 2, 0, 25
    WPG, 0, 0, 18
    CBJ, 0, 0, 17
    VEG, 0, 0, 1

    As you can see, the distribution is not uniform and the League hasn’t been fair or balanced.

    Near the top of the list, we see what success looks like. 3 or 4 Cups in 25 years. If you’re among the best, you’re averaging 1 playoff series win a year.

    Near the bottom of the list, we see what failure looks like. 3 or 4 playoff series wins (as opposed to Cups) in 25 years. If you’re among the worst, you’re either looking for your first series win or you’re getting one every decade.

    (Many of those seasons were pre salary cap and there’s a range in what teams were able to spend over some of that stretch. So there are obviously other variables to consider than managerial competence alone.)

    Apparently, moving from not winning in the playoffs to winning in the playoffs isn’t easy. NSH looks like they’re finally moving up the ranks after 19 seasons of not getting the formula right. 3 series wins last season. Expected to contend this season. LAK managed a 3 year stretch of 10 series wins and 2 cups. They also hadn’t done much before that.

    Then there’s BOS.

    Before PC took over in 06-07, BOS had 2 series wins since 92-93. During his 9 year tenure there, the team won 10 playoff rounds and 1 Cup.

    I know that it’s a what have you done for me lately business. And I’ve questioned McLellan’s record in SJS because it’s sandwiched between comparable records. But the two cases (the past records of GM and the HC) are different. With PC, BOS wasn’t modestly successful before he got there (just 2 playoff series wins in the prior 13 seasons). You can easily argue that the PC era was transformative for that franchise.

    Lowe gave our team a one year run that came up one game short. It didn’t transform the team into a perennial contender. That’s really hard to do apparently because few teams have done it. Poile has had to wait 19 seasons to be celebrated as a visionary. And he still hasn’t won a Cup!

    PC has managed to do that: win a Cup, build a winning program. The results of his negotiations and how he values high end talent is head-scratching to mere mortals like me. But I wouldn’t chase that guy off just yet. At the start of the season, the team he put together was favored to reach the Finals, if y’all recall.

  169. jm363561 says:

    CaptainObvious:
    “This is important stuff. The 50-man list is like a photograph, it’s a moment frozen in time. We all have our opinions and biases and lord knows framing issues should be an Olympic sport by now if you bunch reflect society as a whole. The 50-man list from a specific time and place never changes, it looks back at you from the distance of time and re-tells its own story.”

    Completely agree with this statement.

    I will predict two things.

    1) The 2018-19 Oilers 50 man list will be the strongest in recent history (past 10 years) and will come close to the balance photo. Actual balance photo will arrive in 2019-20 just in time for a cup run.

    2) The 2018-19 Season will be THE most enjoyable Oilers season in the past 10 years by any objective measure.BECAUSE by the start of the season POT/WEED will be legalized!!!!

    PUFF OF SMOKE INDEED!!!

    ==========

    I really laughed at this post. I am now trying to understand why.

  170. Confused says:

    Wilde,

    Next year!

  171. jm363561 says:

    Cassandra: Here are the save percentages this year of some notable goalies of playoff teams.

    Brian Elliott .909
    Cory Schneider .907
    Braden Holtby .907
    Matt Murray .907

    Cam Talbot isn’t why the Oilers didn’t make the playoffs.1/4 of playoff teams got goaltending just as mediocre and made the playoffs anyway.And those teams didn’t have Connor McDavid.

    Chiarelli was gifted one of the best starting positions in NHL history.Three stars or superstars, two more good forwards, two good young D, a full set of draft picks, plus lots of salary cap space.The only way to fail in this situation was for McDavid to disappoint.

    Today, the Oilers are out of the playoffs, have one of the worst prospect lists in the NHL, and one of the worst salary cap situations in the league.

    All in only three years.It really is incredible.

    Unfortunately I have to agree.

  172. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Not sure if anyone posted the link is this thread, but this is a really cool piece in The Athletic by Corey Masisak

    https://theathletic.com/309504/2018/04/11/how-the-devils-are-infusing-analytics-at-various-levels-of-the-organization/

    Talks about the use of analytics in the NJD org and how much of a stats nerd Hall is.

    He teaches other players to use Natural Stat Trick if they’re interested

    Great read.

  173. OilClog says:

    Sounded like a lot of what Chia had to say about player performance all lands at the feet of the coaches without directly saying it.

    His Lucic quote scares me, yet it mostly Lucic’s inability to make the correct play rather then his skating causing the issue.

    Still far more concerned with what came out of Todd’s mouth, could never recover after winning the first game. Thought I’ve heard it all until then.

  174. McSorley33 says:

    12 weeks ago, in a lost season, PC actually trades a draft pick ( some here defended the move)
    for a soon to be 33 year old back up goalie.

    Now, wait for it – he wants to find a back up goalie.

    How many times is he going to pay for a back up goalie?

  175. stephen sheps says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Not sure if anyone posted the link is this thread, but this is a really cool piece in The Athletic by Corey Masisak

    https://theathletic.com/309504/2018/04/11/how-the-devils-are-infusing-analytics-at-various-levels-of-the-organization/

    Talks about the use of analytics in the NJD org and how much of a stats nerd Hall is.

    He teaches other players to use Natural Stat Trick if they’re interested

    Great read.

    That was a great read. Thanks for posting!

  176. Melvis says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Talks about the use of analytics in the NJD org and how much of a stats nerd Hall is.

    Which might explain a few things if that was the case during his tenure with the Oilers.

  177. Melvis says:

    An OZ of sativa at the local outlet parked next to the pizza palace. I won’t be throwing an empty bottle through the big screen next year. More like a slice of double meat loaded from one mitt, followed by a glob of peanut butter from the other.

    Advanced stats suggest some sort of savings in the latter event.

  178. Wayne Kenov says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Not sure if anyone posted the link is this thread, but this is a really cool piece in The Athletic by Corey Masisak

    https://theathletic.com/309504/2018/04/11/how-the-devils-are-infusing-analytics-at-various-levels-of-the-organization/

    Talks about the use of analytics in the NJD org and how much of a stats nerd Hall is.

    He teaches other players to use Natural Stat Trick if they’re interested

    Great read.

    “Guys, if you look at the numbers, I’m the best in the goddamn world”.

  179. --hudson-- says:

    Chiarelli’s press conference part 1/3

    Source video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWIMHPUctvI
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    Q: Peter, obviously a tough year for a lot of guys on your team. Milan Lucic was maybe the poster boy for that, a lot of money in a lot of years left on his deal. What does he have to do to live up to the contract and what’s your confidence level he can do that?
    Chiarelli: First I’m confident that he can get back to where the expectations live for him. Where are those expectations? He’s gotta obviously produce more, I actually liked his skating this year, he put a lot of work in the summer for his skating. He didn’t, you know there’s a lot of areas of his game that were subpar, finishing for a large part, his defensive zone play, but he’s, you know he’s still young in the big picture, he’s of tremendous character, and he’s I know the work he’s put in before in summers and we talked specifically about where he has to improve… where his game has to be with as the overall NHL game progresses and advances, and he’s committed to doing it. I’ve seen that commitment before and I would expect it again.

    Q (Greggor): Peter in how you’ve built the team in three years, what has to change moving forward now? Obviously I don’t think you’re happy with the results in two of those three years. So what has to change from a management focus or approach moving forward to get this team back in the playoffs?
    Chiarelli: Well we have to we have to play at a higher pace and that pace isn’t necessarily speed. I think you’ve heard us talk about that before, thinking more quickly, moving the puck through all three zones more quickly. You know you start at some point on the rink, whether it’s breaking out, whether it’s recovering in the neutral zone, whether it’s how you attack in the offensive zone, how you manage odd man rushes… it’s across the spectrum. Now is that a personnel issue? A little bit… so as a manager, I have to look at that. I have to see where we’re going with our personnel. I’ve always said I’d like… you know I think our speed starts at the back end and getting the puck up through the zones quickly. That’s not putting all the onus on the defense, but I that’s part of it, and so that’s an area where we’ll have to tweak. We’ve got some young forwards that will challenge that have some speed. So one, from the broader perspective we have to look at team speed a little bit. I’m a firm believer in you thinking more, this isn’t an excuse not to get faster players, but you think and you execute more quickly, and you become a faster team. We weren’t a slow team last year, so I think a lot of it is mental too, but as a manager from a personal perspective we have to look at it. So then personnel aside, you have to look at how you play the game, and so we have to break the puck out better. Generally, I wasn’t happy with our execution this year, and that starts with passing, and so that has to be better… and support… I don’t think we supported well, and I can dive a little deeper into why we didn’t, and that may be a question later on, but without support on the breakout, without support in the neutral zone, forecheck, without support on the cycle game, you’re not playing a fast game… Like there’s individual performances, that’s what it looks like, and that’s what I saw a lot. So how you play, and from the personnel perspective, we got to take a deep dive.

    Q: Peter, overall special teams was a big issue for the club this season, but how did you assess the job of the coaching staff? Not only with that just overall this year?
    Chiarelli: So just assess the coaching staff? I know when you look at special teams you automatically think of coaching, or at least a lot of people think of coaching. A lot of that is execution. We didn’t have success on the special teams this year. We are, from where we were last year, our PK rebounded a bit, we made some tweaks in middle of January, we started getting defending better on the PK, a little more aggressive and it rebounded. Our PP was disappointing this year and there were some personnel tweaks there that whether there were injuries, whether there was subpar performances, whether there was just different personnel, and that was disappointing. On the whole it was a challenge for our coaches this year and challenge, you’ve heard it before about the expectations coming in, challenge from how you were to manage that in game, how you’re to manage that game to game, and what happens is things start to go south a little bit, and it’s hard to pull them back, and that becomes a challenge for the coaches, a challenge for the manager. We’re like you know… specifically on the coaches, specifically on me, like this comes from the top downward. We’re all under evaluation, I think Todd is a very good coach, but we’re at a period of evaluation right now with him and his staff. I’m in a period of evaluation right now, that certainly we didn’t perform the way we’re expected. I did see some progress, I did see some malleability with the coaches as we were in these little crises, and we were tried to work through them, which is a promising sign that you can see that they could try and work through them. But you know I guess the major takeaway on the coaches is that we are all under evaluation.

    Q (Matheson): Peter, your three best forwards are Nugent-Hopkins and Draisatl and McDavid. They’re all centers. How did it get to the point where you really don’t have any wingers per se who can help in the top six?
    Chiarelli: I think we have rank wingers, I mean I think our scoring was actually more than adequate this year, so I disagree with you on that Jim. I know the storyline, I know the backstory, and I’ll address that. You know I think centers are more important, I think wingers are easier to find, and centers are more important. They carry a larger responsibility in the game, they’re generally more creative and make plays. I’ve been part of teams with strong centers, and that’s what this is, and that’s trying to build around. The lack of performance from the wingers is a concern. Does that mean they’re not good enough? Maybe. I think the number of line combinations, and this isn’t throwing it on the coaches, but the number of line combinations is a function of us not doing well. I think that has something to do with it. I think what you have if you got young players too, and they’re all centers that are finding their way, within the higher strata of players, and I think that’s part of it too. We’ve, you know, when you look back, we’ve basically lost, through our doings, three or four, possibly five veteran forwards from last year to this year. So I think, when I say finding our way, these players are finding their way, not so much as playing, but also having those responsibilities, and that’s been that higher level of players. So we could do a better job finding a winger or two, it’s certainly on the to-do list, but you know… I think our wingers… you know they’re obviously not good enough as a whole when you look at our performance this year, but I don’t think we should just pin it on the wingers.

  180. --hudson-- says:

    Chiarelli’s press conference part 2/3

    Source video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWIMHPUctvI
    ————————————————–
    Q (Terry Jones): To what extent did player performance negatively impact the management team and to what extent did the management team performance negatively impact the players this year?
    Chiarelli: Well I’m certainly trying to be accountable here, but you know the players, I think maybe but for two or three, I think the players as a group their performances were subpar. I’m not saying my performance was above par, but I guess areas below, well whatever analogy you want to use. But I think both played a part Terry. You know if you want to dissect the player personnel moves, as I said there’s a number of veteran players that we didn’t bring back, or traded. That was born out of necessity. Could we have done a better job in replacing those players? Maybe. Did we over project on a couple of young guys? Maybe early on we did, and you know part of what we’re trying to accomplish here, is getting each age group of players to progress, and whether it’s the earlier really top end players to inherit, not just more responsibility playing but more responsibility leading, whether it’s those group of 94s, get them to take the next step so that we have a real good gradual churn that’ll take place, and it’s hard. So that was as a management perspective, that is in part what we were trying to do, and you know when you talk about the underperformance of wingers, there’s some young wingers you’re talking about, whether it’s Jesse or the 94s. So we’re trying to do that, sometimes it’s a little bit forcing it, but that’s kind of part of the overall plan that we’re trying to accomplish here, and that plays a part of it.

    Q (Stauffer): Peter, Cam Talbots two straight years of 65 plus wins, this team travels a lot. Does the organization look, or need to look at, going outside of what you currently have to maybe ease the workload for Cam moving forward?
    Chiarelli: That’s a good question Bob, and we will, and I know we have contracted goalies for next year, Cam and Al Montoya. But it’s certainly, that’s closer near the top of the list of things to look at, and it’s something that we’ll have to look at closely, because there are rigors of the travel schedule, there are rigors of playing a lot of games. You said 65 wins, I would hope we would have 65 wins a year. Yeah so that that’s one of the things we got to look at then. It certainly, you want to… I would hope that Cam is our goalie going forward, like beyond next year, contractually he goes to next year, so we have to put him in a position to succeed too. And we have to manage that better, and I’ve talked to Todd and the staff, about managing that better. Managing it better means maybe you need a better alternative too, I’m not throwing Al under the bus, if I did a good job when we got him, and we needed to upgrade that position. So yes good question.

    Q: You said that you and the coaches were under evaluation. Who’s gonna be doing the evaluation, and can we say with any certainty right now who will be back for next season, and after a season like you just had, is some change warranted?
    Chiarelli: So your first question, who is doing the evaluation? I’m doing the evaluation of the coaches. You know what, after this season, you would think they’re under close scrutinization, and you know I have to look real close at it, and I have to dig deep, and you know I can’t say with certainty. On the surface you think, yes I have to make some changes, so I’ll leave it at that, and I want to make sure that we look at every facet of the coaching staff, and I have to look at you know, obviously have to look at the special teams, I have to look at the personnel that they were given, I have to look how they handled you know adversity throughout the year, as far as system changes or a personnel changes, so I got to dig deep.

    Q (Greggor): Peter one element of this team, it’s hard to find, but a puck moving right shot defenseman. Obviously they’re hard to find, you haven’t been able to find one who’s an effective one yet, you know Ethan Bear’s a young player, but is that priority number one? You talked about needing to move the puck, like you’ve got four lefties, but when one of them has to play the right side, all the numbers and the eye tests show that their play drops on that side. Do you need to find a right shot defenseman who can move the puck this summer?
    Chiarelli: Is that a need? Yes, it’s a need, that type of defenseman is a need. Would we like a perfect righty-lefty paradigm? Yes. It doesn’t mean that we got to rule out a left shot puck moving defenseman. I love the righty-lefty paradigm, I would like that, to get equal on each side, and to be compatible partners also. So it’s an area where we have to fill a gap.

    Q (Jack Michaels): Peter do you feel that this offseason, the tweaks might be more minor than a lot of people are anticipating, because when I hear you speak it sounds to me, and is it possible, that there’s a couple guys who weren’t good enough yet, and a couple of guys who had slightly off years, but that the guts of the team is actually much closer than the standings would have you think?
    Chiarelli: Well I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again, we’re not going to dismantle this team. We’ve got areas where we have to fill, and we’ve got areas off the ice that we have to look at, and there are things that we have to address immediately, and I’m not ruling out a trade either, but by no means are we going to dismantle this team. I expect this team to be in the playoffs next year and that’s we’re gonna strive for.

    Q (Principe): Peter, just to the back here to the left, you sort of discuss wingers, goalie potentially, right shot D. Is there, along with personnel, is there something else, maybe mindset wise you want to see from the players that will be back here next season to kind of get the season going, you know in the right way?
    Chiarelli: Well there was a lot of common comments in our exit meetings, from the players, about lack of commitment on the ice. Maybe that’s a nicer way of saying cheating, and that’s a very broad comment, and it can apply to a lot of areas on the ice. But the players openly said that, so they’re saying they have to be better at committing to the system, whether it’s our D zone coverage, which I had issues with. It’s the right system, it’s just the wrong execution. There has to be better defensive awareness. What happens is that it’s all linked to the plays and play in other zones, and that requires commitment, whether it’s back pressure, whether it’s blocking shots, whether it’s support. Support on a forecheck, support on a breakout, all of those things require commitment and focus. And so when you talk about, you know is there something that they have to think about or focus on? Their overall commitment has to be better, and they’re the first ones to admit it, and my eye test is that, yes I can see it in all these zones, and the numbers support it too. I talked with them on Sunday, the group, and we talked a number of things, the home/road discrepancy… like if you to look at the PK and even the overall record, home versus the road. I don’t know how to explain it on the PK. To me that’s got to be mental, and I mean you can say hey the goaltending wasn’t good enough for a time, or our system wasn’t great for a time. But to me, to have that discrepancy, is a large part mental. So there has to be better focus, and that’s what I said to the guys, I said you have to rest, recover, but get your head in the game. I posed them the question, you know we talked about the expectations, we talked about eliminating the white noise, which there’s another way of saying ignore the expectations, we talked about bringing their lunch pail, and we did none of those things, and I said how could we have managed the expectations better. I don’t know what the answer to that is, because it was first and foremost, and we made sure it was a constant theme. So a large part of its mental, they have to be ready to go, we’re going to do certain things too off the ice to get them ready to go, but that would be things that we would do.

  181. --hudson-- says:

    Chiarelli’s press conference part 3/3

    Source video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWIMHPUctvI
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    Q (Matheson): Peter, if you need, or would like, a really high-end offensive defenseman who shoots right/shoots left, can you do that without trading Nugent-Hopkins or giving up your first round draft choice?
    Chiarelli: {laughs} I don’t know, I couldn’t tell you.
    Q (Matheson): Do you want to trade your first round? Would your first round be in play?
    Chiarelli: That’s a better question that I’ll engage. At some point, yes I would put that pick in play. It would have to make sense, there’s a whole cluster of D that I like you know, but it would certainly be consistent to what we’re trying to do if we look… Again if we win the lottery or if we’re in the top three, I’d have to rethink that, but we could end up… well we we’re nine now, we could end up twelve right, so I’d have to look at it. I wouldn’t rule it out.

    Q (Stauffer): Peter, one of the hot topics in town was the deployment of Jesse Puljujarvi. How would you assess the season for him and did you see progression in his game?
    Chiarelli: I would, I saw progression Bob, I think he tailed off at the end, and what I saw was a much cleaner game, and that’s something we asked Jesse to do when we sent him down. I saw a real rejuvenated offensive player, when we called him up, for a large part a dangerous player, and then I saw a player who lost a lot of confidence at the end. But you know when you put it all together, I liked what his season brought, and I wouldn’t, frankly wouldn’t do anything differently. He’s talented and physical enough to contribute at our level, and develop at our level, and that’s why we brought him up when we brought him up. He’s got to get better at a number of things and you saw them all. I mean when you don’t have confidence, he doesn’t hang on to the puck, he doesn’t protect it well enough for a man of his size, he doesn’t win the battles that he should for a man of his size, but when he’s on he’s a very dangerous player. So we had a good exit interview, he’s gonna work on his speed, he’s a terrific skater, but when his conference is down, his skating looks a little gangly and off. But he’s a terrific skater and he’s gonna be a real good player for us. So as a whole, yes I’m satisfied, I know some of his counterparts are doing better, but this player, this person, it’s about the long term for him, what he’s going to become in the long term, because with his package and his abilities, he’s gonna be a really good player.

    Q (Greggor): Peter, a lot of the players admitted they needed to be better and you’ve looked at areas of their game that needs to be better. How could the organization help support them better? Do you have to reevaluate that and look to say okay, are we doing our best to ensure that our guys are put in the best positions to succeed?
    Chiarelli: Is that about personnel, player personnel?
    Q (Greggor): Well player, but maybe off the ice, just you know you read so many stories about other teams, and there’s so much more to the game than just what you see on the ice right. Is the organization doing everything, you feel, properly to ensure a relatively young group is given the support they need as much off the ice as on?
    Chiarelli: That’s a good question, I would like to think that we are Jason. There’s a number of things that we do that you don’t see, and it about support, it’s about facilities, it’s about communication. I guess we can always do better, like in my experience, I would say we’re probably on par with a lot of the teams and what they do. Does that mean we can’t be better? No, we can be better. I mean there’s a whole level of counseling, there’s a whole level of the kind of extracurricular activities, there’s a whole level of you know medical things that are available to the families. You know there are some areas where I think we can improve, we’ve got a level of sports psychology, but maybe that can be a little better. There’s some team-building stuff that we didn’t do this past year, and I’ve skipped stuff like that before, and sometimes it gets too much when you do the team-building stuff, we’ll get it back again. It’s kind of the next cycle, it gets back, whether that’s preseason stuff, summer stuff, in season stuff. We’re gonna use Europe as a forum for that. So ya, we could be better yep, and it’s an area we’re looking at, and certainly I don’t know if we can be better by this facility, but we can leverage it better probably.

    Q: Ty Rattie seemed to, you know fit in nicely in the short stint that he was here. Why do you think that was and then I guess the obvious follow-up is would you like to bring him back next season?
    Chiarelli: He’s a very cerebral player, and he moves the puck well, and I think he fit in well. It was also with Nugent-Hopkins being up there too, so you have three very cerebral players that recognize the need to move the puck quickly. He had a pretty good year in Bakersfield, it was a one-dimensional year, we delayed bringing him up as the defensive game, for the longest time in Bakersfield, struggled. We wanted to have a look at him, because we thought at one point he would get into our lineup, and he did. Yeah we would like to have him back and we’ve had some discussions, so we’ll see how that goes.

    Q (Terry Jones): Would you definitively say that it is your intention to keep Nugent-Hopkins as a member of the core group of his team?
    Chiarelli: Yeah I would say that.

    Q (Matheson): With Sekera, if you had it to do over again with his injury, would you have another defenseman, a more veteran defenseman? And the other question I have is, did you tell Nugent-Hopkins when the season ended at your exit interview, you’re a winger now, not a center, and to work on being a winger?
    Chiarelli: Second part, no I didn’t tell him that, but I didn’t tell him the opposite either. You know I thought about the Sekera stuff, so I mentioned earlier about maybe over projecting some of our younger guys, maybe that would apply to Darnell and Matt Benning. Yeah maybe if I had a do over I would, I mean we looked at that very closely, and consistent with what we were trying to do with our, you know I talked about the 94’s, the younger group. I wanted to give them the opportunity, that might have been an oversight by me.

    Thank you!

  182. --hudson-- says:

    It seems both Matheson and Terry Jones really want the scoop on a Nugent-Hopkins trade.

  183. Woogie63 says:

    OilClog:
    Sounded like a lot of what Chia had to say about player performance all lands at the feet of the coaches without directly saying it.

    His Lucic quote scares me, yet it mostly Lucic’s inability to make the correct play rather then his skating causing the issue.

    Still far more concerned with what came out of Todd’s mouth, could never recover after winning the first game. Thought I’ve heard it all until then.

    TMac admitted he was not as prepared for the presser as he usually would be. I suspect upon reflection he might weave a different story line.

  184. Craig Zonit says:

    stephen sheps,

    I agree, sounds apocryphal but Friedman actually talked about it on the 31 Thoughts podcast, I believe this one:

    https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/31-thoughts-podcast-makes-final-call-edmonton/

  185. stephen sheps says:

    Craig Zonit,

    I’ll give that a listen when I get out of the grading cave and have time to concentrate, but I tend to believe in a sample size of n=1 as a touch too small, and I say that as a dyed in the wool qualitative guy. If there’s more than just some rumblings on a podcast, I’d love to hear it. Otherwise, it’s apocryphal as you said…

    That said, thanks for sending! I hope I didn’t sound too dismissive – just real skeptical about stories like these.

  186. Craig Zonit says:

    stephen sheps,

    Not at all, your comment jogged my memory and I wanted to share. An eminently reasonable approach, yours. I haven’t seen that nugget corroborated anywhere. I would love a peek behind the curtain, but I’m afraid that for all their foibles, Kingsway has remained opaque. Best of luck grading!

  187. Ribs says:

    Melvis: Which might explain a few things if that was the case during his tenure with the Oilers.

    Every off-season we’d hear about guys in the dressing room who cared more about their stats line than winning during Hall’s time in Edmonton…

  188. CaptainObvious says:

    Puck about to drop on the 2018 Stanely Cup Playoffs.

    Enjoy everyone!

    J E T S

    Jets!
    Jets!
    Jets!

  189. CaptainObvious says:

    Interesting Quote from Paul Maurice.

    “Playoffs isnt about doing more……its about doing less……AS FAST AS YOU CAN.”

  190. Munny says:

    I feel bad for that one guy who dressed half asleep and wore blue to the Jets game.

  191. CaptainObvious says:

    Jets Fans into it! Sea of White and Loud! Standing in Unison 5 minutes before puck drop.

    AWESOME.

    Following a tradition created by Oilers fans…..Singing O Canada Loud and Proud

  192. CaptainObvious says:

    Best thing about Oilers missing playoffs..

    No Kevin Quinn and Drew Remenda

  193. CaptainObvious says:

    Game over in Pittsburgh.

    Malkin doing his best Leon Draisaitl impression from 2016-17 playoffs.

    Philidelphia with Goaltender Problem…..

  194. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    russ99:
    LT:

    Gonna save that 50 man list when Chia took over and post it when people complain about the job he’s done. What a mass of dreck.

    You may not like certain moves, but he had to do heavy, heavy lifting.

    The forwards are worse than when he took over.

    The Dcorpse is better.

    Goalering is better.

    He’s drafted well.

    His NHL forwards are much worse today and his NHL Dcorps isn’t worth what he paid to get them.

    This continues the trend of Peter being good at smaller things (although draft is huge and so is development), but shitting the bed when it comes to assessing quality, market value and fair compensation for NHL players.

  195. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    russ99,

    Nobody is happy with the job he did last summer, but he was an executive of the year nominee last year so he had to do something right.

    Nope, that’s not evidence that he did something right.

    That’s evidence that his team improved a lot in one year.

    My evidence was that it was 87.3% McDavid, 10.4% Talbot and 2.3% “other”

  196. CaptainObvious says:

    Anyone thinks that they want Eberle back should be watching the Wiinnipeg Minny game.

    What Old is New Again. OLD TIME HOCKEY!

  197. Alpine says:

    I’m of the opinion that the proclaimation of the Oilers being a Cup favourite was very optimistic, as I have no idea where people thought the improvement was gonna come from. They downgraded the forward group, they didn’t fill Sekera’s absence nor could they rely on him playing to previous levels due to injury recovery time. Thus the D wasn’t improved and should have been expected to be worse than last year if Auvitu/Gryba were playing instead of Sekera.

    Was Caggiula really gonna hit 40+ points? Ditto Slepyshev? What about Strome hitting 50? Klefbom 45-50? Larsson 30? Was Lucic really gonna turn back the clock? Maroon not hit a shooting % regression? I think the only real improvement they could count on was Nuge scoring at pre-McLellan era levels and Nurse turning into a top four D. Those things happened, but predictably the others ran in place and some even regressed.

    I think a normal projection was the Oilers squeaking into the playoffs and maybe winning a round or two. Neither the Ducks or Preds got worse and I think the Oilers upon making it that far would have been in tough to beat either.

  198. leadfarmer says:

    CaptainObvious:
    Game over in Pittsburgh.

    Malkin doing his best Leon Draisaitl impression from 2016-17 playoffs.

    Philidelphia with Goaltender Problem…..

    Philadelphia with goaltending problem

    The post could really be used every year since Hextall retired

  199. Georges says:

    Alpine:
    I’m of the opinion that the proclaimation of the Oilers being a Cup favourite was very optimistic, as I have no idea where people thought the improvement was gonna come from. They downgraded the forward group, they didn’t fill Sekera’s absence nor could they rely on him playing to previous levels due to injury recovery time. Thus the D wasn’t improved and should have been expected to be worse than last year if Auvitu/Gryba were playing instead of Sekera.

    Was Caggiula really gonna hit 40+ points? Ditto Slepyshev? What about Strome hitting 50? Klefbom 45-50? Larsson 30? Was Lucic really gonna turn back the clock? Maroon not hit a shooting % regression? I think the only real improvement they could count on was Nuge scoring at pre-McLellan era levels and Nurse turning into a top four D. Those things happened, but predictably the others ran in place and some even regressed.

    I think a normal projection was the Oilers squeaking into the playoffs and maybe winning a round or two. Neither the Ducks or Preds got worse and I think the Oilers upon making it that far would have been in tough to beat either.

    All of that to go on, and yet…

    – the lowest regular season finish nhl.com staff predicted for the Oilers was 3rd in the Pacific, ie. they all had them comfortably making the playoffs. I think there are 16 writers on there. Just 4 had the Oilers making the Finals, though

    – 7 out of 16 sportsnet insiders had them making the Finals, The next most popular pick was ANA; they had 4 votes:

    – the analytics types at sportsnet had EDM winning the WC:

    – the sporting news also had the Oilers winning the WC

    – and summer time Vegas odds for winning the Cup via ESPN had the Oilers’ odds just behind PIT:

    Optimism run amok…

    (Google “nhl 2017-18 predictions”; LT’s software doesn’t like my links.)

  200. hunter1909 says:

    Alpine: I have no idea where people thought the improvement was gonna come from. They downgraded the forward group, they didn’t fill Sekera’s absence nor could they rely on him playing to previous levels due to injury recovery time. Thus the D wasn’t improved and should have been expected to be worse than last year if Auvitu/Gryba were playing instead of Sekera.
    Was Caggiula really gonna hit 40+ points? Ditto Slepyshev? What about Strome hitting 50? Klefbom 45-50? Larsson 30? Was Lucic really gonna turn back the clock? Maroon not hit a shooting % regression? I think the only real improvement they could count on was Nuge scoring at pre-McLellan era levels and Nurse turning into a top four D. Those things happened, but predictably the others ran in place and some even regressed.

    All 100% thanks to Chiarelli’s fucking with a pencil instead of forming a championship team with the greatest living player in hockey.

    Simply check out 12 months ago, when the bald headed buffoon told the press he had no expectations of Oilers going anywhere in the playoffs, prior to them and didn’t worry about trying to improve them at the 2017 trade deadline…immediately followed by gutting the 2017 post-playoff team by about a dozen moves several which are mentioned above.

    THIS is the dude charged to win the Stanley Cup?

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