You Never can Tell

The Edmonton Oilers signed Ty Rattie yesterday. It’s a fabulous opportunity for the player, who has been trying to get a regular gig in the NHL since the fall of 2013. Rattie had a rather short audition but the Oilers are bringing him back for 2018-19. He won’t be the only option for McDavid’s right-wing but he will be the most cost effective.

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  • Ty Rattie is an important signing in that it gives some cover for the right-wing position. Plenty of work to do at the position—ideally there’s so much depth Kailer Yamamoto is forced to Bakersfield—and I do think one veteran addition is required at this spot.
  • Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and Jujhar Khaira are listed here as left-wingers, possible based on the team’s current depth chart. That leaves an opening at 4C, Bob Stauffer has been mentioning Derek Ryan quite a bit this spring.
  • Edmonton needs more forwards who can play successfully away from the puck. Remember Radek Dvorak? Fernando Pisani? Shawn Horcoff? A couple of those forwards will help this group enormously.
  • I’m not against acquiring a RHD this summer, I just think the cost will be too dear.

PROJECTED 2018-19 OPENING NIGHT ROSTER

  • The McDavid line appears here as it ended the season. I’m not certain Rattie can hold the job and the organization will likely attempt to add a veteran, but the signing makes a lot of sense even if the trio lasts 25 games next season. Edmonton needs to find as many skill guys who can play with 97 as possible—and paying them less than $1 million a year is ideal.
  • The Draisaitl line should be able to push the river, I’d look for two new linemates for the big man. His passes are sublime, ideally the team could find a shooter to run with him. James Neal? JVR? I don’t think the Oilers have enough heavy heavy fuel to get that done.
  • The Strome line as above is intriguing, they just didn’t score enough. Ideally, one of McDavid or Draisaitl takes Puljujarvi under their wing beginning in the fall. JP has responsibility too, of course, I wonder how great the disconnect between player and coaches on the calibre of his shot. JP can hammer it but takes a lot of time to release. Is there a way to speed it up?
  • Klefbom—Larsson is a strong combination because the two men complement each other’s skills. Larsson can shut it down and Klefbom can lug that puck out with style.
  • Nurse—Benning would be my choice for second pairing, at least until Sekera establishes he’s back to 100 percent. I’m not sure Nurse can anchor a second pairing but he had several months of quality play in 2017-18.
  • Sekera—Russell would be a strong third pairing if Rej is healthy, in my opinion. Sekera has taken a lot of criticism for his 5×4 play but he’s terrific with fewer men on the ice. I think he and Klefbom can probably handle the power play minutes next season and would rather see that tried than some wacky trade for a RHD with power-play chops.
  • Cam Talbot should regress but I would get him a strong option to serve as insurance and perhaps push the starter.

CONDORS WIN!

Bakersfield ended its season last night, in the last couple of weeks the team found the range offensively and made the playoff race interesting. Some strong performances last night from prospects:

  • Joe Gambardella scored again, added an assist and finishes his rookie pro season 50, 13-6-19. He has a strong two-way reputation and the late season offensive spark breathes some life into his prospect status.
  • Dmitri Samorukov had an assist, finishing 5, 0-2-2 in his audition. Samorukov was drafted out of the OHL, so will be heading back to junior next season. Based on reports, he looked very capable at the AHL level. A good arrow.
  • Cooper Marody played well enough to create a buzz among Oilers fans currently. He finished 1-2-3 and was dangerous in each game. Like Gambardella, we should at least allow for the possibility he spends some time in Edmonton next season.
  • Tyler Vesel doesn’t have a contract but showed well (11, 3-3-6) in his pro audition. All three goals came in the final four games, suggesting he found the range. I wonder if the Oilers attempt to sign Vesel to an AHL deal.
  • Ethan Bear had two assists, finishing his AHL rookie season 37, 6-12-18 (NHLE: 19.4). I think he’ll start next season in the minors but there’s a player here. I love his passing ability 5×5, was less enamored with the power-play work, although relying on a rookie to fix an addled power play is a poor idea. I’m pleased with his season.
  • Laurent Brossoit stopped 22 of 23 last night and finishes the year 29, 2.68 and 9.12. I have zero idea what the plan might be for Brossoit and what the player might want for his own future.

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  1. Mr DeBakey says:

    That leaves an opening at 4C, Bob Stauffer has been mentioning Derek Ryan quite a bit this spring.

    Edmonton needs more forwards who can play successfully away from the puck. Remember Radek Dvorak? Fernando Pisani? Shawn Horcoff? A couple of those forwards will help this group enormously.

    Ryan and Blake Comeau.
    http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=9190

    Strome at 3C for $3MM does not sound like a winning strategy.

  2. Confused says:

    Like most of the shopping list, but for me another goalkeeper is priority 1. KHL so cap only. Bob keeps making similar statements.

    Goalie, fix PK (Ryan) ……..and do we have any cap left?

    Kassian for a winger, minimise cap

    Russell for a RHD, minimise cap

    Even this sounds very tight.

  3. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    The Strome line as above is intriguing, they just didn’t score enough.

    As individuals Khaira, Strome and JP didn’t score enough, but their micro-sample as a line is intriguing.

    They played 28 minutes together as a trio (micro sample)

    CF% 52
    SF% 63%
    GF% 100 (4-0)
    SH% 23.5%
    SV% 100
    PDO 1235

    So 4 goals for in 28 minutes, which translates into 8.57/60, so they will be the best line in the history of hockey.

    Its all obviously sustainable and McLellan should be fired for not seeing it earlier.

    Seriously though, that’s an intriguing line.

  4. ArmchairGM says:

    Slepyshev is conspicuously absent from your lists above. Have the KHL rumours been confirmed?

  5. Lowetide says:

    ArmchairGM:
    Slepyshev is conspicuously absent from your lists above. Have the KHL rumours been confirmed?

    No, I’m just using logic and established past. They don’t love him like they love Caggiula.

  6. Woogie63 says:

    No Slepyshev, has he left? Or do we not resign him?

  7. ArmchairGM says:

    Mr DeBakey:
    That leaves an opening at 4C, Bob Stauffer has been mentioning Derek Ryan quite a bit this spring.


    Edmonton needs more forwards who can play successfully away from the puck. Remember Radek Dvorak? Fernando Pisani? Shawn Horcoff? A couple of those forwards will help this group enormously.

    Ryan and Blake Comeau.
    http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=9190

    Strome at 3C for $3MM does not sound like a winning strategy.

    What does Vermette *spits* at 1 x $1M look like as a 4C option? Best faceoff guy in the league, but can he play?

  8. ArmchairGM says:

    Lowetide: No, I’m just using logic and established past. They don’t love him like they love Caggiula.

    I see. And another thing – I’ve noticed that you generally put Safin on the left wing, is there a specific reason for that? I thought he plays RW.

  9. ArmchairGM says:

    Need more skill on the wing? Bear and a 2019 2nd will bring back Athanasiou.

  10. OriginalPouzar says:

    Signing Vesel should be a no-brainer – not sure why he wouldn’t get a true ELC as opposed to an AHL deal.

  11. ArmchairGM says:

    When Gambardella signed last year I had visions of him running an energy / checking 4th line in the NHL next October – with Caggiula and Kassian. Not sure that’s realistic now, but I still think those guys could create havoc with their energy game.

  12. Westchester Oil says:

    Looking at LT’s projected roster, I see cap room of $2.3 million (80-77.7). This includes potential bonuses of $2.5 mln for JP and $0.2 mln for Kailer. With this in mind, we should be comfortable going right up to the cap because the bonus allowance should offset other contingencies. I will add an adjustment of $0.2 mln because I hope Chiarelli wouldn’t give Strome more than $3 mln. This leaves us at $2.5 mln for upgrades at F, D or G or changing Nurse from an assumed bridge at $3.3 mln to something longer term. Trading Strome or Kassian could give us more flexibility. Hopefully one of Russell or Sekera could be moved in the summer of 2019. Overall, not great but all is not lost.

  13. Confused says:

    Woogie63,

    Bloggers who follow the KHL claim he has agreed terms with CSKA Moscow. Not idea if they are correct.

  14. Lowetide says:

    ArmchairGM: I see. And another thing – I’ve noticed that you generally put Safin on the left wing, is there a specific reason for that? I thought he plays RW.

    Mostly for convenience, he has played center as well. When coming NA, lots of European forwards who shoot left play the right-wing (and vice versa). Quite often the NA coaching staffs change that to align with their shooting side. Suspect we see it with Safin, but we’ll see.

  15. dustrock says:

    Just saw the Deadspin article on the Oilers not firing Chiarelli. Certainly seems like we are the laughing stock of the league and I’m not sure the organization necessarily understands that.

    I was thinking last night that Chiarelli has lucked or been clever enough to pick jobs where the teams are already loaded with elite talent.

    He has never been in a position where he has had to acquire elite talent.

    He maybe brought Chara with him, but Chara was UFA and then the Bruins already had Bergeron Marchand Krejci etc in the system.

    Wheeler was only there because he didn’t want to play for the Coyotes.

    Kessel, Wheeler, Seguin out. People brought in were of lesser quality and/or older.

    Comes to the Oilers who are gifted McDavid and already had Hall, Nuge, Draisaitl etc.

    Out go Hall, Eberle, Schultz, players brought in were of lesser quality and/or.older.

    I can’t think of a single trade Chiarelli has ever made where he has brought in a more talented player.

    So now we are trusting him to bring in talent on the wings and D.

    Imagine if you had a team that didn’t already have elite talent to work with. What’s Chiarelli’s track record and why would you hire him?

  16. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Westchester Oil,

    – Yes – makes sense. I don’t why Kailer, would be pegged as the RW2, while Pool is RW3

    – For the team to be really humming, you have to hope that Kailer and Pool can play top-9 in the next 2 seasons (Kailer, on a speedy skill soft line should and Pool is decent 5×5 scoring already)

    – And you need to hope that Jar can be a top-9 guy

    – You also need another D to emerge from within the org next 24 months

    – Sure sign Vanek or Cammi, but you aren’t going to win with them IMO…

    – And of course you need to know Lucic

    *I wonder if MacT is a Burgundy or Bordeaux guy? I guess Burgundy. Probably nothing under a hundo either: only the boss’s good stuff

    – Myself, I’m a Bordeaux guy: I got spoiled as a student dong a Masters in Paris: drank amazing Bordeaux for like 25 Francs (like 6 bucks). If I was splurging: for 50 Francs you could get a monster Bordeaux. Then when I moved back to Canada, for 50 bucks you get sh$t Bordeaux!

  17. Pescador says:

    Lowetide: No, I’m just using logic and established past. They don’t love him like they love Caggiula.

    Thank you for posting the projected Cap roster, couple of minor quibbs;
    Kassian for future considerations, much as I like Zack $2 mL fourth line winger is not a luxury the Oilers can afford.
    Cagguila, I wouldn’t pay him a cent more than Rattie.
    Strome $2.75 or less or bye.
    That’s an additional $2.6 M in cap savings
    Although I believe Darnell’s new contract will eat up an additional $1M above the $3.3 M that you projected

  18. Oilman99 says:

    Westchester Oil,

    We need to make enough room to add a trigger man for Drai that can score twenty goals atleast. Secondary scoring is of the utmost importance.

  19. Oilman99 says:

    Pescador: Thank you for posting the projected Cap roster, couple of minor quibbs;
    Kassian for future considerations, much as I like Zack $2 mL fourth line winger is not a luxury the Oilers can afford.
    Cagguila, I wouldn’t pay him a cent more than Rattie.
    Strome $2.75 or less or bye.
    That’s an additional $2.6 M in cap savings
    Although I believe Darnell’s new contract will eat up an additional $1M above the $3.3 M that you projected

    Kassian has lost focus again,does not bring it every game,time to move on.

  20. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Got some WoodMonies from G on EDM Dcrorpse for this past season.

    WARNING: This post will be a wall of data.

    TOI % VS ELITE FORWARDS
    Adam Larsson 35.8%
    Darnell Nurse 35.4%
    Oscar Klefbom 32.0%
    Kris Russell 31.5%
    Ethan Bear 31.0%
    Eric Gryba 29.7%
    Matt Benning 24.9%
    Yohann Auvitu 19.5%
    Andrej Sekera 19.3%

    DFF% VS ELITE FORWARDS
    Eric Gryba 59.6
    Yohann Auvitu 56.2
    Oscar Klefbom 52.4
    Matt Benning 51.9
    Darnell Nurse 48.9
    Adam Larsson 48.6
    Kris Russell 45.4
    Andrej Sekera 36.0
    Ethan Bear 35.3

    GF% VS ELITE FORWARDS
    Eric Gryba 83.3 (5-1)
    Yohann Auvitu 76.9 (10-3)
    Darnell Nurse 56.2 (18-14)
    Matt Benning 55.6 (15-12)
    Adam Larsson 52.0 (13-12)
    Oscar Klefbom 51.5 (17-16)
    Kris Russell 44.8 (13-16)
    Ethan Bear 40.0 (2-3)
    Andrej Sekera 12.5 (1-7)

    Overall the Dcorp did decent to well vs Elite Forwards.

    Don’t get too excited about Gryba & Auvitu here, they had all of 80 & 82 minutes vs Elite Fs

    Pretty sure the main reason was McDavid’s deployment vs Elites so let’s not get too excited here.

    TOI % vs MIDDLE FORWARDS
    Yohann Auvitu 44.3%
    Ethan Bear 43.3%
    Matt Benning 41.0%
    Andrej Sekera 40.5%
    Oscar Klefbom 39.3%
    Kris Russell 37.9%
    Darnell Nurse 37.2%
    Adam Larsson 36.2%
    Eric Gryba 35.7%

    DFF % vs MIDDLE FORWARDS
    Darnell Nurse 55.7
    Oscar Klefbom 53.3
    Adam Larsson 52.3
    Kris Russell 50.4
    Matt Benning 50.3
    Yohann Auvitu 48.2
    Eric Gryba 48.1
    Ethan Bear 47.7
    Andrej Sekera 46.0

    GF% vs Middle Forwards
    Matt Benning 64.3 (18-10)
    Darnell Nurse 58.0 (29-21)
    Adam Larsson 55.6 (20-16)
    Yohann Auvitu 50.0 (7-7)
    Oscar Klefbom 45.7 (16-19)
    Kris Russell 43.6 (17-22)
    Andrej Sekera 42.9 (3-4)
    Ethan Bear 33.3 (3-6)
    Eric Gryba 30.0 (3-7)

    DFF doesn’t match the GF% well, but both match the eye in overall ranking imo. Even with the added information of shot location shot metrics will overrate shot volume simply because you’re counting shots.

    Goals are notoriously noisy in small samples too. The truth lies somewhere in-between imo and these are more guide posts down the path of information until we get more data. (pre-shot puck movement, screens etc)

    TOI% vs Gritensity Forwards
    Andrej Sekera 40.2%
    Yohann Auvitu 36.3%
    Eric Gryba 34.6%
    Matt Benning 34.1%
    Kris Russell 30.6%
    Oscar Klefbom 28.6%
    Adam Larsson 28.1%
    Darnell Nurse 27.4%
    Ethan Bear 25.7%

    DFF% vs Gritensity Forwards
    Adam Larsson 57.2
    Oscar Klefbom 55.1
    Darnell Nurse 54.3
    Kris Russell 52.9
    Yohann Auvitu 51.5
    Matt Benning 51.2
    Eric Gryba 48.9
    Andrej Sekera 44.5
    Ethan Bear 33.6

    GF% vs Gritensity Forwards
    Darnell Nurse 50.0 (19-19)
    Yohann Auvitu 50.0 (8-8)
    Eric Gryba 50.0 (6-6)
    Matt Benning 41.0 (16-23)
    Adam Larsson 40.6 (13-19)
    Kris Russell 39.4 (13-20)
    Oscar Klefbom 36.7 (11-19)
    Ethan Bear 25.0 (2-6)
    Andrej Sekera 15.8 (3-16)

    GF% goes right off the rails here.

    I wonder how much of that was the shittiness of the bottom 6 and the fact that the bottom 6 got pounded in the first two months?

    Here’s some key bottom 6 Goals For – Goals Against from Oct 1 – Nov 25th
    Player GF GA
    MARK LETESTU 1 7
    JUSSI JOKINEN 1 4
    MIKE CAMMALLERI 1 4
    DRAKE CAGGIULA 5 15
    IIRO PAKARINEN 1 2
    KAILER YAMAMOTO 2 4
    ZACK KASSIAN 3 5

    That was…uhhh, quite the start by a few players.

    Anyhow, I haven’t dug too deep into this and just wanted to share it as I know some here like to see this stuff

  21. Confused says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Question: based on the numbers would you offer OV2 a one-way contract?

  22. Cassandra says:

    dustrock:
    Just saw the Deadspin article on the Oilers not firing Chiarelli. Certainly seems like we are the laughing stock of the league and I’m not sure the organization necessarily understands that.

    I was thinking last night that Chiarelli has lucked or been clever enough to pick jobs where the teams are already loaded with elite talent.

    He has never been in a position where he has had to acquire elite talent.

    He maybe brought Chara with him, but Chara was UFA and then the Bruins already had Bergeron Marchand Krejci etc in the system.

    Wheeler was only there because he didn’t want to play for the Coyotes.

    Kessel, Wheeler, Seguin out.People brought in were of lesser quality and/or older.

    Comes to the Oilers who are gifted McDavid and already had Hall, Nuge, Draisaitl etc.

    Out go Hall, Eberle, Schultz, players brought in were of lesser quality and/or.older.

    I can’t think of a single trade Chiarelli has ever made where he has brought in a more talented player.

    So now we are trusting him to bring in talent on the wings and D.

    Imagine if you had a team that didn’t already have elite talent to work with. What’s Chiarelli’s track record and why would you hire him?

    Great post. And it goes to show what we’ve come to learn. Peter Chiarelli doesn’t think talent wins hockey games.

    As Willis put it at the beginning of the year, the plan was to build Lemaire’s Wild with McDavid.

    That is why we are here. Nicholson said we have to stick to the plan. This is where we are going to be forever. Even the good version of this plan is terribly disappointing.

    All the talk of the OBC is just deflection from this plan.

  23. Cassandra says:

    I will be shocked if Nurse is paid 3.3 million.

  24. tileguy says:

    Why do all our lines have to be projected? Must the first 25 games of next year be about shuffling line combinations? Allow me to project our record for the first 25 games, 12-13.

  25. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Confused:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    Question: based on the numbers would you offer OV2 a one-way contract?

    League minimum as a #7 yes

    Based on the eye test too.

    Chaos in his own zone, but the man moves the puck north enough to make up for it

    The calculation is always create minus give up

  26. Lowetide says:

    tileguy:
    Why do all our lines have to be projected? Must the first 25 games of next year be about shuffling line combinations? Allow me to project ourrecord for the first 25 games, 12-13.

    It’s a talking point. If we don’t have talking points, chaos ensues and people talk about demon liquor and Napoleon. Can’t have that.

  27. Rondo says:

    2 possible 1st rd picks for the Oilers playing today.

    Joe Veleno

    Barrett Hayton

  28. Woogie63 says:

    Dallas is not going to sit still, is Julias Honka aiming high enough?

  29. godot10 says:

    ///JP can hammer it but takes a lot of time to release. Is there a way to speed it up?//

    How did that work out for Eberle?

    JP has a good shot, but he is NOT a “shooter” per se. He is an all-around offensive forward. Recognize what a player is. Don’t try to make him something he isn’t. He isn’t Laine. If the coaching staff and some bloggers stopped trying to turn him into Laine, maybe he would have a better chance of reaching his potential as Hossa-lite.

    For Puljujarvi to succeed as a player, he is going to be lugging it a fair amount. He needs to touch the puck, and move with it.

  30. Younger Oil says:

    If you view Nuge and Draisaitl as centers, we don’t have a single winger who would be in the Top 6 of a playoff team.

    That is without a doubt one of the worst lineups in the entire NHL. If McDavid gets injured I’d wager that is THE worst lineup in the NHL. Just imagine where we would be if we didn’t win that lottery.

    Chiarelli has absolutely fucked this team with brutal trades and a failure to evaluate the direction that the league is going. This team isn’t anywhere close to being a playoff team, and Chiarelli has pissed away the assets that could have changed that.

  31. godot10 says:

    If Rattie plays 20 games or more on McDavid’s win and plays there for anything other than injury purposes, the Oilers are probably not making the playoffs. The guy is not remotely good enough in his own end to play with McDavid.

    The Oilers had a better player than Rattie in Pitlick, and didn’t offer him a contract. Pitlick is a better player than Kassian too.

  32. Death By Misadventure says:

    Rondo:
    2 possible 1st rd picks for the Oilers playing today.

    Joe Veleno

    Barrett Hayton

    Oh man, I hope not. If we’re maxing out at a Barrett Hayton, I hope we just trade the pick.

  33. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Hat tip to WG (wooden hat of course)

    Player ReIT CF% ReITGF%

    Maroon 1.87 2.09
    Slepyshev 1.34 1.95
    Lucic 1.33 -.52
    Strome .96 .27
    JP .79 1.29
    Khaira .06 -5.14
    Caggiula -4.05 -10
    Aberg -4.29 8.7
    Rattie -5.27 .98

    Listed in order of ReIT CF% because larger sample. I set it at 100 minuters to get Rattie in there.

    This is a small sample however it lines up with what I see. Whatever metrics the Oilers are using seems to value the wrong players. Of course offense is needed, but not owning the puck won’t lead to the desired outcome in the long run.

    Maroon is probably a better bet than Rattie in the NHL if he’s affordable. Valuing Slepy less than the other young guys looks like a mistake, I agree.

    JP is as good player and should play with skill. Get him set right off the ice in the off season. To me it seems the biggest issue, affecting his confidence. He needs to get settled and get comfortable in Edmonton and with English.

    Khiara is a fine bet for the bottom 6 and filling in. Strome at the right salary helps, but his offense will not likely improve at this point IMO and he shouldn’t be paid for futures.

    They definitely need some capable possession players to cover the bottom 3. That can keep up and still play. Cammalleri was -3.36 ReIT CF%. I wouldn’t go there despite his IQ, the tank is pretty empty at this point for him. Not a fit with the Oilers, even if he can play still, they need more from a vet.
    ** 2017-2018 5v5

  34. Woogie63 says:

    Cassandra: Great post.And it goes to show what we’ve come to learn.Peter Chiarelli doesn’t think talent wins hockey games.

    As Willis put it at the beginning of the year, the plan was to build Lemaire’s Wild with McDavid.

    That is why we are here.Nicholson said we have to stick to the plan.This is where we are going to be forever.Even the good version of this plan is terribly disappointing.

    All the talk of the OBC is just deflection from this plan.

    9/10 hockey games there is just as much talent on the other team. So talent isn’t enough to win the NHL. There can’t be a disagreement on this

  35. russ99 says:

    Cassandra: Great post.And it goes to show what we’ve come to learn.Peter Chiarelli doesn’t think talent wins hockey games.

    As Willis put it at the beginning of the year, the plan was to build Lemaire’s Wild with McDavid.

    That is why we are here.Nicholson said we have to stick to the plan.This is where we are going to be forever.Even the good version of this plan is terribly disappointing.

    All the talk of the OBC is just deflection from this plan.

    Talent alone doesn’t always win. There’s lots of cases in the history of the sport where a team playing like a team beats raw talent.

    Ideally we need a mix of both. Hence LT’s forwards who play well away from the puck comment.

  36. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Woogie63:
    Dallas is not going to sit still, is Julias Honka aiming high enough?

    He’s not as good as Benning imo and has been more sheltered

  37. Georges says:

    dustrock:
    Just saw the Deadspin article on the Oilers not firing Chiarelli. Certainly seems like we are the laughing stock of the league and I’m not sure the organization necessarily understands that.

    I was thinking last night that Chiarelli has lucked or been clever enough to pick jobs where the teams are already loaded with elite talent.

    He has never been in a position where he has had to acquire elite talent.

    He maybe brought Chara with him, but Chara was UFA and then the Bruins already had Bergeron Marchand Krejci etc in the system.

    Wheeler was only there because he didn’t want to play for the Coyotes.

    Kessel, Wheeler, Seguin out.People brought in were of lesser quality and/or older.

    Comes to the Oilers who are gifted McDavid and already had Hall, Nuge, Draisaitl etc.

    Out go Hall, Eberle, Schultz, players brought in were of lesser quality and/or.older.

    I can’t think of a single trade Chiarelli has ever made where he has brought in a more talented player.

    So now we are trusting him to bring in talent on the wings and D.

    Imagine if you had a team that didn’t already have elite talent to work with. What’s Chiarelli’s track record and why would you hire him?

    Good grief.

    PC was hired by the Bruins on May 26, 2006.

    Bergeron was already playing for the Bruins and had scored 73 points in 81 games in 05-06. So he was there when PC arrived and he was already scoring like a star. Check.

    Krejci was a 63rd overall pick in 2004. He was in the system. Check. He played 6 games and scored 0 points with BOS in PC’s first season, Krejci’s draft+3. He played 56 games and scored 27 points in his draft+4. He was sent down for another AHL stint that season. In his draft+5, he played 82 games with the Bruins and scored 73 points. His eliteness had finally arrived… under PC’s watch.

    Marchand was drafted (!) by PC in round 3 of the 2006 draft, 71st overall. His first full season with the team was in 2010-11, the Cup winning year, Marchand’s draft+5.

    Tim Thomas was a 32 year old goaltender who had just played 38 games in 2005-06. He had outperformed Andrew Raycroft, the team’s incumbent from the season prior to the lockout. On June 24, 2006, PC traded Raycroft to the Leafs for the rights to Tuukka Rask. That effectively made Thomas, the 32-year-old with 42 games of NHL experience the team’s starter. Two big bets that both paid off big for PC’s team.

    Take a look at the rest of Boston’s 2010-11 Stanley Cup winning roster:

    http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?reportType=season&seasonFrom=20102011&seasonTo=20102011&gameType=3&playerPlayedFor=team.6&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&sort=points,goals,assists

    From what I can see, PC acquired every other player on that roster besides Bergeron, Krejci, and Thomas. But you may be right. He lucked into a team loaded with elite talent and put his feet up (or dithered) until they won a Cup. I suppose that’s another reading of the available information.

  38. deardylan says:

    Lowetide: It’s a talking point. If we don’t have talking points, chaos ensues and people talk about demon liquor and Napoleon. Can’t have that.

    Joker: “‎Introduce a little anarchy and red wine summits. Upset the established draft order, and everything becomes chaos. I’m an agent of chaos, coaches challenges, demon liquor and napoleon. Madness, as you know, is like gravity, all it takes is a little push”

    on the other side of Edmonton

    Batman: Alfred where are those flame-retardant talking points that I ordered?

    Alfred: Here they are Master Bruce. Its too bad we need these, I guess some men just want to watch a blog burn. (sigh)

    Commissioner Gordon: Lighting The Lottery Signal

    Gordon: McDavid is the hero Edmonton deserves, but not the one it needs right now.

  39. frjohnk says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Thanks for the Woodmonies.

    Do you have WOWYs with Woodmonies?

    Interested to see our D without McDavid.

  40. godot10 says:

    Georges: Good grief.

    Marchand was drafted (!) by PC in round 3 of the 2006 draft, 71st overall. His first full season with the team was in 2010-11, the Cup winning year, Marchand’s draft+5.

    Officially, Chiarelli had to agree to be quarantined from any involvement in the Bruins June 2006 draft as a league condition on his hire from the Bruins from the Senators. So technically and officially, Marchand was picked without any input from Chiarelli.

  41. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Thanks

  42. Georges says:

    godot10: Officially, Chiarelli had to agree to be quarantined from any involvement in the Bruins June 2006 draft as a league condition on his hire from the Bruins from the Senators.So technically and officially, Marchand was picked without any input from Chiarelli.

    Sure. Because that’s how it works.

  43. Brantford Boy says:

    deardylan,

    Nice…

    So it is you, DEARDYLAN is BRUCE WAYNE!!!

  44. SwedishPoster says:

    Lowetide: It’s a talking point. If we don’t have talking points, chaos ensues and people talk about demon liquor and Napoleon. Can’t have that.

    Mmm demon liquor…

  45. jm363561 says:

    Much to the disappointment of some fans only minor changes were made to last year’s roster, and the major change was moving out Eberle, who had been no screaming contributor. So what happened?

    Goal tending and special teams are generally agreed to have been major reasons for the season implosion – on the coaches. Several players performed very poorly compared to last season – on the coaches much more than Chiarelli I would say. Tactics, selection and motivation of the team have received less comment but I would say they were issues – on the coach. Injuries, illness, personal issues, etc. played a part – ce sera.

    You can debate Chia’s performance for sure but the (very reasonable) criticisms do not explain why a young, largely unchanged, SC favoured roster tanked. On Blender Todd IMHO. I buy the whole continuity thing but that ship has now sailed. TMac should have gone.

    P.S. Do the Gryba contract and Pouliot buy out not affect the cap?

  46. leadfarmer says:

    Woodguy v2.0: He’s not as good as Benning imo and has been more sheltered

    The question isnt where is he now. Its where is he going to be in two years. These young d can go from attainable to will not trade within a season. He’s not the first young D to not work well with Hitch. If the price is reasonable I think I would go for it especially that we really could use a dman in the Brandon Montour Matt Dumba mold and anyone established will cost assets we cant afford to lose and cap space we dont have. The guys we want we cant get, the guys we get we dont want.
    But in my mind this team is not really competitive for 3 years.

  47. digger50 says:

    Oilman99: Kassian has lost focus again,does not bring it every game,time to move on.

    Kassian can play, we know he can play. He can play RW better than anyone else on the roster. (At this time)

    However, coach has him pigeon holed as 4th line, never to move again. And Tmac does not value Kassians game. He does not use him, does not know how to motivate him.

    If Tmac is back, sure move Kassian because he won’t be used- and watch him excell in another city.

  48. who says:

    godot10:
    ///JP can hammer it but takes a lot of time to release. Is there a way to speed it up?//

    How did that work out for Eberle?

    JP has a good shot, but he is NOT a “shooter” per se.He is an all-around offensive forward.Recognizewhat a player is.Don’t try to make him something he isn’t.He isn’t Laine.If the coaching staff and some bloggers stopped trying to turn him into Laine, maybe he would have a better chance of reaching his potential as Hossa-lite.

    For Puljujarvi to succeed as a player, he is going to be lugging it a fair amount.He needs to touch the puck, and move with it.

    Man this is so true. It’s amazing people can’t see this.
    This guy is not Laine. He is not an elite first shot scorer.
    But he could be the defensive equal of Hossa with more offense and puck possession. He has the potential to be a great puck transporter out of his end and through the neutral zone. Better than Nuge and maybe better than Drai.

  49. Side says:

    Georges: Sure. Because that’s how it works.

    Reminds me of people that think teams follow the UFA rules, like they actually start interviews with UFAs after draft day, and they actually negotiate/draw up the contracts for UFAs on July 1 and don’t do anything beforehand.

  50. digger50 says:

    Thoughts on Adam Mascherin?

    Not going to play for Florida and going back into the draft this year. Cost Florida a second round pick in 2016. Would they take a third round pick to recoup costs? Or teams just wait for the draft if they want him?

    Smaller scoring winger with lots of game.

  51. Cassandra says:

    Georges: Sure. Because that’s how it works.

    While in the abstract I see your point, I find it interesting that when evaluating Chiarelli it seems that he was not responsible for the bad moves while he was actually in charge (Seguin, Reinhart, maybe Hall), but he gets credit for drafting Marchand when he wasn’t even in charge.

    This is what makes Chiarelli teflon. Somehow he deflects blame for all the mistakes while simultaneously getting credit for all the successes.

    Nice work if you can get it.

  52. deardylan says:

    Brantford Boy:
    deardylan,

    Nice…

    So it is you, DEARDYLAN is BRUCE WAYNE!!!

    Close…

    Bruce Wayne hits the gym at 2am in morning, eats protein shakes, and lives in Edmonton when not in the Batcave.

    I am in Hanoi eating spicy vegetarian pho soup after teaching an MBA course although I do have a Y in my name. Dylan Alfred Pennyworth

    I will make a fine butler to master wayne once my hair turns a bit whiter and I start to spout this kind of wisdom while serving bahn mi sandwiches with afternoon green tea.

    Bruce Wayne: Oilers playoffs chances are dying, Alfred. What would you have me do?

    Alfred: Endure, Master Wayne. Take it. They’ll hate you for it, but that’s the point of Batman, he can be the outcast. He can make the optimistic posting that no one else can make, the right posting.

    Bruce Wayne: [as Alfred opens the curtains] Bats are nocturnal.

    Alfred: Bats may be, but even for billionaire playboys, two am workouts after AHL updates are pushing it. The price of leading a double life, I fear.

  53. Richard S.S. says:

    There is talk on/from varied sources that Russian players are trying to get out of the KHL/Russia. If this is true, why would Slepyshev seek to go back?

  54. --hudson-- says:

    The fans in Minnesota are depressed:
    – the two goal scorers in Vegas versus Kings were former Wild (Tuch and Haula)
    – Koivu looks like he’s done or close to it
    – Both big contract players have health issues (Parise and Suter)
    – They’ve scratched a $4.6M player the first two games and probably today (Ennis)

    If Chiarelli is patient, this is the type of team he can trade with. A team with a disappointing first round and some bad contracts.

  55. Confused says:

    Question to the group, who should be #7D?

    1. Bear (or slide back to Bake)
    2. OV2 ( or let walk)
    3. Lowe (Kev would like this)
    4. Other….

    E.g. Joel Persson, 23, RHD, leading points D in the SHL

    Give me your thoughts!

    Handedness: LHD, RHD or BPA

    Cost

    1. Near league min
    2. Anything with no cap impact if sent to Bake
    3. 1+ (we need someone good)

    Would love to get peoples thoughts, no wrong answers

  56. Lowetide says:

    Georges: Sure. Because that’s how it works.

    One of my least favorite ’round and round’ arguments on the blog over the years is the Chara item. I was a Bruins fan at the time (still am) and Chiarelli’s move had enormous implications and everyone knew it. Divorcing Chiarelli from Chara’s move has become more common over the years but it doesn’t change reality. I’m less convinced of his impact on the draft, though.

  57. deardylan says:

    SwedishPoster: Mmm demon liquor…

    Inverse Infinity -1

    The Opposite of Mmm
    Early 90s
    Whyte Ave @The People’s Pub;
    Snowstorm the Night Before U of A Final Exams
    Demon Liquor: Chartreuse mixed with Tequila and Ouzo

  58. OriginalPouzar says:

    I’ve been pretty adamant that Khaira should be slotted in as the 4C next year, however, I’m starting to get on board with him seeing signifigant time at left wing in the middle 6.

    Can he provide enough offence over 82 games for 2LW or 3LW (mirror man for Lucic)?

    If so, that solves a middle 6 left wing position internally and super cheap (for a year).

    Khaira did have fantastic numbers with Strome so maybe 3LW is best? If Lucic can bounce back it all fits perfectly.

    I think the necessary move is a Winnik (or similar) for 4C. Sure Derek Ryan would be great, however, with close to 40 points this past year, I think he’s priced out of Edmonton.

  59. who says:

    Confused:
    Question to the group, who should be #7D?

    1. Bear (or slide back to Bake)
    2. OV2 ( or let walk)
    3. Lowe (Kev would like this)
    4. Other….

    E.g. Joel Persson, 23, RHD, leading points D in the SHL

    Give me your thoughts!

    Handedness: LHD, RHD or BPA

    Cost

    1. Near league min
    2. Anything with no cap impact if sent to Bake
    3. 1+ (we need someone good)

    Would love to get peoples thoughts, no wrong answers

    Assuming no new dmen I would go with Auvitu, but I doubt this happens. Tmac doesn’t seem that fond of him. We probably lose Slepeshev for the same reason .
    Bear needs one more year in the minors.

  60. OriginalPouzar says:

    Nuge/McDavid/XXXX
    Lucic/Drai/Jesse
    Khaira/Strome/Slep
    Caggulia/Winnik/Kassian

    Aberg/Pak

    Yamamto and Rattie wildcards for the 1RW or a Vanek-type stop gap.

  61. who says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I’ve been pretty adamant that Khaira should be slotted in as the 4C next year, however, I’m starting to get on board with him seeing signifigant time at left wing in the middle 6.

    Can he provide enough offence over 82 games for 2LW or 3LW (mirror man for Lucic)?

    If so, that solves a middle 6 left wing position internally and super cheap (for a year).

    Khaira did have fantastic numbers with Strome so maybe 3LW is best? If Lucic can bounce back it all fits perfectly.

    I think the necessary move is a Winnik (or similar) for 4C.Sure Derek Ryan would be great, however, with close to 40 points this past year, I think he’s priced out of Edmonton.

    What about Shawn Mathias for 4C?

  62. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Woogie63: 9/10 hockey games there is just as much talent on the other team.So talent isn’t enough to win the NHL.There can’t be a disagreement on this

    Last 3 Cup Champs
    PIT
    PIT
    CHI

    I disagree

  63. who says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Nuge/McDavid/XXXX
    Lucic/Drai/Jesse
    Khaira/Strome/Slep
    Caggulia/Winnik/Kassian

    Aberg/Pak

    Yamamto and Rattie wildcards for the 1RW or a Vanek-type stop gap.

    Switch Kharia and Lucic and I’m on board.

  64. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    russ99,

    Talent alone doesn’t always win. There’s lots of cases in the history of the sport where a team playing like a team beats raw talent.

    The case history of sport is the side with the most talent wins more often.

    John Wooden said the best coach is usually the one who gets of the bus with the best players

  65. Pescador says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Nuge/McDavid/XXXX
    Lucic/Drai/Jesse
    Khaira/Strome/Slep
    Caggulia/Winnik/Kassian

    Aberg/Pak

    Yamamto and Rattie wildcards for the 1RW or a Vanek-type stop gap.

    Some people don’t believe Lucic is a viable top 6 winger at the moment.
    He is a 3rd line LW
    1 goal in 40 games or something
    Woof

  66. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    frjohnk:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    Thanks for the Woodmonies.

    Do you have WOWYs with Woodmonies?

    Interested to see our D without McDavid.

    Not yet

    It won’t be pretty

  67. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oilman99:
    Westchester Oil,

    We need to make enough room to add a trigger man for Drai that can score twenty goals atleast. Secondary scoring is of the utmost importance.

    His name is Jesse Puljiajrivi – in my opinion.

    He will turn 20 prior to next season and it will be his third season in North America – I see a big spike in his boxars next season – I project a 25/25 type season if he gets substantial time with Drai.

    Don’t JP and Drai have very nice fancies together?

  68. Lowetide says:

    For The Athletic: Oilers sign Rattie but have work to do on right-wing

    https://theathletic.com/315124/2018/04/15/oilers-sign-rattie-more-work-badly-needed-on-right-wing/

  69. Pescador says:

    Confused:
    Question to the group, who should be #7D?

    1. Bear (or slide back to Bake)
    2. OV2 ( or let walk)
    3. Lowe (Kev would like this)
    4. Other….

    E.g. Joel Persson, 23, RHD, leading points D in the SHL

    Give me your thoughts!

    Handedness: LHD, RHD or BPA

    Cost

    1. Near league min
    2. Anything with no cap impact if sent to Bake
    3. 1+ (we need someone good)

    Would love to get peoples thoughts, no wrong answers

    Ideally Benning or Russell
    I agree with Lowetide, right or wrong Chiarelli will trade this years 1st.
    If he must, Top 4 RHD is the target
    Cap space for the top 4 winger this roster desperately needs.
    Sign a substantial back up,
    Boom! balance photo: Lt – exercise ball- tightly whiteys

  70. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    leadfarmer: The question isnt where is he now.Its where is he going to be in two years.These young d can go fromattainable to will not trade within a season.He’s not the first young D to not work well with Hitch.If the price is reasonable I think I would go for it especially that we really could use a dman in the Brandon Montour Matt Dumba mold and anyone established will cost assets we cant afford to lose and cap space we dont have.The guys we want we cant get, the guys we get we dont want.
    But in my mind this team is not really competitive for 3 years.

    Honka is a year younger than Benning and behind where Benning was last year.

    Hitch sheltered the crap out of him as any good coach would.

    Honka is not projecting like either Dumba or Montour

    Montour scored twice as much in the AHL as Honka and Dumba was putting up significant numbers in the NHL the same age years.

    I understand trying to find a good young Dman before the blossom so you can get them cheap, but I don’t think Honka’s that guy.

  71. OriginalPouzar says:

    Confused:
    WOOGIE63

    One-way vs. two-way has no effect on anything other than Katz’s and OV2’s pocket books – all it determines is the salary the player would take home if in the minors. It has zero effect on waiver status, cap hit or anything.

    In that regard, a one-way vs. two-way makes absolutely no difference to a fan.

    If they make the determination that they want to offer him a contract, by all means, make it a one-way.

  72. digger50 says:

    Confused: Slep

    I thought Davidson was the best fit for #7 d man

  73. Brantford Boy says:

    deardylan,

    Hanoi, awesome… just reading/practicing some Thai phrasebooks I downloaded last night… cheers!

  74. Gret99zky says:

    If Nurse signs for $3.3M he needs to fire his agent.

  75. Alpine says:

    Jeff Gorton also has generally been given credit for the Rask-Raycroft. He signed Savard as well (huge reason for the B’s making the playoffs in 2008 and finishing 1st in the east in 2009). Gorton has commonly been given credit for the 2006 draft. I’m not sure how much Chiarelli had to do with the Chara signing as he wasn’t supposed to be involved but I’m sure their connection from Ottawa played some part. Gorton still negotiated the contract.

    Chia canned Gorton for some reason in 2007. Boston’s drafting kind of went in the tank after that until they brought Gretzky in to run them. Give Chia credit for taking the picks from Toronto for Kessel as they were likely to continue not winning with Toskala in net. One of his best trades ever for sure, even if losing Kessel meant they wouldn’t be a contender for a year until he acquired Horton in his other contender for best trade. Maybe we can hope for a 15 OV + Wideman for Horton type trade this summer. 9/10 OV + Russell or whoever for that coveted RHD?

  76. Gret99zky says:

    That 2018-19 roster projection is going to result in an excellent draft pick 2019.

  77. Georges says:

    Lowetide: One of my least favorite ’round and round’ arguments on the blog over the years is the Chara item. I was a Bruins fan at the time (still am) and Chiarelli’s move had enormous implications and everyone knew it. Divorcing Chiarelli from Chara’s move has become more common over the years but it doesn’t change reality. I’m less convinced of his impact on the draft, though.

    If you were convinced and I was convinced and godot was convinced and Cassandra was convinced, then PC and the Bruins would’ve been in a bit of hot water.

    I find it weird that a new GM burns a draft year by providing 0 input to his draft team because rules. But, to be fair, I also have no idea the impact the GM has on the draft. To keep things simple, I go by when were they hired, when were they fired. Every draft decision in that range, they own.

  78. OriginalPouzar says:

    who: Switch Kharia and Lucic and I’m on board.

    Pescador: Some people don’t believe Lucic is a viable top 6 winger at the moment.
    He is a 3rd line LW
    1 goal in 40 games or something
    Woof

    I would love to slot Khaira in as the 2LW with Lucic as the 3LW but my thought process is:

    1) Not convinced Khaira has top 6 offence – time will tell but I think his shooting percentage will regress a bit next year

    2) Khaira had fantastic numbers with Strome (sample size caveat)

    3) Given the foregoing, I count on a bit of rebound from Lucic for my lineup to work.

    I’m not adverse to switching Lucic and Khaira as requested.

  79. Cassandra says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    russ99,

    Talent alone doesn’t always win. There’s lots of cases in the history of the sport where a team playing like a team beats raw talent.

    The case history of sport is the side with the most talent wins more often.

    John Wooden said the best coach is usually the one who gets of the bus with the best players

    It really comes down to this, doesn’t it. The big divide isn’t between the “seen him good” crowd and the “numbers in the basement” crowd. The divide is between talent and hockey mysticism.

    The mystics trust their eyes because you can’t count intangibles.

    The mystics think building a team requires a recipe, as a kind of magic potion. This is why they are always using mystical terms like “pieces” and “roles” and “glue.”

    The mystics blame the best players for the failures of the team because they think the “team” is what wins not talent, and if the team didn’t win despite its talent, it is because the talent didn’t make the team better, not because the team didn’t have enough talent.

    Mystics live in a world of science, and hence have to refer to numbers, but in so doing they refer to the ones that have mystical significance, such as home and road splits, or number of “hits.” These are names that have numbers, but these numbers are meaningless because they don’t refer to any actual thing. Kevin Quinn is a mystic who loves numbers.

    You could go on and on.

  80. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    When I was looking at Honka’s results something else jumped off the page at me.

    DAL 5v5
    TOI 3919min
    GF% 52.3%

    DAL 5v5 With Hamhuis on the ice
    TOI 1330
    GF% 43.4%

    DAL 5v5 With Hamhuis off the ice
    TOI 2589
    GF% 58.5%

    Hamhuis played the who year (except 180 minutes) with Greg Pateyrn

    There’s a team that needs a 2nd pairing.

    If you’re targeting DAL I think Johns is closer to a 2nd RHD than Honka, but I don’t like him that much.

    Wonder if they’d do Russell for Johns straight up?

    He’s not an Actual Top 4 NHL Dman though and EDM should aim higher but that’s a swap that helps out both team.

  81. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Gret99zky:
    That 2018-19 roster projection is going to result in an excellent draft pick 2019.

    If the Dcorps is healthy they’ll make the playoffs

  82. Georges says:

    Cassandra: While in the abstract I see your point, I find it interesting that when evaluating Chiarelli it seems that he was not responsible for the bad moves while he was actually in charge (Seguin, Reinhart, maybe Hall), but he gets credit for drafting Marchand when he wasn’t even in charge.

    This is what makes Chiarelli teflon.Somehow he deflects blame for all the mistakes while simultaneously getting credit for all the successes.

    Nice work if you can get it.

    Is PC teflon? Are you still a voice in the wilderness? Were you ever?

    As per my prior post to LT, I go by the GM owns every decision made from the point he was hired to the point he was fired. This keeps things simple when I do the adding and subtracting.

    So, yes, I agree. PC owns Seguin, Reinhart, Hall, Lucic, Russell… whatever else you want to stick to him… I have a working hypothesis that people are never truly awful in their personal lives or in their professional capacities. So i try to fill in the other side of the ledger as well as I can. (This doesn’t mean I’m agreeing with you on where all the transactions I listed should end up btw.)

  83. Alpine says:

    Georges: If you were convinced and I was convinced and godot was convinced and Cassandra was convinced, then PC and the Bruins would’ve been in a bit of hot water.

    I find it weird that a new GM burns a draft year by providing 0 input to his draft team because rules. But, to be fair, I also have no idea the impact the GM has on the draft. To keep things simple, I go by when were they hired, when were they fired. Every draft decision in that range, they own.

    Chara knew Chia would become the GM in Boston two weeks after he signed. Gorton did the legwork and Chia probably recommended Chara off the record but Chara was probably influenced to sign in BOS because of Chia’s presence. Gorton gave Chara the right terms so as to not have Chara look elsewhere and the former should get as much credit for it. Nothing illegal about it.

    I don’t know why it’s so weird that Chia didn’t work the draft in 2006. He was hired like a week or two before when the B’s would have been in the concluding stages of determining their plan for the draft. Ottawa didn’t want to lose a lot of their intel for the 06 draft and have their assistant GM poached at the same time and thus the teams struck a deal not to use Chia’s intel for the draft. It’s unconventional sure, but it’s what happened and i don’t know why we should act otherwise.

    Have to just accept what went well for Chia in Boston and how he augmented it on their path to a Cup. I don’t think it’s biased against him to accept the facts presented to us about how much influence he truly had in a very pivotal offseason for the Bruins.

  84. Gret99zky says:

    Woodguy v2.0: If the Dcorps is healthy they’ll make the playoffs

    And what if McDavid misses 30 games?

  85. Woogie63 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Last 3 Cup Champs
    PIT
    PIT
    CHI

    I disagree

    In the 2017/18 regular season

    17 of the 31 teams had between 35 and 45 wins, which might suggest more parity.

  86. Bulging Twine says:

    Going by Chiarelli’s presser comments on Lucic, he is the 2nd line LW next season

  87. Pescador says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I would love to slot Khaira in as the 2LW with Lucic as the 3LW but my thought process is:

    1) Not convinced Khaira has top 6 offence – time will tell but I think his shooting percentage will regress a bit next year

    2) Khaira had fantastic numbers with Strome (sample size caveat)

    3) Given the foregoing, I count on a bit of rebound from Lucic for my lineup to work.

    I’m not adverse to switching Lucic and Khaira as requested.

    I don’t have Khaira starting at 2LW,
    I think 4C & see what happens.
    My hope is that they sign a top 6 winger,
    Full disclosure: cabin fever has set in & Im wearing a tinfoil toque

  88. Pescador says:

    Bulging Twine:
    Going by Chiarelli’s presser comments on Lucic, he is the 2nd line LW next season

    Excellent,
    I hear that 2019 draft class is a humdinger

  89. 90s fan says:

    We have lots of need, forwards, dmen, and backup goalie. I doubt we can hit them all. Trading our #1 pick seems flat out silly as it means another desireable player lost at expansion. (Did/should chia have known an expansion was coming when he traded for Reinhart?)

    We dont have cap space, so to get lots coming in we would habe to send someone out (only players available to free up space are guys we actually want)

    So we can’t really address all our needs.

    That said, we have young improving dmen in Nurse Benning(??) And our AHL boys, and we hope Sekera improves back to form for next year, so perhaps the best bet for thr 3 positions to improve on their own is the d.

    Therefore i think our resources should focus on forwards, for which we have not much internal hope, and goaling, for which we have even little internal hope (in the short term).

    Can we not somehow procure one good forward for draisaitl/McDavid? JP can battle Rarrie (and win) for the the other top 2 spot? Is there enough cap for one decent ufa?

    I also keep thinking we have at least 2 pairs of world class players in Mcd and nuge, drai and JP. Can we find a few more guys that cant score but really suck to play against, and dont get scored on for the third and fourth lines? (Should be cheaper acquisitions?) And do we ever draft these kind of guys?

    But really what do I know. Perhaps some of you wiser posters can explain it to me.

  90. SwedishPoster says:

    Gret99zky: And what if McDavid misses 30 games?

    Mmm demon liquor…

  91. Bulging Twine says:

    Pescador,

    He’s not going to look for an upgrade there.

  92. 90s fan says:

    Cassandra: It really comes down to this, doesn’t it.The big divide isn’t between the “seen him good” crowd and the “numbers in the basement” crowd.The divide is between talent and hockey mysticism.

    The mystics trust their eyes because you can’t count intangibles.

    The mystics think building a team requires a recipe, as a kind of magic potion.This is why they are always using mystical terms like “pieces” and “roles” and “glue.”

    The mystics blame the best players for the failures of the team because they think the “team” is what wins not talent, and if the team didn’t win despite its talent, it is because the talent didn’t make the team better, not because the team didn’t have enough talent.

    Mystics live in a world of science, and hence have to refer to numbers, but in so doing they refer to the ones that have mystical significance, such as home and road splits, or number of “hits.”These are names that have numbers, but these numbers are meaningless because they don’t refer to any actual thing.Kevin Quinn is a mystic who loves numbers.

    You could go on and on.

    So let’s say a player gets lots of hits and not much else,, (was gator like that? bucky?)

    They appear to possibly be uaeless as they dont contribute to goals, but can you measure how they impact others through actual numbers? For example if someone feels safer to go into battles with him out there, or is energized and that had an actual affect on performance, could we measure it?

  93. Rondo says:

    Death By Misadventure,

    “Part of what initially drew me to Hayton at the Ivan Hlinkas was how much his coach counted on him to shut down the top lines of opponents. He was always the first player that the coach of Team Canada looked to when Canada needed to win a key draw in the
    defensive zone, and was a fixture on the team’s penalty kill. Hayton thrived in a checking role at the tournament, and showed a
    dependability in all three zones that you rarely see for a player his age, and did so while being 2nd on the team in scoring, and leading Canada in goals. Hayton is an incredibly intelligent player that has outstanding awareness on the ice.”

    https://www.wingingitinmotown.com/2018/1/27/16929942/2018-prospect-profile-barrett-hayton

    Sounds to me Barrett Hayton is a player Oilers would look at.

    Why do you think Columbus took Pierre Luc Dubois over Puljujarvi.
    Not always about the most skilled when building a team

  94. godot10 says:

    Confused:
    Question to the group, who should be #7D?

    1. Bear (or slide back to Bake)
    2. OV2 ( or let walk)
    3. Lowe (Kev would like this)
    4. Other….

    E.g. Joel Persson, 23, RHD, leading points D in the SHL

    Give me your thoughts!

    Handedness: LHD, RHD or BPA

    Cost

    1. Near league min
    2. Anything with no cap impact if sent to Bake
    3. 1+ (we need someone good)

    Would love to get peoples thoughts, no wrong answers

    Russell

  95. Gret99zky says:

    SwedishPoster: Mmm demon liquor…

    In order for the Oilers to make the playoffs next year nearly everything will have to go right, as it did in 2016-17.

    McDavid will need to be healthy. Drai too. Most of the forwards will need to have career years. The defense will also need to be healthy. The goal-tending (starter and backup) will need to be at least league average.

    “The future can sometimes be predicted by the past.”

    Which was the outlier, this season or last?

    We wait.

  96. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Gret99zky: And what if McDavid misses 30 games?

    They’re fucked

  97. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Woogie63: In the 2017/18 regular season

    17 of the 31 teams had between 35 and 45 wins, which might suggest more parity.

    Lots of parity in the middle.

    Talent heavy teams at the top

    Talent light teams at the bottom

  98. Gret99zky says:

    Woodguy v2.0: They’re fucked

    Hahaha.

    Score: 11/10

  99. flyfish1168 says:

    Cassandra:
    I will be shocked if Nurse is paid 3.3 million.

    I hope you are correct.
    I can see Nurses agent arguing that Darnell played more top pairing minutes, very little PP time to inflate his points than some of the players that are being used to compare him with. They may say he is closer to Rasmus Ristolainen at 5.4 per year than the others due to his usage. Rasmus was drafted 8th overall while Darnell 7th in the same draft. With the CAP going up they may fight for a certain % of the CAP.

    The negotiations should be interesting to see how Chai handles it.

  100. Glass says:

    flyfish1168,

    I feel like you’d have to bridge Nurse, or we’d have next to no cap room.

  101. OriginalPouzar says:

    Pescador: I don’t have Khaira starting at 2LW,
    I think 4C & see what happens.
    My hope is that they sign a top 6 winger,
    Full disclosure: cabin fever has set in & Im wearing a tinfoil toque

    There is no cap space available to sign a top 6 winger – sure, a Vanek-type as a stop-gap but not a “real” top 6 winger.

    Given the ability for young and talented players to provide offence during the terms of their ELCs, in particular when zoomed by McDavid (and even Drai over the next few years), I don’t want management to commit any term to an acquired top 6 winger.

    The top 6 winger positions is where we should be able to add some value contracts allowing the little cap space that we have to be spent elsewhere.

    I would love to have Max P. in our top 6, however, I think its a mistake (even with an extension) as, until we shed some material cap (Russel, Lucic, etc.) we just can’t afford it – maybe a rental at the deadline when we are in a playoff position in 10 months from now but not a player with term.

    A stop gap in the top 6 to keep the seat warm from Yamamoto, Benson, Hebig, Safin, Maksimov, Svechnikov (whichever one or two end up “making it”).

  102. Mr DeBakey says:

    Lets walk through this:
    Sign Derek Ryan, Blake Comeau, Brandon Pirri and a depth Center for $6mm-ish total.
    Qualify Strome & Benning.
    Sign Nurse at $4.5mm for as many years as possible.
    Change only the dates on Auvitu’s existing contract and get it signed.

    It looks something like this:
    Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan ** McDavid, Connor ** Pirri, Brandon
    Khaira, Jujhar ** Draisaitl, Leon ** Puljujärvi, Jesse
    Comeau, Blake ** Strome, Ryan ** Kassian, Zack
    Åberg, Pontus ** Ryan, Derek ** Rattie, Ty
    Lucic, Milan ** Gambardella, Joseph

    Nurse, Darnell ** Larsson, Adam
    Klefbom, Oscar ** Benning, Matthew
    Sekera, Andrej ** Russell, Kris
    Auvitu, Yohann

    Talbot, Cam
    Montoya, Al

    Depending on the Cap, there’ll be about a $2mm cushion.
    Ryan and Comeau can kill penalties and both are posession guys.
    Pirri can score.
    [McLellan probably won’t want to play Pirri [and Auvitu], but whatever.]
    I think the Oilers should look at Alexei Byvaltsev as the depth C.
    Benning starts the season with 135 NHL games instead of 62.
    Sekera starts the season with 2 healthy knees.
    Upgrading Montoya would be a good idea.
    Yamamoto, Benson, Marody, Bear & Berglund can all start the year in Bakersfield.
    Veleno can be sent back to Saint John.

    I’d give this line-up 96 points in the Death March.

  103. jtblack says:

    ” I’m not sure Nurse can anchor a second pairing ” *****

    Is this not a problem for the Org? They have invested in Nurse and been patient. he seems to have all the physical tools, but doesnt seem to make the right choices (positioning, where to pass, when to pass).

    His numbers seem OK based on WOODGUY’s post.

    The HOPE for Nurse was a #1 Dman on draft day. Now 5 years later the hope is maybe he can be an effective #2 LHD.

    hmmmmmm

  104. jtblack says:

    How did Benson do in the last few AHL games?

  105. Lowetide says:

    jtblack:
    ” I’m not sure Nurse can anchor a second pairing ” *****

    Is this not a problem for the Org?They have invested in Nurse and been patient.he seems to have all the physical tools, but doesnt seem to make the right choices (positioning, where to pass, when to pass).

    His numbers seem OK based on WOODGUY’s post.

    The HOPE for Nurse was a #1 Dman on draft day.Now 5 years later the hope is maybe he can be an effective #2 LHD.

    hmmmmmm

    He had a strong first half, faded second half of the season. I don’t see any reason to worry but it’s asking a lot of him to play alongside Benning (who is not a veteran). I’m worried about the contract number with Nurse but not the player.

  106. Wayne Kenov says:

    The more I look at it, taking a LHD from this draft isn’t a bad idea. I’m not sure if Nurse ever reaches first pairing calibre, and Klefbom is starting to look like a guy who gives up more than he gives. That’s assuming one of the RHD isn’t there.

  107. Doug McLachlan says:

    godot10:
    If Rattie plays 20 games or more on McDavid’s win and plays there for anything other than injury purposes, the Oilers are probably not making the playoffs.The guy is not remotely good enough in his own end to play with McDavid.

    The Oilers had a better player than Rattie in Pitlick, and didn’t offer him a contract.Pitlick is a better player than Kassian too.

    Was Pitlick not offered a contract or not offered a multi year one-way deal?

  108. Wayne Kenov says:

    Mr DeBakey:
    Lets walk through this:
    Sign Derek Ryan, Blake Comeau, Brandon Pirri and a depth Center for $6mm-ish total.
    Qualify Strome & Benning.
    Sign Nurse at $4.5mm for as many years as possible.
    Change only the dates on Auvitu’s existing contract and get it signed.

    It looks something like this:
    Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan**McDavid, Connor**Pirri, Brandon
    Khaira, Jujhar**Draisaitl, Leon**Puljujärvi, Jesse
    Comeau, Blake**Strome, Ryan**Kassian, Zack
    Åberg, Pontus**Ryan, Derek**Rattie, Ty
    Lucic, Milan**Gambardella, Joseph

    Nurse, Darnell**Larsson, Adam
    Klefbom, Oscar**Benning, Matthew
    Sekera, Andrej**Russell, Kris
    Auvitu, Yohann

    Talbot, Cam
    Montoya, Al

    Depending on the Cap, there’ll be about a $2mm cushion.
    Ryan and Comeau can kill penalties and both are posession guys.
    Pirri can score.
    [McLellan probably won’t want to play Pirri [and Auvitu], but whatever.]
    I think the Oilers should look at Alexei Byvaltsev as the depth C.
    Benning starts the season with 135 NHL games instead of 62.
    Sekera starts the season with 2 healthy knees.
    Upgrading Montoya would be a good idea.
    Yamamoto, Benson, Marody, Bear & Berglund can all start the year in Bakersfield.
    Veleno can be sent back to Saint John.

    I’d give this line-up 96 points in the Death March.

    Pirri played all but two games last year in the AHL.

  109. Doug McLachlan says:

    digger50:
    Thoughts on Adam Mascherin?

    Not going to play for Florida and going back into the draft this year. Cost Florida a second round pick in 2016. Would they take a third round pick to recoup costs? Or teams just wait for the draft if they want him?

    Smaller scoring winger with lots of game.

    The verbal is small (not an issue for me but even teams that don’t discount size won’t take too many – Yamamoto). Bigger concern is the perceived defensive liabilities. Will reenter the draft if not signed by June 1st.

    I am more interested in Yamamoto teammate, Hudson Elynuik. 6’5″ LHC with some offense (albeit as an overager. Would see if Carolina would take a prospect (Yak2) as opposed to a pick as opposed to let him go back into the draft and lose the asset for nothing. Maybe a conditional pick if he signs.

  110. Wayne Kenov says:

    OriginalPouzar: There is no cap space available to sign a top 6 winger – sure, a Vanek-type as a stop-gap but not a “real” top 6 winger.

    Given the ability for young and talented players to provide offence during the terms of their ELCs, in particular when zoomed by McDavid (and even Drai over the next few years), I don’t want management to commit any term to an acquired top 6 winger.

    The top 6 winger positions is where we should be able to add some value contracts allowing the little cap space that we have to be spent elsewhere.

    I would love to have Max P. in our top 6, however, I think its a mistake (even with an extension) as, until we shed some material cap (Russel, Lucic, etc.) we just can’t afford it – maybe a rental at the deadline when we are in a playoff position in 10 months from now but not a player with term.

    A stop gap in the top 6 to keep the seat warm from Yamamoto, Benson, Hebig, Safin, Maksimov, Svechnikov (whichever one or two end up “making it”).

    Stop with Hebig!!!

  111. Mr DeBakey says:

    Wayne Kenov: Pirri played all but two games last year in the AHL.

    That’s true.
    We’re working on the margins here.
    There is no Cap space.
    Ideally, the plan is to move Lucic, Russell and Strome, $13mm in Cap Hit, for about about $10mm in Cap Hit so that someone less iffy can be signed.
    But I’m not holding my breath on that one.

    If Pirri ain’t cutting the mustard, one of the AHLers could be recalled at The Solstice.

  112. Bruce McCurdy says:

    who: Switch Kharia and Lucic and I’m on board.

    How do you solve a problem like Khar-i-a?

    (Sorry, pet peeve)

  113. Professor Q says:

    Bruce McCurdy: How do you solve a problem like Khar-i-a?

    (Sorry, pet peeve)

    Prime Kariya with McDavid.

  114. Wayne Kenov says:

    Also if Phil Kessel is 202, then I’m still 170.

  115. OriginalPouzar says:

    I’ve got very little concern about Nurse on a 2nd pairing, anchor or not.

    I’ve been clear that I think the one material upgrade this season is a top 4 puck moving right shot D (doesn’t need to be elite or even a true top pairing guy but someone to share the top 4 with Larsson).

    Yes, Nurse had an uneven year but he’s still a developing player (he just finished his ELC) and he played a large part of this season with top pairing minutes against top competition.

    Yes, he had Larsson for a good portion of that but Larsson himself had an up and down year. He also had Russell as his partner for a good portion. He played 400 plus minutes with Kris Russell – just think about playing top pairing/top competition with Kris Russell on his off-side as a partner.

    Somehow, he was just a tad under 50% goal share with Russell at 48%.

    He was over 57% with Larsson and 62% without either Larsson or Russell (almost 300 minutes).

    I don’t know how to break down the TOI and goal share with each vis-a-vis competition but I think its safe to assume that the time with Larsson is first pairing minutes.

    Darnell also played these top minutes with very little help on the 2nd or 3rd pairing – an injured and uneven Klefbom (until he was out) and then the likes of Auvitu, Sekera and Russell (once Bear came up).

    Darnell still has areas of his game to work on – he needs to work on his transition pass (and not default to skating the puck out so often), he needs to work on his ability to make a play with the puck past the redline, etc.

    Yes, he had a worse 2nd half than 1st half but he played tough minutes with little cover and sometimes/often with a not so great partner.

    I imagine Nurse would excel with some scaled back minutes on the 2nd pairing (if we have a healthy Klef with Larsson in the top).

    Shit, we get a decent right shot puck mover for the 2nd pairing and throw Sekera with Benning on the 3rd pairing and we’re rolling….

    Now, about that Russell contract……

  116. Lowetide says:

    Bruce McCurdy: How do you solve a problem like Khar-i-a?

    (Sorry, pet peeve)

    I still love Maria.

  117. slopitch says:

    I think WG has it right in the sense that the team will make the playoffs next year if the D and McDavid are healthy. The theme of the summer needs to be chip away. Making small bets to improve the bottom end of the roster.

    1) nail the 2018 picks (future value contracts)
    2) upgrade Montoya
    3) move Russell or Sekera (save $$)
    4) move Kassian or Strome (save $$)
    5) add a few 2 way value contracts (another Jokinen but younger/faster and hope it pans out this year).
    6) find value for Shlepy or keep him
    bonus: acquire a RHD (without moving the 1st or Klefbom and avoid Mike Green)

    Strome is the guy Im not sure of. He seemed to do ok last year but 3.2 million is prob too much. There is opportunity to save money on him. That said, a 4 year 3.0 contract could be fine as he is the right age and seemed to improve over the year. Possession was decent with him on the ice but is he 2 way enough? Im unsure.

    Slowly improve the team. No more whale hunting. The core is solid. Chip away.

  118. JimmyV1965 says:

    slopitch:
    I think WG has it right in the sense that the team will make the playoffs next year if the D and McDavid are healthy. The theme of the summer needs to be chip away. Making small bets to improve the bottom end of the roster.

    1) nail the 2018 picks (future value contracts)
    2) upgrade Montoya
    3) move Russell or Sekera (save $$)
    4) move Kassian or Strome (save $$)
    5) add a few 2 way value contracts (another Jokinen but younger/faster and hope it pans out this year).
    6) find value for Shlepy or keep him
    bonus: acquire a RHD (without moving the 1st or Klefbom and avoid Mike Green)

    Strome is the guy Im not sure of. He seemed to do ok last year but 3.2 million is prob too much. There is opportunity to save money on him. That said, a 4 year 3.0 contract could be fine as he is the right age and seemed to improve over the year. Possession was decent with him on the ice but is he 2 way enough? Im unsure.

    Slowly improve the team. No more whale hunting. The core is solid. Chip away.

    I’m not sure what people mean when they say whale hunting. I know we traded away a whale in Hall. I can’t recall ever trading for a whale. We’ve signed multiple bad UFAs, but virtually every high priced free agent signing for every team is a loss. The true whales never become UFAs.

  119. Bulging Twine says:

    Looking at that depth chart, they need a #1 RW
    I think that last year, they projected Puljujarvi as the #1 RW
    Are they doing the same for next season?

  120. Wilde says:

    I’ve got a feeling about Samorukov.

    The playoffs next year are 50/50, and if the Oilers miss I hope they keep the current amateur scouting.

  121. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bulging Twine:
    Looking at that depth chart, they need a #1 RW
    I think that last year, they projected Puljujarvi as the #1 RW
    Are they doing the same for next season?

    Given that’s a lineup based on the organization’s players on April 15, its a little early to make that call I would think.

    I would think that Jesse is pencilled in as 2 or 3 RW at this point.

  122. OriginalPouzar says:

    Wilde:
    I’ve got a feeling about Samorukov.

    The playoffs next year are 50/50, and if the Oilers miss I hope they keep the current amateur scouting.

    He seems to have a nice level of offensive hockey IQ and skills along with a decent amount of physicality to go with good skating.

    His defensive game needs alot of work but he is a teenager.

    I’m hoping whoever drafts Merkley next year keeps him in the NHL (probably unlikely) so that Samorukov can play more consistently in offensive situations.

    At the very least McFadden will be gone so he’ll see some better minutes already.

  123. Dominoiler says:

    Cassandra: Great post.And it goes to show what we’ve come to learn.Peter Chiarelli doesn’t think talent wins hockey games.

    As Willis put it at the beginning of the year, the plan was to build Lemaire’s Wild with McDavid.

    That is why we are here.Nicholson said we have to stick to the plan.This is where we are going to be forever.Even the good version of this plan is terribly disappointing.

    All the talk of the OBC is just deflection from this plan.

    Just throwing an idea out there, what if the Old Boys Club were actually proponents for a high flying, high pressure, carry the puck into the zone type team?.. would that make their red wine musings more valued to the fan base?.. #RedWineMusings

    Could the obc actually​ deliver such a team, that is another thing altogether..

    A question to the Many, if you don’t like lemaire hockey then what concept would you prefer the oilers to build around?.. 80s oilers, present day penguins, the Red Wings of the past decade?.. all this is moot tho, since the cupboard​s are bare, current depth in key positions is weak, and the club’s cap space is shot to hell.. so with that all taken into consideration, is the TMc approach a good use of available talent?.. i tend to say no, but 5v5 they have fairly good numbers with middling goaltending..

  124. OriginalPouzar says:

    Wayne Kenov: Stop with Hebig!!!

    Why? Because you’ve determined that he’s not a prospect worth talking about – presumably because his big year was as an over-ager?

    He’s a distant bell for the NHL for sure but I’m not about to discount him completely before he even plays a pro game.

    He has skill and a good hockey IQ and had a very nice season (as an over-ager) after missing a full year due to injury.

    Sometimes players, undrafted players, make the NHL.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_undrafted_NHL_players_with_100_games_played

  125. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Lowetide: I still love Maria.

    I knew I could count on you to get that ancient reference.

  126. Professor Q says:

    Bruce McCurdy: I knew I could count on you to get that ancient reference.

    Oh I got it too. I just was thinking of beautiful pairings in hockey at the time as well.

  127. Wayne Kenov says:

    OriginalPouzar: Why?Because you’ve determined that he’s not a prospect worth talking about – presumably because his big year was as an over-ager?

    He’s a distant bell for the NHL for sure but I’m not about to discount him completely before he even plays a pro game.

    He has skill and a good hockey IQ and had a very nice season (as an over-ager) after missing a full year due to injury.

    Sometimes players, undrafted players, make the NHL.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_undrafted_NHL_players_with_100_games_played

    I haven’t “completely discounted him”. I’m just saying lets see him make the Condors full time before we start anointing him as a candidate to play top 6 down the line. Mitch Holmberg was a much better junior player. I just don’t understand you’re deal with Hebig. Why not Marody? Why not Vessel? Why not Rasanen? Why not Brind’Amour?

  128. Ryan says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Lots of parity in the middle.

    Talent heavy teams at the top

    Talent light teams at the bottom

    For a moment there, I thought you were describing a ‘mullet.’

  129. Woogie63 says:

    Benson-Marody-Yamamoto

    Should be a thing in Cali until January 2019.

  130. slopitch says:

    JimmyV1965: I’m not sure what people mean when they say whale hunting. I know we traded away a whale in Hall. I can’t recall ever trading for a whale. We’ve signed multiple bad UFAs, but virtually every high priced free agent signing for every team is a loss. The true whales never become UFAs.

    I’d say any big name ufa signing or trading Nuge or JP for a dman would qualify as whale hunting. I just don’t see it working.

  131. OriginalPouzar says:

    Wayne Kenov: I haven’t “completely discounted him”. I’m just saying lets see him make the Condors full time before we start anointing him as a candidate to play top 6 down the line. Mitch Holmberg was a much better junior player. I just don’t understand you’re deal with Hebig. Why not Marody? Why not Vessel? Why not Rasanen? Why not Brind’Amour?

    I’ve mentioned all those guys (except Brind’Amour) many times.

    I’ve mentioned Vesel in this very thread – in my first post – saying he should get an ELC right away (and not just an AHL deal). I’ve mentioned Marody various times and made a point of watching three Michigan games after the trade – in fact he’s my top of all the secondary prospects. I’ve mentioned Rasanen couple dozen times since the World Juniors considering he had such a strong tournament and was trusted by his coach in all situations.

    I didn’t realize I had to list every prospect with an up arrow in order to appease.

    Jesus – about 5% of the posters want to talk about the future, the path forward, the players in the system – as opposed to bitching about the players that are gone (or never were) and trying to dissect upper management in the most non-constructive way possible – and I get effing nitpicked for mentioning a C plus prospect instead of a couple B prospects – what a joke!

    No wonder I stopped posting for a few weeks – insufferable.

  132. Lowetide says:

    People can talk about what they want. I haven’t stopped the Hall train, and have no plans to stop the Hebig dirigible. If you don’t like the subject a person brings up, just pass on to the next post.

    I enjoy the prospect chatter.

  133. godot10 says:

    Bulging Twine:
    Looking at that depth chart, they need a #1 RW
    I think that last year, they projected Puljujarvi as the #1 RW
    Are they doing the same for next season?

    I think they were projecting Ryan Strome as Rob Brown.

  134. godot10 says:

    Woogie63:
    Benson-Marody-Yamamoto

    Should be a thing in Cali until January 2019.

    One would think Marody got the Caggiula handshake on the side.

  135. OriginalPouzar says:

    Woogie63:
    Benson-Marody-Yamamoto

    Should be a thing in Cali until January 2019.

    How so? Only way they can be assigned to the AHL in January is, if they are on the IR coming out of camp or on the NHL roster.

  136. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lowetide:
    People can talk about what they want. I haven’t stopped the Hall train, and have no plans to stop the Hebig dirigible. If you don’t like the subject a person brings up, just pass on to the next post.

    I enjoy the prospect chatter.

    I was told expressly to stop talking about the prospect (who I don’t think I’ve mentioned since the Pats were eliminated weeks back until today).

  137. Bulging Twine says:

    Listened to Chiarelli’s year end conference again, particularly listening for his intentions with the wingers.

    He didn’t give any indication that he was looking to improve on the Wing.

    He admitted to maybe overprojecting some of the younger players.
    my question is, is he going to do the same thing this year?

    In my opinion he has to bring in a #1 RW

  138. OriginalPouzar says:

    Some great Marody (and Benson and Vesel) highlights in this small package:

    https://youtu.be/cFGjFB4dk-4

  139. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Gret99zky:
    If Nurse signs for $3.3M he needs to fire his agent.

    With his lack of consistent play and offense if he signs above 3 they need to take Chia off that desk or fire him .

    You either want to play on the McD Oilers or you want out. Simple as that. They can’t afford to pay non high scoring players above market anymore. Nurse hasn’t established yet wheat he is, so bridge.

    I don’t see the natural hockey IQ, I don’t see a consistent offensive D in him or a consistent defensive D yet.

    A very valuable player yes perhaps, but an elite one not likely given next year he’s 24. Elite players are doing it by then.

  140. leadfarmer says:

    Well at least we didn’t trade Panarin for Saad who was a favorite of people who like slow Corsi

  141. Andy Dufresne says:

    Bruce McCurdy: I knew I could count on you to get that ancient reference.

    Im waiting for the two of you to break into a verse or two of “How Do You Solve a Problem Like Mr. Chia” HaHa

  142. OriginalPouzar says:

    Scungilli Slushy: With his lack of consistent play and offense if he signs above 3 they need to take Chia off that desk or fire him .

    You either want to play on the McD Oilers or you want out.Simple as that. They can’t afford to pay non high scoring players above market anymore. Nurse hasn’t established yet wheat he is, so bridge.

    I don’t see the natural hockey IQ, I don’t see a consistent offensive D in him or a consistent defensive D yet.

    A very valuable player yes perhaps, but an elite one not likely given next year he’s 24. Elite players are doing it by then.

    Nurse was actually 35th in the entire NHL in even strength points for d-men.

    His offence at evens was actually quite good but he received almost zero PP time (not really a good PP option right now).

    Yes, he’s got some hockey IQ issues with the puck past the redline and, in particular, past the blue line but he’s improved each and every year and continues to improve.

    He played top pairing minutes essentially the entire year – hard minutes against top competition – and for 400 of those minutes he was carrying Russell playing his off-side.

    I’m not saying to open the bank for him but $3M isn’t a reasonable floor – I think the floor is closer to $4M. Over $3M as a “fireable offence” for Chiarelli is not a reasonable position, in my opinion.

  143. leadfarmer says:

    Travis Sanheim is another defenseman I wouldn’t mind if we picked up but he would cost us our first.
    Honka I doubt Stars want to sell low on but he may be someone that we could bring along for a pp qb. Poor numbers but Hitch doesn’t like young d and unless you are the 4th winger on the all star line looking at you Klingberg the numbers outside of Faksa are horrendous. So he may recover, wouldn’t count on it but if you can get him for a 3rd I would give it a go.
    Myers is decent two way defenseman that for some reason Woodguy lumped his stats for two years which most people recognize he had a very bad year last year and decent rebound year this year, but cap hit is an issue.

    I’m liking my Nashville Bruins final prediction

  144. Andy Dufresne says:

    JimmyV1965: I’m not sure what people mean when they say whale hunting. I know we traded away a whale in Hall. I can’t recall ever trading for a whale. We’ve signed multiple bad UFAs, but virtually every high priced free agent signing for every team is a loss. The true whales never become UFAs.

    There is a species called Dwarf Sperm Whale.
    John Carlson is UFA

    For the record, not a great year to be looking at Top 4 UFA RHD not a lot on the open market. Prices will be high.

  145. Bos8 says:

    Hey O/Pouzar

    Thanks for the ref on Marody. Appreciated.

    Saw the kids in Penticton and I didn’t like Yama, compared to the Europeans. I feel he needs speed or quickness to compensate for his size and I didn’t see that. Obviously I’m in the minority here.

    Both Maximov and Safin showed better and scored on hard accurate shots from mid range. Safin was more the floater, Maximov top end talent,

  146. Andy Dufresne says:

    OriginalPouzar: I’ve mentioned all those guys (except Brind’Amour) many times.

    I’ve mentioned Vesel in this very thread – in my first post – saying he should get an ELC right away (and not just an AHL deal).I’ve mentioned Marody various times and made a point of watching three Michigan games after the trade – in fact he’s my top of all the secondary prospects. I’ve mentioned Rasanen couple dozen times since the World Juniors considering he had such a strong tournament and was trusted by his coach in all situations.

    I didn’t realize I had to list every prospect with an up arrow in order to appease.

    Jesus – about 5% of the posters want to talk about the future, the path forward, the players in the system – as opposed to bitching about the players that are gone (or never were) and trying to dissect upper management in the most non-constructive way possible – and I get effing nitpicked for mentioning a C plus prospect instead of a couple B prospects – what a joke!

    No wonder I stopped posting for a few weeks – insufferable.

    You are the poster boy for “calm reasoned approach” on this site.

    If you cant do it no one can.

    Keep Calm and Carry On!

  147. leadfarmer says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    I do wonder if anyone has done an analysis on UFA signings of 4 years or more. I wouldn’t be surprised if only a third or are worthwhile for greater than 3/4 of the contract

  148. Andy Dufresne says:

    leadfarmer:
    Andy Dufresne,

    I do wonder if anyone has done an analysis on UFA signings of 4 years or more.I wouldn’t be surprised if only a third orare worthwhile for greater than 3/4 of the contract

    I think you are correct. For a long time now it has been a part of most NHL business models to “pay full price for 3/4 term” on older UFA’s. Meaning they are willing to overpay for the last 1/4 to get high quality first 3/4s in what they perceive to be thier window of opportunity.

    RHD John Carlson is 28. Some one is going to give him too much term in order to have him for the next four years. Its Risky Business. Some would say No Risk No Reward.

    The league is changing and the popular narrative/trend is (for good reason) Draft and Develop.

    However, Draft and Develop stands in stark contradiction to the rate at which GMs are hired and fired these days. Makes me wonder how the job of GM is going to morph over time …probably into something more consensus based ….will Gms have more power or less?

    Edit: Yes. I Know. In Lucics case overpay for the last 3/4ths

  149. Definitely Not Wayne Kenov says:

    Wayne Kenov: I haven’t “completely discounted him”. I’m just saying lets see him make the Condors full time before we start anointing him as a candidate to play top 6 down the line. Mitch Holmberg was a much better junior player. I just don’t understand you’re deal with Hebig. Why not Marody? Why not Vessel? Why not Rasanen? Why not Brind’Amour?

    You are so incredibly sexy and funny. Every comment you leave is an insightful tidbit that brightens the day of everyone here. Keep on Keepin on.

  150. leadfarmer says:

    I can’t believe how badly the Caps are playing defensively. That’s three very high danger scoring chance that ended up in their net ( chances below face off dot that goalie has to move to get in position). They are playing like the Oilers defensively

  151. Hardly ever angry says:

    Definitely Not Wayne Kenov: You are so incredibly sexy and funny. Every comment you leave is an insightful tidbit that brightens the day of everyone here. Keep on Keepin on.

    I liked him better as Gayfish.

  152. leadfarmer says:

    So one thing that stats has not broken down is the very high danger scoring chances. So next season before everyone places huge bets on William Karlsson dropping to a 20 goal season please take a look at his goals. At least 70% are of the very high danger variety. As long as Vegas doesn’t lose too much skill in offseason I would think he will easily get 30 again. He needs to thank Florida for giving him Marchessault who sets him up with all these tap in goals
    https://youtu.be/mAdFQyjJ6Qg

  153. WayneKenov says:

    OriginalPouzar: I’ve mentioned all those guys (except Brind’Amour) many times.

    I’ve mentioned Vesel in this very thread – in my first post – saying he should get an ELC right away (and not just an AHL deal).I’ve mentioned Marody various times and made a point of watching three Michigan games after the trade – in fact he’s my top of all the secondary prospects. I’ve mentioned Rasanen couple dozen times since the World Juniors considering he had such a strong tournament and was trusted by his coach in all situations.

    I didn’t realize I had to list every prospect with an up arrow in order to appease.

    Jesus – about 5% of the posters want to talk about the future, the path forward, the players in the system – as opposed to bitching about the players that are gone (or never were) and trying to dissect upper management in the most non-constructive way possible – and I get effing nitpicked for mentioning a C plus prospect instead of a couple B prospects – what a joke!

    No wonder I stopped posting for a few weeks – insufferable.

    FYI it was a friendly jab. Talk about whoever you want. I’m just curious why you have Hebig in the headlights. It’s not the first time I’ve brought up the same question.

  154. Lowetide says:

    WayneKenov: FYI it was a friendly jab. Talk about whoever you want. I’m just curious why you have Hebig in the headlights. It’s not the first time I’ve brought up the same question.

    Clearly it’s had an impact, I would request you pass by the next reference and engage a more inviting subject. Thanks.

  155. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – If Columbus beats Washington in the first round, there will have to be changes

    – Maybe a Jay Beagle, Alex Chiasson don’t resign: nice bottom-6 pieces.

    – Their D is really expensive as well

    – Maybe a good candidate for a hockey-trade team…

  156. WayneKenov says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – If Columbus beats Washington in the first round, there will have to be changes

    – Maybe a Jay Beagle, Alex Chiasson comes free: nice bottom-6 pieces.

    – Their D is really expensive as well

    – Maybe a good candidate for a hockey-trade team…

    Hopefully they take it to 7. I have Columbus in the SCF, so it’s just about getting the games played right.

  157. Lowetide says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – If Columbus beats Washington in the first round, there will have to be changes

    – Maybe a Jay Beagle, Alex Chiasson comes free: nice bottom-6 pieces.

    – Their D is really expensive as well

    – Maybe a good candidate for a hockey-trade team…

    Agree. Pieces I like:

    1. Andre Burakovsky. Would trade Strome for him, he was McDavid’s linemate for a year.
    2. Christian Djoos. He’s pretty amazing.
    3. Philipp Grubauer. He’s be a fabulous get.

  158. Munny says:

    OriginalPouzar: How so?Only way they can be assigned to the AHL in January is, if they are on the IR coming out of camp or on the NHL roster.

    Not starting in January. Woogie said AHL until January. Kenov might’ve had you a bit distracted.

  159. flyfish1168 says:

    Lowetide: Agree. Pieces I like:

    1. Andre Burakovsky. Would trade Strome for him, he was McDavid’s linemate for a year.
    2. Christian Djoos. He’s pretty amazing.
    3. Philipp Grubauer. He’s be a fabulous get.

    Make a bigger deal and try to pry Madison Bowey our RHD

  160. WayneKenov says:

    Finally! A game that isn’t a blowout!!!

  161. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Lowetide,

    – Burakovsky be all German Code speaking with Drai…Das goals

  162. OriginalPouzar says:

    Munny: Andre Burakovsky

    Oh, until January – yes, that is much different – thank you.

  163. Wilde says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – If Columbus beats Washington in the first round, there will have to be changes

    – Maybe a Jay Beagle, Alex Chiasson don’t resign: nice bottom-6 pieces.

    – Their D is really expensive as well

    – Maybe a good candidate for a hockey-trade team…

    Beagle and Chiasson both set off my gritensity alarm.

    Negative possession rel players unless offensively deployed, where they still don’t score.

    All against 4th line comp.

    Goodness gracious, son of a seacook, etc.

    Also, why did OP get dinked on randomly tonight?

    Oh well, it’s been addressed.

    Less than two weeks until we win a top three pick in the draft lottery and become the true supervillains of the NHL, fellas.

  164. Lowetide says:

    If the Oilers win a lottery again this year, Ed Snider is going to rise up AND SEND LIGHTNING THROUGH THE BRAIN PARTS OF EVERY OWNER IN THE LEAGUE!

  165. Wilde says:

    So we know for sure the Blues are going to be active this summer, the Rangers too, Washington, and then of course any other veteran team who gets eliminated in the first round.

    The Rangers though, were apparently shopping even the guys they just traded for at the deadline(Spooner).

    Here’s their expiring contract forwards:

    Spooner
    Hayes
    Namestikov
    Desharnais
    Vesey
    McLeod
    Carey

    They’re under exactly zero pressure to deal though, so there’s that.

  166. Ben says:

    Draisaitl for Ovechkin straight up. Who says no? Or…yes?

  167. Wilde says:

    Lowetide:
    If the Oilers win a lottery again this year, Ed Snider is going to rise up AND SEND LIGHTNING THROUGH THE BRAIN PARTS OF EVERY OWNER IN THE LEAGUE!

    I think Snider’s ghost realises half of them probably already pay 10 grand a week to an anti-aging clinic in San Francisco for that exact treatment already, so it’s not really a threat.

  168. Ribs says:

    Lowetide: 1. Andre Burakovsky. Would trade Strome for him, he was McDavid’s linemate for a year.

    I find this incredibly funny for some reason. It’s The Ryan Strome Effect, in full force.

  169. who says:

    Ben:
    Draisaitl for Ovechkin straight up. Who says no? Or…yes?

    No.
    22 year old Drai is better value than 32 year old Ovy.
    Not even debatable really.

  170. godot10 says:

    Ben:
    Draisaitl for Ovechkin straight up. Who says no? Or…yes?

    The would be the dumbest deal in the history of hockey.

  171. Ben says:

    godot10,

    I’m guessing you’re a “no”, but your hyperbole is so inane it’s actually hard to tell.

  172. JimmyV1965 says:

    Andy Dufresne: There is a species called Dwarf Sperm Whale.
    John Carlson is UFA

    For the record, not a great year to be looking at Top 4 UFA RHD not a lot on the open market. Prices will be high.

    Carlson is a good example of the dangers signing UFAs. He had 68 pts this year. His next best season was 55 three years ago and he’s been under 40 every year otherwise. He might get $8 mill on the open market. It’s unreasonable to expect 68 pts from him ever again.

  173. JimmyV1965 says:

    leadfarmer:
    Andy Dufresne,

    I do wonder if anyone has done an analysis on UFA signings of 4 years or more.I wouldn’t be surprised if only a third orare worthwhile for greater than 3/4 of the contract

    I think it would be even less. The year we signed Lucic, I’m not sure even one of those UFAs lived up to their contract.

  174. Ribs says:

    who: No.
    22 year old Drai is better value than 32 year old Ovy.
    Not even debatable really.

    Not a chance. But…I’ve been trying to figure out what would have to be added to the deal to make it happen.

    It’s a lot.

    Most likely not going to happen, I’m afraid.

    Dare to dream, though!

  175. WayneKenov says:

    Ben:
    Draisaitl for Ovechkin straight up. Who says no? Or…yes?

    If I was afraid of nuclear war with Russia, and wanted a human shield that Putin would hesitate to take out, then maybe.

  176. Wilde says:

    JimmyV1965: I think it would be even less.The year we signed Lucic, I’m not sure even one of those UFAs lived up to their contract.

    Speaking of which, all I think we need to do is what Boston did with Backes. They found him a role to hide his deficiencies.

    Almost immediately, too. The Bruins were damn close to this Bruins team last year too, they just got super injured.

  177. Gerta Rauss says:

    Lowetide:
    If the Oilers win a lottery again this year, Ed Snider is going to rise up AND SEND LIGHTNING THROUGH THE BRAIN PARTS OF EVERY OWNER IN THE LEAGUE!

    Marion, don’t look at it. Shut your eyes, Marion. Don’t look at it, no matter what happens

  178. who says:

    JimmyV1965: I think it would be even less.The year we signed Lucic, I’m not sure even one of those UFAs lived up to their contract.

    If I was an owner I wouldn’t let my GM sign any UFA for more than 3 years. Unless I was extending one of my own guys and was very comfortable with the player. It would basically force the GM to shop in the UFA bargain bin.
    I bet less than 10 % of these big money, long term, UFA deals prove to be good investments.

  179. OmJo says:

    Scungilli Slushy: With his lack of consistent play and offense if he signs above 3 they need to take Chia off that desk or fire him .

    You either want to play on the McD Oilers or you want out.Simple as that. They can’t afford to pay non high scoring players above market anymore. Nurse hasn’t established yet wheat he is, so bridge.

    I don’t see the natural hockey IQ, I don’t see a consistent offensive D in him or a consistent defensive D yet.

    A very valuable player yes perhaps, but an elite one not likely given next year he’s 24. Elite players are doing it by then.

    While I would prefer a bridge for Nurse as well, he ranked 34 (tied with Parayko) in even-strength scoring (27pts in 82 games) this season for defencemen. While that isn’t high, it isn’t low either. He had 39:25 of PP time all season so his EV scoring is significant.

    Not elite but he has the tools to be a very good defenceman in this league. If he wasn’t playing top pairing I expect we’d have seen him better in his own end and if he was given more PP time his numbers would have been better as well. We don’t really have a player with his skillset in the system, do we?

  180. JimmyV1965 says:

    Ben:
    Draisaitl for Ovechkin straight up. Who says no? Or…yes?

    No. Age.

  181. Gret99zky says:

    Ben:
    Draisaitl for Ovechkin straight up. Who says no? Or…yes?

    No. But Lucic for Ovechkin straight up. Washington saves $ and gets younger.

    Washington needs that “Lucic type” player to go deep into the playoffs. LOL.

  182. JimmyV1965 says:

    Wilde: Speaking of which, all I think we need to do is what Boston did with Backes. They found him a role to hide his deficiencies.

    Almost immediately, too. The Bruins were damn close to this team last year too, they just got super injured.

    Agreed. Put him on the third line and let him work his way down, or up.

  183. Gret99zky says:

    RE: Darnell Nurse

    A team could go as high as $3.9M on an offer sheet and only give up a 2nd round pick.

  184. JimmyV1965 says:

    who: If I was an owner I wouldn’t let my GM sign any UFA for more than 3 years. Unless I was extending one of my own guys and was very comfortable with the player. It would basically force the GM to shop in the UFA bargain bin.
    I bet less than 10 % of these big money, long term, UFA deals prove to be good investments.

    Agreed. The bargain bin almost seems to be an afterthought for GMs, but those are the best signings Russell at $1 mill was great. I like Versteeg again this year.

  185. Gerta Rauss says:

    2 late goals by Neal and Karlsson and Vegas is 5min away from a 3-0 series lead

  186. deardylan says:

    Can you imagine if Vegas won Stanley Cup…it would be the mother of all vegas parties! I am booking my flight right now.

  187. Wilde says:

    Vegas winning the division and sweeping the Kings should kill any attempt to argue from the authority of NHL management and coaching staffs regarding player evaluation.

    But I have a feeling it’ll be about feelings instead.

  188. Ribs says:

    How great would it be if Bear is the next Werenski or Gostisbehere?

  189. who says:

    Ribs:
    How great would it be if Bear is the next Werenski or Gostisbehere?

    I don’t think Bear’s skating is on the same level as these guys

  190. deardylan says:

    OP!

    Holy Personality Styles Batman! The exact reason you want to leave this forum is the exact reason we need you to stay.

    The theory DISC/Myers Briggs/Personality models often show people are hardwired to focus on the past. Pain is usually stronger than Gain. (With LT I love the gain he sees from the past)

    Hey you can’t really argue with the reality that you can upgrade their OSX especially because it is harder for them to change as their hardware gets older.

    “When I argue with reality, I only lose 100% of the time.” Bryon Katie

    Your OSX seems to find it more exciting to focus on the future. Respond to posters who focus on the future and ignore the others.

    Never relinquish your choice.

    Your thinking creates your choice. Your choice creates your reaction. Your reaction creates your words. Your words create your world.

    You are the average of the 5 people that you hang around with and respond to their posts.

    PS. Have you read Man’s Search For Meaning for the Meaning?

  191. Gret99zky says:

    Scungilli Slushy: With his lack of consistent play and offense if he signs above 3 they need to take Chia off that desk or fire him .

    You either want to play on the McD Oilers or you want out.
    Simple as that. They can’t afford to pay non high scoring players above market anymore. Nurse hasn’t established yet what he is, so bridge.

    The “sign for less because McDavid” myth was born June 26, 2015.

    But it’s just a myth.

    Lucic didn’t take a discount to play on McD Oilers.

    Drai didn’t take a discount to play on McD Oilers.

    Russell didn’t take a discount to play on McD Oilers.

    Maybe Rattie did. But not much.

    Why should Nurse take a discount to play on McD Oilers when nobody else does?

  192. JimmyV1965 says:

    Just finished listening to a podcast with Keith Conroy from the Boston Herald. When asked why the team could retool so quickly, the first thing he mentioned was the 2014 draft and then the 2015 draft.

  193. OriginalPouzar says:

    Stuart Skinner and Swift Current in game 7 tonight – here is hoping they can win and move on.

    Our last prospect playing (Hebig will be back in the Memorial Cup for the host city, Regina).

  194. OriginalPouzar says:

    Gret99zky:
    RE: Darnell Nurse

    A team could go as high as $3.9M on an offer sheet and only give up a 2nd round pick.

    I’d be quite happy if another team negotiated a $3.9M deal for Nurse for us – I’d match that and get on to the next item of business.

  195. OriginalPouzar says:

    Gret99zky: The “sign for less because McDavid” myth was born June 26, 2015.

    But it’s just a myth.

    Lucic didn’t take a discount to play on McD Oilers.

    Drai didn’t take a discount to play on McD Oilers.

    Russell didn’t take a discount to play on McD Oilers.

    Maybe Rattie did.But not much.

    Why should Nurse take a discount to play on McD Oilers when nobody else does?

    Agreed – there is no such thing as the “McDavid Discount” and players aren’t signing with the Oilers due to jumping at the chance to play with McDavid.

    The Oilers are still in a place where they need to over-pay to keep their material free agents – maybe that is on management but it continues.

    With that said, it really is tough for me to figure out how much Darnell is worth on his next deal. He had a great arrows up year but an up and down year at the same time. He did play 1st line/tough comp minutes for a material portion of the year and did OK – even when paired with an off-side Kris Russell playing 2 pairs up the order.

    His offensive IQ is middling but, then again, he was in the top 40 in ES points. His PK abilities improved throughout the year.

    I don’t imagine he signs for less than $4M per and I wouldn’t think he should. He’s earned that.

    I would be just find if he signed a Klefbom/Larsson type contract and I think that’s the best case scenario. He could come in higher if he commits term.

  196. Professor Q says:

    deardylan:
    Can you imagine if Vegas won Stanley Cup…it would be the mother of all vegas parties!I am booking my flight right now.

    Or if they were like the Titans and came up a yard short (post miss in OT in Finals Game 7).

  197. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    – There is a lot of merit to signing him to the bridge, at sub $3MM for two years

    – Then you have both more cap room, and either he continues to develop and you sign him longer term when Russel/Sek are gone, or trade him later on

    – Given cap growth, I think he costs more than Klef or Larsson at $4.166/year long-term. It’s a tough call: you hurt the dynamics of the team if Nurse is a $5MM guy (and used less than those 2), but if he gets better, he is going to cost more.

  198. Gret99zky says:

    OriginalPouzar: I’d be quite happy if another team negotiated a $3.9M deal for Nurse for us – I’d match that and get on to the next item of business.

    Yes. That’s why $3.9M is the starting point in negotiations, not the ceiling. Any team would give up a 2nd round pick for Nurse at this price.

    He will probably cost the Oilers between $4-4.5M even on a bridge deal.

    This talk of $2.5M or $3.3M is fantasy.

    Question:

    Could Chiarelli win a Nurse trade?

  199. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Gret99zky:

    He will probably cost the Oilers between $4-4.5M even on a bridge deal.

    This talk of $2.5M or $3.3M is fantasy.

    – The precedent transactions point to a sub-$3MM on a bridge.

    – Read a good article laying out the recent comps: that’s his range. Sometimes we forget he’s only 3 years into his career, he’s a RFA: he just slots into a range on a bridge

    – Here’s the article: Dumba, Trouba, Murray, etc all sub-$3MM

    https://www.coppernblue.com/2018/4/15/17240038/offseason-worklist-darnell-nurses-contract-nhl-edmonton-oilers-news-signings-trades-new-contract

  200. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Woodguy v2.0: He’s not as good as Benning imo and has been more sheltered

    That might be true but Honka’s ceiling is much higher. Not close, imo. Way more talented.

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