Oilers at Dallas G62/07-08

This is Mike Modano. He is the last remaining Minnesota North Star, and lately has started to get credit for being one of the very best American born players.

Credit has been slow coming for a couple of reasons: Modano plays in Texas which is a long way from the heart of the NHL, and based on his quote history he may well be the biggest jerk alive. He was one of the Americans (apparently) involved in the dustup that resulted in “rooms gone wrong” at the Olympics a few years back and his quote during the lockout remains one of the poorest in recent memory.

Having said all that, the guy has been a beast forever. A true blue outscorer who can do the heavy lifting and still hammer on a drum until closing time. He was once a scrawny ragamuffin from the USA come to play hockey in the Hinterland (Prince Albert) but that experience and a few more along the way turned him into a man on the ice and he proceeded to kick Oiler ass rolling out over a decade.

I’ve always enjoyed him as a player, he’s a thinking man’s player. He was also the victim of the nadir of the NHL’s off-ice medical history (Modano was injured badly enough to be placed on a stretcher, which medical staff proceeded to DROP and watch fall on its side!) and has had a Hall of Fame career by any measure.

If Modano’s playing tonight, I imagine he’ll do something to kill us. Mike Ribiero might lead this team in points, but I’d still take Modano pushing 40 over that guy.

As for the Oilers, Ladislav Smid suffered a Moreau in practice yesterday which means Mathieu Roy draws in and Dwayne Roloson has requested a trade which should mean he plays tonight since a team interested in dealing for him (if there is one) might want to see him play.

I’ll look forward to watching the kids up front and Pitkanen is always interesting. Ales Hemsky needs a rest.

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56 Responses to "Oilers at Dallas G62/07-08"

  1. Quain says:

    I’ll never understand why Hemsky, busted wrist and all, has been paired up with Stoll and Reasoner. The kid should be given some linemates who can make things happen without hand-holding to give him a slightly easier time… instead he has a ball and chain on each ankle.

  2. doritogrande says:

    Anyone got a link regarding this Roloson thing? I’d love to see more. We gave him a starting job and a fresh contract, and now he wants out? Great personality there dude.

  3. Muller says:

    Lowetide..what was Modanos quote and do you know who else was in that hotel room at the Olympic village.

  4. budorduke says:

    garon is actually in according to mact: “i imagine garon os going to need a rest but it wont be friday..”

  5. digger says:

    Both the Journal and Sun have articles online regarding Roloson wanting out.

    Here’s the links, hopefully you can see them properly:

    http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/sports/story.html?id=3a7b2004-e928-4d91-8892-92970cfbfcb5

    http://www.edmontonsun.com/Sports/Oilers/2008/02/22/4867739-sun.html

    Both articles talking about Roloson’s lot in life.

  6. Marchantfan says:

    Dorito: http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/sports/oilers/story.html?id=3a7b2004-e928-4d91-8892-92970cfbfcb5&k=21016

    He’s moved his family; nothing about requesting a trade, more like preparing for the inevitable.

  7. godot10 says:

    Hemsky is a hard player to play with, which again is why Horcoff is an extremely underrated player.

    When Penner, Horcoff, Hemsky was working, Penner was taking his reads and cues off of Horcoff. Now that Horcoff is gone, Penner gets sort of lost out there with Hemsky and Gagner, like he was before he figured out that he should forget about trying to read Hemsky, and read Horcoff instead.

    So MacT gave him easier guys to play with, and well decided to conduct an experiment, and see what Penner looks like in the middle.

    Hemsky ended up with Stoll and Reasoner by default, because the kid line had success on the Florida roadtrip.

    Stoll and Hemsky has never really worked.

  8. Alice says:

    Right, LT. Not too many have the stomach to say so, but MM is one of those guys who can just own it out there, control the shift at both ends of the ice, 9 guys and Him. Most would rather say “I hate Modano”, without the caveat admission that he can be absolutely dominant. A treat to watch, if you’re not having to cheer for the other side – which is most of the time we see him.

    I still hate meeting the Stars though, too many first-round knockouts have left a bad taste in my mouth.

  9. budorduke says:

    Stoll and Hemsky has never really worked.

    No it hasn’t and the reason is Horcoff and those who have success with Hemsky are better at finding the sweet spot and getting off a quick shot with accuracy.. When Hemsky does his patented skate around the back of the net, it seems more often than not that there is no one open in the last several weeks. So he loops some more and loses the puck somewhere along the boards and shakes his wrist.. very aggravating. Horc is great at finding the open ice when hes on his game i think..

  10. gary blaney says:

    i wonder if one of the bubble teams in the East would take a flyer on Roli – like, well, the Flyers or the Thrashers. Surely he’s no worse a backup than Johan Hedberg or Antero Niitymaki, and has playoff experience/veteran presence to boot.

  11. mc79hockey says:

    Hemsky and Stoll have had the odd good moment.

  12. HBomb says:

    Goodbye Patrick Thoresen, we hardly knew ye.

    At least we’re down from that 50 contract limit. If Lowe does nothing other than move along Roloson, Sanderson and Reasoner for draft picks at the deadline, we can consider it a success.

  13. mc79hockey says:

    BTW, that shot at about the seven second mark…my favourite image from that playoff run.

  14. budorduke says:

    mc79 that pass was from samsonov though.. but yeah they did connect a few times in the run..

  15. budorduke says:

    BTW, that shot at about the seven second mark…my favourite image from that playoff run.

    completely agree.. spacek with the one arm pump..

  16. mc79hockey says:

    Look who won the faceoff.

  17. doritogrande says:

    I could see Roloson going to the Capitals if the price is right. Say…a 2nd rounder and half a bag of pucks?

    Thoresen was spitting acid at the Oilers organization also. Buddy of mine found this on a Flyers board, although the link doesn’t actually work for me:

    http://www.nettavisen.no/sport/ishoc…cle1621936.ece

    “Right now I’m irritated and frustrated. I feel that Edmonton has given up on me. It’s over here now since they they’re sacrificing me like this.

    There was a lot of talk, but it was all b*******. They pissed on me. I played well. The explanation was that others needed match practice.

    -Do you feel you’re good enough for Edmonton?
    -I’m not in doubt for half a second.

    -How do you then explain that they waived you?
    -The NHL is all politics. Everything is about the highly drafted players. I’m not drafted, and do not have a high profile.

    We’ll have to see if anyone else wants me. My agent is making calls. I don’t know what will happen.

    -What do you think the chances are that someone will claim you in the next 2 hours?
    -20 per cent.”

    Dude, we fucking gave you a contract when no other team would. Asshole.

  18. Lord Bob says:

    The words “request a trade” are such anathema to hockey fans (see Pronger, Chris) but in this case, I understand where Roloson’s coming from.

    He’s not getting any younger, he’s currently the backup for a non-playoff team, he thinks he can be a starter, and he might well be right. He’s been kicking around hockey forever and he’s got nothing except one conference championship to show for it. He might only have been an Oiler for a couple years but, if somebody out there wants him, I’d be happy to see him end his career with some dignity.

  19. godot10 says:

    Thoreson should realize that waivers are a good thing. It means he isn’t stuck in Springfield. The pickup by Philadelphia will allow him to audition for all the Eastern Conference teams that are relatively unfamiliar with him.

    It was bad luck that two highly drafted small forwards showed up in training camp in what was probably going to be your breakout year.

    You didn’t score enough last year or in training camp to force the Oilers to send Gagner back to junior. And Cogliano is 3 years younger.

  20. budorduke says:

    Look who won the faceoff.

    Haha alright then.

  21. mc79hockey says:

    Dude, we fucking gave you a contract when no other team would. Asshole.

    I like that. He’s pretty much obviously right about the Oilers MO – if Jan Hejda made this remark, would any of you disagree? – and people call him an asshole.

    All hail Edmonton, the easiest place to be a GM in the NHL.

  22. Bruce says:

    Well I’m a fence-sitter when it comes to Lowe but this seems a mess. When he brought Thoresen up he knew he couldn’t send him back except for conditioning, which I believe happened twice? But for all they used the guy when he was up here, he might as well have stayed in Springfield all year.

    Second, I question the timing of the waiver, just at a time when maybe the guy is a bargaining chip in a deadline trade, or a potential replacement player if we trade someone else. Don’t the Oil only have 22 on the active roster right now? Why waive Thor now and not hang on to him until Tuesday? Instead we gave him away for nothing. To the goddam Flyers no less.

  23. Dennis says:

    MC: you understand I copyrighted your last line, right?;)

    Not sure how many times the situations intersected but every game that Sanderson played instead of Thoresen was a time that validates some of what Thor had to say. Does anyone really want to disagree with that?

    If you look at Thor’s ’07 numbers, he went 21/24 for a -3 in terms of Desjardins numbers. That’s his first taste in the league so while he didn’t say this himself, I can’t see why he didn’t get a job out of camp playing in the top 12 and killing penalties? Or at the very least, like I said, why he didn’t play over Sanderson.

    He knows what time it was and he was candid enough to speak on it, ie his remarks about higher drafted players getting a push, and overall he has a few good points.

    He got shagged when Gagner and Cogs both unexpectedly made the team and the Oilers also decided to give Brodz a push and Storts as well.

    But, I called for Sanderson to be bought out the day they acquired him and I think we’d have a better idea on Thor if that had been the case and Thor would’ve gotten his time. Did we miss out on a lot by not doing that? Probably not but at least 28′s a kid who’s ceiling’s yet to be measured while 8′s on the downswing.

    Anyway, best of luck to Thor because he played his nuts off as an Oiler and that meant a lot to me; especially down the stretch last year when there wasn’t much else to root for. The Flyers are so beat up that they had Giroux up for one game and had to send him back to the Q for his next junior match so Thor should get a shot in Philly.

    From and Oilers and Falcons perspective:

    SF: they don’t have much down there to score with as it is so this is a big blow to them. Maybe the Oilers help them out come playoff time by asking Nilsson to go back down there, BTW: could the Oilers also do this with Gagner???, but they look positively fucked now.

    Edm: and connecting with SF as well, obviously, this means Pouliot’s one step closer to the NHL again. Oilers are carrying Sanderson as the 13th guy now and hopefully he gets moved for a 6th rounder come Tues and we can get Pouliot back up here, ie hopefully to replace Reasoner.

    As for tonight’s game, I’d rather have the Oilers play the Stars in Dal than at Rexall. Oilers beat Tugnutt on a Friday night in the stretch of ’04, I’m pretty sure it was on TSN with Bergy and Raffi scoring, and since then we usually win a game there a year or at least grab a couple of points.

    Up until that night in ’04 their last reg season win was with Cujo in Jan or Feb of ’96. That curse has been broken since then, though. The Oilers for some strange reason always play in Dal on Friday nights and I remember Pronger leading the Oilers to a Fri night win early in the ’06 season and last year Roli shut them out with the 14-16-34 line in the middle of their impressive stretch.

    I know this stuff drives Vic nuts in terms of gambling but the way teams play in certain cities and buildings fascinates the fuck out of me. For instance, Oilers cannot win in Wsh and they haven’t done well on the road against the Whale/Canes franny either. Meanwhile, Dal can dress 18 anybodies and win in Rexall. Anyone remember the game last year and the night that I think the season officially died? It was late dec or early jan and the Oilers were up 4-1 and Dal had tonnes of impact guys on the OR and I’ll be fucked if they still didn’t come back and win in OT or SO? In fact, maybe it was the infamous Stefan missing the empty net game.

  24. mc79hockey says:

    It was. You spent the next three weeks bitching that the season was over, while everyone else enjoyed the incredible high of the comeback.

  25. dubya says:

    Anyone wanna bet the Oil reclaim Thor when the Flyers get healthy and send him down?

  26. Bruce says:

    He’s been kicking around hockey forever and he’s got nothing except one conference championship to show for it.

    Actually two conference championships, LB, including one with Buffalo in 1999 when Roli came out of obscurity to fill in for an injured Dominator and win a key game against the Sens. He also was an important part of that improbable Wild run to the conference final in ’03.

    His career W-L-T-? record is interesting in that Roli is 132-173-42-15 in the regular season — whatever those numbers actually mean any more given the changes during his career, but a losing record no matter how you slice it, with a percentage somewhere between .367 and .446 ( thanks again Gary). In the postseason, where all losses show up in the same column (and they all hurt), Roloson has posted a very respectable 18-12 mark for a .600 Pct.

    He might only have been an Oiler for a couple years but, if somebody out there wants him, I’d be happy to see him end his career with some dignity.

    On this we agree, LB. A classic late bloomer who has carved out a mighty respectable career for himself after years of beating the bushes, Roli was signed as a free agent by four different teams and picked in an expansion draft by a fifth, with the Oilers being the only club that had to actually trade for him. And we can’t complain he didn’t deliver, if only for a few critical months. It’s just a goddam shame that he wasn’t afforded the chance to finish the job on the grand stage of the SCF.

    Roli is also one of the very few ex-Flames that ever did much to help the Oil. (Two current Oiler scouts, Row-bear’s dad and Frank Musil both spring to mind, and ????)

  27. PunjabiOil says:

    He knows what time it was and he was candid enough to speak on it, ie his remarks about higher drafted players getting a push, and overall he has a few good points.

    I don’t buy it.

    With guys like Pouliot and Schremp, both first round picks, and Jacques, second round pick, sitting in the minors, and him playing 68 games last year over Mikhnov (another 1st round pick), Thorosen’s comments come across as clueless. Glencross, Brodziak, Pisani all refute his theory.

    The guy is what he is – a 4th liner/press-box duty guy who doesn’t bleed goals against. The problem is that he has little offense, which makes him replaceable.

  28. Dennis says:

    Ty: You Forgot to mention that I was right;)

    Bruce: I remember one night when Musil, or should I saw his ankle and/or shinguard, Really helped us.

    Next time you run into Tikkanen, ask him and he’ll tell you about it:)

    PJO: Yeah, some of the fair-haired children did sit but I think he has a point that he should’ve seen more time.

  29. Mr DeBakey says:

    I thought someone would pick him up for depth.

    Dude, we fucking gave you a contract when no other team would. Asshole.

    Actually, several teams were talking to him – he foolishly went with a Cup finalist.

    In other Player news:
    The Oil have loaned Mr D Syvret to the Hershy Bears.
    Mmmmm chocolate.

    And, on a topic discussed recently on this blog;
    Springfield has signed Les Reaney to a contract.
    Reaney has been playing Center for Niagra University for 3 seasons.
    He is 23 and from Ceylon.
    He is 6’2″ and tips the old Toledos at 221 lbs.

    In 25 games this season he has scored 5 goals and added 10 assists – WTF???

    He shoots left, a bookend for David Rolfs.

    Note – Ceylon is a small town in Saskatchewan.

  30. mc79hockey says:

    With guys like Pouliot and Schremp, both first round picks, and Jacques, second round pick, sitting in the minors, and him playing 68 games last year over Mikhnov (another 1st round pick), Thorosen’s comments come across as clueless. Glencross, Brodziak, Pisani all refute his theory.

    Well, Pisani was a few years back and he got his shot after 172 games in the minors. Also, the team didn’t fucking stink then. Brodz had to pay his dues too – he didn’t get a ton of minutes to get destroyed in first. I’m not sure what the hell your point with respect to GlenX is – he’s not in the same position as Thoresen and, again, is a guy who put in his time in the minors and doesn’t just get dominated.

    Pouliot got a pretty huge push last year. Jacques got a huge push last year. Smid got a huge push last year – not at Thoresen’s expense, sure, but you can see why the guy thinks that’s a problem.

    This year, you have Gagner, who quite frankly has looked out of his league most of the year and, but for his shootout game, the Oilers would have been better with Thor. I think Thor is clearly better than Cogs at this stage of their respective careers as well.

    In short, I think that there’s some truth there.

  31. Steve says:

    He is 23 and from Ceylon.

    I was going to make fun of you for thinking it was 1950, then Wikipedia advised me that you probably meant Ceylon, Minnesota.

  32. Bruce says:

    Bruce: I remember one night when Musil, or should I saw his ankle and/or shinguard, Really helped us.

    Funny thing that. I mentioned how few ex-Flames have played for the Oil, and vice versa is almost as true. Yet three guys who did move along the QE2 (via the circuitous route in all cases) were involved in infamous own-goals that decided Battles of Alberta. Frankie and his shin pads wound up with us while Cocoa and Poor Old Steve Smith played out the string in Cowtown. Shoot!

    Speaking of which, the club has pulled the chute on both Thoresen and Syvret today (actually a differnt kind of chute in Danny’s case, namely the Hershey Highway :). Are we clearing roster room for another 1-for-3 ?

  33. Oilman says:

    We’ve definatetly eliminated the 50 contracts excuse.

  34. PunjabiOil says:

    Well, Pisani was a few years back and he got his shot after 172 games in the minors.
    Pisani earned his way up. The fact is he got his shot when he earned it – he got a callup and gave the Oilers no reason to send him back down. He earned the one way contract.

    Thorosen didn’t. He played well during the pre-season and earned himself a two-way contract. He had a really strong October, and then faded. I recall MacT giving him a push in February, putting him on the 2nd line and on ice with the net empty against Toronto (HNIC).

    Thoresen Went some 40+ games without a goal until game 82. He had his shot – and he had got another during pre-season, in which he was invisible. He performed well in the AHL, got called up, and put up only 3 points in 17 games, and a minus 4 rating. He’s 24 – got multiple shots, and proved that he’s nothing more than 4th line/press-box material guy with little upside.


    Brodz had to pay his dues too – he didn’t get a ton of minutes to get destroyed in first.

    Brodziak got in 10 games in 2005-2006. His skating were terrible back then, and he worked hard to improve that aspect of his game. He was in a two-way contract this year, and he still had a strong pre-season and gave reasons for the Oilers not to send him down.

    Again, Thoresen showed jack.


    I’m not sure what the hell your point with respect to GlenX is – he’s not in the same position as Thoresen and, again, is a guy who put in his time in the minors and doesn’t just get dominated.

    My point is straightforward – Glencross, an undrafted free agent, discounts Thoresen’s ridiculous theory that politics lead the Oilers to waiving him. Again, I believe it’s his play that lead him to be waiver material:

    There was a lot of talk, but it was all bullshit. They pissed on me. I played well. The explanation was that others needed match practice.

    -The NHL is all politics. Everything is about the highly drafted players. I’m not drafted, and do not have a high profile.


    Pouliot got a pretty huge push last year.

    After putting up a PPG at 21 in the AHL. He earned his way up. His play fell this year, and he subsequently demoted to the minors. That’s how it works.


    Jacques got a huge push last year.

    Was it do the draft position, or because of his strong play in the AHL? Or the ”hitting” element of his game?


    Smid got a huge push last year –

    It’s not like MacT had many options. There was Hedja, but even MacT figured that out eventually.


    This year, you have Gagner, who quite frankly has looked out of his league most of the year and, but for his shootout game, the Oilers would have been better with Thor.

    Well, that depends if the Oilers are trying to win hockey games now. Once they made the decision to keep Gagner up here after his pre-season performance, it only made sense to keep giving him the at-bats.

    I also think it’s debatable that Thorosen helps the Oilers more than Gagner does. I mean sure, he went EV -3 last year, but he did that playing on the 4th line, limited minutes against nobodies. The question is how he would fare playing top 6 against somebodies? With little offense in his game, it’s very possible he’d bleed GA.


    I think Thor is clearly better than Cogs at this stage of their respective careers as well.

    I don’t, and Thoresen certainly didn’t show enough at training camp and pre-season that he deserved to be playing ahead of him.


    In short, I think that there’s some truth there.

    In short, I think it’s nothing more than a sign of a bitter, venting fringe NHL player.

  35. kiwihockeyfan says:

    I am disappointed in the way they handled Thor’s situation and I think that what he meant was that he didn’t feel that the oilers were honest with him. Then there was the situation where some fairly high up people from Norway flew over to watch one of their native sons have success only to find that the oil shipped him out to the AHL just before they came. Not commenting on it as a hockey move, more of a PR gaff. He was playing reasonable well and sending him down when people came all the way over to watch him play was a little embarassing.

    I continue to believe that championship teams need quality all around players that are affordable and Thor fit the mold. The oil have too many players in the 2 mil + rangewho aren’t covering their bet and Thor I thought did. Anyways, I wish him the best of luck and hope he sticks at the NHL level.

  36. Lowetide says:

    You know, I have to say that the whole thing about Thoresen feeling betrayed is a bit much. The Oilers imo made a bad choice and we can certainly be critical of that, but the Oilers aren’t close to being the worst organization in these matters.

    The Montreal Expos once shot Ron Hunt full of crap to get one more game out of him because they were close to winning the pennant, knowing full well his knee was done and that he could have sustained long term injury.

    The Thoresen thing is a thing. But it’s not a real thing.

  37. grease trap says:

    Sense of betrayal or sense of entitlement?

  38. Lowetide says:

    Well I don’t really blame him either. You know, these are athletes not politicians. Expecting a early 20s hockey player to always say the right things is a bit much imo.

    In fact, the balls quotes from Thor today imo mean he’s more of a man that I thought he was. You know sometimes it’s okay to push back.

  39. Slipper says:

    To add to Bruce’s point on Roloson, the man has put up solid NHL number for sum sub-par NHL team. That includes the past two season’s for the Oilers and the early Wild. Career 2.59 GAA and 0.910 Save Percentage. Wins for goal tenders are similar to wins for pitchers, they can’t score goals or runs.

    Roloson has performed well enough to give his team a chance to win throughout his entire career.

  40. Dennis says:

    I’m a Thor guy and I think he has some points and I hope he does well.

  41. Dennis says:

    I appreciate hat 46 does but the next step is nothing really bothering with Ott and Barch and instead trying to kill Ribero and Modano.

    How long will it be before the Oilers get that?

    It was nice to see 16 stand up Modano but 19 had two chances to absolutely clean the chipmunk’s clock and he couldn’t be bothered.

    Fuck, that’s frustrating.

    And especially considering that Barch came out of the box and threw a high hit on Gilbert.

  42. jon k says:

    I’ve noticed it for a few weeks now but Reasoner really has no semblance of speed, hands, or physicality anymore. I would consider it a major Lowe gaff if he were re-signed this offseason in lieu of some other cheap 4th line centre.

  43. heed says:

    it appears that in order to be a true edmonton oiler these days, you have to always throw a couple of jabs at the organization on the way out of town. we might as well get ourselves ready to see the spare parts that are willing to bless us with the honor of seeing them play in an oilers jersey.

  44. Dennis says:

    This team is a fucking joke.

    They’ve had two days off since the loss in Nsh and this is the best they can muster?

    These are one of the nights you realize how hard it is to watch a rebuilding team. Then you realize that you don’t have your pick this summer in order to help the rebuilding and it feels that much worse.

    I think the day they traded Pronger was just about the right day to take a three year nap.

    BTW, anyone else see Lowe doing a little stand-up with Gene in the second int? He didn’t exactly look comfortable. Said he was disappointed in Roli’s comments and going forward he hopes the kids will grow up fast.

  45. mc79hockey says:

    I was out playing hockey tonight – once in my life I would just love to haul off and fucking punch a ref in the face without the hassle of consequences, but that’s a different story. Anyway, I come back in and this is what I see? Christ this team stinks.

    There’s a thread over at HF right now, talking about the comparison between the Oil and the Sens since mid-November and some such. Their records are pretty close. It just kills me that people are like “Well if the Oilers just didn’t have that bad stretch” when they had that bad stretch because they’re a stinky team.

  46. Ribs says:

    I dunno, Dennis. Our 1st,2nd, and 3rd draft picks for this draft are on the ice and just scored the teams only goal to add to their 17 other goals they’ve had this season. It’s not so bad.

  47. mc79hockey says:

    I love how we’re watching a replay, Rob Brown is describing it and for the life of me I can’t believe he’s watching the same replay that I am.

  48. doritogrande says:

    Lowetide said: If Modano’s playing tonight, I imagine he’ll do something to kill us.

    Well….you got your wish, albeit an empty netter to kill all hope.

  49. mc79hockey says:

    “Specialty teams”

    Rob Brown better not be getting paid for any of this.

  50. Lowetide says:

    For those who didn’t grow up in the 60s, lots of older men had hair like Rob Brown. When the sun shone just right you could actually see the 11 hairs and how carefully they were placed across the dome.

    Any males reading this, promise me one thing: if you are losing hair, just let it go, man. Seriously. Anyone who has a problem with it just punch them.

    Because there is no hairdo in the modern world more ridiculous than the Rob Brown magic weave.

    Lordy.

  51. Bruce says:

    To add to Bruce’s point on Roloson, the man has put up solid NHL number for sum sub-par NHL team. Wins for goal tenders are similar to wins for pitchers, they can’t score goals or runs.

    Yeah, I pointed out the W-L record not so much as a reflection of Roli as of the teams he was on, and to highlight his excellent playoff record.

    The late 90s Flames were terrible, every time he played a game for the otherwise-mediocre Sabres their franchise player sat on the bench, the expansion Wild were no bargain, and only the CFP Oilers were approaching a real solid club in front of him before quickly falling back to Earth. And in those limited opportunities Roli went deep in the playoffs three different times, twice as a major contributor. Not bad for a guy who as still in Tier II as an overage junior.

  52. PunjabiOil says:


    BTW, anyone else see Lowe doing a little stand-up with Gene in the second int? He didn’t exactly look comfortable. Said he was disappointed in Roli’s comments

    Kind of funny that Roloson denied his comments just today. My guess is the Oilers brass told him to take back his comments.

    http://tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=230336&hubname=

    What a circus.

    Rebuilds are painful, no doubt. I couldn’t even muster the courage to watch tonight – the loss was completely expected. On the positive ledger, Gagner is the epitome of confidence – extends his streak to 8 games.

    The only saving grace would be watching the Flames miss the playoffs or bow out in round 1.

  53. Bruce says:

    Just saw the “highlights”. Sure glad I didn’t get suckered in to paying for that. Or for Rob Brown.

  54. Dennis says:

    Just read the Roli retraction and what a fucking mess. He’s basically calling the Sun guy a liar when he denies the bullying tidbit. This one’s far from over and the Sun guy has to defend himself.

    Fuck, that’s all we need on top of this year.

    You know, it’s times like these when I’m glad that I really don’t care about this team like I used to. Yes, I got pretty jacked for the ’06 run but I used to take all the losses hard. I can remember when the Flames eliminated us on the last weekend of ’02 and I really took that one to heart. And maybe that’s changed now because I know we really don’t have a chance; but it’s been close to 80 odd games now since I really got worked up.

    On the other hand though, that’s kinda sad, isn’t it? You put your time into something like this because by weathering the lows, you feel like you’ve earned the highs.

    I just see this team now though with all the youth and you know we’ve got another 102 games before we can go into a season with a chance at the playoffs. I love a kid like Cogs but he’s a bit soft and he’s a bit stupid and he’s not good enough that it won’t take him two seasons before he can truly help us out. God love Gilbert but he’s breaking down too. And Gagner should be damn good but he’s just 18 years old.

    Things are tough all over.

  55. mc79hockey says:

    You know, it’s times like these when I’m glad that I really don’t care about this team like I used to…it’s been close to 80 odd games now since I really got worked up.

    It’ll come back once there’s some hope. Hell, that’s part of the reason that I think that they should fire the GM – give us all some hope that the new guy will figure it all out.

  56. Dennis says:

    I know it’s nothing that any of us can decide but as much as I like Mact, if I was the one calling the shots, I’d tie to the can to him as well if it was the only way I could get Lowe out of the big chair.

    On the day that he was claimed by Philly, I think it’s important to remember that it was a goal last year by Thor that kept us out of the lottery. And here we are another season later embarked on yet another full-on sail back to Lottery Land only this time there’s no treasure once we tie him.

    To continue with the nautical theme;), I don’t know if people understand just how adrift we are here. Sure, we’ve got some good kids but none of them are named Crosby, Oveckin or Malkin and that means a longer learning curve. It would an unmatched overpay to get a guy like Souray here for fucksakes; imagine if it was someone who was actually close to being worth something?

    The team’s a “Horcoff doesn’t believe in the organization’s longterm plan” away from being in the lottery for the next two years.

    Now That’s a four year plan.

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