Perfect Trade Deadline

Since we’re pretty close to the deadline, I thought it might be an idea to talk about ideal trades and what the team might look like going forward if the General Manager stayed on course.

The Oilers are at this point in time a very unique team. They most closely resemble a club like the Rangers in summer 1975, who had a ton of good young talent (Ron Greschner, Rick Middleton, Dave Maloney, Pat Hickey, Wayne Dillon, John Davidson, Bob MacMillan) and then a ton of old players who should have been offloaded in order to start a new era with the players listed above. They had (and the Oilers have) relatively few players heading into the heart of their careers.

I think the best plan for teams like this (unbalanced ones) is to keep one veteran goalie, two veteran defenseman and your best veteran C, LW and RW plus a couple of pluggers with experience up front. That kind of thing, and maybe deal one or two away at the deadline if need be or pick up one or two if you feel there’s a chance at the second season.

However, the Rangers that summer boasted the following old farts:

  1. G Ed Giacomin (36)
  2. G Gilles Villemure (35)
  3. D Gilles Marotte (30)
  4. D Ron Harris (33)
  5. D Dale Rolfe (35)
  6. C Jean Ratelle (35)
  7. C Peter Stemkowski (32)
  8. L Bobby Rousseau (35)
  9. R Rod Gilbert (34)
  10. R Bill Collins (32)

Young veterans included Brad Park (27), Walt Tkaczuk (28), Steve Vickers (24), Greg Polis (25) who would reasonably make up the heart or center of the roster for years to come. The Rangers buggered it up badly (traded Park 13 games into the 75-76 season) but the young group would form the nucleus of the team Fred Shero took to the finals by the end of the decade. So the Oilers are kind of there too, with lots of 20-year olds and several guys who are long enough in the tooth and a group that is way too small around the heart or center (we’ll call it Ales Hemsky). Here then is my ideal deadline:

  1. Trade Marc Pouliot and Denis Grebeshkov to Pittsburgh for Erik Christensen and a draft pick. I saw the Penguins the other day and they need some help on D. Grebeshkov seems to be coming on. The Oilers already have too many young defensemen with another wave coming and trading both these kids means fewer rfa worries in the summer. Christensen is a nice affordable option who has MacT traits and is a shooter. Plus he is an established NHL player (very important).
  2. Trade Rob Schremp to NYR for a pick. He’s been passed by enough people that dealing him and then having him score 25 goals won’t look like a bad bet. Gagner and Cogliano are better at a younger age and Nilsson has shown enough for another contract. Getting a nice pick in the top 50 in a deep draft year has value.
  3. Trade Jarret Stoll to Dallas for Jussi Jokinen. The idea here is to add a guy who can put up points at EVs and still play for this coach.
  4. Trade Dwayne Roloson if you can.

Then in summer the Oilers will need to add a scoring forward and a veteran D if possible. Here’s the depth chart:

  • G-Garon, Deslauriers
  • LD-Pitkanen, Vet D, Souray, Smid
  • RD-Staios, Gilbert, Greene
  • C-Horcoff, Gagner, Cogliano, Christensen
  • L-Penner, Jokinen, Moreau, Glencross, Raffi
  • R-Hemsky, Nilsson, Pisani, Brodziak, Stortini

So it might be Raffi + for a scorer and sign Jason Smith or a “Kevin Lowe” special from the same tree that brought in Staios, Tjarnqvist and Hejda. I’d like to see the Oilers gather up more MacT types, defined as players who are skilled but cheat a little more towards saving goals than scoring them. Give the coach a few more Pisani’s and a few less Comrie’s. This experiment with cheating for skill has been a miserable failure. Time to shoot it and back up the department of youth a little too.

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22 Responses to "Perfect Trade Deadline"

  1. LJ says:

    I think the Oilers would do well to give this blog a look every once in a while. All I would add to your list is to try and get something, anything, for JFJ, since he’s an RFA this summer too. I would also put out feelers for Sanderson’s value. Maybe package the pair for a mid-round pick.

  2. godot10 says:

    What would people say if we ended up with Brad Richards for Roloson, Stoll, and other stuff?

  3. Dennis says:

    I don’t really get the love for Eric. C. I saw a few of the Pens games last year and he’s not all that gritty.

    He didn’t tear it up in junior and the best thing he’s done thus far is kill the A in his third season.

    He’s evening have a sophmore jinx this year in the NHL, ie his numbers have fallen off.

    Outside of being a faceoff assassin, I don’t think of anything he might do that MacT would like.

    I’d rather keep MP under the premise he’s a RH draw man who can skate and kill penalties.

    Not sure I’d give up on Grebs either. Petry’s a ways off and I don’t think Chorney’s gonna make the jump next year and if in ’09 you could put Grebs with a defensive guy like Souray, I think he could cover his bet

  4. Ribs says:

    If you want to grab a guy from Pittsburgh, I’d suggest Ryan Malone. UFA at the end of the year.

  5. Moose says:

    Ryan Malone = absolutely. But I think they’ll resign him.

  6. Lord Bob says:

    If you want to grab a guy from Pittsburgh, I’d suggest Ryan Malone. UFA at the end of the year.

    On the other hand, he’s crap.

    What would people say if we ended up with Brad Richards for Roloson, Stoll, and other stuff?

    Depends on the “other stuff”. The only pressing issue with Richards is obviously that ginormous salary, and while Roloson + Stoll would cancel out a lot of that it would probably also mean shooting Pitkanen in the back of the head unless we lost Torres or Staios or a couple million more somehow.

    If “other stuff” is Pitkanen or somebody who’s making ten cents like Marc Pouliot or Marty Reasoner, pass.

  7. PunjabiOil says:

    Yeah, I would keep MAP for Eric C too, let alone adding Grebeshkov in there who has been consistently solid after the first month.

    I’d love Malone on the Oilers.

  8. Lowetide says:

    I like Christensen as an option because he has played in over 140 NHL games, can help in the fo circle and helps a little at EV in terms of points (1.60/60). He’s what Pouliot should be but does anyone believe he’s going to get that shot in EDM? If he is, why isn’t he getting that shot now?

    Christensen’s issues are similar to Pouliot’s issues but he’s played more games and is more established which this team badly needs.

    As for Grebeshkov, he’s certainly expendable if the Oilers are going to add a top 4D to their current roster which is what I’m suggesting. Plus of course I did suggest the Oilers should get a pick in that deal too.

    As for the Richards talk, he’s not coming here. If he gets a list of possible places to go to, I would think he’d like to be in the playoffs, right?

  9. CM says:

    Pisani and Staios to Det for a 1st and a 3rd on the condition that the oilers sign a jason smith type this summer I think that Brodziak can take over Pisani’s role and this would free up some salary to bring in a top 6 F in the offseason.

    I think the Stoll for Jokinen (DAL)trade would work well…what would be nice is if the Gods would show some favor on us and we somehow ended up with the other Jokinen (FLA)…Maybe Stoll, MAP and the 1st and 3rd we’d get from Det?

  10. jon k says:

    Given the Schremp rumour, I could see him going to NYR for Prucha. Prucha plays on either wing, is currently making 1.6 for next season, and is a RFA after that. Seems to have gained a bit of height as he’s now listed as 6′ and was listed as 5’10″ draft day.

  11. Mr DeBakey says:

    Can you run your Dejardins Comp numbers on Matt Moulson from LA?

    He was over a PPG at Cornell.
    He’s scored 43 goals in 1 1/2 seasons in the AHL.
    And in 22 games in the NHL this year, his Goals/60 number is better than all the Oilers except Horcoff.

  12. Dennis says:

    LT: He’s certainly more established, I’ll give you that. But he’s no more of a MacT guy than is Pouliot.

    Plus, I’m starting to like Grebs game and we know we’re not gonna win next year either so fuck it.

    To close on Grebs, I don’t notice him making the big effors anymore and without getting into what age they were when they racked up their first few games, which I know matters, grebs has progressed faster than did Greene.

  13. Asiaoil says:

    The only “big” deal I’d bite on would be something like this:

    To EDM: Hossa/Exelby

    To ATL: Stoll, Pitkanen, Roloson

    Roloson could mentor Lehtonen for a year, Stoll replace Holik, and Pitkanen would be a godsend for their defense. For us a true elite RW like Hossa is a dream (but one that will likely never happen)

    Penner Horcoff Hossa (ES dominance)
    Torres Gagner Hemsky (soft minute offense)
    Moreau Cogs Pisani (tough minutes)
    GX/Nilsson MAP/Brodziak Stortini (4th line)

    Souray Gilbert
    Exelby Staios
    Smid Grebs/Greene

    Garon/UFA vet

    Still lots of other trading chips such as Schremp, one of Torres or Nilsson, one of Greene or Grebs. We have the raw maerial for significant deals – and if Lowe dos not make them – then hoarding these yooung players is pointless.

  14. godot10 says:

    //As for the Richards talk, he’s not coming here. If he gets a list of possible places to go to, I would think he’d like to be in the playoffs, right?//

    Would you rather play the checking defense first hockey Vigneault coaches in Vancouver, or the free flowing aggressive style MacT plays.

    Would you rather play hockey in Edmonton or Columbus? Do you what Hitchcock yapping at you day in and day out?

    True, Montreal might get him…

    MacT is a player’s coach. Lowe can whisper he can centre Penner and Hemsky. Which means Horcoff, Moreau, and Pisani can because the premier shutdown line in the league. And Cogliano, Gagner, and Nilsson can feast on easy minutes.

    Too many of the Oilers fans on the blogosphere are glass-half-empty folks, and are suffering from post-traumatic-EIG-no-money-prelockout syndrome.

    But if you’ve had to listen to Tortorella’s ranting and screaming for five years, maybe just maybe playing for MacT and playing with Hemsky, might be Brad’s cup of tea.

  15. Steve says:

    Would you rather play the checking defense first hockey Vigneault coaches in Vancouver, or the free flowing aggressive style MacT plays.

    Would you rather play hockey in Edmonton or Columbus? Do you what Hitchcock yapping at you day in and day out?

    Depends who’s closer to winning the Stanley Cup and, to a lesser extent, which city’s better (Edmonton and Columbus strike me as approximately washes in that second regard).

  16. Tyler says:

    Here’s Columbus Dispatch writer Michael Arace commenting on the Richards rumour:

    Oh, this rumor is juicy. Chew on it, and it dribbles down the cheeks and over the chin. It makes you bob your head and murmur, “Mmmmm.”

    Awkward silence.

  17. Asiaoil says:

    Richards to CLB makes a ton of sense with Fedorov’s contract coming off this summer. If they simply send Zherdev to TBL for Richard’s then CLB is actually in a better position than they are now with Zherdev and Federov who are eating about $10 million in cap.

    They need a #1 center, Zherdev is a spare wheel with Nash and now Modin on LW, and above all they have the caps space. Richards, Peca, Malhotra and Brule down the middle is actually pretty good.

  18. Art Vandelay says:

    His dad might be reading this blog so I’ll be measured, but my gawd Christensen has as much grit as a down-filled jacket. If a hockey net is the north pole, Christensen is the south pole. He’s from the Pierre Larouche tree, as it were.

  19. jon k says:

    My question in regards to Hossa is why the Oilers should trade for him now when they can bid for him on July 1st?

    Especially since he’s made it clear he’s going to the market, and his agent Winter is very good friends with Katz.

    It’s not like the Oilers are going to benefit from adding anyone this season anyway.

  20. doritogrande says:

    Take the package you’re offering for Christensen, and offer it to NYR for Nigel Dawes. You know a guy what plays for Kootenay for 4 years has some grit to him.

    LT, I don’t even think we need to add a veteran D-man if your trades work out next year. I think one of Smid or Greene could cover the top-4 role next year.

  21. Devin says:

    Agreed on Dawes – an absolute natural goal scorer and a buzzsaw out there. Would love to get him (for Schremp, ideally).

    Also, yeah, don’t deal Grebs. He’s better than Smid, Greene or Roy. Or hell, Souray (at EV). Seriously, this guy is playing great and the offense is starting to trickle into his game too.

  22. Master Lok says:

    No on Grebs trade – he’s still too much an unknown result to trade for such an unimpressive return as Christiansen.

    The other trades – sure. fine.

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