Coyotes at Oilers, G74/07-08

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  1. HBomb says:

    Hey, it’s sort of like He-Man….

    “By the power of Stan Weir, they have the POWER!”

  2. Black Dog says:

    What were his Corsi numbers?

    Remember his part in the Pronger trade though? He giveth and he taketh away.

  3. Alice says:

    Shoulder pads have come a ways [out] since then, or else he was pretty small? Sam would look like a full-size hockey player next to him.

  4. Doogie says:

    Hockey players still looked like human beings in the 1980s, not the killer robots of death from the future that they resemble now (at least up close) with the football pads. Goalies are merely the worst offenders. ;)

  5. Black Dog says:

    Nothing small about Stan Weir, Alice. Don’t know if LT lost all of his posts from spring 2006 when his blog went splat! but iirc he performed many superhuman feats in those days.

  6. Dennis says:

    Wow, I think we all know what this means, right? LT’s not breaking out Weir unless he’s really starting to believe.

    With a GIH and a home-and-home set on the docket, the Avs are the new target.

    I still don’t believe but I could be persuaded by 7pm NST on Sat evening.

    BTW, just finished shoveling out from 50 plus cm that was whipped by 120 km winds so this one’s in the bag.

  7. Alice says:

    Born Mar 17 1952 — Ponoka, ALTA
    Height 6.01 — Weight 170 — Shoots L

    Not Big big, then. Just big enough.

    Embarassed to say, I had this notion when I read the name that he was #15. I now have to believe that came from Stu Lang. And if HE wasn’t #15 then I need stronger meds.

  8. Black Dog says:

    Dennis, what happens if nightmarish storms in Newfoundland are the new Stan Weir? We need miracles and plenty of them?

    Could you hold out until the end of June? We’d send food.

  9. grease trap says:

    Hurts me to say it, but I predict a huge loss tonight.

  10. Daniel says:

    No fucking around I see. Does this mean hope still lives?

  11. Bruce says:

    Stu Lang was indeed #15 Alice. And Stan Weir was #21. I think the next incumbent was Randy Gregg. One of my favourite of all numbers, and two of my favourite players.

  12. Dennis says:

    Pat: You Know I would gladly agree to that. I’d just want a provision where they only happened on off-days and we’re over by evening so I could have everything cleared away by the time the game’s started;)

  13. jon k says:

    Weir springs eternal.

  14. Lowetide says:

    Dennis: I don’t know if it’s a matter of believing or the fact that it’s almost spring (in Alberta).

  15. Bruce says:

    Ha! Lucky me. I’m off to the game. Biggest game I’ve been to since the Oil beat the Ducks 2-1 on Hemsky’s winner with 33 seconds left to clinch a playoff berth in ’06. I never did make it to a playoff game, free tickets were tight for some reason.

    And last year there were no big games.

    Enjoy the game, Oiler fans, anbd I hope to do likewise. While I’m at it I’ll watch Penner in the neutral zone and shit like that, and will report later. :)

  16. Black Dog says:

    OK, just saw something I have never seen before in over 35 years of watching hockey. Isles score a shortie – buddy shoots it from his own goalline and beats Toskela.

  17. Mr DeBakey says:

    I just turned on the TV
    I see that Columbus is beating the Falmes 3-0
    Imagine my dismay

  18. doritogrande says:

    I see the Falmes have done us no favours in the standings. Typical.

  19. Lowetide says:

    Jets have some jump tonight. Is that Mike York or Harry York out there?

  20. doritogrande says:

    Fuck. E:5.

    Brutal giveaway and the flopped around on the ice like a girl.

  21. speeds says:

    I’d like to see the replay on that goal, because I thought from initial viewing that Greene was at fault there for not giving his partner somewhere to pass the puck.

  22. doritogrande says:

    Nice save. Shades of the Playoff run there.

  23. doritogrande says:

    A slashing call…with 16 not on the ice?? Holy hell.

  24. Coach pb9617 says:

    Apparently, the Oilers forget how to pass in their own zone. How difficult is this? Low, flat, hard and follow it.

    Jesus shit.

  25. Coach pb9617 says:

    The Oilers have forgotten how to pass in their own zone. MacTavish should remind them loudly and forcefully. Low, flat, hard and follow it.

    Jesus shit.

  26. Lowetide says:

    Pouliot on with Stoll and Penner to my eye. Interesting combination.

  27. Coach pb9617 says:

    Oh no LT. Kiss Pouliot’s Edmonton career goodbye. He’s skating with the anchor now.

  28. doritogrande says:

    Master Samwise in double digits.

  29. jon k says:

    It’s as we feared: The Oilers have become a good PP team and a poor ES team. Talk about reversals.

    Lends some credence to the personnel as opposed to coaching view. Nilsson, Gagner, Hemsky, and Gilbert really do have some fantastic chemistry on the PP.

  30. Jennifer says:

    It’s odd, we seem to have a good powerplay.

  31. speeds says:

    Wonderful play by Grebeshkov on the 2nd PP goal. He’s making his case for 1st PP unit time, not that I think they’ll take Stoll off the PP.

  32. danny says:

    Heres a crazy prediction, 27/16/78 are held pointless.

  33. Coach pb9617 says:

    It’s as we feared: The Oilers have become a good PP team and a poor ES team. Talk about reversals.

    Jon, there’s no way that a team this young can be a strong ES team. Maybe if they had young forwards and a steady vet defense, but with this much youth everywhere, they’re going to suffer ES for awhile.

    But man are they fun to watch. I get so happy every time the second line rolls over the board.

  34. doritogrande says:

    “Heres a crazy prediction, 27/16/78 are held pointless.”

    Anchors away!

  35. jon k says:

    Coach: My comments were in reference to the Oiler teams up to the 2005-2006 season. MacT was typically credited with running a strong ES team that lacked PP creativity.

  36. PunjabiOil says:

    Wonderful play by Grebeshkov on the 2nd PP goal. He’s making his case for 1st PP unit time, not that I think they’ll take Stoll off the PP.

    I usually agree with you, because you know your shit, but I’m not sure Grebeshkov is a PP performer. He has the pass first instinct and won’t really shoot the puck. If replace is gone this summer, I’d look for Gilbert to replace him.

  37. Lowetide says:

    A fun team but I wouldn’t bet money on them. Sweet ride while it lasts and some payback for the fanbase that hung through the “Helplessly Hoping” period.

    Gretzky needs a hairdo.

  38. speeds says:

    I don’t mind the idea of having one of the point men being a distributor, a PP of Gagner- Hemsky- Penner- Grebeshkov- Souray next year would strike me as a pretty decent PP.

    Maybe it would be better with one of Gagner/Hemsky on the point, and Horcoff on the ice as well?

  39. doritogrande says:

    I know Souray uses his big-ass frame to screen the goalie for point blasts, and we’ve got a couple cannons, but I want to see Nilsson getting 1st line PP. A lineup of Nilsson-Horcoff-Hemsky-Gagner-Souray strikes me as a winner.

  40. PunjabiOil says:

    If replace is gone this summer, I’d look for Gilbert to replace him.

    That sentence should have read:

    If Stoll is gone this summer..

    Personally, I think Pitkanen/Gilbert are better options than Grebeshkov.

    Kind of odd though the way MacT runs his PP. 35-45 seconds to the 1st unit this game, the rest to the 2nd unit.

    How are the Oilers in league rank on the PP now?

  41. doritogrande says:

    Holy crap, what’d we do to chase Bryzgalov?

  42. danny says:

    Ovechkin with a beauty… NSH pulled their goalie, AO gets the puck in his own end slot and banks the puck off the boards into the empty net…

    WSH 4 NSH 2 F


  43. Black Dog says:

    Gagner closing in on fifty points now. I would guess few people would have bet on that even a month ago.

    So we know they have the PK down pat and the PP is over 20% over the last sixty games, is that right Dennis? Where would that rank over that time period?

    So ES is the final frontier. Some of that will come as the kids grow, some will come once they have healthy vets in the proper roles, some may come when they replace some of the present guys, either from within or not.

    Or so we hope. :)

  44. James L. says:


  45. Lord Bob says:

    The power of Stan Weir compels you, Kyle! The power of Stan Weir compels you!

  46. doritogrande says:

    So hey, how many years does Brodziak have left on this new deal of his?

  47. speeds says:

    1 more year at 500K, then an RFA.

  48. doritogrande says:

    “1 more year at 500K, then an RFA.”

    I smell an “outperforms his contract” speech a’comin, then.

  49. doritogrande says:

    Pou looked offside on that play. I wasn’t worried about it costing the Coyotes when I saw Stoll was the trailer on the 2-on-1 however.

  50. Coach pb9617 says:

    Okaaaaaaay, so Pouliot is theeeeeeee anchor chain?

  51. jon k says:

    Pouliot has had some really good shifts the last few games. Maybe he’s a late bloomer and/or starting to put things together.

  52. Lowetide says:

    Pouliot’s losing himself a little tonight imo. By that I mean he seems to be playing a little less wooden with the puck.

    I thought he played real well that period.

  53. PunjabiOil says:

    What a softie by Roloson. Short side.

    No sense to fuck around. Garon on Thursday.

  54. speeds says:

    Who knew that all EDM needed to do to bring Penner and Stoll to life was stick them on a line with Pouliot?


  55. danny says:

    MP has been getting a lot of pump from the ‘sphere faithful the last half dozen games, but in my eye he really has been lost in the abyss of future role player. No patience or offensive instincts.

    Well, his first period was solid, but again he looked too rigid and the game moving at 90MPH in realtime, is moving 320MPH in MP-Time.

    The 2nd period is the first glimpse ive seen where the game might be slowing down a little for him, or atleast he is battling the tunnel vision and trying to slow it down.

    Small steps, which will surely be heralded as the 2nd coming of our saviouraround here by nights end ;)

  56. James L. says:

    Yeah, the magic dust is wearing off Roli.

  57. Slipper says:

    That was a killer couple shifts by 16/78/27, ecspecially the one right before Winnick’s goal for Phoenix.

  58. Slipper says:

    Yeah, and that Doan goal was pretty weak too. 3 good games in a row was too much to expect.

  59. Coach pb9617 says:

    Who knew that all EDM needed to do to bring Penner and Stoll to life was stick them on a line with Pouliot?

    Any naval types out there? Who is the guy that weighs the anchor?

  60. PunjabiOil says:

    Time for Roloson to put on his robe and wizard hat

  61. Jennifer says:

    I’d rather see Garon vs Van anyways. The Sedins really tear Roli up with that cross seam pass.

  62. Dennis says:

    78 works much better when he carries the puck. 16′s the pivot on that line but he made a nice pass on the rush that lead to first a SOG and then an attempted SOG by Pouliot. Marc then went down below the icing line and tried some things from there. No one will remember this but there was a blowout game early in the ’07 season where 16-78 and Sykora worked well in the third period of a loss to Col. I don’t think they ever played together afterwards.

    Pat: Yes, pretty sure this PP’s over 20% for 60 games so that looks to be taken care of. Bringing back Horc and Torres and running your bench to the tune of giving a fuck like not having Doan/Mueller out against your 4th line will solve some of the EV problems. Don’t get me wrong, I love that 4th line but you’ve got the last change at home and I don’t think you should tempt fate.

    12′s making some dandy plays, the game’s slowed down for 89 and I loved how 13′s speed created that 51 goal. Nice shot by 51 as well.

    I’ll be interested to see how MacT runs his bench over the last 20. We’re getting close enough now that Monday night’s game mean might more than anyone ever imagined.

    I hope MacT starts running his bench like he realizes it.

  63. PDO says:

    Nilsson should have a hatty by now…

  64. danny says:

    That many chances without a goal… always bites you in the ass.

  65. Black Dog says:

    Problem is the same as its been all year Dennis.

    You’re down Horcoff, Torres and Moreau.

    So the kids can do a nice job if they are sheltered and the fourth line the same. But then you have a real dog’s breakfast out there. Reasoner/Stoll/Pisani to take on the tough minutes?

  66. PDO says:

    …. as should GlenX.

    I can name two Oilers who will have nightmares if we don’t come up with a W tonight. Lordy.

  67. PunjabiOil says:

    In the words of the adult, Kevin Arnold:

    “And then it happened”

  68. Dennis says:

    Danny: If you watch 78 in his own end, he absolutely doesn’t leave his man and there’s no cheat in him when it comes to offense. MacT had a comment on his return that basically went he had to find a niche and build from there. I think we all knows what that meant and I’m sure he said that to 78 in person. So, I don’t have a problem with 78 perhaps not looking super confident on offense because he’s trying to keep the GA down.

    He’s been a guy — at least to my eye — who’s been on the ice for more chances for then against in his return and while his corresponding point totals might not say he can cover his ’03 bet, it doesn’t mean he can’t be an NHLer.

    Update on the matching: MacT rolls his four lines to start, Jayne starts with Doan/Mueller and comes back to them three shifts later so he can get them against our 4th line.

    4th line goes on to get three chances against them:D

  69. Jennifer says:

    I’m actually glad Roli has let in a couple stinkers; it means we’re gonna see Garon vs Van. I think the latter gives us a much better chance to win.

    I’d rather lose to Phoenix than Van, that’s for sure.

  70. Black Dog says:

    Penner with his twentieth, Gagner and Hemsky with three point nights.

    Rod called the Oilers’ power play “awesome”.

    I think I have to take a cold shower.

  71. PDO says:


  72. Jennifer says:


    Would you rather be watching the game over the net than listening to Rod? Nearly 100% of the games are on sopcast. The quality video isn’t great, but it’s certainly better than what images Rod has to offer.

    If you are interested, post a reply and I’ll fill you in on how to catch the games.

  73. Coach pb9617 says:

    Glencross is the sixth rookie with 10 goals. Lowe is a genius for signing Tarnstrom.

  74. Black Dog says:

    jennifer – please do – I’m actually done for tonight but I will come back tomorrow and check it out if you would be so kind

    looks like we’re joining the 21st century and getting one of these fancy TVs with a million channels – one of these will be SNW – which means come this time next year I’ll likely be separated from my wife and sleeping on Winters’ couch.

    Right Mike?

    Uh, Mike …. helloooo?

  75. PDO says:

    BDHS – you’ll need center ice to get the Oiler games.

  76. James L. says:

    Glencross, you magnificent bastard!

  77. PunjabiOil says:

    I like Pouliot

  78. Black Dog says:

    pdo – how so? they don’t show the games even if I have the channels?

  79. PDO says:

    Pouliot is determined to keep a job.

    Looks like the light bulb went on.

    Good on him.

  80. PDO says:

    Sportsnet West only has the rights to play the games in the West region… not in all of Canada. I have all 4 Sportsnet channels, but it doesn’t get me any Vancouver/Montreal/Ottawa/Toronto games on Sportsnet.

  81. Black Dog says:

    oh for fuck’s sakes

    the only reason I agreed to this new TV is for the hockey

    what does center ice run then?

    Fun fact – Pouliot has 4 assists at ES. Stoll has 2 goals and 6 assists at ES.

    Hate to pile on poor Jarret. Hope the poor bastard bounces back. I truly do.

  82. PDO says:

    BDHS, about $160 / season, I believe.

  83. Lowetide says:

    How come Jennifer doesn’t post here? :-)

    This might be a night we remember Pouliot showing he belongs. Hope MacT says something about his game but there are lots of stars to get to tonight.

    Sam Gagner is a sick freak.

  84. PDO says:

    I could get used to this.

  85. Andy Grabia says:

    Stoll with the Most Exciting Play in Hockey™!!!

  86. Lowetide says:

    Whenever I see a puck going in an empty net on that sheet of ice I think of Dave Lumley.

  87. danny says:

    dennis, point taken on MP being above water in the scoring chances, as he is being pretty solid defensively minus the early callup turnovers. And as we have seen, things can change quickly with developing players… but after a while you question if they have that gear.

    I’m for developing 78, as long as he doesnt bleed chances against… because developing a potential reasoner isn’t necessary on this team right now.

    So heres to hoping things continue to go un-noticeably well.

  88. Black Dog says:

    It might mean some product placement and for that I apologize but I think I can swing the subscription then.

    Thanks for the info. Now excuse me while I go enjoy a Canada Dry and some Doritos.

  89. uni says:

    Haha speak of the Devil, Stoll with a SH goal.

    You certainly can’t say it’s not fun watching the Oilers the last 20 games or so.

  90. Lowetide says:

    This isn’t 83-84 or even 79-80 but lordy this team can hum.

  91. uni says:

    That Gagner is supposed to be a playmaker\stickhandler, but damn can he ever get a shot up quick.

    Not the hardest shot, but fast and high.

  92. Black Dog says:

    Yep they’re a lot of fun.

  93. Dennis says:

    Anyone like Pouliot now? Steams into the left corner to set up 20 and drives the net in case there’s a rebound. Then he jumps Hossa after the latter took down Staios.

  94. Coach pb9617 says:

    Where did my center ice feed go? I’m watching infomercials.

  95. danny says:

    The Oilers are within 5 points of the final playoff spot, and the 5 teams that are battling, 4 of them are in the NW. Which means everybody plays everybody… a lot.

    Its a tough thing to say for a team thats 5 points out with 8 games left, but if they can win their games they are in the playoffs. Too many H2H games with the teams immediately in front of them for EVERYONE to stay in front of them.

    So lets say 6-2 in the final eight and they have a shot? Probably 7-1 maybe… but its up to them now.

  96. Captain Morgan says:

    Amazing what a small amount of confidence can do for 78, the guy can play.

    No matter what happens, this is awesome, the buzz is back. With that in mind, what does a package of Horcoff, Souray, Torres and Moreau get us……:)

  97. Slipper says:

    Kinger if you get an email from an address with slipper or insider in it and it talks about how hawt it is for a girl to dig the Oilers and be savvy with computers and whether your friends call you Jen or Jenny… or JennyFur…

    Well, just ignore it, kay?


    Yeah, it sucks, you’re going to have to drop 2 bills a year on CI from Ontario. The good news is you’ll be watching more hockey than ever before. THe bad news is you’re married with child.

  98. uni says:

    3PP, 2SH, 3EV goals…I don’t think I’ll get more than 3 hours of sleep every time the Oil play the rest of the season…just when I was getting used to going to sleep early.

    And nothing will be sweeter after having Bobby establish himself than to have Pouliot become that 2-way pivot everyone hoped he would be. When he jumped up and got flattened by Jovo he showed that he at least isn’t short of try. What’s the record for rookies breaking into the NHL on one team?

  99. Coach pb9617 says:

    Horcoff? Horcoff? Still trying to package Horcoff? Come on…

  100. Lowetide says:

    Slipper: Classic.

    Gagner after tonight is 10-35-45. I don’t think he’ll catch any of them but here’s who he is chasing:

    Jari Kurri (80-81) 75gp, 32-43-75
    Jason Arnott (93-94) 78gp, 33-35-68
    Dave Lumley (79-80) 80gp, 20-38-58
    Glenn Anderson (80-81) 58gp, 30-23-53

  101. Dennis says:

    Pat: CI will run you about 200 plus. Of course it’s worth it:)

    LT: I hope he says something about 78 as well but I won’t worry if he doesn’t. Word was 8 spent all practice in Denver warming up Roli so if he’s well enough to do that, I suspect he’s well enough to play. There’s a limit to how many min 78 will get given he won’t see PP time and his slot’s one of the ones chosen to allow for Hemsky to play 20 min; still, though, he’s playing every game and that’s a start. And unless MacT’s blind, he had to smile and pump his fist when Pouliot tackled Hossa.

  102. PDO says:

    LT, did anyone ever have more than 43 assists as a rookie?

    With 8 games left, he’d need some luck, but that and Anderson both seem within reach, especially given that he’s been a PPG player for nearly 30 games now I believe.

  103. Captain Morgan says:

    Coach – Ha, sorry, had to do it. Sorry, wasn’t trying to bring it down with a stupid NHL 07 trade suggestion, just making the point these young guys may make some of the old guard obsolete, though Horcoff won’t be one of them!

  104. PunjabiOil says:

    Jason Arnott (93-94) 78gp, 33-35-68

    Hopefully Gagner doesn’t top out early like Arnott did.

    No reason to believe it will happen.

    Though that being said, what was the deal with Arnott?

  105. Dennis says:

    The funny thing is that you can no longer trust Moreau no matter how much you like him. And while Horc would fit in just fine with this speedy and skilled club– and Torres would add some grit and dirt — Souray is so ill-fitted that it’s not even sensible.

    We don’t need him for the PP so the only way we can get any use out of him is if he’s a shutdown D and he kills penalties.

    No way he can do the first.

  106. jon k says:

    Gagner really is gold on the PP. His getting regular time on the PP somehow magically corresponded to when it started to click.

    Granted it can’t all be attributed to him. I think in large part the PP becomes more successful with Gagner because he gives an option for Hemsky to pass to, and be confident in knowing the play won’t die on his stick or be a one timer.

  107. Lowetide says:

    PDO: Without looking it up I’m pretty certain Kurri’s number is the Oiler rookie record (assists).

  108. Coach pb9617 says:

    Captain – what I wouldn’t give to trade Souray for Commodore…

  109. Dennis says:

    LT: before we say Pouliot’s arrived, let’s remember he tricked us last Feb;)

  110. Lowetide says:

    Dennis: Oh yeah, agreed. :-) I have to say though that he looked like a guy who wanted to stay in the big leagues tonight. Lots of nice plays and plenty of try, made one of those nifty passes and then manned up on the Staios hit.

    But he needs to do it again Thursday, agreed.

  111. Slipper says:

    Arnott has been a guy who seems always to be hampered by atleast one nagging injury per season. Otherwise, what’s not to like about him?

    25 goals, 67 points and plus 16 this season.

  112. PunjabiOil says:

    Slipper – he didn’t build upon his numbers. He’s been close to a PPG player some years (not so in others), but I guess he didn’t really progress from his numbers in his rookie season.

  113. jon k says:

    Just for interest’s sake, here are some PP numbers for the season so far:

    7.29 PPP/60

    5.52 PPP/60

    8.17 PPP/60

    I used Kovalev since he’s currently the league leader in PPP.

    Thoughts? Hemsky is having a fantastic year on the PP. Gagner is likely indicating that his bread and butter is going to be on the PP, likely his whole career, and eventually will cost us a lot of money.

  114. Slipper says:

    Who’s MAP competing against for a full-time job?

    Whoever that is, MAP has to outperform them over the next little stretch.

    I don’t think it’s the slot Stortini or GlenX are placed in right now. Like it or not, I don’t think MAP has the skillset that MacTavish is looking for from those 4th liners. Zack got that job over JFJ because he was willing to bang and get into the scrums.

    MAP has to be better than someone in the top nine, or else he’s still expendable.

  115. garnet says:

    Think Toskala could’ve stopped Stoll’s shot?

  116. HBomb says:

    Who’s MAP competing against for a full-time job?

    Full time job? No one.

    My guess is he’s making a case to be the 13th forward instead of one Marty Reasoner…..

  117. Slipper says:

    OK, I get your point PJO. From a counting stats perspective he nearly plateaued from the get go. He’s had one season in his entire career with over 80GP and he put up 76 points.

    I dunno, he has became a much more complete player after being dealt. Almost immediately, he transformed under Lemaire, albeit he played with some pretty good players in Jersey. If anyone recalls Arnott’s last half season as an Oiler, it was fucking awful. 35GP 18PTS -16. He never went on to become a world beater, but he became a decent and reliable second option at center.

    I liken it to Rick Nash, who has yet to best the 41 goals from his second year, but has obviously improved his overall game and contributions to winning (dude was a -62 his first two years). Sometimes the offence players create right off the bat comes at too great a price at the other end for any coach to allow the player to continue in that style.

  118. PunjabiOil says:

    jonk – where are you getting your numbers from?

    Hemsky heading into tonights game was 5.67 PPP/60 and Gagner was 3.91.

    Did they jump up that much from tonights game?

  119. PunjabiOil says:

    Thoughts? Hemsky is having a fantastic year on the PP. Gagner is likely indicating that his bread and butter is going to be on the PP, likely his whole career, and eventually will cost us a lot of money.

    Sam Gagner has 30 EV points as an 18 year old.

    30 points total would have been good enough, let alone 30 EV points.

    Far, far too premature to state that Gagner will be a one-trick pony in his career. Extrapolation should be used with caution.

  120. jon k says:

    Interesting, I just did a raw calculation from stats page. Used the PPP stat from the power play scoring drop down and then PP TOI from the time on ice drop down.

    I threw it together pretty quickly on a whim so a calculation error is possible, I’ll double check.

  121. Dennis says:

    I gotta say something, here, and it sorta goes along with what Slipper is saying: I don’t think Pouliot can play well enough to make this club for next year.

    Seems strange to say for a guy who watches all of his shifts intently but that 4th line shouldn’t be touched and he can’t break the top six and I don’t think MacT will give him a chance over Stoll or Reasoner.

  122. Coach pb9617 says:

    Going on the assumptions of:

    Penner – Horcoff – Hemsky

    Gagner – Cogs – Nilsson

    xxxxxx – xxxxxx – Pisani

    Glencross – Brodziak – Stortini

    Pouliot is competing with Torres, Moreau, Stoll and Glencross

  123. Slipper says:

    Isn’t the team going to let Marty walk?

    Nilsson is an RFA and GlenX is a UFA aswell, and hell, I easily forget about Moreau still being around. All these 2-3 million dollar forwards clogging up the base paths…

    Nilsson going to finish with a better G-A season than Torres had the season before, and we saw the coin Tico garnered last summer.

  124. jon k says:

    Yeah seems like an error on Gagner’s number. These are the stats updated for tonight’s game, re-done.

    260.05+03:41= 263.46

    192:30+03:36= 195.66

    It is possible they jumped a decent amount tonight, only 3 minutes PP time but 3 points for Hemsky and 2 for Gagner.

  125. PunjabiOil says:

    Good stuff.

    Hemsky’s EV/60 rate is 2.24 while Gagner’s is 1.90.

    Still, I expect Gagner to be a little more dominating 5 on 5 compared to Hemsky.

  126. Slipper says:

    If there isn’t one hell of a fucking veteran center and left winger beside Pisani in that line-up, there’s going to be an overflow of ugly minutes for those top two lines to share.

    Stoll is the epitome of offensive sinkholes, but as far as sacraficing a forward to the tough minutes/situations, he’s been the Oilers hockey Jesus this season.

  127. PunjabiOil says:

    After tonight, Gagner’s EV/60 jumped to 1.94.

  128. Coach pb9617 says:

    Which means that Torres is gone and the 13th forward will be a veteran. There is no room at the inn.

    Penner – Horcoff – Hemsky

    Gagner – Cogs – Nilsson

    Moreau – Stoll – Pisani

    Glencross – Brodziak – Stortini

  129. Asiaoil says:

    coach – looking at that lineup – one can make the case to deal both Stoll and Torres – with their effective replacements being GlenX and MAP. That would probably be a $2.5 million savings in terms of cap space that we could use on defense and to pay the other RFA

    Penner Horcoff Hemsky
    Gagner Cogs Nilsson
    Moreau MAP Pisani
    GlenX Brodziak Stortini

    I think MAP is trying to take Stoll’s job and Stoll is vulnerable. We need some size at center and Souray makes Stoll’s PP skills (limited as they are) pretty redundant. Reasoner comes back as veteran insurance.

    As for MAP – I’ve been saying that we just need to let the kid play and get comfortable – he’ll be fine. The kid has some confidence issues but will be a very nice guy to have around as he could play eventually anywhere on the top 3 lines.

  130. Shawn says:

    Have we really seen enough of Glencross to assume he’s won a job over the likes of Torres?

    I think what we have here is a nice position where there are an overflow of guys who CAN play in the NHL on forward and on D.

    That means you try to put together some package deals to upgrade.

  131. grease trap says:

    It’s a tricky business there…

    Everyone’s keen on trading Stoll but I think he bounces back next year. Everything I’ve heard or read about big concussions indicate it takes about a full year to get back in the saddle.

    Potential of MAP or potential of Stoll from last year before his eggs got scrambled…

    I’d have to bet on Stoll. Besides his PK and faceoffs aren’t exactly useless, are they?

    Keep MAP in the minors until someone gets injured and he’s your first call-up.

  132. Bruce says:

    Well that was fun. Can’t remember the last time we posted a snowman on the big board, but for sure its’ been a very long time since I’ve seen one in person. Very wide open game, lots of action, a few anxious moments in our zone but lots of exciting ones at the Phoenix end. Oilers got 8 and I could probably name you another 8 golden opportunities that easily could have found twine. A lot of the ones that did occurred on special teams, where the Oil dominated 5-1. Three Oilers broke through into double digits, with Gagner, Nilsson and Glencross all posting their 10th of the season.

    A brief review of my live impressions of the Oilers by group:

    35: Not Roli’s best night, beaten twice early and then personally blowing a two-goal lead by allowing a pair of real stinkers that got nerve ends tingling. He did make a number of decent stops and one or two dandies, and responded to the crowd’s chants of “Roli! Roli!” by giving the puck away.

    24-25: Solid night’s work for both, and were rewarded with +3/-0. Didn’t have much to do with those goals, but Staios battled in Staiosian fashion and Pitkanen moved his feet and moved the puck. I wish he’d hit even a little tiny bit — I think he has a total of 1 hit in his last 10 or 15 games — there are times when it is THE play to finish the check, and Joni doesn’t.

    37-77: Gilbert is making a lot of plays up the middle and when they go wrong, they do so spectacularly. He teed some Phoenix guy up for a 25-foot slapshot with one pass gone astray, luckily Roli stopped that blast. Stepped up to score the tying goal on a high shot through traffic just 12 seconds after Phoenix opened the scoring … Grebs had a quiet game, mostly solid, and the +1/-2 result for both was just the bounce of the puck tonight.

    2-5: A quietly solid game, both were +1/-1. Greene plays big in Oilers’ zone and gets in the way a lot (1 HT, 3 BS tonight) … Smid seems to be doing a much better job of covering his man away from the puck. And I hate to read too much into it, but the last four or five games I’m almost getting the impression that Ladi has realized there are two nets on the ice. Tonight was the second time recently I’ve seen him come out of the penalty box, take his temporary role as a forward to heart and made a pretty terrific rush up the ice. And there’s been a glimmer or two of offensive savvy from his normal position at the back. Call it a distant early warning, but it’s not impossible that Smid will eventually blossom into a 15-point defenceman. :)

    12-13-89: In the first 15 seconds of their second shift NGC were +1/-1. That’s how they ended the night although they made an impact on both special teams. Hemsky fed Nilsson on the PP and Row-bear made no mistake snapping it home. Bobby has absolutely sick hands, made two plays to take pucks out of the air that made me gasp … Cogliano, who has an exceptional first step, made a nice play to feed Brodziak for a shortie, he telegraphed the pass but the way they executed the play left Tellqvist little chance … And Gagner had two more first assists sandwiching a goal of his own in a first star performance. Since snapping out of a 13-game pointless swoon in mid-January, Sam has racked up 7-22-29 in 26 GP in a run every bit as impressive as anything his old linemate Patrick Kane has done.

    19-34-83: After the Oilers were burned for an early GA with the Minus Touch line of 16-27-83 all out of position and reaching for the puck, MacT seemed to have seen enough, and swapped 83 for 78. Hemsky had an odd game tonight, he was the only Oiler besides Staios to not muster a single shot on goal, had 3 giveways and ended the night -1. Yet on the powerplay he was dynamite, notching 3 assists in under 4 minutes, including a couple of dandy feeds. Not sure I would’ve picked Ales second star based on his body of work tonight, especially when a couple of deserving foot soldiers got overlooked … Reasoner and Pisani were in chase mode much of the night but were mostly solid.

    16-27-78: The feature performer in this unit tonight was Pouliot, who had a very impressive game. Attempted 6 shots on net, (although just 1 got through), landed a couple hits, and generally impressed with his speed, rangy puck control, and plain old try, all of which were MIA in October. I didn’t mind at all him stepping up when Staios took a high hit, it was well worth the two minutes and the PK unit saw to it that he wouldn’t get burned for that. Marc has had a pretty good showing in these games, is starting to relax with the puck and show what he can do. He made a sweet play to set up GlenX for a goal during a shift change, also made a nice feed to Stoll with predictable results … Penner had a pretty solid night other than on the Doan goal; but he was involved on Gagner’s PP goal in an uncredited role, screening Bryzgalov to the point he couldn’t track the rebound; then scored the winner midway through the third on a nifty tick-tack-toe play. Dustin is a big part of the reason the powerplay is ticking along. He also had a strong night working the boards … Stoll impressed me with his intensity tonight, esp. on the PK where he maintains a very active stick. Scored a memorable empty netter, which is as good as it gets for Stoll these days. No offence, Jarret, but I’m going to start calling you No Offence Jarret.

    20-46-51: These guys are a force. Tonight they all played around 10 minutes at evens with Brodziak getting another 5 on the PK. Collectively they attempted 17 shots on goal with 10 of those getting through and 3 of them lighting the lamp. After getting burned with an undeserved minus very late in the second when Roli kicked out a bad rebound and then lost his shortside post, these guys didn’t hang their heads. Rather than shorten his bench as he might have done in years past, MacT hung with them and they rewarded him with a dominant third period. If I read the play-by-play correctly, the line had a Corsi rating of +14 just in the third period!! Four shifts totalling about three and a half minutes, 14 attempted shots for, 0 against. How do you like them apples, Vic? For sure the Crosstiniaks were all over the Coyotes like a sweat, and the ‘yotes kept coughing the puck to them … GlenX was exceptional tonight, attempting 10 shots all by himself, and winding up with 6 shots on goal, 4 hits and 2 goals, leading both teams in all three categories. According to the play-by-play, at one point Glencurtis had a hit, a shot, a takeaway, and another shot within 8 seconds. He was a buzzsaw out there, and was first star with a bullet in my books. … And Brodz was #2 with a shorthanded goal, an assist, and a tidy +3 Twice I mused he had been caught out on the ice too long, and both times he shut me up by getting involved in a goal … Compared to those guys Stortini had a relatively quiet game but impressed me with his excellent positional play and the way he moves his legs on the backcheck.

    Even with another big win tonight the playoffs still seem like a pipe dream, but the team just keeps rolling along. 4 wins, a loss, 3 wins, a loss, 3 more wins. It’s contagious, and the many youngsters on the team are clearly enjoying the process. I feel more optimistic about the Oilers’ future than I have in many moons.

  133. ClaytonMagnet says:

    shawn said – “Have we really seen enough of Glencross to assume he’s won a job over the likes of Torres?”

    GlenX has shown up for every single Oilers game he’s played, in terms of physical play and hustle. Torres disappears for 20 game stretches. I’m sold.

    For number-lovers; this website tracks teams exact chances for making the playoffs, including how each conference game affects their chances.

    By virtue of their win, and the Preds and Flames losing, the Oilers’ chances of making it sit at 17.6%. If they win out, not only are they guaranteed a playoff spot, but they have a 46% chance of winning the division… A 6-2-0 record gives them around 60% chance of making it.

  134. ClaytonMagnet says:

    …oh, and the Oil are at true .500 for the first time since Game 4 of the season. Regardless of how the season ends, this has been a pretty remarkable run.

  135. Lowetide says:

    Bruce: Great summary.

    Dennis: I think there is a way for Pouliot to make the club and that’s by signing a one-way deal for $750k or so. It might be a decision made between he and Marty but we don’t know what the future holds and at the very least these games may increase his value enough to be able to get some traction with his next team.

    Encouraging night for him.

  136. Devin says:

    LT- with Brodziak signing that 1-way 500k/2 deal I can’t see how Pouliot can argue for any more dollars. I’m thinking more like 600k/2 for Marc. Lowe needs to start making smart, cheap, buys at the end of his roster or come RFA time Sam and Andy are going to tear this team apart.

  137. Bruce says:

    the Oilers’ chances of making it sit at 17.6%.

    I love how that number keeps rising as the number of games remaining keeps shrinking. Wasn’t that number < 5% a couple weeks ago?

    GlenX has shown up for every single Oilers game he’s played, in terms of physical play and hustle. Torres disappears for 20 game stretches. I’m sold.

    Me too, Claytonmagnet. Hard to believe Lowe picked him up halfway through his rookie season for parts. (Nothing against Tarnstrom, but he was done here at the end of the season for sure, and probably wouldn’t have played a lot down the stretch.) I’m not delusional about GlenX’s upside — he’s 25 after all — but I’ve seen nothing to suggest that this guy is anything but a very useful piece of the puzzle going forward. For all that I’ve been ecstatic about Stortini’s progress, it was GlenX’s insertion on the line that transformed it from a hold-the-fort unit to a crash-and-bang-in- their-zone-get-the-puck-to-the-net-and-see-what-happens group. I can tell you from in-person observation that Phoenix wanted absolutely nothing to do with these guys by the third period last night.

  138. Alice says:

    I think Asia’s on the right track here:
    Penner Horcoff Hemsky
    Gagner Cogs Nilsson
    Moreau MAP Pisani
    GlenX Brodziak Stortini

    I think MAP is trying to take Stoll’s job and Stoll is vulnerable.
    < <<
    But I have a hard time dealing Stoll in the summer. First, we’re not sure what we’re selling, second, no one’s going to ante up anything until he shows again as an asset. Is it possible to put him in the A next fall, see if he gets some confidence and his game back? If it doesn’t come, you haven’t lost anything you haven’t lost already. One of he/Reasoner/MAP is too many, but maybe that call could be made next January. If they’re firing right now with Jarret in and Horc out, reversing that in the fall I don’t see the urgency for the many-4-one deal.

  139. HBomb says:

    I really don’t think evaluating GlenX against Torres.

    Curtis G has a place on this team. The debate at some point is going to come down to Torres vs. Moreau for the 3LW spot.

    And for all the fawning over Moreau’s intangibles and shitting on Torres due to consistency issues, I’d go with Torres. Younger, better toolkit, more offensive upside, and most important….more durable. Worth the extra 250K a year in cap hit for the next two seasons.

    Torres-Cogliano-Pisani as a superior 3rd line, Penner-Gagner-Nilsson chewing up soft minutes, and Moreau/Stoll/Schremp packaged in some combination to try and get an Alex Frolov-type for the Horcoff-Hemsky line.

    But that’s just me and my fantasy-world….

  140. Alice says:

    I like Cogs for that 3rd line too, that’s the right play if someone gets parachuted into the top 6. His speed and opportunistic sniping, SH work, it’s a good fit. And MAP as 13th man becomes a good fit too as he can slot in at either RW and C as needed.

  141. Coach pb9617 says:

    Have we really seen enough of Glencross to assume he’s won a job over the likes of Torres?

    I said in a previous thread that it comes down to role. Do you want to pay Torres $2.4 million to play 3rd and 4th line minutes, or do you want to pay Glencross $800k to play those same minutes?

    Now, I’d certainly pay Torres $2.4 million to log those minutes rather than Moreau at $1.75 million, but as has already been discussed, Moreau has negative trade value and he’s the serving captain.

  142. Coach pb9617 says:

    coach – looking at that lineup – one can make the case to deal both Stoll and Torres – with their effective replacements being GlenX and MAP. That would probably be a $2.5 million savings in terms of cap space that we could use on defense and to pay the other RFA

    I’ve got not problems there — the 14th forward had better be skilled…

  143. Bruce says:

    As I wrote at the bottom of my (late) gamenight thread:

    the team just keeps rolling along. 4 wins, a loss, 3 wins, a loss, 3 more wins. It’s contagious, and the many youngsters on the team are clearly enjoying the process.

    I think it should also be said that the veterans are enjoying the process too. Those guys deserve a lot of credit for stopping the losing streaks at one game, something we couldn’t do earlier this season. Steve Staios had a lot to say about that after both the Nashville and Colorado blowouts, and deserves more credit than he’s gotten IMO.

    Those futurists on the ‘sphere that have Staios, Ethan Moreau, Marty Reasoner, and Fernando Pisani on the same bus out of town have to remember that this isn’t Strat-O-Matic hockey or Intellivision or whatever the fuck the simulated flavour of the week is now. You don’t build a team on probabilistic Corsi numbers, either. You build it around a large nucleus of young developing players and a smaller core of good character veterans. There will be attrition of course (e.g. Smith and Smyth) but the veteran core is replenished internally by maturing prime players (Horcoff, Hemsky, Stoll, Torres) to maintain the balance. And you want as many guys as possible all across the roster to have an Oiler tattoo on their ass.

    Appearances often to the contrary, I think there really is A Plan.

  144. Mr DeBakey says:

    this isn’t Strat-O-Matic hockey or Intellivision or whatever the fuck the simulated flavour of the week is now.

    I think Strat-O-Matic & Intellivision were a couple of weeks ago. Maybe a month.

    Talk about an oxymoron -

  145. Dennis says:

    Bruce: I’m ready to kick Moreau and Reasoner out of town but I’m all for holding on to 24 and 34, though. I would hope that Pisani comes cheap for his next contract though. He’s up at 2010 and that’s the first year we’ll absolutely have to start paying both 13 and 89; 34 would be a good guy to build a bottom six around but we’re not gonna have fuckall money to give him for his troubles.

    LT: I’m really not ready to believe that the Oilers bring back 78 over 19. I’ve always thought 78 could make his paper playing in place of 51 or 46 but that becomes less and less probable with every passing game. Sure, 78′s upside bests that of either the aforementioned 4th liners but he’s only got 8 games left to show he can bring his A game from the ‘A” to the NHL. Even though he’s starting to show he has some chops, ie four points in 8 games and +2 in terms of Desjardins since the recall, I don’t hold out much hope for him going forward.

    I would say the best thing about last night’s game is that even though I can see the holes and where the bodies are buried and might still rest come ’09 — notably the EV play — I can’t wait until tomorrow night’s game against Van and much like how today at the gym I rediscovered just how good GnR’s “Nighttrain is”, I had forgotten how much fun it was to watch a team that will trade chances and can win doing so.

    HB: I totally agree with you, the debate should be 14 vs 18. I just can’t see how anyone would ever have faith in Moreau’s health ever again but apparently being a captain lends a more forgiving air to his fragility.

  146. Dennis says:

    BTW, this has gotten no play as of yet and it probably will tomorrow, but, tomorrow night’s game has playoff implications but has everyone forgotten the LAST time these guys met?

    Matt Cooke’s not around but the Oilers should try and run the Canucks right out of the fucking building.

  147. Bruce says:

    I think Strat-O-Matic & Intellivision were a couple of weeks ago. Maybe a month.

    Uh, yeah, Mr. D. It ain’t Rotisserie League hockey either or even EA Sports, but the point has been the same forever; we in the virtual hot stove have to remember these are flesh-and-blood humans, not probability machines. No doubt some of the team-building decisions are based on personality and attitude and chemistry and lots of factors that we only see from a distance if at all.

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