A big red beacon, a flag and a man on the rail

The biggest news over the weekend surrounded a Finnish goalie playing in Russia and running a pretty strong save percentage. The Oilers are running a string of unusual decisions in goal and that sets up summer in a Mystery Science Theatre way. What will happen? Stay tuned, and bring your inner smartass.

THE ATHLETIC!

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  • New Lowetide: The Oilers and Mikko Koskinen.
  • New Scott Wheeler: Rasmus Dahlin: Breaking down the makings of a generational talent.
  • Lowetide: Nuge finds a sweet spot in the heart of the order.
  • Lowetide: Milan Lucic at a crossroads after disastrous season.
  • Jonathan Willis: The problem was never Ryan Strome, it was Oilers’ expectations.
  • Justin Bourne: What the other 30 GM’s can learn from Vegas Golden Knights.
  • Lowetide: Connor McDavid’s outstanding 2017-18 season.
  • Lowetide: Oilers summer to-do list short and sweet.
  • Lowetide: Draft 2018: The Oilers and Russia: A draft tragedy.
  • Lowetide: Draft 2018: The Oilers and the Republic of Finland
  • Lowetide: Draft 2018: The Oilers and Sweden.
  • Lowetide: Draft 2018: The Oilers and the QMJHL.
  • Lowetide: Draft 2018Oilers and the WHL.
  • Lowetide: Draft 2018: Oilers draft history and the OHL
  • Lowetide: Draft 2018: The Oilers and the NCAA.

CHIARELLI’S SUMMER LIST (2017)

This was my list on May 31, 2017.

  • Get Connor McDavid signed to a long-term contract. (Five years times ??)
  • Get Leon Draisaitl signed to a long-term contract. ($7.5 million times 8?)
  • Negotiate the expansion draft rapids (Reinhart, Khaira, Letestu. Brossoit)
  • Find a second pairing D with two-way acumen. (Shattenkirk, Hamonic, Pysyk)
  • Find a short term solution to Sekera injury (Brian Campbell)
  • Find a forward who can help the offense. (Hanzal, Strome)
  • Make enough cap room to get everyone in under the number with enough room to spare for the trade deadline.

The club got max deals on McDavid and Draisaitl, lost Reinhart, didn’t get a second pairing defender and replaced Sekera with Kris Russell. Got Strome but traded Eberle for him in order to find cap room (they wouldn’t need the room until this summer).

ASSETS OUT, 2017

  1. Jordan Eberle He was in fact dealt to the NY Islanders. Scored 25 goals.
  2. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins From the moment Chiarelli and McLellan arrived, I was worried they would trade the Nuge. Damned if he’s the only one they kept.
  3. Jesse Puljujarvi. I’d forgotten he was on last year’s list. One of the reasons the general manager may want a shuffle in the coaching is a talented player like JP having a slow build.
  4. No. 22 overall Oilers kept the pick, at least partly due to the fact they flat out loved Kailer Yamamoto’s game. That would be confirmed in the fall when they kept him through training camp and nine game into the season.
  5. Caleb Jones. He struggled early, came on late and we’ll probably see him get his first NHL cup of coffee in 2018-19.
  6. 2018 first-round selection. Probably wise they didn’t trade the pick. Calgary did deal their selection and are now in a tough spot.
  7. Anton Slepyshev. I would guess he has less value this summer than a year ago.
  8. Jujhar Khaira He absolutely spiked in value to the point I doubt the club would trade him this summer.

CHIARELLI’S SUMMER LIST (2018)

  1. Defense. Chiarelli stated a righty was preferable but a puck mover was the key.
  2. Scoring winger. It might be two, but one is possible. The general manager likes his forwards and feels they are making their way.
  3. Backup goaltender. Mikko Koskinen may not be better (or as good) as Al Montoya or Laurent Brossoit, but he hasn’t failed in Edmonton. He might be the signing for this summer at this positon.
  4. Increase the footprint of the ’94s. Names like Caggiula, Khaira, Benning, Slepyshev need to take on bigger roles. The next group up (Cooper Marody, Kailer Yamamoto, Tyler Benson, et cetera) may not be able to push this coming season, so that older group needs more Khaira/Benning type emergence.

POSSIBLE ASSETS OUT, 2018

Most likely to least likely.

  1. No. 9 overall pick. Does this pick get you Josh Manson?
  2. Oscar KlefbomOf the established group, he is the most likely to go.
  3. Andrej Sekera buyout/trade. It saves many dollars. I wouldn’t do it.
  4. Matt BenningDoes he get you Brandon Montour? Is that a deal Edmonton should do?
  5. 2019 first-round pick. If I am Chiarelli, that 2019 draft is absolutely available. The whole damn thing.
  6. Ryan StromeThe money will be the thing. Strome will want 3+ million and Edmonton may want to spend that money on a more substantial scorer.
  7. Zack Kassian. Credit Jonathan Willis with this, Edmonton can save $1 million by trading Kassian and replacing him with (say) Iiro Pakarinen or Pontus Aberg. Do they want to do it?
  8. Anton Slepyshev. Craig MacTavish once said that Brad Winchester “needed a second opinion.” With Slepyshev, we are here.
  9. Jesse Puljujarvi. I would not trade JP, it’s the exactly the kind of move that bites you in the ass for a decade. You can finish the joke if you wish.

Hmmm. I wrote about Koskinen yesterday, here and at The Athletic, and if this number is true then the Oilers must love this goaltender. Perhaps the club got into a bidding war with the NY Islanders (Garth Snow!) but this pokes a hole in the limited cap budget left. If this is true, I’m going to bet the Oilers plan to trade a $4 million plus defenseman.

CAN THE OILERS DO THIS?

Yes, but it looks like an unforced error if true. A two-way deal with an AAV of $1.25 million seems far more reasonable. Here is a way Edmonton could construct the roster with this contract at $2.5 million per year.

  • There are three free-agent signings and a trade. I wasn’t concerned with what it would cost to get Ristolainen, because I don’t think it’s a trade that will be made. I was trying to find a $5 million defender as a the showcase piece of summer. I think PC is headed in that direction.
  • It can be done without trading Oscar Klefbom, which is different than saying it will be done without trading Klefbom.
  • If it is $2.5 million for Koskinen, why not sign an NHL goalie in that range? You could get a good NHL goalie in free agency for that price.
  • I went the inexpensive route at right-wing, suspect (if the goalie money is true) this will be the route chosen.
  • Matti Virmanen is the European pro scout. I credit him with the Belov signing. He may also have been involved in the drafting of Samu Perhonen, Frans Tuohimaa, Erik Gustafsson, Bogdan Yakimov and Anton Slepyshev.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

We have so many avenues we can go today, the show remains fluid but we’ll bring it I promise. At 10 this morning, TSN1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Pierre Lebrun, TSN and The Athletic. The second round is set in the Western Conference, we’ll chat Preds-Jets in what might be the best series of the year.
  • Jason Gregor, TSN1260. Flames are moving on today, hiring a new coach. Should Edmonton do the same?

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

 

 

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118 Responses to "A big red beacon, a flag and a man on the rail"

  1. leadfarmer says:

    The only goalie I would spend that money on in this offseason is Grubauer. At least then you can justify spending that extra money on a goalie. Hey he’s proven that he can run with a team for a while and may be a starting goalie. I think most people would understand that decision. Koskinen at that price. Seems like a typical Chia move.

  2. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ya, I read that tweet this morning, $2.5M X 2? That would be an egregious contract for a potential 29 year old backup tender who has proven nothing.

    Personally, I don’t think we have the cap space to spend any more cap on a back-up tender than the standard $1M to $1.5M, however, if we are going to go higher then it can’t be on a risk contract but on a more proven commodity – a Halak for example.

  3. fifthcartel says:

    Aivis is usually reliable when it comes to KHL stuff.

    $2.5m per year for a 30 year old KHL G with zero NHL success is just baffling (if true). But, that’s Peter Chiarelli management so I wouldn’t be surprised.

  4. Confused says:

    Reports state he is paid 2.6.M this year by SKA

  5. jake70 says:

    “unforced error”

    Good teams don’t make these or at most, once in a blue moon.

  6. Jethro Tull says:

    …”sets up summer in a Mystery Science Theatre way. What will happen? Stay tuned, and bring your inner smartass.”

    You bring your inner smartass, I’m bitter!

  7. Doug McLachlan says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    It would make a lot more sense were the numbers $2.5M over 2 yrs for an AAV of $1.25M, doesn’t it.

    Curious.

  8. Jethro Tull says:

    What does it matter if we pay $2.5M for a back up? What is it, cap adjusted? If some of you are looking for a Halak for $2.5M, then you may be disappointed.

  9. flea says:

    Makes me think it’s the sort of contract that only happens if he makes the team. If he doesn’t – maybe he walks back to the KHL. Not sure how this would impact the cap.

    It’s not a mistake yet. Gotta see how the rest of the summer plays out. Having three viable options for goalie is a good thing. Look at Colorado – Hammond comes in and steals a game, gets them one more in Colorado and the team makes a bunch of cash (even though they lost)

    Seems like an overpay at first blush though.

  10. Scungilli Slushy says:

    They’ll probably give Koskinen 3 years as well with an NMC.

  11. flyfish1168 says:

    PC gambler at it again. I’m hoping these are just rumors

  12. who says:

    4. No way does Matt Benning get you Montour. But if he does, YES, Edmonton makes that deal.

  13. Confused says:

    Once again Russian media reports he made 2.6M last year!!!!!!!

    Are we really expecting him to take a 50%+ pay cut to come to Edmonton!

  14. Pink Socks says:

    9. Jesse Puljujarvi. I would not trade JP, it’s the exactly the kind of move that bites you in the ass for a decade. You can finish the joke if you wish.

    I think you already Finnished it

  15. prefonmich says:

    If this is the plan that Bobby Nicholson is on board with he should be shot out of the same cannon that Chia is heading out of town on.
    CHIA PLAN… overpay for unproven players and trade proven skill players for heavy hockey players then express the need for more speed needed?!
    The whole thing is just baffling to me

  16. Pink Socks says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Ya, I read that tweet this morning, $2.5M X 2?That would be an egregious contract for a potential 29 year old backup tender who has proven nothing.

    Personally, I don’t think we have the cap space to spend any more cap on a back-up tender than the standard $1M to $1.5M, however, if we are going to go higher then it can’t be on a risk contract but on a more proven commodity – a Halak for example.

    Egregious is the correct word for this. $2.5m would be a very poor decision.

  17. Dominoiler says:

    Confused:
    Once again Russian media reports he made 2.6M last year!!!!!!!

    Are we really expecting him to take a 50%+ pay cut to come to Edmonton!

    Exactly.. can people quit blowing their brains out over this..

    ‘we want an upgrade at goal, but only want to pay (in free agency) at sub replacement level to get it..’

  18. Death By Misadventure says:

    If the new guy is making $2.5 x 2 what does the say about the future of Cam Talbot?

    It would seem to me that Cam is not in the future plans or the new guy is a major hedge on crappy Cam or lights-out Cam asking for a $6m next contract.

    I guess what I’m saying is, wtf is going on here?

  19. krakman says:

    Chiarelli has no plan at all he’s just trying to tread water at this point, but with each move he keeps punching more holes in the boat.

    Worst GM in the league last four years running no contest.

  20. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    Grubauer reminds me of… Talbot.

  21. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Death By Misadventure:
    If the new guy is making $2.5 x 2 what does the say about the future of Cam Talbot?

    It would seem to me that Cam is not in the future plans or the new guy is a major hedge on crappy Cam or lights-out Cam asking for a $6m next contract.

    I guess what I’m saying is, wtf is going on here?

    Maybe Talbot’s money is what’s going out. They sign Koskinen and another goalie, try a tandem of lower cost goalies and hope one is playing well at any given time?

  22. krakman says:

    Scungilli Slushy,

    Bet on a goalie with zero nhl games played, awesome plan !!!

    Can’t see anything going wrong with that

  23. Richard S.S. says:

    He’s a starting Goaltender who can plsy a full Season. $2.5.0MM over two is fair ma4ket value. This is not the question. Can Cam Talbot be resigned? Is there a price Peter Chiarelli walks away from? Can Cam Talbot stay Healthy? The question is not how good the Backup Goalie is. The question is how good a Starting goalie can you get to be Backup.

  24. Dominoiler says:

    krakman:
    Scungilli Slushy,

    Bet on a goalie with zero nhl games played, awesome plan !!!

    Can’t see anything going wrong with that

    By that logic they should just go w Montoya.. :/

  25. Dominoiler says:

    Today is a day to not bother reading the comments..

  26. who says:

    Death By Misadventure:
    If the new guy is making $2.5 x 2 what does the say about the future of Cam Talbot?

    It would seem to me that Cam is not in the future plans or the new guy is a major hedge on crappy Cam or lights-out Cam asking for a $6m next contract.

    I guess what I’m saying is, wtf is going on here?

    I think you hit the nail on the head. This is a hedge against whatever season Talbot has next year.
    I’m not going to pass judgement on the signing. I haven’t seen him play and neither has anyone else on this blog. Had anyone heard of Tim Thomas before he got to Boston? Goalies are voodoo.

  27. Death By Misadventure says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Maybe Talbot’s money is what’s going out. They sign Koskinen and another goalie, try a tandem of lower cost goalies and hope one is playing well at any given time?

    That was my thought as well. It doesn’t seem like Talbot is in long term plans here. Why pay say $5m to Talbot on his next contract and take a chance on a potential subsequent down year, when you can have two goalies at $2.5 each and “run the hot hand”. Not saying I agree just looking for rationel.

  28. Death By Misadventure says:

    Richard S.S.: The question is how good a Starting goalie can you get to be Backup.

    That’s an interesting point. But for a team with too many question marks, it would appear the Oilers just added another.

    I think Original Pouzar said it best last week. To paraphrase: it’s amazing how many swings this team needs to get it right.

  29. krakman says:

    Dominoiler,

    Me saying that betting on a goalie with no nhl games means you should bet on a goalie who has played poorly in the nhl?

    I think you have me confused with Chiatelli

    Also seems like logic doesn’t mean what you think it means

  30. --hudson-- says:

    Voynov is looking to come back to the NHL. Perfect player for Edmonton but it’s hard to imagine him being welcomed by any team. It’s been three years since he left so his immigration issues in USA may be solved.
    http://m.sport-express.ru/hockey/khl/news/pyat-klubov-nhl-zainteresovany-v-voynove-1400273/

  31. russ99 says:

    Death By Misadventure: That was my thought as well. It doesn’t seem like Talbot is in long term plans here. Why pay say $5m to Talbot on his next contract and take a chance on a potential subsequent down year, when you can have two goalies at $2.5 each and “run the hot hand”. Not saying I agree just looking for rationel.

    Good points.

    I still think Strome and Benning are going to be moved to clear more cap space.

    The other thing to look at next year are bonuses, which count under the cap.

    We’re clear on performance bonuses next year except for $2,500,000 potentially for Puljujarvi.

  32. dustrock says:

    –hudson–:
    Voynov is looking to come back to the NHL.Perfect player for Edmonton but it’s hard to imagine him being welcomed by any team.It’s been three years since he left so his immigration issues in USA may be solved.
    http://m.sport-express.ru/hockey/khl/news/pyat-klubov-nhl-zainteresovany-v-voynove-1400273/

    No thanks. That was a horrific domestic violence situation and I don’t think he should be welcomed back.

    And $2.5m for a backup who doens’t play in the NHL is just classic Chiarelli..

    Are we sure it’s not a 2 year deal, $2.5m total?

  33. WayneKenov says:

    Never try to predict what an idiot will do.

    The thing that gets me the most is there is a goalie with an identical stat line on the team. Not to mention that absurd save percentages are a theme in the KHL. I do not see this ending well.

  34. JimmyV1965 says:

    Bernier signed a one-year deal with the Avs for $2.75 mill, after posting a .915 save percentage. I can’t see how a KHL goalie would get more than that.

  35. Rondo says:

    Chiarelli makes a major mistake in 2015 and didn’t have a backup goalie and continued till? How many mistakes can this guy make and still keep his job?

    30yr old goalie we will see.

  36. StixMalone says:

    They’re gonna trade Talbot in a package deal to get their righty D man….

  37. jtblack says:

    “If I am Chiarelli, that 2019 draft is absolutely available. The whole damn thing.”

    LT: 2019 Draft is shaping up to be Excellent. we DO NOT trade any picks from that draft …. See 2015 for what might happen if PC does move the picks.

    2019 Could have impact players right thru the first 30 picks (like 2015).

  38. texmex says:

    Pekka Jalonen

    @PekkaJalonen
    44m44 minutes ago
    More
    #Edmonton Oilers F Iiro Pakarinen leaves Alberta and #NHL. His new team is Metallurg Magnitogorsk in #KHL.

  39. stevebergeron97 says:

    Any chance there is a deal to be made between Edmonton and Montreal at the draft? Montreal is positioned to pick 4th or 5th if they don’t win the lottery. Edmonton could draft one of Boqvist//Hughes/Wahlstrom. Montreal is in dire need of a true Centre. Veleno should be available at 9. What assets would have to be added to pull something like this off? One can dream, right?

  40. digger50 says:

    In regards to forwards, after moving Letestu and Maroon we need two forwards just to break even. Maroon in particular, we need a 20 goal man just to break even. We need still another winger to get better.

  41. frjohnk says:

    jtblack: “If I am Chiarelli, that 2019 draft is absolutely available. The whole damn thing.”

    LT: 2019 Draft is shaling up to be Excellent. we DO NOT trade any oicks from that draft See 2015 for what might happen if PC does move the picks.

    2019 Could have impact players right thru the first 30 picks (like 2015).

    Whats amazing is that we are entering year 9 after our first 1st overall pick and to get better right now we are looking at robbing from the future

  42. CalVag says:

    frjohnk: Whats amazing is that we are entering year 9 after our first 1st overall pick and to get better right now we are looking at robbing from the future

    Why man? I was having a good morning

  43. PokeCheck says:

    Considering that the KHL’s top lists are dominated by guys who couldn’t stay in the Oilers lineup during the decade of darkness, maybe we should be looking elsewhere?

    Koskinen played on an absolutely stacked team that went 47-9 in the regular season, and he split those games evenly with Shestyorkin, posting nearly identical stats. Is this really the best goalie out there for <= 2.5M?

    https://en.khl.ru/stat/players/468/all/ska/

    Also, remember that Viktor Fasth put up pretty much the same stats to Koskinen in the KHL after he left Edmonton.

    http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=112977

  44. Melman says:

    StixMalone:
    They’re gonna trade Talbot in a package deal to get their righty D man….

    Calling Carolina?

  45. Hemsky is a gangsta says:

    The source of the 2.5M AAV rumor doesn’t appear to be well connected. He’s a hockeybuzz guy who is tweeting asking for more writing jobs.

  46. LadiesloveSmid says:

    This move is a head scratcher at $2.5M, I guess I’ll have to wait and see how he turns out

  47. maudite says:

    We paid assets to take a goalie with a non expiring contract that we don’t even really want next year…Surely 2.5 Million is too little and 2 years is too few for this crew…

  48. frjohnk says:

    texmex:
    Pekka Jalonen

    @PekkaJalonen44m44 minutes ago
    More
    #Edmonton Oilers F Iiro Pakarinen leaves Alberta and #NHL. His new team is Metallurg Magnitogorsk in #KHL.

    Damn, Now who is going to take head shots at the goalies in practice and warmup?

  49. krakman says:

    maudite:
    We paid assets to take a goalie with a non expiring contract that we don’t even really want next year…Surely 2.5 Million is too little and 2 years is too few for this crew…

    Its part of the master 5 year plan don’t worry everything is right on schedule, Chiarelli is playing chess while were playing checkers.

    Trading for a player you don’t need with a two year contract looks like a bad move on the surface but as part of the master plan it will eventually come out to be a genius.

  50. JimmyV1965 says:

    Hemsky is a gangsta:
    The source of the 2.5M AAV rumor doesn’t appear to be well connected. He’s a hockeybuzz guy who is tweeting asking for more writing jobs.

    This makes me feel much better.

  51. judgedrude says:

    who: Had anyone heard of Tim Thomas before he got to Boston? Goalies are voodoo.

    You mean Tim Thomas who signed with the Oilers, played for the Bulldogs, but lost the job to Steve Passmore?

    Maybe some people here remember.

  52. Pretendergast says:

    Guy tweeting really believes in Koskinen, if he can be trusted to have any inside info anyway.

  53. godot10 says:

    The Oilers lost two high picks for the GM and coach. Two more for Reinhart.

    The Oilers cannot be trading anymore until they are actual contenders looking for a final piece. Currently they are closer to last place than a playoff spot.

  54. leadfarmer says:

    PokeCheck,

    If he was younger maybe it was worth a shot. This year his stats are even with Shestyorkin but last year shestyorkin lapped him by 20 save percentage points and 0.5 GAA

  55. --hudson-- says:

    judgedrude: You mean Tim Thomas who signed with the Oilers, played for the Bulldogs, but lost the job to Steve Passmore?

    Maybe some people here remember.

    Yep I remember him in training camp after his stint in Finland. It was right around the time Dwayne Roloson was a young Flame

  56. Scungilli Slushy says:

    dustrock: No thanks. That was a horrific domestic violence situation and I don’t think he should be welcomed back.

    For me if he’s sorted himself out I’d give him a chance. Sincere people deserve another chance, sincere being the operative word. It worked out for Kassian, different circumstances. It could save Chiarelli’s bacon. Extra due diligence would be essential.

  57. jtblack says:

    Anybody hearing rumors Gulizten will sign as Assistant Coach with Edm?

  58. slopitch says:

    I dont like the AAV but I do like a 2 year deal to offset and help in the Talbot negotiations. Chai is generally quick at moving on from his mistakes so Im less worried about it not working. Just was hoping the backup would be cheaper. But giving Talbot only 50 games would be ideal. So perhaps it could work. Goalies are voodoo. Who knows..

  59. SwedishPoster says:

    Koskinen is held in high regard by most finnish hockey people, he hasn’t just played well in the KHL but has been great for the finnish NT as well. He’s often been mentioned as the best goalie in europe for the last few years. His resume in europe is stellar. Finland picked him over guys like Raanta for the spot behind Rask and Rinne at the World Cup for a reason, it was a decision that wasn’t really questioned either. This obviously doesn’t mean he’ll be a great NHL goalie as it’s really difficult to predict how well goalies translate from one league to another. To hold four nhl games 7-8 years ago against him is harsh though. He’s a far better goalie today.

    I can’t really say how much of his numbers are a product of him playing on KHLs big powerhouse as I’ve mainly seen him with the finnish national team myself. And let’s just say as a swede I don’t like him all that much…

  60. Doug McLachlan says:

    dustrock: No thanks.That was a horrific domestic violence situation and I don’t think he should be welcomed back.

    And $2.5m for a backup who doens’t play in the NHL is just classic Chiarelli..

    Are we sure it’s not a 2 year deal, $2.5m total?

    From my Google Translate:

    “Five NHL clubs interested in Voinow

    Defender Vyacheslav Voinov will not renew the contract with SKA, expiring at the end of the season. He is working to return to the NHL.

    According to “BUSINESS Online”, five NHL clubs are interested in defending: Florida, Montreal, Islanders, Rangers and Winnipeg. Note that the former club Voinova “Los Angeles” is not interested in the return of the Russian hockey player.

    Recall, Russians were disqualified from the North American league for beating their wife, after that he left the US. Before obtaining permission from the NHL, Voinov needs to issue an American visa and a work permit.”

    Be very interested in how whomever signs him deals with the DV issue. Working with clients who have been victims (and perpetrators) of DV, it’s not as simple as “he’s an irredeemable villain” but substantial change, of the sort that is called for here, is rarely a simple fix. A quick, everything is good now, attitude is just asking for trouble. I really hope that they got the help he needed and made the changes that needed to be made in his life. I am skeptical but would love to be proven wrong – the world can always use more people making changes for the better success stories.

  61. OmJo says:

    Peter Chiarelli
    ‏ @FakeOilersGM

    I can’t imagine how Marc Bergevin must feel about seeing @PKSubban1 – a player he stupidly traded away on June 29, 2016 – being nominated for a major NHL award less than 2 years later.

    Marc Bergevin
    ‏ @NotTheHabsGM
    Replying to @FakeOilersGM @PKSubban1

    I can’t imagine how Peter Chiarelli must feel about seeing @hallsy09 – a player he stupidly traded away on June 29, 2016 – being nominated for a major NHL award less than 2 years later.

  62. OmJo says:

    flea: Having three viable options for goalie is a good thing.

    It is when you aren’t a cap-strapped team that finished near the bottom of the league.

  63. dustrock says:

    Doug McLachlan,

    Doug, agreed on people trying to change and I keep in mind Charles Barkley’s “I am not a role model”, but at the same time, there’s been quite a number of DV incidents in pro sports in the last few years and unfortunately, willingly or not, pro athletes are presented as some kind of role model for children.

    We’ve all made mistakes and you look at somebody like MacTavish who has to live with the fact that he killed someone for the rest of his life and he was able to move on and continue his life and his career.

    Should Voynov be afforded the same chance? I dunno, I agree that I’d like to see something concrete that he’s been sober for the last 3 years, he’s attended counseling, whatever.

  64. OriginalPouzar says:

    Stuart Skinner has been named WHL goaltender of the week.

    Given there are only four left, maybe its not quite as big a deal, however, when one of the other goaltenders is Carter Hart…….

  65. OmJo says:

    texmex:
    Pekka Jalonen

    @PekkaJalonen44m44 minutes ago
    More
    #Edmonton Oilers F Iiro Pakarinen leaves Alberta and #NHL. His new team is Metallurg Magnitogorsk in #KHL.

    Well now we know where Todd is headed if/when he gets fired.

  66. OmJo says:

    McLellan doesn’t play Russians, or backup goaltenders. So Chiarelli went out and signed a Russian backup goaltender for $2.5M/year. Lol.

    Edit: Okay he’s Finnish to TMac will definitely play him.

  67. OmJo says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Stuart Skinner has been named WHL goaltender of the week.

    Given there are only four left, maybe its not quite as big a deal, however, when one of the other goaltenders is Carter Hart…….

    The fact he was the best of the final four last week is a pretty big deal.

    Really hope the Oilers don’t screw Skinner up.

  68. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lots of Derek Ryan suggestions these days (maybe stemming from Stauffer mentioning him).

    Yes, D. Ryan would be a fantastic add, some cover at 4C to see if Jujhar can actually play left wing up the lineup (middle 6) full time – what a great value contract that would be if Khaira can.

    At the same time, D. Ryan just had 38 points in addition to his overall game – I don’t imagine $2M will get it done any longer and he’ll price himself out of Edmonton.

    I think a guy like Winnik is a more reasonable add.

  69. Bag of Pucks says:

    When I compare Voynov to MacTavish, I wonder if society has become more or less forgiving towards people who make criminal mistakes in their life?

    Given that MacTavish’s offense resulted in loss of life, you could certainly argue it was more grievous in nature but after his year in jail, he was immediately back in the league (albeit with a connection between Sinden and Sather playing a part in the second chance for MacT).

    Maybe it boils down to repentance? Is Voynov sincerely repentant over his actions?

    Michael Vick was as big a professional sports pariah as there is, and he managed to rehabilitate his image sufficiently to play again. Crazy that he could recover from that, but Kaepernick is seemingly unemployable because of sitting during the anthem.

    One thing’s clear. If people see what happened to the victims, there’s less of an appetite for giving these players a second chance. Ray Rice really couldn’t escape what that elevator video said about his character, and maybe there’s some inherent justice in that.

    From a team building perspective, I think the Oilers dressing room is fragile enough without introducing that type of X factor into it. Connor’s a young Captain. He doesn’t need that headache in his life imo.

  70. OriginalPouzar says:

    Confused:
    Reports state he is paid 2.6.M this year by SKA

    Good info and it puts a reason behind the $2.5M rumor – with that said, Chiarelli has another option – WALK AWAY!

    I believe Chia’s biggest flaw(or one of his biggest flaws) is he gets focused on a certain player and does what he has to do to get that player. For example:

    1) I think he got focused on Adam Larsson and, at the end of the day, was willing to give up Hall to make it happen (I don’t believe he was shopping Hall as much as he was targeting Larsson)

    2) The Kris Russell resign – he was focused on Russell and getting it done early and that’s why he lost with respect to cap hit, term and trade protection in a deal signed on June 23.

  71. Rondo says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    No Kaepernick is sitting because he lacks talent.

  72. OriginalPouzar says:

    –hudson–:
    Voynov is looking to come back to the NHL.Perfect player for Edmonton but it’s hard to imagine him being welcomed by any team.It’s been three years since he left so his immigration issues in USA may be solved.
    http://m.sport-express.ru/hockey/khl/news/pyat-klubov-nhl-zainteresovany-v-voynove-1400273/

    I heard five teams had reached out to his Agent: FLA, NYR, NYI, MTL, WIN.

  73. OriginalPouzar says:

    russ99: Good points.

    I still think Strome and Benning are going to be moved to clear more cap space.

    The other thing to look at next year are bonuses, which count under the cap.

    We’re clear on performance bonuses next year except for $2,500,000 potentially for Puljujarvi.

    Svechnikov will have apx $3M in potential bonuses…….

  74. WayneKenov says:

    OriginalPouzar: Svechnikov will have apx $3M in potential bonuses…….

    Evgeny doesn’t have any performance bonuses (You know Chia will trade for him thinking he is getting the other one).

  75. WayneKenov says:

    The NFL brought Vick back. If you don’t want to let him work again, you might as well give him the chair.

  76. WayneKenov says:

    frjohnk: Whats amazing is that we are entering year 9 after our first 1st overall pick and to get better right now we are looking at robbing from the future

    I had to double check. I can’t believe it’s been that long. Embarrassing.

  77. WayneKenov says:

    Should Vick have gotten another chance? I would argue his thing was worse, but it’s not really a competition.

  78. Pretendergast says:

    Via TSN:

    “Treliving had asked the Hurricanes for permission to speak to Peters last week about coming to Calgary. The GM said he didn’t talk to any other candidates.

    “This is an individual I’m familiar with,” Treliving said. “I was focused on Bill. It’s based upon seeing and living it live with him over albeit a short period of time.”

    I know this song and dance, I fully condone this signing for the Flames. On another note, screw the Flames.

  79. Scungilli Slushy says:

    OriginalPouzar: 1) I think he got focused on Adam Larsson and, at the end of the day, was willing to give up Hall to make it happen (I don’t believe he was shopping Hall as much as he was targeting Larsson)

    Good points.

    I think Hall had grown sideburns and was the one going for a D, or just going. Of course I don’t know for sure, but there have been just too many pieces of information popping up and even still are, painting the picture.

    Also PCs best chip, but no way they would deal him for Larsson straight up if they wanted to keep him or valued his ability. In true Oiler fashion they turned on Hall and took a shellacking on the deal because of ‘character’. Turned out like always, not that I don’t value Larsson.

    Eberle being the nice guy got some rope until playing crappy D the first half of the season, and then the playoffs sealed his fate. That could have been all PC. Hall I doubt it.

    Nuge remains because he tows the line, is a centre, and has been able to adapt to their requests. At least so far.

  80. €√¥£€^$ says:
  81. SwedishPoster says:

    €√¥£€^$:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Here is a list of KHL salaries from 2016, Koskinen was the 18th highest.$1.3 million.

    https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/khl-contract-salaries-highest-paid-datsyuk-radulov-kovalchuk-kontinental-hockey-league/

    Yeah that 2.6 being tossed around was probably the total on his last two year contract.

  82. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    SwedishPoster: Yeah that 2.6 being tossed around was probably the totalon his last two year contract.

    – but isn’t it more fun to bash the gm for a goalie that he may sign and bash the gm for the terms and length and amount?

  83. --hudson-- says:

    Article on Pakarinen:
    http://www.iltalehti.fi/khl/201804232200897707_jr.shtml

    Even the Finnish commenters are hard on the Oilers.
    via Google Translate:
    “thanks to Edmonton because in today’s society you get some positive Finnish success, you do not feel all the Finns who have gone to Edmonton for a reason or another flop”

    “And not Finns. Nuggets and other promises are a flop in the same organization as well.”

    I wonder who else are they thinking of? Lennart Petrell, Joensuu, Hartikainen? Or are they getting ahead of themselves with Puljujarvi?

  84. Confused says:

    Salary budgets and bonuses of Western clubs. Who spends and how much

    Do not faint from how much it costs SKA to be the base club of the national team.

    https://www.championat.com/hockey/article-288599-summy-kontraktov-i-bonusov-v-klubah-khl-zapadnoj-konferencii.html

  85. Scungilli Slushy says:

    “The two-dimensional Koskinen has been transformed into a high-pitched slowness slowly but determinedly. Marko Torenius has been the personal trainer of cold-blooded rebellion for decades.”

    Even if he sucks don’t say it to his face. Or JPs, his buddy!

    Maybe Torenius could rally all of us up for a cold blooded rebellion on Kinsgway.

    http://www.iltalehti.fi/nhl/201804222200895350_nh.shtml?_ga=2.264434568.62710415.1524515997-1765543188.1524515997

  86. krakman says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    Its even more fun to say how awesome the worst gm in the league is.

  87. --hudson-- says:

    Confused:
    Salary budgets and bonuses of Western clubs. Who spends and how much

    Do not faint from how much it costs SKA to be the base club of the national team.

    https://www.championat.com/hockey/article-288599-summy-kontraktov-i-bonusov-v-klubah-khl-zapadnoj-konferencii.html

    Thanks for the link!

    Converts to just over $40M USD

  88. ArmchairGM says:

    Condolences to those affected in Toronto today.

  89. ArmchairGM says:

    Woodguy, what do the numbers say about Brandon Montour? He’s 24 and has only 1 full season under his belt, is he driving his pairing or otherwise?

    CapFriendly has a suggested trade: Edmonton’s 2018 1st rounder (9/10 overall) + Bear for Montour. Fair? Worth it?

  90. godot10 says:

    ArmchairGM:
    Woodguy, what do the numbers say about Brandon Montour? He’s 24 and has only 1 full season under his belt, is he driving his pairing or otherwise?

    CapFriendly has a suggested trade: Edmonton’s 2018 1st rounder (9/10 overall) + Bear for Montour. Fair? Worth it?

    Anaheim has offloaded Vatanen and Theodore in the last year. They are not going to offload Manson or Montour, particularly for magic beans.

  91. Bling says:

    godot10: Anaheim has offloaded Vatanen and Theodore in the last year.They are notgoing to offload Manson or Montour, particularly for magic beans.

    Agreed.

  92. Ari says:

    ArmchairGM,

    Yesterday, Woodguy had Montour on his list for being a positive GF% over the last 2 years. He plays second pair with Fowler.

    Looking at his WOWY in regards to Fowler, his CF and FF% are about even with Fowler. He neither drives nor drags. I like him.

  93. Confused says:

    OV2 announces he is leaving the NHL.

  94. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    That roster’s scary. The wingers are a pile of…

    Sekera out and Ristolainen in? What are we trading for Risto? I could see the Oilers trading for him because he fits the pattern of getting the guy they let get away. e.g. Reinhart after they took Yak. Larsson after they took Nuge. Risto after they took Nurse.

  95. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Ari:
    ArmchairGM,

    Yesterday, Woodguy had Montour on his list for being a positive GF% over the last 2 years.He plays second pair with Fowler.

    Looking at his WOWY in regards to Fowler, his CF and FF% are about even with Fowler.He neither drives nor drags.I like him.

    Watched a lot of Montour live down in Tucson. Just my opinion but he has a higher ceiling than Benning.

  96. Munny says:

    Confused:
    OV2 announces he is leaving the NHL.

    That’s too bad. He really grew on me in his short stint here and I enjoyed watching him play.

  97. Confused says:

    Lots of people, Bob Jack, mentioning Yawney he is apparently not being re-uped.

  98. godot10 says:

    Confused:
    Lots of people, Bob Jack, mentioning Yawney he is apparently not being re-uped.

    When have assistant coaches ever really mattered?

  99. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    godot10: When have assistant coaches ever really mattered?

    Why do they exist then?

  100. leadfarmer says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): Watched a lot of Montour live down in Tucson. Just my opinion but he has a higher ceiling than Benning.

    I don’t think it’s even close.

  101. Lowetide says:

    I am a big fan of Montour.

  102. OriginalPouzar says:

    Yawney is not being brought back by the Ducks.

    There is lots of reason to think he’d be a great hire, either as an assistant to McLellan or the head coach in Bakersfield.

    He’s been an NHL and an AHL head coach so, if McLellan is on a short leash and falters, he could potentially take over.

    He ran the Ducks PK which was top 5 the last 3 seasons and, from accounts, has a great track record at developing young D.

  103. Yeti says:

    –hudson–:
    Article on Pakarinen:
    http://www.iltalehti.fi/khl/201804232200897707_jr.shtml

    Even the Finnish commenters are hard on the Oilers.
    via Google Translate:
    “thanks to Edmonton because in today’s society you get some positive Finnish success, you do not feel all the Finns who have gone to Edmonton for a reason or another flop”

    “And not Finns. Nuggets and other promises are a flop in the same organization as well.”

    I wonder who else are they thinking of? Lennart Petrell, Joensuu, Hartikainen?Or are they getting ahead of themselves with Puljujarvi?

    This is very odd. Pakarinen was never a dominant player in lesser leagues and was always a bit of a long shot for the NHL. It’s quite possible to argue that he overachieved in Edmonton.

  104. Yeti says:

    OriginalPouzar: Yawney is not being brought back by the Ducks.

    There’s more:
    “Among the potential replacements for Yawney could be Dallas Eakins, current head coach of the San Diego Gulls. Eakins is familiar with a good portion of the current defensive corps including Brandon Montour and Marcus Pettersson, in addition to the potential blueline youngsters looking to make the team next season in Jacob Larsson and Andy Welinski.”
    🙂

  105. Confused says:

    Kosk rumoured SKA to Oilers

    Slep rumoured Oilers to SKA

    They should talk!

  106. Yeti says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    Perhaps not the day for that comment.

  107. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Gord damn leafs… why won’t they just roll over and go golfing…

  108. flyfish1168 says:

    I am happy the phlegms hired Peters. I don’t see him as a difference maker. The teams he has coached have always sucked.

  109. Younger Oil says:

    Days like this are times that I don’t want McLellan as a coach.

    Babcock calls out the refs in the media, next game comes along, calls are even for both sides. Even let Toronto get away with the most blatant interference ever for the game clinching goal.

  110. flyfish1168 says:

    Younger Oil:
    Days like this are times that I don’t want McLellan as a coach.

    Babcock calls out the refs in the media, next game comes along, calls are even for both sides. Even let Toronto get away with the most blatant interference ever for the game clinching goal.

    Not sure who from the league office came out and told teams to stop complaining near the end of the season, but I can see the NHL doesn’t have any intestinal fortitude to fine the leafs

  111. Side says:

    Younger Oil:
    Days like this are times that I don’t want McLellan as a coach.

    Babcock calls out the refs in the media, next game comes along, calls are even for both sides. Even let Toronto get away with the most blatant interference ever for the game clinching goal.

    This is quite the spin.

  112. leadfarmer says:

    Well how many playoff games now has Bobrovsky given up 3 or more goals. 16 in a row?
    Hope you guys didnt lose too much money on that bet

  113. Glass says:

    Is there any indication that Slepyshev is heading to the KHL? Clearly Auvitu is headed back to Europe.

  114. Lowetide says:

    Glass:
    Is there any indication the Slepyshev is heading to the KHL? Clearly Auvitu is headed back to Europe.

    Just rumors from the KHL side, nothing I recall from local or national Canadian media.

  115. rope-a-dope says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Yawney is not being brought back by the Ducks.

    There is lots of reason to think he’d be a great hire, either as an assistant to McLellan or the head coach in Bakersfield.

    He’s been an NHL and an AHL head coach so, if McLellan is on a short leash and falters, he could potentially take over.

    He ran the Ducks PK which was top 5 the last 3 seasons and, from accounts, has a great track record at developing young D.

    Hope this happens. Would certainly seem like a merit based approach.

  116. Munny says:

    Washington is kind of under the radar; this isn’t supposed to be the year. Less pressure on the players.

    Four games head-to-head this season against Les Stylos, end result 2-2, +1 GD — could be a really tight series, which means who knows?

    Except Pitt looks like they have a switch they can flip. Like the Oil Paintings of Yore. Fully invested, fully confident, best handwriting in class.

    But I have this naggin’ feeling I should probably ignore…

  117. Lowetide says:

    For The Athletic: Jujhar Khaira took a big step forward in 2017-18. Can he build on it?

    https://theathletic.com/325055/2018/04/24/jujhar-khaira-took-a-big-step-forward-last-season-with-oilers/

  118. OriginalPouzar says:

    I’ve been fairly adamant in my opinion that Khaira should be pencilled in as the 4C next year and have disagreed with those that want him to play up the lineup.

    I have softened on that view a bit as, if he is able to play left wing in the middle six and perform as a middle six winger, he provides extreme value for $675K.

    Coming in the this season, I never thought he had the offence to be any more than a fourth liner – I had seen hands of stone in the past. He has banished that thought from my brain as I saw more puck skills from Jujhar than I ever thought he had – carrying the puck through the neutral zone with power and confidence. He showed some finishing ability as well.

    With that said, I think his shooting percentage from this past season is a bit unsustainable so i’m not sure exactly where his offensive ceiling is. On the other hand, a full season with Drai and/or Strome as his center could lead to some very decent box-cars (I believe his fancies with Strome were very good this past season).

    Either way, I do think it would be great to get some 4C cover to compete with Khaira for the 4C and allow him to play up the lineup if he earns it.

    Derek Ryan has been mentioned alot including by Stauffer, however, with 38 points this past year, I think he’s priced himself out of Edmonton. Someone like Brodziak or Winnik can cover the 4C at a true 4th line cost.

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