Draft Day

I had Dmitri Samorukov No. 133 on my list for the 2017 draft. Positives included league (OHL), scouting report (Pronman: He is mobile, particularly at 6.02, and capable of jumping into the attack. His skill level isn’t elite but he’s a smart puck mover who can make plays, and Pronman had him at No. 75) and he closed well while being a late birthday. Those are good arrows. Edmonton drafted Samorukov No. 84 and he spiked in year two. Let’s not get excited, long way to go. However, that’s the deal. Make a bet, player progresses in Draft +1. And again. Keith Gretzky made some interesting bets in Boston and in his one year with the Oilers (2017). What will we see a month from now at the Oilers draft table?

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KEITH GRETZKY DRAFTS, 2014

The 2014 draft is one Bruins fans talk about as being special, it was Gretzky’s first as the scouting director. Here are the picks and a quick sketch on their draft day story.

  • No. 25 overall R David Pastrnak. Red Line Report had him No. 14 (“small but fiery and passionate, loves to score) and he played 46 NHL games in his draft +1 season. Has scored 34 and 35 goals in the last two seasons, one of the best young scorers in the game. Note: Went undersized and skilled in round one.
  • No. 45 overall C Ryan Donato. Red Line had him No. 65 (compared him to Sam Gagner) and remarked about his soft hands and impressive passing. He just arrived in the NHL and should have a great future on the No. 2 line with the Bruins. Note: Went undersized and skilled in round two.
  • No. 116 overall LC Danton Heinen. Not ranked by Red Line, he was the third skill selection in a row. Gretzky: “The plan was we wanted some skill. Everybody wanted skill. You could see the picks, that were highly skilled guys. More of the ‘plumbers’ were coming later on and we were excited that we could get Donato and Heinen who are two really skilled players. We’re excited.” Source He played well in the NHL this past season.
  • No. 146 overall L Anders Bjork. Red Line had him at No. 178, saying he had the skating and work ethic to be a checker. With the team’s fourth selection, in the fifth round, they take a player who doesn’t possess top 6F skill. That’s good drafting. He has played in 30 NHL games.
  • No. 206 overall LD Emil Johansson. Swedish blue ranked No. 267 overall by Red Line, Good skater, moved the puck well and he made it to the AHL by age 21.

In 2015 the club made some big trades (Milan Lucic, Dougie Hamilton) and drafted three times in the first round and three more times in Round Two. This is viewed as a negative draft because of the names Boston passed on (like Mathew Barzal, Kyle Connor and Thomas Chabot), let’s see if they went all skill in the top 116 again.

KEITH GRETZKY DRAFTS, 2015

  • No. 13 overall LD Jakub Zboril. Red Line had him No. 27, calling him “intense” and raving about his “cannon shot” while comparing his style to Francois Beauchemin. He had a good year in the AHL and the scouting report talked about great skating ability and passing. Suspect he will have a career, but shy of the men passed over to take him. I don’t think he qualifies as a high skill selection.
  • No. 14 overall L Jake DeBrusk. Red Line ranked him No. 25 and compared his style to Jason Williams. DeBrusk isn’t out of place with this draft number and his combination of skill and determination make him a nice fit in Boston. I don’t think the Bruins are disappointed in any way with this selection.
  • No. 15 overall R Zach Senyshen. Red Line had him at No. 46, meaning this was a large reach pick. If you’re drafting out of place this badly, you better be right. Skill, size, good straightaway speed, I think the Bruins liked all of that but the kicker was his shot. Lightning quick release made him a feared junior sniper. Posted 12 goals in AHL debut.
  • No. 37 overall RD Brandon Carlo. Red Line had him No. 41, saying Carlo had size, skating ability and footwork. Got solid grades for coverage and defensive acumen, RLR opined he wasn’t going to be a big point producer. Two years in, they nailed it. Note: Gretzky’s earliest pick (to this point) whose strength is something other than offensive skill.
  •  No. 45 overall RC Jakob Forsbacka-Karlsson. Red Line ranked him No. 70 and rate him as a two-way center with Josh Bailey as a style comparison. He’s plenty skilled but I would rate this as a pick that overlooked skill in favor of a two-way player (Daniel Sprong was chosen No. 46 overall).
  • No. 52 overall LD Jeremy Lauzon. RLR ranked him No. 59 and called him a super sleeper. They really liked the pick, comparing Lauzon to James Wisniewski. He’s a two-way type, tough player and he had a pedestrian debut in the AHL this season.
  • No. 75 overall G Daniel Vladar. Red Line had him No. 67, impressed by his reflexes and footwork. Projected him as a future NHL backup.
  • No. 105 overall L Jesse Gabrielle. RLR rank: No. 132, saying a ‘naturally abrasive cuss is like a burr in the saddle.”
  • No. 165 overall LC Cameron Hughes. Late pick Red Line adored, posting him No. 71. Compared him in style to David Krejci, called him a two-way center. It will be interesting to see how he performs in pro beginning this fall.
  • No. 195 overall RC Jack Becker. RLR No. 222, he’s a long ranger having just entered college in the fall of 2017. Big two-way C based on USHL boxcars.

Boston had so many picks in 2015, I think they looked for specific needs solutions by the Carlo selection and beyond. In two seasons under Gretzky, the top three selections in each draft had a large amount of skill attached. It would not remain the same in 2016.

KEITH GRETZKY DRAFTS, 2016

  • No. 14 overall RD Charlie McAvoy. Bob McKenzie had McAvoy No. 14 and Dante Fabbro No. 16. Red Line preferred Fabbro and actually faded McAvoy (this isn’t a shot at Red Line, they’re terrific) but the Bruins went McAvoy. Kirk Luedeke:I verified with Keith Gretzky, Boston’s chief scout, that it was indeed close between McAvoy and Dante Fabbro, but in the end- I think McAvoy’s proximity to the team HQ allowed everyone to see him with ease and the Boston brass was a little more comfortable with the level of competition and viewings they had. Source
  • No. 29 overall LC Trent Frederic. McKenzie had him No. 54, this was a reach pick. Luedeke: Frederic has size and more of a defensive game than an offensive one. In talking to Gretzky and assistant GM Scott Bradley after the draft, the team recognized a need to get bigger at center- all three of their NHL pivots are 6-foot or under, and Boston felt that Frederic is emerging as more of a scoring presence than his numbers and performance indicate to date. Source
  • No. 49 overall LD Ryan Lindgren. McKenzie had him No. 46, right in the range. Two-way defender who played well in college and will turn pro (at 20) this fall. He is not regarded as a substantial offensive contributor.
  • No. 135 overall L Joona Koppanen. Huge defensive center scored a little better than expected in the Sm-Liiga before getting 10 AHL games in Providence.
  • No. 136 overall RD Cameron Clarke. Lanky offensive defenseman who ripped it up with the Lone Star Brahmas (I kid you not) in his draft year.
  • No. 165 overall RC Oskar Steen. He’s 5.09 and doesn’t have the kind of skill he would need to have NHL success at 5.09.

Luedeke: The McAvoy, Lindgren and Clarke picks all get A/B+ grades from me- they’re exactly the kinds of defenders the B’s can use and give the organization some solid options in the youth movement when you add some of their other recent picks and prospects into the mix.

I think Kirk nails it here. Boston had a ‘needs’ draft and McAvoy delivered beyond reasonable expectations and then some. The team drafted a future checker in the first round (although his offense improved) and shored up the defense. Now to 2017 and Gretzky’s first Oilers draft.

KEITH GRETZKY DRAFTS, 2017

  • No. 22 overall R Kailer Yamamoto. Bob McKenzie had him No. 24 and he was clearly a skill selection (along with Pastrnak, DeBrusk, Senyshen, McAvoy) in the first round. I think it’s fair to suggest the club will be looking for skill in round one (Zboril and Frederic the only real exceptions) this year.
  • No. 78 overall G Stuart Skinner. Bob McKenzie had him No. 71 so this is right in the range.
  • No. 84 overall LD Dmitri Samorukov. McKenzie had him No. 76 and he qualifies as a two-way defenseman. Edmonton has drafted a ton of them since 2015.
  • No. 115 overall R Ostap Safin. McKenzie had him No. 51 overall and he was a skill selection.
  • No. 146 overall R Kirill Maksimov. McKenzie had him honorable mention, which means top 100 overall. Like Safin, he is clearly a skill selection.
  • No. 177 overall LC Skyler Brind’Amour. Skill center didn’t deliver a lot in the BCHL.
  • No. 208 overall RD Phil Kemp. Two-way defender showed well, especially early, in college.

KEITH GRETZKY DRAFTS, 2018 (projection)

If the Oilers keep the picks at No. 10 and No. 40, suspect we’ll see them push for skill. Perhaps the organization will push as they did in 2014 (the Pastrnak draft) and go balls out after skill players. What would it look like?

  • No. 10 overall. McKenzie’s late April list has a strong top 10 (here), so if Jesperi Kotkaniemi is the choice I suspect Edmonton would make the pick. If the available talent includes Evan Bouchard or Noah Dobson? I think Edmonton makes those picks, too. Among McKenzie’s top 10, is there any player Edmonton would pass on? I’ll guess Adam Boqvist, but it’s just that (a guess). Are there any players Edmonton might prefer to McKenzie’s top 10? I’ll suggest Ty Smith (because of course I will), Ryan Merkley, Joel Farabee.
  • No. 40 overall. Craig Button’s final list isn’t out yet (latest here) but the players 35-50 are intriguing. Top offensive players include Cameron Hillis, Gabriel Fortier, Martin Kaut. If the Oilers take a forward at No. 10 they may pick a puck mover at 40. Candidates in the range on Button’s list include Sean Durzi and Alexander Alexeyev.

After that, we’re talking skill. Using prospect-stats.com and their projected 5×5 points per 60, here are some players who deliver enough offense to be considered during the second day of drafting.

OHL

  • Adam Mascherin  (3.10 estimated 5×5/60)
  • Allan McShane  (2.83 estimated 5×5/60)
  • Akil Thomas (2.71 estimated 5×5/60)
  • Serron Noel  (2.71 estimated 5×5/60)
  • Cam Hillis  (2.07 estimated 5×5/60)
  • Semyon Der-Arguchintsev (2.01 estimated 5×5/60)
  • Liam Foudy  (1.90 estimated 5×5/60)
  • Ty Dellandrea (1.83 estimated 5×5/60)

WHL

  • Cole Fonstadt  (2.26 estimated 5×5/60)

QMJHL

  • Benoit Olivier Groulx  (2.48 estimated 5×5/60)
  • Luke Henman (2.26 estimated 5×5/60)
  • Philipp Kurashev  (2.18 estimated 5×5/60)
  • Alexander Khovanov  (2.13 estimated 5×5/60)

That was a great victory, remember enjoying it because by that point it was well established the Oilers were in fact a modern dynasty. We’ve discussed the ’80’s Oilers so much, but the thing I remember about them is Sather and Muckler kept the freewheeling style while building a strong defensive conscience. It wasn’t there in 1982, and wasn’t perfect in 1984, but by 1988 the team could hold their own. I always thought Kevin Lowe and Steve Smith stepped up during this period and imposed their will a little more on the blue.

 

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  1. flyfish1168 says:

    It may be unfortunate. I feel Oilers are coming into the win soon or within 2-3 years. If this is the case Keith may not have the picks to show off his skills as much. PC I feel is a win 1 type of guy versus let us develop a long-term winning legacy like the Wings had. JMHO

  2. commonfan29 says:

    I know you’d likely take him a lot earlier, LT, but what do you think the odds are of Merkley falling to #40 due to character concerns?

    And if he did fall, do you think the Oilers would even take him there?

  3. slopitch says:

    If the play is to make a run in spring 2020 this draft is so crucial. I mean every draft is but this team with a solid core and so little depth would benefit from a 2-3 player draft more than any. Draft skill and hopefully get some development luck on the way.

    I think Merkley goes closer to 10 then 40.

  4. Louis Levasseur says:

    When I look at the list of Bruin picks that Gretzky made, I’m not sure why he gets so much love. For my money, way to many reach or off the charts picks. Especially in the early rounds.

  5. trencan says:

    Gretzky is better in drafting than Chia in Trading, so keeping the pick looks like better decision.

  6. GBandQ says:

    To that end, is there value in the Oil trading down a few spots in the first round (and acquiring another high 2nd round pick)? More bullets, as LT would say?

    Is passing on say… Kotkaniemi to take a Veleno or Hallander (and grab another pick in the 30s) worth it? or is Kotkaniemi too good to pass on?

    slopitch:
    If the play is to make a run in spring 2020 this draft is so crucial. I mean every draft is but this team with a solid core and so little depth would benefit from a 2-3 player draft more than any. Draft skill and hopefully get some development luck on the way.

    I think Merkley goes closer to 10 then 40.

  7. Lowetide says:

    commonfan29:
    I know you’d likely take him a lot earlier, LT, but what do you think the odds are of Merkley falling to #40 due to character concerns?

    And if he did fall, do you think the Oilers would even take him there?

    Merkley is a game breaker that has appeal. In Gretzky’s previous drafts, he has drafted one dimensional types, so it’s at least possible.

  8. Stud Muffin says:

    I Absolutely love Martin Kaut, shades of Leon Draisaitl. I’m pretty sure he’ll go in the 10-20 range.
    As for realistic targets at 40 I really like Allan McShane.

  9. Dustylegnd says:

    Here is the real concerning part about the Oilers roster as constructed….I look at Tampa’s roster, it has everything….depth for miles….great centers…exceptional goal scorers, Stud D men yes plural, top flight goal tending……top of class salary cap management……did not make the big dance

    I look at Winnipeg’s roster and it is pretty much ditto to Tampa on all levels….no Dance for them either

    When you compare the Oils roster and cap management vs Stevie Y’s genius, and Cheveldayoff’s slow and steady competence, both GM’s have been damn near flawless….and then there is Chia

    I look at the Oil’s wingers and I just shake my head, seriously, a genetically engineered combination of Toe Blake and Scotty Bowman couldn’t coach scoring out of the current dogs…..I love the Viveiros and Yawney hires, and I hope Gully thinks the game differently than Todd, or why bother…but shit…..you can’t turn mutts into purebreds

    We absolutely need to cash on Yamo and Benson, and Benson hasn’t dominated since he was 14…..Leon better turn into Scheifle sooner than later…..but how do you push a river with the currently available wingers

    Competent and diverse coaching along with improved goal tending and health will go a long way to improving this team but damn, is there a lot of work to do

  10. Bag of Pucks says:

    LT, many thanks again for being so prolific and committed to maintaining this community. Such a joy to wake up on a sunny Saturday, head out to the deck with a good cup of coffee and know that without fail there’s a good article on the local hockey team awaiting.

    Remember the uproar when CFRN took the Flintstones off the air at lunchtime? For many, it felt like a part of our childhood died that day. You sir are my hockey Flintstones!

    It’s a shame we don’t have a magic bullet stat to rate the best fan driven hockey communities, but by the good old ‘saw it good’ metric, this is the best of them by a country mile imo.

  11. Scungilli Slushy says:

    flyfish1168:
    It may be unfortunate. I feel Oilers are coming into the win soon or within 2-3 years. If this is the case Keith may not have the picks to show off his skills as much. PC I feel is a win 1 type of guy versus let us develop a long-term winning legacy like the Wings had. JMHO

    Things are different when you have generational talents. For one, if you can keep them and they stay healthy overall they have long careers and windows of production that lesser players don’t.

    The Wings had Lidstrom for decades. LA doesn’t have elite talent (or perhaps outside Doughty) and couldn’t sustain. The Hawks were deep and rolled with cap punches well but the tanks of Keith and Seabrook went empty and Kane wasn’t enough alone. The Pens have the talent but the GM couldn’t sustain balance.

    If you have a high skill core it’s finding the role players year in and out as at that level most players only have several years of solid play and need to be replaced to keep the team contending. Sather was great at it, Al Arbour too.

    PC has been bad so far handling depth. Part of that can be attributed to pruning back the roster hard in the name of culture change.

    I believe that was part of his mandate, and why Katz hired him, the Bruins rep of having hard teams that can play. So he ditched the ‘attitudes and softies’ and did poorly at it.

    We can only hope course is corrected and it’s smart decisions based on the facts of what wins games from here on out. A long term contender is quite within reach still IMO.

  12. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    Remember the uproar when CFRN took the Flintstones off the air at lunchtime? For many, it felt like a part of our childhood died that day. You sir are my hockey Flintstones!

    Strong, strong reference.

    Love it.

    I lived across the street from my elementary school and Mom was a stay at home Mom so every school day from 1976-1983 (K-6) I’d come home for a hot lunch and the Flintstones.

    Awesome memories.

  13. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Apropos of the winger depth conversation:

    EDM 5v5 goal scorers when McDavid is not on the ice for the last 2 seasons.

    Must have 5 goals to qualify for the list:

    16/17 Goals
    RNH 10
    Pouliot 8
    Eberle 8
    Pitlick 8
    Maroon 7
    Kassian 5
    Klefbom 5

    17/18 Goals
    Khaira 9
    Draisaitl 8
    RNH 7
    Strome 7
    Caggiula 6
    Kassian 6
    Maroon 5 (natch)
    Puljujarvi 5
    Slepeshev 5

  14. RumBurgundy says:

    Hercules in the morning, Flintstones at lunch

  15. dustrock says:

    Going to be an interesting draft and absolutely the Oilers are going to get a chance to draft real skill at #40.

    I’d love somebody like Berggren but he’s rising. There’s a few Russians would be available there.

    Somebody like Nordgren.

    Bokk is a guy I hope would somehow fall to 40 but no way.

    If the Oilers grab Kotkaniemi/Dobson and Merkley I mean that’s like a dream draft for me.

  16. GBandQ says:

    RumBurgundy,

    tomato soup from a can!

  17. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Apropos of the winger depth conversation:

    EDM 5v5 goal scorers when McDavid is not on the ice for the last 2 seasons.

    Must have 5 goals to qualify for the list:

    16/17Goals
    RNH10
    Pouliot8
    Eberle8
    Pitlick8
    Maroon7
    Kassian5
    Klefbom5

    17/18Goals
    Khaira9
    Draisaitl8
    RNH7
    Strome7
    Caggiula6
    Kassian6
    Maroon5 (natch)
    Puljujarvi5
    Slepeshev5

    Same excersize for WPG, except this time it’s “5v5 Goals without Scheifele”

    Maurice doesn’t mix up the lines nearly as much as McLellan so Scheifele’s main linemates – Wheeler and Connor – really get dinged here:

    Patrik Laine 22
    Nikolaj Ehlers 12
    Bryan Little 11
    Joel Armia 10
    Mathieu Perreault 9
    Kyle Connor 7
    Andrew Copp 7
    Adam Lowry 7
    Josh Morrissey 5
    Brandon Tanev 5
    Matt Hendricks 5
    Jack Roslovic 5

    So when you get to about Perreault down it looks somewhat similar to EDM.

    So all EDM needs to do is to add a 2nd line +1 worth of 5v5 scoring!!

    Seriously though, if Drai is away from 97 for the whole year his number and his winger (hopefully) should bump up.

    Also,

    Lucic had 3 5v5 goals last year away from McDavid and has a higher cap hit than anyone on WPG’s list.

  18. Munny says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    That actually looks like a step forward….?

  19. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    GBandQ:
    RumBurgundy,

    tomato soup from a can!

    Tomato soup and grilled cheese sandwiches.

    Still my favorite comfort food.

  20. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Munny:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    That actually looks like a step forward….?

    Well Maroon and Slepy aren’t Oilers anymore, but kinda.

    I wrote a thing about the 16/17 Oilers being mostly McDavid: http://becauseoilers.blogspot.ca/2017/07/oilers-went-from-25th-to-8th-in-nhl-in.html

  21. leadfarmer says:

    When you are picking a guy 15 overall when hes not expected to be taken until 45 you dont know how the draft works. Just by trading down you should be able to pick at least 3 guys around 45th overall.
    Not expecting perfection but those are just dumb mistakes that I hope he got out of his system
    Otherwise his drafting is a lot better than we have had for a long time

  22. leadfarmer says:

    Dustylegnd,

    Chevaldayoffs “genious” had 8 mil sitting on the bench in Mason and Kulikov and Little hasnt even started his 5.3 mil contract that is already bad for that team. He created cap hell for himself

  23. Dustylegnd says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Goog god we need Poolparty to drink magic water over the summer…and Yamo to channel his inner Johnny hockey and new will be just fine!!!!!

  24. LoDog says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    Awesome and true. I seem to remember flintstones then a chilliwack video then amazing spider man.

  25. Dustylegnd says:

    leadfarmer,

    I said Steveie Y was a Genius and Cheveldayoff was slow and steady…yep Little looks to be an overpay for sure, Mason has 1 more year and good bye…goalies are Voodo and they had the cap room to sign him

    For sure Cheveldayoff has a true cap management test in front of him with Trouba, and Morrisey needing new contracts but they are out from underneath Enstrom….this is his litmus test for sure…and yes it is much more difficult to convince players to take a discount to stay in Winnipeg vs Florida…

    In my mind the Jets have a lot less work to do than the Oil

    Is it ironic that you misspelled Genius?😎 I jest

  26. Lowetide says:

    leadfarmer:
    When you are picking a guy 15 overall when hes not expected to be taken until 45 you dont know how the draft works. Just by trading down you should be able to pick at least 3 guys around 45th overall.
    Not expecting perfection but those are just dumb mistakes that I hope he got out of his system
    Otherwise his drafting is a lot better than we have had for a long time

    The problem is you see teams do that kind of thing all the time. It’s kind of crazy that NHL teams don’t just grab the McKenzie list and use that as a guide. Senyshen was spiking though iirc. I think it’s likely we see that kind of reach again by Edmonton, no matter the scouting director.

  27. Bag of Pucks says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Bag of Pucks,

    Remember the uproar when CFRN took the Flintstones off the air at lunchtime? For many, it felt like a part of our childhood died that day. You sir are my hockey Flintstones!

    Strong, strong reference.

    Love it.

    I lived across the street from my elementary school and Mom was a stay at home Mom so every school day from 1976-1983 (K-6) I’d come home for a hot lunch and the Flintstones.

    Awesome memories.

    Ann Margrock. Stony Curtis. Royal Order of Buffalos. The Way Outs. I too booked it from school at breakneck speed every lunch hour to catch it,

    My wife’s convinced everything I know about male/female dynamics was learned watching the Flintstones. Celebrating anniversary #25 this year and she’s not wrong in that assessment!

  28. leadfarmer says:

    Lowetide: The problem is you see teams do that kind of thing all the time. It’s kind of crazy that NHL teams don’t just grab the McKenzie list and use that as a guide. Senyshen was spiking though iirc. I think it’s likely we see that kind of reach again by Edmonton, no matter the scouting director.

    Well I guess the Scouting director is not in charge of trading draft picks so it hard to say what kind of discussions happened. I am happy we have someone that has hit homeruns outside of the top 10 draft slot.

  29. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Bag of Pucks: Ann Margrock. Stony Curtis. Royal Order of Buffalos. The Way Outs. I too booked it from school at breakneck speed every lunch hour to catch it,

    My wife’s convinced everything I know about male/female dynamics was learned watching the Flintstones. Celebrating anniversary #25 this year and she’s not wrong in that assessment!

    I’ve known my best friend since we were both 7.

    Most of our conversation is just Flintstone quotes.

  30. leadfarmer says:

    Dustylegnd,

    Trouba Morrissey, Laine, Wheeler, Hellebyuck, Connor. All in next two years and all except Morrissey will get 6 mil +. (Trouba may come just under)
    That team is all on the back of the amateur scouting genius’ he inherited from the Atlanta franchise

  31. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I’ve known my best friend since we were both 7.

    Most of our conversation is just Flintstone quotes.

    The one where he’s trying to figure out the 10 percent tax remains a wonderful television moment. I’ll buy that a close second.

  32. Bag of Pucks says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I’ve known my best friend since we were both 7.

    Most of our conversation is just Flintstone quotes.

    My best friend and I are the same with the music from the show. Whenever we play poker, we’re always busting into a Hoagy Carmichael standard or the Bedrock Twitch. Throws the other guys off their game ; )

  33. flyfish1168 says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Things are different when you have generational talents. For one, if you can keep them and they stay healthy overall they have long careers and windows of production that lesser players don’t.

    The Wings had Lidstrom for decades. LA doesn’t have elite talent (or perhaps outside Doughty) and couldn’t sustain. The Hawks were deep and rolled with cap punches well but the tanks of Keith and Seabrook went empty and Kane wasn’t enough alone. The Pens have the talent but the GM couldn’t sustain balance.

    If you have a high skill core it’s finding the role players year in and out as at that level most players only have several years of solid play and need to be replaced to keep the team contending. Sather was great at it, Al Arbour too.

    PC has been bad so far handling depth. Part of that can be attributed to pruning back the roster hard in the name of culture change.

    I believe that was part of his mandate, and why Katz hired him, the Bruins rep of having hard teams that can play. So he ditched the ‘attitudes and softies’ and did poorly at it.

    We can only hope course is corrected and it’s smart decisions based on the facts of what wins games from here on out. A long term contender is quite within reach still IMO.

    My point is PC would have traded the picks to make a run for the cup. Wings kept as many as possible and made sure they were ripe playing the in the minors prior to making the big club. Draft picks is your life line and CAP measure control. If you use it correctly

  34. --hudson-- says:

    Question for the blog: What makes for a good scouting director?

    They’re running a scouting team to cover teams, cover tournaments, interview players, coaches, families etc. The amount of data they generate must be fairly large plus they take in another boatload of data from other scouting services.

    Then their output, the draft list to the GM has to hold the same value and philosophy as the team. All of the data generated has to synthesized through these values to arrive at the priority list, Taylor versus Tyler, etc.

    Talent evaluation seems core to the role, understanding the life of a scout is essential, and arriving at a consensus with all of the information is the most explicit responsibility. As Leadfarmer points out your list also shouldn’t pick a player at 15 if you can get them at 45, so there’s some economics/game theory at play.

  35. GBandQ says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    “Whose baby is that? What’s your angle? I’ll buy that.”

  36. jake70 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Bag of Pucks,

    Remember the uproar when CFRN took the Flintstones off the air at lunchtime? For many, it felt like a part of our childhood died that day. You sir are my hockey Flintstones!

    Strong, strong reference.

    Love it.

    I lived across the street from my elementary school and Mom was a stay at home Mom so every school day from 1976-1983 (K-6) I’d come home for a hot lunch and the Flintstones.

    Awesome memories.

    Boy that is funny…….I had exact same situation (except on to junior high in 82) – lived across street from school , mom was at home, tomato soup, grilled cheese, but I think my lunchtime TV was Spiderman….and mom always had Definition on I think too, with Jim Perry.

  37. jm363561 says:

    Dustylegnd:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    Goog god we need Poolparty to drink magic water over the summer…and Yamo to channel his inner Johnny hockey and new will be just fine!!!!!

    Agreed. If JP. can break out that is a big step forward. One more scoring winger not named Yamo and the Top 6 will be in good shape. (I said the same last year FWIW). The Top 6 D are likely good enough if, like me, you are okay with Russell and Benning. It is the Bottom 6 that look weak, and our lack of depth on D – Gryba, Simpson, Bear … duh … Saint Brandon has gone for Magic Beans and little cap space to bring in new additions. William Lagesson needs to be really really good, as does Cam Talbot.

  38. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Bag of Pucks: My best friend and I are the same with the music from the show. Whenever we play poker, we’re always busting into a Hoagy Carmichael standard or the Bedrock Twitch. Throws the other guys off their game ; )

    We’re gonna go wayout (wayout!)
    That’s where the fun is, wayout!

  39. jm363561 says:

    “The Athletic’s Craig Custance has reported Dallas, Detroit and St. Louis have interest in Todd Nelson from AHL Grand Rapids. Nelson has power-play expertise, and all three teams need help. The Stars were 19th, the Red Wings 24th and the Blues 30th this year.” Sigh.

  40. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Lowetide: The one where he’s trying to figure out the 10 percent tax remains a wonderful television moment. I’ll buy that a close second.

    I’m drawing a blank.

    I feel shame.

  41. Westchester Oil says:

    Goggles Pizano driving the wrong way in the IndyRock 500 was one of my favourite episodes. That and Dr. No and Madame Yes.

    And Betty Rubble was one of the hottest babes on television of all time.

  42. Bag of Pucks says:

    Westchester Oil:

    And Betty Rubble was one of the hottest babes on television of all time.

    Betty is to Mary Ann as Wilma is to Ginger?

  43. Westchester Oil says:

    Bag of Pucks: Betty is to Mary Ann as Wilma is to Ginger?

    I would politely disagree, ignoring hair colour, I would say Betty is to Ginger (as Wilma is to Mary Ann) because of Betty’s + Ginger raw sensuality. :).

    Your mileage may vary.

  44. N64 says:

    Westchester Oil: I would politely disagree, ignoring hair colour, I would say Betty is to Ginger (as Wilma is to Mary Ann) because of Betty’s + Ginger raw sensuality. :).

    Your mileage may vary.

    You can’t ignore the hair. Dialed back a bit from Alice and Trixie. But Fire and Nice.

  45. Oilman99 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Tomato soup and grilled cheese sandwiches.

    Still my favorite comfort food.

    Add a dill pickle and you’re all set.

  46. Dustylegnd says:

    leadfarmer,

    Yes and that is a treasure chest of talent to trade to poorly managed organizations that over pay for players that are right shot D men that can skate and wingers that can score…Winnipeg indeed has a real “problem” on their hands

  47. Bag of Pucks says:

    Looking back at that 88 Stanley is bittersweet for me based on what we found out later was going on behind the scenes. Pocklington shopping Gretzky to McNall: two crooks conspiring to rob this old town of the Great One, effectively hammering the first nail in the coffin of the dynasty.

    If they made a movie of that time, who would you cast for Pocklington? I’d go with Peter Cushing then and Paul Giamatti now. You need someone with the right combination of gravitas and weasel.

  48. Oilman99 says:

    Dustylegnd:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    Goog god we need Poolparty to drink magic water over the summer…and Yamo to channel his inner Johnny hockey and new will be just fine!!!!!

    I would hope the team takes the steps up to ensure JP is stronger,and quicker to be ready this fall. Unless Yammy gets stronger and developes into a man he needs to go to the AHL, so it is imperative that they find atleast one top six forward to ensure there as many ifs in the lineup come October. Relying on maybe’s this fall is not an option.

  49. Woogie63 says:

    Oilers have up dated web page will new coaching staff.

    Rick Carriere’s picture and bio has been taken down was there an announcement?

  50. Woogie63 says:

    Oilman99: Add a dill pickle and you’re all set.

    This is crazy talk everyone knows that Kraft Dinner with ketchup is the only acceptable meal when watching the Flintstones at lunch time. KD always went well with Stampede Wrestling as well.

  51. Professor Q says:

    Woogie63: This is crazy talk everyone knows that Kraft Dinner with ketchup is the only acceptable meal when watching the Flintstones at lunch time.KD always went well with Stampede Wrestling as well.

    With hot dogs. The Canadian Macaroni.

    Do we have to wear blue denim during the meal, I wonder?

  52. bendelson says:

    Snork!

  53. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Woogie63: This is crazy talk everyone knows that Kraft Dinner with ketchup is the only acceptable meal when watching the Flintstones at lunch time.KD always went well with Stampede Wrestling as well.

    We will accept KD and ketchup.

    It is far from the only acceptable answer though.

  54. VanIsleOil says:

    Westchester Oil:
    Goggles Pizano driving the wrong way in the IndyRock 500 was one of my favourite episodes. That and Dr. No and Madame Yes.

    And Betty Rubble was one of the hottest babes on television of all time.

    What about Barney Rubble, what an actor!!

  55. dustrock says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I’m drawing a blank.

    I feel shame.

    Look, dum dum.

    One for the hockey fans:

    Fred Flintstone: I know what you’re going to say. I don’t know anything about all of this, right?

    Wilma Flintstone: Right!

    Fred Flintstone: Has that ever stopped me from being an expert before?

  56. Melvis says:

    Oh man, I wanna make out with a cartoon.

    8 kids at the neighbours and a five gallon pot on the stove. One big mess of KD and boiled weiners. Delicious.

    These days, I wash it down with cream soda.

  57. OriginalPouzar says:

    I remain cautiously optimistic about Samorukov – obvious offensive skill but some issues in his own end of the ice – not unexpected from a teenager.

    Excited to see his progression next year with Garrett McFadden graduated from junior – should see an ice time spike in particular on the PP.

  58. RumBurgundy says:

    Hot Lips Hannigan “Scoodily wah….. wah wah wah”

  59. Scungilli Slushy says:

    “I hate Bug music!”
    The Flintstone Flop
    Happy Anniverary Happy Anniversary

    Madame No – you stupid good lookings
    Fred playing high school football

    Thanks CFRN! We wouldn’t be the same without the ‘Stones as a formational part of a good lunch!

  60. OriginalPouzar says:

    commonfan29:
    I know you’d likely take him a lot earlier, LT, but what do you think the odds are of Merkley falling to #40 due to character concerns?

    And if he did fall, do you think the Oilers would even take him there?

    I don’t imagine he does fall out of the first round. I think one of the teams with multiple first round picks or a deep prospect pool (i.e. can afford a bust) will grab him.

    I don’t think the Oilers should take him in the first round (definitely not at 10 and also not via a trade down) because we can’t afford to not have this pick become an NHL player and, while the upside with Merkley is clearly huge, there is the downside…..

    At 40, absolutely.

  61. Woogie63 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: We will accept KD and ketchup.

    It is far from the only acceptable answer though.

    True if dad had been paid that week, the menu might fluctuate.

  62. OriginalPouzar says:

    I wonder what Yawney’s thoughts on Merkley are and if his hire makes the pick potentially more likely?

  63. Professor Q says:

    Melvis:
    Oh man, I wanna make out with a cartoon.

    8 kids at the neighbours and a five gallon pot on the stove. One big mess of KD and boiled weiners. Delicious.

    These days, I wash it down with cream soda.

    The prospect of making out with a cartoon is a bit…comical, one could say.

  64. Melvis says:

    I’m grillin and chillin with a couple of rib steaks on the Q.

    And I’m on this blog hankering for something utterly gross. Weird. Now where did I stash that can of Spam?

  65. OriginalPouzar says:

    Louis Levasseur:
    When I look at the list of Bruin picks that Gretzky made, I’m not sure why he gets so much love.For my money, way to many reach or off the charts picks.Especially in the early rounds.

    In draft plus 1 for 2017:

    – 5 big up arrows (Skinner, Samorukov, Maksimov, Safin, Kemp)
    – 1 even arrow (Yamamoto)
    – 1 down arrow (Brindamour)

    Can’t really ask for much more from last year’s draft one year out.

  66. Scungilli Slushy says:

    “Scoodely wah wah, contact!” Hot Lips Hannigan

  67. Professor Q says:

    OriginalPouzar: In draft plus 1 for 2017:

    – 5 big up arrows (Skinner, Samorukov, Maksimov, Safin, Kemp)
    – 1 even arrow (Yamamoto)
    – 1 down arrow (Brindamour)

    Can’t really ask for much more from last year’s draft one year out.

    Yamamoto could be said to be an up arrow, too.

  68. OriginalPouzar says:

    Does anyone not see Jesse Puljijarvi taking a big step forward offensively if plunked on Leon’s right win and allowed to stay there for a significant period of time?

    This seems like a no-brainer to me and I’m excited about how it will turn out.

    I see a very solid season coming from Jesse – 25 plus 25 min.

  69. OriginalPouzar says:

    jm363561:
    “The Athletic’s Craig Custance has reported Dallas, Detroit and St. Louis have interest in Todd Nelson from AHL Grand Rapids. Nelson has power-play expertise, and all three teams need help. The Stars were 19th, the Red Wings 24th and the Blues 30th this year.”Sigh.

    I’m perfectly fine with the current assistant coaching staff and the PP being helped by Manny Viveros.

  70. OriginalPouzar says:

    Professor Q: Yamamoto could be said to be an up arrow, too.

    I had a feeling that comment was coming and I don’t necessarily disagree (or agree).

    At the end of the day, he performed somewhat as expected although he did it in a different way – huge slumps and huge super nova streaks.

    Many make the “excuse” that a lull in play after being returned from the NHL is common and, yes, that’s true, but, if I remember correctly, it was’t a few weeks or so, it took him a couple of months to really get his game.

    He was injured and playing through for alot of the second half and that is a justification for his average playoffs but not for his average World Juniors.

    At the end of the day, I am still 100% in Yamamoto’s camp but his draft plus 1 year was kind of all over the place.

  71. VOR says:

    I just want to point out that Bob McKenzie had Jakub Zboril 14 and Central Scouting had him 12th in North America. So he actually is a very main stream pick at 13th OV. A lot of scouts thought they were looking at a young man who might be a long stay top 3 D in the NHL for years to come (good enough to play in the top 2 with a stud 1 or be the anchor of a great second pairing).

    Debrusk was a bit more of a reach but not insanely. Central Scouting had him 19th in North America. In fact that was pretty much his consenus ranking across services. And he checked a lot of boxes the Bruins look for in a player. He was also seen as very safe in that if he didn’t make it to the NHL as a top 6 player he would certainly make it is a bottom six role player.

    So the first two picks aren’t the most exciting players or the most talented players on the board but they are safe, competent, draft picks for a team that already had a ton of talent and could afford to wait for them to arrive in the NHL.

    Zach Senyshyn was the reach. Clearly he was an attempt at a home run. He was on a hot streak to end his draft year. Very few players in his draft year had an NHL quality shot, NHL size, and NHL skating (and many scouting reports said it isn’t just straight ahead speed). He was also seen as having creative upside. And he was quite young relative to his draft class with a March 30 birthday.

    The Bruins thought he was a a kid with elite NHL tools that hadn’t quite figured out how to use those tools to maximum effect. I know that because they said that at the time describing him aa a project with big upside. Every scouting report I have ever read on the kid says he is highly coachable and extremely hard working which is what you want in a project with raw tools.

    His draft +1 year was filled with up arrows. Then he underwhelmed in his draft +2 year (well ran in place) but there was a bad bout of mono to explain it. In the AHL this year he really struggled out of the gate. But he worked his way from fourth line, to third line, to second line. He has proven a quick study in terms of improving his defensive game and over the AHL season his shooting rose from 6% to over 10%. He also started showing flashes of play making ability.

    So I am not sure we should be saying Keith Gretzky blew this pick just yet.

  72. Gerta Rauss says:

    OriginalPouzar: Does anyone not see Jesse Puljijarvi taking a big step forward offensively if plunked on Leon’s right win and allowed to stay there for a significant period of time?

    I might even consider plunking him on Leon’s left wing….I believe his preference is LW

    I guess it depends on who the Oilers acquire to play the OTHER wing for Leon

    They need Jesse to step up this season and become a top 6 winger-give him the reps

  73. RonnieB says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I wonder what Yawney’s thoughts on Merkley are and if his hire makes the pick potentially more likely?

    I would also be curious about Coffey’s opinion of Merkley, given his familiarity with the OHL. I would think his thumbs up or down would carry some weight.

  74. Andy Dufresne says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Bag of Pucks,

    Remember the uproar when CFRN took the Flintstones off the air at lunchtime? For many, it felt like a part of our childhood died that day. You sir are my hockey Flintstones!

    Strong, strong reference.

    Love it.

    I lived across the street from my elementary school and Mom was a stay at home Mom so every school day from 1976-1983 (K-6) I’d come home for a hot lunch and the Flintstones.

    Awesome memories.

    Strong refernce indeed.

    I was in a similar scenario as you. Age 7 grade two……would go home for lunch and watch Flintstones.

    One day I got home for lunch, turned on the TV and the Flintstones were not on…….

    Turns out I had gone home…….at morning recess……

    Edit: Also raised on grilled cheese and Tomato Soup

  75. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    RM with the possession game and Liverpool’s goalie shits the bed.

  76. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    “Scoodely wah wah, contact!” Hot Lips Hannigan

    Rum beat me to it!

  77. VanIsleOil says:

    When I was a little younger than my Flintstones at lunch with a couple of hot dogs days, the CFRN show that was exciting for young kids was none other than the fabulous “Popcorn Playhouse”

    Gotta love Klondike Mike,ol’ Muskeg, and of course, the “Gold Mine” with those awesome gold nuggets. Times were simpler then.

    http://www.avenueedmonton.com/September-2010/King-of-Popcorn/

  78. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Gerta Rauss: I might even consider plunking him on Leon’s left wing….I believe his preference is LW

    I guess it depends on who the Oilers acquire to play the OTHER wing for Leon

    They need Jesse to step up this season and become a top 6 winger-give him the reps

    I’m really hoping Manny and Glen live up to their great with players chops with forwards.

    JP is a package that would be a true shame to waste with buttheadedness. He has everything needed to be a significant NHLer.

    There are others ‘like’ him in a sense in that the talent and IQ are there, still they have obstacles. Benson has his injuries that have effected his play, Yama his size, they all have something. Jesse just needs to score like he can the rest is already there.

  79. GBandQ says:

    Woodguy v2.0: We will accept KD and ketchup.

    It is far from the only acceptable answer though.

    see also:
    Denver sandwiches

  80. Scungilli Slushy says:

    VanIsleOil:
    When I was a little younger than my Flintstones at lunch with a couple of hot dogs days, the CFRN show that was exciting for young kids was none other than the fabulous “Popcorn Playhouse”

    Gotta love Klondike Mike,ol’ Muskeg, and of course, the “Gold Mine” where you could scoop out the gold nuggets. Times were simpler then.

    http://www.avenueedmonton.com/September-2010/King-of-Popcorn/

    How many of us went on Popcorn Playhouse?

  81. Andy Dufresne says:

    Gerta Rauss: I might even consider plunking him on Leon’s left wing….I believe his preference is LW

    I guess it depends on who the Oilers acquire to play the OTHER wing for Leon

    They need Jesse to step up this season and become a top 6 winger-give him the reps

    I hope the new coaching staff can develop and implement systems that play to the strengths of individual players. JP has not yet developed an NHL calibre shot. Lots of his goals come from net front scambles picking up rebounds. Play to his strengths for now. His shot will develop over time.

    Design plays for Lucic down low, net front and slot.

    Let Conner, Nuge and Rattie free wheel in the Ozone

    Let Drai, JJ, and whoever, play an up tempo version of a big mans possesion game

    One size does not fit all.

    And hopefully this roster can finally round into shape to the extent that we have some semblance of consistent lines and the resulting chemistry.

  82. Andy Dufresne says:

    Scungilli Slushy: How many of us went on Popcorn Playhouse?

    Man……Id have given all of my Little Green Army Soldiers to get one shot at digging for those little golden nuggets.

    Im jealous of my wife who actually got to do that.

  83. VanIsleOil says:

    Scungilli Slushy,

    I did, and I had cake all over my face and rest of my body. Had a great time after seeing it on TV so much.

  84. Scungilli Slushy says:

    VOR:
    I just want to point out that Bob McKenzie had Jakub Zboril 14 and Central Scouting had him 12th in North America. So he actually is a very main stream pick at 13th OV. A lot of scouts thought they were looking at a young man who might be a long stay top 3 D in the NHL for years to come (good enough to play in the top 2 with a stud 1 or be the anchor of a great second pairing).

    Debrusk was a bit more of a reach but not insanely. Central Scouting had him 19th in North America. In fact that was pretty much his consenus ranking across services. And he checked a lot of boxes the Bruins look for in a player. He was also seen as very safe in that if he didn’t make it to the NHL as a top 6 player he would certainly make it is a bottom six role player.

    So the first two picks aren’t the most exciting players or the most talented players on the board but they are safe, competent, draft picks for a team that already had a ton of talent and could afford to wait for them to arrive in the NHL.

    Zach Senyshyn was the reach. Clearly he was an attempt at a home run. He was on a hot streak to end his draft year. Very few players in his draft year had an NHL quality shot, NHL size, and NHL skating (and many scouting reports said it isn’t just straight ahead speed). He was also seen as having creative upside. And he was quite young relative to his draft class with a March 30 birthday.

    The Bruins thought he was a a kid with elite NHL tools that hadn’t quite figured out how to use those tools to maximum effect. I know that because they said that at the time describing him aa a project with big upside. Every scouting report I have ever read on the kid says he is highly coachable and extremely hard working which is what you want in a project with raw tools.

    His draft +1 year was filled with up arrows. Then he underwhelmed in his draft +2 year (well ran in place) but there was a bad bout of mono to explain it. In the AHL this year he really struggled out of the gate. But he worked his way from fourth line, to third line, to second line. He has proven a quick study in terms of improving his defensive game and over the AHL season his shooting rose from 6% to over 10%. He also started showing flashes of play making ability.

    So I am not sure we should be saying Keith Gretzky blew this pick just yet.

    Nobody has yet sussed out the draft outside of picking top 3. To me picks within reason, and picks on the edge of reason that have a sensible process behind them are fine, so much luck is involved.

    It’s the wrong headed and choices defying logic that do the damage.

  85. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Andy Dufresne: Man……Id have given all of my Little Green Army Soldiers to get one shot at digging for those little golden nuggets.

    Im jealous of my wife who actually got to do that.

    Awesome

  86. Andy Dufresne says:

    OriginalPouzar: I don’t imagine he does fall out of the first round.I think one of the teams with multiple first round picks or a deep prospect pool (i.e. can afford a bust) will grab him.

    I don’t think the Oilers should take him in the first round (definitely not at 10 and also not via a trade down) because we can’t afford to not have this pick become an NHL player and, while the upside with Merkley is clearly huge, there is the downside…..

    At 40, absolutely.

    If hes still there past 25 some team is gonna trade up to get him……why not the Oilers? especially if they take a Forward at 10.

  87. Scungilli Slushy says:

    VanIsleOil:
    Scungilli Slushy,

    I did, and I had cake all over my face and rest of my body. Had a great time after seeing it on TV so much.

    I did too. Loved it, I believe you only had to ask for tix, apologies if this question is causing trauma to anyone 🙂

    I recall I found some nuggets, or was that at Klondike Days?

  88. Andy Dufresne says:

    Heres the full cast

    Stony Curtis
    Perry Masonary
    Roxi Rubble
    Joe Rockhead
    Arnold
    Mr Slate
    Hoppy
    Bird
    Baby Puss
    Dino
    Bamm Bamm
    Pebbles
    Betty
    Willma
    Barney
    Fred
    The Great Gazoo

    Trivia Question Answer

    The Great Gazoo was voiced by actor Harvey Korman

  89. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Viveiros mentions a PP structure with a few set plays, but that creativity and looking for shots, but valuable shots is the goal/ And the way he says it sounds like there is discipline, but it’s discipline in following the plan with instinct as opposed to being a slave to a process.

    I do believe after Aberg’s comments about zone entries McLellan was trying to instill this mentality. Which is why the assistants are gone, they couldn’t get the plan in action.

    I want to cry. With joy.

  90. digger50 says:

    Scungilli Slushy: How many of us went on Popcorn Playhouse?

    So I go to popcorn playhouse one day, it’s my sisters birthday. I remember this but did t get it at the time.

    The show was live

    So the host(?) is interviewing a young 8 year old boy

    “And what does your daddy do?”

    Boy “he drives a big truck”

    “Oh so I guess he’s away out of town a lot?”

    Boy “ yes” with sad face

    “Well that’s okay, I guess you get to sleep with mom when he’s away”

    Boy still sad face “no, uncle Mike does that”

  91. Andy Dufresne says:

    Does anyone know who Mel Blanc is………..yes you do……..

    If you answered any of the following……..

    Bugs Bunny,
    Daffy Duck,
    Porky Pig,
    Tweety Bird,
    Sylvester the Cat,
    Yosemite Sam,
    Foghorn Leghorn,
    Marvin the Martian,
    Pepé Le Pew,
    Speedy Gonzales,
    Wile E. Coyote,
    the Road Runner,
    the Tasmanian Devil
    Woody Woodpecker,
    or Barney Rubble

    You would be correct……..incredible

  92. Scungilli Slushy says:

    digger50: So I go to popcorn playhouse one day, it’s my sisters birthday. I remember this but did t get it at the time.

    The show was live

    So the host(?) is interviewing a young 8 year old boy

    “And what does your daddy do?”

    Boy “he drives a big truck”

    “Oh so I guess he’s away out of town a lot?”

    Boy “ yes” with sad face

    “Well that’s okay, I guess you get to sleep with mom when he’s away”

    Boy still sad face “no, uncle Mike does that”

    No way!

  93. pts2pndr says:

    Professor Q: Yamamoto could be said to be an up arrow, too.

    You have your rose colored glasses on I see! I could have used a teacher like you grading me whole in school!

  94. Lowetide says:

    pts2pndr: You have your rose colored glasses on I see!I could have used a teacher like you grading me whole in school!

    Yamamoto from WJ end through injury was the best run by any Oilers prospect. Absolute plus arrow.

  95. Johnny Larue says:

    Scungilli Slushy: How many of us went on Popcorn Playhouse?

    I was on Popcorn playhouse it was a big deal back then of course also home every day at lunch to watch the Flinstones. Grilled cheese with Cream of Mushroom soup or KD amazing that if you grew up in Edmonton at a certain time everyone had a common experience. I am cautiously optimistic that with the new coaches ( great choices) we will be back on track. Of course I picked 106 points this year so what do I know.

  96. Johnny Larue says:

    Then of course look up look way way up it’s the friendly giant with Rusty the Rooster and Gerome the Giraffe

  97. Melman says:

    Let’s not forget a shoutout to The Great Gazoo

  98. VanIsleOil says:

    No chancey Mr Whelan!!!! Stampede Wrestling was a must-see for me as a kid. Abdullah The Butcher scared the shit out of me as well as the other circus of characters, Dan Kroffat, Les Thornton, The Stomper, and the badass Tor Kamata.

    This is back when wrestling was real.(at least I believed that as a 10-year-old)
    This was Wrestling Western Canadian style. I loved Ed Whalen

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2gflkx

  99. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lowetide: Yamamoto from WJ end through injury was the best run by any Oilers prospect. Absolute plus arrow.

    Well, yes, his post-WJ game was a huge up arrow until the playoffs (granted he was battling injury in the playoffs).

    He struggled for a few months after getting re-assigned, found his game but then struggled at the WHC and then went supernova until his injury before the playoffs.

    This is why I gave him an “even arrow” – his season was all over the place and the one super-nova run doesn’t give his draft plus 1 year an up arrow overall for me.

    That’s just me.

    I’m not soured at all on him – look forward to seeing him at rookie camp.

  100. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    dustrock: Look, dum dum.

    One for the hockey fans:

    Fred Flintstone: I know what you’re going to say. I don’t know anything about all of this, right?

    Wilma Flintstone: Right!

    Fred Flintstone: Has that ever stopped me from being an expert before?

    Story of my life

  101. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Andy Dufresne: Strong refernce indeed.

    I was in a similar scenario as you. Age 7 grade two……would go home for lunch and watch Flintstones.

    One day I got home for lunch, turned on the TV and the Flintstones were not on…….

    Turns out I had gone home…….at morning recess……

    Edit: Also raised on grilled cheese and Tomato Soup

    Home at recess is a good one

  102. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    VanIsleOil:
    When I was a little younger than my Flintstones at lunch with a couple of hot dogs days, the CFRN show that was exciting for young kids was none other than the fabulous “Popcorn Playhouse”

    Gotta love Klondike Mike,ol’ Muskeg, and of course, the “Gold Mine” with those awesome gold nuggets. Times were simpler then.

    http://www.avenueedmonton.com/September-2010/King-of-Popcorn/

    I was on Popcorn Playhouse for my 6th birthday.

    Won a King Kong board game that we never figured out how to play.

  103. Jaxon says:

    Highs and Lows of Players of interest:
    Source: Scouts Pronman, Wheeler, Kournianos, Button

    Dahlin 1 – 2
    Svechnikov 1 – 3
    Tkachuk 2 – 9
    Zadina 3 – 4
    Boqvist 4 – 7
    Hughes 4 – 10
    Kotkaniemi 4 – 12
    Wahlstrom 5 – 9
    Bouchard 5 – 18
    Veleno 5 – 27
    Heyton 7 – 24
    Dobson 8 – 20
    Bokk 8 – 29
    Farabee 9 – 27
    Merkley 10 – 46
    Wilde 11 – 25
    Kupari 11 – 23
    Denisenko 13 – 42
    Ylonen 14 – 59
    Kravtsov 15 – 18
    Noel 16 – 41
    Addison 21 – 61
    Miller 28 – 57
    Gruden 52 – 55

    There is so much disparity about some players this year. Seems more than most years.

  104. Lowetide says:

    When I arrived at CFRN in 1986, Eric Neville was still there doing work in the newsroom (sports, weather, he worked entirely on camera at that time iirc). He, Al McCann, Lisa Miller, wonderful people. Enjoyed my time there in a completely different time for the industry.

  105. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    GBandQ: see also:
    Denver sandwiches

    Ohhhhh ya.

    We went to visit my Maternal Grandparents on their farm north of North Battleford often, especially during seeding and harvest,

    It’s was a 7 (7!!) Hour drive back along the 2 lane highway that 16 was then and if money was tight it was Denver sandwiches for supper when we got home from that marathon.

    If money wasn’t tight then two fine pies from Victoria Pizza (156st and just North of Stony Plain Road) was the standard.

    Vic was owned by a friend’s parents so they always loaded up the pies.

    (I think they loaded them up anyhow, great pizza joint)

  106. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I was on Popcorn Playhouse for my 6th birthday.

    Won a King Kong board game that we never figured out how to play.

    I was really looking forward to throwing those Styrofoam “snowballs” at the targets on the Nail Board of Death.

    I was soooo pissed off that my first throw didn’t stick into the nails.

    That was almost 40 years ago and I haven’t thought about that in decades.

    Thanks for that everyone.

  107. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Heres the full cast

    Stony Curtis
    Perry Masonry
    Roxi Rubble
    Joe Rockhead
    Arnold
    Mr Slate
    Hoppy
    Bird
    Baby Puss
    Dino
    Bamm Bamm
    Pebbles
    Betty
    Willma
    Barney
    Fred
    The Great Gazoo

    Trivia Question Answer

    The Great Gazoo was voiced by actor Harvey Korman

    That’s not the full cast.

    Also,

    It was Perry Masonite, get it right.

    Perry- “Give me rocks on rocks”

    Perry-” Bartender, give it to me in a dirty glass”

    Fred- “wow, he is tough”

    Classic.

  108. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Melman:
    Let’s not forget a shoutout to The Great Gazoo

    Dustrock called me a dum-dum earlier in the thread

  109. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: That’s not the full cast.

    Also,

    It was Perry Masonite, get it right.

    Perry- “Give me rocks on rocks”

    Perry-” Bartender, give it to me in a dirty glass”

    Fred- “wow, he is tough”

    Classic.

    The bass line that played when Perry Masonite was walking was all world.

  110. digger50 says:

    Scungilli Slushy: No way!

    True and live TV!!

    I was too young to get the gaff, but my dad tells it over and over. It’s a good laugh.

  111. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Woodguy v2.0: That’s not the full cast.

    Also,

    It was Perry Masonite, get it right.

    Perry- “Give me rocks on rocks”

    Perry-” Bartender, give it to me in a dirty glass”

    Fred- “wow, he is tough”

    Classic.

    Awesome

    That is my favourite and friends favourite through our 20’s less than stellar behaviour era

    Rocks on rocks, in a dirty glass. Quite often met with a blank stare.

    Everybody’s first name (that was cool enough to love the Stones) was shortened and ended in ‘stone’. The restaurant I worked at with Stauffer even had that as my name on the receipts. Can’t remember if his was like that.

  112. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Woodguy v2.0: The bass line that played when Perry Masonite was walking was all world.

    His legs were even better, knees moving feet never lifting, I think we know where Michael got the Moonwalk from.

  113. Scungilli Slushy says:

    digger50: True and live TV!!

    I was too young to get the gaff, but my dad tells it over and over. It’s a good laugh.

    That needs to be on You Tube.

    Or maybe not, might be painful for the family.

  114. OriginalPouzar says:

    Is something wrong with my internet? My browser says its Lowetide but this convo is as weird as the “dink” conversation I was part of on twitter yesterday.

  115. Scungilli Slushy says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Is something wrong with my internet?My browser says its Lowetide but this convo is as weird as the “dink” conversation I was part of on twitter yesterday.

    Weird or awesome?

  116. OriginalPouzar says:

    This convo or the dink?

  117. deardylan says:

    I vote for awesome!

  118. Harpers Hair says:

    Lowetide:
    When I arrived at CFRN in 1986, Eric Neville was still there doing work in the newsroom (sports, weather, he worked entirely on camera at that time iirc). He, Al McCann, Lisa Miller, wonderful people. Enjoyed my time there in a completely different time for the industry.

    What about the security guard Len and his creepy daughter Donna?

  119. Harpers Hair says:

    Some chatter tonight that Sekera is on his way to Arizona as a salary dump.

  120. digger50 says:

    Harpers Hair:
    Some chatter tonight that Sekera is on his way to Arizona as a salary dump.

    Is this charter you pick up on Twitter?

    I’m not on Twitter. Curious

  121. Harpers Hair says:

    digger50: Is this charter you pick up on Twitter?

    I’m not on Twitter. Curious

    Yep.

  122. Lowetide says:

    Harpers Hair: What about the security guard Len and his creepy daughter Donna?

    DSF also worked there btw.

  123. Harpers Hair says:

    Lowetide: DSF also worked there btw.

    Lowetide: DSF also worked there btw.

    He did !?

  124. Jaxon says:

    Johnny Gruden seems like the most underrated player in this year’s draft. He’s ranked in the 50-55 range or even later (Pronman doesn’t have him in his top 74).

    He’s producing at a rate comparable to high end picks and he got moved from C to W part way through the season. Most see him as a C. He’s a responsible two-way player with good bloodlines. His dad played 92 games with Boston, Ottawa, and Washington and he was playing with Ottawa for one season when Chiarelli was assistant GM. From there, his dad was an assistant coach for the US National Development team and he just lost a heartbreaker in the Memorial Cup semi-finals as the Hamilton Bulldog’s head coach.

    The reason Gruden sticks out for me is his 5-on-5 Primary Pts and Goals production. It’s among the best in 13 seasons of WHL, OHL, QMJHL and 3 seasons of USHL. And none of the usual flags come up except he’s not very big. His scouting reports say he’s fast, he works hard, he’s a responsible 2-way player who penalty kills with a high hockey IQ.

    “He is a smart player who understands the game in all zones,” said David Gregory of NHL Central Scouting. “He’s responsible defensively, and very effective in the face-off circle when he plays center. He is versatile and can play the wing as well. He works hard and is not afraid to go to tough areas, and lets the play develop so he can create scoring chances. His skating is very strong, and he accelerates well with and without the puck.

    “He plays the game at a high pace, which is well-suited to how the pro game is trending. Goes to open areas to make himself an option on the attack. In general, he is a very complete player who improved throughout the season.”

    Look how many spots Gruden shows up in these draft analytics at Dobber prospects:
    https://dobberprospects.com/analytics-and-the-draft/

    He’s dominating on a team with Wahlstrom, Farabee and J Hughes, where he’s outperforming his peers in many categories.

  125. Jaxon says:

    Johnny Gruden:

    EXPECTED AGE & ERA ADJUSTED PRIMARY POINTS FOR CANADIAN JUNIORS SINCE 2004-05 AND USHL SINCE 2015-16 WITH MIN. 13.73 5-ON-5 TOI/GP & GF% OF 56% OR HIGHER.

    YEAR Name “AGE & ERA ADJ Expected 5-on-5 P1@TOP6TOI”
    2005 Sidney Crosby 48.18
    2015 Connor McDavid 44.02
    2018 Andrei Svechnikov 38.80***
    2015 Mitchell Marner 37.49
    2015 Dylan Strome 36.80
    2014 Robby Fabbri 33.93
    2007 Patrick Kane 32.41
    2013 Nathan MacKinnon 30.49
    2014 Sam Bennett 30.15
    2014 Spencer Watson 30.10
    2010 Taylor Hall 29.83
    2016 Pierre-Luc Dubois 29.43
    2016 Alex DeBrincat 29.20
    2016 Cameron Morrison 29.13
    2016 Adam Mascherin 29.04***
    2008 Steven Stamkos 28.87
    2018 Oliver Wahlstrom 28.79***
    2013 Jonathan Drouin 28.62
    2010 Tyler Seguin 28.53
    2006 Chris Stewart 28.11
    2009 Evander Kane 28.10
    2005 Bobby Ryan 28.02
    2017 Owen Tippett 27.81
    2018 Jonathan Gruden 27.62*****
    2017 Nick Suzuki 26.98
    2010 Tyler Toffoli 26.72
    2014 Nikolaj Ehlers 26.06
    2008 Tyler Ennis 26.04

    Also of note: Gruden’s GF% of 78.26% is the 2nd highest of all players on this list after Ehlers 80%.

  126. Scungilli Slushy says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    This convo or the dink?

    Convo. I’m not privy to what you tweet about 😀

  127. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Harpers Hair:
    Some chatter tonight that Sekera is on his way to Arizona as a salary dump.

    It would be very Oilers that they end up with Russell instead of Sekera when somebody needs to waive. Unless OEL is coming back then maybe.

  128. Justthestatsman says:

    Bag of Pucks:

    Remember the uproar when CFRN took the Flintstones off the air at lunchtime? For many, it felt like a part of our childhood died that day. You sir are my hockey Flintstones!

    It’s been great reading about everyone’s early childhood memories. For me it was Flintstones at lunch and Get Smart after school.

    One strong memory of this I have was on my birthday in the early 1970’s in the middle of the FLQ crisis. I came home for lunch expecting to watch the Flintstones and CFRN had cut away from the broadcast to show live news coverage of the release of the British diplomat James Cross, who had been kidnapped by the FLQ. I didn’t realize the significance of it then, I was just ticked off that I didn’t get to watch my favourite program.

  129. Harpers Hair says:

    Scungilli Slushy: It would be very Oilers that they end up with Russell instead of Sekera when somebody needs to waive. Unless OEL is coming back then maybe.

    Speculation is a third round pick,

  130. Lowetide says:

    Justthestatsman: It’s been great reading about everyone’s early childhood memories.For me it was Flintstones at lunch and Get Smart after school.

    One strong memory of this I have was on my birthday in the early 1970’s in the middle of the FLQ crisis.I came home for lunch expecting to watch the Flintstones and CFRN had cut away from the broadcast to show live news coverage of the release of the British diplomat James Cross, who had been kidnapped by the FLQ. I didn’t realize the significance of it then, I was just ticked off that I didn’t get to watch my favourite program.

    October 1970 was my first real experience with actual news. I asked my Dad hundreds of questions about the FLQ, and Trudeau, and what was a pretty frightening story for someone my age. I didn’t know it at the time, and certainly wouldn’t have identified it as being an important story, but it did awaken me to ‘news’ and the world around me.

  131. godot10 says:

    Professor Q: Yamamoto could be said to be an up arrow, too.

    His goal scoring rate in junior went down from his draft year. His goal scoring rate prior to his draft year was meh.
    He was injured.
    His World Juniors was poor.
    He didn’t score in the NHL though gifted a lot of time with McDavid.

  132. godot10 says:

    Lowetide: October 1970 was my first real experience with actual news. I asked my Dad hundreds of questions about the FLQ, and Trudeau, and what was a pretty frightening story for someone my age. I didn’t know it at the time, and certainly wouldn’t have identified it as being an important story, but it did awaken me to ‘news’ and the world around me.

    Don’t you remember the JFK funeral parade, or the Gemini rocket launches?

    The former is probably my first TV memory. The Gemini launches the 2nd. And then the 1966 Stanley Cup Finals where Montreal won the Cup but Roger Crozier won the Conn Smythe.

  133. leadfarmer says:

    Harpers Hair,

    Makes 0 sense. Defensemen is something they absolutely dont need. What they need is forwards. Although im sure Chayka likes Sekera

  134. trencan says:

    Réal Goudenyéu:
    RM with the possession game and Liverpool’s goalie shits the bed.

    It was devastating night for Liverpool, Salah injured, calamity Karius and fantastic goal by Bale…. YNWA

  135. OriginalPouzar says:

    Cam Hebig and the Regina Pats with a chance to win the Memorial Cup tonight.

  136. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    leadfarmer:
    Harpers Hair,

    Makes 0 sense.Defensemen is something they absolutely dont need.What they need is forwards.Although im sure Chayka likes Sekera

    Hjarlmasson isn’t the same as he was and quite honestly, Goligoski was terrible last year.

    OEL, Demers and Chychrun are good.

    Not sure they re-sign Schenn, he’s been playing 3rd pair.

  137. Seismic Source says:

    Ah the toons of my youth.

    Spider-Man and Rocket Robin Hood. They were the exact same cartoon and reused many of the same scenes.

    All the monsters in Hercules used the same hiss sound.

    Tom and jerry literally had a scene where a bag of puppy’s were thrown into a lake, and one where both Tom and Jerry committed suicide.

    We lived too far up north to get He-Man so they would come to us via VHS every blue moon by some kid who’s parents went to the city. That kid would be very popular.

  138. sliderule says:

    Jaxon,

    Gruden looks like a good second round pick.

    One thing to remember about these US development team players is their schedule.

    Almost a third is played against NCAA teams and another 15 or so against top international junior teams..The remainder are against USHL teams.

    I would say that the schedule they play is tougher than any CHL team.

    That is why I am very positive about Farabee ,Wahlstrom or Gruden

  139. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Harpers Hair: Speculation is a third round pick,

    Unless everyone but us knows he’s done that is another equity loss. He’s too good when healthy to go that cheaply. Sounds about right for the Oilers as we know them. 5.5M will soon be a bargain for 4 tool D (he’s not big).

    Or they could retain and get proper value.

  140. deardylan says:

    Posted this yesterday by accident in old “Coachella” section. My trifecta cartoon favs were after school in mid 80s: Thundercats, Transformers, GI Joe. When are they going to make the Thundercats movie? Anyone else watch these 3?

    Maybe I missed it but I didn’t see the fav cartoons of my two favorite NHL blogtoonists: Pouzar and the Original Pouzar.

    OP and P what cartoon did you watch when you were younger? What toons do you watch today?

    Came across this joke by Seinfeld on Netflix yesterday. Reminded me of Kassian for some reason.
    ====
    “Loyalty to any one sports team is pretty hard to justify.

    Because these days the players are always changing, the team could move to another city…you’re actually cheering for the clothes, when you get right down to it.

    You’re standing and cheering and yelling for your clothes to beat the clothes from another city.

    Fan will hate a player so much, but if he comes to our team and wears our clothes, we will cheer for him.

    Fans will be so in love with a player, but if he goes to another team, they’ll boo him.

    This is the same human being in a different jersey, they hate him now!

    Boo! Different jersey! He sucks…”

  141. Bag of Pucks says:

    First televised hockey memory was ‘Henderson scores’ in the Summit Series. Was in first grade in 72. Teacher rolled in a big old 70s tv into the classroom so he and we (but mainly he I’m sure : ) could participate in this ‘educational opportunity.’

    Was pretty damn exciting despite the fact that I didn’t have the foggiest idea of the significance of the game at that time.

    4 years later when the 76 Canada Cup was played, I was a full fledged hockey fiend and you couldn’t loosen my grip on Bobby Orr with a pair of plyers and a blowtorch,

  142. leadfarmer says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Talking more about money spent on D. Theres only so many 4 mil dollar dmen you can afford especially a budget team. Hjalmarraon contract is almost done so maybe they think that a year overlap is ok especially if they get Sekera for cheap

  143. OriginalPouzar says:

    sliderule: One thing to remember about these US development team players is their schedule.
    Almost a third is played against NCAA teams and another 15 or so against top international junior teams..The remainder are against USHL teams.

    This is good information as I’ve been curious and wondering how the USDT plays its games.

  144. Professor Q says:

    Woodguy v2.0: That’s not the full cast.

    Also,

    It was Perry Masonite, get it right.

    Perry- “Give me rocks on rocks”

    Perry-” Bartender, give it to me in a dirty glass”

    Fred- “wow, he is tough”

    Classic.

    Perry Gunite is different from Perry Masonary.

    Believe it or not I too watched Flinstones and Jetsons during my younger years, despite being a 90s babe.

    Along with other Hanna-Barbera and Looney Tunes.

  145. Andy Dufresne says:

    Woodguy v2.0: The bass line that played when Perry Masonite was walking was all world.

    Perry Gunite was a parody of Peter Gunn.

    It was a Perry Gunite line when they’re all in the bar together. “Bartender, rocks on the rocks, and put that in a dirty glass, ” and Fred says “Boy, that’s tough.” lol Perry basically ordered nothing but ice in a frosted glass.

    Perry Masonary is a spoof of Perry Mason.

    I cant find any utube clips of Perry Masonite

  146. Andy Dufresne says:

    Heres a more complete list of cast

    MAIN CHARACTERS

    Fred Flintstone
    Wilma Flintstone
    Pebbles Flintstone
    Barney Rubble
    Betty Rubble
    Bamm-Bamm Rubble
    Dino The Dinosaur
    Hoppy The Kangaroo

    CELEBRITIES

    Eppy Brianstone
    Alvin Brickrock
    Stony Curtis
    Jimmy Darrock
    Gary Granite
    Perry Gunite
    Rock Hudstone
    Mick Jadestone
    Jackie Kennerock
    Daisy Kilgranite
    Gina Loadabricks
    Ann Margrock
    Perry Masonary
    Ed Sulleystone
    Wednesday Tuesday

    SPORTS HEROES

    Bronto Crushrock
    Red Granite
    Daisy Kilgranite
    Sonny Listone
    Mickey Mantlepiece
    Roger Marble
    Lindy McShale
    Arnold Palmrock
    Floyd Patterstone
    Sandy Stoneaxe

    MONSTERS

    Frankenstone
    Uncle Ghastly
    Weirdly Gruesome
    Creepella Gruesome
    Gobby Gruesome
    Mr. J. Evil Scientist
    Mrs. J. Evil Scientist
    Count Rockula
    Rockzilla
    Dr. Sinister

    OTHER CHARACTERS

    Ben Cartrock
    Hoss Cartrock
    Little-Joe Cartrock
    88 Fingers Louie
    The Great Gazoo
    Tex Hardrock
    George Jetson
    Herman Munster
    Arnold Paper Boy
    Joe Rockhead
    Pearl Slaghoople
    Mr. Slate
    Samantha Stephens
    Darrin Stephens

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