Coachella

I am far less angry at Todd McLellan’s coaching in Edmonton than the vast majority of this blog’s readers. While not an innovator in the ways of chemistry, he did help drive the most complete roster in ages to 103 points in 2017 spring. Many are pointing at the slow adjustment to Nuge as a winger on 97’s line as typical of McLellan’s coaching inertia, but for me that was a veteran coach still unsure Leon Draisaitl could push the river. I do wish he would take advantage of line matching opportunities and the power play may well cost him the job if it doesn’t turn around this season. All of that said, he’s a veteran hand and the team seems to have discipline and structure. I blame last season mostly on Peter Chiarelli, as you can’t win if you don’t have the horses. Todd McLellan is going to get a lot of help coaching these Edmonton Oilers from now on. Starting, apparently, today.

THE ATHLETIC!

Great playoff special! Try The Athletic on for size free and see if they enjoy the in-depth, ad-free coverage on the site. Offer is here. There’s a 7-day free trial and the cost for an annual subscription is less than one (or two) coffee per month, depending on where you buy your hot liquid. We have a mountain of good reading to come in the next 30 days at The Athletic Edmonton, including draft coverage, prospect updates and reaction to the deals of summer. Join us, for the Oilers coverage, stay for all of the other brilliant writing on the site.

  • New Lowetide: Pennants!
  • New Jonathan Willis: Al Montoya’s likely exit means an end of an era for Peter Chiarelli
  • New Scott Wheeler: Five Sleeper Picks
  • Corey Pronman: Pronman mailbag
  • Lowetide: Laurent Brossoit: 4-year audition results in a career crossroads
  • Jonathan Willis: Cam Talbot’s performance in 2017-18: Does it inject a note of uncertainty in his future with the Oilers?
  • Sunaya Sapurji: Oliver Wahlstrom has been in the spotlight for a long time, but his desire to be ‘special’ burns deep
  • Corey Pronman: 2018 NHL draft board.
  • Lowetide: Summer 2018 on a budget. Calling Warren Foegele!
  • Lowetide: Is Stuart Skinner the real thing?
  • Lowetide: Draft 2018: The Oilers and Russia: A draft tragedy.
  • Lowetide: Draft 2018: The Oilers and the Republic of Finland
  • Lowetide: Draft 2018: The Oilers and Sweden.
  • Lowetide: Draft 2018: The Oilers and the QMJHL.
  • Lowetide: Draft 2018Oilers and the WHL.
  • Lowetide: Draft 2018: Oilers draft history and the OHL
  • Lowetide: Draft 2018: The Oilers and the NCAA.
  • Lowetide: Draft 2018: The Oilers at the draft: Overagers.
  • Lowetide: Draft 2018: Oilers scouting directors: A history.

This is a strong list of assistant coaches, it’ll be interesting to see who handles what chores. Viveiros is a perfect fit for the power play, Yawney has overseen one generation of young defensemen with considerable success (Duncan Keith, Brent Seabrook, Marc-Edouard Vlasic, Jason Demers, Sami Vatanen, Hampus Lindholm). Gulutzan represents a second head coach (one year removed) who might be able to help in areas McLellan isn’t strong (line changes, developing young players). It’s an encouraging list of names, let’s see how it plays out.

OILERS AT NO. 10

I get a lot of comments and emails and tweets asking a version of “who do you think will be available at No. 10?” and in the case of the draft the answer is supplied by Bob McKenzie. Using his list and the current top 10 teams, we get this:

  1. Buffalo—LD Rasmus Dahlin
  2. Carolina—R Andrei Svechnikov
  3. Montreal—R Filip Zadina
  4. Ottawa—L Brady Tkachuk
  5. Arizona—RD Evan Bouchard
  6. Detroit—RD Adam Boqvist
  7. Vancouver—R Oliver Wahlstrom
  8. Chicago—RD Noah Dobson
  9. NY Rangers—LD Quinn Hughes
  10. Edmonton—LC Jesperi Kotkaniemi

I think the Oilers might be happy if the draft goes just that way, Kotkaniemi is a substantial talent. Others who would be available (using McKenzie’s list) are Joe Veleno, Barrett Hayton, Ty Smith, Joel Farabee, Grigori Denisenko. Ryan Merkley is on Pronman’s list in this range, might be a player the Oilers are considering.

If the Oilers dealt the pick, what would they be looking for? Maybe a 2016 first rounder like Dante Fabbro or Sam Steel. Or possibly a 2015 first rounder, say Joel Eriksson Ek. I’d use the pick to be honest, with a kid like Kotkaniemi maybe you’re waiting only one winter.

OTHER POSSIBLE OILERS TARGETS

  • Jacob Olofsson is a center I have just outside my top 10 but he could be around at No. 40 overall. His offense is better than he is given credit for and his overall skill set is fairly complete. Speed is good not great but he’s a player who could deliver exceptional value in the second round.
  • Ryan Merkley is the great unknown in this draft. I would be surprised if the Oilers grabbed him at 10, it’s unlikely he’ll be available at No. 40, but he would be an extreme value with that pick.
  • Calen Addison is inside my top 25 but could easily fall, would represent a terrific pick for need and good value at No. 40.
  • Samuel Fagemo has zero buzz happening but would be an excellent second or third-round selection in my opinion. Speedy winger with a terrific shot.

SWEDISH POSTER ON SAMUEL FAGEMO

  • This quick winger plays for Frölunda, he has a really good wrister, has scored well in the U20 League, quick first few steps but his top speed is just ok to good, Pretty skilled with the puck and has that jack in the box ability of goalscorers to just show up in the right spot. Plays with intensity but I think a guy with his skill should be making plays more consistently. He’s also really frustrating at times, not very smart with the puck, has a tendency to just skate right into opponents and lose the puck, has flashes of creativity but there’s a little too much straight lines and junior decision making that won’t fly at a higher level. He got into two SHL games this season, according to his coach he could’ve gotten a few more games but they wanted him to stay in juniors to develop his offensive game instead of getting used as a grinder in the SHL which is probably smart, if devloped right there’s enough of a skillset to make him a player but he could also end up as nothing more than an SHL journey man and bottom sixer if he can’t work out the glitches in his game. I think Fagemo is a worthwhile pick in the back half of the draft since there is a good set of skills and also enough intensity and grit to play him in different roles if he can’t play higher in the line up.

Huh. Phil Kessel has a contract that pays him $8 million annually for the next four seasons, and his NMC allows him to list eight teams he can be traded to this summer. Extremely unlikely the Oilers are on that list, and the cap hit would be an impossible burden. I would like to see him on McDavid’s (or Leon’s) wing for a season, though.

Otten and his blog are a gift. I have my contacts from the QMJHL and the WHL, but no league that feeds the draft has a better chronicle than Otten’s blog.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

It looks like the Oilers will roll out their new assistants/associates today, expect coverage on the Lowdown and an article on it over at The Athletic later today. Scheduled this morning are Steve Lansky from BigMouth Sports (we’ll chat about his SC finals experience working the games), Matt Iwanyk (Eskimos get going this weekend) and Paul Almeida (Liverpool-Real Madrid, Oilers coaches, preview of Saturday Sports Extra). It all gets going at 10, TSN1260. See you on the radio!

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  1. N64 says:

    “This don’t look like the coachella Valley to me Hmm, I knew I should’ve taken that left turn at Albuquerque.”

  2. Richard S.S. says:

    Most of the World runs on a Dayshift regime as more people work the day shift than any other shift. Most announcements are pre-lunch. The NHL plays most of their games late in the day, in what is termed the afternoon shift. Most announcements are post-lunch. Chances are Lowetide has a full slate of guests appearing today for his podcasts.

  3. jtblack says:

    “All of that said, he’s a veteran hand and the team seems to have discipline and structure.”

    Discipline & Structure? Hmmmm… on a lot of nights I watched a tire fire for extended periods. I guess getting shutout on home ice 5 times (?) represents some type of Structure.

    And he did have the discipline to continually push “Black Holes” into positions of clear failure. Letestu Lucic Cagguila.

    Its never 1 thing that contributes to a losing season. You can lay partial blame on Goalering, Coaching, Health & the GM. But for me, the Head Coach sits at the top of this list. The game is changing right before our eyes and guys like TMac seem late to the party.

  4. magicaleigh says:

    The Leafs are eating 1.2 million a year of the Kessel contract.

  5. jtblack says:

    WOODGUY.

    FYI: Fleury has a .956SV% @ Even Strength in the playoffs.

    .947% all situations.

    #Unreal #Thomas2011

  6. leadfarmer says:

    Why are they trading Kessel? He was injured and he wanted to keep playing. When did that become a bad thing

  7. danny says:

    Kotkaniemi’s hunched over head-up agile skating style is very reminiscent of Doug Weight.

    I’m sold.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ20dBGDfS0

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7B2L4ft1Tdo

  8. Woogie63 says:

    The late developing Nuge to left wing with Connor, has more to do with Driasaitl not ready to play 2C and all the defensive responsibilities, than the coach being suborn.

    Driasaitl is a talent, but his defensive game is a real area he needed to focus on. The center can’t consistently “fly” the defensive zone and needs to support the forecheck, last year he was too inconsistent to play 2C.

  9. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    jtblack:
    WOODGUY.

    FYI: Fleury has a .956SV% @ Even Strength in the playoffs.

    .947% all situations.

    #Unreal #Thomas2011

    Offsidereview.com has him at .953 in all situations.

    If VGK wins the Cup and that SV% holds it will be the highest by a Cup winning goalie for at least the last 30 years, probably more.

    Also,

    Holtby rocking a .927.

    Flip a coin, but its slightly weighted to VGK

  10. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    magicaleigh:
    The Leafs are eating 1.2 million a year of the Kessel contract.

    Yes, his hit for PIT is 6.8

    Still pretty steep.

    Maybe a VGK target?

  11. Harpers Hair says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Yes, his hit for PIT is 6.8

    Still pretty steep.

    Maybe a VGK target?

    Wouldn’t shock me if the Flames offered Brodie for him. Of course Kessel has a trade clause in his contract and might not want to play there.

  12. leadfarmer says:

    Harpers Hair: Wouldn’t shock me if the Flames offered Brodie for him. Of course Kessel has a trade clause in his contract and might not want to play there.

    I would very highly doubt they want another offensively minded defensively suspect defenseman. They already have Schultz and Letang to deal with

  13. Woogie63 says:

    Living in Calgary and having two kids that have not seen the light yet. We watch lots of Flames games, I am not impressed with Gulutzan line changes

    A weird thing I watch is how many times the right lines gets on the ice from the last TV time-out to the end of the period/game. A very good team can get the right line (Monahan/McDavid if you are behind and Backlund/Strome if you are ahead) up to 5 times.

    IMO Gulutzan simply rolled the lines too often at critical points in the game, which means the right line gets on the ice 2-3 times after the TV time-out.

  14. Acumen says:

    Just did my first bit of digging into Trent Yawney after reading your brief note on him LT, much much more excited now. He is a god damned Rearguard Whisperer for crying out loud. Wherever he lands becomes the next D Factory.

    As the head man in Chicago, he had a hand in the first years of Keith, Seabrook, Wisniewski and Byfuglien.

    As an assistant in SJ, he got the most out of a fading Blake, utilized Dan Boyle to his absolute fullest, drew water from a stone in Doug Murray, led Ehrhoff to a breakout year, and had a hand in the first years of Vlasic, Demers and Braun.

    As an assistant in Anaheim, he played a role in the NHL’s undisputed #1 D development program of the last few years. Obviously a lot of kudos goes to the scouts, but he coached up Lindholm, Manson, Fowler, Vatanen, Despres, Theodore and Montour. All while dealing with that insufferable prick, Bieksa!

    That is one helluva CV.

  15. anjinsan says:

    Discussing Chiarelli, a friend pointed out these little factoids to me —
    Only three of the top 10 NHL scorers this year have ever been traded. All three have been traded by Chiarelli (Hall, Kessel, Wheeler). That’s just a terrifying fact. If you expand to the top 25 scorers, a handful more have been dealt but two are Seguin and (essentially) Barzal.

    Given that Chiarelli does well at small ball but consistently displays incompetence at big trades, bid contracts, and big picture team development philosophy, I think the data screams that he’s in over his head as a GM.

  16. Munny says:

    Acumen,

    Agreed. That is a track record of success. Might make me forget about losing Huddy.

  17. jtblack says:

    GOALERING. COACHING. GAMES PLAYED BY STARTER.
    Any Correlation. This is just info but may be finding a pattern. Here goes:

    65+ games started = 80%+
    61+ games started = 75%+.

    In the last 10 years TMac has played his starting goalie in 80%+ of the games 6 seasons. 75%+ in all 10 seasons. Hes never played his starter less than 75% of the games.

    Of the last 10 starting goalies in the Stanley Cup Final; 10 of 10 have played 80% or less of their teams Reg Season games. 7 of 10 have played less than 70%.

    Here are the Goalies and Reg Season Games played:
    2018 – FLEURY 46 ; HOLTBY 54
    2017 – MURRAY 49 ; RINNE 61
    2016 – FLEURY 58 ; JONES 65
    2015 – CRAWFORD 57 ; BISHOP 62
    2014 – QUICK 49 ; LUNDQVIST 57

    Average # of games during season for Cup Winning Goalie – 53.

    My point is, a well rested Starter heading into the Post Season may be more important than we think.

    Thoughts?

  18. Acumen says:

    anjinsan,

    If only Hall got us a Seguin and a Hamilton.

  19. Munny says:

    magicaleigh:
    The Leafs are eating 1.2 million a year of the Kessel contract.

    And it’s Magicaleigh delicious!

  20. russ99 says:

    jtblack:
    “All of that said, he’s a veteran hand and the team seems to have discipline and structure.”

    Discipline & Structure?Hmmmm… on a lot of nights I watched a tire fire for extended periods. I guess getting shutout on home ice 5 times (?)represents some type of Structure.

    And he did have the discipline to continually push “Black Holes” into positions of clear failure.LetestuLucic Cagguila.

    Its never 1 thing that contributes to a losing season.You can lay partial blame on Goalering, Coaching, Health & the GM.But for me, the Head Coach sits at the top of this list. The game is changing right before our eyes and guys like TMac seem late to the party.

    Our core is still very young. We can’t repeat mistakes of the past going from a similar coaching style to McLellan in Renney to a loose, players do what they want to coach like Krueger, then overcorrecting to an Eakins.

    McLellan was a bit too unbending and angry almost all of last year, but the new assistants will help to keep things looser and more dynamic within the base structure.

    The game may be changing, but systems still rule the day in the NHL and both sides of the ice are still important.

  21. Munny says:

    jtblack: Thoughts?

    Exclude games missed due to injury for your percentages.

    Keep in mind too that Holtby had essentially lost the starter role.

  22. dustrock says:

    Swedish Poster – thoughts on Marcus Karlberg?

    Wheeler likes him

  23. OriginalPouzar says:

    CONFIRMED via Oilers twitter::

    The #Oilers have hired Glen Gulutzan, Trent Yawney and Manny Viveiros as assistant coaches. Details: https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/release-oilers-name-gulutzan-yawney-and-viveiros-assistant-coaches/c-298789660

  24. Wonder Llama says:

    Coacelllla is fullll of (unoriginal) posers.

    Bonnaroo in lless than two weeks: Ron Gallllo, Alex Llahey, Sturgillll Simpson, Llarkin Poe, The Killllers, (and Broken Social Scene).

  25. Munny says:

    Wonder Llama: Broken Social Scene

    not Sociall?

  26. Wonder Llama says:

    Munny: not Sociall?

    I don’t know what you’re talking about.

  27. Munny says:

    Wonder Llama: I don’t know what you’re talking about.

    That’s because I was tallking. 😉

  28. Scungilli Slushy says:

    jtblack:
    GOALERING. COACHING. GAMES PLAYED BY STARTER.
    Any Correlation. This is just info but may be finding a pattern. Here goes:

    65+ games started = 80%+
    61+ games started = 75%+.

    In the last 10 years TMac has played his starting goalie in 80%+ of the games 6 seasons.75%+ in all 10 seasons.Hes never played his starter less than 75% of the games.

    Of the last 10 starting goalies in the Stanley Cup Final; 10 of 10 have played 80% or less of their teams Reg Season games.7 of 10 have played less than 70%.

    Here are the Goalies and Reg Season Games played:
    2018 – FLEURY 46 ; HOLTBY 54
    2017 – MURRAY 49 ; RINNE 61
    2016 – FLEURY 58 ; JONES 65
    2015 – CRAWFORD 57 ; BISHOP 62
    2014 – QUICK 49 ; LUNDQVIST 57

    Average # of games during season for Cup Winning Goalie – 53.

    My point is, a well rested Starter heading into the Post Season may be more important than we think.

    Thoughts?

    Injury must be a factor. Holtby was bad for stretches this year

  29. leadfarmer says:

    jtblack,

    I’m a firm believer that playing goalies more than 55 games in a season is a recipe for disaster unless just getting into the playoffs is your goal.

  30. Yeti says:

    danny:
    Kotkaniemi’s hunched over head-up agile skating style is very reminiscent of Doug Weight.

    I’m sold.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ20dBGDfS0

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7B2L4ft1Tdo

    Would love me some Kotkaniemi.
    The feeling seems to be he might be working his way into the top-ten. Be interesting to see who’s available if he does. Please keep the damned pick!

  31. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    I like the new hires for the most part.

    People I know connected to the WHL rave about Viveiros and compare him to current coaching favorite Gallant in his ability to get the most from his players.

    Also had a PP in SC that clocked it on 29.4% this year. Apparently its all about constant movement of all the players on the 5v4 and was described as “orchestrated chaos”

    I’ve liked Yawney since he coached Norfolk/Syracuse. He was head coach there when ANA was graduating 3 players to the NHL per year and great Dmen.

    Not sure about Gulutzan, haven’t examined his record too much. Seems a lot like McLellan from the first look.

    Overall a good day for Oiler fans.

  32. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    I like the new hires for the most part.

    People I know connected to the WHL rave about Viveiros and compare him to current coaching favorite Gallant in his ability to get the most from his players.

    Also had a PP in SC that clocked it on 29.4% this year.Apparently its all about constant movement of all the players on the 5v4 and was described as “orchestrated chaos”

    I’ve liked Yawney since he coached Norfolk/Syracuse.He was head coach there when ANA was graduating 3 players to the NHL per year and great Dmen.

    Not sure about Gulutzan, haven’t examined his record too much.Seems a lot like McLellan from the first look.

    Overall a good day for Oiler fans.

    Wait a minute…..

    All these hires are sh*t because Peter is s*ht and I can’t possible examine each move on its own individual merits.

  33. vinotintazo says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Wait a minute…..

    All these hires are sh*t because Peter is s*ht and I can’t possible examine each move on its own individual merits.

    That’s more like it!

    I just dont see how Viveiros can run a PP from upstairs. cant imagine them having a 4 coach bench.

  34. Cassandra says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Wait a minute…..

    All these hires are sh*t because Peter is s*ht and I can’t possible examine each move on its own individual merits.

    I can’t evaluate the moves on their individual merits, and yet I like the moves too. There was an interesting article at the Athletic on Byfuglien where Yawney showed very well. Plus, I am all in favour of hiring young, successful, coaches over tired retreads.

  35. Durag says:

    Sounds like all 3 men could be reasonably considered HC candidates. Pressure’s on, Todd!

  36. Scungilli Slushy says:

    vinotintazo: That’s more like it!

    I just dont see how Viveiros can run a PP from upstairs. cant imagine them having a 4 coach bench.

    J Bourne has a piece up at the Athletic about how hard it is to make changes once the season starts because time is so limited. So he probably wouldn’t be on the bench

  37. StixMalone says:

    Great day to be an oilers fan. Love the coaching changes with the exception of Gulutzan. Don’t really see what he adds to the equation. Maybe he can throw sticks around at practice? Dunno about him…

  38. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Yawney and especially Viv are great news. Gulatzan I don’t get. What is he good at or known for? Nothing comes to mind for me. Yes men, reins or people that think exactly the same as the HC probably aren’t a great choice if being progressive is valued, which PC mentioned.

    Perhaps they feel Gulatzan has the recent experience and free to speak his mind to McL

    ** friends nor reins

  39. jake70 says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    Yawney and especially Viv are great news. Gulatzan I don’t get. What is he good at or known for? Nothing comes to mind for me. Yes men, reinsor people that think exactly the same as the HC probably aren’t a great choice if being progressive is valued, which PC mentioned.

    Perhaps they feel Gulatzan has the recent experience and free to speak his mind to McL

    Gulutzan – this is strictly a Calgary intel hire. Oilers may not know they will do next year but want to make sure they go 5-0 against Calgary. 🙂

  40. Andy Dufresne says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    I like the new hires for the most part.

    People I know connected to the WHL rave about Viveiros and compare him to current coaching favorite Gallant in his ability to get the most from his players.

    Also had a PP in SC that clocked it on 29.4% this year.Apparently its all about constant movement of all the players on the 5v4 and was described as “orchestrated chaos”

    I’ve liked Yawney since he coached Norfolk/Syracuse.He was head coach there when ANA was graduating 3 players to the NHL per year and great Dmen.

    Not sure about Gulutzan, haven’t examined his record too much.Seems a lot like McLellan from the first look.

    Overall a good day for Oiler fans.

    Given the relative failure of Talbot, Montoya and Brossoit……what about a new goaltending coach??

  41. Andy Dufresne says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    I like the new hires for the most part.

    People I know connected to the WHL rave about Viveiros and compare him to current coaching favorite Gallant in his ability to get the most from his players.

    Also had a PP in SC that clocked it on 29.4% this year.Apparently its all about constant movement of all the players on the 5v4 and was described as “orchestrated chaos”

    I’ve liked Yawney since he coached Norfolk/Syracuse.He was head coach there when ANA was graduating 3 players to the NHL per year and great Dmen.

    Not sure about Gulutzan, haven’t examined his record too much.Seems a lot like McLellan from the first look.

    Overall a good day for Oiler fans.

    All of these guys would have had multiple offers/options…….We are blessed as Oilers fans to have an Owner with deep pockets…….Thank you Daryl Katz!

  42. godot10 says:

    Durag:
    Sounds like all 3 men could be reasonably considered HC candidates. Pressure’s on, Todd!

    Gulutzan, two time failure as an NHL head coach.

    Yawney, a one time failure as an NHL head coach. His AHL coaching record is rather meh. NHL percentage < 0.400. Not one AHL season over 0.600. Never went anywhere in the AHL playoffs.

  43. jtblack says:

    People I know connected to the WHL rave about Viveiros and compare him to current coaching favorite Gallant in his ability to get the most from his players. *******

    I believe Skinner said “he changed my life, not just hockey”. Pretty high praise

  44. Biggus Dickus says:

    I like the hires. If there is a power struggle, it seems like Chia is winning it. Would be nice to see the same things in management.

  45. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    Anecdote time:

    Friend of a friend put 400 on Vegas to win the cup before the season started.

    He just got a phone call from the Vegas betting office offering him 80k to settle up.

    He declined.

  46. rickithebear says:

    Giving a goalies save % means shit.

    In any situation we can define the expected avg and ranges for a player.

    You need reference.
    1. What is the save% mean established by HD shot density chart.
    You then define the goalies performance above or below it

    2.what is the true save% mean established by the open shot density chart.
    You then define the goalies true performance above or below it.

    What does a dman yeild relative the failings of the teams offence (CA)
    Cause an average starter will yield that base.
    Does the dman reduce penetration to his side.
    Does the dman reduce scorable corsi volume to his side.

    Does the offence have the ability to run NZ traps on failed sorties to prevent easy counters transition.
    Allowing dmen to press the blue for zone entry prevention.

    Do the forwards collapse to the perimeter

    You must score one more goal to win.
    You want the lowest ga base established by dmen and goalies relative to CA yeilded by offences performance.

  47. Andy Dufresne says:

    StixMalone:
    Great day to be an oilers fan. Love the coaching changes with the exception of Gulutzan. Don’t really see what he adds to the equation. Maybe he can throw sticks around at practice? Dunno about him…

    Agreed. GREAT Day for Oilers fans.

    On Gulutzan:

    If you dont like TMac, Babcock or Quenville, then you’re not likely to like Gulutzan. He shares alot of the coaching style of these guys. Over-reliance on Vets; Likes to roll four lines; etc

    If you like TMac you should like this scenario from a process point of view…..as Gulutzan is like a perfect right hand man to help Todd carry out his game plan.

    Sounds like Viveiros is going to be watching from the press box for the first two periods, sending info/in-game adjustments down to the bench in real time?…..before joining the bench for the 3rd period.

    Paul Coffee going to be a “roving” assistant ….spending time sporadically wherever needed.

    Great moves from Chiarelli. Substanial moves in effort to improve the team.

    Edit: IMO there will be some level of “addition by subtraction” as well…..I beleive there was some level of “discord/dislike” amongst the players with Jay Woodcroft

  48. hunter1909 says:

    Apathetic re McLellan at this point.

    Should Chiarelli give him a team worth contending with, we’ll see what he can do. Book says he’s a relatively unimaginative, cookie cutter style type who prefers ramming square pegs into round holes over optimizing performance relative to ability etc.

    I’d have sacked him after he blew that series to the Ducks.

  49. Andy Dufresne says:

    rickithebear:
    Giving a goalies save % means shit.

    In any situation we can define the expected avg and ranges for a player.

    You need reference.
    1. What is the save% mean established by HD shot density chart.
    You then define the goalies performance above or below it

    2.what is the true save% mean established by the open shot density chart.
    You then define the goalies true performance above or below it.

    What does a dman yeild relative the failings of the teams offence (CA)
    Cause an average starter will yield that base.
    Does the dman reduce penetration to his side.
    Does the dman reduce scorable corsi volume to his side.

    Does the offencehave the ability to run NZ traps on failed sorties to prevent easy counters transition.
    Allowing dmen to press the blue for zone entry prevention.

    Do the forwards collapse to the perimeter

    You must score one more goal to win.
    You want the lowest ga base established by dmen and goalies relative to CA yeilded by offences performance.

    Ricki,

    I know that none of these Dmen would make your team…..but if you had to choose ONE which of the following would you choose…..given that you had a reasonable core of 4 or 5 box style HD shot supression Dmen..

    Klefbom
    Barrie
    Krug

  50. dustrock says:

    Gulutzan’s historically had a good PK, right?

    I assume he’s doing PK work instead of Johnson.

  51. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    vinotintazo: That’s more like it!

    I just dont see how Viveiros can run a PP from upstairs. cant imagine them having a 4 coach bench.

    All the PP work is done in practice.

    During a conference call Todd said Manny would come down for the 3rd period and *might* experiment with a 4 man bench

  52. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    dustrock:
    Gulutzan’s historically had a good PK, right?

    I assume he’s doing PK work instead of Johnson.

    Todd mentioned Trent running the PK in ANA during the conference call (Stauffer is playing bits of the conference call on his show)

    Yawney = Dman & PK
    Viverios = PP & forwards
    Gulutzan = a bit of everything

    He said “everyone will be involved in special teams” but mentioned Viverios’ PP’s both in Europe and WHL.

  53. v4ance says:

    Talking with my super huge Flames fan boss, Gulutzan was guilty of doing some illogical personnel deployments like putting Troy Brower out on PP#1.

    On the other hand, looking deeper at the analytics, he said Gulutzan appeared to be able to get the Flames to play a style that had the team over 50% in HD chance % on 5v5.

    I haven’t confirmed that but if it’s true, he can possibly help McLellan develop a better 5v5 transition system other than “off the glass and out”

  54. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    I tweeted this:


    List of players who played under Yawney in his 3 years as an AHL HC that graduated to the NHL: (might not be complete)
    Patrick Maroon, Peter Holland, Kyle Palmeri, Nick Bonino, Sami Vatanen, Devante Smith-Pelly, Emmerson Etem, Chris Wagner, Hampus Lindholm and Rickard Rakell

    Its generally accepted that ANA drafts very well, but you have to think that Yawney had a hand in getting some of those players to the next level. Will be good to have him working for the team I cheer for.

    Pat Maroon’s brother chimed in with this:

    Phil Maroon
    ‏@phillyphilstl2

    I know Pat gives Coach Yawney all the credit on getting him from AHL to NHL.

    Stauffer just mentioned that Yawney was Dman coach for CHI when Keith, Seabrook and Bugfulien were developing.

    All good stuff.

  55. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Cassandra: I can’t evaluate the moves on their individual merits, and yet I like the moves too. There was an interesting article at the Athletic on Byfuglien where Yawney showed very well.Plus, I am all in favour of hiring young, successful, coaches over tired retreads.

    Me too.

  56. boneshj says:

    Réal Goudenyéu,

    Interesting. With all the money Las Vegas could be on the hook for should Vegas win, if there was ever an situation where some kind of shenanigans could happen, this would be it.

    Not saying it would happen, but for those who argue against gambling and sports as a risk to this type of stuff. I’d say this is one of the biggest examples to draw from proving that the systems in place either work or don’t work.

  57. Andy Dufresne says:

    Early Prediction:

    Oilers will get greatly improve Goaltending ( Talbot / Kostinen ) Thank you Chia

    Oilers will see a “dramatic” improvement in Powerplay (New Coaches NO Woodcroft) Thank you Chia

    Oilers will see incremental improvement in PK ( new coaches, health and goaltending )

    Oilers will see an incremental increase in scoring from Defense ( TBA* ) Thank you Chia

    Oilers will have two players finish in Top Ten scoring and Another in Top 20. 3 in top 20.

    Oilers will WIN the Pacific Division!!

    You heard it here first!
    .
    .
    .
    TBA* Please God….let it be Ryan Ellis.

  58. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Andy Dufresne: Given the relative failure of Talbot, Montoya and Brossoit……what about a new goaltending coach??

    Dustin Schwartz is very highly regarding in the goalie community was one of the originators of the now common “head tracking” philosophy/strategy.

    Also,

    Todd fixed the PK in late Jan.

    Talbot 4v5 SV% from Oct 1 – Jan 31 .802
    Talbot 4v5 SV% from Feb 1 – April 15 .876

    Talbot 5v5 SV% from Oct 1 – Jan 31 .920
    Talbot 5v5 SV% from Feb 1 – April 15 .914

    Talbot All Situation SV% from Oct 1 – Jan 31 .905
    Talbot All Situation SV% from Feb 1 – April 15 .910

    I’ve said over and over that the state of the PK and Dcorps was the key to the SV% last year.

    Talbot owns some of it, but not the majority

    One note about the 5v5 SV% from Feb 1 – April 15

    EDM 5v5 SV% with Sekera or Bear on ice .906
    EDM 5v5 SV% without Sekera or Bear on ice .923

    If the Dcorps is healthy I expect more 16/17 Talbot than 17/18 Talbot, especially if he doesn’t start 60+ games.

  59. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    godot10: Gulutzan, two time failure as an NHL head coach.

    Yawney, a one time failure as an NHL head coach.His AHL coaching record is rather meh. NHL percentage < 0.400.Not one AHL season over 0.600.Never went anywhere in the AHL playoffs.

    You should change your SN to “Ray of Sunshine”

  60. Ribs says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Also had a PP in SC that clocked it on 29.4% this year. Apparently its all about constant movement of all the players on the 5v4 and was described as “orchestrated chaos”

    I like the sound of this. Death to the static powerplay! Bob and weave, mofos! Bob and weave!

    McDavid is going to find sticks. It doesn’t matter how fast the guys are moving or where they are. Constant motion is going to give him more options.

  61. Andy Dufresne says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    I noticed watching the Memorial Cup that Stuart Skinners major strength was “head tracking”.

    It was like watching the head of a Cobra….Quite impressive to observe.

  62. Andy Dufresne says:

    Ribs: I like the sound of this. Death to the static powerplay! Bob and weave, mofos! Bob and weave!

    McDavid is going to find sticks. It doesn’t matter how fast the guys are moving or where they are. Constant motion is going to give him more options.

    I was excited to hear this as well…..first thing I thought of was McDavid, Nuge, Draisiatl, and even Strome and JP to a lesser degree.

    But I would also note that TMac systems try to achieve at least a “modest level” of chaos through an emphasis on High Shot Attempts

    Edit: and at the core of the chaos….staple Lucics ass to the front of the net (gotta get something/more out of this guy) He could be the eye of the storm.

  63. Andy Dufresne says:

    Woodguy v2.0: You should change your SN to “Ray of Sunshine”

    (Internal Chortling Laugh)…..(External Slow Clap)……*clap….clap…clap*

  64. OriginalPouzar says:

    This is exactly what I wanted to hear:

    “I’m looking to tweak the bottom six and on defence. I like the main group of our team.” Chiarelli #Oilers

  65. VOR says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Todd mentioned Trent running the PK in ANA during the conference call (Stauffer is playing bits of the conference call on his show)

    Yawney = Dman & PK
    Viverios = PP & forwards
    Gulutzan = a bit of everything

    He said “everyone will be involved in special teams” but mentioned Viverios’ PP’s both in Europe and WHL.

    For anyone who might be interested Gulutzan’s NHL PKs were 13th, 17th, 9th, 2nd, 17th, 15th and 7th.

    He was not only the best coach in the ECHL when he coached the Wranglers he was arguably the greatest coach in the history of the ECHL. The Wranglers under Gulutzan are the only ECHL to have had 3 straight 100 point seasons. In two years as an AHL coach he took the Texas Stars to the Calder Cup final once. He was over .600 career in both the ECHL and AHL.

    As an NHL coach he has been less effective but did have 4 straight seasons at .500 or better.

    He is known for:

    a) being a real player’s coach
    b) wigging out ala Tortorella for whom he once worked
    c) trying to run the same offensive set as the Penguins (he and Mike Sullivan worked together and talked strategy for years – both being obsessed with zone exits).
    d) making weird utterly illogical bench decisions
    e) playing vets over kids at the NHL level – though oddly enough not in Dallas anywhere nearly as much as in Calgary
    f) openly admitting he still has much to learn as an NHL coach

    There seems to be a consensus he was a great assistant coach in Vancouver, did a decent job with special teams and worked at length with their younger players.

    So a fascinating choice, presumably made because he is Todd’s friend and Todd felt he needed a Mini-me.

  66. Andy Dufresne says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    This is exactly what I wanted to hear:

    “I’m looking to tweak the bottom six and on defence. I like the main group of our team.” Chiarelli #Oilers

    Hes a VERY smart guy. ( who has made at least a couple of devastating decisions)

  67. v4ance says:

    VOR,

    Thanks VOR… this summarizes the feedback I was getting from my boss but in much more comprehensive and succinct terms!

  68. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Yawney on now with Stauffer

  69. N64 says:

    Bad start and they have 2 guys from Hudson Bay SK (pop. 1504) with 294 and 103 games NHL head coaching. Continuity with Todd or continuity without Todd. Players decide.

  70. Melvis says:

    Woot Woot Woot Woot !!!!

    Gwen Stefani No Doubt – Hella Good

    Drinks on me boys. Smoothies for those who eschew the demon liquor

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtTj4cramPM

    Sheesh…Billy Jean groove an’ all.

  71. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Jason Gregor

    @JasonGregor

    McLellan said ST units will be collaboration, but Yawney will focus on PK and D. Viveiros and Gulutzan will work on PP, and Gulutzan will help in all facets. To start 3 coaches on bench, Viveiros will join bench in 3rd period. Will see how it goes, could morph to 4 on bench. #Oil

    That’s from McLellan’s conference call.

  72. Andy Dufresne says:

    One thing for sure…….it will be MUCH easier this year for the team/org to “manage expectations”

  73. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Ribs: I like the sound of this. Death to the static powerplay! Bob and weave, mofos! Bob and weave!

    McDavid is going to find sticks. It doesn’t matter how fast the guys are moving or where they are. Constant motion is going to give him more options.

    I would have McDavid do laps around the ozone as fast as he can and then hit the open seam.

    Hehe

  74. Melvis says:

    OK…So I pooched the lyrics. Now back to the regularly scheduled programming.

  75. Wonder Llama says:

    I like Yawney.

    I think he’s a good compromise between Yanny and Llaurel.

    * slinks away in shame *

  76. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Réal Goudenyéu:
    Anecdote time:

    Friend of a friend put 400 on Vegas to win the cup before the season started.

    He just got a phone call from the Vegas betting office offering him 80k to settle up.

    He declined.

    Daaamn son…

    Playing Deal or No Deal against Vegas head office be ballsy!

    Imagine standing next to Howie Mandel:

    “Will you Take the deal, and walk away now with $80k, or risk it all, for your chance at $200k!!!

    Deal? Or No Deal?”

  77. OriginalPouzar says:

    McLellan’s unwillingness to line match is my biggest issue with his coaching style.

    I get it, he thinks McDavid should be able to win any match-up so he’s fine with him going against the oppositions choice of competition (which should allow easier matchups for the other lines), however, every once in a while, it would be nice to take advantage of some matchups and get him away from the best.

  78. hunter1909 says:

    Melvis:
    Woot Woot Woot Woot !!!!

    Gwen Stefani No Doubt – Hella Good

    Drinks on me boys. Smoothies for those who eschew the demon liquor

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtTj4cramPM

    Sheesh…Billy Jean groove an’ all.

    That’s some of the best bad music I’ve ever heard.

  79. Yeti says:

    Melvis:
    Woot Woot Woot Woot !!!!

    Gwen Stefani No Doubt – Hella Good

    Drinks on me boys. Smoothies for those who eschew the demon liquor

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtTj4cramPM

    Sheesh…Billy Jean groove an’ all.

    I might be missing context here, but does this mean that Gwen Stefani is running the PP or heading up the PK? I’m cool with either.

  80. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Stauffer playing Chiarelli’s comments on Viveiros now

  81. dustrock says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    I tweeted this:


    List of players who played under Yawney in his 3 years as an AHL HC that graduated to the NHL: (might not be complete)
    Patrick Maroon, Peter Holland, Kyle Palmeri, Nick Bonino, Sami Vatanen, Devante Smith-Pelly, Emmerson Etem, Chris Wagner, Hampus Lindholm and Rickard Rakell


    Its generally accepted that ANA drafts very well, but you have to think that Yawney had a hand in getting some of those players to the next level.Will be good to have him working for the team I cheer for.

    Pat Maroon’s brother chimed in with this:

    Phil Maroon
    ‏@phillyphilstl2


    I know Pat gives Coach Yawney all the credit on getting him from AHL to NHL.

    Stauffer just mentioned that Yawney was Dman coach for CHI when Keith, Seabrook and Bugfulien were developing.

    All good stuff.

    Believe Yawney also worked in SJ with Old Man Blake, Boyle, career years from Error Hoff & Murray, and first years of Vlasic & Demers.

  82. OriginalPouzar says:

    I would look more towards, I wouldn’t call them minor moves but not major moves – Peter Chiarelli

    MONEY!

  83. Melvis says:

    hunter1909: That’s some of the best bad music I’ve ever heard.

    Yeti: I might be missing context here, but does this mean that Gwen Stefani is running the PP or heading up the PK? I’m cool with either.

    Fire emall. Start with the Rogers Place dj. Open the new season and the first game with this ditty.

    In my playbook, Gwen Stefani can run whatever the hell she wants.

    The Oilers Dir Coms script for all these coaches.

    “We goin’ lay down this groove…and then we goin’ play like a starling murmuration on top of it.”

  84. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    VOR,

    Thanks for that.

  85. Munny says:

    Melvis,

    I thought maybe it would be from this decade or perhaps even the last decade… lol!

  86. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    McLellan’s unwillingness to line match is my biggest issue with his coaching style.

    I get it, he thinks McDavid should be able to win any match-up so he’s fine with him going against the oppositions choice of competition (which should allow easier matchups for the other lines), however, every once in a while, it would be nice to take advantage of some matchups and get him away from the best.

    Here’s McDavid’s TOI vs the 3 WoodMoney bins of QoC from last year:
    Elite 37%
    Middle 38%
    Gritensity 24%

    Not sure how that lines up vs other “top line” guys. (I use WM mostly to look at Dmen)

    Also,

    I’m home today and working on things at the computer so if anyone want any player’s (EDM or otherwise) TOI% vs the WoodMoney bins from last year I can pull it up pretty quick.

    Ask away!

  87. Bling says:

    Great hires today by Chia.

    All of these guys have excellent track records. Oilers might have the deepest coaching staff in the NHL.

    I’m very excited to have a new D whisperer (Yawney). The last assistant we had like that was Huddy, and Yawney has an even better track record. As good as Klefbom/Larsson/Nurse are now, I think all three have more to give.

    Can’t wait to see what MV does with the PP. With the exception of two years ago, there has not been nearly enough movement on the Oilers PP dating back to the Hemsky years (not knocking 83, wonderful player).

    I think all three guys are probably a bit more new wave than McLellan, in terms of being more positive and open with players.

    Also, I like Chia’s comments on roster construction. Tweak the bottom six and the D.

  88. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    dustrock: Believe Yawney also worked in SJwith Old Man Blake, Boyle, career years from Error Hoff & Murray, and first years of Vlasic & Demers.

    Anyone who could get a career year from Cement Boots Murray is a magician.

  89. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I would look more towards, I wouldn’t call them minor moves but not major moves – Peter Chiarelli

    MONEY!

    Yeah, I was pretty happy that he said that.

    If all Peter does is this coaching change and make some smaller smart bets this summer it will be the first summer since he’s been GM that I’ve agreed with his moves.

    Is our children learning?

  90. VOR says:

    I want to take a moment and see if I can add a little additional colour to the Stanley Cup Finals.

    This story is about the web of relationships that lies behind one of the key on ice facts about the Las Vegas Golden Knights.

    The central character in all these relationships is not a famous jock. In fact most of you have probably never heard his name. But he is, without a doubt, the greatest goalie scout of all time.

    I bet you didn’t know there are scouts who focus exclusively on goaltenders.

    There are. And think how important a great one might be to a team’s success.

    Now imagine that scout also was the real thing. A genuine, bona fide, goalie whisperer. Casual fans may not have known his name but every NHL GM did.

    Then one day the game of hockey changed and the hang loose and play aggressive as hell style the goalie whisperer drafted and taught fell out of favor and he ended up out of hockey.

    For those of you who don’t know, super tight movements, intense focus, and techniques like head tracking and eye training have become the keystones of modern goalie coaching. The goalie whisperer thought and thinks this is all meaningless bull shit. He also isn’t at all hesitant to say so. He utterly refused to change his coaching style or modernize. This is how he ended up out of hockey all together.

    Four years later he was all but forgotten and then over the course of just a few months everything changed.

    The NHL awarded a hockey franchise to Las Vegas and scheduled an expansion draft.

    The goalie of the Pittsburgh Penguins. Marc-Andre Fleury began debating if he should wave his NMC. He reached out to his agent, his family and his friends. One of those friends, one of those who told him yes, go for it, wave your no move was a former goalie named Chris Osgood.

    Now there was a point where Chris Osgood, like Marc-Andre Fleury had to make a choice. He famously accepted a trade to Detroit. Guess who was the goalie coach in Detroit? Yup, the goalie whisperer.

    Another thing that happened was that George MacPhee got named the first ever GM of Vegas. He and the goalie whsiperer grew up together in Guelph. And when MacPhee became GM in Washington he hired his friend who was at the time working (I think) as the goalie scout for Central Scouting. And the goalie whisperer made MacPhee look like a genius by whispering in the ear of a talented but erratic goalie named Olaf Kolzig.

    The goalie whsiperer also drafted players like Seymon Varlamov, Michael Neuvirth, and Philipp Grubauer for Washington (in a later post I will list all the goalies he has identified, drafter, or coached or all three. It is an incredible list.)

    So you’d think MacPhee’s first call when he got the GM job in Vegas would have been his old friend the goalie whisperer. But no. You’d think as soon as he found out Marc-Andre Fleury had waived he would have made the call. Late mid-career goaltender with consistency issues needs coach. Who better than the man who took Chris Osgood and Olaf Kolzig and turned them into stars? But no.

    The story goes Geroge MacPhee wanted to talk to Marc-Andre Fleury first. Fleury was asked what coach he wanted. He asked his closest friends in the goal tending profession, Chris Osgood and Olaf Kolzig, who he should ask for as a coach and they of course said, “David Prior”.

    And so the circle was completed. The two kids from Guelph were re-united and Marc-Andre Fleury got a chance to work with a goalie whisperer.

    How much credit should David Prior (properly the Director of Goaltending for the Las Vegas Golden Knights) get for what happened next?

    Who knows. Maybe Prior is really a dinosaur and hopelessly out of touch with modern goaltending practice.

    All we can say is Marc-Andre Fleury is on fire and he is coached by a golaie whisperer named David Prior.

    And if things go as they well might the guy at the other end of the ice would also be a Prior goaltender, Philipp Grubauer.

    I am a strong believer in all the modern approaches (eye training, head tracking, etc). I find it interesting that it is a dinosaur who holds one of the most innovative jobs in hockey. As Director of Goaltending Prior is responsible for scouting goal tenders, developing goal tenders, creating training programs for goal tenders, and coaching goal tenders. There have been rumors he is even responsible for contract negotiations with goal tenders.

    I am tempted to say that it just goes to show the NHL is still an old boy’s club where who you know is more important than what you can bring to the table. But Prior has such an incredible resume. I think maybe the correct question is: what is it Prior knows that other goal tending coaches and scouts don’t? And how good could he be if he moved with the times?

  91. bendelson says:

    Melvis:
    Woot Woot Woot Woot !!!!

    Gwen Stefani No Doubt – Hella Good

    Drinks on me boys. Smoothies for those who eschew the demon liquor

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtTj4cramPM

    Sheesh…Billy Jean groove an’ all.

    Melvis, Melvis, Melvis…
    There is no doubt the ‘clues’ provided were hella bad.

  92. YKOil says:

    Have always viewed Huddy and Yawney as the class of the field re: coaching defensemen. Very excited about this. When Huddy left a part of me died my heart sank re:: this team because losing staff like that is never a good thing.

    Also excited about Vivieros.

    Can’t say either way re: Gulutzan but the emphasis on coaches that have a track record of success re: player development and working with players could make a huge difference for this team.

    Am wondering – have we ever had a good goalie coach?

    Happy with today.

  93. dustrock says:

    VOR,

    Fascinating.

    If succeeding in pro sports is 90% mental and 10% physical, maybe he finds guys who are resilient and who he thinks he can work with.

  94. Munny says:

    VOR,

    I think I love you.

  95. Munny says:

    Munny,

    That’s The Partridge Famiiy, if anyone’s wondering…

  96. Andy Dufresne says:

    Woodguy v2.0,
    JP and Klefbom please

  97. Yeti says:

    VOR: And the goalie whisperer made MacPhee look like a genius by whispering in the ear of a talented but erratic goalie named Olaf Kolzig.

    Great story (again!). Given the ‘goalies are voodoo’ meme, I’d perhaps suggest that goalie whisperers be known as Houngans (male voodoo priests) or Mambos (for females).

  98. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    VOR,

    Very cool story.

    I was listening to Kevin Woodley (In Goal Magazine- great guest on Gregor’s show all the time) and he had mentioned one of the things that Fluery changed in the last few years was cutting down on the flopping and having a much more calm body, and more “head tracking”

    There is no question that Fleury was a huge reason that PIT didn’t win a few more Cup in the early part of this decade, he was atrocious in the playoffs for a few years: 09/10 .891, 10/11 .899, 11/12 .844, 12/13 .883 just to start.

    That said, his turn around (which started 3 years ago in PIT) has been phenomenal

    Full props to him for rebuilding his game.

    I bet getting away from Letang was good for his SV% too. 🙂

  99. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Woodguy v2.0,
    JP and Klefbom please

    JP
    Elite 27
    Middle 44
    Gritensity 29

    Klefbom
    Elite 32
    Middle 39
    Gritensity 29

  100. --hudson-- says:

    I still remember the own goal by Fleury in the under 20 wjhc, bouncing in off Patrick O’Sullivan. Or his first Stanley cup game where he fell coming on to the ice in game 1 2008. Always nice to hear a story of a player finding redemption (unless he plays for the godless Flames).

  101. Dustylegnd says:

    Réal Goudenyéu:
    Anecdote time:

    Friend of a friend put 400 on Vegas to win the cup before the season started.

    He just got a phone call from the Vegas betting office offering him 80k to settle up.

    He declined.

    Crazy Pedestrian: Daaamn son…

    Playing Deal or No Deal against Vegas head office be ballsy!

    Imagine standing next toHowie Mandel:

    “Will you Take the deal, and walk away now with$80k, or risk it all, for your chance at $200k!!!

    Deal? Or No Deal?”

    The proper way to deal with this good fortune is as follows….take 100K and bet it on the Capitals…if the Caps win, your buddy nets 115K due to the +115 under dog uplift….

    if Vegas wins, your buddy is paid 200K on his initial bet and walks away with net 100K accounting for the loss on his 100K Caps bet….. which is still 20K better than the douche bags in Vegas offered to “Buy him out”….

    Beg borrow or steal to get the 100K to put on The Caps….or if he is already wealthy and 200K or 115K both mean shit to him…..let it ride and donate the winnings to charity….

  102. Richard S.S. says:

    The only times the Oilers should trade Oscar Klefbom is:
    1) When there is a solid upgrade at his position available in-house; or,
    2) When the Player(s) coming back is a solid upgrade at his position.
    Otherwise let him play with Adam Larsson, they make a solid number one pairing.

  103. Andy Dufresne says:

    Woodguy v2.0: JP
    Elite27
    Middle44
    Gritensity29

    Klefbom
    Elite32
    Middle39
    Gritensity29

    Thank You Sir.

    By the way you asked for a source on my “Montreal planning to offer sheet Draisaitl” comments…..and I searched high and low….and found NO sources.

    Literally dozens of well know media people speculating and suggesting….but no source for an actual offer being close.

    Two things from French media spoke to Bergeron clearing enough cap space and having the right assets/picks in place, but there was a clear quote from a source inside the organization stating that while the Canadiens management discussed the idea of an offer sheet, they clearly nixed the idea before it got passed the discussion stage. Meaning/Implying that they never considered it as a serious option.

    This was interpreted by google translate, so the wording may be a little off, but the just of it was clear….no serious concideration of actioning an offer sheet.

  104. hunter1909 says:

    bendelson: Melvis, Melvis, Melvis…
    There is no doubt the ‘clues’ provided were hella bad.

    How’s about this: Blonde gyrating to “fuck beat” with Kevin Costner’s Waterworld set department supplying the background might provide clues.

  105. Melvis says:

    bendelson,

    So I was out a few years – and a few lyrics. One can’t underestimate the power of a brainllock.

    “Barkeep, cut this Bendelson guy off. He gnaws the hand that holds the tab.”

  106. RonnieB says:

    Dustylegnd:
    The proper way to deal with this good fortune is as follows….take 100K and bet it on the Capitals…if the Caps win, your buddy nets 115K due to the +115 under dog uplift….

    if Vegas wins, your buddy is paid 200K on his initial bet and walks away with net 100K accounting for the loss on his 100K Caps bet….. which is still 20K better than the douche bags in Vegas offered to “Buy him out”….

    Beg borrow or steal to get the 100K to put on The Caps….or if he is already wealthy and 200K or 115K both mean shit to him…..let it ride and donate the winnings to charity….

    He could have done what Chia would have done, which is to accept their first offer.
    OR: Since Vegas has VGK as the betting favorite they were obviously low-balling him. He could have negotiated with them. For example, offer to sell them 50% of the ticket for $50k and let the other 50% ride, while also suggesting they might want to give him another call after the Knights win Game 1.

  107. Dustylegnd says:

    RonnieB,

    Vegas as the betting favourite is a dream for the people long Vegas at the 500-1 level…they are getting paid to lock in their profits via the Caps bet

  108. Munny says:

    Melvis:
    bendelson,

    So I was out a few years – and a few lyrics. One can’t underestimate the power of a brainllock.

    “Barkeep, cut this Bendelson guy off. He gnaws the handthat holds the tab.”

    Actually, I’m dying to know how you figured it out.

  109. Jethro Tull says:

    hunter1909: That’s some of the best bad music I’ve ever heard.

    Gavin Rossdale was No Doubt’s Yoko Ono.

  110. Lowetide says:

    For The Athletic: Oilers hire three new coaches, receive positive reaction

    https://theathletic.com/368660/2018/05/25/lowetide-oilers-hire-three-new-coaches-receive-positive-reaction/

  111. Munny says:

    Lowetide: receive positive reaction

    Lol… the actual news!

  112. Richard S.S. says:

    Last year was Darnell Nurse’s first full season, giving him just over 200 NHL games for his career. Despite all the opinions about Nurse, no one knows how good he is, including Darnell. By now we should know if he’s a number one D?

  113. bendelson says:

    Melvis:
    bendelson,

    So I was out a few years – and a few lyrics. One can’t underestimate the power of a brainllock.

    “Barkeep, cut this Bendelson guy off. He gnaws the handthat holds the tab.”

    I halted my futile search when I found my way to the E-Girls ‘Dance, Dance, Dance’.
    One can only sacrifice so much…

  114. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Andy Dufresne: Thank You Sir.

    By the way you asked for a source on my “Montreal planning to offer sheet Draisaitl” comments…..and I searched high and low….and found NO sources.

    Literally dozens of well know media people speculating and suggesting….but no source for an actual offer being close.

    Two things from French media spoke to Bergeron clearing enough cap space and having the right assets/picks in place, but there was a clear quote from a source inside the organization stating that while the Canadiens management discussed the idea of an offer sheet, they clearly nixed the idea before it got passed the discussion stage. Meaning/Implying that they never considered it as a serious option.

    This was interpreted by google translate, so the wording may be a little off, but the just of it was clear….no serious concideration of actioning an offer sheet.

    I appreciate that.

    The way the media is today, if an offer sheet was presented to Drai (but not signed) it would have got out.

    Too many moles in too many spots for something that huge not to get out.

    Peter peddling the “offer sheet preparedness” story as a reason to trade Eberle pissed me off.

    I guess he assumes the fans don’t know you can exceed the cap in the summer.

    I think it was figured that even without trading Eberle he could have matched 14MM and been under the cap and 20MM with the summer overage.

  115. Dustylegnd says:

    Richard S.S.,
    How long did it take people to figure out Doughty and Carlson were #1…..less than 2 seasons…..Duncan Keith,Headman a bit longer…Big Buff and Burns (assuming Burns is a #1) even longer…after stints as forwards….Chara took a long long long time to present himself as a #1….only generational players present early

    I would say there is still a chance Darnell could be a #1 by 27

  116. Munny says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Does that further impair the return for Eberle?

    Strong chance it does.

  117. Yeti says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Here’s McDavid’s TOI vs the 3 WoodMoney bins of QoC from last year:
    Elite 37%
    Middle 38%
    Gritensity 24%

    Pfft. Does your phone hold the WoodMoneys for Gwen Stefani or what?

  118. hunter1909 says:

    Richard S.S.:
    Last year was Darnell Nurse’s first full season, giving him just over 200 NHL games for his career.Despite all the opinions about Nurse, no one knows how good he is, including Darnell.By now we should know if he’s a number one D?

    Nurse got hurt. Then he came back and held back a lot – i figured at the time he was taking it slowly with himself.

    That was the year before. Last season’s disaster even Paul Coffey couldn’t just step up to and fix. Nurse was and remains highly scrutinized. I’m somewhat of a betting man. I’d be ecstatic to get 50/50 odds on whether or not Nurse blows the doors off at training camp etc.

  119. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Peter interview on Gregor’s show right away

  120. hunter1909 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Peter peddling the “offer sheet preparedness” story as a reason to trade Eberle pissed me off.
    I guess he assumes the fans don’t know you can exceed the cap in the summer.

    Reciprocally the fans assume Chiarelli knows what he’s talking about.

  121. meanashell11 says:

    hunter1909:
    Apathetic re McLellan at this point.

    Should Chiarelli give him a team worth contending with, we’ll see what he can do. Book says he’s a relatively unimaginative, cookie cutter style type who prefers ramming square pegs into round holes over optimizing performance relative to ability etc.

    I’d have sacked him after he blew that series to the Ducks.

    I completely agree with the square peg, round hole point.

    He is so attached to his system he does not care that he has the best player in hockey, McD hasto adjust to his “system. It is total bull shit.

  122. meanashell11 says:

    Yeti: I might be missing context here, but does this mean that Gwen Stefani is running the PP or heading up the PK? I’m cool with either.

    I’m cool with anything she is heading up…..

  123. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Dustylegnd,

    – thanks dusty – managing money I was going to bite my tounge. But you have to lock down that gain.

    – you’ve got guaranteed money. Hedge it out. Take the other side and get paid.

  124. PunjabiOil says:

    Given how much Peter Chiarelli gets chastised, it’s only fair he gets praise for nailing the hires at assistant coach. It does not mean his work has stopped – but it’s a good start

    With special teams being such a factor in the NHL these days – it’s refreshing the hires have track records in that regard.

    Gulutzan had hiccups but at the same time had too 10 corsi teams in his time in Calgary.

    This was a good day for the organization.

    As Lowetide says, “I’m going to have a beer. And then I’m having another”

  125. jtblack says:

    Dustylegnd:
    Richard S.S.,
    How long did it take people to figure out Doughty and Carlson were #1…..less than 2 seasons…..Duncan Keith,Headman a bit longer…Big Buff and Burns (assuming Burns is a #1) even longer…after stints as forwards….Chara took a long long long time to present himself as a #1….only generational players present early

    I would say there is still a chance Darnell could be a #1 by 27

    Keep Dreamin’ …. You might try and move the goalposts as to what constitutes a #1 .. if it makes you feel better. No chance Darnell ever is a 50 – 65 point; 26 Minute a night, all situations D man. He has never shiwn enough Offense as far back as junior

    Can he be a really good shut down guy @ 27. Sure. Buts thats his ceiling.

  126. VOR says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    VOR,

    Very cool story.

    I was listening to Kevin Woodley (In Goal Magazine- great guest on Gregor’s show all the time) and he had mentioned one of the things that Fluery changed in the last few years was cutting down on the flopping and having a much more calm body, and more “head tracking”

    There is no question that Fleury was a huge reason that PIT didn’t win a few more Cup in the early part of this decade, he was atrocious in the playoffs for a few years: 09/10 .891, 10/11 .899, 11/12 .844, 12/13 .883 just to start.

    That said, his turn around (which started 3 years ago in PIT) has been phenomenal

    Full props to him for rebuilding his game.

    I bet getting away from Letang was good for his SV% too.

    I have now found eleven media reports about the relationship between Prior and Fleury and none of them give any insight into what exactly Prior has goalies do. The closes was Prior saying if the goalie works the program he set up they end up having greater confidence. That is it.

    Apparently none of his goalies have ever said what he had them do. Which is quite amazing. I can find articles with Kolzig and Osgood talking in generalities but no specifics. You’d think by now it would be common knowledge. But it isn’t.

    I only know second hand what he looks for when he is drafting goalies. He said he’ll do an interview when he is retired.

    Mr. Prior is one secretive dinosaur.

  127. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Munny:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    Does that further impair the return for Eberle?

    Strong chance it does.

    No, it doesn’t imo.

    He’s a top 30 NHLer 5v5 in many respects and the return for him was poor.

  128. jtblack says:

    Completely onboard with the coaching choices.

    There is no cap on office staff; so although we applaud owners that “spend to the Cap” ; the first thing I would do if owned a team was double my spending on the following 3 areas.
    1 – HOCKEY OPS (All Levels)
    2 – COACHING (asst’s, video, training, psychological, etcl)
    3 – SCOUTING

    IMHO, in most businesses prople are asked to do too much and become taken away from their core responsibities. More staff, with the proper role distribution and structure, allows everybody to best do the most Important part of their job.

    SELLERS SELL
    SOCIAL MEDIA PPL TWEET
    GM’S GM
    SCOUTS WATCH TALENT
    ETC……

  129. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Melvis:
    bendelson,

    So I was out a few years – and a few lyrics. One can’t underestimate the power of a brainllock.

    “Barkeep, cut this Bendelson guy off. He gnaws the handthat holds the tab.”

    Fuck Bendelson and people who look like him is what I always say.

  130. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    RonnieB: He could have done what Chia would have done, which is to accept their first offer.
    OR: Since Vegas has VGK as the betting favorite they were obviously low-balling him. He could have negotiated with them. For example, offer to sell them 50% of the ticket for $50k and let the other 50% ride, while also suggesting they might want to give him another call after the Knights win Game 1.

    Based on Peter’s negotiations caught on camera with Nill regarding Seguin he’d offer a 80% return to buy out.

  131. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    VOR: I have now found eleven media reports about the relationship between Prior and Fleury and none of them give any insight into what exactly Prior has goalies do. The closes was Prior saying if the goalie works the program he set up they end up having greater confidence. That is it.

    Apparently none of his goalies have ever said what he had them do. Which is quite amazing. I can find articles with Kolzig and Osgood talking in generalities but no specifics. You’d think by now it would be common knowledge. But it isn’t.

    I only know second hand what he looks for when he is drafting goalies. He said he’ll do an interview when he is retired.

    Mr. Prior is one secretive dinosaur.

    Any goalie whisperer is worth their weight in gold.

    Hockey is actually Mostly Goalie.

  132. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Yeti: Pfft. Does your phone hold the WoodMoneys for Gwen Stefani or what?

    Gwen controls her own QoC and given here success I don’t question it.

  133. godot10 says:

    jtblack:
    Completely onboard with the coaching choices.

    There is no cap on office staff; so although we applaud owners that “spend to the Cap” ; the first thing I would do if owned a team was double my spending on the following 3 areas.
    1 – HOCKEY OPS (All Levels)
    2 – COACHING (asst’s, video, training, psychological, etcl)
    3 – SCOUTING

    IMHO, in most businesses prople are asked to do too much and become taken away from their core responsibities.More staff, with the proper role distribution and structure, allows everybody to best do the most Important part of their job.

    SELLERS SELL
    SOCIAL MEDIA PPL TWEET
    GM’S GM
    SCOUTS WATCH TALENT
    ETC……

    More doesn’t always mean better.

    Belichick has one of the smallest front office staff in the NFL.

  134. hunter1909 says:

    godot10: More doesn’t always mean better.

    Belichick has one of the smallest front office staff in the NFL.

    My initial thought was something along the lines of “Oilers are making sure they have as many brains as possible”…then visualized that scene in Orson Welle’s The Trial where the protagonist is confronted by what feels like a stadium full of hostile witnesses.

  135. hunter1909 says:

    Incredible finals storyline: 1st year team tries to defeat team led by one of the elite players in the game.

    I hope Ovi win this, but Vegas are an outstanding team. Still, I can’t help but think the pumpkins and mice return for the Nevadans.

    I’m sick of Ovi being dissed, so I’ll cheer for the Caps.

  136. stephen sheps says:

    Melvis,

    A little late to the party, but thanks for the shoutout yesterday. We’ll figure out a music related bat signal eventually!

    “Keep on Dancing” might have been the clue. I searched a whole bunch of contemporary pop songs this morning when I should have been working on my conference paper, but nothing seemed to quite hit your description. I didn’t appreciate the pure pop bliss of that track when it came out, but at the time I was in my early 20s and listening to far too much punk and metal to allow myself the space for such things, primarily because that was the kind of music I was writing (poorly – very poorly). Plus it was so ubiquitous for a while that even if I didn’t want to hear it, it still earwormed into my brain.

    It’s funny – you’d think as a younger person I would have had space for pop music in my life and become more rigid and loyal to genres as I age. In fact it was quite the opposite. Late teens/early 20s I was probably at my least open minded (guitar rock, and maybe some rap provided that the lyrics had depth and it felt like the production was more organic and indebted to jazz/soul but nothing more). Now? Well… give me all the things, even pop music and electronic music and country.

    Wonder Llama: Bonnaroo in lless than two weeks: Ron Gallllo, Alex Llahey, Sturgillll Simpson, Llarkin Poe, The Killllers, (and Broken Social Scene).

    Not attending Bonnaroo while I was living an hour away was one of my biggest disappointments about my year in Tennessee. Unfortunately it was the same weekend as the sociology of sport conference, and after careful deliberation, I decided that a paid trip to Budapest to talk about hockey was better than a music festival. I know I made the right decision, but it was a more difficult choice than you’d think.

    Apropos of Broken Social Scene, I saw them again last night at the ‘Budweiser Stage’ (the amphitheatre at Ontario Place for those of you who don’t know Toronto). They’re just incredible live, especially for hometown shows where any given member of entire extended BSS family can just sort of saunter on to the stage, pick up a guitar and make some beautiful noise and then saunter off. At one point I think there was like 17 of ’em up there, so many guitars, even a 5 piece horn section. Only missing pieces from the extended family were Feist and Emily Haines, but I didn’t really miss them. Great show.

    —-

    New coaching hires seem good. Manny seems like a very smart, out of the box kind of choice, which is shocking given the (mis)management team’s track record. No real complaints. That’s all I’ve got w.r.t this bit of Oilers news.

  137. RonnieB says:

    Dustylegnd,

    Dustylegnd:
    RonnieB,

    Vegas as the betting favourite is a dream for the people long Vegas at the 500-1 level…they are getting paid to lock in their profits via the Caps bet

    Yes. I understood your post. Not everyone has $100,000 U.S. sitting around.

    I was simply laying out another possible option.

  138. jtblack says:

    godot10: More doesn’t always mean better.

    Belichick has one of the smallest front office staff in the NFL.

    The game is evolving.

    30 years ago – 1 HC 2 AC . Roger Nielsen is coined “Captain Video”
    15 years ago – 1 HC 2 AC 1 VC. Analytics is in its infancy.
    5 years ago – Dubas hired into Leafs front office https://www.google.com/amp/s/ca.sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/maple-leafs-hiring-kyle-dubas-an-assault-on-old-boys-network-162114598.html

    Today – All teams use multiple coaches, use video daily and anaalyze each player individually and give feedback the next day. My Midget AAA team does this.

    5 years from now – Puck tracking technology, more readily avail analytics, & other progressions.

    You cannot keep adding technology without adding bodies. IE: TMac is not being the head coach, showing each player video next day, coaching practice, etc etc …
    The Times; They are a changin’

  139. RonnieB says:

    jtblack: Keep Dreamin’ ….You might try and move the goalposts as to what constitutes a #1 .. if it makes you feel better. No chance Darnell ever is a 50 – 65 point; 26 Minute a night, all situations D man.He has never shiwn enough Offense as far back as junior

    Can he be a really good shut down guy @ 27.Sure.Buts thats his ceiling.

    If his ceiling is anywhere near Marc-Edouard Vlasic I think the Oilers would be pretty happy.

  140. jtblack says:

    RonnieB: If his ceiling is anywhere near Marc-Edouard Vlasic I think the Oilers would be pretty happy.

    I agree 100%. You probably just cherry picked the best shutdown D man of the last 4 years. Limited Offense and not in the Category of any player named in the original post.

    If the original post said I could see Darnell with a ceiling as a top pairing shutdown guy, maybe as high as Vlasic; I would have agreed

    But the names were All World, All around D men who deliver the O. Not Nurse ever.

  141. digger50 says:

    We had a good end of season discussion about coaching (here at the lowetide) Or maybe about 300 discussions. One of the main points being the biggest improvement for this team should come from a coaching change. Change the coaching strategy, rethink special teams ect…. watch the performance s turn around.

    As things worked out, we did not replace Tmac but looks like the next best thing. Even Woodcroft in Bakersfield May help us. Have to view it as a big win today and let’s see it play out.

    Coaches – check

    Now it’s all about Peters summer. You think he was being honest with his “tweaks” comments? He has to see it makes a lot of sense. But has he given up the idea of trading #10? I doubt it.

    And has he given up the idea (even mentioned by Booby Nicks) of acquiring a top defenceman? I doubt it .

    I think he’s setting expectations. He still should be and hopefully is, looking high and low for opportunity. If he finds it great, if it’s good pull the trigger, otherwise sit tight. So although I think he’s bluffing a bit, it’s still the right move.

  142. stephen sheps says:

    So here’s something that just occurred to me, and if I missed it in an earlier thread I’m sorry, but has anyone thought about the fact that GMGM essentially built both teams in the cup finals? Obviously he left the caps 4 years ago but that core of homegrown talent are all McPhee draft picks and their current GM was GMGM’s right hand for nearly a decade.

    I know McPhee was deservedly ripped on for that Forsberg for Erat trade (though to an Oilers fan that’s just your average weekenday in June), but it seems like maybe he doesn’t get enough credit for being a strong talent evaluator and builder.

  143. Gerta Rauss says:

    bendelson: I halted my futile search when I found my way to the E-Girls ‘Dance, Dance, Dance’.
    One can only sacrifice so much…

    lol….I landed there last night as well and realized it was time to cut Melvis loose

    Love the Stefani song btw

  144. Oilman99 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Yes, his hit for PIT is 6.8

    Still pretty steep.

    Maybe a VGK target?

    VGK likes team guys,not l guys, don’t think they would want mess up the team bonds.

  145. YKOil says:

    digger50:
    We had a good end of season discussionabout coaching (here at the lowetide) Or maybe about 300 discussions. One of the main points being the biggest improvement for this team should come from a coaching change. Change the coaching strategy, rethink special teams ect…. watch the performance s turn around.

    Better coaching, better goaltending, fewer injuries = good year

    Interesting that only one of those has anything to do with talent

  146. Oilman99 says:

    hunter1909: Nurse got hurt. Then he came back and held back a lot – i figured at the time he was taking it slowly with himself.

    That was the year before. Last season’s disaster even Paul Coffey couldn’t just step up to and fix. Nurse was and remains highly scrutinized. I’m somewhat of a betting man. I’d be ecstatic to get 50/50 odds on whether or not Nurse blows the doors off at training camp etc.

    hunter1909: Nurse got hurt. Then he came back and held back a lot – i figured at the time he was taking it slowly with himself.

    That was the year before. Last season’s disaster even Paul Coffey couldn’t just step up to and fix. Nurse was and remains highly scrutinized. I’m somewhat of a betting man. I’d be ecstatic to get 50/50 odds on whether or not Nurse blows the doors off at training camp etc.

    Valuable experience playing at the worlds should do wonders for his confidence having played with some other very good dmen. My bet is he comes in stronger and meaner too.

  147. Munny says:

    Woodguy v2.0: No, it doesn’t imo.
    He’s a top 30 NHLer 5v5 in many respects and the return for him was poor.

    Considering your second sentence has little relevance to my point, I think you may have completely missed my point (implicit as it was).

  148. Munny says:

    Oilman99: VGK likes team guys,notl guys, don’t think they would want mess up the team bonds.

    By what providence do you know Kessel is an “I” guy?

  149. Melvis says:

    Munny,

    Far too many lhours last night and this am in a fruitless search through a lot of crap on various lists. Stephen kind of sums it up. I’ve been distracted by and far more interested in my production as opposed to music or hockey world over the last couple decades.

    I always liked the tune, but oddly enough, despite it’s ubiquity, I never heard a DJ mention Stefani in conjunction. It was always some pun on “No Doubt” – If mentioned at all.

    I was searching “dance dance dance” instead of Hella Good. I mean really. How silly of me.

    Finally started in on somewhat similar sounding voices. I hit Hollaback Girl, which I knew. After which, easy peasy.

    Then I was distressed at a couple of decades flying by with my head up the ass of the art world. Jeeez.

  150. jonrmcleod says:

    Any truth to the rumour that Mark Hunter might join the Oilers in some capacity?

  151. €√¥£€^$ says:

    I disagree with the disallowed Regina goal in the Mem Cup semi-final. The player may have “opened up” his skate and directed the puck to the net, BUT I didn’t see a distinct kicking motion at all, but more impactful on this play was the goaltender’s pad preventing the shooter from making a play on the puck.

    I don’t see how this any different from a goaltender being prevented from making a save; this should be a two-way street.

    Terrible decision.

  152. €√¥£€^$ says:

    Hebig pots the go ahead goal, very nice shot and wherewithal to position himself for the return pass.

  153. OriginalPouzar says:

    Hopefully Hebig can finish off a great season with a Memorial Cup victory.

    Coming back from missing an entire season with that concussion, staying healthy all year and producing is great for Cameron – look forward to him centering one of the top two lines in Bakersfield next season.

  154. Wilde says:

    Now that we have Yawney, I’d feel a lot better about a Merkley selection.

  155. €√¥£€^$ says:

    Wilde,

    Great point! I’ve had my eye on him for a couple of years now. I am betting someone grabs him in the 1st round, despite all the red flags.

    But are you thinking @ #10?

  156. Wilde says:

    €√¥£€^$:
    Wilde,

    Great point!I’ve had my eye on him for a couple of years now.I am betting someone grabs him in the 1st round, despite all the red flags.

    But are you thinking @ #10?

    Yes

  157. deardylan says:

    Is anyone else watching Champions League or NBA Finals the last 2 days?

    A chance to see TWO Edwards, Crosbys, Nicklaus, Abletts, Rossis and Warnes of generational talent in Football and NBA back to back!

    LB at 33 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_career_achievements_by_LeBron_James

    CR @ 33
    https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/cristiano-ronaldo/erfolge/spieler/8198

    PS. I didn’t really come home for lunch often (when I did I do remember Flintstones) but watched the Trifecta preparing for dinner toons – Thundercats, and GI Joe, Transformers in late 80s. Cause knowing is half the battle.

    PSS. A great day my football team from Premiership when I lived in London…they got promoted today. Imagine the NHL had relegation battles with lowest 3 teams dropped to AHL. You don’t get top 3 draft picks…you get relegated instead. Then absolutely no one tanks or wants to get close to the drop zone.

  158. deardylan says:

    Awesome!

    OP what cartoon did you watch when you were younger? What toons do you watch today?

    The reason this place is awesome because its a great mix of on the ice and off the ice.

    What really is hockey anyway? People, Stories, Luck, Skill, Heroes and More Stories sharing with friends and family…what are we really going to remember 30 years from now?

    Enjoy hearing some great jokes, unknown songs and lunchtime cartoons… here is another sports one by Seinfeld which I heard today and made me laugh.

    ====

    “Loyalty to any one sports team is pretty hard to justify.

    Because these days the players are always changing, the team could move to another city…you’re actually cheering for the clothes, when you get right down to it.

    You’re standing and cheering and yelling for your clothes to beat the clothes from another city.

    Fan will hate a player so much, but if he comes to our team and wears our clothes, we will cheer for him.

    Fans will be so in love with a player, but if he goes to another team, they’ll boo him.

    This is the same human being in a different shirt, they hate him now! Boo! Different shirt! Boo…”

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