Bruised Orange

This is important stuff. The 50-man list is like a photograph, it’s a moment frozen in time. We all have our opinions and biases and lord knows framing issues should be an Olympic sport by now if you bunch reflect society as a whole. The 50-man list from a specific time and place never changes, it looks back at you from the distance of time and re-tells its own story. Photographs and memories. (Photo by Rob Ferguson).

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50-MAN THE DAY CHIARELLI TOOK OVER

  • Chiarelli knew he’d be getting Connor McDavid on draft day, so the center position was going to be a monster.
  • Defense was a major issue, with the veterans unable to play the difficult minutes. That forced youngsters like Justin Schultz into prominent roles and those young players lost confidence and performed poorly after a time. The general manager needed to address those problems, or the Justin Schultz issue would become an issue for all the other young blue coming down the pipe. Nikitin, Ference and Fayne had been productive NHL players but could not neutralize the NHL’s top forwards.
  • The wingers look good but there isn’t a lot of depth past Hall, Pouliot, Eberle and Purcell.
  • Foot speed was an issue.
  • Ben Scrivens didn’t work out, but even if he had, the team badly needed to improve the goalie depth chart.
  • Balance was nowhere to be found.

CURRENT 50-MAN LIST

  • We don’t have the RFA and UFA so it’s difficult to project the roster quality. I’ll add them in our next slide.

PROJECTED 50-MAN FOR THE FALL 

  • My list of needs is (in order) scoring right-wing, backup goalie (substantial) and if there’s room a two-way forward who can help out on special teams. In  a perfect world, Mike Hoffman would come over, play with 97, and Nuge-Draisaitl would form the second line.
  • The Oilers list of needs (in order, via Bob Stauffer) are right-defense, scoring winger, depth forward who can help on special teams, backup goalie. They are going to overpay for the defenseman, create a big hole elsewhere, and get less than 100 cents on the dollar.
  • The Oilers need money. Andrej Sekera buyout information is here. I think it’s an option.
  • I don’t think the Oilers need to bring in a RHD but if they do, hope for a young player with years under control.
  • Jesse Puljujarvi is vulnerable here. Pretty sure.

PUFF OF SMOKE

I understand the idea of parsing words, in fact that’s a big part of what we all do as fans and observers of any sports team. I will tell you, in my 38 years of broadcast experience, the idea that the rights holder’s ‘insider’ tips off the fans of an impending release of the general manager is unlikely. Bob is a pro, he isn’t going to get ahead of a massive change in management even if he has knowledge. I’m not trying to protect Bob here (he doesn’t need my help), but if you think about it, whatever well he goes to would dry up in a quick damned hurry if he conducted business this way. On the other hand, if the general manager is staying put, then dropping that as a hint would be very dangerous for the insider. Bob isn’t a fool. For me, the ‘puff of smoke’ comment was at the end of the show and was probably meant as “we’ll see what tomorrow brings”.

WHAT IS GOING ON?

As of this writing, we haven’t received a head’s up for a media avail. That means the Oilers are flying through the 10am opening. Could be noon, 1, 2, 3pm today, or it could be tomorrow. Until this morning, I think a normal human could cobble together a reasonable explanation. Season ends Saturday, McLellan off to Saskatchewan on Sunday and holds his media avail on Monday. The delay (no Sunday window) in discussions means that yesterday (and possibly today) are spent making decisions on assistant coaches, et cetera.

To my mind, if Peter Chiarelli was going to be fired it would have happened by now. Reasons for the delay include the sublime to the ridiculous:

  • Exit interviews and assessment are taking longer this year.
  • Bob Nicholson is leaving and the organization wants to have their ducks in a row before the avail.
  • There has been a coup d’etat involving the Boys on the Bus and we’re going to see more prominent Gretzky’s.
  • Todd McLellan balked at the coaching cuts imposed on him and spent the night contemplating his future.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A fluid schedule, as we’re uncertain of that media avail. Scheduled to appear:

  • 10:20 Bruce McCurdy, Cult of Hockey at the Edmonton Journal. We’ll chat about the Oilers situation and what may come.
  • 10:40 Sam Werner, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. The Penguins could become a modern dynasty with a third Stanley Cup in a row.
  • 11:05 James Mirtle, The Athletic. The Toronto-Boston series is about to send a thunderclap across this nation. Love or hate watch, this is damned compelling.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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  1. hunter1909 says:

    Anyone still think Pittsburgh isn’t primed to repeat?

    ps: With Justin Schultz!!

  2. Rondo says:

    Joel Eriksson Ek looks like a player.

  3. Younger Oil says:

    I love the intensity of playoff hockey, but honestly can’t get over how the game is not even remotely officiated according to the rulebook.

    When there is a play that is a penalty under the rulebook happening every 30 seconds, and the referees pick and choose 3 or 4 depending on the momentum of the game, it makes the sport feel so much less real, in my opinion at least.

  4. Younger Oil says:

    Dumba with nearly 30 minutes tonight.

    I wonder how the Oilers would be if they made the rumored Nuge for Dumba trade instead of Hall for Larsson.

  5. Munny says:

    Jets win their first playoff game in franchise history.

    Pouzar will be pleased!

    And by Pouzar I mean the Padre lurking in his kitchen.

  6. hunter1909 says:

    Jets v Leafs final?

  7. hunter1909 says:

    Ehlers reminds me of what Eberle failed to develop into.

  8. Munny says:

    Younger Oil,

    I wonder what the Oilers would be like if they hadn’t ruined Doobie.

    That one bugs me more than the Petry trade.

  9. Munny says:

    hunter1909:
    Ehlers reminds me of what Eberle failed to develop into.

    With like rockets added.

  10. Wilde says:

    That bit Chiarelli said about all but 2-3 players underperforming… doesn’t sound quite right.

    Might be a fun deep dive to see how many players were actually at career levels.

  11. frjohnk says:

    Munny:
    Jets win their first playoff game in franchise history.

    Pouzar will be pleased!

    And by Pouzar I mean the Padre lurking in his kitchen.

    Converting Pouzar to the Jets is like giving a cat a bath.

  12. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    hunter1909:
    Ehlers reminds me of what Eberle failed to develop into.

    33rd most prolific goal scorer over the last 5 years “failed to develop”

    Jesus Christ.

    Oiler Fans: Hating players for what they are not instead of liking them for what they are since 1972.

    Some Oiler Fans Deserve the Oilers

  13. Wilde says:

    Wilde,

    Ah, I just realised it’ll be mostly powerplay downtrends, which could be partly coaching-based, but Chiarelli already addressed that by blaming it on execution.

    Damn, this hockey analysis is easy when you can just blame the players.

  14. Harpers Hair says:

    Woodguy v2.0: 33rd most prolific goal scorer over the last 5 years “failed to develop”

    Jesus Christ.

    Oiler Fans: Hating players for what they are not instead of liking them for what they are since 1972.

    Some Oiler Fans Deserve the Oilers

    The Oilers could easily have Eberle, Hall, Petry, Schultz and Barzal in their lineup by doing absolutely nothing but the obvious.

  15. hunter1909 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: 33rd most prolific goal scorer over the last 5 years “failed to develop”

    Jesus Christ.

    Oiler Fans: Hating players for what they are not instead of liking them for what they are since 1972.

    Some Oiler Fans Deserve the Oilers

    Poor Woodguy. Toiling under some mysterious situation.

    Eberle was advertised as a future team Canada stalwart. Not a 60 point travelling 2018 version of Rick Vaive.

  16. Younger Oil says:

    hunter1909: Poor Woodguy. Toiling under some mysterious situation.

    Eberle was advertised as a future team Canada stalwart. Not a 60 point travelling 2018 version of Rick Vaive.

    The only players from drafted from 20-30 overall from 2004-present that have had a better PPG than Eberle are Giroux, Kuznetzov, Pastranak, and Boeser.

    You can’t reasonably expect much better than that.

  17. hunter1909 says:

    Younger Oil: The only players from drafted from 20-30 overall from 2004-present that have had a better PPG than Eberle are Giroux, Kuznetzov, Pastranak, and Boeser.

    You can’t reasonably expect much better than that.

    Nice split arguing. Taking a tiny sample to “prove” something, I like it a lot.

    I’m trying to discuss a player who had every indication of growing into a Team Canada regular.

    Btw, enjoy your golfing Oilers.

  18. Younger Oil says:

    hunter1909: Nice split arguing. Taking a tiny sample to “prove” something, I like it a lot.

    I’m trying to discuss a player who had every indication of growing into a Team Canada regular.

    Btw, enjoy your golfing Oilers.

    5th best of a sample of 140 players in a comparable draft range in the modern era is hardly a tiny sample.

    Criticizing a 22nd overall pick for not being one of the Top 4 right wingers in the nation is hardly a fair bar to have.

  19. --hudson-- says:

    Younger Oil:
    Dumba with nearly 30 minutes tonight.

    I wonder how the Oilers would be if they made the rumored Nuge for Dumba trade instead of Hall for Larsson.

    His decision making has really improved, doubt you could trade Nuge for him now.

    Hopefully Nurse can develop along the same lines, although he’ll never have the same level of offence. Could we trade Nurse for Dumba and say Ennis to help their cap situation?

  20. --hudson-- says:

    hunter1909: Nice split arguing. Taking a tiny sample to “prove” something, I like it a lot.

    I’m trying to discuss a player who had every indication of growing into a Team Canada regular.

    Btw, enjoy your golfing Oilers.

    Hey Ryan Rishaug, hope you had a nice vacation 🙂

  21. hunter1909 says:

    Ecstatic seeing you Oiler fans(the true ones) defending a player who no longer even helps the Oilers.

    Meanwhile, blaming me for daring to doubt in the veracity of this lost player.

    And btw, Eberle was tracking to be VERY GOOD a few seasons back. I was a huge fan. So all of you, please, stfu.

    Because you’re pathetic.

    : p

  22. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    hunter1909:
    Anyone still think Pittsburgh isn’t primed to repeat?

    ps: With Justin Schultz!!

    No 3peat. Wanna bet?

  23. flyfish1168 says:

    I wonder if Jordan will go over to play for team Canada. Wouldn’t it be nice if he Connor and Ryan are put together to form the 1st line?

  24. Ribs says:

    Sheeet man… Taylor Hall couldn’t even get on to Team Canada. How the hell was Eberle gonna get there?

  25. frjohnk says:

    flyfish1168:
    I wonder if Jordan will go over to play for team Canada. Wouldn’t it be nice if he Connor and Ryan are put together to form the 1st line?

    Just heard that Connors insurance for worlds is $160k.

    Most guys are anywhere from 5 to 20 grand

  26. hunter1909 says:

    The “great” Eberle 77th in NHL scoring.

    Dare to say this and risk the wrath of the fanatics.

    Taylor Hall on the other hand is a Hart candidate and I’ll be screaming for him in the playoffs lol

  27. hunter1909 says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): No 3peat. Wanna bet?

    Oh no. I’m no Pens fan.

    More bandwagon Preds, Jets, Leafs, and Vegas lol

  28. Glass says:

    Younger Oil,

    What absolutely annoys me about this is that people didn’t want to trade for Dumba when he wasn’t this player yet. They thought it was disgusting even to contemplate it. Wait to see the player that Dumba is becoming and it’s like ‘he has too high value now’.

    Just baffles me.

  29. godot10 says:

    russ99: Disagree, Connor and Nuge are passers, and lots of qualitypasses ended up not getting good quality shots when they played together, and lots of Connor’s feeds would be in the net with a quality shooter.Connor shoots best when he carries it in, is a worse shooter on the cycle. Also, a weakness of Nuge is puck retrieval on the wall, so we’re going to have less sorties with multiple shots.

    Plus if we had Connor and a shooter occupying the defense, that could give a huge opportunity for Puljujarvi or Yamamoto to trail on the play and get good open looks.

    This is incorrect.

    McDavid started filling the next once he started playing with Nugent-Hopkins. Nugent-Hopkins started scoring and assisting at a greater rate than he ever has in the NHL once he was put on wing with McDavid.

    Rattie is a poor stop gap for that line. He is not remotely good enough in his own zone. (I would still offer him a contract). One needs an actual NHL winger, preferably another complete player, like Nuge….say Tobias Rieder, or alternatively, a strong speedy wing who can forecheck and cycle with a decent shot. (I’d try seeing if Calgary would bite on Russell for Lazar.) Because of Lucic, the option can’t be an expensive one.

    Such a line will get 100 goals without a one dimensional one-shot scorer. A one-shot scorer would be more useful on a Draisaitl line.

    Hoffman would be a far poorer option for McDavid than Nugent-Hopkins.

  30. Younger Oil says:

    hunter1909:
    The “great” Eberle 77th in NHL scoring.

    Dare to say this and risk the wrath of the fanatics.

    Taylor Hall on the other hand is a Hart candidate and I’ll be screaming for him in the playoffs lol

    What you just described is 1st line production.

    That’s incredible value for a 22nd overall pick.

    Don’t get me wrong, the Oilers are full of problems, and Eberle trailed off at the end of his Oiler career (mostly due to injury), but there would be so many better dead horses to beat than this one. Eberle is a very capable NHL player, not the best, not the worst, but it’s hard to argue he wasn’t a great draft pick, and has performed above what was expected on draft day.

  31. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Glass:
    Younger Oil,

    What absolutely annoys me about this is that people didn’t want to trade for Dumba when he wasn’t this player yet. They thought it was disgusting even to contemplate it. Wait to see the player that Dumba is becoming and it’s like ‘he has too high value now’.

    Just baffles me.

    People did not want to trade

    Nuge for Ryan Ellis
    Nuge for Seth Jones
    Yak for Adam Larsson

    because the D weren’t proven yet

    failing to grasp that if they do prove themselves you are not getting them without a gross overpay.

    Chia tried to do this, but he picked a minor league prospect and paid young NHL D prices for the prospect Grave error the second it was made, and baffling talent evaluation, given that his skating was an issue even in Bridgeport and this was known.

  32. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Harpers Hair: Harper

    And not McDavid.

    What happens from this moment forward matters. The past is what it is. And the league is like water – teams ebb and flow.

    The question is who can make the most of their situation year to year. Because cap.

  33. hunter1909 says:

    Younger Oil: What you just described is 1st line production.

    That’s incredible value for a 22nd overall pick.

    Don’t get me wrong, the Oilers are full of problems, and Eberle trailed off at the end of his Oiler career (mostly due to injury), but there would be so many better dead horses to beat than this one. Eberle is a very capable NHL player, not the best, not the worst, but it’s hard to argue he wasn’t a great draft pick, and has performed above what was expected on draft day.

    Oiler semantics!

    He was traded away for peanuts!

  34. godot10 says:

    Wayne Kenov: It depends on whether or not you consider Caggiula a top 6 winger.

    In the AHL, his is a top six winger.

  35. Lowetide says:

    Glass:
    Younger Oil,

    What absolutely annoys me about this is that people didn’t want to trade for Dumba when he wasn’t this player yet. They thought it was disgusting even to contemplate it. Wait to see the player that Dumba is becoming and it’s like ‘he has too high value now’.

    Just baffles me.

    People didn’t want to trade Nuge for Dumba. That’s not the same thing.

  36. hunter1909 says:

    Not wanting to be a troll.

    I’ll see you all again next October.

  37. Confused says:

    Condors are gone. Marody with his first point, Vesel second goal.

    Anyone see the game?

    Are we signing Day?

    Think are a down to 4 prospects.

  38. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    EDM 13 0 2 2 -6 2 0 1 0 0 0 0 22 0 60

    ouch.

  39. blackadder says:

    Confused,

    Is it unusual that over half the players dressed for the Condors tonight were never drafted?

  40. Wilde says:

    hunter1909:
    Not wanting to be a troll. .

    [citation needed]

  41. OmJo says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): People did not want to trade

    Nuge for Ryan Ellis
    Nuge for Seth Jones
    Yak for Adam Larsson

    because the D weren’t proven yet

    failing to grasp that if they do prove themselves you are not getting them without a gross overpay.

    Chia tried to do this, but he picked a minor league prospect and paid young NHL D prices for the prospect Grave error the second it was made, and baffling talent evaluation, given that his skating was an issue even in Bridgeport and this was known.

    People also didn’t want to trade Nuge because our C depth was Nuge. Like… Just Nuge. With nobody in the system even close to his skillset. Then Sam Gagner is your defacto 1C.

    Our D depth was better than our C depth at the time. Note, this doesn’t mean our D depth was good. It was just less bad than the C depth.

  42. Wilde says:

    godot10,

    I agree with most of this, especially with the two-way guy rounding out the line except

    – 97 definitely started shooting hot a little bit before 93 got there

    – Lazar is Caggiula

    But, yeah. Nuge and McDavid is ridiculous. It’s a 5 goal an hour line shooting 15%. The shot volume is lower than 97 average, but the HDCF/60 is higher’, so I don’t even think it’s entirely unsustainable. Could easily run at 12% for a whole season.

    In which case, if they get a strong defensive RW and tighten up the chances against, it’ll be at worst the 2nd best line in the league next to Bergeron’s.

    For less money, if the solution ends up being Pulnu, Yamamoto or a Rieder-bracket FA.

    Fun fact, 98 pulls down all of McDavids shots/chances/goals *against* rate. If that’s not entirely usage/deployment based(small OZS push is all I can tell) then the math says try it.

    As in, before the season is over.

  43. OmJo says:

    hunter1909:
    The “great” Eberle 77th in NHL scoring.

    Dare to say this and risk the wrath of the fanatics.

    Taylor Hall on the other hand is a Hart candidate and I’ll be screaming for him in the playoffs lol

    Eberle is top 20 in RW scoring (NHL dot com has him listed as a C for some reason).

    That’s pretty good company. He’s offensively one of the best RW in the league.

    Of course Taylor Hall was 1st in LW scoring. Beast year by #4 – er, #9.

    Damn you, Chiarelli. Damn you forever.

  44. RonnieB says:

    –hudson–: His decision making has really improved, doubt you could trade Nuge for him now.

    Hopefully Nurse can develop along the same lines, although he’ll never have the same level of offence.Could we trade Nurse for Dumba and say Ennis to help their cap situation?

    The Oilers should envy Minnesota’s Cap situation. Edmonton is the team that needs help there.

    Using a $75 million limit since we don’t know the actual limit for next year yet, Minnesota has 20 out of 23 roster spots signed for next year with $8.949 of cap space to fill the other 3 spots.
    Edmonton has 14 of 23 roster spots signed for next year with $13.4 million to fill the other 9 spots.
    The Oilers are no longer in a position to take advantage of another team’s cap situation.

  45. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    OmJo: People also didn’t want to trade Nuge because our C depth was Nuge. Like…Just Nuge. With nobody in the system even close to his skillset. Then Sam Gagner is your defacto 1C.

    Our D depth was better than our C depth at the time. Note, this doesn’t mean our D depth was good. It was just less bad than the C depth.

    Yes, but Yak for Larsson was a wing for a D.

    At the time of the Nuge for Jones debate the Oilers had Draisaitl and McDavid.

    Right D was still a glaring need.

    I am not here to relitigate all that, just here to point out that as fans we overvalue our players often, and have learned, painfully so, what it costs to acquire bonafide Right D.

  46. Wayne Kenov says:

    Just thinking how it would be funny if Jersey did Hall for Karlsson or OEL.

  47. JimmyV1965 says:

    hunter1909:
    Not wanting to be a troll.

    I’ll see you all again next October.

    I wouldn’t worry about it too much Hunter. You stated an opinion and some people strongly disagreed with you. For the record, I don’t agree with you either. I’m a big Eberle guy, but a reasonable person would have to agree that he’s less than the sum of his point totals.

    You’re not going to change people’s minds, but sometimes it’s best to agree to disagree, even sometimes when you know you’re right. I got ripped pretty badly a few months back when I said Jordan Oesterle and Martin Marincin were fringe NHL players. People trotted out stats etc to show how wrong I was. All I could do was say let’s see if they’re in the league two years from now.

    You bring a lot a value to this site Hunter and I would hate to see you gone until October. These little spats mean nothing in the long run. In the end, all of our opinions are meaningless, but I enjoy reading yours, even if I don’t agree with them.

  48. deardylan says:

    Is Toronto still crying over Chris Bosh or Phil Kessel?

    Eberle discussion triggered this saying about whether you are fighting for him or against him being traded….

    1681, from England’s Improvement by Sea and Land, by Andrew Yarranton, an engineer and industrialist: “Sir, there is no crying for shed milk, that which is past cannot be recall’d.”

    What about crying over Chris Bosh or Phil Kessel ?

    “Raptors near 60 wins!

    Here they are, five years later, and these are the good times.

    The Toronto Raptors lost 60 games the year after Chris Bosh left, back when Andrea Bargnani was their leading scorer, and DeMar DeRozan was 21 years old. The next year they hired Dwane Casey; the next year they traded for Kyle Lowry; the next year they hired Masai Ujiri.

    The culture change after the existential questions regarding this team’s core of DeRozan and Lowry and Casey, the fusing together of old and new, the consistent effort and competitiveness, they’ve been great. It’s the best basketball team Toronto has ever seen.”

    https://www.thestar.com/sports/raptors/opinion/2018/04/11/savour-these-raptors-before-you-start-worrying-about-them.html

  49. hunter1909 says:

    New GM Keith Gretzky’s first trade:

    To Oilers:

    That EK dude from the Senators, signed at not too much over 8 million for 5 or more seasons…

    To Senators:

    JP
    1st round pick 2018
    Russell
    Klefbom

    Explain to EK how much he’s going to like playing for the rest of this prime with the best player in the world to help him become an all time genius player, winning cups and all it’s going to cost him is money he’s never going to miss.

    If for any reason the EK people balk, no sweat – new GM Keith Gretzky picks up the phone and calls his friends in Arizona. Or St. Louis who are desperate after blowing another season where they started out like cup faves, lol

    PS: But what about Chiarelli? He continues to grace Katz’s whirlwind Hollywood new lifestyle of parties like usual, since it’s patently obvious he’s not spending any time in Edmonton.

  50. flyfish1168 says:

    frjohnk: Just heard that Connors insurance for worlds is $160k.

    Most guys are anywhere from 5 to 20 grand

    wow that is more than most people make in a year

  51. OriginalPouzar says:

    hunter1909:
    New GM Keith Gretzky’s first trade:

    To Oilers:

    That EK dude from the Senators, signed at not too much over 8 million for 5 or more seasons…

    To Senators:

    JP
    1st round pick 2018
    Russell
    Klefbom

    Explain to EK how much he’s going to like playing for the rest of this prime with the best player in the world to help him become an all time genius player, winning cups and all it’s going to cost him is money he’s never going to miss.

    If for any reason the EK people balk, no sweat – new GM Keith Gretzky picks up the phone and calls his friends in Arizona. Or St. Louis who are desperate after blowing another season where they started out like cup faves, lol

    PS: But what about Chiarelli? He continues to grace Katz’s whirlwind Hollywood new lifestyle of parties like usual, since it’s patently obvious he’s not spending any time in Edmonton.

    1) I believe you are about $4M short on the yearly amount for the EK extension and a full 3 years short on term

    2) EK can’t be signed to that extension until July 1, after the 2018 draft and the pick is no longer there (it would be a player though)

    3) Not sure the Sens want to take back $8M of cap plus likely $3M plus for JP after this coming season – granted that’s over 3 players.

  52. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    hunter1909: Poor Woodguy. Toiling under some mysterious situation.

    Eberle was advertised as a future team Canada stalwart. Not a 60 point travelling 2018 version of Rick Vaive.

    Poor Hunter.

    Doesn’t understand what expectations of a player picked 22nd overall are.

    Calls the guy picked 22nd in the 2008 draft and has the 3rd most points of anyone in that draft (behind only Stamkos and Karlsson) a failure.

    Creates some fantastical bar for the player to reach in his mind and calls him a failure for failing to reach it.

    Some Oiler Fans Deserve the Oilers.

  53. HT Joe says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): I am not here to relitigate all that, just here to point out that as fans we overvalue our players often, and have learned, painfully so, what it costs to acquire bonafide Right D.

    Yes, we all learned that it takes a top-10 scoring player in the league to get a really good 2nd pairing RHD. And it takes a 1st and a 2nd to get an AHL RHD. Or that it takes a 2nd and a 5th to get a 2nd pairing RHD? Or that it takes a 3rd round pick to get a 2nd pairing sheltered but PP-specialist RHD?

    Nevermind… I have no clue what it costs to acquire RHD.

  54. hunter1909 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Poor Hunter.

    Doesn’t understand what expectations of a player picked 22nd overall are.

    Calls the guy picked 22nd in the 2008 draft and has the 3rd most points of anyone in that draft (behind only Stamkos and Karlsson) a failure.

    Creates some fantastical bar for the player to reach in his mind and calls him a failure for failing to reach it.

    Some Oiler Fans Deserve the Oilers.

    Some Oiler Fans take this crap too seriously.

  55. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    HT Joe: Yes, we all learned that it takes a top-10 scoring player in the league to get a really good 2nd pairing RHD.And it takes a 1st and a 2nd to get an AHL RHD.Or that it takes a 2nd and a 5th to get a 2nd pairing RHD?Or that it takes a 3rd round pick to get a 2nd pairing sheltered but PP-specialist RHD?

    Nevermind… I have no clue what it costs to acquire RHD.

    Reinhart is a LHD. Makes that one that much worse.

  56. godot10 says:

    RonnieB: The Oilers should envy Minnesota’s Cap situation. Edmonton is the team that needs help there.

    Using a $75 million limit since we don’t know the actual limit for next year yet, Minnesota has 20 out of 23 roster spots signed for next year with $8.949 of cap space to fill the other 3 spots.
    Edmonton has 14 of 23 roster spots signed for next year with $13.4 million to fill the other 9 spots.
    The Oilers are no longer in a position to take advantage of another team’s cap situation.

    Except two guys who have to be signed are Dumba and Zucker, and combined they will take more than the $9 million of the available space.

    Dumba, like Nurse, is also a candidate for an offer sheet.

  57. HT Joe says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): Reinhart is a LHD. Makes that one that much worse.

    Oh man… ha! Thanks for the correction.

  58. Munny says:

    If after ten years of this y’all don’t understand Hunter’s schtick by now, I have to agree with him… you take yourselves and the hockey far too seriously.

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