Oilers at Wild, G15/07-08

This is Bill Goldsworthy wearing one of those pretty cool Ranger uniforms from maybe 1976. Even though the Rangers are an original six team and they do have a nice uniform it is easily #6 among the other teams that played alone on NHL ice 1942-67.

So when this uniform came out it was a huge deal. Nowadays they change uniforms between periods but back then original 6 teams didn’t change one damn stitch.

Goldsworthy was a very famous North Star from expansion through the early 70s. He wore a ridiculous helmet for much of his time with Minnesota and every summer the hockey magazines that previewed the next season would have an “action” photo of Goldsworthy that would be captioned with something like “the North Stars will be relying on ‘Goldy’ again this year.’”

Goldsworthy doesn’t look quite ready for the photographer in this picture, but he did score 10 goals for the Rangers in 76-77 after coming over in a trade (for Billy Fairbairn).

Wren Blair traded all his first round picks for Montreal’s depth, but they had a fine run and one year (maybe 1971 or 1973) came pretty close to knocking off the Habs.

The Minnesota Wild are not close to the same organization as the Minnesota North Stars. Whereas the North Stars would trade away their first round picks at will, the Wild are built on high draft picks. The old Minny team relied heavily on U.S. college players and Americans, the current team is built on winning the next game and frustrating the opponent at every turn. The current roster has 4 Americans (Mark Parrish, Brian Rolston, Keith Carney and Sean Hill, 16%) while their roster in summer 1982 boasted 8 (Neal Broten, Jack Carlson, Steve Christoff, Mike Eaves, Mike Polich, Tom Younghans, Gordie Roberts, Gary Sargent, 32%).

The Oilers have a chance to lose their 10th game of the season in Game 15/82. I wish they were playing the North Stars.

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100 Responses to "Oilers at Wild, G15/07-08"

  1. Doogie says:

    Original Six teams didn’t change a stitch? I think the Maple Leafs and Bruins might disagree with that assessment.

  2. Bruce says:

    Goldsworthy was a fine player in Minnesota, where he had six consecutive seasons of 60+ points and scored 267 of his 283 NHL goals. After his last gasp with the Rangers, Goldy played out the string in the WHA, first with the Indianapolis Racers and finally with the Oilers in 1978-79. I remember him potting the game winner in the home opener that season before things quickly went south. Fortunately a little later that season we got another guy from Indy to carry the offensive load.

    Goldsworthy died in 1996, although judging from that picture he was already well on his way.

  3. Pat says:

    Wow, I didn’t realize he was dead. He’s a guy from before my time, but I recognize the name and his decent stats from old hockey cards. According to Wikipedia, he died from complications due to AIDS. Tragic. He wasn’t that old.

  4. goldenchild says:

    At this point 83-10 are about the only 2 able to create anything on a regular basis, against the Wild that prob means our over under tonight is 1.5. I would bet under.

    Meanwhile I see another Horcoff for picks/prospects thread at HF. Brilliant Plan.

  5. Art Vandelay says:

    Pnooge/Pat N. If you are who I think you are, you might want to see this
    We’ll keep a spot open for you on the expansion list.

    Re the posted item, I seem to remember Fred Shero, upon taking over behind the Rangers bench, saying something like: “I waited my whole life to be the coach of this team and I’ll be d@mned if we’re going to were those clown outfits.”

  6. Art Vandelay says:


  7. Pat says:

    Pat N.: I didn’t even realize there was a verbal form of fellatio. And the fact that you got it into a sentence with Laforge leaves me in breathless awe.

  8. Oilman says:

    Pat…reread….he bought a scalper ticket…it was the scalper that swindled the old couple, not him.

  9. PNooge says:

    Oilman, you’re totally right. Now I feel like a douchebag. Anyway, my life as a crusader for justice on the interweb has been a short one. Apologies for such a misguided post.

  10. KlingonHockey says:

    Another Oilers game. Another loss.

    Really unfortunate we keep having plausible excuses for keeping our current management around. The 2006 cup run, 2007 injury parade, this season’s injuries.

    Four year extension. Oh god. Unlike other GM’s Lowe has a plan, says Laforge, and reports our stupid media to the stupid fans that keep paying for stupid hockey.

    If we got an abstract top down view of the team on the ice, with little sprites representing the Oilers I’m pretty sure it’d look like pacman, with our team being the ghosts, and pacman having the powerpill 90% of the time. The only ghost with any semblance of AI is Hemsky. The other ghosts run into walls; sometimes almost catching pacman except they can’t finish him off because they end up going the wrong way around a corner; and otherwise run back into their own zone, crashing into one another when mr. pacman has the puck.

    What a waste of time. We’d all be better off masturbating for 3 hours, never mind actually getting laid (all you married men: instead of writing posts arguing what the Oilers lack in offense, write your wife what your relationship lacks in sex life). Hell, taking a 3 hour long crap while reading Finnegan’s Wake would be better than watching this team. Writing this post, a thousand times over, reading this post a thousand times over would be better than watching this team.

    Actually, isn’t that what we’re doing? Maybe that’s their strategy. The more they suck the more we spend bitching about it and analyzing the team trying to find some saving grace. Some indicator of an end to futility. Cogliano is +5, Schremp is @ a point per game holy smokes what’s his Desjardins number??? They do bad, the more we care.

    Screw it. Just go to cheggit.net or empornium.us and do something better with your life (or at least dick).

    Or do your god damned homework, because I know 1/4 of you are college students.

  11. danny says:

    Hemsky missed practise today and was being treated for an undisclosed injury. Probably not serious, but possible to miss tonights game.

  12. Paras says:

    On the plus side, no Wes Walz, possibly no Demitra and possibly no Boogard. If Brian Rolston drops and Lemaire forgets to dress a goalie, the Oilers just might have a shot at this thing.

  13. mike w says:

    Come on, tell us how you really feel, Kligonhockey.

  14. Showerhead says:

    the fellow in the photograph reminds me of the doorman from The Rocky Horror Picture Show.

  15. KlingonHockey says:

    Hey Mike

    It’s somewhere between the proud phallus that is my first post and the rancid asshole that is your response.

    I think that averages out to a pussy covered in shit – with Burke’s smegma left over from when he had his way in 2006.

    That describes how I feel about the org. pretty well.

    Muckler is still out there. Wouldn’t that be nice. He’ll be 98 by the time Lowe’s term expires.

    Pat Burns is out there too.

    That combo would be a lot better than smegma and feces.

  16. Slipper says:

    And the agent looked at Klingonhockey and asked, “that’s an interesting act, what do you call yourselves?”.

    Klingonhockey spread his arms apart and responded, “The Aristocrats!”.

  17. Ribs says:

    I think I had better check the fridge before the start of tonights brainfreeze.

    Every time Pierre-Marc Bouchard scores a point, everyone drink!


  18. Pleasure Motors says:

    Before this, I was only sickened by the Oilers chances of winning.

    Sure you couldn’t work menstrual blood and the puss that oozes out of genital herpes into that wonderful cesspool of an assessment, klingon?

  19. Ribs says:

    NJD places Matvichuk on waivers….any takers?

    Are his back problems too bad to even look at him?

  20. Lowetide says:

    Sweet Christ, people. I’m not questioning your passion, but can you dumb it down a little? In the last 20 posts I believe the word “puss” is somewhat familiar.

    We’re a hockey site for Christ’s sake. Act like it.

  21. godot10 says:

    Why is everyone so stressed out?

    We’re rebuilding. We’re young. We’re injured. We’re making enough mistakes to lose a lot. But the effort is pretty much there. We have some pretty good young players.

    Everyone has to stop thinking so short term.

  22. Slipper says:

    Are rebuilding teams usually pressed right up against the cap ceiling, have their contract limit maxed, have no early draft picks, and a whole lot of money tied up in huge contracts for older, less accomplished players?

    Just wondering.

  23. Devin says:

    godot10 — because every move management has made over the past couple years was stupid, the exact opposite of what a “rebuilding” team should do. And that’s an opinion coming from a blog reader, not an NHL GM. And for anyone who doesn’t agree, well, look at the team’s record and get back to me. Also note that anyone with half a brain was calling Lowe’s moves idiotic far, far in advance of this losing start.

    It’s like the Iraq war debate- the people that said it was terrible idea from the get-go and predicted the past 4 years (pretty obvious if you had half a brain and had read a history book) are the ones that we should be listening to, not George W. Lowe. Mixed metaphor but you get the idea. I’m on the razor’s edge here as an Oiler fan (never thought I’d say it) — I am close to abandoning this team and I almost hope for them to lose now so we can get rid of the dumbass in the pressbox.

  24. HBomb says:

    Meanwhile I see another Horcoff for picks/prospects thread at HF. Brilliant Plan.

    For the love of the 7 pound 8 ounce Baby Jesus, do those guys even watch the games?

    How about we keep our best forward not named Ales Hemsky and investigate trading Stoll while he still has some value?

  25. Lowetide says:

    HBomb: I don’t think Stoll’s value is very high. He’s looked like damaged goods for much of the young season (although Stoll is playing better lately).

  26. uni says:

    Meanwhile I see another Horcoff for picks/prospects thread at HF. Brilliant Plan.

    Totally agree with Hbomb…cause we all know looking at this team that the what we need is less smart effective established NHL players and more picks and prospects.

  27. godot10 says:

    //Are rebuilding teams usually pressed right up against the cap ceiling,//

    We are up there at 95% of the cap because most everyone is signed. The loonie is up another 10% this year, so the cap will be going up significantly next year, and all we have to sign is Stoll and Pitkanen.

    //have their contract limit maxed,//

    We’ve had lots of extra draft picks, and made a lot of one for many asset deals. And we had to sign a couple of AHL vets now that we have our own AHL team. This problem will solve itself.

    //have no early draft picks,//

    We have a 1st and a 2nd next year.

    //and a whole lot of money tied up in huge contracts for older, less accomplished players?//

    Souray’s contract is the only really bad contract, but actually in Canadian dollar terms we are actually paying him less than we paid Doug Weight (because the loonie has gone from 63 cents to 106 cents).

  28. danny says:

    hfboards is pretty much FUBAR. I can rarely get through a post or two there anymore. Only reason Ive been going the last while was the links for the dailies.

    The overall hockey IQ and discussion there is null and void for the most part.

    Theres a few people oldies and regulars with good heads on their shoulders still around there I’m sure, but I just dont see them as the signal to noise ratio has elevated beyond sufferable.

  29. Dennis says:

    I just tuned in to this game and is anyone else getting the Minny feed?

  30. Lowetide says:

    Which is good. HF was pretty good at one time, will be again. Some good people came out of that group, smart cookies with terrific insight.

  31. NBOilerFan says:

    HF boards has the same problem as all hockey boards that get too popular…. it gets overrun by kids.

  32. Lowetide says:

    Oilers have had a chance or two early tonight, but it doesn’t mean a thing if they can’t cash.

    The Wild make the Oilers pay early. So that’s 55 minutes of brain crushing pain.

    The gilmore girls is on the women’s channell and that tall leggy woman makes up for all the rapid verbal that I don’t understand. She’s got her hair back tight tonight, I don’t like that look, and her blouse is poor.

    CNN is talking about Utah giving out driver’s licenses to illegals.

    Stoll just took a penalty.

  33. Lowetide says:

    Phoebe is giving birth while the doctor watches Happy Days on the channel that used to be TBS, Ben Roethlisberger is being talked up big time by Tom Jackson (he was a really good player btw), and the tall woman on gilmore girls hasn’t been on screen for 6 minutes.

  34. Lowetide says:

    Lemaire is beginning to look like Johnny Carson, the refs were smoking a jay there a minute ago, Staios got a delay of game penalty which in a game against the Wild should mean the death penalty.

  35. Lowetide says:

    The Oilers defense look good with those fishing poles, there’s a really weird show on channel 37 (it’s a movie channel) where this mid-20s film guy appears to be losing his girl to a 90 year old guy who hasn’t had a bath since the 60s.

    Bill Parcells looks like he’s dying, is he ill?

  36. Lowetide says:

    “The festival is tomorrow, and all I see is hay.” They pay by the word on the gilmore girls.

    6-3 Wild in shots and 1-0 on the scoreboard. The Oilers have lost their zip now, they need someone to pop one.

    Bad weather for MNF. Remember those old games in Denver when the Raiders were good? GOD I loved those games.

    Did I tell you I was an Eagles fan? Jaws played in a Super Bowl, but not much.

  37. Lowetide says:

    Horcoff made a beauty play after coughing the puck up. Oilers are a poor team now, they look like 19 coach killers.

  38. Lowetide says:

    I get the feeling the Oilers may never score again.

    Friends has another episode with that silly English woman Ross married. Jurassic Park is on amc, they’re feeding the cow (“Bryan Young”) to the wildlife as we speak.

    They’re doing Safeway score and win. I wonder if Safeway knows this contest might be moot.

  39. Lowetide says:

    Turner classics has a Robert Mitchum movie on. He was famous forever but most of his movies are dreadful.

    Wild are looking good. 2-0.

  40. danny says:

    It doesnt sound as boring a game listening to Rod on CHEDs internet feed. Might be a solution to playing Minny 8 times a season.

    Id rather be watching Gilmore girls than being stuck in the office working on a client deadline though.

    Woo PM Bouchard on the PP!

    Another Wild powerplay coming up.

    Another goal!


    LT, this is exciting stuff.

  41. Lowetide says:

    Does anyone watch CBC local news anymore? There was a time when that supper hour news was a monster for them in Edmonton.

    3-0. Do you think they could get a 2nd round pick for Roloson now?

  42. Lowetide says:

    It’s evening in gilmore town, always a good time to tune in. So far though it’s the girl and some dweeb talking and Mom is nowhere to be found.

    MacT looks a bit like death at the end of the period. What would they have to sink to in order for Lowe to fire him?

    5-21, I’d say.

  43. Lowetide says:

    Showcase has that weird bumblebee sci-fi show with the red haired beauty and the perv engineer helping the dead guy from a Flock of Seagulls.

    Larry King is wearing a nice black shirt/purple suspender ensemble this evening. The tie is akin to vomit.

    Oilers are vomit tonight, btw. COACH KILLERS.

  44. danny says:

    MacT won’t ever be fired.

    Definitely a resignation whenever the time comes, and id wager that as bad as it sounds, that MacT will be the one to pull the plug himself long before Lowe.

  45. momentai says:

    So… anybody willing to take up Michael Anthony’s Jewellers’ offer? They’re sure going out on a limb, aren’t they? Think of all the money they’ll lose from just giving away diamonds. Hah.

  46. Lowetide says:

    Why is Green Bay representing Pittsburgh tonight?

  47. momentai says:


    I wish Lowe would have done the same this summer. I utterly do.

  48. Lowetide says:

    I think Hillary wins the Dem nomination, right? Fun stuff. If the Reuplicans produce another Robert Dole she could win.

    Ferraro is talking about Forsberg retiring. Is he hurt? Damn, he’s one of the best players I’ve ever seen.

  49. Slipper says:

    Coach killers suggest that some of these players have the ability to play good.

  50. Tyler says:

    MacT probably longs for the sweet release of death at this point.

    Souray’s contract is the only really bad contract, but actually in Canadian dollar terms we are actually paying him less than we paid Doug Weight (because the loonie has gone from 63 cents to 106 cents)

    Irrelevant fact of the day!

    We are up there at 95% of the cap because most everyone is signed. The loonie is up another 10% this year, so the cap will be going up significantly next year, and all we have to sign is Stoll and Pitkanen.

    Good to know that this clusterfuck of a team is locked in indefinitely.

    We have a 1st and a 2nd next year.

    Man is this ever disingenuous. I’d rather have the first of the team that looks like a steaming pile of dogshit, thanks. Anaheim’s 20th or so pick isn’t nearly as exciting as the Oilers lottery pick.

    By the way, where’s everyone who was shitting all over the cynics in the preseason these days? We’re all still here kicking the corpse of this team…surely they want to tell us that the parrot isn’t dead.

  51. pboy says:

    I love when the camera pans to MacT right after an opposition goal and he has that stunned, deer in headlights look on his face. I would pay an untold amount of money to know what is going on in his head at those moments. What are the odds Garon comes out to start the 2nd? pretty slim, I’m sure……….

  52. Lowetide says:

    The good thing is there are 2 periods left in this game. If they could come back and win this one it would be a major lift for a team that looks about as bad as bad can be.

  53. pboy says:

    I think Hillary wins the Dem nomination, right? Fun stuff. If the Reuplicans produce another Robert Dole she could win.

    Hillary vs. Rudy would be a heavyweight battle. Rudy leans to left alot more than most Republicans so he will be an attractive candidate. Didn’t those two run against each other in NY State for Senate about 4 or 5 years ago?

  54. goldenchild says:

    I turn on MNF at 1-0 come back after a commercial its 3-0. How many games in Minny would it take for the Oilers to score 3?

    I hope Roli gets a mercy killing and ends up in Col or TB or somewhere nice fast, the more he plays behind this group the worse he is gonna look.

    LT, Foppa was playing in some tourny in Sweden and had his ankles reject the game again, might be the end of Peter the Great. A sad end to prety incredible player. To think the Nordiques got Ricci, Hextall Duchene and a boatload of money thrown in with him for 88.

  55. Tyler says:

    I’m firmly of the belief that Rudy is a lightweight. He has an INCREDIBLE amount of skeletons in his closet. What people forget is that he was an unpopular mayor until 9/11.

    They didn’t square off for the Senate seat because he was in the toilet as far as popularity goes. He’s got an awful lot of warts. I don’t know if Hillary can win because I don’t know if America is ready for a female president but I think Rudy would be a poor choice.

    I do, however, think that the entire Oilogosphere should just abandon the Oil and devote itself to American politics from here on out. LT can tell stories about Adlai Stevenson, the CiO boys can pump out Hillary slashfic and I’ll obsess over polling data. Matt can write about what’s going on in Mexican politics. I really think that this could work.

  56. Lowetide says:

    pboy: The Dems SHOULD win it running away unless the bring in a Mondale. If the Republicans don’t elect a really strong candidate who can rally the right-wing wingnuts it should be a walk.

    I’m going to be watching the election’s gender gap which could be a rather large one.

  57. Tyler says:

    LT: It should read: “Countdown to Tavares in Anaheim”

  58. Lowetide says:

    tyler: It will as soon as he’s eligible. I can’t believe there’s not one lawyer who hasn’t found a way to force the issue, and in fact the threat should be a “free agency for all at age 18″ new world order.


    I like the idea of focusing on American politics. I’d like the Kennedy stuff please, I’m married to an Irish Catholic who has books that she can’t lift on the subject.

    I could use up a year on Marilyn Monroe alone.

  59. pboy says:

    I watched a documentary on Barry Goldwater the other night and it was pretty enlightening. He was considered to be the “ideal” of what a conservative should be. If he was around now, he would be shunned from the Republican party. He believed in abortion rights, a more extensive welfare system and that industrial military complex was too involved with government policies. Can you imagaine a Republican running on those ideas in this day and age?

  60. Andy Grabia says:

    tyler: It will as soon as he’s eligible. I can’t believe there’s not one lawyer who hasn’t found a way to force the issue, and in fact the threat should be a “free agency for all at age 18″ new world order

    He should probably hire Boras.

    Hey, I’m also a Eagles fan. So I have two teams that suck to cheer for.

    How I Met Your Mother is on tonight. Great show.

  61. Andy Grabia says:

    Can you imagaine a Republican running on those ideas in this day and age?

    You mean other than Rudy Guliani?

    Nine eleven.*

    *Mandatory with any reference to Rudy Guliani

  62. Devin says:

    LT – your string of posts midway thru this thread were some of the funniest things I’ve ever seen outta you. Awesome. It’s true – it’s basically impossible to watch this team right now. I like the sounds of MNF but I’ll stick with the Pens game until it’s over.

    Btw- re: Presidential election 08- don’t think for a minute the right-wing crazies won’t come out in force for any nominee… even Rudy the crossdresser (once is a joke, twice is a bad Halloween idea, 6 times is… uh)

  63. Ribs says:

    Hey LT, Glad to see you’re playing along in the Pierre-Marc Bouchard drinking game! Cheers!

    A few more game enhancers and we might have something good to speak of during this game.

  64. Ribs says:

    Yikes, I think that one’s worth a half-chug.

  65. Lowetide says:

    Devin: I don’t follow American politics closely but do enjoy the final 12 months before their federal election.

    The difference for me this time is the Republicans don’t have their man yet. I imagine the crazies (and there are a lot of them) in the Republican party are grinding one of the also-rans into a fine powder position-wise and we’ll see him rise early in the new year.

    I think it might be Huckabee.

  66. Ribs says:

    Yay, Horcoff ripped off part of his jersey to use as gauze!

  67. Lowetide says:

    The Horcoff goal is unassisted? I thought there were two nice passes in there.

    Newman just bought it at the Park. Who knew there were dino’s with ink for spit?

  68. Devin says:

    LT- Huckabee eh? He’s the one that lost a ton of weight (inspirational) but also doesn’t believe in evolution (yet is concerned about antibiotic-resistant bacteria — I kid you not).

    I don’t live in Canada anymore so I pay closer attention to American politics (I earn in USD for one thing). I would be right-leaning in Canada (I like(d) Harper) but the Republicans are a whole different bag of shitheads. It’s hard to convey how awful, ignorant, and downright stupid these guys are in a short post. Anyone who defends Bush’s record at this point isn’t just a partisan, they are simply ignorant fools and I for one have no time to argue with them. Don’t be shocked if you get another 4 yrs of the GOP next Nov, though.

  69. Lowetide says:

    I think Bush’s big problem is he has no idea about how real people live. It’s all over his presidency, has been for years. The class system is going to be a bridge for Americans moving forward and the days of having someone from the middle class rise to great heights of power are gone.

    But I’ll tell you the irony of Americans choosing George Bush over Al Gore by that slim margin tells you that perhaps there was some kind of disconnect in the message or the receiver.

    The day George Bush said “Brownie’s doing a good job” was the day I knew the world he lived in wasn’t the same one I lived in.

  70. momentai says:

    Well, that’s about par for Horcoff in that he’s one of the few guys on our team that’s producing.

    But I wouldn’t want to steer this conversation off-topic. ;) You know? It’s strange. Everytime I tell someone that I ballroom dance, they always ask whether or not I’ve watched Dancing with the Stars. To date, I don’t think I have. The show was on tonight too I saw as I was surfing through the channels.

  71. pboy says:

    The day George Bush said “Brownie’s doing a good job” was the day I knew the world he lived in wasn’t the same one I lived in.

    That was the fastest backpedal I ever saw a politician do. How quickly was Brown out of that job after the vote of confidence from GW? About a week or so, if my memory serves.

  72. Mr DeBakey says:

    I think the Gilmore Girls should trade Emily for kids.
    Kids are cute.
    Lookit the Oilers game tonight,
    some of them are just adorable.

    Listening to Rod
    He’s as hopeless as the team
    He’s just as excited as the old days,
    but hasn’t got clue half the time

    Speaking of the old days,
    Didn’t the Oilers have the best PK once upon a time
    God those were grand times.

  73. Ribs says:

    The Horcoff goal is unassisted? I thought there were two nice passes in there.

    Sportsnet has Nilsson and Penner with Assists on that one.

  74. Dennis says:

    This is “Brotherhood” night for me, it’s on at 11:45 NST so I’ll watch this bloodbath until the Caffey brothers can entertain me. BTW, it’s the best show that you aren’t watching. I used to say that about “The Wire” but that’s gotten enough press now that it has a fierce, if somewhat small, following. So, considering we’re talking politics, some of you guys should by season one of Brotherhood and then catch up on season two when they run the marathon at season’s end. BTW, I think this is truly the golden age of TV, given the proliferation of the cable networks and the freedom it allows. I used to be a huge movie guy but TV has progressed to the point where it has more artistic merit than most movies.

    BTW, I’m getting the Minny feed for tonight’s game. Is anyone else getting this via CI? I would call in to BEV to complain about their selection of feed but it actually feels better not to listen to any of the hometown spin.

    Oh look, Mark Smith is playing the digirdoo, sp,? on Flames PPV;) Smith’s rocking the fauxhawk and he signs a song where he says, “I’m drowning in his own self loathing.” OK, that’s a bad lyric from a guy who, I’d imagine, hasn’t ever really lived through anything that would inspire such strong sentiment.

    Two things to close:

    1: Will this be one of those postgame podcasts where Huddy or Morres awnsers the questions?;)

    2: I think a lot of people like Clinton politics and even though I never thought I’d see a woman as The Chief, I really don’t see a strong enough candidate from the Republican side as to best her. Th

  75. Black Dog says:

    Totally different breed down there – I lived in Florida when Bush was first elected and, lets just say Americans are a different breed when it comes to politics. One of Jeb Bush’s finest moments as governor of FLA (whilst putting through a huge tax cut for the upper class) – slashing dental benefits for disabled veterans.

    Those freeloaders!

    Nary a peep from the public though.

    And the whole 2000 election fiasco – with Bush’s brother’s folks in charge of the returns in FLA etc etc.

    Interesting thing about this year’s race is the religious right hate Giuliani but there seems to be nobody who can challenge him so they may sit it out.

    Nobody does politics like the Republicans though – they’re like the old Liberals here – cynical and vicious and they always win.

  76. Lowetide says:

    pboy: Yeah, it was a quick hurry after that. But the guy above him (I don’t know the name but I could identify him in a freaking police lineup) should have been thrown in a sack too. That guy is a piece of work.

  77. Ribs says:

    A woman leading a country? Didn’t we try that with disasterous result some time ago?

  78. Black Dog says:

    People I talk to down there say Obama is amazing – smart, not your typical politician – so of course he is dead meat.

    And certain interest groups have already hinted that he is a practicing Muslim (he is not) who is plotting to overthrow America – I believe a quarter of Americans polled believed this to be true.

    Shades of Swift boat – remember that – a draft dodger comes out looking like a bigger war hero then a guy who actually went to war and fought on the front lines.

    Hilary is in like Flynn for the nomination at least.

  79. Black Dog says:

    4 Wild PPG.

    Wherefore art thou Matt Greene?

    I was wondering what the hell was going on – Horc and Gilbert are +1 tonight. Grebeshkov too.

  80. Mr DeBakey says:

    Speaking of the American Right Wing

    Washinton Monthly
    ran a poll today
    The wackiest right wing posts ever.
    A “fun” read
    A taste of the kkkool-aid.

  81. Ribs says:

    Half chug for that Stoll penalty for anyone playing along.

  82. pboy says:

    All I ever needed to know about George W was made abundantly clear when he flew onto the deck of that aircraft carrier and jumped out in his flightsuit and with “Mission Accomplished” banner hanging behind him, announced that all major combat missions in Iraq had come to an end. That idiot can’t possible get out of office fast enough.

  83. Oilman says:

    BD…in like Flynn is the best expression ever….because it’s my name;o)….I’m taking credit for coining it

  84. Devin says:

    Yeah, the Liberals have nothing on the GOP. Trust me. If you ever get involved enough in US politics (don’t!) you’ll discover that they literally employ psychologists to come up with memes that will sink in if repeated enough. For eg. the whole 9/11 = Al Qaeda = Hussein thing. You’ll note they’re doing the same thing with Iran at this time. Say “Lowetide” enough in the same sentence as 9/11 and 35% of Americans will believe an Oilers blogger has WMD in his basement.

    The Republicans are all kinds of evil. LT- your analysis of Bush is spot on, but only on his domestic record. Try explaining away his obsession with losing war after pointless war. If you meet a Red-state American, remind them that they’ve lost every war they’ve entered since WW2 ;)

    Apologies- I can’t stand this hockey game right now…

  85. godot10 says:

    You should correct the spelling of Tavares.

  86. Lowetide says:

    I may have to change the name of this blog from Lowetide to “It’s Morning in America.” :-)

    As for the Dems winning, in my lifetime they’ve lost for the damndest reasons and they’ve headed out on the campaign trail only to find ghosts in the closet or failing mental health on their lead dog.

    Or sometimes they’re just boring. Hillary then is interesting on so many levels. No matter who them Dems nominate they’ll start with a 3-0 lead in the top of the second inning.

    But the Republicans have won when it seemed unlikely, and they can probably overcome Bush’s legacy.

    I’d say Jeb’s chances of winning the White House are done, though.

  87. Lowetide says:

    Thanks godot10.

  88. Devin says:

    LT- :)

    In ’04 for eg. the GOP had Diebold in the bag (touch screen voting that a chimp could hijack — no, seriously, look up “Baxter the chimp” who was taught to hack the voting machines and delete the audit logs).
    This is one of many dirty, dirty tricks they employ. Gay marriage on the ballot, phony terror alerts days before the election, even plain old stealing precincts by hacking voting machines. It’s pretty much public domain info at this point and that’s the really scary part – no one cares.

  89. Ribs says:

    Well, game over. Some good things, more bad things. I wish there was more life in this team against the dreaded Wild. I don’t know if it’s the coaching, the matchups, the players, or what, but these Minny games sure make everyone on and behind the Oilers bench look bad. The refs don’t help the situation.

    What is there to say here?

    Penner with a multi-point night, that’s nice to see. He’s not on pace with Joffrey Loophole quite yet, but there is hope.

    Smid had a pretty good showing. I really like his feisty side when it shows up. I’m certain the Boogie Man mistakingly thought he was an easy target on a couple of occasions.

    Gilbert looked smooth. Reminds me of some of the Sharks young guys.

    Cogs and Gagner need to gain more steam, quickly.

    Horcoff brought his meal to the table. Can’t say that much for the rest.
    Hemsky even had an off night. For him it is excusable on the odd occasion so I can’t complain too much about him.

    Torres is on the tail end of his streak. You can tell because he acts very erratically when he has the puck and takes potshots at the net (He even slapped the puck once, it was pretty sad looking- Like mine…hah). Look for Torres to play badly for the next couple of games and be in the dog house for a few after that.

    Grebeshkov looks more confident, but still very rough around the edges. I don’t hate him as much as I used to/probably should.

    Young played 3:38min and it was EV.

    Stortini vs. Boogard = Useless. Might as well have played Pouliot this game and sent him after Boogard.

    I really believe Steve Staios is not the same guy he was last year. It seems like MacT is throwing him around like he’s just another guy when he should be a large part of the nucleus of this team. Tarnstrom seems to get the same treatment but I am unaware if he cares as much as I like to believe Staios does.


    Pierre-Goddam-Marc Bouchard.

  90. Matt says:

    You mean other than Rudy Guliani?
    Nine eleven.*

    *Mandatory with any reference to Rudy Guliani

    Possibly the hardest I’ve laughed this year was Jon Stewart pretending he was Giuliani, the day he interrupted his speech to the NRA with a cell phone call from his wife.

    “[10 seconds of chit-chat] Okay honey, love you. Yep, shoot you later, nine-eleven.”

  91. Bank Shot says:

    Stortini vs. Boogard = Useless. Might as well have played Pouliot this game and sent him after Boogard.

    I dunno. I thought it was pretty funny the way Stortini squashed Boogaard on that interference play.

    Did Boogaard even get a shift after that?

  92. jon says:

    Injuries have put this team in a pretty deep hole early on. It should be interesting to see if they can ever get healthy again. From the last 20 games of last season to now it’s pretty absurd to think that we’ve had about 9 defencemen go down with injuries for significant periods of time.

  93. Big T says:

    I’m not big on responding politically on hockey sites but Devin, you have got to get a grip on your hatred for the GOP. Way beyond rational man. Way beyond.

    I’d try to rationalize with you as to why the things you’re saying about these guys is beyond ridiculous but you’ve made it perfectly clear in one of your earlier posts that you wouldn’t even listen to a ‘Bush apologist’. Move on buddy. Feel the love.

    As for the hockey game, I only saw the 3rd but some nice things happend in that period. Have to appreciate the effort considering the siuation. Hopefully the wheels don’t fall off completely before the second half. This team would look downright respectable with Moreau and Pisani back. Throw in Pitkanen and they’re not too bad at all.

    Nilsson seemed to show some positive signs in the 3rd. How was the rest of his game?

    Agreed on Raffi being a little eratic. We’ll see if he can get it back on track. He’s a pretty emotional player so his sketchy play may be attributed to his side being so far down in the game.

    Here’s hoping.


  94. Big T says:


    If you’re really interested in talking about this, fire me an e-mail. I don’t mind a healthy debate, but I don’t want to bother the folks on this forum.


  95. boopronger says:

    The reason for the stupid signings(penner, souray,), is because this ignorant city cant handle a full rebuild. If lowe’s plan was to fully rebuild, people would burn his house down.

  96. Steve says:

    My friend Mike and I had an online conversation about Tyler’s suggestion of the Oilogosphere going over to American politics, and LT’s role in it in particular. A partial transcript:

    me: “This is Adlai Stevenson. He had a pretty good election in ’52 after being nominated by a convention that saw him good.”
    Mike: it would probably be something more like “This is Adlai Stevenson. Wearing a 51 double breasted striped suit..”
    me: Yeah, probably. And then he’d explain why John Edwards was a perfect comp. Meanwhile, of course, he’d be jizzing all over some junior congressman from Kentucky.
    Mike: not to mention the desjardin numbers
    me: “If he gets 52% of the vote in the congressional primary, that translates into 45% in the Presidential election – should be good enough for at least twenty-three states.”

    Just thought you’d like to know that you’re the subject of late night online conversations between people you’ve never met.

  97. Art Vandelay says:

    Is it irrational to hate a man who came to power in a coup?

  98. Devin says:

    BigT- it’s all good. And my views are based on facts (I’ve seen firsthand in a lot of cases). I spend a lot of time in the US. But like I said, I’m pretty conservative by nature, but the past few years have been crazy-town. I guess I came on a little strong, but I got the impression that Canadians aren’t really up on what’s going on down there (you don’t get FoxNews after all, do you?) lol

    I guess I look at Bush apologists the same way I look at hyper-religious folks (and Lowe apologists). Living in the land of make-believe.

  99. PPP says:

    We get Fox News. It’s scary. I saw a list of dirty tricks that the GOP use to win elections. Don’t forget to include putting up posters in predominantly black neighbourhoods reminding people to vote the day after the actual election date or ensuring that those precints also have the fewest and oldest machines available.

  100. Dennis says:

    1: BooPronger: Lowe decided on a total rebuild the day he dealt Pronger for magic beans and then the day they decided they didn’t really want to pay Smyth.

    2: I had Fox News as a free preview on my BEV gear and it was awesome, but in a bad way.

    3: If LT’s talking politics, I’d expect to see a pic of Dukakis in that tank or a Geraldine Ferrara reference

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