Shine a Light

The Edmonton Oilers have a chance to secure another brilliant diamond in the McDavid cluster with astute drafting at No. 9 or higher. Since 2010, the club has been (mostly) drafting in wonderful places in the first round. This time, it’s at the end of the top 10 before the lottery. If Peter Chiarelli is going to trade the pick for a RHD, one would think the acquired player would need to be under control for several years. Who could it be?

THE ATHLETIC!

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  • New Lowetide: Connor McDavid’s outstanding 2017-18 season.
  • New Jonathan Willis: Leon had a good season but should be better 2018-19.
  • New Jonathan Willis: Oilers Prospects and how they fared this season.
  • Lowetide: Rattie signed, more work to do on right-wing.
  • Lowetide: Trio of Condors blue have very different rookie experiences.
  • Black Dog Pat: Not firing Chiarelli a slap in the face to Oilers fans.
  • Lowetide: Trading the first-round pick: Oilers ponder summer
  • Lowetide: Oilers summer to-do list short and sweet.
  • Lowetide: Draft 2018: The Oilers and Russia: A draft tragedy.
  • Lowetide: Draft 2018: The Oilers and the Republic of Finland
  • Lowetide: Draft 2018: The Oilers and Sweden.
  • Lowetide: Draft 2018: The Oilers and the QMJHL.
  • Lowetide: Draft 2018Oilers and the WHL.
  • Lowetide: Draft 2018: Oilers draft history and the OHL
  • Lowetide: Draft 2018: The Oilers and the NCAA.

CENTRAL SCOUTING’S FINAL LIST

There are four lists, making it impossible to debate rankings like we do on all of the other lists. What we can do is point out some major spikes from mid-term to the end. Yesterday, I mentioned a few selections I anticipated moving up, let’s see what actually happened.

  • Joe Veleno moving up from No. 13 North American. He moved to No. 8 NA. 
  • Ty Dellandrea moving up from No. 76 North American. He moved to No. 25 NA. 
  • Liam Foudy moving up from No. 91 North American. He moved up to No. 19 NA. 
  • Aidan Dudas moving up from No. 131 North American. He moved up to No. 68 NA. 
  • Dominik Bokk moving up from No. 8 European. He moved down to No. 12 EURO. 
  • Samuel Fagemo moving up from No. 40 European. He moved down to OFF EURO. 

Some major jumps and falls in this final stanza, and guess what the European rankings will adjust again for NHL teams. Although Central Scouting doesn’t impact rankings for individual teams, it does track these players over the season and trends (as above) should be monitored.

I’m about six weeks away from my final list (June 1) which will appear on this blog. I can tell you that the list (here) will be 125 names deep and the next update comes at the end of this month. I am very comfortable with the top 10 being close to final:

  1. LD Rasmus Dahlin, Frolunda (SHL). EURO No. 1 
  2. R Andrei Svechnikov, Barrie Colts (OHL). NA No. 1
  3. L Filip Zadina, Halifax Mooseheads (QMJHL). NA No. 3
  4. LD Ty Smith, Spokane Chiefs (WHL). NA No. 14
  5. RC Oliver Wahlstrom, U.S. N. D. P. (USHL). NA No. 7
  6. RD Adam Boqvist, Brynas (SuperElite)EURO No. 2 
  7. LD Quinn Hughes, Michigan (NCAA). NA No. 6
  8. LC Jacob Olofsson, Timra (Allsvenskan). EURO No. 9
  9. LC Joe Veleno, Saint-John Sea Dogs (QMJHL). NA No. 8
  10. L Brady Tkachuk, Boston University (NCAA). NA No. 2 

SIMON BOISVERT, PROSPECT INSIDER

Simon Boisvert is a wildly popular guest on the Lowdown, and from time to time I pass along his thoughts through the blog. He had a chance to watch the Condors down the stretch and had a few words about some of the late arrivals.

  • Dmitri Samorukov: He was the revelation of the bunch, he’s only in his 18 year old season. He played really well on defense. I think his ceiling is probably top 4D in the NHL, he’s big but skates well for a guy his size. Very good hockey sense.”
  • Cooper Marody: “He really picked up where he left off (NCAA to AHL). Could he play in the NHL next year? I’m sure worst case he’ll get a cup of coffee. I think it was  good trade for the Oilers.”
  • Tyler Benson: Flashes of brilliance, his skating may not be up to par to NHL standards now, but he’s an intelligent player, so perhaps he could be an efficient third liner for Edmonton one day.”
  • Ostap Safin: He didn’t play as much, was not as visible. For a fourth-round pick I think it was pretty amazing for this guy to play in the AHL and hold his own. Hopefully next year he graduates to the AHL.”

Skinner has backstopped the Broncos through two very difficult series, the next one (against his old team should be easier.

PULJUJARVI NOT GOING

According to this report, Jesse Puljujarvi won’t be going to the World Hockey Championships. JP told Iltalehde “there has been little trouble, they must now be put in order. I now need a good and intact training course.” Story is here.

Google translate is good and bad. Good because they give us words we comprehend, bad because the true meaning of the quote remains beyond us. I could say something like “sounds like he has a good attitude” but you would think me crazy. And you’d be right. That said, it sounds like he has a good attitude.

WHAT CAN YOU GET FOR NO. 9 OVERALL?

I’ve decided to pursue the idea of trading No. 9 overall for a right-handed defenseman. I would keep the pick unless overwhelmed by a stunning offer. Here are the best righthanded entry-level puck movers in terms of points (and who were still in entry deals this season, via CapFriendly):

  1. Brandon Montour, Anaheim: 79, 9-23-32. I’ve always liked him, high skill and some chaos. Very likely staying with the Ducks. Plays 20:26 a night. Age: 24
  2. Charlie McAvoy, Boston: 61, 7-25-32. Amazing young player, so good with reading the play and making good decisions. Zero chance he’s leaving Boston before 2040. Plays 22:05 a game. Age: 20
  3. Ryan Pulock, NY Islanders: 67, 9-21-30. Chiarelli and Snow have a history of making deals (Reinhart, Eberle) so this is a player Edmonton could target. Play 18:16 a game. Age: 23
  4. Matt Benning, Edmonton: 72, 6-15-21. He’s a rfa and it’s possible Benning gets dealt as part of the deal to upgrade. I like him, hope the team signs him to a value deal. Plays 17:19 per night. Age: 23
  5. Jan Rutta, Chicago: 56, 6-14-20. Interesting player, he delivered far more than expected this season. Plays 19:16 a night and an older entry player (ala Auvitu). I think there should be some interest, although lots of chaos. Age: 27
  6. Brett Pesce, Carolina: 65, 3-16-19. Already signed to another deal (it’s terrific value) and one of the valuable young defenders in the game. No chance he’s headed this way. Age: 23

I think the Oilers should keep Benning, suspect there’s little interest in Rutta because the organization wants to aim higher. Montour, McAvoy and Pesce aren’t going anywhere, leaving Ryan Pulock. Peter Chiarelli hasn’t done well in recent trades with Garth Snow, that may be the matchup again this summer. No way on earth the Oilers should trade No. 9 for Ryan Pulock.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

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  • Jonathan Willis, The Athletic. McDavid, Draisaitl and the prospects who are surging.
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180 Responses to "Shine a Light"

  1. leadfarmer says:

    Translation Chia and TMac are pissed at me for last offseason. I guess I will start working on it right away.

  2. Hemsky is a gangsta says:

    What about Chris Tanev or …. Dougie Hamilton?

  3. Confused says:

    Perhaps not.

    Here is another Finish article from a couple of days ago.

    Assuming Google is ballpark and the journalist was accurate, it implies JP had another procedure last summer which again impacted his training.

    https://www.mtv.fi/sport/mmjaakiekko/artikkeli/kummola-murahtaa-mm-kieltaytymisista-suora-kommentti-puljujarven-tilanteesta/6866594#gs.dF0WaaM

  4. leadfarmer says:

    I think your list of who we may be targeting is a little full of guy that we are not going to get. Here is some guys that may be on the radar
    Brodie – Well known player. Awful advanced stats. Like Hamonic bad when he left the Isles
    Sanheim – Offensive acumen. Growing. Dont think he moves as they are in a win now mode but they do have a bunch of prospects
    Honka – Definitely not for our high first rounder but could maybe get him for our second or third. Not the first young player to not have success with Hitch. We always blame this franchise for giving up on players too early, might be able to take advantage of another franchise doing the same
    Myers – Jets roster will get expensive. Hellebyuck, Laine, Wheeler, Connor, Trouba, Morrissey will need contracts this year or next year. He’s expensive and UFA after next year but would be our best PP guy. I think they keep him for next year but then there is no way they can afford hiim. Those Perrault, Little, and Mason contracts are going to hurt. Especially those last two.
    Pulock. Heavy heavy shot. Hard to evaluate player as the Islanders do not play defense, like at all.
    Its the 5 Russell technique were they just all collapse low for some reason. Being a yound d in that environment I dont think suggesting coverage will be an issue is out of line.
    Hamilton – Dont think he moves
    Chris Tanev – we really need someone that is better offensively.

  5. Dicky94 says:

    1st and Benning for Ellis.

  6. magicaleigh says:

    Rutta signed a one year extension last month.

  7. Lowetide says:

    Hemsky is a gangsta:
    What about Chris Tanev or …. Dougie Hamilton?

    I was looking only at players in entry deals, idea being many years of control. Both of your names are terrific but require much money and are not under control (as they would be in entry).

  8. Lowetide says:

    leadfarmer:
    I think your list of who we may be targeting is a little full of guy that we are not going to get.Here is some guys that may be on the radar
    Brodie – Well known player.Awful advanced stats.Like Hamonic bad when he left the Isles
    Sanheim – Offensive acumen.Growing.Dont think he moves as they are in a win now mode but they do have a bunch of prospects
    Honka – Definitely not for our high first rounder but could maybe get him for our second or third.Not the first young player to not have success with Hitch.We always blame this franchise for giving up on players too early, might be able to take advantage of another franchise doing the same
    Myers – Jets roster will get expensive.Hellebyuck, Laine, Wheeler, Connor, Trouba, Morrissey will need contracts this year or next year.He’s expensive and UFA after next year but would be our best PP guy.I think they keep him for next year but then there is no way they can afford hiim.Those Perrault, Little, and Mason contracts are going to hurt.Especially those last two.
    Pulock.Heavy heavy shot.Hard to evaluate player as the Islanders do not play defense, like at all.
    Its the 5 Russell technique were they just all collapse low for some reason.Being a yound d in that environment I dont think suggesting coverage will be an issue is out of line.
    Hamilton – Dont think he moves
    Chris Tanev – we really need someone that is better offensively.

    All interesting names, but I was looking for entry contracts.

  9. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    According to this report, Jesse Puljujarvi won’t be going to the World Hockey Championships. JP told Iltalehde “there has been little trouble, they must now be put in order. I now need a good and intact training course.”

    Sounds like JP is the 34.423rd 19/20 year old to be told :”If you want to survive and thrive in the NHL you must become an elite athlete so you need to start training like an elite athlete and that starts now”

    I hope JP took it well and understands it.

    This is good news.

  10. Confused says:

    Jana Hakanpaa star in the FEL. Free!

  11. 36 percent body fat says:

    no to Valeno, heres hoping we get Bouchard or Whalstrom.

    If Vancouver take Hughes or Dobson we should get one of the two if we are picking at 9th.

    I like NHLE and think Ollofsson will be great, but based on where everyone else seems to have him penciled in he might be there second round for the oilers. If not Hallinders numbers are similar and so is size but he is six months younger. Than if the oilers can steal Ragnersson in the 5th or 6th round that would be a great job.

    Bouchard
    Hallinder
    Ragnersson

    2D and 1 forward with NHLEs around 32. Use all the other picks on highest NHLe forwards, or highest ranked forwards who are available.

  12. ArmchairGM says:

    “No way on earth the Oilers should trade No. 9 for Ryan Pulock.”

    So it’s settled then. Pulock it is.

  13. SwedishPoster says:

    In one of Finland’s papers that are in swedish, they have a fairly big swedish speaking population, they have a translation of Jesse’s comments : “I’ve had some minor injuries I need to take care of carefully. I want to make sure everything is 100 %. I won’t need any kind of surgery just rest and rehab. I need a full offseason of good training.”

    According to earlier reports his last two off-seasons were shortened due to surgeries so he’s decided to prioritize a full offseason of training this year. He wants to make sure he goes into summer training fully rested and healthy. Sounds like a kid looking to make a statement next season. He’ll train with Sebastian Aho btw.

  14. Jaxon says:

    Merkley dropped from 21 to 45!!!!! Wow. I still think I’d gamble on him, definitely in the first round. Pronman’s article on The Athletic discusses his issues at length and he still concludes he’d have him in the top 15.

  15. ArmchairGM says:

    From the last thread:

    Scungilli Slushy: The 2nd alone given how high it was would have been an overpay for actual performance but at least more palatable.

    Yes. A high second would be in line with “he’s going be a very good player. He was highly ranked and drafted, we’re confident in his ability and willing to pay for potential.”

  16. Pink Socks says:

    Has TMac been fired yet? Dallas is going to interview Nelson, time’s a wasting.

  17. SwedishPoster says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    According to this report, Jesse Puljujarvi won’t be going to the World Hockey Championships. JP told Iltalehde “there has been little trouble, they must now be put in order. I now need a good and intact training course.”

    Sounds like JP is the 34.423rd 19/20 year old to be told :”If you want to survive and thrive in the NHL you must become an elite athlete so you need to start training like an elite athlete and that starts now”

    I hope JP took it well and understands it.

    This is good news.

    Or he was injured and some hockey experts assuming they know everything haven’t done their research so they extrapolate guided by their bias. Looking at you Craig Simpson.

  18. Oil2Oilers says:

    SwedishPoster: He’ll train with Sebastian Aho btw.

    Now you are just being intentionally vague 😉

  19. SwedishPoster says:

    Oil2Oilers: Now you are just being intentionally vague

    Oh. Sorry for being unclear. I mean the nordic Sebastian Aho.

  20. Rondo says:

    Jaxon:
    Merkley dropped from 21 to 45!!!!! Wow. I still think I’d gamble on him, definitely in the first round. Pronman’s article on The Athletic discusses his issues at length and he still concludes he’d have him in the top 15.

    http://ohlprospects.blogspot.ca/2018/04/2018-nhl-central-scouting-final-rankings.html

    ” I suppose the first thing people will be talking about is where Ryan Merkley is ranked at #45. Which would put him towards the end of the 2nd round or early 3rd.. But I don’t think it’s necessarily surprising. NHL CSS already had Merkley as an early 2nd rounder on their midterm list and he drops even further now. The talent is there, but the late season shenanigans (including the healthy scratch) were bound to hurt him on a list like this. “

  21. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    SwedishPoster: Oh. Sorry for being inclear. I mean the nordic Sebastian Aho.

    – You mean the Finn who plays for Carolina? They are going to train together?

    – Pool able to play in the top-6 properly would solve a lot for us IMO: its a big opportunity

  22. Scungilli Slushy says:

    SwedishPoster:
    In one of Finland’s papers that are in swedish, they have a fairly big swedish speaking population, they have a translation of Jesse’s comments : “I’ve had some minor injuries I need to take care of carefully. I want to make sure everything is 100 %. I won’t need any kind of surgery just rest and rehab. I need a full offseason of good training.”

    According to earlier reports his last two off-seasons were shortened due to surgeries so he’s decided to prioritize a full offseason of training this year. He wants to make sure he goes into summer training fully rested and healthy. Sounds like a kid looking to make a statement next season. He’ll train with Sebastian Aho btw.

    Thanks for this.

  23. Rondo says:

    SwedishPoster: Oh. Sorry for being unclear. I mean the nordic Sebastian Aho.

    You mean the guy Oilers could have taken at #33 instead of the Reinhart deal.

  24. Scungilli Slushy says:

    I had not remembered he had the surgery. It can really affect players when their off season is disrupted. It would be fantastic if JP came in really fit and a little stronger, and we see him bring it every game.

  25. Jaxon says:

    Rondo: http://ohlprospects.blogspot.ca/2018/04/2018-nhl-central-scouting-final-rankings.html

    ” I suppose the first thing people will be talking about is where Ryan Merkley is ranked at #45. Which would put him towards the end of the 2nd round or early 3rd.. But I don’t think it’s necessarily surprising. NHL CSS already had Merkley as an early 2nd rounder on their midterm list and he drops even further now. The talent is there, but the late season shenanigans (including the healthy scratch) were bound to hurt him on a list like this. ”

    Yup. He has some issues but that kind of drop seems extreme. Other players who had character issues leading up to the draft: Klingberg, Eeli Tolvanen, Erik Karlsson, and current fellow prospect Adam Boqvist was mentioned as having character issues at the start of the season. His skills are elite and he is only 17 afterall. There is a lot of room for growth at that age. Not sure if take him at #12, but I would in the twenties.

  26. frjohnk says:

    No idea if there are any comparables between Merkley and DeAngelo but it would seem both are offensively gifted Dmen with maturity issues. When DeAngelo and Yzerman were having a chat about why he was not in the NHL, Yzerman told DeAngelo that he needed to be better defensively and needed to take hockey more seriously if he wanted to be an NHL regular , DeAngelo told Yzerman to “fuck off”

    Yzerman then traded him to Phoenix

    If these two are comparable, I dont think Yzerman drafts Merkley.

  27. SwedishPoster says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – You mean the Finn who plays for Carolina? They are going to train together?

    – Pool able to play in the top-6 properly would solve a lot for us IMO: its a big opportunity

    Yep. They’ll be part of the same training group.

  28. Oil2Oilers says:

    SwedishPoster: Oh. Sorry for being unclear. I mean the nordic Sebastian Aho.

    Sorry for being a dink.

    Lets hope they train with Jouko Ahola https://youtu.be/9V_PbCLCfv0

  29. Rondo says:

    SwedishPoster,

    Have you seen NILS LUNDKVIST play hockey? any opinion if so?

  30. dustrock says:

    Jesse has a huge frame and I’m sure playing elite-level hockey as a growing young man, it’s going to have an effect on his body.

    When he has his man strength, opposing teams better watch out.

  31. dustrock says:

    Not sure if I pick Merkley at 9, though you could argue it definitely on talent.

    But if he’s there around 20-25, if I’m Chia, I’m trading to get that pick.

    Getting Wahlstrom/Smith/Bouchard and Merkley in 1 round would be unbelievable.

    The Flyers have #14 and 19, maybe they’d trade the 19 for someone more roster ready from Edmonton.

  32. ArmchairGM says:

    Jaxon: Yup. He has some issues but that kind of drop seems extreme. Other players who had character issues leading up to the draft: Klingberg, Eeli Tolvanen, Erik Karlsson, and current fellow prospect Adam Boqvist was mentioned as having character issues at the start of the season. His skills are elite and he is only 17 afterall. There is a lot of room for growth at that age. Not sure if take him at #12, but I would in the twenties.

    But if this means we can get him at #40, I’m not going to dispute the current rankings.

  33. McSorley33 says:

    Since 2010, the club has been (mostly) drafting in wonderful places in the first round.
    *********************************************************************************************************
    Yep. And drafting from amazing places in the 2nd rounds as well….

    Tyler Benson: “Flashes of brilliance, ***his skating may not be up to par to NHL standards**** now, but he’s an intelligent player, so perhaps he could be an efficient third liner for Edmonton one day.”

    We are here.

  34. Confused says:

    Markley is 45 in central scouting NA only list.

    When we add in International skaters and perhaps a goalie or two.

    He actually is more like 60 – 70

  35. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    According to this report, Jesse Puljujarvi won’t be going to the World Hockey Championships. JP told Iltalehde “there has been little trouble, they must now be put in order. I now need a good and intact training course.”

    Sounds like JP is the 34.423rd 19/20 year old to be told :”If you want to survive and thrive in the NHL you must become an elite athlete so you need to start training like an elite athlete and that starts now”

    I hope JP took it well and understands it.

    This is good news.

    – His agent might add: “next year will determine your pay for lots of years: play well and you will get paid.” I think Pool likes Raha (aka Money) as much as the next guy…

  36. SwedishPoster says:

    Rondo:
    SwedishPoster,

    Have you seen NILS LUNDKVIST play hockey? any opinion if so?

    Yes I have. Ironically, considering earlier posts today, he sort of reminds of the swedish Sebastian Aho but a righty version. Small, good puckmover and skater, smart defensively, some skill but not very creative offensively, not a lot of natural. Did well in the SHL which is impressive but his upside is kinda hard to gauge since he holds his own but isn’t superdynamic or showing much brilliance, hard to tell if it’s just because he’s a young kid in a strong men’s league or he just lacks an extra gear. His game has been a similar steady one the few times I’ve seen him against his peers, could be that he’s just smart but low key but he rarely blows your mind.

  37. Munny says:

    You know when you think about it… Puljujärvi really did have a Swimsuit Season.

  38. Rondo says:

    SwedishPoster,

    Thanks, he is young and playing in the SHL. Turns 18 July 27th.

  39. Confused says:

    Still looking for RHD and don’t like the FEL, SHL

    Joel Persson or Linus Hultstrom?

  40. McSorley33 says:

    The Pacific division playoffs is like watching old vs new theories on how to build NHL teams.

  41. Rocknrolla says:

    Major things to consider when trading the no 9 pick

    No. 9 pick (or better😉):
    Potential impact in 2019, likely 2020-21
    Controlled for at least 7-9 years
    Cost certainty low 3years, maybe more
    Expansion draft exempt

    Player Traded For:
    Hopefully immediate impact
    Under contract 1-6 years?
    Cost likely higher than ELC for first 3 and avg overall
    Expansion draft available.

    Are the top 10 picks more important after CMD or before….

  42. SwedishPoster says:

    Rondo:
    SwedishPoster,

    Thanks, he is young and playing in the SHL.Turns 18 July 27th.

    Yeah, which in itself is impressive and should warrant him being picked in the first two rounds. We might get a better grasp on his upside during the U18s, can he be a force against his peers or does he stay in the middle of the road.

  43. Dustylegnd says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    According to this report, Jesse Puljujarvi won’t be going to the World Hockey Championships. JP told Iltalehde “there has been little trouble, they must now be put in order. I now need a good and intact training course.”

    Sounds like JP is the 34.423rd 19/20 year old to be told :”If you want to survive and thrive in the NHL you must become an elite athlete so you need to start training like an elite athlete and that starts now”

    I hope JP took it well and understands it.

    This is good news.

    Here is the amazing thing, the Oilers knew this kid was from the hinterland of Finland, spoke no english, would suffer serious culture shock, and struggle to adapt to life in the NHL.

    How was it that only this past year, the organization hired an English tutor for this kid?

    If Jesse is serious about adapting to life in Canada and the NHL, and realizes he is behind the development curve vs a number of his contemporaries drafted lower…….should he not take two months to train back home, return to Canada, and seek out a best in class hockey trainer (Roberts) bond with his captain, and immerse himself in everything NA??

    This kid seems to be a glaring example of the broken development system within the Oilers….I am just shocked English lessons were not mandatory from day 1, this kid is a very different project, does it not seem obvious he needs a customized development program

    To me this story stinks of organizational incompetence….seriously how hard is this stuff

  44. jtblack says:

    McSorley33:
    Since 2010, the club has been (mostly) drafting in wonderful places in the first round.
    *********************************************************************************************************
    Yep. And drafting from amazing places in the 2nd rounds as well….

    Tyler Benson: “Flashes of brilliance, ***his skating may not be up to par to NHL standards**** now, but he’s an intelligent player, so perhaps he could be an efficient third liner for Edmonton one day.”

    We are here.

    Not exactly a ringing endorsement. Skating is “choppy” for sure.

    Skipped on Debrincat. Now we have a guy we “hope” can be a 3rd liner.

    Buts lets be honest. If we can get a 2nd round pick to the NHL, that would be a win for Edm.

  45. Dustylegnd says:

    SwedishPoster: Or he was injured and some hockey experts assuming they know everything haven’t done their research so they extrapolate guided by their bias. Looking at you Craig Simpson.

    He is a MSM conduit for the OBC….

  46. Side says:

    Dustylegnd:

    How was it that only this past year, the organization hired an English tutor for this kid?

    This kid seems to be a glaring example of the broken development system within the Oilers….I am just shocked English lessons were not mandatory from day 1, this kid is a very different project, does it not seem obvious he needs a customized development program

    To me this story stinks of organizational incompetence….seriously how hard is this stuff

    This is a good read on Jesse’s english:

    https://www.coppernblue.com/2018/2/21/17036760/jesse-puljujarvi-nhl-edmonton-oilers-news-prospect-deployment-good-young-draft-player

    A blurb:

    “Naturally Oilers fans exploded over the sheer incompetence of a team that would neglect to get a teacher for their top prospect. There wasn’t really any context given, but none was needed. When you have one playoff appearance in 12 years, you don’t get the benefit of the doubt.

    What Jesse did have however, was an English tutor. The same one who worked with Nail Yakupov. They also had Iiro Pakarainen helping him learn the language both in Edmonton and Bakersfield.

    To differentiate the difference between Tutor and Teacher seems incredibly semantic in North American dialect, but for a Finnish person, that’s a huge difference. Teachers are treated and respected like doctors over there. They’re not just the person giving you homework and sending you to the principal’s office for chasing a kid around with a chair over your head that one time, they’re the people responsible for your knowledge.

    In this context, a teacher is a lot more formal training. They’ll teach fundamental English, issue assignments, and work to get you to an educated level. A tutor is more for conversational and functional levels. This is what Jesse has had the entire time.”

    I believe the confusion came around the fact that Jesse was learning English before going to the Oilers and when he was with the Oilers. But Jesse was still struggling with the language so the Oilers hired an additional resource (a teacher).

  47. SwedishPoster says:

    Oil2Oilers: Sorry for being a dink.

    Lets hope they train with Jouko Ahola https://youtu.be/9V_PbCLCfv0

    I don’t think you were a dink. I just made a (not very funny) geography based joke.

  48. SwedishPoster says:

    Dustylegnd: He is a MSM conduit for the OBC….

    Doesn’t really make him an insider on Jesse’s training regime or attitude just an insider on OBCs view on Jesse’s training. There’s a difference.

    I trust finnish hockey people more in that regard and they tell a different story.

  49. Rocknrolla says:

    SwedishPoster: swedish

    2 Surgeries the last 2 off-seasons?????

    Anyone else first hearing this now? Could explain a lot of the treatment and performance…

    So if this year is the first non surgery off season with full pro athlete training should we expect a big jump? Do we try to sign him July 1 to friendly contract with this news?

  50. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    SwedishPoster: Or he was injured and some hockey experts assuming they know everything haven’t done their research so they extrapolate guided by their bias. Looking at you Craig Simpson.

    Good point.

    Could be.

  51. Dustylegnd says:

    SwedishPoster,

    Couldn’t agree more…the red wine club speculates on what Jesse is doing wrong…..there is a low probability they put any time into determining what may need to change re off season training etc

    I still believe this kid is going to be a hell of an NHL player….I hope for eventual development into a Blake wheeler type

    I would be very encouraged if he did return to Canada in Mid June, trained with Roberts and McDavid, got very comfortable with Canada and broke through in a meaningful way next year

  52. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    SwedishPoster:
    In one of Finland’s papers that are in swedish, they have a fairly big swedish speaking population, they have a translation of Jesse’s comments : “I’ve had some minor injuries I need to take care of carefully. I want to make sure everything is 100 %. I won’t need any kind of surgery just rest and rehab. I need a full offseason of good training.”

    According to earlier reports his last two off-seasons were shortened due to surgeries so he’s decided to prioritize a full offseason of training this year. He wants to make sure he goes into summer training fully rested and healthy. Sounds like a kid looking to make a statement next season. He’ll train with Sebastian Aho btw.

    Great stuff SP!

    Always appreciate your ability to give us more local insight.

  53. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Side: This is a good read on Jesse’s english:

    https://www.coppernblue.com/2018/2/21/17036760/jesse-puljujarvi-nhl-edmonton-oilers-news-prospect-deployment-good-young-draft-player

    A blurb:

    “Naturally Oilers fans exploded over the sheer incompetence of a team that would neglect to get a teacher for their top prospect. There wasn’t really any context given, but none was needed. When you have one playoff appearance in 12 years, you don’t get the benefit of the doubt.

    What Jesse did have however, was an English tutor. The same one who worked with Nail Yakupov. They also had Iiro Pakarainen helping him learn the language both in Edmonton and Bakersfield.

    To differentiate the difference between Tutor and Teacher seems incredibly semantic in North American dialect, but for a Finnish person, that’s a huge difference. Teachers are treated and respected like doctors over there. They’re not just the person giving you homework and sending you to the principal’s office for chasing a kid around with a chair over your head that one time, they’re the people responsible for your knowledge.

    In this context, a teacher is a lot more formal training. They’ll teach fundamental English, issue assignments, and work to get you to an educated level. A tutor is more for conversational and functional levels. This is what Jesse has had the entire time.”

    I believe the confusion came around the fact that Jesse was learning English before going to the Oilers and when he was with the Oilers.But Jesse was still struggling with the language so the Oilers hired an additional resource (a teacher).

    Someone I follow on twitter is a teacher knows the English tutor that the Oilers use.

    The only comment she would share from the tutor about JP was “we didn’t get to see each other as often as I would have liked”

  54. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Dustylegnd:
    SwedishPoster,

    Couldn’t agree more…the red wine club speculates on what Jesse is doing wrong…..there is a low probability they put any time into determining what may need to change re off season training etc

    I still believe this kid is going to be a hell of an NHL player….I hope for eventual development into a Blake wheeler type

    I would be very encouraged if he did return to Canada in Mid June, trained with Roberts and McDavid, got very comfortable with Canada and broke through in a meaningful way next year

    The Red Wine Summit has a lot of the same guys who pushed Souray into returning from shoulder surgery a month early only to have him….wait for it…….re-injure the shoulder.

  55. Westchester Oil says:

    Apologies for going off-topic but interesting survey at the Cult of Hockey today. Not surprisingly, the fans want Chia gone. Maybe someone can start a petition so that Katz + Nicholson get the message.

    A bit of surprise to me is that the fans want to get rid of the assistant coaches even more than Chia. Me thinks that the GM and HC have more influence on a team than the assistants, but what do I know? That said, if I could nominate an assistant coach, I would look at Scott Stevens. I’ve been listening to him a fair bit on the NHL Network and there’s a lot of smart things that come out of his mouth. And as an added bonus, if any player didn’t listen to him, he could just body slam them into the boards one time to make them listen up – don’t know if Stevens would come to E-town though.

  56. Side says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Someone I follow on twitter is a teacher knows the English tutor that the Oilers use.

    The only comment she would share from the tutor about JP was “we didn’t get to see each other as often as I would have liked”

    I’m curious how these sessions are arranged. Do the Oilers tell Jesse to go ‘x’ number of times a week/month? Or is it up to Jesse to learn at his own pace?

    These are the things that keep me up at night…

  57. dustrock says:

    Woodguy v2.0: The Red Wine Summit has a lot of the same guys who pushed Souray into returning from shoulder surgery a month early only to have him….wait for it…….re-injure the shoulder.

    Not surprised at this at all. He’s on the road for half the season and I’m sure the tutor gives him some exercises to work on, but hockey is his full-time job from October to April, and then he probably wants to go home to Finland in the offseason.

    Hopefully they have a tutor for him in Finland because if he doesn’t study it during the summer, he’s going to experience regression.

  58. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    This is from a Finnish Oiler fan who follows me on twitter:

    he always trains w/Aho &Roope Hintz(Dallas pick who is a big big LW).Aho is prob moving to C w/Canes next yr so its a good line to work:all have incentives. i do not care@PC “plan” b/c if it was JP wd fit in NHL day 1 he did little to either clear that w/McC or provide tools.

    Link: https://twitter.com/kulta64/status/986287728466808835

  59. Dustylegnd says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Sighhhhhh, your killing me here, but this Organizational attitude/approach explains something about the results….

    By all reports, McDavid is a super bright kid (2 time OHL academic player of the year) and obviously would have a best in class management team surrounding him….the Oil better get their collective shit together because he is on the inside and deep down knows better than anyone whether this “plan” is going to work……if this ship doesn’t turn soon…..he can demand a trade and the whole world will understand

  60. meanashell11 says:

    Westchester Oil:
    Apologies for going off-topic but interesting survey at the Cult of Hockey today. Not surprisingly, the fans want Chia gone. Maybe someone can start a petition so that Katz + Nicholson get the message.

    A bit of surprise to me is that the fans want to get rid of the assistant coaches even more than Chia. Me thinks that the GM and HC have more influence on a team than the assistants, but what do I know? That said, if I could nominate an assistant coach, I would look at Scott Stevens. I’ve been listening to him a fair bit on the NHL Network and there’s a lot of smart things that come out of his mouth. And as an added bonus, if any player didn’t listen to him, he could just body slam them into the boards one time to make them listen up – don’t know if Stevens would come to E-town though.

    Pretty sure Stevens would prefer a nice open ice hit!

  61. digger50 says:

    Dustylegnd: Here is the amazing thing, the Oilers knew this kid was from the hinterland of Finland, spoke no english, would suffer serious culture shock, and struggle to adapt to life in the NHL.

    Totally agree with your post

    Columbus knew this and yes while they wanted a center, I’m sure this assessment of Hessies background and how it would relate to NHL readiness factored into thier decision.

    Regardless of Columbus, I was more than happy we got Jessie. That year, behind all the excitement there were a few voices calling for patience and a return to Finland. He was young, no English, immature.

    From inside the organization the challenges of developing Jessie would have or should have been screaming loud and clear that he needed some help. Keeping him up for 40 games so he could be close to the mothership didn’t help. Sending him to Bakersfield didn’t help. He needed personal growth more than hockey growth.

    I laugh at the video of Jessie jumping into a guys truck for a ride home. But really?

    Jessie shoulders his bag and walks out? No car? No ride? No teammates? Strange.

  62. OriginalPouzar says:

    For a forward, I’ve been super excited about the possibility of Whalstrom being available at 9 – some of the numbers he’s put up rival the all-time USHL greats (Eichel, Matthews, etc.) and I feel he could be the Boeser of this draft (2nd tier forward that becomes an elite goal scorer).

    My one hesitation is how inflated his numbers are playing with Hughes. Steve K. provided some info on this today – of course, his boxcars spike with Hughes but Hughes didn’t spike his shot generation which is impressive without Hughes:

    Oliver Wahlstrom before Jack Hughes (9/16 – 12/19/17)

    26gp-16g-15a-31pts-120 SOG

    Oliver Wahlstrom after Jack Hughes (12/20/17 – 3/30/18)

    28gp-24g-28a-52pts-123 SOG

  63. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    This is from a Finnish Oiler fan who follows me on twitter:

    he always trains w/Aho &Roope Hintz(Dallas pick who is a big big LW).Aho is prob moving to C w/Canes next yr so its a good line to work:all have incentives. i do not care@PC “plan” b/c if it was JP wd fit in NHL day 1 he did little to either clear that w/McC or provide tools.

    Link: https://twitter.com/kulta64/status/986287728466808835

    More from the same poster:

    expect most of their work to be at Natl Devel Center in Tampere.Which is good b/c Tampere is better weatherwise &all else than Oulu which is so far north. plus its where my in laws live&where my husband grew up so its like home& I can watch when http://there.lol .

    https://twitter.com/kulta64/status/986292459000025088

  64. dustrock says:

    Westchester Oil:
    Apologies for going off-topic but interesting survey at the Cult of Hockey today. Not surprisingly, the fans want Chia gone. Maybe someone can start a petition so that Katz + Nicholson get the message.

    A bit of surprise to me is that the fans want to get rid of the assistant coaches even more than Chia. Me thinks that the GM and HC have more influence on a team than the assistants, but what do I know? That said, if I could nominate an assistant coach, I would look at Scott Stevens. I’ve been listening to him a fair bit on the NHL Network and there’s a lot of smart things that come out of his mouth. And as an added bonus, if any player didn’t listen to him, he could just body slam them into the boards one time to make them listen up – don’t know if Stevens would come to E-town though.

    People are talking about Jim Johnson going at the very least. I understand McLellan personally made the switch on the PK from the aggressive diamond in February and was handling the PK himself.

    Given the improvement on it, wonder if that makes Jim Johnson persona non grata

  65. Dustylegnd says:

    Westchester Oil,

    Two things, assistant coaches are responsible for special teams, and special teams win hockey games, our special teams were garbage….so I understand the fan base hate for the AC’s

    Scott Stevens was an assistant coach in Minnesota last year…he didn’t return for what ever reason and returned to NHL network….he didn’t care for the time commitment and being away from his family/kids……like the the legendary pro he is, realized he didn’t want to put in the time and gracefully resigned and went back to broadcasting

    Stevens has a legendary instructional sequence about how it is better to separate the other player from the puck rather than devastate them…a lesson he admits took him for ever to learn…..stick on puck, followed by body position….I show it to my Bantam players at the start of every season…..

    He won’t be returning to coaching any time soon

    https://www.twincities.com/2017/05/30/wild-assistant-coach-scott-stevens-resigns-after-one-season/

  66. Dustylegnd says:

    digger50,

    I was wondering the same thing about his lack of ride and WTF his team mates were, we have no context, but it does seem strange this dude cleaned out his locker and had no friends… but then again being Scandinavian, he was probably heading to the LRT…he is a different Cat….sometimes different is good

  67. flea says:

    Dustylegnd:
    digger50,

    I was wondering the same thing about his lack of ride and WTF his team mates were, we have no context, but it does seem strange this dude cleaned out his locker and had no friends… but then again being Scandinavian, he was probably heading to the LRT…he is a different Cat….sometimes different is good

    Think about it though. The season didn’t go as expected and his own personal performance was questioned and dissected by the jackals . . err .. media repeatedly.

    Might have been nice to just walk away from it all. Must have been a load off his mind. He probably wasn’t really thinking about a ride or anything. For the first time in 8 months, he likely had no where to be. That’s got to be refreshing.

    I love that story and some of the other Oilers could also maybe relax a bit more and really engage with fans. Jesse did it multiple times this year, despite the language barrier. Good for him!

  68. ArmchairGM says:

    Westchester Oil:
    Apologies for going off-topic but interesting survey at the Cult of Hockey today. Not surprisingly, the fans want Chia gone. Maybe someone can start a petition so that Katz + Nicholson get the message.

    A bit of surprise to me is that the fans want to get rid of the assistant coaches even more than Chia. Me thinks that the GM and HC have more influence on a team than the assistants, but what do I know? That said, if I could nominate an assistant coach, I would look at Scott Stevens. I’ve been listening to him a fair bit on the NHL Network and there’s a lot of smart things that come out of his mouth. And as an added bonus, if any player didn’t listen to him, he could just body slam them into the boards one time to make them listen up – don’t know if Stevens would come to E-town though.

    Perfect. All Coffey can do is zoom past.

  69. meanashell11 says:

    ArmchairGM: Perfect. All Coffey can do is zoom past.

    I would really like Huddy back.

  70. jtblack says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    For a forward, I’ve been super excited about the possibility of Whalstrom being available at 9 – some of the numbers he’s put up rival the all-time USHL greats (Eichel, Matthews, etc.) and I feel he could be the Boeser of this draft (2nd tier forward that becomes an elite goal scorer).

    My one hesitation is how inflated his numbers are playing with Hughes. Steve K. provided some info on this today – of course, his boxcars spike with Hughes but Hughes didn’t spike his shot generation which is impressive without Hughes:

    Oliver Wahlstrom before Jack Hughes (9/16 – 12/19/17)

    26gp-16g-15a-31pts-120 SOG

    Oliver Wahlstrom after Jack Hughes (12/20/17 – 3/30/18)

    28gp-24g-28a-52pts-123 SOG

    There was a comparison in twitter. his comparables are Matthews Eichel Keller etc etc. His shots per game and ppg; are right near the top of ALL of them.

  71. Cassandra says:

    I would just like to point out that Hall had 3 points last night and was all over the ice. Dominant player.

    A team with McDavid on one line and Hall on another, with the other parts and draft picks assembled would have been a team for the ages.

  72. OriginalPouzar says:

    jtblack: There was a comparison in twitter. his comparables are Matthews Eichel Keller etc etc.His shots per game and ppg; are right near the top of ALL of them.

    Oh, yes, its ingrained in my brain – its a wonderful image that shows the company he keeps.

  73. OriginalPouzar says:

    Thank you for the information – I mean, 10 minutes ago I didn’t realize that Taylor Hall is a former Oiler that is an upper echelon winger that has a great game last night. All brand new information.

    I do apologize for the sarcasm – I realize I’m being a bit of a dink there – I’m just one of those that have no further interest in re-hashing the past moves and would much rather look forward, in particular in a blog where the main content was regarding the draft, our draft position and the plan forward with our 1st round pick.

  74. russ99 says:

    Cassandra:
    I would just like to point out that Hall had 3 points last night and was all over the ice.Dominant player.

    A team with McDavid on one line and Hall on another, with the other parts and draft picks assembled would have been a team for the ages.

    Hall is quoted saying he wasn’t the same player in Edmonton, many players need a change to refocus and expand their game.

    But keep on with your 9-5 win fantasies with no basis in current reality.

  75. Side says:

    Taylor Hall was traded to NJ?!

  76. Oilman99 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    According to this report, Jesse Puljujarvi won’t be going to the World Hockey Championships. JP told Iltalehde “there has been little trouble, they must now be put in order. I now need a good and intact training course.”

    Sounds like JP is the 34.423rd 19/20 year old to be told :”If you want to survive and thrive in the NHL you must become an elite athlete so you need to start training like an elite athlete and that starts now”

    I hope JP took it well and understands it.

    This is good news.

    I would hope the Oilers are ensuring that JP gets the best training available. They need to be sure that he is prepared to succeed at the NHL level next year. Send to train with Connor to see what it takes to be a top performer. He needs to improve his strength to compete effectively.

  77. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Woodguy v2.0: The Red Wine Summit has a lot of the same guys who pushed Souray into returning from shoulder surgery a month early only to have him….wait for it…….re-injure the shoulder.

    – Souray is a hint about Hall IMO. Souray spoke out a few times and didn’t tow the line, and they treated him poorly.

    – Hall, he said some less than complementary things. OBC likes to be respected: I have no doubt OBC was more than happy to help Chia move Hall away…

    – Bob: his primary “value” I think is that he knows exactly who said what and did what

    – Which is why Chia is still here IMO…

  78. frjohnk says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Thank you for the information – I mean, 10 minutes ago I didn’t realize that Taylor Hall is a former Oiler that is an upper echelon winger that has a great game last night.All brand new information.

    I do apologize for the sarcasm – I realize I’m being a bit of a dink there – I’m just one of those that have no further interest in re-hashing the past moves and would much rather look forward, in particular in a blog where the main content was regarding the draft, our draft position and the plan forward with our 1st round pick.

    Love it or hate it. The Hall trade talk is not going to stop or slow down anytime soon unless Chia gets fired (that’s not happening anytime soon) or the Oilers are on the other side of the big lopsided deals.

    Funny thing or actually the sad reality is that our GM has a bad rep from media from around the whole league in big trades.

    As an Oiler fan I hate that we are a laughing stock of an organization but here we are.

  79. Dustylegnd says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Thank you for the information – I mean, 10 minutes ago I didn’t realize that Taylor Hall is a former Oiler that is an upper echelon winger that has a great game last night.All brand new information.

    I do apologize for the sarcasm – I realize I’m being a bit of a dink there – I’m just one of those that have no further interest in re-hashing the past moves and would much rather look forward, in particular in a blog where the main content was regarding the draft, our draft position and the plan forward with our 1st round pick.

    Well hopefully the Organization can learn from their past failures, because clearly, Hall did not meet his potential with the Oilers…. and as the above thread points out, Puljujarvi needs a new path…lets hope the Oilers work with the player to improve him rather than beating him down and destroying confidence

  80. Dustylegnd says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – Souray is a hint about Hall IMO.Souray spoke out a few times and didn’t tow the line, and they treated him poorly.

    – Hall, he said some less than complementary things.OBC likes to be respected: I have no doubt OBC was more than happy to help Chia move Hall away…

    – Bob: his primary “value” I think is that he knows exactly who said what and did what

    – Which is why Chia is still here IMO…

    What the OBC forgets is that respect is earned…or it is a false respect……when it come to building a winning organization with sustained success, the OBC gets a FAIL…..just the facts

  81. Cassandra says:

    russ99: Hall is quoted saying he wasn’t the same player in Edmonton, many players need a change to refocus and expand their game.

    But keep on with your 9-5 win fantasies with no basis in current reality.

    I was here too. He was always this player. It is narrative spinning to pretend he wasn’t.

    Also, Hall is, and was, a dominant defensive player. That is a simple fact.

  82. Cassandra says:

    For those with an Athletic subscription, a post detailing the greatness of Taylor Hall.

    https://theathletic.com/317748/2018/04/17/dissecting-devils-lightning-game-3-taylor-hall-does-the-heavy-lifting-in-victory/

  83. Munny says:

    Side:
    Taylor Hall was traded to NJ?!

    Yes! but we got this really cool roll of tape for him!

  84. Dustylegnd says:

    Cassandra,

    When you always have the puck, that really helps on the defensive side of the puck doesn’t it, he had an amazing game last night, not perfect, he had some turn overs on high risk plays, but damn….he is dominant on puck possession

    Leon Draisaittl was born under a lucky star…..1st full season he gets rocket fuel from Hal, 2nd full season he gets rocket fuel from McDavid….pop, bang……8.5 x 8……..good for Leon, good for Hall driving his team to a playoff win

  85. Munny says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Thank you for the information – I mean, 10 minutes ago I didn’t realize that Taylor Hall is a former Oiler that is an upper echelon winger that has a great game last night.All brand new information.

    I do apologize for the sarcasm – I realize I’m being a bit of a dink there – I’m just one of those that have no further interest in re-hashing the past moves and would much rather look forward, in particular in a blog where the main content was regarding the draft, our draft position and the plan forward with our 1st round pick.

    I think Olli Jokinen said it best when asked about the Hall situation in the Finnish media recently (per the link higher in the thread):

    “I have a break in my ear to rest”

  86. Cassandra says:

    Here is a typical comment from a Devil blog. You can find something like this basically every day.

    “Sorry if I am repeating myself but every single time I leave the Rock I leave completely befuddled as to how an NHL GM could trade Taylor Hall and think that by trading him his team could improve. The guy just stands out in his ability (even when on the ice vs. TB) and his work ethic, he is absolutely intense and does not take a shift off. And the fact that the GM still has a job today?”

    The beatings will continue until morale improves.

  87. HT Joe says:

    OriginalPouzar: I do apologize for the sarcasm – I realize I’m being a bit of a dink there – I’m just one of those that have no further interest in re-hashing the past moves and would much rather look forward, in particular in a blog where the main content was regarding the draft, our draft position and the plan forward with our 1st round pick.

    But why is a hockey blog focusing on the draft during the 1st round of the NHL playoffs?

    Management decisions (such as the Hall trade) remain as relevant a topic as any because those decisions have once again forced Oiler fans to hope for the future instead of enjoying the playoffs in the present.

    *EDIT FOR CLARITY* Lowetide’s posts introduced me to the concept of draft comparables. You look for players in the past that potentially give you an idea of where a drafted player could end up.

    The re-hashing of past moves from the Oiler braintrust acts as comparables, and (unfortunately) may give us an idea of what the braintrust might do next. It has the potential to lead to good discussion.

  88. SwedishPoster says:

    Berglund’s Skellefteå is down 4-0 after two periods in the first game of the SHL finals. Filip Berglund? He’s even despite all goals but one being 5v5 and him being 2nd on the team in ice time. He’s just being awesome.
    Elias Pettersson with a great game for Växjö. He could very well end up the best swedish forward since Peter Forsberg.

  89. Side says:

    Cassandra:
    Here is a typical comment from a Devil blog.You can find something like this basically every day.

    “Sorry if I am repeating myself but every single time I leave the Rock I leave completely befuddled as to how an NHL GM could trade Taylor Hall and think that by trading him his team could improve. The guy just stands out in his ability (even when on the ice vs. TB) and his work ethic, he is absolutely intense and does not take a shift off. And the fact that the GM still has a job today?”

    The beatings will continue until morale improves.

    Damn, I should start reading the Devils blog. It’s a lot better than reading comments from a certain poster who comments about poisoning this board for as long as Peter Chiarelli lives. Who says he is no longer a fan of the team and is never coming back to this website, only to come back under a new screen name. Who brings up the Taylor Hall trade daily saying “I only bring it up because we have to learn from this mistake” and then goes on to say “Chiarelli never learns from his mistakes” which makes this exercise completely pointless. Who then berates a poster for talking about ‘D level prospects’ instead of dwelling in the past and wallowing in misery with him.

  90. Scungilli Slushy says:

    digger50: Totally agree with your post

    Columbus knew this and yes while they wanted a center, I’m sure this assessment of Hessies background and how it would relate to NHL readiness factored into thier decision.

    Regardless of Columbus, I was more than happy we got Jessie. That year, behind all the excitement there were a few voices calling for patience and a return to Finland. He was young, no English, immature.

    From inside the organization the challenges of developing Jessie would have or should have been screaming loud and clear that he needed some help. Keeping him up for 40 games so he could be close to the mothership didn’t help. Sending him to Bakersfield didn’t help. He needed personal growth more than hockey growth.

    I laugh at the video of Jessie jumping into a guys truck for a ride home. But really?

    Jessie shoulders his bag and walks out?No car? No ride? No teammates? Strange.

    Struck the same way, as did the charming but weird story of going to the outdoor rink again alone and hanging out with kids.

    No context of course and made the kid’s year I’m sure, but very odd.

    They need to help him get settled and find a social network . Not everyone is naturally good at that. Maybe he has it but it doesn’t seem like it. I think it’s critical for short and long term success.

  91. OriginalPouzar says:

    For those with an Athletic subscription, a post detailing the greatness of Leon Draisaitl- someone that plays for the Edmoton Oilers:

    https://theathletic.com/317000/2018/04/17/leon-draisaitl-had-a-good-season-but-should-be-even-better-in-2018-19/

  92. OriginalPouzar says:

    Dustylegnd:
    Cassandra,

    Leon Draisaittl was born under a lucky star…..1st full season he gets rocket fuel from Hal, 2nd full season he gets rocket fuel from McDavid….pop, bang……8.5 x 8……..good for Leon, good for Hall driving his team to a playoff win

    Third full seasons he gets unprocessed bitumen from Caggulia, Aberg, Lucic, Slepyshev, Jokinen, etc. and still produces at a 1C level at evens.

  93. --hudson-- says:

    SwedishPoster:
    Elias Pettersson with a great game for Växjö. He could very well end up the best swedish forward since Peter Forsberg.

    Damn, I will be sad if Vancouver’s rebuild is over next season. For all of the criticism, Jim Benning has added a lot of good prospects in a short amount of time.

  94. Lowetide says:

    The Hall back and forth will continue until everyone wants to end it. If you don’t want to talk about Hall, don’t engage. Start a fresh piece of foolscap and allow those who want to talk about Hall proceed.

    However, if you type “Hall wasn’t that good in Edmonton” then you have to expect push back, because lots of us saw him and remember. The idea of this blog isn’t to be loud, it’s to find out the truth. Your truth and my truth may not completely align at the end of the day, but if you start and end from a position that cannot be defended with logic and reason, this is going to be a tough blog community to win over.

    Cassandra is trolling, and I have deleted a couple of posts. However, arguing Hall wasn’t an impact player in Edmonton is trolling as well. imo.

  95. Dustylegnd says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Would love to see Leon drive a line with dominant puck possession GF% etc etc…..but damn without more talented wingers to play with he has a very tough job….maybe Jessie breaks through…..maybe Yammo…..is a fit….maybe we get a plug and play winger in the Draft….

    Leon will definitely be well rested….will have a full season of training under his belt…and should start the year healthy….we need all the stars to align….healthy Kleff….and even better Nurse……a fully Healthy Sekera to help the PP/PK….

    Talbot will need a rebound year with a fast start to the year and much better consistency

    I truly do believe we will be better next year and yes some of us to need to look forward instead of wondering what could have been….but damn it is hard not to wonder what could have been

  96. dustrock says:

    Lowetide:
    The Hall back and forth will continue until everyone wants to end it. If you don’t want to talk about Hall, don’t engage. Start a fresh piece of foolscap and allow those who want to talk about Hall proceed.

    However, if you type “Hall wasn’t that good in Edmonton” then you have to expect push back, because lots of us saw him and remember. The idea of this blog isn’t to be loud, it’s to find out the truth. Your truth and my truth may not completely align at the end of the day, but if you start and end from a position that cannot be defended with logic and reason, this is going to be a tough blog community to win over.

    Cassandra is trolling, and I have deleted a couple of posts. However, arguing Hall wasn’t an impact player in Edmonton is trolling as well. imo.

    Too bad this isn’t a subtweet aimed at a prominent member of the MSM, but agreed on all points

  97. HT Joe says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Struck the same way, as did the charming but weird story of going to the outdoor rink again alone and hanging out with kids.

    No context of course and made the kid’s year I’m sure, but very odd.

    They need to help him get settled and find a social network . Not everyone is naturally good at that. Maybe he has it but it doesn’t seem like it. I think it’s critical for short and long term success.

    Does JP have family living here? Is he living with other Oilers or all on his own?

    When Yakupov was here, it seemed like he wasn’t necessarily included in all of the off-ice activities, but at least his family was living here with him. Those types of stories seem like a warning, since culture shock has the potential to be real and spectacular…

  98. LadiesloveSmid says:

    I do feel like a lot of media members have turned on the oilers and laugh every time Hall has an incredible game like he did last night. Gets pretty tiring, especially as someone that adored Hall. Has me to the point where I feel I subconsciously cheer against him so I don’t have it thrown in my face 24/7. I saw someone compare it to trading Hall for Andrew MacDonald on twitter the other day like Larsson isn’t a quality player, too.

  99. HT Joe says:

    OriginalPouzar: Leon Draisaitl- someone that plays for the Edmoton Oilers

    This seems like trolling… everyone knows that since it’s playoff time, nobody is currently playing for the Edmonton Oilers. 😛

    The fall can’t get here soon enough.

  100. SwedishPoster says:

    Skellefteå was demolished 7-0. Berglund ended the night -1 in 20 minutes of ice time, the 7th goal bounced off his leg and in. Imo he was one of the best for his team and I don’t think I’m letting my Oilers bias shine through. Rough night for his side though.

  101. Psyche says:

    What does the #9 pick wrapped up in a Sekera or Lucic contract get in return?

  102. Oil2Oilers says:

    SwedishPoster:
    Skellefteå was demolished 7-0. Berglund ended the night -1 in 20 minutes of ice time, the 7th goal bounced off his leg and in. Imo he was one of the best for his team and I don’t think I’m letting my Oilers bias shine through.

    Thanks for these updates. Berglund’s year, and more so playoffs, have been a glimmer of hope in another wise dark season.

  103. Scungilli Slushy says:

    HT Joe: Does JP have family living here?Is he living with other Oilers or all on his own?

    When Yakupov was here, it seemed like he wasn’t necessarily included in all of the off-ice activities, but at least his family was living here with him.Those types of stories seem like a warning, since culture shock has the potential to be real and spectacular…

    I don’t know. Laine lives with Mom in the Peg.

  104. Yeti says:

    Psyche:
    What does the #9 pick wrapped up in a Sekera or Lucic contract get in return?

    Apparently that will get you a seventh rounder.

  105. Psyche says:

    Yeti,

    Lol. Thanks Yeti.

  106. jtblack says:

    What exactly does Trolling mean? Looking to cause a shit storm?

    Anyway with the Butchered Reinhart trade and with Hall playing so well, I think its natural for ppl to play the “WHAT IF” Game.

    The what if game has worked for Toronto. they kept ALL their top forwards and have patch worked their D together.

    Edmonton’s “WHAT IF” starts to look like Murderers row.

    RNH-McD-XXXX
    HALL-DRAI-XXXX
    XXX-BARZAL-EBERLE

    3 unstoppable lines 😉 Cap issues would have it short lived … ce live

    GO VGS GO

  107. Rocknrolla says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Struck the same way, as did the charming but weird story of going to the outdoor rink again alone and hanging out with kids.

    No context of course and made the kid’s year I’m sure, but very odd.

    They need to help him get settled and find a social network . Not everyone is naturally good at that. Maybe he has it but it doesn’t seem like it. I think it’s critical for short and long term success.

    Also heard from a friend JP took his daughter out on a date….That’s good news…Acclimating well?

  108. Pink Socks says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    For those with an Athletic subscription, a post detailing the greatness of Leon Draisaitl- someone that plays for the Edmoton Oilers:

    https://theathletic.com/317000/2018/04/17/leon-draisaitl-had-a-good-season-but-should-be-even-better-in-2018-19/

    +1,000,000

  109. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:
  110. John Chambers says:

    LadiesloveSmid,

    Larsson makes his D partner better. He’s the only player on the team who can carry a weaker defensive partner against tough competition. Sekera could do it last year, but Larsson was the only one capable of it in ’17-’18.

    It’s a valuable roll and that we have a guy doing it for $4M / season until 2021 is darn useful.

    Taylor Hall was the better player but he was hardly traded for magic beans. In reality we need another Larsson.

  111. vinotintazo says:

    Remember that Playoff game Larsson played 50 mins or so? Me too! He’s a beast!

    And I really liked Hall.

  112. Pink Socks says:

    Cassandra:
    Here is a typical comment from a Devil blog.You can find something like this basically every day.

    “Sorry if I am repeating myself but every single time I leave the Rock I leave completely befuddled as to how an NHL GM could trade Taylor Hall and think that by trading him his team could improve. The guy just stands out in his ability (even when on the ice vs. TB) and his work ethic, he is absolutely intense and does not take a shift off. And the fact that the GM still has a job today?”

    The beatings will continue until morale improves.

    Last year close to the end of the regular season, in a reply to one of your comments, I posted a wall of Devils blog comments when Hall had a tough go at the end of the season. The comments were vitriol about their shitty D and how they were less than impressed with Hall’s first season. Winning helps, so does Hall’s terrific performance. Hall was an excellent Oiler, but he’s an even better Devil. He has matured and is a better NHLer today than he was two years ago. I wish nothing but success for him and any other Oiler that has been traded away, short of a Stanley Cup. I do, however, wish more than anything else success for the team that I cheer for, regardless of the what-if scenarios.

    Because everyone is a genius when looking at things in hindsight, the alternative is this:

    Hall-RNH-Eberle
    Pouliot-Roy-Yakupov
    Purcell-Gordon-Arcobello
    Gazdic-Lander-Hendricks

    Klefbom-Fayne
    Nikitin-Ference
    Aulie-Marincin

    11 of these 20 guys aren’t even in the NHL anymore… 2 years later! And that doesn’t even address the goaltending.

    Then maybe we miss out on the McLottery and draft Dylan Strome 3rd overall. Then maybe we sign David Clarkson to a 7 year deal and then add Andrew Ladd and David Backes to solve all our problems thereby maxing out the cap. There are worse things than Hall being traded away for an excellent defenseman.

  113. Pink Socks says:

    SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo!:
    Flames clear out the entire coaching staff

    https://www.nhl.com/flames/news/flames-relieve-three-coaches-of-duties/c-298070934

    Time for PC to follow (track) suit.

  114. meanashell11 says:

    SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo!:
    Flames clear out the entire coaching staff

    https://www.nhl.com/flames/news/flames-relieve-three-coaches-of-duties/c-298070934

    Edmonton, you are on the clock…….

  115. StixMalone says:

    Wonder who will be the Flames coaches next season? Wonder who they’re looking at???? Exciting times!

  116. Pink Socks says:

    StixMalone:
    Wonder who will be the Flames coaches next season? Wonder who they’re looking at???? Exciting times!

    Todd McLellan

  117. N64 says:

    John Chambers: Taylor Hall was the better player but he was hardly traded for magic beans. In reality we need another Larsson.

    ~ Finally someone noticed what was missing in the return. Another Larsson ~

  118. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    vinotintazo:
    Remember that Playoff game Larsson played 50 mins or so? Me too! He’s a beast!

    And I really liked Hall.

    – I was at the Leafs game last night (hate the Leafs)

    – They won of course, but the Bruins really hemmed them in, and looked like the much better team. The Toronto D isn’t strong enough against these powerful teams that just drive hard

    – Also, my Leafs buddies were just shaking their head: Why are you keeping your coach? Did coach call out McD this year at some point? They kept talking about Coach doing that?

  119. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    N64: ~ Finally someone noticed what was missing in the return. Another Larsson ~

    – Well half the salary saving went to paying Benning, @ 900K

    – The wheels on the bus go round and round…

  120. StixMalone says:

    Pink Socks: Todd McLellan

    My money says Alain Vigneault …..

  121. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    Toronto has a great set of forwards but there are serious question marks on defense aside from Reilly.

    Andersen’s performance this year kept those questions at bay, but he’s seen more rubber over the last two seasons than even Talbot so it’ll be interesting to see how this plays out over the coming years.

  122. Hockey Project says:

    Apparently, 97 and Ryan O’Reilly just showed up in Humboldt today, kind of unannounced (could be wrong about that) and played floor hockey with some of the kids.

    https://i.imgur.com/kgGwJAx.jpg

  123. Lowetide says:

    Hockey Project:
    Apparently, 97 and Ryan O’Reillyu just showed up in Humboldt today, kind of unannounced (could be wrong about that) and played floor hockey with some of the kids.

    https://i.imgur.com/kgGwJAx.jpg

    Just seeing that. That’s a very classy move by both men.

  124. leadfarmer says:

    Zach Parise out with a broken sternum now. The hockey gods are pissed at the wild for their years of boring hockey

  125. Oilman99 says:

    Dustylegnd:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Would love to see Leon drive a line with dominant puck possession GF% etc etc…..but damn without more talented wingers to play with he has a very tough job….maybe Jessie breaks through…..maybe Yammo…..is a fit….maybe we get a plug and play winger in the Draft….

    Leon will definitely be well rested….will have a full season of training under his belt…and should start the year healthy….we need all the stars to align….healthy Kleff….and even better Nurse……a fully Healthy Sekera to help the PP/PK….

    Talbot will need a rebound year with a fast start to the year and much better consistency

    I truly do believe we will be better next year and yes some of us to need to look forward instead of wondering what could have been….but damn it is hard not to wonder what could have been

    Too many maybes is the reason this year panned out like it did. We need atleast one for sure to play with Drai for him to drive an impact line. Yammy needs to start in the AHL to adjust to playing against men twice his size and strength.

  126. Andy Dufresne says:

    leadfarmer:
    Zach Parise out with a broken sternum now.The hockey gods are pissed at the wild for their years of boring hockey

    It is tough getting out of the West alive/healthy

    Its a different brand of hockey. You need to build a team that can compete playing a physical style and also have the finesse to compete against the representive from the East.

    Doesnt have to be Too Big or Too Heavy but rather skilled, hard nosed, hard on the puck, hard to play against and with motors that dont slow down. And good goalering.

    Winnipeg and Vegas appear to meet the description. VEGAS…Unreal………And the Bruins.

    Makes me think that the superior model is one with no SuperStar(s) ($10million and up contracts) and more balance throughout the lineup.

  127. Rocknrolla says:

    Hockey Project:
    Apparently, 97 and Ryan O’Reilly just showed up in Humboldt today, kind of unannounced (could be wrong about that) and played floor hockey with some of the kids.

    https://i.imgur.com/kgGwJAx.jpg

    Classy…and so important to that community I bet.

  128. Primetime says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    I do feel like a lot of media members have turned on the oilers and laugh every time Hall has an incredible game like he did last night. Gets pretty tiring, especially as someone that adored Hall. Has me to the point where I feel I subconsciously cheer against him so I don’t have it thrown in my face 24/7. I saw someone compare it to trading Hall for Andrew MacDonald on twitter the other day like Larsson isn’t a quality player, too.

    I agree totally.

    While he would certainly deserve to win the Hart, I feel like given the choice between Hall and McKinnon (equally deserving) most in the voting media will pick Hall purely so they can laugh at the Oilers….

  129. Primetime says:

    Also, with regards to JP and his language issues…

    While I am all for piling on management for the multitude of mistakes made, this one does not seem entirely fair.

    JP was a top line prospect for many years, knew he would be playing hockey and assume his goal was to play in the NHL. At the very least, he knew he was coming over from the age of 16 on. I realize he lived in a rural part of Finland, but given that he knew where his future was heading, shouldn’t he have been learning English from that time on? SHouldn’t his parents have encouraged him to do so?

    I don’t think that 100% of the blame lies with the Oilers

  130. Professor Q says:

    Primetime: I agree totally.

    While he would certainly deserve to win the Hart, I feel like given the choice between Hall and McKinnon (equally deserving) most in the voting media will pick Hall purely so they can laugh at the Oilers….

    Forgetting all the years they had forsaken and laughed at him.

  131. Professor Q says:

    Primetime:
    Also, with regards to JP and his language issues…

    While I am all for piling on management for the multitude of mistakes made, this one does not seem entirely fair.

    JP was a top line prospect for many years, knew he would be playing hockey and assume his goal was to play in the NHL.At the very least, he knew he was coming over from the age of 16 on.I realize he lived in a rural part of Finland, but given that he knew where his future was heading, shouldn’t he have been learning English from that time on?SHouldn’t his parents have encouraged him to do so?

    I don’t think that 100% of the blame lies with the Oilers

    I also think the proportion of the situation is being blown out of. He had training, the Oilers gave him training, then maybe it wasn’t good enough so they got him an official and expert teacher.

    Yet the MSM seems to be contorting it to paint Edmonton as inhospitable, unfair, and having a long track of doing this to foreign prospects (too incompetent, too late/slow, too rash, etc.).

  132. hankster says:

    Breaking news. Alain Vigneault has been signed as HC of Anaheim. Ok, maybe not, but Randy Carlyle might consider “retiring” before the 4 game sweep is done…as he is done coaching in the NHL. One more year older for the assholery team next yr. The so called big heavy hockey in the western conference will be dead after the completion of this years playoffs.

    Looks like change is in the air with speed of the game, coaching styles and cap management. The Chicago model with much of the cap spent on two players doesn’t look so good anymore.

    btw, that troll is right about not getting enough return for Hall. But too bad the angst is pointed at the wrong guy, should be the red wine summit club not Chia. His only fault is poor negotiation skills not all the other stuff he’s criticized for here.

    The league is obviously a copy cat model. But too bad this org is slow to even copy and paste properly.

  133. frjohnk says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – Well half the salary saving went to paying Benning, @ 900K

    Other half of the savings went to buyout Pouliot.

    So we must correct those guys who say the trade was “1 for 1”. It was actually a 3 for 1 trade!!!

    EDIT: in all seriousness, there were people right after it happened, saying the trade was Hall for Larsson and Lucic.

    Man. That looks awful now.

    Don’t hear those guys saying that anymore to justify the trade.

  134. Confused says:

    Hockey Project,

    Absolutely superb. Hopefully, he stays the face of the Oilers until he retires.

    Well done ROR as well.

  135. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Stuart Skinner’s entire season SV%, including playoffs is .911 if my math serves me right. Not breaking the doors down like the oilersnation site seems to see IMO

  136. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Thank you for the information – I mean, 10 minutes ago I didn’t realize that Taylor Hall is a former Oiler that is an upper echelon winger that has a great game last night.All brand new information.

    I do apologize for the sarcasm – I realize I’m being a bit of a dink there – I’m just one of those that have no further interest in re-hashing the past moves and would much rather look forward, in particular in a blog where the main content was regarding the draft, our draft position and the plan forward with our 1st round pick.

    If the Oilers didn’t want us to talk about how great Taylor Hall is in April, they should have made the damn playoffs,

  137. pts2pndr says:

    Cassandra:
    Here is a typical comment from a Devil blog.You can find something like this basically every day.

    “Sorry if I am repeating myself but every single time I leave the Rock I leave completely befuddled as to how an NHL GM could trade Taylor Hall and think that by trading him his team could improve. The guy just stands out in his ability (even when on the ice vs. TB) and his work ethic, he is absolutely intense and does not take a shift off. And the fact that the GM still has a job today?”

    The beatings will continue until morale improves.

    Please light a candle on your Taylor Hall alter for all us poor oiler fans! My condolences on your loss. You may feel more at home on the NYJ site! With any kind of luck you may get them to name New Jersey, ” New Hall New Jersey”! Sorry we have moved on and we do not supply crying twels any longer!

  138. godot10 says:

    Pink Socks: Last year close to the end of the regular season, in a reply to one of your comments, I posted a wall of Devils blog comments when Hall had a tough go at the end of the season.The comments were vitriol about their shitty D and how they were less than impressed with Hall’s first season.Winning helps, so does Hall’s terrific performance.Hall was an excellent Oiler, but he’s an even better Devil.He has matured and is a better NHLer today than he was two years ago.I wish nothing but success for him and any other Oiler that has been traded away, short of a Stanley Cup.I do, however, wish more than anything else success for the team that I cheer for, regardless of the what-if scenarios.

    Because everyone is a genius when looking at things in hindsight, the alternative is this:

    Hall-RNH-Eberle
    Pouliot-Roy-Yakupov
    Purcell-Gordon-Arcobello
    Gazdic-Lander-Hendricks

    Klefbom-Fayne
    Nikitin-Ference
    Aulie-Marincin

    11 of these 20 guys aren’t even in the NHL anymore… 2 years later!And that doesn’t even address the goaltending.

    Then maybe we miss out on the McLottery and draft Dylan Strome 3rd overall. Then maybe we sign David Clarkson to a 7 year deal and then add Andrew Ladd and David Backes to solve all our problems thereby maxing out the cap.There are worse things than Hall being traded away for an excellent defenseman.

    Todd Nelson coached that team at a 74 pts per season pace. Think what he could do with the current roster.

  139. Pink Socks says:

    godot10: Todd Nelson coached that team at a 74 pts per season pace.Think what he could do with the current roster.

    Which is why on April 8th at 8 AM sharp, Peter Chiarelli, Bob Nicholson and Daryl Katz should have rang Todd Nelson’s doorbell begging for forgiveness and groveled until he accepted the head coaching job.

    74 points:
    Hall-RNH-Eberle
    Pouliot-Roy-Yakupov
    Purcell-Gordon-Arcobello
    Gazdic-Lander-Hendricks

    Klefbom-Fayne
    Nikitin-Ference
    Aulie-Marincin

    78 points:
    RNH-McDavid-Rattie
    Khaira-Draisaitl-JP
    Lucic-Strome-Caggiula
    Slepyshev-Cammalleri-Kassian

    Klefbom-Larsson
    Nurse-Sekera
    Russell-Bear

    I count an improvement in 19 out of 20 roster spots. Also, tallying up this lineup, I am fairly confident 18 out of 20 will be in the NHL in 2 years save for Cammy and Slepyshev. A 4 point difference between these two lineups is grounds for immediate dismissal for the HC.

  140. jtblack says:

    A Cautionary tale to all GM’s:

    Defensive Defensmen aren’t valued like they were in your Daddy’s era.

    When LT puts all his hard work into the draft rankings, he gives almost NO LOVE to defensive defensemen. WHY? LT please do tell.

    What I can tell you is a story of 2 Franchises who have laid out a mother load of assets for Defensive D men. The similiar results are frightening. Of course there are other factors in play BUT don’t miss the poor valuation of talent by the GM’s.

    EDM: 2015:
    OUT- #16 & #33. Basically 2 first rounders because the draft was so strong.
    IN- A Dman who scored 36 pts in 60 gms in his draft year. Use all the “Factors” & and you can see Reinhart prob should not have been drafted @ #4; you can also see that by the time EDM made the trade there was 1% chance of any meaningful offense arriving. Reinhart actually put up less points in his Draft +1 season. He just finished this year with 2 Goals and 12 pts in 60 games in the AHL.

    MASSIVE ERROR in talent evaluation. The cost was considerable given whiever you believe the Oilers would have taken. As LT says; your mileage may vary.

    EDM: 2016
    OUT; HALL – Enormous talent proven to drive play no matter what the circumstances.
    IN; LARSSON – Larsson has never scored more than 4 Goals in and year since he was 16.

    WOODGUY and others have shown you can get reliable shut down D men for relatively cheap as FA’s. LARSSON is a good defensemen, But again you have a MASSIVE overpay for a defensive dman.

    CGY: 2017
    OUT – #12 (2018), #45 (2018). & a conditional 2nd in 2019 (not sure the condition)
    IN – HAMONIC has never scored more than 5 goals in any NHL season. He had 22 pts in 61 games in his draft year, so this was fairly predictable.
    He finished the season with 1 Goal in 74 gms.

    MASSIVE OVERPAY AGAIN.

    Both teams missed the playoffs in 2018. Both teams have made the same mistake (EDM did it twice).

    RULE #549. DO NOT GIVE UP MUCH OF ANYTHING FOR DEFENSIVE DMEN.

    😉

    EDIT: Sorry for any typo’s. Long rant on phone

  141. Doug McLachlan says:

    Confused:
    Jana Hakanpaa star in the FEL. Free!

    He remains on St. Louis’ reserve list – like Bogdan Yakimov is on Edmonton’s – but can’t imagine the acquisition price would be high. He may have looked at St. Louis’ depth chart and headed home and may not be a NHL talent issue.

  142. Pink Socks says:

    jtblack:

    CGY: 2017
    OUT – #12 (2018), #45 (2018).& a conditional 2nd in 2019 (not sure the condition)

    Condition was met! Flames (spits) missed the playoffs so NYI gets the 2019 2nd rounder. Had they made the playoffs it became a 2020 2nd rounder.

    Great post though, on point. I would say though, Reinhart was clearly the biggest mistake of the three. Garth Snow is a master at collecting high picks, it’s too bad his on ice product is such a shit show.

  143. jtblack says:

    Pink Socks: Condition was met!Flames (spits) missed the playoffs so NYI gets the 2019 2nd rounder.Had they made the playoffs it became a 2020 2nd rounder.

    Great post though, on point.I would say though, Reinhart was clearly the biggest mistake of the three.Garth Snow is a master at collecting high picks, it’s too bad his on ice product is such a shit show.

    Massive Overpay for a 1 Goal d man.

  144. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Rocknrolla: Also heard from a friend JP took his daughter out on a date….That’s good news…Acclimating well?

    Hopefully!

  145. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Andy Dufresne: It is tough getting out of the West alive/healthy

    Its a different brand of hockey. You need to build a team that can compete playing a physical style and also have the finesse tocompete against the representive from the East.

    Doesnt have to be Too Big or Too Heavy but rather skilled, hard nosed, hard on the puck, hard to play against and with motors that dont slow down.And good goalering.

    Winnipeg and Vegas appear to meet the description. VEGAS…Unreal………And the Bruins.

    Makes me think that the superior model is one with no SuperStar(s) ($10million and up contracts) and more balance throughout the lineup.

    I don’t want Eichel at 10 but the rare players like Connor are worth 12 every day.

  146. Pink Socks says:

    jtblack: Massive Overpay for a 1 Goal d man.

    Especially if CGY wins the lottery. One can dream!

  147. Professor Q says:

    Of course, no matter the results of the draft, one can hope for this (perhaps Edmonton’s version of Marleau, but hopefully a bit cheaper):

    http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/kovalchuk-officially-eligible-to-become-an-nhl-free-agent-so-where-will-he-land

  148. jtblack says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Stuart Skinner’s entire season SV%, including playoffs is .911 if my math serves me right. Not breaking the doors down like the oilersnation site seems to see IMO

    Over .920 SV% in 40 games since being traded. Just shutout the #2 ranked team in the country 3 straiight games on their home ice. He stopped 91 of 91.

    GOOD ARROWS at the very least.

  149. Wilde says:

    Updated obscure misfit who-the-fuck-is-that-guy target list:

    – Joshua Ho-Sang

    – Daniel Sprong

    – Josh Leivo

    – Austin Ortega

    – Jordan Schmaltz

    – Matthew Highmore

    – Jared McCann

    – Denis Malgin

    – Valentin Zykov

    – Gabriel Dumont

    – Aaron Palushaj

    – TJ Tynan

    – Marko Dano

    Feel free to reply to this with names for me to drill down on

  150. Ribs says:

    Professor Q:
    Of course, no matter the results of the draft, one can hope for this (perhaps Edmonton’s version of Marleau, but hopefully a bit cheaper):

    http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/kovalchuk-officially-eligible-to-become-an-nhl-free-agent-so-where-will-he-land

    “Kovalchuk is even deciding to skip the upcoming World Championships as he prepares to head back to the NHL”

    Well, shoot. I was hoping to see if the guy can still skate or not (as I’m sure a lot of GM’s were). The article throws $5M out there and that seems ridiculous to me. What’s a realistic price tag for a 35 year old Kovalchuk?

  151. Mr DeBakey says:

    Wilde: Feel free to reply to this with names for me to drill down on

    I’m not sure of your criteria, but

    Nicolas Aube-Kubel
    Dryden Hunt

  152. Mr DeBakey says:

    Ribs: What’s a realistic price tag for a 35 year old Kovalchuk?

    Whenever I plug him into my Cap Friendly Oiler teams, I’m using $5.25mm for two years.
    I’ve no idea how realistic that is.

  153. Lowetide says:

    For The Athletic: Milan Lucic at a career crossroads after a disastrous 2017-18 season

    https://theathletic.com/318295/2018/04/17/lowetide-milan-lucic-at-a-career-crossroads-after-disastrous-2017-18-season/

  154. leadfarmer says:

    They’re playing 2 of tomorrows games on the Golf Channel, that will grow the fanbases

  155. sliderule says:

    Dustylegnd:
    digger50,

    I was wondering the same thing about his lack of ride and WTF his team mates were, we have no context, but it does seem strange this dude cleaned out his locker and had no friends… but then again being Scandinavian, he was probably heading to the LRT…he is a different Cat….sometimes different is good

    I would think that Jesse feels very much alone and the outsider on the oilers

    Language barrier ,age and country bumpkin image isolates him from teammates

    In fairness to oilers they realize this and have had Strome work with him.

    Hockey players have to get used to this as in junior hockey when you are cut they give you a garbage bag to take your equipment home

    It’s a tough game run by hard people

  156. Lowetide says:

    sliderule: It’s a tough game run by hard people

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q46sCU3xph8

  157. --hudson-- says:

    sliderule: I would think that Jesse feels very much alone and the outsider on the oilers

    Language barrier ,age and country bumpkin image isolates him from teammates

    In fairness to oilers they realize this and have had Strome work with him.

    Hockey players have to get used to this as in junior hockey when you are cut they give you a garbage bag to take your equipment home

    It’s a tough game run by hard people

    I’m sure Iiro Pakarinen will hangout whenever Jesse wants.

  158. geowal says:

    –hudson–: I’m sure Iiro Pakarinen will hangout whenever Jesse wants.

    All these interpretations of loneliness are a bit of a stretch to me…maybe he’s just an independent kid, not averse to hitching a ride or dropping in on the rink. I’ve done the same at one point or another.

  159. Bulging Twine says:

    McSorley33:
    The Pacific division playoffs is like watching old vs new theories on how to build NHL teams.

    Yes, very astute.
    Anaheim slow forwards, SJ finding faster forwards over last few years.
    LA slower, Vegas – playing so fast

  160. Bulging Twine says:

    Dustylegnd: Here is the amazing thing, the Oilers knew this kid was from the hinterland of Finland, spoke no english, would suffer serious culture shock, and struggle to adapt to life in the NHL.

    How was it that only this past year, the organization hired an English tutor for this kid?

    If Jesse is serious about adapting to life in Canada and the NHL, and realizes he is behind the development curve vs a number of his contemporaries drafted lower…….should he not take two months to train back home, return to Canada, and seek out a best in class hockey trainer (Roberts) bond with his captain, and immerse himself in everything NA??

    This kid seems to be a glaring example of the broken development system within the Oilers….I am just shocked English lessons were not mandatory from day 1, this kid is a very different project, does it not seem obvious he needs a customized development program

    To me this story stinks of organizational incompetence….seriously how hard is this stuff

    and then blame the teenager for not developing

  161. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – You know, Georges is probably onto something with his fire the coach.

    “Ultimately, you are what your record says you are, but I felt in order to get our team to the level it needs to get to, and each individual to the level he needs to get to, that we had to make this decision,” Calgary general manager Brad Treliving said.”

    – What might save Todd is a combination of his track-record, last year, some really bad luck this year, and the desire of the organization to stablize the carousel.

    – Gulutzan, like Todd though, missed playoffs 2 of 3 years (not that in year 1 we had a chance)

    – The problem for Calgary though is where is the upside coming from: their D is good, their forwards good but not CmD/Drai upside IMO

    – Todd’s no dummy though: and its a tough position to be in next year: a slow start and he’s done based on a small sample size…

  162. jp says:

    geowal: All these interpretations of loneliness are a bit of a stretch to me…maybe he’s just an independent kid, not averse to hitching a ride or dropping in on the rink. I’ve done the same at one point or another.

    +1

    No way to know, but this is at least a possibility.

  163. Bulging Twine says:

    MacLellan or Vigneault?

    I’d take Vigneault. Taken last two teams to Finals. Brings stability and defined roles to the line up. Likes 3 offensive lines. Likes speedy wingers

  164. jp says:

    Ribs: “Kovalchuk is even deciding to skip the upcoming World Championships as he prepares to head back to the NHL”

    Well, shoot. I was hoping to see if the guy can still skate or not (as I’m sure a lot of GM’s were). The article throws $5M out there and that seems ridiculous to me. What’s a realistic price tag for a 35 year old Kovalchuk?

    He lead the KHL in scoring this year, was 2nd last year. Leads a dominant team that was regular season champ this season and playoff champ a year ago. All-star, gold medalist and tournament MVP at the most recent Olympics. Proven star the last time he played in the NHL.

    Not sure what exactly that’s worth, but the man is clearly still at the top of his game. He could fairly ask well more than $5M on a short term deal if he wanted imo. We can only hope a spot on McDavid’s wing might keep the price tag down a little.

  165. Bulging Twine says:

    I hated Chiarelli and MacLellan’s emphasis on, “managing expectations” at the beginning of last year. A message like that has nothing to do with winning the next game. It only clouds the players minds with useless focus. Focusing on NOT doing something, like don’t let expectations bother you, is a hindrance to focusing on what the player needs TO do.
    I like Pittsburgh coach Sullivan. He focuses his team on one thing, the goal, and achieving the goal. Define the goal, pursue the goal. It has nothing to do with expectations.

    Sullivan, “There are so many things in hockey that you can’t control. So it’s more important that you identify those things that will give you your best chance to have success, and focus on them.”

    “The mind-set Sullivan brought to the team was familiar. Come to the rink and try to get a little better every day.”
    -focus

  166. JimmyV1965 says:

    Bulging Twine:
    I hated Chiarelli and MacLellan’s emphasis on, “managing expectations” at the beginning of last year.A message like that has nothing to do with winning the next game.It only clouds the players minds with useless focus.Focusing on NOT doing something, like don’t let expectations bother you, is a hindrance to focusing on what the player needs TO do.
    I like Pittsburgh coach Sullivan.He focuses his team on one thing, the goal, and achieving the goal.Define the goal, pursue the goal.It has nothing to do with expectations.

    Sullivan, “There are so many things in hockey that you can’t control. So it’s more important that you identify those things that will give you your best chance to have success, and focus on them.”

    “The mind-set Sullivan brought to the team was familiar. Come to the rink and try to get a little better every day.”
    -focus

    +1000

  167. deardylan says:

    Its Vegas Baby!

  168. deardylan says:

    Gerard Gallant overheard talking to his team before the start of the season.

    Forget Pitts Fleury you are in… Vegas Baby, Vegas!

    Neal you are So &^$# money!

    Karlsson I’m telling you baby, you always double down on 11.

    Let me tell you something Reilly and you know what else, your a big winner.

    I’m gonna ask you a simple question and I want you to listen to me who’s the big winner here tonight at the arena

    Huh Reilly, that’s who.

    Reilly the big winner.

    Reilly wins.

    “Hey You Davey Perron You know what? You’re like a big bear with claws, with fangs-”

    “Big ****ing teeth, man.”

    “…with big ****ing teeth on you. And the rest of the Pacific Conference is just like this little bunny, just kind of cowering in the corner-”

    “Shivering!”

    “Yeah, man. You got these claws, and you’re staring at these claws, man, and you’re thinkin’ “how am I supposed to defeat this bunny”.

    “You’re pokin’ at it. You’re pokin’ at it.”

    “Yeah, you’re not hurting it. You’re just gently battin’ the other team around. You know what I mean? The bunny’s scared, Davey. The bunny’s scared of you.”

    “And you got these ****ing claws, man.”

    “You got these ****ing claws and these fangs, man. And you’re looking at your claws and you’re lookin’ at your fangs and you’re thinkin’ to yourself, ‘I don’t know what to do’, man. ‘I don’t know how to finish off the bunny. With this, I don’t know how to finish off the bunnies’, Davey.”

    “You’re like a big bear, man.”

    Don’t forget you are in… Vegas Baby, Vegas!

  169. rickithebear says:

    Vegas exp drafted 9 top 60 dmen
    2 0g gm
    1 1G gm
    1 2g gm

    It is easier to score 2 or 1 goal than it is to score 4 or 5.

  170. rickithebear says:

    Yamamoto
    Draft .510 age .4813 age/ league
    65gm 42g 57a 99p age/lg NHLE -> 82gm 25g 35a 60p
    31evg 30eva 61evp -> 19evg 18eva 37evp
    10ppg 25ppa 35ppp -> 6ppg 15ppa 21 ppp
    1 she 2 sha 3shp -> 0shg 2 sha 2 shp

    Draft +1 .404 age .3813 age/lg
    28gm 20g 34a 54p -> 82gm 23g 37a 60p
    14evg 22eva 36evp -> 16evg 24eva 40evp
    4ppg 12ppa 16 ppp -> 5ppg 13ppa 18ppp
    2shg 0sha 2shp -> 2shg 0sha 2shp

    Both years indicate a
    82gm 24g 36a 60P
    18evg 21eva 39evp
    5ppg 14ppa 19ppp
    1 she 1 sha 2 shp
    We see repeatability in age variance performance.

  171. deardylan says:

    “Ricki, You’re like a big stats bear too, man!”

  172. rickithebear says:

    Even goals per game last 20 19yr seasons.
    54 players with 10+ evg.
    Active with similiar #
    Horvat 68gm/12evg .176 evg/gm
    Mackinnon 64/11 .172
    P. Kane 82/14 .171
    P-l Dubois 82/14 .171
    Duchene 81/13 .160
    Tavares 82/13 .159
    J. Puljujarvi 65/10 .154
    Galchenyuk 65/10 .154
    Kopitar 72/11 .153
    Ehlers 72/11 .153
    Hartnell 75/11 .147
    Couturier 77/11 .143
    Kissel 70/10 .143
    Seguin 74/10 .135
    O’Rielly 74/10 .135
    Tkachuk 76/10 .132
    Garner 76/10 .132

    A healthy fitter and stronger JP.

    Yes please

  173. rickithebear says:

    I wanted to fire the coach in Sept.
    Pressuring the perimeter!
    F………………………………………………………….!

  174. rickithebear says:

    Calgary fired a HD sys coach.
    And
    Are keeping Gio bottom 30 HD dman; Hamilton Bottom 10HD dman, Hamonic bot 5 HD d.

  175. GMB3 says:

    Bulging Twine:
    MacLellan or Vigneault?

    I’d take Vigneault.Taken last two teams to Finals.Brings stability and defined roles to the line up.Likes 3 offensive lines.Likes speedy wingers

    I would like AB as well, but I’m not sure Chia would hire him. It appears to me Chiarelli doesn’t value the same player types the way AV does. To an extent I think this happened with TM as well

  176. GMB3 says:

    hankster:
    Breaking news.Alain Vigneault has been signed as HC of Anaheim.Ok, maybe not, but Randy Carlyle might consider “retiring” before the 4 game sweep is done…as he is done coaching in the NHL.One more year older for the assholery team next yr. The so called big heavy hockey in the western conference will be dead after the completion of this years playoffs.

    Looks like change is in the air with speed of the game, coaching styles and cap management.The Chicago model with much of the cap spent on two players doesn’t look so good anymore.

    btw, that troll is right about not getting enough return for Hall.But too bad the angst is pointed at the wrong guy, should be the red wine summit club not Chia.His only fault is poor negotiation skills not all the other stuff he’s criticized for here.

    The league is obviously a copy cat model. But too bad this org is slow to even copy and paste properly.

    Peter Chiarelli made the trade, not the “red wine summit”.

    Look at his history of trading high level talent. I don’t think he needed much prodding to trade Hall.

    Unless you want to say that the Bruins brass had a role in convincing him to trade Seguin.

    In that case you would think you would want a GM with the courage of his convictions, a man who is not to be easily swayed. He’s going to wear the stain of his mistakes.

  177. GMB3 says:

    Pink Socks,

    I unfortunately don’t see a reason why Nelson would come back here. The whole MacT co coaching was the biggest farce I’ve ever seen. What a joke. He got fucked around after fielding an extremely competitive AHL team year after year. Both Rocky Thompson and Todd Nelson were developed by the organization and from my point of view, the organization didn’t show either of them a ton of respect.

  178. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    GMB3,

    – Rocky in particular was done quite well for himself. Wonder to what extent Calgary effects Oil in terms of coaching. Suspect they are buying time to see whose available…:

    “Glen’s a good coach,” Treliving said. “Glen is a wonderful person. We didn’t get our team to the point that I felt we needed to. I thought we underperformed. I thought we had a group of players underperform. There’s parts of our game, when you look at certain special teams, that underperformed. You look back and say, ‘How do we get it there?’ I concluded that to get us there, we needed to make a change.”

  179. Pechetr says:

    Westchester Oil,

    Fans should be very careful what they wish for…..First they wanted the old boys club moved out from directly influencing day to day operations. They got their wish in the hiring of Nicholson, Chiarelli and TMac. Now they want Chia gone. (some also wanting TMac fired). I would almost guarantee that either one of or both of these actions will result in the OBC being reinstated.

  180. Pechetr says:

    Cassandra,

    Hall was quoted admitting that he did not listen to or respect the coaching staff when he was here. Those words came directly from his mouth. You cannot have a player in the room that feels he is above the team. He was moved along and it forced him to screw his head on straight. Good for him but let it go already.

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