Blame it on Cain

Peter Chiarelli held his postseason media avail yesterday. It was an unusual Q and A, I came away thinking he is convinced the players and coaches were the problem last year. Full stop. The frank approach to the questions was refreshing but I’m not sure it presented the general manager in a good light. “I’m trying to be accountable here” is one quote I’ll remember, especially framed against “subpar” players and coaches who “didn’t perform.” It was a Teflon Pete avail, almost like his answers might be used against him in an upcoming evaluation. Strange strange press conference. As for the Oilers summer: Expect change in coaching, but the usual: Assistant coaches, men on expiring deals, the Mandelbaums, maybe they’ll fire Morey Gare again.

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A nice pass by the new guy to the other new guy for the Condors only goal last night. Mike Griffith from Bakersfield.com has details, Marody centered Vesel and Dave Gust to form an all college line. The team plays again tonight in San Jose.

JESSE PULJUJARVI

Chiarelli had some encouraging words about Jesse Puljujarvi, saying he played a cleaner game upon return. He correctly identified JP as being a dangerous player upon recall, and then the air went out of his tires later on. He’s 19. Patience. As I’ve said many times, the only question about Jesse Puljujarvi surrounds his future role as a mature NHL player. He might be a 35-goal power forward or a tough two-way winger who can score 20 a year.

I have three comparables for JP’s second year, they are above. The late-season dive in production hurt Puljujarvi’s numbers but I think you can make a case that the Oilers man can hang with this group. For the first 33 games of his season (about halfway), JP’s 5×5 60 scoring number was 1.82, he was 33, 8-5-13 at that time.

Puljujarvi’s time with Ryan Strome (236 minutes) was good in possession (50.32 Corsi for 5×5) less so in production (1.27 5×5 per 60). It is vital for one of Connor McDavid or Leon Draisaitl to help bring this young man along. JP spent 252 minutes with 97 (1.91 5×5 60 scoring) and 99 minutes with Draisaitl (2.5 5×5 60 scoring) this season. Whatever the eyes are telling the coaching staff, math is screaming the opposite. Kid can play.

Quick thoughts on the avail

I was driving for the entire press conference, so didn’t pick up any visual cues. Based on what I heard:

  • Chiarelli seemed at times defensive, other times to deflect. Whatever he feels about his role in this team’s lack of success, there was no coming to Jesus moment. Irksome for fans, perhaps instructive for those being evaluated by PC (mirror his behavior, Todd! Blame the ice).
  • He defended Lucic. No surprise. Any general manager who agreed to that contract with a player he knows is going to do the same. I read lots of rage tweets about this area, remember when a GM signs a guy he is “his guy” and that doesn’t change. I do think he’d trade Lucic if he could, but isn’t going to tell us.
  • The pace versus speed thing is (imo) a talking point. Edmonton has forwards who can’t get to the play on time, that’s a fact. Too many of those players. I did like his comment about breakouts, this team has ridiculous skill, get the damned puck to 97.
  • He’s going to replace one of the assistant coaches, maybe two of them.
  • I have time for his point about forwards growing into roles, think we saw that with Puljujarvi and others. However, his point about getting enough offense from his group of forwards is questionable. Edmonton’s 5×5 scoring was mid-pack but ignores the power play. Returning this group would be negligence.
  • The “I’m trying to be accountable here, but…” line is one I think Chiarelli will grow to regret. Todd McLellan took responsibility. Unless I missed it, PC did not.
  • Looks like a substantial goalie is coming in to play behind Cam Talbot. I’m well pleased.
  • Not blowing up the team is wise, pleased about the Nuge words. I’m not thrilled with trading the first-round pick, but options are limited and it is the most agreeable (Nuge, Klefbom, JP) asset out.
  • The comment from players about lack of commitment was important, I believe. For me, the special teams issues were at least partly due to not buying in, especially the penalty kill. Acknowledgement is a key element in turning things around.
  • I liked the words on Puljujarvi, looks like Rattie is coming back and as I said yesterday there’s a chance Andrej Sekera gets bought out or traded.

Overall, a surprisingly (and unnecessarily) defensive media avail for Peter Chiarelli. He’s a Harvard man and I went to the Columbia School of Broadcasting, so offering advice from my end is kind of silly. I will say that my knowledge of this city and its doings allows me to say that more media avails during the season would do Peter Chiarelli well. People don’t see him during the bad times, don’t see him acknowledge his own role in this past season, well, let’s just say there’s a way we do things out west and Todd McLellan knows them.

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  1. frjohnk says:

    I dont think Chia scored any points with his media avail.
    I do think Todd did in his.

    Regardless, the leashes will be short with both of them.

  2. McSorley33 says:

    I am cognizant of executive turnover.

    But, how many alarm bells have to go off before something is done with PC?

    Oilers: Please don’t embarrass us by firing – just -the assistant coaches.

    If you are going to make a change. Make a change.

  3. Confused says:

    I think trading the first was a throwaway remark. We are open to it but only for outstanding value.

    Skinner getting it done again last night, our only real goalie prospect.

    Condors crashed, but nice to see actual prospects scoring, pipeline starting to fill.

  4. fifthcartel says:

    Agreed on Todd knowing his audience much better than Chiarelli. Todd’s seemed to hit most of the right stuff, while Chiarelli refused to accept almost any blame for this season. Every small bit of ownership was accompanied with “maybe” or “might”.

    Embarrassing and arrogant.

  5. hunter1909 says:

    Chiarelli’s lost this 3rd tier fan.

    He’s squandered his opportunity with timid, reactive moves that’s led the team straight back down into the sewer.

  6. Zack says:

    I think one of the big reasons we saw no coaching changes, what so ever during the season, was so Chiarelli had some scape goats.

    #Chiarelli’d

  7. flyfish1168 says:

    I was really hoping someone would have asked him how he was going to deal with the CAP situation and the NMC contracts. It would have been interesting to see him go down that road.

  8. hunter1909 says:

    fifthcartel: Embarrassing and arrogant.

    + Slimey

  9. flyfish1168 says:

    hunter1909: + Slimey

    + Smart man in the room.

  10. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Al Montoya.extra year at 1m for a 4th in a lost season when he was going to be on waivers; now looking for a better option.

    BecauseOilers.

  11. OilClog says:

    Todd’s media avail was just as awful, coaches job to have his players ready to perform and fully able to execute the game plan. Recognize players strengths and weaknesses and adjust accordingly, but hey he said he’d take a look in the mirror, so yippy ky yea

  12. Richard S.S. says:

    Very promising avail by Pete Chiarelli, I’m happy with his plan. Of course, those who hate may differ. Even the best Teams change Assistant Coaches often. Babcock did it yearly and he was in the Postseason yearly. Oilers scored more goals 5×5 than last year, but much less on the PP, and gave up more goals (PK and Goal). It’s easy to figure out what Chiarelli might do.

  13. anduril says:

    flyfish1168,

    flyfish1168:
    I was really hopingsomeone would have asked him how he was going to deal with the CAP situation and the NMC contracts. It would have been interesting to see him go down that road.

    Agreed.

  14. Woogie63 says:

    After watching PC now for a few years, my observations;

    Before change

    1. Answers question in generalities,
    2. Is looking at the same areas everyone is looking at,
    3. Basically benign

    After Change

    1. Stands answers all the questions

    Both are highly appropriate.
    We are at the before change stage

  15. Psyche says:

    LT I appreciate this line, “…let’s just say there’s a way we do things out west…”

    He needs to understand his audience. His past doesn’t inform him of this information (grew up and educated in upper middle class Eastern society) . If it’s a blind spot then someone close to him needs to let him know. He came across as defensive and in denial.

    There is a possibility he doesn’t care.

  16. sliderule says:

    This team is money conscious as being so far under the cap shows

    As a result both Tod and Chia stay as an uncomfortable partnership.

    The firings will be expiring or cheap contracts

    Window dressing for tier one fan renewals

  17. Louis Levasseur says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker),

    Agreed. Nobody seems to answer the question why we burnt a draft pick for Montoya, in a lost season, with one more year on his contract.

  18. Woogie63 says:

    anduril:
    flyfish1168,

    Agreed.

    Do you really see a cap issue in the medium term?

    2018 – $80M Vegas expansion money
    2019- $85M Seattle expansion money
    2021 – $90M new USA TV deal, transfers failing USA hockey team to Quebec City

    If the CND$ raises vs US$ the cap could at +$90M by 2021

  19. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Assistant coaches, men on expiring deals, the Mandelbaums, maybe they’ll fire Morey Gare again.

    “Same as it ever was, same as it ever was, same as it ever was, same as it ever was same as it ever was, same as it ever was, same as it ever was, same as it ever was” – Kevin Lowe

  20. tileguy says:

    Let’s hope somebody will keep an eye on Sekera during the worlds, in case we trade away our top D for pennies on the dollar.

  21. Oil2Oilers says:

    My take away from the ‘Jesse Puljujarvi’ section of the news conference was not as positive as LT’s.

    To paraphrase Woodguy from the last thread – The Edmonton Oilers, not accepting young players for who they are since 1972 –

    PC’ praised Puljujarvi’s handling, believing the young tall player was not tough enough for a man his size.Beyond this being fucking stupid, it does explain why during the very few PP minutes Puljujarvi was deployed in the Bumper or Net Front position rather than as a shooter. Again, fucking stupid, but they must of being trying to toughen him up! Put him on a goon line with Lucic too, that’ll teach him.

    This painful baseline stupidity does not fill me with hope for the future. As it is stuff believed by the people that hired PC and his current coaches. It will be believed by any replacements in either role in the future as well. Go Oilers

  22. VOR says:

    I listened to both avails and ended up feeling that:

    Todd is far more likeable than Peter
    That neither is very good at accepting responsibility for their own shortcomings but that Todd has a marginal edge
    Both blamed players as if they aren’t culpable for picking those players or helping them to focus and play their game while following the system
    That neither Todd or Peter said much while talking quite a bit
    That neither were smart enough to acknowledge the fan base, or how disappointing we found this season, or how stupid we think they are
    There was a lot of hubris and damn little humility and almost no humour
    There was also a bubbling under of players cheating, presumably for offence and of distractions at home
    In fact both men resorted to character assassination repeatedly
    There were times in both men’s answers where they seemed to be talking directly to Burger Bob or LA Katz

  23. Clarkenstein says:

    When Chia first came here I thought he carried himself in a manner that made him look confident, determined and smart. Now it’s apparent it was just old Ivy league arrogance. I’m smarter than you kind of B.S. You nailed it LT that he deflected the blame but the last straw was simply when he said he felt they got enough scoring out of the wingers!!!! Are you kidding me?? ARE YOU FCKING KIDDING ME???? If anybody thinks this guy is going to move the needle here then you are dreaming in technicolour my friend. Bob Nicholson you’re up.

  24. sliderule says:

    What do you think of resigning LB .Imprved play after sent down and save percentage of .911 .Cant have too many goalies.
    Maksimov with a sweet goal as ice dogs lost game 4
    Cooper Marody can sure pass the puck.Slows down after getting in zone and looks to make a play a la Ratelle

  25. pboy says:

    sliderule,

    You think Katz is hurting for money and that’s why they didn’t spend to the cap? Seriously?

  26. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – Locks in the top 9 next year: McD Drai RNH Strome Pool Lucic. That’s a strong foundation IMO

    – We need 3 guys at least, candidates include (in no particular order):
    1) Rattie
    2) Jar
    3) Caggs
    4) Kailer
    5) Cami
    6) New Guy(s)

    – My guess: Rattie, Jar, Cami (or similar), and one over-paid winger who we won’t like, and they try to finesse Kailer for a bunch of games, and they keep Caggs

    – We need a winger to go off with Drai assuming RNH-CMD stays, and they should play together at the Championships, so thats good. The rest is just fill..We are one complementary piece on the wing from scoring a lot IMO

    – Our PP should be deadly, and 3×3 deadly.

    – Sek: you see how he does at the Worlds as well before claiming him a buy-out: come on

  27. Cassandra says:

    Chiarelli’s tenure comes down to the Reinhart and Hall trades. Everything else is small potatoes.

    So if we are talking about taking responsibility in that context, the only thing he can do is admit he was wrong. But if he was wrong about those things he should obviously be fired. Therefore he cannot take responsibility.

    So he took the Kinger route by doubling down and suggesting that this year was the outlier and trusting in the comparative success of two years ago.

    What we should do is not fall for this bait and switch. Both years were failures. The problem wasn’t last offseason it was the two offseasons preceding it.

  28. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Richard S.S.,

    Very promising avail by Pete Chiarelli, I’m happy with his plan. Of course, those who hate may differ

    Yes, yes put everyone who disagrees with you in a box labeled “haters” so you don’t have to critically think about anything, defend your position or admit that a different opinion is valid.

    Just call them haters and slam the box lid shut!

    The best part is that your opinion is a minority opinion, a significant minority so 85% or so of the Oiler fans are haters.

    Hatehatehatehate.

  29. Woogie63 says:

    What do you expect the man to say?

    Year end avails use lots of words but say nothing for 30 of the 31 teams.

    No GM is going to get a specific as a fan would like.

    PC was as expected , Todd looked tired and not prepared (which he admitted)

  30. pboy says:

    Clarkenstein,

    If Nicholson is okay with Chia’s performance yesterday or during his time year, that tells us everything we need to know about NHL Bob Nicholson. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, this is on Darryl Katz and he has made it abundantly clear that the Edmonton Oilers building a first class hockey organization and playing winning hockey is not a priority to him.

  31. sliderule says:

    pboy:
    sliderule,

    You think Katz is hurting for money and that’s why they didn’t spend to the cap? Seriously?

    I have no idea why ,but they did not spend to the cap which makes me wonder if he needs money for a down payment on another house😄

  32. pboy says:

    Woogie63,

    It would have been safe for him to say that he didn’t provide the horses to his head coach and that he is going to make sure he does a better job of filling the roster with NHL players next year. That would show he understands the part he played in the team underperforming this season. Instead, he blamed the players and the coaches and took very little accountability for himself and his management team.

  33. pboy says:

    I don’t know why but I’m always amazed at how easy the MSM goes on Oiler’s management. So a backup goalie is needed for next year. Why did you trade a 4th for a player with term who underperformed? No one asked that. Puck moving RHD is a desperate need. Why did you make a trade for Reinhart, who was a LHD and not a puck mover? Why did you trade Taylor Hall for a d man who’s skill set didn’t fill that hole? How could you blow out prime assets and never even make an attempt to fill that spot? We have too many LHD. Why did you sign Kris Russell to a 4 x 4 with a NMC when you already have Sekera, Klefbom and Nurse?

    How is it possible those questions weren’t asked?

    Dennis said on Twitter that Edmonton is a hard place to play for players but nirvana for management. He’s bang on.

  34. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    sliderule,

    This team is money conscious as being so far under the cap shows

    Katz has spent to the cap in the past and EDM is now a top 5 NHL club for revenues via the building (others have more TV and merch revenues, but as far as $/game revenue from the building, they are top 5)

    I was also under the impression that Peter planned on spending most of the cap space as the deadline got closer.

    Since they were no where near a playoff spot, it didn’t get spent.

    Peter assuming that 2 Actual NHL top 4 Dmen + Nurse/Russell/Benning could get them to the playoffs is pretty damning.

  35. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Woogie63: Do you really see a cap issue in the medium term?

    2018 – $80M Vegas expansion money
    2019- $85M Seattle expansion money
    2021 – $90Mnew USA TV deal, transfers failing USA hockey team to Quebec City

    If the CND$ raises vs US$ the cap could at +$90M by 2021

    Expansion fees go to the owners and not to HRR, which determines the cap.

  36. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    tileguy:
    Let’s hope somebody will keep an eye on Sekera during the worlds, in case we trade away our top D for pennies on the dollar.

    or buy out a guy who can still play 2nd pair.

  37. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    VOR:
    I listened to both avails and ended up feeling that:

    Todd is far more likeable than Peter
    That neither is very good at accepting responsibility for their own shortcomings but that Todd has a marginal edge
    Both blamed players as if they aren’t culpable for picking those players or helping them to focus and play their game while following the system
    That neither Todd or Peter said much while talking quite a bit
    That neither were smart enough to acknowledge the fan base, or how disappointing we found this season, or how stupid we think they are
    There was a lot of hubris and damn little humility and almost no humour
    There was also a bubbling under of players cheating, presumably for offence and of distractions at home
    In fact both men resorted to character assassination repeatedly
    There were times in both men’s answers where they seemed to be talking directly to Burger Bob or LA Katz

    Nailed it.

  38. hunter1909 says:

    VOR:
    I listened to both avails and ended up feeling that:

    Todd is far more likeable than Peter
    That neither is very good at accepting responsibility for their own shortcomings but that Todd has a marginal edge
    Both blamed players as if they aren’t culpable for picking those players or helping them to focus and play their game while following the system
    That neither Todd or Peter said much while talking quite a bit
    That neither were smart enough to acknowledge the fan base, or how disappointing we found this season, or how stupid we think they are
    There was a lot of hubris and damn little humility and almost no humour
    There was also a bubbling under of players cheating, presumably for offence and of distractions at home
    In fact both men resorted to character assassination repeatedly
    There were times in both men’s answers where they seemed to be talking directly to Burger Bob or LA Katz

    These are a few of the reasons I’m planning to bail from this M.C. Escher style sports fan experience.

    I think I’ll start by not caring a fuck until I see more W’s than L’s.

  39. hunter1909 says:

    pboy: You think Katz is hurting for money and that’s why they didn’t spend to the cap? Seriously?

    I used to be in business with a guy who became one of the richest men in Vancouver. 100% self made. He was the cheapest human being I’ve ever encountered.

  40. hunter1909 says:

    Cassandra: So he took the Kinger route by doubling down and suggesting that this year was the outlier and trusting in the comparative success of two years ago.
    What we should do is not fall for this bait and switch. Both years were failures.

    Like I said. Slimey.

  41. hunter1909 says:

    pboy: I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, this is on Darryl Katz and he has made it abundantly clear that the Edmonton Oilers building a first class hockey organization and playing winning hockey is not a priority to him.

    Sure Katz wants a winning team. It’s just that he’s surrounded by fawning courtiers, and in the confusion things get a little sketchy at times.

  42. hunter1909 says:

    sliderule: I have no idea why ,but they did not spend to the cap which makes me wonder if he needs money for a down payment on another house

    He’d be better off investing in a giant sized needle. With an eye large enough to fit both himself and his camel.

  43. hunter1909 says:

    pboy: Instead, he blamed the players and the coaches and took very little accountability for himself and his management team.

    Slimey does as slimey says.

  44. hunter1909 says:

    pboy: How is it possible those questions weren’t asked?

    …and risk upsetting management?????

  45. pboy says:

    hunter1909,

    I think that’s it. Being a part of the team with Lowe, MacT, Coffey and Gretzky is more important than having a winning team. At least it seems that way.

    Which ’80s team will be feted next season?

  46. RENNAVATE says:

    From Spector on Twitter: “Oilers CEO Bob Nicholson to hold press conference in 90 minutes.”

  47. Bling says:

    One of the saddest things about this season is how badly JP was mishandled.

    33 games of 1.8 EV P/60 as a 19 year old (borderline 1st/2nd liner level btw). Responsible defensive game, and a lot of those points were primary points. He was scoring goals in the tough spots, hammering laser slappers and wristers from the circles.

    Then his play slips a bit. Okay, 4th line. Play 10 minutes a game, no PP. Then, you get a promotion to play with Strome and Lucic. You know, Milan Lucic, sub-replacement level LW who can’t keep up, though Pete “liked his skating.” Strome, meanwhile, hasn’t been an offensive producer worth a damn since his second season.

    I am so sick of this song and dance. If the player isn’t perfect (i.e. McDavid, Draisaitl division), the Oilers have absolutely no clue, and would rather berate and bring him down in the media than do the actual hard work of patiently helping him.

  48. Rondo says:

    RENNAVATE:
    From Spector on Twitter: “Oilers CEO Bob Nicholson to hold press conference in 90 minutes.”

    Can’t wait for the forensic analysis.

  49. Oil2Oilers says:

    VOR:
    I listened to both avails and ended up feeling that:

    Todd is far more likeable than Peter
    That neither is very good at accepting responsibility for their own shortcomings but that Todd has a marginal edge
    Both blamed players as if they aren’t culpable for picking those players or helping them to focus and play their game while following the system
    That neither Todd or Peter said much while talking quite a bit
    That neither were smart enough to acknowledge the fan base, or how disappointing we found this season, or how stupid we think they are
    There was a lot of hubris and damn little humility and almost no humour
    There was also a bubbling under of players cheating, presumably for offence and of distractions at home
    In fact both men resorted to character assassination repeatedly
    There were times in both men’s answers where they seemed to be talking directly to Burger Bob or LA Katz

    Agree with all of this. These media avails were hardly spur of the moment things either, it does not appear much thought or preparation went into them.

  50. Jethro Tull says:

    hunter1909: I think I’ll start by not caring a fuck until I see more W’s than L’s.

    Your first post says this, but your 90,000,000 (+/- 89,000,096) subsequent posts say different.

  51. Brantford Boy says:

    RENNAVATE:
    From Spector on Twitter: “Oilers CEO Bob Nicholson to hold press conference in 90 minutes.”

    From Spector on Twitter: “Make that in 2.5 hours. Apologies.”

  52. who says:

    Cassandra:
    Chiarelli’s tenure comes down to the Reinhart and Hall trades.Everything else is small potatoes.

    So if we are talking about taking responsibility in that context, the only thing he can do is admit he was wrong.But if he was wrong about those things he should obviously be fired.Therefore he cannot take responsibility.

    So he took the Kinger route by doubling down and suggesting that this year was the outlier and trusting in the comparative success of two years ago.

    What we should do is not fall for this bait and switch.Both years were failures.The problem wasn’t last offseason it was the two offseasons preceding it.

    Chia’s biggest failings are the Reinhart trade and the Lucic signing. Everything else is minor compared to those two things.
    I know you, AND THE MAJORITY OF OILERS FANS, hate the Hall trade but we did get a quality NHL player back with 1 more year of team control and 2 million in cap space.
    We got absolutely nothing for 16OV and 33OV. And the Lucic contract has killed any cap space we have for the next 5 years.
    If Chia had used the draft picks on Barzal or Connor or Chabot or ANYONE we wouldn’t be missing Hall so much. Still don’t know why he was so impatient so early into his tenure here. He wasn’t going to get fired if they missed the playoffs in his first year.
    Also if he hadn’t signed Lucic we would have the money for a scoring winger or another RD.

  53. hunter1909 says:

    Jethro Tull: Your first post says this, but your 90,000,000 (+/- 89,000,096) subsequent posts say different.

    hahahahaha

    I meant to say something more along the lines of: “I’ll stop believing they’re any good and/or will ever be any good, not until I see it on the ice, during the regular season, no exhibition games considered”.

    I was just trying to avoid the usual dirge.

  54. SwedishPoster says:

    Oil2Oilers:
    My take away from the ‘Jesse Puljujarvi’ section of the news conference was not as positive as LT’s.

    To paraphrase Woodguy from the last thread – The Edmonton Oilers, not accepting young players for who they are since 1972 –

    PC’ praised Puljujarvi’s handling, believing the young tall player was not tough enough for a man his size.Beyond this being fucking stupid, it does explain why during the very few PP minutes Puljujarvi was deployed in the Bumper or Net Front position rather than as a shooter. Again, fucking stupid, but they must of being trying to toughen him up! Put him on a goon line with Lucic too, that’ll teach him.

    This painful baseline stupidity does not fill me with hope for the future. As it is stuff believed by the people that hired PC and his current coaches. It will be believed by any replacements in either role in the future as well.Go Oilers

    Yep they clearly have no clue who the player is and what he needs to work on if that’s their main concern. If this is truly what management think they should focus on in player developement They’re a bunch of dinosaurs.

  55. JimmyV1965 says:

    I get it why people want Chia gone. I get it why people didn’t like his presser. What I don’t get is the notion he should be fired based on his presser. Who cares about his performance in a presser? It means absolutely zero. It’s noise. It sheds light on nothing

  56. Jethro Tull says:

    VOR: There was a lot of hubris and damn little humility and almost no humour

    You talking Pete, or this thread?

    Emotions are, quite understandably, running rampant and are forming biases and narratives like crazy today.

    It’s hard to do, but take a deep breath, or whatever relaxes you (unless it’s thinking about the Oilers) and just try some empathy.

    Because unless you’re a behavioral professional, some of the assertions on here are exactly the same as when people make claims about players that the numbers don’t back up – supposition and ‘what you think you saw’, which is run by the primal side of the brain. The same instincts that tell you whether you like someone at first sight or not. And your mind is made up within 5 seconds and very difficult to change.

    I am NOT a behavioral professional, but it is a……let’s call it a hobby of mine.

  57. Ribs says:

    pboy: I don’t know why but I’m always amazed at how easy the MSM goes on Oiler’s management. So a backup goalie is needed for next year. Why did you trade a 4th for a player with term who underperformed? No one asked that. Puck moving RHD is a desperate need. Why did you make a trade for Reinhart, who was a LHD and not a puck mover? Why did you trade Taylor Hall for a d man who’s skill set didn’t fill that hole? How could you blow out prime assets and never even make an attempt to fill that spot? We have too many LHD. Why did you sign Kris Russell to a 4 x 4 with a NMC when you already have Sekera, Klefbom and Nurse?

    How is it possible those questions weren’t asked?

    I’m pretty sure he’s been asked and addressed just about every one of those questions in the past.

  58. Jethro Tull says:

    hunter1909: hahahahaha

    I meant to say something more along the lines of: “I’ll stop believing they’re any good and/or will ever be any good, not until I see it on the ice, during the regular season, no exhibition games considered”.

    I was just trying to avoid the usual dirge.

    😉

    I’m a Kool-Aid drinker.

    Come on in and bring the kids, Ma, the Kool-aid’s warm!

  59. knighttown says:

    Lots to be angry about but a minor quibble on the rhetoric around the Montoya trade “during a lost season”. It was looking damned dire at that point but it wasn’t completely lost (or at least the GM shouldn’t have been completely folding the tent. And LB was 100% done at that point…not able to even give us a remote chance at winning.

    Upgrading the backup goalie at that point in time wasn’t a bad move.

    – price too high? ya
    – trading for a guy that was almost certainly going to be on waiver stupid? ya
    – getting a below replacement player WITH another year a bad move? ya

    The Oilers problem continues to be the number of swings it takes to fix a problem.

    Need a #1 RHD? Sure, move Hall for Larsson. Shit, still need a RHD.

    Need a goalie to challenge Cam? Move a #4 for Montoya. Shit still need a 1B goalie (or decent 2).

  60. Ribs says:

    RENNAVATE:
    From Spector on Twitter: “Oilers CEO Bob Nicholson to hold press conference in 90 minutes.”

    Kevin Lowe press conference set for Friday morning. Wayne Gretzky press conference for Monday morning. Daryl Katz press conference for Tuesday afternoon.

    The wheels on the bus go ’round and ’round!

  61. John Chambers says:

    Brantford Boy: From Spector on Twitter: “Make that in 2.5 hours. Apologies.”

    I believe Peter Chiarelli is getting fired.

    I don’t live in Edmonton, but Edmontonians hate him. If the fans don’t trust management it’s a major problem. Fans believe Chiarelli has botched the cluster of talent around McDavid, and whether that’s true or not, it would take a Stanley Cup in the next two years to convince them otherwise.

    The Oilers aren’t winning a cup in the next two years, so best to pin the last three years on Chiarelli and let someone get out from under the Lucic and Russell contracts.

  62. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    Pierre Dorion let Guy Boucher have it.

  63. Dicky94 says:

    John Chambers,

    I think Chia is gone too. Todd will be back with different assistants if he chooses to come back.

  64. HT Joe says:

    John Chambers: I believe Peter Chiarelli is getting fired.

    I don’t live in Edmonton, but Edmontonians hate him. If the fans don’t trust management it’s a major problem. Fans believe Chiarelli has botched the cluster of talent around McDavid, and whether that’s true or not, it would take a Stanley Cup in the next two years to convince them otherwise.

    The Oilers aren’t winning a cup in the next two years, so best to pin the last three years on Chiarelli and let someone get out from under the Lucic and Russell contracts.

    I think if you had polled Oilers fans on the day we drafted McDavid, and told them that the Oilers would have no chance of winning the cup in the next 5 years, they would be furious. Here we are.

  65. frjohnk says:

    Interesting that Vollman does a coaches metric and said “does not really see McClellan as an issue”

    I’d love to see how and what metrics he uses for this

  66. Georges says:

    “People don’t see him during the bad times, don’t see him acknowledge his own role in this past season, well, let’s just say there’s a way we do things out west and Todd McLellan knows them.”

    Man, if Nicholson fires PC and keeps the HC… if that’s how the power struggle has played out… apparently McLellan does know the way we do things out west. What’s the way of the west, LT? Take a pre-season favorite (a team you picked for 100 points) and deliver 78 points. Then say the right things and work the right people so your “boss” gets fired.

    Winning in the NHL isn’t easy.

    There is no reason to believe Nicholson can manage a Stanley Cup winning operation.

    There is no reason to believe Todd McLellan can coach a Stanley Cup winning team.

    There is only one person in the organization who has built a Stanley Cup winner.

    There is only one person in the organization who has taken a team from the lower ranks of NHL teams to the higher ranks of NHL teams.

    Let’s fire that guy.

    Keep the rest.

    I guess we’ll see the way we do things out west.

  67. Pescador says:

    Dicky94:
    John Chambers,

    I think Chia is gone too. Todd will be back with different assistants if he chooses to come back.

    Although I vehemently agree with this course of action,
    There is nothing to suggest that will happen.
    Specifically, some other, better GM that has recently been fired.
    Oilers are not in a position to try someone like a Paul Fenton, Unproven but with fresh perspectives and ideas.
    That IMO is part of the problem

  68. Oil2Oilers says:

    A fever dream news conference from Bobby Nic;

    Ralph Kruger is the new POHO

    Kyle Dubas is the new GM

    Dellow back as Assistant GM

    Coaches will be evaluated by new POHO & GM

    Boys on the bus have moved off Oilers payroll and now have personal services contracts with Katz for viewing parties in his new LA home.

  69. digger50 says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    Al Montoya.extra year at 1m for a 4th in a lost season when he was going to be on waivers; now looking for a better option.

    BecauseOilers.

    The Montoya trade was small potatoes, true. Yet it represents a lot larger issue.

    Tmac would not play LB. just would not and when the time came and he was forced to play him LB was far from ready.
    To say LB simply didn’t play good is too easy. Given a young unproven goalie, what steps did Tmac take to get him ready? None

    Did Peter discuss this with Todd? I’m sure they did. It seems almost like an “I told you so” after watching LB struggle and fail.

    So Peter gets a back up at first opportunity – as his hand was forced by Todd and likely others. It was a poor move.

    Peter gives up a fifth rounder. Todd could play Montoya 7 games. He clearly prefers NOT to play him, again riding Talbot. Instead he said plays Montoya 9 games. So two games of Montoya costs raises his cost from a fifth to a fourth. That also seems like an FU moment.

    Seems to me this little trade is an industry actor if GM / Coach / and other influencers not being on the same page.

  70. flea says:

    I think Chia might be done too. His presser yesterday reeked of someone who knew they were getting punted.

    Get ready for Wayne Gretzky, GM of the Oilers everyone . . .

  71. dustrock says:

    No statement from Pete, right into questions was weird

  72. Wayne Kenov says:

    Would be weird to have Chia give yesterdays presser if he’s getting axed today. Stranger things have happened, but I bet this is just Bob saying he is in the process of evaluating upper management. Perhaps his “I’m not the problem attitude was the problem”. If Wayne is at the table, I am closing the laptop and never watching this team again.

  73. DocFan says:

    Question for the bloggers, fans and “Haters”.

    When was the last time Oil Country loved the coach? Was it 2006 MacT?
    When was the last time Oil Country loved the GM? Was it 2006 Lowe? Slat’s last few years?

    We don’t seem to every be a level headed bunch – team loses, everyone sucks. Team wins, everyone is amazing. Truth is often somewhere in between.

  74. Dicky94 says:

    Wayne Kenov,

    Lol. MacT and Coffey too!

  75. digger50 says:

    This feedback from the players about not buying in, fully committing, cheating is very important.

    One could say “next year you really have to be committed, okay”

    Which would give you zero information. You have to find out why.

    Why were they not fully committed? Was this personal choice? Individual? Sounds like a common theme so why? Did they not believe in the system? Did not agree? What’s going on here. The answer here gives you the answer in regards to the coaches. It is a major failure when players are not committed.

  76. Wayne Kenov says:

    Dicky94:
    Wayne Kenov,

    Lol. MacT and Coffey too!

    Yeah. Them too. And Lowe. If Seattle gets a team, they will be my team. In the meantime it would be Winnipeg.

  77. blainer says:

    The single biggest problem for me is goaltending…again .. How many 1st shot goals went in… way too many.

    This team needs a goaltender who wants the number 1 role and is willing to fight Talbot for it. We do not need a back up … we NEED another goalie who wants the starters job and shows tabs you be ready to at least stop the first fucking shot!!

    We have to find that goaltender. Trade the first or JP or Klef but just get it done. There has to be a team three deep in goalies willing to make that trade. Not sure who they are but I bet there is someone out there up for it.. problem is you better get it right.

    Also we need to move on from the current management and coaching.

  78. hunter1909 says:

    DocFan:
    Question for the bloggers, fans and “Haters”.

    When was the last time Oil Country loved the coach? Was it 2006 MacT?
    When was the last time Oil Country loved the GM? Was it 2006 Lowe? Slat’s last few years?

    We don’t seem to every be a level headed bunch – team loses, everyone sucks. Team wins, everyone is amazing. Truth is often somewhere in between.

    I’ll bet you’re a secret Leafs fan.

  79. digger50 says:

    Tile guy

    Lt show is playing “my boy is going to
    Play in the big league “ in tribute to the recent tragedy.

    Song always makes me think about Richard

  80. Dicky94 says:

    Wayne Kenov,

    I’ve always been a Jets fan. I can’t give up on the Oilers yet thought. I’ve put too much time and effort ( broken remotes too) into them. Gotta see how this soap opera ends.

  81. russ99 says:

    Oil2Oilers:
    My take away from the ‘Jesse Puljujarvi’ section of the news conference was not as positive as LT’s.

    To paraphrase Woodguy from the last thread – The Edmonton Oilers, not accepting young players for who they are since 1972 –

    PC’ praised Puljujarvi’s handling, believing the young tall player was not tough enough for a man his size.Beyond this being fucking stupid, it does explain why during the very few PP minutes Puljujarvi was deployed in the Bumper or Net Front position rather than as a shooter. Again, fucking stupid, but they must of being trying to toughen him up! Put him on a goon line with Lucic too, that’ll teach him.

    This painful baseline stupidity does not fill me with hope for the future. As it is stuff believed by the people that hired PC and his current coaches. It will be believed by any replacements in either role in the future as well.Go Oilers

    I disagree. Puljujarvi Had an 8.8 shooting percentage and has missed the net myriad times when given good feeds. He’s not there yet as a shooter,

    I think it was smart to keep him on a lower line, and learn the tricks of the cycle trade from Lucic and other lessons playing third line minutes.

    We can’t have it both ways, we rip on how the Austins didn’t get enough development time to make them better all-round players and how Yakupov was ruined by Eakins with his hit something every shift nonsense, but now we’re not OK with a big player learning a two way game and how to play against NHL players on a lower, softer minute line.

    Truth is he’s not ready for a top 6 role or a shooter role on the powerplay and for the first time in forever we’re not rushing a kid into a high role, and letting him find his feet first. Had we any kind of forward prospects, he’d be learning this in Bakersfield. But he’s shown already he’s too good for Bakersfield.

  82. Oilin4 says:

    John Chambers: I believe Peter Chiarelli is getting fired.

    I don’t live in Edmonton, but Edmontonians hate him. If the fans don’t trust management it’s a major problem. Fans believe Chiarelli has botched the cluster of talent around McDavid, and whether that’s true or not, it would take a Stanley Cup in the next two years to convince them otherwise.

    The Oilers aren’t winning a cup in the next two years, so best to pin the last three years on Chiarelli and let someone get out from under the Lucic and Russell contracts.

    I don’t think he will, though his track record with trades and building is poor and he deserves it. You know my argument here: The core in Boston was there before him and he squandered a strong leverage position – young talent, good cap situation – on bad trades and signings and average at best draft results. No real difference maker on the Oilers was acquired by him and he once again squandered a high leverage position – young talent, lots of draft picks, tons of cap space – on bad trades, bad signings, and average draft results.

    What will happen is Nicholson will announce some shakeups in organization in which the OBC will take a prominent role, and possibly firing of assistant coaches.

    Hope I’m wrong.

  83. sliderule says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    sliderule,

    This team is money conscious as being so far under the cap shows

    Katz has spent to the cap in the past and EDM is now a top 5 NHL club for revenues via the building (others have more TV and merch revenues, but as far as $/game revenue from the building, they are top 5)

    I was also under the impression that Peter planned on spending most of the cap space as the deadline got closer.

    Since they were no where near a playoff spot, it didn’t get spent.

    Peter assuming that 2 Actual NHL top 4 Dmen + Nurse/Russell/Benning could get them to the playoffs is pretty damning.

    You are probably spot on as to why he didn’t spend.

    I am not a tier one fan but if I was and saw the big increase in ticket prices I would say just take what you didn’t spend to the cap off the ticket price.

    Fat chance that would happen but I am hearing lots of tier one fans are ready to walk away.

  84. russ99 says:

    blainer:
    The single biggest problem for me is goaltending…again .. How many 1st shot goals went in… way too many.

    This team needs a goaltender who wants the number 1 role and is willing to fight Talbot for it. We do not need a back up … we NEED another goalie who wants the starters job and shows tabs you be ready to at least stop the first fucking shot!!

    We have to find that goaltender. Trade the first or JP or Klef but just get it done. There has to be a team three deep in goalies willing to make that trade. Not sure who they are but I bet there is someone out there up for it.. problem is you better get it right.

    Also we need to move on from the current management and coaching.

    Goals against aren’t all on the goaltender. They’re also on the five man defensive unit.

    It was a breath of fresh air that Chia mentioned that players were “cheating”. I’ve been seeing this all year leading to all kinds of mismatches and blown assignments.

    Maybe had we not overused Talbot, he’s not have let in a few of those early goals, but there’s tons more goals where he was hung out to dry.

    The 80s era tenet of all systems on offense and let the goalie bail us out are untenable in this era of systems hockey, and you can be sure the opponent will exploit our problems that they see on video.

  85. hunter1909 says:

    Rest easy everyone.

    Mark Messier gets introduced as the new HC and everyone will be smiling.

  86. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    hunter1909: Like I said. Slimey.

    – I’m delighted that some associate my reasoning with Chia’s… One day you will all be proven right and Chia (and me) are wrong. We both must be slimey creatures. When Chia does get fired (now or sometime in the future) you will all be able to say: “told you so”

    – Listening to the GM press conference to glean clues about a team is like going to the CEO at the annual general meeting in a Hall to learn about a publicly traded company

    – I pray that Bob announces that he has found a job for MacT with Hockey Canada, that Howson and Carriere are pursuing other opportunites, and that the some new personel non-OBC division are moving in to help Chia with the evalaution of the coaching staff and player personel.

  87. tileguy says:

    sliderule,

    I am surprised that nobody surmises and/or defends the idea that Chia was saving cap room for the trade deadline in order to make a strong run at the cup. I think it was a good plan except for the fact we did not make the playoffs.
    Edit: ooops, a little late with my reply.

  88. hunter1909 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: I’m delighted that some associate my reasoning with Chia’s…

    Sorry if I’m a bit thick or something here, but what reasoning of yours do you take me for associating? I was 100% all Chiarelli in all comments.

  89. Dustylegnd says:

    Jethro Tull: You talking Pete, or this thread?

    Emotions are, quite understandably, running rampant and are forming biases and narratives like crazy today.

    It’s hard to do, but take a deep breath, or whatever relaxes you (unless it’s thinking about the Oilers) and just try some empathy.

    Because unless you’re a behavioral professional, some of the assertions on here are exactly the same as when people make claims about players that the numbers don’t back up – supposition and ‘what you think you saw’, which is run by the primal side of the brain.The same instincts that tell you whether you like someone at first sight or not.And your mind is made up within 5 seconds and very difficult to change.

    I am NOT a behavioral professional, but it is a……let’s call it a hobby of mine.

    Let’s look at the issue from a less emotional level and use money managers as a comparable for NHL GM’s

    Buffet is the Gold standard when it comes to money managers, he has beat the indexes by a very meaningful amount over a very meaningful length of time, he has made mistakes investing in good companies at the wrong time and not investing in great companies at all (tech save apple)

    When Buffet makes a mistake like buying ConocoPhillips shares near the top of Oil and Gas prices, in front of the shale revolution, he acknowledged his mistake, immediately cut his losses, took full responsibility, and apologized to his shareholders at his AGM.

    Buffet has since continued applying his genius, buying and privatizing BNSF, and becoming the single biggest share holder of Apple Stock.

    Chia is a one hit wonder, yes he won a cup in Boston, he traded away very very good players to add complementary pieces and against the odds, beat the Canucks on the Road, in game 7 to win the cup. He continued to bleed talent, Sequin and draft picks (1st rounder for Kaberle) in an attempt to win a second cup.

    Chia also managed the Bruins cap situation very poorly and put the team in bad situation before being fired.

    Clearly Boston has a great amateur scouting department because they keep adding great young talent via the draft and free agent signings. Things that had little to do with Chia.

    Fair evaluation of Chia,

    Won a cup with Boston

    Bled talent to get to the cup and bled more talent and high draft picks trying to win a second cup

    Poorly managed the Cap in Boston while missing the playoffs in his final year

    Moves post Chia by Boston…..traded away Lucic in return for a 1st round pick…looks genius

    Traded away Dougie Hamilton, looked bad at the time…..Calgary missed the playoffs with him this year

    Fired the coach and replaced him with a young new age coach…Boston finished top 3 in the standings

    Chia in Edmonton:

    Lost 3 major trades bleeding significant talent and high draft picks

    Signed the same Lucic that his replacement quickly traded away from Boston

    Butchered the cap situation

    Missed the playoffs 2 of 3 years

    Do we see anything in Chia’s recent past that suggests his behaviour will change in any way shape or form moving forward?

    Chia refuses to take responsibility for his own actions or admit he has made investing mistakes re talent and free agent signings

    In the case of Warren Buffet his past performance has predicted his future success, do we see anything on Chia’s resume to suggest his future performance is going to change?

  90. HugThePost says:

    April 12, snow still flying and the eternal winter that Katz’s Ice Fiefdom has cast onto Edmonton and us fans continues….

    I think Chia is gone today too; his presser yesterday was the portrait of someone who has checked out IMO….blaming everyone including coaches, players, etc except himself. I’m surprised he didn’t go as far as blaming the fans for this year.

    What would be a satisfactory outcome from today?

    Chia out, all the coaches out, BOTB all back in

    re-arrange the deck chairs on the Titanic and fire some assistants, keep Chia, TMac

    Chia out, everyone else stays

    Chia stays, everyone else out

    Chia, all coaches out, outsiders fill in, but the BOTB all remain in the shadows

    I don’t see anything happening today that does not include the BOTB still being Katz’s inner circle for Oiler decisions, regardless of who is managing or coaching this sorry podunk amateur excuse for an NHL franchise.

  91. hunter1909 says:

    Coming from cultured historical Boston to Edmonton…Chiarelli must feel like Lester B. Pearson wearing a 3 piece suit visiting the LBJ ranch on BBQ day during the Vietnam War.

  92. Wayne Kenov says:

    sliderule: You are probably spot on as to why he didn’t spend.

    I am not a tier one fan but if I was and saw the big increase in ticket prices I would say just take what you didn’t spend to the cap off the ticket price.

    Fat chance that would happen but I am hearing lots of tier one fans are ready to walk away.

    They won’t. They just like to bitch like the poor farmers. Most of them are turning a profit off their tickets anyway.

  93. John Chambers says:

    Georges,

    I dunno, man.

    I think Chia can take credit for signing Chara, but I’m sure Tim Thomas’ performance was behond what they had modeled.

    Thomas, Chara, and a forward group that Chiarelli had largely inherited (minus trading Blake Wheeler for Rich Peverley, and Phil Kessel for Seguin who played 3rd line in 2011) won them the cup. Some moves PC made where astute, others were high cost, and a couple were quite lucky.

  94. Oilin4 says:

    hunter1909:
    Coming from cultured historical Boston to Edmonton…Chiarelli must feel like Lester B. Pearson wearing a 3 piece suit visiting the LBJ ranch on BBQ day during the Vietnam War.

    Where did this non-sequitor attack on Edmonton come from?

    Also, have you seen Chia’s wardrobe?

  95. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    russ99: I disagree. Puljujarvi Had an 8.8 shooting percentage and has missed the net myriad times when given good feeds. He’s not there yet as a shooter,

    I think it was smart to keep him on a lower line, and learn the tricks of the cycle trade from Lucic and other lessons playing third line minutes.

    We can’t have it both ways, we rip on how the Austins didn’t get enough development time to make them better all-round players and how Yakupov was ruined by Eakins with his hit something every shift nonsense, but now we’re not OK with a big player learning a two way game and how to play against NHL players on a lower, softer minute line.

    Truth is he’s not ready for a top 6 role or a shooter role on the powerplay and for the first time in forever we’re not rushing a kid into a high role, and letting him find his feet first. Had we any kind of forward prospects, he’d be learning this in Bakersfield. But he’s shown already he’s too good for Bakersfield.

    This x1000

    Echoes my thoughts and your Austin’s comment is a dead ringer

    Ya maybe its not a wise idea to put him with CmD to get his head kicked in by top flight comp night in night out. Maybe its not wise to a physically gifted, yet under-developed body through the rigors of playing first line comp night in night out.

    I was fine with JP’s handling, though of course could have stomached a push on PP2, but overall no real complaints. Its too bad his confidence dipped when the puck didn’t go in but he’ll have to learn to manage that and at 19 I trust he’ll be able to figure it out.

    I don’t quite see how folks can take a strong negative from Chia’s answer about JP yesterday and I think LTs chart above is very encouraging.

  96. Bag of Pucks says:

    I would buy into Chiarelli needing to know how things are done out west, if I bought into the idea that he’s in any way accountable to the fans. He’s not.

    GMs do these things because they’re forced to by the PR staff. But make no mistake, the Oilers are not a public company and the fans are not the shareholders getting the right to roast Chia at the AGM.

    He’ll be judged on one thing and one thing alone, wins. And he knows as well as anyone if next year is like this in terms of W/Ls, he is gone. So, while I get the desire of the fanbase to have the GM say some things to placate us, I actually respect a guy more if he’s not trying to ‘sell’ me on his vision. I don’t care about sales jobs or spin, I care about results. Chiarelli could go full ivory tower on me and not hold a single press avail in the next 5 years, but if the team won 3 Cups in that span, Bob’s your uncle.

    I get the sense he feels he gave the Head Coach the roster he asked for entering the season and he’s very unhappy with how it was deployed in a number of areas (constant line juggling, Leon at 1RW, special teams, goalie usage, line matching or lack thereof, and the glaring disappearance of the defensive structure and functional toughness in the hards areas that were the hallmarks of the previous season).

    In short, I get the sense he’d like to fire the HC yesterday. He says he carries that axe. We’ll see…

  97. John Chambers says:

    Dustylegnd,

    Like, thank God Nuge killed it on 97’s line to end the year or we’d see him traded for Justin Faulk.

  98. Pink Socks says:

    For me, the HC should be fired. Georges has had some terrific information, actual data, that shows that this is a clear need to remove TMac and move on.

    Regarding PC yesterday, the press conference was that of a man who did not see a future inside the organization. Perhaps he knew he was on the way out tomorrow (today), but if that is the case, he should have been fired before the press conference. While it sounded and looked like he was in the unemployment line later this week, it is beyond silly to put him in front of the media as a dead man walking. Despite our thoughts on what he has done poorly and what he has done well, that press conference was pathetic.

    What I think will happen:

    PC remains as GM
    TMac and his coaching staff are not fired
    Some minor executive reshuffling
    Everyone is on a short leash starting October 2018.

    What I think should happen:

    TMac and the entire coaching staff fired
    PC retained for 1 year, 2018-19 playoffs and he stays, out of the playoffs goodbye
    New AHL coaching staff

    BOTB aren’t going anywhere so it is pointless to discuss.

  99. Alpine says:

    Anyone know if they’re putting this on TV?

  100. --hudson-- says:

    It would be absolutely incredible if Chia was fired the day AFTER holding a press conference. That would be a bush league move. It’s interesting the evaluation flowchart flows from the owner downward but the media availability is going upward. This is not the way it should be done ino

  101. Georges says:

    John Chambers:
    Georges,

    I dunno, man.

    I think Chia can take credit for signing Chara, but I’m sure Tim Thomas’ performance was behond what they had modeled.

    Thomas, Chara, and a forward group that Chiarelli had largely inherited (minus trading Blake Wheeler for Rich Peverley, and Phil Kessel for Seguin who played 3rd line in 2011) won them the cup. Some moves PC made where astute, others were high cost, and a couple were quite lucky.

    I had a look at what you said.

    I dunno either, man.

  102. Ryan says:

    Peter continues.

  103. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    hunter1909: Sorry if I’m a bit thick or something here, but what reasoning of yours do you take me for associating? I was 100% all Chiarelli in all comments.

    – You responded to Cassandra, who said that kinger logic = Chia packpedalling= slimey.

    – i though you too had thrown me under the bus, my pal Hunter who has so much wisdom and fight. And I was sad: I thought you went to the dark side…

  104. Wayne Kenov says:

    Chia stays. Nicholson talked about management and OEG firings being possible. I’ll give Chia another chance if the usual suspects are gone.

  105. Ryan says:

    Georges: I had a look at what you said.

    I dunno either, man.

    You need a blog.

    All of that excellent analysis buried in these threads.

  106. Pretendergast says:

    They effing promoted him, Jesus

  107. Craig Zonit says:

    Rest easy, folks. Peter has a plan.

    edit: He’s leading the eval.

    No expressed commitment to McLellan or any of the coaching staff.

  108. The Trade Guy says:

    Peter has a plan. Craig is on It!

    Six Ring Circus takes it to 11

  109. tileguy says:

    Bob, so what you are saying is that the organization is happy with the Lucic, Russell contracts, as well as the Griffin Reinhart trade?

  110. Pretendergast says:

    Soft balls left right and centre,

    -most of the teams that were in the ploffs last year didnt make it this year, don’t you think that’s hard?

    Give me a break

    Edit: love that they’re making very clear this is all Chia and his decisions. Scape meet goat, symptom not the disease.

  111. Bag of Pucks says:

    It would be so OBC if Chiarelli and MacLellan are literally dueling each other to keep their jobs, through some dog and pony show firing squad evaluation process helmed by Bobby Nicks and Lowe.

  112. Oilin4 says:

    Oilin4: I don’t think he will, though his track record with trades and building is poor and he deserves it. You know my argument here: The core in Boston was there before him and he squandered a strong leverage position – young talent, good cap situation – on bad trades and signings and average at best draft results. No real difference maker on the Oilers was acquired by him and he once again squandered a high leverage position – young talent, lots of draft picks, tons of cap space – on bad trades, bad signings, and average draft results.

    What will happen is Nicholson will announce some shakeups in organization in which the OBC will take a prominent role, and possibly firing of assistant coaches.

    Hope I’m wrong.

    Guess I was wrong. Seems they just like having press conferences to announce nothing.

  113. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    Pretendergast:
    Soft balls left right and centre,

    -‘most of the teams that were in the ploffs last year didnt make it this year, don’t you think that’s hard?

    Give me a break

    Hallsy must be 100 by now!

  114. Craig Zonit says:

    Interesting comment on oversight for Chiarelli: there is none.

  115. HugThePost says:

    Where was the bar set for Peter in terms of minimum level of achievement or deliverables required to avoid getting fired?

  116. --hudson-- says:

    The questions today are much better. Also Brian Hall is still working?

  117. LMHF#1 says:

    They don’t care about winning or being an elite team.

    They’ll take in money while McDavid is around. Franchise value will grow. If they make the playoffs – meh. If they win something – meh. Just look kinda sorta organized and lean on alternating bits of nostalgia, Connor McDavid and a “designated respected figure” (Bob Nicholson right now).

    This is a joke. And a bad one.

  118. Pretendergast says:

    -‘We didn’t use our cap this year because we were thinking of the 1, 2, 3 year plan.’ -Bob

    So Bob do you think your cap next year with Mcdavid’s contract is going to be difficult to navigate?

    -‘yeah we haven’t really looked into it yet’

    Can’t make this stuff up

  119. Oilin4 says:

    Pretendergast:
    -‘We didn’t use our cap this year because we were thinking of the 1, 2, 3 year plan.’ -Bob

    So Bob do you think your cap next year with Mcdavid’s contract is going to be difficult to navigate?

    -‘yeah we haven’t really looked into it yet’

    Can’t make this stuff up

    Wow

  120. Pretendergast says:

    ‘Success starts with wins and losses… Pete handles the scouts well’

    Well whew Stanley incoming

  121. npanciroli says:

    I’m speechless after listening to that.

  122. StixMalone says:

    Evaluate. I dont really know what that word means anymore. In the OEG it means everything is staying the same. No need for change….

  123. tileguy says:

    What did he mean Kevin and Wayne are in the vice chair?

  124. StixMalone says:

    tileguy,

    Vice Presidents of OEG

  125. tileguy says:

    StixMalone,

    And thry are overlooking trades?

  126. HugThePost says:

    Are these jokers going to be this smug when they have to stand up and announce that 97 has asked for a trade out of here so that he can pursue his goal of winning the Stanley Cup with an organization that wants it as bad as he does?

  127. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    HugThePost,

    I think we’ll find out.

  128. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Dustylegnd,

    – You went big-picture, then you got stuck in the weeds: that’s not what Buffet does….

    – Big picture: Boston was in playoffs for a Decade under his tenure, won a Cup, went to another. Since he’s gone, they continue to be very good. Since coming to Edmonton, he had the single-best season this team has enjoyed a decade, the team turned around a lot, and then fell back this year.

    – You focused on all the bad things he did. His team did a poor job last year. But if you want to compare him to a money manager with a long-track record of success, your evaluation is awful

    *and TileGuy: I heard that two: Kevin and Wayne (not employable in Hockey as executives elsewhere), feed info to guy who has never been a NHL executive. Poor Chia, having to navigate those two buffons, who then distill it to a guy whose never done it before.

  129. Scungilli Slushy says:

    And now to get the real problem this season. We are behind on this whole sriracha thing. The league’s menus are changing faster than we anticipated. I’ll be working with chef Ramsey and Glenn Anderson to come up with a new burger, Bobby’s Ring of Fire.

    I am so excited to be working with Glenn who is our new Vice President of, well we haven’t really discussed that in depth yet. This new menu offering will make next season’s games worth the price of admission, plus $19 for the burger. I have full confidence in everyone involved, including myself.

    The team? Peter does that.

  130. J-Bo says:

    Clear that Chiarelli is on the hot seat next year. No playoffs, then no more job. This clearly will equal a big summer with trades that will likely upset most of us here. I keep wondering about this plan that Nicholson keeps talking about… what does he mean? Is the plan a coaching shuffle? That wouldn’t really live up to what he is foreshadowing. Are they planning a major trade for Karlsson or something? I mean what plan can he tell us about that will make everybody go “Oh right. That is exactly what was needed. Now I understand everything.”

  131. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    Can Bobby Orr please get on the phone to Chia right now?

    Chia might have the keys but 97 pumps the gas.

    97 and 4 need to hold the organization hostage.

  132. Scungilli Slushy says:

    I don’t think Gretzky or Messier would want leading roles in management because it would put a pretty big cramp on their lifestyles. As in working long hours year round. They have too much money and things to do for that.

  133. Wayne Kenov says:

    J-Bo:
    Clear that Chiarelli is on the hot seat next year. No playoffs, then no more job. This clearly will equal a big summer with trades that will likely upset most of us here. I keep wondering about this plan that Nicholson keeps talking about… what does he mean? Is the plan a coaching shuffle? That wouldn’t really live up to what he is foreshadowing. Are they planning a major trade for Karlsson or something? I mean what plan can he tell us about that will make everybody go “Oh right. That is exactly what was needed. Now I understand everything.”

    Seemed to me Nicholson understands the difficulties from internal forces that hinder Chiarelli. Maybe like some on here he believes Chia needs to be uncuffed.

  134. Pretendergast says:

    J-Bo,

    There is no plan to win, there never was.

    The plan was to make more money, they have done an excellent job of that.

  135. Pink Socks says:

    Did Nicholson really just say that the salary cap hasn’t really been looked at in depth for next season? That is rather damning for all involved.

  136. OilClog says:

    Hopefully they axe Todd and let Chia hire the coach that shares his vision now that he’s being kept on.

    And no matter what keep 93 and 97 together, pure insanity to suggest splitting them apart. Find the players that compliment 29 and stop forcing things.

  137. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Wayne Kenov:
    Chia stays. Nicholson talked about management and OEG firings being possible. I’ll give Chia another chance if the usual suspects are gone.

    – The one thing Bob has going for him, is he’s a manager first. I have no doubt the stuff that I bring up about Chia having to rely on guys who have been in the organziation a long time and don’t have success: they resonate with a competent manager

    – I bet Chia has said basically all the things I have said: “look if you want to put me in charge, you have to let me hire who I want”

    – And for sure that is a dynamic that is playing out. Sure Chia (like any employee) is trying to cast himself in the best light possible, when the axe is swinging.

    For sure he’s been advocating:
    1) Why do I have to keep MacT: look he can’t even run our AHL team
    2) Why do I have to keep Howson: there are so many other people out there better
    3) I brought in 1 guy so far: Wayne’s brother, and by all accounts he’s done well
    4) Shouldn’t after years of the same VP Personel and Development: Carriere and Suter: surely we can find better guys than this
    5) Can’t I have a say in the coach, or at least bring in guys that share my philosophy?

    – I know people want Chia’s head. And they may be right. I did not consider that Bob: a pro manager: at least Chia would be the one guy here that would resonate with him

    – All the other guys: Howson, MacT, Carrier, Sutter, surely if there was competitive recruitment process, they could find better people, or at least change them after years of ineptness.

    – At least Chia has only had one bad season with the Oil

  138. Psyche says:

    hunter1909,

    Or Pierre Elliott Trudeau visiting any Prairie city in the late 70’s or early 80’s. Looking down his nose at us Prairie people and deciding how to create Eastern jobs with our resources. Just like John A. MacDonald did.

  139. digger50 says:

    Pretendergast:
    J-Bo,

    There is no plan to win, there never was.

    The plan was to make more money, they have done an excellent job of that.

    I have posted numerous times that Peter was not hired to bring Home the Stanley Cup.

    He was hired to create a stable, “good” long term organization to ensure success of the Ice district. This is the long term plan.

    Early on many here pointed out that his moves seemed counter to winning the cup, because that is the number two priority.

    More proof today

  140. Munny says:

    Bob just now: “You have to have a positive start. If you don’t get a positive start, you have to stay positive, you can’t beat your team down.”

    I keep thinking of that bag skate in the first week of the season.

  141. AshetonisGod says:

    hunter1909,

    … holding all key meetings in the brick shithouse.

  142. Bismarck says:

    With Nicholson’s announcement that Chia was staying in place, if you could buy publicly-traded shares in a team, I would be loading up on Islander stock…

  143. Pretendergast says:

    Pink Socks:
    Did Nicholson really just say that the salary cap hasn’t really been looked at in depth for next season?That is rather damning for all involved.

    minute 10 of presser talking about why the cap was the way it was this year.

    11:30 ish he talks about how they haven’t gone into depth on how Mcdavid’s salary will affect the team next year. All they know is they will be a cap team.

  144. McSorley33 says:

    knighttown,

    Lots to be angry about but a minor quibble on the rhetoric around the Montoya trade “during a lost season”. It was looking damned dire at that point but it wasn’t completely lost (or at least the GM shouldn’t have been completely folding the tent. And LB was 100% done at that point…not able to even give us a remote chance at winning.
    *********************************************************************************
    We were nowhere near a playoff spot by US Thanksgiving.

    Even your own words ‘damned dire’ ….

    32 year old Al Montoya was – never – going to fix ‘damned dire’ situation.

    We had 2 regulation wins in the whole month of October – which was when I personally made
    the call on the season.

  145. frjohnk says:

    Pretendergast:
    -‘We didn’t use our cap this year because we were thinking of the 1, 2, 3 year plan.’ -Bob

    So Bob do you think your cap next year with Mcdavid’s contract is going to be difficult to navigate?

    -‘yeah we haven’t really looked into it yet’

    Can’t make this stuff up

    This can not be fucking true.

  146. frjohnk says:

    frjohnk: This can not be fucking true.

    It is.

    FFS.

  147. krakman says:

    Who is more incompetent at their job Nicholson or Chiarelli?

  148. Pink Socks says:

    Pretendergast: minute 10 of presser talking about why the cap was the way it was this year.

    11:30 ish he talks about how they haven’t gone into depth on how Mcdavid’s salary will affect the team next year. All they know is they will be a cap team.

    This is inexcusable. I was playing the presser in the background and nearly choked on my coffee. Everyone in the LT community saw open cap this year created by a few trades go unused. We also all see a rather bleak outlook on the 2018-19 salary cap. He response should have been, “yes, unfortunately we didn’t use the cap space this year because we were not in a playoff position at the deadline to put it to good use. And yes, next year we are in a crunch and will need to shuffle things around in order to be in the playoffs.”

    TMac, PC, and Nicholson’s press conferences have all left a bit to be desired. From TMac stating the team was done after a bad run early in the season, and some of PC’s questionable lines, I thought that at least Nicholson would have something moderately intelligent to say. For the record, I am fine with PC back next season, but what Nicholson had to say does not inspire a tremendous amount of confidence in the management group moving forward. I hope I’m wrong.

  149. Georges says:

    Ryan,

    That’s a nice thing to say. Thank you.

  150. Cassandra says:

    frjohnk: This can not be fucking true.

    Are you surprised? Truly?

    Everything Chiarelli has done since he was hired has screamed not simply incompetence but stupidity.

    That Nicholson is equally stupid is exceedingly believable.

  151. StixMalone says:

    They’ve known they were out of the playoffs since January. Why are they still evaluating? What are the evaluating now that they don’t already know? I guess we will never find out….

  152. SwedishPoster says:

    Wayne Kenov: Seemed to me Nicholson understands the difficulties from internal forces that hinder Chiarelli. Maybe like some on here he believes Chia needs to be uncuffed.

    When Chia first took the job he said several times that one condition was that he had last say in all things hockey. He has to be evaluated based on that statement, you can’t use internal forces as an excuse if the man himself publically stated he demanded final say to take the job in the first place. By making that statement he accepts full responsibility for all the success and failures of the on ice product. Can’t really hide behind OBC or coaches or players not performing the way they were supposed to. He obviously can’t do everything by himself but he’s in charge of putting the right people in the right spots. If he let’s people around him persuade him into bad decisions he’s either too weak to be in the position he wanted when taking on the job or he’s too stupid to know who’s worth listening to. Either way it’s on him. That’s the job he took.

  153. Bling says:

    krakman:
    Who is more incompetent at their job Nicholson or Chiarelli?

    The Chia regime is what Pinky and the Brain would look like with no Brain.

  154. Bling says:

    Georges:
    Ryan,

    That’s a nice thing to say. Thank you.

    Georges, I don’t necessarily always reply to your posts, but your analysis is excellent and I always look forward to hearing what you have to say. Keep ’em coming!

  155. Pink Socks says:

    Cassandra: Are you surprised?Truly?

    Everything Chiarelli has done since he was hired has screamed not simply incompetence but stupidity.

    That Nicholson is equally stupid is exceedingly believable.

    PC has done some nice things, but you are correct. Nicholson’s comments regarding the cap are so dumbfounding it is unbelievable. There is no way someone in his role should be so irresponsible that a conversation over the past 12 months about how in the hell the 18-19 cap would be managed has not occurred many times.

    It’s either under control, or it’s not.

    I have a new order of poor management over the past 24 months:

    5) Eberle for Strome and then not using cap space
    4) Lucic’s term
    3) Reinhart
    2) Russell’s 4×4 NMC
    1) Not having a clue how to reconcile a tight cap next season

  156. Jethro Tull says:

    StixMalone:
    They’ve known they were out of the playoffs since January. Why are they still evaluating? What are the evaluating now that they don’t already know? I guess we will never find out….

    *Graham Chapman, British Army Officer Uniform, Eton Accent.*

    It was discovered, last year when the team wasn’t doing well, that there discrepancies in the evaluation. Thus started an evaluation of the evaluation. However, there was a problem; the original evaluation was actually an audit which never went anywhere. Now why this new evaluation is taking so long will be subject to an inquiry, followed by a tribunal. Should these prove to be unsatisfactory, a comprehensive, no-stone-unturned review will be carried out. In the event of a tie, the decision will decided by the ON Poll, which we’re all sure will be impartial.

    Now stop that, it’s silly!

  157. commonfan29 says:

    I’m so glad Matheson used the first question of the presser to ask about Paul Coffey’s status.

    Priorities people!

  158. StixMalone says:

    Jethro Tull,

    Thank you for a straighter answer than the last 2 press conferences gave me. I’ll evaluate this however long it takes

  159. commonfan29 says:

    Remember when Lowe introduced MacT as GM after Tambo’s ouster and the media all went after them to the point that Lowe launched into his “if that’s ever a concern” bit?

    What happened?

  160. Pretendergast says:

    Scott Cullen

    Verified account

    @tsnscottcullen
    Nicholson says that Chiarelli has a great relationship with other GMs and that allows him to make trades. I bet it does.

    Lol

  161. RonnieB says:

    I don’t know where others are finding their information or what they are using to interpret Bob’s comments, but i listened to the archived press conference and heard something different.
    When asked about the impact of Connor’s salary on the future Cap his reply was along the lines of…
    yes we have looked at that and we believe there will be room to improve the team within the Cap.

  162. leadfarmer says:

    We have finally completed our audit. It turns out our solution was worse than the problem

  163. Das Zuke says:

    While the negative comments are definitely warranted the announcements from management at all levels over the last few days should not come as any surprise.

    In defence of Chia, over the summer he was looking at a team that by all rights should have been playing in the western conference final (cheated by the refs out of 2 games). Many Oilers had career years and Chia felt the young players would continue to improve…hence no significant changes in the team roster. The plan regarding money that he did not spend was going to snag us 1 or 2 good players at the trade deadline and put this team over the top come playoff time.

    Needless to say, Chis’s plan, while somewhat logical at the time, unfolded poorly…to say the least. Most of the players underperformed, key injuries to players (which we basically avoided last year adding to the team;s success) also played a significant part in the team’s downfall.

    Last year MacLellan was nominated for coach of the year. While I do believe he knows his hockey, he must also play with the hand that was dealt to him. Chai’s failure to address the team’s short comings in certain positions (especially a R D for the power play) definitely handicapped the coach. On the other hand MacLellan’s deploymnet of players was quite questionable at tmes. He proved to be quite stubborn on, much like Eakins with the “swarm”….keeping Lucic with McDavid and on the power play forever when it was obvious to all that Lucic could not handle the assignments …that was just bad coacing. To McLellan’s credit the PP over the last 25 games was amongst the BEST in the league…but appropriate adjustments were way too late and the damage was already done.

    People forget how the Oilers were pummelled in the Pacific division and Chia arrived and addressed this issue knowing the Oil could not compete unless they got heavier and stronger. Unfortunately shortly after acquiring Lucic, the league dramatically changed their rules so that speed and skill would now rule the day. Not completely Chia’s fault. At the time, I thought Lucic would be a good addition …I admit I cursed his name at many of the games that i attended or watched….hopefully he’s better next year (can he be any worse?).

    Chia and MacLellan have longer term contracts for big money, probably part of the decision to give each one another chance. Chia is aware of the leagues new emphasis on speed and skill….let us see what he does about it. Oilers are about 3-4 pieces away from icing a very good team. Over the summer Chia can either go from Zero to hero or will be driven out of town along with MacLellan if playoffs are missed.

    I am a season ticket holder and like many others, based on the succes of the previous year, will give the management team one more chance to correct their ways or I will not renew my tickets after next season.

    We wait and we will see.

  164. StixMalone says:

    I figured it out. Nobody gets fired until Bob figures out Skype. MacT is having a management professional day in May where he will be teaching Bob and Chia how to use Skype efficiently. He has the latest trial version up and running but MacT still has to evaluate this latest beta version. Once the audit and evaluation are completed there will be a 2 month learning curve for all management to get on board with the technology. Once familiarized with Skype they should be more comfortable and efficient with it. This should take us into August when we will see the gradual implementation of dismissals…

  165. Bling says:

    Pretendergast:
    Scott Cullen

    Verified account

    @tsnscottcullen
    Nicholson says that Chiarelli has a great relationship with other GMs and that allows him to make trades. I bet it does.

    Lol

    Good grief.

  166. Doug McLachlan says:

    Loving the desire for clear blood on the floor people. I get it, but nothing here is unexpected. This all has been signaled since Bob’s After Hours’ continuity chat.

    The two big takeaways this week are: keeping Nuge, Puljujarvi still part of the plan.

    This is positive in my eyes.

  167. godot10 says:

    russ99: I disagree. Puljujarvi Had an 8.8 shooting percentage and has missed the net myriad times when given good feeds. He’s not there yet as a shooter,

    I think it was smart to keep him on a lower line, and learn the tricks of the cycle trade from Lucic and other lessons playing third line minutes.

    We can’t have it both ways, we rip on how the Austins didn’t get enough development time to make them better all-round players and how Yakupov was ruined by Eakins with his hit something every shift nonsense, but now we’re not OK with a big player learning a two way game and how to play against NHL players on a lower, softer minute line.

    Truth is he’s not ready for a top 6 role or a shooter role on the powerplay and for the first time in forever we’re not rushing a kid into a high role, and letting him find his feet first. Had we any kind of forward prospects, he’d be learning this in Bakersfield. But he’s shown already he’s too good for Bakersfield.

    Puljujarvi is NOT a shooter. He is an all around talent. His shot is pretty good. Laine is a shooter….an elite shooter.

    Puljujarvi needs a stable spot and role on the roster with a couple of competent veterans, which is something McLellan never gave him. I really don’t care what line it is on. But give the guy a spot, and let him play, and then coach his play. The handling of Puljujarvi by this coach is one of several reasons this team needs a different coach.

    This coach puts very little effort in players that take work on his part.

  168. Pretendergast says:

    RonnieB:
    I don’t know where others are finding their information or what they are using to interpret Bob’s comments, but i listened to the archived press conference and heard something different.
    When asked about the impact of Connor’s salary on the future Cap his reply was along the lines of…
    yes we have looked at that and we believe there will be room to improve the team within the Cap.

    Reporter: could I go back to the cap for just a minute. This year Connor Mcdavid’s big deal kicks in right? Are you foreseeing any problem being able to handle things as they are when the cap is going to be much different?

    Bob: “Yeah, we haven’t gone into great depth on that but we feel when we’ve looked at that that there’s a, we will be a cap team or very close to the cap team and we’ll be able to make some movement to strengthen this team.”

  169. Munny says:

    McSorley33:
    knighttown,

    Lots to be angry about but a minor quibble on the rhetoric around the Montoya trade “during a lost season”. It was looking damned dire at that point but it wasn’t completely lost (or at least the GM shouldn’t have been completely folding the tent. And LB was 100% done at that point…not able to even give us a remote chance at winning.
    *********************************************************************************
    We were nowhere near a playoff spot by US Thanksgiving.

    Even your own words ‘damned dire’ ….

    32 year old Al Montoya was – never – going to fix ‘damned dire’ situation.

    We had 2 regulation wins in the whole month of October – which was when I personally made
    the call on the season.

    They were Bettman .500 I believe on Dec 23.

    The playoffs were certainly in reach at that point.

  170. Rondo says:

    Pink Socks,

    Don’t forget never got a back-up goalie.

  171. RonnieB says:

    LT:
    When i read your comment about a possible buyout or trade of Sekera, my gut reaction was…why not Russell ? I decided to take a more rational look at that choice.

    I am assuming ( and i think it is reasonable ) that the Oilers’ main Cap trouble comes in the next two seasons. In 2020 the NMC restrictions are eased, the cost of buyout diminishes, the Seattle expansion draft offers the prospect of unloading an undesirable contract, and the chance of compliance buyouts might arise.
    On that basis i looked at the effect of buyout of Sekera or Russell contract according to Cap-Friendly.
    Sekera buyout results in Cap savings of ( rounded numbers ) $3.9 million in 2018/19 and $2.9 million in 2019/20.
    Russell buyout results in Cap savings of $3.4 million in 2018/19 and $2.9 million in 2019/20.

    If it were my choice, my decision would be an easy one.

  172. Georges says:

    I’m backing down on Nicholson. He did the right thing.

    This is my guy. I hired him to do a job. He has full authority to do that job. Next question.

    Maybe the internet is upset that PC didn’t grovel at his news conference.

    What’s he supposed to say about his players? I’m sorry I picked such terrible players and signed them to such implausible contracts? I can fix it. Give me another chance, grovel, grovel, grovel…

    Or, I picked players I believed in. I put together a team I goddamned believed in. I’m not happy with how the team performed. They performed far worse as a team than what I, the people in this room, and the people around the league expected going into the season. So, yeah, I’m not happy. I have work to do.

    PC can navel gaze and hash out all his errors in thinking and decision-making while watching Bridesmaids alone in his basement home theater. Drink and stare vacantly at Maya Rudolph and Kristen Wiig acting out life closing in, loneliness, rising panic, and the small, sustaining joys of love and friendship. Mope and come back strong, just like Kristen. Heartwarming and uproarious! But the mob should never see its leaders sweat.

    As for McLellan, he has the day to day relationship. He’s the one working day to day to get the most, individually and collectively, out of his players. A little harder to pull off the it’s on them, we need a roster overhaul ploy in year 3.

    Good on Nicholson to publicly get out of PC’s way.

  173. Pretendergast says:

    Das Zuke,

    Not expecting manager’s to own up and pay the price for their failures is the reason we continue to fail, it’s that cut and dry.

    That gives zero incentive for any sort of change and it has been said for a decade.

    Give them one more year sure, it’s your money and you deserve to use it however you see fit of course.

    One more year, just one more year.

    Edit: to be clear, I did enjoy your post and it was well thought out, I’m just mad, carry on

  174. Munny says:

    Das Zuke,

    Nice post. Please post more often.

  175. Jethro Tull says:

    godot10: Puljujarvi is NOT a shooter.He is an all around talent.His shot is pretty good.Laine is a shooter….an elite shooter.

    Puljujarvi needs a stable spot and role on the roster with a couple of competent veterans, which is something McLellan never gave him.I really don’t care what line it is on.But give the guy a spot, and let him play, and then coach his play.The handling of Puljujarvi by this coach is one of several reasons this team needs a different coach.

    This coach puts very little effort in players that take work on his part.

    In which case, how come Ty Rattie figured out what JP couldn’t with McDavid? And if I remember rightly, JP has played with just about everyone, with differing success.

    What I don’t think you can handle is that he might actually be being developed correctly – soft parade 3rd line with Strome/Lucic/Khaira.

    He’s not being asked to go against the toughs, be McDavid’s shooter, or push the river. However, a completely expendable asset in Rattie is being given that, because if he fails, then no-one cares – in fact, if he succeeds, then even better.

    The Oilers know JP will be a good player, but weren’t you then one likening him to Hossa, or at least advocating turning him in to Hossa? Hossa is a pretty good shot….

  176. Georges says:

    Bling,

    Also a nice thing to say. Thank you.

  177. Wayne Kenov says:

    SwedishPoster: When Chia first took the job he said several times that one condition was that he had last say in all things hockey. He has to be evaluated based on that statement, you can’t use internal forces as an excuse if the man himself publically stated he demanded final say to take the job in the first place. By making that statement he accepts full responsibility for all the success and failures of the on ice product. Can’t really hide behind OBC or coaches or players not performing the way they were supposed to. He obviously can’t do everything by himself but he’s in charge of putting the right people in the right spots. If he let’s people around him persuade him into bad decisions he’s either too weak to be in the position he wanted when taking on the job or he’s too stupid to know who’s worth listening to. Either way it’s on him. That’s the job he took.

    Having final say only goes so far when there is so much groupwork. Especially when several members of your group have gigantic sway in the organization, and are very stubborn and stupid. You can’t always go against the grain, even if you are right. See Ed Hervey. He is gone because he didn’t listen to the powers that be. Nothing to do with ability. Chia has a tightrope to walk, as do all of us who work for someone. If that is how Bob percieves it, then I tend to trust him. We have seen this play before. That doesn’t mean Chia is a good GM, or doesn’t deserve blame, but it makes it difficult to evaluate him (if you actually want to fix the problem). Similar to TMac. Yes he made mistakes (I’m not a TMac supporter), but his roster was dogshit, so his performance enters a grey area.

  178. Pink Socks says:

    Rondo:
    Pink Socks,

    Don’t forget never got a back-up goalie.

    True, but I find that one less egregious considering the HC will run Talbot for 75 games.

  179. RonnieB says:

    Pretendergast,

    Pretendergast: Reporter: could I go back to the cap for just a minute. This year Connor Mcdavid’s big deal kicks in right? Are you foreseeing any problem being able to handle things as they are when the cap is going to be much different?

    Bob: “Yeah, we haven’t gone into great depth on that but we feel when we’ve looked at that that there’s a, we will be a cap team or very close to the cap team and we’ll be able to make some movement to strengthen this team.”

    Thanks for confirming and expanding my recollection of his comments.

  180. godot10 says:

    tileguy:
    Bob, so what you are saying is that the organization is happy with the Lucic, Russell contracts, as well as the Griffin Reinhart trade?

    Chiarelli gets mullilgans on Hall, Lucic, and Reinhart because everyone else in management and coaching was 100% for those moves, probably more than Chiarelli was himself.

    Katz would have to fire everybody if he wanted to fire the people responsible for Hall, Lucic, and Reinhart.

    Those moves were collective insanity and incompetence.

  181. Jethro Tull says:

    Internet: Just admit you fucked up, Pete. Apologise. Nothing will happen, we promise. It’ll be cathartic for all; we can go karting afterwards…..

    Pete: I…..I……I’m so sorry….I was under pressure and made mistakes. *breaks down into tears*

    Internet: I’m afraid sorry isn’t going to cut it, Petey boy…

    Pete: B-b-b-but you said…..

    Internet: Yeah, we know what we said.

  182. Pretendergast says:

    RonnieB,

    We HAVEN’T gone into great depth, and we’re a cap team that can make moves…somehow. I guess everyone reads it differently.

  183. Pretendergast says:

    Jethro Tull,

    Beautiful hahaha

  184. Rondo says:

    Pretendergast:
    Scott Cullen

    Verified account

    @tsnscottcullen
    Nicholson says that Chiarelli has a great relationship with other GMs and that allows him to make trades. I bet it does.

    Lol

    Thats because Chiarelli is the candy man he gives away players for free. There will be banners in every stadium for Chiarelli before he gets fired.

  185. dustrock says:

    Doug McLachlan:
    Loving the desire for clear blood on the floor people.I get it, but nothing here is unexpected.This all has been signaled since Bob’s After Hours’ continuity chat.

    The two big takeaways this week are: keeping Nuge, Puljujarvi still part of the plan.

    This is positive in my eyes.

    Doug, nothing this sadsack franchise does is surprising.

    What is surprising is the general level of cluelessness shown by Chiarelli and Nicholson.

    It’s like they are surprised people are so upset. Making comments like “bring your lunch pail” and “we haven’t looked at ” the cap situation with McDavid yet are just so illuminating about this franchise and how they run things.

    Nicholson says his job is to speak to Katz (in LA). He keeps Katz happy, tells Darryl the kids aren’t buying into McLellan’s system.

    Chia and Nicholson probably say Mclellan is too old for this new NHL, we didn’t see this coming, honest mistake.

    The players learned a lot this year, next year will be different.

    Could they at least apologize to the fans and say “we thought we might have some mishaps but this was a terrible season and it can’t happen again.”

    Can they not say “our eyes are fixed on one thing only: The Stanley Cup”?

    This is like Lebron James going to Cleveland and the Cavs saying “we’re really hoping for the playoffs!”.

    No! You’re planning on a title.

  186. digger50 says:

    Georges:
    I’m backing down on Nicholson. He did the right thing.

    This is my guy. I hired him to do a job. He has full authority to do that job. Next question.

    Maybe the internet is upset that PC didn’t grovel at his news conference.

    What’s he supposed to say about his players? I’m sorry I picked such terrible players and signed them to such implausible contracts? I can fix it. Give me another chance, grovel, grovel, grovel…

    Or, I picked players I believed in. I put together a team I goddamned believed in. I’m not happy with how the team performed. They performed far worse as a team than what I, the people in this room, and the people around the league expected going into the season. So, yeah, I’m not happy. I have work to do.

    PC can navel gaze and hash out all his errors in thinking and decision-making while watching Bridesmaids alone in his basement home theater. Drink and stare vacantly at Maya Rudolph and Kristen Wiig acting out life closing in, loneliness, rising panic, and the small, sustaining joys of love and friendship. Heartwarming and uproarious! But the mob should never see its leaders sweat.

    As for McLellan, he has the day to day relationship. He’s the one working day to day to get the most, individually and collectively, out of his players. A little harder to pull off the it’s on them, we need a roster overhaul ploy in year 3.

    Good on Nicholson to publicly get out of PC’s way.

    The best question to me was on what basis do you evaluate your GM?

    That is where Bob goes into Peters “plan”. This plan must have been discussed and agreed upon. Bob supported the plan and still does.

    IF the plan was to win the Stanley Cup, or to maximize Connors ELC then he could evaluate failure. But that was not the plan as such.

    So it seems to me the plan as it is (whatever it is) is still in place and progressing, despite this years setvack. Evaluating Peter against what he said he would do, does he come out okay? He must.

    And Bob cannot “put him on notice” or “provide him with oversight” without cutting his feet out from under him.

    As Bob supports Peter, it’s looking worse and worse for Todd.

  187. Georges says:

    Das Zuke: To McLellan’s credit the PP over the last 25 games was amongst the BEST in the league…

    You mean the PK, right? It WAS the best in the League since Feb. 15th, the Oilers’ last 27 games.

    The PP was 28th over that time.

  188. godot10 says:

    Jethro Tull:

    What I don’t think you can handle is that he might actually be being developed correctly – soft parade 3rd line with Strome/Lucic/Khaira.

    What you describe above has NOT happened for any length of time over the last two years.

    LIke I said, I want a stable spot with two competent vets, and let him play and coach him. That has NOT happened in two years. I’m fine with it being the 3rd line.

    But all McLellan has done in two years is jerk the guy around.

  189. --hudson-- says:

    Nicholson’s availability part 1 of 2

    Source video:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eG1yseNkFec
    ————————————————–
    NICHOLSON: …the Oiler situation, I just want to again take us back to the tragedy in Humboldt. You know in my old career with Hockey Canada, dealing with junior hockey players and minor hockey across the country, the outcry and support in Canada’s been unbelievable, but across the world, and it is in our DNA as Canadians. And when you look at the families that have been affected here, you know they’re young boys who were part of hockey. You know the bus rides is what the game is all about. Our thoughts and prayers are with them, from OEG, from all our players and staff, and I think you saw the press release. We will be holding a service here on Tuesday at 1 o’clock and we invite all of the public here to go into this service. So again to all the families, our thoughts and prayers are with you.

    In regards to the Oilers, I know there’s been a lot of different comments being made, we are in an evaluation process. I’m here today to tell you that the President & General Manager of the Edmonton Oilers, Peter Chiarelli will be the General Manager next year. We are going through the process with not just the coaches, but with everyone, within the hockey operations and within the OEG staff. Peter, when I look at that, I really believe in his plan. Over the last number of years, in the last number of months we’ve been meeting with a lot of our season ticket holders. There’s been anger and disappointment of where we ended up, and we certainly understand where they are, and we will have a plan coming out here in the near future of how we’re going forward. Any questions?

    Q (Matheson): Is Paul Coffey coming back to the Oilers next year?
    NICHOLSON: Jim, that’s part of the evaluation that we’re looking at right now. All those pieces, all the coaching staff, all of that’s under review, and we’ll have something in the near future.

    Q (Matheson): Paul wasn’t around a whole lot this year because of the family commitments, so what was the reasoning bringing him in halfway through the year, and then he wasn’t really around the team all that often?
    NICHOLSON: Yeah I’m not gonna get too deep into that, but we really thought that it was important. Paul has a great resource we knew we wouldn’t be able to use it a lot, because he was coaching his son, and I think Paul contributed, and we’ll evaluate where that’ll go, going forward.

    Q (Gazzola): Bob, just to clarify Peter comes back as President and GM next season?
    NICHOLSON: Yes, both President and General Manager.
    Q (Gazzola): And secondly, obviously there were tough times this season, and during those tough times the Tampa Bay model came up in discussions. Is that maybe something that you guys look at moving forward, where you want to stay the course, as opposed to maybe taking a different direction with things?
    NICHOLSON: I think we want to do an evaluation and make the decisions that we feel are right, and you know we’re going to make sure that we take the appropriate time to make those decisions, and that’s what’s going on right now.

    Q: Bob, you were definitive that Peter Chiarelli’s returning. When it comes to specifically Todd McClellan, are you prepared to make that commitment about him as the head coach or are he and his three assistants all up in the air?
    NICHOLSON: Yeah it’s all being evaluated at this time. Today I’m just making an announcement that Peter is here, and leading that process.

    Q: And can I ask, what makes you confident in Peter after a difficult year that he should just stick around?
    NICHOLSON: Yeah, you know once I came in here three years ago as the CEO, hired Peter Chiarelli, I’ve seen his plans, and what he’s done. A lot of it you don’t see, what he’s done with the scouting component of this organization. And yes, we had a down year, but I really believe when I talked to Peter, he has a plan to get us back in the playoffs next year, and we’ll unveil that plan once we go through this evaluation.

    Q (Greggor): Is the playoffs… is it make or bust then for Peter Chiarelli at this point? If he doesn’t make it next, do you see him sticking around with it? Because I don’t think the plan of missing three out of four years could have been the proper plan.
    NICHOLSON: Our goal is to make the playoffs next year.

    Q (Rishaug): Bob if you can, I know you speak on behalf of upper management, but also the owner. Can you maybe just take us through the sentiment expressed to you by Darryl Katz, the owner of this team, who we don’t necessarily get to talk to, but where his head is at after the disappointment that this season was and you know how he feels about all of this? Because I know in some ways you speak for him too.
    NICHOLSON: Yeah you know what, there’s probably no different than everyone in this room, and the fans. There’s big disappointment. You know last year was pretty exciting, for the first time under his ownership, that we made the playoffs. He’s disappointed, angered, and wants us to get it right, and certainly in my discussions, he’s waiting to hear the recommendations that I’ll make after the discussion with Peter.

    Q (Terry Jones): Bob in the past you’ve referred to this organization as having, putting words in your mouth but as I understand it, far too many turnovers in coaching staffs. What part will you play in the decision, and having already expressed that view, where do you sit on the potential of apparently replacing a coach?
    NICHOLSON: Yeah you know what Jonesy, it’s a good question and you always want to make sure that you look into the past, but you know our real focus is on the future. Where we’re gonna go. We all know what’s happened over the last number of years here, I’m certainly gonna listen to Peter, and then my job is to listen to that, and then take that to the ownership and Darryl Katz.

    Q (Bryan Hall): Bob, as a hockey man though, let’s take a look at where the game is today and the fact that, and I’m not trying to make excuses here, but it may not be the easiest thing to get this club back into the playoffs with any kind of assurance to the fan, because half of the teams that are in the playoffs now weren’t there last year, and clubs that were very good miss the playoffs, and teams that were last like Colorado are in the playoffs. So I’m asking you, from the standpoint as a hockey guy looking at the league itself, and what’s taking place, doesn’t that have a really big effect on what’s happening here too?
    NICHOLSON: You know what, Gary Bettman loves the league the way it is today because it is so competitive, but this league, in this organization, is evaluated on wins and loss, and our jobs to get back into the playoffs. Yes, it’s very tough, you heard Peter the other day, talking about our roster and players. It underachieved, we have to really evaluate that, we have very good pieces, we just have to make sure that we evaluate all of those pieces, and make sure we put the right pieces in place to get into that playoffs, which is very difficult, but we have one goal, and that’s to make sure that we’re back in there.

    Q: Bob, Peter Chiarelli has made some moves that maybe the return hasn’t been as good as hoped I guess. My question is, does he still have total autonomy in making those moves, or does he have to go through you now, or is it a process?
    NICHOLSON: Yeah you know and all of that… you know, so Peter leads the hockey operation side, we talk on that all the time, and I do the majority of the communication to ownership. But Peters Chiarelli, we have other people around us that give us, give him input, but it’s Peter Chiarelli’s job to do that.

  190. --hudson-- says:

    Nicholson’s availability part 2 of 2

    Source video:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eG1yseNkFec
    ————————————————–
    Q (Principe): Hi Bob, sorry just to the back-left here. Can you maybe just describe a little bit of your working relationship, and maybe off-ice sort of rapport with Todd, and what you have liked about what he’s been able to do, and I’m not sure if you want to take it further, as to maybe what you don’t like, but just the kind of guy that you’ve been able to get to know?
    NICHOLSON: You know what, I’m not gonna go too deep into that, but you know I think Todd McClellan’s past speaks for itself. He was up for coach of the year, Todd is a person that really uses all his assets, uses his assistant coaches, and in the competitive environment that we’re in, in the National Hockey League, I think you have to make sure that you use all those resources. We’re gonna certainly evaluate those, have those discussions on all the resources, that are there, and how do you put all that together to go forward in a positive manner.

    Q (Rishaug): Bob, one of the things that happened this year is you… I mean you finished the season out of the playoffs, and that was below expectations, but you did so with a lot of space on the salary cap. Was that a misstep? Because I know that Darryl Katz is committed to spending whatever he needs to spend, yet you missed the playoffs this year, and the appearance with that cap space is more could have been done.
    NICHOLSON: You know what, certainly it’s a question there. We know what Connor McDavid’s salary is gonna be next year. So anything that we do, we’re looking at a one and two and three-year plan. So that’s why the cap was where it was this year for our organization.

    Q (Terry Jones): Just for the sake of clarity, when it comes to the coach and the coaching, do you have any indication of whether Todd considers his staff a part of his package, or whether it’s possible to keep Todd, and maybe release some of his assistant coaches? Straighten that out for us.
    NICHOLSON: Yeah I don’t really want to get into that, that’s part of the evaluation process, and we’re going through.

    Q (Greggor): Bob when you look at, you know you mentioned there’s underachieving certain players, I think that’s fair. I think it’s probably safe to say then there’s underachieving then from management and coaches at the same time. So when you talk about Peters plan, what is it that excites you moving for, that you believe success will come?
    NICHOLSON: I really believe that Peter, really thinks through everything that he does. I really believe that he understands where our gaps were this year and making those changes aren’t easy as you all know in this room. So we have to make sure that we have a number of different situations to move forward. And Peter Chiarelli’s got a very good relationship with other general managers in this league, to make those trades or exchanges easier than someone that doesn’t have those great relationships could.

    Q (Bryan Hall): If I go back to the cap for just a minute. This year Connor McDavid’s big deal kicks in, right. Are you foreseeing any problem being able to handle things as they are, when the cap is going to be much different?
    NICHOLSON: Yeah, we haven’t gone into great depth on that. But we feel when we’ve looked at that, that we will be a cap team, or very close to the cap team, and we’ll be able to make some movement to strengthen this team.

    Q (Principe): Bob, sorry just back-left here. Regarding the evaluation period do you have an idea yet, on sort of your own timeline, of working through this, and then making the decisions you have to make or you want to make?
    NICHOLSON: Yeah I think from my own personal side of it, I’m not a person that’s gonna rush it. We’ll announce it when we’re ready, and do all our homework. I’m not gonna put a timeline to that, but certainly we’re on it now, and when we’re ready to make those decisions we’ll announce those to everybody.

    Q: Bob, just up front here. So this evaluation period then, it’s just all Peter, or are you involved in part of this too?
    NICHOLSON: It’s led by Peter Chiarelli.
    Q: Okay and what about your input in?
    NICHOLSON: I have all of my input with Peter Chiarelli, as we have other people in that situation, and we have two vice chairs, Wayne and Kevin, and there’s lots of things out there. It’s Peters call, he will use those assets as needed.

    Q (Greggor): Bob, obviously Peters involved in the on-ice hockey stuff, you were involved in everything in OEG. I have a lot of people at times who talked about wanting to enhance the fan experience at the game, not just what happens on the ice. Have there been talks in the organization to… you know when you look at, and I know Vegas is very unique because of what they have in that market, but making the game day experience better for the fans who dole out big dime dollars?
    NICHOLSON: Yeah we talked about it all the time, and you know I think the fans in Edmonton are different than in Vegas, although when you talk about the Vegas experience, we had six or seven thousand fans down there. But that’s part of it all the time. I think when you looked at a Canadian fan compared to a US fan they’re different, we saw what happened in Winnipeg last night, you saw what happened when we were in the playoffs here. It changes at certain times, but that’s something we talk about within the organization.

    Q (Greggor): But is there a way then to build that so it just isn’t in the playoffs where you enhance it? I hear a lot of fans complain that they’re told to sit down and not cheer at certain Oiler games.
    NICHOLSON: Yeah that certainly isn’t something that we encourage. We want to try to, you know we bring in Cameron to get the fans out of their seats, we’re looking at different ways to make sure they get up and cheer.

    Q (Matheson): Bob, coaches are evaluated on wins and losses. How do you evaluate a General Manager? Because obviously Peter did a good job last year, did not do a good job this year, if you’re out of the playoffs. So how do you evaluate a General Manager, who obviously is a General Manager of a team that is closer to the bottom than a playoff spot.
    NICHOLSON: Excellent question. Starts with wins and losses, but it also starts with what you’re doing with your scouting group, how you are handling the scouts, and how you’re handling your development. And in all of that Peter’s done a very good job of how he’s organized that. I feel our information that we’re getting, going into this year’s draft, and what we’re doing in the development side is very good. So it’s starts with wins and losses, but those other pieces are very important because a General Manager’s job is to make the organization strong longer-term, a coach’s job is to have that team successful shorter term.

  191. highgloveside says:

    Chia said he would like a do-over on filling a spot for Sekeras injury and also said his gamble on the young group taking a step forward didn’t work as he has hoped. Those are 2 things that he admited to making a mistake and they were major errors so I think it is unfair to say he did’t take any responsibility.

    I didn’t have a problem with him saying the forward scoring was not the problem, they were 11th in 5 on 5 (ahead of PIT) and only 6 goals behind 6th place and only 3 goals behind last year. The PP and PK let them down and the PP is a select group so you can include that when saying forward scoring was not the problem, special teams scoring was, those are 2 different things.

    I don’t think it is up to Chia to evaluate himself publicly, that is for Nichols to do internally based on what the plan was and how he executed it. I am more interested in what the plan is to turn this thing around and I don’t think you can expect that plan 5 days after the season but I expect we will get a good idea around the draft as that is where I expect trades to be made or at least put together and that may or may not include any draft picks.

  192. frjohnk says:

    Pink Socks: True, but I find that one less egregious considering the HC will run Talbot for 75 games.

    If I was TMac and my choice of backups over the last 2 years was
    The Monster
    LB
    Montayo

    not sure I have much of a choice but to run Talbot ragged.

    Nilsson was probably the best goalie not named Cam in the last 3 years and Todd was not afraid to start him.

  193. Wayne Kenov says:

    Pretendergast: Reporter: could I go back to the cap for just a minute. This year Connor Mcdavid’s big deal kicks in right? Are you foreseeing any problem being able to handle things as they are when the cap is going to be much different?

    Bob: “Yeah, we haven’t gone into great depth on that but we feel when we’ve looked at that that there’s a, we will be a cap team or very close to the cap team and we’ll be able to make some movement to strengthen this team.”

    I left after the beginning of the interview. Did he really say that? How can you support a plan that doesn’t include detail on how the most expensive cap hit in nhl history will be managed?

  194. SwedishPoster says:

    Wayne Kenov: Having final say only goes so far when there is so much groupwork. Especially when several members of your group have gigantic sway in the organization, and are very stubborn and stupid. You can’t always go against the grain, even if you are right. See Ed Hervey. He is gone because he didn’t listen to the powers that be. Nothing to do with ability. Chia has a tightrope to walk, as do all of us who work for someone. If that is how Bob percieves it, then I tend to trust him. We have seen this play before. That doesn’t mean Chia is a good GM, or doesn’t deserve blame, but it makes it difficult to evaluate him (if you actually want to fix the problem). Similar to TMac. Yes he made mistakes (I’m not a TMac supporter), but his roster was dogshit, so his performance enters a grey area.

    I don’t disagree. But if you put yourself in the position Chia did you better be prepared to take on the critique head on fair or not. And if you are limited by the group around you to do your job well you better work hard to change your situation or find a different job unless you’re only doing it for the money/fame/status and don’t bother with your performance.

    I agree that it’s hard to analyze his quality as a GM due to the overall state of the org but he’s there to do a certain job, GM of the Oilers, part of that is to navigate some tricky waters and if you can’t do it you’re not a good GM for the Oilers. There’s always politics when you’re in a leadership role but handling that is also part of it. Especially in a dysfunctional org like the Oilers, takes a special person to do it, while I don’t think Chia is all bad, far from it, I’m not sure he’s that person.

    But yeah, for the Oilers to be a well run organization there probably has to be a complete clean out, top to bottom.
    Either that or they go full OBC and put #99 in charge. He’s the only one who would hold enough clot to not be questioned or backstabbed by the rest of the boys. I’m not sure he’d be a good enough GM for it to matter though but at least he’d be respected everywhere he went.

  195. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    John Chambers:
    Dustylegnd,

    Like, thank God Nuge killed it on 97’s line to end the year or we’d see him traded for Justin Faulk.

    I think Justin Faulk might be the poster boy for “offensive Dman who gets points, but doesn’t actually add any value”

    Here’s his Relative Teammate GF% – basically the aggregate of his GF% WOWY over the years:

    Player Season RelT GF%
    JUSTIN.FAULK 2012-2013 4.31
    JUSTIN.FAULK 2013-2014 -5.44
    JUSTIN.FAULK 2014-2015 -2.35
    JUSTIN.FAULK 2015-2016 -5.18
    JUSTIN.FAULK 2016-2017 -5.57
    JUSTIN.FAULK 2017-2018 -3.88

    Now, to be fair to Faulk he got thrust into a lot of minutes at 22 years old and played tougher comp forever.

    That said, he’s been 2nd pair the last two years and things haven’t gotten better.

    This is exactly the type of Dman you avoid.

    Everyone’s goal share is worse with him and its persistent over large samples.

    He does this while scoring points so he had a much higher perceived value than his actual value, which looks to be negative.

  196. --hudson-- says:

    The questions today were much better than the questions yesterday. Why did the media ask the CEO about the cap management and not the GM?

    —-

    As a software developer, the words of Nicholson remind me of when I sit in a sales meeting with a client. Before you know it they are talking about features that don’t exist, selling vapour ware, he went too far in my opinion. The net takeaway is Nicholson & Chiarelli have survived their evaluations. Now Chiarelli is going to evaluate the remainder of hockey ops (consulting Gretzky & Lowe if needed). Once his evaluation is ready he’s going to discuss it with Nicholson, and Nicholson is going to bring it to Katz for greenlighting.

    There is no timeline on this evaluation which is a bit of a red flag or maybe its a stall tactic to see what other coaches are fired. You would think they need to get this all in place well before the draft and free agency to make sure the plan is solidified and those let go have a chance to find new work.

  197. OilClog says:

    Jethro Tull: In which case, how come Ty Rattie figured out what JP couldn’t with McDavid?And if I remember rightly, JP has played with just about everyone, with differing success.

    What I don’t think you can handle is that he might actually be being developed correctly – soft parade 3rd line with Strome/Lucic/Khaira.

    He’s not being asked to go against the toughs, be McDavid’s shooter, or push the river.However, a completely expendable asset in Rattie is being given that, because if he fails, then no-one cares – in fact, if he succeeds, then even better.

    The Oilers know JP will be a good player, but weren’t you then one likening him to Hossa, or at least advocating turning him in to Hossa?Hossa is a pretty good shot….

    Why were only Rattie and Lucic given rope with 97?
    Why was Drake constantly pushed?
    Why was Slepy treated like a mule?
    Why was Mark Letestu trotted out in every situation?

    Is playing Jesse with an unmotivated running through the motions Lucic, and never going to be a scoring forward Strome really a smart idea? Who expect goals with that line? Work on grinding it out kid.

    Games didn’t matter after the trade deadline, wouldn’t you put your talented yet losing confidence player in a more generous position considering you’re now building towards the next season.

    Wouldn’t it serve Jesse better to go into the summer with a 20game segment fresh in his mind of playing top 6 hockey instead of a grinder role?

    Wouldn’t it give him better ideas on what to work on to have success with either 97 or 29?

    Wouldn’t it give the Oilers a better idea what to go after in the summer for the wings, instead of more Unknowns? Sign a stop gap or chase after a more long term solution if it looks like Jesse won’t get there… nah those answers wouldn’t help.

    This roster while flawed is certainly better then what TMac had them playing like.

  198. --hudson-- says:

    –hudson–:
    Q (Terry Jones): Bob in the past you’ve referred to this organization as having, putting words in your mouth but as I understand it, far too many turnovers in coaching staffs.What part will you play in the decision, and having already expressed that view, where do you sit on the potential of apparently replacing a coach?
    NICHOLSON: Yeah you know what Jonesy, it’s a good question and you always want to make sure that you look into the past, but you know our real focus is on the future.Where we’re gonna go.We all know what’s happened over the last number of years here, I’m certainly gonna listen to Peter, and then my job is to listen to that, and then take that to the ownership and Darryl Katz.

    I love this question by Terry Jones. He catches Nicholson on his inconsistency, priorly commenting about continuity, and today he has no endorsement for the coach. Good on Jones for calling him out.

    This is not to say I think McLellan should stay, but more that Nicholson talks too much. On HNIC he’s talking about having two centers (forgetting Nuge) and at least once a year he’s on Toronto radio talking about which Oilers need to be traded. Why does he even comment on personnel? His job is to be CEO, not GM.

  199. pboy says:

    Spector with a pretty scathing piece on the OBC on Sportsnet.ca

  200. OmJo says:

    Confused:
    I think trading the first was a throwaway remark. We are open to it but only for outstanding value.

    Ah yes. This time it will be Griffin Reinhart + rather than 1st round pick +

    In Chia we trust?

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