Draft Post No. 2: Took Him Minutes, Took Her Nowhere

One year ago almost to the day, we were talking about trades. Jordan Eberle and Ryan Strome were front and center, although the actual transaction was two weeks away. My suggested trade that day worried mostly about money, but also addressed goaltending.

  • To New York: Jordan Eberle ($6 million times two, then UFA)
  • To Edmonton: Ryan Strome ($2.5 million times one, then RFA) and Jaroslav Halak ($4.5 million times one, then UFA).

THE ATHLETIC!

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Encouraging information, the larger the pool the better chances of a reasonable return. If Chiarelli can find multiple teams interested and make a deal that gets the team out from under, music! If he has to use No. 10 overall to get it done, that’s some crappy music.

PLUGGED IN

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  • Entry to a kick butt door prize
  • Appetizers
  • Live local entertainment with Paul Woida and Form 10
  • Silent Auction with amazing packages and an extraordinary Canvas created through the BEME 2018 attendees, Dawn Taylor, Sasha Wallace and the talented artist Giselle Denis
  • Skill Testing Activities: Patio Beer Pong, Musical Chairs, and a few fun surprises

I know many of you can’t attend, so there’s an option to donate here. You can read about some of the people who will benefit here. I thank you for reading.

Not certain if Bob did or didn’t, I didn’t hear the segment. I can tell you Barbour is a straight arrow. Tyson Barrie is an interesting player. We all have our favorite ways of evaluating, for me this is a player who should be able to post strong offensive numbers if given mondo power-play time.

This is a profile of two good defensemen, Barrie had the edge in more categories and Klefbom’s contract is a dream baby dream. Oscar wins the possession number, Barrie wins the rel. Defensively, they both need help (that’s my read, WG could give you more detail). Both are rock solid on the power play in these years (I ran Oscar healthy 2016-17).

THE END

My Mom loved Elvis. In our house, God was the highest presence, then Jesus, and a few miles down the road stood Elvis. My Mom was a sweet lady, full of life and laughter, and an ability to embellish a little or a lot. It led to some exasperating moments for me, like the time she (when I was about 15) told me he choreographed the entire Jailhouse Rock (song) scene from the movie Jailhouse Rock.

Mom had fallen into a trap we all do sometimes, I guess, making a hero into something more by projecting a skill or moment or trait onto them that does not belong. So it is with Canada, and heart, grit and things that really matter in the game of hockey. Despite what some people will tell you, those things do not stop at the border with the USA, they are capable of appearing in Sweden, Russia, Finland and Switzerland. Germany has grit, holy hell it’s right up there with precision.

So, on the day after Alexander Ovechkin won Stanley and Smythe, let’s put these two things to bed. Alex Romero created what was probably the first real rock and roll video by choreographing Jailhouse Rock brilliantly, and a Russian with grit, heart, sweat, blood and tears helped push his team to Stanley. Any day bias takes a step back is a good one, let’s collectively make it so.

As for Mom, well she has passed and I loved her too much to be mad about such things. It still drives me crazy though, along with her claim that Richard Clayderman was a member of the Beatles, and that Roger Whitaker is part of the Royal Family. Love you Mom, Elvis too.

THE TOP 10

I think we can all agree the first two names off the board will be Dahlin and Svechnikov, but after that it appears to be wide open. Filip Zadina should go in the top five overall, Noah Dobson and Matt Tkachuk are good bets too. After that, Evan Bouchard, Quinn Hughes and Jesperi Kotkaniemi should go quickly. That’s eight. Number 9? Oliver Wahlstrom is my guess, leaving Edmonton a group of kids (Smith, Boqvist, Farabee, Hayton) who have high value but are unlikely to break into the tier above. Will Edmonton trade up? They never do.

This is the prism through which I see this year’s draft. It is always interesting to get another point of view from someone you respect. Oh look! See what just dropped?

Fascinating list from Simon, who you know from his terrific twitter feed and his guest appearances on the Lowdown. I wonder if the names inside his top 10 that do not qualify as universal top 10 picks on all boards (Bokk, Dellandrea, Veleno) are also prominent on Edmonton’s list. It’s going to be a wild ride.

Interesting question from speeds, my first reaction was ‘offer sheet’ but that might have been due to speeds asking the question. 🙂 If the Oilers suddenly had $10 million in cap space I’d like to see them add Erik Karlsson but that’s not going to happen. James Neal has kind of been my free agent target, but with extra money maybe JvR is possible? I’d like to see them sign a scoring right-winger, a center and a second pairing RHD but don’t think you can get all that for $10 million via free agency. Let’s face it, Peter Chiarelli is going to have to get himself out of this mess, and Dusty’s tweet at the top shines like light down a mine shaft. I think we’re all encouraged, but I would caution you to remain mindful of what big deals look like with Chiarelli in Edmonton. Gird your loins.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A fun, busy day is planned and maybe we see some trade activity out of the box. It starts at 10 this morning, TSN1260, scheduled to appear:

  • Steve Lansky, BigMouthSports. Another NHL season complete, we’ll reflect.
  • Jay Ball and David Clanachan from FC Edmonton and CPL. A big big day for FC Edmonton.
  • Matt Iwanyk, TSN1260. What can you get in trade for Milan Lucic?
  • Brian Saipe, Castrol Raceway. A huge weekend at the track!

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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148 Responses to "Draft Post No. 2: Took Him Minutes, Took Her Nowhere"

  1. npanciroli says:

    Klefbom for Barrie is much better than Klefbom for Krug. I think this is a good trade, you get a better player on a less ideal contract, but you would need to unload Lucic for future salary reasons (Barrie gonna get PAID once a UFA).

    I think I might prefer Klefbom for Risto, but might be the minority?

    If they cleared up Sekera and Russel’s space I think I might go for Carlson.

  2. slopitch says:

    Id probably do Klef for Barrie. Man its tough to trade that contract 77 has though.

    Id really like to see Lucic moved for something not involving the 10. Seriously, 6 mill of cap space to this team would be sweet. It would let us bargain UFA shop in Sept. Or pickup a Mike Hoffman or Jeff Skinner type.

    Good on Ovie and the Caps. Probably 2 weeks to the draft!

  3. ArmchairGM says:

    To Vancouver:

    Milan Lucic

    To Ottawa:

    Loui Eriksson

    To Edmonton:

    Bobby Ryan ($1.25M retained)
    2019 2nd round pick (VAN)

    – Ottawa saves $1.25M in actual salary x 4 years, gets a similar player (boxcars) with a more buyout-friendly contract ($4,000,000 over 8 years vs $14,666,664 over 8 years actualy cost)
    – Vancouver gets the best player in the deal (even with his slump this year Lucic still outscored the others) for the same cap hit (similar dollars: 7/6/4/5/4 for Lucic vs 7/5/4/4 for Eriksson)
    – Edmonton gets a pick and a no-extra-cost bet on a skill winger, who is under contract for 1 fewer years than Lucic (4 more vs 5 more)
    – All three players could benefit from a change of scenery.

  4. ArmchairGM says:

    “… heart, grit and things that really matter in the game of hockey. Despite what some people will tell you, those things do not stop at the border with the USA, they are capable of appearing in Sweden…”

    And here I thought Borje Salming smashed those pre-conceptions.

  5. FUHR31 says:

    ArmchairGM, Looch,Klefbomb and Talbot for Carry Price
    ArmchairGM,

    Or Looch and Klefbomb for Letang and Brassard

  6. Acumen says:

    My guess, and maybe it’s an optimistic one, is that we’ll be looking at Lucic and spare parts for Niedereiter when it’s all said and done.

    There was smoke that the team was frustrated with Nino’s season relative to the (5.25m) contract he signed and his inconsistency, which should sound familiar to everyone here. But he’s young enough to fit our cluster and would be the perfect man to ride shotgun with Leon. Malice for Lucic on our fanbase’s behalf aside, he is still revered around he league (people have been talking about ‘the Lucic type player’ for a decade now), and he fits that Minnesota roster like a glove.

    Edit: Now, the BLIND optimist in me hopes for the Habs organization to still be in love with him after the chase in FA and something around Patches to be worked out. But my girlfriend, the Habs fan who still has a pained reaction when ever Subban is mentioned, might never look at me again.

  7. ArmchairGM says:

    “James Neal has kind of been my free agent target…”

    I don’t know – I kind of think he could be the next Lucic. How much would it take to sign him? $7M with term?

    44 points and -11 on a team that went to the Cup finals this year.
    41 points and -10 on a team that went to the Cup finals last year.

    31 years old at the beginning of next season. His negatives are described thusly:

    “His physical game can at times go overboard, as he sometimes plays over the edge. In general, he takes too many bad penalties. His skating is only average and his defensive game below current NHL standards.”

    Sound familiar?

  8. JimmyV1965 says:

    I think we have a decent shot at getting Wahlstrom if it wasn’t for those damn Rangers. There’s no way he slides past them. Winger is their weakest spot in the prospect pool. Wonder what it would take to switch places with the Hawks? I doubt the Hawks want him because wing is their strength.

  9. russ99 says:

    Klefbom for Barrie isn’t good because Barrie is worse without the puck than Klefbom.

    If we’re making that kind of trade, we should get back a player good in both ends, with solid offensive chops, preferably on the right side.

  10. ArmchairGM says:

    npanciroli:
    Klefbom for Barrie is much better than Klefbom for Krug. I think this is a good trade, you get a better player on a less ideal contract, but you would need to unload Lucic for future salary reasons (Barrie gonna get PAID once a UFA).

    I think I might prefer Klefbom for Risto, but might be the minority?

    If they cleared up Sekera and Russel’s space I think I might go for Carlson.

    I would prefer Ristolainen too, but I’m not sure why Buffalo does that. Risto is much more dependable in his own end than Barrie.

  11. Woogie63 says:

    If Lucic is giving PC a bigger list he would accept a trade to…this is win the battle but lose the war.

    The fact that a pro athlete in his prime would help facilitate moving FROM Edmonton is a message every player in the league will hear….again.

  12. Side says:

    Woogie63:
    If Lucic is giving PC a bigger list he would accept a trade to…this is win the battle but lose the war.

    The fact that a pro athlete in his prime would help facilitate moving FROM Edmonton is a message every player in the league will hear….again.

    I believe Lucic was in his prime about 6 years ago.

  13. Jordan says:

    I would like to see all Stanley Cup Champions granted honourary Canadian Citizenship.

    This way we could maintain the myth that only Canadians have the gritensity to win the Cup for the beloved bigots in our community AND continue to maintain the myth that Canada is an open and inclusive community to people from all over the hockey world.

    WRT Oilers roster construction…

    Don’t Trade Kelfbom. Don’t Trade Kelfbom. Don’t Trade Kelfbom.

    Move Lucic/Sekera/Russell if it makes sense (addresses a need) and doesn’t cost extra assets.

    Don’t trade for ANYONE who has skating issues.

    Don’t Trade Kelfbom. Don’t Trade Kelfbom. Don’t Trade Kelfbom.

    I’m with LT this summer. Keep your powder dry. Focus on Small moves. It’s what he does best.

  14. Andy Dufresne says:

    “This is a profile of two good defensemen, Barrie had the edge in more categories and Klefbom’s contract is a dream baby dream. Oscar wins the possession number, Barrie wins the rel. Defensively, they both need help (that’s my read, WG could give you more detail). Both are rock solid on the power play in these years (I ran Oscar healthy 2016-17).”

    IMO
    1) Barrie is a consistent scorer with a lengthy track record going back to Jr.
    2) If you take away the 2016-17 season Klefbom has no record of being a scorer, NONE.

    Klefbom is about a league average 2nd pairing defenceman. With Kelfboms injury history (avg 62 games played per season over the last 5 seasons). It is his contract that makes it possible that Sakic would even consider such a trade.

  15. Oilin4 says:

    23 years old, on a gorgeous contract, coming off a down year. Only a fool gets into trade discussions like that.

    My theory on D: It takes 250-300 games for an NHL D to learn the game at that level. Plus, because of the complexity of the position, they don’t peak until the frontal cortex of their brains fully develop (approx. 25 for men). Don’t give up on D until they’re 27.

    Average Oilers’ fan theory on D: When this guy was drafted I had expectations he would be the next (Keith, OEL, Weber, whatever). He’s 23 years old and hasn’t met my expectations, so he’s a useless bum. Trade him for magic beans (draft picks outside top 20) or a 28 year old on an ugly contract.

    Sometimes it works and we the fans run out a player we paid the full load for developing just before he hits his prime in exchange for magic beans. See Petry, Jeff; Schultz, Justin.

    DON’T TRADE KLEFBOM! Full stop.

  16. ArmchairGM says:

    Oilin4:
    23 years old, on a gorgeous contract, coming off a down year. Only a fool gets into trade discussions like that.

    My theory on D: It takes 250-300 games for an NHL D to learn the game at that level. Plus, because of the complexity of the position, they don’t peak until the frontal cortex of their brains fully develop (approx. 25 for men). Don’t give up on D until they’re 27.

    Average Oilers’ fan theory on D: When this guy was drafted I had expectations he would be the next (Keith, OEL, Weber, whatever). He’s 23 years old and hasn’t met my expectations, so he’s a useless bum. Trade him for magic beans (draft picks outside top 20) or a 28 year old on an ugly contract.

    Sometimes it works and we the fans run out a player we paid the full load for developing just before he hits his prime in exchange for magic beans. See Petry, Jeff; Schultz, Justin.

    DON’T TRADE KLEFBOM! Full stop.

    Preach it, brother.

  17. Andy Dufresne says:

    Woogie63:
    If Lucic is giving PC a bigger list he would accept a trade to…this is win the battle but lose the war.

    The fact that a pro athlete in his prime would help facilitate moving FROM Edmonton is a message every player in the league will hear….again.

    IMO. We live in a cap world. We are talking about trading a contract more so than trading a player. Any move that releases you from an albatross contract for the price of a 3rd round pick and a year or two of some other bad contract is a VERY good thing.

  18. texmex says:

    Question for the group:

    If you could trade one of Lucic, Sekera or Russell, who do you choose? Need to considered what sweeteners and or how much money needs to be retained.

    I think I would trade Sekera.

  19. npanciroli says:

    texmex,

    Lucic only because of the contract being much worse. I think we are thinner on Forward so that is the only problem.

    I think Sekera over Russell even though I like the player more just again due to injury and risk of contract.

  20. Munny says:

    LT said…

    Roger Whitaker is part of the Royal Family

    I knew it! No commoner can whistle like that.

  21. Oilin4 says:

    Further to previous post. Barrie-Klef trade possibilities, there are basically four outcomes:

    1 Barrie stays how he is and Klef is the average of the last two years. Players basically the same and we lose cause of term and cap
    2 Barrie follows typical aging curve and gets worse. Klef follows his and gets better. Massive loss. Becomes Chias second worst trade
    3 2016-17 version is who Klef really is, but last year was an injury-plagued down year. He recovers and follow his aging curve and is a legit top 2 D for 5 years on a bargain contract. Barrie gives you 2 good years where you pay market value for his services. This goes down as a massive loss, and arguably Chia’s worst trade
    4 Klef never gets over his injury history, stops developing, and is in and out of the lineup. Becomes a 4/5 D for the remainder. 4.167 is fair market value for a 4/5 D. Barrie stays who he is. This is the only way we win the trade.

    Summary: Most likely #1: Lose the trade. Next most likely #2: Massive loss. Next most likely #4: *Barely* win. Possible #3: Horrendous loss. Final nail in the coffin for the team.

    DON’T TRADE KLEFBOM!

    STOP INTENTIONALLY LOSING TRADES! If you dig yourself into a hole, the first step to getting out is to stop digging. Except Chia’s thinking is essentially: “No Dig UP! Stupid!”

  22. Munny says:

    Didn’t Chia draft Kessel?

    Just sayin’

    (yes I know it wasn’t that simple)

  23. Andy Dufresne says:

    Anthony Bourdain was kind of a hero of mine…..someone I related to and desired to emulate.

    Here are 30 pearls of wisdom to feast on from Mr. Bourdain. Enjoy the meal.

    1. “Your body is not a temple, it’s an amusement park. Enjoy the ride.”

    2. “I always entertain the notion that I’m wrong, or that I’ll have to revise my opinion. Most of the time that feels good; sometimes it really hurts and is embarrassing.”

    3. “Luck is not a business model.”

    4. “If I’m an advocate for anything, it’s to move. As far as you can, as much as you can. Across the ocean, or simply across the river. Walk in someone else’s shoes or at least eat their food. It’s a plus for everybody.”

    5. “Travel is about the gorgeous feeling of teetering in the unknown.”

    6. “Skills can be taught. Character you either have or you don’t have.”

    7. “I don’t have to agree with you to like you or respect you.”

    8. “As you move through this life and this world you change things slightly, you leave marks behind, however small. And in return, life–and travel–leaves marks on you. Most of the time, those marks–on your body or on your heart–are beautiful. Often, though, they hurt.”

    9. “I’m not afraid to look like an idiot.”

    10. “Without experimentation, a willingness to ask questions and try new things, we shall surely become static, repetitive, and moribund.”

    11. “Maybe that’s enlightenment enough: to know that there is no final resting place of the mind; no moment of smug clarity. Perhaps wisdom…is realizing how small I am, and unwise, and how far I have yet to go.”

    12. “You learn a lot about someone when you share a meal together.”

    13. “The journey is part of the experience – an expression of the seriousness of one’s intent. One doesn’t take the A train to Mecca.”

    14. “I’m a big believer in winging it. I’m a big believer that you’re never going to find perfect city travel experience or the perfect meal without a constant willingness to experience a bad one. Letting the happy accident happen is what a lot of vacation itineraries miss, I think, and I’m always trying to push people to allow those things to happen rather than stick to some rigid itinerary.”

    15. “Cooking is a craft, I like to think, and a good cook is a craftsman — not an artist. There’s nothing wrong with that: the great cathedrals of Europe were built by craftsmen — though not designed by them. Practicing your craft in expert fashion is noble, honorable and satisfying.”

    17. “Travel changes you. As you move through this life and this world you change things slightly, you leave marks behind, however small. And in return, life–and travel–leaves marks on you.”

    18. “Don’t lie about it. You made a mistake. Admit it and move on. Just don’t do it again. Ever.”

    19. “Travel isn’t always pretty. It isn’t always comfortable. Sometimes it hurts, it even breaks your heart. But that’s okay. The journey changes you; it should change you. It leaves marks on your memory, on your consciousness, on your heart, and on your body. You take something with you. Hopefully, you leave something good behind.”

    20. “The way you make an omelet reveals your character.”

    21. “Assume the worst. About everybody. But don’t let this poisoned outlook affect your job performance. Let it all roll off your back. Ignore it. Be amused by what you see and suspect. Just because someone you work with is a miserable, treacherous, self-serving, capricious and corrupt asshole shouldn’t prevent you from enjoying their company, working with them or finding them entertaining.”

    22. “I’m not going anywhere. I hope. It’s been an adventure. We took some casualties over the years. Things got broken. Things got lost. But I wouldn’t have missed it for the world.”

    23. “[When I die], I will decidedly not be regretting missed opportunities for a good time. My regrets will be more along the lines of a sad list of people hurt, people let down, assets wasted and advantages squandered.”

    24. “Without new ideas success can become stale.”

    25. “I wanted kicks – the kind of melodramatic thrills and chills I’d yearned for since childhood, the kind of adventure I’d found as a little boy in the pages of my Tintin comic books.”

    26. “Cream rises. Excellence does have its rewards.”

    27. “What are our expectations? Which of the things we desire are within reach? If not now, when? And will there be some left for me?”

    28. “I’m very type-A, and many things in my life are about control and domination, but eating should be a submissive experience, where you let down your guard and enjoy the ride.”

    29. “I learned a long time ago that trying to micromanage the perfect vacation is always a disaster. That leads to terrible times.”

    30. “I can unload my opinion on anybody at anytime.”

  24. SkaSaxGuy says:

    Acumen:
    My guess, and maybe it’s an optimistic one, is that we’ll be looking at Lucic and spare parts for Niedereiter when it’s all said and done.

    There was smoke that the team was frustrated with Nino’s season relative to the (5.25m) contract he signed and his inconsistency, which should sound familiar to everyone here. But he’s young enough to fit our cluster and would be the perfect man to ride shotgun with Leon. Malice for Lucic on our fanbase’s behalf aside, he is still revered around he league (people have been talking about ‘the Lucic type player’ for a decade now), and he fits that Minnesota roster like a glove.

    Edit: Now, the BLIND optimist in me hopes for the Habs organization to still be in love with him after the chase in FA and something around Patches to be worked out. But my girlfriend, the Habs fan who still has a pained reaction when ever Subban is mentioned, might never look at me again.

    I’d love to get Nino for Lucic; he’s incredibly underrated and coming off a bad year. If we’re going full optimist, I’d love to see Lucic to Montreal for Galchenyuk. They don’t play him as a center anyways and I know Montreal was in on Lucic pretty hard. Only caveat there is if Lucic is trying to escape the spotlight of a Canadian city, Montreal would arguably be worse. BUT CULTURE…or something.

  25. crabman says:

    Woogie63:
    If Lucic is giving PC a bigger list he would accept a trade to…this is win the battle but lose the war.

    The fact that a pro athlete in his prime would help facilitate moving FROM Edmonton is a message every player in the league will hear….again.

    Lucic came to Edmonton to play with McDavid. He said so in his press conference announcing his signing. He was beaming with excitement. After 2 years he now knows he can’t keep up and his opportunity to play on McDavid’s wing has past. Lucic is a proud man and probably realizes his time as a top6 winger in Edmonton are probably over and would like a change of scenery and an opportunity to be the top6 winger he still sees himself as.

  26. meanashell11 says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Anthony Bourdain was kind of a hero of mine…..somone I related to and desired to emulate.

    Here are 30 pearls of wisdom to feast on from Mr. Bourdain. Enjoy the meal.

    1. “Your body is not a temple, it’s an amusement park. Enjoy the ride.”

    2. “I always entertain the notion that I’m wrong, or that I’ll have to revise my opinion. Most of the time that feels good; sometimes it really hurts and is embarrassing.”

    3. “Luck is not a business model.”

    4. “If I’m an advocate for anything, it’s to move. As far as you can, as much as you can. Across the ocean, or simply across the river. Walk in someone else’s shoes or at least eat their food. It’s a plus for everybody.”

    5. “Travel is about the gorgeous feeling of teetering in the unknown.”

    6. “Skills can be taught. Character you either have or you don’t have.”

    7. “I don’t have to agree with you to like you or respect you.”

    8. “As you move through this life and this world you change things slightly, you leave marks behind, however small. And in return, life–and travel–leaves marks on you. Most of the time, those marks–on your body or on your heart–are beautiful. Often, though, they hurt.”

    9. “I’m not afraid to look like an idiot.”

    10. “Without experimentation, a willingness to ask questions and try new things, we shall surely become static, repetitive, and moribund.”

    11. “Maybe that’s enlightenment enough: to know that there is no final resting place of the mind; no moment of smug clarity. Perhaps wisdom…is realizing how small I am, and unwise, and how far I have yet to go.”

    12. “You learn a lot about someone when you share a meal together.”

    13. “The journey is part of the experience – an expression of the seriousness of one’s intent. One doesn’t take the A train to Mecca.”

    14. “I’m a big believer in winging it. I’m a big believer that you’re never going to find perfect city travel experience or the perfect meal without a constant willingness to experience a bad one. Letting the happy accident happen is what a lot of vacation itineraries miss, I think, and I’m always trying to push people to allow those things to happen rather than stick to some rigid itinerary.”

    15. “Cooking is a craft, I like to think, and a good cook is a craftsman — not an artist. There’s nothing wrong with that: the great cathedrals of Europe were built by craftsmen — though not designed by them. Practicing your craft in expert fashion is noble, honorable and satisfying.”

    17. “Travel changes you. As you move through this life and this world you change things slightly, you leave marks behind, however small. And in return, life–and travel–leaves marks on you.”

    18. “Don’t lie about it. You made a mistake. Admit it and move on. Just don’t do it again. Ever.”

    19. “Travel isn’t always pretty. It isn’t always comfortable. Sometimes it hurts, it even breaks your heart. But that’s okay. The journey changes you; it should change you. It leaves marks on your memory, on your consciousness, on your heart, and on your body. You take something with you. Hopefully, you leave something good behind.”

    20. “The way you make an omelet reveals your character.”

    21. “Assume the worst. About everybody. But don’t let this poisoned outlook affect your job performance. Let it all roll off your back. Ignore it. Be amused by what you see and suspect. Just because someone you work with is a miserable, treacherous, self-serving, capricious and corrupt asshole shouldn’t prevent you from enjoying their company, working with them or finding them entertaining.”

    22. “I’m not going anywhere. I hope. It’s been an adventure. We took some casualties over the years. Things got broken. Things got lost. But I wouldn’t have missed it for the world.”

    23. “[When I die], I will decidedly not be regretting missed opportunities for a good time. My regrets will be more along the lines of a sad list of people hurt, people let down, assets wasted and advantages squandered.”

    24. “Without new ideas success can become stale.”

    25. “I wanted kicks – the kind of melodramatic thrills and chills I’d yearned for since childhood, the kind of adventure I’d found as a little boy in the pages of my Tintin comic books.”

    26. “Cream rises. Excellence does have its rewards.”

    27. “What are our expectations? Which of the things we desire are within reach? If not now, when? And will there be some left for me?”

    28. “I’m very type-A, and many things in my life are about control and domination, but eating should be a submissive experience, where you let down your guard and enjoy the ride.”

    29. “I learned a long time ago that trying to micromanage the perfect vacation is always a disaster. That leads to terrible times.”

    30. “I can unload my opinion on anybody at anytime.”

    He was a hero of mine as well. I miss him already. Thank you for this.

  27. Munny says:

    Woogie63:
    If Lucic is giving PC a bigger list he would accept a trade to…this is win the battle but lose the war.

    The fact that a pro athlete in his prime would help facilitate moving FROM Edmonton is a message every player in the league will hear….again.

    Like Kessel (allegedly) and Fleury in Pittsburgh?

    Sorry, but I think the concern here is a little overwrought.

  28. Oilin4 says:

    Oh no, not Lucic to Montreal. There’s a right handed, point-producing, PP specialist D in Montreal. Chiarelli checks all his boxes in one fell swoop.

  29. sumaclab says:

    If Lucic is traded its a massive off season for Chia. If its done with little or no retention there will dancing in my household. I could see a scenario where its a total gong show come July 1st.Its the 7th of June and there are crickets on the JT front in NY.
    I keep banging the drum for JT as an Oiler. A Lucic move would make signing JT viable.

    Merry Christmas and Happy JT year.

  30. crabman says:

    texmex,

    I would move Lucic 1st. Because of the length of the contract and it would be the hardest to buy out. I think he is a 3rd line winger next year and $6M is too much for that player and that position could be more easily filled on the cheap than defencemen that can play on the 2nd pair. I believe Sekera will bounce back and if the rumors about Klefbom being moved happen Sekera is the 2LD next year and will still hold value after next year if they decide to move him then. And although $4M is more than I would like to pay a bottom pair defenceman, it is the lowest cap hit, he can play in the 2nd pair and kill penalties and I see his $4M as more value than Lucic’s $6M. Worse case scenario the team eats the last year of Russell’s contract with a buyout to avoid protecting him come expansion time.

  31. Munny says:

    russ99:
    Klefbom for Barrie isn’t good because Barrie is worse without the puck than Klefbom.

    If we’re making that kind of trade, we should get back a player good in both ends, with solid offensive chops, preferably on the right side.

    Might be Myers instead of Barrie.

  32. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – Great post LT! Losts of stuff

    – For the record, as per contest: trading Lucic or Klef after very poor years is crazy talk: we’ll see..

    – I’ve posted this for the last few years. It’s a diversion for the summer: we all get to be arm-chair GM’s. Contest the off-season elaborate version of Hunters. Winner gets a donation to LT.

    What will the Oilers do (not what should they do, or what you would do!)?:

    1) Who will be the first drafted player by the Oil this year?
    2) Length and AAV of Nurse’s contract (or traded?)?
    3) Length and AAV of Benning’s contract (or traded)?
    4) Length and AAV of Strome’s contract (or traded)?
    5) Do any of Marody, Benson, Bear or other non-roster org players make the team for game 1?
    6) Will another senoir Hockey management type come in? Bonus Who?
    7) Who will be Lucic’s C when puck drops for game 1?
    8) Who will be Jesse’s C when puck drops for game 1?
    9) Who will be Kailer’s C when puck drops for game 1?
    10) Who of Klef, Larsson, Nurse, Russel, Benning, Sek aren’t on opening day roster: replacements?
    11) How many hockey trades does Chia make: bonus is one is named?
    12) Who is the most expensive Edmonton off-season FA signing?: bonus if you get multiple right

    Please answer in the the following format so I can cut and past easy:

    1
    2
    3
    4
    5
    6
    7
    8
    9
    10
    11
    12

  33. OriginalPouzar says:

    Thank you for posting the Tyson Barrie numbers – he shows better at evens than I figured. With that said, my guess, and this is just a guess without research, is that his QOC was a bit easier at evens. In 2016/17, Klef/Larsson essentially split the tough/elite opposition minutes at evens (with Sekera/Russell) and, my guess is that Barrie saw easier competition.

    Even with a trade that MAY improve the team next year (a Klefbom for Barrie trade may or may not make the team better), I still have MASSIVE hesitation trading Klefbom unless its an absolute CLEAR win.

    Reason is contract.

    Given our cap structure, we all know that its imperative that we balance the anchors contracts and other high-end (but earned) contracts with value contract.

    At the very least, Klefbom is highly likely to be value for his contract, for 5 years, and there is a very reasonably probability that it becomes a value contract.

    In 2 years, Barrie needs to be re-signed and will require a raise (if he doesn’t require a raise then we likely lost the trade).

    Management needs to do all they can to not move these solid contracts with term (i.e Klefbom, Larsson) or high end prospect/draft picks (10th overall) for future cap reasons.

  34. Scungilli Slushy says:

    I’ve mentioned before a few points about Lucic. I’m not surprised he’s open to a trade. He’s a classy guy, shat the bed, his pride would lead him to honour a request from PC because he didn’t carry his end of the bargain.

    Also not surprising is that teams would be interested. It is clear still that GMs value tough players with game. Rutherford added gritensity after seeming to be all analytics. The reality of the playoffs is that the refs put the whistle away and attempts to intimidate rise accordingly.

    Lucic is still riding his considerable rep as the top power forward in the game. He’s a quality guy and teams also value that in the room as the Oilers did and hard working serious pros do help team culture if it’s suspect.

  35. OriginalPouzar says:

    “I think we can all agree the first two names off the board will be Dahlin and Svechnikov”
    _____________________________
    Your consistent guest on Lowetide has Hughes at 2 – I guess that’s a ranking and not a mock – I would think even Simon would say that Hughes won’t go second.

  36. OriginalPouzar says:

    I responded to speeds around 4am this morning in between sets – if we are moving out $10M including one of the left shot D that isn’t Nurse or Klef, that opens us up for a material RD acquisition so that oubvious answer is to sign John Calrsson and then replace Lucic on LW with a lower end bet such as Vladislav Namestnikov.

    Of course, Carlsson is the pipeiest of all pipe dreams so, more realistically, maybe we look to acquire Ryan Pulock for the 2RD (guys like Ryan Ellis will be too expensive, including acquisition cost and re-signing cost) and look for a more substantial LW replacement.

    Of course, as unrealistic as signing Carlsson is moving that $10M out without material cap hit coming back. I would think Lucic could be moved by retaining about $1.5M. Russell could be bought out – the cap hit this year would be around $1.3M I believe (it would be $3.6M, I believe) in year 3.

  37. judgedrude says:

    texmex:
    Question for the group:

    If you could trade one of Lucic, Sekera or Russell, who do you choose? Need to considered what sweeteners and or how much money needs to be retained.

    I think I would trade Sekera.

    Lucic…the buyouts for Sekera and Russel aren’t terrible if worse came to worse. Lucic’s contract is buyout-proof with the huge signing bonuses.

    Edit: … I see Lucic is at the top of CapFriendly’s buyout list.

    https://www.capfriendly.com

  38. --hudson-- says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    Brilliant! Thanks for this. RIP Mr. Bourdain

  39. Truth says:

    What bothers me is that the Oilers (or at least those with inside information) are intent on finding the right return for Klefbom. Klefbom is on a great contract, shows great promise, and worst of all is coming off a horrible injury riddled season. This is epitome of selling low. Keep him unless the return is as if he had a career year.

    Lucic is done and I’m glad he’s open for a trade. He tried hard two seasons ago and had some good luck go his way. Last season was a combination of bad luck and him realizing his age. Getting old sucks, knowing it and experiencing it affect him is a lot for his pride I suspect. Him getting roasted everywhere around town can’t help either, albeit justified for the money he makes. I hope they find a good home for him while the Oilers make out with a better contract in return.

    As for Chiarelli. Why force us fans to watch as he continues to make poor decisions? He needs results now or he’s toast by this time next season. Unfortunately he will have no concerns in trading long term success for another year or two as Edmonton GM. Horrible situation having a GM known for getting absolutely swindled in trades being desperate as he is.

  40. godot10 says:

    //Nielson tweet: From what I’ve been told the number of teams Lucic would be willing to be moved too is larger than most of us would think.//

    McLellan and Lucic must be in a serious state of dislike.

    The Oilers, Chiarelli, Lowe, and MacT got what they wanted…Lucic IN, Hall OUT. A severe case of be careful what you wish for.

  41. Psyche says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    Thanks for this Andy.

    Bourdain was a favourite of mine. I’m going to miss his curiosity and appreciation for other cultures. Still shocked and saddened by his passing.

  42. godot10 says:

    If LA is willing to take Lucic, I wouldn’t mind Rieder back as part of that deal.

    Lucic and Klefbom for Phaneuf and Rieder.

  43. Andy Dufresne says:

    Riffing off the idea that Carolina ownership wants to add toughness/physicality/character/leadership……

    Id move Lucic to Carolina

    Lucic and a 2019 2nd (or our two 2019 3rds) for Justin Faulk

    I doubt that Lucic would want to go Carolina. But you never know.

  44. Truth says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    +1. Horribly sad day.

  45. Ribs says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    Good stuff. Following him on his adventures on Parts Unknown was a real treat. He will be missed 🙁

  46. PennersPancakes says:

    godot10:
    If LA is willing to take Lucic, I wouldn’t mind Rieder back as part of that deal.

    Lucic and Klefbom for Phaneuf and Rieder.

    I think I just threw up in my mouth a little bit. Wouldn’t Lucic for Phaneuf be close enough to a wash? At least closer than the difference in Klefbom and Rieder for sure!?!

  47. PennersPancakes says:

    Andy Dufresne: Lucic and a 2019 2nd (or our two 2019 3rds) for Justin Faulk

    In a heart beat. Faulk might not be the same player he used to be but this would be a huge step in correcting some of Chias previous mistakes.

  48. Andy Dufresne says:

    MEANASHELL11
    HUDSON
    PYSCHE
    TRUTH
    RIBS

    Thank you guys.

    Helps to show that “in real life” we have many things in common that we too rarely find the time to share.

  49. Alpine says:

    I wonder about the Rangers being a fit, due to cap space and being a team Looch might waive for. Now the Rags are getting smarter these days it seems but their forward group is young-ish and cheap for now at least before they sign their RFAs. Skjei and Hayes might get nice raises at the very least.

    For bad contracts they don’t have much. I don’t want to the Oilers to touch Staal but he has less term than Lucic. I still pass. Don’t think they’re too happy with Shattenkirks season but he was hurt and he only had eyes for NY in free agency. Lundqvist is overpaid for what he brings these days. Not sure he wants to leave NYR and not many teams would want that contract unless NYR retain a lot.

    The Rags did trade JT Miller pretty unexpectedly for extra prospects to be included for McDonagh so maybe they’re not done trading RFA aged players for more magic beans. Looch has a Cup so maybe playing for rebuilding team in destination he likes isn’t too far fetched.

  50. Andy Dufresne says:

    PennersPancakes: In a heart beat. Faulk might not be the same player he used to be but this would be a huge step in correcting some of Chias previous mistakes.

    Whenever I contemplate these things I try to take the approach that if it doesnt hurt then its probably not realistic. Like you, I do Lucic and the 2019nd “in a heartbeat”. So maybe its more realsistic to make it Lucic and 2019 2nd and the two 3rds…….or even Lucic and the 2019 1st….and even this assumes that Carolina really likes the Lucic “Player Type”

  51. russ99 says:

    Weren’t last summer’s assumptions of “He’s gonna put it all together” bad enough?

    Why repeat history? Win instead.

    I see nothing wrong with realizing that last summer was a mistake and to correct it, we need higher-end talent. There’s no reason to fear Chia because he’s “desperate”. If anything this is the more measured approach, rational decisions on players with enough NHL games to see if they’re going to become any better and moving them for players that can make us better now, and the team more successful.

    Too many of our fans have picked pretty silly hills to die on with this franchise. I’m ok with a painful deal or two if we get postseason hockey next year.

    In the end, the only player that really matters is McDavid, and he’s going to need progress to stick around here more than another 2-3 years.

  52. Alpine says:

    I’m curious where the idea to trade Lucic started from within the org. They probably know he’s done but knocking a year and more salary off his deal while waiting for a SH% rebound is more palatable than shipping him out now. You never assume the Oilers ever think logically in these situations but you’d think they liked him enough not to move him too soon.

    Must be some push from Lucic’s end to move on. He had the worst year of his career by far and with only one playoff appearance and some bone chilling cold weather mixed in. He has never played on a team as bad as last year’s Oilers in his entire career. McDavid might be the lone positive thing about his time in Edmonton.

  53. JimmyV1965 says:

    Oilin4:
    Further to previous post. Barrie-Klef trade possibilities, there are basically four outcomes:

    1 Barrie stays how he is and Klef is the average of the last two years. Players basically the same and we lose cause of term and cap
    2 Barrie follows typical aging curve and gets worse. Klef follows his and gets better. Massive loss. Becomes Chias second worst trade
    3 2016-17 version is who Klef really is, but last year was an injury-plagued down year. He recovers and follow his aging curve and is a legit top 2 D for 5 years on a bargain contract. Barrie gives you 2 good years where you pay market value for his services. This goes down as a massive loss, and arguably Chia’s worst trade
    4 Klef never gets over his injury history, stops developing, and is in and out of the lineup. Becomesa 4/5 D for the remainder. 4.167 is fair market value for a 4/5 D. Barrie stays who he is. This is the only way we win the trade.

    Summary: Most likely #1: Lose the trade. Next most likely #2: Massive loss. Next most likely #4: *Barely* win. Possible #3: Horrendous loss. Final nail in the coffin for the team.

    DON’T TRADE KLEFBOM!

    STOP INTENTIONALLY LOSING TRADES! If you dig yourself into a hole, the first step to getting out is to stop digging. Except Chia’s thinking is essentially: “No Dig UP! Stupid!”

    I’m not commenting on the trade, but I don’t think you can call Barrie an aging dman. He’s two years older than Klef.

  54. Andy Dufresne says:

    Who are the Teams Lucic is most likely to accept a trade to?

    Vancouver
    Montreal
    LA
    Anaheim
    NYR
    Boston
    Las Vegas (close to his LA home)
    who else?

    Who are the teams that might be interested?

    Carolina
    LA
    Buffalo
    who else?
    Vancouver?

  55. ashley says:

    Lucic has negative trade value. So something else has to go with him. Say there is some young third line winger with speed coming back. What would you rather send? Lucic and Klefbom? Or Lucic and #10OV?

    I would keep Klefbom and then look at the free agent market with the spare cash. #10OV is a project with unknown arrival date. We are inside the window for the McDavid cluster right now.

  56. JimmyV1965 says:

    I’m fine with trading Lucic if we get some kind of value in return, even if it means eating something like $1.5 mill. But trading him as a salary dump and we move out real assets is mismanagement of the greatest magnitude.

    One of two things will happen with Lucic this year. He returns to form and produces at an acceptable level in the regular season and becomes valuable in the playoffs. Or he craps the bed again and is nothing more than a fourth liner.

    If he recovers we can trade him next year when he has more value. If he sucks, we trade him as a salary dump. And it likely costs us less because there’s one less year on his deal.

    Trading him for a salary dump now is gross mismanagement.

  57. Melvis says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    I had a bit of an essay lined up this am, but you seen to have covered all of the salient points. If I ever kindled some sort of flame, or bro love for anybody in the celeb world since that first essay in the New Yorker in ’99, it was Bourdain.

    I can only hope Eric Ripert and his Buddhist temperament floated him across the river and through the other side.

    I’ve done both back and front of house in some of Toronto’s finer restaurants while paying off some tuition costs. The life, and it’s inhabitants, among the most interesting people I’ve ever met. Their resident stories certainly parallel Kitchen Cofidential. And all of them can claim chapters in that book and many more of his episodes and recipes over the following years.

    The noose isn’t for me. Rather more – most of a lifetime wrestling the black dogs…. The major depression, the bi-polar mood disorder, the anxiety attacks, the ptsd. And the md’s, two shrinks, a psycholigist or two… plus 14 years of copious amounts of big pharma cure alls. Rather more – a couple of links of vacuum cleaner hose and two rolls of gaffers tape in the trunk of various cars owned over two decades.

    I’ve never talked about this. But Bourdain. That fuckin hurts.

    Thank the Gords for that 3rd reading in the Senate yesterday. Hallelujah. Oh Hallelujah…

  58. Melvis says:

    Edit:

    I should have hit quote rather than reply. Just generalizing.

  59. Andy Dufresne says:

    If the Oilers LOVE a particular draft prospect and need to move up a little THEN

    Edmonton trade 10 and 40.
    to
    Rangers for 9 and 48.
    or to
    Detroit for 6 and 67

    Conversely, if the Oilers see MANY of the players after the top 7 as close to equal, THEN

    Edmonton trade 10 and 40
    to
    Dallas for 13, 44 and 75.
    or to
    Florida for 15 and 34 and 123

  60. DBO says:

    Would Ottawa do:

    Lucic, Klefbom, Puljujarvi and our 1st
    for
    Karlsson and a prospect

    Theres the money for Karlsson to re sign at $8.5 or $9.0 million, and still leave some over ensuring we don’t move Nuge. Frees up money this year to sign a RW (maybe Neal). It’s a lot, but it balances back end, clears out money, addresses our greatest need. It does possibly burn us for the expansion draft, but Chia is playing for his job, not 3 years from now.

  61. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – Also re: Klef and Lucic: we basically need better and healthier performances than this year’s Klef and Lucic to improve greatly.

    – I think the most prudent way to improve on Lucic and Klef is to hope they will improve. Trading them, I think you get less than Klef or Lucic from this year in return, and give up their upside, with players with less upside: if that makes sense

  62. Andy Dufresne says:

    Melvis:
    Andy Dufresne,

    I had a bit of an essay lined up this am, but you seen to have covered all of the salient points. If I ever kindled some sort of flame, or bro love for anybody in the celeb world since that first essay in the New Yorker in ’99,it was Bourdain.

    I can only hope Eric Ripert and his Buddhist temperament floated him across the river and through the other side.

    I’ve done both back and front of housein some of Toronto’s finer restaurants while paying off some tuition costs. The life, and it’s inhabitants, among the most interesting people I’ve ever met. Their resident stories certainly parallel Kitchen Cofidential. And all of them can claim chapters in that book and many more of his episodes and recipes over the following years.

    The noose isn’t for me. Rather more –most of a lifetime wrestling the black dogs…. The major depression, the bi-polar mood disorder, the anxiety attacks, the ptsd. And the md’s, two shrinks, a psycholigist or two… plus 14 years of copious amounts of big pharma cure alls.Rather more – a couple of links of vacuum cleaner hose and two rolls of gaffers tape in the trunk of various cars owned over two decades.

    I’ve never talked about this. But Bourdain. That fuckin hurts.

    Thank the Gords for that 3rd reading in the Senate yesterday. Hallelujah. Oh Hallelujah…

    That is powerful MELVIS. Really.

    And in no way to make light of the situation…..but the next time you and I butt heads in this forum maybe we can think of this day and this spirit that we share, and attempt to be a little kinder to one another.

    Im going to make a point of it.

  63. --hudson-- says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: What will the Oilers do (not what should they do, or what you would do!)?:

    1) Who will be the first drafted player by the Oil this year?
    2) Length and AAV of Nurse’s contract (or traded?)?
    3) Length and AAV of Benning’s contract (or traded)?
    4) Length and AAV of Strome’s contract (or traded)?
    5) Do any of Marody, Benson, Bear or other non-roster org players make the team for game 1?
    6) Will another senoir Hockey management type come in? Bonus Who?
    7) Who will be Lucic’s C when puck drops for game 1?
    8) Who will be Jesse’s C when puck drops for game 1?
    9) Who will be Kailer’s C when puck drops for game 1?
    10) Who of Klef, Larsson, Nurse, Russel, Benning, Sek aren’t on opening day roster: replacements?
    11) How many hockey trades does Chia make: bonus is one is named?
    12) Who is the most expensive Edmonton off-season FA signing?: bonus if you get multiple right

    Really enjoy the discussion these questions generate! I had a look at last years list:
    1) Which Oil player will Vegas select?:
    2) Who is our first pick in the Entry Draft?
    3) Does Ebs get moved? (bonus if you pick for who)
    4) Does RNH get moved (bonus if you pick for who)
    5) Who is our back-up G on game 1?
    6) Total $ amount/years for Russell (0 is an answer)
    7) Total $ amount/years of McDavid’s contract?
    8) Total $ amount/years of Drai’s contract?
    9) Which 2 D dress with Larsson/Klef/Nurse/Benning on game 1?
    10) Biggest off-season F acquired in terms of salary?:
    11) Is Jessie playing in NHL game 1?
    12) How many roster trades does Chia make?

    Did anybody on the blog get a lot of hits?

    I would guess with hindsight, the blog is upset with the way Chiarelli addressed 3 of the items, Eberle trade, Russell contract and Drai’s contract. Interesting way to look back regardless. Wonder what we will say a year from now.

  64. ArmchairGM says:

    ArmchairGM:
    To Vancouver:

    Milan Lucic

    To Ottawa:

    Loui Eriksson

    To Edmonton:

    Bobby Ryan ($1.25M retained)
    2019 2nd round pick (VAN)

    – Ottawa saves $1.25M in actual salary x 4 years, gets a similar player (boxcars) with a more buyout-friendly contract ($4,000,000 over 8 years vs $14,666,664 over 8 years actualy cost)
    – Vancouver gets the best player in the deal (even with his slump this year Lucic still outscored the others) for the same cap hit (similar dollars: 7/6/4/5/4 for Lucic vs 7/5/4/4 for Eriksson)
    – Edmonton gets a pick and a no-extra-cost bet on a skill winger, who is under contract for 1 fewer years than Lucic (4 more vs 5 more)
    – All three players could benefit from a change of scenery.

    No comments. Was it that bad?

  65. JimmyV1965 says:

    DBO:
    Would Ottawa do:

    Lucic, Klefbom, Puljujarvi and our 1st
    for
    Karlsson and a prospect

    Theres the money for Karlsson to re sign at $8.5 or $9.0 million, and still leave some over ensuring we don’t move Nuge. Frees up money this year to sign a RW (maybe Neal). It’s a lot, but it balances back end, clears out money, addresses our greatest need. It does possibly burn us for the expansion draft, but Chia is playing for his job, not 3 years from now.

    Karlsson’s price is closer to $12 than $9. And I still want him!!

  66. npanciroli says:

    ArmchairGM,

    I think it looks pretty solid. Hard to break down the individual pieces. Maybe too high a pick for Van but I really dunno.

    Maybe the pick goes to Ottawa instead?

  67. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    –hudson–: Really enjoy the discussion these questions generate!I had a look at last years list:
    1) Which Oil player will Vegas select?:
    2) Who is our first pick in the Entry Draft?
    3) Does Ebs get moved? (bonus if you pick for who)
    4) Does RNH get moved (bonus if you pick for who)
    5) Who is our back-up G on game 1?
    6) Total $ amount/years for Russell (0 is an answer)
    7) Total $ amount/years of McDavid’s contract?
    8) Total $ amount/years of Drai’s contract?
    9) Which 2 D dress with Larsson/Klef/Nurse/Benning on game 1?
    10) Biggest off-season F acquired in terms of salary?:
    11) Is Jessie playing in NHL game 1?
    12) How many roster trades does Chia make?

    Did anybody on the blog get a lot of hits?I would guess with hindsight, the blog is upset with the way Chiarelli addressed 3 of the items, Eberle trade, Russell contract and Drai’s contract.Interesting way to look back regardless.

    – Yeah, I think its a neat exercise *pats his own back*

    – For me, the exercise tries to crystallize the things that impact the roster and team going forward

    – Maybe this year collectively, as we know the tendencies we will do better. The big question is the fear/expectation that Chia will blow it up to save his job, or because he’s a bad GM, vs growth IMO

    – Generally we have been not very good at sussing out what the team does in the off-seasons

    * I wish I could track down the one from 3 years ago (when I think it was Lead who called the Larsson trade)

  68. Andy Dufresne says:

    Melvis,

    “Thank the Gords for that 3rd reading in the Senate yesterday. Hallelujah. Oh Hallelujah…”

    I smoked pot regularly from age 16 to 25. I LOVED IT!

    Decided literally in “one day” to quit. I knew that it would cost me a few friends…and it did. But I also decided that day to return to University and finish my degree. The commitment that I made to myself that day was that I would abstain, be responsible, and driven, throughout my middle age……BUT that I would return one day to the Hazy Lazy Crazy times of my youth….when at age 60 I would once again partake in the demon weed. Well it came early….Im 57 and my government is giving me permission to carry out my plan. And I swear that the day the bill passes there will be a party at my house to rival the Mortgage Burning Party of 2015 …….Hallelujah INDEED!

  69. Munny says:

    I, personally, cannot wait till July 1, so I can try weed for the first time.

    😉

  70. Kinger_Oil.redux says:


    –hudson–,

    – Actually I found it from 3 years ago, when we got Pool (note I have a them about getting rid of McT/Howson, etc: and each year they stay!). Plus ca change….

    1) Who will the first player drafted by the Oil this year?
    2) Name one D that the Oil will acquire, not currently on roster
    3) Name another D that the Oil will acquire, (no one is fine as anwer)
    4) Who will be the backup goalie next year
    5) Will one of the Steve Austins (Ebs/Hall/RNH) be traded (bonus point to pick right one(s))
    6) Which NHL roster players will be bought-out or sent to AHL before start of next season
    7) Who is going to be the forward acquired with the biggest salary in the off-season (no one fine)
    8) Will MacT and/or Howson be “reassigned”?
    9) How many separate trades will the Oil complete (bonus if you name one)
    10) Of Griff/Nurse/Davidson/Osterle/Klef: which ones will be on starting roster for first game

  71. Andy Dufresne says:

    OriginalPouzar: Even with a trade that MAY improve the team next year (a Klefbom for Barrie trade may or may not make the team better), I still have MASSIVE hesitation trading Klefbom unless its an absolute CLEAR win.

    Reason is contract.

    I get your point. But IMO, that contract is the ‘leverage” that makes a Klefbom for Barrie deal at all possible. Praise the negotiator of that contract and use the leverage to fill a glaring hole in your roster.

  72. ArmchairGM says:

    npanciroli:
    ArmchairGM,

    I think it looks pretty solid. Hard to break down the individual pieces. Maybe too high a pick for Van but I really dunno.

    Maybe the pick goes to Ottawa instead?

    I thought about that, but then Eriksson is getting very similar results to Ryan (last two years), so they aren’t going to have a big dropoff in ability. Also, Ottawa’s ownership is concerned about money, and Eriksson’s contract was frontloaded while Ryan’s is backloaded, so they’ll be saving actual dollars even with the retention on Ryan. The cap hit will be the same, but that won’t matter to the Sens one way or another – it’s actual dollars that count.

    I think the Sens come out ahead on the transaction as-is, so that’s why I have the pick going to Edmonton.

    Lucic
    16-17 82, 23-27-50
    17-18 82, 10-24-34

    Ryan
    16-17 62, 13-12-25
    17-18 62, 11-22-33

    Eriksson
    16-17 65, 11-13-24
    17-18 50, 10-13-23

    Also, all these teams are gambling that the players will rebound in their new settings. If they don’t, Ottawa carries the least risk: Eriksson’s buyout is the cheapest of all (actual dollars), Ryan’s is the most expensive. Both Vancouver and Ottawa can absorb buyout cap hits, actual dollar of the buyout is another story. Basically, if all three players suck next year and are bought out by their respective clubs, Edmonton will be hurt the most with Ryan’s buyout, Ottawa the least with Eriksson’s. This plus considering the difference in player quality means Edmonton gets the pick, not Ottawa.

  73. Andy Dufresne says:

    Munny:
    I, personally, cannot wait till July 1, so I can try weed for the first time.

    lol
    .
    I, personally, cannot wait till July 1, so I can try weed legally for the first time. 🙂

    Fixed that for ya…as the kids like to say….

  74. classict says:

    ArmchairGM,

    Seems like a fair enough trade but all 3 players have modified NTCs. Doubtful Ottawa would be on Eriksson’s list of teams

  75. Oilin4 says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    If the Oilers LOVE a particular draft prospect and need to move up a little THEN

    Edmonton trade 10 and 40.
    to
    Rangers for9 and 48.
    or to
    Detroit for 6 and 67

    Conversely, if the Oilers see MANY of the players after the top 7 as close to equal, THEN

    Edmonton trade 10 and 40
    to
    Dallas for 13, 44 and 75.
    or to
    Florida for 15 and 34 and 123

    I love the idea of trading down. According to this draft value chart, 10, 40 and 133 is worth more than 14 and 19. Maybe Philly really likes whoever falls.

    http://statsportsconsulting.com/main/wp-content/uploads/Schuckers_NHL_Draftchart.pdf

    Either that or increase the number of picks rather than positioning in later rounds. Say 10 for 13 and 75.

  76. Ray says:

    Warning, possible crazy ramblings here.

    I see Lucic plus a “sweetener” to Vancouver for Sutter as a possibility.

    I think Sutter had underperformed the last year and a half in Van and they might look at this move as an upgrade.

    Sutter might come here and be our 3RC making it possible to trade Strome for a similar upside winger, maybe even to NYI for Eberle? 🙂

  77. Melvis says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    I get that. The herb derailed the hamsters and treadmills in my head and often served to derail them – thus pointing me into much greater positive prduction. Odd as that may seem.

    I’m not one to sit around up to the elbows in a jar of peanut butter, a double meat pizza, and a pint of chocolate chip.

    Legality simply puts an end to chasing my “guy’ around for an ozee of the finest. Thing is, I’m in my sixth, a ” don’t give a damn” decade… essentially financially, dependents, and otherwise worry free.

    I don’t have to commute to a cubicle on a daily basis. I can commute to the backyard, and listen to the birds singing while I mess aaround with the barbecue. In between I mess with a camera, oodles of doodles in a sketchbook or a Macbook. ..while wondering about Lucic and whether Putin is going to end up pissing in that cup.

  78. leadfarmer says:

    I have not been so happy for an individual to win the cup since Ray Bourque. Now Ov can enjoy his career without those stupid “lack leadership” and not enough “character” to win a cup like those good ole North American boys.
    When he was asked when he decided to be a vocal leader he should have just punched the guy yesterday because we all know if Ovechkin was just a better leader he would have won several cups by now like Sidney Crosby

  79. Lowetide says:

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    The @MapleLeafs announced today that the hockey club has acquired a conditional seventh-round draft pick in the 2020 NHL Draft from the Edmonton Oilers in exchange for the rights to forward Nolan Vesey. #TMLtalk

    2:31 PM – 8 Jun 2018

  80. zatch says:

    Lowetide,

    THE NOLAN VESEY SWEEPSTAKES ARE OVER

  81. RonnieB says:

    DBO:
    Would Ottawa do:

    Lucic, Klefbom, Puljujarvi and our 1st
    for
    Karlsson and a prospect

    Theres the money for Karlsson to re sign at $8.5 or $9.0 million, and still leave some over ensuring we don’t move Nuge. Frees up money this year to sign a RW (maybe Neal). It’s a lot, but it balances back end, clears out money, addresses our greatest need. It does possibly burn us for the expansion draft, but Chia is playing for his job, not 3 years from now.

    1. Can’t imagine Lucic being willing to waive his NMC for Ottawa.
    2. Even if Lucic waives, Klefbom + JP + #10 is an awfully high price to pay for just 1 guaranteed year of Karlsson and an unspecified prospect. You can’t get Karlsson committed to an extension until July 1st, which is well after the draft; also, Karlsson has repeatedly expressed his intention to wait for free agency in 2019 before he agrees to a new contract. I suspect that if you offered him McDavid’s contract with his name substituted for Connor’s he would change his mind on that, but can the Oilers really afford to have $39.5 million per annum tied up in 4 players ? McDavid, Karlsson, Draisaitl and Nuge.

  82. npanciroli says:

    ArmchairGM,

    Yeah actually with the actual money owed it makes a lot of sense.

    Interesting gamble – this is where the pro scouts make or break your trades.

  83. Jordan says:

    ashley:
    Lucic has negative trade value.So something else has to go with him.Say there is some young third line winger with speed coming back.What would you rather send?Lucic and Klefbom?Or Lucic and #10OV?

    I would keep Klefbom and then look at the free agent market with the spare cash.#10OV is a project with unknown arrival date.We are inside the window for the McDavid cluster right now.

    Lucic has negaitve trade value to you.

    That doesn’t mean that everyone sees him that way.

    We only need one GM to see him differently for this conversation to change.

    I’m not happy with his performance last year, but I also recognize that this performance last year was significantly out of step with his historical norms.

    I don’t think it will take a lot of convincing for people to believe that last year was an aberration for the big man.

    If that becomes the narrative, he becomes very tradeable.

    If he recovers his form, it may even be a loss for the Oilers.

    So, lets not presume that he’s a negative asset. Such a presumption reflects one perspective, not reality.

  84. OriginalPouzar says:

    They signed Vesey to a 2-year ELC.

    He’ll provide some LW depth in Bakersfield next year I would think.

  85. Lowetide says:

    Jeff Veillete, a fine writer in Toronto, talks about Vesey here:

    http://faceoffcircle.ca/2017/09/30/2017-leafs-top-prospects-37-nolan-vesey/

  86. OriginalPouzar says:

    It was nice of the Oilers to wait until the SCF were over before announcing the P. Russell and N. Vesey signings in order to not steal attention…..

  87. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jordan: Lucic has negaitve trade value to you.

    That doesn’t mean that everyone sees him that way.

    We only need one GM to see him differently for this conversation to change.

    I’m not happy with his performance last year, but I also recognize that this performance last year was significantly out of step with his historical norms.

    I don’t think it will take a lot of convincing for people to believe that last year was an aberration for the big man.

    If that becomes the narrative, he becomes very tradeable.

    If he recovers his form, it may even be a loss for the Oilers.

    So, lets not presume that he’s a negative asset.Such a presumption reflects one perspective, not reality.

    While I do think he has negative value right now at $6M it may not be quite as negative as the fan-base generally thinks it is. I believe with retaining salary of apx $1.5M, leaving a $4.5M cap hit, he could become more tradeable.

    Further, if he’s traded after July 1 and after the Oilers pay the $3.5M bonus, he becomes even more attractive to a team with an internal cap – actual dollars spent after that point for the remainder of the contract are much less than his cap hit.

    With that said, with respect to your post regarding his performance, I would have to say that its been a very poor 2 years, not just 1 year. His even strength play in 2016/17 was pretty much as bad as last year but he was abnormally productive on the PP – like double his previous PP highs.

    2 years of declining play is much more concerning and makes a recovery less likely. Maybe GMs won’t dig in to his 2016/17 stats that closely and not realize it was a PP heater.

    I do think Lucic recovers to around 20-25-45 next year.

  88. Jordan says:

    Any word on what the conditions are on the 7th the Oilers are sending to Toronto for Vesey?

  89. Wilde says:

    When is the Condors recruitment chopper going to lower the ladder for Austin Ortega?

  90. Munny says:

    Lowetide:
    Leafs PR

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    The @MapleLeafs announced today that the hockey club has acquired a conditional seventh-round draft pick in the 2020 NHL Draft from the Edmonton Oilers in exchange for the rights to forward Nolan Vesey. #TMLtalk

    2:31 PM – 8 Jun 2018

    WAITAMINUTE!

    You follow Leafs’ Twitters?

    I dunno, man.

  91. Lowetide says:

    Munny: WAITAMINUTE!

    You follow Leafs’ Twitters?

    I dunno, man.

    Know thy enemy.

  92. --hudson-- says:

    OriginalPouzar: While I do think he has negative value right now at $6M it may not be quite as negative as the fan-base generally thinks it is. I believe with retaining salary of apx $1.5M, leaving a $4.5M cap hit, he could become more tradeable.

    Further, if he’s traded after July 1 and after the Oilers pay the $3.5M bonus, he becomes even more attractive to a team with an internal cap – actual dollars spent after that point for the remainder of the contract are much less than his cap hit.

    With that said, with respect to your post regarding his performance, I would have to say that its been a very poor 2 years, not just 1 year.His even strength play in 2016/17 was pretty much as bad as last year but he was abnormally productive on the PP – like double his previous PP highs.

    2 years of declining play is much more concerning and makes a recovery less likely.Maybe GMs won’t dig in to his 2016/17 stats that closely and not realize it was a PP heater.

    I do think Lucic recovers to around 20-25-45 next year.

    Yep I agree with your take. If they make a trade now an opposing GM may think the poor stats are due to happenstance and not a decline in ability. That’s one positive of most of the team having a poor year and the optics of firing the coaching staff.

    If the Oilers can’t make a trade, hopefully Lucic recovers to be a productive player, or at least keep open the possibility of trade. If he has another down year, then he really faces the chance of losing his career. He could be facing a buyout, a bad trade, or LTIR. Hopefully an amnesty buyout to save the cap situation if the NHL or NHLPA decide to exit out of the CBA in 2019.

    One infuriating angle I am curious about, how much of a drag was Lucic on Eberle’s offence last year? If I recall correctly, that set of wingers couldn’t buy a goal until they went on a heater at the end of last season.

  93. pts2pndr says:

    Lowetide:
    Jeff Veillete, a fine writer in Toronto, talks about Vesey here:

    http://faceoffcircle.ca/2017/09/30/2017-leafs-top-prospects-37-nolan-vesey/

    Only one question LT. Why? There doesn’t seem to be reason. If we keep Safin in the A and bring in Benson it would seem to me to cause one of our young developing players to get fewer at bats.

  94. Ribs says:

    pts2pndr: Only one question LT. Why? There doesn’t seem to be reason.

    Chiarelli doesn’t want to stick around until Round 7 on day 2 of the draft. BORING!!

  95. vangolf says:

    Melvis:
    Andy Dufresne,

    I get that. The herb derailed the hamsters and treadmills in my head and often served to derail them – thus pointing me into much greater positive prduction. Odd as that may seem.

    I’m not one to sit around up to the elbows in a jar of peanut butter,a double meat pizza, and a pint of chocolate chip.

    Legality simply puts an end to chasing my “guy’ around for an ozee of the finest. Thing is, I’m in my sixth,a” don’t give a damn” decade… essentially financially, dependents,andotherwise worry free.

    I don’t have to commute to a cubicle on a daily basis. I can commute to the backyard, and listen to the birds singing while I mess aaround with the barbecue. In between I mess with a camera, oodles of doodles in a sketchbook or a Macbook. ..while wondering about Lucic and whether Putin is going to end up pissing in that cup.

    Melvis,
    You’re the best. While I am not generally a partaker of the herb, there is something to say for it’s influence on the golf swing. Once a year or so, I head out to the range and hit some truly soaring irons with complete body and swing awareness…real chicken soup for the soul.

  96. Lowetide says:

    pts2pndr: Only one question LT. Why? There doesn’t seem to be reason. If we keep Safin in the A and bring in Benson it would seem to me to cause one of our young developing players to get fewer at bats.

    He’s stockpiling young players in the AHL and using future assets to do it. This young man doesn’t appear to be a fabulous bet, but he’s miles ahead of Colin Larkin and you never know. I expect they ‘saw him good’ and it was worth the pick to see how things work out. I am generally okay with this kind of deal, although trading draft picks sure seems to be something Mr. Chiarelli does.

  97. Jordan says:

    Just went back to review who the Oilers have drafted in the 7th round.

    Kristians Pelss.

    Man, that story just doesn’t get any easier. Still feel sad about it.

  98. Bling says:

    The Vesey trade seems like a very low ceiling kind of bet.

    The scouts do so much work for this one day, not sure why you’d make this kind of move.

  99. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    godot10:
    If LA is willing to take Lucic, I wouldn’t mind Rieder back as part of that deal.

    Lucic and Klefbom for Phaneuf and Rieder.

    You should be able to swap Lucic and Phaneuf without adding anything from EDM’s side. He slid down to the 3rd pair in the playoffs for LAK.

    That means Klef for Reider straight up.

    That’s bad.

  100. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    ashley:
    Lucic has negative trade value.

    Ashley, I’m not picking on you or referencing you in particular, but you posted this so that is why I’m quoting it.

    That said:

    If Lucic has negative trade value where you need to take a shitty contract back that means you can’t trade him straight up for a 7th.

    That means many people here owe Caramel Batman an apology.

    If Peter manages to trade Lucic for more than that, then everyone can shit talk Caramel Batman.

    I, for one, am waiting on the edge of my seat for the Lucic trade.

  101. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jordan:
    Any word on what the conditions are on the 7th the Oilers are sending to Toronto for Vesey?

    I’ve got to assume the condition vested when we signed him.

  102. rickithebear says:

    So when measuring a players influence.
    We identify what units they can fill.
    We know avg GF/GA per 60 for
    Special teams is 6.35
    Even is 2.35

    When you look at special team play.
    Generating PPG is 2.7 times easier than at even
    Preventing PPG is 2.7 times harder than at even
    It is 5.4 times harder to achieve the same Unit goal dif affect on special teams when penalty killing.
    So points on pp have 2.7 times less value than at even.

    Klefbom the one year in a HD system playing with a top 5 HD dman
    82gm 12g 26a 38p
    7evg 14eva 21evp +7 unit goal dif
    3ppg 13ppa 16ppp
    0shg 1sha 1shp
    Under non HD sys without larson
    60 gm 4g 15a 19p
    4 evg 10 Eva 14 Evp -15 unit goal dif
    0ppg 4 ppa 4 ppp
    0 shg 1 sha 1 shp

    Barrie last 3 seasons
    73gm 11g 37a 48p
    7 evg 20 Eva 27 evp -18 unit goal dif
    4 ppg 16 ppa 20 ppp
    0 shg 1 sha 1 shp

    Karlson with top 25 HD dman methot 2/3 of even minutes.
    80gm 18g 55a 73p
    14evg 30 Eva 44 Evp +5 unit goal dif
    4 ppg 24ppa 28 ppp
    0 shg 1 sha 1 shp
    This year without Methot

    Barrie was -15 Even unit differential
    He played 253.72 PPTOI which is 4.229 60 minute segments.
    To make up 15 goals; 15/4.229 = +3.55 ppg/60
    He must on a PPUnit generating 3.55 above league average
    3.55 + 6.35 = 9.90 ppg for/60
    To be a top 60 unit dif dman +9 which requires making up 24 goals
    A 12.03 ppg first/60

    He is what I always call an anchor dman
    Boat anchor!

  103. Biggus Dickus says:

    The new Phaneuf contract probably isn’t coming back for Lucic. I wonder if we retain on Lucic and Russel if we can rebuild on the fly. If you were able to turn those two in 8million in space, you might be able to bring in 2 or 3 decent forwards. Though getting Maroon back would still have us behind where we started last year, which is nowhere near good enough to compete. But you could maybe plug some holes in the ship to help develop the KYs and JPs of the world.

  104. OriginalPouzar says:

    –hudson–:
    Hopefully an amnesty buyout to save the cap situation if the NHL or NHLPA decide to exit out of the CBA in 2019.

    Yes, a compliance buyout could be an option – but who knows, that may not be an option in the new CBA – seems likely though.

    Just so we are all on the same page, the league (and then the players) have the option of the early opt out in September 2019 but the early opt out would be effective after the 2019/20 season, in September 2020 (two years early).

  105. godot10 says:

    Jordan:
    Any word on what the conditions are on the 7th the Oilers are sending to Toronto for Vesey?

    Probably signing a contract. If he decided to become a UFA on August 15th, then nohting. I would guess anyways.

  106. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bling:
    The Vesey trade seems like a very low ceiling kind of bet.

    The scouts do so much work for this one day, not sure why you’d make this kind of move.

    The pick we gave up is in the 2020 draft so, I’m thinking, a 7th round pick in the 2020 draft, if he ever even signs an NHL contract, let alone plays an NHL game, will likely play that first NHL game around 2024-25.

    I know the amateur scouts work hard but I have zero concern about giving up a 7th rounder 2 years from now even though the player acquired is unlikely to ever play in the NHL – he’ll provide some nice depth and cover in the minor leagues for the next few years.

  107. commonfan29 says:

    Just a public service announcement, as I realize this has not been well communicated by the federal government:

    Cannabis will not be legal on July 1st. It’s currently targeted generally for “Summer” or even “Fall” 2018.

  108. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Melvis:
    Andy Dufresne,

    I had a bit of an essay lined up this am, but you seen to have covered all of the salient points. If I ever kindled some sort of flame, or bro love for anybody in the celeb world since that first essay in the New Yorker in ’99,it was Bourdain.

    I can only hope Eric Ripert and his Buddhist temperament floated him across the river and through the other side.

    I’ve done both back and front of housein some of Toronto’s finer restaurants while paying off some tuition costs. The life, and it’s inhabitants, among the most interesting people I’ve ever met. Their resident stories certainly parallel Kitchen Cofidential. And all of them can claim chapters in that book and many more of his episodes and recipes over the following years.

    The noose isn’t for me. Rather more –most of a lifetime wrestling the black dogs…. The major depression, the bi-polar mood disorder, the anxiety attacks, the ptsd. And the md’s, two shrinks, a psycholigist or two… plus 14 years of copious amounts of big pharma cure alls.Rather more – a couple of links of vacuum cleaner hose and two rolls of gaffers tape in the trunk of various cars owned over two decades.

    I’ve never talked about this. But Bourdain. That fuckin hurts.

    Thank the Gords for that 3rd reading in the Senate yesterday. Hallelujah. Oh Hallelujah…

    I have no idea what to say but know I need to say something to show my love for you.

  109. Richard S.S. says:

    Acquiring an asset for a 7th Round Pick three drafts away is excellent asset management. Anyone who complains about this must like to complain.

    Milan Lucic will be very motivated to be better now, more than ever. In the two years he has been an Oiler, Connor McDavid has not missed a game. Many Teams understand family distractions, bad shooting luck, the need for position change. Milan Lucic has a demand, just not the Oilers. I expect Connor McDavid to start missing games to injury when Milan is no longer an Oiler.

  110. rickithebear says:

    Bottom 20 unit goal dif dmen
    Leddy -42
    Goligoski -31
    Petry -30
    Keith -29
    OEL -28
    Skjei -27
    Ceci -27
    Faulk (Car) -26
    Karlsson -25
    Ristolienen -25
    Pouliot -22
    Harpur -21
    Hanafin -20
    Beaulieu -19
    Elder -18
    Deangelo -18
    Burns -16
    T J Brodie -16
    Faulk (Buf) -16
    Barrie -15
    Phaneuf -15
    Sekera -15

    Klefbom -12 bottom 30 #275
    Bear 18gm -11 bottom 35 #270
    Russell -7 bottom 60 #245

  111. pts2pndr says:

    Lowetide: He’s stockpiling young players in the AHL and using future assets to do it. This young man doesn’t appear to be a fabulous bet, but he’s miles ahead of Colin Larkin and you never know. I expect they ‘saw him good’ and it was worth the pick to see how things work out. I am generally okay with this kind of deal, although trading draft picks sure seems to be something Mr. Chiarelli does.

    Tnx LT. I really like the Hebig signing but am not sure about the older college players although Benning seem to be a good aquisition.

  112. leadfarmer says:

    rickithebear,

    Just saw your post yesterday. You must be sore from that stretch.
    Top HD teams
    Actually
    Washington is one of the worst HD teams in the league. And overall one of the worst possession teams to ever make the playoffs
    Vegas was as middle of the row as they come.

    Actually they are quite the antiBear teams defensively. Both teams play a version of man to mancoverage where defensemen follow their “man” out of the high danger area which is about the least Bear thing they could do

    Top HD goalies
    Actually
    Holtby was so bad this season that he got benched at the start of the playoffs and posters on here were talking about they wouldnt take him for free

    So I would say this years finals is a demonstration of how Far away the Ricki model is from success

  113. leadfarmer says:

    rickithebear,

    So what you are saying is defensemen that play hard minutes on crappy teams have crappy stats.
    That is groundbreaking work

  114. Ribs says:

    I thought Lucic would possibly be difficult to trade and then he’s featured as the top article on TSN this morning and I remember…. There is Only One Milan Lucic.

    Chiarelli will get something back for him. I just hope it’s not another one of his wild bets.

  115. Mr DeBakey says:

    Jordan: I’m not happy with his performance last year, but I also recognize that this performance last year was significantly out of step with his historical norms.
    I don’t think it will take a lot of convincing for people to believe that last year was an aberration for the big man.
    If that becomes the narrative, he becomes very tradeable.
    If he recovers his form, it may even be a loss for the Oilers.

    As I mentioned the other day, Lucic’s 5v5 Pts and rank the past two seasons [his Oiler career]:
    166 ** 23
    173 ** 24

  116. digger50 says:

    Ribs:
    I thought Lucic would possibly be difficult to trade and then he’s featured as the top article on TSN this morning and I remember…. There is Only One Milan Lucic.

    Chiarelli will get something back for him. I just hope it’s not another one of his wild bets.

    Yes, I think Milan still has respect and reputation around the league.

    I’m just catching up on the thread here today and I have only seen a few posters put forward on why Milan would want to move. Sure we can understand the Oilers position, what about the player?

    Why would this proud player feel he needed to pack up and move? Does he feel he can’t play on the Oilers, a team with horrible depth on the wings? If he can’t contribute as a winger here, where is he going?

    Is there a connection between his poor play in the second half of last year and this decision to waive on his NMC? Is there a personal reason in play? Is there an organizational conflict?

    It could be face value- he’s asked if he would move and he says fine if you don’t want me here I won’t stay…

    With this team it’s s way to jump to conclusions. I wish we could get some insight from Milan.

  117. jtblack says:

    zatch:
    Lowetide,

    THE NOLAN VESEY SWEEPSTAKES ARE OVER

    Best Line Ever

  118. Harpers Hair says:

    digger50: Yes, I think Milan still has respect and reputation around the league.

    I’m just catching up on the thread here today and I have only seen a few posters put forward on why Milan would want to move. Sure we can understand the Oilers position, what about the player?

    Why would this proud player feel he needed to pack up and move? Does he feel he can’t play on the Oilers, a team with horrible depth on the wings? If he can’t contribute as a winger here, where is he going?

    Is there a connection between his poor play in the second half of last year and this decision to waive on his NMC?Is there a personal reason in play?Is there an organizational conflict?

    It could be face value- he’s asked if he would move and he says fine if you don’t want me here I won’t stay…

    With this team it’s s way to jump to conclusions. I wish we could get some insight from Milan.

    There are several instances floating around on Twitter that deal with Lucic not being enamoured with Edmonton as a city or a hockey market. He talks about how the transition to LA was easy but the transition to Edmonton was very hard and that he has very little in common with his young team mates.
    With the speculation that he has widened his accpatable trade destinations one would perhaps conclude he has asked for a trade…destination unknown.

  119. PigeonCamera says:

    Andy Dufresne:

    Thank you for that walk down memory lane.

    Melvis:

    What a powerful comment, regarding Anthony Bourdain and depression.

    The first thing I read this morning was a tweet that commented on the sad news about Anthony Bourdain, and my stomach felt like it had been punched. This was at about 6:30 am, and it didn’t explain what the sad news was, but it didn’t need to, because I knew. In that way that you just do.

    I’m completely devastated. Mr. Bourdain was a personal hero of mine, as much as a celebrity can be. I too, tried to emulate him during my travels; experiencing as much as I could and eating anything and everything I could get my hands on…if he could do it, why couldn’t I?

    I first found Anthony Bourdain whilst channel surfing in…I guess the early 2000’s. He was visiting a Bedouin tribe, and came across as this wannabee Ramones-faux punk, kind of arrogant, skinny guy with an earing and a smirk…and I was so offput that I watched every damn thing I could find. He was so bloody compelling; articulate and acerbic, sarcastic and casually hilarious. He was bluntly honest about his history and his life, and I ate it up. I read his books (not the fiction) and just respected him more.

    I followed him from network to network, from his Tour, to No Res, and onward. Food Network, all the way to CNN. Top Chef to the Taste, Layovers and Parts Unknown, and all of it. It sounds dumb, but binging Anthony Bourdain adventures got me through some really hard times too, where knowing I could watch his adventures allowed me to ignore my world for a few minutes a time…not a panacea, but definitely a very valuable distraction.

    I know this is a hockey blog, but I wanted to comment…thanks again those of you who have had insightful posts on Anthony Bourdain today. Now I’m going to go have a very stiff drink, and maybe another. RIP Anthony.

  120. Harpers Hair says:

    PigeonCamera:
    Andy Dufresne:

    Thank you for that walk down memory lane.

    Melvis:

    What a powerful comment, regarding Anthony Bourdain and depression.

    The first thing I read this morning was a tweet that commented on the sad news about Anthony Bourdain, and my stomach felt like it had been punched.This was at about 6:30 am, and it didn’t explain what the sad news was, but it didn’t need to, because I knew.In that way that you just do.

    I’m completely devastated.Mr. Bourdain was a personal hero of mine, as much as a celebrity can be.I too, tried to emulate him during my travels; experiencing as much as I could and eating anything and everything I could get my hands on…if he could do it, why couldn’t I?

    I first found Anthony Bourdain whilst channel surfing in…I guess the early 2000’s.He was visiting a Bedouin tribe, and came across as this wannabee Ramones-faux punk, kind of arrogant, skinny guy with an earing and a smirk…and I was so offput that I watched every damn thing I could find.He was so bloody compelling; articulate and acerbic, sarcastic and casually hilarious.He was bluntly honest about his history and his life, and I ate it up.I read his books (not the fiction) and just respected him more.

    I followed him from network to network, from his Tour, to No Res, and onward.Food Network, all the way to CNN.Top Chef to the Taste, Layovers and Parts Unknown, and all of it.It sounds dumb, but binging Anthony Bourdain adventures got me through some really hard times too, where knowing I could watch his adventures allowed me to ignore my world for a few minutes a time…not a panacea, but definitely a very valuable distraction.

    I know this is a hockey blog, but I wanted to comment…thanks again those of you who have had insightful posts on Anthony Bourdain today.Now I’m going to go have a very stiff drink, and maybe another.RIP Anthony.

    There are very compelling theories about how the “suicides” of Bourdain and Kate Spade are linked. They were friends. Not wanting to derail things here but there is much more going on than meets the eye. Bordain was about the last person in the world who would die at his own hand.

  121. digger50 says:

    Harpers Hair: There are several instances floating around on Twitter that deal with Lucic not being enamoured with Edmonton as a city or a hockey market. He talks about how the transition to LA was easy but the transition to Edmonton was very hard and that he has very little in common with his young team mates.
    With the speculation that he has widened his accpatable trade destinations one would perhaps conclude he has asked for a trade…destination unknown.

    Thanks for the twitter update. (I still resist twitter)

    Reasonable conclusion you draw. Wonder if that fits into Bob S commments about Milan needing to get his off ice things in order.

    Also, I wonder how long this has been known the Org. As pointed out, they never made any comments about being worried about cap. Wonder if they knew they would be freeing up some money.

  122. Harpers Hair says:

    digger50: Thanks for the twitter update. (I still resist twitter)

    Reasonable conclusion you draw. Wonder if that fits into Bob S commments about Milan needing to get his off ice things in order.

    Also, I wonder how long this has been known the Org. As pointed out, they never made any comments about being worried about cap. Wonder if they knew they would be freeing up some money.

    I think its a pretty good bet that a trade has already been worked out subject to the draft.

  123. OriginalPouzar says:

    digger50: Yes, I think Milan still has respect and reputation around the league.

    I’m just catching up on the thread here today and I have only seen a few posters put forward on why Milan would want to move. Sure we can understand the Oilers position, what about the player?

    Why would this proud player feel he needed to pack up and move? Does he feel he can’t play on the Oilers, a team with horrible depth on the wings? If he can’t contribute as a winger here, where is he going?

    Is there a connection between his poor play in the second half of last year and this decision to waive on his NMC?Is there a personal reason in play?Is there an organizational conflict?

    It could be face value- he’s asked if he would move and he says fine if you don’t want me here I won’t stay…

    With this team it’s s way to jump to conclusions. I wish we could get some insight from Milan.

    Its no secret that he’s had a tough transition to Edmonton and the following quotes are fairly express in that regard:

    https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/the-interview-milan-lucic-on-oilers-mcdavid-gretzky/

    Was the transition moving to Edmonton easier? Or tougher, considering you have a family now?
    _________________________________________
    “It was tough, especially coming from L.A., being in a climate like that and in a city like that, also the set-up they had, it was pretty awesome. You’re coming to a place where it’s a lot more small town.

    I’ve always lived in a place where it’s kinda been go, go, go. You’re used to a lot of people, you’re used to a lot of traffic, fast-paced type of living. And you come here and It’s a complete 180. It actually took me a lot of time. I got here in September, it probably took me until middle of February to get used to things around here. The transition from Boston to L.A. didn’t take as long.”

    —————————
    It’s all hockey?

    “It’s tough. As much as you get to know your teammates, and as much as I’ve gotten to know Connor, a lot of the times I’m at home hanging out with my wife and kids so I don’t do all the fun outside stuff that he and the other young guys do. You hear about them going go-karting. They try to do stuff to keep themselves busy here in Edmonton. I’m busy parenting and watching princess movies and playing. But I guess that’s it: You like to hear the fact that he goes out here and there and is not afraid to be a 20-year-old once in a while.”

    ——————————————–
    Did you experience that in Boston?

    ‘Yeah for sure. It was a lot easier, though, especially when you’re one of four sports teams and there’s a lot of other things going on as well. Where here it’s, you know, the Oilers are it.”

  124. Andy Dufresne says:

    PigeonCamera:
    Andy Dufresne:

    Thank you for that walk down memory lane.

    Melvis:

    What a powerful comment, regarding Anthony Bourdain and depression.

    The first thing I read this morning was a tweet that commented on the sad news about Anthony Bourdain, and my stomach felt like it had been punched.This was at about 6:30 am, and it didn’t explain what the sad news was, but it didn’t need to, because I knew.In that way that you just do.

    I’m completely devastated.Mr. Bourdain was a personal hero of mine, as much as a celebrity can be.I too, tried to emulate him during my travels; experiencing as much as I could and eating anything and everything I could get my hands on…if he could do it, why couldn’t I?

    I first found Anthony Bourdain whilst channel surfing in…I guess the early 2000’s.He was visiting a Bedouin tribe, and came across as this wannabee Ramones-faux punk, kind of arrogant, skinny guy with an earing and a smirk…and I was so offput that I watched every damn thing I could find.He was so bloody compelling; articulate and acerbic, sarcastic and casually hilarious.He was bluntly honest about his history and his life, and I ate it up.I read his books (not the fiction) and just respected him more.

    I followed him from network to network, from his Tour, to No Res, and onward.Food Network, all the way to CNN.Top Chef to the Taste, Layovers and Parts Unknown, and all of it.It sounds dumb, but binging Anthony Bourdain adventures got me through some really hard times too, where knowing I could watch his adventures allowed me to ignore my world for a few minutes a time…not a panacea, but definitely a very valuable distraction.

    I know this is a hockey blog, but I wanted to comment…thanks again those of you who have had insightful posts on Anthony Bourdain today.Now I’m going to go have a very stiff drink, and maybe another.RIP Anthony.

    PigeonCamera. Nice Tribute. Nothing in it sounds dumb to me. On the contrary, I can relate to every word.

  125. Melvis says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Thank you very much. Near as I can tell, Melvis won’t be leaving the building anytime soon.

  126. PigeonCamera says:

    Harpers Hair,

    I don’t dabble in conspiracy theories, and I will man up and apologize if I’m wrong on this, but to be 100% honest, your post was not helpful. In fact, although I rarely post and don’t plan on changing that anytime soon, if you never reply to or acknowledge another of my posts again, I’ll be grateful.

  127. Andy Dufresne says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I have no idea what to say but know I need to say something to show my love for you.

    +1. Very Cool.

    Im going to share too much now…..

    I was once on a trip in Isreal with a group of fellow tourists…My wife and I formed a kind of bond with another couple on the trip as tends to happen on these group tours. Anyway…..long story short…..At the goodbye party on the last day we were all saying goodbye to one another….and the Husband gives me a hug and in saying goodbye says to me “I love you”……..It kind of startled me…..I had no words….mumbled something about …what a great trip it was yada yada…….its a decade later and I still have some small regret that I wasnt man enough to respond in kind. Silly really….but true.

  128. Lowetide says:

    Andy Dufresne: +1. Very Cool.

    Im going to share too much now…..

    I was once on a trip in Isreal with a group of fellow tourists…My wife and I formed a kind of bond with another couple on the trip as tends to happen on these group tours. Anyway…..long story short…..At the goodbye party on the last day we were all saying goodbye to one another….and the Husband gives me a hug and in saying goodbye says to me “I love you”……..It kind of startled me…..I had no words….mumbled something about …what a great trip it was yada yada…….its a decade later and I still have some small regret that I wasnt man enough to respond in kind. Silly really….but true.

    I had a similar experience many years ago, we bonded in a big way and it was awkward at the end because I made it that way. I have tried to be more natural in these things, but it’s part of the way you grow up, I think. I would move heaven and earth to avoid goodbyes.

  129. PigeonCamera says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    Thank you for the kind words. I just had another chat with my 8 rear old daughter about feeling sad, and why it’s important to always talk to someone. I think that’s the silver lining here…mental illness is a motherfucker, but we’re teaching our kids that it’s a thing that we can overcome together, and they will be better prepared and a damn sight more supportive of their loved ones as they grow up.

  130. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bordain was about the last person in the world who would die at his own hand.

    I’m not sure how you could possibly make that statement – you have no idea what was going on in his head and what he may have been battling.

  131. Munny says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Thanks for these!

  132. deardylan says:

    Andy, Melvis, Lowetide, Woodguy, Pigeoncamera and others. Smiled reading the Bourdain quotes, tributes and replies of support in the blog.

    Feel much of HEART and LIFE in this group.

    What is Love?

    On saying I love you to someone you do love (even though it is not romantic love)…

    I think I started by ending the long distance phone calls with my dad saying “Dad I love you”. Cause I did.

    A few years ago I gave my friend Marek a big bear hug at the end of our epic boat, road and running trip together in Malaysia and surprised myself by saying I loved him.

    Now everytime I say goodbye to him and a few close buds who I do deeply love for bring life into my life, I look into their eyes and soul and say love you and their name ____ cause I never really know if this meeting or call will be the last one we ever have. Usually then they respond by giving me even a bigger hug that lasts a bit longer.

    It gets easier and feels good to say it. They usually don’t say it back to me right away instead the next time they meet usually tell me a story how I inspired their lives and changed it for the better in some way.

    So many different ways to say I love you although I like to say it directly cause you never know when either one of us is gonna go.

    I am not sure I love anyone hear yet because we haven’t met in person. Although when I do meet Lowetide I would tell him he inspired my life back in Vietnam with his musical titled posts and the community he has created. Oilers have become much more than just a sports team to watch on TV or listen on the radio because of this community and the sharing that goes on.

  133. maudite says:

    What does weber’s buyout in 2 years look like compared to lucic?

    I also think I might hold onto lucic. Tell him to swap to old training regime (he dropped weight trying to add speed and his game I think suffered a lot for it). Assure him if right circumstances appear real will be made but it’s in him to try and help push up value.

    Selling at bottom is pointless.

  134. OriginalPouzar says:

    Weber’s contract is similar to Lucic’s in that its buyout proof as well. If bought out in 2020, there are three straight years with a buyout cap hit of $7.8M

  135. digger50 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Its no secret that he’s had a tough transition to Edmonton and the following quotes are fairly express in that regard:

    https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/the-interview-milan-lucic-on-oilers-mcdavid-gretzky/

    Was the transition moving to Edmonton easier? Or tougher, considering you have a family now?
    _________________________________________
    “It was tough, especially coming from L.A., being in a climate like that and in a city like that, also the set-up they had, it was pretty awesome. You’re coming to a place where it’s a lot more small town.

    I’ve always lived in a place where it’s kinda been go, go, go. You’re used to a lot of people, you’re used to a lot of traffic, fast-paced type of living. And you come here and It’s a complete 180. It actually took me a lot of time. I got here in September, it probably took me until middle of February to get used to things around here. The transition from Boston to L.A. didn’t take as long.”

    —————————
    It’s all hockey?

    “It’s tough. As much as you get to know your teammates, and as much as I’ve gotten to know Connor, a lot of the times I’m at home hanging out with my wife and kids so I don’t do all the fun outside stuff that he and the other young guys do. You hear about them going go-karting. They try to do stuff to keep themselves busy here in Edmonton. I’m busy parenting and watching princess movies and playing. But I guess that’s it: You like to hear the fact that he goes out here and there and is not afraid to be a 20-year-old once in a while.”

    ——————————————–
    Did you experience that in Boston?

    ‘Yeah for sure. It was a lot easier, though, especially when you’re one of four sports teams and there’s a lot of other things going on as well. Where here it’s, you know, the Oilers are it.”

    Hey, I appreciate you digging that up for me. So there have been some indicators.

    Although I read Milan’s statements and he seems to be talking and sharing more about life changes than city differences. Hopefully then no I’ll will involved and we see a simple trade that works for both parties.

  136. Oilman99 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Weber’s contract is similar to Lucic’s in that its buyout proof as well. If bought out in 2020, there are three straight years with a buyout cap hit of $7.8M

    Taking Weber is like swapping one boat anchor for a bigger boat anchor.

  137. digger50 says:

    Could Lucic be moved for Virtanen? Salary retained, clear up some cap, bring in an nhl ready prospect?

  138. Ribs says:

    digger50: Although I read Milan’s statements and he seems to be talking and sharing more about life changes than city differences.

    I feel like this is a much bigger deal with NHL players these days. They are making more money and are able to dedicate themselves to their family duties more than they ever could before. It’s undoubtedly a good thing for them as human beings, but it could be pretty difficult to get the team closeness that clubs of yore had. Can you imagine the 80’s guys in the cell phone era? Crazy. I imagine the article was brought up in the last sommet du vin rouge. I wonder what those guys think of today’s landscape as an NHL player!

    —–

    If you’re wondering why Lucic would agree to a trade, I’m afraid it’s pretty simple. He’s not going to play with McDavid, and there’s little chance he plays on line two (unless he can pull a couple of rabbits out of his jockstrap). He’s too young for this type of situation. If he can go to a team that can find a place for him in their top six, he’s going to want to be there instead. This guy is a gamer. He’s not going to turn himself into a checker at 30 years old. He owes it to himself.

  139. Ribs says:

    Melvis:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    Thank you very much. Near as I can tell, Melvis won’t be leaving the building anytime soon.

    Good to hear! Life is short, is what I’ve thought for a long time now. There isn’t much point to taking the early exit (Mileage May Vary).

    I used to get very angry about people who took their own lives. After noticing how often this actually happens over the years (a lot!), I think I’ve changed my tune a bit. I still believe it’s one of the most selfish acts a person can commit, but I can also see that people can find themselves in situations where they are beyond reasonable thinking and do brash, stupid, things, and can not be in full control of their actions. I am encouraged by the increased awareness there is these days of mental illness and distress, even if we still have a ways to go before self harm is not so prevalent.

    My wife woke me up early this morning to tell me the news. I think she knew it would effect me more than I did at the time. I don’t get excited about many TV shows, but Parts Unknown was one of the select few I would recommend to a close friend, or try to get my wife to stay up a little later on a Sunday to catch the end of. Bourdain was someone I could easily relate to. He was opinionated, but reasonable. He kept most things to himself in real time, but gave us a nice narration of what he was really thinking at the time. He knew how much it meant to eat and drink with someone. For them to let you into their home for a meal they prepared and to let their guard down around you after a few glasses of wine (He’s definitely on my list of people living or dead to have dinner with). He knew that something slightly off the grid is where the good stuff is. People knowingly or unknowingly put on a show sometimes, and people like us simply don’t have time for that. Be real. Be good. Simple.

    I couldn’t relate to his admitted previous drug use or lifestyle, but I like to think I learned a thing or two from him along the way as he explained things like no one else in my life had. I like to deal with things logically, and he always presented everything in this manner.

    I was kind of hoping I would see some posts about him when I checked the comments section today, and got more than I was expecting. Thanks, all.

  140. Oz says:

    I really do enjoy this site. So many contributors with different (than mine) points of view

  141. Munny says:

    Ribs,

    I don’t know this man or his shows at all, but I am verily impressed with the obits today. Yours is another in a very fine thread. Hat tip to everyone else who posted their feelings.

  142. Ribs says:

    Munny,

    Thanks! I wholly recommend checking out most episodes of Parts Unknown if you have the time/opportunity. The host is great. The cinematography is superb on top of that.

    I haven’t watched much of his other shows, admittedly. I may now need to seek those out!

  143. OriginalPouzar says:

    digger50:
    Could Lucic be moved for Virtanen?Salary retained, clear up some cap, bring in an nhl ready prospect?

    I do believe that Lucic, with about $1.5M retained, a cap hit of $4.5M is palatable for teams and we wouldn’t have to take back a bad contract or give a sweetener but would actually be able to get an asset back. I’m not sure about getting Virtanen back though.

  144. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Melvis:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    Thank you very much. Near as I can tell, Melvis won’t be leaving the building anytime soon.

    That’s good.

    Melvis > No Melvis

    The math is clear.

  145. RedArmy says:

    Lucic and Klefbom to Detroit for Neilsen and Mantha

  146. boopronger says:

    I’m amazed at how oiler fans thought Lucic was a total pipe dream and there was no shot of him playing for Edmonton and now people just straight up want him gone for nothing

  147. Harpers Hair says:

    digger50:
    Could Lucic be moved for Virtanen?Salary retained, clear up some cap, bring in an nhl ready prospect?

    Why exactly would VCR want Lucic?

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