Keep Your Eyes on the Road, Your Hands Upon the Wheel

When Peter Chiarelli and Todd McLellan arrived, my main concern was the two men would be slow to recognize Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and his subtle brilliance. Four summers later and the Nuge is still standing, with the general manager singing his praises and the coach moving him on to the No. 1 line. Seven years after his first NHL game, RNH is an overnight sensation.

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THE NUGE

There was probably some luck involved (Hall had more value, no doubt) but Ryan Nugent-Hopkins is still an Oiler and that’s alright by me. In his final weeks of the season, Nuge played with Connor McDavid and the results were handsome. He was riding shotgun with 97 for 203 5×5 minutes, scoring 4-6-10 (2.95 5-on-5 per 60 scoring). Extrapolate that over an entire season (Patrick Maroon had 732 glorious 5×5 minutes with McDavid in 2016-17) and Nugent-Hopkins might deliver 35+ points on the top line at 5×5.

TOP 10 2018: STRATEGY OR TRAGEDY

I’ve been thinking about the 2018 draft this week and what might be available to Edmonton at No. 10 overall. We know Buffalo will take Rasmus Dahlin and Andrei Svechnikov will go to Carolina. Numbers three through five picks belong to Montreal, Ottawa and Arizona, and it’s reasonable to assume Filip Zadina, Brady Tkachuk and one of Quinn Hughes or Evan Bouchard go at those spots.

No. 6 overall is Detroit and I can see them grabbing Oliver Wahlstrom. Let’s say Hughes goes inside the top 5 overall, that might mean Vancouver grabs Evan Bouchard at No. 7 overall. Chicago offers a challenge, I’ll suggest Jesperi Kotkaniemi goes there. The Rangers often draft out of order, but I do think Noah Dobson fits there. That would mean Ty Smith, Joel Farabee and Adam Boqvist will be on the board when it comes time for Edmonton to choose. I’d be fine with any of the three, how about you?

PERSSON TO PERSSON

The scouting report on him is interesting and he plays in a fine league. Persson being a right shot, we immediately wonder if he can slot in on the depth chart behind Matt Benning and before Ethan Bear. Can he play second pairing in the NHL next season? Hold on, now. Let’s take this one step at a time.

  • Erik Piri, Elite Prospects: Persson is an offensive defenseman with a great shot from the point. With high-end puck skills and vision, he excels on the power play. Not a speedster, but owns decent mobility and can walk the blueline very well. On the downside, he is smallish and not much of a force in his own end. Source

NHLE, PROSPECTS DEFENSE ’17-18

He finished No. 2 in SHL scoring (defensemen) 2017-18, and he played just 17:06. He had 94 shots on goal, four of his six goals came on the power play and Persson’s goal differential at evens (34-17) is quality. His SHL player page is here.

I would caution you on two counts: This is not yet confirmed (although Rishaug is a most credible source) and there’s no guarantee Todd McLellan will trust him defensively. He does look like a substantial offensive option from the blue. The Vaxjo Lakers had a strong season (Elias Pettersson led the way offensively) and Persson was a big part of it. This is an encouraging piece of news.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, TSN1260. We’re on the air with a quality group and lots to discuss. Scheduled to appear:

  • Bruce McCurdy, Cult of Hockey. We’ll chat about Andrej Sekera, Clare Drake and the World Hockey Championships.
  • Perry Stothart, Classic Landscapes. The Classic Landscapes Saturday show is back! We’ll talk about the show and what we’ll hear this year, and about what we can be doing in our backyards already.
  • Julian Edlow Draft Kings. We’ll chat about the NBA playoffs and fantasy basketball.
  • Theo Fleury. I had a chance to talk to Mr. Fleury yesterday and we’ll play the interview today. He’ll be in Edmonton May 25 to talk about hockey and his life after hockey.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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128 Responses to "Keep Your Eyes on the Road, Your Hands Upon the Wheel"

  1. LadiesloveSmid says:

    SwedishPoster said a while back that Persson was only just promoted to the SHL last season and is still pretty raw (I mean he only played 17 mins/game) Hopefully gets half a season in Bako first at least.

  2. jtblack says:

    “and Nugent-Hopkins might deliver 35+ points on the top line at even strength.”

    RNH had 36 ES points last yr. which ranked 113th in the League.
    I am guessing a full year on 97’s wing and we would be hoping for 45 – 60 ES points.

    Connor had 84 last year.

  3. Lowetide says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    SwedishPoster said a while back that Persson was only just promoted to the SHL last season and is still pretty raw (I mean he only played 17 mins/game) Hopefully gets half a season in Bako first at least.

    I’d say he is 4RD if signed, just ahead of Bear and likely in Bakersfield for much of the season. The 7d job probably goes to a player not yet signed, or Stanton/Gryba.

  4. N64 says:

    Hands up whoever had him as Persson of interesst.

  5. Lowetide says:

    jtblack:
    “and Nugent-Hopkins might deliver 35+ points on the top line at even strength.”

    RNH had 36 ES points last yr. which ranked 113th in the League.
    I am guessing a full year on 97’s wing and we would be hoping for 45 – 60 ES points.

    Connor had 84 last year.

    Shoud read ‘5×5 points’. Nuge had 28 a year ago.

  6. trencan says:

    I think there is biger chance Kotkaniemi will be available at 10 than Boqvist. I would love to see Boqvist as an Oiler but its more likely it will be between Kotkaniemi, Smith, Veleno and Farabee. I prefer Defenseman.

  7. Pink Socks says:

    I hope it is a good move, however I’m afraid Persson may be a poor man’s Philip Larsen. Not really moving the needle, but it sure doesn’t hurt to have more options in the system. PC continues to impress on the signings and trades not falling into the blockbuster category. As long as he refrains from another summer debacle I will be pleased.

  8. dustrock says:

    The Persson story is incredible, reminds me a bit of Vardy on Leicester.

    From HFB:

    Joel Persson is a guy who went straight from the Swedish 3rd tier league to the SHL where he was one of the best D’s in the league last season. That step is huge, a year ago he had a full time job outside of hockey. The only player I can recall doing something similar is Fabian Brunnström. That guy later scored a hattrick in his first NHL game but things went downhill from there.

    I would say Persson is a two way defenseman but it’s the offensive skill that really stands out. He’s a very creative player with good hands. His skating is not elite but it’s good enough and he is a big threat on the offensive blue line. I think he’s the most talented free agent from the SHL.

    He needs to bulk up over the summer and become stronger though. This is probably his first summer of training like a professional and you can tell that he is behind most SHL players in that area. I think proper training could take his game to another level but it might take a while so don’t expect him over for next season.

    LaGu:
    Best D on the best team in SHL.

    I will agree with some in here that his career these last years has been remarkable to say the least. First season in the SHL after playing in Sweden’s 4th division just three years ago and in the 3rd division last year.

    This year, as an SHL rookie:
    – nominated to best SHL rookie award with Dahlin and Pettersson
    – nominated to best SHL defenseman award with Hogstrom and Pilut
    – nominated to MVP in the CHL (champion hockey league, Europe wide tournament) with 4 other players from other teams in Europe
    – led Vaxjo in scoring in the CHL with 11 pts in 13 GP, ahead of Elias Pettersson

    He didn’t just take the step up to the SHL and survived, he stepped up and was right away a force. I also have not seen very much of him to be honest, but looking at his career path I think this is a great signing in that he has already defied all the odds before. Let’s see if he can do it again, I for one wouldn’t bet against it.

    Someone will likely respond better than I can but from all accounts I have read (not seen) he is a good skater, not an excellent one.

    I’d also like to add what someone brought up a bit before, this guy was working a full-time job as teacher’s assistant until last year, playing hockey on the side. I would expect that this meant/means that he has not really been able to train hockey full time until this season which to me indicates that there is a possibility for major improvement in several areas. That is my guess though, we’ll see how things work out.

  9. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    N64:
    Hands up whoever had him as Persson of interesst.

    Well done

  10. Pink Socks says:

    trencan:
    I think there is biger chance Kotkaniemi will be available at 10 than Boqvist. I would love to seeBoqvist as an Oiler but its more likely it will be between Kotkaniemi, Smith, Veleno and Farabee. I prefer Defenseman.

    I agree. One of Kotkaniemi or Boqvist will be available at 10. If it’s Boqvist, then another draft gift has been delivered to the Oil. I’d be perfectly happy with either player though.

  11. jtblack says:

    Lowetide: Shoud read ‘5×5 points’. Nuge had 28 a year ago.

    Just for clarification, I was in QUANT.

    IE: MCDAVID. 108 points. 84 @ 5×5. 20 PP. 4 SH.
    RNH 48 points. 36 @ 5×5. 9 PP. 3 SH.

    So lets double check so we are all on same page.

  12. dustrock says:

    How does it work with roster number limits and the 7,000 goalies we currently have in the system?

    Does this start to affect signings like Persson?

  13. jtblack says:

    BOQVIST is one of the youngest players in the draft and one with an enormous upside.

    He was once a lock to be in the Top 5. i feel he has slid like Chycrun in 2016 and Barzal in 2015.

    If hes there at #10, we snag him!

  14. Andy Dufresne says:

    “The Vaxjo Lakers had a strong season (Elias Pettersson led the way offensively) and Persson was a big part of it. This is an encouraging piece of news.”

    If you are an optimist (in terms of hoping the Oilers stand pat) , this signing would reduce the probability that the Oilers are “trading” for an offensive RHD.

    If you are a pessimist the signing could be unrelated to next years NHL roster. Meaning a trade for a RHD is still in the works/mix. It could also mean Benning is being packaged in a deal that brings someone like Faulk. RHD Larsson, Faulk, Persson.

    My guess would be it means we are standing pat on defense, Hoping for a healthier defense and signiificant improvement from Sekera and especially Klefbom.

  15. Pink Socks says:

    dustrock,

    Awesome, thank you

  16. Pink Socks says:

    jtblack:
    BOQVIST is one of the youngest players in the draft and one with an enormous upside.

    He was once a lock to be in the Top 5. i feel he has slid like Chycrun in 2016 and Barzal in 2015.

    If hes there at #10, we snag him!

    If BOQVIST slides, my draft day drinking will be from celebration.

  17. Pink Socks says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    “The Vaxjo Lakers had a strong season (Elias Pettersson led the way offensively) and Persson was a big part of it. This is an encouraging piece of news.”

    If you are an optimist (in terms of hoping the Oilers stand pat) , this signing would reduce the probability that the Oilers are “trading” for an offensive RHD.

    If you are a pessimist the signing could be unrelated to next years NHL roster. Meaning a trade for a RHD is still in the works/mix. It could also mean Benning is being packaged in a deal that brings someone like Faulk.RHD Larsson, Faulk, Persson.

    My guess would be it means we are standing pat on defense, Hoping for a healthier defense and signiificant improvement from Sekera and especially Klefbom.

    Woof. If we are going into 2018-19 with one good defender on the right side we are praying for the Jack Hughes lottery balls next April. Faulk would be a major step backwards for this organization, not to mention the cost paid for him would likely not be palatable.

  18. JimmyV1965 says:

    I think this might be a great time to pick up Faulk on the cheap. Two years ago it would have cost us Hall to get Faulk. I find it very unlikely that the cost would now be the 10OV. I have yet to read a positive report on Faulk this offseason and that includes the Canes Country blog. No one is happy with this guy right now. Not the fans, not mngt or any outside observers that I’ve read. I doubt the new mngt is holding out for 10OV. Yet prior to last year he scored 15+ goals three years in a row. What if the cost is Kassian and a second or third round pick?

  19. Pink Socks says:

    JimmyV1965:
    I think this might be a great time to pick up Faulk on the cheap. Two years ago it would have cost us Hall to get Faulk.I find it very unlikely that the cost would now be the 10OV. I have yet to read a positive report on Faulk this offseason and that includes the Canes Country blog. No one is happy with this guy right now. Not the fans, not mngt or any outside observers that I’ve read. I doubt the new mngt is holding out for 10OV. Yet prior to last year he scored 15+ goals three years in a row. What if the cost is Kassian and a second or third round pick?

    I’d keep the picks and move someone like Kassian or Caggiula 1 for 1, but man that is a huge risk to depend on him as a top 4 D considering his trajectory over the past 3 seasons.

    edit: I’d prefer Kassian in the 1RW role, so Caggiula or one of the D prospects for him, other than that I’d pass entirely

  20. Andy Dufresne says:

    I wonder how Joel Persson’s stats pack in the Swedish Elite League compare to Johann Auvitu’s stats in the Finland SM-liiga ??

    Edit: worth noting, Joel Persson just turned 24, Auvitu is about to turn 29 in July

  21. Andy Dufresne says:

    Pink Socks,

    To keep things in perspective:

    From Ian Tulloch who is a hockey contributor for The Athletic Toronto whose main focus is bridging the gap between the eye test and analytics. He’s the creator and host of The Leafs Geeks Podcast, appears regularly on Sportsnet 590.

    “To pry away Barrie or Faulk, the Leafs would probably have to give up something most fans wouldn’t want them to lose (ie. Marner, Nylander, Kadri, or Liljegren). In theory, they could offer Carolina a package that includes Kapanen, Brown, the 25th overall pick, and whichever goaltender they value more between Sparks or McElhinney, but I’m not sure if that gets it done.

    When it comes to Severson, I could see him being traded for a mid-round pick as a cap dump. This is purely speculation, but considering he’s been a healthy scratch on multiple occasions this year, it feels like there’s a pretty large gap between how much Severson is valued by the Devils and how much he’s being paid. When that happens, you typically see the player bought out or traded (sometimes at negative value).”

    Pink Socks and JimmyV1965 perhaps Severson would be a better target given the ask for Faulk may still be higher than what you are willing to pay?

  22. bendelson says:

    Apropos of nothing in particular, outside of the occasional earworm…

    Saw it written and I saw it say
    Pink Socks is on his way
    And none of you stand so tall
    Pink Socks gonna get ye all
    It’s Pink Socks.

    Yes, Pink Socks.
    Pink, pink, pink, pink… Pink Socks.
    Pink, pink, pink, pink… Pink Socks.

  23. who says:

    I like the Persson signing and I don’t know a thing about the player. He may be a total failure but these are the kind of calculated risks Chia has got to make. He is basically adding a cheap potential asset at no acquisition cost. It’s like getting another draft pick.
    We all know that the Oilers don’t have the cap room to sign a Carlson or a Van Reimsdyk. But what a lot of posters fail to realize is we don’t have the assets to acquire proven NHL talent either.
    The cost to acquire a legit 2RD would be a significant asset going the other way. Basically you are robbing Peter to pay Paul, and Peter (the Oilers in this case) ain’t that rich.
    The Oilers #1 priority right now should be to grow their list of assets as quickly as possible. Without giving up any! You want the asset base large enough that you have actual NHL caliber players in the minors. That’s when you can make trades to fill specific needs such as 2RD.
    The Oilers are at least 2 years away from this point. In fact I don’t think we have 23 actual NHL players on the roster right now.

  24. RexLibris says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Good write up on Perrson here: https://theathletic.com/284062/2018/03/22/senators-could-find-value-in-these-free-agent-swedish-gems/

    Pretty glowing report.

    I’m likely just being skeptical, but this has an “Anton Belov” feel to it. It isn’t a criticism of the player but deep reservations over how this organization perceives him as a solution to certain problems.

    If he’s meant to replace Auvitu, then the discussion becomes whether McLellan will dress him.

    If he’s meant to be their RD PP quarterback, then they are likely setting the bar too high and inviting failure.

    3rd pairing, 2nd unit PP would be the best bet if he’s to be in the NHL.

    Ideal would be to have him in Bakersfield for at least half a season, though I’d be surprised if he signed here if NHL play wasn’t a condition.

  25. Wonder Llama says:

    bendelson:
    Apropos of nothing in particular, outside of the occasional earworm…

    Saw it written and I saw it say
    Pink Socks is on his way
    And none of you stand so tall
    Pink Socks gonna get ye all
    It’s Pink Socks.

    Yes, Pink Socks.
    Pink, pink, pink, pink… Pink Socks.
    Pink, pink, pink, pink… Pink Socks.

    I am wearing my Nick Drake T-shirt this morning as I read this. Creepy.

  26. Alpine says:

    I can honestly see Bouchard dropping to our spot at 10. I’ve seen some really good defensemen drop before (Fowler, Doug Hamilton, Chychrun), and while none of them had as much offense in their draft year as Bouchard, all were better skaters and/or were projected as better defensively.

    Boqvist might drop too. Someone might think he’s Karlsson Jr., but some will look at his concussion history and so far, lack of noticeable offense in both Swedish mens’ leagues.

    Dobson and hell, even Smith might go early. Both appear to be slightly safer picks than Boqvist and some team will definitely like that. Vancouver will have likely seen Smith a lot, but Benning has went with a Swede before.

  27. John Chambers says:

    who,

    Great post.

    The “fire Chiarelli” crowd routinely forget that the Oilers lineup had about 10 NHL players when Chiarelli inherited it.

    And as someone mentioned above, this probably means no big game hunting for a RD powerplay specialist.

    Now if he could just divest the payroll of Milan Lucic ….

  28. John Chambers says:

    Alpine,

    Vancouver probably goes with a right-shot defenseman as they’ve drafted well at Centre and expended a high pick on LD Juolevi.

    Maybe Tkachuk if he falls to them.

  29. Professor Q says:

    Alpine,

    I would argue that Bouchard is a better skater now than Chychrun was at the same time.

    I will continue to harp on the skating misconception regarding Bouchard. It seems a lot of prospects gain one narrative or the other, no matter how incorrect, and it sticks even when shown to be otherwise.

  30. Professor Q says:

    dustrock:
    How does it work with roster number limits and the 7,000 goalies we currently have in the system?

    Does this start to affect signings like Persson?

    I think the ones young enough and in Junior or International leagues are exempt from the true count even if signed?

  31. JimmyV1965 says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Pink Socks,

    To keep things in perspective:

    From Ian Tulloch who is a hockey contributor for The Athletic Toronto whose main focus is bridging the gap between the eye test and analytics. He’s the creator and host of The Leafs Geeks Podcast, appears regularly on Sportsnet 590.

    “To pry away Barrie or Faulk, the Leafs would probably have to give up something most fans wouldn’t want them to lose (ie. Marner, Nylander, Kadri, or Liljegren). In theory, they could offer Carolina a package that includes Kapanen, Brown, the 25th overall pick, and whichever goaltender they value more between Sparks or McElhinney, but I’m not sure if that gets it done.

    When it comes to Severson, I could see him being traded for a mid-round pick as a cap dump. This is purely speculation, but considering he’s been a healthy scratch on multiple occasions this year, it feels like there’s a pretty large gap between how much Severson is valued by the Devils and how much he’s being paid. When that happens, you typically see the player bought out or traded (sometimes at negative value).”

    Pink Socks and JimmyV1965perhaps Severson would be a better target given the ask for Faulk may still be higher than what you are willing to pay?

    I’m actually in the WG and OP camp. I don’t want a puck moving RHD. I would prefer a not so sexy guy that can plsy good defence on the second pair. The PP will be fine without a PP QB.

    I would have interest in Severson, the but he’s got five more years at $4.1 mill and he’s looking like a tweener right now. Faulk is intriguing. Last year Faulk would have been much more expensive to acquire than Barrie. One year later, Barrie will be much more expensive than Faulk. To be clear, I’m not spending the 100V on Faulk.

    But you’re not buying low on players coming off good seasons. For all his warts on defence, Faulk can score. He’s been one of the best dmen goal scorers in the league. That has value.

    IMO giving up Kassian and a second or third round pick represents a good, calculated risk. If it’s the 10OV, no thanks. The narrative on Faulk is so negative right now I just can’t see them holding out for a big price. I literally haven’t read anything that is positive about Faulk right now.

  32. Jaxon says:

    jtblack: Just for clarification, I was in QUANT.

    IE:MCDAVID.108 points.84 @ 5×5. 20 PP. 4 SH. RNH 48 points.36 @ 5×5. 9 PP.3SH.

    So lets double check so we are all on same page.

    I think I see the disconnect. QUANT doesn’t list 5×5, they only list ES, which includes 4×4 and 3×3 and would therefore be higher.

  33. Oilman99 says:

    dustrock:
    How does it work with roster number limits and the 7,000 goalies we currently have in the system?

    Does this start to affect signings like Persson?

    Forget about defence, we’ll just put out three goalies,that should plug up the goal pretty good.

  34. OilSafety says:

    Great post. I agree whole heartedly, basically a free prospect with a skill set that is an area of need for us who isnt 18 years old.

    who:
    I like the Persson signing and I don’t know a thing about the player. He may be a total failure but these are the kind of calculated risks Chia has got to make. He is basically adding a cheap potential asset at no acquisition cost. It’s like getting another draft pick.
    We all know that the Oilers don’t have the cap room to sign a Carlson or a Van Reimsdyk. But what a lot of posters fail to realize is we don’t have the assets to acquire proven NHL talent either.
    The cost to acquire a legit 2RD would be a significant asset going the other way. Basically you are robbing Peter to pay Paul, and Peter (the Oilers in this case) ain’t that rich.
    The Oilers #1 priority right now should be to grow their list of assets as quickly as possible. Without giving up any! You wantthe asset base large enough that you have actual NHL caliber players in the minors. That’s when you can make trades to fill specific needs such as 2RD.
    The Oilers are at least 2 years away from this point. In fact I don’t think we have 23 actual NHL players on the roster right now.

  35. McSorley33 says:

    I mean, players fall in the draft I know…

    But a Right shot, Swedish, elite skating, dman who has drawn crude offensive comparisons to
    EK?

    I would drink myself silly if he falls to 10.

    Chicago and NYR are locks to take a D imo….

  36. ArmchairGM says:

    That would mean Ty Smith, Joel Farabee and Adam Boqvist will be on the board when it comes time for Edmonton to choose. I’d be fine with any of the three, how about you?

    ****

    YES!

  37. Oilman99 says:

    trencan:
    I think there is biger chance Kotkaniemi will be available at 10 than Boqvist. I would love to seeBoqvist as an Oiler but its more likely it will be between Kotkaniemi, Smith, Veleno and Farabee. I prefer Defenseman.

    Somebody always seems to go off the charts,there is always hope.

  38. McSorley33 says:

    I have no problem with the bet on Persson….but I am not expecting too much.

    “Not a speedster” = New NHL?

    I am not judging – I am just not expecting a lot.

    Note for the new readers, we have tons and tons of 3rd pairing D.

    That has never been a problem.

  39. Alpine says:

    Professor Q:
    Alpine,

    I would argue that Bouchard is a better skater now than Chychryn was at the same time.

    I will continue to harp on the skating misconception regarding Bouchard. It seems a lot of prospects gain one narrative or the other, no matter how incorrect, and it sticks even when shown to be otherwise.

    For the record, I don’t think Bouchard’s skating is bad. Just that it’s not really one of the strengths in his game like his vision, passing, shooting etc. are. I do remember being impressed with Chychrun’s skating though, notably the power in his stride and his acceleration. Maybe Chychruns skating stood out to me more because his offensive ability wasn’t as good as Bouchard’s.

  40. Bling says:

    This bet on Persson is exactly what I was hoping that Chia would do.

    That Athletic article on him that WG posted is a must-read. There are some nice GIFs of him in there. He looks pretty dynamic to me. His skating looks to be quite good, at least at the SEL level, and he’s definitely a good, smart passer.

    I wouldn’t mind a Larsson/Benning/Persson RHD depth chart.

    Persson on the third pairing would be a similar look to what Vegas has, with Colin Miller on their 3rd pairing.

  41. Dustylegnd says:

    JimmyV1965:
    I think this might be a great time to pick up Faulk on the cheap. Two years ago it would have cost us Hall to get Faulk.I find it very unlikely that the cost would now be the 10OV. I have yet to read a positive report on Faulk this offseason and that includes the Canes Country blog. No one is happy with this guy right now. Not the fans, not mngt or any outside observers that I’ve read. I doubt the new mngt is holding out for 10OV. Yet prior to last year he scored 15+ goals three years in a row. What if the cost is Kassian and a second or third round pick?

    Sounds eerily like the AHL and Islander media scouting reports on Reinhart right before we traded 16 and 31 to get him

    I live in Calgary and listen to their am sports station…their running joke is “the Chiarelli tax”….as in other GMs and agents charge him a tax to do business…..Toronto wants to move from 25 to 10 in the 1st round……Chia “all I can offer is 10 overall and our 2nd round pick to swap places”……this is the perception of him down here

  42. Alpine says:

    John Chambers:
    who,

    Great post.

    The “fire Chiarelli” crowd routinely forget that the Oilers lineup had about 10 NHL players when Chiarelli inherited it.

    And as someone mentioned above, this probably means no big game hunting for a RD powerplay specialist.

    Now if he could just divest the payroll of Milan Lucic ….

    Do the Oilers have that many more NHLers now though? I count 5 maybe 6 on defense, and 4 or 5 up front with a couple maybes and a lot of tweener types. He’s sent away a small handful of NHLers too.

  43. v4ance says:

    John Chambers:
    who,

    Great post.

    The “fire Chiarelli” crowd routinely forget that the Oilers lineup had about 10 NHL players when Chiarelli inherited it.

    And as someone mentioned above, this probably means no big game hunting for a RD powerplay specialist.

    Now if he could just divest the payroll of Milan Lucic ….

    I totally do not forget that there was only 10 actual NHLers on the roster when he took over.

    Yes Chiarelli was handicapped upon arrival with a dearth of defencemen. He climbed out of that massive hole then dug an entirely new pit of his own by shipping out more talent than he received in return and overpaying on every complimentary player he could find.

    If anything, we are arguably worse off now than when Chiarelli started because at least when he started, he had loads of cap room to bring in solutions to the problems.

    #firethemall

  44. JimmyV1965 says:

    Dustylegnd: Sounds eerily like the AHL and Islander media scouting reports on Reinhart right before we traded 16 and 31 to get him

    I live in Calgary and listen to their am sports station…their running joke is “the Chiarelli tax”….as in other GMs and agents charge him a tax to do business…..Toronto wants to move from 25 to 10 in the 1st round……Chia “all I can offer is 10 overall and our 2nd round pick to swap places”……this is the perception of him down here

    The difference of course being that Faulk has been one if the highest scoring dmen in the NHL. I don’t believe he has ever played in the AHL. Reinhart has never played in the NHL.

    I’m just saying Faulk would be intriguing acquisition because you’re buying low. I have no idea what Chia would give up for him.

  45. who says:

    John Chambers:
    who,

    Great post.

    The “fire Chiarelli” crowd routinely forget that the Oilers lineup had about 10 NHL players when Chiarelli inherited it.

    And as someone mentioned above, this probably means no big game hunting for a RD powerplay specialist.

    Now if he could just divest the payroll of Milan Lucic ….

    Yep. He was gifted Mcdavid but he had a lot of holes to fill.
    But don’t get me wrong, I am not endorsing Chia. From where I sit this organization is no further ahead than it was the minute he drafted Mcdavid. And he’s made some big mistakes since then.l
    The only real positive I take from Chia’s last 3 years is that he seems to have improved the amateur scouting and drafting. But we really won’t know for sure until some of these players become NHL regulars.
    Other than that it seems like the Oilers have run in place since he took over. And they have a much bigger payroll than when he started!

  46. jtblack says:

    Jaxon: I think I see the disconnect. QUANT doesn’t list 5×5, they only list ES, which includes 4×4 and 3×3 and would therefore be higher.

    That makes all the sense in the World. Now we(I) are on same page.

    Thanks !!

  47. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    v4ance: I totally do not forget that there was only 10 actual NHLers on the roster when he took over.

    Yes Chiarelli was handicapped upon arrival with a dearth of defencemen.He climbed out of that massive hole then dug an entirely new pit of his own by shipping out more talent than he received in return and overpaying on every complimentary player he could find.

    If anything, we are arguably worse off now than when Chiarelli started because at least when he started, he had loads of cap room to bring in solutions to the problems.

    #firethemall

    – Maybe one day with really advanced stats we might be able to solve for all of this

    – The relationship between actual results and all of: players, coaches, GM (roster composition), and variance is a fascinating to be sure

    – We all have our biases, but I think we all recognize that actual results are a combination of things

    – So a lot of our posts here depend on what we choose to focus on.

    – If people assigned “values” from 1-10 on these factors, this is my sense of the consensus narrative (*note not all see this way, but this is middle ground):

    2 years ago:

    1) Players: 8 – D system was great, Talbot Vezina, good scoring. Team on the rise
    2) Coaching 7 – Clancy votes, massive goal differential improvement, good not great special teams
    3) GM 3: Chia bled talent, Hall was too much for Larsson, we got in despite him
    4) Variance: 5. We were as good as we were, unlucky to not go further

    Last year:

    1) Players: 4: with all the injuries, Lucic, Talbot, our players really took a step back
    2) Coaching 1: Coach was brutal, stubborn, special teams sucked, played favourites
    3) GM 1: Hall for MVP, Ebs > Strome, no D back-up, all the youngs didn’t progress for secondary scoring, should have got more D because Sek, should have had back-up for Talbot
    4) Variance 6: some bad luck, but team sucked, coach sucked, GM sucked

    – Of course, I have no answers, only biases. I’m much more of the belief that this season was mainly about the D being more than normal not playing, Talbot sucking, some really bad 0% sh% from a lot of players that the team needed to score, so many first shot goals, and not being able to recover

    – Now some of this is on the Coach, and yes we all wish Chia solved for vet wingers and D (his bet was the kids, Joki, and deadline trades, it didn’t work out)

    – Anyway, its kind of cathartic. What we know and don’t know about these variables and how to measure them makes it so interesting

    – There is not a hockey person who thought that Vegas would be where they are now

    – It will be fun to see the off-season, and cheer for the Oil next year. If they win 2 Cups in the next 8 years that would be huge.

    – Last year we thought they were Cup bound this year

    – This year we think they are going to barely make the playoffs, and we all have our reasons for why.

    – We will see, and thanks for reading my circular piece: that’s the beauty of sports: round and round

  48. jtblack says:

    VEGAS top line has an 83% GF in the playoffs(10-2). – from TSN

    WOW

  49. Ryan says:

    Not sure why, but my iPad doesn’t like this website. Crashes after I write half a sentence. Probably a good thing for most of you guys.

    Yet my iPhone works fine.

    Listening just now to Stauffer on the radio… He mentioned improving the top six by adding a $4m winger. Then he said something about finding cap space by moving out someone from the bottom six. After that, he specifically mentioned moving out $2m

    Goodbye Kassian?

  50. theWaxCollector says:

    With Tampa having to sign some good players after next season (Kucherov and Point), I’d love to see the Oilers try to snag JT Miller for something like Caggiula and 2 2nds. Would fit in nicely with Drai and Puljujarvi on the second line. Banishing Lucic to 3rd line

  51. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Faulk’s situation is like Hall’s – mid 20’s offensive player on a good contract who hasn’t reached potential.

    Maybe like others a trade, and for a modest return, might re-motivate him like Hall.

    For the right price I’d do it.

  52. OriginalPouzar says:

    N64:
    Hands up whoever had him as Persson of interesst.

    Elliote Friedman did – back in January.

  53. OriginalPouzar says:

    RexLibris: I’m likely just being skeptical, but this has an “Anton Belov” feel to it. It isn’t a criticism of the player but deep reservations over how this organization perceives him as a solution to certain problems.

    If he’s meant to replace Auvitu, then the discussion becomes whether McLellan will dress him.

    If he’s meant to be their RD PP quarterback, then they are likely setting the bar too high and inviting failure.

    3rd pairing, 2nd unit PP would be the best bet if he’s to be in the NHL.

    Ideal would be to have him in Bakersfield for at least half a season, though I’d be surprised if he signed here if NHL play wasn’t a condition.

    I think “he’s meant” to come to training camp in September and compete for a job on the roster.

    I’m just looking forward to seeing what the kid can do and seeing if he can earn a job out of camp.

  54. Alpine says:

    Wonder what Tyler Myers will cost as a rental for one year. Probably not worth it, but he could potentially shake loose as the Jets need to sign Trouba, Morrissey, Hellebuyck, Lowey and Armia this off-season.

  55. RexLibris says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    I’m curious as well. Very skeptical because this organization, well before Chiarelli, has made a habit of luring in European free agents, rushed them through the acclimation process and then bemoaned the unsurprisingly lacklustre results.

    The Calgary Flames lure these same players over and send them to the AHL to learn the NA system. They never seem to call them up and eventually the players return overseas disgruntled at never having been given a shot, so they err on the other extreme.

  56. Todd Macallan says:

    Anxiously awaiting the incoming the Swedishposter analysis on the signing today along with everyone else.

  57. Oilin4 says:

    John Chambers:
    who,

    Great post.

    The “fire Chiarelli” crowd routinely forget that the Oilers lineup had about 10 NHL players when Chiarelli inherited it.

    Interesting point. He had tons of cap room, the best draft pick of all time, Nurse and Drai waiting in the wings and 10 players. What does he have now?

    How many players on the current team crack the Jets starting 20?

    Talbot plays backup
    97
    29
    93
    only locks at forward

    Are there any locks on D? Larsson isn’t better than any of their 3 RD. Do you play Nurse above Chiarot at LD? Anyone else?

    What did he do with all these assets?

  58. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    Faulk’s situation is like Hall’s – mid 20’s offensive player on a good contract who hasn’t reached potential.

    Maybe like others a trade, and for a modest return, might re-motivate him like Hall.

    For the right price I’d do it.

    Hall was routinely one of the best Relative GF% players in the league and on his team and Faulk is the worst on his team and one of the worst in the league.

    So, nothing alike in terms of winning the goal share.

  59. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    jtblack:
    VEGAS top line has an 83% GF in the playoffs(10-2). – from TSN

    WOW

    *Peter Chiarelli tries to sign them all for $8.5 x 8 years each*

  60. Professor Q says:

    Woodguy v2.0: *Peter Chiarelli tries to sign them all for $8.5 x 8 years each*

    What about just Perron, for cheaper and shorter?

  61. jtblack says:

    Woodguy v2.0: *Peter Chiarelli tries to sign them all for $8.5 x 8 years each*

    PLUS NMC for all. I know GF% is not a tell in small sample sizes; but that line is excellent.

    What was there CF% & GF% from the season & playoffs?

  62. jtblack says:

    OEL @ $8 × 8 years will be the 5th highest paid D man in the League?

    WEBER
    SUBBAN
    SUTER
    EKBLAD

  63. ArmchairGM says:

    In his final weeks of the season, Nuge played with Connor McDavid and the results were handsome. He was riding shotgun with 97 for 203 5×5 minutes, scoring 4-6-10 (2.95 5-on-5 per 60 scoring). Extrapolate that over an entire season (Patrick Maroon had 732 glorious 5×5 minutes with McDavid in 2016-17) and Nugent-Hopkins might deliver 35+ points on the top line at 5×5.

    ******

    In the last 15 games of the season, Nugent-Hopkins played 1LW with McDavid – except for 2 games he missed with a minor injury. The chemistry was instantaneous and incredible. During those games, here was the scoring pace (projected over 82 games) for each player:

    McDavid: 82, 63-107-170 +69
    Nugent-Hopkins: 82, 44-50-94 +88

    Keep in mind that this was with either Pontus Aberg or Ty Rattie on the right wing. In the two games RNH missed during that torrid stretch, McDavid went 0-0-0 (-5).

    Not only did McDavid make Nugent-Hopkins better, but Nugent-Hopkins made McDavid better too. That has extreme value to the Oilers franchise, and it’s not something that’s guaranteed to happen with, say, Pacioretty, Hoffman or Skinner playing 1LW – even if it can be argued that those players are “better” than RNH.

  64. Munny says:

    jtblack,

    Not to mention Doughty’s next deal.

  65. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Hall was routinely one of the best Relative GF% players in the league and on his team and Faulk is the worst on his team and one of the worst in the league.

    So, nothing alike in terms of winning the goal share.

    Like it matters. One would think you’d have these details down by now.

    Oh, what does your machine say about Myers?

  66. v4ance says:

    @dellowhockey

    Interesting listening to Rishaug speculating that the Oilers will go hard for a big name D; suggested Klefbom + 10 for Risto as an example.

    At this rate, by the time Chiarelli is relieved, we’ll have McDavid and 30 AHLers on the roster and some idiots will still be defending him.

  67. --hudson-- says:

    v4ance:
    @dellowhockey

    Interesting listening to Rishaug speculating that the Oilers will go hard for a big name D; suggested Klefbom + 10 for Risto as an example.

    At this rate, by the time Chiarelli is relieved, we’ll have McDavid and 30 AHLers on the roster and some idiots will still be defending him.

    Hopefully that says more about Rishaug than it does about Chiarelli. It seems future value is worth nothing to the local reporters, Spector & Matheson included. It’s not just about present value fellas.

  68. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    RexLibris: I’m likely just being skeptical, but this has an “Anton Belov” feel to it. It isn’t a criticism of the player but deep reservations over how this organization perceives him as a solution to certain problems.

    If he’s meant to replace Auvitu, then the discussion becomes whether McLellan will dress him.

    If he’s meant to be their RD PP quarterback, then they are likely setting the bar too high and inviting failure.

    3rd pairing, 2nd unit PP would be the best bet if he’s to be in the NHL.

    Ideal would be to have him in Bakersfield for at least half a season, though I’d be surprised if he signed here if NHL play wasn’t a condition.

    Belov 13-14 results:

    Relative GF% +3.27%
    Relative Team mate GF% +3.58%

    Relative CF% +2.39%
    Relative Team mate CF% +2.90%

    Belov played 2nd pair QoC iirc

    So if Perrson turns out like Belov I’d be thrilled.

    Belov had slow boots but I don’t argue much with results

    He clashed with Eakins iirc and that probably affected his TOI later in the season.

  69. Woogie63 says:

    –hudson–: Hopefully that says more about Rishaug than it does about Chiarelli.It seems future value is worth nothing to the local reporters, Spector & Matheson included.It’s not just about present value fellas.

    Clicks are the new editor

  70. Scungilli Slushy says:

    v4ance:
    @dellowhockey

    Interesting listening to Rishaug speculating that the Oilers will go hard for a big name D; suggested Klefbom + 10 for Risto as an example.

    At this rate, by the time Chiarelli is relieved, we’ll have McDavid and 30 AHLers on the roster and some idiots will still be defending him.

    Because of salary vs points that is a straight up. Or, Klef 10 Benning and Yama for Risto and 1.

  71. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Woodguy you know I was joking around yes? Dry sense of humour

  72. --hudson-- says:

    Woogie63: Clicks are the new editor

    Sadly it seems this is the case. That’s one very nice thing about the Athletic model.

    What was the old clickbait? I definitely won’t be following Rishaug, Matheson or Spector on twitter. Will not click their articles either.

  73. godot10 says:

    Chiarelli is a very unimaginative GM. McLellan is a very unimaginative coach. It is why Chiarelli always feels the need to lose value in big player trades, and why it takes McLellan nearly 3 years to try Nugent-Hopkins with McDavid.

    Neither could see how to get from

    Nugent-Hopkins, McDavid, XXX
    Hall, Draisaitl, XXX
    XXX, XXX, Eberle

    Klefbom XXX
    Nurse XXX
    Sekera XXX

    Talbot

    Plus #16OV and #33 OV is an deep draft (Kyle Connor/Erickson Ek and Brandon Carlo)

    to a consistantly competitive team in three years.

    The OIlers are currently three years later down to

    Nugent-Hopkins, McDavid, XXX
    XXX, Draisaitl, XXX
    XXX, XXX, XXX

    Nurse, Larson
    Klefbom, XXX
    Sekera, Russell

    Talbot

    And Puljujarvi and Yamamoto, both who failed in their first NHL trials.

  74. Pink Socks says:

    v4ance:
    @dellowhockey

    Interesting listening to Rishaug speculating that the Oilers will go hard for a big name D; suggested Klefbom + 10 for Risto as an example.

    At this rate, by the time Chiarelli is relieved, we’ll have McDavid and 30 AHLers on the roster and some idiots will still be defending him.

    I know we have learned to expect the unexpected with PC… well, expect to be disappointed, however, if PC manages to convince himself that Klefbom and #10 for Risto is a good idea, I will eat my hat.

    The only deal I do with Buffalo involving the pick and the big D is #10 + Lucic for Ristolainen.

  75. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    John Chambers:
    who,

    Great post.

    The “fire Chiarelli” crowd routinely forget that the Oilers lineup had about 10 NHL players when Chiarelli inherited it.

    And as someone mentioned above, this probably means no big game hunting for a RD powerplay specialist.

    Now if he could just divest the payroll of Milan Lucic ….

    NHL players and valuable assets in/out over China’s tenure:

    IN (signed as FA or traded for)
    Sekera
    Russell
    Reinhart
    Gryba
    Davidson
    Larsson
    Benning
    Auvitu
    Clendenning
    Pardy
    Caggiula
    Lucic
    Strome
    Cammallari
    Rattie
    Aberg
    Korpikoski
    Letestu
    Walker
    Joikenen
    Desharnais
    Maroon
    Kassian
    Gustavsson
    Talbot
    Nilsson
    Montoya

    Other significant assets in:
    None

    OUT (traded or not retained)
    Fayne
    Marincin
    Schultz
    Davidson
    Clendenning
    Pardy
    Auvitu
    Reinhart
    Oesterle
    Hall
    Eberle
    Pouliot
    Korpikoski
    Letestu
    Maroon
    Lander
    Pitlick
    Hendricks
    Slepeshev
    Desharnais
    Gustavsson

    Other significant assets out:
    16th 2015 draft
    33rd 2015 draft
    57th 2015 draft
    79th 2015 draft

    I’m only considering top 100 picks as “significant assets” to keep it somewhat simple.

    Lemme know if I missed anything I did this on my phone.

    I think the next step is to cancel off the players/assets on either side of the ledger and then weigh what is left.

  76. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    Woodguy you know I was joking around yes? Dry sense of humour

    I cannot recognize humour in written form very well.

    I don’t know posters well enough so I take everything on face value unless the post makes it very clear the tongue is in cheek.

  77. Pink Socks says:

    godot10:

    And Puljujarvi and Yamamoto, both who failed in their first NHL trials.

    Agreed on all except the last piece. JP and Yamamoto have not failed, TMac has. The entire blame goes directly on the head coach for the Yamamoto experiment lasting 9 games and JP not playing consistently with any one linemate.

  78. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Like it matters. One would think you’d have these details down by now.

    Oh, what does your machine say about Myers?

    Myers:

    Relative defensive measures are ok

    Relative offensive measures were bad

    He defends ok, but offence dies when he’s on the ice.

    A 6’6 RH version of Russell in terms of results.

  79. Pink Socks says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Missed the 2 third round picks in for Maroon & Davidson, then minus one of them for Marody in.

  80. Mr DeBakey says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Belov had slow boots but I don’t argue much with results
    He clashed with Eakins iirc and that probably affected his TOI later in the season.

    I always thought Belov was overplayed in the early part of the season and then ran out of gas.
    Its opposite of the Hejda Outcome, spot duty til Xmas then turn ’em loose.
    These guys are used to playing 56 game seasons and then are asked to go straight to 82 against bigger, faster, Better players.

  81. Biggus Dickus says:

    ArmchairGM:
    In his final weeks of the season, Nuge played with Connor McDavid and the results were handsome. He was riding shotgun with 97 for 203 5×5 minutes, scoring 4-6-10 (2.95 5-on-5 per 60 scoring). Extrapolate that over an entire season (Patrick Maroon had 732 glorious 5×5 minutes with McDavid in 2016-17) and Nugent-Hopkins might deliver 35+ points on the top line at 5×5.

    ******

    In the last 15 games of the season, Nugent-Hopkins played 1LW with McDavid – except for 2 games he missed with a minor injury. The chemistry was instantaneous and incredible. During those games, here was the scoring pace (projected over 82 games) for each player:

    McDavid: 82, 63-107-170 +69
    Nugent-Hopkins: 82, 44-50-94 +88

    Keep in mind that this was with either Pontus Aberg or Ty Rattie on the right wing. In the two games RNH missed during that torrid stretch, McDavid went 0-0-0 (-5).

    Not only did McDavid make Nugent-Hopkins better, but Nugent-Hopkins made McDavid better too. That has extreme value to the Oilers franchise, and it’s not something that’s guaranteed to happen with, say, Pacioretty, Hoffman or Skinner playing 1LW – even if it can be argued that those players are “better” than RNH.

    Keeping in mind that lots of players have been hot and cold with McDavid. Yakupov, Eberle, and Maroon all jump to mind. I highly doubt that that combo will become the definition of sustainability.

  82. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I cannot recognize humour in written form very well.

    I don’t know posters well enough so I take everything on face value unless the post makes it very clear the tongue is in cheek.

    It’s because you’re a dink.

    😀

  83. Mr DeBakey says:

    godot10: It is why Chiarelli always feels the need to lose value in big player trades, and why it takes McLellan nearly 3 years to try Nugent-Hopkins with McDavid.

    I’ve seen this RNH thing a couple of times.
    As a guy who thought McLellan was the wrong hire from before he was hired, I don’t think this is a fair criticism.
    Its not like the Oilers have been laden with competent veteran Centermen to play RNH’s minutes until recently.
    And, its not like Maroon was terrible on McDavid’s wing.

    PS
    I don’t disagree on his relative unimaginative-ness.

  84. bendelson says:

    Woogie63: Clicks are the new editor

    Integrity be damned…

  85. Woogie63 says:

    –hudson–: Sadly it seems this is the case.That’s one very nice thing about the Athletic model.

    What was the old clickbait?I definitely won’t be following Rishaug, Matheson or Spector on twitter.Will not click their articles either.

    The civil discourse is one of the things that really works at this site.

  86. JimmyV1965 says:

    v4ance:
    @dellowhockey

    Interesting listening to Rishaug speculating that the Oilers will go hard for a big name D; suggested Klefbom + 10 for Risto as an example.

    At this rate, by the time Chiarelli is relieved, we’ll have McDavid and 30 AHLers on the roster and some idiots will still be defending him.

    I’m a little unclear here. Are people idiots for defending Chia? Or are they idiots when he trades Klef and 10OV for Risto? Or are they idiots when all there’s left on the team is McDavid and 30 AHL players?

  87. Richard S.S. says:

    People worry about too, too much, it’s a wonder that ulcers aren’t a common and frequent occurence. One of the Oilers’ primary needs is a puck-moving Defenseman. If they are going for the very best they can acquire the LHD or RHD might not matter if they acquire a true #1. The Price must be one they are willing to pay, it may not be one fans are happy with. There is a Plan B, possibly a second pairing RHD or some such trade and that won’t make the fans happy either. Plan C is Free Agency and the risks it brings and it won’t make the fans happy either. Plan D is signing Joel Persson and guys like him, but that won’t make the fans happy. Strange thing that, unhappy fans.

  88. Scungilli Slushy says:

    JimmyV1965: I’m a little unclear here. Are people idiots for defending Chia? Or are they idiots when he trades Klef and 10OV for Risto? Or are they idiots when all there’s left on the team is McDavid and 30 AHL players?

    There are no absolutes in life, we know and instinctively know this.

    For whatever reasons PC has made two awful trades, one bad trade, and gotten better as the stakes became lower.

    I have no idea if he can change. Or change what he does.

    Still every day opportunity exists to get better. Persson is a nice add if done; many young D rapidly reassessing summer training I’m sure.

  89. JimmyV1965 says:

    Scungilli Slushy: There are no absolutes in life, we know and instinctively know this.

    For whatever reasons PC has made two awful trades, one bad trade, and gotten better as the stakes became lower.

    I have no idea if he can change. Or change what he does.

    Still every day opportunity exists to get better. Persson is a nice add if done; many young D rapidly reassessing summer training I’m sure.

    I’m really on the fence with Chia. He’s clearly shown an inability to negotiate trades and contracts. Yet he’s done a fine job at the amateur draft and building up the prospect pool. Bakersfield will look much different next year and Chia deserves credit for that.

    I agree that very few things in this world are black and white. There’s always gray areas. The idea that trading the 10OV is a disaster doesn’t make sense to me. If the right deal comes along it might make complete sense to trade the pick.

    I’m just trying to figure out where I slide in on the idiot-o-meter.

  90. Andy Dufresne says:

    “Not only did McDavid make Nugent-Hopkins better, but Nugent-Hopkins made McDavid better too. That has extreme value to the Oilers franchise, and it’s not something that’s guaranteed to happen with, say, Pacioretty, Hoffman or Skinner playing 1LW – even if it can be argued that those players are “better” than RNH.”
    ArmchairGM,

    Im not advocating trading RNH but if you were ever going to do it , it would/should be while his value is high.

    They NEVER played RNH on McDavids wing until the season was almost over. So:

    1) If you want to consider trading RNH you definitely want him to be preceived as a center. You definitely want to show he has offensive chops (play him with McDavid for a month). AND most importantly you definitley want to sell high. So the very things that make it attractive to keep him also make him attractive in the trade market.

    2) From the days of Semenko playing on the Gretzky line. Even a pilon could score 20 goals playing with McDavid.

    So the pros to keeping RNH

    1) 70+ points on McDavids wing
    2) Versatility. Can revert to playing 2nd line center when required
    3) PP witch
    4) A known asset. You know exactly what you can expect from him on and off the ice and in the locker room (above average charachter)
    5) Under control for 3 more years at prime age

    Pros to trading Nuge:

    1) He is at peak value.
    2) 1st line centers ( even 1B/2A types) are almost as rare as first pairing D.
    3) Reasonable contract, under control for 3 more years prime age

    You say that Max Pacioretty has less value…..which is true due to age mainly and position played (LW) and the fact that hes only under control for 1 year.

    So what would have to be included to balance a deal

    1) high probability Patches will score a rate similar to or better than RNH on McDavids LW (In the 4 years prior to 2017-18 Patches averaged 35 goals and 60+ points for 4 consecutive years)
    2) Patches at $1.5 Million less AVV
    3) Oilers get MTLs 3ov (Zadina) MTL gets Oilers 10ov ( A Center)
    4) the cap increase PLUS the $1.5m Savings PLUS dumping Kassian’s $2m allows us to procure a higher end 2RHD

    If the intention is to play RNH as a first line LW…..and there is an option who can provide similar if not more offense on LW and secure Zadina…..I have to consider it.

    Pacioretty is a year younger than James Neil and scores at a higher rate, both goals and points.

    It might boil down to how much you value the player group that is at 9,10,11 in the draft.

    If this was a deal with Carolina RNH +10th for Jeff Skinner + the 2ov……I’d certainly do that deal.

  91. Richard S.S. says:

    Too many people blame Chiarelli for everything he’s done since he was hired. In 2015, he knew he had Connor McDavid, a few really good Players and nothing much else. The prospect pool was empty or very close to it. The majority of the team had little trade value and occupied too much Cap. All he had to fill a huge number of gaping holes were draft picks. Blame the previous Executive for trashing the Team so badly that Chiarelli had to be better that perfect at everything he did.

    One season later the Oilers got to the playoffs with uncommonly good health. Better officiating and who knows where it ends. Last season, the Oilers missed the playoffs with uncommonly bad health. Next season should be better health-wise, because it’s hard to be much worse. The Oilers know what they need; they know who’s available; they know how much Cap they have. They have a Plan A , B, C, D for every position of need. Teams are still playing, the Stanley Cup media freeze is coming. Still half of May, then June, then July and August has yet to come. In other words, it’s early.

  92. jtblack says:

    Woodguy v2.0: NHL players and valuable assets in/out over China’s tenure:

    IN (signed as FA or traded for)
    Sekera
    Russell
    Reinhart
    Gryba
    Davidson
    Larsson
    Benning
    Auvitu
    Clendenning
    Pardy
    Caggiula
    Lucic
    Strome
    Cammallari
    Rattie
    Aberg
    Korpikoski
    Letestu
    Walker
    Joikenen
    Desharnais
    Maroon
    Kassian
    Gustavsson
    Talbot
    Nilsson
    Montoya

    Other significant assets in:
    None

    OUT (traded or not retained)
    Fayne
    Marincin
    Schultz
    Davidson
    Clendenning
    Pardy
    Auvitu
    Reinhart
    Oesterle
    Hall
    Eberle
    Pouliot
    Korpikoski
    Letestu
    Maroon
    Lander
    Pitlick
    Hendricks
    Slepeshev
    Desharnais
    Gustavsson

    Other significant assets out:
    16th 2015 draft
    33rd 2015 draft
    57th 2015 draft
    79th 2015 draft

    I’m only considering top 100 picks as “significant assets”to keep it somewhat simple.

    Lemme know if I missed anything I did this on my phone.

    I think the next step is to cancel off the players/assets on either side of the ledger and then weigh what is left.

    Happy to tell everyone I did a ledger as WG suggested. At the same time I was cleaning the house (I know I know) & and getting interrupted cuase ppl stopping in buying stuff from SWAP & BUY.

    BOTTOM LINE: I am more confused than when I began. And have nothing of value to share.

    The only note is you should include to 2 – 3rd round 2019 picks for Maroon and Davidson. I ball parked a 3rd at 80th.

  93. jtblack says:

    ALSO: EDM acquired picks:

    YAK 3RD
    MAROON 4TH
    NILSSON 5TH
    PURCELL 3RD
    SCHULTZ 3RD
    LARSON (philip) 5TH

    EDIT: PETER can pick up a 3rd round pick faster than he can hand out a No-Move Clause 😉

  94. Harpers Hair says:

    Richard S.S.:
    Too many people blame Chiarelli for everything he’s done since he was hired. In 2015, he knew he had Connor McDavid, a few really good Players and nothing much else.The prospect pool was empty or very close to it.The majority of the team had little trade value and occupied too much Cap.All he had to fill a huge number of gaping holes were draft picks.Blame the previous Executive for trashing the Team so badly that Chiarelli had to be better that perfect at everything he did.

    One season later the Oilers got to the playoffs with uncommonly good health.Better officiating and who knows where it ends.Last season, the Oilers missed the playoffs with uncommonly bad health.Next season should be better health-wise, because it’s hard to be much worse. The Oilers know what they need; they know who’s available; they know how much Cap they have.They have a Plan A , B, C, D for every position of need.Teams are still playing, the Stanley Cup media freeze is coming.Still half of May, then June, then July and August has yet to come.In other words, it’s early.

    There were 17 teams that lost more games to injury last season than the Oilers. They were about average.
    Check innjuryviz.blogspot for reference.
    You’ll see that the Oilers were particularly fortunate that injuries to their top players were few.

  95. leadfarmer says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Myers:

    Relative defensive measures are ok

    Relative offensive measures were bad

    He defends ok, but offence dies when he’s on the ice.

    A 6’6 RH version of Russell in terms of results.

    Is that using this years data, or last year or a mix. Cause its like looking at 2 very different players. Watching Myers this year offensively inept is very low on list of things I’d describe him as. He probably would have been our top pp qb and offensive defenseman if he was on our team this year

  96. Munny says:

    Oh dear. 35 seconds in.

  97. Andy Dufresne says:

    If Head Coach Phil Hously (NHL Defenceman) is ok with losing Rasmus Ristolainen is that a red flag??

    Anyway….Ive read elsewhere that Ristolainens fancy stats can be confusing.

    His zone exits and entries are much worse than Klefboms.
    But he plays big minutes and tough comp
    His 5×4 play is sublime, his 5×5 numbers not that good.

    Is this a reflection of playing on a poor team paired with poor Dmen?

    Who is more valuable to the Oilers….Ristolainen or Barrie?

  98. Wilde says:

    Richard S.S.:
    People worry about too, too much, it’s a wonder that ulcers aren’t a common and frequent occurence.One of the Oilers’ primary needs is a puck-moving Defenseman.If they are going for the very best they can acquire the LHD or RHD might not matter if they acquire a true #1.The Price must be one they are willing to pay, it may not be one fans are happy with.There is a Plan B, possibly a second pairing RHD or some such trade and that won’t make the fans happy either.Plan C is Free Agency and the risks it brings and it won’t make the fans happy either.Plan D is signing Joel Persson and guys like him, but that won’t make the fans happy.Strange thing that, unhappy fans.

    This is an (impressively) even more condescending than normal version of the ‘I care much less than you’ internet argumentative style.

    What do people think others are behind their keyboards, seething animals smashing through their sentences, knotting up their insides?

    All of the scenarios you described have their pros and cons, and all would have /different, individual/ fans that would be in favour of it, and those that wouldn’t.

    If you’re homogenising a diverse set of opinion-holders and painting them all negatively, it is you and not them that are focusing on the negative.

    If there was any realistic scenario with both upsides and downsides to occur, and the community was unanimously in favour without a single voice in criticism, now THAT would be a real problem.

  99. Andy Dufresne says:

    LAS VEGAS Entertainment Capital of the World!

    Tacky but entertaining……quite an opening ceremony!

    Great Anthem Singer…….Jets Fans present and loud with “True North!!” strong and free……. Vegas fans respond with even louder gave proof through the “KNIGHT!!!” that our flag was still there……LET THE GAMEs BEGIN!!!

  100. Andy Dufresne says:

    Wilde: This is an (impressively) even more condescending than normal version of the ‘I care much less than you’ internet argumentative style.

    What do people think others are behind their keyboards, seething animals smashing through their sentences, knotting up their insides?

    All of the scenarios you described have their pros and cons, and all would have /different, individual/ fans that would be in favour of it, and those that wouldn’t.

    If you’re homogenising a diverse set of opinion-holders and painting them all negatively, it is you and not them that are focusing on the negative.

    If there was any realistic scenario with both upsides and downsides to occur, and the community was unanimously in favour without a single voice in criticism, now THAT would be a real problem.

    From an article at The Hockey News

    “The biggest debates in hockey these days usually come from two opposing viewpoints of how best to analyze the game: the numbers vs. the eye test. The two groups are usually on the same page, but there are times when they’re worlds apart, and that’s usually when evaluations get interesting.

    It’s in those instances where things are especially illuminating. Maybe there’s something missing from the equation or maybe there’s an aspect that goes unnoticed, but what’s usually clear is that neither side is perfectly right and there’s a place somewhere in the middle (or closer to a specific side) to co-exist. Current hockey data is primitive and the sport is so fast and dynamic that there’s bound to be things missed on both sides.”

  101. leadfarmer says:

    Richard S.S.,

    I’m sorry to hear you’ve been frozen since 1980. Since that time we’ve actually learned that the vast majority of ulcers are caused by a infection caused by bacteria named helicobacter pylori. When it was discovered no one believed it was possible so one of the discovers infected themself with the bacteria and got ulcers.

  102. whale says:

    I have been watching Laine during playoffs and besides his one timer he is not playing a good top 6 roll. Eye test only and I know he’s young. I think he panicks too soon.

  103. Wilde says:

    Andy Dufresne: From an article at The Hockey News

    “The biggest debates in hockey these days usually come from two opposing viewpoints of how best to analyze the game: the numbers vs. the eye test. The two groups are usually on the same page, but there are times when they’re worlds apart, and that’s usually when evaluations get interesting.

    It’s in those instances where things are especially illuminating. Maybe there’s something missing from the equation or maybe there’s an aspect that goes unnoticed, but what’s usually clear is that neither side is perfectly right and there’s a place somewhere in the middle (or closer to a specific side) to co-exist. Current hockey data is primitive and the sport is so fast and dynamic that there’s bound to be things missed on both sides.”

    Did you quote the wrong person?

  104. flyfish1168 says:

    All these rumours about Oscar & our 10th pick of this year for Rasmus Ristolainen. I feel this is a ridiculous trade This year’s draft has special meaning since we probably will not pick this high again we hope and this pick is 2020/21 draft protected. There is not much difference between Oscar and Rasmus besides the 1.4 salary differential and Oscars Contract being 1 year longer. This amounts to huge savings. PC needs to unload the NMC 1st and foremost not trade Oscar and his beautiful contract.

    This big game hunting PC wants to go on should be stropped. We should remind him our depth and longevity on multiple years of playoffs is more important than 1 and out again.

  105. JJ says:

    “When Peter Chiarelli and Todd McLellan arrived, my main concern was the two men would be slow to recognize Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and his subtle brilliance. Four summers later and the Nuge is still standing, with the general manager singing his praises and the coach moving him on to the No. 1 line. Seven years after his first NHL game, RNH is an overnight sensation.”

    ——————

    LT,

    When I watch RNH play, I see the same player you see. I love your description above.

    I hope Nuge names his next horse “Subtle Brilliance”.

    It is also my new nickname for our host.

  106. Andy Dufresne says:

    whale:
    I have been watching Laine during playoffs and besides his one timer he is not playing a good top 6 roll. Eye test only and I know he’s young. I think he panicks too soon.

    He moves a lot like JP. I think JP is actually a better skater/positional player……now if he could only perfect his shot…..

  107. Andy Dufresne says:

    JJ,

    Would you take him over Landeskog and Scheifele in a re-draft?

  108. Biggus Dickus says:

    flyfish1168:
    All these rumours about Oscar& our 10th pick of this year for Rasmus Ristolainen. I feel this is a ridiculous trade This year’s draft has special meaning since we probably will not pick this high again we hope and this pick is 2020/21 draft protected. There is not much difference between Oscar and Rasmus besides the 1.4 salary differential and Oscars Contract being 1 year longer.This amounts to huge savings.PC needs to unload the NMC 1st and foremost not trade Oscar and his beautiful contract.

    This big game hunting PC wants to go on should be stropped. We should remind him our depth and longevity on multiple years of playoffs is more important than 1 and out again.

    I bet we are picking in the top 15 next year.

  109. digger50 says:

    Let’s forget about 2RHD

    Can we trade for that Fleury guy?

  110. trencan says:

    Andy Dufresne: He moves a lot like JP. I think JP is actually a better skater/positional player……now if he could only perfect his shot…..

    JP and Laine are completely different players. Laine is one dimensional player, JP has potential to be complete player. Many scouts before draft mentioned that Laine will be better now an JP in the future.

  111. JJ says:

    Andy Dufresne says:
    May 16, 2018 at 9:18 pm

    JJ,

    Would you take him over Landeskog and Scheifele in a re-draft?

    —————–

    It is hard to say without studying the WoodMoneys.
    I think Nuge has been asked to carry more defensive role since Conner arrived and has been under/ poorly utilized 5×4. That has changed now that he is on Conner’s line. It is like the Oilers suddenly realized he has offensive skill.

    Those two other players you mentioned are very good. Their styles are more in-your-face assertive than Nuge and therefore more easily noticed. I love watching players that make intelligent plays and make those around them better. For me, Nuge is one of those players.

    I think he will play at a high level until he retires. The Oilers are lucky to have him and now so is Conner.

    Subtle Brilliance.

  112. rickithebear says:

    Nate Schmidt Top 10 HD dman moves to perimeter with puck going below the red
    Fails to cover schiefle on his HD side.
    Fwd bury,s a 100% open shot.

    Reminds me of Nurse all year!

    System matters people.

    Persson
    Usually not interested in a top 10 offensive dman in a league.
    Unless he is top 5 in unit goal differential at +ve 17

    Got the best cancer genome results possible today.
    Treatment stays the same.

    Had a great convo today with my hematologist/oncologist dr. Slabby
    Talked about my favourite unique winter runs.

    – Skiing Captain jacks pillowed Kettle rocks in red mountain with late 90,s Kastle 223cm WC downhill skis. 2 red ski instructors followed me down the run. On my forth stop they came up and said you are making about 10 drops before you stop! I lifted up my 223 and said I forgot my Knesset phantom telemarks. But have rest of my gear. Tried a new challenge” they said we have skis for you. Skied with thier run knowledge all day.

    – was down in the basement of former coke reps “coke bar original mid 80,s man Cave”
    He just signed on as Frybe’s origional west Canada District Rep. Saw a picture of 5 guys with skis in front of Columbia ice fields. They skied it. 5 of us planned the run and skied it late 80,s. My Fishers delaminates on the back end at the bottom of the field.
    Brought coke guy our picture in front of the field.
    He started laughing, “We did not ski it. Just took the picture.you guys are fucking crazy.”

    – 1984 spent 3 days in whitewater,taking on one of the ice field five’s challenge of trying new styles, blades, telemarks, alpine, and this.

    https://www.vintagewinter.com/products/vintage-burton-performer-snowboard

    “On these days of frustration, he would come up and say, “We will smoke the pipe (elk antler). Totems and still eagles.” Just me, a friend and a board.

    – work doing north slope (Nabors) China sea (Bohai and Nanhai) Brazil (Duetag and Petrobras) Russia (Gazprom) KGB and Medvidev bros learning the gas drilling ropes for 18 months.
    Developing massive multi rig contract with London office move coming in end of 90,s.
    Mom collapsed getting on plane in Kelowna. Headed for 3 months in Morocco with dad, language student, archeological history student, Moroccan art history student.

    Mom was to have brain surgery, (Grade 5 brain Cancer) rear left brain masses to be removed.
    Was to die in surgery. Boss wanted me to finalize bid. “Fire me or lay me off”

    West jet plane was full but sat with the stewardesses on the flight to Kelowna. The doctor came out of surgery. “We took a 1/4 of her brain and she is. Wide awake and speaking.

    I spent 3 months on medical EI helping dad tchange moms diapers, teaching her to drink, eat, walk, develop and fine tune her motor skills. Christmas Day was 6 diaper changes on moms fabourite day of year.

    Dad said “go ski at Silverstar”
    Got on chair lift with 2 skiers from Germany.
    They were amazed at how quiet it was.
    And it cost 5 times less to fly and ski for 3 weeks her than in Europe.
    They asked what I was going to ski.
    Said I was going to try and get as much vert in a day possible.

    Me and 2 Germans skied for a full day. To exhaustion.
    No lift lines, down and go. On Boxing Day?
    Beyond a full intense day helliskiing fatigue.
    Had 2 beers each.
    And said goodbye.
    Most physical cathartic moment in my life!

    Cancer makes you think about these moments.

  113. rickithebear says:

    digger50:
    Let’s forget about 2RHD

    Can we trade for that Fleury guy?

    King George an active poster on here pre exp draft grilled me on Fluery.
    Clearly he liked him and the data I studied up to 2 yrs before exp draft had showed his play to be skater movement.

    I had chosen to ignore goalies the last 2 years. Cause of the intense final demands of coal plant data chases. Some nights I re created the chalk board and window scenes from the movie the accountant. Accumulated and built the origional final project costing of 3 newest units in Atco fleet.
    Broke down all the contracts identified the coal equipment the could be demoed and greenfield cost flow thru he PPA to province.

    Structured up binder sets for every drawing for demo equipment.
    Identified all loop, single line and critical and aux systems to be converted from coal to gas.

    Created p&Id database for every piece of equipment.
    Marked all coal exclusions and transfers to gas.broke into 2 separate groups.
    Identified operation logic removals and changes to coal.
    Al maintenance pm,s, lubrication programs, all modification to multi unit transfer schemes.

    Found all the test not signed off by engineers at end of construction.
    All test had failed and potential revenue streams.
    You want to find the engineers and operators with failed due diligence these days.
    Look at corporate heads of divisions.

    Any how King George noticed Fluery had changed his scatter movement to phase 1 of goalie tracking.
    Table hockey movement with the play resulting in superior hit goalie rates.
    Ph2 I listed years ago corsi puck path identification.

    What current goalie coaches call tracking.
    But less than half of closed shot performance.

    Talbots numbers are better!
    Talbot does not have tha deepest HD d team in front of him.

  114. SwedishPoster says:

    Persson is now confirmed according to local radio from his team’s area. I like the signing. True low risk, high reward signing.
    Going from swedish third tier to one of the best D in the SHL to signing with an NHL club in such short time is crazy. A year ago more or less he was working a regular job as a teacher’s assistant outside of hockey.
    Due to him making such massive leaps in a short time I’d say he could use another year in the SHL. On the other hand he’s shown an amazing ability to adapt to a higher level and his skill is evident so who knows, he’s clearly a quick learner. Thing is he wasn’t awful defensively either, he was paired with a strong and experienced defensive D and did well, though it’s important to note that he was playing for the most dominant team in the SHL in many many years so that obviously helps. Easier to look good on a powerhouse. That is not the Oilers, nor Bakersfield, so we’ll find out pretty quickly if he’s for real.

  115. OriginalPouzar says:

    Rasanen’s KHL tights have been traded to Moscow.

    Don’t think that means much as he’s headed back ti Boston College next year I believe.

  116. Wilde says:

    SwedishPoster:
    Persson is now confirmed according to local radio from his team’s area. I like the signing. True low risk, high reward signing.
    Going from swedish third tier to one of the best D in the SHL to signing with an NHL club in such short time is crazy. A year ago more or less he was working a regular job as a teacher’s assistant outside of hockey.
    Due to him making such massive leaps in a short time I’d say he could use another year in the SHL. On the other hand he’s shown an amazing ability to adapt to a higher level and his skill is evident so who knows, he’s clearly a quick learner. Thing is he wasn’t awful defensively either, he was paired with a strong and experienced defensive D and did well, though it’s important to note that he was playing for the most dominant team in the SHL in many many years so that obviously helps. Easier to look good on a powerhouse. That is not the Oilers, nor Bakersfield, so we’ll find out pretty quickly if he’s for real.

    If I’m reading the room correctly re : Vaxjo, there’s some kind of exodus occurring, yeah?

    I’d like to see him in the SHL for another year as well, see how he does when the team loses Petersson and others.

  117. russ99 says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    “Not only did McDavid make Nugent-Hopkins better, but Nugent-Hopkins made McDavid better too. That has extreme value to the Oilers franchise, and it’s not something that’s guaranteed to happen with, say, Pacioretty, Hoffman or Skinner playing 1LW – even if it can be argued that those players are “better” than RNH.”
    ArmchairGM,

    Im not advocating trading RNH but if you were ever going to do it , it would/should be while his value is high.

    They NEVER played RNH on McDavids wing until the season was almost over. So:

    1) If you want to consider trading RNH you definitely want him to be preceived as a center. You definitely want to show he has offensive chops (play him with McDavid for a month). AND most importantly you definitley want to sell high. So the very things that make it attractive to keep him also make him attractive in the trade market.

    2) From the days of Semenko playing on the Gretzky line. Even a pilon could score 20 goals playing withMcDavid.

    So the pros to keeping RNH

    1) 70+ points on McDavids wing
    2) Versatility. Can revert to playing 2nd line center when required
    3) PP witch
    4) A known asset. You know exactly what you can expect from him on and off the ice and in the locker room (above average charachter)
    5) Under control for 3 more years at prime age

    Pros to trading Nuge:

    1) He is at peak value.
    2) 1st line centers ( even 1B/2A types) are almost as rare as first pairing D.
    3) Reasonable contract, under control for 3 more years prime age

    You say that Max Pacioretty has less value…..which is true due to age mainly and position played (LW) and the fact that hes only under control for 1 year.

    So what would have to be included to balance a deal

    1) high probability Patches will score a rate similar to or better than RNH on McDavids LW(In the 4 years prior to 2017-18 Patches averaged 35 goals and 60+ points for 4 consecutive years)
    2) Patches at $1.5 Million less AVV
    3) Oilers get MTLs 3ov(Zadina) MTL gets Oilers 10ov ( A Center)
    4) the cap increase PLUS the $1.5m Savings PLUSdumping Kassian’s $2mallows us to procure a higher end 2RHD

    If the intention is to play RNH as a first line LW…..and there is an option who can provide similar if not more offense on LW and secure Zadina…..I have to consider it.

    Pacioretty is a year younger than James Neil and scores at a higher rate, both goals and points.

    It might boil down to how much you value the player group that is at 9,10,11 in the draft.

    If this was a deal with Carolina RNH +10th for Jeff Skinner + the 2ov……I’d certainly do that deal.

    Interesting. As much as I want to see Nuge as our Kesler at center in the postseason 2-3 years from now, giving Connor 2 elite shooting linemates would be much better.

    I still think Nuge at LW is a temporary fix for a long-term issue, giving Connor two NHL scorers who can also retrieve and continue the cycle after first sortie. This was still a problem with Nuge-Rattie.

    If we want to go back to the old days, Connor still doesn’t have his Jari Kurri.

  118. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Richard S.S.,

    Too many people blame Chiarelli for everything he’s done since he was hired.

    I too get too much blame for the things I do.

    Imo.

  119. Yeti says:

    SwedishPoster,

    You’re here at last! I was thinking it was a bit like being late to your own wedding…

  120. Yeti says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    I have no problem with people blaming Chiarelli for the things he does. Some of the bets he made have been poor, and not just with hindsight. They were poor bets from the get go and demonstrated poor talent evaluation.
    I don’t like blaming Chiarelli for the things he /didn’t/ do, as that involves hypotheticals we can never quite be sure what other options were on the table.
    But, just so you know, every time get a wood splinter, I blame you regardless.

  121. SwedishPoster says:

    Wilde: If I’m reading the room correctly re : Vaxjo, there’s some kind of exodus occurring, yeah?

    I’d like to see him in the SHL for another year as well, see how he does when the team loses Petersson and others.

    Yeah, they’ll lose a lot of good players this summer but they’ve been great at finding new talent every off season. They haven’t had much of a youth club, it’s slowly getting better, so they’ve had to rely on finding players elsewhere for their SHL team something that has caused fans of other teams to call them a “buying team” which in swedish team sports is a derogatory term for teams lacking homegrown players and instead paying for other teams talent. Having a good youth academy providing the pro team with players is the absolute ideal.

    I personally think growing your own talent is fantastic and crucial for longterm success but I’m more in the “there are more than one way to skin a cat” category when it comes to improving your pro team.

  122. SwedishPoster says:

    Yeti:
    SwedishPoster,

    You’re here at last! I was thinking it was a bit like being late to your own wedding…

    Heh, I nearly did miss my own wedding actually. It was a small courthouse wedding but still.

    That’s story for another day though.

  123. Yeti says:

    SwedishPoster: Heh, I nearly did miss my own wedding actually. It was a small courthouse wedding but still.

    That’s story for another day though.

    I got married in my own living room just to avoid any possibility of missing my own wedding 🙂

  124. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Re: Perssen: sounds like he is possibly a less entitled Shultz. By entitled I mean he won’t get guarenteed minutes, and he won’t be entitled to 1st line pairings.

    – So depending on ability, maybe used how Jultz should have when he started: sheltered 3RHD, with PP minutes.

  125. flyfish1168 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Richard S.S.,

    Too many people blame Chiarelli for everything he’s done since he was hired.

    I too get too much blame for the things I do.

    Imo.

    lol, WG at least things you do don’t hurt the Oilers. PC keeps killing our skill and depth.

  126. OriginalPouzar says:

    At the end of a terrible PP, McDavid drops for Parayko for a bomb and it’s 1-0 Canada.

    As an aside, a great pick battle win by Eberle outside the blue line started the play.

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