Back Draft

Edmonton moved back to No. 10 last night, Carolina moved up in a big way and knocked the Oilers down a notch. I don’t believe it’s a big deal but it could be enough to push Peter Chiarelli closer to trading the selection. My guess is the club has seven or eight names they like and if those prospects are gone, a trade is more likely. In other news, it looks like the U18’s have improved the stock of several prospects.

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COMING INTO VIEW

The top 10 in this year’s draft is coming into view and there are some surprises. We’ve talked in the past about late spikes from European players, and it’s happening now in real time. Both Bob McKenzie and Craig Button have late arriving names and that informs the draft in a big way.

Bob McKenzie

  1. Rasmus Dahlin
  2. Andrei Svechnikov
  3. Filip Zadina
  4. Brady Tkachuk
  5. Evan Bouchard
  6. Adam Boqvist
  7. Oliver Wahlstrom
  8. Noah Dobson
  9. Quinn Hughes
  10. Jesperi Kotkaniemi

Craig Button (Mock, not ranking)

  1. Rasmus Dahlin
  2. Andrei Svechnikov
  3. Filip Zadina
  4. Brad Tkachuk
  5. Quinn Hughes
  6. Evan Bouchard
  7. Noah Dobson
  8. Jesperi Kotkaniemi
  9. Oliver Wahlstrom
  10. Adam Boqvist

Kotkaniemi moves up in my list (tomorrow) but not into the top 10. The kids from Euro teams who show well at the U18’s will rocket up the lists, there are probably 10 this year. Oscar Klefbom was such a player in 2011.

Let’s assume McKenzie’s top nine names are correct (it’s a good bet) and all other names are available. Here’s my take on the four best available at No. 10.

  1. LD Ty Smith. Terrific speed and transporting ability, excellent passer and (despite performance at U18’s) a reputation for being good in coverage. The recent tournament may hurt his draft number, but at No. 10 I think he would be great value.
  2. LC Jesperi Kotkaniemi. The big winner at the U18’s, Kotkaniemi moved up in a big way from McKenzie’s mid-season ratings, from No. 19 to No. 10. If the Oilers have interest, he might be gone by No. 10. His NHLE (18.9) is not strong for a Top 10 pick but he was playing in the Sm-Liiga last season.  He has a nice range of skills, the offense suggests a future No. 2 center but maybe he has another gear. He could play in the AHL next season.
  3. LC Jacob Olofsson. He’s a fine prospect who isn’t getting much attention. Based on scouting reports, I’d say he is similar to Kotkaniemi but less dynamic as a skater while being a more promising offensive player.
  4. L Joel Farabee. Speedy winger who can make plays at high speed and is regarded as a shooter (and playmaker). I think he might be a good fit for the Oilers group, and he absolutely should be on the board at No. 10.

Friedman’s 31 Thoughts are here and there’s some great Oilers content. The signing of Koskinen could be announced as soon as this week, and would move the 50-man (signed) list to 35.

  1. G Cam Talbot. Signed for one more season, he had a .920 save percentage during March/April (final 17 games). Oilers. No. 1.
  2. G Al Montoya. Signed for next season, he’s an established goalie but the signing of Koskinen puts his NHL job in doubt.
  3. G Mikko Koskinen. An interesting signing, we await the cap hit. His resume is solid but there is a lot of unknown at a position screaming for certainty.
  4. G Shane Starrett. He’s signed and that’s a big advantage. SP fell year over year from .918 to .899 in Bakersfield.
  5. G Dylan Wells. Turns pro this fall. Three year save percentages in Peterborough (.871, .916 and .896) suggests Wells may begin his pro career in the ECHL.
  6. LD Oscar Klefbom. Went 66, 5-16-21 in a season made difficult due to injury. His surgery went well, he is a player who is vulnerable to trade.
  7. RD Adam Larsson. He went 63, 4-9-13 in a difficult year for him, played well and had solid results while playing tough minutes.
  8. LD Kris Russell. He delivered 78, 4-17-21 and continues to lose the possession battle (it was closer though, Fenwick 49.48).
  9. LD Andrej Sekera. He went 36, 0-8-8 but the final games were the only contests where he resembled the Sekera of last season. He was shutdown for the season’s final games but is apparently heading to the WHC’s.
  10. RD Ethan Bear. In the NHL (18, 1-3-4) and AHL (34, 6-10-16) he combined the errors of youth with signs of what may come. Smart, great passer, he finds attractive options while passing on low risk items. Very encouraging season.
  11. LD Caleb Jones. He went 55, 2-14-16 this season in Bakersfield, settling down after a wobbly first 15 games. He and Bear separated this season in career trajectory, this is a good time to remind prospects don’t develop in a straight line. There’s a player here.
  12. RD Ryan Mantha. A concerning eye injury ended his season (41, 3-7-10) and we’re not really sure where he stands. Mantha showed well when he played, recovery is the next important step in his career.
  13. LD Ryan Stanton. 46gp, 2-6-8 in Bakersfield he didn’t play in Edmonton, mostly due to an injury that put him behind in training camp. He might be more prominent next season.
  14. RD Eric Gryba. He was 21, 0-2-2 in Edmonton before heading back to Bakersfield. Foot speed got him, he could still defend on his final day in the NHL. The Don Awrey’s are leaving.
  15. LD William Lagesson. A strong SHL season and playoff has him poised for a jump aross the water. He was 49, 1-12-13 during the season, a dozen SHL assists is a handsome total. He is best known for good wheels and excellent coverage.
  16. LD Dmitri SamorukovSlide rule. Strong OHL season showing fine speed and defensive acumen, plus some offensive flair. Impressed the hell out of everyone in a brief audition with Bakersfield at the end of the year.
  17. LC Connor McDavid. Impossibly brilliant hockey player, McDavid once again won the scoring championship (82, 41-67-108) and has clearly established himself at the top of the game. A dream player for any manager or coach.
  18. LC Leon Draisaitl. He struggled with injury and inconsistency all year, but still managed to post 78, 25-45-70. The organization needs to find him two wingers who can complement his considerable gifts. I believe Jesse Puljujarvi may be one.
  19. LC Brad Malone. He was 56, 13-20-33 in the AHL and 7, 0-0-0 with Edmonton this season. He is a player I can see spending more time in the NHL next season, especially if he shows well as a penalty killer in preseason.
  20. LC Joe Gambardella. A slow start gave was to a strong finish in Bakersfield. If he’s going to make the NHL, Gambardella will need to spike offensively next year.
  21. RC Cooper Marody. Late trade addition has skill and will receive a push beginning in the fall. He can play center or wing, suspect he’ll get a long look at pivot due to need.
  22. RC Cameron Hebig. Overage junior signed in the spring and has a good resume. His offense in the WHL this season was outstanding. He turns pro in the fall, age 21.
  23. LC Colin Larkin. Division III center is a bit of a mystery, the good boots got him the contract and we’ll see. Spent some time in Bakersfield at the end of the year.
  24. L Ryan Nugent-Hopkins. Surged offensively when placed with McDavid, he brings some two-way acumen to the top line. He was 62, 24-24-48 this year. No longer appears to be vulnerable to trade.
  25. L Jujhar Khaira. 69, 11-10-21 in his arrival season in the NHL. Khaira has a range of skills and the offense seals the deal as a bona fide NHL player. You’ll want to see 11+ goals next season, but this is a fabulous story. Oilers don’t have a lot of third-round picks who see the light of day.
  26. L Milan Lucic. A disappointing season (82, 10-24-34) marked by an extreme lack of productivity after the AS break. He got chances too, with big time linemates. I don’t think the Oilers can enter next season projecting Lucic on a skill line. He’ll have to earn his minutes.
  27. L Tyler Benson. A strong final WHL season was most impressive because the young man stayed healthy. His NHLE (28.29) suggests he might be closer to Jujhar Khaira than Patrick Maroon as a mature offensive player. Two-way acumen should take him far.
  28. L Ostap Safin. Slide rule. He’s a real find. A fourth rounder scored well in the QMJHL  despite having very little in the way of help in the back half of the season. Spent time in Bakersfield and scored his first professional goal this spring. Could be in the AHL this fall.
  29. R Ty Rattie. A late recall (he scored well in the AHL) gave the organization a boost and some hope for next year. Earned a contract and offers the team some cover at the right-wing position. His job depends in large part on what line he plays on, one would hope Rattie shows more range once established in the NHL.
  30. R Jesse Puljujarvi. A difficult season for the youngster, he scored 65, 12-8-20 while playing with damned near every center in captivity. I remain convinced he will spike and turn into a major asset, his goal progress (1-12-?) offers some hope.
  31. R Pontus Aberg. I liked his game when he came over (16, 2-6-8) and there’s little doubt Aberg will be on the team in the fall. I think the Oilers see him as a skill line option.
  32. R Zack Kassian. He scored 74, 7-12-19 this season and he offers Edmonton a physical element on the fourth line, plus a growing presence on the penalty kill.
  33. R Kailer Yamamoto. He posted three assists in nine NHL games to start the year, and then had an uneven WHL campaign (NHLE: 38). His junior offense suggests he has enough in his bat to play on a skill line, the question is when.
  34. R Mitch Callahan. He got lost in Bakersfield this season, Callahan should have a better second year in California.
  35. R Kirill Maksimov. Slide rule. He may end up being the steal of 2017’s draft for Edmonton. Maksimov is a goal-scorer in an organization with very few.

 RESTRICTED

  1. LD Darnell Nurse. Led D in scoring (82, 6-20-26) and had his best year so far, although January+ saw regression from an excellent first half. Nurse is part of the future in Edmonton.
  2. RD Matt Benning. He scored 73, 6-15-21 this season and established himself as a solid NHL defender. Seems to be past the concussion of last season and is rock solid as a third pairing option.
  3. RC Ryan Strome. He scored 82, 13-21-34 and that’s exactly in line with expectations. Strome didn’t get much time with McDavid, one of many curios this season.
  4. The rest: Nick Ellis, Ben Betker, Drake Caggiula, Braden Christoffer, Kyle Platzer, Anton Slepyshev, Iiro Pakarinen, Patrick Russell. (Total: 10)

 UNRESTRICTED

  • Laurent Brossoit, Mark Fayne, Yohann Auvitu, Keegan Lowe, Joey Laleggia, Dillon Simpson, Grayson Downing, Mike Cammalleri, Brian Ferlin. (10)

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  1. Jethro Tull says:

    Jesperi Kotkaniemi: If the Oilers have interest, he might be gone by No. 10.

    LT, are you suggesting someone else drafts him to stop the Oilers getting him? Because that’s the definition of making decisions based on things other than winning. Which I thought only the Oilers did.

    RC Ryan Strome. He scored 82, 13-21-34 and that’s exactly in line with expectations. Strome didn’t get much time with McDavid, one of many curios this season.

    34pts, exactly in line with expectations and it’s curious he never played with McDavid much?

  2. Rondo says:

    My Mock Draft so far.

    1. Buffalo Rasmus Dahlin
    2. Carolina Andrei Svechnikov
    3. Montreal Filip Zadina
    4. Ottawa Adam Boqvist
    5. Arizona Quinn Hughes
    6. Detroit Noah Dobson
    7. Vancouver Brady Tkachuk
    8. Chicago Evan Bouchard
    9. New York Oliver Wahlstrom
    10. Edmonton Jesperi Kotkaniemi

  3. Confused says:

    Most of the rest (keep Cags,slep) and all of the UFA need to go.

    Let’s sign Vesel and Day and start swinging for the fences in other leagues.

  4. Lowetide says:

    Jethro Tull:

    34pts, exactly in line with expectations and it’s curious he never played with McDavid much?

    Did you see the group who played with McDavid? Strome would have been a better choice than several who got the opportunity.

  5. GCW_69 says:

    Every time I look at the oilers cap situation I can’t see a way they can keep Kassian and get better where they need to. They need someone playing that role at about $1M less to help pay for those wingers McDavid and Leon need. If Kassian is on the roster in October, either they made a really dumb trade somewhere else, or there is still going to be winger problems.

  6. Confused says:

    Difficult to believe that nobody will reach for a C in the top 10

  7. Tarkus says:

    I would be very surprised if the Oilers pass on Ty Smith at #10 if he’s still available, being a teammate of Yamamoto’s. Leftorium be hanged.

  8. Cahoon says:

    I noticed Craig has us getting Boqvist… that would be a dream draft at 10.

  9. stevebergeron97 says:

    Ty Smith should be available at 10. I could also see Kotkaniemi sneaking into the top 10 from his showing at the U18’s.

  10. Jethro Tull says:

    Lowetide: Did you see the group who played with McDavid? Strome would have been a better choice than several who got the opportunity.

    Levity aside, Strome was actually trusted by TMac, especially after the McDavid/Drai split to anchor that 3rd line. You move him up on Connor’s wing, leave Nuge at 3rd and then wait for the inevitable posts about how the Oilers want Nuge gone and are sewering his value playing him at limited minutes.

    It took a glacial age to put Nuge on Connor’s wing, but it was the right call, if the call was “who should we put on Connor’s wing? Nuge or St. Romeo?” “Well, who’s more likely to produce?”

    Now maybe Stromsey should have been given the opportunity when Nuge was injured, but then that still leaves you short an NHL center, which Stromboli is.

  11. Jethro Tull says:

    Cahoon:
    I noticed Craig has us getting Boqvist… that would be a dream draft at 10.

    I dream bigger. Dahlin @ 10! Book it.

  12. Tarkus says:

    Jethro Tull: I dream bigger. Dahlin @ 10! Book it.

    Don’t you mean ‘Boq’ it?

  13. Tarkus says:

    Jethro Tull: I dream bigger. Dahlin @ 10! Book it.

    Don’t you mean ‘Boq’ it?

  14. Lowetide says:

    Jethro Tull: Levity aside, Strome was actually trusted by TMac, especially after the McDavid/Drai split to anchor that 3rd line. You move him up on Connor’s wing, leave Nuge at 3rd and then wait for the inevitable posts about how the Oilers want Nuge gone and are sewering his value playing him at limited minutes.

    It took a glacial age to put Nuge on Connor’s wing, but it was the right call, if the call was “who should we put on Connor’s wing? Nuge or St. Romeo?” “Well, who’s more likely to produce?”

    Now maybe Stromsey should have been given the opportunity when Nuge was injured, but then that still leaves you short an NHL center, which Stromboli is.

    97, 29, 93 up the middle was possible at times this season. I do agree Strome was solid as 3C once they put him there permanently.

  15. Death By Misadventure says:

    LT, any idea how does Kotkaniemi’s equivalency/offensive output compare with Jesse Pool Party?

    If it’s short, I’m assuming there won’t be a lot of happy fans after that selection.

  16. flyfish1168 says:

    If Tavares walks. I would go to Snow offer Draisaitl for Barzal, Ryan Pulock and their 1st. or the phlegms 1st pick. 3-1 deal
    Barzal is real, Pulock is going to be no less than a 2nd pairing and we get a pick another that is 2020/21 protected. CAP space savings next couple of years. I see it as a win.

  17. VOR says:

    LT,

    I may be misreading this but I think you meant to list the five best players available at #10 and there are only 4 names.

  18. who says:

    Man, I feel for Ottawa.
    You cant give the 4OV away cause the draft lottery odds say you will probably pick lower next year.
    BUT, they could easily have the best lottery odds next year. If they were to win that lottery and hand Colorado Jack Hughes, man, that is a franchise killer.

  19. jtblack says:

    Yesterday you discussed Bostons 3 picks in Round 1 and tried to reach a conclusion they didnt mess up those 3 picks.

    http://www.mynhldraft.com/2015-draft/prospect-rankings/

    Almost all lists had Barzal #5 -#9. Connor up above 15.

    So the 13,14 & 15 choices SHOULD have been much better for Boston FULL STOP.

    And even with those misses, the Damn Bruins keep winning!

  20. jtblack says:

    flyfish1168:
    If Tavares walks. I would go to Snow offer Draisaitl for Barzal, Ryan Pulock and their 1st. or the phlegms 1st pick. 3-1 deal
    Barzal is real, Pulock is going to be no less than a 2nd pairing and we get a pick another that is 2020/21 protected. CAP space savings next couple of years. I see it as a win.

    I bet Snow wouldnt trade Barzal straight up for Drai. What world you living in?

  21. jtblack says:

    who:
    Man, I feel for Ottawa.
    You cant give the 4OV away cause the draft lotteryodds sayyou will probably pick lower next year.
    BUT,they could easily have the best lottery odds next year. If they were to win that lottery and hand Colorado Jack Hughes, man,that is a franchise killer.

    SEE Toronto trade when they acquired Phil Kessel. Gave up a 1st rounder as part of the package. Have Toronto had an unexpectedly bad year, the puck became #2OV – Tyler Seguin

  22. flyfish1168 says:

    jtblack: I bet Snow wouldnt trade Barzal straight up for Drai.What world you living in?

    Snow will become desperate. Leon at this point is more developed and better all-around player. that is the real world buddy. Barzal needs a 2nd good year to prove himself.

  23. godot10 says:

    flyfish1168:
    If Tavares walks. I would go to Snow offer Draisaitl for Barzal, Ryan Pulock and their 1st. or the phlegms 1st pick. 3-1 deal
    Barzal is real, Pulock is going to be no less than a 2nd pairing and we get a pick another that is 2020/21 protected. CAP space savings next couple of years. I see it as a win.

    This would be an extremely ill-advised and franchise destroying trade for the Oilers.

  24. russ99 says:

    The numbers don’t show Strome in a good light at 3C, the boxcars are weak, he wasn’t particularly effective at either end of the ice, the only good thing you can point at is the Pk was better. He has a good shot but it rarely ends up on net.

    I’d think it would be a smarter move to sign Winnik or Brodiak at half his projected salary than qualify a mediocre player at best at $3M because of who we gave up to get him, and use the cap savings to add another winger.

  25. Spooky Lynx says:

    I suspect the majority of you follow Edmonton Prospect Watch on Twitter (@EDProspectWatch) or YouTube, but for those who haven’t seen it yet he/she posted Cooper Marodys season highlights a few days ago. The kid has got skill in spades. I’m excited about his potential.

    https://youtu.be/LAkDNIbT-0M

  26. dustrock says:

    Do you think there’s anyway Carolina picks Zadina because he was so good with Necas?

    Wonder how many teams would come calling Bergevin about trading for Svechnikov?

    If Montreal wants a center they can’t pick Veleno or Kotkaniemi at 3 but if they wanted say the #10 pick I wonder if we could trade up somehow.

  27. jtblack says:

    flyfish1168: Snow will become desperate. Leon at this point is more developed and better all-around player. that is the real world buddy. Barzal needs a 2nd good year to prove himself.

    The Real World. You think a GM wouldmove an 85 point C who has 2 more years @ $900k for a 70 point C whos paid $8.5 Mil per and because its such a good deal, he will throw in a few more pieces.

  28. Spooky Lynx says:

    “I remain convinced he will spike and turn into a major asset, his goal progress (1-12-?) offers some hope.”

    Jesse confirmed to score 144 goals next season?

  29. Brantford Boy says:

    Sail on Noah Dobson, we didn’t even get to draft you…

    So seriously, what does Matt Benning and the 1st rounder get you in return? Is it the coveted 2nd pair RD, or a puck mover PP specialist? What more does Calgary want for Hamilton?

    LT, as for Leon’s wingers; I believe Jesse Puljujarvi may be “two”… see, problem fixed!

    This coffee sucks, needs more Baileys… stupid lotto balls…

  30. stevebergeron97 says:

    Death By Misadventure:
    LT, any idea how does Kotkaniemi’s equivalency/offensive output compare with Jesse Pool Party?

    If it’s short, I’m assuming there won’t be a lot of happy fans after that selection.

    GP. G. A. TP. PPG. +/-
    1. Aleksander Barkov (C) 85 28 36 64 0.75 23
    2. Mikael Granlund (C/W) 45 13 27 40 0.89 11
    3. Jesse Puljujärvi (RW) 71 17 22 39 0.55 9
    4. Juuso Ikonen (RW) 77 17 18 35 0.45 2
    5. Patrik Laine (RW/LW) 52 17 17 34 0.65. 6
    6. Artturi Lehkonen (LW/RW) 63 16 18 34 0.54 5
    7. Juha Jyrkkiö (LW) 70 21 12 33 0.47 0
    8. Jari Torkki (RW/LW) 35 13 17 30 0.86 -31
    9. Joel Armia (RW) 48 18 11 29 0.60 9
    10. Jesperi Kotkaniemi (C) 57 10 19 29 0.51 -1

  31. sumaclab says:

    Need to draft a forward at 10. A center preferably. There is a couple of real interesting kids I would look at. There is a 6′ 5 RW and a center from the Q. Its going to be reallly interesting if Tavares leaves NY. Montreal? If Tavares leaves it could be a total rebuild on the Island and a fire sale may ensue. Could Chia bring back a Eberle for a second round pick? If he could. Should he? Tavares is a major domino that will set the scene for a lot of teams come July 1st.

  32. flyfish1168 says:

    jtblack: The Real World. You think a GM wouldmove an 85 point C who has 2 more years @ $900k for a 70 point C whos paid $8.5 Mil per and because its such a good deal, he will throw in a few more pieces.

    You are right it is not a good deal in some respects. In the real-world desperate people do desperate things and if Travares walks Snow will become that. Always two sides to every deal. Never know till you ask. Godot10 feels it would be bordering on franchise destroying trade on the Oilers part.

  33. Lowetide says:

    Death By Misadventure:
    LT, any idea how does Kotkaniemi’s equivalency/offensive output compare with Jesse Pool Party?

    If it’s short, I’m assuming there won’t be a lot of happy fans after that selection.

    Puljujarvi was 20.7, Kotkaniemi is 18.9.

  34. Bad Seed says:

    Button’s mock draft has Boqvist falling to the Oilers.

  35. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Brantford Boy:

    LT, as for Leon’s wingers; I believe Jesse Puljujarvi may be “two”… see, problem fixed!

    – For Pool : it;s go time this year. If in draft +3, a 4rth overall pick isn’t able to play on a skill line, and have PP time, then its a problem.

    – Whether that’s a problem becasue they drafted the wrong guy, they didn’t develop him right, they didn’t coach him right, or the player isn’t right will be open for debate

    – But Pool has to play with skill next near and score goals.

    – Whether that’s with Strome or Drai or McD: it’s his time. The org and he know this

  36. Lowetide says:

    jtblack:
    Yesterday you discussed Bostons 3 picks in Round 1 and tried to reach a conclusion they didnt mess up those 3 picks.

    http://www.mynhldraft.com/2015-draft/prospect-rankings/

    Almost all lists had Barzal #5 -#9.Connor up above 15.

    So the 13,14 & 15 choices SHOULD have been much better for BostonFULL STOP.

    And even with those misses, the Damn Bruins keep winning!

    My argument, clearly poorly worded, was that they HAD messed up the picks but received value in DeBrusk and then Carlo. No doubt they missed on the selections, although we don’t know if Zboril and Senyshyn will or won’t develop.

  37. Confused says:

    Assuming the draft ranking are accurate, big assumption

    2018 3OV + patches for 2018 11OV + 2018 12OV + rights to JT and deHann

    Offer JT whatever it takes and deHann full UFA market rate. Assumes Snow cannot resign.

    MTL selects Veleno 12 and trades 11 + 2 2018 R2 to select Kothaniemi

    All MTL C problems are…..

  38. speeds says:

    LT:

    Do you think Merkley at 10OV would be the best chance at a draft home run?

  39. jtblack says:

    Lowetide: My argument, clearly poorly worded, was that they HAD messed up the picks but received value in DeBrusk and then Carlo. No doubt they missed on the selections, although we don’t know if Zboril and Senyshyn will or won’t develop.

    Got it. Agreed. They shouldnhave done better The rest of their picks have made up for it.

    Pastnak in 2014 and McAvoy in 2016 are Amazing

  40. Death By Misadventure says:

    stevebergeron97:

    THANK YOU. This is very useful.

  41. jtblack says:

    flyfish1168: You are right it is not a good deal in some respects. In the real-world desperate people do desperate things and if Travares walks Snow will become that. Always two sides to every deal. Never know till you ask.Godot10 feels it would be bordering on franchise destroying trade on the Oilers part.

    Is this PC? Franchise destroying to trade Drai for Barzal, Pulock & #12OV.

    Are you nuts? I would do that deal today, tomorroe and everyday thereafter. And I like Drai.

    But pieces in and dollars out. All Day!
    Again Drai straight up for Barzal is more realistic

  42. stevebergeron97 says:

    I’m thinking Carolina’s lottery win makes moving someone like Skinner a much easier decision. Is Aho untouchable now that Svechnikov will be sporting a Canes jersey?

  43. Death By Misadventure says:

    Lowetide: Puljujarvi was 20.7, Kotkaniemi is 18.9.

    So he’s in range. Thanks.

  44. Lowetide says:

    speeds:
    LT:

    Do you think Merkley at 10OV would be the best chance at a draft home run?

    Yes.

  45. Richard S.S. says:

    How many Teams can really afford Tavares? Of those Teams, how many Teams would Tavares actually sign with? Remember, the Tavares numbers start at $10.0 Million per year.

  46. flyfish1168 says:

    jtblack: Is this PC? Franchise destroying to trade Drai for Barzal, Pulock & #12OV.

    Are you nuts?I would do that deal today, tomorroe and everyday thereafter.And I like Drai.

    But pieces in and dollars out. All Day!
    Again Drai straight up for Barzal is more realistic

    Buddy STOP the strong language. ( Are you nuts) There are people on both sides. I like Leon but not his CAP hit. If I can make a deal that we can win on and save the CAP I would do it too. If you follow some of the earlier posts here some wouldn’t trade Leon for Matthew. I can see Leon being more valuable at this point in time.

  47. digger50 says:

    The worst thing that can happen is Todd walks into the season with all his player biases firmly in place. And still puts the blame for his failed systems on the players.

    He states he was responsible for a lot of last season but what will he do to adapt and improve?

    If nothing we can expect same players in same roles.

    The best thing that can happen is assistant coaches may have different views and ideas, and Todd actually works with the.

  48. jtblack says:

    flyfish1168: Buddy STOP the strong language. ( Are you nuts) There are people on both sides. I like Leon but not his CAP hit. If I can make a deal that we can win on and save the CAP I would do it too.If you follow some of the earlier posts here some wouldn’t trade Leon for Matthew. I can see Leon being more valuable at this point in time.

    I am just saying. IMHO There is no GM who is trading their 85 point rookie who has 2 years remaining at $900k, plus a top 4 RHD & #12OV for Leon.

  49. who says:

    jtblack: SEE Toronto trade when they acquired Phil Kessel. Gave up a 1st rounder as part of the package. Have Toronto had an unexpectedly bad year, the puck became #2OV – Tyler Seguin

    I don’t think the situations are the same.
    1) Toronto didn’t have to trade for Kessel. Dorion has to let one of the picks go.
    2) Toronto was expecting to be a playoff team after the trade. Everyone knows Ottawa is going to be bad next year.
    It’s an excruciating decision for Dorion. And he has to make a choice.

  50. digger50 says:

    Death By Misadventure: So he’s in range. Thanks.

    I find this interesting as well. Jessie’s NHLE was low yet he was rated top three in the draft. Hindsight – he will be good, but should others have ranked higher on draft day? Wonder what Laines and Ahos conversion rate was?

    Jessie’s immaturity we can al see from afar. From inside the Org it must have oh so obvious and I still wonder why they didn’t send him Home his first year.

    He’s still developing into a fan favourite. Heard a story the other day when a group of players were out at the Pint and suddenly all jumped up to look for JP. Again. Where did he go, he doesn’t speak any English, and they hustled around the place to find him.

    He’s at the front door playing Buck Shot, smiling and greeting people as they walk in.

    He’s going to be a keeper.

  51. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Richard S.S.:
    How many Teams can really afford Tavares?Of those Teams, how many Teams would Tavares actually sign with?Remember, the Tavares numbers start at $10.0 Million per year.

    NYR, MTL, NJD, VGK, SJS, ARI, CAR, DAL, FLA, BUF, TOR all have ample room to give him $10MM

    It would be tight for DAL once they re-sign Seguin, but they could do it.

    How many of those does he sign with?

    No clue.

    My best guess is he’d look at NYR, NJD, MTL, TOR, VGK and SJS.

    Hell, he might even look at BUF now that they have Dahlin.

  52. jtblack says:

    who: I don’t think the situations are the same.
    1) Toronto didn’t have to trade forKessel. Dorion has to let one of the picks go.
    2) Toronto was expecting to be a playoff team after the trade. Everyone knows Ottawa is going to be bad next year.
    It’s an excruciating decision for Dorion. And he has to make a choice.

    I think the similarities are Toronto was expexting to be Good and so was Ottawa (when they made the deal).

    Very interesting to see how OTT does next seasoon.

  53. who says:

    Who was everyone impressed with at gold medal game? Saw some good things from Whalstrum and Kokiuniemi (sorry about the spelling).
    Would not be unhappy with Farabee at 10OV. Seems like a smart player with plenty of speed and skill.
    The player that impressed me the most is Karpuri? #10 for Finland. Great first step quickness and seems to have pull away speed. Created a lot of chances for himself. Any chance he is available at #40?
    Body Wilde was pretty much invisible. Maybe he drops into the second round.

  54. slopitch says:

    Oilers cap and depth situation doesn’t really allow them to move the 10 I don’t think (obviously there are deals you do given the opportunity but we don’t know what they are). I do think they should consider Lucic + 10 for a lesser pick but overall it’s simple, nail the picks.

  55. Richard S.S. says:

    How many #1 D are actually attainable? Very, very few are, but very expensive. Should the Oilers go after one? Absolutely yes, as many as they can afford.

  56. who says:

    jtblack: I think the similarities are Toronto was expexting to be Good and so was Ottawa (when they made the deal).

    Very interesting to see how OTT does next seasoon.

    Yeah it’s a fascinating situation
    If I’m Dorion, and IF I AM VERY SURE about my job security, I think I trade Karlsson for as much young talent as I can get. And then I give Colorado this year’s pick.

  57. jtblack says:

    Woodguy v2.0: NYR, MTL, NJD, VGK, SJS, ARI, CAR, DAL, FLA, BUF, TOR all have ample room to give him $10MM

    It would be tight for DAL once they re-sign Seguin, but they could do it.

    How many of those does he sign with?

    No clue.

    My best guess is he’d look at NYR, NJD, MTL, TOR, VGK and SJS.

    Hell, he might even look at BUF now that they have Dahlin.

    Interesting. I would also throw VAN in the mix.

    Johnny T’s next contract starts with a $12 is my guess

  58. leadfarmer says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Yeah but many of those teams are worse of than the islanders or their cap room doesn’t really exist. Florida and Carolina aren’t adding a 10 mil player. Toronto’s cap will be tied up in guys they have to sign in near future

  59. McSorley33 says:

    I like Craig Button more than most….and I get it is a mock and not his ranking but:

    No way an elite skating right shot defender falls to 10.

    Ludicrous

  60. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    jtblack: Interesting.I would also throw VAN in the mix.

    Johnny T’s next contract starts with a $12 is my guess

    Yup, forgot about VAN although I don’t think he goes to a team that low in the rebuild cycle.

    Hubub around the NHL beat guys is that SJS is the club house leader.

  61. Lowetide says:

    who:
    Who was everyone impressed with at gold medal game? Saw some good things from Whalstrum and Kokiuniemi (sorry about the spelling).
    Would not be unhappy with Farabee at 10OV. Seems like a smart player with plenty of speed and skill.
    The player that impressed me the most is Karpuri? #10 for Finland. Great first step quickness and seems to have pull away speed. Created a lot of chances for himself. Any chance he is available at #40?
    Body Wilde was pretty much invisible. Maybe he drops into the second round.

    Kotkaniemi was fabulous, really nice game. His pass on the GWG was gold. He can play with skill for sure. Kapuri also caught my eye, he’s a chance machine. I love Wahlstrom, man that guy.

  62. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Does anyone think PC has any interest in moving up for one of Dahlin or Svech because of how they project?

    It might be more likely they trade it for an established player like OEL.

  63. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    leadfarmer:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    Yeah but many of those teams are worse of than the islanders or their cap room doesn’t really exist.Florida and Carolina aren’t adding a 10 mil player. Toronto’s cap will be tied up in guys they have to sign in near future

    You’re right that Florida probably doesn’t add a player that expensive.

    CAR was bought by a billionaire so who knows what he’s capable of paying.

    ARI probably doesn’t do it as well, nor do I see him going there.

    The rest of the teams can afford it.

    I bet the new owners of NJD would *love* to make a splash like that.

    Tavares wouldn’t even have to move out of his house.

  64. Dustylegnd says:

    Woodguy v2.0: NYR, MTL, NJD, VGK, SJS, ARI, CAR, DAL, FLA, BUF, TOR all have ample room to give him $10MM

    It would be tight for DAL once they re-sign Seguin, but they could do it.

    How many of those does he sign with?

    No clue.

    My best guess is he’d look at NYR, NJD, MTL, TOR, VGK and SJS.

    Hell, he might even look at BUF now that they have Dahlin.

    Speaking of Vegas, and the potential signing of Tavares, imagine how much easier that signing would have been had they not traded for Tatar?

    Tatar has not been playing for Vegas in the playoffs, I am almost positive he is a healthy scratch, we have all heaped praise on McPhee for his genius construction of Vegas but here is the 1st crack in the foundation

    The cost of Tatar was a 1st, a second, a third and 3 more years at $5.3 mill

    Vegas was rolling just fine before they made this trade, he has produced very little since his arrival and is now scratched, amazing

    even with that $5.3 on the books they could still sign Johnny Taveres, amazing

    While I am on the topic, what the hell was Rutherford thinking when he gave up a 1st round pick for Ryan Reaves, only to flip him to Vegas in February for an obscure “prospect” Tobias Lindberg? ouch

    Even the best GM’s make head scratching moves, which makes me feel slightly less shitty about our current position

  65. Death By Misadventure says:

    digger50: He’s going to be a keeper.

    As a door greeter or a RW on the Edmonton Oilers? 🙂

  66. McSorley33 says:

    I joked about it a few weeks ago…..just firing the the assistants and
    bringing back both PC and Todd.

    Can someone in the organization at least screen PC’s calls from New York?

  67. Bruce McCurdy says:

    jtblack: I think the similarities are Toronto was expexting to be Good and so was Ottawa (when they made the deal).

    Very interesting to see how OTT does next seasoon.

    I still don’t undestand the deal. Turris PLUS FOUR ASSETS for Duchene. Assets including last year’s first, this or next year’s first, & a future third, this after Turris was coming off a way better season than Duchene who was whining & pouting & playing like shit in Colorado. I don’t understand the rationale for the deal even a tiny bit. Dorion should have been fired on the spot, instead he got a long term extension.

    What am I missing here? Someone please explain that Matt Duchene is secretly Connor McDvaid in drag or something. Otherwise this deal makes less than zero sense, an absolute fanchise killer.

  68. Alpine says:

    McSorley33:
    I like Craig Button more than most….and I get it is a mock and not his ranking but:

    No way an elite skating right shot defender falls to 10.

    Ludicrous

    Guys drop every year past where they’re projected to go. Boqvist has yet to prove himself against men, he’s slight of frame, and he has some concussion history. All reasons for teams to potentially opt for one of the other D on board if they even want to pick a D in the first place.

  69. Bos8 says:

    digger50:
    The worst thing that can happen is Todd walks into the season with all his player biases firmly in place. And still puts the blame for his failed systems on the players.

    He states he was responsible for a lot of last season but what will he do to adapt and improve?

    If nothing we can expect same players in same roles.

    The best thing that can happen is assistant coaches may have different views and ideas, and Todd actually works with the.

    That is puzzle. Is the “Mea Culpa” for true and can he adapt to the new world?

    The whole last season was a self destruct mode.
    He just kept making the same crappy decisions over and over.
    The PP, the PK.
    The two tier punishment system
    The Mcblender for every situation
    No in game response to other teams play

    Never gave the team a chance.

    This doesn’t fit..We’ll make it fit.

    Good luck, in his future endeavors

  70. digger50 says:

    Death By Misadventure: As a door greeter or a RW on the Edmonton Oilers?

    Kid cracks me up.

    Has a pattern of just up and doing his own thing, that’s going to be entertaining. Maybe Simpson can talk some seriousness into him. Hope not.

  71. Brantford Boy says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Does anyone think PC has any interest in moving up for one of Dahlin or Svech because of how they project?

    IMHO, I am 100% sure he is interested…

  72. Brantford Boy says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    Actually Kinger my dark humour was suggesting JP could play both wings simultaneously…

  73. Dustylegnd says:

    Bruce McCurdy: I still don’t undestand the deal. Turris PLUS FOUR ASSETS for Duchene. Assets including last year’s first, this or next year’s first, & a future third, this after Turris was coming off a way better season than Duchene who was whining & pouting & playing like shit in Colorado. I don’t understand the rationale for the deal even a tiny bit. Dorion should have been fired on the spot, instead he got a long term extension.

    What am I missing here? Someone please explain that Matt Duchene is secretly Connor McDvaid in drag or something. Otherwise this deal makes less than zero sense, an absolute fanchise killer.

    The definition of a franchise killing deal is when you are involved in a three team trade, the other two teams improve and your team gets a lot worse….good lord that deal is bad

    Like any good GM Dorion proceeded to defend his ineptitude by going on an angry rant about how his coach better do the things Dorion wants him to do or it is going to get ugly….the secret sauce for all successful teams no?

  74. Jethro Tull says:

    The word ‘elite’ is once again being used with impunity. I have seen exactly two truly elite skaters enter the NHL whilst living in Canada; Crosby and McDavid.

    I have seen plenty of very good skaters become elite, some it took as little as 2 or 3 games, others 2 or 3 seasons.

    But when entering the NHL, it is important to distinguish between elite at junior/other leagues and trying to angle off Pat Kane or Taylor Hall.

  75. speeds says:

    Woodguy v2.0: NYR, MTL, NJD, VGK, SJS, ARI, CAR, DAL, FLA, BUF, TOR all have ample room to give him $10MM

    It would be tight for DAL once they re-sign Seguin, but they could do it.

    How many of those does he sign with?

    No clue.

    My best guess is he’d look at NYR, NJD, MTL, TOR, VGK and SJS.

    Hell, he might even look at BUF now that they have Dahlin.

    And potentially more teams if you consider trades. Even EDM could probably find a way to make it work if they traded Draisaitl to a team courting Tavares, but Tavares wont sign with.

  76. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Dustylegnd,

    we have all heaped praise on McPhee for his genius construction of Vegas

    I haven’t.

    Agreed about Rutherford/Reeves. Bizzaro

  77. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    digger50:

    The best thing that can happen is assistant coaches may have different views and ideas, and Todd actually works with the.

    – Yup: if you look at the staff this year: would have been group-think, and many years together.

    – New voices, new approaches, and Todd I believe is smart enough to adapt (his under-23 team was a glorious thing).

    – Chia taking some of the blame, and also saying that Todd is a good coach, that also needs to get better: that’s what good organziations do: trust and verify, and set up for success, and adapt

    – While we don’t know who the other assistants are: Todd wants to suceed, the team wants to suceed, the new assissants will want to suceed. He has a great opportunity IMO

  78. Andy Dufresne says:

    Lowetide: Did you see the group who played with McDavid? Strome would have been a better choice than several who got the opportunity.

    Perhaps Chiarelli’s vision was to bring in an above average 3C in the right age cluster at a reasonable 3C price, and then played hinm a bit on the wing until he becme acclimatized to his new team/city/role? And then played him full time at 3C when he was ready to be a 3rd line driver.

    Result: Above average 3C, with above average scoring protential as a 3C, on a reasonable contract.

    Bonus Result: Allows the Coach to play RNH (Who is being paid a 1st line salary) to play on the first line with McDavid.

    Add Bonus Result: All three players may be in a position to Over-achieve in 2018-19. All are being put in a postion to succeed.

    Bonus Bonus: Team has 4 legitmate Centers in the top 9 which if any of the up and coming 4C candidates pans out would facilitate JJ possibly playing the wing.

  79. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Brantford Boy: IMHO, I am 100% sure he is interested…

    Oooo… I gots a possible trade with Montreal (if Svechnikov drops to 3rd) that will get equal likes as hates:

    To Oilers:

    – 2018 3rd Overall Draft Pick
    – one of Gallagher, Galchenyuk, Drouin, or Pacioretty

    To Montreal:

    – 2018 10th Overall Draft Pick
    – RNH

    Is Svechnikov worth giving up RNH?

  80. godot10 says:

    who: Yeah it’s a fascinating situation
    If I’m Dorion, and IF I AM VERY SURE about my job security, I think I trade Karlsson for as much young talent as I can get. And then I give Colorado this year’s pick.

    Exactly. Ottawa is out of the elite portion of this draft and into the very good. They will still get a very good player next year and will likely have a greater than 10% chance for Jack Hughes.

    I keep that optionality on Jack Hughes. One had to be #1-#3 to keep this years pick.

  81. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lowetide: Jesperi Kotkaniemi

    Nothing “official” but it seems Slep is heading to the KHL.

  82. OriginalPouzar says:

    GCW_69:
    Every time I look at the oilers cap situation I can’t see a way they can keep Kassian and get better where they need to. They need someone playing that role at about $1M less to help pay for those wingers McDavid and Leon need. If Kassian is on the roster in October, either they made a really dumb trade somewhere else, or there is still going to be winger problems.

    They could sign a couple cheap fourth liners, say Winnik at C and Matt Read at RW and Kass can get a real shot at 3RW?

    Kharia/Stome/Kassian – potential for a good third line (although there is risk in just taking two fourth line players and hope they can succeed on the third line).

  83. Rafa Nadal says:

    Would the Sabres consider #10 overall + something else for Ristolainen? Might cause issues for the expansion draft but would really shore up our right side.

  84. Lowetide says:

    For The Athletic: Jay Woodcroft to Bakersfield. How deep will be his roster?

    https://theathletic.com/331481/2018/04/29/lowetide-jay-woodcroft-in-bakersfield-an-opportunity-for-change/

  85. OriginalPouzar says:

    Spooky Lynx:
    I suspect the majority of you follow Edmonton Prospect Watch on Twitter (@EDProspectWatch) or YouTube, but for those who haven’t seen it yet he/she posted Cooper Marodys season highlights a few days ago. The kid has got skill in spades. I’m excited about his potential.

    https://youtu.be/LAkDNIbT-0M

    I watched three Michigan games after the trade and was very impressed with his range of skills and overall game. I was bit cautious as it was just NCAA and who knows if it would translate to pro, however, he had a fantastic stretch drive with the Condors.

    I would think that he’s destined to be a Condor next year, however, he’s someone to watch at camp.

  86. Bos8 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Nothing “official” but it seems Slep is heading to the KHL.

    Another TMac victim

    Pound the square peg to fit.

  87. Andy Dufresne says:

    Tarkus:
    I would be very surprised if the Oilers pass on Ty Smith at #10 if he’s still available, being a teammate of Yamamoto’s.Leftorium be hanged.

    Why would you be VERY surprised. (outside of LT’s list) Hes not on anyones top 10 list that Im aware of. (but I could be wrong)

    McKenzie, Button, Pronman, etc

    Not to be nitpicky but It woild make sense to me if you said disappointed…but not surprised.

  88. Andy Dufresne says:

    IMO

    I like Slepyshev. But he was given EVERY opportunity to succeed and he didnt make it happen.

    The guy was given multiple chances up and down the lineup and failed to stake a claim.

    I said earlier, he was going to either accept and commit to a “role” as a 4th line energy guy at close to league minimum, or take a contract in the KHL where he can play top six for sure and make more money. (Kassian is better offensivley than Sleppy and he accepted a 4th line role….although with bigger financial reward)

    It would come down to his desire to be and NHLer and compete for Stanley versus his desire to play a role as a skill player in his home country and make more money.

    He may not have been given the choice…..but if had been….that would be what “choice” looked like.

  89. Bos8 says:

    Slepyshev’s chances with the Oilers remind me of “Old Timer’s”.

    “Every day a new life, every day a new adventure”.

  90. Andy Dufresne says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – For Pool : it;s go time this year.If in draft +3, a 4rth overall pick isn’t able to play on a skill line, and have PP time, then its a problem.

    – Whether that’s a problem becasue they drafted the wrong guy, they didn’t develop him right, they didn’t coach him right, or the player isn’t right will be open for debate

    – But Pool has to play with skill next near and score goals.

    – Whether that’s with Strome or Drai or McD: it’s his time.The org and he know this

    Go time Yes.

    But it is a process. He couldnt handle top six minutes last year, which is no slight on him, it was his 19yr old season. He settled in nicely on the third line….which was fine/acceptable.

    He will start 2018-19 on the second or third line hopefully with more PP time (if he earns it). He has NEVER been a prolific scorer. If he turns into a second line RW who scores at a 20-20 rate in the near term, that is a WIN.

    Longer term, who knows? One year at a time is ok with me.

  91. Gerta Rauss says:

    Behind the scenes at the draft if anyone is interested

    https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/inside-happened-2018-nhl-draft-lottery-room/

  92. Bos8 says:

    OriginalPouzar: I watched three Michigan games after the trade and was very impressed with his range of skills and overall game. I was bit cautious as it was just NCAA and who knows if it would translate to pro, however, he had a fantastic stretch drive with the Condors.

    I would think that he’s destined to be a Condor next year, however, he’s someone to watch at camp.

    What did he look like in his own end?

  93. Andy Dufresne says:

    Lowetide,

    Merkley over Ty Smith?

    if we go by all the other lists….Ty Smith is a real possiblity at 10

  94. jtblack says:

    Bruce McCurdy: I still don’t undestand the deal. Turris PLUS FOUR ASSETS for Duchene. Assets including last year’s first, this or next year’s first, & a future third, this after Turris was coming off a way better season than Duchene who was whining & pouting & playing like shit in Colorado. I don’t understand the rationale for the deal even a tiny bit. Dorion should have been fired on the spot, instead he got a long term extension.

    What am I missing here? Someone please explain that Matt Duchene is secretly Connor McDvaid in drag or something. Otherwise this deal makes less than zero sense, an absolute fanchise killer.

    100% Bruce. Dorion is Melnyks “Yes man”. Same as Bergivin for the Molsons. Both GM’s have been terrible and both get encouragung words from their owners.

    Turris straight up for Duchene would have been Palatable …. dorion talked about Duxhene like he was McDavid, the game changing last piece of the Sens Cup puzzle. OR NOT

  95. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Andy Dufresne: Go time Yes.

    But it is a process. He couldnt handle top six minutes last year, which is no slight on him, it was his 19yr old season. He settled in nicely on the third line….which was fine/acceptable.

    He will start 2018-19 on the second or third line hopefully with more PP time (if he earns it). He has NEVER been a prolific scorer. If he turns into a second line RW who scores at a 20-20 rate in the near term, that is a WIN.

    Longer term, who knows? One year at a time is ok with me.

    – I agree. He has improved every year. He scored pretty good at evens last year

    – as long as he isn’t slotted in as the trigger man for mcd who needs to score 30 for the team to succeed then he should be able to progress

    – closer to 20 goals and getting more at bats higher up the food chain and continue to work on his 5-tools that’s a good proxy imo

    – and he he can’t do that in year 3 there are problems imo. But no reason to think he can’t make this step

  96. Andy Dufresne says:

    jtblack: I am just saying. IMHO There is no GM who is trading their 85 point rookie who has 2 years remaining at $900k, plus a top 4 RHD & #12OV for Leon.

    If you were Garth, would you do the deal for Matthews?

  97. jtblack says:

    Jethro Tull:
    The word ‘elite’ is once again being used with impunity. I have seen exactly two truly elite skaters enter the NHL whilst living in Canada; Crosby and McDavid.

    I have seen plenty of very good skaters become elite, some it took as little as 2 or 3 games, others 2 or 3 seasons.

    But when entering the NHL, it is important to distinguish between elite at junior/other leagues and trying to angle off Pat Kane or Taylor Hall.

    ” have seen plenty of very good skaters become elite, some it took as little as 2 or 3 games, ”

    Who wasn’t Elite on Draft Day, but became Elite after 3 games?

  98. jtblack says:

    Andy Dufresne: If you were Garth, would you do the deal for Matthews?

    Barzal, Pulock & 12OV for Matthews? Would have to consider it But I think Matthews is quite a bit better than Drai.

    We already know Matthews can oush the river as a #1C. Jury is still out on Drai as a #2C.

  99. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    IMO

    I like Slepyshev. But he was given EVERY opportunity to succeed and he didnt make it happen.

    The guy was given multiple chances up and down the lineup and failed to stake a claim.

    I said earlier, he was going to either accept and commit to a “role” as a 4th line energy guy at close to league minimum, or take a contract in the KHL where he can play top six for sure and make more money.

    It would come down to his desire to be and NHLer and compete for Stanley versus his desire to play a role as a skill player in his home country and make more money.

    He may not have been given the choice…..but if had been….that would be what “choice” looked like.

    Slepy’s 5v5 pts/60 with all his forward team mates that he played over 50 minutes with.

    Mark Letestu 2.91
    Milan Lucic 2.57
    Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 2.26
    Connor McDavid 1.97
    Zack Kassian 1.86
    Iiro Pakarinen 1.81
    Mike Cammalleri 1.49
    Ryan Strome 0.80
    Jujhar Khaira 0.62
    Drake Caggiula 0.00
    Jesse Puljujarvi 0.00
    Leon Draisaitl 0.00
    Patrick Maroon 0.00

    Here’s his TOI with those players:
    Mark Letestu 82.4
    Milan Lucic 93.4
    Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 79.7
    Connor McDavid 91.4
    Zack Kassian 96.7
    Iiro Pakarinen 66.2
    Mike Cammalleri 80.8
    Ryan Strome 150.4
    Jujhar Khaira 97.1
    Drake Caggiula 71.1
    Jesse Puljujarvi 60.2
    Leon Draisaitl 60.5
    Patrick Maroon 57.2

    Not producing with Drai, Strome or JP was probably the death of his time with EDM.

    Really good numbers with 97, 93, 27 and the 4th line though.

  100. sliderule says:

    Watched most of TSN u18
    Boqvist. Lots of offence almost played like a forward.Not much interest in defence
    Berggren best swede forward .Performance should get him picked late first round
    Wahlstrom best shooter by far but don’t expect much playmaking or defence
    Farabee has both offence and defence.Very good skater and kills penalties
    JK very smooth skater ,not sure how quick.,good size and killed penalties
    Ty Smith great skater but played nervous. A lot like kris Russell in junior
    Merkley showed more skill than Smith but what about off ice issues

  101. Andy Dufresne says:

    jtblack: Interesting.I would also throw VAN in the mix.

    Johnny T’s next contract starts with a $12 is my guess

    Its incredible isnt it. John Tavares from ages 28 to say 35 for $12 million a year.

    What kind of VALUE is McDavid at Age 22 to 29 at $12.5 million AVV

    Besides the personal services contract for Wayne Gretzky is this the best contract in NHL History?

    Edit: Sydney Crosby contract right up there too?

  102. Jethro Tull says:

    jtblack: ” have seen plenty of very good skaters become elite, some it took as little as 2 or 3 games, ”

    Who wasn’t Elite on Draft Day, but became Elite after 3 games?

    Read the post again. Answers on a postcard.

    It is impossible to say that many players have elite skating talent at an NHL level until they’ve played in the NHL, since every player or game they’ve played has been at a lower level.

    What you can say is that he is elite at the level he’s played at which trends very well into elite level against NHL opposition.

    I would say that Hall is a good example of only taking a few games to discover he could actually be an elite skater in the NHL.

  103. jtblack says:

    Andy Dufresne: Its incredible isnt it.John Tavares from ages 28 to say 35 for $12 million a year.

    What kind of VALUE is McDavid at Age 22 to 29 at $12.5 million AVV

    Besides the personal services contract for Wayne Gretzky is this the best contract in NHL History?

    IMHO Connor raised the bar League wide. Seguin Matthews Tavares etc etc … All vould be near or at $12 Mil per Karlsson and Doughty will be over $10 per

    Connors deal will look great in 3 years

  104. Andy Dufresne says:

    jtblack: IMHO Connor raised the bar League wide.Seguin Matthews Tavares etc etc …All vould be near or at $12 Mil perKarlsson and Doughty will be over $10 per

    Connors deal will look great in 3 years

    In a non cap world…..would McDavid be making $20million AVV?? $25million???

  105. SwedishPoster says:

    I don’t get the allure in using Khaira as a winger. Imo he’s pretty much the only Oiler forward outside of maybe Puljujärvi who’s got the capacity to become a high end defensive forward. I’d love that centering the 4th line and think it’s far more valuable than a bottom six winger with ok but limited offense and great boardwork which is what I think we are looking at. I say groom him for the 4C role, the fact he’s shown some offense and ability to keep play going in the good end is what could make him fantastic in the role.

  106. RonnieB says:

    I believe ( unless 1 of the top 9 ranked players drops ) that PC will be trading #10 for immediate help rather than draft someone who is 1 or more years away from the NHL.

    Svechnikov will be able to play for Carolina next season, leaving them with a wealth of wingers (and D) and not many spots in the NHL for them.

    How about #10 to Carolina for 1 of Zykov (LW), Foegele (LW), or McKeown (RD) plus Carolina’s 2nd round pick ? If the stories are correct about the new owner wanting the team to get tougher, maybe the deal could be expanded where we include 1 of Kassian or Caggiula and get 2 of those Carolina NHL-ready prospects.

  107. Pretendergast says:

    SwedishPoster,

    Agreed, Manny Malhotras have incredible value, make life easier for everyone else. If he can become half that player he’ll have a long career and much greater value than ‘checking winger’.

  108. Scungilli Slushy says:

    RonnieB:
    I believe ( unless 1 of the top 9 ranked players drops ) that PC will be trading #10 for immediate help rather than draft someone who is 1 or more years away from the NHL.

    Svechnikov will be able to play for Carolina next season, leaving them with a wealth of wingers (and D) and not many spots in the NHL for them.

    How about #10 to Carolina for 1 of Zykov (LW), Foegele (LW), or McKeown (RD) plus Carolina’s 2nd round pick ? If the stories are correct about the new owner wanting the team to get tougher, maybe the deal could be expanded where we include 1 of Kassian or Caggiula and get 2 of those Carolina NHL-ready prospects.

    A pick this high has to be taken in hope of finding an impact player or used to get a younger high level player.

    The players mentioned might not even be worth the second rounder.

    Maybe a package if they feel they are deep at wing and D but want a centre and immediate improvement and the Oilers covet Svechnikov and Dahlin.

    Or Nuge for the 2ov. The Canes need a centre, Nuge is a young affordable by comparison two way centre coming off a great year, Connor or Leon get the finisher they need. Helps both parties, more risk for the Oilers but worth it.

  109. YKOil says:

    Woodguy v2.0: You’re right that Florida probably doesn’t add a player that expensive.

    CAR was bought by a billionaire so who knows what he’s capable of paying. ARI probably doesn’t do it as well, nor do I see him going there.

    The rest of the teams can afford it. I bet the new owners of NJD would *love* to make a splash like that. Tavares wouldn’t even have to move out of his house.

    I see NJD as a front-runner. Very clean Cap sheet and Hall. Issue is defense (Greene is 35 and this will not end well for them), Hall having to have a Hart-level season to pull them in and, maybe, goaltending. Basically, ending when Hall’s deal ends, they will have a two year window starting now.

    Heh, I think I just talked myself out of Jersey.

    Going back to earlier commentary, I see BUF as a darkhorse. Team has craploads of Cap issues and overpriced contracts, a mess on defense and no goaltending worth salvaging but a core of Tavares, Eichel, Middlestadt and Dahlin is crazy good. If Pu and Guhle pan out BUF becomes a deep, well balanced team in short order.

    For BUF

    – in terms of Cap – Pominville is in his last year and Moulson is gone after this year too; Eichel is already fully priced and Tavares would be known as well.
    – O’Reilly becomes a tradeable asset and he doesn’t have a NMC/NTC, same can be said for Bogosian so good returns on these two could change the roster in a hurry

    So, for Tavares, BUF is a pretty good option. Fixing the goaltending issue matters but WAS will have to move one of Holtby or Grubauer so there ARE decent options out there.

    Heh, I have officially talked myself into BUF being one the best landing spots out there for Tavares.

    Screw Jersey.

  110. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Then trade Klef and Yama/JP for Buffalo’s pick, maybe toss in the 2nd, really shake things up.

  111. Confused says:

    Manny was FO superstar, JJ is below average.

    They will try to bring in a 4RC to give balance, take D FO, and anchor the PK.

  112. Confused says:

    If Boqvist has really gone down with a second concussion, he may drop.

    Smith, small LHD is unlikely.

    Many forwards will get pushes because they can contribute faster.

    Every team are looking for Cs, big pushes up the rankings ahead.

    If Pete is patience, one of the RHD will be available.

  113. YKOil says:

    Also, expanding on something from a prior thread.

    Who calls who first?

    Edmonton needs an impact winger and could use some salary space.

    Montreal needs a center and a LD for Weber.

    It could be argued that Nugent-Hopkins won’t raise the bar enough for Montreal but maybe Veleno and/or Kotkaniemi do the trick – problem is that the #3 is a step too far for those two.

    So what works for Montreal? Sekera and the #10 for the #3 and Schlemko?

    Yeah, they would probably want Klefbom. And that… makes it tough.

    Still, my real point is this, there are LOTS of workable scenario’s for an Edmonton/Montreal trade work, all the way up to a Drai trade, so it will be interesting to see if anything develops.

  114. sliderule says:

    For those like me who were hoping for Dobson ,Forget it.
    He is having a fine playoff.
    You may see him in M cup

  115. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Confused:
    Manny was FO superstar, JJ is below average.

    They will try to bring in a 4RC to give balance, take D FO, and anchor the PK.

    Manny’s FO% in the NHL by age (was 7th overall and went straight to the NHL)

    18 43.9
    19 44.7
    20 44.4
    21 48.8
    22 42.9
    23 47.0
    24 53.8
    25 61.5
    26 56.4
    27 55.1
    28 59.0
    29 58.0
    30 62.5
    31 61.7
    32 58.5
    33 65.3
    34 59.5
    35 59.3

    So he got pretty good in his 24 year old year, but didn’t become Manny F’ing Maholtra on the dot until his 25 year old year

    JJ NHL FO% by age:
    21 36.8
    22 45.4
    23 44.9

    He’s behind the pace, but he might be able to do something about it.

    Maybe he should call Manny?

  116. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bos8: Another TMac victim

    Pound the square peg to fit.

    Bah – Slepy simply didn’t do enough consistently to get passed tweener status.

    Yes, I know, Drake got more opportunities – Yes, I agree, it didn’t make sense but, at the end of the day, Slep never was able to run with his opportunities. You know who did? JJ Khaira – he forced the coach to play him more.

  117. pts2pndr says:

    Tarkus,

    How many left shot defensemen can you play on one team? The left side is covered now and for the forseeable future! Other Gm’s may not be mathematicians but I am sure they can count well enough to know when a team has an over abundance at one position. This will then lower the value for the player that gets moved out! Everyone talks balance so unless Ty Smith is a left shot Karlson, franchise defenseman, this choice IMO would be folly!

  118. OriginalPouzar says:

    jtblack: Barzal, Pulock & 12OV for Matthews?Would have to consider itBut I think Matthews is quite a bit better than Drai.

    We already know Matthews can oush the river as a #1C.Jury is still out on Drai as a #2C.

    Jury out as a 2C?

    Not in the least – Drai has solid 1C production without McDavid last year, when playing center (and often with middling linemates).

    He needs to shore up the defensive part of his 5 on 5 game, however, offensively, he’s already proven to be a 1C in the NHL.

  119. pts2pndr says:

    OriginalPouzar: Bah – Slepy simply didn’t do enough consistently to get passed tweener status.

    Yes, I know, Drake got more opportunities – Yes, I agree, it didn’t make sense but, at the end of the day, Slep never was able to run with his opportunities. You know who did?JJ Khaira – he forced the coach to play him more.

    Not completly the whole story! Khaira got his opportunity and ran with it after the trade of Letestu! Coach had no other viable option! Some of the coaches best changes were forced on him and not made before he had no choice. JP only after Yamamoto sent back to junior.

  120. Confused says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Bringing in Manny to coach FO would be great. We need something guaranteed for next year.

    Strome as the only RC FO option is too scary for me.

    Bob keeps pumping Ryan, but bringing back Brodziak might work?

    Any good ideas?

  121. slopitch says:

    If I’m Ottawa I think everything I do this summer depends on my ability to resign Karlsson. If Karlsson won’t resign then the play is to trade him now for a haul, give Colorado #4 and try for Jack Hughes. The draft would be the time to get max return on Karlsson. Would Colorado be the front runner for Karlsson? Maybe Barrie shakes loose?

    As an oilers fan I’m sure there are lots of scenarios we can think of tradewise. McDavid and Karlsson would be so fun. I’d make make calls but oilers cap situation is so tough. Maybe Mark Stone shakes loose? I dunno. Gonna be a fun summer.

  122. RonnieB says:

    Scungilli Slushy: A pick this high has to be taken in hope of finding an impact player or used to get a younger high level player.

    The players mentioned might not even be worth the second rounder.

    Maybe a package if they feel they are deep at wing and D but want a centre and immediate improvement and the Oilers covet Svechnikov and Dahlin.

    Or Nuge for the 2ov. The Canes need a centre, Nuge is a young affordable by comparison two way centre coming off a great year, Connor or Leon get the finisher they need. Helps both parties, more risk for the Oilers but worth it.

    I don’t disagree about making the pick. My hypothesis was that PC would trade the pick because he needs/wants more immediate help. I then posited a potential trade.

    I don’t think you are giving those Carolina prospects due credit.

    Zykov ( a right shot LW ) was drafted #37 overall by LA in 2013. In the AHL with Carolina in 2016/17 he scored 16G and 18A in 63 games; in 2017/18 AHL he scored 33G and 21A in 66 games, and also had 3G and 4A and was plus 4 in 10 games with Carolina. He is now RFA.

    Foegele (LW) was drafted #67 overall by Carolina in 2014. In the AHL in 2017/18 he had 28G and 18A in 73 games and also had 2G and 1A and was plus 3 in 2 games with Carolina. He has 2 years left on his ELC.

    McKeown (RHD) was drafted #50 overall by LA in 2014. In the AHL 2017/18 he had 7G and 16 A in 65 games. In 10 games with Caroina he had 3A and was plus 3. He has 1 year left on his ELC.

    They are all 22 years old.

  123. leadfarmer says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Well thats why I find Rangers and Devils very unlikely. Pretty ballsy move to decline signing with your team and go to their rival down the street. Might just be easier to move away.

  124. Scungilli Slushy says:

    RonnieB: I don’t disagree about making the pick. My hypothesis was that PC would trade the pick because he needs/wants more immediate help. I then posited a potential trade.

    I don’t think you are giving those Carolina prospects due credit.

    Zykov ( a right shot LW ) was drafted #37 overall by LA in 2013. In the AHL with Carolina in 2016/17 he scored 16G and 18A in 63 games; in 2017/18 AHL he scored 33G and 21A in 66 games, and also had 3G and 4A and was plus 4 in 10 games with Carolina. He is now RFA.

    Foegele (LW) was drafted #67 overall by Carolina in 2014. In the AHL in 2017/18 he had 28G and 18A in 73 games and also had 2G and 1A and was plus 3 in 2 games with Carolina. He has 2 years left on his ELC.

    McKeown (RHD) was drafted #50 overall by LA in 2014. In the AHL 2017/18 he had 7G and 16 A in 65 games. In 10 games with Caroina he had 3A and was plus 3. He has 1 year left on his ELC.

    They are all 22 years old.

    They all might be great prospects, but you don’t want to overpay for them. 1 PPG in the AHL at least for a player that can be a scorer in the NHL. I would have them, but at a 2nd at most for those numbers.

  125. Yeti says:

    OriginalPouzar: Jury out as a 2C?

    Not in the least – Drai has solid 1C production without McDavid last year, when playing center (and often with middling linemates).

    He needs to shore up the defensive part of his 5 on 5 game, however, offensively, he’s already proven to be a 1C in the NHL.

    That might be a little premature? Drai put up 1C numbers, but did so while McDavid drew all the heavy matchups from opposing coaches. Are you certain he’d have put up those kind of numbers if McD had been out of the lineup?
    (I’m convinced he will do, but perhaps he’s not entirely there yet).

  126. RonnieB says:

    Scungilli Slushy,

    My suggestion was #10 for one of those players plus Carolina’s 2nd. If you would prefer an unproven 18 year old kid that’s probably at least 2 or 3 years away from the NHL, i guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree.

  127. Scungilli Slushy says:

    RonnieB:
    Scungilli Slushy,

    My suggestion was #10 for one of those players plus Carolina’s 2nd. If you would prefer an unproven 18 year old kid that’s probably at least 2 or 3 years away from the NHL, i guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree.

    For me it’s more about upside. #10 has far more potential than these fellows, or they’d already be in the NHL ripping it up. like Barzal for example. You want to find impact players with the draft. Good but not top end players aren’t the hard ones to get. Drafting in the top half of the first round is where the majority of the best players come from. Not all, but most.

  128. who says:

    Scungilli Slushy: A pick this high has to be taken in hope of finding an impact player or used to get a younger high level player.

    The players mentioned might not even be worth the second rounder.

    Maybe a package if they feel they are deep at wing and D but want a centre and immediate improvement and the Oilers covet Svechnikov and Dahlin.

    Or Nuge for the 2ov. The Canes need a centre, Nuge is a young affordable by comparison two way centre coming off a great year, Connor or Leon get the finisher they need. Helps both parties, more risk for the Oilers but worth it.

    I don’t think Nuge has the cachet to garner the 2OV in this draft.
    Also why do people think Carolina are looking for a center? They have Stall and center is Aho’s natural position. Not sure Nuge is a big improvement on these 2.

  129. Confused says:

    Lots of variations on this, can see PC all over this with his old pal. Lots of people posting on this.
    Did not want to believe it but …

    If JT is unavailable and Carolina takes Zadina to play with Necas.

    Is Nuge gone?

    To MTL, Nuge, 10OV, they take Veleno. Two C’s including their local.
    To Edm 3OV + Galchenyjk + 2018R2

    Assumes Strome is long-term 3C.

    Painful but aggressive, everyone tells me PC is aggressive.

  130. who says:

    YKOil:
    Also, expanding on something from a prior thread.

    Who calls who first?

    Edmonton needs an impact winger and could use some salary space.

    Montreal needs a center and a LD for Weber.

    It could be argued that Nugent-Hopkins won’t raise the bar enough for Montreal but maybe Veleno and/or Kotkaniemi do the trick – problem is that the #3 is a step too far for those two.

    So what works for Montreal?Sekera and the #10 for the #3 and Schlemko?

    Yeah, they would probably want Klefbom.And that… makes it tough.

    Still, my real point is this, there are LOTS of workable scenario’s for an Edmonton/Montreal trade work, all the way up to a Drai trade, so it will be interesting to see if anything develops.

    Montreal is probably the best fit for an Oilers trading partner. They have an abundance of wingers and need a top 6 center and a top 4 lefty dman, the two positions the Oilers are deepest at.
    But I’m not sure the Oilers are willing to give up Klefbom or Nuge for a scoring winger. Nuge already looks like a scoring winger and Klefbom and his contract probably have more value than any Montreal winger.
    Maybe something like Klefbom and 10OV for Galchenyuk and 3OV. But Oilers would be taking a big risk that Sekera gets back to his 2016-2017 form. I’m also not convinced 3OV is that big an upgrade on 10OV.

  131. Harpers Hair says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Manny’s FO% in the NHL by age (was 7th overall and went straight to the NHL)

    1843.9
    1944.7
    2044.4
    2148.8
    2242.9
    2347.0
    2453.8
    2561.5
    2656.4
    2755.1
    2859.0
    2958.0
    3062.5
    3161.7
    3258.5
    3365.3
    3459.5
    3559.3

    So he got pretty good in his 24 year old year, but didn’t become Manny F’ing Maholtra on the dot until his 25 year old year

    JJ NHL FO% by age:
    2136.8
    2245.4
    2344.9

    He’s behind the pace, but he might be able to do something about it.

    Maybe he should call Manny?

    Don’t think Manny would take call. He’s an assistant with Canucks

  132. --hudson-- says:

    OriginalPouzar: Bah – Slepy simply didn’t do enough consistently to get passed tweener status.

    Yes, I know, Drake got more opportunities – Yes, I agree, it didn’t make sense but, at the end of the day, Slep never was able to run with his opportunities. You know who did?JJ Khaira – he forced the coach to play him more.

    It’s interesting to compare the points per game of Slepyshev and Khaira. Here’s their AHL numbers for the two years they played together, plus Aberg in Milwaukee.

    Age, Khaira, Slepy, Aberg
    21, 0.551 (49 GP), 0.429 (49 GP), DNP (Sweden)
    22, 0.741 (27 GP), 1.111 (9 GP), 0.493 (69 GP)
    23, NHL, NHL, 0.541 (74 GP)
    24, next season, next season, 1.500 (4 GP)

    Here’s their NHL numbers:
    Age, Khaira, Slepy, Aberg
    21, 0.133 (15 GP), 0.091 (11 GP)
    22, 0.100 (10 GP), 0.244 (41 GP)
    23, 0.304 (69 GP), 0.240 (50 GP), 0.133 (15 GP)
    24, next season, next season, 0.302 (53 GP)

    It doesn’t seem like there is much to choose between them, the numbers in Khaira’s favor may be variance, and not due to innate ability. I didn’t account for time on ice or injury so this is not a rigorous analysis.

    It is interesting that two players are part of the future, while the other is on their way out of town. Maybe it is solely due to Slepyshev’s contract options, hopefully he reconsiders the NHL with the money issues in Russia. Offensive isn’t everything, but if there’s still job opening on the Oilers for Aberg, I don’t see why Slepyshev can’t be an option for it.

  133. --hudson-- says:

    RonnieB: How about #10 to Carolina for 1 of Zykov (LW), Foegele (LW), or McKeown (RD) plus Carolina’s 2nd round pick ?

    I think something like this has great appeal, but the key is Chiarelli has to be right on the prospects, because if at least one of them doesn’t pan out, and the #10 pick becomes a player, then not only is he gone, he may never work in the NHL again.

    Looking at the Bruins past picks, this trade would be similar to trading #10 for Senyshyn, Zboril and the rights to Khokhlachev or something like that. Would you do that trade considering Keith Gretzky would have more familiarity with them?

  134. jfry says:

    Terrific article lt.

    No mention of hot kass contract? Or lucic? Very civil. 😉

  135. digger50 says:

    Bos8: That is puzzle. Is the “Mea Culpa” for true and can he adapt to the new world?

    The whole last season was a self destruct mode.
    He just kept making the same crappy decisions over and over.
    The PP, the PK.
    The two tier punishment system
    The Mcblender for every situation
    No in game response to other teams play

    Never gave the team a chance.

    This doesn’t fit..We’ll make it fit.

    Good luck, in his future endeavors

    Yes, if we get”that” Todd back then;

    Sleppy going to KHL is his best bet
    Yammer over Jessie
    Kassian trade cause Todd sees no value

    And you know what? We can’t afford this shit. Todd moving out guys he doesn’t care for. This is the first time in ages we have actually had NHL players. We are still bottom of the league. We can’t afford to just say “ship him out”
    We don’t have replacements!

    We need a coach that supports players mentally. Gets behind them. Let’s them know thier value.
    So Sleppy was meh? Okay, but why? All year we had guys underperforming – while other teams had average players that were over performing. Why? And why most of our team underperformed? There will be underlying causes.

    You can’t just throw them over the boards and say “you got your chance”. you have to work with these guys, support, encourage, build. They can’t have thier heads spinning with uncertainty, what’s my role, where do I fit. Fracking McBlender

  136. pts2pndr says:

    SwedishPoster:
    I don’t get the allure in using Khaira as a winger. Imo he’s pretty much the only Oiler forward outside of maybe Puljujärvi who’s got the capacity to become a high end defensive forward. I’d love that centering the 4th line and think it’s far more valuable than a bottom six winger with ok but limited offense and great boardwork which is what I think we are looking at. I say groom him for the 4C role, the fact he’s shown some offense and ability to keep play going in the good end is what could make him fantastic in the role.

    I always enjoy your posts and here is my rational,reference Khaira. We need the things that Khaira provides in the top six.He adds a dimension that we do not have which is toughness with speed and the composure and smarts to know when to protect his team mates without taking stupid penalties. As a larger body he needs more minutes to be at peak efficiency. In a perfect world and with the proper personel I agree he would be the perfect 4th line center. With the current needs higher up the lineup he is more valuable playing in the top six with some penalty killing thrown in.

  137. jtblack says:

    OriginalPouzar: Jury out as a 2C?

    Not in the least – Drai has solid 1C production without McDavid last year, when playing center (and often with middling linemates).

    He needs to shore up the defensive part of his 5 on 5 game, however, offensively, he’s already proven to be a 1C in the NHL.

    I disagree. Drai has decent #’s in the 2C hole. Bit that is wothout facing 1C defenseman and checking C. McDavid takes all the Heat. To say Drai is a proven #1 is a stretch.

    I like Drai I believe in Drai But for Edm to be a perrenial Cup Contender, Drai will need to raise his game.

  138. RonnieB says:

    –hudson–: I think something like this has great appeal, but the key is Chiarelli has to be right on the prospects, because if at least one of them doesn’t pan out, and the #10 pick becomes a player, then not only is he gone, he may never work in the NHL again.

    Looking at the Bruins past picks, this trade would be similar to trading #10 for Senyshyn, Zboril and the rights to Khokhlachev or something like that.Would you do that trade considering Keith Gretzky would have more familiarity with them?

    Certainly worth considering given Gretzky’s knowledge. I would observe:

    Zboril…Pro: track record fairly similar to McKeown; Con: he is LHD
    Senyshyn…Pro: he is RW; Con: track record is far short of both Zykov and Foegele
    Khokhlachev…Pro: great AHL record; Con: i don’t know why he returned to Russia 2 years ago; given Oilers’ track record with Russians ( Yakimov, Paigin, Slepyshev ) i’d be wary.

    I must say that i am very intrigued by Forsbacka-Karlsson though.

  139. OriginalPouzar says:

    pts2pndr: Not completly the whole story!Khaira got his opportunity and ran with it after the trade of Letestu! Coach had no other viable option! Some of the coaches best changes were forced on him and not made before he had no choice.JP only after Yamamoto sent back to junior.

    I don’t agree with this – Khaira had taken 3 steps forward and solidified himself as an every day player long before Letestu was traded. Yes, he got more responsibility (PK, center) after Letestu was traded but he had already ran with his opportunity (and passed by Slepy on the depth chart) well before the end of February.

  140. OriginalPouzar says:

    Confused:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    Bringing in Manny to coach FO would be great. We need something guaranteed for next year.

    Strome as the only RC FO option is too scary for me.

    Bob keeps pumping Ryan, but bringing back Brodziak might work?

    Any good ideas?

    Ryan would be fantastic but he just had a 38 point season and will, undoubtedly, price himself out of our cap structure as a 4C.

    Brodziak would be a nice (cheaper) option, as would Winnik.

  141. OriginalPouzar says:

    Yeti: That might be a little premature? Drai put up 1C numbers, but did so while McDavid drew all the heavy matchups from opposing coaches. Are you certain he’d have put up those kind of numbers if McD had been out of the lineup?
    (I’m convinced he will do, but perhaps he’s not entirely there yet).

    Valid point and, no, I’m not certain – at the same time, what if he had actual top 6 wingers instead of a rotation of Aberg, Caggulia, Strome, Cammy, etc.?

  142. jtblack says:

    OriginalPouzar: Valid point and, no, I’m not certain – at the same time, what if he had actual top 6 wingers instead of a rotation of Aberg, Caggulia, Strome, Cammy, etc.?

    the only bullet in your chamber is Drai’s wingers were sub par. Have to Agree. Still dont thinknhe is 1C. my hope is with renewed respect for the Game Drai comes back and wins the CF% & GF% as 2C

  143. Confused says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Winnik?

    He is a LW and poor at FO.

  144. OriginalPouzar says:

    jtblack: the only bullet in your chamber is Drai’s wingers were sub par.Have to Agree. Still dont thinknhe is 1C. my hope is with renewed respect for the Game Drai comes back and wins the CF% & GF% as 2C

    Who said that is my only bullet? It was my first retort.

    As an aside, the only bullet that h as been fired my way is that he didn’t have to face the top
    comp because McDavid did.

    How about I add the following:

    – missed time with a concussion early and clearly took a good month for him to feel normal on the ice

    – no far off a PPG pace and had nominal scoring on the PP – vast majority of his points were at evens (only 11 on the PP)

    – some fine numbers notwithstanding he clearly had an inconsistent year which isn’t’ that abnormal with young players.

  145. OriginalPouzar says:

    Confused:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Winnik?

    Heis a LW and poor at FO.

    This looks correct – who the heck am I thinking of?

  146. Yeti says:

    OriginalPouzar: Valid point and, no, I’m not certain – at the same time, what if he had actual top 6 wingers instead of a rotation of Aberg, Caggulia, Strome, Cammy, etc.?

    Then he’d be playing for a different team?

  147. Yeti says:

    jtblack: the only bullet in your chamber is Drai’s wingers were sub par.Have to Agree. Still dont thinknhe is 1C. my hope is with renewed respect for the Game Drai comes back and wins the CF% & GF% as 2C

    No bullets, just a man and a mythological beast sharing jokey comments about hockey.

  148. VOR says:

    Kyle Brodziak had 30 even strength points in 100 fewer minutes than it took Derek Ryan to get 31. Brodziak is 2 years older and probably at least a million dollars cheaper. Brodziak remains a decent faceoff man and penalty killer and still plays on some of the toughest ice in the NHL. If he will come back it seems like the smart move is Brodziak.

    Ryan will get a raise, Riley Nash will get a large raise. Bozak is out of the price range all together. Brodziak is likely to be cheap. If you want a veteran 4C that is right handed those are your free agent choices.

  149. SwedishPoster says:

    Now that the U18s are over all the euro leagues are done I thought I’d do my annual write up on this year’s crop of Swedish draftees. I write on the players I’ve seen at least some of, though in some cases the viewings are limited, I also rely a bit on intel from different hockey people I know and also check out different swedish writers to see if what I see matches what they see, I don’t Always agree but I usually do a double check to see if I’m missing something but these are my views and noone elses. I’m no pro scout. I don’t claim to be an expert. I just enjoy watching hockey and I love speculatiing on which prospects who’s got what it takes to be great, I’ve been trying to finetune my crystal ball for a bunch of years now.

    I tend to include players I like plus the guys slotted high on different draft lists so most reviews will be fairly positive. If someone isn’t on here it’s either because I don’t think he’s much of a prospect or I haven’t seen him enough.

    We’ll start with the D.

    As per usual the greatest talents out of Sweden are D. In fact I Think it’s safe to say the greatest talent in this draft is a Swedish D-man.

    I’m not going to go into detail regarding Rasmus Dahlin as I think his abilities are fairly well known. No Swedish D has ever been as far along at his age. Not even Hedman despite the fact Hedman was further along physically. Dahlin pretty much got Everything you need in a hockey player. Sure he needs to develop physically, he needs to sharpen his decision-making but he’s got every tool and the smartness to boot. Does that mean he’s a guarantee to be an elite D, or that he’ll be better than the rest of the Swedish D who were behind him at the same age? Ofcourse not. Guys like Lidström, Karlsson, Klingberg developed at a ridiculous pace post draft. There’s a lot of work to be done, he could probably step intp the top 4 of an NHL team right now but to move further there’s still ways to go, this is when the real work starts. But if I were to guess I think he’ll be in Norris contention within 3 years.

    Adam Boqvist; RHD.
    A skinny 5’11 almost 6-0 D-man with an extremely intriguing set of skills. Great skater in all directions, nice hands, vision and one of the best wristers in the draft. All the offensive Tools you can think of, can actually play pretty ok defense when he puts his mind into it but is still inconsistent. Also tries the difficult play a bit too often. But his main issue at this Point is strength, he’s a late birthday who’s still physically immature compared to most of his peers. This has had him struggling against men, but also makes it kind of difficult to properly rate his defense as he usually reads play well defensively but sometimes just can’t handle the opposing player. He wasn’t really terrible in the SHL and his short spell in Allsvenskan but it was quite obvious he had some growing to do. Should be a mainstay with the men’s team next year if he can build some strength during summer. Probably needs two years before he’s NHL ready physically but once that happens I think he pretty quickly will be an impact player. Too much skill not to imo though there is a slight risk he’s one of those kids who can’t get to that next level as a fully grown athlete, there’s some pressure on the org that picks him to make sure they find a good developement path and not rush him or lose patience if he struggles at some point. Boqvist is the type of player who needs to be confident to be successful and we’ve seen what some bad organizational decisions can do to confidence.

    Adam Ginning, LHD.
    Big, 6’3 almost 200 Pounds, defensive D who split the year between the SHL and the U20 team, had a slight edge in SHL games. Strong, great positioning for a kid his age, makes an ok first pass when he has the puck under control, pretty good straight line skating but lateral and backwards skating are weaknesses. Can shoot the puck but not a lot of natural offense. His puckhandling has to get better if he’s to get to the next level, struggles when the pace of the game goes up and his passing tends to go south. Against junior players he looks really good, his defensive smarts, his strength, he also has the time to move the puck up ice pretty well, even in the SHL he handles himself pretty well, he’ll have a long solid pro career as a defensive D that’s for sure. But I don’t see why a lot of people have him in the first round. To me he’s a kid who’s physically and mentally very mature for his age, kinda like Griffin Reinhart as a teenager, thus he can dominate against other junior players and look ok in the SHL, but I don’t see the upside I’d like to see in a first rounder or even a second rounder, imo he should be picked somwehre in the middle of the draft at the earliest. I don’t say stay away completely because the fact he’s already playing decent at the SHL level and his defensive smarts makes him an ok prospect, and if he works on his skating and puckhandling he could be a solid NHLer, but in the early rounds I think it’s a bad pick imo.

    Nils Lundkvist, RHD.
    Small for a D, he’s listed as 5’11, but looks shorter to me, could be an illusion because he’s pretty stocky. Strong for his size. I’ve seen him outmuscle far bigger guys. Has been rushing up a lot of draft lists over the course of the season. Surprised a lot of people when he played himself onto the men’s team and worked his way into an SHL regular. Last year he wasn’t even a mainstay on the U20 team, instead he spent the majority of the season with the U18 team but as he got phyiscally stronger he first moved up to the U20 and then took on the SHL. Lovely skater, moves the puck real well, not a dangler in any sense, his hands are a little choppy when he skates at top speed but when slowing down he’s got good puck control. Hasn’t shown a tonne of offensive flair in the SHL games I’ve seen and not really in juniors either, though his quick move up the ranks might mean there’s more offense than at first glance. Good defensive awareness and reads, nice stick and as mentioned surprisingly strong in puck battles. He’s been a hell of a story this year and I’ve seen him mentioned as a first rounder. I’d be somewhat concerned about what kind of NHLer he’d become to pick him that high, I can’t get a real grasp on his upside, he reminds me of the Swedish Sebastian Aho and when I squint and I’m in a good mood I see a poor mans Roman Josi but some days I just see a guy who’ll look great in europé but struggle at the NHL level. I’d gladly grab him mid second round. I think. A lot to like. Then again…

    Filip Johansson, RHD.
    6’1 D with great skating, solid puck moving and a well developed defensive game. Earlier this season I saw him as a pretty nice pick up in the 3rd-4th round, nice toolkit but a bit bland and lacking that extra gear. Then I saw him in the Allsvenskan playoffs and was blown away. He showed offensive smarts I hadn’t seen from him, a better shot than before, smarter puckmoving, more assertive and most of all he skated with his head up at all times constantly on a swivel. I thought wow this kid looks like a young, righty OEL. Then I saw him again at the U18s and he was good, the skating and puckmoving was there but he didn’t look like a star in the making like he did a few weeks before. His U20 numbers are pretty pedestrian but we’ve been fooled by Swedish U20 numbers for D before, he’s not likely to put up crazy offensive numbers but there’s more offense than suggested in those numbers imo. But who’s the real Filip Johansson, the pretty good prospect with a nice set of skills or the budding star of a few weeks before. Since I like the guys who are showing glimmers of greatness I’d swing for the fences, bet on the latter and say he’s first round quality wothout a doubt but running the risk of missing completely. I do think he’ll end up a very good player and that he has top pairing upside.

    Jacob Ragnarsson, LHD.
    The son of former Shark Marcus Ragnarsson has a really solid season in Allsvenskan behind him. 99 born, was almost eligible for last years draft so an older player for this draft. Smart, smart player, good mobility in all directions, great skater really, uses his big brain at both ends of the ice, despite lacking strength at the defensive end and not being super skilled at the offensive end. Though I’m not saying he lacks skills, he handles the puck well, is a good passer, his shot is okish but his main asset in the good end is his smartness and ability to find the right spots. Needs to get stronger, improve his physique in general and sharpen pretty much his whole skillset to be efficient at the NHL level but there’s an interesting player here. Could be a clever pick up later in the draft.

    Simon Johansson, RHD.
    Another kid with a dad who’s a former pro, in this case his dad, Thomas, was a star at the SHL level but never got to the NHL. Simon is eligible for the second time, he’s a june 99 birthday. He had a solid season et the U20 level last season but has taken a big step this year. A nice stat line with 16 goals and 36 Points in 43 games from the blue line tells us there’s some offense. His dad was known for his big shot and Simon’s got a blast as well, real nice shot. Good passer, ok skater though not all that nimble. Pretty solid defensivley to boot. Pretty good size as well, 6’2, needs to add muscle but has a nice frame. Has gotten a taste in the SHL and has managed to score a goal in his 8 games with Little ice time. On a lesser team than Djurgården he’d probably gotten more chances as he didn’t look out of place but the competition was tough(William Lagesson for example), Another kid with a prett good chance to contribute at the NHL level who’ll likely be available in later rounds.

    Axel Andersson, RHD
    I’ll add Simon’s teammate in Djurgården as well. A Little smaller, around 6’0, but a better skater than his teammate. Sees the ice well, creative with the puck, knows when to pick his spots offensively and is pretty smart in the D zone. Wasn’t as noticeable as his teammate above when I watched their team play so while I’ve seen him a few times I haven’t really zoomed in on him thus my viewings are somewhat shallow. People who’s seen them more often are higher on Axel than on Simon, he’s aobviously a year younger as well. Though I always worry when a player won’t grab my attention at that level.

    That’s it for the D, there are a few other guys who are somewhat interesting(for example 6’6 William Worge Kreu who’s not only a giant but posses a giants name, really raw player but there’s some real talent there not just size) and ofc Rasmus Sandin in the CHL but I’ll move on to the forwards now.

    Jacob Olofsson, LC
    The 6’2 center had a great year in allsvenskan, by no means a speedster but moves ok, needs to improve his first few steps but changes directions well and has ok top speed once going. Playmaking C but can finish as well, has that ability to just control shifts, more smart than overly creative, makes the right play but not necessarily the genius one. Great puckhandling. Good defensively as well, even when playing against men, pretty complete player tbh. Shot his team to the SHL with the deciding goal in the Allsvenskan playoffs. Will get picked in the first round, very good bet to become a good NHL C down the line but needs to get quicker and more dynamic to be a #1/2C imo. Looked faster at the end of the year than he did at the start so that’s a good sign.

    Filip Hållander, W(LHS)
    Played for Timrå alongside Olofsson. Is seen as the lesser player of the two by most but I’m not so sure. He’s got good hands, real nice vision and a quick, maybe not hard but well placed shot. He plays the game at a high pace, really powerful acceleration when he gets his legs going, has some work to do on agility. Not afraid of the tough areas. Plays both ways, aggressive on the puck. Can sometimes mishandle the puck. Started the year really well but slowed down later in the season, missed the U18s due to a knee injury, not sure if that is something that contributed to his weaker finish. He’s a different player than Olofsson but I’m not certain he’s the lesser of the two, his fast-paced style and great awareness probably translates better to the bigs even though Olofsson has a wider set of skills.

    Isac Lundeström, C(LHS)
    Lundeström is an interesting case. He’s played in the SHL this year, did well, even got a look on the NT at the end of the year, ok numbers considering age 15 pts in 42 games. Is good at most aspects of the game, good skater with great edgework, really good balance, playmaking ability, ok to good shot, nice hands that can produce highlight reel goals, does his job defensively. He was the second youngest player to ever debute in the SHL a few years ago. Yet the hype around him is kind of lukewarm. His offensive upside is questioned. I don’t quite get it tbh. He’s a surefire NHLer. He hasn’t put up big numbers but he’s also constantly been playing above his age group, above his weight class, in the SHL he’s been drawing fairly tough assignments from early on, no soft scoring spots really, and he’s been on a team that struggled with scoring. There’s more offense to him than the numbers say imo, he has the skills for it.
    Having said that, I think it will take some patience to find that high end offense, as mentioned he’s constantly been playing above his weight class so he never had the chance to develop his offense fully because his overall game was so strong he was moved up all the time. He could probably step into the NHL today and not make a fool of himself, but you risk him not finding his offensive range and instead you end up with a solid bottom sixer with unfulfilled potential. The smart move imo is to slowplay him, let him find his range offensively, be a #1C in the SHL and bring him over when he’s around PPG over a full season. If developed correctly he could end up being one of those kids who everyone puts way higher than he was originally picked in a redraft.

    Jonatan Berggren, W/C(LHS)
    At the start of the year I had him as my late round genius pick everyone slept on that I could rub in everyone’s face saying I told you so later on and if he failed it’d be forgotten anyways since he was a late round pick.
    Since then he’s built his own hype steadily, won the U20 scoring race and with his U18 performance he’s starting to pop up in first rounds everywhere. He was a good player already in october, I’ve kept pretty close tabs on Skellefteå where he plays due to it also being Filip Berglunds club, but something clicked around new years because the last few months he’s on a tear. He’s always played with great speed, intensity, skill but he’s added an extra gear, he’s got great vision and smarts, quick feet, quick hands, quick mind Being a smaller winger from Skellefteå who plays with speed and intensity it’s natural that he’s being compared to Nashville’s Viktor Arvidsson but Berggren is more of a playmaker while Arvy is a shooter, tbh if I’m to compare Berggren to a current NHLer I’d say Matthew Barzal is a better match. A lot will have to break right for him to reach that level but Berggren is a great prospect in his own right. His name also means “mountain twig” which is awesome in itself.

    Albin Eriksson, W(RHS)
    This 6’4 kid has been Berggren’s linemate most of the year. Scoring 22 goals, 40 pts in 38 U20 games. Like Berggren he’s gotten better over the season. There are questions regarding how much of his production is benefitting from playing with Berggren but Eriksson is a good prospect as well. He’s big and strong, a real powerful skater with good top speed, pretty slick hands, great shot, he’s a shoot first player who prefers playing his off wing, but can make plays and is fairly creative with the puck. When he started training with the men’s team one of the vets compared him to Patrik Laine “but bigger”, it’s an unfair comparison ofc but there are some similarities in style. He’s a July birthday who started playing in a small town called Bollnäs famous for bandy, the game Pulju used to play in his youth, they barely have a hockey team in town so Eriksson came from very humble beginnings when he arrived in Skellefteå a few years ago. There’s raw talent in this player that could make him one hell of a scorer when fully developed. The main thing to work on for him is quickness, he needs to speed up his first steps, his decisions,, his hands. If he does Watch out.He’s dressed for 17 SHL games but gotten minimal ice time, some games 0 seconds, but when he’s played he hasn’t looked out of place. 1 assist to show for it. He didn’t make the Swedish U18 team but imo that has more to do with their usual stupid roster decisions than his play. The positive is that it might make him available for a mid round steal.

    Linus Karlsson, C(LHS)
    The best Swedish 2018 draftee that absolutely noone talks about? I’d say this guy. 99 born, november. Playing for Karlskrona, a small team that got relegated from the SHL after three seasons in the league, they are a minor player in sedish hockey and them getting to the shl and sticking for 3 years was a bit of a sensation. Their youth system is not as developed as the big dogs and they are a small team in the U20 league as well. Despite this the above mentioned Karlsson scored 27 goals(league leading) and 52 pts in 42 games. He’s got skill, vision and finishing ability in spades. He came to Karlskrona this season, before that he played in the Swedish 4th tier for an even smaller club, he took a pretty big step up the system yet came out swinging. He played his first games for the Swedish U19 team and scored 6 Points in 4 games. He needs to improve his skating and he’s behind physically due to playing at a lower level until recently but he’s got pure talent. Hopefully he can harness that talent. Will be intersting to see where he’s picked, real boom/bust pick.

    Ok, I have to get going soon, took longer than I thought this, there’s bunch of other players I’ll write a bit about later but these guys plus Dominik Bokk are the most interesting out of sweden imo.

    I don’t have time to proof read so bear with me.

  150. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Ryan would be fantastic but he just had a 38 point season and will, undoubtedly, price himself out of our cap structure as a 4C.

    Brodziak would be a nice (cheaper) option, as would Winnik.

    He’s still not famous. Should come in under $1.5 I think.

    Given his age and lack of career earnings I bet term would mean more than a 1 year deal.

  151. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Harpers Hair: Don’t think Manny would take call. He’s an assistant with Canucks

    I didn’t know that.

    Good for him.

  152. OriginalPouzar says:

    Woodguy v2.0: He’s still not famous.Should come in under $1.5 I think.

    Given his age and lack of career earnings I bet term would mean more than a 1 year deal.

    You could be right but I don’t imagine he comes in that cheap – I add $1M to that in my prediction (with term).

    Could be wrong.

  153. digger50 says:

    SwedishPoster,

    This is brilliant info and a great read. I hope LT can link this somehow so we don’t lose it.

  154. VOR says:

    SwedishPoster:
    Now that the U18s are over all the euro leagues are done I thought I’d do my annual write up on this year’s crop of Swedish draftees. I write on the players I’ve seen at least some of, though in some cases the viewings are limited, I also rely a bit on intel from different hockey people I know and also check out different swedish writers to see if what I see matches what they see, I don’t Always agree but I usually do a double check to see if I’m missing something but these are my views and noone elses. I’m no pro scout. I don’t claim to be an expert. I just enjoy watching hockey and I love speculatiing on which prospects who’s got what it takes to be great, I’ve been trying to finetune my crystal ball for a bunch of years now.

    I tend to include players I like plus the guys slotted high on different draft lists so most reviews will be fairly positive. If someoneisn’t on here it’s either because I don’t think he’s much of a prospect or I haven’t seen him enough.

    We’ll start with the D.

    As per usual the greatest talents out of Sweden are D. In fact I Think it’s safe to say the greatest talent in this draft is a Swedish D-man.

    I’m not going to go into detail regarding Rasmus Dahlin as I think his abilities are fairly well known. No Swedish D has ever been as far along at his age. Not even Hedman despite the fact Hedman was further along physically. Dahlin pretty much got Everything you need in a hockey player. Sure he needs to develop physically, he needs to sharpen his decision-making but he’s got every tool and the smartness to boot. Does that mean he’s a guarantee to be an elite D, or that he’ll be better than the rest of the Swedish D who were behind him at the same age? Ofcourse not. Guys like Lidström, Karlsson, Klingberg developed at a ridiculous pace post draft. There’s a lot of work to be done, he could probably step intp the top 4 of an NHL team right now but to move further there’s still ways to go, this is when the real work starts. But if I were to guess I think he’ll be in Norris contention within 3 years.

    Adam Boqvist; RHD.
    A skinny 5’11 almost 6-0 D-man with an extremely intriguing set of skills. Great skater in all directions, nice hands, vision and one of the best wristers in the draft. All the offensive Tools you can think of, can actually play pretty ok defense when he puts his mind into it but is still inconsistent. Also tries the difficult play a bit too often. But his main issue at this Point is strength, he’s a late birthday who’s still physically immature compared to most of his peers. This has had him struggling against men, but also makes it kind of difficult to properly rate his defense as he usually reads play well defensively but sometimes just can’t handle the opposing player. He wasn’t really terrible in the SHL and his short spell in Allsvenskan but it was quite obvious he had some growing to do. Should be a mainstay with the men’s team next year if he can build some strength during summer. Probably needs two years before he’s NHL ready physically but once that happens I think he pretty quickly will be an impact player. Too much skill not to imo though there is a slight risk he’s one of those kids who can’t get to that next level as a fully grown athlete, there’s some pressure on the org that picks him to make sure they find a good developement path and not rush him or lose patience if he struggles at some point. Boqvist is the type of player who needs to be confident to be successful and we’ve seen what some bad organizational decisions can do to confidence.

    Adam Ginning, LHD.
    Big, 6’3almost 200 Pounds, defensive D who split the year between the SHL and the U20 team, had a slight edge in SHL games. Strong, great positioning for a kid his age, makes an ok first pass when he has the puck under control, pretty good straight line skating but lateral and backwards skating are weaknesses. Can shoot the puck but not a lot of natural offense. His puckhandling has to get better if he’s to get to the next level, struggles when the pace of the game goes up and his passing tends to go south. Against junior players he looks really good, his defensive smarts, his strength, he also has the time to move the puck up ice pretty well, even in the SHL he handles himself pretty well, he’ll have a long solid pro career as a defensive D that’s for sure. But I don’t see why a lot of people have him in the first round. To me he’s a kid who’s physically and mentally very mature for his age, kinda like Griffin Reinhart as a teenager, thus he can dominate against other junior players and look ok in the SHL, but I don’t see the upside I’d like to see in a first rounder or even a second rounder, imo he should be picked somwehre in the middle of the draft at the earliest. I don’t say stay away completely because the fact he’s already playing decent at the SHL level and his defensive smarts makes him an ok prospect, and if he works on his skating and puckhandling he could be a solid NHLer, but in the early rounds I think it’s a bad pick imo.

    Nils Lundkvist, RHD.
    Small for a D, he’s listed as 5’11, but looks shorter to me, could be an illusion because he’s pretty stocky. Strong for his size. I’ve seen him outmuscle far bigger guys. Has been rushing up a lot of draft lists over the course of the season. Surprised a lot of people when he played himself onto the men’s team and worked his way into an SHL regular. Last year he wasn’t even a mainstay on the U20 team, instead he spent the majority of the season with the U18 team but as he got phyiscally stronger he first moved up to the U20 and then took on the SHL. Lovely skater, moves the puck real well, not a dangler in any sense, his hands are a little choppy when he skates at top speed but when slowing down he’s got good puck control. Hasn’t shown a tonne of offensive flair in the SHL games I’ve seen and not really in juniors either, though his quick move up the ranks might mean there’s more offense than at first glance. Good defensive awareness and reads, nice stick and as mentioned surprisingly strong in puck battles. He’s been a hell of a story this year and I’ve seen him mentioned as a first rounder. I’d be somewhat concerned about what kind of NHLer he’d become to pick him that high, I can’t get a real grasp on his upside, he reminds me of the Swedish Sebastian Aho and when I squint and I’m in a good mood I see a poor mans Roman Josi but some days I just see a guy who’ll look great in europé but struggle at the NHL level. I’d gladly grab him mid second round. I think. A lot to like. Then again…

    Filip Johansson, RHD.
    6’1 D with great skating, solid puck moving and a well developed defensive game. Earlier this season I saw him as a pretty nice pick up in the 3rd-4th round, nice toolkit but a bit bland and lacking that extra gear. Then I saw him in the Allsvenskan playoffs and was blown away. He showed offensive smarts I hadn’t seen from him, a better shot than before, smarter puckmoving, more assertive and most of all he skated with his head up at all times constantly on a swivel. I thought wow this kid looks like a young, righty OEL. Then I saw him again at the U18s and he was good, the skating and puckmoving was there but he didn’t look like a star in the making like he did a few weeks before. His U20 numbers are pretty pedestrian but we’ve been fooled by Swedish U20 numbers for D before, he’s not likely to put up crazy offensive numbers but there’s more offense than suggested in those numbers imo. But who’s the real Filip Johansson, the pretty good prospect with a nice set of skills or the budding star of a few weeks before. Since I like the guys who are showing glimmers of greatness I’d swing for the fences, bet on the latter and say he’s first round quality wothout a doubt but running the risk of missing completely. I do think he’ll end up a very good player and that he has top pairing upside.

    Jacob Ragnarsson, LHD.
    The son of former Shark Marcus Ragnarsson has a really solid season in Allsvenskan behind him. 99 born, was almost eligible for last years draft so an older player for this draft. Smart, smart player, good mobility in all directions, great skater really, uses his big brain at both ends of the ice, despite lacking strength at the defensive end and not being super skilled at the offensive end. Though I’m not saying he lacks skills, he handles the puck well, is a good passer, his shot is okish but his main asset in the good end is his smartness and ability to find the right spots. Needs to get stronger, improve his physique in general and sharpen pretty much his whole skillset to be efficient at the NHL level but there’s an interesting player here. Could be a clever pick up later in the draft.

    Simon Johansson, RHD.
    Another kid with a dad who’s a former pro, in this case his dad, Thomas, was a star at the SHL level but never got to the NHL. Simon is eligible for the second time, he’s a june 99 birthday. He had a solid season et the U20 level last season but has taken a bigstep this year. A nice stat line with 16 goals and 36 Points in 43 games from the blue line tells us there’s some offense. His dad was known for his big shot and Simon’s got a blast as well, real nice shot. Good passer, ok skater though not all that nimble. Pretty solid defensivley to boot. Pretty good size as well, 6’2, needs to add muscle but has a nice frame. Has gotten a taste in the SHL and has managed to score a goal in his 8 games with Little ice time. On a lesser team than Djurgården he’d probably gotten more chances as he didn’t look out of place but the competition was tough(William Lagesson for example), Another kid with a prett good chance to contribute at the NHL level who’ll likely be available in later rounds.

    Axel Andersson, RHD
    I’ll add Simon’s teammate in Djurgården as well. A Little smaller, around 6’0, but a better skater than his teammate. Sees the ice well, creative with the puck, knows when to pick his spots offensively and is pretty smart in the D zone. Wasn’t as noticeable as his teammate above when I watched their team play so while I’ve seen him a few times I haven’t really zoomed in on him thus my viewings are somewhat shallow. People who’s seen them more often are higher on Axel than on Simon, he’s aobviously a year younger as well. Though I always worry when a player won’t grab my attention at that level.

    That’s it for the D, there are a few other guys who are somewhat interesting(for example 6’6 William Worge Kreu who’s not only a giant but posses a giants name, really raw player but there’s some real talent there not just size)and ofc Rasmus Sandin in the CHL but I’ll move on to the forwards now.

    Jacob Olofsson, LC
    The 6’2 center had a great year in allsvenskan, by no means a speedster but moves ok, needs to improve his first few steps but changes directions well and has ok top speed once going. Playmaking C but can finish as well, has that ability to just control shifts, more smart than overly creative, makes the right play but not necessarily the genius one. Great puckhandling. Good defensively as well, even when playing against men, pretty complete player tbh. Shot his team to the SHL with the deciding goal in the Allsvenskan playoffs. Will get picked in the first round, very good bet to become a good NHL C down the line but needs to get quicker and more dynamic to be a #1/2C imo. Looked faster at the end of the year than he did at the start so that’s a good sign.

    Filip Hållander, W(LHS)
    Played for Timrå alongside Olofsson. Is seen as the lesser player of the two by most but I’m not so sure. He’s got good hands, real nice vision and a quick, maybe not hard but well placed shot. He plays the game at a high pace, really powerful acceleration when he gets his legs going, has some work to do on agility. Not afraid of the tough areas. Plays both ways, aggressive on the puck. Can sometimes mishandle the puck. Started the year really well but slowed down later in the season, missed the U18s due to a knee injury, not sure if that is something that contributed to his weaker finish. He’s a different player than Olofsson but I’m not certain he’s the lesser of the two, his fast-paced style and great awareness probably translates better to the bigs even though Olofsson has a wider set of skills.

    Isac Lundeström, C(LHS)
    Lundeström is an interesting case. He’s played in the SHL this year, did well, even got a look on the NT at the end of the year, ok numbers considering age 15 pts in 42 games. Is good at most aspects of the game, good skater with great edgework, really good balance, playmaking ability, ok to good shot, nice hands that can produce highlight reel goals, does his job defensively. He was the second youngest player to ever debute in the SHL a few years ago. Yet the hype around him is kind of lukewarm. His offensive upside is questioned. I don’t quite get it tbh. He’s a surefire NHLer. He hasn’t put up big numbers but he’s also constantly been playing above his age group, above his weight class, in the SHL he’s been drawing fairly tough assignments from early on, no soft scoring spots really, and he’s been on a team that struggled with scoring. There’s more offense to him than the numbers say imo, he has the skills for it.
    Having said that, I think it will take some patience to find that high end offense, as mentioned he’s constantly been playing above his weight class so he never had the chance to develop his offense fully because his overall game was so strong he was moved up all the time. He could probably step into the NHL today and not make a fool of himself, but you risk him not finding his offensive range and instead you end up with a solid bottom sixer with unfulfilled potential. The smart move imo is to slowplay him, let him find his range offensively, be a #1C in the SHL and bring him over when he’s around PPG over a full season. If developed correctly he could end up being one of those kids who everyone puts way higher than he was originally picked in a redraft.

    Jonatan Berggren, W/C(LHS)
    At the start of the year I had him as my late round genius pick everyone slept on that I could rub in everyone’s face saying I told you so later on and if he failed it’d be forgotten anyways since he was a late round pick.
    Since then he’s built his own hype steadily, won the U20 scoring race and with his U18 performance he’s starting to pop up in first rounds everywhere. He was a good player already in october, I’ve kept pretty close tabs on Skellefteå where he plays due to it also being Filip Berglunds club, but something clicked around new years because the last few months he’s on a tear. He’s always played with great speed, intensity, skill but he’s added an extra gear, he’s got great vision and smarts, quick feet, quick hands, quick mind Being a smaller winger from Skellefteå who plays with speed and intensity it’s natural that he’s being compared to Nashville’s Viktor Arvidsson but Berggren is more of a playmaker while Arvy is a shooter, tbh if I’m to compare Berggren to a current NHLer I’d say Matthew Barzal is a better match. A lot will have to break right for him to reach that level but Berggren is a great prospect in his own right. His name also means “mountain twig” which is awesome in itself.

    Albin Eriksson, W(RHS)
    This 6’4 kid has been Berggren’s linemate most of the year. Scoring 22 goals, 40 pts in 38 U20 games. Like Berggren he’s gotten better over the season. There are questions regarding how much of his production is benefitting from playing with Berggren but Eriksson is a good prospect as well. He’s big and strong, a real powerful skater with good top speed, pretty slick hands, great shot, he’s a shoot first player who prefers playing his off wing, but can make plays and is fairly creative with the puck. When he started training with the men’s team one of the vets compared him to Patrik Laine “but bigger”, it’s an unfair comparison ofc but there are some similarities in style. He’s a July birthday who started playing in a small town called Bollnäs famous for bandy, the game Pulju used to play in his youth, they barely have a hockey team in town so Eriksson came from very humble beginnings when he arrived in Skellefteå a few years ago. There’s raw talent in this player that could make him one hell of a scorer when fully developed. The main thing to work on for him is quickness, he needs to speed up his first steps, his decisions,, his hands. If he does Watch out.He’s dressed for 17 SHL games but gotten minimal ice time, some games 0 seconds, but when he’s played he hasn’t looked out of place. 1 assist to show for it. He didn’t make the Swedish U18 team but imo that has more to do with their usual stupid roster decisions than his play. The positive is that it might make him available for a mid round steal.

    Linus Karlsson, C(LHS)
    The best Swedish 2018 draftee that absolutely noone talks about? I’d say this guy. 99 born, november. Playing for Karlskrona, a small team that got relegated from the SHL after three seasons in the league, they are a minor player in sedish hockey and them getting to the shl and sticking for 3 years was a bit of a sensation. Their youth system is not as developed as the big dogs and they are a small team in the U20 league as well. Despite this the above mentioned Karlsson scored 27 goals(league leading) and 52 pts in 42 games. He’s got skill, vision and finishing ability in spades. He came to Karlskrona this season, before that he played in the Swedish 4th tier for an even smaller club, he took a pretty big step up the system yet came out swinging. He played his first games for the Swedish U19 team and scored 6 Points in 4 games. He needs to improve his skating and he’s behind physically due to playing at a lower level until recently but he’s got pure talent. Hopefully he can harness that talent. Will be intersting to see where he’s picked, real boom/bust pick.

    Ok, I have to get going soon, took longer than I thought this, there’s bunch of other players I’ll write a bit about later but these guys plus Dominik Bokk are the most interesting out of sweden imo.

    I don’t have time to proof read so bear with me.

    Thanks for doing this. Your perspective is utterly fascinating and very informative.

  155. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    SwedishPoster,

    You are full of awesomeness SP.

    Thanks for this!

  156. Yeti says:

    SwedishPoster,

    I love you!

  157. geowal says:

    Lt: I suggest posting a link to SPs comment above (that’s a thing right?) in tomorrow’s writeup, it’s too good to be missed by any who don’t hit the Sunday evening comments. In fact if you were so inclined you could do that periodically, sort of a “best of” comments. Just a fun suggestion. Sort of like when you use Blue bullets guest draft writeup.

  158. Santa says:

    Anyone notice Erik Gustafsson made the Tre Kronor for the World Championships this summer.? How do the Oilers lose these guys?

  159. Tarkus says:

    Andy Dufresne: Why would you be VERY surprised. (outside of LT’s list) Hes not on anyones top 10 list that Im aware of. (but I could be wrong)

    McKenzie, Button, Pronman, etc

    Not to be nitpicky but It woild make sense to me if you said disappointed…but not surprised.

    Well, Smith ticks a few boxes for the Oilers:

    – He’s a teammate of current Oilers property (in this case, Yamamoto). There’s precedent for this sort of move with Gambardella (teammate of Evan Campbell) and Dudek (teammate of Graham McPhee and Rasanen). Other teams do this too: I remember the Habs a couple years ago when they drafted Noah Juulsen out of Everett, from where the Habs had already seen one of their previous 1st-rounders, Nikita Scherbak.

    – He can run a PP. No D-man on the current NHL roster can do that (mind you, there’s a certain #97 who ‘s also capable). Klefbom comes closest, but even then, he seems to be more of a triggerman than a guy to properly run the PP. And since Klefbom is likely to be the next D-man out the door anyway, there’s an opportunity for Smith to eventually fill that role.

    – Being a Good Alberta Boy, he will remind Chiarelli and the Oilers braintrust of a young Kris Russell, who can do no wrong in the eyes of the Oilers exec / media.

  160. Lowetide says:

    geowal:
    Lt: I suggest posting a link to SPs comment above(that’s a thing right?) in tomorrow’s writeup, it’s too good to be missed by any who don’t hit the Sunday evening comments. In fact if you were so inclined you could do that periodically, sort of a “best of” comments. Just a fun suggestion. Sort of like when you use Blue bullets guest draft writeup.

    Good idea. I’ll post it maybe tomorrow night. Thanks Swedish Poster!

  161. anduril says:

    Why is nobody talking about bringing back the white jerseys?

  162. OriginalPouzar says:

    Should be interesting if we hear anything on the Koskinen front today as I believe April 30 is the day the KHL contracts expire so he is free to sign in the NHL.

    I am fine acquiring this goalie to compete for the back-up spot at camp for this up and coming season however the rumored contract is, obviously, concerning as, he is far from a guarantee to succeed in the NHL and as an Oiler and his contract needs to be materially buryable in the minors – maybe no entirely but I can’t be on board with his cap hit being north of $1.5M.

    There is speculation that the 2 X $2.5M was “his ask” and not the agreed to contract – hope that is right.

  163. Lowetide says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Should be interesting if we hear anything on the Koskinen front today as I believe April 30 is the day the KHL contracts expire so he is free to sign in the NHL.

    I am fine acquiring this goalie to compete for the back-up spot at camp for this up and coming season however the rumored contract is, obviously, concerning as, he is far from a guarantee to succeed in the NHL and as an Oiler and his contract needs to be materially buryable in the minors – maybe no entirely but I can’t be on board with his cap hit being north of $1.5M.

    There is speculation that the 2 X $2.5M was “his ask” and not the agreed to contract – hope that is right.

    I imagine we’ll hear about Slepyshev and Koskinen today or tomorrow.

  164. sliderule says:

    SwedishPoster,

    That is great stuff

    When I started watching u18 I had never heard of Berggren but after i saw all the plays he was making I had to look up who this #17 was.The first I read said that he was a small speedy gritty forward.As he wasn’t playing small I then went to iff site and they had him at 5-11 and 183 lbs which isn’t small especially for a prospect with a July birthday.I know I am probably getting carried away but I thought he was making more plays than even Hughes.

    There are a number of teams that will rue passing on this player

    Thanks for putting in words what my eyes saw.

  165. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lowetide: I imagine we’ll hear about Slepyshev and Koskinen today or tomorrow.

    Here is hoping the contract is within the realm of reasonableness – there are established NHL goalies, former starters, that could be signed for the rumored amount.

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